Path of Service: Jamie Jackson's Faith Journey

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This is Jill.
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We love you.
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Well, welcome to Chapter and Verse.
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We have our good friend
Jamie Jackson here today.
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Hello.
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And we also have a guest host.
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Hi.
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It's Ben Tucker.
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He's been on- He's back … he's
been on one already, but, um,
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and of course Jill is here.
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Yeah.
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We're all here.
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It's a full house.
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It needed three to take care of- Yeah,
we called in reinforcements, Jamie
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to, to reinforcements.
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Actually, actually, I think just
that their cleaning lady is there,
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and she, he wanted, didn't wanna
stay, which I fully agree with.
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Yeah.
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You don't stay when the
cleaning lady's there.
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No.
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Just get out of her way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Let her do her thing.
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And I pre-clean- Fair
play … for the cleaning lady.
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Do y'all?
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I made Owen do the dishes last night.
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Yeah.
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I always- But that was basically the
end of it … when I have one, which
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is rare nowadays, but yeah, I do the,
I'm like, "Everybody clean the house."
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It's a panic clean before the cleaner.
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Yes.
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We don't need people to
know we're this filthy.
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Listen, Lakin and I, we've been
through it, so- I do love Lakin
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she knows.
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Shout out to Lady Lux Cleaning.
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Yep.
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She's great.
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Sponsored, not sponsored, but- Yeah-
Yes … you need to use her, but.
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She needs to come do my house.
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Well, sh- I'll- I'm by myself, and I'm not
a cleaner … if you pay her, she will.
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Yes.
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Will she iron, too?
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I don't know.
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I don't know what she'll do.
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Lakin, do you iron?
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Um, we'll give you her
contact information.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'd like it.
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And we'll put it, we'll put it
in our little- Yeah, you can…
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We'll link it.
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Yeah, we'll link her.
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Write that down.
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Because she is so good.
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There's a lot of good, um, cleaning
people, but we know she's great.
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Yeah.
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S- I'll just put sponsor,
but not sponsored.
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Okay.
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So Jamie, tell us a
little bit about yourself.
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Well, um, y'all know
who I am, Jamie Jackson.
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For those listening don't know me, uh, I
was born and raised here in Russellville.
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Um-
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My whole life, uh, I was raised
around public service work, and
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I knew that's what I wanted to
do- Mm-hmm … from a young age.
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Um, you know, starting 14 years
old with the Fire Explorers at
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the Russellville Fire Department.
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Mm-hmm.
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Staying there two, three nights
a week, just, I loved it.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so when I did turn 18,
I was hired on Russellville Fire
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Department as a part-time firefighter.
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I did that three years until I
went to work sheriff's office.
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Um- And that's kind of how
I got to know you better.
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Yes.
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But, 'cause then I was
sheriff at some point.
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I know you worked under Jay first and, but
I feel like we went to school together.
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I, I'm older than you,
we don't talk about age.
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So don't- We do not talk about age.
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Don't say when- We don't talk about age.
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Nope.
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Don't say when you graduated, 'cause
I will edit that out or have Gina.
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Yep.
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But I do, I do remember- Yeah
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seeing you in school.
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What, I gra- uh, well, I was- You
can say it, we'll edit it out.
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Okay.
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I graduated in Russellville.
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Yeah.
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I was before that.
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You graduated before?
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What?
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Mickey graduated in I w- So.
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You gotta edit this out.
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Okay.
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I was supposed to graduate
in and I graduated- I s- you
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know- That one's staying in.
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Yeah.
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And that, and that…
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Well, I don't care.
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No, it's fine.
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It's fine.
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The deal is if, if your birthday's in
August- Mm-hmm … before the school
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starts, you know, you can start at five.
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Yes.
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Well, now they're s- I think
they're a little bit more strict.
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Are they?
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I think.
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They need to be because I
turned five August 15th, and
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I was in school in three days.
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I turned five September 28th, and I
was in school for a month at four.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah.
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Those, those Northerners, they
have more ambition than us.
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Is that what wrong with them?
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Hell yeah.
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I don't think that was, I
don't think it was ambition.
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I think it was, "Get this
kid out of the house."
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Yeah.
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"We don't want this kid in here."
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But, um, they held me back in,
in kindergarten 'cause they just
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said- You just weren't ready.
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You weren't ready … they just,
you know, girls, yeah, most of
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the time- Yeah … are ahead.
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Uh, guys, you need to
wait till you're six.
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Yeah.
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And so, um, that led to first grade I got
held back again 'cause I just wasn't…
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Do you remember that?
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Were you sad?
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No.
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Or
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did you care?
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It, it's, um, it's about the same
time my parents got a divorce.
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Okay.
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So the, the first two or three years,
I, I didn't care about nothing.
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Yeah.
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If you don't have stability, like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Kids can't- And, and, and- They
can't thrive in that … and
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my parents were great.
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Mm-hmm.
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But they, they worked all the time
and, um, and so, like divorced parents
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and- Yeah … I lived with my dad.
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My two sisters lived with my mom.
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Okay.
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My mom gave me a choice where,
who I wanted to stay, and I
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said, "Well, you got the girls."
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Mm-hmm.
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"I'll stay with Dad," which I
didn't wanna live with three women.
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Of course you didn't.
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Who does?
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I, I, I was just six, and so, um,
yeah, I don't remember a whole lot,
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just the years I got held back.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, and just knew that-
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The kindergarten thing
wasn't that I was failing it.
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How do you fail kindergarten?
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Yeah.
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It's just going through the deals,
they just said- Yeah … met with
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my mom and dad, said, "He's just
not developed to, to be here yet."
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Well, you were young.
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Right.
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There's a lot more that goes
on in kindergarten, too.
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Like, just, like, there's so
much- Especially now, yeah
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more development.
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Yeah.
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Socially and, and just all kinds of
stuff that if you weren't ready to…
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'Cause there's a big difference
between how a kindergarten
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classroom is run and how a first
grade classroom is run as well.
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So if you aren't ready for the way
a first grade classroom is run,
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like, it is better to stay, do
another round in kindergarten- Yeah
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so that you can fully function and
be ready and good and thrive in,
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in, in that kind of a classroom.
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And Trace was the same way, so
we didn't start- Yeah … we
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could've started him at five.
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Yeah.
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But he ended up graduating really early
because he was done with high school
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at age, in 10th grade, he was done.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he went to Moralton for
11th and 12th grade years.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, he had met all the requirements,
but he, he could've put in the paperwork
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where it showed he was graduated from
high school- Mm-hmm … two years early.
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But, uh, he didn't want to.
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He wanted to walk with his buddies.
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Friends.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he went to Moralton and then
graduated- Mm-hmm … both there with
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two, two associates and, and a high
school diploma the same year, so.
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Li- little smarty pants.
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He is.
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He's, he's a good, good kid.
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And that's your son.
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That's my son, Trace.
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Yeah.
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Um, like I said, yeah, he, he was great.
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But, um, back, um- So I went to work
for the sheriff's office- Mm-hmm
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in, um, '95.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, uh, became a patrolman and worked
my way up, uh, in the sheriff's office.
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Worked for Jay Winters and
Aaron Duvall and, and that's
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the two sheriffs I worked for.
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Um, in 2012, I had an opportunity
to go to the Arkansas Game and Fish
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as a game warden, which I wanted
to do my whole life, but I never
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did wanna move away from home.
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And- Yeah, and they move you around
some … years ago, they pretty
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much moved you across the state.
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The furthest, the better.
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Really?
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It's, it was just a way they did things.
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Mm-hmm.
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I wonder why that is.
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Well, the- Been, been
like, "I will tell you."
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… the biggest issue, the biggest
issue with, with me leaving me in
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my home county is they was afraid
because I've been in politics and- Oh
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know everybody- That you would not enforce
it … that you efficiently do your job.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think it may be better
because I knew the outlaws.
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Yeah.
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I chase outlaws.
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Benjamin.
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Sorry.
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It's okay.
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I, I do, uh, I mean, I, I just,
I knew it, so was I a go-getter
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with normal little tickets like
fishing license and nitpicky stuff?
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No.
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Yeah.
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I liked the bigger cases.
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Um, in fact, uh, from two- I was
a game warden from 2012 to '23.
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January '23, uh, I retired.
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I had, uh, 30 years between the
sheriff's office and the Game and
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Fish, so- Mm-hmm … it was time.
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I've had some health issues.
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Yeah.
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Um, but it was time to retire, and,
um, I've enjoyed it so far except
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for a little few bumps in the road.
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Yeah.
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But, um, um-
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If, if I had to do it all over again,
I'd probably do the same thing.
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I would just, um, I would've
changed my lifestyle.
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And I think all of us at some part of it-
Hand something … we, yeah, we want to.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, I'd be more into God.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, I, I would've changed that
even though I've been going to
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church my whole life off and on.
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Yeah.
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You k- you young kids, y'all need to
listen to- Right in the middle of it.
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I'm gonna have to edit that
out 'cause I can't- What?
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… I can't put…
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Ben just took the biggest gulp- Oh, oh my
goodness … and it was so, so amplified.
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Okay.
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So Ben, what's your…
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You tell your opinion on-
Stop it, Ben … um- On what?
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Why Game and Fish moves
everybody across the state
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uh, a lot of it is because the, the,
the, uh, the friends and family that you
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live, you know- 'Cause you don't wanna
leave them and just get- … they want,
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they want, they wanna take away that,
uh, I guess that problem of, of having-
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Like assumed nepotism … favoritism
and, and letting people do…
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They, they sort of take
you out of that situation.
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Don't have to worry about it.
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There's- That, you know, that's one
of the issues of going back home,
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but they- Yeah … they're trying,
they, they've switched, they've
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switched, um, switched their thinking.
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So now what they do is they try
to hire the people in the counties
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that they want to come from.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's because they stay and work.
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They, they're having problems- No, they'll
stay and work … same problem the state
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police had where they were like- Yeah,
they're gonna quit after two years.
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Yeah.
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"Man, I'm not going home.
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Someone else got it."
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They get mad.
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Yeah.
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And, uh- Or they get tired
of working in the swamp.
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Yeah.
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And so- Mm-hmm … it was, uh-
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It, it was really nice
to be able to come home.
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And so, uh- Where did you
first start working at?
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Here.
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Oh, so you stayed here?
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Yeah.
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What, uh, what happened is, uh, after
I got hired, uh, before I reported, um
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They were working on, I was going to
Yale County 'cause there was an opening.
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Mm.
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And I had a place to live over there.
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Yeah.
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Friend of mine had, uh, 200 and
something acres there on the river,
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not river, uh, the creek over
there by between Danville and Ola.
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And so I had a place to live,
so we was all ready to go.
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My wife and them, they
was, they was ready.
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We'd stay there until
I could get back here.
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And, uh, a week before I went to
the academy, uh, colonel called.
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Said, "Jamie, man, the
stars are lined up for you."
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And I said- Mm-hmm … "Man,
they've already been good to me.
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You know, I went through all
y'all's testing at a- at 40."
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Yeah.
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And I said, "That was rough enough.
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Already been through one, and
now I'm going through at 40."
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And, um, but it, yeah, it was
the, the best job I ever had.
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And, um, I would've loved to gave,
like, started out and gave, like, 30
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years- Yeah … in the Game and Fish.
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But- Yeah … um, luckily the
retirement's the same for-
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Mm-hmm … county or the Game and Fish.
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It was the same APR, so there was no
penalty or anything like that 'cause,
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uh, we can retire full retirement at 28.
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Yeah, 28.
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28, I think.
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Yeah, 28 and out.
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28, yeah.
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So I had, I had 30, so I was blessed.
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Um,
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That's good.
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Well, going back to what you said
about if you could go back, and I think
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that's good advice for younger people.
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Like, they…
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It's, it's okay to have, you know,
a plan and a, you know, ambitions
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for your career and stuff- Yeah
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but really put God first in that
because you could go farther.
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You could go…
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I mean, you will go- Well-
… better … here's the deal.
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Yep.
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I did not understand it, I'll be honest
with you, when, um, Brother Morris- Mm-hmm
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… Ronnie, when he, um, when I first heard
it, he was talking about the, the three
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most important things in your life in, in,
in this order: God, family, and country.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, I always thought when he first
said that, I thought, "You know what?
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I love my family.
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I'm gonna provide for them.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna
do what I can for them.
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They sh- you know, first, and
then God, and then country."
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And he said, "Jamie," he said, "The
reason why God is number one and first-"
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If you worship Him and live by
His word, he said your family and
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everything else is taken care of.
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Yeah.
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If you truly put your heart and soul
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And to the Lord.
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Mm-hmm.
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He said, "Everything else will work out."
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Yeah.
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"But you gotta live by it."
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's every day.
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And it, it's…
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I don't know, to me, it's
hard, and I'm sure for a lot
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of people, religion is hard.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh, I, I, I- Well, I think that's
the difference, is religion is hard.
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But when God becomes real, like, when
you have an actual real relationship
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with God, it becomes much easier to
live the way that you're supposed to li-
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the way that He would have you to live.
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But if you're just doing it
because there's a list of rules
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on paper, yeah, that's, it's hard.
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Nobody can live up to that.
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Right.
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It, yeah.
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And-
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I came closer with him after my divorce.
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Mm-hmm.
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'Cause I was doing it wrong.
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Yeah.
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I was.
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Um-
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I think
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I don't wanna say better off.
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Uh, my ex-wife, she's better off
Mm-hmm Um, I would've loved to made
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it work because when, when you get
married and, and say your vows before
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God, I mean, you do it before him,
it's till, till you, till death
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Mm-hmm And I truly feel that way.
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And people always said, you know, "Why,
why you wait so old to get married?
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Why this and that?
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And you know your kids are gonna…"
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And I said, "'Cause I don't wanna mess
it up" Mm-hmm So I chose to live my
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life like people live after they retire.
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I did mine before I got married.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I'm content with doing nothing.
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I've, I've done everything I've wanted to.
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I've seen what I wanted to.
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Um, some of it I'm proud of,
some of it I'm not Mm-hmm But
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I did my life kinda in reverse.
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You know, from, from 18 to 27 I lived
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And I mean, I truly lived.
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Now was it always right?
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No.
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But
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After my divorce, I came closer
with God because, yeah, like I said,
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it's, the, the devil pulls on you.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he pulls, and he pulls, and he
attacks, and, and, and I feel…
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And that's, you know, we cook
at, me and Ben, you know, we
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all cook at church for the kids.
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You know, that started out for the kids.
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Mm-hmm.
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And to me, that's worshiping- Oh, yeah.
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Yeah … and, and, and actually
preaching in our own way of cooking
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and f- and feeding the souls.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I just, I've been there
sick, I've been there hurting.
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Yeah.
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But when I, when them kids come
through and, and them, what we get
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from y'all and the adults, that
just, that makes it all worth it.
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Yeah.
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It makes it go away, and- I think you've
always been one that will jump in there
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if you're asked to cook or do something.
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You're, you're always a yes.
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Yeah.
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And like I said, I, I've been down
for, for a little while, but we're,
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we're ready to get back in it.
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We, the church, first off, I, I…
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Can I give a shout-out to our church?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I want- Shout out to our church … e-
everybody that listens that goes to
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our church, I wanna thank them for
being by my side since my accident-
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Mm-hmm … um, at the church.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, they've been very supportive.
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Yeah.
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And, um, I couldn't have made it
through without them, so I just wanna
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give a shout-out to the pastor, and
the board members, and everybody in
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the church, 'cause it was just, it was
just wonderful, and I just, I knew-
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The last couple years, that's what I want.
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I want him.
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Yeah.
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I've got a long ways to go.
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We all do.
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Yep.
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Uh, I do.
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Um, but I'm doing better and I couldn't
have done it without him, but it's been
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30 days or more since I had a dip of
snuff or a- Good job … Diet Coke.
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That's incredible.
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I quit cold turkey.
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Way to go.
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Yay, good job.
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Yep.
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And- Listen, that's, I mean, it's easy
to, to like say- Yeah, it- Ugh, okay,
00:19:13.905 --> 00:19:17.405
especially with the Diet Coke because,
I mean- That's the hardest thing
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like that's, I was just about to say that.
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It's so, it's so accessible.
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Nobody looks down on you for having
it, and it, it can be such a vice.
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Good job.
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I'm telling you, dip and I don't miss.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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From the first, from when
I stopped, I do not miss.
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But the Diet Cokes, I could go to Casey's
right now- … and drink that fountain.
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Hook a hose to it- … stick it
in my mouth- … and just have Ben
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push that button for Diet Cokes.
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I know.
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Just drink it dry, huh?
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That's where I'm at.
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Yeah.
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And I'm, I'm doing different
cleansing to try to detox my body.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I've never felt better.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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That's good.
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That's- If I didn't have the
pain from the stuff that needs
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to be fixed, my mind is clear.
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Um, what I want, um-
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And it's just, it's been amazing.
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It's- That's good … God works,
He, He don't put more on us
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than we can bear or handle.
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Mm-hmm.
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Correct?
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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But I always knew he had a plan.
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Yeah.
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Um
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I hear it every Sunday.
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I hear it when I talk to him.
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Mm-hmm.
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He's got a plan for me.
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Yeah.
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And all this that, that we go
through, everybody, they, uh,
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everybody goes through something.
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I, I think it makes us stronger if
we can get up and dust ourself off.
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And, um, I just, I got
tired of laying around.
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I got tired of being dependent,
'cause it, I mean, it got bad.
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I mean, when you're hurting and
you're laid up from surgeries, you
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know, I kept a dip all day long.
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Yeah.
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I'd take it out to eat.
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'Cause I was just
sitting there just bored.
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It just- Mm-hmm … it
was something to do.
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And of course, right there- Yeah … now
I replaced it, my bottles of water.
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I'll go through- Mm-hmm … I
don't know how many I drink a day.
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Mm-hmm.
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Or sweet tea.
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Or sweet tea at church.
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That's, that's my…
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But a little caffeine.
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I did, I, I do have one cup
of coffee in the morning.
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Yeah.
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Just to kinda wake me up, and no
sugar in it, just regular coffee.
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I started that.
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But, um, yeah, the dipping
was, that was nothing.
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I c- that was fine.
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I dipped my whole life, and
Coke, there ain't no telling
00:21:32.917 --> 00:21:36.197
how much money I'm gonna save-
Right … between Diet Coke and Coke.
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Listen- Coke was costing
me 250 bucks a month.
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Wow.
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That's incredible.
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Listen, I, shout out to Melanie.
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Melanie and I talk every morning,
I mean, except for when we're on
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vacation, but, like, every morning when
she's getting ready and I'm starting
00:21:49.617 --> 00:21:50.687
work, we're on the phone together.
00:21:50.697 --> 00:21:54.727
And there occasionally, like, I'll
be, you know, I'm coding records,
00:21:54.727 --> 00:21:57.697
doing whatever, and I'll see
smoking, like, two packs a day.
00:21:57.707 --> 00:22:01.537
And I'm like, "How does
anyone afford smoking?"
00:22:01.557 --> 00:22:02.107
I don't understand.
00:22:02.107 --> 00:22:05.817
And she and I have numerous occasions
have been like, "How much even is,
00:22:05.817 --> 00:22:06.797
like, a pack of cigarettes now?"
00:22:06.797 --> 00:22:08.377
And it's like $10 for
a pack of cigarettes.
00:22:08.397 --> 00:22:13.667
And I'm like, "You're literally just
paying $20 a day to hurt yourself."
00:22:13.667 --> 00:22:13.887
That's- Yeah.
00:22:13.887 --> 00:22:15.407
That's like- Yeah … 40 cigarettes a day.
00:22:15.757 --> 00:22:16.197
Yeah.
00:22:16.207 --> 00:22:16.367
Wow.
00:22:16.697 --> 00:22:17.667
I mean, listen.
00:22:17.927 --> 00:22:18.687
And that's how I'm…
00:22:18.727 --> 00:22:20.587
Like, addiction is a real thing.
00:22:20.597 --> 00:22:20.617
Mm-hmm.
00:22:20.627 --> 00:22:22.107
It is a very real thing.
00:22:22.457 --> 00:22:23.117
And
00:22:25.307 --> 00:22:30.187
props to the people who are, are
working through getting through that.
00:22:30.207 --> 00:22:35.777
Like, it is not a small feat to come
off of anything that you're addicted to.
00:22:36.047 --> 00:22:38.647
So keep on keeping on.
00:22:38.667 --> 00:22:39.467
Go, do it.
00:22:39.937 --> 00:22:40.597
Be better.
00:22:41.177 --> 00:22:41.712
And I have…
00:22:41.712 --> 00:22:43.087
I mean, like, we're all
addicted to something.
00:22:43.147 --> 00:22:43.507
Oh, yeah.
00:22:43.557 --> 00:22:47.767
We all are addicted to something, um,
whether you wanna admit it or not.
00:22:47.847 --> 00:22:51.227
It might not be substances,
but it's, it's stuff.
00:22:51.297 --> 00:22:52.307
We're addicted to stuff.
00:22:52.757 --> 00:22:59.887
And I'm just, it's just so
impressive to me that you've-
00:22:59.887 --> 00:23:01.097
You quit two things at once,
00:23:01.627 --> 00:23:06.017
but that, that, what we've kinda
said and, and wrapped up is kinda
00:23:06.207 --> 00:23:09.347
the one of the, the things I wanted
to talk about if y'all- Yeah,
00:23:09.347 --> 00:23:12.267
yeah … is you remember Jay's funeral?
00:23:12.757 --> 00:23:13.097
Mm-hmm.
00:23:13.347 --> 00:23:18.737
Um, I was honored to, to get to
set that up and, and speak at it.
00:23:18.867 --> 00:23:20.357
Um, Jay was
00:23:22.965 --> 00:23:25.655
One of the finest men-
Mm-hmm … I've ever known.
00:23:26.345 --> 00:23:26.685
Yeah.
00:23:27.215 --> 00:23:28.375
He was a godly man.
00:23:28.515 --> 00:23:28.755
Yeah.
00:23:29.535 --> 00:23:34.205
Um, if it wasn't for him, I
wouldn't be here right now.
00:23:34.355 --> 00:23:34.805
Yeah.
00:23:35.745 --> 00:23:36.895
I don't know where I'd be.
00:23:36.905 --> 00:23:38.865
Mm-hmm.
00:23:41.019 --> 00:23:47.309
So I, I, and to carry on, and of course
Sheena always told me, said, you know
00:23:48.309 --> 00:23:55.019
Jay didn't wanna be some high and
mighty reli- you know, he, he didn't
00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:57.859
want to, people to think of him as
00:24:00.669 --> 00:24:01.639
How did she word it?
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:07.299
Some like godly hero or whatever Yes.
00:24:07.579 --> 00:24:08.399
Mm-hmm.
00:24:08.399 --> 00:24:10.669
She said, she- Like they didn't
wanna put him on a pedestal … yeah.
00:24:10.849 --> 00:24:12.099
He don't wanna be on a pedestal.
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:19.169
He w- he's an example of how people need
to worship and, and live their lives.
00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:19.959
He was servant.
00:24:19.969 --> 00:24:23.669
He was not only a public servant,
but he was a servant, you know,
00:24:24.149 --> 00:24:25.089
in his walk with the Lord.
00:24:25.109 --> 00:24:27.559
And it was, yeah, and it was all the time.
00:24:27.669 --> 00:24:27.979
Yeah.
00:24:28.209 --> 00:24:28.519
Yeah.
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:38.129
But he, he, he left, uh, I guess a legacy
that people talk about from here on out.
00:24:38.129 --> 00:24:38.329
Yeah.
00:24:38.329 --> 00:24:41.309
It's a- Yeah, I first met him when
I was a child, like, when I was very
00:24:41.309 --> 00:24:45.139
young, like probably six or seven
years old when I first met him.
00:24:46.609 --> 00:24:50.569
And then when I, uh, went to the
academy and I graduated from the
00:24:50.569 --> 00:24:52.549
academy, he was the guest speaker.
00:24:53.029 --> 00:24:54.487
I think he was running ACIC at that time.
00:24:54.487 --> 00:24:54.702
Mm-hmm.
00:24:54.702 --> 00:24:55.169
Mm-hmm.
00:24:55.349 --> 00:24:57.419
And when he, well, I walked up to him,
he shook my hand, he looked at me,
00:24:57.439 --> 00:25:01.899
remembered who I was, and that's, I was
pretty impressed with that, 'cause I
00:25:01.899 --> 00:25:03.409
didn't know he k- had any idea who I was.
00:25:03.409 --> 00:25:06.339
But he knew me, knew my
dad, shook my hand, said…
00:25:07.199 --> 00:25:08.209
I said, "What are you doing here?"
00:25:08.229 --> 00:25:10.859
And I said, "Well, I guess I'm
gonna be a police officer."
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.589
And he said, "Well, tell
your family I said hello.
00:25:12.899 --> 00:25:13.499
Glad to have you."
00:25:13.499 --> 00:25:13.519
Mm-hmm.
00:25:13.579 --> 00:25:18.029
And then it was crazy to me that, you
know, that he still knew who I was.
00:25:18.069 --> 00:25:18.529
Oh, yeah.
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.809
He, he- He's a great guy … he's kind-
Yeah … Bill Clinton- He's really-
00:25:20.829 --> 00:25:24.119
He was kinda like, in a way of knowing
people, Bill Clinton- Knowing, yeah.
00:25:24.169 --> 00:25:24.629
Well, yeah.
00:25:24.629 --> 00:25:26.109
Bill Clinton remembered you.
00:25:26.109 --> 00:25:29.469
If he met you- He'd remember you, yeah
… five years later, he'd remember you.
00:25:29.549 --> 00:25:32.239
He'll remember you 40 years later,
I know that just for a fact, 'cause-
00:25:32.269 --> 00:25:35.709
Oh, uh, it's, it's, it's unreal
Yeah, he was at that funeral.
00:25:35.919 --> 00:25:40.049
He came and wor- he came and, and spoke
at, um, Street Law Firm, the, when
00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:41.409
he died, he'd spoke at his funeral.
00:25:41.829 --> 00:25:45.879
And, um, I had to work with the Secret
Service and work security for his funeral.
00:25:47.209 --> 00:25:50.389
And he was walking around talking
to people I know he hasn't seen
00:25:50.389 --> 00:25:52.309
in 40 years, and knew their names.
00:25:53.169 --> 00:25:53.289
Mm.
00:25:53.929 --> 00:25:54.289
Oh, yeah.
00:25:54.309 --> 00:25:54.569
Yeah.
00:25:54.609 --> 00:25:58.679
Everybody he talked to was like, he
was their personal friend and they were
00:25:58.689 --> 00:25:59.699
the most important people in the world.
00:25:59.699 --> 00:26:01.639
I'm like, "Ah, that's how he got elected."
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:03.896
That's how he got elected.
00:26:03.896 --> 00:26:03.947
But yeah.
00:26:03.947 --> 00:26:06.529
He would- 40 years … he was know- he
knew names in- I mean- … in places
00:26:06.529 --> 00:26:09.069
in Russellville, I'm like, "I know
you haven't been here in 40 years."
00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:12.019
But he knew everything about it,
like- Some people just have that gift.
00:26:12.029 --> 00:26:12.379
Yeah.
00:26:12.489 --> 00:26:12.789
It's crazy.
00:26:12.789 --> 00:26:13.999
Do y'all remember DD's?
00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:14.899
Yes.
00:26:15.199 --> 00:26:18.429
Down here- No … where the
gold … It was a restaurant.
00:26:18.429 --> 00:26:19.109
You wasn't here.
00:26:19.429 --> 00:26:22.499
But anyway, it was a b-
restaurant like the Old South.
00:26:22.729 --> 00:26:23.619
I haven't thought about that in years.
00:26:23.619 --> 00:26:25.179
And I can barely remember.
00:26:25.179 --> 00:26:25.959
I was young.
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.559
But Bill Clinton would come there
and eat breakfast occasionally,
00:26:30.899 --> 00:26:36.719
and he, my grandmother worked
there waiting tables, and he'd
00:26:36.719 --> 00:26:40.119
always ask for her When he come in.
00:26:40.449 --> 00:26:40.679
Mm.
00:26:41.789 --> 00:26:48.339
And it was the second time he was
governor, it w- it was down the road,
00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:54.159
the second term or something, and we'd
go to, me and my grandma and grandpa
00:26:54.159 --> 00:26:59.909
and dad and, and, uh, niece, we'd
all go to Jack's Resort at Mountain
00:26:59.909 --> 00:27:02.429
View for the folk festival in April.
00:27:02.899 --> 00:27:02.929
Mm-hmm.
00:27:02.939 --> 00:27:04.139
Well, they'd have a big parade.
00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:07.669
Well, Bill Clinton, the governor,
he's always in it, and he was
00:27:07.669 --> 00:27:10.039
in a Model A convertible Ford-
00:27:10.199 --> 00:27:12.249
the old antique what- whatever they are.
00:27:12.879 --> 00:27:15.979
But anyway, we're sitting up
on the hill, I'm sitting on the
00:27:15.979 --> 00:27:20.079
grass, and Grandma's in her chair,
and Grandpa, uh, Papaw's in his.
00:27:22.129 --> 00:27:25.609
And we're looking down the road, and
here comes the parade, and it's going
00:27:25.609 --> 00:27:29.209
through, and then here comes Bill Clinton.
00:27:30.199 --> 00:27:32.569
And Grandma stands up,
'cause she knew him.
00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:34.399
She said, "He, he'll remember me."
00:27:34.869 --> 00:27:36.559
'Cause sh- uh- … after that she…
00:27:36.649 --> 00:27:40.419
But anyway, he looks up there and waves,
said, "Well, Beatris, what you doing?"
00:27:40.979 --> 00:27:41.629
He yelled out.
00:27:41.659 --> 00:27:46.439
She ran down across the ditch, got in
the road, stood on the running boards of
00:27:46.439 --> 00:27:50.839
that old Model A, and rode the parade to
the end of the parade with Bill- Oh, man
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.769
talking to him, and then
he brought her home.
00:27:51.769 --> 00:27:54.039
I bet the EP loved that.
00:27:54.229 --> 00:27:54.479
Yeah.
00:27:54.489 --> 00:27:58.749
He, he brought her back,
and he just never forget.
00:27:58.799 --> 00:27:59.279
Well, that's…
00:27:59.349 --> 00:28:00.469
Jay was that way.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:00.759
Yeah.
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:01.139
Yeah.
00:28:01.439 --> 00:28:03.239
Um, but let's get off Bill Clinton.
00:28:03.239 --> 00:28:04.544
Well, this, you know- Yeah.
00:28:04.544 --> 00:28:05.419
Jay was a little more godly.
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:06.769
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:07.229 --> 00:28:10.119
Jay w- Jay was more- I think, you
know, in the short amount of episodes-
00:28:10.362 --> 00:28:12.802
that we have done, I don't even
know what number this is, but
00:28:13.532 --> 00:28:14.932
he's been mentioned three times.
00:28:15.002 --> 00:28:15.442
Yeah.
00:28:15.672 --> 00:28:18.072
Well, he made an impact on, on-
Everybody … just the whole
00:28:18.072 --> 00:28:19.452
River Valley in, in general.
00:28:19.632 --> 00:28:23.462
And, um- I, I know, I know guys
that were police officers that, um,
00:28:23.942 --> 00:28:27.382
walked the streets when, when, not
only when he was sheriff, but before
00:28:27.382 --> 00:28:30.792
he was sheriff, that worked with
him a long time ago that- Mm-hmm
00:28:30.792 --> 00:28:32.222
tell stories about him saving their lives.
00:28:32.572 --> 00:28:32.852
Yeah.
00:28:33.192 --> 00:28:36.352
And you won't get him to, you would
never have gotten him to mention it.
00:28:36.782 --> 00:28:37.072
Yeah.
00:28:37.072 --> 00:28:37.632
Mm-mm.
00:28:37.632 --> 00:28:38.842
He wouldn't talk about it.
00:28:38.842 --> 00:28:39.022
Yeah.
00:28:39.022 --> 00:28:39.952
That's, it was his job.
00:28:39.962 --> 00:28:40.642
He was just there.
00:28:41.312 --> 00:28:41.692
Yes.
00:28:41.712 --> 00:28:43.712
But everybody else was
impacted enough by it.
00:28:44.432 --> 00:28:49.962
In the short time that I, I got
to know him and work with him, you
00:28:49.962 --> 00:28:51.152
know, it was, it was very impactful.
00:28:51.602 --> 00:28:55.652
But it, I also feel, I think feel a, a
lot the, the same way about your dad.
00:28:56.412 --> 00:28:56.642
Yeah.
00:28:56.642 --> 00:28:58.612
'Cause he was my- Oh, yeah … he
was the first- Yeah … you
00:28:58.612 --> 00:29:00.172
know, sheriff that I worked for.
00:29:00.492 --> 00:29:00.822
Yeah.
00:29:01.092 --> 00:29:02.942
Um, and really impacted my life.
00:29:02.942 --> 00:29:06.462
But both of them, I think, but I
think your dad got a lot of his, um,
00:29:07.072 --> 00:29:08.422
policies the way he worked from Jay too.
00:29:08.432 --> 00:29:08.652
Yeah.
00:29:08.712 --> 00:29:10.702
They both were very similar in the way
that they- Guess he worked for him.
00:29:11.292 --> 00:29:11.462
Yeah.
00:29:11.572 --> 00:29:14.052
I've heard a lot of funny stories
about when they worked together.
00:29:14.052 --> 00:29:14.372
Yeah.
00:29:14.762 --> 00:29:16.662
Probably some we don't
need to put on recordings.
00:29:16.662 --> 00:29:17.012
Yeah.
00:29:17.102 --> 00:29:18.472
I c- I got a bunch.
00:29:18.552 --> 00:29:19.672
Um- Yeah.
00:29:19.692 --> 00:29:22.412
We could write a book someday, but,
uh- Y'all need to … we don't wanna
00:29:22.442 --> 00:29:22.782
Yeah.
00:29:22.782 --> 00:29:25.312
It's, uh- But I don't, I don't
wanna do it on the air, but- Yeah.
00:29:25.522 --> 00:29:26.922
No, it, it- It's probably best.
00:29:26.952 --> 00:29:27.282
Yeah.
00:29:27.292 --> 00:29:30.502
See, that'd be the blue line of Pope
County, and it's completely scandalous.
00:29:32.262 --> 00:29:36.672
This, this kinda brings me to, to
what I kinda wanted to talk about.
00:29:36.902 --> 00:29:41.662
Um, you know, when we die-
00:29:44.612 --> 00:29:47.792
Peop- w- everybody in your family
already puts the day you was born
00:29:47.792 --> 00:29:49.272
and, and the day you die Mm-hmm.
00:29:50.652 --> 00:29:54.692
Uh, a lot of people say that's the
two most important days of your life.
00:29:55.862 --> 00:29:56.352
Um
00:29:59.216 --> 00:30:02.146
And they can be glorious both, both times.
00:30:02.946 --> 00:30:03.046
Mm-hmm.
00:30:03.476 --> 00:30:05.496
You think, well, how
can death be glorious?
00:30:05.516 --> 00:30:12.936
Well, if you lived your life correct
and by God's word- Mm-hmm … then
00:30:12.936 --> 00:30:14.676
you're going to a glorious place.
00:30:14.936 --> 00:30:15.186
Yeah.
00:30:16.276 --> 00:30:17.886
He k- if you know him- A lot better here.
00:30:18.096 --> 00:30:18.326
Yeah.
00:30:18.336 --> 00:30:19.356
A lot better than here.
00:30:19.846 --> 00:30:26.876
And so to me, and, and back when Jay
passed away, a state trooper gave me
00:30:26.876 --> 00:30:32.676
a email someone had sent him, and it
was about the, it's called The Dash.
00:30:33.536 --> 00:30:36.016
And you know the little dash
in between your birth date?
00:30:36.186 --> 00:30:36.606
Oh, yeah.
00:30:36.606 --> 00:30:36.826
Yeah.
00:30:36.826 --> 00:30:38.396
And when you die, on your tombstone?
00:30:38.416 --> 00:30:38.916
Mm-hmm.
00:30:40.536 --> 00:30:44.026
That dash, it, it reads out
there, it said, that's the most
00:30:44.026 --> 00:30:45.186
important part of your life.
00:30:45.186 --> 00:30:46.136
That's your legacy.
00:30:46.136 --> 00:30:46.256
Mm-hmm.
00:30:47.096 --> 00:30:50.676
That's what you leave your family,
your church, your community-
00:30:51.026 --> 00:30:52.746
Yeah … is building the legacy
00:30:54.952 --> 00:30:59.912
People will never talk about
me the way they did Jay
00:31:02.786 --> 00:31:06.386
And it's not that I haven't
done good things, 'cause I have.
00:31:06.396 --> 00:31:06.756
Mm-hmm.
00:31:06.916 --> 00:31:10.726
And I, I keep will, but I mean, I, I
don't keep score and I'm not saying,
00:31:10.726 --> 00:31:15.026
"Okay, if I do this right here,
God's really gonna take care of me."
00:31:15.026 --> 00:31:15.506
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:15.566 --> 00:31:16.456
It's not how it works.
00:31:16.636 --> 00:31:16.876
Mm-hmm.
00:31:17.016 --> 00:31:18.216
You don't get a point system.
00:31:19.696 --> 00:31:25.086
But it's the way you live in
between there that what counts.
00:31:25.416 --> 00:31:25.586
Mm-hmm.
00:31:25.816 --> 00:31:31.136
It, it, it's what counts that your
parents and the, and the pain and
00:31:31.136 --> 00:31:34.536
suffering and the sacrifices they
did to bring you into this world.
00:31:34.546 --> 00:31:34.576
Mm-hmm.
00:31:35.916 --> 00:31:40.086
And then it matters to when you die
to where you're going after here.
00:31:40.226 --> 00:31:40.516
Yeah.
00:31:41.596 --> 00:31:45.186
And so that, that, that dash
is, people needs to keep in
00:31:45.196 --> 00:31:48.576
mind that that dash is the most
important thing on that tombstone.
00:31:48.776 --> 00:31:49.116
Yeah.
00:31:49.356 --> 00:31:50.926
Not when you was born, not when you die.
00:31:51.506 --> 00:31:54.906
It's that dash, the legacy you're
gonna live behind, leave behind.
00:31:54.906 --> 00:31:58.476
And like I said, I've
got a long ways to go.
00:31:58.706 --> 00:32:01.606
I, um, I, I, I'll just be honest with you.
00:32:02.286 --> 00:32:02.826
Um-
00:32:05.412 --> 00:32:06.432
But that's my goal.
00:32:06.452 --> 00:32:06.482
Mm-hmm.
00:32:08.262 --> 00:32:13.482
By the time I die is, is, is that I'm
living right- Mm-hmm … all the time.
00:32:14.662 --> 00:32:18.182
Well, I think you definitely are making an
impact on the kids, like you talked about.
00:32:18.422 --> 00:32:18.572
Yeah.
00:32:18.602 --> 00:32:21.302
You know, I love the- When y'all are
there, like the last time both of you
00:32:21.302 --> 00:32:22.682
were gone, which was not very long ago.
00:32:22.692 --> 00:32:23.922
Yeah, it was just a couple weeks ago.
00:32:24.082 --> 00:32:27.972
I texted Jill, and I was like, the
little kid went in there and she
00:32:27.972 --> 00:32:29.552
was like, "Where are the boys?"
00:32:30.692 --> 00:32:32.562
Talking about you and Ben and Owen.
00:32:32.592 --> 00:32:33.222
Owen, yeah.
00:32:33.262 --> 00:32:36.722
And so whatever worker- Breakfast
boy … I think it was Lisbeth.
00:32:36.722 --> 00:32:38.072
She was like, "Well,
they're not here today."
00:32:38.072 --> 00:32:38.882
And she was like, "Ugh."
00:32:39.842 --> 00:32:41.772
You know, she was so
down and disappointed.
00:32:41.792 --> 00:32:42.932
They look forward to that.
00:32:42.932 --> 00:32:42.972
Yeah, they do.
00:32:42.972 --> 00:32:47.162
And it's a brief time- Yeah … that,
you know, you're serving breakfast, but
00:32:47.422 --> 00:32:48.832
you're making an impact on those kids.
00:32:48.842 --> 00:32:51.622
Well, like, you guys
remember what they get.
00:32:52.012 --> 00:32:52.502
You know what I mean?
00:32:52.502 --> 00:32:55.992
Like, you- they'll walk in and
you're like, "Oh, this one, this
00:32:55.992 --> 00:33:00.062
one's grape jelly, so hop on down to
Owen," or, "This one gets, this one
00:33:00.062 --> 00:33:03.122
gets chocolate gravy first, and then
they come back for a plain biscuit."
00:33:03.692 --> 00:33:05.392
Or, you know- Yeah … whatever it is.
00:33:05.392 --> 00:33:05.822
They get offended.
00:33:05.822 --> 00:33:08.572
Like if, if it's one of them will walk
in and I can't remember what they had.
00:33:08.612 --> 00:33:08.842
Yeah.
00:33:09.092 --> 00:33:10.202
They're like, "How come
you don't remember me?"
00:33:10.312 --> 00:33:14.542
And I'm like, "Well-" "… listen, there's
been a lot of things that have struck me
00:33:14.542 --> 00:33:16.522
in the head-" Yeah … "over my lifespan."
00:33:16.682 --> 00:33:18.042
Well- "Some things just don't stay."
00:33:18.272 --> 00:33:18.502
Yeah.
00:33:18.572 --> 00:33:21.222
The adults have kinda
taken it over, you know.
00:33:21.232 --> 00:33:21.252
Yeah.
00:33:21.262 --> 00:33:25.112
We started out with the kids, and then
we started, uh- … the Bible schools.
00:33:26.002 --> 00:33:28.842
Well, I'll tell you what, if you don't
show up and cook- Mm-hmm … you're gonna
00:33:28.842 --> 00:33:30.372
hear about it from them adults later.
00:33:30.422 --> 00:33:30.652
Mm-hmm.
00:33:30.652 --> 00:33:30.672
Yeah.
00:33:30.672 --> 00:33:32.932
The next Sunday, said, "Well, uh-" Yeah.
00:33:33.132 --> 00:33:35.092
"Church wasn't the same
without your breakfast."
00:33:35.092 --> 00:33:35.692
That's why I hate to- Yeah.
00:33:35.882 --> 00:33:39.212
That's why I hate to do donuts,
'cause I know the kids would probably
00:33:39.212 --> 00:33:41.132
like it for the most part, but
the adults would be like, "Ugh."
00:33:41.142 --> 00:33:41.432
Yeah.
00:33:41.902 --> 00:33:42.272
You know?
00:33:42.372 --> 00:33:43.902
And, and, and meanwhile I'm like-
And the older ones are the ones
00:33:43.902 --> 00:33:43.992
like- The adults can just meh.
00:33:43.992 --> 00:33:47.402
But it's the older- It is the older-
00:33:47.482 --> 00:33:49.262
people that I'm like- The ones, the
seniors … "I don't wanna let them down."
00:33:49.342 --> 00:33:49.872
Yeah.
00:33:49.872 --> 00:33:49.939
Yeah.
00:33:49.939 --> 00:33:50.072
You know?
00:33:50.072 --> 00:33:54.902
And they, I'm telling you, it's-
They're so cute … and it's so awesome.
00:33:55.162 --> 00:34:03.142
They, they worship Ben, Nine, Owen, and-
Mm … and all the timers just thanking
00:34:03.142 --> 00:34:08.162
us and, and- Yeah … and that's, to me,
I, you know, I'll never be a preacher.
00:34:08.662 --> 00:34:09.352
Mm-hmm.
00:34:09.362 --> 00:34:13.122
Um, but that's my way of preaching.
00:34:13.452 --> 00:34:13.772
Yeah.
00:34:13.792 --> 00:34:15.162
Well, you preach with your life.
00:34:15.172 --> 00:34:16.682
You don't have- Yeah … to be on a stage.
00:34:16.752 --> 00:34:17.812
Uh, yeah, yeah.
00:34:17.842 --> 00:34:18.282
And-
00:34:19.282 --> 00:34:20.432
And like I said, it's just,
00:34:22.482 --> 00:34:23.322
it's been awesome.
00:34:23.452 --> 00:34:24.872
It's, it's been painful.
00:34:26.092 --> 00:34:27.322
It's been a, um
00:34:29.950 --> 00:34:32.010
It shouldn't be that hard,
but it, but it, it's…
00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:37.840
And like I said, it's not r- it's
worshiping and dedicating and the
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.040
o- it's hard to get to that point.
00:34:41.050 --> 00:34:41.070
Yeah.
00:34:41.240 --> 00:34:46.760
Now, once you're there, if you stay
focused and what you're supposed to
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.630
do, then it gets a little easier.
00:34:48.630 --> 00:34:53.360
But, you know, the devil's gonna hit
you harder the more you're into God.
00:34:53.770 --> 00:34:53.950
Mm-hmm.
00:34:54.100 --> 00:34:54.530
Yeah.
00:34:55.050 --> 00:34:56.550
I think- He's got the easy ones.
00:34:56.570 --> 00:34:56.980
Mm-hmm.
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:57.720
Yeah.
00:34:57.740 --> 00:35:01.472
He's not worried about- He's
working hard on- … the ones
00:35:01.472 --> 00:35:03.200
that are out … the older ones.
00:35:03.930 --> 00:35:05.190
Have y'all seen
00:35:07.976 --> 00:35:10.026
Have y'all seen the video of Dax?
00:35:11.576 --> 00:35:12.266
Who is Dax?
00:35:12.996 --> 00:35:15.236
He's a- A Dax Shepard?
00:35:15.406 --> 00:35:17.616
No, he's, um, the rapper.
00:35:18.646 --> 00:35:19.576
The- DMX?
00:35:19.626 --> 00:35:20.916
No, Dax.
00:35:21.426 --> 00:35:21.756
The, uh
00:35:24.638 --> 00:35:26.278
idea for y'all's little podcast.
00:35:26.538 --> 00:35:26.818
Okay.
00:35:27.078 --> 00:35:27.588
Uh-huh.
00:35:27.588 --> 00:35:27.778
Yeah.
00:35:28.278 --> 00:35:28.588
Yeah.
00:35:28.898 --> 00:35:30.618
Well, it just, just not it.
00:35:30.668 --> 00:35:33.728
Um, I've been watching on YouTube.
00:35:34.158 --> 00:35:34.348
Mm-hmm.
00:35:34.598 --> 00:35:40.208
Um, it's a group of people all over,
and it's different ones, and it's
00:35:40.278 --> 00:35:46.158
either couples or, you know, girls or,
or wom- I'm sorry, not girls, women
00:35:46.158 --> 00:35:48.808
or, uh, whoever's on the podcast.
00:35:48.838 --> 00:35:50.858
Could be, uh, four guys.
00:35:50.868 --> 00:35:50.918
Mm-hmm.
00:35:50.918 --> 00:35:54.948
You know, there's, there's one
on there with four guys, and
00:35:54.948 --> 00:35:57.308
they pick these songs and videos.
00:35:57.838 --> 00:36:02.408
Like, uh, the one that's big now on
YouTube is James Blunt, Monsters.
00:36:02.668 --> 00:36:03.298
You ever heard of it?
00:36:03.308 --> 00:36:04.018
Mm-hmm, yeah.
00:36:04.458 --> 00:36:05.878
Oh, will that not make you cry?
00:36:05.928 --> 00:36:06.248
Yeah.
00:36:06.258 --> 00:36:09.078
Well, they're showing the video and
playing it, and these people's never
00:36:09.078 --> 00:36:11.468
heard it, and these people are bawling.
00:36:12.338 --> 00:36:12.388
Yeah.
00:36:12.388 --> 00:36:13.168
Talking about like reaction videos?
00:36:13.168 --> 00:36:13.258
Yeah.
00:36:13.258 --> 00:36:14.698
It's, it's reaction video.
00:36:14.748 --> 00:36:15.178
Yeah.
00:36:15.208 --> 00:36:16.508
We need to have a segment on that.
00:36:16.678 --> 00:36:19.788
Well, the problem is, is you got this
girl here who, um- Had a break- … has
00:36:19.788 --> 00:36:21.118
pretty much heard everything, so.
00:36:21.318 --> 00:36:21.548
Stop.
00:36:22.128 --> 00:36:24.128
Well, how do, how- She,
her son is the same way.
00:36:24.138 --> 00:36:24.158
Yeah.
00:36:24.178 --> 00:36:26.498
How do they play music and videos?
00:36:26.548 --> 00:36:26.948
Um.
00:36:26.958 --> 00:36:28.973
What- You have to break it up in certain
sections You have to break it up, so like
00:36:28.973 --> 00:36:31.918
you- You can't play a song in, in its
entirety … they'll stop in the middle
00:36:31.918 --> 00:36:32.848
of it- Mm … you know what I mean?
00:36:32.858 --> 00:36:34.528
And they'll be like, "Okay,
there's the first verse.
00:36:34.538 --> 00:36:35.308
What do you think of that?"
00:36:35.778 --> 00:36:37.333
It's, it, that's why they do that.
00:36:37.333 --> 00:36:39.733
Yeah, you just can't play it f- when it's
full You can't play the entirety of it.
00:36:39.733 --> 00:36:39.888
Yeah, entirety.
00:36:39.888 --> 00:36:40.418
Oh, okay.
00:36:40.478 --> 00:36:40.668
Got it.
00:36:40.668 --> 00:36:40.728
Yeah.
00:36:40.728 --> 00:36:43.828
And then, like, when you, um-
And you have to, like, give
00:36:43.828 --> 00:36:45.278
credit … when they show video…
00:36:45.318 --> 00:36:48.078
Yeah, and when they show video, a lot
of times they'll have to do, like,
00:36:48.078 --> 00:36:52.528
a watermark over it so that it's not
copyrighted material at that point.
00:36:52.618 --> 00:36:54.708
Yeah, they- Yeah … got, like, little
ghost figures floating around stuff.
00:36:54.728 --> 00:36:55.708
Mm-hmm, that's why.
00:36:55.898 --> 00:37:00.638
But, um, Dax, he, uh,
there's se- he's got several.
00:37:00.728 --> 00:37:01.278
Mm-hmm, yeah.
00:37:01.588 --> 00:37:07.888
And I, the, that one, if you watch
the video, it's, it's- I, I don't know
00:37:07.888 --> 00:37:10.808
if I'd let kids watch it, young kids.
00:37:11.848 --> 00:37:17.878
But he's singing It's Raining, and this
guy gets out of his car and gets up on
00:37:17.888 --> 00:37:20.498
the bridge, and he's fixing to jump.
00:37:20.608 --> 00:37:20.948
Yeah.
00:37:20.948 --> 00:37:26.108
And, and of course Dax is singing
and, and, "Can you hear me?
00:37:26.518 --> 00:37:28.268
Um, I'm talking to
you," and this and that.
00:37:28.878 --> 00:37:37.218
And then it shows at the, towards the
end, the guy falls and hits car, dies.
00:37:37.808 --> 00:37:38.108
Mm-hmm.
00:37:38.818 --> 00:37:43.118
But that's not really what hap- That's
what you see, but it gets into a verse,
00:37:43.148 --> 00:37:45.268
"God, I'm calling you and hear you."
00:37:45.958 --> 00:37:50.548
And the next deal, it's in reverse,
and he's back up on the bridge,
00:37:50.548 --> 00:37:54.238
and he walks down, and he gets in
the car with him and smiles at him.
00:37:54.248 --> 00:37:54.268
Yeah.
00:37:54.288 --> 00:37:58.198
So- Yeah … at the end, the way I
got the video was God answered him.
00:37:58.248 --> 00:37:58.528
Yeah.
00:37:58.548 --> 00:37:58.848
Yeah.
00:37:58.888 --> 00:38:00.868
And kept him from jumping off that bridge.
00:38:00.908 --> 00:38:01.178
Yeah.
00:38:01.568 --> 00:38:03.828
Well, God always is- But anyway,
you need to get- … there- Huh?
00:38:03.838 --> 00:38:04.058
… and listening.
00:38:04.058 --> 00:38:04.405
He's always there.
00:38:04.405 --> 00:38:05.198
He's always there.
00:38:05.448 --> 00:38:05.658
Yeah.
00:38:05.698 --> 00:38:07.528
He may not answer when we want it.
00:38:07.968 --> 00:38:10.468
But I think He answers a lot of
times when people don't realize.
00:38:10.588 --> 00:38:11.128
And we don't hear it.
00:38:11.128 --> 00:38:11.588
He sends somebody.
00:38:11.888 --> 00:38:14.228
What if He's answering and then
some of us aren't listening?
00:38:14.298 --> 00:38:14.648
That's true.
00:38:14.728 --> 00:38:16.338
We're too busy asking, "Why
aren't you talking to me?"
00:38:16.338 --> 00:38:16.598
Yeah.
00:38:17.128 --> 00:38:17.573
And that's good.
00:38:17.573 --> 00:38:17.598
Yeah.
00:38:17.598 --> 00:38:21.058
I think the, the closer I get to, the
more I've, I've felt like He's been like,
00:38:21.058 --> 00:38:22.418
"I've talked to you this whole time."
00:38:22.728 --> 00:38:23.088
Yep.
00:38:23.308 --> 00:38:26.968
"And you just were not open to
receiving what I was saying."
00:38:26.978 --> 00:38:27.388
Yeah.
00:38:27.808 --> 00:38:28.328
But we have learned.
00:38:28.328 --> 00:38:29.178
Or willing to believe it.
00:38:29.178 --> 00:38:29.618
Yes.
00:38:29.708 --> 00:38:30.198
Right.
00:38:30.328 --> 00:38:30.638
Yes.
00:38:30.898 --> 00:38:31.368
And He…
00:38:32.378 --> 00:38:35.078
And it may not be directly th- from Him.
00:38:35.078 --> 00:38:36.268
He could send someone else.
00:38:36.278 --> 00:38:36.638
Yes.
00:38:36.688 --> 00:38:37.508
Mm-hmm.
00:38:37.508 --> 00:38:38.468
I mean, He- Which is still an answer.
00:38:38.498 --> 00:38:39.118
Yeah.
00:38:39.598 --> 00:38:40.568
I mean- It could be a song.
00:38:40.578 --> 00:38:40.808
Yeah.
00:38:40.808 --> 00:38:41.528
Sheena's- It could be something
00:38:41.528 --> 00:38:43.648
Sheena's after me 24/7.
00:38:44.078 --> 00:38:44.258
Yeah.
00:38:44.428 --> 00:38:45.388
God has sent her.
00:38:46.388 --> 00:38:47.378
She is not parting- Yep.
00:38:47.378 --> 00:38:49.078
Shout out to Sheena … this
world without me.
00:38:49.948 --> 00:38:50.878
Shout out to you, Sheena.
00:38:50.888 --> 00:38:51.408
I love you.
00:38:51.918 --> 00:38:53.388
You're handcuffs to her.
00:38:53.458 --> 00:38:53.868
Yep.
00:38:53.908 --> 00:38:54.488
You're coming with me, Sheena.
00:38:54.488 --> 00:38:56.468
It's, she's, she's with me for life.
00:38:56.468 --> 00:38:57.218
She's, uh-
00:38:59.414 --> 00:39:06.044
She's special, yeah She is Yeah I love
her to death and, and, um, she's always
00:39:06.044 --> 00:39:11.274
got a special place in my heart because,
uh- Well, she- She, she's been through
00:39:11.274 --> 00:39:15.594
a lot and- Yeah, and she listens,
she hears God, and she gives people
00:39:16.554 --> 00:39:18.034
words and godly advice all the time.
00:39:18.314 --> 00:39:19.674
She's such an encourager.
00:39:19.674 --> 00:39:20.284
Mm-hmm.
00:39:20.284 --> 00:39:22.354
And she notices when you
ain't sitting in there.
00:39:22.564 --> 00:39:23.144
Mm-hmm.
00:39:23.444 --> 00:39:24.024
Yes, she does.
00:39:24.084 --> 00:39:27.424
I'm like, "How do you look at 800
people and tell I'm not there?"
00:39:29.394 --> 00:39:30.384
I said, "I was there.
00:39:30.384 --> 00:39:30.844
I just…
00:39:30.894 --> 00:39:31.874
I sat up front."
00:39:33.434 --> 00:39:34.434
Did she say, "Prove it"?
00:39:34.774 --> 00:39:35.084
Yeah.
00:39:35.084 --> 00:39:35.144
Yeah.
00:39:35.144 --> 00:39:35.684
She said, "Nuh-uh, 'cause
I went and looked."
00:39:35.684 --> 00:39:39.144
I, I'm gonna start, I, I'm
gonna start doing selfies.
00:39:39.154 --> 00:39:39.174
Yeah.
00:39:39.184 --> 00:39:41.724
You need to take a picture
every Sunday and send it in.
00:39:41.724 --> 00:39:45.184
You just need to find her, give her a
little hug, and be like, "Hi, Sheena.
00:39:45.184 --> 00:39:47.459
I'm gonna go sit over there
now," and then we're gonna go.
00:39:47.459 --> 00:39:49.714
Well, I usually, I usually
sit with her when I go.
00:39:49.724 --> 00:39:49.744
Yeah.
00:39:50.164 --> 00:39:51.504
Now, Sunday I sat with…
00:39:51.914 --> 00:39:53.224
Rhonda asked me to sit with her.
00:39:53.224 --> 00:39:54.844
That probably freaked some people out.
00:39:54.874 --> 00:39:55.684
They seen that.
00:39:55.684 --> 00:39:59.214
But- … I s- she was- Give
them something to talk about, I
00:39:59.214 --> 00:40:01.124
guess … she was down and out.
00:40:01.124 --> 00:40:07.764
And so, uh- … she needed prayer and,
and like I said, um, I'll sit anywhere.
00:40:07.984 --> 00:40:08.924
I'll sit with anybody.
00:40:09.994 --> 00:40:11.404
That's, Sheena says the same thing.
00:40:11.484 --> 00:40:11.744
Yeah.
00:40:11.744 --> 00:40:14.234
Like, Sheena's like, "I'll-"
She, she might- She moves around
00:40:14.234 --> 00:40:15.374
the- She don't have a spot.
00:40:15.414 --> 00:40:15.624
Yep.
00:40:15.784 --> 00:40:15.954
Nope.
00:40:15.974 --> 00:40:16.534
She doesn't.
00:40:16.534 --> 00:40:19.344
She does move around, look
for people to encourage.
00:40:19.384 --> 00:40:20.214
But she'll, uh…
00:40:20.654 --> 00:40:24.394
If, if, if I get there, she'll, uh,
she'll say, "Where you wanna sit?"
00:40:24.394 --> 00:40:25.774
And I'll say, "I wanna
sit on the front row."
00:40:25.984 --> 00:40:26.964
She'll sit right with me.
00:40:27.194 --> 00:40:27.544
Yep.
00:40:28.134 --> 00:40:29.254
Listen- That would not be me.
00:40:29.324 --> 00:40:31.424
Why is the front row so intimidating?
00:40:31.444 --> 00:40:37.204
I'll just tell you, I guess it's just
from growing up with Dad, and he's always
00:40:37.204 --> 00:40:38.244
like, "Be aware of your surroundings."
00:40:38.254 --> 00:40:39.494
What have you done, Ben?
00:40:40.174 --> 00:40:40.494
Kerrye.
00:40:40.854 --> 00:40:42.184
Like, don't you think?
00:40:42.184 --> 00:40:43.574
Like, you always- Yes.
00:40:43.764 --> 00:40:45.004
The front row was…
00:40:45.024 --> 00:40:48.894
It was within, like,
shoe-throwing distance.
00:40:48.904 --> 00:40:48.924
Yeah.
00:40:48.934 --> 00:40:50.474
You know, like, you
could get hit with stuff.
00:40:50.524 --> 00:40:54.764
Your parent could just quick come
on down and, like, pinch you.
00:40:54.774 --> 00:40:54.904
Yeah.
00:40:54.904 --> 00:40:56.064
Be like, "Act right."
00:40:56.144 --> 00:40:59.314
I think just- You know … even
in restaurants, I'm not gonna…
00:40:59.344 --> 00:41:01.724
I want to see the door, you know?
00:41:01.734 --> 00:41:03.544
That, I think, is growing up with a cop.
00:41:03.554 --> 00:41:04.354
That's what I was saying.
00:41:04.354 --> 00:41:04.456
Yeah.
00:41:04.456 --> 00:41:07.334
Like, growing up with Dad, I
just don't wanna be in the front.
00:41:07.784 --> 00:41:09.174
And neither your back not to the door.
00:41:09.174 --> 00:41:09.614
Yes.
00:41:09.924 --> 00:41:09.944
Yeah.
00:41:09.954 --> 00:41:10.884
I just wanna see what's going on.
00:41:10.884 --> 00:41:14.294
'Cause, like- And that's- Ben, Ben
used to sit on, like, the second
00:41:14.294 --> 00:41:15.744
and third row with me all the time.
00:41:15.934 --> 00:41:17.304
That's a pastor's kid thing.
00:41:17.304 --> 00:41:17.674
And then he became- Yeah.
00:41:17.684 --> 00:41:18.644
Well, yes.
00:41:18.644 --> 00:41:21.004
But then he became- Did your dad
ever call you out in the middle of
00:41:21.004 --> 00:41:23.354
s- No, my dad came and got onto me,
and sat me down in my chair, and
00:41:23.354 --> 00:41:24.414
spanked me in the middle of church.
00:41:24.494 --> 00:41:24.654
Oh.
00:41:24.664 --> 00:41:25.174
From the pulpit.
00:41:25.284 --> 00:41:25.554
My goodness.
00:41:25.564 --> 00:41:26.534
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:41:26.534 --> 00:41:27.574
So- Like, he walked down- Yeah
00:41:27.574 --> 00:41:28.424
pinched him and be done.
00:41:28.424 --> 00:41:28.582
Yeah.
00:41:28.582 --> 00:41:30.844
Dad just picked me up from the aisle
and spanked my butt and sat me down.
00:41:31.964 --> 00:41:32.924
And then gone back to preaching.
00:41:32.924 --> 00:41:34.164
I- I always got taken out.
00:41:34.174 --> 00:41:34.194
So.
00:41:34.194 --> 00:41:37.314
But, I mean, it was after Mom would
sing a song, and I'd be doing something,
00:41:37.314 --> 00:41:38.584
and she'd just walk right down.
00:41:39.664 --> 00:41:39.914
Came straight up.
00:41:39.914 --> 00:41:42.354
And, and listen, I deserved it.
00:41:42.454 --> 00:41:43.364
Oh, I do.
00:41:43.674 --> 00:41:44.014
Yeah, me too.
00:41:44.064 --> 00:41:44.769
But it did happen.
00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:44.932
Yeah.
00:41:44.932 --> 00:41:45.544
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:45.604 --> 00:41:45.844
Gosh.
00:41:45.844 --> 00:41:50.104
And, and yes, called out from the pulpit,
and it's usually, "Boy, sit down."
00:41:50.714 --> 00:41:56.144
I remember, I was not a pastor's kid,
but I remember hearing it, watching,
00:41:56.244 --> 00:41:59.884
you know, other pastors' kids get an,
"I wish my son would sit up and take no-
00:42:00.314 --> 00:42:02.144
na- take no to this service right now."
00:42:02.734 --> 00:42:04.374
And I would be like, "Oh-
No, no … that's cool."
00:42:04.434 --> 00:42:08.404
He would always say, if he got
in trouble, it was, "Boy" And it
00:42:08.404 --> 00:42:09.574
wasn't, my brother didn't set up.
00:42:09.694 --> 00:42:11.554
He knew when he said that- … we
knew he was talking about me.
00:42:12.184 --> 00:42:12.894
Joe never got in trouble.
00:42:13.514 --> 00:42:14.584
We knew it was me.
00:42:14.594 --> 00:42:16.694
And- Are, you- you're
the baby though, right?
00:42:16.704 --> 00:42:17.244
Yes.
00:42:17.244 --> 00:42:17.374
Yes.
00:42:17.374 --> 00:42:17.874
Yes.
00:42:17.904 --> 00:42:18.304
Yeah.
00:42:18.684 --> 00:42:20.244
And the busiest when I was a child.
00:42:21.494 --> 00:42:25.064
Busiest still- We- … as evidenced
by all of the clunking going on in
00:42:25.064 --> 00:42:26.584
the background and- He did that.
00:42:26.594 --> 00:42:30.194
No, that too, but also like it,
we just- I think we have two ADHD
00:42:30.194 --> 00:42:31.122
boys here between the two of us.
00:42:31.122 --> 00:42:32.954
We're just rattling
things around the table.
00:42:33.104 --> 00:42:33.114
Oh.
00:42:33.354 --> 00:42:36.174
This is gonna be a good- Yeah, we're just
gonna- I'm like- Jamie's been playing
00:42:36.174 --> 00:42:39.634
with his little glasses case, and Ben's
been doing- Ben's dealing with the-
00:42:39.634 --> 00:42:41.814
all the fidgets … little
board over there.
00:42:41.814 --> 00:42:44.884
And I'm like, "Okay, so any time
moving forward, that's a seat
00:42:44.904 --> 00:42:46.044
Ben is not allowed to sit in."
00:42:46.044 --> 00:42:46.304
Yeah.
00:42:46.344 --> 00:42:47.237
No, you can't sit there.
00:42:47.237 --> 00:42:47.314
Ben can't sit there.
00:42:47.314 --> 00:42:48.194
I'm trying to figure out what turn…
00:42:48.774 --> 00:42:49.674
I can't see the name tag.
00:42:49.674 --> 00:42:50.984
You- you're gonna have this
fly away here in a minute.
00:42:51.094 --> 00:42:51.924
Uh- It'll be all right.
00:42:52.374 --> 00:42:54.734
But, uh, um- There's no telling.
00:42:55.154 --> 00:42:57.334
But yeah, like- I was gonna say
something else … about Sheena?
00:42:58.024 --> 00:42:59.104
We were talking about Sheena.
00:42:59.114 --> 00:42:59.864
Oh, no.
00:42:59.944 --> 00:43:00.694
No, that's…
00:43:01.184 --> 00:43:01.694
Yeah.
00:43:01.874 --> 00:43:03.024
We've been off on a rabbit trail.
00:43:03.334 --> 00:43:03.584
We did.
00:43:03.584 --> 00:43:04.624
Yeah, we's- We went straight
down … where'd we go to?
00:43:04.624 --> 00:43:05.904
I was fixing to say something.
00:43:06.444 --> 00:43:07.814
About being in church and being quiet?
00:43:08.274 --> 00:43:15.044
No, I was gonna tell you, um, when my
mom and dad were married, I can, I can
00:43:15.164 --> 00:43:19.334
r- barely remember this, and I don't know
how because I can't remember what happened
00:43:19.334 --> 00:43:24.884
five years ago, but I can remember
flashes of stuff from my childhood.
00:43:24.884 --> 00:43:26.434
I wished I, I remembered more.
00:43:26.624 --> 00:43:30.604
But like I said, it was, it was hard.
00:43:31.334 --> 00:43:31.634
Yeah.
00:43:31.864 --> 00:43:35.264
And I remember, and it was about
sitting on the first and second row.
00:43:35.274 --> 00:43:37.904
You, y- you don't need
to do that with kids.
00:43:37.974 --> 00:43:38.094
No.
00:43:39.294 --> 00:43:41.484
Well- Because my mom and dad
and I was there, and I was…
00:43:42.304 --> 00:43:46.624
They were doing singing stuff,
and I, I was standing up on the,
00:43:46.624 --> 00:43:49.074
the pew, and they're standing
here, so I'm at the same height.
00:43:49.154 --> 00:43:49.674
I was little.
00:43:50.104 --> 00:43:50.554
Mm-hmm.
00:43:52.074 --> 00:43:55.994
And the, the, the pastor after
that song was over said, "Does
00:43:55.994 --> 00:43:57.894
anybody have any request?"
00:43:58.154 --> 00:43:58.934
Oh, goodness.
00:43:59.704 --> 00:44:03.904
Well- And before my parents could
stop me, I raised my hand and I
00:44:03.904 --> 00:44:06.354
said, "Play the Rhinestone Cowboy."
00:44:07.704 --> 00:44:09.434
Remember the Rhinestone Cowboy?
00:44:09.584 --> 00:44:10.144
Yes.
00:44:10.224 --> 00:44:12.404
I said- I do … "Play
the Rhinestone Cowboy."
00:44:12.904 --> 00:44:15.074
My dad grabbed me and we went- Oh
00:44:15.084 --> 00:44:16.064
straight out that door.
00:44:16.124 --> 00:44:18.034
Mom, they were so embarrassed.
00:44:18.044 --> 00:44:21.424
Now, after church, my dad calmed
down, 'cause it embarrassed him.
00:44:22.074 --> 00:44:23.614
Oh, they- It, it became funny.
00:44:24.054 --> 00:44:25.244
Well, you just- Well,
yeah … you just made him, you
00:44:25.244 --> 00:44:26.864
made, you put him on the map.
00:44:26.864 --> 00:44:30.091
Ev- you gave- Yes … everyone-
Something to talk about … everybody
00:44:30.091 --> 00:44:31.054
a reason … everybody.
00:44:31.204 --> 00:44:31.424
Yep.
00:44:31.444 --> 00:44:32.034
I'm sure.
00:44:32.034 --> 00:44:33.274
I've, I've got another one too.
00:44:33.974 --> 00:44:34.014
Great.
00:44:34.854 --> 00:44:34.874
Yeah.
00:44:34.884 --> 00:44:38.784
You know, I told you about
being held back in- Yeah.
00:44:38.834 --> 00:44:39.794
Mm-hmm … kindergarten.
00:44:41.254 --> 00:44:42.054
I, I had a…
00:44:42.054 --> 00:44:43.894
I, I, it was hard.
00:44:43.894 --> 00:44:45.504
School was hard for me until…
00:44:46.964 --> 00:44:47.504
It's okay.
00:44:47.804 --> 00:44:48.634
We don't care.
00:44:48.824 --> 00:44:50.524
Oh, I thought it was messing up something.
00:44:50.524 --> 00:44:51.694
No, no, no, it's okay.
00:44:51.764 --> 00:44:52.544
But, uh-
00:44:55.444 --> 00:44:56.904
… Dad put me in Catholic school.
00:44:57.344 --> 00:44:57.684
Oh.
00:45:00.554 --> 00:45:00.574
Yeah.
00:45:00.764 --> 00:45:03.154
I wasn't Catholic, but he put me-
00:45:03.154 --> 00:45:06.354
he put, he put me in Catholic school,
and that was the best thing he ever did.
00:45:06.494 --> 00:45:10.214
I learned more, I went from-
That's good … Bs and Fs- Was
00:45:10.214 --> 00:45:11.564
it the structure, do you think?
00:45:11.574 --> 00:45:11.964
The structure.
00:45:11.964 --> 00:45:14.764
Or the threat of getting your hand
smacked with a ruler, or what?
00:45:14.804 --> 00:45:15.834
Oh, no, they'd beat you.
00:45:16.044 --> 00:45:16.964
Them nuns would beat you.
00:45:18.004 --> 00:45:20.414
I've had, I've had my ear twisted.
00:45:20.434 --> 00:45:22.444
I've been hit with- We need some
more nuns in our lives … I've
00:45:22.444 --> 00:45:23.824
been hit with rulers.
00:45:24.344 --> 00:45:24.704
Yeah.
00:45:24.714 --> 00:45:32.334
Um, I've been slapped once, and I,
and the thing is, I couldn't go home.
00:45:32.364 --> 00:45:37.814
My dad wasn't one of them parents that if
I said the teacher did something bad to
00:45:37.814 --> 00:45:42.854
me, he'd go down there and wanna beat up
the teacher or file a complaint or sue.
00:45:42.874 --> 00:45:42.944
Mm-hmm.
00:45:43.614 --> 00:45:47.804
If I came home and I did something
wrong at school, it, I told
00:45:47.804 --> 00:45:49.104
him, I said, "She slapped me."
00:45:49.104 --> 00:45:49.974
He said, "Well, what'd you do?"
00:45:50.034 --> 00:45:54.334
And I said, "Well, I smarted off
when she told me to sit down."
00:45:54.344 --> 00:45:56.674
She- he said, "You deserve a slapping.
00:45:56.734 --> 00:45:57.684
Now you're grounded."
00:45:58.154 --> 00:45:59.474
I mean, he'd double-punish me.
00:45:59.574 --> 00:45:59.934
Uh-huh.
00:45:59.984 --> 00:46:02.274
He told, he tells my teachers
that- I know how that goes too
00:46:02.314 --> 00:46:05.744
he tells my teachers, "If you
don't whip him and he needs it,
00:46:06.134 --> 00:46:07.144
you're gonna have to deal with me."
00:46:07.924 --> 00:46:10.714
So I think all the teachers took
everything out on me, because
00:46:10.714 --> 00:46:12.024
I was the only one- They're
like, "I don't wanna deal with
00:46:12.024 --> 00:46:13.104
him" … my dad would get whipped.
00:46:13.104 --> 00:46:17.004
But we, I just started
Cath- Catholic school.
00:46:17.034 --> 00:46:21.544
It was the first day, and I got
called to the priest's office.
00:46:21.864 --> 00:46:22.864
Goodness, Jamie.
00:46:22.874 --> 00:46:23.964
R- right off the bat.
00:46:24.934 --> 00:46:29.804
I, and he just wanted to, uh, get to know,
he, he knows- Oh … all the students.
00:46:29.814 --> 00:46:29.844
Okay.
00:46:29.854 --> 00:46:32.314
And most of them, their
parents, they all go there.
00:46:32.324 --> 00:46:32.664
Yeah.
00:46:33.014 --> 00:46:38.204
Um, very few of us was from the
outside, and he said, he said,
00:46:38.204 --> 00:46:39.094
"Well, you don't have to be."
00:46:39.094 --> 00:46:42.864
He said, um, "Do y'all go to church?
00:46:42.894 --> 00:46:44.314
What, what kind of religion?"
00:46:45.084 --> 00:46:49.514
And I meant to say Protestant.
00:46:49.714 --> 00:46:50.704
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:46:51.034 --> 00:46:52.964
And I s- told him I was a prostitute.
00:46:53.904 --> 00:46:54.614
Oh, no.
00:46:56.484 --> 00:47:03.794
And he was like- He was, he was
trying so hard not to laugh.
00:47:04.484 --> 00:47:06.554
And I said- Oh … "No,
I, no, I'm, I'm…"
00:47:06.714 --> 00:47:08.054
He said, "You mean Protestant?"
00:47:08.224 --> 00:47:09.284
And I said, "Yes, sir.
00:47:09.404 --> 00:47:10.764
We, we go to First Assembly."
00:47:11.764 --> 00:47:13.974
My dad, that's the story.
00:47:14.264 --> 00:47:19.194
I mean, that, that story's been told I
don't know how many times- … across
00:47:19.274 --> 00:47:25.104
this state about me- Oh … going
into the fifth grade at Catholic, St.
00:47:25.104 --> 00:47:25.784
John's Catholic School.
00:47:27.404 --> 00:47:28.604
Oh, that was in town, okay.
00:47:28.684 --> 00:47:28.904
Yep.
00:47:28.934 --> 00:47:29.284
Yeah.
00:47:29.294 --> 00:47:29.614
Okay.
00:47:29.944 --> 00:47:31.964
Yeah, so- I thought you said
you grew up here as though.
00:47:31.964 --> 00:47:39.404
I did, um, when I, when I started Catholic
school that I started improving in school,
00:47:39.944 --> 00:47:44.044
and it, it set up a good base for me to go
into junior high and high school- Mm-hmm
00:47:44.054 --> 00:47:44.964
where I finished out.
00:47:45.014 --> 00:47:46.294
I didn't, we didn't…
00:47:46.474 --> 00:47:47.564
When I was going to St.
00:47:47.564 --> 00:47:51.714
John's, um- Well, they only go
up to the seventh … eighth,
00:47:51.714 --> 00:47:52.804
seventh or eighth grade.
00:47:53.374 --> 00:47:55.194
But now I think they go- Oh, do they?
00:47:55.364 --> 00:47:56.004
… 12, yeah.
00:47:56.004 --> 00:47:56.404
Okay.
00:47:56.404 --> 00:48:00.324
Yeah, they, they add- added some
room, and I think you can go to
00:48:00.324 --> 00:48:05.354
the 12th there, and then most of
the guys would go to Subiaco- Yeah.
00:48:05.614 --> 00:48:07.124
Yeah … after that.
00:48:07.714 --> 00:48:07.974
Yeah.
00:48:08.224 --> 00:48:08.954
But, um…
00:48:10.304 --> 00:48:10.594
Yeah.
00:48:10.774 --> 00:48:13.584
Well, that's- Yeah, that's, uh,
that was- That's hilarious … that
00:48:13.584 --> 00:48:14.654
was a culture shock for me.
00:48:15.024 --> 00:48:15.774
I bet.
00:48:16.404 --> 00:48:17.004
For them too.
00:48:17.224 --> 00:48:17.494
Yeah.
00:48:17.494 --> 00:48:19.844
Yeah, for part of my school,
my dad was the principal.
00:48:20.234 --> 00:48:21.774
I definitely got spankings at school.
00:48:21.934 --> 00:48:23.444
Principal, w- and a preacher?
00:48:23.444 --> 00:48:24.034
Yeah.
00:48:24.034 --> 00:48:24.474
Yeah.
00:48:24.564 --> 00:48:30.034
He st- he started a, uh, a, uh,
private school and, uh, was the, the
00:48:30.034 --> 00:48:31.184
principal of it for a little while.
00:48:32.154 --> 00:48:34.814
So the other kids got really freaked
out, 'cause when I did something
00:48:34.814 --> 00:48:37.434
wrong- The principal would come
in … I'd go, the principal would
00:48:37.434 --> 00:48:41.014
come give me a spanking, and they
were always worried they were next.
00:48:41.464 --> 00:48:42.519
They didn't know he was your dad.
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:42.697
So.
00:48:42.697 --> 00:48:43.254
He, yeah.
00:48:43.664 --> 00:48:44.404
They didn't realize.
00:48:44.824 --> 00:48:46.464
I guess they didn't put two
and two- Ben was the example.
00:48:46.504 --> 00:48:50.684
But Ben also has a, he's
got himself a temper.
00:48:50.684 --> 00:48:54.884
Ha- ha- has, currently has himself a
temper, but also really had a temper then.
00:48:54.894 --> 00:48:56.544
He threw a chair at a teacher.
00:48:57.074 --> 00:48:59.524
Like, you, you deserved some stuff.
00:48:59.524 --> 00:49:02.494
Like, these kids were not like, "Oh
my gosh, he was just sitting there."
00:49:02.594 --> 00:49:04.574
She screamed at me.
00:49:04.744 --> 00:49:05.234
She yelled at me.
00:49:05.644 --> 00:49:05.834
Did you deserve it?
00:49:05.844 --> 00:49:06.204
Oh, 100%.
00:49:06.204 --> 00:49:06.434
She
00:49:07.434 --> 00:49:07.704
yelled at me.
00:49:07.704 --> 00:49:07.767
She yelled at me.
00:49:07.767 --> 00:49:08.324
Y'all see what I deal with?
00:49:08.464 --> 00:49:09.784
My teachers loved me.
00:49:10.944 --> 00:49:11.434
Well.
00:49:11.534 --> 00:49:12.694
Well, you're lovable, Jamie.
00:49:13.204 --> 00:49:13.734
I am.
00:49:14.514 --> 00:49:18.114
You know, it's, it's weird, you were
talking about, like, Coo, the first time
00:49:18.114 --> 00:49:24.770
I met you- Um, I helped you cook for,
I think it was the- Party in the park
00:49:24.770 --> 00:49:25.890
… they were doing a party in the park.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:26.150
Yeah.
00:49:26.200 --> 00:49:27.130
Yeah, party in the park.
00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:27.540
Yeah.
00:49:27.540 --> 00:49:29.510
It's the very first time
I met you was cooking.
00:49:29.700 --> 00:49:31.140
Yeah, out there at the city park.
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.540
You know, we're gonna have- Yep
… we're gonna have jobs in heaven.
00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:35.190
Is this the kind of job you want?
00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:35.960
I was just thinking about that.
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:37.600
It's kind of odd that we're cooking
together and the- Yeah … the
00:49:37.600 --> 00:49:41.570
first time I ever heard your name,
I was, oop, cooking for the church.
00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:42.530
He kn- he knew it was gonna happen.
00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:43.040
To go help.
00:49:43.220 --> 00:49:43.470
Yeah.
00:49:43.690 --> 00:49:45.200
I was, I, I can't remember who.
00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:45.860
I don't know.
00:49:45.860 --> 00:49:48.300
I think, yeah, w- it was, um…
00:49:49.910 --> 00:49:52.680
It was when we were still w- you,
I think we might have still been
00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:54.070
helping with the youth still.
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:54.410
With the youth probably.
00:49:54.410 --> 00:49:54.770
Yeah.
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.720
Before you saw the- Back … light
and moved to the shade Well, yeah.
00:49:56.860 --> 00:49:57.270
Yeah.
00:49:57.270 --> 00:49:58.070
Awanas and all that.
00:49:58.100 --> 00:49:59.470
No, we were helping with the youth group.
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.450
Yeah, before we saw the light and moved-
00:50:04.330 --> 00:50:05.110
And they were like, "Go help"
Before you saw the light.
00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:05.218
And until we, yeah, until yeah.
00:50:05.218 --> 00:50:06.630
And then they were like, "Go help
Ja- you're gonna help Jamie cook,"
00:50:06.680 --> 00:50:07.570
and that's when I first met you.
00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:08.590
Cool.
00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:10.260
Would you want the job
of cooking in heaven?
00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:11.580
Yes.
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.380
I wanna know how to make
manna- Did you hear that, God?
00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:18.180
I wanna, I want to feed- At the
Last Supper … Jesus and God.
00:50:18.200 --> 00:50:18.620
I want to feed them.
00:50:18.620 --> 00:50:20.380
Or, or the, not supper, Last Supper.
00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:20.420
And here's the thing.
00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:21.730
The American supper would be like-
I think it would be good enough
00:50:21.890 --> 00:50:24.740
in heaven, we could make the
absolute perfect fluffy biscuit.
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:25.430
We could.
00:50:25.460 --> 00:50:25.920
Okay.
00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:27.850
We have trouble getting
them exactly right.
00:50:28.250 --> 00:50:29.110
No, you just said- Uh…
00:50:29.120 --> 00:50:32.180
Just Sunday they were, they
were as, as big as my s- phone.
00:50:32.650 --> 00:50:33.570
I don't know what you did.
00:50:33.670 --> 00:50:34.510
Talent is extended.
00:50:34.510 --> 00:50:34.767
I don't either.
00:50:34.767 --> 00:50:35.230
That's what I'm saying.
00:50:35.230 --> 00:50:36.710
In heaven it'll always be tall and fluffy.
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:37.150
He put the food…
00:50:37.160 --> 00:50:38.800
Yeah, they'd- … the
food would be perfect.
00:50:38.870 --> 00:50:40.350
Why wouldn't you wanna be a cook?
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.830
I mean, yeah.
00:50:42.830 --> 00:50:43.870
I'll be there to eat it, for sure.
00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:44.250
Yeah.
00:50:44.250 --> 00:50:45.620
Eat the perfect flavor of chocolate gravy.
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.130
Oh, man.
00:50:47.450 --> 00:50:47.460
Oh.
00:50:48.200 --> 00:50:50.460
And now- And then we wouldn't have
to worry about our blood sugar.
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.600
We'd eat all of it in one.
00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:51.960
Yeah.
00:50:52.250 --> 00:50:55.420
Blood sugar, or Alpha-gal,
now that I can't have gravy.
00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:55.790
Aw.
00:50:55.790 --> 00:50:57.310
Well, you can have the
chocolate gravy though.
00:50:57.490 --> 00:50:57.930
It's the, it's, it's
the diabetes that's…
00:50:57.930 --> 00:50:58.250
No, it's not.
00:50:58.480 --> 00:50:59.060
My diabetes.
00:50:59.890 --> 00:51:00.590
Oh, yeah.
00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:02.760
I have to bring more
insulin to church, Dave.
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.770
I'll tell you, that- Yeah … that makes
Sundays even better with the gravy.
00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:07.400
Yep.
00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:08.220
Oh.
00:51:08.250 --> 00:51:08.570
All right.
00:51:08.570 --> 00:51:10.360
Let's ask the, let's ask the question.
00:51:10.450 --> 00:51:11.020
Okay.
00:51:12.710 --> 00:51:13.830
You normally ask it.
00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:14.900
You, you started it.
00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:15.380
You finish it.
00:51:15.430 --> 00:51:16.100
Oh, all right.
00:51:16.460 --> 00:51:19.120
Um, first, first question.
00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:25.010
If you could go back into the Bible
days and relive, like, watch a
00:51:25.020 --> 00:51:28.630
story, you don't have to participate
necessarily, but you can if you want.
00:51:28.970 --> 00:51:31.300
What Bible story would
you choose to observe?
00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:33.800
We'll edit out the pause Yeah.
00:51:34.530 --> 00:51:36.070
We never do, but go ahead.
00:51:36.510 --> 00:51:40.680
Well, The part- And when we
usually need a pause, yeah … uh,
00:51:40.710 --> 00:51:41.760
the parting of the sea.
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:43.070
Okay, yeah.
00:51:43.160 --> 00:51:43.940
That is a good one.
00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:44.405
That is a good one.
00:51:44.405 --> 00:51:45.080
I don't think anybody's done that yet.
00:51:45.080 --> 00:51:45.690
Oh, wait a minute.
00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:46.790
Oh, you already said it.
00:51:46.850 --> 00:51:47.210
Too late.
00:51:48.040 --> 00:51:48.770
You can change it.
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:49.700
You can change it.
00:51:50.430 --> 00:51:51.100
Noah's Ark.
00:51:51.870 --> 00:51:52.130
Okay.
00:51:52.270 --> 00:51:53.970
Oh, but, but- Which part?
00:51:54.010 --> 00:51:55.550
Would you swim or would
you be on the boat?
00:51:56.290 --> 00:51:57.130
No, no.
00:51:57.130 --> 00:51:57.190
Would you swim?
00:52:00.010 --> 00:52:04.530
Right now, I might have a seat on Noah,
but it could, it could be I may be
00:52:04.530 --> 00:52:08.880
swimming, you know, or a raft on the back
being pulled- Okay … by mine there.
00:52:09.530 --> 00:52:13.130
And when I get all- Water skiing … when
I get it all together, Noah's gonna
00:52:13.150 --> 00:52:14.790
pull the rope and put me on board.
00:52:15.240 --> 00:52:16.660
So I, I'm, I got…
00:52:17.060 --> 00:52:19.280
What does Sheena say I don't need to do?
00:52:19.310 --> 00:52:20.860
Have one foot in, one foot out?
00:52:20.890 --> 00:52:21.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:21.680 --> 00:52:22.550
Well- Get on the boat.
00:52:22.690 --> 00:52:22.830
Yeah.
00:52:22.830 --> 00:52:24.160
That's- You gotta get
all the way in the boat.
00:52:24.180 --> 00:52:24.690
Yeah.
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.280
Yeah, I'm, I'm- My goodness … I'm,
I'm ready to get all in the
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:29.610
boat and, and I'm there.
00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:32.830
Have you ever been to Kentucky to
see the replica of the Noah's Ark?
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:33.230
No.
00:52:33.730 --> 00:52:34.880
You need to go.
00:52:35.640 --> 00:52:36.470
It's really good.
00:52:36.660 --> 00:52:38.280
I wanna go see the actual ark.
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:38.850
You know they found it.
00:52:38.850 --> 00:52:39.460
Yes, I saw.
00:52:40.570 --> 00:52:42.150
They put out some more stuff on that.
00:52:42.270 --> 00:52:42.450
Yeah.
00:52:42.470 --> 00:52:42.570
Yeah.
00:52:42.570 --> 00:52:44.320
Confirming- I mean, it's the
place where it was, right?
00:52:44.450 --> 00:52:44.700
Yeah.
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:45.010
Yeah.
00:52:45.230 --> 00:52:45.400
Yeah.
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:45.880
Well, they found the…
00:52:45.930 --> 00:52:47.080
I mean, they've got, like,
parts of the wood and stuff.
00:52:47.080 --> 00:52:47.260
They got parts of the wood.
00:52:47.260 --> 00:52:52.500
Well, and they, they just, um, did a
thing about having found, like, right
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:55.380
angles and, like, tunnels and stuff
under the where they think it is,
00:52:55.390 --> 00:52:59.680
so they're- Yeah … they're like,
"Oh, this looks to be like, yeah.
00:53:00.130 --> 00:53:00.710
Could be it."
00:53:02.628 --> 00:53:07.678
You know, going- Can y'all, the, the,
mag, the- Magnitude of it all … of
00:53:07.688 --> 00:53:10.718
the boat and what, what he did.
00:53:10.728 --> 00:53:14.338
You need to go, because it's
three stories, just like, you
00:53:14.338 --> 00:53:16.248
know, it's, it's made to size.
00:53:16.668 --> 00:53:18.288
It's just really, it's really good.
00:53:18.598 --> 00:53:22.148
But they ke- I mean, they, he put
every species of animal in there.
00:53:23.048 --> 00:53:23.338
Yeah.
00:53:23.938 --> 00:53:26.198
I wonder if he put them in
there as babies or as adults.
00:53:26.788 --> 00:53:26.938
I don't know.
00:53:26.938 --> 00:53:27.748
The Bible doesn't say.
00:53:27.748 --> 00:53:27.888
I don't know.
00:53:27.888 --> 00:53:28.718
I think babies.
00:53:28.718 --> 00:53:29.728
How do you fit some stuff?
00:53:29.738 --> 00:53:30.358
That's what I think.
00:53:30.358 --> 00:53:30.708
You know?
00:53:31.068 --> 00:53:31.818
Like an elephant.
00:53:32.098 --> 00:53:32.478
Yeah.
00:53:33.168 --> 00:53:33.768
I mean, it was big.
00:53:34.378 --> 00:53:35.278
Where'd he put the elephant?
00:53:35.378 --> 00:53:36.018
The wooly mammoth.
00:53:36.018 --> 00:53:37.428
That's what I'm saying,
like- Y'all need to go.
00:53:37.548 --> 00:53:39.318
Y'all, let's just plan a field trip.
00:53:39.668 --> 00:53:40.138
We can do that.
00:53:40.138 --> 00:53:41.008
It's only eight hours away.
00:53:41.558 --> 00:53:41.688
All right.
00:53:42.138 --> 00:53:42.618
I'll go.
00:53:42.858 --> 00:53:43.118
Yeah.
00:53:43.608 --> 00:53:44.648
You know I'm down for a road trip.
00:53:44.648 --> 00:53:45.416
I'm in charge of the music.
00:53:45.416 --> 00:53:47.868
I'm, I'm going back to this whole,
uh, watching the Red Sea part,
00:53:47.868 --> 00:53:49.778
'cause I grew up- … in church.
00:53:49.968 --> 00:53:52.508
And, and it's always been portrayed
to me that they were just walking
00:53:52.508 --> 00:53:54.828
down with walls of water around
them, looking at the fish swimming.
00:53:55.008 --> 00:53:56.808
And I'd like to know if you could- That's
a good movie If you knew some kids were
00:53:56.808 --> 00:54:00.088
like, "Pssh" You know, let's just go reach
in and grab a fish while we're crossing.
00:54:00.088 --> 00:54:02.618
You know, I- Was it like that or did you
just- I don't think so- I don't think so.
00:54:02.638 --> 00:54:05.478
No … because they had a
lot of trouble on their tail.
00:54:06.368 --> 00:54:06.788
Okay.
00:54:07.038 --> 00:54:09.968
But- When they parted the Red Sea,
so they wouldn't wanna go around.
00:54:10.298 --> 00:54:11.448
Wouldn't they being chased?
00:54:11.558 --> 00:54:11.888
How long…
00:54:11.908 --> 00:54:14.998
We did look that up once- It's- … how
long it took them to cross.
00:54:15.118 --> 00:54:16.768
We, it, they, I mean, they don't know.
00:54:16.778 --> 00:54:18.768
There was, like, millions
of people, though.
00:54:18.798 --> 00:54:19.088
Yeah.
00:54:19.278 --> 00:54:20.478
Like, so that's a lot.
00:54:20.508 --> 00:54:23.058
And w- and we talked to somebody
else about this, I think.
00:54:23.078 --> 00:54:27.622
I feel like, I can't remember if it was,
like, on the pod or just about the pod.
00:54:27.622 --> 00:54:27.838
Maybe this was about.
00:54:27.838 --> 00:54:28.348
I can't remember.
00:54:28.348 --> 00:54:30.438
And here's the thing, you know, people
say that that couldn't have happened.
00:54:31.178 --> 00:54:32.778
I watched a show, I can't
remember what it was.
00:54:32.818 --> 00:54:36.508
So- Of course you watched a show … so
it was, uh, uh, on, you know, it was,
00:54:36.548 --> 00:54:39.236
like, discovering different stories of
the Bible- Mm-hmm … and proving them.
00:54:39.236 --> 00:54:39.508
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:39.508 --> 00:54:42.928
And they went to the area and they
found a different, it- Crossing … it
00:54:42.928 --> 00:54:44.828
wasn't c- it was the Sea of Reeds.
00:54:44.938 --> 00:54:45.148
The Reed Sea.
00:54:45.148 --> 00:54:45.548
Right, right.
00:54:45.628 --> 00:54:46.018
Right?
00:54:46.748 --> 00:54:50.138
And there is a weather phenomenon
that has been documented to happen-
00:54:50.638 --> 00:54:54.098
Mm-hmm … going across this shallow
area, this muddy area, where the wind
00:54:54.098 --> 00:54:58.568
will change and blow, and literally
blow the water back into the sea.
00:54:58.888 --> 00:54:59.078
Yeah.
00:54:59.078 --> 00:55:01.748
And it will blow the wa- the,
it will dry up and be walkable.
00:55:02.908 --> 00:55:03.108
Mm.
00:55:03.128 --> 00:55:07.808
And then once the wind changes, the
water comes back, it's not passable.
00:55:08.668 --> 00:55:08.798
Mm.
00:55:08.798 --> 00:55:10.738
And they think that that is
where they crossed at, is that
00:55:10.738 --> 00:55:12.188
the winds blew the water out.
00:55:12.488 --> 00:55:14.192
I just feel like- They crossed the winds.
00:55:14.192 --> 00:55:16.338
And the water came back … was
it, was it, like…
00:55:17.598 --> 00:55:17.928
Okay.
00:55:17.938 --> 00:55:19.938
Y- you're a beachgoer.
00:55:20.098 --> 00:55:21.008
Like, you know.
00:55:21.058 --> 00:55:23.838
Like, was it, like, fluffy, fluffy sand?
00:55:23.848 --> 00:55:25.668
Or was it, like, packed, wet sand?
00:55:26.298 --> 00:55:26.928
Why was it there?
00:55:26.928 --> 00:55:28.378
I, I'm asking your opinion.
00:55:28.378 --> 00:55:28.958
My gosh.
00:55:28.958 --> 00:55:31.538
Well, well, here's the thing,
though, was, I m- the Bible says
00:55:31.538 --> 00:55:33.958
that when the chariots tried to
cross, they got muddy and got stuck.
00:55:34.388 --> 00:55:34.588
Right.
00:55:34.588 --> 00:55:35.608
And that's why the water drowned them.
00:55:36.648 --> 00:55:36.888
Right.
00:55:36.888 --> 00:55:37.068
Yeah, that's true.
00:55:37.068 --> 00:55:41.318
But what I'm saying is, like, you know
how hard it is to walk on fluffy sand.
00:55:41.878 --> 00:55:42.138
You know?
00:55:42.138 --> 00:55:44.068
So- It's also- It might be hard
to run a chariot over it, too
00:55:44.358 --> 00:55:44.684
when I say I like the beach.
00:55:44.684 --> 00:55:44.978
Well, I'm sure.
00:55:44.978 --> 00:55:49.228
It says the Red Sea is
approximately 190 to 221 miles.
00:55:49.988 --> 00:55:51.028
It would've taken a little bit.
00:55:51.328 --> 00:55:52.118
Taken a while.
00:55:52.458 --> 00:55:54.798
How, how far across is the Sea of Reeds?
00:55:56.996 --> 00:56:01.846
'Cause maybe that's just King James
being like, "What's the Sea of Reeds?
00:56:01.946 --> 00:56:03.336
Uh, they must mean the Red Sea."
00:56:03.386 --> 00:56:03.716
I don't know.
00:56:04.116 --> 00:56:08.026
I, I, I can't, I can't remember the show I
was watching, but he went- It's out there.
00:56:08.156 --> 00:56:11.116
People will know … he went, like,
there was amazing things that he was,
00:56:11.466 --> 00:56:14.166
like- I remember watching that with
you … found the original location of
00:56:14.166 --> 00:56:18.446
Sodom and Gomorrah, like- Yeah … and,
and actually found the, the, uh
00:56:21.444 --> 00:56:22.854
Sulfur and Mm-hmm.
00:56:24.214 --> 00:56:24.544
Brimstone
00:56:24.813 --> 00:56:25.213
brimstone.
00:56:25.213 --> 00:56:27.603
They actually found brimstone, like
chunk, like this, and you could
00:56:27.633 --> 00:56:30.613
tell the, where the city was, but
it was covered with brimstone.
00:56:30.683 --> 00:56:30.793
Mm.
00:56:30.793 --> 00:56:31.713
And he was like, "This is brimstone."
00:56:32.483 --> 00:56:34.213
And oh, by the way, here's all the sulfur.
00:56:34.643 --> 00:56:34.873
Yeah.
00:56:34.903 --> 00:56:37.491
Which is either the city had
been destroyed, and so they
00:56:37.491 --> 00:56:37.589
actually found the location.
00:56:37.589 --> 00:56:42.093
Well, that's because archeology, try as
they might, they- True archeology proves
00:56:42.093 --> 00:56:43.223
the Bible … that's what I'm saying.
00:56:43.223 --> 00:56:46.123
Like- … they keep trying to
disprove, but every time they
00:56:46.123 --> 00:56:50.343
try out to disprove, they end up
accidentally proving it correct.
00:56:50.353 --> 00:56:50.373
Yeah.
00:56:50.393 --> 00:56:50.738
Proving it correct.
00:56:50.738 --> 00:56:53.023
And, and finding actual,
actual illustrations- Yeah
00:56:53.023 --> 00:56:57.713
and, and- Yeah … uh, uh,
Egyptian hieroglyphics that-
00:56:57.913 --> 00:56:59.663
Yeah … talk about the Israelites.
00:57:00.323 --> 00:57:00.813
Crazy.
00:57:01.023 --> 00:57:03.933
Well, it said- And stuff, yeah … when
that was a different thing.
00:57:03.943 --> 00:57:03.963
Yeah.
00:57:03.983 --> 00:57:05.613
So 50 miles across.
00:57:05.783 --> 00:57:06.083
Yeah.
00:57:06.433 --> 00:57:09.673
So if it takes you, what, 15
minutes to walk a mile, but they
00:57:09.673 --> 00:57:09.945
had so many people with them.
00:57:09.945 --> 00:57:10.093
Well, but that's, that's
my thing, like- And they're
00:57:10.093 --> 00:57:10.183
carrying, probably carrying stuff.
00:57:11.243 --> 00:57:11.443
Well,
00:57:14.163 --> 00:57:17.183
they carried all the wealth of Egypt.
00:57:17.383 --> 00:57:17.793
Yeah.
00:57:17.983 --> 00:57:18.033
They got…
00:57:18.033 --> 00:57:19.563
They had a lot of stuff.
00:57:19.683 --> 00:57:24.103
But also, like, sometimes in my
mind's eye when I think about
00:57:24.103 --> 00:57:25.723
it, it's like a narrow pathway.
00:57:25.963 --> 00:57:26.453
You know what I mean?
00:57:26.753 --> 00:57:28.903
And then sometimes I'm like,
"There's no way it could've been
00:57:28.903 --> 00:57:29.843
like-" Mm … "a narrow pathway."
00:57:29.843 --> 00:57:29.859
Mm-hmm.
00:57:29.859 --> 00:57:32.243
It had to have been miles and miles wide.
00:57:32.243 --> 00:57:32.293
Massive.
00:57:32.293 --> 00:57:34.923
And also- That may be what it was
saying is like- Yeah … it, when
00:57:34.923 --> 00:57:38.563
it parted, it was this wide, but
for, to go across was only 50 miles.
00:57:38.603 --> 00:57:39.103
Right.
00:57:39.923 --> 00:57:41.293
But it was like 120 miles across.
00:57:41.293 --> 00:57:42.153
But the Reed Sea- Probably
whatever … the Reed Sea is what
00:57:42.153 --> 00:57:43.895
the Hebrews were talking about.
00:57:43.895 --> 00:57:45.133
That was the original.
00:57:46.013 --> 00:57:46.263
Yeah.
00:57:47.023 --> 00:57:47.233
Yeah.
00:57:47.233 --> 00:57:48.923
We gotta- Um- We gotta look some stuff up.
00:57:48.923 --> 00:57:48.943
Yeah.
00:57:49.143 --> 00:57:50.143
Gotta talk to Dean.
00:57:50.153 --> 00:57:50.623
But, yeah.
00:57:50.633 --> 00:57:53.723
But anyway, I mean, still that's
50 miles with a lot of people.
00:57:53.723 --> 00:57:53.733
Yeah.
00:57:53.733 --> 00:57:53.783
That's a lot of people.
00:57:53.783 --> 00:57:54.343
You think- Exactly.
00:57:54.373 --> 00:57:56.263
You know, that's- Gonna take a while.
00:57:56.273 --> 00:57:56.843
That's gonna take a while.
00:57:56.843 --> 00:57:58.153
You have old people they're carrying.
00:57:58.153 --> 00:58:00.603
You have- Well, if, if, so,
so think of it this way.
00:58:00.823 --> 00:58:06.613
Um, back in the Old West, let's say when
somebody was moving west, they're, let's
00:58:06.613 --> 00:58:09.883
say it was a wagon train of 50- Mm-hmm
00:58:09.883 --> 00:58:10.983
50 people, right?
00:58:11.253 --> 00:58:12.053
A long wagon train.
00:58:12.803 --> 00:58:16.843
Their, uh, average per
day was 20 miles a day.
00:58:17.373 --> 00:58:17.493
Mm.
00:58:17.493 --> 00:58:18.743
And that's just with 50 people.
00:58:19.123 --> 00:58:19.493
Yeah.
00:58:20.203 --> 00:58:23.973
So that'll give you an idea of, you
know- Yeah … you know- Yeah … 100,000
00:58:24.013 --> 00:58:25.653
people or a million people- Yeah.
00:58:25.653 --> 00:58:27.963
Yeah … how long it would take
them to cross that is gonna be
00:58:27.993 --> 00:58:30.643
exponentially more time than- Yeah.
00:58:30.903 --> 00:58:33.203
And even though they were being-
You know … they were being chased,
00:58:33.213 --> 00:58:35.023
they weren't right up on their heels.
00:58:35.393 --> 00:58:35.993
Correct.
00:58:36.223 --> 00:58:36.463
So.
00:58:36.473 --> 00:58:38.233
Like, they had, they had some time.
00:58:39.283 --> 00:58:40.403
But interesting.
00:58:40.543 --> 00:58:43.023
But- So, all right … what was
the other question you said?
00:58:43.023 --> 00:58:43.623
Superhero.
00:58:43.673 --> 00:58:44.203
Oh, yeah.
00:58:44.203 --> 00:58:44.477
What was that?
00:58:44.477 --> 00:58:48.643
If you could have a superhero
power, what would you want?
00:58:49.693 --> 00:58:50.463
Any power.
00:58:52.601 --> 00:58:54.681
We sprung this on you 'cause we
didn't tell you it was coming
00:58:55.681 --> 00:59:01.041
Man You can think about it Is
this, is this- It's not a pass or
00:59:01.041 --> 00:59:03.151
fail, so you know- Yeah … we're
not gonna hold you back a grade.
00:59:03.961 --> 00:59:04.881
Ben Tucker.
00:59:05.041 --> 00:59:05.361
Whoa.
00:59:07.571 --> 00:59:10.031
Hey, he's been a cop for 30 years.
00:59:10.031 --> 00:59:11.821
He knows, he knows trash and he's fine.
00:59:13.481 --> 00:59:16.721
I've had a lot worse
than- … Ben about me.
00:59:17.371 --> 00:59:20.301
Uh- Yeah, he's been in a shift
change room … I, I don't wanna
00:59:20.301 --> 00:59:24.401
sound arrogant or- Just say it
00:59:24.401 --> 00:59:24.881
power…
00:59:25.021 --> 00:59:25.681
Jesus.
00:59:27.751 --> 00:59:28.891
Why not go for it all?
00:59:28.891 --> 00:59:29.041
Everything.
00:59:30.281 --> 00:59:31.321
No, seriously.
00:59:33.091 --> 00:59:37.981
You could have The Incredible Hulk,
or you could have Superman, or, or
00:59:38.281 --> 00:59:43.111
if you had them powers, or Spider-Man
and do stuff like that, but-
00:59:45.267 --> 00:59:48.587
Man, to have the power of Jesus
I mean, and you have him in you,
00:59:48.587 --> 00:59:49.937
so- Yeah … you already have it.
00:59:50.037 --> 00:59:53.117
You already- Yeah … you, you're
already there, and if you could,
00:59:53.507 --> 00:59:56.667
if you had the power to, to
heal and touch so many people.
00:59:57.637 --> 00:59:58.527
You do have that.
00:59:59.207 --> 00:59:59.797
Through Jesus.
00:59:59.997 --> 01:00:00.337
Yeah.
01:00:00.397 --> 01:00:01.117
Through Jesus.
01:00:01.147 --> 01:00:02.267
We, we've been given it by commandment.
01:00:02.627 --> 01:00:02.937
Yeah.
01:00:02.937 --> 01:00:05.297
Well, I told you I wanted it, so I got it.
01:00:05.387 --> 01:00:05.637
Yeah.
01:00:05.677 --> 01:00:06.127
Okay.
01:00:06.307 --> 01:00:07.487
What else would you want?
01:00:07.557 --> 01:00:08.087
What else?
01:00:08.127 --> 01:00:08.767
What else?
01:00:08.827 --> 01:00:10.007
Did I need to pick something else?
01:00:10.027 --> 01:00:10.227
No.
01:00:10.227 --> 01:00:10.797
No, no, no, no, no.
01:00:10.797 --> 01:00:12.047
I'm just saying, what else could you want?
01:00:12.047 --> 01:00:12.377
She said, yeah.
01:00:12.477 --> 01:00:17.595
Yeah, I mean, that would, you
would have- Love, compassion,
01:00:17.595 --> 01:00:23.805
forgiveness Mm-hmm Um Anger
Righteous anger Righteous anger Yeah.
01:00:24.305 --> 01:00:27.755
Um The bill- You'd have the ability-
The ability to make a whip Yeah.
01:00:28.025 --> 01:00:28.205
Yeah.
01:00:28.495 --> 01:00:29.445
To he- to help.
01:00:29.515 --> 01:00:31.945
I mean to- Yeah … to do, to, to heal.
01:00:32.805 --> 01:00:35.795
Potato, pota- I guess a whip, yeah,
that, a whip would help, yeah.
01:00:35.815 --> 01:00:36.845
When you need it.
01:00:36.845 --> 01:00:36.865
Yes.
01:00:36.865 --> 01:00:37.325
Yeah.
01:00:37.345 --> 01:00:37.685
When you're married.
01:00:38.015 --> 01:00:38.455
Hey, sometimes…
01:00:40.335 --> 01:00:40.775
Moving on.
01:00:40.985 --> 01:00:41.355
I mean…
01:00:43.335 --> 01:00:43.655
We went there.
01:00:43.655 --> 01:00:45.225
Sometimes you just need
to beat some folks.
01:00:45.285 --> 01:00:45.895
We turned, yeah.
01:00:46.175 --> 01:00:48.665
I mean, he, he had a whip at one point.
01:00:48.665 --> 01:00:48.755
Yeah.
01:00:48.765 --> 01:00:50.375
He, he made a whip.
01:00:50.405 --> 01:00:52.805
He took the time to braid- He
flipped those tables … the whip.
01:00:54.015 --> 01:00:54.785
Who made one?
01:00:54.785 --> 01:00:54.985
Jesus.
01:00:54.985 --> 01:00:55.545
Jesus.
01:00:55.605 --> 01:00:56.213
Remember when he flipped the tables?
01:00:56.213 --> 01:00:56.805
Oh, he made a whip.
01:00:56.835 --> 01:00:57.255
Yeah.
01:00:57.355 --> 01:00:58.505
Well, when- When he flipped the tables.
01:00:58.625 --> 01:01:02.175
Yes … when he went into the synagogue
and said, and you- You're doing this wrong
01:01:02.185 --> 01:01:02.825
"You're doing this wrong.
01:01:02.825 --> 01:01:05.365
You've made this a den of
thieves" and wa-ta-wa-ta-wa.
01:01:05.775 --> 01:01:06.475
Let's go to town.
01:01:06.825 --> 01:01:07.755
He got mad.
01:01:07.875 --> 01:01:09.025
Yeah, he did.
01:01:09.355 --> 01:01:09.501
Yeah, he did.
01:01:09.501 --> 01:01:09.628
He did.
01:01:09.628 --> 01:01:09.755
He did.
01:01:09.755 --> 01:01:12.465
He got mad and sat down and braided
a whip- You know why he got so mad?
01:01:12.525 --> 01:01:13.175
… and he said, "I'm gonna handle this."
01:01:13.295 --> 01:01:14.405
You wanna know why he got so mad?
01:01:14.815 --> 01:01:15.355
People.
01:01:15.555 --> 01:01:16.915
They were disrespecting his daddy.
01:01:17.135 --> 01:01:17.605
Yeah.
01:01:18.135 --> 01:01:18.735
That's true.
01:01:18.765 --> 01:01:19.915
That is one way to look at it.
01:01:19.915 --> 01:01:20.197
That's one way.
01:01:20.197 --> 01:01:20.385
It works.
01:01:20.385 --> 01:01:20.965
That's a powerful point of view.
01:01:20.965 --> 01:01:22.695
You disrespected my father.
01:01:22.695 --> 01:01:24.785
Let me show you what happens
when you disrespect my father.
01:01:24.845 --> 01:01:25.675
Don't do it.
01:01:26.305 --> 01:01:26.425
Yeah.
01:01:26.425 --> 01:01:26.835
Don't do it.
01:01:26.835 --> 01:01:27.565
Don't do it.
01:01:28.275 --> 01:01:28.845
Man, that was- That's a different way to
look at it … that was, that was- But
01:01:28.845 --> 01:01:30.975
I think it's a good way to look at it
01:01:31.045 --> 01:01:32.475
that was powerful right there.
01:01:32.655 --> 01:01:32.835
Yeah.
01:01:32.885 --> 01:01:33.385
Wouldn't even take it to Africa.
01:01:33.385 --> 01:01:34.415
Don't mess with my daddy.
01:01:37.085 --> 01:01:37.405
He comes in hot.
01:01:37.595 --> 01:01:37.715
My man.
01:01:37.715 --> 01:01:37.819
Singing Jesus.
01:01:37.819 --> 01:01:38.125
He's been having mercy on you.
01:01:38.125 --> 01:01:38.995
I'm coming in here with a whip.
01:01:39.085 --> 01:01:40.435
Could we get Jesus with a whip?
01:01:40.445 --> 01:01:40.465
Yeah.
01:01:40.475 --> 01:01:42.925
We'll make T-shirts,
don't mess with my daddy.
01:01:43.145 --> 01:01:43.425
Yes.
01:01:44.125 --> 01:01:44.815
Oh, my gosh.
01:01:45.415 --> 01:01:47.465
You know, we could, we
could make some money.
01:01:49.035 --> 01:01:51.125
Just him flipping over a
table with a whip in his hand.
01:01:51.205 --> 01:01:51.475
Yeah.
01:01:51.475 --> 01:01:54.295
We, we might be doing just
what he said don't do.
01:01:55.065 --> 01:01:55.625
Oh.
01:01:55.775 --> 01:01:55.915
Yeah.
01:01:55.915 --> 01:01:57.643
Well, I mean, if we- If we
didn't sell it in a church … we
01:01:57.643 --> 01:01:58.445
sew it into the kingdom.
01:01:58.485 --> 01:01:59.035
It don't- It's true.
01:01:59.125 --> 01:01:59.465
Mm-hmm.
01:01:59.465 --> 01:01:59.985
Go to mission.
01:01:59.995 --> 01:02:00.015
Yeah.
01:02:00.245 --> 01:02:04.015
Is the, is the, is the, uh, uh,
children's church area, is that
01:02:04.135 --> 01:02:05.075
technically part of the church?
01:02:05.075 --> 01:02:06.285
Uh, we, we do…
01:02:06.905 --> 01:02:07.985
We can sell it in the parking lot.
01:02:08.255 --> 01:02:09.295
The, the graveyard.
01:02:09.295 --> 01:02:10.535
Can you not sell them in the ch- in East?
01:02:10.585 --> 01:02:11.165
We're just kidding.
01:02:11.625 --> 01:02:12.095
Oh, okay.
01:02:12.095 --> 01:02:12.125
We're just kidding.
01:02:12.125 --> 01:02:13.095
We're just teasing.
01:02:13.105 --> 01:02:14.025
We're just kidding.
01:02:14.065 --> 01:02:15.035
I've got real shirts.
01:02:15.035 --> 01:02:16.675
Man, we got- We bought
some stuff … we're, uh.
01:02:16.685 --> 01:02:17.925
That's a great shirt idea.
01:02:17.975 --> 01:02:19.345
We got some shirts, yeah.
01:02:20.005 --> 01:02:20.025
Yeah.
01:02:20.065 --> 01:02:21.895
Now, see, what they were doing
was a little bit different.
01:02:22.205 --> 01:02:26.415
They were, they were taking
advantage of people in the temple.
01:02:26.505 --> 01:02:26.995
Yes.
01:02:27.675 --> 01:02:28.395
Oh, yeah.
01:02:28.395 --> 01:02:28.405
Yes.
01:02:28.405 --> 01:02:28.435
There's a difference.
01:02:28.435 --> 01:02:28.615
Yeah.
01:02:28.625 --> 01:02:30.285
They were, they were thieving.
01:02:30.495 --> 01:02:30.715
Yeah.
01:02:30.725 --> 01:02:34.205
They were stealing and, and- And
they was using God's name to do it.
01:02:34.205 --> 01:02:34.258
Uh-huh.
01:02:34.258 --> 01:02:34.301
Correct.
01:02:34.301 --> 01:02:35.075
Listen, if you wanna be- Yes
01:02:35.505 --> 01:02:38.035
if you wanna be righteous, you gotta
buy this from us here to go do this.
01:02:38.035 --> 01:02:38.215
Yeah.
01:02:38.215 --> 01:02:41.555
And then- Kinda like those- Preying
on people … old televangelists
01:02:41.595 --> 01:02:43.715
that are like- Mm-hmm … I'll
send you a prayer cloth.
01:02:43.725 --> 01:02:47.105
Or there's, there's a current one
that's getting some heat right now.
01:02:47.445 --> 01:02:48.935
We won't talk about that on our podcast.
01:02:49.015 --> 01:02:50.555
I'm not supposed to mention his name.
01:02:51.555 --> 01:02:53.245
All right, y'all have been- There's,
there's been one of them, but- Well,
01:02:53.245 --> 01:02:55.825
I mean, I was, I was thinking of one
in particular and- Do y'all get to- In
01:02:55.825 --> 01:02:57.825
Texas … do you get to, do you get to
tell me after we- Oh, I've seen both
01:02:57.825 --> 01:02:58.105
… after- Yes, after we go off the air.
01:02:58.105 --> 01:02:58.335
Yeah.
01:03:00.365 --> 01:03:01.545
Once I hit stop.
01:03:01.885 --> 01:03:02.025
Oh.
01:03:02.725 --> 01:03:05.115
Well, Jamie- Yeah … thank you
so much for coming on and- Well,
01:03:05.115 --> 01:03:07.895
thank you … we will see you
next time, hear you next time.
01:03:08.095 --> 01:03:08.418
Yes, ma'am.
01:03:08.418 --> 01:03:08.480
Yep.
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:08.543
Bye.
01:03:08.543 --> 01:03:08.606
Bye.
01:03:08.606 --> 01:03:08.731
See you.
01:03:08.731 --> 01:03:08.919
That was good.
01:03:08.919 --> 01:03:09.045
See you.
01:03:09.045 --> 01:03:10.095
I liked it