Chasing Thoughts | S013 E09: Special Guest - Soul of Jaret

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What is my next challenge in daring to be human?
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How do I connect with life?
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How can I let go of my need for fixed answers in favor of aliveness?
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How do I live free from the experiences that shaped me?
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How can we be the change the world needs right now?
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Join us weekly for Stony Conversations about Life.
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It is our mission to allow life itself to reveal to us the answers.
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Welcome to Chessie Thoughts.
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Hey everybody, I am not used to doing the intros because Mindy always does them.
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So go back to an older episode and watch Mindy's intro.
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But I am doing it today because I have my buddy coming out here, Jared.
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Since I started this whole journey of making these changes in my life, I have come across
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three people that have become part of a tribe for me.
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My friend Danielle and me and Mindy met over TikTok randomly and started Chasing Thoughts
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and now my buddy Jared who has been teaching me all about plant medicine, shamanism and
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we are going to be taking a trip in December to experience that in person.
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My dog is excited about this episode too.
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So dude, welcome man.
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Thank you.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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Thank you for the lovely intro.
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I am honored to be part of your soul squad, Keith.
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This is my first time meeting Mindy and it's very lovely to be here.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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Yeah, I just want to say I am a fan as well.
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Keith and I talked about your videos for a long time before I think you reached out to
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you.
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But it's really beautiful to see somebody using this new technology and this new way of being,
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right?
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Influencer, YouTube, social media to bring more consciousness and spirituality to the
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world.
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And every time I see somebody doing that work, I just want to jump up and down.
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That is freaking exciting.
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Yeah, thank you.
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I appreciate it.
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And yeah, it's a crazy, really crazy like realm to try and navigate.
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What?
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Doing it or making it happen and to the best of my ability.
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Yeah.
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Well, I know you want to start telling us a little bit about plant medicine and stuff
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and Keith has some questions for you.
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I have some questions about that too.
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Like the balance of how you, you know, go from sort of one world to another and keep
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presence.
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And so it's going to be a fun exploration today.
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Yeah.
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Hey, listen, I have no agenda.
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Whatever you guys want to get into for your listeners and for yourself, I'm open for it.
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Whatever you guys have to throw my way.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, it's cool too.
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Because like we've been talking about with our guests, like trying to just have that open
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conversation and just letting everything flow and allow the conversation to take the direction
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that dictates.
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So this is going to be cool, man.
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You're going to be like the best person to do this with for the first time, man.
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Amazing.
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Do you normally have guests on or is it normally you guys?
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So we started just the two of us and then we started having guests and the feeling just
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didn't feel quite right to Keith and I because what's exciting for us and I'm sure you'll
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understand what I mean when I say this is letting the space itself or consciousness or whatever
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this stuff is out here.
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We've itself into the conversation and bring wisdom that neither one of us had or our guest,
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right?
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Like truth arising from people gathered in the presence of truth.
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Yes, I love that.
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Opening the portal.
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Yeah.
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And so we stopped having guests because we're like, we're not opening it.
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Like we opened the portal with each other, but we're not opening the portal with guests.
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Like we got to figure this out a little bit.
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So kind of massaging it.
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So now we're going back into having guests with this new way of like, okay, we understand
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the portal more.
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How can we hold space for that portal and really have the kind of conversations that
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we want to.
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Amazing.
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Amazing.
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I'm stoked to get into it.
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Yeah.
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So tell us a little bit about just your journey with plant medicine, your first trip, kind
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of how it started for you.
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Well, yeah, I'll give you the short rundown.
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I am from this little tiny farm town in Ohio and, you know, I had no idea who I was.
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I felt invisible.
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I didn't resonate with anything or anyone.
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So I got into bodybuilding and started using steroids.
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And so at 19 years old, I was 240 pounds sticking needles in my chest every day.
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You know, that's where I found myself.
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And by the grace of God, when I was 20, my friend introduced me to LSD and long story
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short, after years of dedicating myself to bodybuilding, my only focus, six meals a day,
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spending four hours a day, spending every dime I earned on steroids, took a small dose
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of LSD, hung out at Ohio State campus in Columbus, woke and I swear I woke up the next day.
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Not only did I never touch steroids again, but I never thought about it.
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And I also never went back to the gym.
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Like, I literally just did a complete 180 in my life.
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And I became a real estate agent and started eating a lot of mushrooms.
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And you know, then I discovered Wim Hof and I learned how to meditate and, you know, and
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then I learned about grounding, you know, the story goes on.
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But that was really my big moment was, was I was a bodybuilder and had a short bleach
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blonde hair, big neck and everything.
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I had a nose ring and took LSD for the first time and it was just like, oh, fuck.
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Like, pretty small dose too, but it changed my entire life.
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So yeah, that's super cool.
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I love experiences like that when life itself, you know, sort of goes, okay, we're going
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this way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, thank God, really, thank God and thank God for LSD, you know, like these days, you
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know, I'm, I'm working with what I would consider much more alive, potent, powerful
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plant spirits like Wachuma, ayahuasca, the mushrooms, right?
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LSD is a great tool, but it lacks spirit.
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Right.
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It lacks that it lack, like there's not necessarily like an entity behind it.
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You know, it's like this, it's kind of a blank canvas, which it definitely has its place.
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And I love LSD.
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Some of the best days of my life were on like one or two tabs of LSD, like, you know, the
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best day of your life, right?
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But the work I'm doing now, I just, I can't imagine taking it anytime soon, but I don't
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advocate against it.
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I think it's a phenomenal tool.
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So where is that?
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Oh, sorry, go ahead, Mindy.
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I was just thinking, you know, where you're at right now, what do you currently think
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sort of your mission or purpose or job?
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Like what are you leaning into in this moment, where your path is?
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Well, I don't know how long you guys have been following me, but this year I have produced
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significantly less content.
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Like the amount of content I've put out on Instagram this year is like what I was putting
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out monthly.
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And during that time, so I've been, you know, just really going within doing a lot of personal
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stuff and really where it's led me is to the point where I now, I've been, all right, to
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answer your question, the retreats, bringing people to like enough talking about it, enough
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talking about, because when we talk about this stuff, we're just dancing around the truth.
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Like you can never actually, like we're, we're lying.
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I'm lying.
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But like just by talking about this stuff in general, you will never actually hit it.
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You'll never actually hit it.
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It's something that must be experienced.
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So, and I'm coming back into, you know, podcasting and all of that, but really this year for
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me has been a lot of inner work, a lot of silence, a lot of cleaning my own heart and
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a lot of working with great teachers and very powerful medicines to get me to the point where
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I'm able to be useful in these ceremonies and not just sitting over there watching the
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shaman do his thing, the poor, I'm actually able to be useful and to help in the ceremony
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and play music and do the prayers and, you know, help facilitate people through their
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process.
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Right.
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Like I wouldn't have, I've been wanting to do this for years, but I wouldn't have been
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ready.
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Like some of this stuff that I mean it, and we can get into it.
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Like I, I've been a part of like actual exorcisms, full blown exorcisms where people's neck
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and head are literally coming up off the floor and we're releasing spirits and it's very
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intense.
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Right.
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So, these services are necessary for me if I'm going to be doing this work, you know,
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so this year has been a huge learning year for me, you know, for the last few years,
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I felt like I had a lot to say.
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And then this year I've just been like, God, I have nothing to say.
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I am just observing and learning and absorbing the teachings from the medicine, from my teachers,
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et cetera.
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So my, where my heart and energy is, is in these retreats.
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I just moved into this house in Ohio, near my family, which is lovely.
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I'm looking out at Lake Erie.
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It's wonderful.
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And between here and Mexico, here and Mexico, that is, that is all I'm doing for the foreseeable
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next six months, 12 months, whatever.
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That's all I'm focused on right now.
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Yeah, that, that journey of going in, I think is like the most terrifying, courageous thing
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that I do in my life.
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And I think when people hear someone say something like you just did, the whole picture isn't
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clear.
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Like I imagine that this has been difficult work where you're really hitting your comfort
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zone and you're doing things that scare you and you're fearing what you're going to find
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in yourself.
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Like, can you speak a little bit more to like the difficult parts of choosing to devote
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yourself to a season of personal growth?
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So what I've found and just a preface for your audience, like I'm not an expert in anything,
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not degrade in anything.
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This is all just my own experience.
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Just want to put that out there.
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But what I've found is the situations in our lives are very purposeful.
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They're very karmic, right?
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And we spend a lot of time running from them, avoiding them, making excuses for them, being
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a victim.
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And I think really what the internal process is like, there's this like great way of looking
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at it.
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I love like the only way out is through.
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So that's really what it comes down to.
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And that's going to look different for every single person, but everybody listening has
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certain things in their life that are very triggering for them.
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That they don't like whether it's a relationship with a family member or your relationship with
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your children or your career or some soul ambition that's been calling you that you've
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been shunning away.
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It's like leaning into the discomfort in a lot of ways.
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And then coming out on the other side, liberated and changed and completed.
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But this is something I just put out a podcast with my friend, Evan, the other day.
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And something we were talking about was how in our culture in America, we're very confused
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on what awakening is.
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We have this idea that awakening is all about like, highness and light and love.
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And that's a part of it.
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But the shaman knows that that's only one part of it, right?
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The lower realms, the darkness, there's so much teachings here and there's so much to
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be integrated there.
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You don't want to feed the darkness, but you must observe your darkness and take note
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of what's going on in there.
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Because then you're not a whole person.
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You're like one half of the yin-yang symbol.
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You're just like one half.
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And there is no light without the darkness.
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So your light can't actually last.
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And it can't actually, because everybody who like, like in 2020, you know, like that was
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like a period of like, highness, light, love, that's amazing.
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But a lot of people take that and then they think that they have, like that that is going
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to give them the energy and the power to go heal or help others heal.
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And it, you crumble light, you fold like a cheap chair because the light isn't real,
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but light isn't real unless the darkness has been integrated first.
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So, oh my God, dude, yeah.
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You know, like there's no, there's no, there's no, you know, it's like that Carl Jung quote,
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like a tree's branches can only reach the heavens if its roots have first reached the
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depths of hell.
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It's that kind of idea.
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It's like your, your, your tree is going to blow over in the first storm.
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If those roots aren't fucking deep, you know?
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And then once you look at all, it's not as scary as we like fear is more so like fear
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of the unknown.
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But you know, I, in my experience, like, you know, people watching people like have really
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strong medicine and purge and have exorcism and all like, they're like, they're relieved
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afterwards.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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It's not like, it's not like they go through the darkness and they come out on the other
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side like in misery.
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You're relieved.
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It's relieving.
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It's, there's liberation in your shit.
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So that's what the process has been.
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You know, it's just like leaning into all of, all of the shit, all of the shit I was avoiding,
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all of the shit that was triggering, like our triggers are our teachers.
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Like if it triggers you, there's a reason.
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And so just leaning into a lot of that stuff and, you know, taking, yeah.
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I think what you're doing is so beautiful.
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It's interesting.
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So I was a personal trainer at one point.
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People with their bodies.
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And then I started to realize without like the mental emotional component, like this
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isn't going anywhere.
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So then I got certified as a coach and I worked with people as a coach.
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But now I'm kind of at the place where I'm like, even this isn't it.
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It's the experience.
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It's the depth.
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It's the spiritual stuff.
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So my own journey has sort of followed this journey of what you're talking about, sort
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of chasing what is it that I have to be in relationship with inside of myself and how
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do I build that relationship so that I know how to be consciousness and human form on this
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planet, right?
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And help other people do the same.
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And so I think it's so cool what you're doing and how you're preparing yourself first so
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that you can be somebody's guide, right?
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You're like, okay, we're going to go down the dark tunnel.
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Like I'm right here with you and we'll be here on the other side.
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And that's important work, especially right now.
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I think it's like where we are as humanity and how we're going to involve next or not
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evolve.
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We will see.
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I have hope, but we have a lot of cleaning to do of our own selves, which is why I'm
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going, I mean, listen, there's much better ways to make money.
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I built this social media management empire.
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I could just be doing that.
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But the conviction in my heart to do these retreats monthly is just so strong.
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And so that's what we're doing.
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I'm so stoked you're coming, Keith.
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It's gonna be fucking awesome.
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So is that gonna be your first one that you're going on, Keith?
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Or have you done that before?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Me, my first one.
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And honestly, like it was sort of, I have like a similar feeling to this is when I joined
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the military, you know, like as I was going flying down a fort bending, I was like, what
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the hell am I doing?
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Like you guys, you guys were personal trainers.
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I took, I took the opposite path, you know, like I was, I was like part of the Burger King
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fan club, like when I was 19, dude, you know, so or 17.
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So I went in this little roly-poly dude and just like, what, what am I doing?
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And every once in a while, it'll cross my mind.
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Like I'm, I'm going to the Yucatan to work with this Mayan guy who's, who's connected
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through time, you know, with shamanism and then also a very educated dude, you know what
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I mean?
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And, and I'm like, what the hell am I doing?
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Like this is not me, dude.
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That's why, that's why I was like, I'm private bungalow.
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Yep, that's me.
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I need that.
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Like I got to run and hide every once in a while.
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Yeah, fair enough, dude.
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I mean, we're going to be doing some deep work, but I mean, as you know and feel you're
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in amazing hands, Arturo is a true wizard.
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And like, I just love him.
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He's one of the most important human beings in my entire life.
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Like on my five most like most important people in my life, you know, he's one of them.
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And like, I trust him with my life with my, I would leave my family, children with him.
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You know, it's that kind of vibe.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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And that's that, I mean, that connection.
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Can you talk about that connection a little bit?
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Like how important that is, right?
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Because he comes from like a line of.
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So Arturo, so Arturo is not fully indigenous, but he has spent his entire life born and raised
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in the Yucatan Peninsula amongst like people who do not even speak English, who like only
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speak Mayan, like people who like are born in caves that don't even have a social security
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card or anything.
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Like, but simultaneously, this is a guy who is a degreed engineer and botanist who speaks
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five different languages fluently.
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So Arturo is a, I mean, he's an actual, they call him El Mago, the magician.
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Like he is an actual wizard.
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You know, this guy speaks my ancestry's native tongue that I don't even speak German, you
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know, he knows everything about my ancestry that I don't even know about.
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And this is a Mexican dude, you know, like he, he's, he's, I can't say enough about
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him.
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And if anybody here wants a taste of Arturo, he very graciously, he's a very private person,
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but he very graciously sat down with me for almost three hours on my podcast recently.
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So that's available.
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If anybody wants to go listen to.
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We have to link in the show notes, because I think that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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I think my, just my YouTube channel and you can go to the podcast section and you'll see
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it.
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It's recent.
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It was like less than two weeks ago.
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And yeah, he gets into everything, the Mayan culture and medicine and just everything in
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between history and very, very special, very special individuals.
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So if anybody's looking for a very great safe place to come drink really potent medicine,
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this is the plot, the spot.
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Yeah, and this, and this isn't going to be like we're heading to a resort, you know,
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overlooking the ocean.
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So after like the ceremony, I can go lay on the beach and work on my tan.
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Right.
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Yes.
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It's going to be a little different.
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We've got it.
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We've made it.
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So it's like just comfortable enough.
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You know, like, like these bungalows that you booked, you know, like these bungalows
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have AC in them.
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I have never, one time in the Yucatan Peninsula have I had AC, you know, so it's, you know,
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and they're not overly fancy, but they have, we're going to be, it's a level of comfort
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that's like good.
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It's, it's, it's not too much.
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It's going to test you.
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And also you're not going to feel just totally like fucking destroyed either because they're
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very integrative retreats.
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You know, that was something that Arturo really stressed to me.
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He's like, Jettet, we cannot have retreats for consumers.
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Like we need to empower them.
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We need to empower them.
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Like, and so that's why we build because Arturo, now learn to make all his own medicine, all
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of his own furniture.
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He makes all of his own instruments from scratch with native materials from the land, like,
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like harps, drums, guitars, everything, you know, so part of the retreats is we build
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these shamanic drums, we go in these caves that have like Mayan hand paintings and cenotes
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that are on private land.
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The public doesn't have access to these, let alone know about them, but Arturo has spent
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his entire life.
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I mean, this is a guy who, he takes two weeks out of his life, you know, every here and
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there and just goes to all these little tiny Mayan villages and just goes and keeps his
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relationship with the Mayan elders and goes and shows his respects and brings them gifts
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and buys them beer, you know, and, you know, like, you know, just keeping relationships
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with all these Mayan elders.
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Because when he's not shamaning, he's a tour guide, like a private tour guide.
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And that's how I met him because he, he works with this massive YouTuber, Fearless and Far.
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I don't know if you guys have seen him, the bald dude who like hunts baboons in Africa
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and shit.
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And so I had him on my podcast back in December at his house in Mexico, and he invited me
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out into the jungle, which is where I met Arturo.
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And like Arturo like works for like, you know, he works with like news, like, like, you know,
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TV channels and everything.
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Like he's really like the best tour guide in the peninsula easily, right.
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And so we just have access to, and not only access, but like the wisdom and knowledge,
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he knows, like wherever we go, Keith, he's going to be pointing out every, the plants,
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the rock structures, what it's used for, how they use this, why that's there, you know,
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just like that kind of vibe, you know, it's, so it's really special.
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Yeah.
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We don't have to talk about my retreats for too long, but I am excited about it.
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Oh yeah.
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Dude, like even like all that, this is the reason why, like I decided like where I'm
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going and it was weird too.
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Cause like, you know, for, for me, trying to like build my thing now, like, you know,
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money is, is very tight, you know, and me and me and Sandy were talking, we set like
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a price cap, you know, and it came in just at that.
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So when I sat down with Sandy, I told her and she's like, well, you have to, you like,
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it's just, it's, it's going to happen, you know, that your wife was so supportive in
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that way.
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That's amazing.
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And you know, like we, I made these retreats as inexpensive as humanly possible.
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Like, I mean, you, I see crazy shit, you know, three days for six grand.
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And you know, and you're with, you're just with some like dude, you know, and it's like,
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so we tried to like really, and you know, our tarot is, Janet, we have to give so much
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to these people so much more than they could ever imagine.
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We have to just give, give, give.
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We have to make it the best week of their life, you know, like that's the kind of energy
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of our retreat.
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So anybody that I'll send you guys a link, you can link it here or go to my Instagram
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bio and, and there'll be more info there.
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I want to make the, like, especially like the link for, for like the trips, because I think
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this is so important, you know, for people that are in, in this position, looking for
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something like that.
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Yeah.
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I'm curious if you have any plans, like, I know you have a community and stuff, but
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as your retreats start getting more popular and you do more and more of them, is there
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like an aftercare element or an aftercare community that you're hoping to build as well?
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Yes, Arturo, that was one of Arturo's, uh, uh, how would you call it, um, rules.
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I think we have, and I agree.
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I mean, it's not like I was advocating against that.
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That's something that he also was like, we have to take care of people afterwards.
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So we're actually planning part two retreats for later next year where we actually take
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people into the forest to like survive.
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Right.
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Like, and it's.
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Oh my God, dude.
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Yeah, yeah, which is going to be gnarly, but, but outside of that, yeah, I mean, we're going
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to be having like telegram group chats and zoom catch ups and things like that.
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Like, like I'm already doing that.
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Um, like with my, you know, my group that I recently took to Oaxaca to have mushroom
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ceremonies with Maria Sabina's grandson Bernardino.
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I've already talked to all of those people, you know, like privately to, you know, I'm
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just, I'm just here for like whatever.
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That's really my role in it.
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You know, like these retreats, the essence of them is Arturo.
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Like everything Arturo has been working on in silence for the last two decades is what
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is being showcased here.
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And I, as Arturo's disciple and as a, as a patron of the medicine, you know, my job
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is I'm really leaning into like my emotional people management communication skills.
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Right.
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And my job is to like be here for the people that are coming to do this and in whatever
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capacity they need.
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So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of aftercare zoom calls, group chats and literally like
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obviously you have to set boundaries.
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You have to that kind of thing, but pretty much unlimited access to me.
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Like if you need me, I'll be there for you.
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I can't promise I'll be the jump on the phone with you right away.
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But like I'm there for anybody who comes to these retreats that needs me.
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I'm there for them.
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Beautiful.
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Yeah.
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How your whole journey impacted like your most personal relationships.
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I believe you have a wife, a daughter, your parents, right?
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The people closest to you, how have they gone on this journey with you?
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Because it's a big journey you're taking.
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And that means your people have to sort of come along in some form or see themselves
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reflected in something they do like or don't like.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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What's that been for you?
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Well, I have the most amazing, we're not like technically married, but I call her my wife.
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But Mackenzie is like the most legendary woman ever from the moment we met.
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We have been on this journey together.
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Like our literally the second or third day of us ever meeting, we took a huge dose of
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mushrooms together and like, and from the first day we met, we were waking up in the
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morning and doing Wim Hof breath work and getting in cold water.
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Like this has been the foundation of our relationship.
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We got together back in 2020.
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And that's literally been the foundation of our relationship.
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So she's been on the whole ride with me, like her and our daughter.
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I mean, they've been all over the world with me.
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My little two year old was just down in Peru in Wachuma ceremonies.
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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:39,840
You know, not drinking Wachuma, but you know, sitting on the Shaman's lap and playing her
470
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Maraca and you know, so my family's just integrated into it, you know, in that regard.
471
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,000
And then, and then I guess as far as like my parents and that kind of thing, I mean,
472
00:29:52,000 --> 00:30:02,280
they don't, I wouldn't say they understand it, but they do respect it.
473
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:09,800
They, they at first, they did not understand or respect, but as it's grown and, you know,
474
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:20,400
like as silly as it is, external accomplishments really help the older generation.
475
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Like it validates you in a way, you know, like, you know, like my friend, Mike Corey,
476
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,800
who, you know, he's got this huge YouTube channel, right?
477
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:35,640
But I'm sure him winning the Emmy and beating Zac Efron and Martha Stewart, even though
478
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,440
that's meaningless and actually nobody gives a fuck.
479
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,800
He gets hundreds of millions of views on YouTube every month and that has made hundreds of
480
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,800
thousands of dollars from YouTube.
481
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040
It may be millions, I don't know.
482
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,600
I'm sure the Emmy for his like grandparents was like the pinnacle, right?
483
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Even though for him it's like whatever.
484
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:03,840
And so for me, like when my YouTube channel blew up and all this stuff, like it changed
485
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:11,480
the dynamic and the fact that I'm, you know, 26 with a family and I've never asked my parents
486
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,160
for money one time, you know, that's, you know, I've been doing all this crazy shit
487
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,360
and never called them like, Hey, like I need help.
488
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Like, so they respect whatever I'm up to.
489
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,840
I don't know.
490
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,400
I don't really know in their mind what it, what they think I'm up to, but they can feel
491
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,320
that they do have respect for the work I do, even though they don't quite know all about
492
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320
it.
493
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,640
And I'm sure it will, it'll get deeper with them, you know, we'll like, I have visions
494
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,960
of, you know, my dad, you know, having a mushroom ceremony, like it's all in the works.
495
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,920
I'll never force it, but there's a lot of times my parents are young.
496
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:58,320
They're in their 40s, you know, like we, there's, there's a long road ahead.
497
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,400
I think that's so beautiful the way you said, you know, you don't have to understand somebody.
498
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,400
In fact, a lot of times it's hard to understand somebody else to love them and respect them
499
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,640
and be happy for them.
500
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,160
You know, I think a lot of people get confused about that.
501
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,200
So I love the way that you said that.
502
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:23,240
And I think with each generation, you hope that your kid is more evolved, right?
503
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,200
Hopefully someday your daughter is going to be challenging you in ways that you can't
504
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,560
understand her and you're being pushed past your comfort zone, because that, that's how
505
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,280
we're evolving as a species is becoming more and more conscious these generations, right?
506
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,200
So that means your parents did a good job with you, that you're challenging them and
507
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,000
their level of consciousness.
508
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Definitely.
509
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,520
And yeah, I have, I have, I was raised by amazing people, you know, like, are we, are
510
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,120
they into what I'm into?
511
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,120
No.
512
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,920
They're, they're, they're hearts, their values, them as people, like wonderful people, my
513
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,600
parents, my grandparents, all of them, they're, they're awesome.
514
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Yeah.
515
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Do you feel like since you have so massively changed your vibration, for lack of a better
516
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,240
way to say it, that you're attracting different and that you've been able to build this life
517
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:19,360
because you're resonating with like new energies that are more in alignment with your path?
518
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Yeah.
519
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:29,640
I mean, like, you know, there was a time in my life, just not that long ago, like four
520
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:40,200
or five years ago where I didn't have a single friend, like now one, you know, like, because
521
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,840
that's just a necessary stage sometimes in, in one's evolution, especially for me as a
522
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:54,560
young guy at that time, you know, 21, 22, like starting over, essentially feeling like
523
00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,560
I was being reborn and like still in my small town, I just, I just didn't have any friends,
524
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,560
right?
525
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,720
And now I look around it at my friend group and my connections and I'm just, I'm like
526
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,720
amazed.
527
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:15,720
I'm like so thankful, you know, that, yeah, I mean, to answer your question, yeah, I mean,
528
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:23,760
but I think where people get hung up is I see it all the time is like people begin to
529
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:31,780
awaken, but the grip of like old friendships, old relationships, worrying about what those
530
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:37,140
people think about you, what they're going to say about you, it, it, it, it, it kills
531
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:39,040
people for lack of a better word.
532
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:45,760
I think it really does it, it, it keeps your soul in a box in a lot of ways.
533
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,240
And that's why for me, a huge part of my journey was just getting the hell out of dodge and
534
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:56,760
living in a fucking tent with like door dashing for a living, like me and McKenzie, like we
535
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,480
literally did this, like we broke our lease, we were living in Cleveland.
536
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Our only source of income was door dashing Instacart.
537
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,320
We tried to get a van, tried to get a loan for a van, just wasn't working.
538
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,640
We were going to do van life, but we made a covenant commitment to each other that when
539
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,360
this certain month rolled around, if we didn't have the van, we were getting in that Lexis
540
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,360
with a tent and we were getting the fuck out of here.
541
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,520
And that's what we did.
542
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,040
And that was best decision I ever made.
543
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Yeah, I think the universe rewards that kind of leaping.
544
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Yes, 100%.
545
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,480
Yeah, I've always seen it for myself and for people that I've witnessed, it's always a
546
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,760
positive when someone leaps like that and really takes on something of faith.
547
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Yeah, and there's always challenges and like, you know, this is like the hero's journey,
548
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
you know, quote unquote.
549
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,680
And it's like, there's plenty of adversaries and challenges and darkness along that path,
550
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:10,400
but the depth of your soul and your reason, like your why and your, it all that energy,
551
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:17,160
just it'll carry you through anything, but we don't understand our power until we have
552
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,320
to test it.
553
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:26,400
You know, like if we're just in our comfortable, you know, same routine we've been in going
554
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,560
to our job and hanging out with the same people and staying in the same vibration and never
555
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,160
having to like have your character tested, right?
556
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Like that's where you, that's where you find it.
557
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,560
That's where you find it within yourself.
558
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:50,200
And so many people in our country have never embarked on a journey like that, you know,
559
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,880
like even Keith, you as a very young man joining the military.
560
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,720
I mean, that's something like that right there is a huge fucking journey into the abyss,
561
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,880
into the unknown.
562
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,960
But bro, we live in a world where like so many young men will literally just from, from
563
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:18,080
the age of eight years old till maybe death, video games, porn, the same little vibration,
564
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,680
this like little, this stuck vibrate, never going on a journey, you know, staying in their
565
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,680
same town.
566
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
And it's not that you got to leave, even leave your town.
567
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,640
I'm not saying that necessarily.
568
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:37,720
I'm just saying like, and it's like, like as a man too, like as a, as a male mammal,
569
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:45,240
like you got to look at, you got to remember, like we've only been this for a little bit,
570
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:50,480
whatever we are now, we've only been this for like the blink of an eye, like with lights
571
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:57,200
and microphones and shit and like soap, you know, this is like only like a, this is like
572
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:05,440
the blink of an eye in terms of what we are, you know, so you got to, you got to honor
573
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:12,120
your biology, you know, that is like, you know, and I don't think you should be like
574
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,240
a slave to your biology, right, or a victim to your biology, like, you know, I'm sure
575
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:23,600
Keith can, can agree, like if, if we, if we just let our biology make decisions for us,
576
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,440
we would probably just be like, we'd probably have a hundred children, you know, or something
577
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,360
like that with, with a hundred different women, right?
578
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,160
If we were like only, you know, letting our biology, you know, guide us, but I think it's
579
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,320
important to honor your biology, right?
580
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Like have an understanding of it, like, oh, okay, like I am designed to be in a tribal
581
00:38:47,040 --> 00:39:00,280
situation and if we were in a tribal situation, I would be a, as a man, as a like a big, like
582
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,040
able bodied strong man, like I would be a leader of the tribe, right?
583
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:12,800
And I would, and I would be going to war and I would be organizing armies and like making
584
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,520
medicine and like, or whatever, maybe I was the town shaman or whatever, right?
585
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,400
But like, there's all these different elements of being human that we've just kind of like
586
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,480
thrown away where we're just, and we've, we've created like a very sterile situation that's
587
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,880
death to the human spirit.
588
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Yes.
589
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,240
Dude, there's, there's this dude named Sebastian Younger.
590
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:44,920
He's a journalist and he wrote a book called war and it became a documentary called Restrepo,
591
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:53,400
which is, to me, it's just so eye opening to what these kids go through, you know, in
592
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,400
war.
593
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,800
But he wrote after that whole experience, he wrote another book later on called tribes.
594
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,680
And one of his theories is that you take a platoon and you put them in a location where
595
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,680
they are, they are basically cut off from everybody, you know, food comes in at certain
596
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:19,120
points and stuff, but it is, you're with the same small group of dudes and, and you're within
597
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,800
arms reach, you know, pretty much at all times.
598
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:32,600
So his theory is that one of the issues with, with PTSD is we're living for a, for a time
599
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:41,320
or these guys are living for a time as we did for the majority of human existence.
600
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,320
And that, and you're doing that for a long time where life is just about survival.
601
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,000
You know, all this, all the other bullshit of, you know, do I got to get, I got to put
602
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,360
gas in my car or, you know, like, I'm out here because my neighbors do and work on their
603
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,400
house, you know, like, and at first it's like annoying, all that stuff just disappears
604
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,880
because we're living back in those tribes, you know, and then there's such a hard, it's
605
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:15,080
almost like a memory from our DNA and like a grief from our DNA of what we're missing.
606
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Yeah.
607
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:21,320
And then you come back to America, right, where you're in your house and you're, there's
608
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,040
no tribe, no community, no brothers around, and you're here, you know, asked to as a man,
609
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,040
right?
610
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,240
Now you got to take care of your family and you're whatever your work is, you're working
611
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,160
to take care of your family and your house and all this stuff.
612
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:44,440
And you're just completely alone and broken in terms of that, that element that you need.
613
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,600
And that's a really great point, Keith, and I'm sure for like, for those guys who are
614
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,880
actually in war, it is on a whole other level that I could never even imagine.
615
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,120
But if you even zoom out and just look at us like as a species, how, how, how much that's
616
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,040
affected us and, and fucked us up, you know, like Terrence McKenna worded it one time along
617
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:11,840
the way of like, we have been thrust from the guy in womb and thrown into the chaos
618
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,840
of history.
619
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:23,880
You know, like we've lost this family, tribal, connected kind of energy, you know, we have
620
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:31,040
no connection to the land, to our food, to our, to the, to the table that we're, our
621
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,040
devices sitting on, right?
622
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Like, you know, just very like literally like a hundred years ago, like you couldn't have
623
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:46,160
something unless you made it or grew it, or you knew the person who made or grew it.
624
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,920
And now with the Amazon, you know, just ordering things and everything's quick and fast food.
625
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,680
And it's, I mean, there's, listen, I mean, this is a big, it's a very big problem that
626
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,680
we are going to have to unpack and face.
627
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:10,280
But I have a feeling that it's kind of like, you know, like the idea of like something
628
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,320
will fall as quickly as it was built.
629
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,320
You know what I mean?
630
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,320
I feel like there's an issue that will pop like a balloon and fall instantly once enough
631
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,120
people like not only awaken to it, but then act on it.
632
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,120
You know what I mean?
633
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,240
And we have to be smart.
634
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:34,000
We have to wait for the right time to act because the system is falling apart.
635
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Like the darkness, like it's over, but the darkness, which controls our external world,
636
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,200
like our physical world is completely controlled by evil and darkness.
637
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Like that's just, it is what it is.
638
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,560
It's true.
639
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,160
But like the planet, the cosmos, right?
640
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,200
You can't fuck with this energy.
641
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,640
This is not controlled by the darkness.
642
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:06,580
Only our tax and political and, you know, the big companies and this shit, right?
643
00:44:06,580 --> 00:44:13,120
But as quickly as it was built, which we're literally looking at like a hundred year period,
644
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,120
it will fall.
645
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:21,840
I feel, I feel like it's, I feel like it will crumble and we'll be right back to, you know,
646
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,720
that homeostasis of tribe and love and connectedness.
647
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,360
Like we're certainly heading in that direction.
648
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Like Terrence McKenna would word it like we're in the birth canal right now of a new species
649
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,560
of human being.
650
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:44,360
And if you were to just walk in on a birth without any context to what's happening, it
651
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,000
looks like death.
652
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Yeah.
653
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,600
It's, you'd think something is terribly wrong, you know?
654
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:59,920
And if you're assigned to that same token, we have been stuck in the middle of a birth
655
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:07,360
canal, which think about it, like the walls are closing in life as you knew it is no more.
656
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,880
The, you're fucking coming into these lights and you're like screaming, like this is a
657
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,880
baby.
658
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:20,000
This is what a baby experiences coming out of the womb and into the 3D world, right?
659
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,760
And so we are collectively in that birth canal.
660
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:34,960
And so all we have to do is not panic and not feed the darkness, like extract ourselves
661
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,840
from the darkness, align ourselves with the light, with God, with nature, with the great
662
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:48,240
spirits, whatever spirits you want to align yourself with, Jesus and San Pedro or Buddha
663
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,040
or Ganesh and Krishna.
664
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:59,240
I mean, I mean, whatever the medicine, whatever, but you gotta, you gotta align with something,
665
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,600
with the light, with the good, because I feel like part of the process is you have to like
666
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,160
decondition, deprogram a lot of the shit.
667
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,880
But then that's a dangerous place to be in because then you're like very open, you know?
668
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:20,920
And so I think it's important to have, I was just telling like a younger guy this the other
669
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:27,360
day, like pray to something, to someone.
670
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,240
It doesn't have to be indoctrinated.
671
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,800
It doesn't have to be, I know we were all hurt by Christianity, most of us.
672
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,960
And our trust was broken with these types of things.
673
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:44,360
But the spirit of Jesus, the spirit of all of these characters and these saints, it's
674
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,360
real.
675
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,440
It is real.
676
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,440
I felt it.
677
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,000
I've seen it.
678
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,120
It's real.
679
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:59,920
The way it's packaged to us is manipulated and controlled and demented and designed to
680
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,080
extract our soul from us, our life force, our love, our money, our humanity.
681
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,400
It's very evil.
682
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,520
And I know we're getting into deep water here, but you know, this is, love it, dude.
683
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,720
This is where we're at.
684
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:17,720
This is where we're at.
685
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:24,520
So, you know, and that's why the medicine is so important because it's one thing to like
686
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,400
think about these things.
687
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,920
It's another thing to really like experience it on the deepest level.
688
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Like I've had experiences like in Iowa, where I have seen and felt evil in a way that I
689
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:51,200
could, could have never like capitulated in my mind, you know, of like what evil was,
690
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:57,960
but like seeing it and feeling it in like fully.
691
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,960
And same with the light.
692
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Same with like, like to that same token.
693
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:11,040
I was just in, uh, Wautla working with the mushroom shamans there, having like the most
694
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:19,080
beautiful sacred connections with, with these spirits and with, with the light and with
695
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:26,920
love and with, you know, that Christ consciousness, like really feeling that like on a deep level,
696
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,520
you know, so that's why the medicine is so important is because like we as human beings
697
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,960
are so, I'm careful with my words, right?
698
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:42,440
As we should be, but it is, I think it's a delusion of reality to call the human species
699
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,080
anything other than sick and confused.
700
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,200
And we're sick because we've been, we're being poisoned.
701
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,200
Yes.
702
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,080
We're being poisoned.
703
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:57,040
So like a bit, like something Arturo has really ingrained in my head is like, bro, you have,
704
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:04,560
you cannot feed the darkness in any capacity, you know, and, and everybody's version of
705
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:11,200
feeding the darkness is different for some people that might be politicking for some
706
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:18,160
people that might be drinking alcohol, that might be masturbation, it might be anger, it
707
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,920
might be whatever it is.
708
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,800
Like we all have different versions of like our version of feeding the darkness.
709
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,800
And so, you know, that's like a big, an important point to make, like you have to align with
710
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,640
the light and then also not see the darkness because then you get confused and you see
711
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,400
a lot of this, I'm sure you guys see it like in this whole like quote unquote spiritual,
712
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,080
psychedelic community, like there's a lot of people very confused who have like one
713
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:51,720
foot in and one foot out, you know, and that's like a really like, that's like, that's like
714
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:59,280
a worse place to be than like all in on darkness or, or light, like it really like it's, it's
715
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,000
like a worse place to be, it's confusing, it's painful, and you're open to these dark
716
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:11,000
energies, manipulating you, sucking you dry, these like vampiric energies, right?
717
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:19,800
If you're not like all in on your devotion to, to truth and light and, and goodness.
718
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Yeah, I found like through, through my, my whole journey that there is, there are so
719
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,760
many people out there that maybe even their intention is good, but it's still the same
720
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,920
thing, it's still more of just sucking things from, from you, you know, where it's, I've,
721
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,320
I've been through this, so therefore this is the way.
722
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,960
If you do it any other way, you're wrong.
723
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,400
This is it.
724
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Just listen to me.
725
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,320
It's like, nobody can fix me.
726
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,400
I'm the only one can.
727
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,680
I can find advice.
728
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,800
I can find guidance.
729
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,000
I can find teachers, mentors, you know, but I'm the one that has to do the work, even
730
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,880
just listening to all the advice.
731
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,560
Like you said, like you get one foot in, one foot out, you know, talking about the Christ
732
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,560
consciousness.
733
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,280
That's one of the things that, that, that Jesus talked about was being lukewarm.
734
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,640
You know, like in the Bible, he said, I would rather spew you out of my mouth if you're
735
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,320
just lukewarm, having one foot in, one foot out.
736
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,320
Yeah.
737
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
You know, and for me, this is, it's so funny.
738
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,880
We keep talking about this darkness.
739
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:26,000
You know, the other day I was, you know, when we leave, we, we, we, we like treat our dog
740
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,280
better than we treated our kids.
741
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,360
Our kids are like, or like, dude, dog has more toys than we have.
742
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,800
You know, so when we leave, we, we leave like Disney movies on for, because, you know, like,
743
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,440
so she can have like some, some, some company.
744
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,120
And I was putting on, was it monsters university or something?
745
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,480
And, and I realized like, we always talk about our monsters and our demons, you know, and
746
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,600
we can have those demons and those demons can be something from like a Stephen King novel,
747
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,280
you know, but those same monsters can also be something from monsters, Inc.
748
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,040
You know, this cute cuddly thing.
749
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Like, so one of my intentions, because I feel a block, I feel things in my head, but I don't
750
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000
feel them in my heart.
751
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
What do we have?
752
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,800
Like something like 39,000 brain cells within our heart, you know, and I want to break through
753
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,040
that block.
754
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,640
And almost, and I don't know, maybe it's, it's wrong to think of it this way, but almost
755
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,040
like fall in love with the darkness to see it for what it is.
756
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,080
Like in physics, they talk about at the moment of creation, like the Big Bang, whatever you
757
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:36,960
want to like name it as, there was a release of matter and antimatter, you know, and if
758
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,040
it was a 50 50 split, the universe wouldn't exist.
759
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,000
It would cancel itself out.
760
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,480
You know, there was just a little bit more matter than the antimatter, you know, but
761
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,560
the antimatter is, is just as important because without it, again, the universe wouldn't exist.
762
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Yeah.
763
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,720
And that's why you're coming in December, Keith.
764
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:04,680
I would see even in my, I was like, that block you're talking about that disconnect.
765
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:11,240
I mean, this medicine is going to blow that door open.
766
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,600
That's what, that was one of my big questions about that, you know, because we, and we talked
767
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,720
about this when we did that, the call where you're explaining it to me.
768
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,120
And you had mentioned like mushrooms help you.
769
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,320
I want, I want to say mushrooms like help you see, but it doesn't really kind of get
770
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,800
you to that point.
771
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,800
Well, what I said was, and, and I am a devotee of the mushroom.
772
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,040
Let's, let's not get it confused.
773
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,200
But, and this is a nuanced thing.
774
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:50,400
There's exceptions, but the way I've been wording it is mushrooms make you not asleep.
775
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,400
Yes.
776
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,400
Yes.
777
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,520
Ayahuasca awakens you.
778
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Like there are levels to awakening, right?
779
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Like it's one thing to like realize, okay, the pharmaceutical industry is fucked.
780
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,360
The food system is fucked.
781
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,560
Like I'm not my body, right?
782
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,760
Like these are all like, you're not asleep.
783
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,760
Right?
784
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:16,200
Like you're like seeing, but like this medicine, I can't even explain it.
785
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Like words do zero justice.
786
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:24,680
Like it, it will, it, it, it, it cleans you.
787
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:33,360
Like it's like a, like, you know, like Arturo tells me, you know, he's like his, his teacher
788
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,880
tells him like, um,
789
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,000
there is no revolution.
790
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,320
There's no political change.
791
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,720
There's no nothing like that.
792
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:55,320
Art humanity will heal when every single person simply cleans their own heart.
793
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,760
Simply cleans their own heart that will remove all of the issues.
794
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,200
It's the cleaning of the individual heart.
795
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:11,320
And that is what this medicine specializes in, you know, in a way that, uh, listen, I
796
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:18,000
think you could go your whole life with just mushrooms and, and have a, and, and, and get
797
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,400
to a good place.
798
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,840
But the fact that this medicine exists and notice I'm saying this medicine, like ayahuasca
799
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:32,040
is amazing medicine, but like this one, I can't remember if it was the podcast I did
800
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,880
right before this, but did we?
801
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,520
I don't know if we touched on like the difference, but this, this ayahuasca that you're coming
802
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,640
to drink Keith is very special.
803
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,720
Like very, very, very special.
804
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:46,720
It, it.
805
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:47,720
Yeah.
806
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,360
Talked about a little bit where there's only the four people like in the world that, that
807
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
use this particular recipe.
808
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:54,560
Yeah.
809
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,680
Listen, I mean, there's hundreds of different ways to cook ayahuasca.
810
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Like just for your, for your audience, quick rundown.
811
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,360
The ayahuasca brew, it's made with a combination of plants.
812
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,960
It's not just one plant.
813
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:11,360
So every pretty much everything in nature contains DMT, dimethyl tryptamine.
814
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,760
It's a neurotransmitter.
815
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,360
It's in our own brain, our own body, and it's in like every plant, some in higher concentrations
816
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,360
than others.
817
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,860
Right.
818
00:56:20,860 --> 00:56:26,880
But if we were to just go pick the most DMT rich plant, like the Chakruna leaf, for example,
819
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,560
which is what they use in the Amazon, the Chakruna leaf, super rich.
820
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,200
It's like all DMT.
821
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,320
If we were to grab a bunch of those and eat them, absolutely nothing would happen because
822
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,400
we have an enzyme in our gut called a mono antioxidized inhibitor, which breaks down
823
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,160
the DMT instantly and doesn't allow us to have the experience of it.
824
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:52,960
But when it's combined with the ayahuasca vine, so ayahuasca is a vine and it's, it's
825
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,520
a scientific name is banisteriopsis capi.
826
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,440
And ayahuasca has a few different translations.
827
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,480
My favorite of which being the little death.
828
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:11,280
And so, so, so people call it the vine of souls, but I much prefer the little death.
829
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,960
That's like what the deep like tight shawmans, like that's what they know it as the little
830
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,040
death.
831
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:24,480
But anyway, so normally like in a, in a brew of ayahuasca, you have like the Chakruna leaf,
832
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,800
the ayahuasca vine, and maybe the shaman puts in like one or two other plants, right?
833
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:37,920
This brew here has like 14 different plants in it and it creates this crazy synergy and
834
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,120
these plants.
835
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,240
So it has like your classic ayahuasca plants, ayahuasca vine and everything, but it has
836
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:51,480
a bunch of these plants that the Maya shamans used in ceremony and for healing purposes in
837
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,040
it, blended in it.
838
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,120
And so our Turro's teacher taught it to him.
839
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,880
And so literally only a couple of people in the whole planet like actually make this or
840
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,080
know how to make it.
841
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,640
And it's very special and it's very different.
842
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,280
You know, like when I first drank it, I, I literally came there straight from Peru.
843
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Like I was in Peru drinking with this like master dude from the middle of the jungle
844
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:23,560
been, been doing this for 45 years, got attacked and got, got his leg ripped off by an alligator
845
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:29,000
by a caiman when he was 12 and started drinking medicine and dieting from that day on.
846
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,240
And this guy's like in his sixties, right?
847
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Master, right?
848
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:40,960
And I, but I got to just be real that ayahuasca and those experiences don't hold a candle
849
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:48,520
to what goes down at this, at our Turro's temple in the, not even fucking close.
850
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Like, like, like there's so many differences, but like, for example, like the stuff in Peru
851
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,400
was black sludge, right?
852
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,480
And you drink it and like, yes, it's not that it's bad medicine, but like, for example,
853
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,360
like I would be sleeping before the ceremony even closed sometimes.
854
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,440
Like three hours in, I'm asleep.
855
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,120
This stuff, you don't sleep until noon the next day.
856
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:21,400
Like it literally awakens you in every way possible.
857
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Like to where you're watching the sun come up, just getting flooded with wisdom and like
858
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:33,400
realizations and like, I mean, it is just, it is so special and so profound.
859
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:40,440
And so that's why I'm at the point where I'm like, there's no, there's no words left,
860
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,120
you know, like people, please just come here.
861
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:51,760
And experience it so we can clean our hearts and we can like move on because there's so
862
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,760
much pain and sickness amongst our people.
863
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,200
And we are the powerhouse of the world, America.
864
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,960
And we are the unexamined ego of the world.
865
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,480
We're like the 11 year old.
866
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:10,640
We're like, we're like, we're like the richest person on the planet that's 11 years old and
867
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,320
has like no humbleness at all.
868
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,280
Like that's America.
869
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,600
And we are seeping our poison, like the poisons in our own people are receiving the poison.
870
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,320
And then American poison is also being seeped all over the country.
871
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,040
I mean, I've been to remote villages in Laos, remote mountains in Mexico and the Americanization
872
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:36,200
is everywhere, but in more, in less concentration than others.
873
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,960
And so we're very blessed and I'm very grateful to Arturo and to Bernardino and to these
874
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,560
different shamans I work with into the communities and to their families for even allowing us
875
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:54,320
to come to their sacred land in Mexico and have these experiences.
876
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,440
Mexico to me is like the most sacred area on our entire planet.
877
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,600
And if Mexico falls, we are fucked like spiritually.
878
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,120
They are holding it together spiritually for like our entire planet.
879
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:16,120
You know, it's so, it's so funny, like I was just seeing there's like the travel advisories
880
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:23,320
to Mexico, like that constant of all the violence there, you know, all that sort of stuff.
881
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,040
But contrary, like it's kind of goes contradictory to what like what you're talking about though.
882
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,960
Like, I mean, just that spiritual.
883
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,960
Yes.
884
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,960
Holding it together spiritually.
885
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:38,960
Well, Keith, listen, bro, this is how this is the thing is the darkness.
886
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,000
This runs America.
887
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,880
And so they plot.
888
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,600
They don't want us going to make they want us to hate Mexico.
889
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,920
Mexico to what I've realized.
890
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,120
Mexico is the shadow of the US.
891
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:01,040
Everything that we're scared to look at with like how we started this podcast, all of that
892
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,840
work is represented in Mexico and in the people.
893
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:13,760
All of the everything that we're that we've pushed away within ourselves love family,
894
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:20,360
community, respect for the land, respect for our religion or our spiritual beliefs, whatever
895
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,080
it is, respect is the big one.
896
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,760
We have zero.
897
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,400
We don't respect ourselves.
898
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,200
We don't respect our ancestry, our land.
899
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,560
And so all of these values are alive.
900
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,720
Oh, and well in Mexico.
901
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:39,960
And don't get me wrong.
902
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Like we were just talking about this on the podcast with Arturo year by year.
903
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,000
It's getting worse with the Americanization.
904
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:53,360
And by the way, just let me just like I love America and everything that the foundations
905
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,920
of this country was built on.
906
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:02,160
American people are the sweetest, very smart people, like very smart people.
907
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,520
The problem is we're being poisoned and confused, right?
908
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,480
But America's lovely people, but we've lost touch with our ancestry.
909
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,440
This is a massive issue.
910
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Like like people in Asia that I've spent time with their Mexico, they know what 12 generations
911
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,440
ago we're doing.
912
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Yep.
913
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,360
We don't know what two generations ago we're doing.
914
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,680
I asked like I asked my grandparents the other day, like where are your grandparents
915
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:35,000
from, I don't know, maybe Germany or something like, wow, like really?
916
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,720
You don't know.
917
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,520
You know, this like really, this like sticks out to me as like a major issue.
918
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,000
Because if you don't know where you come from, you don't know where you're going.
919
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,080
You don't know who you are.
920
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,360
You don't know what your people stood for.
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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,760
What kind of, and it's not that you have to live in the past and you're in the, in like,
922
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,640
you know, in that, but it's like, you know, you could come from like this long, long,
923
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:08,040
long lineage of, of, you know, warriors or teachers or wizards, right?
924
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:14,760
And like you're pursuing some other path because societies told you that that's what you need
925
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,400
to do and you feel lost and confused.
926
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,200
When in reality, if you could just study, because we all know history repeats itself.
927
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:27,600
And if you could just study, okay, what were my grandfathers and their grandfathers, what
928
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:33,080
were they doing, maybe I can lean into that and I can find a lot of purpose and a lot
929
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,880
of success in, in these areas.
930
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:47,720
You know, my, my mother's, let's see, my grandmother married a guy named, I think his
931
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,720
name, John Rial.
932
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:56,000
I think I met him once, but Rial and Italian, they come from Southern Italy.
933
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,520
And my grandmother told me once that Rial, I don't know if it's like Italian or something
934
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:06,920
like with Sicily or something, but anyways, where they came from, the name means royalty.
935
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:14,040
So back generations ago, I could have been from like a Royal Italian family.
936
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,040
Right.
937
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:20,640
You know, and then today I see myself as worthless, you know, like what royalty have we ever seen
938
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,280
that walks around like, I suck.
939
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,520
I'm, I'm worth it.
940
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,640
You know, but yeah, I mean, the past gives us the foundation from which we can build
941
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,840
our future on.
942
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,120
And there was, I mean, this was the thing that started me on this journey.
943
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:37,320
And me and Mindy talked about it a lot, but this, this model for a rite of passage that,
944
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,240
that these anthropologists came up with in this, this one anthropologist, Victor Turner
945
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,160
said that when you start to see countries become more industrialized, you see them move
946
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:52,280
away from rites of passage, you know, that a lot of these, you know, other countries
947
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,600
that we would say third world, you know, the kids still go through these, these rite, rite
948
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,600
of passage models that, that they all have.
949
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,880
And he said, the more you do that, the more we're going to have a mental health crisis
950
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,280
in this country.
951
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:12,840
And look, and we, what, and, and from looking at history, we can understand that the sickness
952
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,840
that we have as Americans, this parasite, this American parasite, this like dominator,
953
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,520
conqueror, more bigger, I'm the best, I'm never wrong.
954
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,440
This, all of this was inherited from the Roman Empire.
955
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,440
Yeah, yeah.
956
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:34,440
They are the really like the forefathers of this disease, the Roman Empire.
957
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,760
And you see this, I don't know if you guys see it, but maybe it's in my age range.
958
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:47,560
Guys are like unconsciously obsessed with the Roman Empire, thinking that it was like
959
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,600
a good place to be.
960
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Like the Roman Empire on earth.
961
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,840
Yeah.
962
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,560
99.999% of its population.
963
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,280
Hell on earth.
964
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,160
Very similar to what we're dealing with here.
965
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:06,720
And it's because the leaders were not rooted in any sort of spirituality.
966
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,040
All they cared about was control, which is what, I mean, they had, this is why they had
967
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,640
to kill Jesus.
968
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:19,040
Because the guy was just managing too much consciousness, he was awakening too many people
969
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:26,720
that not only was the only solution to kill him, but then to take all of his teachings
970
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:33,440
and pollute them, manipulate them, and make an entire religion not out of his teachings,
971
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,320
but out of his death.
972
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,160
Because if you can do that, if you can make, because his, his shit was so powerful, they
973
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,160
knew it was going to live on forever.
974
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:50,360
And so they're like, okay, we got to, we got to keep this, we got to control this somehow.
975
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,360
So think about it.
976
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,600
And this is like a sensitive thing that maybe is better reserved for in person conversations.
977
01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:05,480
But I mean, what I just said there, like you take, you take this amazing phenomena, Jesus
978
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:12,280
Christ, right, and everything he stood for, which the first words of the Bible, let there
979
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:19,480
be light, right, everything he stood for, that is not taught in Christianity or church.
980
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:23,220
Very rarely do you even go to church and hear anything about the teachings.
981
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:25,680
It's all about the death.
982
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:33,080
And when you make it about the death, then you instill the lowest vibrations possible,
983
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:40,320
shame, guilt, sorry, fear.
984
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,920
You're Jesus died for you.
985
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,520
So now you have to be guilty and you have to fear hell.
986
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:54,960
And when you're in that vibration, you're so easy to manipulate and control.
987
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,360
You're so easy to manipulate.
988
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,560
And so that's what they did, right?
989
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:06,800
And we're living in like the shadow of that, you know, and that's why you see this mass
990
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:14,480
influx of Americans leading to Central and South America and like seeking shamanism and
991
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:20,920
seeking like real spiritual experiences because we're starving for it.
992
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,680
You know, it's been, it's been ripped from us.
993
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:32,760
It's been twisted like Jesus, this whole story, it's so sacred and like powerful and
994
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:40,800
real, but the way it's been presented to us is like disgusting, evil, demonic.
995
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:47,120
Yeah, it's funny because I'm one of the things that Jesus said is I am the vine.
996
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:52,480
Talking about like that DMT, the vine, you know, with the ayahuasca and it like, yeah.
997
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,320
Yeah, there's a lot to it with all of that.
998
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,480
And maybe that, you know, we, that's something else spend the rest of my life studying and
999
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:06,360
yeah, feeling into and we can maybe do another podcast, you know, next year all about this
1000
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:12,280
or something, but yeah, yeah, I really appreciate you coming on today.
1001
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,520
Such a good conversation.
1002
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,120
I could just go forever.
1003
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:21,120
I am interested in your retreats.
1004
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:27,280
We could probably have a whole nother podcast on the fears and blocks that I have between
1005
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,520
me and going, which could be an interesting conversation.
1006
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,040
I've been trying to peer pressure Mindy and to come and like, you know, all the cool kids
1007
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,800
are doing it, you know, but it worked so far.
1008
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,760
I mean, I am a big like backpacker, traveler, you sleep on dirt.
1009
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,800
So like none of that kind of stuff bothers me at all.
1010
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:55,080
But I'll just say what my biggest fear is and we can leave it.
1011
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:02,400
I am not ready to surrender to whatever I'm told to do.
1012
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:08,320
Like there's still a piece of me that likes my life and likes my business and likes my
1013
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:17,760
and knowing that if I'm told something and it imprints on my soul that that is now what
1014
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:24,520
I go do and there's a part of my ego or self that's not ready to surrender yet.
1015
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,120
And I don't know right now.
1016
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,400
Right now, I guess I'm just sitting with that, right?
1017
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,240
Like in my meditation is like, okay, you're here, buddy.
1018
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:41,080
Like, but until we gain a better relationship, like we're 50 50 right now, right?
1019
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,040
Like him controlling my life or this other piece of me.
1020
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,240
And I think I need to be 51 he needs to be 49 for me to make a choice to actually pay
1021
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,240
the money and go.
1022
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:51,240
I don't know if that makes sense.
1023
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,760
Am I describing that correctly?
1024
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,240
Do you guys know what I'm saying?
1025
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,920
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
1026
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,160
And I think we should have a private conversation.
1027
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,160
Okay, we will.
1028
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,160
I'd appreciate that.
1029
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:08,640
Yeah, we can we can arrange that in the in our little group chat there on Instagram.
1030
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:09,640
Okay, yeah.
1031
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,640
Perfect.
1032
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,640
Well, I like this.
1033
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,120
Thank you guys so much.
1034
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,000
It's another great Friday morning conversation.
1035
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,720
I just love our Friday mornings.
1036
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,120
Oh, yeah, I mean, we're the best.
1037
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,320
Besides soul, a jerk, subscribe to soul a jerk.
1038
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,200
We're like, thank you.
1039
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,800
Now, I think you guys have a great thing going on here.
1040
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,760
I think your guys is I got to really feel and, you know, experience your guys's energy
1041
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,640
and dynamic and I think an awesome thing going on here.
1042
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,800
Just just keep doing it.
1043
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,600
And I'm happy to come come back on anytime.
1044
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,200
I appreciate it, man.
1045
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,200
Thanks very much.
1046
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,360
All right, guys, I'm going to turn off the recording.
1047
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,440
Goodbye, everyone.
1048
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,920
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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,320
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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,440
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01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:06,280
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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,400
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