Ep. 524: Devyn Simone Is Official!

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What's up, everybody. This is Scott Jaeger here with another
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edition of Challenge Mania Live from Gotham Production Studios in
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New York City. This episode is brought to us by
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Challenge Mania Sacramento. On May thirtieth. You can get tickets
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at Challengemania dot Live. My guest here today will be
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at that show. That is why we are formally making
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this episode brought to you by Challenge Mania Sacramento. So
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go to Challenge Mani dot Live. Get tickets to that
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in all of our live shows, but you didn't come
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for me. You came for d Normally that means Derek,
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but today it means the official Challenge Reunion host Devin Simone.
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How are you hi, Scott? Although it's lovely to be
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here with you as well, I'm doing great.
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Yeah, yeah, well you're so classy in the TV bus
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these days, we had to, you know, step up our
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game bringing live and in studio.
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It's great.
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You're only the third person to be in this studio
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with me. The first two were car Maria Yep and
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westn Bergman.
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Oh interesting, okay, so you're in good company. So I'm
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the first non redhead.
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Yeah, that's redhead one natural one I'm pretty sure not natural, you.
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Know, both gorgeous and add it to my stats.
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Yes, speaking of car Maria so and not to plug
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another show. But so next month we're doing for her
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fortieth birthday. We are roastar term forty.
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Yes, she looks twenty like I can't, you know, like seriously,
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I can't even she does not look she looks great.
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I turned forty two, I had forty as well. I'm
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not forty two three as well.
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Well, you do look great because y'all. You know sometimes
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do you wear sunscreen?
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Yeah?
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I see, because you're skined. See, this is why you
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wear sunscreen truly.
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But I also do try to tan a little bit, right,
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I mean.
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You're like laying out in the sun. Don't do that.
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We don't live in any good for your sake, No,
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I know it's not good for your scand but you
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throw on a layer of the you.
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Know, every eighty minutes and the spray one isn't that
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great and it's going into your line.
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I know I have had to have some like what
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did I get done? I got lou Mecha. It's like
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a skin treatment where they like laser off your sun
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sun blotches.
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Oh yeah, not Scott getting like, yeah, I want to.
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I want to a Treatments episode by Scott one day,
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like I want to go through so.
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Car Maria for her fortieth birthday wish. Yes, right, she
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wanted to be roasted.
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I heard about this, So.
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Next month we're roasting her in Boston's. I mentioned this
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to you because I would love to know. Is that
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something you would ever want done to you? Like? Is
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that does that appeal to you?
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I think it would be.
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I mean a day in the life and my family,
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that's basically what it is. I think that would be hilarious.
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So long is at the end I got to roast
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everyone else?
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Well that's ye, yes, of course you get the big
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robust set at the end.
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Yeah, I'm about it.
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Yeah, game, what's cool about a roast? They're actually they're
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roasting Kevin Hart on Netflix I think in a few weeks.
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Yeah.
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So that and by the way, I encourage anyone who
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is potentially well that's okay. I encourage anyone's potentially coming
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to City Winery in Boston on May twenty third, or
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going to listen to it or watch after the fact
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to as a preamble, watch the Kevin Hart roast, so
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they know what they're getting in.
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They should also really watch who was it the Tom Brady?
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Oh yeah, that one was very.
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Get in there with the Brady roast or the slew
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of Comedy Central Roads. Yes, yeah, because a roast like
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nothing's really off limits.
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That's the point right Earlier you asked if I would
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want to roast, and I said, it's literally every like
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my mother would roast me, my father roast me. My
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dad once called me a sit down comedian like he
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he and this is as a kid. He once was like, ah,
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I had a performance coming up in school or someone.
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He's like, let me get my bag at tomatoes ready.
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Now. My parents love me, but that is normal culture.
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When I was killed, call them snaps. Do you remember snaps.
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There's to be a book of snaps. There were just
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like Yo Mama jokes.
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I remember, I remember that. Didn't Wilmer Valdorama have like
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a Yo Mama show?
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Was on MTV? Yeah, made TV Rest in Peace Now
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that was the glory days of MTV. It was it
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was on every day and they would take people and
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Wilmer Valdorama, God bless him, would be like, we've got
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this person from Echo Park and this person from Gino
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and they're representing the I don't.
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Remember what happened on the show. I just remember the name.
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I really tell your mama jokes. It was competitive. Your
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mama banters. Yeah, but no, I mean so so.
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You're right, but good good on Car for having a
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sense of humor to do that. I think it'll be hilarious.
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The last person we roasted was Cyrus. Okay, who you're
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going to see? Yes? And Sacramento.
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Ye.
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We roasted Cyrus and we had Tech Holmes was there cool.
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I used to have such a crush on Tech when
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I was a kid who didn't right. I feel like
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Tech was like the man. And Cyrus was the first
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person to tell me I changed my hair right after
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my Real World season and Cyrus the first time I
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met him. There's actually I think a picture of us
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all together and Cyrus was like, you fed up because
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I like went blonde, and He's like, nobody will recognize
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you from the show. You'll never like amount to anything. Basically,
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I mean he was looking he was looking out for me.
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But I just that was like my first interaction with Cyrus.
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What I love about Cyrus and Cyrus has been on
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reality TV since nineteen ninety six. Wow, according to him,
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he's the first black reality star.
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Have we fact checked that might be true?
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In fact, we did, and in fact falls uh. It
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was a great joke that we so the night or
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the night before the roast, we kind of were workshopping
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jokes and we were laughing our asses off on the
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couch because we looked up all the black realty stars.
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Was the first?
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Heather be Uh was on Real World one, Roman was
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on Yeah, David, and.
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Tammy's still trekking along. Shout out to Tammy.
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Let's be honest. Look, he was on Real World season six,
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so he was one of Sure, okay, but what's so
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Tech does this joke where he's like he's like he's like,
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Cyrus calls himself the first black reality star, which is
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true if you don't count, and he just named all.
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Of them like that would be that's actually but no.
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So so we're we're roast and Carmerian. So you would
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at some point if someone brought this to you, you
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would be a fan. I'm it's not for everybody.
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Oh yeah, no, I'm good like because look, I mean.
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I don't want to I don't want to throw Hi
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under the bus, but Derek Kaczinski does not want to
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be roasted.
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Really.
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I pitched it to him for our Chicago event this
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summer and he said no. He just unapologetically.
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I mean, look, I got interesting, Like, I can get it.
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I can get that it's not But I think, you know,
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if you don't take yourself so seriously like I don't know,
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I think it can be fun. But I also think
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it can be fun when you're fairly confident in your
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ability to roast back, Like I went to the school
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of reading and I don't mean term for it, and
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so I am quite confident in my ability to roast back.
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So sure, come at me, because then that just means yeah,
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then we can you know.
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So we have this show coming up Sacramento, May thirtieth, Yes,
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say still get tickets Challenge Mania di Live. I mentioned
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Cyrus is going to be there. We've got Yes, Stuffy's
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going to be there, Mark Long, Darrell Taylor. But this
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show is very special. This weekend is very special for
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a plethora of reasons, A couple of big reasons, one
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of which is another one of our guests is your
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podcast co host, Yes Davon Rogers.
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Yes, we got her out of the house. Yes, well,
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you guys know how big of a deal it is.
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Scott was worried, and let me just glaify this.
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I will be worried until I see her in person
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the day before. Okay, so hopefully it happens, but no,
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so correct me if I'm wrong. You guys longtime partners
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on the podcast, have you ever been live on stage
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together in.
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Tandem on a stage you guys.
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Heard the host thing for forty that was really right.
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On stage together?
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No? Together, obviously, you know we're real life front We've
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hung out, certainly, but on stage together, No, we did. So.
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We met actually on the unaired edition of the Universal
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MTV Challenge that I hosted, So we we that's where
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we first met. And there is a picture I think
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floating around somewhere. And actually one of the pictures that
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I think I sent you from press is from shooting
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that and it never made aired.
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All right, we're gonna talk about that after this real
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quick though. So about Sacramento. So Davon's going to be there,
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your first time formally on a stage with her for
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the fans to get Obviously, the full story of the
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Official Challenge podcast. When just to see your guys' charisma. Finally,
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chemistry in person. The second reason though, when people don't
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know this, we're breaking this news here live on the podcast.
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So the day before we are going to be and
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we've done this many times, we're actually doing it. Next
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week in Saint Louis, were throwing out the first pitch
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at the a's game. They're playing the New York Yankees.
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But in addition, someone is going to be singing the
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national anthem. As you know, every baseball game, most sporting
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events begin with the national anthem. Everybody stands up, cut
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the close ups of the player's summer, get in teary eye,
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sometimes planes fly over, and the person singing the national
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anthem at that game, May twenty ninth is none other
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than Daveon Rogers.
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She just doesn't know it yet. Yeah, no, it's me
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and I am stoked.
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I have to say thank you, Scott because that was
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a bucket list item and so yeah, we will.
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And you're ready to do it. I'm right, I saw
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your video.
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You saw the video, but look, I will forever be
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my own worst critic, and so am I scared.
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Shitlests the answer is yes, but yeah, no, I'm super soaked.
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I'm excited and so so you sent these videos because
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for those of you guys who don't know this, when
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you mean, I don't know if every team does this,
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but this is what the A's do. They said, we
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just need to see a video for doing because I
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think they don't want anyone who's like laughably.
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Bad and they don't want to roam bar.
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Sure, they don't want to rose amb bar. They don't
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want to. There was someone last year who did the
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All Star Game who had to like formally apologize and
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then like went to rehab or something like that. Yeah,
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and she was a celebrity.
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She was, but.
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There's Fergie. But then there was a newish Fergi. It
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was it was I think the home run Derby twenty
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twenty four or five, and it was like, yeah, it
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was it was pretty bad. But then she mentioned she
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probably like a substance is probably, So I'm hope she's
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doing great.
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Oh you know, I do feel like I kind of
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reader that.
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Yeah, And and I will say, it's not like a
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first pitch where I've had formally the teams tell you
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they go, hey, look they go if you want to
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go viral. They go, really, just do not throw a
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good pitch, because you know what never goes. You know
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what you never lands on your desk is oh, look
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at fifty cent throwing a perfect strike. No he cares
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when fifty chuck said, all the way to the left
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and it's embarrassing. That's when you get millions, and then
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I have to tell them, I go, you also have
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to be a certain level of famous for that to
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be funny. If you're just you know, random podcaster or
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random reality star, you could throw the worst pitch in
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the world to people. Was like, all right, next, But anyway,
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they don't do that with the national anthem. The national
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anthem is sacred. They want to make sure you at
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least take it seriously, and you in fact took I
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mean you had a live performance and you performed. I
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didn't know you were such a singer. So tell us
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about this singing, whether it's a passion or it's sort
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of a hobby or career. I mean, because you're you're
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better at it than I even thought you would be.
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You'll actually remember that in my Real World season, I
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had an audition for a Broadway show, and I got
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lost in the Lincoln Tunnel on the way to sit audition,
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and it was oh no, no, I got lost in the
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Holland Tunnel and it was it was the audition was
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in Manhattan.
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I was already in Manhattan.
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But I ended up going to Jersey and coming back,
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so I was late predation, whole mess. So I went,
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you know, I love music. I've always loved music, so
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I was a kid. I used to write songs when
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I was a kid. I actually performed while in my
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real world season at Brooklyn at CMJ Music Festival and
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I wrote I also wrapped. Then it's on YouTube still
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and uh yeah, I love music. And then you know,
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life gets busy and things happen. And i'd actually made
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a promise to myself a few years ago that I
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would pick up music lessons again because I missed it.
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it like my therapy, and so every week I go
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and I go on this we actually go to a recording studio.
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I'm pretty sure I saw one of the Jonas brothers
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the other day in this like going into the same studio.
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He looked exactly like how you imagine which one? Yeah,
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so he walked past me. It took me a second
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to register because I was like looking for something and
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I heard these heels because he was wearing like like
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rock or high hill boots, you know what I mean,
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like like that like stiletto but you know, like you know,
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like normal people boots don't really make noise right, like flat,
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but like so yeah, so but like the cool like
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the cool edgy boots.
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It was.
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It was Joe, Joe, Joe Joe.
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It was definitely Joe, and so it was it was
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I like when I heard it and I just kind
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of looked over because it's not like huge. He had
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on the leather jacket and the hair like cut, and
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he was with an entourage too, and it's a proper
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recording studio. And then I was like, wait, I'm pretty sure,
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like I can just I was like, I'm pretty sure
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that was.
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Just ironically, He's singing the national anthem this weekend at
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WrestleMania is bring it full Circle?
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Okay, so maybe I should listen for inp.
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Maybe that's what he was Maybe he was going to
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send in his.
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Tape for that, right, because they were like, we got.
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To check, we need to have your audit. But no.
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What's cool also is that you're you're a big sports
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fan as well, right, And so I I always get bewildered.
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We go to a lot of these games and mileage
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varias online how much it means to the cast members
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of like to just even be at the stadiums or
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whether it's throw the first pitch or do the national anthem.
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We've never done the national anthem. You're the first person
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at least with us from the challenge. I do know
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Aza who is on Child USA and she was on
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Big Brother. She did it I think at a Packers
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game this past season, So shouts to Aza. But you're
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at least the first person for us to ever do
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it and at a baseball game, So I mean you're
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in verified air.
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Yeah, that's amazing and it's not lost on me. And
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I'm I really am so excited. And if you want
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to see how nervous I am, I'm actually recording so
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I have my new Shawn Amazon. That's every Friday at
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date with Devin from three to four every Friday. I
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actually will still be doing it while there, so I'll
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be doing one on the road, so you'll get to
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see me in the hours or the lead up and
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basically see how love that terrified I am just before
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we actually go and.
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Again we we're blessed that we get to do all
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this cool stuff. First pitches and stuff that's right and
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going wrong. People are paying attention during the first pitch,
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but the national anthem people everyone is like by I
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think literally if you're like not paying attention, like the
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beer guy will be like, hey, off your phone, Hey.
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Yeah off, you know, yeah, people are listening.
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I was. We're very exciting.
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What I'm most.
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Nervous about, to be honest, is like, look, I've sung
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the national anthem and I used to sing it at
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my high school all the games all the time.
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They just keep asking me to do it.
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But there is a difference in singing in a stadium
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versus singing even in you know, an arena, Like basically
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because it's there's no roof, the acoustics are different, and
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that's the part that's I'm obviously.
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Gonna get more information. It's more inside baseball, no pun
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intended stuff. But I'm sure I'll find out. Is there
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gonna be maybe a little rehearsal or run through your monitors?
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Are I gotta I also got to pick out what
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I'm gonna where. It's got to be like you know,
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like team and sporty, but it still got to be me.
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I don't know, We're gonna figure it out, Scott, but
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it's gonna be you.
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Know, it's gonna be Adam's.
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So Adam was fully play on coming. But Adam has
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a lot going on this year. We have the World Cup.
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So Adam he works at Fanatics and he does all
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this really cool like just really cool creative marketing campaigns
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and things and all that you already know. But because
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the World Cup's happening, there's another Fanatics vest bigger than
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ever that's happening. Wow, there's a lot of some other
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stuff with players happening that he just it's like back
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to back and I think his travel starts soon and
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it was on the docket from to go, but I
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think he actually maybe out of town.
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I know, I know.
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He's probably on pins and needles now because his Phoenix
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Suns are one game away from elimination or first round,
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the eighth seed. We'll see.
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Yeah, he was.
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He was in his jersey watching. We were both watching
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very intently the game the other night. Unfortunately Portland eked
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out a win in overtime.
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Yeah, but and.
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Now they just have to get through Steph Curry and
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the Warriors. I believe, who's going to be no offense?
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Who is going to be rooting for the Suns in
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that game? Uh?
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Me?
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I know, you guys stick together.
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I believe it's like, I mean, how many more Steph
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curR moments does America have?
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Steph is great, but no, we are we are. We
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are sons.
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Okay, hopefully maybe plans change and he can join us,
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but either way we'll get we'll get it well captured. Well,
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he knows. I'm a big Steve Nash guy. I grew
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up worshiping Sir Charles, as did he. For those guys
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who don't know her husband. At their wedding, his suit
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was lined with half Steve Nash jersey and.
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Half autographed, like an autographed Steve Nash on one side
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and an autographed Charles Barkley.
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Is that is some pretty legit fandom there. I gotta say,
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he is a fanatic, so he works at.
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The right place, works at the right It is the
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perfect job for him, and shout out to him. He
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just won another Creative Award for an ad campaign they
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did last year. He's really super talented.
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Yeah, we're actually sadly going to miss Fanatics Fest ironically
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because that weekend we will be in Chicago doing the
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first pitch with the Cubs. That's Very's going to be
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doing that. So uh yeah, we're hopping around and stuff
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like that. So you guys join us May the thirtieth,
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Sacramento Davon and Devin first time together ever to challenge
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me alive. Yeah. The d's okay, and the d's are nuts, okay,
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so come see D's nuts okay. Yeah, Cyrus I just
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added as well, who I just he's someone who has
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been part of the MTV world, Like I said, for now,
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it's two thousand.
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Well, he's the first black reality star.
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If you don't count thirteen, he is. But no, but
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he has literally in two thousand and six, So thirty
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years ago this guy has been on TV.
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Wait, yeah, two and six was twenty years ago.
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What I'm saying nineteen ninety six? Yeah, so now we're
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twenty twenty six. Yeah, so he's been on TV for
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thirty years so now formally so last year we celebrated
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the thirty year anniversary of Road Rules. Mark Long debut
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in ninety five, Boston was ninety six. Yeah. Yeah. One
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of his castmates, by the way, is now the Secretary
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of Transportation. Are you a wear of that?
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Gross?
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You didn't know this?
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No, I knew that. I know that he was, but
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I didn't know what show he was on to know
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he exists.
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But yeah, yeah, yeah, he started on Real World and
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now he is literally responsible for the road Rule.
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And nobody ever thought that Real World was responsible people,
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So how the hell he ended up there should tell
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you all you.
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Need to know.
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Dude. It would be like having Puck be like the
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Secretary of State.
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Probably better.
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So Cyrus, Mark, Yes, Durrell, Davon, Devin Sacramento. It laughs unlimited.
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I'm sure we will have unlimited laughs and people should
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get to take as challenge MANI at dot Live. Okay,
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here's what I want to ask you. What is part
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of your reality TV diet these days? As far as
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television viewing.
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M reality TV love love on the spectrum, love it
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I think it's the most beautiful, heartwarming show you know
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what else in reality TV. I feel like the Brits
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have just done it so well. I get emotional watching
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their shows. Okay, so look, get a VPN, all right,
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I use surf Shark. This isn't a paid endorsement. But
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and then I set it on my Apple TV, so
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I switch up the location. You know, if you ask
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chat GBT, they'll take you how to do it and
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then you can get access to the British shows.
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Right.
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So they have a show called Hunted. It is even
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better than Traders in my opinion, I want to be
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on it so bad, Like I Adrian said she'd be
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my partner on it. Adrian from season forty one. And
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so basically they have like these MI six think like
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CIA people at this headquarters and they're tracking down quote
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unquote fugitives. Now the fugitives are just contestants in pairs
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of two. It could be like mother daughter, it could
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be a husband wife, it could be besties, whatever. And
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they have twenty one days that they have to go
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on the run in the UK and not be caught.
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They can go anywhere, but the six team is tracking
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their like location using CCTV. They're like going to family
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member's house being like, is so and so here. If
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you make it to the end and get to the
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extraction point, you win. I think they're one hundred thousand
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dollars or your share of it. I'm telling you the
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last season when the ending happens. Every time I watch it,
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I start, I like get emotional and I don't know
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these people, but it's so good. They also have a
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show called Secret Genius, and I have discovered that yes
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I am in fact borderline of Secret Genius according to
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the show, but you.
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Can play along.
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It's hilarious and they like take all these really smart
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people and then put them in competitions to each other,
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and then it's actually would be good for any future
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challengers to watch because of the puzzles are really good
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at getting your brain to like think outside of the box.
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These might end up at one point becoming like watered
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down US versions of these shows, because like that's how
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Traders started.
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Right right, Well, that was like a I think a
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Danish show initially lay the.
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Circle started a broad like a lot of this start
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as I think even trying to think what was it? Uh,
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it was an amazing rep but I know, like weakest Link,
494
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we tried to steal Millionaire. I think we stole you know,
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so we're constantly steal You're right, the Brits.
496
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Do kind of ritz something.
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Now. I do think American Traders is better I will
498
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say that than the UK one. Yeah, I like American
499
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Traders better. But although the UK Celebrity Traders, which they
500
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just did was very funny and the guy who wins
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that is the host of or co host of Secret
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Genius and on the un Show.
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Do you so it's funny because it sounds like, so
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you think US version is better than UK verge? Do
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you think that that is because you appreciate the aspect
506
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of the personalities from different worlds of entertainment, reality, et cetera.
507
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Playing because a lot of people like the game when
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it's pure when like, for instance, you mentioned Celebrity UK,
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that's different because that's kind of like their version of
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US Traders.
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Look, the first season of UK Traders pissed me off
512
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so bad because I hate when people are allowed. And
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I'm working on it in therapy to understand why it
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bothers me so much, because it really shouldn't but it does.
515
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And so when people get to the end and they're
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like it has to be and so and so, because
517
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I'm like so smart. But mind you, they haven't gotten
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a single vote right the whole time, and they don't
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realize they're just coasting and manage it's the end.
520
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It irks nerves.
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And in the UK it happens in most seasons, but
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in the UK one season one, Oh my god, I
523
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just wanted to there's just oh, they just are nos.
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It does have good moments when normies play, as they
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call them. But I think America season one with Siri,
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I think that was legendary. The way she pulled that
527
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off was just mind blowing. I think Phaedra's reads at
528
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the round table were like brilliant. I think that's what's
529
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missing in a lot of the normy versions. It's not
530
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so much that I like the reality show people who
531
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have big personalities, because sometimes they're just dumb and annoying, right,
532
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But but your ability to I just like a good
533
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reader and like sometimes when you get a moment to read. Also,
534
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in the last season, there is a scene with like
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three of the housewives, right, so it's like Caroline stan
536
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Berry and Lisa, Renna and I think Candice or something,
537
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and they go and they like murder one of the
538
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women I don't say who, and the person getting murdered
539
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was like, you bitch, and then the other person back
540
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was like sorry, and then the person getting murdered was like,
541
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I'll see you at Bravo Khan, and then the other
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person back was like, no, you won't. And it was
543
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just so eversless but so stupid and hilarious.
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As the outdoor one.
545
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Yeah, you don't get that with like.
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You know so, I mean, first of all, it sounds like,
547
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so you have a VPN blocker to get even more
548
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reality shows that we can't even watch them. So it
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sounds like you have a healthy do so do you
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watch the Housewives too? Do? Are you?
551
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I do watch the Housewives. I watched Housewives.
552
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Well, I'm friends with one of the housewives, and I
553
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do watch not all of them, not you know, religious.
554
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I watch Atlanta. I watch I'm friends with Jessel on
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New York. She's the Housewives New York, the New iteration.
556
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I been watching the Rhode Island and the one Yeah
557
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.759
they just debuted, and Real Housewives of London. The casting
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over there interesting. They did not come to play they did,
559
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in fact do the thing on Real Housewives of London wild.
560
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It was wild.
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I always just to use Rhode Island. It would be
562
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like the joke. I would say, like, you know, you know,
563
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it's gone too long when there's like Real World Providence
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or like or Real Housewives of.
565
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And now they're really there is a real just debute.
566
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Now they all look alike and I mean, you'll see
567
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what I mean they do. But they counted the gatehot.
568
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One of them's husband was having a fair. Now he
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claims it's done and not like a rumored affair. He
570
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.759
was having a fair, but he let the girl, the
571
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mistress take pictures on his lap and he's smiling at
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the camera. Well, then she posted it online like it's
573
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and then Bravo keeps showing us the picture, which is
574
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shady in and of itself. Anyway, it's very messy and
575
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it's funny.
576
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.920
So with all the stuff that you do, because you're
577
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you're constantly, like you said, today, you're doing a Today
578
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Show hit.
579
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I was on Today's Show. I'll be on Today's Show
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again next week.
581
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Amazon.
582
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I'm on Amazon every week. Yeah, Well I have my
583
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.440
show a Date with Devin that I produce and like
584
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all the things, do all the things for host audio,
585
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blah blah blah. It's a one man band.
586
00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:55.759
Yeah, So I ask you this because sounds like Okay,
587
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so you're still very much enveloped in the reality TV
588
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you like, you like the world. Obviously you work in
589
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.279
the world, you work in TV, et cetera. But you're
590
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.000
so busy you're still finding time for other shows, and
591
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you were covering the Challenge professionally up until recently. Yet
592
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.400
to be seen whether you'll be hosting the reunion for
593
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forty two or forty three, hopefully you are. The podcast
594
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.480
is behind you now, though. Where do you think though
595
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now the Challenge MTV? Obviously Real World, but that's been
596
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.680
gone for a while fits into the reality landscape now
597
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.759
because obviously you're a part of it, right, But like
598
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.319
all those other shows, like the way you lit up
599
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when you were talking about those shows from the UK, right,
600
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the way that you know, I see people get so
601
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.359
interested in the idea of Traders and who's going to
602
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.599
be on Traders and things like that, Where do you
603
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:41.799
think the Challenge is now? When it comes to look,
604
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.039
it's been on for going on forty two seasons, right,
605
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.880
it's hard to reinvent the world the Wheel forty two times. Yeah,
606
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.480
but we're what's your checking the pull? So this this
607
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.960
world that you love and know so well.
608
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.319
I mean, it's it's mixed feelings. I like, I stand
609
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by that. I think both real world road Rules and
610
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The Challenge are the and I will correct someone in
611
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:08.160
a heartbeat, are the ogs and pave the way for
612
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:12.079
so many reality shows that we have today. And I
613
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mean even when I see talking heads and housewives, I go, well,
614
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that's real world, right, like when I see these like
615
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.079
little moments or these little things happen.
616
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So I think it's iconic in that way.
617
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.359
I think it's heartbreaking that MTV's got Like I struggle
618
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.839
with big change like that, especially if great things, So
619
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it's heartbreaking to see it kind of go where it has.
620
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But I'm grateful that we had it. I think season
621
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forty one, to me, showed that the Challenge has a
622
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.039
lot of life left. I thought that season was excellent.
623
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.200
I thought it was so good. I thought the cast
624
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.480
was good. I thought it was interesting, and props to
625
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.039
the producers for coming up because it is it's hard
626
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.880
to reinvent the Wheel, and some people who continue watching
627
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.960
or watching because it's comfort food and so there's certain
628
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.119
things they like, so you can't really, you know, change it.
629
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.359
But at the same time, I do think pulling inspiration
630
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from some of these other shows as possible. I think
631
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:04.599
it comes down to the network. And I've said it before,
632
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.839
and you know, I saw on Reddit. I think some
633
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.759
people were like, oh, she's saying that, you know, things
634
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.160
are changing and the Challenge just because they ended the podcast.
635
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.799
And it's like, no, I'm saying that as a business
636
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.400
woman who's on the backside of this, who sees things
637
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.559
and talks to people and knows patterns and who's been
638
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.039
in this industry for a very long time.
639
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And and you.
640
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Know, I think it's a disservice to all of the
641
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.000
hard people, both cast and crew who work in the Challenge.
642
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.880
When you have an amazing season airing and yet they're
643
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:35.480
promoing Survivor on you know, Challenge Socials or whatever else,
644
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.599
it's like the network just kind of stops caring. And
645
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.880
hopefully that changes. But I think it's I think it's iconic.
646
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.279
I do think it's also hard to get back to
647
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.480
what it was because it doesn't have the resources it did.
648
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.519
And I don't mean financially, I mean it you know,
649
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:52.799
Real World was a feeder show, and Real World had
650
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.799
its own rules for how it would cast people for it,
651
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.279
and so then that made Well, it doesn't have that now,
652
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.039
so it's got to kind of adapt and do and
653
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.000
find And I think making it forty one now forty
654
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.880
two seasons, not including spin offs is just regardless of
655
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.000
what happens, is exceptional. But I certainly hope that it,
656
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.680
you know, continues to go and grow, and I hope
657
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:17.160
that all the people up the wheel don't fall asleep.
658
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.799
But you know, but if for some reason it were
659
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.279
to end today, be so grateful and appreciative of what
660
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we had.
661
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.039
Taking away, like the iconography of like the MTV logo
662
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.920
and like that's where it started. Just like logistically though,
663
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.359
you're you're someone who you like. Just in a day,
664
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.599
you do the Today Show, which still Arizon terrestrial TV channel.
665
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:36.440
Is it four seven?
666
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.640
You know, it depends on what city it's it's NBA.
667
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.559
See, most people who are watching that are watching it
668
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.799
on the TV and they're living, ye, the same way
669
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.119
people watch it for forty years. Yeah, whereas then you're
670
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.640
going on Amazon Prime. People are watching on life.
671
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.880
Yeah, and so now it's on your so my Date
672
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.880
with Devin's show. It's actually a big deal and an
673
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.359
honor to be one of the few selected to do that.
674
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.039
So my show now that I do every Friday, you
675
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.759
can watch it online on your phone or smart device,
676
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.759
but you can also watch it on their linear channel
677
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.599
on TV, so it airs every Friday live and you
678
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:06.400
can still talk to me through it. You can chat
679
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.839
with me through it in real time see the craziness
680
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.519
that happens. But if you open the Prime Video app
681
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.359
and click Live channels and then click the Amazon Live channel,
682
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.640
you will go there. If you have a Buyer TV stick,
683
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.599
if you have Prime Video App, if you have the
684
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.160
Samsung TV. They just launched on those, so it's free
685
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.319
and you can go and watch the show every Friday
686
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.599
from three to four.
687
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.640
So you have your foot in both of these pools simultaneously, right,
688
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.079
And I just get so frustrated when, like, for instance,
689
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.559
this next season, it hasn't been announced officially, but most
690
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.279
people think it's gonna be on Paramount Plus.
691
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:35.960
That's what I've heard.
692
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.000
And every time either as season's on Paramount Plus or MTV,
693
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.240
it's like split down the middle. The people who are
694
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.839
annoyed that they now have to pay fifteen dollars for
695
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.839
Paramount plus or have to pay and get cable to
696
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.759
watch it on MTV or whatever it is. And it's
697
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.960
like and it's so split down the middle, whereas like
698
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.519
as just consumers now, I don't know why, know why
699
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.039
everyone can just understand that this is where it's going, right,
700
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.240
it's all like app based, streaming based, et ceter. You
701
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.079
still have your Today Shows and things like that that
702
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.680
you can watch on a traditional television, but that how
703
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.160
much do you think this this stuff really matters to
704
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.359
a show like in Transition or a show that has
705
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.119
such a long legacy making its way onto streaming, Like
706
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.319
do you really do you think that there's a potential
707
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.599
that they'll lose a large percentage of the audience that
708
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.799
are just stubborn and don't either want to have one
709
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.440
streamer or add a six that they already subscribe to
710
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.079
the other ones.
711
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.400
Well, it's interesting because it's like I think the you know,
712
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.279
when Netflix came about, it came out to like disrupt
713
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:30.920
cable and blah blah blah, but they didn't actually have
714
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.680
a plan, and so no one did, and they still
715
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:35.359
kind of don't not just them, but all of these
716
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.920
other networks. So we've seen in real time. We've been
717
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.799
a part of this sort of experiment. And the you
718
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.920
know they're divesting, as I've said before, the you know,
719
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.759
sky Dance whatever is divesting from MTV, they're going to
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00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.119
hold the channel. My prediction is they're going to hold
721
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.920
the channel for legacy purposes, meaning they're not lettlessly gonna
722
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:58.720
give it away right now. It'll be like a bunch
723
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.640
of reruns. But they're going to try and push people
724
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.119
to streaming because they have better control of that. And
725
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.039
then I do think that eventually some of the streamers
726
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.640
will continue to merge because they'll realize people will get
727
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.000
fed up having six or seven. And so I mean
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00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.319
even if you go now you notice, oh wait, Hulu's
729
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.039
airing Bravo shows you know or like, and that's not
730
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.880
the same network like ABC an ABC or.
731
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:25.480
Is thought to buy HBO hboo or whatever it's called.
732
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.359
Yes, which we should fully be a monopoly, and it
733
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:28.359
is problematic, but.
734
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:36.559
Yeah, so so I think it's better for it to
735
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.960
be on them. Putting forty one on just on MTV
736
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.480
I think was a mistake. I think it should have,
737
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:43.920
at the very least have been on both.
738
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.039
That's the weird thing. They've never been able to do.
739
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.559
I don't know why Survivor has it down and it's
740
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.640
the same company, So explain. I want someone to explain
741
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.799
to me why, like I'm five, why Survivor can air
742
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.759
on CBS and then not go right onto Paramount Plus.
743
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.559
But the next morning you wake up if you missed
744
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:00.559
it on one's that you can watch.
745
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.319
NBC does that for Brava, for Our Housewives.
746
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.079
All everyone does it for everything except that.
747
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:06.319
Because they don't. They don't.
748
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.039
They don't, they don't care. MTV is like the red
749
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.160
headed step child. They don't care. And it's not just
750
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.039
MTV that that companies doing that. Paramount's doing that with
751
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.519
even like Nickelodeon. So we have a lot of cartoons
752
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.200
on in our house for our dog, for the Yeah,
753
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.079
for Hudson, although I've kind of come to like them too,
754
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.559
shout out to Phineas and Ferb like, I think it's great.
755
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.599
Kiff is also great. You know the Greens, what is
756
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.039
it the I can't think the green. Yeah, anyway, the
757
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:36.319
Greens they're all good. So yeah, it's they'll have like,
758
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.319
well those are actually Disney cartoons because Nick cartoons.
759
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.839
This is why Nickelodeon cartoons.
760
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.599
They'll literally run a marathon of SpongeBob for like two
761
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.920
weeks straight, to the point that I was like, wait,
762
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.279
is this like a fluke or like a huh No,
763
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.000
it's just SpongeBob all day, every day on Nickelodeon. Does
764
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.000
it not like yet, like right where it's like, at
765
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.920
least Disney all the cartoons I just named I liked,
766
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.720
I could have that on the day. They'll play reruns
767
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.880
of course, but they're at least mixing it up and
768
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.000
showing different things. And so yeah, I think those channels
769
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.039
are just legacy channels right now. And look, anything I'm
770
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.319
saying to you can switch because I don't think any
771
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.240
of them definitively know anyway, Like I think the people
772
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.640
in charge are truly figuring it out based I mean,
773
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.279
look at what we saw with that merger. And then
774
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.119
I feel like this topic is probably getting boring to people.
775
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.720
But the merger where it was like Warner Brothers was
776
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.200
gonna buy Netflix or like whatever, right, Netflix gonna buy
777
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.680
Warner Brothers, and then and they had even turned down
778
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.200
sky Dance and sky Dance basically plus stowing chief. They
779
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.359
basically was like, no, you're not gonna do that, and
780
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.240
then look at where we are now.
781
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.880
Pay that Netflix is actually gonna make three believe three
782
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.599
billion dollars for not.
783
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:51.039
Getting Yeah, come out look aank god good. So yeah,
784
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:52.559
it's just it's all a bit of a mess. So
785
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.240
I try to just look at the here and now
786
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.160
and the moments and the things that come because as
787
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.599
someone who loves CV not only as a viewer, but
788
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.039
I actually love it as an art. To me, it
789
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.279
is an art. And I don't mean like, oh, reality
790
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.640
TV fakeness. I just mean like I appreciate what the
791
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.559
audio guys do. I appreciate what the producers have to
792
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.039
think of. I appreciate how the marketing all of it.
793
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.039
And so it's sort of heartbreaking to see it in
794
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.719
sech a disarray. So I think that's why I watch
795
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.599
British shows because then they they pop out. Also, they
796
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.079
air shows, not new episodes, once a week literally they
797
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.400
will their season of Traders. They announced it like January
798
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.920
first this year the great their hosts shout out to
799
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.880
Claudia love her. It was like January twenty third, They're like,
800
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.760
thank you for watching this season of The Traders, I
801
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.480
was like, wait, what do.
802
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:38.360
You what do you mean?
803
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.639
It's because they aired all the episodes between January first
804
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.639
and January twenty third. They just knocked those bad boys out.
805
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.079
They're not trying to keep you for long.
806
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:49.559
I do think there's a happy middle with that, Like
807
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.280
I don't think that the shows that drop all of
808
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:53.239
them on the same day.
809
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.119
Yeah, no, they don't do that, but they'll just be like,
810
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.760
basically it's like Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at six is
811
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.320
what ever?
812
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.119
And so then everybody watches.
813
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.000
Traders is a good thing. The US Traders where they'll
814
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.559
drop three night one yes, and then like this year's
815
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.920
and I think the Challenge might want to do that
816
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:10.639
for the next season. I think they should play around
817
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.360
with more things like that. I always thought that the
818
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.480
reason they didn't go the next day was some sort
819
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.000
of like archaic contract with the advertisers or something where like, hey,
820
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.559
if they're going to tell PEPSI you got to pay,
821
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.599
you know, fifty million dollars to run a spot on
822
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.599
the Wednesday night show, then you got to promise them
823
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:25.760
you're not putting it up on you.
824
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.480
So all the other networks, they do it, no, I
825
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:30.639
get I get it.
826
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.360
So it's weird that the challenge is like the one
827
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.639
holdover from that because I do think that flexibility would help.
828
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.320
I do think, for instance, when they go to Paramount Plus,
829
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.280
I don't think they should be dropping these episodes at
830
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.519
midnight or three am like they do with All Stars.
831
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.119
They should hold them and put them at eight or
832
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.960
nine PM like Primetime like Traders does, right.
833
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.599
I know, I think like if they're doing it right
834
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:51.920
after so I'm trying to think about Housewives when they
835
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.079
do it, I feel like it's pretty much immediately. I
836
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.719
feel like it used to be a day.
837
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.639
But I'm saying, like, for instance, like the first run
838
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.559
of season forty two, yeah, when they debut the episodes,
839
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.599
the way they would debut the All Stars on is
840
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.320
it would go up at like you know, three h
841
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.119
three am yes, or Eastern Yeah, And so the real
842
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.360
super fans that have watched it and already screen grabbed
843
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.320
it and put it on on Twitter by ten am,
844
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.320
and then like normal people would maybe get to it
845
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.679
later and whatever. But there wasn't like the communal element
846
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.280
of like watching and live tweeting and stuff. But Traders
847
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.280
still manages to have that because they put it up
848
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.840
at nine pm on Thursdays, even though it just goes
849
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.199
magically shows up sort of like how Game of Thrones
850
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.360
goes on on HBO.
851
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.880
At it's still in one central place, right, it's not
852
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.239
it's not at a because they're not airing Traders in
853
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.119
real time on network TV.
854
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.039
Yeah, but I'm saying, pick a time we can all
855
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.320
actually sit down and watch it and not some weird
856
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.000
three AM right, you know.
857
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:46.960
I mean I think I feel like the forty two,
858
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.880
if they're putting it exclusively on on the.
859
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.079
All Stars, was exclusively on Paramount.
860
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.599
Yeah, I know, because they.
861
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.400
Well maybe they wanted that to fail. Who knows.
862
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.960
Conspiracy, who knows.
863
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.079
Let's go to your podcasting experience, so you know, it's
864
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.480
it's hopefully maybe not permanently behind you, who knows, So
865
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:04.199
they're going to be.
866
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.840
Maybe saying I never know where I'll pop up.
867
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.480
But so what like now that it's sort of behind you, ish, Yeah,
868
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.840
you know, what would you say you took from that?
869
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.199
Because like obviously you've been doing after shows and things
870
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.119
like that for a while, you do, you know, you've
871
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:18.320
always had like one foot in the in the challenge, bocket.
872
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.559
You've always like, you know, but but having to interview
873
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.679
a different cast member every week is like a thing.
874
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.960
You know, what would you learn from it?
875
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.519
How well? I started in radio before I ever did TV.
876
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.320
I was in radio.
877
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.679
I co hosted a team radio talk shown Kansas City
878
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.679
on Hot one O three FM, and then became the
879
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.559
moderator of that. So this very much felt like that.
880
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.440
I loved it. I loved all of my co hosts.
881
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:42.039
You know.
882
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.280
It was fun working together, and it was fun sharpening
883
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.320
those skills. I love getting to interact with the cast
884
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.119
and see them in a different light in that way
885
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.159
and connect with them. So I very much, you know,
886
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.320
miss that, like it was a part of It was
887
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.199
a part of some big moments, Like I was recording
888
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.199
that when I was in Miami shooting a show for
889
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.280
Roke Who a couple of years ago.
890
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.280
I was recording that.
891
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.039
Basically right after got engaged, I recorded and had to
892
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.920
record an episode, you know, like two hours before we
893
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.840
were gonna have to put my dog down. Shout out
894
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.360
to Brooklyn. I think I mentioned it in an episode,
895
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.960
like you can hear me basically crying. That episode we
896
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.559
won an award for Best podcast from the Reality TV Awards.
897
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.599
It was such a it was so wonderful billboards and
898
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.320
Time Square. Billboards and Times Square. Yeah, and it's really
899
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.519
just a beautiful It just feels like a gift. I
900
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.079
just take everything as a gift because things can change,
901
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.079
and they do change, and so any job that I
902
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.800
hold and do, I'm I'm borderline paranoid about it, but
903
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.119
not in a sense of resistance, but more in a
904
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.559
sense of like tomorrow it could be like, well, that's done.
905
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.079
And so I just feel so honored to have been
906
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.159
able to be a part of such an iconic show
907
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.559
for so many years without hurting my knees. You know,
908
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:01.000
They've MTV has brought me on in diffferent iterations. I
909
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.360
think I'm probably the only one who's gotten to do
910
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.480
all of these different things, whether it's hosting the Universal Challenge,
911
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.239
you know, I got to be the TJ of that,
912
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.440
to after shows, to commercials. I did commercials for Spies,
913
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.960
Lies and Allies. Actually still have a leather jacket from
914
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.639
that shoot that they gifted me to doing aftermaths, you know,
915
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.800
and that were a YouTube exclusive to then that were
916
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.360
on paramount to the podcast to season forty to reunion host.
917
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.960
It's just all been such a gift.
918
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.119
Yeah, it's interesting because so you're I'm not then to
919
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.480
thinking about it. You're the Davon Obviously it was All Stars,
920
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.719
and it was towards the end of the run, but
921
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.079
like you're technically the only official Challenge podcast host that
922
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.280
did not partake in the challenge at all during your
923
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:50.880
hosting tenure. Obviously, you know, Aniss Sentauri were very much
924
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.760
close to the shows that they were covering, Davon not
925
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.280
so much. But then All Stars, would you know, got
926
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.119
back in there a little bit, so like, you know,
927
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.119
to be able to be able to cover it, you know,
928
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.480
stay plugged in, be a part of the world, but
929
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.000
not have the like, oh man, this person I just
930
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.719
you know, asked a tough question to I gotta go
931
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.119
play with her next month. You know that separation is
932
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.239
probably a little bit more liberating than I mean, I.
933
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.079
Think so, But I also feel like I'd like to
934
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:21.280
think that I'd still operate the same one because I
935
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:22.920
want to know the answer she was like everybody else,
936
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.840
But two, because I always believe one, I kind of
937
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.360
don't have much of a filter, and then two, I mean, yeah,
938
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.280
I mean if you look, if you look closely at
939
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.199
the play half a million and a half years ago
940
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.360
when I did Free Agents, there were times I came
941
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.679
after people, or disagreed with people, or had to vote
942
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.280
people in and then they still didn't vote for me
943
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.760
in the end, you know what I mean, or whatever,
944
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.400
we talk about it. So so I like to think
945
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.719
that while I understand it probably was a balance and
946
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.440
harder for my co host, for sure, I'd like to
947
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.920
think that even if I was competing, and to be clear,
948
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:01.079
throughout my tenure hosting the podcast, there were certainly conversations
949
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.480
and thoughts about going back, a couple considerations, a couple
950
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:10.679
close calls, a couple contracts since then to decide ultimately no,
951
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:12.679
not like not the move to do?
952
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.400
What do you learn about the fan base from being
953
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.119
the face of a talk show, for being responsible for
954
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.440
some of these clips that would go around subject matters
955
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.559
passed around, things like that because you know you guys,
956
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.559
you know, I wonder I don't know how much you
957
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.480
interacted with the engagement things like that. But you know,
958
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.400
I'm on Reddit. I read the Twitter right you are?
959
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.039
You are on Reddit? So so did it give you? Now?
960
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.559
Being so and like you've always again done the aftermass
961
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.360
and things like that, but doing it every week and
962
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.360
being so closely tied to a lot of like you know,
963
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.760
whether it's people on your show saying stuff or maybe
964
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.280
stuff that you brought out. And I know there were
965
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:48.639
a couple of guests where you guys would get to
966
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.519
accuse of me, maybe be a little too tough on
967
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.440
them or whatever it was, or people would say no
968
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.039
or they would cancel on your last We had.
969
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:54.639
A couple of runners.
970
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.960
Yeah, did it teach you anything about as we call them,
971
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.239
the Challenge Mania, the world, the real super fans out there.
972
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.519
It taught me that the Challenge many acts overall, is
973
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.199
like one of the best communities ever. And I'm not
974
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:18.119
just saying that because I'm here, like I love you guys,
975
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.119
like I ride for the Challenge super fans because I
976
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.039
feel I feel their love and the way they ride
977
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.920
for me. And even if we don't always agree, even
978
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.639
if some people think, you know, I'm not a good
979
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.880
player or annoying or whatever, sometimes I will downvote those
980
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.159
comments on REDDA if you just won't know, and I
981
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.159
try to upvote any of the comments that I see
982
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.079
where people are super nice and supportive or sometimes I'll
983
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.239
comment back, but in general, like just the love that's felt,
984
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.159
it is, it's not lost in me and the reunion,
985
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.079
and especially because Reality TV can be brutal, like we
986
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.960
see the comments some of our faves, not just on
987
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.320
the Challenge but other shows. Anytime you open up your life,
988
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.199
your personality, and particularly right now where there's a lot
989
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.960
going on in the world, and I think for a
990
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.920
lot of us there's feelings of angst and uncertain and
991
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.559
for some of us there's not a clear healthy outlet
992
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.280
to express said angst and uncertainty, so we direct it
993
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.440
at the first thing we see, like the people competing
994
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.639
and doing whatever show or doing the thing and so
995
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:13.679
and so you see a lot of that.
996
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:14.440
And even when I was.
997
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.480
On Real World a million years ago, I remember some
998
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.119
of the like mean messages that people would tweet, Like
999
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:20.480
it got to a point I'd tell my mom to
1000
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.840
get off of Twitter because of the things people would
1001
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.719
say that were just like racist and mean and just
1002
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.480
really horrible. So to see the way I have felt
1003
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.559
protected in recent years or really embraced from the community,
1004
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:37.599
and when I got the role of the host for
1005
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.400
the reunion, collectively, like I think nine nine point nine
1006
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.559
nine nine nine nine percent of the comments were so supportive,
1007
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.400
so positive, and it felt like a win for all
1008
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.840
of us. It is that is so special in reality TV.
1009
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:50.920
It is not lost in me, will never be lost
1010
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.320
on me, and I genuinely appreciate every single person I've
1011
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.679
met and haven't met who have verbalized sent good wishes,
1012
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.679
were like hope for the best in supporting me and
1013
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.079
my nonsense, like truly and I and that's not something
1014
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.679
you see on a lot of reality shows, well.
1015
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.440
Even the Challenge, I will say there, if they can
1016
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.679
be a fickle bunch, they can be hard to please. Yeah,
1017
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.599
I love you guys, but you can be hard to please.
1018
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.280
So to have like a you know, unanimous approval rating
1019
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.679
like you did when you got you know, announced as
1020
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.719
the host, I think that that is an example of
1021
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.480
one thing that serves the fans, because I do think
1022
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.639
something that they got frustrated with over time was, you know,
1023
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.679
especially when you were putting in time doing stuff like
1024
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:34.719
the after shows and the podcasts and things, and they
1025
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.840
would bring in like and I know Maria me Nunas
1026
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.480
did like the last few and she is kind of
1027
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.920
an og host and Chussea Maria me Nunas and she's great,
1028
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.079
but you know, at a certain point it does feel
1029
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:44.840
like the same thing over and over again. And in
1030
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.000
between her, they would bring in you know, random basketball player,
1031
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.719
random football player. And don't get me wrong, like Nate Burleson,
1032
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.559
love the guy. He's gone on to do great things
1033
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:55.480
and he was a fan of the show. Not talking
1034
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.079
about him, but like you know, like Dolf Ziggler, the
1035
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.679
wrestler hosted one and I remember I I saw him
1036
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.000
at a thing and I was like so excited to
1037
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:03.280
talk to him about it, and I was like, I
1038
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:04.599
was like, dude, I didn't know you like the challenge.
1039
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:06.000
He was like, oh, dude, I've never seen it. I
1040
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.400
watched it on the flight on the way there, like
1041
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.480
MS got me the gig or whatever, and like that's
1042
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:10.960
what they were for a little bit there. They were
1043
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.639
going for okay, star power, let's you know, put some
1044
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.920
celebrities and that fans don't like that.
1045
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.239
You know, well it's also dumb. It's also harder on
1046
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.159
the production crew. Like just to be clear, and you
1047
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.199
know this just as a host, but like when hosting
1048
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.199
the reunion like that, there is so much that goes
1049
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.199
on behind the scenes and prep to make it good
1050
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:35.039
like Maria makes it look easy. There are so many
1051
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.599
layers of things that you are if to be good
1052
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.480
at it, that you have to navigate. And so for
1053
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.320
someone who it's one thing to host a red carpet,
1054
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.639
it's one thing to host maybe with one guest or two,
1055
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.639
it is a whole other thing to host with twenty
1056
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.079
big personalities on stage, voices in your ear cameras, look
1057
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.840
at points to hit, questions to ask, and then with
1058
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.679
the thought process, one would hope of the fans, Like
1059
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.800
I came in with questions my first production call. I
1060
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.360
was like, Okay, I like, can I ask them add
1061
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.320
some questions because I've always said if I got this gig,
1062
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.760
like I'm going to bring the viewers along with me
1063
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.159
in terms of wanting to try and ask the things
1064
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:13.239
that I see them talking about or that they want
1065
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.960
to know. And production was couldn't have asked for a
1066
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.800
better team, Like they were amazing. They like just they
1067
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.360
liked they were just like full, like they didn't give pushback,
1068
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.400
full reign, like they allowed me to answert my questions
1069
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.760
or even certain questions where I was like hmm, nobody
1070
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.519
really cares about that or like they like they were
1071
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.880
just such a wonderfully supportive team. It couldn't have it
1072
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:34.440
was if I died the next day, I would have
1073
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.960
been like great chat, Like take me up good. This
1074
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.280
is amazing. But it's incredibly hard. And so when you
1075
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.920
have someone who doesn't who doesn't have those skills, all
1076
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:46.360
those skills, and it's just it's a disservice to the viewers,
1077
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.519
it's a disservice to production.
1078
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.039
It's a disservice you have a host who doesn't know
1079
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.280
like what the fans want or like, you know, what
1080
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.960
services the show, Like you're never gonna sure you could
1081
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.440
tell them in their ear what to say, yeah, and
1082
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:56.880
they can read.
1083
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:58.960
You know, who's not a proper interviewer because you also
1084
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.719
need to be listening in real time.
1085
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.159
Swaggy P I think his name is It was a
1086
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.400
basketball player is and Vernon Davis and these were all
1087
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.559
guys who I think we're maybe trying to transition into
1088
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.840
TV hosting roles or however landed on you know whomever
1089
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.599
at MTV's desk to decide this, which just like I
1090
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.039
just think that there have to be better gigs to test.
1091
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.159
Your Yeah, that's not the one.
1092
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.320
That's something that's been on for forty me.
1093
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.519
Trying to figure out if I should maybe, you know,
1094
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.559
I don't know, become a uber driver. You're not gonna
1095
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.320
throw me into NASCAR, like, that's not.
1096
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.639
I hosted a couple of these conventions for this long
1097
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.119
running Australia by the way, shouts to Australia, I know
1098
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.800
you know the country. Well, yeah, no, it was a
1099
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.039
it is a dare I say, It's not like I
1100
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.880
would call it a lesbian prison drama. It's sort of
1101
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.840
like a it is a well, I mean, in prison,
1102
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.440
a lot of whether you go in or come out
1103
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:51.639
a lot.
1104
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.559
I'm so lost where I was scrolling.
1105
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.280
I hosted this convention for a show called Wentworth Okay.
1106
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.159
And Wentworth is a lesbian prison drama.
1107
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.920
It's like Orange is New Black, except it's more drama
1108
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.360
than comedy. It's on Netflix and it is a huge
1109
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.400
show in Australia and around the world actually and here
1110
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.760
in the US because it went on Netflix and so
1111
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.360
and it's been on maybe four or five seasons. It's
1112
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.679
off the air now. But a friend of mine who
1113
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.599
was hosting and still does, puts on these Wentworth Cons.
1114
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.719
They're like little mini comic cons, and for the first
1115
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.199
few of them, she brought me in as the moderator
1116
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.280
because she saw me from Challenge Mania. She goes, oh,
1117
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.519
you'd be good at this, okay, And I did my research,
1118
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.119
you know, I watched many episodes. I'm gonna I watched everyone,
1119
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.880
but I watched a lot of premieres and finales and
1120
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.360
did the whole Wikibia deep dive and thought I did
1121
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.599
a good enough job, but like there was always something
1122
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.079
I could always tell that the people there just like
1123
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:47.320
didn't buy me as being you know, authentically as invested
1124
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.199
as they were. And like, eventually she replaced me, and
1125
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:51.960
I think the girl that she replaced me with is
1126
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.679
still there and great and I'm there. I wish them
1127
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.079
the best, but like, yeah, I agree, you know what
1128
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.199
I mean, Like, you know, I'm happy to like take
1129
00:48:58.239 --> 00:48:59.880
a gig and everything like that. And I did my
1130
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.519
the best of Yes, such I could do, you know
1131
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:04.400
what I mean, But I just didn't, like, I just
1132
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.000
didn't feel authentic to the material. You know, I could
1133
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.400
I could do a thirty minute, you know, interview with
1134
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.960
a you know, actress, and and to be honest with you,
1135
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.199
most of the time, I just take the questions from
1136
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.599
the audience. But for whatever reason, they could just they
1137
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.559
could just feel it on me. Yeah, like I don't
1138
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:19.440
believe that this guy goes home and just you know,
1139
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.960
watches four episodes that wentworth and doghmoun I didn't, you
1140
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.440
know what I mean? And that's the thing. It's like,
1141
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.239
you can you can tell when not only I mean
1142
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.320
you obviously still watch the show, but you were literally
1143
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:30.400
on the show as well.
1144
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:30.800
Yeah.
1145
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:36.480
But that authenticity and that interest and that natural, you know, inquisitiveness, I.
1146
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.119
Think, Yeah, I'm nosy by default.
1147
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.880
I do think that the cast and they said have
1148
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.880
felt connected to me in the fact that there's an
1149
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.079
empathy that I can. I do have an advantage because
1150
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.719
I have been there, even if it was many years ago.
1151
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.800
I understand what some of those stresses, and I've been
1152
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.840
there and have been there for a long time, right,
1153
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:56.760
so I can understand the difference of how you feel
1154
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.000
week one versus week seven, and like all of these
1155
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.079
kind of different things. And then I think that coupled
1156
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.360
with you know, I'm not officially a journalist, and I'll
1157
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.880
never take that away from proper journalists, but for many
1158
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.039
years now I've been working also in a journalistic space,
1159
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.400
starting with Wendy Williams, like one of the best to
1160
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.679
do it, who is a proper was a proper you know,
1161
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.480
I haven't talked to Wendy in a very long time.
1162
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.519
I do hear we live near each other, which is amazing. Yeah,
1163
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.119
she's had some health stuff, you know. I had reached
1164
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.800
out to her niece, you know, i'd been and I'm
1165
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.079
still in touch with a lot of her, like you
1166
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.320
know what was her close crew. But I love Wendy
1167
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.079
and I learned a lot from her, and so I
1168
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.679
think there's also that which is like not being afraid
1169
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.440
to ask the subject like hold the feet to the fire,
1170
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.760
and then of course doing the research stuff. But also
1171
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.760
I think for any show, you know, or anything that
1172
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.760
you're doing, like when we do Amazon Live, so I
1173
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.639
get to interview cool people sometimes with Amazon, right, so
1174
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.239
you know, whether it be like Dolly Parton or they
1175
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.880
just had a new show come out called The CEO
1176
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.400
Club and it had people like Winnie Harlow and it's
1177
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.440
produced by Serena Williams, and and so like doing a
1178
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.679
deep dive on social or what people are saying, like
1179
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.119
just helps give you a sense of kind of like
1180
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.559
what's going on and helps you become a fan or
1181
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.760
a fanatic of whatever you're doing.
1182
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:13.960
I do think that do.
1183
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.320
You think the challenge gods as we call them, so
1184
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.639
the producers, whether it's the people on the ground, the
1185
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.480
field producers, or the big wigs who make the decisions
1186
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.440
and maybe don't go as much but kind of decide
1187
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.679
who's on the show. Do you think they know what
1188
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.960
the challenge fan base wants and do you think they
1189
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.760
just don't care or or do you think they do
1190
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:35.239
service the fans enough.
1191
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.760
Look, I think that there are so many tiers of
1192
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.880
people who work on that show, and I think the
1193
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.599
people that are really on the ground in it love
1194
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.880
it just as much as we do. Like they're in
1195
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.400
They're dedicated, They've dedicated so much of their lives to it.
1196
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.039
I think there was a tier above that, and I certainly,
1197
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:56.079
again you know, appreciate them for all the opportunities because
1198
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.639
there had to be yes is for all the place
1199
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.280
that I got in. But I do think there were
1200
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.119
some that maybe or resistant to change, And then I
1201
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:03.320
think there's a tier above that that get to be
1202
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.559
the shot callers that are a little more removed than
1203
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:07.960
in the streets, you know what I mean. And they're
1204
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.599
juggling not just the Challenge, but they're assigned to all
1205
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:12.239
MTV programming or whatever.
1206
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.599
And I think that's where it gets lost.
1207
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.360
And now a lot of that team, from my understanding,
1208
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.800
has been moved, shifted, resigned, let go, like all of
1209
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.239
these different things. And so it's really like the substitute
1210
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.159
teacher coming in probably making the shots, and that's probably
1211
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:33.440
a cross networks. And so now I don't know how
1212
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.840
much they're connected to the Voice, because I think there's
1213
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.559
likely some bigger game plan with the new owners of
1214
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.320
Paramounts and all of that, and that you know, for
1215
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.760
whatever reason, the Challenge is like low on their totable.
1216
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.280
You really need someone high up that's equally passionate about
1217
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.920
the project. Like we've heard stories that I think even
1218
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.360
Real Housewives. Part of the reason Andy Cohen's and executive
1219
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.400
produs on it is because when the show came, he
1220
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.039
wasn't astily working in that role at he was at Bravo,
1221
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:02.800
but like wasn't that role. But he's one of the
1222
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.480
ones that like pushed to be like no, no, no,
1223
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.519
this is something great, Like let's make it happen, you know,
1224
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.760
like you need the person for so many of our
1225
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.639
favorite shows we watch is because there were there were
1226
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.079
likely executives saying eh, and there was someone in the
1227
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.039
room being like I bet my money on this, like
1228
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.639
let's make it happen. And you need that kind of
1229
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:24.800
every step of the way to get it going. And
1230
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.480
I feel like the challenge has certainly I know it's
1231
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.199
lost some of those people because some of those people
1232
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.239
I know and are near and dear to me. But
1233
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.199
my guess is it may have lost many, most, if
1234
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:37.199
not all, of those people.
1235
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.320
Let's do some rapid fire ish style questions. Okay, so
1236
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.360
who do you think is the single best casting decision
1237
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.280
they have made for the show since your time? So
1238
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.360
sort of a newer cast member.
1239
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.679
I mean, my time was so long ago, old Hill, So.
1240
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.239
Let's say last five years? How about that?
1241
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.280
And also, my memory doesn't work like you used to.
1242
00:53:58.360 --> 00:53:59.719
I was out late in a science.
1243
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:09.400
Single best how about we just go? I mean it's
1244
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:12.119
so hard because they're so there really are so many
1245
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.599
great people, Like if we're saying since my time, like
1246
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.559
when I was looking at the cast for this season,
1247
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.360
even I was just like, wow, I think there's only
1248
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.440
two people on the roster that I've competed with or
1249
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.320
something that's on the cast for the season which is
1250
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.000
just before that, there was always a handful of people
1251
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.960
that I had competed with at some point, So that
1252
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:35.519
was kind of crazy. How about we just go from.
1253
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.360
Because there's someone that jumps off the screen and you go, oh,
1254
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.719
that person could have been on Real World Brooklyn.
1255
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.079
Or Okay, I like this take that has like the
1256
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.360
personality to really I think Cedric could have been on
1257
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.400
Real World. Brook could have been on Real World, like
1258
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:45.840
a real World.
1259
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:47.920
And so, by the way, I'm not now saying the
1260
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:49.320
singular best.
1261
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.000
I'm saying people who I think have if they want
1262
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.679
to go far in reality TV, they have the depth
1263
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:55.920
and the range to do so.
1264
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.400
Well because it's real I'm starting from forty one and going.
1265
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:04.960
Back because because he's he's interesting, he does things that
1266
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.239
are unexpected, you know what I mean. Like, there's a
1267
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.000
lot of there's a lot there that I think could
1268
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:14.639
like pop off. Obviously, I think, you know, we've seen
1269
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.960
so much of Olivia and how she's like changed and gone,
1270
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:18.559
Like I think she could bring a lot to a
1271
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.880
lot of other shows and I'm I'm inevitably going to
1272
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.079
forget some people as like my mind goes. But I
1273
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.719
think there are a lot of really great people that
1274
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.920
are that are talented, that could have because I think
1275
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.199
I did say this in one of the podcasts that like,
1276
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.679
it's one thing to be cast on a show where
1277
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.079
you're just competing. It's another thing to be cast on
1278
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:45.119
a show where you are the interest piece, like a
1279
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.079
Real World right, Like there was no built in mechanical
1280
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.599
thing of like this is why you're watching every week
1281
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.559
to see if you gets eliminated. It literally was these
1282
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.079
are the people we picked, We're just gonna follow them
1283
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:01.519
for a few months. I remember, I will never forget
1284
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.119
I'm eating a yogurt. Why are you watching me eat
1285
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:07.039
a dan? And there's nothing exciting about it? And and
1286
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:08.840
you know, reality TV has changed a lot now. It
1287
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:14.920
is certainly some shows are more heavily produced and producers
1288
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.280
are involved. I'm not speaking nessily of competition shows, but
1289
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:21.239
of lifestyle shows that we know and love and watch
1290
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.119
or definitely have more producer involvement than Real World. Real
1291
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.280
World was literally like k go and you just would
1292
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.119
live your life and that was like the real It
1293
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.320
was the real story. So I think it says a
1294
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.119
lot for someone to have whatever it is to be
1295
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.800
cast in that. I you know, I think Davon could
1296
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.760
have easily, like easily, and that's obviously more than five
1297
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:43.519
years ago, but easily, I think she could have.
1298
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:46.559
Yeah, I don't know.
1299
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:49.239
I'm I'm sleeping on a lot of people because my
1300
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.000
brain's like only half there. But yeah, there's a lot
1301
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.480
of great cast And I think that's why I was
1302
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:57.079
so excited about forty one, because I think everybody was there,
1303
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.760
even when I was sad to watch some of the
1304
00:56:58.760 --> 00:56:59.960
ogs get eliminated early.
1305
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:02.679
Everybody there like had.
1306
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.920
A place in a moment and brought a thing and
1307
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.760
like I wouldn't have I literally wouldn't have changed anything
1308
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.239
because I was like, oh my gosh, this is so riveting. Right,
1309
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:13.840
Like even the people you maybe didn't root for it
1310
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.840
didn't lie like it just they needed to be there.
1311
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:20.079
What did you think of the Nannisan says, We called
1312
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.400
it Nanni getting back, getting her groove back.
1313
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.960
If you will, I love seeing Nanni win.
1314
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.199
I love seeing Nanni win just no matter what, Like
1315
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:28.679
I'll always have a soft spot for Nanni.
1316
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.360
We did compete together she's with a few people.
1317
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.440
We did both seasons together, and you know, I think
1318
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.480
she does have such a like a pure heart like
1319
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.280
at her core. I will always root for non. I
1320
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:41.280
may not always agree with whatever she's doing the moment,
1321
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:42.920
but I will always root for Non.
1322
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.880
How did you guys on the show cover that whole
1323
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.320
blow up with her and Anissa and things like that?
1324
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:49.719
Did you guys have to dive into that?
1325
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:56.920
So we didn't have her on the podcast specifically, but
1326
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.440
we talked about it at the reunion, and I feel
1327
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:02.280
like she got to say her piece. And again as
1328
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.360
a host, as a moderator, as of whatever, it's my job,
1329
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.559
regardless of how I feel about something in a moment,
1330
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.199
is to give space to the other person telling their story.
1331
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.599
It's literally not about me what I think, what a feel,
1332
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.239
blah blah. Now as a friend separately we make chat
1333
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:19.159
about it or you know or whatever. But yeah, like
1334
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.679
I think she felt like in that space because we
1335
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:23.079
spent a lot of time on it, you only get
1336
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.239
to see so much because of time limitations. But I
1337
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.079
think she felt like she got to say kind of
1338
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:32.360
you know, what was needed and yeah, and she and
1339
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:36.679
she actually explained some things to me that as a viewer,
1340
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.960
we didn't see her context, we didn't see that to
1341
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.679
me helped me understand her outburst more.
1342
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:43.159
So.
1343
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.559
Yeah, let's go back to your playing days. Who in
1344
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:48.920
your personal experience would you consider to be the single
1345
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.480
funniest challenge Lero?
1346
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.440
Not without a doubt, Wow that Leroy needs a Netflix
1347
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.079
comedy special.
1348
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.440
Leroy could like going back to the point about people
1349
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.519
who could be real worlders, like, because Leroy is.
1350
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.840
Like I can't, I cannot stress it.
1351
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:08.480
Leroy is so effing hilarious and even the newer cast members, now,
1352
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.599
who's been time because obviously it's been many years since
1353
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.159
I was like sharing a room with Leroy still or
1354
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.280
like he's Leroy is just so freaking funny, Like he
1355
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.400
just really Leroy. This may sound like, you know, sacrilely
1356
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.599
like I Leroy to me, if he wanted to have
1357
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.280
started a career in comedy, could easily have been up
1358
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.800
there with some of the greats, like some of the
1359
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:31.880
great great comedians.
1360
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:33.199
I think he is genuinely that fine.
1361
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:34.960
I can say this. We've asked a few people that question.
1362
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.039
I think every one of them, as has said Leroy
1363
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:37.440
in some.
1364
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.519
Compacity, hilarious, just absolutely. That's why, like, if I do
1365
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:41.840
a ross Leroy better be there.
1366
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.079
Maybe we should get him in Boston for the car Ros.
1367
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:46.599
Now that I'm thinking about it, I think he'd be
1368
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:47.840
a I think be a nice addition.
1369
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:51.880
I've been trying to lead you to water this whole time, Scott. Yeah,
1370
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:52.920
and I'm glad you're taking it.
1371
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.000
I'm drinking it. I'm drinking out of his manny cup
1372
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.960
right here. Let me ask you this. So you mentioned
1373
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.719
before there were some close calls you're getting back on
1374
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.320
the show, Some contracts were out there, things like that.
1375
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.119
What what ended up inevitably standing in the way? Why
1376
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.000
didn't we ever see it?
1377
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:12.199
Common sense? Common sense? Manise.
1378
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.599
You know, all the things look, God has them a
1379
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.280
serious way of working, and I lean into that. Whatever
1380
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:19.880
I'm on the fence about doing something, I kind of
1381
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.559
go okay, instead of trying to force this. If all
1382
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.320
the things align, then like great, But if even one
1383
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.639
thing kind of doesn't align forever, then to me it
1384
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:29.679
means not meant to be.
1385
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.000
And so for you know, a couple close calls were.
1386
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:40.719
USA two I think, yes, USA two, uh, And the
1387
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:46.320
contract was sent for that and I had and that
1388
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:47.480
was right before I started the podcast.
1389
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:48.000
It was funny.
1390
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.039
I had no idea about the like doing the podcast
1391
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.119
and I'd almost done it or was no, No, that
1392
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:55.800
was after I was doing the podcast. I think USA
1393
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:57.519
two it was, but it was right before my wedding,
1394
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.280
That's what it was. I was going to and the
1395
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.960
head of cast, like a VP at Bena Murray called.
1396
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.960
Being like hey, So it wasn't like the normal.
1397
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.239
It was like like we were having conversations and he's like, hey, look,
1398
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:17.199
and they sent the contract and I was like, okay,
1399
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:18.880
but it would need to be more. And he went
1400
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:20.239
to the network for it because this was gonna air
1401
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:25.159
on CBS, right and uh. It came back, but I
1402
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:26.880
just slept on it and I just like, it didn't
1403
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.719
quite hit the number. I put kind of low key,
1404
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.719
really high number just to be like, which I highly
1405
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.440
recommend anyway, just in things, just to see what happened.
1406
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.320
And it came under it, just under it, and I
1407
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:39.960
was like, uh and then Nie and I said no
1408
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.840
because I wanted the number to be higher. And I'm
1409
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.280
so glad I did, because as my wedding got closer,
1410
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.719
I couldn't even imagine and my husband did say to
1411
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:51.320
me like, look, if you come back with like a
1412
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.400
broken note, you know, or something like we can't move
1413
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.639
this wedding, so like, you know, so I said no
1414
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.960
to that, and then this last time, you know, I'd
1415
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.440
encouraging Day to go back and she did, and then
1416
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.079
we'd been joke, we would joke kind of about like
1417
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.920
doing it together, and so then finally I was like, oh,
1418
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.159
I'll do it if you do it, like we kind
1419
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.559
of made a pact. And then little did I know
1420
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.199
that she ended up talking to Casting and it's basically
1421
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.039
said that and then I saw it, or and then
1422
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.239
I saw Casting before I knew she had said that
1423
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.039
and said the same thing.
1424
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:21.519
So then we haven't talked about it.
1425
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:23.239
But then when the money came about, it's just like
1426
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:24.960
today's price, it's not yesterday's price.
1427
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.800
And I and it also lower. Don't they lowered the price?
1428
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:29.320
Aren't they like coming back to people and saying you
1429
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:30.320
have to take less.
1430
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.159
Than oh yeah, like the amount has gone lower.
1431
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.960
And I didn't realize that the CBS number was much higher,
1432
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:39.079
so like the benchmark of what I had, because they're
1433
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:40.679
still trying to do it at a tier level of
1434
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:41.360
how many you've done.
1435
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.519
And it's like she probably doesn't suit someone like yourself.
1436
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:45.760
It does not suit me because I've only done too
1437
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:46.760
but by choice.
1438
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.920
It's just not I never understood that, Like I get
1439
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.159
it in theory, but to have it be based on
1440
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.800
something that a for the most part, they decide is
1441
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.000
a little weird. And then also I would say that
1442
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.599
like seasonal scarcity, if you will to put a term
1443
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.639
on it, like someone who like like A Landin or
1444
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.440
an Alton or yourself, who hasn't done a million seasons,
1445
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.320
it almost makes you more desirable as a casting choice.
1446
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.639
It almost means that you're willing to not do it.
1447
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:12.440
And so I never got the like, no, we're paying
1448
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.320
on what we pay?
1449
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:13.599
Do they?
1450
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:15.400
Well, they did it because there are so many cast
1451
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.159
members and it is one of the few shows that
1452
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.239
consistently has returning cast members, so you have to like
1453
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.159
kind of put a cap in a way somewhere.
1454
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.400
But I think decide when they want to cap it
1455
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:26.840
and be like, oh, this guy's about it at five.
1456
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.079
Well, well that's what I'm saying, And that's actually I
1457
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:30.840
think why they do it, but why it doesn't work
1458
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.760
for me. I've only done two, not because they've cap
1459
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.719
did it too, but because I've said no every time,
1460
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.920
which isn't the case for most people. Like some people
1461
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.480
say no sometimes.
1462
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.760
But it's also meant to say so I get it
1463
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.039
when it's meant to be you. You are, like, for instance,
1464
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:49.000
two years into you you just debuted. Last year you
1465
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.239
did too, and ire on your third if it's a
1466
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.360
semantics thing where you've been very much a part of
1467
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.599
this world for going on ten years now, if not more,
1468
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.039
and you're the host of this, you're the host of that,
1469
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.760
You're very much a big returnee. You should not be
1470
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.320
paid like a man. Well who's you know, someone who's
1471
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.079
only been on the show three times and in the
1472
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:05.880
last couple of years.
1473
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.440
Well, and I will say that they did have that
1474
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:12.360
flexibility when they were calling about the USA, Yeah exactly,
1475
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:12.760
and that.
1476
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:13.480
So they did.
1477
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:17.440
They were, you know, they were working with me on that,
1478
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.480
but on this one they weren't. But again that's when
1479
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.639
I took it as my sign of like no go.
1480
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.280
And then also so what was funny is what was
1481
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.920
I asked to be on? So no?
1482
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:30.440
I think I was called.
1483
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.679
Because again I told you, my memory is not what
1484
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.239
it was now there's too much information, so it comes
1485
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:34.719
in And then as soon as I don't feel like
1486
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:36.320
I need anymore, it goes out. But I feel like
1487
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.639
I was called to be on forty one also, which
1488
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:40.360
is how it's came about. And it was before they
1489
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:45.239
knew about me doing the reunion, and before anybody knew,
1490
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.719
because MTV made that call, not Pan and Murray. And
1491
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:53.320
so I'm so glad I said no because then the
1492
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.760
gig doing the reunion, which was a my dream gig,
1493
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.679
but be just so much better in all the ways.
1494
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.679
All the way, mad I was like, your knees are fine,
1495
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:06.840
My knees are fine. My hotel room, my suite was great,
1496
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.320
the food and room service was delicious, the driver was excellent,
1497
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.039
the flowers were beautiful, like it just like the hair
1498
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.280
and makeup team shout out to them were wonderful. Like
1499
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.599
all of that was like or I could slave away
1500
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:19.440
for how many weeks?
1501
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.800
And you know, try not to get eliminated.
1502
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:24.119
I won't tell you how to take the prompt or
1503
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:25.719
the question, but you do have to give me an answer,
1504
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.719
Johnny or ct.
1505
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.880
It depends on what for who.
1506
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.239
Do you think is as the kids say, the goat
1507
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.480
bananas or cetea.
1508
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:42.519
I don't think there's one and so I won't. I
1509
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.599
don't think there's one, and I honestly think there's realistically
1510
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.360
three in that conversation. I think Jordan's I think there
1511
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.239
is three in that conversation, and like those two are
1512
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.920
the goats in terms of legacy, because Jordan's started around
1513
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.199
when I started, right which that show had already been
1514
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:01.039
going for twenty plus seasons. But I think both CT
1515
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:06.079
and Bananas are essential in their own ways bring so much.
1516
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:13.119
I do think that Bananas has taken on more story overall,
1517
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.519
like in terms of moving storylines, pushing buttons, much of
1518
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.159
it he enjoys, but in general where CT, some of
1519
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.559
his strategy that he plays well is to kind of
1520
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.760
sit back in the cut and almost let people underestimate
1521
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.280
him or forget that he's even there for the season
1522
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.679
until the very end, and then it's like the bears
1523
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.039
come and you better watch out, Whereas Bananas goes in
1524
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:38.599
guns a blazing every time, so you know he's taking
1525
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.679
the heat again, he brings it himself. But like he's
1526
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:44.079
taking the heat, he's essential to story. So I don't
1527
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:49.320
think anyone's watching the show and doesn't. I mean, again,
1528
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.840
it's really both of them, But I think if you
1529
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:56.760
were to ask strong feelings about personality, not just like
1530
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:59.559
looks or whatever. I feel like people have strong feelings
1531
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.960
good or bad. More so about Bananas because you see
1532
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.360
he kind of lives out loud in that way where
1533
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.320
CT will opt out of, like putting his personal life
1534
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:08.719
out there.
1535
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:14.119
Team Kara or team Laurel. Yeah, look, you'll plead the
1536
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:14.719
fifth year two.
1537
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.039
I didn't plead the fifth There I give an honest answer.
1538
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:17.239
No.
1539
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:20.880
I think they're both exceptional competitors.
1540
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.840
When I was competing with them, both Kara and I
1541
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:28.159
didn't get along and we had a little uh snap
1542
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.440
moment at the reunion a read if you will, but
1543
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:35.079
have certainly made up sence. I will say this, Laurel
1544
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.119
and I after those seasons immediately did hang out a
1545
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.679
couple of times. Laurel has also been you know, Carla
1546
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:44.159
has been super sweet and encouraging, supportive. Laurel has to
1547
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.039
Laurel has gone out of her way, like when she
1548
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.320
found out was hosting the reunion to like send me
1549
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:55.199
a sweet message and know. And I feel like, weirdly enough,
1550
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:57.639
I feel like I've gotten to see as got to
1551
01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.639
see a soft side of her that not everyone gets
1552
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.800
to see, so I sort of stand but like Sama
1553
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:06.440
that I also recognize probably my fault or issue is
1554
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.559
that it has been years since I like lived with
1555
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.199
these people, and people do change. And I also feel
1556
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.800
like if people stay in a reality world without a
1557
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:18.520
ton of balance, they can shift almost like oh go
1558
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:19.199
a little far.
1559
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:21.199
So the people that I.
1560
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.279
Maybe once loved and knew that maybe that soft side
1561
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.199
makes fewer appearances. Or like Bananas similarly, like I used
1562
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.720
to ride for Bananas quite hard because I got to
1563
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.359
see this other side of him. He's incredibly smart and
1564
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.000
great at conversation and like you know, can be empathetic
1565
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.920
all the things. You know, He's gotten even more of
1566
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.359
his persona as he's you know age, you are kind
1567
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.119
of shifted. But yeah, I like to remember people from
1568
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.199
my personal experiences with them, and I'm incredibly grateful for
1569
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:54.159
the support of all the cast. But Laurel has like
1570
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.880
sort of ridden for me in like verbally in times
1571
01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:59.840
that I've seen consistently, So I appreciate that both of
1572
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:01.880
them also have said that they only come on the
1573
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.800
podcast when I'm hosting it because they feel comfortable with me,
1574
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.880
and so that is not lost in me. I appreciate
1575
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.600
that they put that trust and.
1576
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:10.159
So team Laurel.
1577
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.640
I'm closer to Laurel if I had to you also,
1578
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:16.239
Carl's politics or garbage.
1579
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.479
But you're you're not a fan of the You're not
1580
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:20.239
a fan. You're not a fan of that.
1581
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.039
We got into it in seven. You already know how
1582
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.479
I feel. No, not the politics are trash.
1583
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.159
How do you feel, by the way, so to do
1584
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.800
a segue into that, so, how do you feel about
1585
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.800
politics and like someone's politics at home, Like if they
1586
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.600
don't ever really bleed onto the show. Obviously if they do,
1587
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:39.279
that's another thing, But how do you feel about people
1588
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.840
sort of digging into that stuff and letting it shape
1589
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.479
how they feel about the person, whether it's as a
1590
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.720
viewer or as a you know, like, do you think
1591
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.760
there's a place for that? Do you think that that
1592
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:51.199
people should do more of that?
1593
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:52.960
What do you think, Scott?
1594
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.520
I think it varies. I think I think the person
1595
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.079
themselves makes it part of their identity where you can't
1596
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.720
even forget about it. Then that's one thing. You know,
1597
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.079
there was a thing on Survivor a couple of weeks
1598
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.800
ago where these cast members were kind of had a
1599
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:08.600
little bit of an alliance and one of them said like, oh,
1600
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.840
we're cut from the same cloth, right, And so everyone
1601
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:12.640
on the internet said, oh, that must mean that they're
1602
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:14.640
all maga and blah blah blah. They started kind of
1603
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:16.800
like and and someone went and uncovered that, like, oh,
1604
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.520
they looked up this uh, this woman she's probably in
1605
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:21.800
her maybe fifties I think, and they found like her
1606
01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:23.960
voting thing and they said, oh, see she's reg bissure
1607
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:25.960
as a Republican whatever. And like then she like went
1608
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:28.279
off Twitter and whatever, and she's you know, I've met
1609
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.199
her once on the show. She comes off as just
1610
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.479
like a sweet woman. She's definitely doesn't not politics forward
1611
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:35.279
at all. And I thought it was just like a little,
1612
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.960
you know, kind of invasive to do that and then
1613
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.600
make that about like, you know, rooting for her against her,
1614
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.279
and don't get that is not my my politics either,
1615
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.319
But I think that's going a little too far with it,
1616
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.119
you know. I do think if somebody's ramming it down
1617
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:49.359
your throat, whether on the show or on Instagram or whatever,
1618
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.640
you know what I mean, the the uh maybe the
1619
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.079
your your old roommate chat there for a little bit.
1620
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.479
Yeah, he's unfollowed or blocked out of us.
1621
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.119
Right, yeah, you know, and I think there's kind of
1622
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.000
but there is a happy media of lending people be themselves.
1623
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.039
I think there's a happy medium anymore. I think, look,
1624
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:03.479
I don't have a problem with someone looking at my
1625
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.199
voter history. I don't have a problem. You know, when
1626
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.479
Mumdannie won, we got into about Mondonnie. When Mamdannie one
1627
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.800
here in the New York mayor race, some people were like, oh,
1628
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.159
good luck with mo Donnia. I was like, hell, yeah, no, great,
1629
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.720
You're like, yes, this is wonderful. And this is why
1630
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:21.399
I if you looked into my politics and how I
1631
01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:24.119
vote or move, I'm not embarrassed by that. I'm not
1632
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:26.600
ashamed by that because it's it is who I am
1633
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:28.600
as a person, whether I say it or not. Like
1634
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:32.199
I don't need to tell you what I'm actively doing
1635
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.199
or not doing, but I should be able to stand
1636
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.399
true in what I believe. And if this were in
1637
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.159
nineteen ninety five or two thousand and five, then sure maybe,
1638
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:42.159
because it's like, ah, I didn't even know.
1639
01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.760
I couldn't tell you that anyone's still.
1640
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.680
But now it's like, yeah, no, I believe in human rights, Yeah,
1641
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:50.920
I believe in having empathy.
1642
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:51.479
For the people.
1643
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:54.279
Yeah, I believe that we should have you know, common sense,
1644
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:56.760
and we should have people who are actually qualified and
1645
01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.800
we don't. We should have the truth, and people should
1646
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.600
you know, not have Twitter fingers. And I think, like
1647
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.560
all of all of the things, I stand on it
1648
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.319
and if today, because this NaNs has been going for
1649
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.520
ten years, so there is no excuse.
1650
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:13.279
Not to know today.
1651
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:15.920
If someone says, oh, I'm a political that's another way
1652
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.640
of just saying I'm stupid and choose to be if someone,
1653
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:22.680
because everything we touch is politics, the roads you ride on,
1654
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.319
the food you eat, all of that, the sunscreen, the
1655
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.960
fact that our sunscreens are behind other countries because of
1656
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:33.079
overreach of lobbies to keep from having certain agreeents live
1657
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:35.199
here that other countries use that are more effective at
1658
01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.399
protecting us from cancer and the like. And that's in
1659
01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:38.000
a conspiracy.
1660
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.760
Can look it up. It's pretty like easy and factual.
1661
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:46.479
Everything you touch is political and so as such, you know,
1662
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:50.039
just because something maybe doesn't negatively affect me, also like
1663
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:51.800
you know, I was born here, da Da, it doesn't
1664
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:53.680
mean I can't care for other people that it is
1665
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.760
negatively impacting. And so if anyone can either turn a
1666
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.600
blind eye not care or can vote for that because
1667
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.640
they care about things like oh I want more money
1668
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:04.960
in my then Yet no, I can't like ride for you.
1669
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.760
I can't, like, I.
1670
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:11.159
Can't pretend unless you're now look, if you're an actor,
1671
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:12.560
the only my guess it doesn't I don't say it
1672
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:14.840
doesn't matter. But like if I'm watching a movie for
1673
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.840
that ninety minute, sure I can suspend because if you're
1674
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.199
doing your job, you were pretending to be Batman or
1675
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:23.760
whatever else, right, who doesn't live in this world? And
1676
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:27.119
so yeah, there's for that ninety minutes. Now for ninety minutes, Yeah,
1677
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:29.439
I'm still seeing you as whoever it is?
1678
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:29.720
This?
1679
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.560
What about like athletics? Right? Like do you care if
1680
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:35.439
you find out Max Crosby on the Raiders? You know
1681
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:36.239
you know what I mean?
1682
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.920
I mean Chiefs girl, but it disheartened by the Chiefs.
1683
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:44.399
Ever, some from Kansas City was a a chief, a
1684
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:46.760
chief's family like you know, a cousin of mine played
1685
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.439
on the chi like I very much. You know, ride
1686
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:52.840
for the Chiefs, and I still love my hometown team.
1687
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:56.880
But when they were at not the last super Bowl,
1688
01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.520
but the one before, I felt like just the way
1689
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:03.920
they handled certain things around politics wasn't great. And then
1690
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.520
also they had a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk
1691
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.239
and that was to me that was done.
1692
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:09.600
I was done for this season.
1693
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.680
I have done, and uh, they make Super Bowl, so now,
1694
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.640
But I just thought that was for talking about keeping
1695
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:17.239
things separate, like there wasn't a need.
1696
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.479
To disbanded that you're out of it. I don't like that.
1697
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.680
I well, I would saying it's not even just the Chiefs,
1698
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:24.439
the NFL as a whole, because we didn't see the
1699
01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:25.159
NBA do that.
1700
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:25.880
They're smarter.
1701
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:32.000
I but I I it changed something in me fundamentally
1702
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.439
where I can't get excited like I used to, even
1703
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.359
if I wanted to, I just can't because it's like
1704
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:40.359
I know too much.
1705
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.880
I've seen too much suffering. I just can't. Like there's
1706
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:44.079
just no there would.
1707
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.720
Not recommend watching the UFC, then.
1708
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.479
Oh I don't. That's gone full Oh no, exactly where
1709
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:50.600
all of that I don't.
1710
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.600
But then you know again, it's like you mentioned with
1711
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:55.039
the movie thing, everyone has their ability to suspend kind
1712
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:56.960
of when is this because I guess my foul up
1713
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.079
question would be uh, because because I do think it
1714
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:00.960
is possible. The show does kind of cut all that
1715
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:02.880
stuff out and people I think are smart and maybe
1716
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.920
not even whether they're getting into these kind of conversations
1717
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.119
there or not. It's more like you get it when
1718
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.720
she's doing her makeup on TikTok or whatever, right exactly.
1719
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:10.760
It's like in the game.
1720
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.399
Look in the game, I'm not going I hope this
1721
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:17.159
person gets voted out because they're maga. It's more like,
1722
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.199
again on the challenge, I'm in the game, who's going
1723
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.359
to get the puzzle? Who's being nice to their partner?
1724
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:22.600
You know, like who told this?
1725
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:23.319
Like you?
1726
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:26.279
Similarly, you're able to suspend. But outside of that, if
1727
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.800
we're talking about because attention is money now, right, like
1728
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.359
monetize social media. So if you're talking about where I'm
1729
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:35.920
spending my attention and or money, whether that's you know,
1730
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.479
following a certain creator or person or cast member, blah
1731
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:43.800
blah blah, whether that's engaging which ultimately boosts their profile,
1732
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:47.560
all that I try not and look, I don't research,
1733
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.000
although I did go through my list of follow people
1734
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.399
I follow like a month or two ago, and I
1735
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:54.239
actually typed in Donald Trump because you know, on Instagram,
1736
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:57.279
at least it'll show you who follows and then anyone
1737
01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:00.079
I followed that followed that and followed them, whether I
1738
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.640
knew you're not just unfollowed done, Because if you were active,
1739
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.039
unless you're following both sides, then I kind of gave
1740
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:11.800
you pass. Unless you're following both sides, then I kind
1741
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:13.600
of gave you pass. But if you're following like the
1742
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.920
Trump family, like if you're following like fan.
1743
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.439
Accounts, I shall follow. Ever since Elon bought Twitter, I
1744
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.560
don't think it matters whether I follow people or not.
1745
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:21.680
Not on Twitter anymore.
1746
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.439
I stopped Twitter even Instagram too. Like I realized, Like
1747
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.119
I was saying this the other day, I honor ironically
1748
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:28.600
used Travis Kelsey as an example. I was like, I
1749
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:30.840
don't think I follow his podcast. I've never listened to
1750
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:32.720
his podcast, not that I wouldn't or anything. I just
1751
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:34.880
I just don't have time for. But I've seen probably
1752
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:37.159
three hundred clips of it on Instagram. It just feeds
1753
01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:39.119
me that. Yeah. Of course, on Twitter, same thing. I
1754
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.920
get fed, you know, fill in the blank, whoever, Marco Ruby,
1755
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:43.920
oh blah bla blah whoever, and I always click on it.
1756
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.159
I'm like, I'm like, oh, I don't follow that.
1757
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.199
It just it just shows This was just about no, no, no,
1758
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.760
this was about me feed. The numbers still matter for
1759
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.840
brand deals, the numbers still matter, like for when they're
1760
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.439
pitching themselves, it still matters, And so I don't want
1761
01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.640
to boost engagement in any way. It wasn't even that
1762
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.359
I was seeing their content. It was more I can't
1763
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:06.119
get behind this. I'm not followed, Like I'm not putting
1764
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:09.439
my penny in your bucket, regardless if you are actively
1765
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.279
if you think it's a joke currently what's happening, it's not,
1766
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:14.720
or if you're actively following that, and I stand by that,
1767
01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:15.199
I am.
1768
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.520
Most of these people, and to your point, you you
1769
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.279
also believe this is bad, just don't really.
1770
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:23.239
Care that, which tells me then, if a dog's getting
1771
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:25.000
kicked in the street, I care. If a human's getting
1772
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.479
kicked in the street, I care like if a woman's
1773
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.840
getting yelled. If a woman I've never had an abortion,
1774
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.319
you know, I've never been in that situation, but I
1775
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.560
know plenty people have. If someone's having to cross state
1776
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.399
lines because to get proper medical care, I care like that.
1777
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.079
I pay a lot in taxes, a lot in taxes.
1778
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:45.199
I'm fortunate that we make enough to but it also,
1779
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:48.640
but no, no, no, he wants the one unless you're
1780
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:50.239
in the one percent, Scott, in which case I need
1781
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:52.640
to be charging you more to do these appearances. He
1782
01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:56.039
wants the one percent, and they should charge more, pay more.
1783
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:57.800
But I don't even mind the fair share I pay.
1784
01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:00.239
And that's also just a misnomer, to be clear, it's
1785
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:01.720
not the middle class he wants to pay more. I
1786
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.560
make good money. My HUSB makes very good money. We
1787
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:05.239
don't make one percent money. And I love you, Scott,
1788
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:07.920
I'm sure you don't make one percent. They want the
1789
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:12.960
top one percent. When you've got multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple
1790
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.760
zeros at multiple houses in multiple places, you can afford
1791
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.000
to pay your fair share instead of paying your accountant
1792
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:20.479
to give you all the loopholes so you can write
1793
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:22.720
off your hair appointments and not be paying into the
1794
01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:25.800
things that help our community. It's okay for you. You're
1795
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.279
not gonna miss that extra mill because you've got seventy
1796
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:30.439
of them. Now, if you have only one or two
1797
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:32.439
mil in the bank, sure you know it's a difference,
1798
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:36.359
but that's not the one percent. The one percent got many, many,
1799
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.279
many meals, and so yeah, they should pay more. And
1800
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.399
people who don't care or don't care about that and
1801
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.359
helping other people. I just think it's it sucks and
1802
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:50.000
it's you know, I yeah, I just I'm allergic to nonsense.
1803
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.000
But I think all this to say team Laurel is
1804
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:52.640
what you were getting.
1805
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.119
I don't even actually know Law's posics, to be honest.
1806
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:57.079
I think I've seen. I do think she is that
1807
01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:58.680
that and that a lot of me said about her
1808
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.199
about other things and what and but but but I
1809
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:03.880
do think she is aligns with with you that in
1810
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:04.479
that department.
1811
01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:05.479
Why are you stuttering?
1812
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.760
I don't want to be if I'm wrong. I don't
1813
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:10.880
want to like speak for her, but that's fair. But
1814
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.399
I do think I do think based on I believe
1815
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:13.840
like back and.
1816
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:17.159
Forth instinct, I agree I from the person. I know,
1817
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:20.199
I feel that, but I but I don't know the
1818
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:22.479
thing is like, but if she came out supporting him,
1819
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.239
she survived my following list when I went and cleared
1820
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:26.600
out who was following who, so.
1821
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:28.359
Not to get in. But then there's like, oh, you
1822
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.520
agree with somebody on like eight out of ten things,
1823
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.000
and then they just picked two things where they go
1824
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:34.039
way too far on it, Jammy, so like you know
1825
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:34.920
what I mean, Like you just.
1826
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:36.199
I don't even know what she's gone to. I mean,
1827
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.000
I know it's progressive, but I don't know what she's like.
1828
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.800
We won't talk about We'll tell you off air.
1829
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:42.199
I can't.
1830
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.000
But but okay, real quick, because I know I have
1831
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:45.680
to let you go. Can you give me the cliff notes?
1832
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:48.600
This universal thing we never saw because I'm fascinated by this,
1833
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:50.640
because this was like right before the pandemic is I
1834
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:52.119
think the reason we didn't see it is like you
1835
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:52.880
guys film me thing.
1836
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:54.520
I used to have the tape and like no one
1837
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:56.319
really did, but they did send it to me, and
1838
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.159
I I don't know if I was unorganized back then,
1839
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:00.720
So like I don't know if I I saved it.
1840
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.239
I should have, but I don't know if I did.
1841
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:05.279
It was the biggest one we had done to date,
1842
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:07.880
so it was in two locations. We did it at
1843
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:13.199
both at Universal Studios Hollywood and Universal Studios Orlando, and
1844
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.159
so basically it's like we had teams.
1845
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:15.960
It's it is.
1846
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:24.199
It was Sarah was Devon on it Walk Devin Walker
1847
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:26.000
was it.
1848
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:26.840
I don't remember that part.
1849
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:31.800
I know Sarah, I think Nehemiah Sarah Devon, I think
1850
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:33.479
Rachel was there because that's it it was. It was
1851
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:36.239
actually multiple there was like multiple elimination rounds, so it
1852
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:40.199
was bigger than before, I want to say, Rachel, and
1853
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.880
that's actually where All Stars came to be All Stars.
1854
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:46.079
Was it like, yes, market, market was your idea, but
1855
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:48.880
really it was just a spin off of the Universal
1856
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.079
Studios Challenge that is one hundred percent And he was
1857
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.680
even kind of saying, Oh, wouldn't it be cool if
1858
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:56.920
this was actually like a thing while there, So shout
1859
01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:59.960
out to Eddie Gutierrez who was who head headed up
1860
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.439
team for MTV at the time, who oversaw the Universal
1861
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:07.039
Studios Challenge, because really All Stars was born from.
1862
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:10.560
The reason we was because the partty shut down.
1863
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:12.319
So then so nothing.
1864
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:14.600
But but what was crazy is there was a little
1865
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.479
tift that had so there was also a tea time
1866
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:19.479
segment that was added in that hadn't been in the
1867
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.560
previous ones where I got to interview and sort of
1868
01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:23.800
do if you will, almost like a mini reunion with
1869
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:25.399
the cast members, and yeah, I do think you're right.
1870
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:32.680
Devin Walker was there and.
1871
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:31.159
I didn't go too far with the abody.
1872
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:35.399
Somebody just acting crazy and they went they went crazy
1873
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:37.560
or they acted crazy and it was funny because I
1874
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:42.760
think they expected me to get shut down or reprimanded
1875
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:46.279
or whatever else. Like they stormed off set and they
1876
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:49.159
tried to twist some things around that happened. I'll let
1877
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.079
you all use your imagination. And then what's funny though,
1878
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:55.239
is so that happened, and I was sort of taken
1879
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.680
aback because I thought we were in a good and
1880
01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.159
it was. My questions were it was no different than
1881
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.840
what you saw in the reunion, right like this past reunion.
1882
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.479
So so this is like in front of Harry Potter World.
1883
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:07.079
Yeah, like it no was sitting in front of the
1884
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:10.399
entrance to Universe. So they're fans walking by, like going
1885
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:13.000
in the park. Like this was like they'd set up
1886
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.720
this big set and like roped it off in front
1887
01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.359
of the entrance going in. But it was so loud
1888
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.479
there that I don't think fans could really hear like
1889
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:21.239
they get having no one's going on, because you can
1890
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:22.720
only hear it if you're kind of micd and in
1891
01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:25.000
the circle. But anyway, that person like stormed off and
1892
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:28.119
I think they thought that it was going to put
1893
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.760
me out of a position or just touch them down.
1894
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:33.720
But what was funny is then that next season, I
1895
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.000
was hosting the aftermaths and then we just see where
1896
01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:38.119
it went from there. And I actually do think that
1897
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:39.399
was a part of it, because I think they saw
1898
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:43.000
I could hold my own, that I could hold feet
1899
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:45.239
like that I was, I could stand my ground in
1900
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.520
my questions, and I could also hold my own when
1901
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:52.520
people were trying to like manipulate a situation and it
1902
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.000
wasn't even that big of a question, and they tried
1903
01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:56.039
to twist some things around, which is super weird, and
1904
01:22:57.079 --> 01:22:59.520
especially when like days before they were like, oh, it's
1905
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.840
so great giving me hugs. It was just weird, like
1906
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:05.199
super weird. But they did send me the tape because
1907
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:06.600
I wanted to see it. At one point they were like,
1908
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:09.479
don't show any one, and I didn't. And now that
1909
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:13.439
it's pretty much gone and MTV couldn't release it because
1910
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.159
technically I'd leave Universal owned it.
1911
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.560
Yeah, so all right, we have to go. But wait,
1912
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:19.359
so you guys, are you? You and the person that
1913
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.560
will remain nameless? I guess we have to do that.
1914
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:23.680
You guys are still kind of on the spoken.
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To them since I mean, I wish them well, I'm
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sure they're doing great.
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I don't know, so by process of elimination, because we've
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seen you talking to Devon obviously, we've seen you talking
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into Rachel.
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There was a bunch of people there. There was like
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eight I think there was like eight people were talking.
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Guys. Sacramento, California at May thirtieth. I'm so delighted. The
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day before you're gonna be singing the national anthem. I think,
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uh formerly Oakland now Sacramento as Stadium when they take
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on the New York Yankees. Cyrus, Yes, Durrell Mark, of course,
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Davon Rogers, who I will believe it when I see it,
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and this beautiful soul, Miss Devin Simone, thank you so much,
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Thank you for having me.
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Enjoy me you guys every Fridays from three to four
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on Amazon Live. You can actually just go to I
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always post about it on my Instagram, So if you
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go follow me on Instagram at Devin simoone, you can
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find it there, or you can watch it on the
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in and you can chat with me. You can also
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So I'd love to have you there.
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And when's your next Today's Show? Here do we know?
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I'll be on Today's Show tomorrow and then I'll also
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be on Today's Show on Thursday, the twenty fourth of April.
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It another Today Show segment will be on. So you're everywhere,
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Rman san diego over here, guys if you want to
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Live for tickets. Devin Simone, everybody all right, guys, this
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