Stat-Master Jon Heddles (MTP)

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What is up everybody? Scott Jeger here with another edition
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of Challenge Mania. But this is a special episode of
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Challenge Mania. This is what we like to call Meet
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the Patrons. Now, if you're a relatively new Challenge Mania listener,
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you might not know what Media Patrons is because we
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done an episode of Meet the Patrons at quite some time.
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So I'm gonna tell you what it is.
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Well, if you go to Challengemaniacs dot com, you can
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join what we call the pod Squad. That of course
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makes you one of our faithful patrons, and every now
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and then we like to grab one of them, put
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them in the hot.
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Seat and interview them Challenge Mania style.
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can win one of our contests, you can win our
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You know why you would be good on Meet the Patrons,
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And we do promise we're going to try to pick
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this up and try to do at least one every
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two months or so because.
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We haven't slack and we know there's a lot of
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you guys in the queue.
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Well in the queue today and first up on this
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new wave of Meet the Patrons episodes is somebody that
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you may know if you're a Challenge Maniacs dot com
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faithful or you may have heard his name on the podcast,
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and he is very integral to a lot of the
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stuff we do. He's always submitting stats on almost every
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single episode of the podcast. He's keeping us in check
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while also informing the Challenge Maniacs just how many elimination
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wins somebody has or how long somebody's been on the show.
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And he actually helps me put together stuff like.
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The Hall of Fame ballots.
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So joining us today, mister John Hetles, what is up,
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my friend?
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Well, thank you guys for having me. I've been waiting
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seven years for Scott Beavior Challenge Mania intro, so we'll
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lived up to the high ha ha.
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Yeah, you're like our unofficial official stat guy, like the
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Unofficial Challenge podcast as opposed to the Official Challenge Podcast.
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I'm sure they have a stat that guy somewhere in there.
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I'm sure they do not.
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Yeah, the Official Challenge podcast does not have a stat anything.
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I feel like, I feel.
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Like the original stat guy was like Alan Geary who
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then kind of just went off and did his own thing,
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but very well respected.
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To Tony Reality on what is part of the interruption,
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and that's the original stat guy. We got to get
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props to Tony Reality. Yeah, but no, you wanted Alan
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Gary Well, the original Allen stat guy.
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You wanted to know.
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First of all, Let's just say this, Alan Geary is
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in his own way, very much a stack guy. He
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just wrote an article this week the I think it
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was your casting profile for season forty, and in it
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he had this really cool passage that I that I
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retweeted and everyone thought I was talking about myself, but no,
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it's what Alan was saying about you, which is that Alan,
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I guess, started writing about the Challenge back during Dirty
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thirty and he said one of the first posts he
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ever did was your bio or breakdown for Dirty thirty
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and that you gave him such positive reinforcement that it
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sort of motivated him to now still to this day,
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whatever it is, seven years later, still doing what he does,
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which is breakdown every single cast member going into the seasons,
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breaks down every trailer, and we had him on Challenge
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Mania very early on, and yes you did at some
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point want him to kind of be our recurring stack guy.
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We don't really have a stack guy on the show
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very often, but somebody that gets in the way. D
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I don't know if he knows about Anne Gary. He's
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not like a Challenge but I don't even think he's
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a Challenge many a patron. So like what John does
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is invaluable, which is he is very plugged into challengemaniacs
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dot com. And by the way, Alan, we love you.
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It doesn't matter if you're not a patron. But like,
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like a lot of the stuff that Alan posts, I
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mean that John posts, he posts on our patreon, and
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to me, it's like this added bonus for our patreon
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where when you go to challengemaniacs dot com, if one
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of our episodes comes up, if there's any controversy over
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this or that and the other thing, John is providing
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like in detail every single stat and he's very plugged
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in not just to the Challenge world, but to the
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challenge Mania world.
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And as much as Alan loves you and loves the Challenge.
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I feel like he's a bit of a I would
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say on the Challenge Maniac scale for the podcast, he's
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probably like a three or four, whereas John Hittles is
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a ten point ten here in the world of Challenge Mania.
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Let me yeah, let me just say Alan's a great guy.
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It's an honor to be successor to him, I guess
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in the stats world. I got to meet him in Phoenix. Yeah,
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he's awesome and very supportive on social media and stuff.
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So shout out to Alan for sure.
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Yeah, yeah, no, Like I mean, like, what you bring
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to the table, what you bring to the Challenge Mania
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community is what's what's the what's the word called invaluable, invaluable, unparalleled.
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I don't know. I don't know about that. I do
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have to give it a shout out to at Challenge
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Stats on h on Instagram and Twitter as well. I
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know they do.
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They make it look really nice and pretty. By the way,
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yours is always like blacks of text. That guy knows
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how to make a graphic. Yeah, bounce the Challenge Stats
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with the graphics. He's always doing the confessional counts too,
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I believe, right.
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Uh so that's someone different on Reddit and then I
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think he just transfers it over that that guy's Will
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Will Simon, he's big on Big Ugh Rob is a
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podcast that.
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Will from America America.
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Yeah okay, but but but he translates that into the
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cool graphics with the bars and everything like that.
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So shouts to Challenge Stats as well, and.
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Then of course we have got we've got the challenge
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historian that that that we met.
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I think that challenge when your Life Chicago.
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At some point he's starting to kind of show his
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face out, got great great.
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Beard that guy. Yep, yep, yep.
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But what let me just say this, this is part
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of this is our this is our Challenge Stats historian
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guy right here, John Adams everybody.
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But he's also sort of become a bit of a
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consolieri for me, at least, I'm constantly asking him his
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opinion on things, uh stat wise as well, but also
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just like, hey, what do you think of this?
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What do you think of that?
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And obviously he's got the stat mind behind it, but
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you know, you kind of trial and error with this
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from people over the years.
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Shouts at Derek Q Tech.
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Who's probably spent I don't know, six million hours on
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the phone with me, but I could tell over the years,
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Derek Q Tech's get kind of tired of us and
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tired of me calling him every day asking him what
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the fuck everyone is saying.
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So I've given you Tech, I think about a year
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off at this point.
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And now, by the way, I don't really care as
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much about a lot of the shit, but when I
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do have a question about, Hey, how do you think
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people would react to this?
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Or what do you think about that? Or are people
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saying about this?
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Hedles is very plugged in, not just with our podcast
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but with other podcasts, other fandoms and stuff. I know
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he reads a lot of the message boards and the
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Reddit threads and things like that. I know he's got
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a lot of mutual friends in the world, so I like,
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I'm also kind of leaning on him for advice sometimes
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or his two cents on a myriad of topics. So
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that to me is a very invaluable, h very thankless
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position because it literally does not exist.
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But I'm constantly just like sliding into his dms and
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being like, Hey, what's everybody saying about this? What's up
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with that?
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So no it be of service that.
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Being said, I believe you had to win your way
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onto the show how did you win this, uh, this position.
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Here, I mean, which we want to We would have
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had you on anyway. We would have had you on anyway,
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no double whammy.
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We would have had you on Asho.
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We would have had you on anyway. But I do
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believe you won this somehow.
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It was the illustrious casted fantasy draft that we did
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that so many people listened to and voted, all, well,
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there you.
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Go and that thing if you want to go, listen
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to that. I believe we posted it on the main feat.
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I'm not positive. It's definitely up on challenge maniac dot com.
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It's probably free over there.
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But we did. We did a fantasy draft. You myself, Derek.
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I believe it was Christina Finley, Michelle Fitzgerald, not Michelle
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Zgerald Michelle Lopez.
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A lot more and listened.
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I think, yeah, and then yeah, we should have We
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should have told everyone. We should have told and Paul
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Shaylor we should have said instead we should have like
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changed the last names, so we should have said it
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was like John Devenanzio instead of John Headles, it was
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Michelle Fitzgerald instead of Michelle Lopez. No, but it was
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a lot of fun. We put together, we did a
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fantasy draft where we could draft anybody, and then we
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had to kind of put together our fantasy season, and
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you were selected as the winner of that. So again,
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many ways where you can make your way on to
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meet the patrons. But really it just gives us an
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excuse to do a bonus podcast where not only do
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you will let you ask us some questions as well,
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but get a fans perspective, a Challenge maniacs perspective of
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all this stuff. And it's as good a time as
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ever to get that because we're right going into season forty,
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which is this banner season. Dare I say it is
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the like when it comes to stats and having a
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knowledge and history of the Challenge, it's the most worthy
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season of that I think that I can remember, at
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least dating back to season thirty at least, so you know,
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because look, the last few seasons, let's be honest, whether
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it's season thirty nine where it was battle for a
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new champion, it was all people who had only played
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three or four times the last few seasons in general,
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has you know besides your cts and your Johnny's and
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your nieces and your nannies and stuff like that, and
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I didn't mean for that to rhyme. There wasn't a
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lot of history behind the majority of the players. In fact,
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a lot of these seasons had first time players that
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would come in like a Gabo and then just you know,
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get out like a Gobo.
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And so this season and this off in.
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Here, I think it's great to have someone like you,
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who cares so deeply about this, who cares so much
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about this, to talk to you. So, you know, I'll
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let you ask the first question, do you what do
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you got for our man here?
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Well, I guess I guess it's it's what brought you
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to Challenge Mania? How long have you been listening? And
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then I've got a lot of questions after that.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean just what probably a Challenge Mania?
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Was you?
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Derek?
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For sure? So I guess I'll go into my challenge
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history in general. So I started watching the Challenge in
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middle school, I want to say eighth grade. I didn't
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have cable television at all until seventh grade, I think, So,
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like I was grew up in a pretty sheltered house,
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like I grew up on PBS Kids, Sesame Street and
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that sort of stuff. So then how old are you
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and where'd you grow up? So I am as of yesterday,
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I am thirty one years old. I grew up well,
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So I was actually not born in America. I was
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born in Strasburg, France. My parents were missionaries there for
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thirteen years. So what's that.
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Don't even know what that means.
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So, uh, yeah, my parents were there for thirteen years.
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My two older sisters and I were all born there.
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But I lived there just for like two and a
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half years, and then we moved. My dad got a
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job as a software engineer, so we moved to Tucson, Arizona,
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and that's where I lived through high school and then
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I've kind of been all over the place since then.
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But now I'm in Crystal Lake, Illinois, about an hour
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outside of these stomping grounds Chicago, And yeah, I think
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we're settled here now. But anyway, that's yeah, that's kind
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of the geographical history. But yeah, So I was in
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Arizona about seventh grade. I got cable and I discovered
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the wonderful world of MTV. I was kind of sneakily
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watching it whenever I could when my parents didn't know
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what I was watching, and I discovered the challenge So
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my first Challenge season was Fresh Meat one that was
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obviously a big season for you, Derek, and definitely your
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storyline with DM was like part of the reason that
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really captivated me with the Challenge, her revealing her cancer
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diagnosis to you and obviously that iconic walk that you
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guys took and all that. But yeah, I was kind
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of like this perfect fusion of like my love I
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always loved sports, been a massive sports fan, will also
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I was like just starting to be introduced to this
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world of reality TV that was really getting captivated by.
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So like the Challenge was kind of the perfect fusion
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of sports and reality TV and also someone who just
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grew up loving stats in general. I grew up like
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tracking baseball and basketball stats, box office movie stats, like
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just just have a mind for stats, and so I
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was like, oh, it's like cool, I can like track
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like who's won these eliminations, who's winning these challenges, who's
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winning the seasons, like all that. So that's what really
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got me into the Challenge. Really have been watching since then.
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I mean I think there was probably some seasons where
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I didn't watch them all the time I went back
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to but that ever since, probably I want to say
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at least Dirty thirty. Before that, though, I've been well,
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I've been watching every season consistently as it as it airs.
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And then yeah, and when I when you guys came around,
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it was like right after Dirty thirty ended, I believe,
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or like as the reunions were happening. I just I
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don't even remember how I saw it pop up, probably
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on Challenge Reddit or something, but I saw that you
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had come back because I actually had I had listened
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to Ultimate Challenge Radio back in the day, and I
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was just like, I was like, oh, I guess that's gone.
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And then obviously you went into the oil fields for
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seven years and we're kind of a ghost. And then
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I was so stoked when you came back for Dirty thirty.
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I remember I think I saw all you're in the
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mix for Invasion, and I was like really stoked hoping
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that that would happen, and obviously it didn't work out.
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But then you're on Dirty thirty. I was like hell yeah.
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And then yeah, obviously yeah crush that season second place.
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And then the podcast came out and so I was
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a Day one listener for sure. I was like excited.
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It was really exciting in those early days, like just
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like seeing who the next guest was going to be,
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because like the whole challenge history was at your disposal,
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you know, like you guys hadn't had anyone on, so
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it was like the good old days were Yeah, yeah,
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I remember you guys would like just like tease out
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guests of like clues. I remember like when Jordan first
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came on for the first time, you like Scott, I
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think you like posted like different pictures. I was like
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one of Michael Jordan and like other hin. It was
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just like fun, like seeing who's going to come on.
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And then obviously the Patreon came along, and I think
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during Vendetta's right March eighteen, I believe, yeah, And so
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I was, if not like the first month, within the
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first couple of months, I was on the Patreon game. Yeah,
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I've been here ever since.
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That's crazy because I so maybe i'm misre memory. Did
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you would you say that you were like less active
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than you were?
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Okay?
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Because because to me, I feel like your interactivity and
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really a commenting with the stats, but also like dming
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me showing up what was I associated more as you
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kind of being a pandemic zoom Because because to me,
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there's been like two waves of chat more than this.
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But if I wanted to simplify it, I would say
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when we started, you know, we came out the gate
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with the podcast, and we're obviously posting podcasts, we're teasing episodes,
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you know, we've got the Patreon, we're doing the live shows.
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And there were people obviously like yourself who were just
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kind of listening and quiet and even being a patron,
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but like quietly going on with your day. And then
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there were very enthusiastic inner circle people who would come
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to every show, who cared deeply about everything that was
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said on the show or on the Patreon or in
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their little private chats and things like that. People we
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would name on the podcast all the time. People would
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become kind of unofficial mascots of the show who we
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held near and dear to our hearts. Many of them
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are still with us, Many of them have kind of
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segued into the back seat roll of Hey, I'm just
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going to listen every now and then show up when
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you guys come to our hometown. We still love you,
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and many of them I think have either lost interest
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in us, or found other shows, or maybe lost interest
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in the Challenge altogether. Obviously, twenty twenty hit Challenge Mania
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Live at least like a ton of bricks.
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We had to go remote like everyone did with their jobs.
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But what was awesome is that, you know, obviously the
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Challenge was able to continue on. They had one season
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in the can total Madness, and then they very quickly
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got out there and started pumping out these pandemic seasons
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double Agent, spieslies and Allies, and so we kind of
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were able to, I think fairly successfully take the monthly
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Challenge Mania Live shows move them on to Zoom. And
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what that did was it opened floodgates to a bunch
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of people who lived in areas we had never come to,
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who maybe for whatever reason didn't have the motivation or
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the finances to be able to attend, but.
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They were bored at home. So we would do this that.
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We did a thing called Duels and Ghouls, where we
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had people from the Duel on we did a costume contest,
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and that's where I think we got kind of a
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whole new wave of names and fans who during that era,
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I think their confidence got built up to where they
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started chiming in and be asking questions and things like that.
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And now I would say, in.
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Sort of Wave three post pandemic era twenty twenty four,
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we kind of have a combination of people who we
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got in that first wave, got in that second wave,
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and now continue to you know, hop on board every
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day and whatnot.
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But I always considered you kind of a Wave two guy.
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So it's interesting to hear that you've been on board
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since day one because I feel like I really only
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started recognizing your name, your face, your comments during that
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pandemic zoom era. Is it fair to say that's where
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you kind of found your footing with us?
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Yeah, for sure. I would say the first couple of years,
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I was definitely just a listener, like a consistent listener,
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but not someone who was like in gauging and commenting.
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And I think the pandemic like definitely, like the social
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social isolation of it all really like inspired me to
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want to get involved like in the online community. And
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so yeah, like definitely the zooms were like huge high
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point for me, like during that and like yeah, starting
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to like find fellow Challenge fans online and the maniacs
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and like, yeah, getting to talk to you guys, which
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was awesome. And then yeah, and then I finally post pandemic,
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finally got to go to my first Challenge man Alive
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in San Francisco, like December twenty twenty one, and.
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Yeah, Christmas part the Christmas party, right, yeah, that was
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a good one, right, yes, yes, yes, yep, yep, yes,
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that's where we want to see me talk right.
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Eric had this Santa outfit. I got to take a
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picture with the Santa I was.
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I was just talking your Instagram.
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I was like, oh, I was like, I wonder because
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one of my questions obviously, like how many challenging live
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shows you've been to?
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And I think it's I feel like it.
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You were saying, uh, you know that I gotta come
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back to one, or I haven't been in a while,
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or this is my first one. I feel like somewhere
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along the lines, it was. It was like that, and
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I couldn't remember how many you had been to. And
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that's that's one of my questions, how many challenges many
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live shows have you been to?
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And which one was your favorite, because I think you've
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been to four or five?
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Feeling yeah, so I've been to five, it's about to
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be number six. End of August and shy Town.
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Which by the way you guys just for quick Plug
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won those tickets, right, I believe you and bad Bad Bobby.
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Uh see bad Bobby.
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You can't explain this to me.
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I don't know is his first name actually Bobby or no, right,
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not even Bobby and whatever? And he explains to me,
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He's like, oh, no, Bad Bobby's this character I created.
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And I go, yeah, bro, but I'm about to mail
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something to you. Will your mailman give you this if
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it says bad Bobby on the envelope and he gets
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all the mail, so.
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He sent me.
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He has sent me mail with Bad Bobby, as.
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People often will make the mistake of just giving me
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their address and assuming that I can go off of
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their name, which is like challenge Fan eight oh seven,
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and it's like, I'll do it. Don't get me wrong.
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I'm not trying to do to you or whatever. I
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just want to make sure that Felicia or whoever your
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male woman is is not going to go, oh he
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doesn't live here and then throw it out.
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So anyway, but go ahead. So you've been to five
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what were they?
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So?
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Yeah?
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San Francisco, Saint Louis, which Derek sadly, I think you
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had COVID for that one, right, yeah.
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Yeah, I appeared via Zoomy.
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We can say this now because we're like, well past it.
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I totally had COVID, and but but like I look,
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I had COVID. This is bad, no, no, no, but let
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me say this first of all. Now it's a five
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day window, so at the current at the current standard,
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I was, well, okay, that was January twenty twenty two, right, right,
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like that, Okay, that was back when they still wanted
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you to quarantine for fourteen days after I had COVID,
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right where if like your wide receiver got COVID, like
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you were losing the fantasy football playoffs next month. And
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so I got it at Disney World, which was two
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weeks before Challenge Mania Saint Louis, And I'm just.
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Like, oh my god, what am I gonna do? Blah blah?
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Am I being a responsible? Should I not go? Blah blah?
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And then like three or four days before, Derek's like, yo, dude,
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He's like, I got COVID.
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I definitely can't go. And I'm like, well, I guess
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I'm going no matter what.
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So so but it was fun. But yeah, that was
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back when those were the Wild Wild West days when
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it came to that.
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But so go ahead, So all right, so hold on.
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I got a couple COVID stories. I have a couple
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of COVID confessions, myself confessions. So I went, I went
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to I went to Disney World with COVID.
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Yeah, Disney World, I had COVID, but like I didn't
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know until I got there. Like we got there and
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you know, had the coughing and all this stuff started
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to happen. And obviously, but a lot of people they say,
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go to Disney World, You're gonna get COVID.
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Like Scott did. I had the opposite thing happened to me.
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I had like felt the symptoms when I got there,
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so I couldn't have it there.
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But yeah, but I didn't know obviously.
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And then.
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Ship what was what was my other one?
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Uh?
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Oh, Seattle, Seattle? We had had well.
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Well let's not let's not let's not out who it was,
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but somebody.
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But we we had someone someone from the band uh
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staying with us, left got sick and left while being
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in the house with us for like a day.
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Or went to went to a game.
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I went, I went, I.
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Slept in his bed, didn't know we we we we.
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We sanitize it all and everything like that.
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Come to find out I come home, my wife finds
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out that I told my wife the truth. Right, we had,
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you know, we had someone that got COVID in life left.
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I get home after he left. Listen, change the sheets,
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all that could spray it down whatever I we we
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didn't know.
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I didn't know that the day before he slept in
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that day.
494
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Because your blue pass that made it seem like you
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slept in his bed with him.
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To go ahead, just keep going.
497
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Yeah yeah no.
498
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So so my wife is nurse, went through COVID with
499
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all the you know, saw people dying, you know, showed
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their showed uh FaceTime with families on their you know,
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their last moments.
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At times, she.
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Really felt the wrath right, as opposed to some people
504
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would just think this is nothing.
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Right.
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So I come back from Seattle. She sends me straight
507
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to a.
508
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Hotel, can't even come home to her parents house, and
509
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and and and pick her up, and and and and
510
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drive her home. I got to do the whole whole
511
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quarantine thing, take COVID test drive with a mask on,
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get home, quarantine for staying in room for even longer
513
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come to find out, none of us that were around
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him got COVID.
515
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Yeah I was, I will say different times.
516
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So the first time we're talking about I believe no,
517
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that was post vaccine too.
518
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But that doesn't But that doesn't change. But here in
519
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my home, that doesn't change.
520
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You know, it's COVID is still as hardcore as it's
521
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ever been in a home where somebody has seen.
522
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You know. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
523
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about I'm talking about what.
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Well, first of all, we don't have talk about whether
525
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the vaccine actually stopped you from getting COVID. But I
526
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.519
just mean mentally at the time, whether you know, if
527
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you're in the house with somebody and now we're definitely
528
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gonna get it or not, I don't know, but anyway.
529
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Go ahead, So huddles So so San Francisco, Way Lewis. Yeah.
530
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And then Phoenix last year last summer, Okay, Plano, Chicago
531
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this past February, and then the Chicago again. And I
532
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got to give a big shout out to my guy
533
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bad Bobby. We we met through being the Fantasy foot partners.
534
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.400
Last season. We had still fun. Yeah, we had the best.
535
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:07.839
We had the best draft by far, like a plus
536
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:12.000
draft and then like completely bombed the season. So we're
537
00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.440
looking for redemption this season. We'll see how it goes.
538
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.200
But but yeah, he won the USA two draft. He
539
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:19.640
had Chris Underwood as his pick.
540
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.920
Oh so you guys didn't win fantasy football and that's
541
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.480
how we won the tickets. You lost, but you became
542
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.000
good enough friends that he used you as his plus one.
543
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:29.720
But when he won the.
544
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Draft, yeah wow.
545
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.599
See these are one things we do over at challengemaniacs
546
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dot com.
547
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.920
We do drafts for Challenge seasons.
548
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.119
We do a fantasy football league every season, and the
549
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.400
grand prize for a lot of these are two b
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00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.079
IP tickets to any Challenge Mania live show, including ones
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that are sold out.
552
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:47.200
So, for instance, there's a.
553
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Ton of people going to that Chicago show with CT
554
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.240
that was sold out in ten seconds because they won
555
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.200
one of these leagues over at challengemaniacs dot com. And
556
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.559
we just announced we're bringing back the fantasy football league.
557
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If you're hearing this now it's still July, you still
558
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.039
have a few weeks because in August is when we're
559
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.039
gonna pick the owners of the teams to get as
560
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.599
many people as we can. We do co owners of two,
561
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.279
which as has happened here with Bad Bobby and John Herald,
562
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.519
sometimes you get a friendship out of it, right, The
563
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.519
real prize is the friends we made along the way.
564
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Am I right?
565
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.200
And so it's two owners per team. We used to
566
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:18.039
do it where d and I co owned a team together.
567
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.759
That was a disaster. So now someone gets to co
568
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.279
own a team with Derek. Someone gets to co own
569
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a team with me. Shouts to Justin, who was my
570
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.799
partner last year. But we're so we got to switch
571
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.519
things up. And all the buying money goes to charity
572
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.000
and we match the not match. We throw it a
573
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:36.519
little bit on top as well to kind of sweeten
574
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:39.079
the charity load. And all the prizes are from US
575
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.960
tickets and swag and everything like that.
576
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.400
Everybody. I think it's first, second, and third win prizes.
577
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.759
But it's a fun way for into football to kind
578
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.000
of stay plugged in, meet some challenge maniacs along the way.
579
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.240
And then what we've been doing we do for Big
580
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:51.839
brother We will not this year. We didn't do it
581
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:53.400
for Big Brother. I'll be honest, I'm so out on
582
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.480
Big Brothers, so I'm funny. We do it for survivor
583
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.839
where you get to draft a person. If that person wins,
584
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you end up winning tickets and then and the way
585
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.720
we do it for the challenge, because let's be honest
586
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.640
spoilers or rampants out there, is it's kind of a lottery.
587
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.559
You end up getting randomly assigned a player, and if
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that person wins, you end up winning the thing.
589
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.000
And for the spoiler free people.
590
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:13.519
That's really fun because you get to like watch All
591
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Stars four knowing, hey, if Laurel wins, I win, and
592
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then once she wins, you go, I just want two
593
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:19.319
tickets to whatever show I want.
594
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:20.920
So that's all fun stuff.
595
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.319
We've got a challenge maniacs dot com just want to
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do a little quick plug there.
597
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But so which one Adam?
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All the ones you named and you can include some
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of the extra curriculars because I do believe after the
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Phoenix Show last summer, we did go to a Yellowcard
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concert together and you were rocking out with mister Derek Chavez,
602
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who had a great run on All Stars four. That
603
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must have been fun for you to see talk about
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what your favorite experience was that one of these things
605
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and why.
606
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Yeah, I was definitely going to shout out Phoenix is
607
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my favorite for sure. I mean the show itself just
608
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had a stacked lineup with obviously CT was there, Arassio
609
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and Olivia, like right off of the hype of writer.
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Dies after they had filmed thirty nine and had that
611
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.720
Now we know why it was so weird, But like
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the I think they put on a great I mean,
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to know what they had just gone through on thirty
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nine and they were like, I mean, they looked like
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two peas in a pod. Meanwhile, I mean, he must
616
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have his blood must have been boiling the whole time.
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But I mean that's just that what a pro he
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is been, especially blood she was and she was.
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I was just thinking about that because I've been thinking
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about maybe cramming in a Phoenix show because Phoenix showed
621
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out so so vastly for that show last summer.
622
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Now, granted again you mentioned the lineup.
623
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Fine, was the first time we did that room, the
624
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.759
first time we did the area, but we were blown
625
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away by the turnout that I had talked to the venue.
626
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We've secured a date.
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I'm trying to put together a lineup that I think
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is good enough to warrant doing a show on September fourteenth,
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and I'm trying to put feelers out there for those
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of you guys in the Phoenix area. So if you
631
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:50.960
guys are hearing this and you would attend to challenge
632
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.680
many a live show, please let me know, help convince me.
633
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:55.839
I probably need to decide in the next few days here,
634
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but I've been reaching out to challengers far and wide,
635
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.759
a lot of unavailable things like that, But I think
636
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.599
I've got a pretty good lineup, but I need to
637
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.519
know that people are going to show up, maybe not
638
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in the at the level that they showed out last summer,
639
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where I think we sold out the whole room, which
640
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.359
is like five hundred seats or something like that, but
641
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to warrant jam packing this in before baby break because
642
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we had such a good time, such a cool city,
643
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.079
and some of the people warned us about that was
644
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.720
definitely true, is that it was so fucking hot last July.
645
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.400
I felt like a hairdryer right to your face.
646
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.240
I have been told that September fourteenth will be much
647
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.359
better weather out there as well. So hey, I know
648
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:32.880
you probably won't be there because you're no longer in
649
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.480
the Phoenix area, but if you do live in the area,
650
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whatsoever and you'd be able to come on September fourteenth.
651
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.960
Slide into my DMS at Scotta Bieger on Instagram, send
652
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.319
me an email challenge meaning podcast at gmail dot com.
653
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.720
Let me know because I need some convincing. Mark long
654
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.400
is in. Got a few names who are who are in,
655
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.359
you know, but I got a lot of people unavailable,
656
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.680
So it's like, you know, it's not gonna be that
657
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.480
CT Olivia or Rassio lineup, you know. And the other
658
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.200
thing is I don't like bringing back to the same people, right,
659
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.279
so it's like it's not gonna be CT. Maybe not
660
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.240
because he's unavailable, because we don't like to do back
661
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.640
to back, same guests, you know, same thing for Arassio.
662
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.319
So we'll see what happens. But if it's something, and
663
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.200
let me just not to like play terrorist here. But
664
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.079
this is probably the only way that we're getting to
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00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:17.039
Phoenix in twenty twenty four. So beggars can't be choosers,
666
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.079
I believe is the phrase. So hey, if you live
667
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:20.720
in Phoenix and you're desperate for a show and you
668
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.359
wanted to have it on September fourteenth, drop me a line.
669
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.720
Okay, I already put up a Facebook post Patreon post.
670
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.799
Let me know, because I desperately want to do it,
671
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:31.359
but I need some convincing because you know, anyway, by
672
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:31.759
the way.
673
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.920
I think you could plug and play. Mark Golong is
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in for every single challenge of Mania. Live to that guy.
675
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.039
I mean he really he loves doing. He loves like Derek. Obviously,
676
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.799
he's got the baby. You know, he's not as mobile
677
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.119
as he's been in the past these days.
678
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.279
He's obviously got the wife, he's got the new house whatever.
679
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:50.559
Mark is perfect in that he's solo dolo, right, He's
680
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.079
obviously he's obviously got his mom who he takes care
681
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of a little bit. He's got his parents who lived
682
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near him and things like that. But guy owns his
683
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.519
own home, right, Is it married?
684
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Right?
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You know, maybe has a casual relationship. It's complicated too.
686
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But other than that, I mean, the guy is as
687
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free as a be. He's got I mean, he's as
688
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.160
healthy as can be. He obviously loves his stuff. He
689
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loves being a flag bearer of the show. He's going
690
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:15.839
back to do season forty. But even as just the
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00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.680
creator and producer of All Stars, he loves it. He
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loves shaking hands and kissing babies, So yeah, he is.
693
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I mean, unless he has a conflict, he wants to
694
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do every single one of them.
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So I think that'll stop him as the boards crashing
696
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at all the airports and preventing him from.
697
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.200
Well, you know, it's interesting because I so he was
698
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stuck in LA until yesterday. Yeah, and Delta is the
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airline that I only fly Delta. Mark for the last
700
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couple of years has requested and thus only flies Delta.
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Keith lies flying Delta out of Atlanta, and the area
702
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Delta as an airline.
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Is the one that's been the most effected.
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I believe that the cancel more flights ever since nine
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to eleven Atlanta, which is their hub, is the most
706
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effect I could city or one of them. And so
707
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.720
I've been shivering in my boots. I know we dodged
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it by about a week. Last weekend would have been
709
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.200
a disaster, but we are going to Pittsburgh this weekend.
710
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So I so we flat out canceled Mark's flight on
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Delta and I put him on fucking Southwest.
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He requested.
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I've never had anyone request going from Delta to Southwest,
714
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.799
but he had such a bad experience with Delta in
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La He's like, trust me, this is the move.
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00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.079
So we did that. I called Delta and I literally I'm.
717
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.839
Like, I know you can't guarantee anything, but I need
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00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.039
you to go and I need you to look yesterday
719
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.680
and today and tell me if these flights from LaGuardia
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at Pittsburgh took off yesterday and today, just so I
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can have peace of mind that it'll probably happen Friday.
722
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And then I had her to do the same thing
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with keithless flights out of Atlanta, and she did it.
724
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.680
Who knows she was telling the truth. But so fingers
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00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.519
e f and crossed Murdy checked in for tomorrow, so
726
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.680
hopefully that happens. But yeah, dude, I mean, we've had
727
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.960
one person not be able to show up or whatever
728
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.400
hear of that or this and that and the other thing.
729
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.079
And let's be honest, Pittsburgh is close enough for if
730
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.920
I need to get in a fucking rental car. But
731
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but like, I mean, we've never had like an airline
732
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.720
disaster like last weekend where I think, knock all the
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wood in the world, I don't know what we would do.
734
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.440
I mean, I get you and Susie would be there
735
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:07.880
because you guys lived there, so I guess it would
736
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.039
just be Derek and Susie talking about Kenny for two hours.
737
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.160
So that's what you guys would get at celebrations in Imperial, Pennsylvania.
738
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:22.359
But we'll be there no matter what, We'll be there.
739
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:23.839
Yeah.
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00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.440
Well, back to the Phoenix Show, I mean, like like
741
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:31.640
that energy, uh you know, even like the panel, the conversations,
742
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.720
the crowd interaction. I mean when I when I came
743
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.160
out there, like and I look back, I mean it
744
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.200
felt like it was a mile mile long. We had
745
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.680
never been in a room that big before, and the
746
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.240
energy was just like awesome.
747
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.160
Yeah. Yeah, Well, and that whole weekend was just packed
748
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.640
because we had the karaoke night on Friday, which is
749
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.039
all Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, I remember that a
750
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.400
few songs Derek and I were supposed to do a
751
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.680
my Name is Slim Shady do it, but it was
752
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:00.960
a little too late in the night.
753
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:02.359
So dude, wrap it.
754
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.799
I'm telling you, whenever someone thinks they can do rap
755
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.799
at karaoke, they are most of the time, myself included,
756
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.799
sorely mistaken. Yes, because because you don't realize that like
757
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.440
you can do it word for word, syllable for syllable
758
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.000
in your car when the vocals are there, right when
759
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.680
they're not there, you realize you don't know how to
760
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.079
do it over just the beat.
761
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.720
I mean, I'm not speaking for everybody.
762
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.000
I know.
763
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.759
Look, if you're like a you know, if you if
764
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.920
you wrap in your free time and you consider yourself.
765
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:33.960
But maybe, but the average for I've made a mistake.
766
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.799
I tried to do the easy.
767
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.839
I try to do ninety nine problems once, which is
768
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.839
like the easy and I and I was so off.
769
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.319
It was mortifying.
770
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.640
Yeah, because lyrics. The lyrics is slim, shady or like
771
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.039
highly offensive. So like there's like multiple times where I
772
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.720
was just like.
773
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.079
Yeah, eminem is back.
774
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.160
Maybe the karaoke thing is something that I have never
775
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.720
like really dabbled in until like I was kind of
776
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:00.519
being you know, I would be like, all right, let
777
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.519
me just do this, and come to find out, you
778
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.599
can't just do karaoke. You can't just like put on
779
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.760
a song that you've never like really knew the words
780
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.239
to and been like let me read it to a beat,
781
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.960
like and it's like it's it's terrible. You're talking about
782
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.360
being mortified like I have. I have fell on my
783
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.320
face during karaoke, probably five out of the seven times
784
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:28.840
I've done it.
785
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.679
You guys crushed my own worst enemy though.
786
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.920
Yeah, that was one of the okay times I say
787
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.679
this with karaoke, I go pick a song that you've done,
788
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.280
but do it.
789
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:42.039
Stay in your lane, you know.
790
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.679
Look, if you're good, there's something like Shooney, right, there's
791
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.119
some good singers out there, like you test yourself. Go ahead, right, fine,
792
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.920
if you're just a drunken buffoon like me or Derek
793
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:55.000
right that cannot do a fucking falsetto whatever, just stay
794
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.920
in your lane, right nineties all rock is good, right,
795
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.800
people who stay in the low registry.
796
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.599
You're Pearl James good. So Devin Pals is good.
797
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.119
Creed is good.
798
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.000
Things like that, right, even like even what's it called
799
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.199
my own words sentimey lit which I used to play
800
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.480
that song in a band, so I know it pretty well.
801
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:11.800
There's a couple of notes there.
802
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.559
If you try to do that, please tell me you'll
803
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.119
you'll lose it on that one, bro like so but anyway,
804
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:19.519
that was, yeah, that's that was a fun one to do.
805
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.159
I remember I've been down there.
806
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.039
No, everyone's just sitting, remember, just like sitting Simmy drinks
807
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.280
and I'm jumping up and down like what.
808
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:27.960
The fuck is this guy?
809
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:28.119
On?
810
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:34.719
Derek and Olivia though both karaoke stars absolutely crushed it. Chavis, Chavis, sorry.
811
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.760
It's It's become one of my favorite.
812
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.039
Either official challenge many activities, whether we're able to sell
813
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.119
tickets and tell everybody to join us like in Phoenix
814
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.719
we did it in Vegas once, or just like unofficially
815
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.880
when we like pour out afterwards and find a bar
816
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:47.280
or whatever.
817
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.400
It's like, ask this a fun Nashville, We've done it.
818
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.440
I remember Devin played I Believe with a with a
819
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.039
band over there as well, Nashville the first time, the
820
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.400
first Nashville show where we created COVID. I remember we
821
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.960
were out there and Kendall and Maddy and Big Easy
822
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.920
was there and and it's which by the way, if
823
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.239
you were listening to the Brandon podcast, Let's go Brandon
824
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.360
the I'm.
825
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.400
Kidding, uh the uh.
826
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.000
The the name that we could not that was on
827
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.199
the tip of our tongue for who the alternate was
828
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.199
for Eric two was in fact Big Easy. So we
829
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.039
were trying to figure out who the alternates were for
830
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.679
every era. Someone nicely about ten people nicely sent me,
831
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.079
I guess a VEVMO that had all of them, so
832
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.079
and I believe it was. They were interesting names, so
833
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.840
it's big Easy for Era two. Jasmine was one of
834
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.559
them for Era three. I remember Fessi for Era four,
835
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.480
Big t for Era four, Derrick Henry for Era three,
836
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.079
which I thought was surprising in one arm, like I'd
837
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:44.559
be like, that's kind of a name you wouldn't think of.
838
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.800
And then if you listen to our brand and interview
839
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.599
and kind of the way that went, maybe also not
840
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.400
surprising in another way, but like that would surprise me.
841
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.079
And then Carly for uh Carlee for Era two, and
842
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:55.840
then Era one.
843
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.920
I believe there was Cyrus and Ruthie who you know, Uh,
844
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:00.920
Cyrus Man.
845
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.480
He's such a good war alternate.
846
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.079
He is so because it's so funny because like Mark
847
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.039
Long and Cyrus are similar ages. Mark Long is out
848
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.599
there as is Cyrus, proving that they can definitely still
849
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.760
do this even at that age. And like Cyrus to me,
850
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.159
he's kind of the perfect alternate because he's such a
851
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.159
blast from the past. He's always ready to go, he
852
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.199
always stays fit that like whoever you're losing and you
853
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.480
enter Cyrus, like I think it's kind of a great
854
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.000
trade off.
855
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:26.920
Ruthie.
856
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.679
I think would have been really interesting to have been there.
857
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.840
Wearing my heart wearing my iHeart size shirt. By the way,
858
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.480
it's definitely about Cyrus, about no one else.
859
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.159
So I made that shirt. I believe it was our
860
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.239
first or second New York show the shirt. If you're
861
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.480
not watching this at challengemaniacs dot com, where you can
862
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.480
watch this whole interview for free, We're gonna make this
863
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.639
public at challengemaniac dot com, so if you want to
864
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.800
watch us, if you're listening to it and you want
865
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.360
to watch it, you don't need to pay. You can
866
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.239
just go sign up. It's gonna be available for all
867
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:53.639
free members included.
868
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.840
At challengemaniac dot com. But he just showed us he's wearing.
869
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.440
If you know what an iHeart New York shirt looks like,
870
00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:59.840
these are the shirts, so you can buy it, like
871
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.880
restoring Times Square here in New York, it's that spot,
872
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.039
and then instead of n Y it's s Y. It's
873
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.280
supposed to be like I love Scott Yeager, I love
874
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.960
s Y. We sold him in New York and people
875
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.480
were like this is I guess Early on in Challenge Mania.
876
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.599
People didn't really know my name, or they just chose
877
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.280
to like think, why the fuck would I buy a
878
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.159
shirt and says I love that guy, right, And so
879
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.800
everyone kept thinking it as a Cyrus shirt. I love Cy,
880
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.119
I love Side, and so.
881
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:23.960
We joke about it.
882
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.679
I guess become one of those jokes, those famous jokes
883
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:28.719
like oh Scott kind of looks like an overweight Devin,
884
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.599
or I love s Y, is really I love Cy
885
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.880
or whatever the real ones.
886
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.000
No, but I ordered one for the Saint Louis show
887
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.960
because like, well it get to meet Scott and Cider
888
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:38.360
is there.
889
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.239
You could tell both of us it was for us.
890
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.079
Yeah, yeah, it didn't come in time, but you had
891
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.480
extras because I guess they weren't selling off of the
892
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.039
shelves too fast. No, I had.
893
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:50.920
I had a couple of those in the suitcase for
894
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.360
like what felt like two years.
895
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:54.039
Now. I've got it down.
896
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.280
I know what sells, like when I re up for
897
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.519
these shows like occasionally, like you know, for for Pittsburgh,
898
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.639
bought a couple of those KT shirts, bought a couple
899
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.440
of those Drell shirts, especially since he's gonna be with
900
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:04.360
us two weeks in a row.
901
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:05.719
But like, I've.
902
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.880
Learned the way to have it where it doesn't stay
903
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.800
in this because look, if one of these Katie shirts
904
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.079
doesn't sell on Saturday, no one's showing up to Cleveland
905
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:14.639
being like, Eh, I'm gonna buy a kt shirt.
906
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.639
And nothing against Katie. I'm just saying it's probably out
907
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:17.119
what they're doing.
908
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.239
So we try to keep the quantities low on the
909
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.360
I Love s Y specific bullshit, and we load up
910
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.039
on the Hall Brawl shirts. So we load up on
911
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.559
the Challenge Mania logo shirts and the Morning Beer shirts
912
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.519
and the shit like that because and the challenge accepted,
913
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.400
because those fly no matter we want ogs.
914
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.559
Those fly no matter what city we're in.
915
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:33.119
Uh.
916
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.559
And I have never purchased another one of those. So
917
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.280
that is a and you can get them a Challenge
918
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:38.519
Mania dot shop.
919
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.239
But yeah, that is a relic limited edition.
920
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.840
That is definitely a limited edition that you can get
921
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.920
if you want a Challenge Mania dot shop.
922
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.519
Would you describe yourself? John?
923
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.159
So let me ask you this because you mentioned some
924
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.960
of you said earlier when you go I was excited
925
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.360
because you were in the mix for Invasion, right, that
926
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.960
tells me you've been very plugged into the dark under
927
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.400
belly of challenge Internet for quite some time, at least
928
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:03.920
dating back to twenty seventeen.
929
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.079
I've been I've been a vevmo a lerker for years
930
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:07.400
for sure.
931
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:11.480
Yeah, so would you consider yourself to be plugged in
932
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.559
to the like again? Like what this is a really
933
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.840
lame way of saying it. Everyone's gonna say, shut up, dad,
934
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.440
But what the streets are saying? You know, from year
935
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.440
to year, from day to day?
936
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:21.400
Right? Would you say so?
937
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.599
Yeah? I would say so.
938
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.079
And do you still consider yourself a lurker?
939
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.000
Are you posting on these forums and this and that
940
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.920
or are you just kind of gauging what's going on?
941
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:29.559
And kind of.
942
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.880
I'm mostly a lurkery I've gotten a little bit more
943
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.880
involved in on the challenge to Reddit. I definitely. I've
944
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.280
like posted like a few things over the years on vevmo,
945
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.599
But like vevmo is a successible, Like the people in
946
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:45.400
there are wild.
947
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.000
That's even it's even worse than Reddit.
948
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love By the way, can I
949
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.639
just say someone will text me privately or email me
950
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:53.800
or d I me and they'd be like, man, I'm
951
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.519
really sorry for all show you're getting on Reddit, And
952
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:57.840
I go yeah, you know, you can comment and stick
953
00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:58.320
up for me.
954
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.000
By the way, there's.
955
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.159
No you know you can you can do that. That
956
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.079
would help the ratio as they call it, if you want.
957
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.360
But they're like yeah, They're like no, I don't really.
958
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.679
I'm more of a lurker. I just kind of whatever.
959
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.000
And I think that's what makes it the cesspool ends
960
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.559
up feeding itself because and by the way, look, everyone
961
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:17.679
knows I lurk on Reddit.
962
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.360
I read your shit, keep it coming. I don't care.
963
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.039
My point is that and I get it. There's a
964
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:21.559
value to it.
965
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.840
I love again knowing what the streets are saying, what
966
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.679
everybody thinks. A lot of constructive criticism is helpful. But
967
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.800
you know what's funny is people are so mean about
968
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.440
shit that I think then if like, let's say, somebody
969
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.679
does have a counterpoint or want to stick up for
970
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.639
the person, whether it's me or whether it's us, or
971
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.760
whether it's just anybody, right Michelle Fitzgerald, whether they want
972
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.199
to stick up him or not, they go, I really
973
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.880
don't want this original poster or op or whatever coming
974
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.199
after me next, So I'm just gonna lurk. Maybe I'll
975
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.599
downvote it, but I don't think I'm gonna get involved
976
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:51.880
in this.
977
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.679
Yeah. Yeah, that was me for many years. I just said,
978
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like recently, I'm starting it more involved. But I'm not.
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I'm not someone who's like just like scrolling through like
980
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.519
the top page or the right to like see all
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00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:06.480
the posts, like I just like see specific posts that
982
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.239
are interesting. So but I can. I would try to
983
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.039
do a better job of like finding the Challenge Manio
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00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.599
posts and being an advocate because I know that helps out.
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00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.800
All Right, there we go.
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Yeah, and if you're listening to this, guys, remember you
987
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.519
can subscribe, rate and review, or you can go on
988
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:19.400
Reddit and you can.
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00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.079
Stick up for us. But don't make it really don't
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00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:21.760
make your like.
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00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.440
Name like Challenge Mania Lover and then have it be
992
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.239
very nondescript. So it looks like we're getting some support
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00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.880
from some regular folks. So here's my follow up question
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00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.960
to that. So, obviously, you could not have two more
995
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.440
polar opposite seasons than Season thirty nine, which was Battle
996
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:41.400
for a New Champion contained obviously no familiar favorites, where
997
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.440
I think the elder Statesman on that show by default
998
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.119
was big T. I think with like four or five
999
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.159
seasons whatever it was cut to season forty, this amazing
1000
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.880
bloated cast of forty people, a lot of regulars coming
1001
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:52.639
back for the first.
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Time in decades.
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00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.599
Like I'm trying to tie this in also to the
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00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.719
Hall of Fame discussion, where I think over the past
1005
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.800
couple of years, we've been a bit surprised to see
1006
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.719
like Leroy last year get in this year, Jenna gets in,
1007
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:06.800
Zach gets in.
1008
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.679
Like in your opinion, you know, you keep your.
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Ear to the ground, Like is there a disconnect between like, say,
1010
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.320
the average Challenge fan and what they care about, and
1011
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.239
who they care about, and who to them are the
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00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.039
stars and the Hall of Fame worthy people, and like
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00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.159
the really really small group of true OG fans who
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00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.239
really maybe do love a Jamie.
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00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.199
Murray or a Ronnie Martin or someone like that.
1016
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.719
Because I think these last two years have been kind
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00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.360
of a wake up call for me where I sort
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00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.679
of have come to terms with the fact that the
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00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.440
last ten years per se of the Challenge, or let's
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00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.400
call it, the last fifteen seasons maybe like mean exponentially
1021
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.599
more to the average Challenge fan than anything in the
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00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.400
first fifteen maybe not including like you said, the DM
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00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.159
stuff on fresh meat and stuff like that, and the
1024
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.760
first ten seasons of the challenge, especially by not being
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00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.599
available anywhere, are pretty much irrelevant to anyone other than
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00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.280
like the most devout Og Challenge fans is that what
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00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.840
you're snipping as well from where you're at.
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00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.000
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think for sure that paramount
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00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.000
plus thing is a huge one. I think like a
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00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.760
huge factor, and that like people if they didn't experience
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00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.639
those seasons in real time, like they just have no
1032
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.199
way to watch them, so like you can like hear
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00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.239
about them, but like without actually like watching them and
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out without like experiencing that era where they played, Like
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00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.800
they're not gonna make the same impact on you as
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00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.920
like if you grow up if you like we're watching
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00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.599
through like the rivals Eras and Saw like Nannie and
1038
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.960
Zach and Leroy like when they came into their own
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00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.400
and also those seasons like you can rewatch so like
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00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.159
you can like watch them over and over again and
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00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.079
like get more and more attached to those people. And
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00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.679
so yeah, I think the Ogs are definitely at a
1043
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.119
huge disadvantage when it comes to two things like Hall
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00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.320
of Fame or or just like recognition among the wider
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00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.000
band base for sure.
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00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.079
And speaking of the Challengeman Hall of Fame, I feel
1047
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:56.599
like I feel like I feel like Tyler got shafted.
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00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.280
I was I was hoping I voted for Tyler. I
1049
00:44:59.360 --> 00:44:59.599
wanted to.
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But I think one of the reasons he got shaft
1051
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is because you two mister stats, and the one that
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00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:11.679
puts it out there didn't actually put Tyler's elimination record
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on there, which is bett which is better than than Zach's.
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00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.679
Oh you didn't put Zach's elimination record. Yeah, Tyler's elimination record.
1055
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I was putting positive stats. I didn't want to like putative.
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Yeah, but when you're going, when you're going, you know,
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neck and neck.
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00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.639
This one's got two championships, this one's got one, this
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one's got this many daily wins.
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This one's got this many.
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You leave off that the ones got better elimination record
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than the other.
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Look, here's the here's how I see it.
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I think that the people saw it, and I think
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this is where uh the Zach and Jenna uh nomination
1066
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comes in. Uh is is because they were like not
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the first Challenge big Challenge couple, but they were like
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the Challenge couple that we all remember.
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They are the Challenge couple that goes on and ends
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up having three kids, you know.
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So it's like, I don't I don't knock the fact
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that they are Challenge Many Hall of Fame worthy because
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they are and and that is that they were kind
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of like I feel like, kind of a package deal.
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I feel like people probably voted.
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As them being this, you know, monumental first ever Challenge couple,
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you know. For me, like the first ever Challenge couple
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goes back to like Coral and Abram, you know, because
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that's that's when I first started kind of like seeing
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this this, uh this, uh, these these Challenge couples happened
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and what was real and what was it?
1082
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.639
But like you said, yeah, but the actual first Challenge
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couple is mister Sean Duffy and Rachel.
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But but we would never know because their episodes aren't
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on paaramunt Plus.
1086
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.400
Yeah exactly. But yeah, no, I would say I didn't
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vote for Zach, I didn't vote Jenna, But if they
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were going to get in, I do think it's cool
1089
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that they got in together in the same year. I
1090
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.599
think that's definitely a first that a couple got inducted,
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is getting inducted together. I also think for sure the
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00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.519
Zach Nichols podcast and just like his place in the
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00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.400
Challenge online fandom has definitely elevated over the last year,
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and so I definitely think he got some help from
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from that of just being present in the minds of
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Challenge fans because they're posting clips every week and I'm
1097
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:27.320
interviewing great guests.
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So and I didn't vote for either one of.
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A mirror, yeah, yeah, I voted for Ronnie.
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I think that Look, there's there's a couple of reasons
1101
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.079
why I think the Ronnie's and the Jamie Murray's and
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00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.760
stuff are going to have a tough go is. I
1103
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.000
just think that there is you know, you throw in
1104
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.559
again the podcast stuff, but even removing that, it's like
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the footprint, like flat out, like there's just I mean,
1106
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we let everybody vote this year, right.
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All you had to do was go sign up for
1108
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a free membership.
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You didn't even have to donate a dollar or pay
1110
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a dollar or whatever like that, right, So we got
1111
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.840
the largest voter turnout we've ever had, right, And I
1112
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just think that there are people who they vote with
1113
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.079
their Challenge experience in mind, with their viewing history in mind,
1114
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and no offense, I don't. I think there are probably
1115
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.280
hundreds and hundreds of people who voted having never seen
1116
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a season with Jamie Murray on it, other than maybe
1117
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Real World Homecoming New Orleans.
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And probably not even that.
1119
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I think there's people who voted who haven't even seen
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a Tyler season. And I also think we overestimate the
1121
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impact of a show like All Stars. Like we love
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00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.760
All Stars, I don't think a lot of people watch
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All Stars, and the people who do watch All Stars,
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I don't know that it reconnects them with the Ronnies
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or even the Tylers of the world the way that
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we would like it to. I think if you go
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into All Stars not knowing or caring about them, you
1128
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come out of All Stars now caring about what they
1129
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.679
just did, but you don't like get a new appreciation
1130
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.280
for those stats that they've hadded when they were on
1131
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the show initially. I think Zach was as big of
1132
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a part of those last fifteen seasons as anybody as
1133
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you mentioned. Now he's a big part of the current
1134
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.639
seasons just by talking about them on Instagram and on
1135
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.199
the Internet, and same goes for Jenna like tether to
1136
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.599
him literally, but also just the amount of seasons she's
1137
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:14.920
played on as well, So if it wasn't Jenna, it
1138
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was probably gonna be Nanni.
1139
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It certainly wasn't going to be Ronnie, and it might
1140
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have been Beth.
1141
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And I think with Beth, it's like, you know, I
1142
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.000
think she has the sweet spot of the recency of
1143
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.880
having played on All Stars a little bit and having
1144
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.519
the drama on those early seasons.
1145
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:34.039
But what's interesting seeing.
1146
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.159
Her get in on that vote in is that And
1147
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I want to know if this upsets you, John, because
1148
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.440
you're a stats guy. When you give us the stats,
1149
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.079
there's no stat for confessionals like you know, Challenge Stats
1150
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:46.840
or will or whoever puts together, which I think is
1151
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.079
a great stat because that almost, I believe might be
1152
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880
the most important stat of them all. When you see
1153
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.960
Beth getting in on a vote in, you know, it
1154
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.199
tells us that like nobody cares that she didn't win
1155
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.039
a Challenge championship, Like more people voted for her than Ronnie,
1156
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.239
you know. And it's like she's not necessarily winning on
1157
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.320
the field, but she's certainly winning when it comes to
1158
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.320
the camera time. She's winning when it comes to the
1159
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.719
what you're talking about the next day, at work and
1160
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.920
as a Challenge viewer who cares so much about stats.
1161
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:16.440
So we're going to talk about the spreadsheets you put
1162
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.199
together and you can give us some of your most
1163
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like glaring stats that you've come up with over the
1164
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years and things like that doesn't upset you that it
1165
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.320
does seem like when you break down whether it's Zach Jenna,
1166
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.800
Nanny Lee Roy and granted, these guys are no slouches,
1167
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and they have their wins, and they have their elimination wins,
1168
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and they certainly have their daily wins, and they have
1169
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.079
their seasons. But when you include even a Beth and
1170
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:37.840
a Katie getting in in a previous year of the
1171
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.840
Challenge Mean New Hall of Fame, that it seems like
1172
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there's just a large chunk of Challenge fans that watch
1173
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this as a show about people that are playing a
1174
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.639
sport and if they entertain them while they're doing it,
1175
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.000
they don't really care how they do in the sport.
1176
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:49.920
Is that all right with you?
1177
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:55.840
Yeah? Totally. I don't like have this like complex or
1178
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.920
I'm like everyone els to care about statistics, Like I
1179
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.800
know that it's important to me. It's like something that
1180
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.679
I like gets me excited, but I know that a
1181
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.719
lot of people don't watch the show that way, and
1182
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.079
that's perfectly fine too, And I mean I appreciate the
1183
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.800
big characters of the show that have like had the
1184
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.119
standout moments and like the clips that still get posted
1185
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.440
throughout the years, Like I have appreciation for that as well.
1186
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.320
So I think everyone is entitled to like appreciate the
1187
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.800
show and the way that they appreciate it. And if
1188
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.840
it's if they value character over like wins, like that's
1189
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.559
totally fine. I respect that. Yeah, so I definitely get it.
1190
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.840
But yeah, on the confessionals note, So yeah, I didn't
1191
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.079
include that like in the original stats, but I did
1192
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.079
like write comments on both of the Hall of Fame
1193
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.679
posts like with more detailed stats, and I did include
1194
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.559
some confessional stats for the people who had a lot
1195
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.239
of confessionals, Nanni in particular, Like this was staggering when
1196
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.199
I found this out. Nanni has the fifth most confessionals
1197
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.840
of anyone ever, which is just insane to me. And
1198
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:52.719
that just shows I mean, obviously, I think a part
1199
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.840
of that is, like the episodes have gotten longer, Like
1200
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:57.480
you know, back in the day, there were twenty two
1201
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.199
minutes and then it went to forty four minutes and
1202
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.079
now it's like an hour like when you're not counting
1203
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.599
the commercials, and so I think that plays a huge
1204
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.679
impact on it. But also like Nanny for sure has
1205
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.559
been like one of the female faces of the last
1206
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.840
ten fifteen years of the Challenge show, so I obviously
1207
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:12.199
knew that, but I didn't know it was quite that
1208
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.599
to that scale. Woard like she's the fifth most of
1209
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.840
all time. So I definitely think professionals are a notable
1210
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.440
stat to keep drag of as.
1211
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:25.559
Well, John, what are your top three Challenge moments? Top
1212
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.679
three favorite Challenge moments? What three moments stand out for you?
1213
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.440
New York City.
1214
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.679
It is time to premiere the biggest season of the
1215
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.039
Challenge yet on Wednesday, August fourteenth, and we could not
1216
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.880
do it in any city other than the greatest city
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in the world, right here in the big Apple of Manhattan.
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We will be back at East.
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End Bar and Grill on the Upper East Side for
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a Challenge Mania Season forty Battle of the Era's premiere party,
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00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.559
and to kick things off, we're going to be joined
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by one representative from each of the four eras, representing
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Era one, that godfather Mark Longing, Era two, Ryan Keho
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00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:07.199
representing Era three Let's Go Devin Walker and representing Era four,
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00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.079
the other half of the newest Challenge power couple, Hoboken
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resident Michelle Fitzgerald. Tickets are already on sale at Challenge
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Mania dot Live, but these will sell out. East End
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is not the biggest room in the world, but we
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00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.559
love that intimacy because we love to cozy up and
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00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.199
watch a good old fashioned episode of The Challenge with
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00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.840
you guys with the sound on. There will be prizes, giveaways,
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00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.440
trivia contests, all that good stuff, So run, don't walk
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to Challenge Mania dot Live. Two different types of tickets available,
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amount of VIP seating tickets that do guarantee some premiere
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00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.760
seating by the cast members. You'll be a little closer
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00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.239
to them during the episodes. They'll mingle with you during
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00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.440
the commercials and things like that. But don't worry, we
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will be there to at least eleven o'clock partying with
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00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.840
you guys all night. Everybody in the house will get
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to meet everyone, get those selfies, get those trinkets signed,
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00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.440
whatever you guys need, whatever you guys want to do,
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Because guys, it's the Battle of the Eras. It's time
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to celebrate the challenge and we want to do it
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with you. Challenge Mania Style All goes down from seven
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That's a good question.
1256
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:45.360
I guess I should have.
1257
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.039
I should have messaged you before, been you to think
1258
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.480
about this one?
1259
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:57.679
Yeah, I mean obviously Banana's backpack is iconic. It's so
1260
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.679
funny because I think a lot of people like you.
1261
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.000
Can just rattle off moments too. To be honest here,
1262
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:04.039
you have to be your top three.
1263
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.920
You don't have to be one, two, three, Yeah, you know, Okay?
1264
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:07.800
What what like?
1265
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.760
What are what are the moments that are most synonymous
1266
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.519
with the challenge in your brain.
1267
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.159
Yeah, so Banana's back back, Uh, the two stealing the money,
1268
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:21.199
So Bananas stealing concera, Ashley is stealing from Hunter. I
1269
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.400
actually like the Ashley is doing from Hunter moment better.
1270
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.360
I think it's a lot more cinematic. I am, let's
1271
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:33.280
see Julie and Veronica for sure. I mean not in
1272
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.760
a positive way, but just in like a memorable way.
1273
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.800
That ct Adam fight on Duel two is something I'll
1274
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.920
never forget for sure. Even the Brad and Durell fight
1275
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:51.840
on the ruins. Your elimination with Joss is up there, absolutely, Yeah,
1276
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.639
I mean those are those are some of the heavy
1277
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:54.679
hitters I think for sure.
1278
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.480
Yeah, and and and and some of them are like
1279
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.320
like fights.
1280
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.000
Most of them are fights, and most.
1281
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:09.559
Of them are kind of uh, you know, competition.
1282
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.719
But like none of them are like oh the daily
1283
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:13.320
are that one daily?
1284
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.159
Yeah for sure? Yeah, and that and that speaks to
1285
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.639
what we're talking about with like who who stands out
1286
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.119
for the Hall of Fame. It's the people with the
1287
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.960
big moments. It's the big characters. The Yeah, the biggest moment.
1288
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:26.920
Most of the biggest moments you think of aren't necessarily
1289
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.079
from an elimination or from a fight or they're from
1290
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.880
a final or like from like a dynamic with a partner,
1291
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:33.199
that sort of thing.
1292
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:38.280
So what's interesting, though, and was made obvious earlier this uh,
1293
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.760
this month or whatever we're gonna call it, is that
1294
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.480
what really gets the Internet a flutter is like any
1295
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:48.559
sort of controversy whatsoever, you know, Uh, stuff that happened
1296
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.400
in the past. Uh, why was this allowed but not
1297
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.079
this allowed?
1298
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:52.559
Uh?
1299
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.159
And whether some of that create you know, involves also
1300
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.679
some sort of off camera subtext and whatnot. Like that's
1301
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.000
really I think what gets people to most heated, the
1302
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.480
most gassed up to debate each other and things like that.
1303
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.039
Is that whole deal, this show that we all fell
1304
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.320
in love with when it was like frat party porn,
1305
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.559
and that we continue to watch today with like this
1306
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.559
great New Standard which is awesome, but all the middle
1307
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.800
ground where there's a lot of blurred lines and there's
1308
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.599
a lot of people getting caught in the crossfires and
1309
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.920
the crosshairs every day, getting not invited back but then
1310
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.960
invited back, and hey, why did you invite this person
1311
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:24.840
back and not this person back? And the show never
1312
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.559
officially commenting really on any of this stuff. Am I
1313
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.280
off base and saying that that is like I think,
1314
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.039
like without admitting it, that has got to be like
1315
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.840
somewhere between one, two, three and four on like the
1316
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.679
power ranking of what people really I don't want to
1317
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.079
say like like about the show and the conversation about
1318
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:42.280
the show, but care the.
1319
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.960
Most about the controversy.
1320
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.639
Yeah, the controversy and the great like sort of what
1321
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.000
happened and what if of it? All the stuff that
1322
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:56.400
never actually gets like like, for instance, an elimination somebody
1323
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.760
probably wins and somebody loses. That gets answered, you know,
1324
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.480
a challenge season and somebody wins, somebody loses. Occasionally there's
1325
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.960
a bit of controversy that would probably fall into this category.
1326
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.280
But those are very cut and dry things that people, yes,
1327
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.199
talk about the great like unknown of it all the
1328
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.840
stuff that doesn't get shown, why it didn't get shown,
1329
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.079
stuff that happened, how it was policed or how was disciplined,
1330
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.039
stuff that you know is disciplined today different from how
1331
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.119
is disciplined there, You know, things like that. I like
1332
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.280
just seeing it recently with Susie and Sarah going on
1333
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.280
a different podcast and saying the same things they've been
1334
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.119
saying for like a decade now. And having it just
1335
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:33.679
take on a new life of its own just tells
1336
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.840
me that, like, this is really I think what gets that,
1337
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.039
like a certain part of the fan base at least
1338
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.280
excited to get those trigger fingers out and start typing.
1339
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:44.159
You know, do you find that at all?
1340
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.840
I mean definitely, Yeah. I think there's a corner of
1341
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.880
the fandom that gets off on tea and like behind
1342
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.400
the scenes things and like things that are like being
1343
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.519
hidden from them to like allegedly or like, yeah, just
1344
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.760
like controversy, our double standards. I think that's a huge
1345
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.639
thing that people harp on for sure. And yeah, and
1346
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.239
I also yeah, I think there's a portion of the
1347
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.079
fan base that enjoys hate watching the show in a way.
1348
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.039
Oh yeah, And I think honestly the spoiler team can
1349
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:18.280
feed into that sometimes.
1350
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.480
I used to accuse Susie and Sarah of hate watching
1351
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:26.719
the show because I'm i am a brain candy patron.
1352
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.920
I've listened to their episode breakdowns or their watch alongs.
1353
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.840
I know they've kind of ceased doing them, but when
1354
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.440
they would do them, I would describe the way in
1355
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.119
which they watched the show for the past couple of
1356
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:36.679
years as.
1357
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:37.360
Hate watching it.
1358
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.920
They took a bit of umbridge with that term. I
1359
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.440
use that term effectually. I hate watch and just like
1360
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.960
that the Sex and the City spin off, Like I
1361
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.719
watch it, my wife and I just like sit there
1362
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.480
with our jaws open, like like did they really do
1363
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:51.239
that that? They say whatever, But we watch it and
1364
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.360
we like it, but we hate watch it. We almost
1365
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.480
like the same thing with the Morning Show. There's other
1366
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.559
shows as well that I would describe the way I
1367
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:58.719
watch it as hate watching it.
1368
00:59:58.760 --> 00:59:59.960
But that doesn't mean that I don't want.
1369
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.760
Yeah, I find with the spoiler accounts and the tone
1370
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.039
at which they kind of almost always have, like I
1371
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.079
kind of liken it to a bit of the you
1372
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:15.320
know what, like the way that when you talk about
1373
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.039
a certain type of like news or politics.
1374
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:18.280
Or even Stephen A.
1375
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.320
Smith for instance, Right, he's like always got to come
1376
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.599
out guns ablaze and his opinion always has to be
1377
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:24.920
this is how it is, and I can't believe this
1378
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:25.679
and that and the other thing.
1379
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.679
It's never like there's never a middle ground. There's never.
1380
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:29.079
But I also like this about it.
1381
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.679
It's also I cannot believe that happened, and I do
1382
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.320
think that over the years, the spoiler accounts like they're
1383
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.840
kind of bread and butter is always coming from a
1384
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:41.400
place of negativity to where from afar you would go, well,
1385
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.159
this is weird. It seems like you're rooting for this
1386
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.400
show to fail. You're kind of like pointing out all
1387
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.000
of its shortcomings. You're pointing out whenever it's hypocritical, You're
1388
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.039
pointing out this and that, and you so you so
1389
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.119
rarely point out when it's just like that episode rocked,
1390
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:56.519
you know, and like we certainly call the show out
1391
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:58.760
when we can, when it's when it's negative and.
1392
01:00:58.719 --> 01:00:59.119
Things like that.
1393
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:00.559
But I think it's mixed in with a lot of
1394
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.880
positivity along the way, because, like I, I don't I
1395
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.559
think it's fair to say that not a lot of
1396
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.599
people would enjoy listening to, let alone paying extra to
1397
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.159
listen to more episodes of two guys just shitting all
1398
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.719
over something. That being said, for whatever reason, when it
1399
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.199
comes to the spoiler accounts, who I like, I look,
1400
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:20.599
I'll say this, I think they do great investigative work
1401
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.119
in journalism that is very integral to the viewing experience
1402
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.760
or the following along experience for a lot of us. Right,
1403
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:29.960
But that being said, they put it through this filter
1404
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.559
of negativity for whatever reason that is. And I think
1405
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.280
it's just that that's what people have come to sort
1406
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.519
of know from them, you know what I mean. Yeah,
1407
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.639
Like if one of them ever just say something nice
1408
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:40.639
about us, I always feel like the comments always kind
1409
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.519
like wait a minute, what wait are should you be?
1410
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:44.159
You know, like, which which is great.
1411
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:45.840
I love when they say nice things about us, and
1412
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.800
just occasionally, just to keep us on our toes, they'll
1413
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.480
throw in you know, kind of a you know, shut up, Scott,
1414
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:51.760
you know, you know, like and then that those are
1415
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.159
the ones that really take off, you know.
1416
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.079
When you come after Marie or Ashley or one of
1417
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.519
their phaves. That's what's gone had fair, I've.
1418
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.480
Learned over the years and never quote unquote come after
1419
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.159
either of those at all.
1420
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:04.400
But why do you think that is? Like, why do
1421
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:05.159
you think.
1422
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:10.119
There's such a sort of propensity to what either hate
1423
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.800
watch the show, root against the show, skew negative about
1424
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.320
the show from people who just like, I mean, and
1425
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.039
I'm one of these people, so I'm not I'm not
1426
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.840
trying to say this is a negative like they like
1427
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.519
sort of like their existence is like very tied to
1428
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:26.440
the show. You know, So if you know what why
1429
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:27.199
do you think that is.
1430
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:40.920
I think I think a lot of people Spoiler Team included,
1431
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:43.320
are have been like very long time fans, and so
1432
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.079
they're very invested in the show, and they have deep
1433
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.400
investments in particular characters like the Ogs or newer people,
1434
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:52.880
but people that are still from real world or are
1435
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.599
you the one that era? And so I think there's
1436
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.719
been a lot of just like resentment and pushback towards
1437
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:00.519
like how the Challenge is involved up in the last
1438
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.800
few years in bringing in people from CBS and other shows,
1439
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.719
from international shows. I think there's a large portion of
1440
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.119
the fan base that it's just like pushing back against that,
1441
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.639
even though it's like kind of the train has left
1442
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.239
the station, like we're not going back. I mean, that's
1443
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:18.719
what All Stars was for initially, and now it's not
1444
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.719
even that. So I think they're I think there's people
1445
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.760
that are just like annoyed about what the Challenge has become,
1446
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.599
like the landscape of it, and so they will just
1447
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.119
try to pick any holes they can because they're just
1448
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.840
mad at the state of the show, which I think
1449
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.679
I'm somewhere in the middle of that, Like I I
1450
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.559
obviously have a reverence for tho OG's and I love
1451
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.840
seeing them pop up, But I also know that the
1452
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.920
Challenge has to stay relevant, has to evolve, it like
1453
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.199
has to like if it if the Challenge is still
1454
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.920
be on the air for twenty five years at this point,
1455
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.000
Like the only way that happens is if it's continuing
1456
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.000
to evolve and continue to like stay fresh and bring
1457
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.920
on people that are relevant and that are from other
1458
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.559
popular shows. And for me, particularly like what the CBS is, Like,
1459
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:02.719
I'm a long time Survivor guy as well and Big
1460
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.880
Brother more recently, so like a lot of these people
1461
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:06.920
I do know, and so that's fun to like see
1462
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.000
them having known them from another show and then seeing
1463
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.599
how they would do in the Challenge environment, So that
1464
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.559
I think that's more rewarding to me than someone who
1465
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.679
only ever watched the Challenge and only watched Real World Rogals.
1466
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.239
Maybe are you the one even that? Maybe not, though
1467
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.119
so I can see from those people who like who
1468
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.559
have that lens of why they would be a little
1469
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.719
disillusioned with the show. But I don't know. Yeah, I
1470
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.159
can't go as far as just like wanting to be
1471
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:32.760
negative all the time about it, Like I don't see
1472
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:34.119
how that is fulfilling.
1473
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.400
Well, you obviously love the show. Yeah, but what's your
1474
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:39.719
biggest gripe about it?
1475
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:51.400
Oh, I would say my biggest right right now with
1476
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:57.480
the show would probably be just like the inconsistency of
1477
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:01.920
the rules I guess, which I know is like part
1478
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.440
of the show, Like it's always been part of the show.
1479
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:05.719
Like that's not new, Like there's always it's always been
1480
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.519
kind of like fluctuated and like on the spot calls
1481
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.920
have been made and stuff. But I just get kind
1482
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:15.559
of annoyed when it's like one when two seasons of
1483
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.239
All Stars, like two people get to win, and then
1484
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:18.599
you just have to be on an All Star season
1485
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.239
where only one person gets to win, regardless of gender,
1486
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.119
Like I I personally hate that. I think there should
1487
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.119
always be a winner for each gender, at least one winner.
1488
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.519
I also, I think we've gotten too far away from
1489
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.800
team wins, Like I think part of the reason why,
1490
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.639
like we've had like so few winners over the last
1491
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:40.280
ten years, Like when you really go down the line,
1492
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:41.920
we've had so few winners over the lats of years
1493
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.639
because it's always like individual or partner wins and it's
1494
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.639
a lot of the same people winning over and over again,
1495
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.880
which is great for like their legacies and their stats.
1496
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.000
But then it's like when you come down to doing
1497
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:52.679
a season like World Championship or if they ever try
1498
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:54.280
to do an all winter season, like you're really limited
1499
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.920
because you haven't had these more like team seas, even
1500
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:58.519
like team of four, like I liked like the War
1501
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.800
of the World's where like four people want World Wars two,
1502
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:03.280
like when four people wont that Like I like that format.
1503
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:05.519
I mean, I don't think we need to go back
1504
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.239
to like Gauntlet days where like nine people are winning necessarily,
1505
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.639
but I think just having more variation of like how
1506
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.679
many people are winning so that we can have more champions,
1507
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.199
is that would be better for the show than just
1508
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:18.360
having one or two winners every time and a lot
1509
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.639
of the time it being the same person.
1510
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:21.880
You know, we talk about this when it comes to
1511
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:23.760
Hall of Fame when you start counting wins, and it's
1512
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.239
obviously it's so crazy when you break down the last
1513
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.639
like I don't know, ten seasons, maybe even more, how
1514
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.719
few people other than like Johnny Jordan CT of one.
1515
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.119
And what's crazy is when you do add in the
1516
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.679
wins that like a Tyler got or that a win
1517
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.400
that a, you.
1518
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:41.719
Know a case he got rare.
1519
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:45.199
They they're always those like team wins, whether it's two
1520
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.559
guys and two girls one like for instance, Paula having
1521
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:51.440
those two wins playing alongside Evelyn and Emily, Like, I
1522
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:54.679
totally agree with you, whether it's every now and then
1523
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:56.519
do that big team season like they did for War
1524
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.840
of the World's two, which you know, not my favorite format,
1525
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:00.880
but I'm okay with sprinkling that from time to time.
1526
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.519
But what I really wish we could get back to
1527
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.440
is those seasons that had teams of two teams of
1528
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.440
two men and teams of two women competing against each other,
1529
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.119
where the end ends up with two guys and two
1530
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:16.079
gals as champions. And what makes it so mind boggling
1531
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.440
that they pivoted away from that is that simultaneously, while
1532
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:24.360
pivoting away from that, they started doing like like seasons
1533
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.519
where they would build they would say like, oh, it's
1534
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.320
only the best of the best, or it's only people
1535
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:30.719
who made a final, or only people who won, and
1536
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.480
they've pigeonholed themselves, where like season forty of Survivor was
1537
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.599
so easy to pull off winners at War where you
1538
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:39.320
could even leave winners on the cutting room floor because
1539
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:43.960
other than Sandra, every single season had a new winner, right,
1540
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.599
Whereas with the Challenge, you have so many repeat winners.
1541
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.360
And they stop doing the multiple winner.
1542
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:54.840
Thing, that throwing a couple quote unquote cancelations where that's
1543
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:57.159
just unfortunate. But you've had a few people who, for
1544
01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:59.719
whatever reason, they've decided not to bring back some people,
1545
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.760
you know why, like a d new n some people
1546
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.199
you have no idea, like a Rogan O'Connor, whatever it is,
1547
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:07.559
And like you end up with this, like people talk
1548
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:09.559
about could they do an all winter season of The Challenge,
1549
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.360
Like the answer is probably no, and like that's why,
1550
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:14.880
And so I'm totally with you, man, bring.
1551
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.640
Back now with diversity requirements.
1552
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:17.960
Yeah, well, well that is.
1553
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.880
Again why I think they over the course of the
1554
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:24.560
first few years of the show, they they could have never.
1555
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:25.600
Kind of maybe seen it coming.
1556
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:29.039
But it's like, yeah, you're a victim of your own
1557
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.960
casting process for years and years and years and years.
1558
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:34.800
Where look, I'm not saying these shows weren't a certain
1559
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.600
level of diverse for those first twenty seasons, but the
1560
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.600
diversity that they did implement, those people weren't winning the
1561
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:44.720
show unfortunately, and that was a product of you know,
1562
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:46.600
when you hear a Brandon or you hear people talk
1563
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:48.840
about their experience on a Survivor or a Big Brother
1564
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.079
leading up to what has now been this new diversity initiative,
1565
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:56.359
the thing was there wasn't enough of people who when
1566
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:58.960
I showed up, I knew who to align with and whatnot.
1567
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.079
And like, look now, for nothing that J. E.
1568
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.000
K Slash Derek dynasty and whatnot who had like, you know,
1569
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.159
you throw in a Paula here, you throw in an
1570
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.720
Evelyn here, and you throw in other people like, you know,
1571
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.119
there's another thing you could call that dynasty, you know.
1572
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:14.600
But so anyway, good.
1573
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:20.880
Well, like Season forty has the opportunity to do that,
1574
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:24.199
right like, it's it's it's set up, it's got all
1575
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:28.439
the makings. You got your teams that you kind of like,
1576
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.000
right like, you can pick one of these teams and
1577
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:33.600
be like, man, I know these people are gonna get
1578
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:37.800
chopped up throughout the way, but at some point I'm
1579
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.000
hoping that a few of us on this team are
1580
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.720
going to make it at the end of this somehow,
1581
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.399
and all of us are going to collectively find a
1582
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:49.720
way to win. So that's that's the hope right now,
1583
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:54.079
at least for me going into into season forty. Yeah,
1584
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.319
so hopefully that that that happens.
1585
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:56.600
Right.
1586
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.560
But but John, before we get to your stats, because
1587
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.279
we know that you have the padded stats and you
1588
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:07.239
want to bring it to light, which we absolutely love,
1589
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:09.399
and me and you were going to have a little
1590
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:16.479
debate on whether or not the island eliminations, how they
1591
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:21.079
should be recorded, Who gets wins, who gets losses, who doesn't.
1592
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.399
I want to I want to know who are some of.
1593
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:30.079
Your favorite Challenge cast members and why, and then also
1594
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:33.560
who are some of your least favorite Challenge cast and why.
1595
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:35.560
That's why I'll put you on the spot.
1596
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:41.479
Here, John, Yes, I love it, Okay, favorites for sure.
1597
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:46.520
Kohuta Khudah is my absolute all time favorite. Just just
1598
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:49.680
an amazing person. I mean as soon as he came
1599
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:52.600
on the scene Reward Sydney, I loved him. I loved
1600
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.439
him in all season. He was always an underdog, similar
1601
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:56.560
to you in a lot of ways, I think, d
1602
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.479
but unfortunately I had less success. But yeah, just small
1603
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.760
guy but like who just like always outkicked his coverage
1604
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.560
on the Challenge. I remember when he beat wes An
1605
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:06.439
elimination on the Ruins, like that was such a big
1606
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:10.880
moment for me, and yeah, just like a sweetheart. And
1607
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.800
I feel like he's really gotten screwed recently, Like I
1608
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.800
feel like he needed a spot immediately after what happened
1609
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.399
to him on All Stars too. I don't understand how
1610
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:20.399
he has not been back since then because he just
1611
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.359
got completely hosed with that whole situation. I think he
1612
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.840
would have been great for Ara two on season forty.
1613
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:29.640
I think he would have been great on another All
1614
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.800
Star season. So I hope we're not done with them,
1615
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.359
because I think he brings a lot to the show
1616
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:36.720
and I don't think he's he's reached his full potential
1617
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:39.840
on the show either. I've always been a West guy,
1618
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:47.720
sorry D. But over the years, yeah, I mean, like
1619
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:49.760
I said, my first season was fresh Meat, and Wes
1620
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:51.720
was such a big part of that season. Not in
1621
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.520
a great way, I'll say, like he was pretty pretty
1622
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.920
pretty assholey on that season towards Casey especially, but just
1623
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:01.720
like a huge character. And then I think over the
1624
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.479
years has evolved a bunch, But I always respected like
1625
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:07.880
just his mental game and just I mean his I
1626
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.960
mean definitely his showmanship, but like just like I think
1627
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.760
he's a great narrator and I always just enjoy hearing
1628
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.079
his perspective on the game and like his plans and
1629
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.000
his alliances and all that, and someone in that same
1630
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.359
mold more recently that I I'm a big fan of
1631
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:26.079
his Devin, big dev guy. He was someone who I
1632
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:28.520
hated on his RU the one season, and then he
1633
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.199
came over to the Challenge and like completely won me
1634
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.680
over because he was on Rivals three with Cheyenne and
1635
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.840
was like an amazing partner to her, like stuck up
1636
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:37.079
for her when she was getting bullied by Bananas and
1637
01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:42.159
Vince and yeah, and then always like gave it to Bananas. Who,
1638
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.960
to transition to your other question, has always been one
1639
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.039
of my least favorites. A huge Bananas hater. I've never
1640
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.960
been a fan. Obviously can acknowledge like what he's brought
1641
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:54.119
to the show and like his legacy and all that,
1642
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.960
but yeah, never never been a fan. Bananas has always
1643
01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.720
annoyed the heck out of me, and so any chance
1644
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:01.600
I can get to hate on Bananas, I will take
1645
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.359
for sure. And then on the female side, I would
1646
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.800
say a huge John A fan, always have been, even
1647
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.000
in her initial era where she wasn't having as much success.
1648
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.239
I always rooted for her. She was another one who
1649
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:16.960
I felt like was an underdog and was mistreated in
1650
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:18.760
a lot of ways. And then to see her come
1651
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.159
back being a mom on All Stars, it's just probably
1652
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.399
the coolest comeback story in the history of the Challenge,
1653
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.159
I would say. And I've gotten to meet her twice
1654
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.640
now in Phoenix and in Chicago. And Chicago she recognized
1655
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.680
me and came up to me, which was really cool.
1656
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:38.079
So I love john A. And then someone from the
1657
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:43.720
older days, I mean, Paula was amazing. I love Paula.
1658
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.680
I understand why she does think back to the show
1659
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.800
for her own well being nowadays, but she's just someone
1660
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.600
who has such a big place in my heart for
1661
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.960
the Challenge. I remember that going back to like the
1662
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:57.920
biggest moments for me from the Challenge when I forgot
1663
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.439
to say, was that moment on the island where her
1664
01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:02.880
where she gets left out of that boat, was like
1665
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:04.880
so heartbreaking to me because I was such a big
1666
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:08.000
Poula fan. And so yeah, those are some of my
1667
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:08.720
favorites for sure.
1668
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:11.199
Very nice.
1669
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:12.760
A couple of things I want to do before we
1670
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.479
let John go, Uh, well just out he's out right,
1671
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:15.920
just like.
1672
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:19.279
That, gone all right, the wrong thing.
1673
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:21.760
So a couple things I want to do before we
1674
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.000
let John go. We do have some questions from some
1675
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.359
of the Challenge maniacs. Over Challenge maniacs dot com will
1676
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.800
rapid fire. But I know you have your stat sheets
1677
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:30.800
and your spreadsheets that you're making public. I know you've
1678
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.520
posted them in a few places as well. Anything that
1679
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.039
you want to go over with those, I know you
1680
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.359
and D have privately got into a back and forth
1681
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.000
about what is or isn't valid about his elimination record.
1682
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:42.319
Why don't you start there and put it out there
1683
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:42.960
for everybody?
1684
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.279
Why you guys are kind of butting heads about a
1685
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:46.840
certain stat there on D's record.
1686
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.920
Uh sure, I mean, first of all, night set up
1687
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.119
a little bit like why I started my sheets? Please?
1688
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.960
This is yours? Cool? Yeah, So for a long time,
1689
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:00.720
I mean, like I said, like I've always been a
1690
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:02.960
huge stats guy, like just in general growing up as
1691
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.840
a kid with sports, with movies, with everything, and so
1692
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:09.880
then with the Challenge I always was too, but I
1693
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.520
always got frustrated because there wasn't like a clear like
1694
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:14.800
way to like see how people stack up against each
1695
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.359
other when it comes to the stats, like you'd have
1696
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.159
to go to the challenge wiki and just like individually
1697
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.479
go to people's pages and try to compare it that way,
1698
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:23.520
and it just like was super inefficient, and so I
1699
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:25.359
was like for years, I was like, Oh, I wish
1700
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:27.119
there was just like a site, a website or like
1701
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:29.760
something that could just like rank these people or like
1702
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.119
like compare their numbers and everything. But I never did
1703
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:35.239
anything about it. And then I actually going back to
1704
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:37.319
the COVID we were talking about earlier. So I got
1705
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.159
COVID in August twenty twenty one, I want to say,
1706
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.520
and so I was like like out of commission for
1707
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:44.800
a bit, and I was like, you know what, I'm
1708
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.520
going to use this time to like finally start this
1709
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.119
thing that I've been like thinking about for years. And
1710
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.800
so like I just started a spreadsheet. I think I
1711
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.239
started with eliminations probably and just started like in putting
1712
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.239
all the stats from the challenge wiki. And then along
1713
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:00.800
the way, like there was like certain things with the
1714
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:03.119
wiki that like I didn't fully agree with the way
1715
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:04.680
they were doing, so like I made my own tweaks
1716
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.399
to it and stuff, and it just like really blew up.
1717
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.560
So the last three years, I've just been working on it,
1718
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.560
adding like updating it every season and then also like
1719
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.880
adding like new stats that I can think of, new categories.
1720
01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.439
I mean, it started out it's just like one gigantic spreadsheet,
1721
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:19.880
and then I like eventually split it up into categories.
1722
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.560
So now I have like I have an eliminations sheet,
1723
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:24.760
I have a daily sheet, I have a wins and
1724
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:28.520
finals sheet, season appearances, season placements, and then miscellaneous, which
1725
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.640
has like just a few random stat categories in it.
1726
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:34.560
And yeah, it's just like something that's been super fun
1727
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.319
for me just to like see how everyone stacks up
1728
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:41.000
against each other, see how things get updated from season
1729
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.359
to season. But like lately it's been somebouns like, oh,
1730
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.079
this would be cool to share with the public and
1731
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:47.720
like see what they think about it and see if
1732
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:49.720
this would be like a helpful resource just for the
1733
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:54.079
online community. So yeah, I think the week that season
1734
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.560
forty premiers, probably maybe the Monday of that week, I'm
1735
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.359
I'm gonna post it on my on my Twitter and
1736
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.319
I'm on Reddit and just see how people respond to it.
1737
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:07.039
And it should be fun. It's funny with Reddit because
1738
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:09.680
I didn't realize so I've been on Reddit for a
1739
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.199
while now, but I didn't sign up with like my
1740
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:13.720
name as my usual name. I was just like one
1741
01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:18.479
of those randomly assigned Reddit names, and you can't change
1742
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:20.920
your usual name on Reddit. I didn't. I discovered this recently,
1743
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:23.560
so now I'm having to like, I made a new
1744
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:25.720
profile like you as John Hurdles, and like, now I
1745
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:27.560
have to like comment on stuff and like get my
1746
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:29.640
Reddit karmra up to a place where I can make
1747
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.960
this post because they like don't let you post for
1748
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:36.119
a while. But so yeah, I'm working on that, and
1749
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:37.960
so then I'm gonna be able to hopefully make this
1750
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.680
post the week of the premiere and that.
1751
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:44.399
Well you're you wanting to go by your real name
1752
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:44.920
down there.
1753
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.359
I think it's a big, big win for humanity there.
1754
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.119
I don't vote, I don't I don't go down there
1755
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:52.680
at all for the rest and I will post this
1756
01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:54.159
as well, John.
1757
01:17:54.039 --> 01:18:04.199
Cool, I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, I'll share it on my.
1758
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:05.199
X for Twitter.
1759
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:07.920
I hate what's the d thing with the eliminate You're
1760
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:11.640
counting eliminations on a season that he doesn't count correct, Well.
1761
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:15.800
We count it in different ways, so so they're on
1762
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.680
the Island. Instead of eliminations, they had face offs, and
1763
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:24.079
the way the way that eliminations okay, well, so the
1764
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:26.119
way the face offs worked was like is like three
1765
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:28.760
people go into a face off. The person who wins
1766
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:31.439
the face off autumn gets a key automatically because like
1767
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.439
the whole twist of that season that you had to
1768
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:35.279
earn your key to get on the vote for the final.
1769
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:37.399
So like, if you win one of the face offs,
1770
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:39.600
you get your key for the final. It's kind of
1771
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:44.000
like the Stars twist in a way. But anyway, so
1772
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:45.520
the person who wins it gets a key, and then
1773
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.920
the two people who don't win go into a vote,
1774
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:50.520
and then the person who survives the vote gets a key.
1775
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:53.880
The person who doesn't survive goes home. So I think
1776
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.520
the way D counts it is that the winner of
1777
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.560
the face off gets an elimination win, the person who
1778
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:02.279
gets voted out gets elimination loss, and then the person
1779
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:05.800
who gets saved by the vote just is neutral. Which
1780
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.279
I understand that thinking, but one that's not the way
1781
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:11.680
that the wiki tracks it. That's so that's the way
1782
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.479
like I initially inputted, it was just going they count
1783
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.079
like the losses and face off as just regular losses.
1784
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.880
And so I think it gets tricky because I don't
1785
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.800
know that you can count like a vote out as
1786
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.239
the same thing as an elimination. Like I have a
1787
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:32.279
separate stat on my messcellaneous stats that are like number
1788
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.159
of vote outs, because back in the day, that's how
1789
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:37.239
it was instead of eliminations, was a vote out. And
1790
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:39.199
so I think it gets weird when you're like, well,
1791
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:41.920
it was like partly an elimination, partly a vote out,
1792
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.720
but we're going to count it as elimination for the
1793
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.000
person who gets voted out, but not the person who stays.
1794
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:47.560
I don't know, it's just weird.
1795
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.119
Well, Derek, the scoffing at the idea of a vote
1796
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:52.840
out meaning anything. But what's interesting is like on Survivor
1797
01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:55.960
where they don't have eliminations, Like someone like Michelle who's
1798
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.960
never been voted out. That's like a banner stat of hers, right,
1799
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.560
She's gone two complete seasons, she's never been voted out. Essentially,
1800
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:05.439
the social currency of not being voted out or being
1801
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.399
voted out or whatever is is like a winnable stat.
1802
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:11.079
It's almost the closest you can get to being eliminated
1803
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.800
or not. The challenge because they have physical eliminations. It
1804
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:17.800
does make it a harder pill to swallow, to consider
1805
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:22.000
it all sort of being voted out verbally. However, you're right,
1806
01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:23.960
there was several seasons where that was the only way
1807
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:26.279
you were getting eliminated was by just see you later,
1808
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.119
by yeah.
1809
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:29.279
Well I mean.
1810
01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:34.239
And then the later seasons you go into the elimination round,
1811
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.680
you fight for it.
1812
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:39.600
Right, one person.
1813
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:44.359
It wins the thing, and there's one person that gets
1814
01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:49.119
eliminated they go home, right, So there's a person in
1815
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.399
the middle here that stays in the game and actually
1816
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:57.520
gets a key, like they actually win more than they
1817
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:03.760
actually lose. They they yes, they lose the action to
1818
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:09.800
one person that gets the ultimate safety, right immunity and
1819
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:14.319
the key right elimination win we both agree on. And
1820
01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:17.680
there's two people that go down and they have to
1821
01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:22.880
speak for themselves, and one of those people gets eliminated,
1822
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.239
and one of those people continues to stay in the game.
1823
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:28.319
And earns a key.
1824
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:33.159
So on top of that, on top of you know,
1825
01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:39.399
not completely losing the entire losing getting eliminated from the show,
1826
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:43.159
they're gaining more. So I think there's even more than
1827
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.039
fifty percent leaning towards they stay in the game and
1828
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.079
they win something as opposed to now you.
1829
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:51.239
Just get an L. Actually they get a W. They
1830
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.279
get like two ws on top of that. But the
1831
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.239
way you keep in the stats. I just think that
1832
01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:58.640
in the world of sport, in the.
1833
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:04.760
Pride of Sport, one person, yes, gets the elimination win,
1834
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:06.720
one person gets the lost, but the guy, the person
1835
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:10.079
in the middle, I think gets some sort of immunity
1836
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:12.119
from come taking a complete out.
1837
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:17.760
So it's just like a draw basically a wash to wash. Yeah,
1838
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:19.399
I see, I see where you're coming from. I just
1839
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:24.159
think it's it's hard to like notate that like when
1840
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:26.479
it's just like hard for consistency sake, because it's so
1841
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.439
different from the elimination rounds on all the other seasons,
1842
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:29.880
you know.
1843
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:34.079
Yeah, but I mean they're like there's so many different
1844
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:37.359
ways to get eliminated, Like they's they've they've created all
1845
01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:42.119
there's no like cut and pace. There's so many like
1846
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.119
different ways that they've eliminated people.
1847
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:47.560
Yeah, that like the purges.
1848
01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.159
I'll even go out there and argue the elimination round
1849
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:57.239
between me Hunter and Tony on Dirty thirty. That was
1850
01:22:57.319 --> 01:23:01.119
the the last thing that you had to do before
1851
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:04.920
you went to the final. In my brain as a competitor,
1852
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:10.199
this is the final elimination before the final. One person
1853
01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.239
wins and the other two go home, you know, like
1854
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:17.760
that right there, That's where I would say two people
1855
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.960
are eliminated from the game. One person wins and then
1856
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.439
they get the elimination win. But because you know, I
1857
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:29.880
didn't to be honest, I haven't rewatched that elimination. I
1858
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.800
don't know what they called it, but to me, that's
1859
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:37.399
an elimination round and one person gets a win. Two
1860
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:40.199
people get the out because they go home. There's no
1861
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.520
like immunity there right and on the island people get
1862
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:51.319
saved from that elimination. They actually don't get eliminated. So
1863
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:54.119
to me, it's very cut and dry. One person wins,
1864
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:56.960
one person loses, the other one stays in the game
1865
01:23:57.239 --> 01:23:57.720
and they.
1866
01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:58.880
Get they get nothing.
1867
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:03.720
Maybe maybe they get an elimination, they get to go.
1868
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:07.960
You say, oh, they have an elimination. They've participated in
1869
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:11.159
an elimination in that moment. But I think, to me,
1870
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:14.880
it's it's pretty contry. Especially I for completely forgot that
1871
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.600
you get a key if you talk yourself into staying
1872
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:19.079
in the game.
1873
01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:21.760
Yeah, and I completely forgot about that.
1874
01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:23.680
So to me, if we're going to go fifty to
1875
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:25.760
fifty on it, fifty percent of.
1876
01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:28.920
That is here. You get a lot.
1877
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:35.640
More by you know, you know, surviving that you know.
1878
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.720
Yeah, yeah, I totally I totally get where you're coming from.
1879
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.000
And I'll take that into consideration for sure. I think, yeah,
1880
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.119
I think something I could do is instead of counting
1881
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.760
it as a loss for you in that case or
1882
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.840
all the other people who like the other middle people, yeah,
1883
01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:52.680
the mint people, I think I can count it as
1884
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.680
a draw and like note it as like one draw,
1885
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:58.560
because that is something I do for there's only one
1886
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:02.039
case of this, but for Nelson and Jarrell when they
1887
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:05.319
had their mercenary elimination on Bandettas, it ended up in
1888
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:07.840
a draw. So for those two guys, like on their stats,
1889
01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:10.520
I have listed one draw, and so I think that's
1890
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:12.079
something I could I could do for the for you
1891
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:13.920
and the other middle people there on that.
1892
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:15.479
You think that would have been a draw.
1893
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:18.720
Draw, it's not a draw, you actually get it's more
1894
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:19.279
of a win.
1895
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.000
Well, how do I that's an actual draw? Note you
1896
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:24.760
get more of a how do I note that it is?
1897
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.359
It's a wash?
1898
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:29.399
You don't it's a wash.
1899
01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:33.800
It's it's it's it's it's it's like, it's it's nothing.
1900
01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.079
It's just it's it's a wash, it's it's.
1901
01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:36.479
Uh.
1902
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:40.079
I just you know, the Island is just frustrating to
1903
01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:43.760
a statistician because it's just so different from every other season.
1904
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.439
Like so there's like there's no dailies, there's only the
1905
01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:49.079
face offs. And it's like, are those dailies? Are those eliminations?
1906
01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:51.039
What do we call them? I think it's just it's
1907
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:53.720
not black and white. I understand you see it as
1908
01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.279
black white. To me, it's not black and white.
1909
01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.399
I lived it.
1910
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.479
The way you you viewed this from day one is
1911
01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:04.239
oh shit, there's no dailies.
1912
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:09.520
There's only eliminations. They're called face offs. I mean they
1913
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.079
used to be called gauntlets and infernos and uh, you
1914
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.399
know duels. That's what this is. It's a three way
1915
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:21.000
base off. One person wins, one person loses, one person
1916
01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:23.479
stays in the game.
1917
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:25.159
Yeah you know that.
1918
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:27.840
To me, it's cut and dry as an athlete, someone
1919
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:31.239
that's been through it. I think that's the way you
1920
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:31.760
look at it.
1921
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:35.760
I'll take it into consideration.
1922
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:39.800
Darrell and Nelson, that's a complete try. They stopped the game.
1923
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:40.920
That's legit.
1924
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:43.479
But to be fair, I'll be honest, challenge gods are
1925
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:45.880
not calling that a draw. The reason they got bailed
1926
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:47.439
out by being able to call that a draw is
1927
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:49.560
Derell's a mercenary. He can't get in the game anyway.
1928
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They letting Nelson stay in the game or whatever, it's
1929
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a draw if they're both still in the game.
1930
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There's no precedent for just letting two people just stay
1931
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in the game.
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They would not have done that. They would have found
1933
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.560
a way. The life finds a way, all right. We
1934
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:03.000
got to wrap it part of somebody because we got
1935
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to run.
1936
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Okay.
1937
01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:09.640
Uh, this is sort of a piffy question from Evil
1938
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.159
Paul here. He wants to know John, how much does
1939
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:15.000
it grind your gears when Derek and Scott's job is
1940
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.680
the challenge and they get easy stats like three time
1941
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:20.920
champ Veronica when CT was booted. What happened on the
1942
01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:24.159
recent episode they're viewing wrong? Love the podcast, but I
1943
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:27.800
do WinCE when that happens. So do you win so longside,
1944
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.159
mister Shayler here, or do you liking it and chalking
1945
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.119
it up to hey, trying our best?
1946
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:33.079
Not that's serious bra.
1947
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.319
Yeah, I mean I definitely don't WinCE. I Like I
1948
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:41.439
said before, like I don't think that every challenge for
1949
01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:42.920
you or watches the show in the same way that
1950
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.039
I do. That it's like so detailed and so statistic statistical,
1951
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.920
like and I know you guys have like a million
1952
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:50.359
things to think of when you're watching the show because
1953
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:51.960
you're like doing notes on like what you're gonna say
1954
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:54.039
on the podcast and like more big picture stuff than
1955
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.199
like the minutia. So like, I definitely don't hold it
1956
01:27:57.239 --> 01:27:58.880
against you, guys, But I also like I use it
1957
01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:01.960
as opportunity to like just correct you, like provide clarification
1958
01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:02.399
on those.
1959
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We're doing it for you love that.
1960
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.359
We know we love that, you know, like like we like.
1961
01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:11.199
We're you know, we're I mean, like we had Brandon
1962
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:14.119
on yesterday, and I'm thinking about this moment where him
1963
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:19.520
and Tie uh you know, had gotten He basically knocks
1964
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:24.680
Tigh out. He Tie turns into the ridiculous logo, the
1965
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:27.159
ridiculousness logo, right, and he's sitting there on top of
1966
01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:28.840
his fucking head with his feet up in the air,
1967
01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:31.079
on top of chains and this pole strapped.
1968
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.479
To his to his side, and I go back.
1969
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:36.960
I have the clip, and in my head, I thought,
1970
01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:40.039
you know, somewhere in there, I walk down there, there's
1971
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:43.199
an ambulance, and I'm thinking, I feel like this was
1972
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:44.720
on the show, but I hadn't seen it in a
1973
01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:46.479
long time. But I pulled the clip and I'm not
1974
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:49.479
down there in Ty's face being like Ty, you gotta
1975
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:53.039
get up, come on. But I started thinking, I was like,
1976
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:55.640
am I I'm just elaborating shit at this point right,
1977
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:56.960
because I can't really.
1978
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:01.239
Remember exact exactly anymore.
1979
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:03.840
From twenty years ago, right, or fifteen years ago whatever,
1980
01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:08.439
ten years ago, fourteen years ago. But now that I
1981
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:10.920
start thinking about, I go back then, dude. They had
1982
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:13.720
dailies for MTV dot com.
1983
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.640
Oh yeah, And that was an era. That was a
1984
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:17.560
wild era.
1985
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:18.960
And those were awesome.
1986
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:22.720
They would pull clips from the show that they wouldn't
1987
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:26.800
air on TV and put them on MTV dot com,
1988
01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:29.319
and so when you'd wake up the next day, you'd
1989
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:33.680
have like, you know, like six new clips from an
1990
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:37.159
episode shit that you didn't see on MTV dot com,
1991
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:38.720
which has gone now rest in peace.
1992
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:43.079
But that's where I remember. They they they played an
1993
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:45.560
extension of that.
1994
01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:48.800
Yeah, Because I was just like you're so fucking dumb.
1995
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.520
You're just like out here making shit up that you
1996
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:52.800
don't even know is true.
1997
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:54.840
But I'm close.
1998
01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:57.039
It was true the show itself.
1999
01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:58.720
Yeah, right, right right.
2000
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.039
I will say, look in our audio only days, I
2001
01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.119
would often do my best to I would mute myself,
2002
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.000
I'd go on the week whatever. And I probably came
2003
01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:08.920
off as a lot smarter back then because I was
2004
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:12.640
constantly re checking stuff before I like died on the
2005
01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:15.800
sword of a stat Now that we're video, I'll be honest,
2006
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.319
a lot of this stuff just has to come top
2007
01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:20.720
of the dome. Sometimes we say or misspeak. What I'll say,
2008
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:22.880
Paul Schayler, is that look, if we go on a
2009
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.960
twenty minute rant that hinges on something that isn't right,
2010
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:28.640
then sure. But if we just in passing get like
2011
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:31.239
an amount of seasons wrong or a debut season wrong, whatever,
2012
01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:31.960
it's like, come.
2013
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:33.920
On, dude, that's a deal.
2014
01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:36.479
Okay, But I asked the question, so you should be flattered,
2015
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:38.600
all right, Bad Bobby says, who do you want to
2016
01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:40.319
be partners in fantasy football with?
2017
01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:44.279
Obviously Bad Bobby, we need our redemption for team we
2018
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.399
came for TDH.
2019
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.359
Is that what you were we came for TDS. That's good.
2020
01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:53.319
Listen, me and Stevie Batelli, man, we finished in third,
2021
01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:56.399
came in from the back all the way.
2022
01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:56.880
To the front.
2023
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.680
The Bochinski's you know, I'm calling for uh, you know,
2024
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:02.560
a rematch on my side?
2025
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:03.239
You got it?
2026
01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:05.720
But Shelley, where are you at? But I've been trying
2027
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:06.960
to hit you up? I hope all as well.
2028
01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:08.960
By the way, I do want to answer the other
2029
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.880
Evil Paul question because I didn't see that.
2030
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.680
Yeah, so he wants to know that was just the one.
2031
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:16.000
Next one I'm reading, since you count spin offs for
2032
01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:19.279
charity and unaired eliminations not to get back into the game,
2033
01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:22.199
do you have Susie and Camilla as three times champs
2034
01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.399
for the Challenge spring Break?
2035
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:28.479
Yeah. So that's another thing about my spreadsheets is that
2036
01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:34.079
I try to like keep it so where it's like
2037
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.800
either it's all or it's just the flagship. So I
2038
01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:40.560
have gum middle of stats that have like everything from
2039
01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:43.800
all seasons, all iterations of the show, all spinoffs, that
2040
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.800
includes all those stats, and then I have separate tabs
2041
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:50.680
that are like Flagship only, all Stars, Champs, First Stars,
2042
01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:55.880
pros USA, like all of that. So I I just
2043
01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:58.119
think it makes no sense to like count some spinoffs
2044
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:00.640
and not count others. So I think you either have
2045
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:02.000
to count all of it, or you just have to
2046
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:04.960
look at the each individual iteration of it on their
2047
01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:07.479
own and specifically, I wanted to talk to you guys
2048
01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.760
about this because I know this is like a debate,
2049
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.119
and I think more so people are on the other
2050
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.279
side of it. But I absolutely need to count champs
2051
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:19.960
versus pros and star stats if you're also going to
2052
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:21.800
like factor in like the first six seasons of the
2053
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.520
show where they didn't do eliminations, the finals were just
2054
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.960
like the last Daily Challenge, And like, if you're going
2055
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.000
to count those seasons, why are we not counting seasons
2056
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.399
where they did do eliminations? They did have finals. I
2057
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:36.079
know they filmed it in a hotel. I get it.
2058
01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:38.359
It was for charity, I get it, But like, competitively,
2059
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:41.520
it's at a higher level than those early seasons were.
2060
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.039
Can I say that I think that I'm with you.
2061
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:48.680
I wish that retroactively we could have maybe come to
2062
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.399
this decision at the time, But I feel like at
2063
01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:52.840
the time it felt like some goofy, one off celebrity
2064
01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:54.800
thing that it was easy to just write off. But
2065
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:58.319
now that they're doing spin offs left and right, you know,
2066
01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:01.159
I do think that in comparison and to you know,
2067
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.520
let's take Challenge All Stars season four, right, like, you know,
2068
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:07.560
you break it down elimination by elimination, those eliminations aren't
2069
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:10.319
that much harder than the things that they were doing
2070
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.159
on the uh Champs the Stars. Dare I say that
2071
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:18.720
that Champs Versus Stars season three final was physically more
2072
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.079
tough than the one on we just watched.
2073
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:23.760
So I think that I think now.
2074
01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:25.720
Retroactively, it's like it's like it's like it's sort of
2075
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:28.680
how like when you look back on George W. Bush,
2076
01:33:28.800 --> 01:33:31.199
you're like, it wasn't that bad, you know, And now
2077
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:32.039
it's like you look.
2078
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:34.520
Back on Chancellors and Stars you're like, that wasn't that easy.
2079
01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.239
But at the time, it was like what we're going
2080
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.720
from watching like Vendetta's War the World to that, and
2081
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:44.039
you're like, all right, that's like not no, it's definitely.
2082
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:45.800
A step down from like those immediate seasons, but it's
2083
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.760
a step up from like the original what the show was.
2084
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:52.600
Yeah, well, and that that's always been the argument I'll take.
2085
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:57.479
I'll take a step step even above that when you
2086
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:00.039
go back and look at some of these early you know,
2087
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.760
Champs versus pros, Champs versus Star seasons, like you had
2088
01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:07.520
like Wes and Johnny going against each other and stick fighting.
2089
01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:12.359
What's the difference between that elimination blind stick fighting and
2090
01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:15.119
Preston and Knight's elimination when in.
2091
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:17.680
Rivals too or whatever it was sorry for.
2092
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:23.439
Doing math, yeah, or or or or or Jordan and
2093
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:28.159
Wes uh doing a puzzle for an elimination and uh,
2094
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:31.680
you know Tina and Cam doing a puzzle during their
2095
01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.119
trampoline elimination like.
2096
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:36.479
It's it's not there, you know. And then and then
2097
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:37.079
you got.
2098
01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:39.520
Like, you know, going back to Wes's wins because this
2099
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:44.279
is gonna pad his stats. You know what, you know
2100
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.680
you got You got Wes and Devin in a you know,
2101
01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:49.640
pull the patch off each other's bodies, you know, which
2102
01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:52.119
I think was one of the more like physical eliminations
2103
01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:54.680
versus some of the All Stars eliminations that we saw
2104
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:55.840
this season.
2105
01:34:57.239 --> 01:35:00.600
What about Anissa and our girl Michelle Waterson, the karate
2106
01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.439
Hottie her nickname, by the way, not mine.
2107
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.560
She just retired from MMA. Congrats to michellehr.
2108
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:08.560
But but her and a knises at a pretty damn
2109
01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:10.479
physical elimination. I remember we had them both on the
2110
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:12.840
podcast after that. I think I recorded that from Seattle.
2111
01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:14.319
I was there for a wedding. That was a disaster
2112
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.680
of an episode. But by the way Justice for Matt
2113
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:21.039
Rife took down Corey, I would argue his elimination, Rife
2114
01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:24.840
beats Corey. This is years before, years before he became
2115
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:27.560
a headlining stand up comic who's selling out arenas left
2116
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:29.560
and right with his crowd work. This is back when
2117
01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:32.520
he was like the he was on walling out and
2118
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.159
they tried to make him the TRL reboot host and
2119
01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:37.239
he still had that great jaw line. But he beat
2120
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:39.319
Corey in an elimination that dare I say was more
2121
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:41.880
impressive than the flaming Fireball soccer elimination.
2122
01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:45.479
Yeah, so Justice for Matt Rife, I think is a
2123
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:46.239
good way to put this.
2124
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:47.439
What was that elimination?
2125
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.960
I can't recall they were both on the little podiums.
2126
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.439
This hit Twitter recently and I watched it. It actually
2127
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:54.960
was like a pretty it was, you know.
2128
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.000
It reminded me a lot of like the a couple
2129
01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.760
of the USA eliminations recently that they had where it's
2130
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:01.720
like you're both kind of doing your same thing and
2131
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.239
who gets the best time or whatever. I think it
2132
01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:06.159
was either was it Wes and Underwood or it might
2133
01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.760
have been Wes and Dusty or someone like that, or
2134
01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:11.760
Underwood someone else, but justice for Matt Rife, and I
2135
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.760
think that, Look, I think we should start talking about
2136
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:16.359
Matt Riff maybe being on the Hall of Fame ballot
2137
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:21.359
next year. I'm just saying, I look, okay, but okay,
2138
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:24.319
Chylder wants to know, what about the Universal Theme Park Challenge?
2139
01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:25.960
That's where we're drawing the line, am I right?
2140
01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:27.680
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I.
2141
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:32.000
Mean that was like a commercial come on, yeah, right, challenge.
2142
01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:35.319
I only count Camilla because she's the only one who
2143
01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:39.359
came from that show to do other seasons. And then Susie.
2144
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:42.520
I note that she was a coach on that season,
2145
01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:44.680
but I don't count as a win because she wasn't playing.
2146
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:48.760
But also and that show was only a week long,
2147
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.399
But like I think, for just for the sake of
2148
01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:53.920
Kameela stats, that was her original season, so I do
2149
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:56.039
factor it in for her specifically.
2150
01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:58.359
Did they it was a week long? What did they
2151
01:36:58.399 --> 01:36:59.800
do on this spring break Challenge?
2152
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:00.560
What?
2153
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.239
Like there's seven there were seven teams. Each of them
2154
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:06.199
had a captain that was a challenger. Yes, and so
2155
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.399
then they did dailies like every episode, and then they
2156
01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:11.439
two teams went into each other. And is there a
2157
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.920
place to watch this? I don't think you can watch
2158
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:15.960
it anymore? I think I looked. I don't think you can.
2159
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:21.279
Is this is this? Uh? More episodes.
2160
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:24.720
Introduction? Yeah?
2161
01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:27.279
I get it, I get it? Is this is this more?
2162
01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:31.079
Are there more episodes of this than there were episodes
2163
01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:32.119
of the Challenge?
2164
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:35.359
Uk? I think maybe the same. I think it was
2165
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:37.119
maybe five for both five?
2166
01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:37.760
Yeah.
2167
01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:52.560
Fuck, I don't know. I think that that one's definitely.
2168
01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:53.840
The Uh, that's the lowest for sure.
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01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:56.239
You know, I don't know how much you and there
2170
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:57.800
were eliminations you said.
2171
01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:00.359
It was, yeah, but it was teams eliminations, like a
2172
01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:02.399
team competing against another team. Yeah.
2173
01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:03.560
We got a lot of people who want to know
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01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:07.159
your mount rushmore underrated, overrated, best competitors. Here's what I
2175
01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.920
want to know with all the stats that you've looked at. Okay,
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01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:12.880
I'd love you. This is how I'm gonna frame mix.
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01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:14.520
I think it's an interesting you know, we hear the
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01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:15.680
same names over and over again.
2179
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:17.119
I imagine those are going to be similar.
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01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:17.319
Names for you.
2181
01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:20.840
But who, when you take this added closer look, do
2182
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:26.479
you think are unheralded successful challengers who maybe don't get
2183
01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:28.399
the credit they deserve for whatever reason. You can tell
2184
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:30.079
me why you think that is, But that when you
2185
01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:32.199
look a little deeper and you throw in some of those,
2186
01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:34.199
you know, things on the island that don't show up
2187
01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:36.239
on the stats list or the Champs versus Stars whatever
2188
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.600
sweetens in a little bit. Give me some names that
2189
01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.359
are on maybe not on your mount Rushmore but close
2190
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.159
to it, or in your individual power rankings that listeners
2191
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:45.520
might be surprised by.
2192
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:50.119
Hmm, it's a good one.
2193
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:52.960
Like, while you're doing that, I'll tell you.
2194
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:55.199
John helped me with collecting a lot of data on
2195
01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:57.079
I asked a lot of the people on Patreon who
2196
01:38:57.159 --> 01:38:58.920
they would want to meet at a challenge maaning Alive,
2197
01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:01.000
and he collect did a lot of emails and then
2198
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:03.399
we got over one hundred responses. And the way I
2199
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:04.920
framed it was I was trying to get all the
2200
01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:07.319
obvious answers out of there, and when John gave me
2201
01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:10.319
the data, I basically I said, give me, like, you know,
2202
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.279
what are the headlines? Here are the interesting you wouldn't get, Like, obviously,
2203
01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:15.279
I know everyone wants to be ct and Carmeria, Right,
2204
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:17.439
who are the people that jump off of this thing
2205
01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:19.680
where you're like, oh, they placed higher than you would
2206
01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:21.560
have thought or lower than you would have thought.
2207
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:24.079
And that's really where I thought the usable data was.
2208
01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.600
So take that mentality and apply it to your Challenge stats.
2209
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:34.680
Yeah, I mean, I think someone who goes a little
2210
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:39.600
underappreciated just because I think they their lack of longevity
2211
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:45.319
of the show. But Tory Hall now Tory Gwynn, I think.
2212
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.640
You can meet by the way in Raleigh, North Carolina.
2213
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:50.560
Tickets still available. By the way, for those of you
2214
01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:52.880
guys who missed out on Chicago tickets for the show
2215
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:56.680
GA is still available for October fifth. Tory Hall, CJ. Kogel,
2216
01:39:56.680 --> 01:39:59.920
although that might be changing. Literian Wallace and Big C. T. T.
2217
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:01.800
Cambarello October fifth tickets available.
2218
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:02.800
Challenge many of that live.
2219
01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:07.880
Yeah, yeah, I mean she only did three seasons, but
2220
01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.159
she won two of them, which I think is very impressive.
2221
01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:14.279
I mean, obviously her first was the first one was
2222
01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:16.800
they're both teams. Yes, first one was the Gauntlet three,
2223
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.560
which was the whole big easy collapsing, preventing the Veterans
2224
01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:24.279
from winning, but still win, still win. And then she
2225
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.920
was on cutthroat on the Red Team and she really
2226
01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:30.920
controlled the politics of that team. It might have been
2227
01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:33.560
annoying to watch, it was at times, but she had
2228
01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:36.039
a stranglehold on the politics of that team. She carried
2229
01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:38.600
that team. I mean Brad was doing I mean they
2230
01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:40.479
were married at the time, understand like he was doing
2231
01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:41.520
everything for her benefit.
2232
01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:44.720
She was like the camp. She was like the camp.
2233
01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:48.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was the political master mind of
2234
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:50.960
that season. And I got to the end with the
2235
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:52.760
Red Team and she's the one who got Brad her
2236
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:55.079
won his one and only Challenge championship.
2237
01:40:56.479 --> 01:40:56.720
Yep.
2238
01:40:57.039 --> 01:40:59.119
So yeah, I think I think Tory needs more respect
2239
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:02.159
on her name. Obviously, she's not the most notable toy
2240
01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:04.399
at this point in the Challenge, but I definitely think
2241
01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.880
she deserves her flowers. And then I think Veronica is
2242
01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:11.399
someone who's slept on as a competitor. I know she's
2243
01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:14.279
obviously considered a big character in the history of the Challenge,
2244
01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:17.319
but I mean she was the first person to three
2245
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:23.720
wins her and she also has fifty daily wins, which
2246
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:26.520
I know, like dailies were a lot easier to win
2247
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:27.520
back in the day because like there was a lot
2248
01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:29.000
of big teams. But that speaks to the fact that
2249
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:31.439
she was making it really deep on all of those seasons,
2250
01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.199
like either winning or making it to the final, or
2251
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.000
making it really deep and winning a lot of those
2252
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:38.079
challenges with her teams. I mean, she has fifty daily wins,
2253
01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:40.199
which is the most of any woman. And so I
2254
01:41:40.199 --> 01:41:43.600
think Veronica is someone that you don't just look at
2255
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:45.319
as a as a character, but like she was also
2256
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:48.439
a dominant competitor in those first ten seasons of the Challenge.
2257
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:50.760
Yeah, I think I would say about the survivor thing,
2258
01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:53.000
I think you kind of have to put that lens
2259
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:56.399
on some of those earlier players and their wins and
2260
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.840
their records, but also elevate them because of it in
2261
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:00.760
a way where it's like, hey, that was kind of
2262
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:02.479
the way the game was played in that first third.
2263
01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:05.199
And if you were winning fifty dailies, making it to
2264
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:08.119
the end every time, winning three Childe Championships, does that
2265
01:42:08.279 --> 01:42:11.399
mean that you are, for instance, like the Emily Schrom
2266
01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:13.560
of that era. Maybe not, but it means that you're
2267
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.920
the Michelle Fitzgerald of Survivor of that era, or you're
2268
01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:19.479
you know what I mean, like you're the Sandra of
2269
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:22.960
Survivor of that era, which Sandra is as legendary as
2270
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:23.439
it gets in.
2271
01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:24.159
The Survivor world.
2272
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:25.479
And I think she'd be the first one to tell
2273
01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:27.479
you she I don't think she's ever want a challenge
2274
01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:28.039
in her life.
2275
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:32.319
Yeah, so yeah, Well, I think Ronica has adapted her
2276
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:34.880
game so well now to like where she is pretty
2277
01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:37.319
much only political, but she's great at it. I mean,
2278
01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:39.560
like there's pretty much a move every season that's like
2279
01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:41.880
Bronica is like sitting ature move of the season. Like
2280
01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:44.079
I remember one of the biggest moments for Dirty thirty.
2281
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:46.520
Of Dirty thirty for me was when she like flipped
2282
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.920
the vote to put it on Leroy, when like it
2283
01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:50.600
didn't seem like that was gonna happen at all, Like
2284
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:52.800
she like took that opportunity because like the others like
2285
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:54.680
kind of messed up their vote, and she's like, oh, well,
2286
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:56.600
like now I can get what I want to happen
2287
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.720
happen by doing this. And I think she's super savvy.
2288
01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:01.920
I mean the same thing with like kind of like
2289
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:04.760
going against a rule that we always thought was just
2290
01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:06.640
a rule and that like you're not don't have to
2291
01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:08.479
beat an elimination once you get down to the floor,
2292
01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:09.920
like you can talk to the person and get them
2293
01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:11.600
to change their mind, Like no one else has ever
2294
01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:13.800
even thought of doing that. But Veronica is like so
2295
01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:15.840
savvy to think in the moment like, no, I can
2296
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:18.640
still change this. So I think like she's really adapted
2297
01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:21.640
her game. Yeah, I think Veronic gets super slept on
2298
01:43:22.399 --> 01:43:25.560
and yeah, people just like think she's like old news
2299
01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.279
at this point, but it's like, no, she's like still
2300
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:29.960
very there, like she has tapped in. Like maybe she's
2301
01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:32.640
not like her physical competitive game isn't like where it
2302
01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.039
used to be, but like mentally she's like at the
2303
01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:35.640
top of the pack.
2304
01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:37.720
So, Derek, we got a wrap.
2305
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:40.039
So before we give John the last word to ask
2306
01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:42.399
us whatever he's got, what you got some more notes there?
2307
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:42.640
Yeah?
2308
01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.000
I got, I got a couple more questions. John, Thank
2309
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.359
you so much for being with us for seven years
2310
01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:49.279
and growing with us for seven years and even given
2311
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:52.880
that ultimate challenge radio some love from back in the day.
2312
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:56.079
What have been what have been some of your.
2313
01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:59.720
Favorite podcast episodes over the past seven years that come
2314
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:00.000
to mind?
2315
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:05.760
That's a good one. I remember, I really loved the
2316
01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:10.279
Devin episode after writer dies after his win, like getting
2317
01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:12.600
to hear his story of like just his preparation and
2318
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.079
kind of his evolution of like being a quote unquote
2319
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:18.119
lay up to a challenge champion. I thought was really cool.
2320
01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:25.439
The Julie podcast was wild. That was very entertaining. The
2321
01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.640
Joe the Joe Rhoades. But it's a lot of the
2322
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.800
podcasts with like the long Lost people are really fun,
2323
01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:33.680
especially like people who have like really interesting life stories
2324
01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:38.840
like a Joe Churchelle. I remember the Originallle podcast and
2325
01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:43.359
like her stories of like Leonardo DiCaprio and all that. Yeah,
2326
01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:45.359
so I'd say like the people who have like really
2327
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:48.239
interesting lives outside of the challenge are the ones who
2328
01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:51.359
I always injured enjoy hearing like the Deep Dive interviews with.
2329
01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:56.239
Few more recommendations, Taws some recommendations out there to people that.
2330
01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:02.119
Uh oh of the old podcast, Oh okay, yeah, I
2331
01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:03.840
mean the producer interviews are always a lot of fun,
2332
01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:08.279
or the show runner in John Murray, Julie, Paz Barnas,
2333
01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:14.640
Jim Johnson, and then try it. I know there's more
2334
01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:16.439
of blanking in the moment.
2335
01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:17.920
Ammo was gnarly.
2336
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:19.560
Ammo was a good one for sure.
2337
01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:23.199
Let me ask you real quick while we're on this subject.
2338
01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:25.399
So, you know, we talked about like the glory days
2339
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.119
of Challenge Mania early on, where we had our pick
2340
01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:30.159
of the litter of just like all these people that
2341
01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:33.479
the average Challenge maniac, the average Challenge.
2342
01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:35.840
Fan hadn't heard from an x amount of years. Whoever,
2343
01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:36.640
it was right.
2344
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.159
Like, there were the challengers who were still playing, there
2345
01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.199
were the ones who were like pretty active on social media,
2346
01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:43.399
but for the most part, there wasn't a really like
2347
01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:47.199
long form interview that dated back to these people's inception
2348
01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:50.119
on the real world road rules the Challenge otherwise on
2349
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:54.520
the docket right, certainly not since podcasts became you know,
2350
01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:58.399
the word podcast was entered into the mainstream lexicon. Everyone
2351
01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:00.960
had one click Away on Apple podcast and things like that.
2352
01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:04.159
Derek was doing Ultimate Challenge Radio back in the day.
2353
01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:06.319
He didn't even call it a podcast. Nobody called a
2354
01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:09.079
podcast even though that's what it was. Right, So we
2355
01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:12.119
got to start and while we were also having people
2356
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.880
on who were on Dirty thirty and Vendettas with Derek,
2357
01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:16.720
we were having the Tories and the cars and the
2358
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:20.079
Hunters and the Tony's we could just dig in the well.
2359
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.279
And you know, if we were able to find Landed,
2360
01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:23.880
it would break the internet. If we were able to
2361
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.359
find Alton, it would break the internet, and this and
2362
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:28.800
that and so although there are still some people too
2363
01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:30.720
on Earth and Uncover, and we still again have some
2364
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:32.840
white whales out there, we've still never had Coral, We've
2365
01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:36.000
still never had Evelyn, and there's some people who for
2366
01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:39.560
whatever reason, have decided they don't mess with Challenge Mania
2367
01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:41.439
and I will save you guys the burden of playing
2368
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:45.800
the cliff. There are still a few.
2369
01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:47.159
People that we've never had on.
2370
01:46:47.399 --> 01:46:50.680
However, that being said, we have had the luxury of
2371
01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.000
having almost every person on the show at least once,
2372
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:55.000
some people four, five and six times.
2373
01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:57.359
We toured the country with these people.
2374
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:01.119
A lot of them have their own podcasts, become several
2375
01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:04.840
other podcasts that cover the show, and now today the
2376
01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:07.520
way the show works, it's like an embarrassment of riches
2377
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:11.279
in that every week an episode airs and you've got
2378
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:14.760
multiple podcasts not just breaking down the episode, a lot
2379
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:16.920
of them doing it with the guests you'd want to
2380
01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:19.279
hear from whether they won the elimination, lost the elimination
2381
01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:22.399
or otherwise that person most of the time doing three
2382
01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:25.800
four podcasts along the way in that week or two span.
2383
01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:29.399
I'd love to know for you, you know.
2384
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:32.640
If you have any ideas or thoughts on like.
2385
01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:34.359
And you look your answer could be, guys, you're just
2386
01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:37.119
doing great, just keep doing that. But like, how in
2387
01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.720
this new landscape, how Challenge Mania or any of these
2388
01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:45.399
podcasts can and should separate themselves because there's such an
2389
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:50.279
oversaturation and like every single episode now is being broken
2390
01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:54.159
down like the Suppruder film from everyone involved within an
2391
01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:56.840
hour of it airing. And like, don't get me wrong,
2392
01:47:56.920 --> 01:47:59.279
we love and thank all of you guys who like
2393
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:01.399
to hear Derek his thoughts on it in a vacuum
2394
01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:04.239
on your own and our Challenge Mania patrons and things
2395
01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:06.439
like that. But as far as the guests of it all,
2396
01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:10.199
like we find ourselves constantly like counterprogramming ourselves, Like we'll
2397
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.159
find like we'll book somebody and then we'll find out
2398
01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:13.880
after the fact they're doing two other podcasts and.
2399
01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:15.479
Then we'll go, oh, maybe we don't have them.
2400
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:17.560
Like I guess a simple way to ask is, as
2401
01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:21.600
a listener, would you prefer that Scott and Derek have Okay,
2402
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:23.600
I'm gonna make this up. This isn't what happens, But
2403
01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:27.039
if episode one of season forty, if Brandon ends up
2404
01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:31.039
beating Neamayah in an elimination, would you rather hear Brandon
2405
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:35.319
on Challenge Mania or Neamayah on Challenge Mania the same
2406
01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:39.560
week that he's doing Zach Nichols podcast and Death Tax
2407
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:42.159
and Bananas and the Official Challenge podcast and you get
2408
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:45.279
four interviews with Niamayah or Brandon and otherwise? Or would
2409
01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:47.479
you rather us try to go outside the box and
2410
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:50.039
have someone else from the season who maybe played a
2411
01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:52.079
part in the episode but wasn't like the you know
2412
01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:55.720
whatever are we going and having you know, Derek McCrae
2413
01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:58.000
in the middle of nowhere and it's a non sequitur
2414
01:48:58.039 --> 01:48:58.680
and we save.
2415
01:48:58.520 --> 01:48:59.960
Our thoughts for our Patriot episode.
2416
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.239
Help let's navigate this these very crowded waters that were
2417
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:03.760
in these days.
2418
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:05.279
I'd love to hear your two cents on it, just
2419
01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:06.119
as a listener.
2420
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:20.520
Yeah, yeah, I mean I definitely have noticed that dynamic
2421
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:23.880
as well, especially in the most recent seasons, as more
2422
01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:26.239
and more podcasts come out and like either the person
2423
01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.239
who won the elimination or lots of elimination is almost
2424
01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:31.079
always the guest on all those podcasts for that week,
2425
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:34.880
And Yeah, for me personally, I would be fine hearing
2426
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:37.960
just from someone else on the season and kind of
2427
01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:41.159
getting another perspective on it on what's happening, because it's
2428
01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:43.880
fun to like hear from the other people in the game,
2429
01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.119
like in that time, like what they're thinking, and that
2430
01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:49.039
you get like more perspective on the season by knowing
2431
01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.239
more than just like the perspective of the elimination people.
2432
01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:54.279
And then I think you can always go back, like
2433
01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:56.640
after the season and talk to the people who like
2434
01:49:56.680 --> 01:49:58.640
were eliminated early on that maybe you didn't get to
2435
01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:00.960
talk to in the moment. And as there's been more
2436
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:02.680
separation from the interviews that they did with all the
2437
01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:05.800
other podcasts, you can kind of, yeah, give them more
2438
01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:09.279
shine later on, whereas it might get gets drowned out
2439
01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:11.359
with the Official Challenge and Death Texas Bananas all the
2440
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.039
other podcasts if they're all doing if they're doing all
2441
01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:14.039
of them in the same week.
2442
01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:17.359
Great minds think alike, we often, if left to our devices,
2443
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:20.399
all think of booking the same Yeah.
2444
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:23.279
But yeah, but I feel like we've always attacked it
2445
01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:25.760
in the opposite way, Like we've all we've we've seen
2446
01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:28.000
that happening. The only time we couldn't avoid it was
2447
01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:31.079
during the USA episodes because they would be like, no,
2448
01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:34.079
this is the one person that's doing press with all
2449
01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:36.920
of these people, and we couldn't avoid I remember there
2450
01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:38.680
being times around like Anissa, who you have it on
2451
01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:41.119
this week? Johnny, who you having on this week? Or
2452
01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:42.720
mean and Scott will be like, oh this, Scott will
2453
01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:43.520
be like this person.
2454
01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:44.399
Is going on this week.
2455
01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:46.880
So no, it would be fucking terrible to have the
2456
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:52.800
same person on like USA does for eight different networks, right,
2457
01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:56.399
So I feel like we've always tried to attack it.
2458
01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:58.800
The the app is from the other angle because.
2459
01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:00.880
We see it and like the best I don't want
2460
01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:01.920
to fight for that guest.
2461
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.359
You have them, you have your time with them.
2462
01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:10.000
I also think I also just think interview style wise, again,
2463
01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:12.119
the problem that has sort of come with the way
2464
01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:14.680
everyone does it this way is that and again this
2465
01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:16.800
is why this has never really been our interview style.
2466
01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:20.119
But sometimes you subconsciously just fall into it. Whatever is
2467
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:24.119
I personally love and this look. We've got john A
2468
01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:26.319
so many times that when we have John A, we're
2469
01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:29.199
probably just talking about whatever has happened that season leading.
2470
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:30.039
Up to us having Johnny.
2471
01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:32.520
Fine, but I think the secret sauce for us is
2472
01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:35.359
when we have someone who we've either not had on
2473
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:38.319
in a while, like a Brandon Nelson or have never
2474
01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:43.000
had on. Okay, where we can do our version of
2475
01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:46.239
the Challenge Mania interview, sprinkle in a little bit of
2476
01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:49.079
this season, sprinkle in a little bit of this last episode,
2477
01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:51.640
while not just having it all be about this last
2478
01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:54.479
episode or this even season, because that is what is
2479
01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:57.680
going to closely resemble all the other guys. And I
2480
01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:00.680
think our going back and getting the casting story, getting back,
2481
01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:02.760
getting back to that like thing that.
2482
01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:04.680
Happened on that season that they'd never really answered.
2483
01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:07.239
You know, That's something that I think the other podcast
2484
01:52:07.319 --> 01:52:09.800
some of them do, some of them don't, and some
2485
01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:11.880
of them in the format just doesn't really lend itself to.
2486
01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:13.880
So that's why I think that's kind of the sweet
2487
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:14.399
spot for us.
2488
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:16.960
And again, you do get, you know, a victim of
2489
01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:20.239
your own success and relationship with a certain person. Where again,
2490
01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:22.000
there are certain people who we've had on so many
2491
01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.399
times that we've done all of that so many times,
2492
01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:26.680
and it does make sense to just continue to unravel
2493
01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:30.039
and unpack the same scandal or conversation they're having on
2494
01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:32.920
every other podcast. Last season, we had it where we
2495
01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:34.840
tried to hate We're gonna save Olivia for maybe a
2496
01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:35.279
little later.
2497
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:36.640
We're gonna save and Reache for a little bit.
2498
01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:37.640
Later, and then watch back.
2499
01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:40.880
God bless them, thank them both for saying, hey, you
2500
01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:42.159
know what, I know we said we do it, so
2501
01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:44.159
we'll do it. Because by then they were so fucking
2502
01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.199
over it that we were like unearthing all this stuff
2503
01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:49.439
that they didn't want to talk about anymore. So sometimes
2504
01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:51.920
you kind of again to go back to counterprogramming yourself.
2505
01:52:52.079 --> 01:52:54.199
Sometimes you got to take the easy shot when you can,
2506
01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:57.279
right because you know, the eight foot jumper that everyone
2507
01:52:57.359 --> 01:52:59.199
might be taken. Okay, we're all having to reise the
2508
01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:02.119
week that you wins the nation. Great, that's the easy shot.
2509
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:02.800
We go.
2510
01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:04.800
You know what, never mind, we'll take the half court
2511
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:06.760
shot back at the end of the season where she's
2512
01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:09.199
pissed it, doesn't want to do any more interviews ever again,
2513
01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:10.920
and we got to try to drain that one from
2514
01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:13.000
half court and luckily she allowed us to do so.
2515
01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:14.640
So anyway, keep going, But.
2516
01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:17.920
Going back to just kind of like figuring out ways
2517
01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:20.800
to innovate like we have with with with Challenge Mania,
2518
01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:23.960
whether it's the live shows or the zooms during COVID
2519
01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:26.439
when we couldn't have live shows, or the Hall of
2520
01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:31.399
Fames or the awards or you know, or or sorry
2521
01:53:31.439 --> 01:53:33.600
of pulling the wild card, but yeah.
2522
01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:36.319
You know that the interactivity is always what has separated
2523
01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:38.880
Challenge Mania from all the other podcasts. For sure, of
2524
01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:42.439
the fans actually getting to interact in person or online
2525
01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.079
or on zoom whatever it is like with you guys
2526
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:47.800
with the Challengers, like that is always what has been
2527
01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:50.520
what sets apart Challenge Mania from all the other podcasts.
2528
01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:55.520
And watch out don't tell too many people, but but
2529
01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:58.600
but even here today with you, John, I feel like
2530
01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:02.159
we've taken an extra step and and broken down another wall.
2531
01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:07.760
And that's having a patron on on our video. But
2532
01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:10.640
you know, you know, and and like even you man,
2533
01:54:10.640 --> 01:54:12.960
you're you're you're helping us break down Wallsman, you've been
2534
01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:15.720
with us for seven years and like you know, I
2535
01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:17.880
I can't tell you how much we appreciate that the
2536
01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:19.640
fact that you come to these live shows, that you
2537
01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:23.319
advocate for us and speak positively about us and back
2538
01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:25.479
us up even when we're wrong. You tell us you
2539
01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:27.560
know now, you know you fuck this up and we
2540
01:54:27.640 --> 01:54:29.520
and we take that and acknowledge it and try to
2541
01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:31.720
try to fix. I still think you're wrong about the
2542
01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:34.479
Island things. I hope you rethink that one. And I
2543
01:54:34.520 --> 01:54:36.840
still wonder what what I just still don't know what
2544
01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:40.039
the answer is with the elimination with Derek and Toni
2545
01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:40.479
and Hunter.
2546
01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:42.439
What what does that get categorized?
2547
01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:42.520
That?
2548
01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:46.279
Okay, well, I.
2549
01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:48.399
Think you should maybe go back to the drawing board
2550
01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:49.319
and take a look at that one.
2551
01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:51.600
Maybe re listen to take watch the scene again.
2552
01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:56.479
But donalds up Pandora's box with a lot of uhh yeah,
2553
01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:57.920
what is it called the Purge?
2554
01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:59.840
Is it called the purge? Okay?
2555
01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:02.680
Okay, well the Purge was the final elimination before the
2556
01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:05.279
final where one person wins that two people go home.
2557
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:06.600
And I'm gonna leave it at that, and you do
2558
01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:07.319
what you do want.
2559
01:55:07.479 --> 01:55:09.319
I think you should feel proud of that. You should
2560
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.359
you should consider that as a win for yourself.
2561
01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:12.920
We just had it on All Stars forward.
2562
01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:15.600
That would mean that, to correct me if I'm wrong, Derek,
2563
01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:19.479
Chavez and Laurel get an elimination win, and that would
2564
01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:21.920
have been there only for both of them elimination win
2565
01:55:22.319 --> 01:55:24.760
on a season where I do think looking back on
2566
01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.439
the season, your brain goes, wait a minute, neither of
2567
01:55:27.439 --> 01:55:29.000
them went into an elimination that season.
2568
01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:30.319
So it does kind.
2569
01:55:30.119 --> 01:55:31.880
Of it blur.
2570
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:35.479
Sure, it's it's it's it's a little blurry. But when
2571
01:55:35.520 --> 01:55:38.760
you when you cut through the smoke, it's what it is.
2572
01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:42.479
Sure, you know, two people one, two.
2573
01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:46.319
People two other one person one the other two went home.
2574
01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.159
There's no middle person that survives that and keeps going,
2575
01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:52.840
you know what I mean. So, uh, you know, I
2576
01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:56.439
do think that it does get bullies somewhere and you
2577
01:55:56.439 --> 01:55:58.520
know in some of these things because they make it
2578
01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:00.560
like that. But I think once you cut through it, it.
2579
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:01.079
Is what it is.
2580
01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:05.000
There's a winner a loser, and in the in the
2581
01:56:05.119 --> 01:56:08.199
uh you know, the Island ones, there's someone that actually
2582
01:56:08.720 --> 01:56:10.800
wins more than they lose.
2583
01:56:11.319 --> 01:56:12.159
They won a lot.
2584
01:56:12.039 --> 01:56:14.199
There as you mentioned.
2585
01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:17.199
But yeah, I just want to say thank you again
2586
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:20.199
for uh, you know, being a part of this community,
2587
01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:23.439
advocating for us for all these years. I got a
2588
01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:26.319
question for both of you, what the hell happened to
2589
01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:28.840
the Big Brother live feeds? And this is my last
2590
01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:30.560
question I don't.
2591
01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:35.800
So they made a change this season to where you
2592
01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:38.880
can't go back at all. You can't rewind it all.
2593
01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:41.239
You used to like be able to like rewind and
2594
01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.880
go back and like watch from what from the past.
2595
01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:45.880
And so like a lot of people who like watch
2596
01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:48.479
the feeds regularly or who update the feeds like really
2597
01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:50.640
relied on that future because if they couldn't watch the
2598
01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:52.399
real time, they could go back, like later that day
2599
01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:54.119
or the next day and go back and watch like
2600
01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:56.720
the big moment that happened on the live feeds, Whereas
2601
01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:58.760
now you have to actually be watching it in real time.
2602
01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:01.399
You can't like go back and see what happened before.
2603
01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:03.319
So that was the big change.
2604
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:05.920
Are some people able to with their own technology like
2605
01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:08.119
recording people.
2606
01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:09.119
Are recording it because like clips are getting out there.
2607
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:11.239
It's just going to create a it's just going to
2608
01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:13.199
make it less common.
2609
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:15.880
Who's able to kind of go through this foot because
2610
01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:17.520
I'll tell you right now, I don't know what their
2611
01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:18.880
goal was with this. It might just be like a
2612
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:20.920
database thing and they're trying to save like server space.
2613
01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:21.319
Who knows.
2614
01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:23.479
It might be that they're sick of people trying to
2615
01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.239
cancel people based on that's what it is.
2616
01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:27.399
But here's my thing is that it's not going to
2617
01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:27.840
stop that.
2618
01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.359
It's just going to limit the people who are able
2619
01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:32.520
to find those clips and use them to the people
2620
01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:35.880
who have their own internal technology to do it. Just
2621
01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:38.359
like you know, you can put whatever you want behind
2622
01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:40.640
a paywall, there's going to be some jerk who pays
2623
01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:43.640
and takes it and runs with it whatever. It's just
2624
01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:45.680
like these things that you do to like put up
2625
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:47.680
in place. All it does is make sure it's kind
2626
01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:49.840
of like you know, it's kind of like similar arguments
2627
01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:51.960
people make about like you know, drug control and the
2628
01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:54.560
war on drugs or like or weapons and guns and things.
2629
01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:57.159
And that's like you're just taking it away from the
2630
01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.119
like grandmother who wants saying, oh wait, why did she
2631
01:57:59.159 --> 01:58:01.479
say it again? I want to why that she can't do that.
2632
01:58:01.680 --> 01:58:04.319
But the guy who's literally sitting there looking to cancel
2633
01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:07.039
someone for muttering maybe half the work did they say
2634
01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:07.359
that word?
2635
01:58:07.359 --> 01:58:09.079
I don't know that person's still going to be able
2636
01:58:09.159 --> 01:58:10.920
to do it. So I don't know. Again, I don't
2637
01:58:10.920 --> 01:58:11.720
know if that's the reason or not.
2638
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:13.840
But John, I want you to be able to end
2639
01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:16.319
this podcast if there's a subject or a question you
2640
01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:17.600
have for Derek or myself or anything you.
2641
01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:19.159
Want to talk about before we leave. We got about
2642
01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:20.319
five minutes left Okahead.
2643
01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:23.600
Yeah, yeah, Derek, I wanted to know. I've had this
2644
01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:25.439
question for a while, having gone to ask you so
2645
01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:29.560
specifically on World Championship on Departure to Day you were
2646
01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:32.399
listed on the cast and then obviously you weren't actually
2647
01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:34.079
on that season. And then there's been a few cases
2648
01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:36.479
like that. I remember landing on Final Reckoning, like what's
2649
01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.920
revealed be on the cast Final Wrecking. Obviously wasn't Tory Hall,
2650
01:58:40.079 --> 01:58:42.640
like I mentioned, she was originally listed for Total Madness.
2651
01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:44.760
Wasn't there? So I'm just curious, like in those cases,
2652
01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.560
is that a situation like where you guys are like
2653
01:58:46.760 --> 01:58:49.359
deep in the casting process and then like something happened
2654
01:58:49.359 --> 01:58:51.760
at the last second where you drop out, or like
2655
01:58:52.039 --> 01:58:53.680
is it just like they just got it completely wrong?
2656
01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:54.560
Like how does that work?
2657
01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:58.920
I feel like the spoil whoever the spoilers are, John,
2658
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:04.560
can you still hear us? I feel like, whoever the
2659
01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:10.079
spoilers are, whoever actually has that that breaks through the
2660
01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:16.039
system and is able to read the paperwork. Yeah, probably
2661
01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:21.199
had seen my name somewhere in there, but it wasn't complete,
2662
01:59:21.359 --> 01:59:25.119
like if there were two alternates or or you know,
2663
01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:27.239
two dude alternates and I.
2664
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:28.239
Was maybe the third.
2665
01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:31.560
I didn't know that I was the third for a
2666
01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:33.840
world championship from my recollection.
2667
01:59:34.359 --> 01:59:36.079
Yeah, So what is it like for you? Like when
2668
01:59:36.119 --> 01:59:38.319
you see yourself like on that day being posted on
2669
01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:40.399
this cast thread and you know you're not on the season, Like,
2670
01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:41.000
what is that Like?
2671
01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:43.880
It's funny because I'm like, oh, these people actually get
2672
01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:44.920
things wrong. Yeah.
2673
01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:46.039
Yeah, you know.
2674
01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:49.119
I'm like, I'm like, oh, they're not always right, and
2675
01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:51.800
then the following week someone will get eliminated and they'll.
2676
01:59:51.640 --> 01:59:53.439
Be right back in it.
2677
01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:57.039
But it just proves that, like you know, don't believe
2678
01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:01.680
everything that they say. They do make mistakes, and that's
2679
02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:03.239
kind of how I view it.
2680
02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:06.560
Gotcha, Yeah, I was just always curious about about situations
2681
02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:08.760
like that because they do get like ninety five percent
2682
02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:11.560
of it right. It's just interesting those cases where.
2683
02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:14.960
They were recently wrong about I think they didn't have
2684
02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:17.479
you on one recently where you were on or at
2685
02:00:17.560 --> 02:00:19.359
least for a while, right, like you were late to
2686
02:00:19.439 --> 02:00:20.760
the forty batch.
2687
02:00:20.840 --> 02:00:23.920
Yeah, I don't think people Yeah, they were never rumoring
2688
02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:25.720
that you're on that until you're actually on it.
2689
02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:28.760
You know what, They're never that excited to post anything
2690
02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:31.039
about me anyway, So they probably just said, this is
2691
02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:34.239
the guy we like the least, we're gonna announce him last.
2692
02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:35.760
You're gonna change that on forty D.
2693
02:00:37.479 --> 02:00:38.000
We'll see.
2694
02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:40.399
We'll see, all.
2695
02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:42.800
Right, John, Anything else you got before we go?
2696
02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:48.439
Uh no, I'll just plug my Oh yeah, plug plug plug. Yeah.
2697
02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:50.880
So keep an eye out, especially in the week of
2698
02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:54.199
the premiere. Keep an eye out on on Reddit, I'm
2699
02:00:54.239 --> 02:00:57.680
gonna be posting my stat spreadsheets. I'd love to for
2700
02:00:57.760 --> 02:00:59.640
you guys chip in, like, tell me your thoughts, tell
2701
02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:02.319
me your dis agreements, like Derek has. I'm totally open
2702
02:01:02.600 --> 02:01:04.159
to feedback, constructive feedback.
2703
02:01:05.039 --> 02:01:05.279
Yeah.
2704
02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:07.520
I just want to get this out in the world
2705
02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:11.000
and just like let people debate about it. So keep
2706
02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:12.439
an eye on for that, and then I also be
2707
02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.520
posting it on on Twitter. My Twitter handle X handle
2708
02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:18.199
is hon Jedtles. It's just my name, but I flip
2709
02:01:18.239 --> 02:01:18.800
the H and the J.
2710
02:01:19.960 --> 02:01:22.520
Is there is there any things like, uh, is it
2711
02:01:22.560 --> 02:01:23.800
like this here I'm posting it here?
2712
02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:26.520
Is this is this it? Yeah?
2713
02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:29.319
I mean lowercase but yes, yeah.
2714
02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:35.159
On Jedtles, Yeah, I liked. I liked the just our heads.
2715
02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:37.600
Up my instags heads up. That's that's a pun.
2716
02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:39.800
And then there's the underscore in there, so one right
2717
02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:41.399
heads yea heads underscore up?
2718
02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:43.479
Yeah, John, I like heads up?
2719
02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:47.119
Yeah, I mean I you think I should switch my
2720
02:01:47.359 --> 02:01:49.359
It's certainly better than than han Jedtals.
2721
02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:50.239
I'll tell you that, right.
2722
02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.119
So you look it sounds like, uh, what's it called
2723
02:01:53.119 --> 02:01:56.359
the honey Honey Lounge that I go to and when
2724
02:01:56.359 --> 02:01:59.800
I go visit forty five minutes down the down the way,
2725
02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:01.000
I'm like.
2726
02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:04.079
Honey, honey, jo honeyheadles, honey.
2727
02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:07.560
Jedtle's on factor was a game, honey. I don't know
2728
02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:08.800
if you could still do it. You probably can't.
2729
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:09.960
There's a game you.
2730
02:02:09.920 --> 02:02:11.920
Can play on your cell phone called heads Up. And
2731
02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:14.720
the day I met my wife, we went and outside
2732
02:02:14.720 --> 02:02:16.359
and played heads Up. And there was like a thing
2733
02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:18.279
we used to do for years we stopped doing. Eventually
2734
02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:20.039
on our anniversary would go and play heads Up on
2735
02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:21.239
our phone.
2736
02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:24.279
Yeah, it is a fun game like tapping.
2737
02:02:24.439 --> 02:02:27.159
This is where Wikipedia is wrong too. They don't count
2738
02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:28.479
the mercenary eliminations.
2739
02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:33.720
I know that's I definitely count who updates the challenge wiki.
2740
02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:35.000
Do we know that John John?
2741
02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:37.479
Should? I don't. I don't know them personally. I like
2742
02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:39.600
interacted with them a little bit, but I don't know
2743
02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:43.520
who it actually is. Sure I look on my Instagram,
2744
02:02:43.560 --> 02:02:46.760
I have little anecdote about this. So yeah, my handle's
2745
02:02:46.760 --> 02:02:48.439
on there. You guys please feel free to follow me.
2746
02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:50.199
I think I'm public.
2747
02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:53.439
At h E D D S underscore up for you
2748
02:02:53.439 --> 02:02:54.079
guys listening.
2749
02:02:54.239 --> 02:02:58.239
Yeah, so anyway, Derek has been following me for quite
2750
02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:01.079
some time on Instagram. Likes my post, fully appreciate it.
2751
02:03:01.239 --> 02:03:04.760
Scott and I have been have a very extensive DM
2752
02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:06.600
history on Instagram. Probably are you.
2753
02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:08.319
Gonna follow Shamy? Is that what this is about? To be?
2754
02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:08.680
A follow?
2755
02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:10.399
Your name does not follow me yet?
2756
02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:14.199
As everyone always everyone always gets so as the kids say.
2757
02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:16.199
Who doesn't follow Scott doesn't follow you?
2758
02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:17.119
I just followed me.
2759
02:03:17.399 --> 02:03:20.479
I just followed your back, brother. I mean everyone does it.
2760
02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:23.119
They catch me, they catch me outside. How about that?
2761
02:03:23.479 --> 02:03:25.840
And we're at an after party They're like, you don't
2762
02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:27.880
follow me, follow me, follow men, and then take out
2763
02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:28.479
your phone and follow me.
2764
02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:29.439
They don't want to follow me.
2765
02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:32.199
Then at the next one, next challenge me to live
2766
02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:34.119
someone to be like, how do you follow her? To
2767
02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:35.920
follow me? And I have to be like she cornered
2768
02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:38.319
me and made me follow No, so I just followed
2769
02:03:38.359 --> 02:03:39.359
you your followed.
2770
02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:41.239
I wore the iHeart s Y shirt, so I had
2771
02:03:41.279 --> 02:03:42.119
to balance.
2772
02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:45.319
iHeart hey and you know, and you know, and you
2773
02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:49.359
know what else, like Instagram names become like real names,
2774
02:03:50.199 --> 02:03:53.840
you know, like I like, I know you as John Haddles.
2775
02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:57.920
But heads up is definitely something I hear myself saying
2776
02:03:58.159 --> 02:04:00.880
at a challenge man alive next time I see head's up.
2777
02:04:01.479 --> 02:04:04.399
Yeah, you you especially early on the podcast, remember you
2778
02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:07.000
d you would you would definitely call people by their
2779
02:04:07.359 --> 02:04:09.439
like you know, San Cheesemo this or whatever.
2780
02:04:10.319 --> 02:04:11.039
Yeah.
2781
02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:12.720
And I remember early on.
2782
02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:16.439
There was a lot of you know, especially I think
2783
02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:18.520
as years went on and we started to like meet
2784
02:04:18.520 --> 02:04:20.279
people and know their real names to kind of change.
2785
02:04:20.279 --> 02:04:22.760
But early on, I remember, I think this person is
2786
02:04:22.800 --> 02:04:24.560
like long gone now, but I remember early on someone
2787
02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:27.000
who commented a lot was like spicy Margarita lover or
2788
02:04:27.039 --> 02:04:29.279
something like that. I remember that spicy Marks, I love
2789
02:04:29.359 --> 02:04:31.479
spicy Margs or something, and it's just like.
2790
02:04:31.439 --> 02:04:33.239
You just see, yeah, you just some people you just don't.
2791
02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:34.680
Even know their name, but like you know that their
2792
02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:36.119
their their handle or whatever it is.
2793
02:04:37.560 --> 02:04:40.359
But yeah, like Dave Woods, I don't think woods last name.
2794
02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:41.960
I think it's something it's similar to Woods.
2795
02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:44.479
I won't out him, but uh, you know, but on.
2796
02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:47.359
Twitter he's Woods. Yeah his last name is Woods adjacent
2797
02:04:48.359 --> 02:04:51.319
Dave Woods to me, but uh yeah, a lot of people.
2798
02:04:51.399 --> 02:04:54.000
Uh, fellow patrons, it s good. Doesn't call you back there,
2799
02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:54.920
get on meet the patrons.
2800
02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:56.119
You guys know where.
2801
02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:58.560
First of all, there's two ways you can guilt me
2802
02:04:58.640 --> 02:05:00.760
on meet the patrons or if you catch me and
2803
02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:03.000
to challenge me alive after I've had a couple I
2804
02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:04.079
probably shame me into doing it.
2805
02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:05.279
But I just think of matter.
2806
02:05:05.359 --> 02:05:06.359
I don't follow a lot of people.
2807
02:05:06.399 --> 02:05:08.760
I just think it's funny because we probably have over
2808
02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:10.720
a thousand messages between the two of us.
2809
02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:12.680
Oh well, that's what I mean. It's like, that's even better.
2810
02:05:12.920 --> 02:05:13.520
You trust me?
2811
02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:16.720
You You you should much rather be where you have
2812
02:05:16.760 --> 02:05:18.880
the open line of communication with DM and every day
2813
02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:19.560
rather than.
2814
02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:21.279
Know that I see your dog every day.
2815
02:05:21.359 --> 02:05:26.640
You know what I mean, that's not needed. She he's
2816
02:05:26.640 --> 02:05:27.520
a heat. It's weird.
2817
02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:31.319
It's gott it's not better. It's weird.
2818
02:05:32.399 --> 02:05:34.720
It's weird. It's weird you have.
2819
02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:36.960
A thousand d ms with them but don't follow it.
2820
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:37.479
It's weird.
2821
02:05:37.880 --> 02:05:39.399
I know a lot. There's a lot of people that
2822
02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:43.479
I have, like you know that, that fucking sat guy.
2823
02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:46.520
I have with the opposite where I've I've had conversations
2824
02:05:46.520 --> 02:05:48.439
for years and they don't follow me, you know what
2825
02:05:48.479 --> 02:05:48.760
I mean?
2826
02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:53.800
Like, yeah, we are Facebook friends, but seen.
2827
02:05:53.119 --> 02:05:55.000
That also happened fairly recently.
2828
02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:57.720
That's more of a gateway to my personal life. Okay,
2829
02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:00.279
we gotta let you go at heads up, under at
2830
02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:03.479
heads underscore up on Instagram, at han Jetle's on X
2831
02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:06.840
and Twitter, and keep a look out Reddit and everywhere.
2832
02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:07.840
We're obviously posted.
2833
02:06:07.680 --> 02:06:10.600
On Challenge maniax dot com for his his statuets, and
2834
02:06:11.079 --> 02:06:11.880
I'll give you last work.
2835
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:12.880
What's your dog's name?
2836
02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:20.640
Ringo Wingo? Heads up like the drummer, Yeah.
2837
02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:22.319
Ringo and heads up? Very nice?
2838
02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:25.159
All right, John, We'll talk to you.
2839
02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:27.680
And you got to follow my friend so you're good there.
2840
02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:30.399
He can't wait to watch you on forty. This season
2841
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:31.119
is gonna be awesome.
2842
02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:33.159
It's going to be fucking awesome.
2843
02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:35.840
All right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.
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02:06:36.159 --> 02:06:38.520
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