Prayers that work: Thomas Hale's Insights on Effective Prayer

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And Kerrye.
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Let's turn the page
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Well, we're here with my good
friends, Thomas and Beth Hale.
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Beth probably won't say anything,
but she's here, just so you know.
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And- She's in the room.
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Yes.
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Thomas was my youth pastor when I was
growing up n- and probably have no stories
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to tell about me because I was very quiet.
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Yes you were.
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Yeah.
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My brother you might have a couple
stories on, but I know of some stories
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that he, that he did on youth trips and
stuff, but I don't know that you knew.
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I probably don't know-
Yeah … and I don't want to know.
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It's long time ago.
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I was too little.
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But we, I'm so excited to have you here.
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Um, you've really impacted my
life, so I'm glad that you're here.
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And you are an amazing young woman.
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Well, thank you.
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We love you.
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I love you too.
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We are pretty partial to Kerrye.
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Okay.
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So Thomas, what, what are you
gonna talk to us about today?
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I write books at this season of my life
and it's what I call my legacy season.
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Life is about seasons.
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Mm-hmm.
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And when you get, oh, around 60 or
so,- I believe every person should give
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the last 20% of their lives to legacy.
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Oh, that's really good.
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Yeah.
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What you do in the world is important.
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What you leave to the
world is more important.
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Yeah.
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And so I'm focusing this season of my
life, the last 20% of my life, to legacy.
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And,, I'm writing books and I've al- I've
always been what, uh, they call an early
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adapter, early adopter with technology.
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Mm-hmm.
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I had the first computer, an old IBM 8088.
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That is like complete Greek.
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I do remember that about you.
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I remember IBM but I don't
remember any of the other things.
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Yeah, in 1981.
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Yeah.
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'82, along in there.
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Wow.
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And so as, and I just
grew with the technology.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it has become a major part of my
life throughout all of my life actually.
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My lifetime mentor is Ron Cottle, Dr.
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Ron Cottle.
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Yes.
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And Dr.
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Cottle is a great scholar, and, uh, I
can do in, oh my goodness, I can do in
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just a few hours what his generation
took days- Mm-hmm … to discover-
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Yeah … by reading the books.
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My favorite commentary
is a guy called R.C.H.
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Lenski.
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He's a good, a good old Lutheran
theologian from the 1930s and '40s,
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and, uh, he's absolutely amazing.
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Dr.
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Cottle likes to say that Lenski knows
more Greek than Socrates, and that's
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probably true when you read the guy.
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But I can reference him, and Copilot
can just dig it out of there.
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It just, it absolutely blows my mind.
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Mm-hmm.
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So anyway, so I put together the
books, and this one's called, uh,
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"Why Your Prayers Aren't Working."
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And, you know, in the church we
practice prayer, but I'd say it's
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probably one of the most misunderstood
things of the Christian life.
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Mm-hmm.
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And but, but we teach it.
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We call for prayer meetings, but
yet people are offering sincere
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prayers with real emotion, genuine
desire, and lots of times deep need.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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But those are still often
incomplete, unanswered.
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Uh-
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The results seem delayed or inconsistent
or in some cases absent altogether.
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Yeah.
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And so I raise the question that a lot of
people don't ask, why do so many prayers
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seem to be powerless and unanswered?
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Yeah.
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That's a great question.
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So prayer, I think, as a definition
is simply communication with God.
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Yeah.
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It, it means, um Here it comes.
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The word in, in the
original is prosuchomai.
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Prosuchomai.
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Pro means toward, suchomai
means the desires, the wishes,
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the intention that I have.
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So prayer is simply giving forth
what I desire, what's in my heart
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that I would want God to do for me.
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Yeah.
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I oftentimes ask people in a, in a
prayer line, and we are privileged
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to pray with people, and many times
when they come forward in an altar,
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you know, and they te- and I was
taught this as a young man, ask them
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what they want God to do for them.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's prayer.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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What do you want God to do for you?
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And so in that sense, it's,
it's, it's talking to God.
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When it's not even a question
of whether or not prayer works
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in the sense that does God hear?
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He hears.
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Mm-hmm.
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Or whether his word is true,
because his word is true.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Jesus said this, the words,
they, they're, they're the truth.
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They are true.
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Or whether prayer matters.
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Of course it matters.
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The deeper concern is I want to
understand prayer according to the
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framework that the word of God gives.
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That's what's misunderstood is
the framework or where prayer
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exists or where prayer is made.
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So I start with this hard question,
why do so many prayers not work?
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Yeah.
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And so I try to give some
good biblical answers.
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And so my first one, and you can
jump in at any time or- Okay.
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Yeah … whatever here.
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Don't let me, uh- No, we wanna
hear it … dominate y'all.
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Yeah.
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This is exactly what we do.
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Yeah.
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Um, if we are to…
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Like when, when I was young, no
one ever told me why we pray.
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I was always just told to pray.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Or that we have Saturday night prayer
meeting every Saturday night, and I'm
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telling you, we get in there, I go off in
the corner somewhere, laying down in the
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corner in a room or something, whatever.
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I'd pray everything I
could possibly think of.
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And I mean- … and then I look at
my watch and it's like 10 minutes.
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Yeah.
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And this is supposed to be
an hour-long prayer meeting.
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Yeah.
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And I'm like, "Ah."
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What, what, what is this about?
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I- I've been there.
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Yep.
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I think we all have.
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Yeah.
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And nobody knew, nobody ever explained
to me why we would pray, what the
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necessity of prayer was, why prayer can
work, and nobody, certainly nobody ever
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talked about why prayer doesn't work.
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Yeah.
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But here's the basis, and,
and this is my first thing
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There are two kingdoms in conflict.
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Mm.
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And if you don't understand that,
then you don't know why we pray
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or why prayer is necessary, why
it works or why it doesn't work.
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'Cause spiritual warfare is
the background of all prayer.
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It's the unseen environment in which every
prayer is answered or unanswered- Hm.
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Yeah … in that setting.
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Yeah.
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So, in, in Genesis, and you, you
all know this, in the beginning
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God created the heavens.
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It's, it's, it's plural.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it signals that there
are realms in the heavens.
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Okay?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That, that's what we can draw from that.
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Now Paul, and I'll jump ahead
for a moment, Paul says he was
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called up to the third heaven.
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Remember that?
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'll give you that exact
verse here in a second.
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Um, yeah, Corinthians, 2 Corinthians 12:2,
Paul's called up into the third heaven.
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Okay.
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The word is tritos, third.
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It's a derivative.
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A derivative means it's
derived from something.
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So third is derived from second.
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Yeah.
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Follow me?
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so this is not just
allegory or illustration.
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Right.
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There are three of them.
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Okay.
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Right.
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And that's pretty solid theologically.
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Not everybody believes that.
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Yeah.
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But I take that literal, that,
that there- I think it's time to
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start taking the Bible literally.
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Yep.
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We talked about it … three heavens.
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Three heavens.
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Well, the first heaven, of course, is
the visible- Mm-hmm … where we live.
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Right.
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The sky, the earth,
everybody that dwells in it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Sun, moon, stars, everything that I
see and experience with my five senses.
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Mm-hmm.
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The natural world.
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So this is where we live.
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Now, surrounding us is this second heaven.
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The scripture uses the word ouranos for
that, and that c- that just simply means
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heavens Yeah Okay?
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It's unseen.
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I cannot experience it with my natural
senses, but yet it enfolds all of
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the first heaven in which I live.
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Okay.
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I'm surrounded by that- Yeah … realm.
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Yeah.
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You've been in services where people
say there are angels in the room.
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Well, that's no joke.
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Yeah.
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There are.
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Right.
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I'll tell you something else, too.
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There are demons in the room, too.
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That's true.
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You know?
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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If there's a demon at the Last Supper
and it entered into Judas- Yep.
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Yeah … I can guarantee you
there's some demons sitting
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in your church services, too.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they are.
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So, but you can't see that.
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So it's, it's where
spiritual realities operate.
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Right.
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Okay?
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So it overlays the physical realm
all around us, and this is the
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domain of two kingdoms, God's
kingdom and the kingdom of darkness.
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Okay.
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And the scripture is
very clear about that.
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You either a son of God or
a daughter of God- Mm-hmm
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or are you a child of the devil?
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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I mean, that's what Paul defines it as.
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So this domain of angels and demons, it's
a battleground where there is a hierarchy
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of authority and structure, and there
are words that, that show that as well.
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Right.
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So just as we inhabit the first
heaven, the principalities, this
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is Paul's word, principalities
and rulers of darkness, they claim
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the second heaven as their domain.
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That's where they operate.
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And, and in America, we
don't recognize that.
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We don't think about that.
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But if I were to say to you, "Hey, I
wanted to come over to and see you today,
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but Satan hindered me and I couldn't make
it," you'd probably think I was crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's exactly what Paul said
to the Thessalonians church.
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And you get all these incredible examples.
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I mean, in 2 Corinthians 4:4,
demons have the ability to
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blind the mind of an unbeliever.
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Yeah.
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And catch this.
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Here's what Jesus said in the
master parable of the Kingdom of
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God, the parable of the sower.
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As soon as that seed hits someone, the
birds, which represent demons- Mm-hmm
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immediately come and
try to snatch it away.
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And they do that, it's
revealed in 2 Corinthians 4:4.
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We, I won't teach it here.
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But it's revealed there because
the demons have the ability to
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influence what is called the noema,
w- the conclusions of your mind.
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It's not just…
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It, it, it…
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They, they can influence what you think.
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Mm-hmm.
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And they will talk you out of it
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They have that ability, and that's
where they-- That's the source of these
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endless thoughts that sometime hit
every one of us, and it's like they
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come like flooding in on you, and you're
thinking this and, "Oh, what about that?
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What about…
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Did you hear what that person said?"
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Mm-hmm.
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All this stuff floods.
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That's noima.
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Yeah.
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And that is demonically energized.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's what they do.
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And so th- Paul will simply use, or
maybe it's Peter, uses the phrase, "The
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demons," it's Paul, "The demons teach."
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That's fascinating.
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Anyway.
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Okay, then so there's a first heaven,
second heaven, and then there's a third
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heaven, which it's the throne room of God.
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So there's all this warfare that
goes on in the second heaven between
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the kingdom of darkness and the
kingdom of light, but in the third
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heaven, that's where the throne is.
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Okay.
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And so when Jesus was
resurrected, guess where he went?
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Third.
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Yeah.
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He's enthroned beside the Father.
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Right.
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He's in the third heaven.
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Now, there's no battlefield there.
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Mm-mm.
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That's, that's the domain.
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So Christ is seated, and the Word
of God says, "Far above every…"
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Now he's gonna describe the demonic
kingdom: principalities, powers,
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dominions and names, and we'll
maybe get to that in a moment.
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So there's no battlefield there.
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It's a place where the finished
work of Christ stands as final And
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many people don't understand that.
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Jesus sat down after he offered
himself on the cross, and when
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you sit down, it's a position of
authority that signifies finality.
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Yeah.
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I'm saved, I'm healed,
I'm delivered, I'm free.
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Sin has no dominion over my life.
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Completely settled.
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Yeah.
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See, and we'll maybe get to this in a,
a minute, but one of the primary reasons
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prayer doesn't work is people don't
know that, and so they're asking God for
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something that he's already done for them.
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Mm-hmm.
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And those prayers don't work.
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Yeah.
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If you're asking God to give you
victory over sin, you're asking amiss
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because he's already done it for you.
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Sin shall not have dominion
over you, Romans 6.
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It's already done.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you're at…
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Check this.
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If you're asking God to
heal you, you're amiss.
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Yeah.
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He healed you 2,000 years ago.
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Yeah.
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Peter will shift into this
phrase in 1 Peter 2:24, "By
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his stripes you were healed."
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Yeah.
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In the original, that is, it's,
first of all, it's in the aorist,
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uh, the, and so that tense, and
that means that is complete.
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Right.
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That is absolutely complete.
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Right.
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It's not pending.
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It's not going to continue.
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It was done.
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It's done.
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Yeah.
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But it's also in past tense, which
means it was done back there.
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I was healed 2,000 years ago.
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Yeah.
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So I don't a- so I don't
ask God to heal me.
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I enforce healing.
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Yeah.
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And we'll get to this in a minute.
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So anyway, uh, there's, so there's three
heavens, and so there's war up there.
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In fact, the whole book of
Revelation is really a picture
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of the ouranos, the heavens.
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You remember what happened, John?
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He's called up into the ouranos,
and he sees all this stuff.
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And then Romans 12, it says, "War
broke out, broke out in heaven."
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I don't understand all this, but
when I was a kid, a guy wrote a
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book called This Present Darkness,
a guy named Frank Peretti.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I could never forget it.
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We enjoy it.
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Or whatever.
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Yeah.
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And then, uh- It's a favorite.
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Yeah.
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And so the, it, you know, it outlays
all these, like, warfare battles- Yeah
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… between the demons and angels stuff.
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It's the most fascinating thing.
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I, I think that when we get to
heaven someday, we're gonna be
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absolutely amazed at what was
happening in the heavenlies- Yeah
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all around us that we did not see.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, both good and bad- Yeah.
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Right … that's there.
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And so, uh, there's war up there, and
every prayer is released into that domain.
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That's where they go.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Every prayer is resisted in that domain.
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See, a lot of people don't understand
that sometimes delay is not a no.
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Right.
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It's demonic resistance.
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Yeah.
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And this stuff is as real, the, the- Yeah
… man, the New Testament, let me see if I…
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Where is that?
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Okay, uh, um,
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we'll get to it.
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So war breaks out, and Paul
describes it in Ephesians 6:12.
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Th- here's, he says, okay, number
one, I mean, listen to what this says.
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"We do not wrestle
against flesh and blood."
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Wrestle, the New Testament
word is pele, pa- pale, pale.
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And, and so anyway, I don't
guarantee, by the way, just for the
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record, I don't guarantee perfect
pronunciation of all the Greek terms.
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It's okay.
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But I do guarantee correct spelling.
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'Cause I know how to find that.
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Yeah.
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And so I really work on the,
on the pronunciation, but,
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you know, there's, who knows?
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I will not guarantee
that in the transcript.
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Just so you know.
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Thank you.
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But pale is wrestling.
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That's close contact That's like
sweating- Yeah … grappling all.
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That's the image.
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And he says, "We're wrestling
not against what we see."
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And this flesh and blood is just a, a
beautiful analogy for the natural world.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's, I mean, people.
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It's, it's us.
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So we're not wrestling against those.
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We're wrestling against what
he calls principalities.
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See, listen to the structure.
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Principalities, powers,
rulers of darkness.
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What?
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There are rulers up there?
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There are authorities up there?
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There are delegations of us- Is that
like principalities is the top, then the
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next one is- Yeah, that kind of stuff
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like is it the lowest?
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Does it go from principalities
is the most and then- Well,
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no, I don't- Is that in order?
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The, the commentators don't really
see necessarily a hierarchy here
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that you start at the top and go
down, but they do see the structure.
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Yeah.
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So like for instance, really if you
were, if I were to say which one's
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probably the top, it's probably the
last one, spiritual host of wickedness
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in the, in the, in the heavenly places.
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Oh, yeah.
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The word is cosmocrator.
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Like the cosmos and the
crator, the ruler of things.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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You know, we get a picture of
this in the Book of Daniel.
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Yeah.
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And so w- and, and we'll
get to that in a moment.
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And so, uh, we wrestle against that.
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Uh, the w- principalities,
the word is arche.
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Now that does, that does mean
chief rulers, first, first in rank.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so there are rank and file in
the kingdom- Yeah … and rank and
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file, of course, in the kingdom
of darkness, which emulates that.
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All right, so there's warfare
up there, and all our prayers
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are released into there.
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Paul calls it, and here's a few examples.
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Paul calls Satan the prince of the
power of the air in Ephesians 2:2.
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So the kingdom of darkness has
structure, rank, strategies, and
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assigned spheres of operation.
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They're out there.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, uh, they're,
they're always around us.
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And the air, of course, is
simply a word that again expli-
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explains kind of the ouranos.
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It's the unseen atmosphere in which
kingdom warfare is taking place.
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And there's two conflicts in king- there
are two kingdoms in conflict up there
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all the time Now Jesus, when he was
exalted, it says he was exalted far above.
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So he's over it.
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It's all been vanquished,
all been legally…
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Everything God does is legal.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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He was legally defeated at the cross.
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Right.
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Anywhere that he operates, it's illegal.
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But the, if the church does not enforce…
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Look, we're not a conquering
army, we're an occupying army.
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We occupy this place.
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Yeah.
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We have to enforce the victory.
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And if we don't enforce
the victory, guess what?
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It remains unenforced, and
the kingdom of God, kingdom of
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darkness will operate everywhere
we fail to enforce it illegally.
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This makes me really sad.
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That's- But I've been praying,
like, you know, like you said,
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it, the things that we can…
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That's already been accomplished, we
can command because it's already ours.
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Yeah.
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But like the other things,
what do you pray for then?
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If you have healing and you have victory,
you just pray for lost souls and like-
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No, everything has to be enforced.
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So basically everything, uh, as long
as it lines up with the word- Yes.
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Yes … we have.
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Yes.
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Wow, what a lot of
wasted hours I've spent.
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So we're just commanding our
troops- Yes … and essentially,
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um, I, I don't know the word for
like disabling the enemy's troops.
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Yeah.
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That's a great word.
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Yeah.
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The, yeah, the New Testament word
is luo, which means to loose it.
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Yeah.
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Remember what Jesus said, "Whatever you
bind-" Right …" that means to forbid,
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and whatever you loose, permit- Right
…" on Earth- Mm-hmm, as it is in heaven
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… will be permitted- Yeah … up there.
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And I tell you, a great translation
of the verse is, is that while you
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are binding and loosing, you will
discover that in the heavens it
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has already been bound and loosed.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because all we do is move in accordance
as a son of God in the Earth with
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the will of God in the Earth.
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Yeah.
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And that's the great strength of prayer.
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The prayers that work are those that
are in alignment with the will of God.
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In other words, and I believe this,
I believe that healing is in the
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atonement, so healing is the will of God.
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I have to enforce healing.
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I have to command it.
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Mm-hmm.
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I have a whole nother book, uh,
called The, The Voice of Command.
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And again, this is the, the language
and this, I'm so-- This is just
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where I was so privileged to be
trained in this manner by Dr.
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Cottle to think, you know, along the
lines of what does the new, what does the
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original, what does the Greek Testament,
New Testament really say about things?
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Because the King James is a translation.
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Right.
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And there's not a single English word
that we have that can accurately tran- One
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single word cannot accurately translate
what's all there in those Greek words.
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Mm-hmm.
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The Greek is the most fascinating
language, and there's a, a marvelous
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reason that it's in that language.
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It's the most crazy thing in the world.
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It can tell you all sorts of things,
nuances about, you know, it doesn't
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just tell you that something's here.
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It can tell you if it comes down from
the top, if it comes up from the bottom,
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if it starts over here and goes through-
Mm-hmm … or if it's inside or if it's
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outside, if it's above, it's under.
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It can tell you whether or not
it's complete or it's not complete.
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It can tell you whether it was
done in the past and it continues
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forward into the present.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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All sorts of things.
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So it's the most fascinating
language in the world.
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So that's what I try to do, is
to get at those, those words so
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that we have an understanding.
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And, uh, so anyway, moving
right along 'cause w- we'll
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never get done if we don't.
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Uh, there's two kingdoms in conflict
and, and I'll hit this in real, uh,
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quickly because, uh, most people are
familiar with Daniel prays, right?
00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:42.950
He prays two prayers 'cause he realizes
that the 70 years of captivity are up,
00:23:43.620 --> 00:23:47.420
and so he starts praying to that end,
starts decreeing and starts declaring it.
00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:50.080
He's, he's binding and loosing
in a sense in the spirit.
00:23:50.810 --> 00:23:54.470
And, uh, the first prayer, the,
the answer comes immediately.
00:23:54.470 --> 00:23:55.460
I mean, like in two minutes.
00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:56.470
It's like a two-minute prayer.
00:23:56.470 --> 00:23:58.000
Boom, he turns around, here's the answer.
00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.420
There's the, there's the angel dude.
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And the next one, it goes 21
days with no, uh, he's nothing.
00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:04.720
21 days.
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Yeah.
00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:10.560
And, and so what's happening
is the Babylon, the kingdom of
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Babylon is gonna fall, and the
Persians are gonna take over, okay?
00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:14.920
Yeah.
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.920
So, so that's the, that's
what's happening in the ouranos.
00:24:18.930 --> 00:24:19.290
Yeah.
00:24:19.620 --> 00:24:20.130
Okay?
00:24:20.430 --> 00:24:20.710
Okay.
00:24:20.900 --> 00:24:25.450
Now, what's happening with Daniel is all
he knows is 70 years are up, and it's
00:24:25.450 --> 00:24:28.970
time for us to get out of captivity,
and he's praying along that way.
00:24:29.570 --> 00:24:32.260
And then the, the angel says…
00:24:32.270 --> 00:24:32.860
Let me see if I…
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.760
He says something like,
he says, "Well, look."
00:24:34.770 --> 00:24:35.680
Yeah, he says, "Look here."
00:24:36.150 --> 00:24:40.090
He says, "From the moment you prayed, I
was dispatched and, and I got the answer.
00:24:40.780 --> 00:24:44.540
But I was delayed by-"
00:24:45.455 --> 00:24:47.065
This Prince of Persia thing.
00:24:47.465 --> 00:24:51.695
Oh, the prince of the kingdom
of Persia withstood me 21 days.
00:24:51.955 --> 00:24:53.415
You go fi- can't figure that out.
00:24:54.725 --> 00:24:54.985
Hmm.
00:24:55.095 --> 00:24:56.045
I don't get that.
00:24:56.115 --> 00:24:56.525
Yeah.
00:24:56.925 --> 00:24:58.865
But that's what happened.
00:24:59.795 --> 00:25:04.725
So the delay happened becau- a
hot- because a hostile spiritual
00:25:04.725 --> 00:25:09.665
ruler resisted the answer's
manifestation in the unseen realm.
00:25:11.505 --> 00:25:12.645
Go figure.
00:25:13.575 --> 00:25:16.665
And then the guy says, the
messenger says, "Oh, I'm going back.
00:25:17.595 --> 00:25:20.275
I must return to fight
with the Prince of Persia."
00:25:21.665 --> 00:25:22.695
So he wasn't done.
00:25:22.945 --> 00:25:23.165
Yeah.
00:25:23.165 --> 00:25:25.595
He was just taking a sabbatical-
Yeah … to let Daniel know like-
00:25:25.675 --> 00:25:27.515
Yeah … "Hey, we're working on it."
00:25:27.525 --> 00:25:30.595
And then, and then he got through
the first time, you know, after
00:25:30.595 --> 00:25:33.805
the 21 days, 'cause he said he had
to call Michael the archangel, you
00:25:33.805 --> 00:25:35.445
know, the, the, the real- Mm-hmm
00:25:35.445 --> 00:25:36.605
whoop, whoop your tail guy.
00:25:37.045 --> 00:25:39.165
Number one chief, chief archon angel.
00:25:39.175 --> 00:25:39.665
Yeah.
00:25:39.665 --> 00:25:39.695
Yeah.
00:25:39.695 --> 00:25:43.685
Has to come down and, and plow away,
and then he says, "No one upholds me
00:25:43.685 --> 00:25:45.965
against these except Michael your prince."
00:25:46.765 --> 00:25:47.055
Wow.
00:25:47.095 --> 00:25:48.235
So there's something going on.
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And then in the-- Some more examples
of, of what happens here, um, when Jesus
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comes, and people don't recognize this.
00:25:59.315 --> 00:26:02.855
See, we don't understand
the kingdom of God.
00:26:03.885 --> 00:26:07.725
I mean, the first thing that Jesus
says, "Kingdom of God's come near you."
00:26:08.405 --> 00:26:08.915
It's here.
00:26:09.535 --> 00:26:11.245
When he shows up, the kingdom is here.
00:26:11.855 --> 00:26:15.155
He tells the disciples when they go
out, when he commissions them to go
00:26:15.155 --> 00:26:19.285
out, "You go out there and tell them
the kingdom of God has come to you."
00:26:24.601 --> 00:26:31.571
Jesus is the kingdom of God
coming into the earth to
00:26:31.571 --> 00:26:33.671
confront the kingdom of darkness.
00:26:33.731 --> 00:26:36.771
If you, you have to see that as the
entire background of everything that
00:26:36.791 --> 00:26:41.881
Jesus did- Right … was the kingdom
of God is confronting and destroying.
00:26:42.321 --> 00:26:47.091
Remember what Jesus said, "If you
can't take the, the goods of the,
00:26:47.101 --> 00:26:50.091
the household, the guy who's got
the goods, you can't take his stuff
00:26:50.091 --> 00:26:52.061
unless you bind the one that rules."
00:26:52.611 --> 00:26:52.781
Yeah.
00:26:52.781 --> 00:26:53.801
That's what Jesus did.
00:26:55.021 --> 00:26:58.341
So Acts 10:38 sums it up, how
God anointed Jesus of Nazareth
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with the Holy Ghost and fire.
00:26:59.731 --> 00:27:04.431
Holy Ghost and with power who
went about doing good and healing
00:27:04.441 --> 00:27:10.121
all that were, I mean, check
it out, oppressed by the devil.
00:27:10.351 --> 00:27:10.761
Yeah.
00:27:10.871 --> 00:27:11.851
That's what it says.
00:27:12.141 --> 00:27:12.311
Mm-hmm.
00:27:12.741 --> 00:27:15.631
The word pressed, oppressed,
I'll, I'll go for this.
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Kataduneo steo.
00:27:18.051 --> 00:27:19.281
That's, that's close.
00:27:21.321 --> 00:27:24.481
It means those who are
burdened, dominated, harassed.
00:27:24.731 --> 00:27:27.901
See kata, K-A-T-A, is the
first part of that word.
00:27:28.331 --> 00:27:32.691
That's the one that shows us
something comes down from the top.
00:27:32.861 --> 00:27:36.071
If it's kata, it's pressing down.
00:27:37.331 --> 00:27:46.421
So it's a burden, it's a weight, it's an
harassment, it's a domination that presses
00:27:46.461 --> 00:27:50.281
down, and Jesus came to destroy that.
00:27:52.655 --> 00:27:53.215
That's good.
00:27:53.475 --> 00:27:54.505
Yeah That's what it says.
00:27:54.645 --> 00:27:54.995
Yeah.
00:27:55.695 --> 00:28:00.485
So Jesus confronts, all right?
00:28:01.045 --> 00:28:04.225
And listen, just be- and
then Jesus ascends, right?
00:28:05.085 --> 00:28:09.245
But it's not over 'cause
we're, we're an occupying army.
00:28:09.535 --> 00:28:09.805
Mm-hmm.
00:28:09.865 --> 00:28:10.145
Yeah.
00:28:10.175 --> 00:28:11.645
The, the battle is still on.
00:28:12.435 --> 00:28:12.765
Yeah.
00:28:13.055 --> 00:28:16.405
And, and Peter says that,
"Be sober, be vigilant.
00:28:16.415 --> 00:28:18.205
Your adversary, the devil…"
00:28:18.565 --> 00:28:22.425
I mean, w- w- most people don't,
they don't even think like this.
00:28:22.525 --> 00:28:22.885
Yeah.
00:28:23.355 --> 00:28:27.305
He walks about, and the word mean
goes, goes everywhere, like a roaring
00:28:27.305 --> 00:28:29.985
lion seeking who- whom he may devour.
00:28:33.305 --> 00:28:38.595
Katapino, to swallow,
consume, overwhelm, engulf.
00:28:38.765 --> 00:28:39.725
The battle's still on.
00:28:40.705 --> 00:28:41.055
Yeah.
00:28:42.645 --> 00:28:42.875
Hmm.
00:28:43.525 --> 00:28:46.165
That's frustrating- You know- … 'cause
it doesn't really have to be with you.
00:28:46.185 --> 00:28:49.835
Like, like Christians don't
have to take any of that
00:28:51.923 --> 00:28:52.053
Yeah.
00:28:52.123 --> 00:28:52.563
That's right.
00:28:52.613 --> 00:28:58.253
The reason Jesus had to become
a man is, is because of what
00:28:58.253 --> 00:28:59.953
is called the dominion mandate.
00:29:00.433 --> 00:29:05.513
In Genesis 1, God gives man dominion
on this earth, and we failed to
00:29:05.513 --> 00:29:10.193
underest- and this is another reason
for the necessity of prayer, because
00:29:10.573 --> 00:29:14.913
he ha- God works only through men
and women in this natural realm.
00:29:15.563 --> 00:29:16.903
He has to have that person.
00:29:17.623 --> 00:29:20.793
You know, Ezekiel even said this, or
in Ezekiel it says, "I searched for a
00:29:20.793 --> 00:29:22.173
man to make up the hedge and the gap.
00:29:22.173 --> 00:29:22.923
Couldn't find one."
00:29:22.923 --> 00:29:25.123
God says, "Appoint, have to
pour my wrath out on them."
00:29:26.143 --> 00:29:26.903
That's crazy.
00:29:27.053 --> 00:29:27.443
Mm-hmm.
00:29:27.443 --> 00:29:27.773
Mm-hmm.
00:29:27.783 --> 00:29:29.933
But that's one of the
necessities of prayer.
00:29:30.613 --> 00:29:37.313
So Jesus could not have authority on
the earth unless he was truly a man.
00:29:37.703 --> 00:29:38.033
Yeah.
00:29:38.053 --> 00:29:39.593
Because only a man's got authority.
00:29:39.603 --> 00:29:42.363
Now a man is, now I'm using
an inclusive term- Right
00:29:42.403 --> 00:29:43.263
for men and women.
00:29:43.513 --> 00:29:43.923
Human.
00:29:44.613 --> 00:29:47.273
So we have the authority.
00:29:47.673 --> 00:29:47.893
Mm-hmm.
00:29:48.203 --> 00:29:49.543
We have to enforce it.
00:29:49.593 --> 00:29:49.903
Yeah.
00:29:50.493 --> 00:29:53.273
You know, in the realm of healing,
that's one of my favorite areas.
00:29:53.953 --> 00:29:58.193
Uh, you remember when Peter prays
for the dude at the gate, and he
00:29:58.193 --> 00:30:03.343
says, I mean, he says crazy stuff,
but he says, "Such as I have."
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:07.939
Get you kicked out of most churches.
00:30:11.419 --> 00:30:13.739
You know, I'm gonna
give you what I've got.
00:30:15.249 --> 00:30:15.649
Mm-hmm.
00:30:17.399 --> 00:30:17.659
Yeah.
00:30:17.659 --> 00:30:18.229
He had healing.
00:30:18.929 --> 00:30:19.269
Yeah.
00:30:19.439 --> 00:30:21.219
He didn't ask the Father to heal the dude.
00:30:21.229 --> 00:30:23.229
He said, "I'm gonna give you what I got."
00:30:23.329 --> 00:30:23.719
Mm-hmm.
00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:30.679
See, all spiritual gifts are given for the
person who receives, who needs the gifts.
00:30:31.029 --> 00:30:35.519
All it does is flow out of
your life to them, whether it's
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.529
healing, whatever it is- Yeah
00:30:38.989 --> 00:30:39.939
that, that we need.
00:30:40.419 --> 00:30:46.659
So yeah, so yeah, Jesus, but he's a
man and he's confronting the kingdom
00:30:46.659 --> 00:30:48.599
of darkness everywhere he goes.
00:30:48.659 --> 00:30:48.929
Yeah.
00:30:48.999 --> 00:30:51.859
And the New Testament is full
of these, these kind of things.
00:30:51.859 --> 00:30:53.129
Satan entered Judas.
00:30:54.229 --> 00:30:55.629
That's in Luke 22:3.
00:30:56.939 --> 00:31:01.099
And so there, there was-- Or
Thessalonians, Paul says, "I wanted
00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:03.929
to come to you," even Paul, "time and
time again, but Satan hindered us."
00:31:03.969 --> 00:31:04.759
Well, there's warfare.
00:31:04.939 --> 00:31:05.259
Yeah.
00:31:05.899 --> 00:31:06.409
All right.
00:31:07.209 --> 00:31:09.899
So here's the first major
reason why prayers don't work.
00:31:10.699 --> 00:31:14.429
Many believers don't understand the
contested arena in which their prayers
00:31:14.429 --> 00:31:21.619
are released, so they pray passively,
casually, as though their words
00:31:21.619 --> 00:31:23.389
are spoken into this empty space.
00:31:23.449 --> 00:31:24.659
It's not empty space.
00:31:25.489 --> 00:31:29.339
When scripture reveals that prayer
moves through a realm where the
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:35.229
kingdom of darkness advances and the
kingdom of darkness resists and even
00:31:35.239 --> 00:31:38.849
holds ground in the first heaven.
00:31:39.909 --> 00:31:40.299
Yeah.
00:31:40.699 --> 00:31:41.859
Every prayer you pray.
00:31:42.189 --> 00:31:44.579
So when the battlefield is not recognized-
00:31:46.595 --> 00:31:50.555
Then you're praying
from the wrong position.
00:31:52.165 --> 00:31:52.465
Yeah.
00:31:52.475 --> 00:31:56.085
And if you're not in the correct position,
your prayers will not be effective.
00:31:57.915 --> 00:32:01.405
I do not pray from Earth to heaven.
00:32:02.895 --> 00:32:06.855
I pray- From heaven to Earth … as
one enthroned- Yeah … in
00:32:06.855 --> 00:32:08.555
the third heaven with him.
00:32:09.085 --> 00:32:13.265
I pray downward into the first
realm- That's so good … enforcing-
00:32:13.305 --> 00:32:15.815
I'm telling you … the victory.
00:32:16.145 --> 00:32:16.435
Yeah.
00:32:16.435 --> 00:32:16.935
That is so good.
00:32:16.945 --> 00:32:17.625
That gave me chills.
00:32:19.035 --> 00:32:19.795
That is the truth.
00:32:20.015 --> 00:32:20.395
Yeah.
00:32:22.015 --> 00:32:23.715
But y- if you don't-
Then I just want a redo.
00:32:23.725 --> 00:32:26.345
You're like, "I've been
wasting so much time."
00:32:26.345 --> 00:32:27.165
But we know now.
00:32:27.315 --> 00:32:27.665
We know now.
00:32:27.665 --> 00:32:28.035
Yeah.
00:32:28.475 --> 00:32:29.155
It really will.
00:32:29.155 --> 00:32:33.785
Like, I feel like if you, if you can
grab hold of this kind of con- Like,
00:32:34.285 --> 00:32:37.365
I've heard the whole time, you know,
spiritual warfare and all the things, but
00:32:37.365 --> 00:32:39.155
I never really, like, thought about it.
00:32:39.165 --> 00:32:44.655
This is probably just, "Jill, why are
you so just ridiculously slow in this?"
00:32:45.025 --> 00:32:50.345
But I just didn't think about
it in terms of, like, battle.
00:32:50.355 --> 00:32:51.035
Middle military.
00:32:51.035 --> 00:32:51.615
Even though it's like…
00:32:51.795 --> 00:32:52.435
Yes.
00:32:52.455 --> 00:32:52.615
Yeah.
00:32:52.625 --> 00:32:54.985
Even though it's, it's in the name.
00:32:54.995 --> 00:32:56.335
It's warfare.
00:32:56.425 --> 00:32:56.905
Hello.
00:32:57.355 --> 00:33:03.845
But visualizing an actual, like,
battle and thinking about myself as,
00:33:04.025 --> 00:33:08.535
like, a commander of that, and there
are-- I have troops and I have to
00:33:08.685 --> 00:33:11.095
get those guys to not do whatever.
00:33:11.095 --> 00:33:16.015
And you making the point of we
are in an occupied time, like
00:33:16.025 --> 00:33:17.395
we are an occupying force.
00:33:17.415 --> 00:33:19.805
We're not in- We're not conquerors.
00:33:19.845 --> 00:33:20.205
Right.
00:33:20.235 --> 00:33:20.495
We've conquered.
00:33:20.505 --> 00:33:22.425
We are attempting to conquer.
00:33:22.495 --> 00:33:23.475
It's been conquered.
00:33:23.475 --> 00:33:24.735
We are holding ground.
00:33:25.225 --> 00:33:30.465
And, and then I think about, like, Ben
as an officer of the law, like, criminals
00:33:30.465 --> 00:33:31.815
are gonna criminal, you know what I mean?
00:33:31.815 --> 00:33:32.065
Yeah.
00:33:32.095 --> 00:33:36.915
Like, you've, you've gotta have
the police force to make them, to
00:33:36.975 --> 00:33:40.995
have the presence, make them know,
like, "That's not tolerated here."
00:33:41.185 --> 00:33:42.895
Like- Mm-hmm … "Don't try it.
00:33:43.005 --> 00:33:43.565
Don't try it.
00:33:43.565 --> 00:33:44.525
We're gonna take care of that."
00:33:45.235 --> 00:33:46.075
It's just different.
00:33:46.215 --> 00:33:47.435
It's just clicking in my head.
00:33:47.735 --> 00:33:47.965
Yeah.
00:33:47.965 --> 00:33:48.265
Yeah.
00:33:48.505 --> 00:33:49.305
So that's all.
00:33:49.375 --> 00:33:49.885
That's good.
00:33:49.905 --> 00:33:50.365
Just clicking.
00:33:50.745 --> 00:33:51.115
Yes.
00:33:52.225 --> 00:33:57.615
So our effective prayer then
begins with that understanding.
00:33:58.505 --> 00:34:00.435
All our prayers are offered
in a contested realm.
00:34:01.715 --> 00:34:05.345
And then the second thing is
recognizing where we are seated
00:34:05.355 --> 00:34:07.645
in that contested realm, above it.
00:34:07.675 --> 00:34:08.025
Yeah.
00:34:09.415 --> 00:34:09.935
So-
00:34:13.127 --> 00:34:15.547
The enemy doesn't have
to stop you from praying.
00:34:15.557 --> 00:34:17.467
He just has to get you
in the wrong position.
00:34:19.027 --> 00:34:24.537
Because if you're praying from
doubt, fear, worry, questions,
00:34:25.067 --> 00:34:26.597
feeling like I'm not worthy.
00:34:28.147 --> 00:34:28.777
Oh, man.
00:34:28.997 --> 00:34:30.137
He's such a trickster.
00:34:30.717 --> 00:34:32.127
Really dislike that dude.
00:34:32.137 --> 00:34:32.157
Yeah.
00:34:33.297 --> 00:34:35.257
It-- I call it identity theft.
00:34:36.247 --> 00:34:36.357
Mm-hmm.
00:34:36.357 --> 00:34:36.377
It is.
00:34:36.377 --> 00:34:37.547
That's all the enemy's trying to do.
00:34:37.557 --> 00:34:39.187
He's just trying to convince you.
00:34:39.197 --> 00:34:43.727
He can't take your seat because you're
seated in the heavenly realm with…
00:34:43.727 --> 00:34:45.127
He can't, he can't touch that.
00:34:45.597 --> 00:34:50.657
But if he can get you to pray from
somewhere other than that position,
00:34:51.557 --> 00:34:52.137
then, then that's what it is.
00:34:52.137 --> 00:34:54.477
Then he's not worried about your
prayer 'cause it's ineffective.
00:34:54.507 --> 00:34:54.637
He's not worried.
00:34:54.637 --> 00:34:54.767
Yeah.
00:34:54.767 --> 00:34:54.827
Yeah.
00:34:54.827 --> 00:34:58.487
So the question arises, I almost
subtitled the book, "Is Satan"
00:34:59.077 --> 00:35:02.707
or is, is, is, is the kingdom of
darkness afraid of your prayers?
00:35:02.707 --> 00:35:04.547
I almost made that the title of the book.
00:35:04.767 --> 00:35:05.137
Man.
00:35:05.817 --> 00:35:06.237
You know?
00:35:06.247 --> 00:35:06.277
Mm-hmm.
00:35:06.287 --> 00:35:08.677
Because he may or may not be.
00:35:09.157 --> 00:35:09.397
Yeah.
00:35:09.427 --> 00:35:11.237
And the kingdom of darkness
doesn't care how long you
00:35:11.237 --> 00:35:13.287
pray, how hard you pray- Right
00:35:13.317 --> 00:35:16.587
or how emotional you get about
it, or anything else like that.
00:35:16.587 --> 00:35:20.897
As long-- If he can just keep
you from praying prayers that are
00:35:20.897 --> 00:35:24.697
unbiblical, prayers that are from
the wrong position, then your prayers
00:35:24.717 --> 00:35:27.567
become ineffective, and he-- you're
not a challenge to his kingdom.
00:35:28.247 --> 00:35:28.697
Man.
00:35:29.397 --> 00:35:30.407
That's how it works.
00:35:30.877 --> 00:35:35.887
So our seated position, and I'm gonna
cover this really quick, uh, here.
00:35:35.887 --> 00:35:37.377
This is Ephesians 2:5-6.
00:35:37.417 --> 00:35:41.547
Even when we were dead in trespasses
made us a l- listen to what happens.
00:35:41.547 --> 00:35:43.267
Three, three things are here.
00:35:43.787 --> 00:35:46.097
Number one, we're made
alive together with Christ.
00:35:46.647 --> 00:35:49.067
In other words, we're
resurrected with Him.
00:35:49.067 --> 00:35:53.017
We're in the same resurrection power
that brought Him from the grave, okay?
00:35:53.017 --> 00:35:56.587
Then He has raised us up together, okay?
00:35:56.917 --> 00:36:00.647
And then last of all, made us to sit
together in the ouranos, which in
00:36:00.647 --> 00:36:04.307
that case has to refer to the third
heaven 'cause that's where He is.
00:36:04.487 --> 00:36:04.777
Right.
00:36:04.787 --> 00:36:05.247
His throne.
00:36:05.787 --> 00:36:10.907
So made alive together, raised
together with, seated together with.
00:36:11.737 --> 00:36:15.027
Each one of those words in
the original begin with a
00:36:15.027 --> 00:36:16.677
little word called syn, S-Y-N.
00:36:16.697 --> 00:36:19.507
It means together or
joined with or united with.
00:36:20.267 --> 00:36:24.157
So all three of these things
are, are happened when Jesus
00:36:24.407 --> 00:36:25.677
died and was resurrected.
00:36:25.897 --> 00:36:27.457
I was made alive with Him.
00:36:27.797 --> 00:36:29.427
I was raised together with Him.
00:36:29.697 --> 00:36:31.767
I'm seated together
with Him in the heavens.
00:36:31.977 --> 00:36:33.197
This is positional.
00:36:33.377 --> 00:36:34.417
This is legal.
00:36:34.567 --> 00:36:37.407
This is spiritual
reality, and it's who I am
00:36:39.747 --> 00:36:40.477
In the kingdom.
00:36:41.417 --> 00:36:41.737
Yep.
00:36:41.937 --> 00:36:45.587
And when I wake up to that, and when a
person wakes up to that, they'll be a
00:36:45.587 --> 00:36:47.487
major threat to the kingdom of darkness.
00:36:48.427 --> 00:36:49.837
And that's what God wants to do
00:36:52.195 --> 00:36:57.735
So we share a throne So in writing
this, have you experienced any pushback?
00:36:58.675 --> 00:36:59.425
Oh, from the devil?
00:36:59.425 --> 00:36:59.725
Yeah.
00:37:00.445 --> 00:37:00.835
Oh, yeah.
00:37:00.835 --> 00:37:03.615
Or are you like, you know
how to handle it, of course.
00:37:03.625 --> 00:37:04.325
But like- Yeah.
00:37:04.325 --> 00:37:04.495
Yeah.
00:37:04.495 --> 00:37:05.895
But yeah, lots of spiritual warfare.
00:37:06.025 --> 00:37:07.955
I got this thing, funny
thing going on right now.
00:37:08.195 --> 00:37:08.995
I've, I've got this…
00:37:09.045 --> 00:37:13.905
I, I've struggled with this, uh, sore,
this thing on my neck here for quite
00:37:13.905 --> 00:37:17.015
a while, and, uh, it is part of that.
00:37:17.345 --> 00:37:18.545
I don't know exactly what it is.
00:37:18.545 --> 00:37:20.685
I, I haven't been to a doctor
or anything to see what it is.
00:37:20.685 --> 00:37:21.355
I'm not worried about it.
00:37:21.735 --> 00:37:26.345
But, um, so I've had this little
physical affliction going on.
00:37:26.355 --> 00:37:26.505
Mm-hmm.
00:37:26.545 --> 00:37:29.265
This, you know, this little thing
that's kinda like a tumor or something.
00:37:29.265 --> 00:37:30.065
I don't know what it is.
00:37:30.565 --> 00:37:32.825
But anyway, I, I think that's part of it.
00:37:33.115 --> 00:37:33.585
Mm-hmm.
00:37:33.585 --> 00:37:35.425
You know, because it's interesting
because we pray the prayer of faith
00:37:35.435 --> 00:37:40.175
for a lot of people in healing, and so
the kingdom of darkness is always gonna
00:37:40.185 --> 00:37:45.595
attack you in areas of your assignment,
and so that's why I find it really,
00:37:46.195 --> 00:37:50.215
uh, interesting and, uh, I'll use the
word e- almost even logical, you know?
00:37:50.215 --> 00:37:50.695
Yeah.
00:37:50.785 --> 00:37:53.225
Because he would love to knock
me out of that, you know,
00:37:53.225 --> 00:37:54.135
to say, "Well, look at you.
00:37:54.655 --> 00:37:55.845
How are you gonna-" Yeah,
you can't heal yourself.
00:37:55.845 --> 00:37:56.075
How, yeah.
00:37:56.085 --> 00:37:57.465
Like, how are you gonna heal somebody?
00:37:57.465 --> 00:37:57.865
Like, cool.
00:37:57.875 --> 00:37:58.605
Yeah, physician, heal yourself.
00:37:58.615 --> 00:37:58.955
Mm-hmm.
00:37:58.955 --> 00:38:00.245
And that's the thing that's so funny.
00:38:01.245 --> 00:38:03.695
Funny, I mean, it's hilarious
at times because we lay hands on
00:38:03.695 --> 00:38:06.115
people and healing will be released.
00:38:06.125 --> 00:38:07.315
See, you gotta understand something.
00:38:07.315 --> 00:38:09.315
That's another reason
healing prayers don't work.
00:38:09.745 --> 00:38:13.485
Um, I, I've got a book, uh, here
called, that I w- I was gonna give
00:38:13.485 --> 00:38:17.165
you today, called Healing by the Word:
Why Your Healing Services Don't Work.
00:38:19.185 --> 00:38:20.275
So anyway- Oh, that's good.
00:38:20.655 --> 00:38:22.025
Thank you … that was why, you know.
00:38:22.795 --> 00:38:29.325
And, and so anyway, it's the funniest
thing because healing doesn't come down.
00:38:29.575 --> 00:38:30.765
You know, we got all these images.
00:38:30.765 --> 00:38:33.435
We sit in the church and we
call, "Oh, God, come down."
00:38:33.885 --> 00:38:34.635
He came down.
00:38:35.245 --> 00:38:35.485
Yeah.
00:38:35.485 --> 00:38:36.605
"Oh, God, rend the heavens."
00:38:36.705 --> 00:38:37.215
Guess what?
00:38:37.225 --> 00:38:38.175
He rent the heavens.
00:38:38.475 --> 00:38:38.765
Yeah.
00:38:38.765 --> 00:38:39.145
Yeah.
00:38:40.235 --> 00:38:40.605
Yeah.
00:38:40.615 --> 00:38:41.675
He's already done all this.
00:38:41.685 --> 00:38:43.095
We're asking him to do
something he's already done.
00:38:44.015 --> 00:38:51.605
And, uh, in the realm of healing,
then, uh, it's what happens is-
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:56.879
spiritual gifts, the Holy
Spirit dwells in you.
00:38:56.919 --> 00:38:59.599
You are, and I'm getting all
subject, but it's, it'll be okay.
00:39:00.619 --> 00:39:02.919
We are the temple, Corinthians 6, right?
00:39:02.929 --> 00:39:03.679
The temple of God.
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:05.259
The word is naos.
00:39:05.259 --> 00:39:06.709
It means the altar.
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.499
It's the place where the presence
of God dwelt in the old tabernacle.
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:12.809
Mm-hmm.
00:39:12.809 --> 00:39:17.469
It refers, it literally refers
to the idol or the, in this
00:39:17.469 --> 00:39:18.609
case, the Ark of the Covenant.
00:39:18.609 --> 00:39:18.689
Mm-hmm.
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:19.369
Right.
00:39:19.409 --> 00:39:21.519
Well, guess who's the
Ark of the Covenant now?
00:39:21.569 --> 00:39:22.889
It's me, it's you.
00:39:22.979 --> 00:39:23.429
Right.
00:39:23.479 --> 00:39:25.239
He dwells in us.
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:25.969
Right.
00:39:25.969 --> 00:39:26.469
Okay?
00:39:26.709 --> 00:39:28.049
He dwells in your spirit.
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.309
So when the…
00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:33.189
And so the Holy Spirit takes up
residence when I came into Christ,
00:39:34.549 --> 00:39:39.639
which means all 21 gifts of the
Holy Spirit, now I'm talking Romans
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.549
12, Corinthians 12, Corinthians
14, there's 21 spiritual gifts.
00:39:43.299 --> 00:39:47.019
All 21 of those gifts are dwelling inside
of me right now, dwelling inside of you.
00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:48.009
Yeah.
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.649
Which means you have the potential to…
00:39:49.649 --> 00:39:53.649
And, and the biblical word, Paul uses
two key words here in Corinthians.
00:39:54.619 --> 00:40:02.729
Um, he de- he describes the gifts as
the manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:05.059
Mani means finger or hand.
00:40:05.429 --> 00:40:06.529
Festo means dance.
00:40:06.529 --> 00:40:08.009
It's a dancing hand of God.
00:40:08.009 --> 00:40:08.879
I love that illustration.
00:40:08.899 --> 00:40:09.349
Mm.
00:40:09.629 --> 00:40:10.119
That is good.
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:11.609
So- Yeah … the
spiritual gifts are there.
00:40:12.389 --> 00:40:14.459
And so that's how they manifest.
00:40:14.479 --> 00:40:18.139
Now they're defined as the charismata.
00:40:18.149 --> 00:40:19.789
See, there's charis, grace.
00:40:19.789 --> 00:40:20.729
We recognize that.
00:40:20.739 --> 00:40:21.079
Mm-hmm.
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.909
M-A, anytime you see an M-A on the end
of a verb in New Testament language,
00:40:26.439 --> 00:40:30.669
it's telling you this, like rhema- Mm-hmm
00:40:30.669 --> 00:40:31.129
right?
00:40:31.129 --> 00:40:33.349
That word for word, it has
an M-A on the end of it.
00:40:34.449 --> 00:40:39.059
What the M-A does, it's telling you
that what's happening here, it's
00:40:39.059 --> 00:40:41.059
not just that a word is spoken.
00:40:41.789 --> 00:40:47.399
It's wanting you to see what happens
or what the outcome of that verb is.
00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:49.309
That's the emphasis.
00:40:49.859 --> 00:40:50.359
Okay.
00:40:50.859 --> 00:40:57.999
It's what happens because you s-
that word or that verb executes.
00:40:57.999 --> 00:40:58.339
Okay.
00:40:58.759 --> 00:41:04.359
So, um, sa- the same thing here, charisma.
00:41:04.949 --> 00:41:11.659
It's describing what happens
when grace gifts function.
00:41:11.949 --> 00:41:12.169
Mm.
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.529
Okay.
00:41:12.529 --> 00:41:14.129
And T-A is simply plural.
00:41:14.479 --> 00:41:14.729
Okay.
00:41:14.879 --> 00:41:14.899
Yeah.
00:41:14.899 --> 00:41:15.909
That means for everybody.
00:41:16.469 --> 00:41:19.919
So that's the word that
defines spiritual gifts.
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:26.059
And what they do is they flow
out of my spirit through me
00:41:29.443 --> 00:41:34.821
Sideways But we're out here hollering for
God to come down, bring your gifts down.
00:41:35.251 --> 00:41:37.381
That ain't how it works- They're
already in us … I mean-
00:41:37.381 --> 00:41:38.151
Yeah … that's not how it works.
00:41:38.611 --> 00:41:39.501
They're not coming down.
00:41:39.721 --> 00:41:42.801
In fact, one of my favorite s- uh,
teachers, a guy named Andrew Wommack,
00:41:43.111 --> 00:41:46.901
he likes to he likes to say- I love
him … "God's not gonna heal you today."
00:41:48.731 --> 00:41:50.151
He healed you 2,000 years ago.
00:41:50.411 --> 00:41:50.431
Yeah.
00:41:50.591 --> 00:41:50.861
Yeah.
00:41:50.871 --> 00:41:54.931
And so we're out here screaming for God
to heal us when He's already done it.
00:41:55.081 --> 00:41:55.241
Mm-hmm.
00:41:55.371 --> 00:41:55.731
Yeah.
00:41:55.751 --> 00:41:55.981
See?
00:41:55.981 --> 00:41:58.671
And, and these, uh, these
understandings are legal, they're
00:41:58.671 --> 00:42:00.201
positional, they're spiritual reality.
00:42:00.551 --> 00:42:03.121
So anyway, we're way off, so
but maybe we can get back here.
00:42:03.131 --> 00:42:05.981
So there's a shared throne, y- right?
00:42:06.561 --> 00:42:10.821
And so it's a throne of authority,
and, and this is fascinating to me.
00:42:11.221 --> 00:42:17.441
Um, to be seated down, when one sits
down, it's one of the most misunderstood
00:42:17.501 --> 00:42:23.871
concepts of, of the Book of Hebrews, that
when Christ was resurrected, He sat down.
00:42:24.331 --> 00:42:27.301
See, the picture is this: the Old
Testament priests continually offered.
00:42:27.341 --> 00:42:31.081
He stood all the time because
he continually offered one
00:42:31.081 --> 00:42:32.301
sacrifice after another.
00:42:32.301 --> 00:42:32.521
Yeah.
00:42:32.711 --> 00:42:33.191
Guess what?
00:42:33.201 --> 00:42:36.311
The final sacrifice was made in
Christ, so He sat down because
00:42:36.311 --> 00:42:37.761
there's not another one to be made.
00:42:38.071 --> 00:42:38.421
Right.
00:42:38.481 --> 00:42:40.641
In other words, it's,
it's totally complete.
00:42:40.641 --> 00:42:42.251
It's done forever.
00:42:42.261 --> 00:42:42.751
Mm-hmm.
00:42:42.761 --> 00:42:43.111
Yeah.
00:42:43.151 --> 00:42:44.381
Done for all eternity.
00:42:44.901 --> 00:42:48.471
And so when He sits
down, the word is kathos.
00:42:49.141 --> 00:42:53.101
That means to sit in an appointed
seat, and it means to have authority.
00:42:53.431 --> 00:42:56.611
See, we like to use words like, well,
that's the chairman of the board.
00:42:56.621 --> 00:42:59.651
That's where we get that
idea, when you sit in a chair.
00:42:59.651 --> 00:43:02.221
You go to the university, they
call the teachers, well, he has
00:43:02.221 --> 00:43:03.431
the chair in the department.
00:43:04.411 --> 00:43:04.651
Right.
00:43:04.651 --> 00:43:07.121
Or some people like to
throw it around like this.
00:43:07.141 --> 00:43:09.161
Uh, he's the heavy one.
00:43:09.161 --> 00:43:10.091
He's the weighty one.
00:43:10.101 --> 00:43:11.541
He's, he's carrying the weight.
00:43:11.931 --> 00:43:12.081
Right.
00:43:12.081 --> 00:43:12.731
That's the idea.
00:43:13.341 --> 00:43:18.621
And so He sits down, and that's why
Matthew says in Matthew 5:1 that
00:43:18.621 --> 00:43:27.621
when He was set, Jesus delivered the
new kingdom to the world in Matthew
00:43:27.661 --> 00:43:30.321
5, 6, and 7, when He sat down.
00:43:31.091 --> 00:43:31.361
Hmm.
00:43:31.361 --> 00:43:31.611
Wow.
00:43:31.611 --> 00:43:32.571
That's the imagery.
00:43:32.691 --> 00:43:32.991
Yeah.
00:43:33.001 --> 00:43:33.431
Wow, that's good.
00:43:33.431 --> 00:43:38.011
It's the, the new king just sat
down on his throne right now, and
00:43:38.021 --> 00:43:39.501
he's gonna tell you how it is.
00:43:40.261 --> 00:43:40.541
Wow.
00:43:40.901 --> 00:43:44.481
See, when the pope speaks, these
are Latin words, ex cathedra,
00:43:45.131 --> 00:43:47.191
E-X out, cathedra, kathos.
00:43:47.191 --> 00:43:49.991
It's, it's the root of
this word to sit, sit down.
00:43:50.011 --> 00:43:53.151
They think he's infallible, but
it means he speaks from his seat.
00:43:53.531 --> 00:43:55.501
Well, this is what happens to us.
00:43:55.501 --> 00:43:57.001
We're elevated with Christ.
00:43:57.001 --> 00:43:57.791
He sits down.
00:43:57.791 --> 00:44:02.471
That fulfilled Psalms, I think it's
110, "Sit here at my right hand until I
00:44:02.471 --> 00:44:04.001
make all your enemies your footstool."
00:44:04.001 --> 00:44:04.601
Mm-hmm.
00:44:05.451 --> 00:44:07.061
That was the fulfillment of that.
00:44:07.891 --> 00:44:09.801
And so I'm seated with Him.
00:44:10.121 --> 00:44:13.331
I share that, and so it's
positional authority.
00:44:13.331 --> 00:44:14.151
Now, here it is.
00:44:14.221 --> 00:44:21.411
The believer prays from the place where
Christ is enthroned as one joined to Him.
00:44:22.371 --> 00:44:22.641
Okay.
00:44:23.891 --> 00:44:27.311
See, I can pray like that
because- I'm in union.
00:44:27.651 --> 00:44:28.161
Right.
00:44:28.241 --> 00:44:30.011
The word meno is a
fascinating little word.
00:44:30.031 --> 00:44:31.761
M-E-N-O, meno.
00:44:31.811 --> 00:44:33.061
I'm joined with him.
00:44:33.871 --> 00:44:35.241
I have what he has.
00:44:35.321 --> 00:44:35.701
Right.
00:44:35.741 --> 00:44:36.971
I can do what he did
00:44:39.231 --> 00:44:39.741
Hmm.
00:44:39.741 --> 00:44:40.171
I can.
00:44:40.271 --> 00:44:40.951
That's good.
00:44:41.221 --> 00:44:42.191
I can do what he did.
00:44:42.571 --> 00:44:43.761
I can lay hands on the sick.
00:44:43.761 --> 00:44:44.331
I can pray.
00:44:44.331 --> 00:44:45.101
I can prophesy.
00:44:45.221 --> 00:44:46.421
I can cast out devils.
00:44:47.301 --> 00:44:50.061
All, everything that he was,
I mean, John said as he was
00:44:50.061 --> 00:44:52.181
in the world, so are we, baby.
00:44:54.221 --> 00:44:57.171
Didn't after he read in,
you know, among the…
00:44:57.381 --> 00:45:00.311
He went and said, "The Spirit of
the Sovereign Lord is upon me 'cause
00:45:00.311 --> 00:45:01.501
he has anointed me," whatever.
00:45:01.501 --> 00:45:01.771
Yeah.
00:45:01.771 --> 00:45:04.021
Didn't he sit down after that?
00:45:04.021 --> 00:45:04.501
I think so.
00:45:04.511 --> 00:45:05.451
Yeah, he did.
00:45:05.461 --> 00:45:05.941
That's true.
00:45:05.971 --> 00:45:06.171
Yeah.
00:45:06.171 --> 00:45:07.041
I've never thought of it, but that's true.
00:45:07.051 --> 00:45:08.941
Like he sat down and
then they got all mad.
00:45:09.191 --> 00:45:09.541
Yeah.
00:45:09.991 --> 00:45:13.791
It explains so much more about-
Yes … why they got so angry.
00:45:14.051 --> 00:45:14.071
Yeah.
00:45:14.081 --> 00:45:17.661
Like, I mean, yeah, he said some stuff
that they clearly did not agree with.
00:45:17.661 --> 00:45:17.891
Yeah.
00:45:18.161 --> 00:45:22.711
They, that ruffled their feathers,
but adding in the authoritative
00:45:22.721 --> 00:45:26.301
move of sitting down was
just like icing on the cake.
00:45:26.431 --> 00:45:26.541
Yeah.
00:45:27.511 --> 00:45:28.571
And it's an invasion.
00:45:28.581 --> 00:45:32.081
Jesus was an invasion of the kingdom
of God into the kingdom of darkness.
00:45:32.171 --> 00:45:33.531
Okay, so back to this.
00:45:33.551 --> 00:45:35.511
This is positional authority.
00:45:36.231 --> 00:45:40.751
The believer prays from the place
where Christ is enthroned as one
00:45:40.751 --> 00:45:46.341
joined to him, represented by him,
and authorized beneath his lordship.
00:45:47.671 --> 00:45:51.431
So understanding our shared
position in Christ's throne
00:45:51.991 --> 00:45:55.951
is essential to understanding
and practicing prayer rightly.
00:45:56.911 --> 00:45:57.051
Hmm.
00:45:57.081 --> 00:45:59.661
If you don't know where you're
seated, you cannot pray right.
00:46:00.181 --> 00:46:00.511
Yeah.
00:46:00.711 --> 00:46:03.441
Many believers pray as though
they're standing on the earth.
00:46:03.821 --> 00:46:06.531
They think they're trying to reach heaven.
00:46:07.601 --> 00:46:11.281
They think they're sending their
prayers upward from a place of
00:46:11.321 --> 00:46:14.061
he's out there, and I'm down here.
00:46:14.721 --> 00:46:15.521
Oh, no.
00:46:16.801 --> 00:46:18.741
I'm up there- Yeah … with him.
00:46:21.181 --> 00:46:22.291
Here's the way it works.
00:46:24.031 --> 00:46:27.111
I'm his authorized
representative in the earth.
00:46:28.861 --> 00:46:31.101
Everywhere I go, I carry
the kingdom of God.
00:46:31.831 --> 00:46:35.151
And remember when Jesus said this, he
says, "Here's how you should pray, fellas.
00:46:35.821 --> 00:46:38.141
Kingdom of God come and
will of God be done."
00:46:39.151 --> 00:46:42.401
The word come is ginos.
00:46:42.441 --> 00:46:45.281
Now this, that's a genesis
or that is a birth word
00:46:47.435 --> 00:46:50.245
In other words, everywhere I go
I should be saying kingdom of
00:46:50.285 --> 00:46:52.085
God be born into this situation.
00:46:52.355 --> 00:46:55.295
In anywhere I walk, y- that you walk
into somewhere and you realize that the
00:46:55.295 --> 00:46:59.195
kingdom of God is not being manifest,
but instead the kingdom of darkness is
00:46:59.195 --> 00:47:03.555
operating, I'm authorized to come against
that kingdom and loose it and bind it.
00:47:04.605 --> 00:47:04.795
Hmm.
00:47:04.845 --> 00:47:09.455
And make, and make, as a
representative of Jesus, enforce
00:47:09.455 --> 00:47:11.635
the victory that's already been won.
00:47:11.775 --> 00:47:11.855
Mm.
00:47:12.925 --> 00:47:14.325
That'll change the way you pray.
00:47:14.385 --> 00:47:14.795
Yeah.
00:47:14.915 --> 00:47:15.235
Yeah.
00:47:15.855 --> 00:47:19.775
Our position in the heavenlies with
Christ, and from that seated position,
00:47:19.795 --> 00:47:25.275
our prayers are released toward the
earth in agreement with heaven's will,
00:47:25.625 --> 00:47:30.915
not upward from the earth as though
access were still distant or uncertain.
00:47:31.265 --> 00:47:35.015
The overwhelming majority of
the body of Christ feels like
00:47:35.015 --> 00:47:37.555
God is distant and uncertain.
00:47:39.135 --> 00:47:40.385
I don't know if he gonna
answer this prayer or not.
00:47:40.385 --> 00:47:40.725
That's not true, though.
00:47:40.755 --> 00:47:40.855
I-- no.
00:47:41.375 --> 00:47:42.085
No.
00:47:42.365 --> 00:47:45.545
I mean, like, 'cause it, there's a
verse that talks about Jesus being
00:47:45.545 --> 00:47:46.535
at the right hand of the Father.
00:47:46.825 --> 00:47:50.395
It also talks somewhere else,
I need to look it up, but about
00:47:50.395 --> 00:47:52.105
Jesus being to the right of us.
00:47:52.705 --> 00:47:55.375
So if he's to the right of us,
but also to the right of the Fa-
00:47:55.425 --> 00:47:56.885
Father, that puts us in the middle.
00:47:57.575 --> 00:47:57.835
Yeah.
00:47:57.865 --> 00:48:02.005
We're seated, actually seated with him-
Yeah … in that same lofty, amazing-
00:48:02.005 --> 00:48:04.742
Between God the Father and God the Son
… above all principalities and powers.
00:48:04.742 --> 00:48:05.475
Yeah, cozy right there.
00:48:06.075 --> 00:48:06.775
Yeah, that's good.
00:48:07.345 --> 00:48:09.915
All right, so the enemy
fights against our position.
00:48:11.825 --> 00:48:12.285
Okay?
00:48:12.285 --> 00:48:14.335
So that's, yeah, that's
that identity theft.
00:48:14.335 --> 00:48:15.695
I see I already jumped ahead of…
00:48:15.835 --> 00:48:20.745
If he can keep you thinking like an
outsider, you'll speak like an outsider.
00:48:20.745 --> 00:48:25.875
If he can keep you feeling unworthy,
you will pray like one who's waiting
00:48:25.915 --> 00:48:30.275
to be permitted near the throne,
rather than one who's already been
00:48:30.275 --> 00:48:33.455
seated by Christ on his throne.
00:48:35.615 --> 00:48:37.105
So identity theft.
00:48:38.505 --> 00:48:39.065
All right.
00:48:39.875 --> 00:48:40.335
Let's see.
00:48:41.475 --> 00:48:44.395
Okay, uh, chapter three,
enforcing the victory.
00:48:44.485 --> 00:48:46.215
Oh, here's, here it is, First John 3:8.
00:48:46.265 --> 00:48:50.085
He came as the incarnate warrior redeemer
to overthrow the tyranny of the kingdom
00:48:50.085 --> 00:48:54.035
of darkness and bring the works of the
devil under the finished verdict of God.
00:48:54.775 --> 00:48:56.025
He's already defeated
00:48:58.767 --> 00:49:03.907
Scripture states the mission plainly,
"For this purpose," see, the, the New
00:49:03.947 --> 00:49:06.317
Testament is full of this warfare stuff.
00:49:06.417 --> 00:49:06.847
Yeah.
00:49:07.567 --> 00:49:10.837
"For the pur- for this purpose, the
Son of God was manifested that he
00:49:10.837 --> 00:49:13.517
might destroy the works of the devil."
00:49:15.855 --> 00:49:17.035
We were at Acts 10:38 Mm-hmm.
00:49:17.525 --> 00:49:18.315
Yeah And he came
00:49:20.623 --> 00:49:24.753
To destroy, you know, to, to, to release
all those that were held captive.
00:49:24.793 --> 00:49:25.063
Yeah.
00:49:25.683 --> 00:49:29.343
The word destroy there is luo, to
loose, break apart, dismantle, undo.
00:49:30.803 --> 00:49:34.073
Jesus came to dismantle everything
the enemy had constructed.
00:49:34.393 --> 00:49:36.913
Everything that the enemy
has, has constructed.
00:49:37.023 --> 00:49:41.743
See what happened when Adam fell,
that authority that God had ve- that
00:49:41.783 --> 00:49:47.043
it's called the dominion mandate,
he put man in charge of everything.
00:49:47.303 --> 00:49:47.553
Yeah.
00:49:47.553 --> 00:49:49.313
Psalms 1:15 says, "The earth…"
00:49:49.603 --> 00:49:51.193
He said, "The heavens are
the heavens of the Lord.
00:49:51.203 --> 00:49:52.873
The earth, he assigned to men."
00:49:53.373 --> 00:49:53.743
Yeah.
00:49:54.843 --> 00:49:56.103
He said, "You're gonna rule it.
00:49:56.153 --> 00:49:57.343
You're gonna rule it for me.
00:49:57.393 --> 00:49:58.963
You take-- I'll take care of the heavens.
00:49:59.063 --> 00:50:00.053
You take care of the earth."
00:50:00.703 --> 00:50:01.023
Yeah.
00:50:01.043 --> 00:50:02.453
Well, when Adam…
00:50:02.593 --> 00:50:03.603
And, and here's what happened.
00:50:03.653 --> 00:50:06.123
I mean, Jesus even says this.
00:50:06.953 --> 00:50:12.863
He calls Satan the, the,
the archai, the chief one
00:50:15.059 --> 00:50:15.889
And he was.
00:50:16.179 --> 00:50:16.519
Mm-hmm.
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:17.709
Remember what Satan said?
00:50:17.919 --> 00:50:22.199
He, he shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the
world and says, "Bow down and worship me.
00:50:22.499 --> 00:50:27.929
I'll give it to you, for it
has been delivered to me."
00:50:27.939 --> 00:50:28.849
Mm-hmm.
00:50:28.859 --> 00:50:29.629
Where did he get it?
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:30.919
He got it from Adam.
00:50:30.989 --> 00:50:31.499
Mm-hmm.
00:50:31.749 --> 00:50:32.049
Yeah.
00:50:32.059 --> 00:50:33.679
Well, guess what happened when Jesus came?
00:50:34.259 --> 00:50:38.169
He undid all that- Yeah … and
restored it all back to us.
00:50:38.929 --> 00:50:39.319
Right.
00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:40.729
Phew.
00:50:40.749 --> 00:50:44.659
So it's a decisive- … blow to the
kingdom of darkness, and his mission
00:50:44.659 --> 00:50:46.169
was not partial, it was total.
00:50:47.439 --> 00:50:48.249
It's total.
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:50.519
And this is Colossians 2:15.
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:51.849
He disarmed.
00:50:51.949 --> 00:50:54.599
Remember those principalities
and powers that Paul talked about
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.839
that we're struggling against?
00:50:56.299 --> 00:50:57.359
They're all disarmed.
00:50:57.429 --> 00:50:57.619
Mm-hmm.
00:50:57.759 --> 00:50:58.109
Yeah.
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:03.857
Colossians 2:15 And the word means
to strip it off or to disarm it.
00:51:04.647 --> 00:51:06.237
So the outcome is not in question.
00:51:06.237 --> 00:51:08.167
The outcome of the conflict
is never in question.
00:51:08.927 --> 00:51:10.227
At the cross, Jesus…
00:51:10.237 --> 00:51:11.187
And listen carefully.
00:51:11.417 --> 00:51:16.707
At the cross, Jesus delivered
a decisive, irreversible defeat
00:51:16.717 --> 00:51:17.997
to the kingdom of darkness.
00:51:18.117 --> 00:51:18.497
Mm-hmm.
00:51:18.507 --> 00:51:18.837
Yeah.
00:51:19.597 --> 00:51:20.347
He's done.
00:51:20.897 --> 00:51:21.217
Yeah.
00:51:21.927 --> 00:51:26.347
Principalities and powers were
stripped, disarmed, public- publicly
00:51:26.347 --> 00:51:30.207
exposed, their authority broken, and
their legal claims are nullified.
00:51:31.597 --> 00:51:35.417
And it's a whole 'nother thing, but
the kingdom of darkness can only op-
00:51:36.087 --> 00:51:41.217
can always, can only operate where
they have a legal right to operate.
00:51:43.027 --> 00:51:46.787
Everywhere that he operates, he thinks
he's, he has to have a legal right,
00:51:47.217 --> 00:51:51.137
and, and by our actions and our words
and things, people open their lives to
00:51:51.137 --> 00:51:53.297
legal access by the kingdom of darkness.
00:51:53.947 --> 00:51:56.647
And you have to understand
that, and that's why my friends,
00:51:56.647 --> 00:51:57.997
I have a dear friend, Dr.
00:51:57.997 --> 00:52:02.177
Travis Arterberry, that, that
prays a prayer of, uh, victory.
00:52:03.017 --> 00:52:05.547
Deliverance is what some people call it.
00:52:06.137 --> 00:52:08.857
And so what he's always looking for, Dr.
00:52:08.857 --> 00:52:13.417
Travis will listen to a person, and
he's seeking to discern the legal
00:52:13.417 --> 00:52:16.017
points of access that the enemy has.
00:52:16.087 --> 00:52:17.217
Where they gave it to him?
00:52:17.237 --> 00:52:17.627
Yeah.
00:52:17.687 --> 00:52:18.197
Yes.
00:52:18.547 --> 00:52:19.617
It's fascinating.
00:52:19.767 --> 00:52:23.877
I've been with him in those sessions,
and it's remarkable what happens
00:52:23.877 --> 00:52:27.217
into people's lives when you start
dealing with the legal access
00:52:27.217 --> 00:52:28.827
that the enemy has to their life.
00:52:29.877 --> 00:52:30.157
Hmm.
00:52:30.157 --> 00:52:31.767
It, it's, it's profound what will happen.
00:52:32.327 --> 00:52:36.987
So what remains is not a battle to
be won, but a victory to be enforced.
00:52:36.987 --> 00:52:37.837
The battle's already won.
00:52:39.607 --> 00:52:40.377
Then here it is.
00:52:40.377 --> 00:52:45.637
The enemy does not continue fighting
because he's powerful, but because
00:52:45.637 --> 00:52:52.017
he is allowed to operate on illegal
ground where the church has not
00:52:52.057 --> 00:52:54.717
yet applied Christ's finished work.
00:52:55.527 --> 00:52:55.897
Yeah.
00:52:56.607 --> 00:52:57.447
That's why there's so…
00:52:57.887 --> 00:52:59.197
And you know the stats.
00:52:59.377 --> 00:53:00.287
Mm-hmm.
00:53:00.287 --> 00:53:05.227
Man, in the church, we're not
much better than the world.
00:53:05.227 --> 00:53:06.127
Mm-mm.
00:53:06.157 --> 00:53:08.007
We got sick people all over the place.
00:53:08.007 --> 00:53:10.167
We got people-
Yeah … that are depressed.
00:53:10.167 --> 00:53:11.637
We got, you name it.
00:53:12.007 --> 00:53:12.347
Yeah.
00:53:12.777 --> 00:53:14.927
We have marriages that are
breaking up like crazy.
00:53:14.927 --> 00:53:18.047
It's the s- all pretty much the same
rate as those who don't even know Christ.
00:53:18.047 --> 00:53:18.917
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:18.917 --> 00:53:19.567
Yeah.
00:53:19.567 --> 00:53:22.427
And we got all this stuff, and yet Jesus
said, "I've come that you might have-"
00:53:23.363 --> 00:53:23.593
life have more abundantly.
00:53:23.593 --> 00:53:25.203
I see there's some big disconnect.
00:53:25.813 --> 00:53:27.083
I mean, I go to this church.
00:53:27.913 --> 00:53:29.813
Yeah, healing, remember, is
one of my favorite things.
00:53:31.273 --> 00:53:35.293
I go to this church, a, a big Assembly
of God church that's really cool,
00:53:35.723 --> 00:53:38.173
and they, they have a prayer meeting
every Wednesday morning, and I got
00:53:38.173 --> 00:53:41.933
invited, so I go to this prayer
meeting, and they have this 8 by 10…
00:53:42.473 --> 00:53:44.243
Or not 8 by 10, it would be
8 by 4, yeah, uh, whiteboard,
00:53:47.533 --> 00:53:48.583
and they have two columns.
00:53:49.123 --> 00:53:53.943
One of them says, "Those who need
healing," and the other column
00:53:53.943 --> 00:53:55.473
said, "Those who received healing."
00:53:55.983 --> 00:53:56.953
And I was so intrigued by that.
00:53:56.953 --> 00:53:58.253
I stood there and looked at that thing.
00:53:58.593 --> 00:54:03.013
There must have been 100 names on
this s- needs healing- Mm-hmm … and
00:54:03.013 --> 00:54:04.463
there are about 15 over here.
00:54:05.213 --> 00:54:08.743
And I took a picture of it 'cause I
thought that is the perfect picture of
00:54:08.743 --> 00:54:10.463
what we allow to happen in the church.
00:54:10.463 --> 00:54:10.613
Mm-hmm.
00:54:10.613 --> 00:54:11.073
Yeah.
00:54:11.123 --> 00:54:13.263
You know, and then
somebody made this comment.
00:54:13.263 --> 00:54:17.033
I was telling, uh, telling them about
that board, and they said, "Yeah."
00:54:17.033 --> 00:54:19.223
He said, "Yeah, we have one
of those at our church, too."
00:54:19.223 --> 00:54:22.133
And he said, "You know, about the only
way you ever get off of it is to die."
00:54:23.443 --> 00:54:24.983
'Cause then you- I
mean … you've probably healing.
00:54:24.983 --> 00:54:27.323
Yeah, because we can't get
you through to healing.
00:54:27.573 --> 00:54:28.153
Yeah.
00:54:28.283 --> 00:54:29.253
Oh my goodness.
00:54:30.323 --> 00:54:34.373
So anyway, the only question is
whether believers will stand in
00:54:34.373 --> 00:54:39.613
their seated position and carry that
victory into a lived reality on earth.
00:54:39.623 --> 00:54:42.753
When believers, and here it is, when
believers fail to enforce Christ's
00:54:42.753 --> 00:54:45.543
victory, they do not negate it.
00:54:46.263 --> 00:54:48.793
They simply leave its benefits unapplied.
00:54:49.723 --> 00:54:50.903
Mm-hmm.
00:54:51.253 --> 00:54:51.423
That's sad.
00:54:51.423 --> 00:54:55.213
Until the believer speaks, stands,
and acts from that finished victory,
00:54:55.213 --> 00:55:02.813
the enemy continues to oper- occupy
ground that he no longer legally owns.
00:55:04.573 --> 00:55:07.063
See, the cross was a
transaction of legality
00:55:09.387 --> 00:55:13.897
I mean, when Jesus said this, he said,
"It's finished," in Matthew-- or John 19.
00:55:14.817 --> 00:55:15.537
"It is finished."
00:55:15.537 --> 00:55:17.727
The word is tetelestai in the original.
00:55:18.587 --> 00:55:24.037
That word was used in the ancient world
on legal documents to show that a debt or
00:55:24.037 --> 00:55:27.077
an obligation had been fully satisfied.
00:55:27.607 --> 00:55:29.687
They would stamp that on documents.
00:55:30.197 --> 00:55:34.347
You pay off a debt, you pay off
your house or whatever, whatever,
00:55:34.427 --> 00:55:35.957
boom, tetelestai goes on it.
00:55:36.307 --> 00:55:38.017
That's what Jesus said from the cross.
00:55:38.827 --> 00:55:41.567
He wasn't saying, "I'm dying now."
00:55:41.827 --> 00:55:44.797
He's saying, "It is all
finished and done now."
00:55:45.347 --> 00:55:45.707
Yeah.
00:55:45.737 --> 00:55:49.177
I have come to fulfill the Father's will.
00:55:49.357 --> 00:55:51.307
At that moment, it was completely done.
00:55:51.927 --> 00:55:52.357
Mm.
00:55:52.657 --> 00:55:53.077
That's good.
00:55:53.407 --> 00:55:53.477
Yeah.
00:55:53.487 --> 00:55:54.867
And it was-- it's legal.
00:55:55.347 --> 00:55:58.497
And then what he did is that he
00:56:02.537 --> 00:56:03.187
Triumphed.
00:56:03.537 --> 00:56:07.387
The word is triumph in the New
Testament, which means a celebration.
00:56:07.387 --> 00:56:11.447
But see, a triumph, and you remember
you, you've watched the old, uh,
00:56:11.467 --> 00:56:13.327
movies from the Roman era, you know?
00:56:13.447 --> 00:56:13.547
Mm-hmm.
00:56:13.557 --> 00:56:17.807
Where, where that conquering general comes
down the street and he's parading all the
00:56:17.807 --> 00:56:21.277
people- Uh-huh … that he's captured, and
he's showing all the goods that he, that
00:56:21.277 --> 00:56:23.747
he's plundered and brought back to Rome.
00:56:23.967 --> 00:56:24.887
That's the triumph.
00:56:25.407 --> 00:56:29.267
The triumph takes place after the victory.
00:56:29.387 --> 00:56:29.477
Yeah.
00:56:29.767 --> 00:56:30.677
Not before.
00:56:31.217 --> 00:56:31.507
Right.
00:56:31.507 --> 00:56:31.677
See?
00:56:31.907 --> 00:56:35.087
And, and that's the image
that Paul uses, that when…
00:56:35.457 --> 00:56:38.267
So, so we're, we're
participating in a triumph.
00:56:38.627 --> 00:56:41.487
We're in the parade after
the victory's already won.
00:56:41.777 --> 00:56:42.307
Yeah.
00:56:42.407 --> 00:56:44.457
We're not in the one
that's trying to win one.
00:56:44.747 --> 00:56:44.847
Mm-hmm.
00:56:44.847 --> 00:56:45.527
It's already won.
00:56:46.307 --> 00:56:46.707
Okay.
00:56:46.707 --> 00:56:50.157
So everywhere the kingdom of darkness
holds ground, it's not legal.
00:56:50.527 --> 00:56:52.267
They're trespassing on God's property.
00:56:52.267 --> 00:56:53.707
It's our job to evict them.
00:56:56.727 --> 00:56:59.817
The New Testament never calls
believers to defeat the enemy.
00:56:59.947 --> 00:57:01.057
It calls them to stand.
00:57:01.057 --> 00:57:02.217
Here's the words it uses.
00:57:02.257 --> 00:57:03.517
You gotta stand against the enemy.
00:57:03.637 --> 00:57:04.737
You gotta resist the devil.
00:57:04.737 --> 00:57:05.497
He'll flee from you.
00:57:05.677 --> 00:57:06.847
You have to bind the enemy.
00:57:06.987 --> 00:57:09.627
You have to loose the enemy, and
you have to ekballo is the New
00:57:09.627 --> 00:57:11.107
Testament word, cast him out.
00:57:11.917 --> 00:57:12.247
Yeah.
00:57:12.347 --> 00:57:14.687
That's what it tells you to do-
Mm-hmm … to the kingdom of darkness.
00:57:15.947 --> 00:57:20.947
So prayer is the act
of delegated authority.
00:57:21.587 --> 00:57:25.157
Remember what Jesus said, "I gave you
power over all the power of the enemy."
00:57:25.777 --> 00:57:28.117
I think that's Luke 10,
10:19, I think it is.
00:57:29.947 --> 00:57:33.447
See, this is where the, the,
the, the text gets important.
00:57:34.427 --> 00:57:37.187
We get two English words, power and power.
00:57:37.187 --> 00:57:38.137
They're two different words.
00:57:38.887 --> 00:57:44.237
I give you ex- exousia, which means
delegated legal authority over
00:57:44.237 --> 00:57:46.267
all the dunamis, all the power.
00:57:46.817 --> 00:57:49.377
See, dunamis means dynamite- Mm-hmm.
00:57:49.377 --> 00:57:50.307
Mm-hmm … or power.
00:57:51.327 --> 00:57:57.423
I give you delegated authority over
all the power of the enemy I'm legal.
00:57:57.843 --> 00:57:58.203
Yeah.
00:57:58.713 --> 00:58:01.903
So I can confront the kingdom of
darkness with the finished work of the
00:58:01.903 --> 00:58:09.003
cross and say, "Hey, you're leaving
because you, demon, are defeated,
00:58:09.523 --> 00:58:10.723
and you have no legal right here."
00:58:11.073 --> 00:58:11.483
Yeah.
00:58:12.493 --> 00:58:15.103
And I pray the same way when I'm
praying for somebody to be healed.
00:58:15.703 --> 00:58:19.813
"You illegal trespasser of sickness
and infirmity, whatever you are, I come
00:58:19.813 --> 00:58:21.173
against you in the mighty name of Jesus.
00:58:21.173 --> 00:58:23.183
I command you to get out
of that person's body."
00:58:23.723 --> 00:58:24.063
Yeah.
00:58:24.353 --> 00:58:25.993
You wanna see prayers
that work for healing?
00:58:25.993 --> 00:58:26.923
Start praying like that.
00:58:27.223 --> 00:58:27.503
Yeah.
00:58:27.523 --> 00:58:27.813
Yeah.
00:58:27.843 --> 00:58:28.513
What do we do?
00:58:28.533 --> 00:58:31.273
"Oh, God, comfort this person."
00:58:31.283 --> 00:58:31.303
Yeah.
00:58:31.313 --> 00:58:32.113
"Please heal this person."
00:58:32.113 --> 00:58:33.413
"Oh, God, please send down."
00:58:33.423 --> 00:58:33.863
Yeah.
00:58:35.323 --> 00:58:36.683
He's already come down.
00:58:38.263 --> 00:58:38.713
Yeah.
00:58:39.123 --> 00:58:39.493
Mm-hmm.
00:58:39.803 --> 00:58:40.913
You're already healed.
00:58:41.763 --> 00:58:43.913
That's the great revelation of prayer.
00:58:45.553 --> 00:58:49.083
We have to enforce, and we do
that by using the name of Jesus.
00:58:50.643 --> 00:58:51.903
It's the legal instrument.
00:58:52.413 --> 00:58:54.903
"In my name, they'll cast
out devils," Mark 16:17.
00:58:54.913 --> 00:58:55.613
"In my name."
00:58:56.383 --> 00:58:59.843
The spirit, under my legal
jurisdiction, people don't…
00:58:59.853 --> 00:59:03.733
They, they use that phrase so loosely,
don't even understand what it means.
00:59:04.853 --> 00:59:09.073
In the name of Jesus, in the legal
authority of who he is, what he has, and
00:59:09.073 --> 00:59:15.823
he's authorized me to demonstrate it to
the world, then yeah, that's how it works.
00:59:15.823 --> 00:59:17.643
So, so take your seat.
00:59:18.663 --> 00:59:21.963
Number one, prayers that work, and
this is why prayers don't work,
00:59:21.973 --> 00:59:23.303
'cause people are not in their seat.
00:59:23.313 --> 00:59:23.933
They don't know.
00:59:25.153 --> 00:59:26.673
And then, but take your seat.
00:59:26.683 --> 00:59:30.393
Speak in the name of Jesus, a legal
instrument of heaven's authority, then
00:59:30.403 --> 00:59:32.503
wield the rhema, the sword of the Spirit.
00:59:32.753 --> 00:59:33.343
Remember that?
00:59:33.663 --> 00:59:33.873
Mm-hmm.
00:59:33.873 --> 00:59:36.893
Against the lies, the accusational
press, and then resist the devil,
00:59:36.893 --> 00:59:38.463
stand against him until he flees.
00:59:39.113 --> 00:59:40.693
So we enforce the victory.
00:59:41.453 --> 00:59:43.283
And then, then I'll close
it with this last chapter.
00:59:43.283 --> 00:59:45.793
I'm persuaded without
hesitation, without apology.
00:59:46.583 --> 00:59:50.713
This chapter exposes the primary
catastrophic reason multitude of
00:59:50.713 --> 00:59:54.263
sincere believers continue to pray
prayers that simply do not work.
00:59:54.813 --> 00:59:58.133
There's a fault line running beneath
the prayer lives of God's people, a
00:59:58.133 --> 01:00:02.563
breach through which authority leaks,
confidence collapses, expectation
01:00:02.563 --> 01:00:05.143
withers, and prayer remains unanswered.
01:00:05.473 --> 01:00:09.913
There's a hidden sabotage, one issue that
has quietly neutralized the prayers of the
01:00:09.913 --> 01:00:16.241
church, leaving believers to wonder why
heaven seems unmoved Church is full of it.
01:00:16.711 --> 01:00:21.411
The most overlooked reality in the life
of prayer is this: if you refuse to engage
01:00:21.411 --> 01:00:26.621
the enemy in spiritual warfare where
your prayers are moving and where you are
01:00:26.621 --> 01:00:32.721
seated, your prayers will be resisted,
delayed, and in some cases rendered
01:00:32.831 --> 01:00:38.321
ineffective, not because God is unwilling,
because the believer is ignoring the
01:00:38.401 --> 01:00:42.001
battlefield on which prayer operates.
01:00:42.341 --> 01:00:42.831
Wow.
01:00:43.251 --> 01:00:43.441
Hmm.
01:00:43.721 --> 01:00:44.171
That's good.
01:00:44.191 --> 01:00:45.121
That's the root of it
01:00:50.223 --> 01:00:50.743
Okay.
01:00:50.773 --> 01:00:56.433
If we free, if we refuse to acknowledge
the fight, we'll pray politely while
01:00:56.433 --> 01:00:58.653
the enemy resists aggressively.
01:00:59.243 --> 01:01:03.773
We will pray devotionally while
the enemy operates strategically.
01:01:03.783 --> 01:01:03.803
Yeah.
01:01:04.393 --> 01:01:05.323
See, Paul said this.
01:01:05.323 --> 01:01:07.953
He said, "We're not ignorant
of the, of Satan's devices."
01:01:08.793 --> 01:01:11.493
The word is strategy, stratagems.
01:01:11.793 --> 01:01:12.163
Yeah.
01:01:12.343 --> 01:01:13.373
He has a strategy.
01:01:13.603 --> 01:01:15.023
They operate things-
Mm-hmm … against you.
01:01:16.003 --> 01:01:21.373
I'm, I, I can tell you sometimes, and I
won't, but where- … where it, it was
01:01:21.373 --> 01:01:23.073
not happenstance that something happened.
01:01:23.243 --> 01:01:25.053
Something happened or
something came against us.
01:01:25.053 --> 01:01:27.013
It's just like, how did that happen?
01:01:27.023 --> 01:01:29.133
Boy, what a time to drop that on my life.
01:01:29.793 --> 01:01:33.053
We will pray from the earth while
the enemy occupies the heavens.
01:01:33.283 --> 01:01:35.653
Ignoring warfare does not remove warfare.
01:01:35.653 --> 01:01:37.913
It only removes our
effectiveness within it.
01:01:38.283 --> 01:01:42.063
And when that happens, our prayers
lack authority because authority
01:01:42.093 --> 01:01:45.183
must be exercised, not assumed.
01:01:45.873 --> 01:01:46.823
Those prayers don't work.
01:01:47.253 --> 01:01:47.643
Yeah.
01:01:48.333 --> 01:01:48.833
They don't work.
01:01:49.533 --> 01:01:52.583
Your prayers will lack direction
because they're not aimed at the real
01:01:52.593 --> 01:01:56.885
source of resistance They don't work.
01:01:57.195 --> 01:01:59.845
Your prayers will lack breakthrough
because breakthroughs require
01:01:59.845 --> 01:02:05.865
confrontation, and your prayers will lack
enforcement because enforcement is the
01:02:07.295 --> 01:02:09.855
believer's responsibility, not God's.
01:02:10.845 --> 01:02:11.365
Yeah.
01:02:11.995 --> 01:02:13.275
This is the truth of this thing.
01:02:14.585 --> 01:02:18.185
When the believer avoids resistance,
the enemy's granted illegal occupation,
01:02:18.485 --> 01:02:20.575
not by right, but by silence.
01:02:21.155 --> 01:02:21.555
Yeah.
01:02:22.275 --> 01:02:23.775
And I'll touch this just for a second.
01:02:23.805 --> 01:02:27.065
I've got another book that I'm,
I finished called "The Commanding
01:02:27.065 --> 01:02:30.165
Voice," the voice of command.
01:02:31.325 --> 01:02:34.565
Okay, this gets a little technical,
but you, you, you'll catch it.
01:02:35.545 --> 01:02:39.365
In the New Testament language,
there's a thing, the verbs have
01:02:39.365 --> 01:02:42.965
what is the verb or the actions
have what's called a mood, M-O-O-D.
01:02:43.335 --> 01:02:45.105
I'm in a certain mood.
01:02:46.265 --> 01:02:46.365
Yeah.
01:02:46.365 --> 01:02:49.525
There's these, the coolest moods
ever in, in New Testament language,
01:02:50.235 --> 01:02:55.815
and one of those moods, interesting
enough, is called the imperative.
01:02:56.605 --> 01:03:01.135
Remember when I, I said that Jesus said,
um, "Kingdom of God come and will of
01:03:01.135 --> 01:03:02.895
God be done," that it's a birth word.
01:03:02.905 --> 01:03:03.145
Mm-hmm.
01:03:03.805 --> 01:03:07.765
It's, uh, that come is imperative.
01:03:07.765 --> 01:03:09.165
It's a command.
01:03:09.615 --> 01:03:09.825
Mm-hmm.
01:03:09.825 --> 01:03:09.925
Okay.
01:03:09.925 --> 01:03:11.105
And here's what's fascinating.
01:03:11.315 --> 01:03:14.055
You study every, every
word that Jesus speaks.
01:03:14.055 --> 01:03:17.705
Every time he heals, comes, cast
out a demon or anything else, every
01:03:17.705 --> 01:03:21.445
single time the Greek text will
shift into the imperative mood.
01:03:21.445 --> 01:03:22.395
It's a command.
01:03:22.775 --> 01:03:23.115
Mm.
01:03:23.675 --> 01:03:23.955
Okay.
01:03:24.185 --> 01:03:25.105
Come out of him.
01:03:25.675 --> 01:03:26.015
Yeah.
01:03:26.135 --> 01:03:27.495
Take up your bed and walk.
01:03:28.215 --> 01:03:28.555
Yeah.
01:03:28.635 --> 01:03:29.015
Yeah.
01:03:29.245 --> 01:03:30.615
Stretch out your hand.
01:03:31.205 --> 01:03:33.575
Imperative every time.
01:03:33.575 --> 01:03:34.515
It's not a request.
01:03:34.705 --> 01:03:35.785
It's not a request.
01:03:36.025 --> 01:03:36.245
Yeah.
01:03:36.245 --> 01:03:37.245
It's a command.
01:03:37.555 --> 01:03:40.255
And when, and when Jesus said
this, the greatest teaching he ever
01:03:40.265 --> 01:03:48.575
gave is Mark 11:23 and 24, "When
you pray, speak to the mountain."
01:03:48.895 --> 01:03:50.605
It's in the co- imperative.
01:03:51.315 --> 01:03:52.925
You command the mountain.
01:03:54.045 --> 01:03:54.795
Come out.
01:03:55.275 --> 01:03:56.015
Be moved.
01:03:57.575 --> 01:03:57.875
Right?
01:03:57.915 --> 01:03:59.035
That's good.
01:03:59.095 --> 01:03:59.450
That's good.
01:03:59.450 --> 01:03:59.735
That's so good.
01:03:59.735 --> 01:03:59.865
Yeah.
01:03:59.865 --> 01:04:02.145
And that's what the
disciples learned that.
01:04:02.195 --> 01:04:05.145
I mean, Paul looks at a dude and
says, "Stand up on your feet."
01:04:05.345 --> 01:04:06.115
The imperative.
01:04:06.915 --> 01:04:07.245
Yeah.
01:04:07.315 --> 01:04:08.105
Command talk.
01:04:08.415 --> 01:04:08.735
Yeah.
01:04:08.895 --> 01:04:09.965
Kingdom of God come.
01:04:10.455 --> 01:04:11.335
It's in the imperative.
01:04:11.775 --> 01:04:12.075
Yeah.
01:04:12.145 --> 01:04:12.905
Command it.
01:04:13.375 --> 01:04:15.475
This is- Command it … so good.
01:04:15.475 --> 01:04:15.965
Yeah.
01:04:17.145 --> 01:04:18.225
Because- I feel so dumb.
01:04:18.345 --> 01:04:20.155
Here's, because here's the deal.
01:04:22.195 --> 01:04:23.035
Here's the deal.
01:04:23.905 --> 01:04:25.235
Can I give you another insight?
01:04:26.775 --> 01:04:31.625
Speak to the mountain, and
then he says, "It will be…
01:04:32.515 --> 01:04:33.355
It will move."
01:04:33.955 --> 01:04:34.725
It'll be cast into…
01:04:34.765 --> 01:04:35.115
Right?
01:04:35.255 --> 01:04:35.505
Yeah.
01:04:35.515 --> 01:04:35.865
Mm-hmm.
01:04:37.275 --> 01:04:44.445
That construction is, um, the passive
01:04:46.445 --> 01:04:49.085
And in other words, there's active…
01:04:49.295 --> 01:04:50.955
See, it, it's called voice.
01:04:52.395 --> 01:04:56.775
If it's active, it's showing
me who's doing the action.
01:04:57.185 --> 01:04:57.645
Mm-hmm.
01:04:57.795 --> 01:05:02.695
In other words, if I say, "I hit Joe"-
Right … I did that, then that's active.
01:05:03.855 --> 01:05:03.875
Yeah.
01:05:03.885 --> 01:05:08.475
If Joe hit me- Yeah … that's passive.
01:05:08.845 --> 01:05:09.075
Yeah.
01:05:09.635 --> 01:05:09.945
Yeah.
01:05:09.975 --> 01:05:10.445
Right?
01:05:10.965 --> 01:05:10.985
Yeah.
01:05:10.985 --> 01:05:17.265
That means the action was done by
somebody else, but it affected me.
01:05:17.355 --> 01:05:17.635
Yeah.
01:05:17.675 --> 01:05:18.035
Right.
01:05:18.115 --> 01:05:23.475
And that's, that, the
mountain moves, is passive.
01:05:24.145 --> 01:05:30.125
It means I speak it,
and then God moves it.
01:05:30.475 --> 01:05:30.825
Mm.
01:05:30.835 --> 01:05:31.315
Yeah.
01:05:31.675 --> 01:05:32.475
I don't move it.
01:05:34.285 --> 01:05:34.335
He does.
01:05:34.345 --> 01:05:35.485
But you have to speak it.
01:05:35.575 --> 01:05:35.855
I…
01:05:36.285 --> 01:05:41.025
one of the most fascinating words,
Hebrews 4:12, that the word of God
01:05:41.025 --> 01:05:43.095
is powerful, you know, all that.
01:05:43.195 --> 01:05:43.655
Mm-hmm.
01:05:43.695 --> 01:05:45.705
And it's called a two-edged sword.
01:05:46.765 --> 01:05:50.155
In Revelation 1, Jesus has a
two-edged sword coming out of his…
01:05:50.495 --> 01:05:50.665
Right?
01:05:50.675 --> 01:05:50.825
Mm-hmm.
01:05:50.825 --> 01:05:51.615
I believe that's, yeah.
01:05:51.705 --> 01:05:52.185
Yes.
01:05:52.285 --> 01:05:53.575
Two-edged sword out of his mouth.
01:05:53.965 --> 01:05:56.685
Okay, this two-edged thing is one
of the fascinating words around.
01:05:57.145 --> 01:05:59.415
It, it is, it, it's pronounced di.
01:05:59.725 --> 01:06:00.815
D-I means two.
01:06:00.885 --> 01:06:02.155
Mm-hmm.
01:06:02.155 --> 01:06:03.955
It's one of those
wonderful little prefixes.
01:06:03.955 --> 01:06:05.545
It divides di, two.
01:06:06.035 --> 01:06:08.595
Stoma, which means mouth.
01:06:09.675 --> 01:06:12.265
It's a two-mouthed sword.
01:06:13.395 --> 01:06:18.375
In the ancient world, if a harbor had
two entrances, it was called distoma.
01:06:19.545 --> 01:06:20.855
It's about agency.
01:06:20.855 --> 01:06:22.255
It's about direction.
01:06:22.315 --> 01:06:23.845
It's about something moving
01:06:26.269 --> 01:06:30.369
The Word of God is a two-mouthed sword.
01:06:31.749 --> 01:06:33.089
Guess whose mouths?
01:06:33.729 --> 01:06:36.989
His and mine.
01:06:36.999 --> 01:06:37.509
Yeah.
01:06:38.749 --> 01:06:43.679
See, people don't understand that silence
is consent to the kingdom of darkness.
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:45.629
It will not move unless you speak to it.
01:06:45.989 --> 01:06:48.699
Yeah, and how many times have we
said, "I just don't-- I've prayed.
01:06:48.699 --> 01:06:50.039
I can't pray anymore."
01:06:50.329 --> 01:06:51.599
It's exactly where he wants you.
01:06:51.739 --> 01:06:52.869
Yeah, exactly.
01:06:53.989 --> 01:06:54.379
Yeah.
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.469
And so you speak to the mountain
01:07:00.037 --> 01:07:04.687
Or the old classic thing says,
"Don't tell God about your mountain,
01:07:04.687 --> 01:07:05.667
tell your mountain about God."
01:07:05.687 --> 01:07:06.177
Yeah.
01:07:06.327 --> 01:07:06.607
Yeah.
01:07:06.607 --> 01:07:11.417
And so it's, it's a diastoma
thing that has to take place.
01:07:12.947 --> 01:07:13.077
That's so good.
01:07:13.077 --> 01:07:13.907
You have to speak to it.
01:07:14.227 --> 01:07:15.037
That's good.
01:07:15.897 --> 01:07:18.377
I feel like you've been practicing
a lot of psychological warfare,
01:07:18.377 --> 01:07:20.117
but maybe not, like, strategic.
01:07:20.277 --> 01:07:20.637
Yeah.
01:07:20.637 --> 01:07:20.917
You know what I mean?
01:07:20.937 --> 01:07:20.957
Yeah.
01:07:20.957 --> 01:07:25.267
Like, 'cause we talk all the time
and kind of almost make light
01:07:25.327 --> 01:07:27.967
of poking fun with, like, the…
01:07:28.157 --> 01:07:32.317
You said it the other day, um, when you
were talking about how, like, sometimes
01:07:32.317 --> 01:07:36.707
when you are dealing with a harassing
spirit or whatever, and you're just
01:07:36.707 --> 01:07:39.407
like, "How's it feel to never have
another-" Yeah … "second chance?"
01:07:39.557 --> 01:07:40.427
Well, it talks to me.
01:07:40.437 --> 01:07:40.897
You know?
01:07:40.897 --> 01:07:42.587
You know, like at one time I
was, like, getting ready in the
01:07:42.587 --> 01:07:47.157
bathroom and just thoughts of,
like, you know, pressing thoughts.
01:07:47.937 --> 01:07:50.057
And then I was realizing, "Oh,
this is a harassing spirit."
01:07:50.557 --> 01:07:50.587
Yes.
01:07:50.597 --> 01:07:53.197
So I was like, "Well, you talk
to me, so I'll just talk to you.
01:07:53.997 --> 01:07:56.197
You're never gonna get a
second chance, and I will.
01:07:56.277 --> 01:07:57.957
I can have as many chances as I want.
01:07:58.257 --> 01:07:58.997
How's that feel?"
01:07:59.557 --> 01:08:00.267
And it left.
01:08:00.357 --> 01:08:00.567
Yeah.
01:08:00.567 --> 01:08:00.954
You know?
01:08:00.954 --> 01:08:02.267
It, it didn't wanna hear it.
01:08:02.867 --> 01:08:04.007
I just felt it leave.
01:08:05.027 --> 01:08:05.907
But- Yeah
01:08:05.907 --> 01:08:07.657
I should've been more sh-
uh, stronger, I guess.
01:08:07.667 --> 01:08:07.937
Like…
01:08:08.537 --> 01:08:08.757
I don't know.
01:08:08.757 --> 01:08:10.587
I mean, I don't know.
01:08:10.587 --> 01:08:13.257
Sometimes I just feel like it left.
01:08:13.317 --> 01:08:13.867
Yeah, it left.
01:08:13.867 --> 01:08:14.587
I mean, it worked.
01:08:14.587 --> 01:08:14.947
Yeah.
01:08:15.587 --> 01:08:15.667
It left.
01:08:15.777 --> 01:08:17.107
But maybe…
01:08:17.817 --> 01:08:22.807
I guess w- I, I need to be better
about identifying on the front side
01:08:22.807 --> 01:08:25.457
of it and just, like, shooing it away.
01:08:25.867 --> 01:08:26.077
Yeah.
01:08:26.087 --> 01:08:26.917
Like, "You're done.
01:08:26.947 --> 01:08:27.947
You don't have any power here."
01:08:27.957 --> 01:08:27.977
Yeah.
01:08:27.977 --> 01:08:28.487
"You don't have the authority.
01:08:28.487 --> 01:08:28.887
Get out."
01:08:28.907 --> 01:08:29.077
Yes.
01:08:29.277 --> 01:08:30.447
"You have no legal right here."
01:08:30.467 --> 01:08:30.897
Yep.
01:08:31.037 --> 01:08:31.377
Yeah.
01:08:31.427 --> 01:08:32.437
That's really good.
01:08:32.647 --> 01:08:33.067
Yeah.
01:08:33.617 --> 01:08:37.657
So you begin to recognize, Paul
said, "We're not ignorant of
01:08:37.657 --> 01:08:39.407
his devices or strategies."
01:08:40.057 --> 01:08:41.777
You begin to recognize
when the enemy's at work.
01:08:41.787 --> 01:08:45.327
Several years ago, I was on staff
at Fellowship of Christian, the
01:08:45.327 --> 01:08:48.537
executive pastor, and there's a fellow
over there named Travis Arterberry.
01:08:48.537 --> 01:08:49.027
Mm-hmm.
01:08:49.077 --> 01:08:49.897
Travis Arterberry.
01:08:49.897 --> 01:08:50.207
Yeah.
01:08:50.417 --> 01:08:51.467
Remarkable dude.
01:08:51.687 --> 01:08:55.997
For, like, 40 years he's been praying
with people for freedom, for deliverance
01:08:56.007 --> 01:09:01.037
from all sorts of life-altering
things, demonic manifestations,
01:09:01.037 --> 01:09:01.867
and all this kind of stuff.
01:09:01.867 --> 01:09:05.767
He says, "Thomas, I want you to come
and join me one night when I minister."
01:09:06.637 --> 01:09:11.877
Now look, I got saved in high
school at 20 years of age.
01:09:11.907 --> 01:09:13.347
We were at Arkansas State.
01:09:13.817 --> 01:09:18.117
Uh, I got my credentials, started my
credentials with the Assemblies of God.
01:09:18.117 --> 01:09:19.577
We became a campus pastor.
01:09:19.577 --> 01:09:20.837
I grew up in the Assemblies.
01:09:20.837 --> 01:09:27.497
I came to First Assembly in 1988 and so I
was aware of, quote, "spiritual warfare."
01:09:27.497 --> 01:09:30.797
I had some understanding, you
know, or whatever, but Travis
01:09:30.807 --> 01:09:33.387
invites me into his session.
01:09:33.467 --> 01:09:38.137
And there's a guy there who's just
got all sorts of emotional, spiritual
01:09:38.147 --> 01:09:39.657
bondages going on in his life.
01:09:40.097 --> 01:09:42.107
And Travis says, "Well,
tell me your story."
01:09:42.107 --> 01:09:45.017
And he's lis- he's just listening to the
guy and he's over there, he's writing
01:09:45.017 --> 01:09:50.918
down stuff like he, he's discerning the,
the legal ground that the enemy occupies.
01:09:50.947 --> 01:09:52.697
You know, I find out- Mm-hmm
… later exactly what he's doing.
01:09:52.697 --> 01:09:53.217
I didn't know.
01:09:54.007 --> 01:09:56.117
But, uh, so he says, "Okay."
01:09:56.997 --> 01:10:01.097
So they get up, him and another
guy, he's got a partner, Dr.
01:10:01.097 --> 01:10:06.127
Ken Shores is his partner, and
they lay hands on the guy, and they
01:10:06.127 --> 01:10:11.847
start calling out by name these
demons and principalities and powers
01:10:11.847 --> 01:10:13.187
that are afflicting this dude.
01:10:13.988 --> 01:10:16.227
And I mean, they're going to war with it.
01:10:16.238 --> 01:10:18.137
"You come out of the guy
in the name of Jesus.
01:10:18.137 --> 01:10:22.537
I come against you with the sword of the
spirit, and I sever every relationship
01:10:22.557 --> 01:10:23.847
you've got in that man's soul.
01:10:24.037 --> 01:10:26.137
I command you to come out," and whatever.
01:10:26.148 --> 01:10:28.077
And I'm just, Kerrye, I'm
just like a fly on the wall.
01:10:28.087 --> 01:10:29.237
Like you're like, "Ooh."
01:10:29.477 --> 01:10:32.037
And I'm over there- … and I'm saying
01:10:34.371 --> 01:10:38.181
Holy Spirit, is this how this works?
01:10:39.391 --> 01:10:39.951
I didn't know.
01:10:40.401 --> 01:10:40.781
Yeah.
01:10:41.391 --> 01:10:42.811
Well, I mean, we don't
know what we don't know.
01:10:43.001 --> 01:10:43.331
Yeah.
01:10:43.761 --> 01:10:44.491
I didn't know.
01:10:44.882 --> 01:10:45.141
Yeah.
01:10:48.091 --> 01:10:51.491
They carry on with that guy,
and I'm telling you, that guy,
01:10:52.511 --> 01:10:54.121
when they got done, he left.
01:10:55.211 --> 01:10:57.571
And Sunday morning, this was on
Thursday night, on Sunday morning, I'm
01:10:57.571 --> 01:11:00.031
standing in the foyer of the church,
a guy comes in, he makes a beeline
01:11:00.031 --> 01:11:03.191
over to me, and he starts telling
me all the amazing things that have
01:11:03.191 --> 01:11:04.951
happened in his life since that night.
01:11:05.631 --> 01:11:08.681
And I was like, "I need to know this."
01:11:09.421 --> 01:11:09.771
Yeah.
01:11:10.521 --> 01:11:14.382
And that man, Travis
Hardberry, opened my eyes.
01:11:14.382 --> 01:11:15.801
I don't know everything about it.
01:11:16.331 --> 01:11:19.151
I know that, I just
know that it's warfare.
01:11:19.651 --> 01:11:22.001
And, you know, you can debate
the theology, and there's
01:11:22.011 --> 01:11:22.841
plenty of it out there.
01:11:22.841 --> 01:11:26.911
Well, a demon, you can't- Yeah … be in
a Christian, a Christian can't have one.
01:11:27.351 --> 01:11:27.731
You know?
01:11:27.941 --> 01:11:29.071
Well, I don't know.
01:11:29.101 --> 01:11:31.241
I mean, the great Jack
Hayford's one of my heroes.
01:11:31.551 --> 01:11:33.621
Jack Hayford said this about all that.
01:11:33.621 --> 01:11:36.791
He said, "Well, I don't know
where they are as far as a demon
01:11:36.791 --> 01:11:38.121
and a Christian is involved."
01:11:38.701 --> 01:11:41.502
He said, "I don't believe they're
in their spirit, but, uh, they're
01:11:41.502 --> 01:11:45.431
somewhere and, and all I can say
is they are in when they're in."
01:11:46.012 --> 01:11:48.132
And, and I have found
that to be a reality.
01:11:48.211 --> 01:11:48.561
Mm-hmm.
01:11:48.561 --> 01:11:48.841
Yeah.
01:11:48.841 --> 01:11:54.081
I don't know if they're actually, uh,
in your flesh at some level perhaps,
01:11:54.591 --> 01:11:57.791
or what, you know- Yeah … probably
more embedded into your soul or, but
01:11:57.792 --> 01:12:00.721
I think they're really probably mainly
up here because that's what I see in
01:12:00.722 --> 01:12:05.671
2 Corinthians 4:4, the enemy has the
ability to blind the mind of unbelievers.
01:12:05.691 --> 01:12:08.271
Now, that doesn't just mean
those that are- Yeah … unsaved.
01:12:08.281 --> 01:12:11.751
See, like the word faith
is pistis, P-I-S-T-I-S.
01:12:11.751 --> 01:12:15.291
If I put a alpha, which is the first
letter of the alphabet, on the front of
01:12:15.292 --> 01:12:18.172
a, a verb, then it negates what follows.
01:12:18.341 --> 01:12:19.201
And so that's what you get.
01:12:19.201 --> 01:12:22.721
An unbeliever, which translated
unbeliever, that word there is apistis.
01:12:22.722 --> 01:12:23.792
It's the opposite of faith.
01:12:24.861 --> 01:12:25.221
Yeah.
01:12:25.511 --> 01:12:29.011
So that's not just for people that
are unsaved, and that word comes
01:12:29.011 --> 01:12:31.491
out, usually comes out as unbelief.
01:12:31.571 --> 01:12:31.931
Mm-hmm.
01:12:31.931 --> 01:12:32.291
Yeah.
01:12:32.431 --> 01:12:33.581
And, and that's accurate.
01:12:33.591 --> 01:12:37.222
So we don't have faith problems,
we have unbelief problems.
01:12:37.222 --> 01:12:37.602
Yeah.
01:12:37.641 --> 01:12:40.502
And all that's what really limits
God in all of our lives is not…
01:12:40.611 --> 01:12:42.031
I mean, we're given a measure of faith.
01:12:42.031 --> 01:12:42.752
I've got faith.
01:12:42.752 --> 01:12:44.402
Everybody believes God can.
01:12:45.021 --> 01:12:46.482
They're just not certain that he will.
01:12:46.512 --> 01:12:46.902
Yeah.
01:12:46.902 --> 01:12:46.961
Yeah.
01:12:46.961 --> 01:12:47.881
They have unbelief.
01:12:47.921 --> 01:12:49.371
There's a difference between
believing and trusting.
01:12:49.421 --> 01:12:49.741
Yes.
01:12:49.741 --> 01:12:51.191
That's, that's the challenge.
01:12:51.251 --> 01:12:51.281
Yep.
01:12:51.821 --> 01:12:58.391
And so, uh, the enemy can influence
the mind by casting doubt.
01:12:58.431 --> 01:13:02.882
Remember what James says, "If a
man doubts, let not that man think
01:13:02.882 --> 01:13:04.251
he'll receive anything from God."
01:13:04.251 --> 01:13:04.882
It won't happen.
01:13:05.691 --> 01:13:08.262
Doubt, now can I break
that word right quick?
01:13:08.262 --> 01:13:08.492
Yeah.
01:13:08.501 --> 01:13:08.711
Yeah.
01:13:08.831 --> 01:13:08.921
Diakrino.
01:13:09.012 --> 01:13:13.732
D-I-A, there's no beautiful prefix.
01:13:14.482 --> 01:13:15.991
We get a like diameter or dia-
01:13:18.757 --> 01:13:21.027
Dia means divided.
01:13:21.707 --> 01:13:23.147
Krino is judgment.
01:13:23.517 --> 01:13:27.037
So a doubt is when I, when I
have two judgments operating
01:13:27.037 --> 01:13:28.637
concurrently within my mind.
01:13:28.967 --> 01:13:29.847
Well, God might.
01:13:29.847 --> 01:13:31.607
Well, I'm not sure that he will.
01:13:32.607 --> 01:13:33.727
Well, I hope he will.
01:13:33.727 --> 01:13:35.057
Well, I think he will.
01:13:35.567 --> 01:13:36.377
Back and forth.
01:13:36.387 --> 01:13:36.418
Mm-hmm.
01:13:36.427 --> 01:13:38.457
You have divided judgment.
01:13:38.547 --> 01:13:38.867
Yeah.
01:13:38.907 --> 01:13:39.327
Yeah.
01:13:39.427 --> 01:13:43.447
And that's what-- that's the root of
unbelief- Mm-hmm … a divided judgment.
01:13:43.447 --> 01:13:44.257
Hmm.
01:13:44.257 --> 01:13:46.667
And then here's another fascinating thing.
01:13:46.668 --> 01:13:53.197
James will go on, and then he will define
that divided judgment as a position,
01:13:53.618 --> 01:13:58.127
and he says that that guy is, um…
01:13:58.647 --> 01:14:01.997
And he used the word disouke.
01:14:02.007 --> 01:14:05.707
He's got two souls within him
01:14:09.382 --> 01:14:13.552
Two souls, two- House divided … mind,
wills, and emotion going- Yeah … two
01:14:13.552 --> 01:14:16.382
different ways- Yeah … at the same time.
01:14:16.441 --> 01:14:19.801
And I'm trying to think that,
uh, what is that exact English
01:14:19.802 --> 01:14:21.712
word that he uses right there?
01:14:24.449 --> 01:14:27.139
Um- Look it up … oh,
he is double-minded.
01:14:27.150 --> 01:14:27.480
Yeah.
01:14:27.549 --> 01:14:27.779
Yeah.
01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:27.889
Yeah.
01:14:27.889 --> 01:14:28.579
That, that's the word I'm looking for.
01:14:28.599 --> 01:14:29.239
Unstable.
01:14:29.419 --> 01:14:31.239
Yeah, yeah, unstable in all his ways.
01:14:31.249 --> 01:14:31.480
Yeah.
01:14:31.559 --> 01:14:32.599
Yeah, double-minded.
01:14:32.609 --> 01:14:36.489
Yeah, Daisuke, he's got two different
minds operating within his soul, and
01:14:36.489 --> 01:14:42.029
that's the condition of one who's trapped
in unbelief or diakrino- Huh … doubt.
01:14:43.596 --> 01:14:45.596
So, uh, that- that's
where the struggle is.
01:14:45.596 --> 01:14:45.635
Mm-hmm.
01:14:45.635 --> 01:14:49.115
That's where the struggle is,
is, you know, to, to learn how to
01:14:49.155 --> 01:14:50.436
get the doubt out of your life.
01:14:50.455 --> 01:14:50.815
Yeah.
01:14:50.965 --> 01:14:52.105
That's really interesting.
01:14:52.215 --> 01:14:52.625
It is.
01:14:52.675 --> 01:14:53.205
That's really…
01:14:54.615 --> 01:14:56.846
We're gonna have to have you back on
to talk about more stuff . I'm gonna
01:14:56.846 --> 01:14:59.736
ha- I'm telling you what, like, I'm
so glad I get to edit this- Yeah
01:14:59.745 --> 01:15:02.155
… 'cause I'm gonna be able to, like,
digest- Chew on it … it all again.
01:15:02.165 --> 01:15:03.715
Where can people get your books?
01:15:03.825 --> 01:15:05.295
Well, I have a website.
01:15:05.295 --> 01:15:07.686
I, I, I give every- I try to give-
We'll put it on there … everything
01:15:07.686 --> 01:15:09.385
away, so- Yeah … there's that.
01:15:09.385 --> 01:15:09.995
Oh, thanks.
01:15:10.346 --> 01:15:10.465
Yes.
01:15:10.535 --> 01:15:11.315
Um- Thanks.
01:15:11.415 --> 01:15:12.155
What's the website?
01:15:12.645 --> 01:15:13.705
Uh, Thomas T.
01:15:13.715 --> 01:15:14.936
Hale, H-A-L-E.
01:15:14.936 --> 01:15:16.536
Thomas as in Theodore.
01:15:16.595 --> 01:15:17.795
Up- ThomasThale.com.
01:15:17.845 --> 01:15:18.105
Okay.
01:15:18.135 --> 01:15:18.495
Okay.
01:15:18.725 --> 01:15:21.135
And so, like, all my books
can be downloaded as PDFs-
01:15:21.135 --> 01:15:22.715
Mm-hmm … and printed like that.
01:15:22.715 --> 01:15:22.985
Yeah.
01:15:23.035 --> 01:15:23.235
Okay.
01:15:23.235 --> 01:15:26.775
I put them on Amazon, you know,
just so people, if they want an
01:15:26.775 --> 01:15:28.565
e-book, and I just put them down.
01:15:28.565 --> 01:15:30.645
I think the e-books are $2.99.
01:15:30.645 --> 01:15:33.595
That's as low as Amaz-
otherwise, I'd put them at zero.
01:15:33.595 --> 01:15:34.185
I don't care.
01:15:34.635 --> 01:15:34.865
Yeah.
01:15:34.905 --> 01:15:36.065
Uh, 2.99,
01:15:36.065 --> 01:15:40.115
and then the printed
books, I think 5, 4, 4.99.
01:15:40.115 --> 01:15:41.335
Or it's the lowest price.
01:15:41.385 --> 01:15:42.905
I think I make 75 cents.
01:15:42.945 --> 01:15:44.900
And it- You know, like, it was…
01:15:44.900 --> 01:15:45.425
It, it…
01:15:45.425 --> 01:15:48.195
My, I mean- This is not your,
this is not your retirement plan.
01:15:48.195 --> 01:15:48.465
No.
01:15:48.765 --> 01:15:49.165
Gotcha.
01:15:49.215 --> 01:15:49.795
It never was.
01:15:50.905 --> 01:15:53.815
No, and that's a whole nother story
about how- Yeah … enriched God
01:15:53.815 --> 01:15:56.925
has made our lives, uh, because
we served him all of our lives.
01:15:57.475 --> 01:15:57.745
Yeah.
01:15:57.745 --> 01:16:00.025
And so we just wanna give things away.
01:16:00.025 --> 01:16:01.185
I don't have an agenda.
01:16:01.395 --> 01:16:01.715
Yeah.
01:16:02.315 --> 01:16:03.905
Well- So all the PDFs are there.
01:16:03.905 --> 01:16:04.645
That one's not.
01:16:04.645 --> 01:16:05.825
I don't have that one up yet.
01:16:05.825 --> 01:16:07.165
I'm actually still working on that one.
01:16:07.175 --> 01:16:07.405
Yeah.
01:16:07.405 --> 01:16:07.652
All right.
01:16:07.652 --> 01:16:09.265
That was a good- Yeah … good sneak peek.
01:16:09.275 --> 01:16:10.255
Yeah, for sure.
01:16:10.805 --> 01:16:11.065
So.
01:16:11.095 --> 01:16:11.335
Yeah.
01:16:11.755 --> 01:16:14.155
I don't think that one's online
either, that one I gave you.
01:16:14.155 --> 01:16:14.865
Healing by the Word.
01:16:14.895 --> 01:16:16.925
Why Your Healing Services Don't Work.
01:16:17.155 --> 01:16:18.743
Well, if you- I, I hope that stirs
some things up … if y'all want
01:16:18.743 --> 01:16:20.705
it, you'll have to come see me
'cause I got a copy of it now.
01:16:22.715 --> 01:16:25.595
Well, thank you so much- Fair … for
being with us, and next time,
01:16:25.975 --> 01:16:27.485
Beth will talk the whole time.
01:16:27.555 --> 01:16:27.935
Right, Beth?
01:16:28.475 --> 01:16:30.045
She's just like, "No."
01:16:30.045 --> 01:16:31.135
She's like, "Absolutely not.
01:16:31.145 --> 01:16:31.635
Not doing it."
01:16:32.225 --> 01:16:33.295
I really enjoyed it.
01:16:33.295 --> 01:16:34.205
Really, really enjoyed it.
01:16:34.205 --> 01:16:37.345
Yeah, it was- Uh, when you were talking,
uh, I mean, I really did enjoy it, and
01:16:37.345 --> 01:16:38.855
I felt like, I felt like time went fast.
01:16:38.855 --> 01:16:42.095
But I remember my mind went here,
but I remember one time you got up to
01:16:42.095 --> 01:16:45.585
preach in big church, like with the
adults, 'cause you were a youth pastor.
01:16:45.915 --> 01:16:49.315
But you said, "Okay, I'm
used to talking to youth.
01:16:49.835 --> 01:16:51.195
Um, so this is…"
01:16:51.245 --> 01:16:54.115
He goes, "I'm gonna be like the chicken
that laid an egg on the highway.
01:16:54.846 --> 01:16:55.915
I'm gonna- Ah.
01:16:56.065 --> 01:16:57.085
… I'm gonna lay it fast, and
I'm gonna lay it on the line."
01:16:58.605 --> 01:16:58.645
The old joke.
01:16:58.645 --> 01:16:58.655
Yeah.
01:16:58.655 --> 01:16:58.695
It is so funny.
01:16:58.695 --> 01:16:58.805
I was like- I used to
use that all the time.
01:17:00.955 --> 01:17:01.055
Yeah.
01:17:03.505 --> 01:17:04.898
Lay it fast and lay it on the line.
01:17:04.898 --> 01:17:06.495
I've thought about that so many times.
01:17:07.155 --> 01:17:08.205
But- My goodness.
01:17:09.545 --> 01:17:10.705
Oh, goodness.
01:17:10.705 --> 01:17:11.145
Well, that's good.
01:17:11.145 --> 01:17:12.055
Well, this was good.
01:17:12.055 --> 01:17:12.185
All right.
01:17:12.185 --> 01:17:15.015
And I'm sure, like, this'll
be one I refer to a lot.
01:17:15.025 --> 01:17:15.415
Yeah.
01:17:15.425 --> 01:17:17.165
So- Yeah … thank you so much.
01:17:17.205 --> 01:17:17.786
Love to meet.
01:17:18.075 --> 01:17:19.245
I love both of y'all so much.
01:17:19.275 --> 01:17:19.485
Yep.
01:17:19.815 --> 01:17:22.605
I just declare it as revelation
to- Yes … all of our lives.
01:17:22.605 --> 01:17:22.665
Yes.
01:17:22.665 --> 01:17:23.135
Yeah.
01:17:23.245 --> 01:17:25.875
As revelation that our prayers
will work and make a difference,
01:17:25.895 --> 01:17:27.115
and we enforce the victory.
01:17:27.236 --> 01:17:27.576
Yes.
01:17:27.615 --> 01:17:28.045
Yeah.
01:17:28.085 --> 01:17:28.485
Amen.
01:17:28.486 --> 01:17:29.316
On the cross and everything.
01:17:30.021 --> 01:17:30.311
Mm-hmm.
01:17:30.311 --> 01:17:30.881
I agree.
01:17:31.131 --> 01:17:31.491
Yeah.
01:17:32.031 --> 01:17:34.351
And so lay hands on the
sick, cast out devils.
01:17:34.351 --> 01:17:35.461
You can call that out.
01:17:35.461 --> 01:17:38.321
And, uh, God will- And let us
know when you do it 'cause we
01:17:38.361 --> 01:17:40.561
wanna- Yeah … we wanna hear.
01:17:40.561 --> 01:17:40.711
Yeah.
01:17:40.711 --> 01:17:41.186
God will give you discernment.
01:17:41.186 --> 01:17:41.281
Yeah.
01:17:41.281 --> 01:17:41.491
Yep.
01:17:41.501 --> 01:17:41.691
Yeah.
01:17:41.951 --> 01:17:42.201
Yep.
01:17:42.301 --> 01:17:43.401
Thanks so much again.
01:17:43.721 --> 01:17:44.181
All right.
01:17:44.191 --> 01:17:45.021
Until next time.
01:17:45.141 --> 01:17:45.581
Bye.