Ep. 477: Ask D Anything Q&A

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What's up, everybody. This is Scott Jeger here with another
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All right, you didn't come.
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For me, you came for d This episode is a
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whole lot of d It's an ask d anything and
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ask me anything. We took the challenge maniac dot com
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and did a big old Q and A where we
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answered a lot of your questions, talked about a lot
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of the topics swirling around the internet. Now, I will
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say we did record this about a week or two ago.
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It's been exclusive over a challengemaniacs dot com. So this
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was recorded before season forty one was formally announced, before
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lot of new stuff in the ether that we don't cover.
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It's not that we didn't want to talk about it.
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You're just listening to a Q and A that is
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about ten to twelve days old at this point. That's
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that on a future podcast or Q and A. Derek
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All right, you didn't come for me, you came for D. Today.
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It's a bit of an ask D anything, and ask
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me anything, and ask us anything, because we're going to
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talk about all the news, all the rumors, all the gossip,
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and answer some of your questions from Challenge Maniacs dot com.
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Give it up for mister Derek Jims. Do you tell men?
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Yeah, nothing much. This is we're going audio old school
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audio versions there. I brought my I brought my Steelers
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jersey from their championship years because I'm excited. I'm jealous
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that I didn't go to that I wasn't able to
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do Challenge Many Live Saint Louis with you guys. And
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I saw yet the game, and I saw the first
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pitch is getting thrown out, and I saw Mark Long
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almost taking the mascot's head off, and I saw Durrell
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bounce it in, and then I saw Wes wes bergman
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chirp in and say he's still got the best first
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pitch out there, which I'm gonna just completely destroy when
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we go to Pittsburgh and do the Pirates game. So
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I was wearing my Steelers jersey here, although you guys
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can't see it. Scott's back inside the closet and uh,
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that's that. That's how we're rolling this time around.
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Yeah, so my family's going on a little bit of
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a vacation, so we want to get some episodes in
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the can for you guys. However, all my kids are
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done with school. I don't remember school getting done this early,
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but all my kids are done with school. So you
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have a full house, jam packed the kids running around,
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so unable to get the Pristine video set up as usual,
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So just banging out some audio. But I can attest
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because I can see it. If Derek is wearing a nice, clean,
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fresh Super Bowl edition Steelers jersey.
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It's not clean or it's not clean or fresh, it
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is it is James Jrrison. Yes, Yes, it was the
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I was wearing this when they won the championship and
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he caught the interception to go into halftime. So he's
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he's he's a defensive player, catches the interception. He's like
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a lineman catches the interception. He's not a lineman. I
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think he's a linebacker. He's a linebacker. Catch the interception
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runs it like almost a ninety yards or something like that.
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Maybe it was like sixty. I might be exaggerating, but yeah,
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this is this is from from that year back then.
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It's got some nice like you know, like some beat up.
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You know it's beat up. It's old, but.
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Well it's better than the last one.
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The last time he rolled up to Pittsburgh wearing a
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Steelers jersey, it was in Antonio Brown jersey. Who Your
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mileage may vary on whether you find him to be
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hilarious or a psychopath or maybe both. He's become probably
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I will say love him or hate him. Probably the
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most interesting post NFL or sports career Twitter follow for
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all the wrong reasons, but like, yeah, right, I can't
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think of anyone who just literally you will read the
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most fucked up joke of the week on Twitter and
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you'll go to see who wrote it, and you think
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it's gonna be some troll from like someone's basement in Idaho,
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No offense, Idaho, and it's no. It's ctespn's finest mister
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Antonio Brown saying, like the most fucked up thing you've
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ever heard about, like a presidential candidate or some like
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you know, random woman on the streets in Nashville or
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something like that.
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Yeah, he's definitely on Kanye West level of saying fucked
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up shit. And as a joke, I wore that Antonio
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Brown jersey that's never been worn that where I bought
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it when he like he was good and he wasn't
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that crazy? No, And I wore this. I took off
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the tag and I wore the jersey to challenge Manu
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Live Pittsburgh the first year and you know, wearn't it
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as a joke, thinking no, maybe I get a laugh
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out of this. And I took a poll out of
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applause when I when I got up on stage and
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I said, you know, should I keep this on? And
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they were like, no, they're not they they don't love him,
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So I took it off. Yeah.
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I will say though this, I will say if I
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my memory serves me, I think like towards the end
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of his career in Pittsburgh he started to go off
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the rails, but the full like going real, you know,
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taking off his shirt and jersey that was on the jets,
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I think right or on the bucks.
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Maybe it was at the Jets, right, it was with.
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It was it was with Tom Brady as his quarterback.
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Yeah, so he was on the Bucks, but it was
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at the meadow Lands here and and then obviously all
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this stuff post career on social media.
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He was, I will say, for as big of a
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lunatic as he's become.
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I remember for like well, I mean I had to
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be at least six to eight years he was just
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like he was the number one receiver in Fantasy for sure.
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Like he was he was the best, the best.
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Or among the top three to five best receivers in
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the league for a good six to eight years for sure.
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So it's not just that. But okay, so you talk
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about the first pitch.
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By the way, if you're coming to this podcast expecting again,
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we don't have a guest here for you, but we
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have had a slew of OG guests. Derek McCrae, Vinnie Fody,
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We just had dunbar Merril, and we're trying to unearthed
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and dust off a few more before season one comes kicking,
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but we were unable to make it happen. In this
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tight little window here we have for me, returning from
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Saint Louis and then me going down to Florida for
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the camp for you guys. We also have the full
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It will probably make its way to feed at some
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And then today, depending on when you're listening to this,
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cracking on that. We got a great line up for
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Boston on September twenty seventh. You're talking about the first pitch,
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So here's something you might not know. I never thought
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of this, but they were telling us this on a
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recurring basis on Sunday, so I don't know if this
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hit your desk d but in the past week or so,
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the Cardinals also had the busting with the boys. Guys
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throw out the first pitch and one of them completely
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flanked it like fifty cent style, awful pitch, and then
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the other one will comped in threw a strike down
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the middle.
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Okay, now, because his co host whose name escapes.
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Me, another former football player, they have a great podcast
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because he screwed it up so bad. That clip went
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viral and has like millions of us so well going
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into the pitches that they threw. And then after the fact,
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all the Cardinals staff were telling us like, hey, like, look,
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I know you're gonna be embarrassed, but if you have
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a really bad pitch, like that's the one that people
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are gonna see. Like, if you just have like a
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pretty good pitch, no one's passing that around, like, look,
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how good this fifty four year old athlete has been
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on reality TV for thirty years.
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Did no if you throw.
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It, if you were almost knocked the bird's head off,
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that's the one that's going around.
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No, I'm not gonna say he.
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Played it that way, but more people are talking about
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Mark almost knocking the birds head off than they would
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be if he threw, you know, a strike down the middle.
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Yeah, got him waiting right, No.
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I look, I get it. I just it's it's just like, listen,
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here's the thing. Look, how disappointed Durrell was that he
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bounced it in there? And I don't know if you
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watch Joshus.
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Well the bounce the bounce, the bounce is the worst
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of both worlds because the bounce is no, the bounce
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is not impressive, nor is it pathetic enough to go viral.
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So the bounce is that And I'll give you I'll
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tell you what.
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Right before they did it, they actually had an employee.
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I thought this was awesome by the way I was
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telling him. I thought this was so cool.
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So a woman who worked with either in the office
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or maybe the case. I honestly, I don't even want
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to know say what she did because I don't even
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want to like get it wrong. But she she she
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worked for the Cardinals for forty years, right, and she
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just retired I think last season, and they brought her
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back to throw out a ceremonial first pitch. Now, this
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is a woman. She looks like she's maybe in her seventies.
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She was wearing a dress, she had her whole family there,
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and she threw it and bounced it in. But for
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someone her age and stature, like even getting it strike
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down the middle with one little bounce, everyone plauded like
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she just won the World Series.
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That cut to Durell doing a similar Yeah.
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Here's the thing, at least at least Durrell. Like you
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could see like you could see the pitch kind of
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bounce in, like when Josh goes and posts his his uh,
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you know, his his video and his compilation, uh first pitch,
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first pitch at the ball field, in pitch at the
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Pittsburgh Pate Sam and all the pictures with all his
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buddies and Frasier and Betsie. You Actually he actually cuts
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it before it gets to the dirt, before it gets
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to the catcher because he bounces it in because he
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is a former pitcher at the high school level and
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he still can't get the job done. It's it's so
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it's like it's like it's like to everybody, Like Mark's
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was cool because he almost takes the mascot's head off
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and he does it by accident and he throws some
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steam behind it. Like I can purposefully go in there
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at the at the Pirate Stadium and fucking chuck it,
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you know, up, you know, into the net, Like I
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could do that. I could probably if there's a mascot
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standing in, I could like try to hit him, Like
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I could try to hit him on purpose. I just
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don't know how well that's gonna go over with the
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Pittsburgh Pirates.
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They don't you like they do.
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I mean, look like if I if I purposefully bean
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the mascot, which I think would be pretty funny, and
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you got the wheels turned and like I could do it,
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like I would go in and like I would touch
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his head and make sure it's like it could take
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the uh you know, it could take the impact. I'm
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not gonna throw it ninety miles an hour, but no, look,
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I've been hitting the face the fastball. Uh.
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You know, I'll tell you what I can.
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I be honest, though, This is the flaw in your logic, right,
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So if you were able to aim, ready fire and
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actually hit the mascot in that head, which it's a
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big head, but it's still like about the size of
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a strike zone, then you could also probably just throw
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like a deadsetter strike, which, as we see, only like
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one out of every four people who throw first pitch does.
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When you get up there and the jitters come in
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and it's hard to hit a target like that. So
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instead of being like, oh, I'm aiming for the dude's
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head or whatever it is, head like, you know, it
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should probably just be like, hey, I'm either.
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Going for over the plate or I'm going for out there.
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And if it goes all the way to the right
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and it gets near because here's what these mascots do
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that's funny and that it works, is that if it
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goes anywhere near the mascot, that mascot's going to jump
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out of the way like it almost hit him.
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To turn it into a joke. Anyway, you know, what
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if what if.
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I tell what if I tell him, hey, listen, can
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I bean you? And he's like, yeah, do it, and
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I'll sell it and make it look like like you
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killed me.
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No, so I'll tell right out.
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They would like if someone over there is listening to this,
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they're probably like, reconsidering letting you throw the first pitch.
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There's no purposely.
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Hitting anyone, and I guarantee you Mark did not purposely
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almost hit him. But no, this is not good for
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our general people want to bring us into doucing, similar
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to you guys jumping on the bell in Philly, which,
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of course, to the naked eye looked like an awesome
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photo op. How cool is that they're on top of
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this ceremonial bell. But I can say in the moment,
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they were like didn't want us to do a single
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other thing that night, because they were like, these guys.
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Are wild cards. We can let them near the court.
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What are these guys gonna do? One of them my
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pants embeid. You know, So these these these these teams
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and stuff. They don't like like plans going in for
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stuff going haywire.
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If it happens by accident, that's one thing.
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But yeah, okay, all right, So speaking of stuff going haywire,
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I show up to the airport Friday, was flying out
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a little later than usual because it was my son's
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last day at kindergarten. So instead of being on one
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of the earlier flights, I was on a four to
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fifteen flight. I get to the airport, I'm there for
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a couple hours. They say, oh, now the flight's leaving
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at five. I go down to the gate. I'm sitting
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at the gate. There's no there's no gate agent, there's
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no plane. I'm like, this is weird. They'n on like
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four point thirty five. All of a sudden, they just
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update the board. They're like, now the flight's leaving at seven.
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I'm like, so I go back up to the lounge.
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I go to talk to the people. They're like, oh,
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there's a two hour way to talk to somebody, but
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call this number. I call the number. I'm like, can
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you tell them what flight we're waiting on to come in?
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That's gonna be our flight. They're like, yeah, so and
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so out of Raleigh whatever. I like, Okay, what when
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did that flight leave? What time is that flight coming in?
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They're like, oh, it hasn't left yet. I'm like, so,
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what time is that supposed to arrive. They're like, well,
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if it leaves, it'll arrive at seven forty eight. I'm like,
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but you're telling us this flight's gonna leave at seven.
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I was like, anyway, long story short. The next time
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I called, they're like, oh, your flight was canceled, so
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at around six forty five. I'm like, all right, can
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you get me on the first flight out of the morning.
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They're like, oh, sorry, that flight's already full because they
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had already canceled another Saint Louis flight And now it's
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so so what can you get me on?
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Oh we can get you on Kansas City. Oh, we
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can get you on this whatever.
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Okay, Well, it wasn't gonna get me there in time,
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so then I basically leave. I actually the first place
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I went was to the budget a rental car counter.
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I'm sitting at the on this huge line because my
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plan was first plan was to rent a car and
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drive fifteen hours through the night to Saint Louis.
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While I'm there, some other people who are looking into
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flights and things like that, they go.
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Oh, there's actually a Southwest out of Baltimore. So I'm like, Baltimore.
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How do I get to Baltimore. Baltimore's four hours away, this, that,
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and the other thing. Then I'm like, okay, maybe this
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does LaGuardia flight to Baltimore, no sold out.
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Okay.
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The one flight to Baltimore via Southwest was this flight
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on what was out of Icelip, which is Long Island,
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which I've never flown out of, which is a small
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Long Island airport, And it actually worked in my favorite
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because since it was so small there were so few flights,
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there was so few like kind of stuff working against
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me as far as stuff getting canceled anyway. So as
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you know, because I'm keeping you plugged in as well,
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I had to get up at two thirty am on Saturday.
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Take at three o'clock.
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Uber two hours into Long Island and get on this
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six am flight. As the first person of the gate.
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There's a plane there. I'm like, okay, good now. I
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don't fly Southwest almost ever. Right to me, it almost
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seems like a less predictable thing because you don't get
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an assign see.
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You know, for whatever reason.
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It's kind of looked at as one of the sort
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of step Child Airlines. Long story short, this flight left
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at six at five point thirty.
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They start at five thirty.
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The pilot kind of leisurely walks through, gets bored whatever.
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They start lining everybody up zone, this, your zone, that whatever.
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When you go on the plane, you just pick your
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seat like you're walking on a bus.
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Right again, I've never done this right.
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I had to condense the merch bag that's normally this
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big check bag into a small bag, and you know,
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I put it in a thing it fits.
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Okay, cool, I've got my seat. We get.
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We land into Baltimore at seven twenty. The flight out
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of Baltimore boarded at seven thirty five. So I take
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my little bag of merch, I run to the next gate.
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I get there with six minutes to spare. Same deal
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that flight like clockwork boards right at the time they
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said it would. Everyone's on the flight within thirty minutes,
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boom we take off. There was no like, oh, you're
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in my seat, No, you're for whatever reason, when nobody
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has the seat, everybody's quicker.
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Right.
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I land in Saint Louis at nine to forty eight am,
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get to the hotel at ten thirty literally, then leave
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from the hotel at ten forty five with the guys
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to get to the comedy club. Get to the comedy
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club at eleven, set up, do the show at one.
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So barely made it, but did make it Helium Comedy Club.
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It was a great show. Everyone was there, everybody else
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made it on time. Frank in and out.
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He literally flew in Saturday morning, did the show, came
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to dinner with us, flew out. Saturday night. We had Amber,
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we had Durrell, we had Mark, we had West john A.
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John A found out, Uh, this is a funny story
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involved in the baseball team. So john A flew we
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you know, booked her flight from from Nashville to Saint Louis,
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and she took the flight on Friday. But then I
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guess she found out, Oh, Nashville is only five hours away.
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I guess her husband, Kevin is a Dodgers fan, and
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they were playing the Dodgers. Oh she's like, She's like, oh, like,
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are there enough tickets where if my family comes, they
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can come. So so they end up driving, Kevin and
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her two children drive Saturday night and then come to
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the game on Sunday now here.
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Now, it was adorable when you know her daughter.
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Saying the taking out the ball game with us, her
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kids were having a great time. We're all meeting in
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the lobby to go to two people. I have to
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call out for this. So we're all meeting in the
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lobby to go to this game. Now, the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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let me, we do a lot of these things with
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different teams, this and that we are we are so
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grateful for everything that they provide us, whether it's.
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The experience or whether it's swag or whatever.
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Right, the Saint Louis Cardinals went above and beyond in
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that they made a personalized jersey for all six of us.
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On top of that game, they gave us like a
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ton of extra hats. They gave us little kids jerseys
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so like for john A's kids, I took a couple home, like, okay,
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all this stuff so there's enough swag where there's nobody
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should be in anything that doesn't have a red bird
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on it.
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Right, two people I got to call out.
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One is now I get this because he doesn't really
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understand whatever.
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And he's a Dodgers fan.
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Kevin, Johnny's husband, comes down to the lobby wearing a
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Dodger's jersey and a Dodger's hat and like Dodgers And
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I said, Kevin, I'm really sorry, man, you gotta go
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up and change. I'm sorry, I go, look, I go.
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You can if you want, bring that stuff in a
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bag once we're in it, once we're in the suite, whatever,
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feel free to wear it.
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But when we're walking through.
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The private metal detector entrance two hours before the game
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saying hi to the employees and stuff like that, and
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we're out on the field before, like.
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You can't be wearing that shit. So he was nice
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about it. He changed. Okay.
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Then Mike Colb so we had you know, helping us out.
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We had Mike, we had Bill, we had Randa, we
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had Hugh Tech. They all came to the game of
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this two, all of them were wearing either regular clothes
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or or some of the extra Cardinals swag we had.
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Mike Colb comes down thinking he's slick in you Challenge
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Mania Live Cubs shirt. Okay, so it's it's the Cubs logo,
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but it says Challenge Mania Alive. Now, okay for the
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sixty people in the stadium who know what Challenge MANI Alive.
508
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Is sure, but it's still the Cubs logo. The Cubs
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and the Cardinals are rivals, right and they're not even
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playing the Cubs. So I say to him, I say, dude,
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you got to take that off. He goes, is this
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the only shirt I have? I go, I don't give
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a fuck. Here's my room key, go up to my room.
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So then he comes back down again. I guess, maybe
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trying to be cute or maybe whatever. He's like, this
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is the only one you had to fit me in
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a blue and white Mark long shirt.
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Blue and white, of course, are the Dodgors colors. But
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I'll take it. Whatever.
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Fine, at least you're not wearing the other team rival shirt.
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So yeah, So so both Kevin, who I think.
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Was Kevin even said afterwards he goes. I get why
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he said, Now that we're walking yeah, yeah, walking.
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Through the bowels of the stadium and this that whatever,
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and you're wearing Dodger stuff would look weird. But Mike
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Cole thinking he's slick because he's a Cubs fan too,
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so I know he was wanted to be able to
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send a picture to his You want to be able
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to send a picture to his cub fan friends and
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be like when I wear yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, Well it's it's a it's a slippery slope.
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It's tricky because even I saw you guys, because I'm
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a Cubs fan. I'm from Chicago, die hard, die hard
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Cubs and Socks fan, even though the Socks are one
535
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of the worst teams in baseball. But and it's rare
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to be both in Chicago, but I would when you
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guys were singing the uh, you know, seventh inning stretch,
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like I kind of like sang it with you or
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just like watch you guys, and it said and you
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guys said root root root for the And I'm just
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naturally accustomed to say the Cubbies if they don't win,
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it's a ship, Like I said, Cubbies, while you guys
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sang it. While I watched you guys sing it, I was,
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you know, being the the diehard that I am thought
545
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that if I was ever, if I was going to
546
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make this initially when I was supposed to make it,
547
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.240
I was thinking, I'm going to wear a cup shirt
548
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underneath Mike Cardinals jersey as I throw out the first pitch.
549
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Like that's the fucked up shit that I think about.
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But uh, you know, that's that's why.
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This is why to me, I've look, I have friends
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who they see me gallivanting around going to this game
553
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and this game, and I'm always wearing all the team stuff,
554
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and they're always like, you know, you're such a poser,
555
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:32.960
like whatever, how do you not whatever? And I go,
556
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I go, look like, do I have teams that I
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like and support?
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Yes?
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Okay, first of all, the the the awkward thing is
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here in New York. Not only do none of these
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teams hook me up with free tickets and free jerseys
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and shit like that. Uh to even go to one
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of these games with my son, you're talking about having
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to take a loan out right.
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So there's that.
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Yeah, these other teams in these other cities treat us
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like royalty. They give us the swag, and all they
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ask is that, for the most part, you either wear
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their swag or you don't wear the competing teams swag
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or their darkest rival swag, which I'm totally fine with. Now,
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the one exception, I don't know if you guys saw this,
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but now when we go out to Buffalo, we're not
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actually guests of the Bills, right. What we do is
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we partner up with Game Day Hospitality, this great company
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there that does these tailgates. We're with them and they're
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the ones who get us the postfield game field passes.
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Right.
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00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:24.839
So the one exception I don't know if you saw
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these pictures was last September when they played the Jaguars.
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I actually wore my Jaguars foco, you know, overalls and
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whatnot and all this stuff.
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But let me just say this. A.
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It's not like I was dressed in Jets or Patriots stuff, right,
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And then B, I don't know if you know this.
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Maybe this has happened with the Cubs over a few
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years of down years.
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When you're a Jaguars fan or you're rocking Jaguars.
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Stuff, people don't look at you as like, oh man,
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how dare they kind of feel bad for you, right,
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like they.
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Almost feel like it's almost like seeing.
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Somebody walking with a limp or something like, like they
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don't and they're not threatened, right, not to mention they
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blew us out fifty to three or whatever, but there
595
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wasn't that sort of competitive thing. The other thing and
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the other reason I felt okay doing it was last
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the year before that when we went and they played
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the Cowboys, and the Cowboys are a story franchise and
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whether you know the Bills and the Cowboys played in
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a Super Bowl or three or whatever, but like either way,
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they weren't even that mean to the Cowboys fans. And
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this tailgate company is great. They attract a lot of
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away team fans because you know, they have a great
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social media presence. They're very well advertised, and what they
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do is they actually advertise heavily to the away team
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because they know you're coming from out of town. You
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probably don't have a truck, you probably don't have the
608
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ability to tailgate yourself. Hey, why don't you come pay
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for this great, all inclusive, all you can drink, best
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food in Buffalo, wing eating contest, live band, all the shit.
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00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:52.960
So there's actually a lot of away team fans at
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their tailgates, and the Buffalo fans are very welcoming to them.
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If you notice, when you see highlights of these crazy
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Buffalo tailgates, you're not seeing people fighting.
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You don't see them throwing people through tables. They throw
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themselves through tables and.
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Like, whereas like Philly, like I would not wear the
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other team shit, regardless of who it was to Philly,
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you know, especially the Eagles. So anyway, okay, long way
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of saying, we are doing this again in just a
621
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couple of weeks here Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Derek will be throwing
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out the pitch and we're gonna be joined, of course
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by Trashelle, who's in the news. We're gonna talk about
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00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.240
her in a second. Maybe that'll be our natural segue.
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We've got Sarah Rice, the Challenge Mania Hall of Famer.
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We've got Susie Meister, the Challenge Mania Hall of Famer,
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Godfather Mark Long. We're doing that on Friday, June and
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twenty seventh. If you want to get tickets to that
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game to see the Mets take on the Pirates, I
630
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.079
believe we do have a special link you could buy
631
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:46.559
some discounted tickets are providing if you guys all want
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00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.680
to sit in the section together. And then of course
633
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.920
the following day celebrations banquet, bar and grill. Great venue,
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we've done it before. Still tickets available at all ticket levels.
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00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:58.640
We'd love to see you guys there. This is our
636
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:00.960
last time in Pittsford for problem quite some time, so
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we would love to see you guys there all afternoon.
638
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.960
I think we're gonna have some karaoke going, We're gonna
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maybe do some beer pong, a lot of fun stuff
640
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.319
in addition to I think we'll have a photo booth
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00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.559
set up for some of the VIP tickets. A lot
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00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.640
of good stuff on the twenty eight of Pittsburgh at
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celebrations tickets is always a Challengemania dot live so shouts
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everybody who came out to Saint Louis. Great vibes, great people,
645
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.279
great staff at Helium. I was able to record the show.
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00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.599
I had to do it on my cell phone, but
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I've already posted it to Patreon and people are saying
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00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.440
it sounds great. You can hear everybody perfectly, so that
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will be making its way to the podcast feed at
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some point.
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But yeah, shouts to Saint Louis, great city, great town.
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They actually had. We didn't even realize this.
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We didn't go, but they On Sunday night after the
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baseball game, there was the XFL, the XFL slash UFL,
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00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.599
the kind of other competing football league that the Rock
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partially owns. They were having their Eastern Conference championship in
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the dome that was near the hotel. A couple of
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00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.640
people nicely came and gave us some tickets or passes
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00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.559
or something, but you know, we didn't end up making it, but.
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Shouts to everybody.
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00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.759
We met some some long time challenge maniacs. For the
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00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.559
first time. Sir Darren was there. Sir Darren, very active
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00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.960
here on Patreon, got to meet him, saw some old favorites,
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your Joel's and your Ryan's and your Kristen's. Shouts to
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Kristen Ryan's wife who she was like, do you know
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00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.519
my name? And I was like, I know your Ryan's wife.
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00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.960
I feel like it'd be inappropriate for me to know
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00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.880
your name, but now I know it's Kristen. And we
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had a great time Jordan, York. We had a great
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time with everybody. Can't name everybody, obviously, but had a
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00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.960
good time. It was a great crowd and in a
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00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.880
great panel, and Wes had a lot to say about
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ud I don't know if you know that we had
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a long conversation about, uh did you see recently him
675
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.319
getting into it with Alan Geary about one of our
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00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.240
old episodes about the Dandy Jamis and stuff with the
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steroids and things.
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00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:46.559
Talked about that a little bit.
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Yeah, I mean, uh so what is he happy?
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Was he mad?
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What?
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Well?
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He went down that we you know, he kind of
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you know, re educated some people and then educated people
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about this long sort of quest he's had to just
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disprove the rumors that he was on steroids at some time.
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And he actually feels like responsible for that if, like,
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you know, people thought, oh, he's on steroids and that's
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why he's crushing it, that that's why people whether it's
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Danny Jamison or whoever followed suit.
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And he just wants people to know that, no, he's
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all natural.
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And he maybe maybe thought that you were under the
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impression that the only way he could have beaten you
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in that duel of the century was to do it
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not the old fashioned way but the unnatural way.
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And ah so yeah, well, yeah, and and and that. No,
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I mean he was probably he was in way better
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shape than I was anyway. But like, if you want
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anybody wants to revisit those I think back to back
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to back podcasts, so you can. You can go ahead
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and listen that to it to that yourself. I'm not
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gonna dive back in there or anything.
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And it really is that is.
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You guys now have played again on the Challenge several
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times since, or at least once on All Stars three.
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00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.720
He's been on the podcast, you know, a dozen times.
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He's been to our live shows. You guys have clearly
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hashed it out. But it's hard to believe that I
710
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was saying this on stage the other day back in
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twenty eighteen. Podcast is in its infancy. Were probably only
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a few months in. He slides into my DMS. He's
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telling me, oh, he's listening to the podcast. He mentioned
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00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:20.480
one hundred question Howard.
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I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, I think
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this guy that really does.
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Listen to the show. He knows some of the patron's
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names and stuff. And you I remember at the time
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your spider sense went off. You're like, now he's got
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some sort.
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Of long game. You're just not seeing it now. Trust me,
722
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:35.920
don't trust this guy. Blah blah blah. And so we
723
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:36.960
had him on the podcast.
724
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.720
I remember on the flip side, he was very worried
725
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.799
that we were gonna like edit the podcast in a
726
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.039
way that made him look bad or cut out. He's like,
727
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.039
I want to make sure that I have final cooked
728
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.640
and if I say anything and I put Dirk in
729
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.079
his place, that you're not going to remove it. And
730
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.200
I'm like, I'm like, well, we don't remove anything unless
731
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.440
it's like spoilers or this or that. I can promise
732
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.559
you that you guys both were at such odds with
733
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.680
each other. It's hard to believe it now because everybody
734
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.279
feels somewhat copasetic. But go back, look it up from
735
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.920
twenty eighteen iconic two part episode where you guys are
736
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.119
hashing out, you know, fifteen years of history or whatever
737
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.720
it was at the time, live on the air that
738
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.680
as we now know, it's worked out and you guys
739
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.960
have matured very much since. But go and listen to those.
740
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.519
I've actually had a lot of people recently, you know,
741
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.319
obviously the Adam King podcast has come up, a lot
742
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.559
of people re listening to that. But I've had a
743
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.680
lot of people reach out and they just randomly ask,
744
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.480
They go, hey, have you guys ever had Beth on?
745
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.319
And it's like, yes, we have. Just go and search
746
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.240
challenge Mania Beth and they will come up if you
747
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.720
If you go to challenge Mania podcast dot com, that'll
748
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.319
take you to our speaker page. If you go to
749
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.319
Apple Podcasts, if you go to Spotify, wherever you guys
750
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.440
get your podcasts. Every podcast we've ever done exists there
751
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.759
in perpetuity for you to enjoy. So if you're ever
752
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.119
wondering have they ever had landed On? Just search challenge
753
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.160
Mania Landon. It will come up. Yes, we have had
754
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.680
them on your autins, your you know, people, a lot
755
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:57.920
of people who you would think, oh, maybe they never
756
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.880
talked to them, we have talked to now. Granted, there
757
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.119
are still some white whales out there we've never spoken to.
758
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.240
We're talking to some of them now and hopefully they'll
759
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.960
be coming on. But but you'd be surprised. And that's
760
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.799
the thing is that some of these folks who we
761
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.039
only maybe had on once, but it was a good one,
762
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.880
you know, you got to go and find it. Julie
763
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.400
Stoefer is another one, go and find that Joe Rhodes.
764
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.200
That's another one. So I like to think that a
765
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.759
lot of these interviews we've done, especially with those kinds
766
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.920
of folks, they're very evergreen interviews, right, Like, they're not
767
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.039
you know, the new podcasting norm is, let's have somebody
768
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.200
on to talk about the episode that just aired on Wednesday,
769
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.319
you know. And while that's great and all, and while
770
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.079
it's somewhat necessary, being that some of the times you've
771
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.200
had these people on, you know, a dozen times, and
772
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.759
that is sort of one way to cover podcasts and
773
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.000
shows and things. We sort of do our episode breakdowns
774
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.799
as one thing, and then we also do our guest interviews,
775
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.920
at least the majority of them, in a way where
776
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.799
hopefully you can go back and listen to something even
777
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.279
seven years later and it feels like it was recorded
778
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:53.000
three days prior.
779
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.400
So all right, yeah, well, it's hard to do when
780
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.279
you've interviewed people three, four, five and six times, you know,
781
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.720
So those those one offs, like like Beth and like
782
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.719
all her you know, trying to figure out why I
783
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.239
don't like her, why you know, the beef between her
784
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.920
and Veronica and this and this person and that person
785
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.239
and her trying to figure out why people don't like her,
786
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.039
and me trying to figure out the best way to
787
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.159
to tell her why I didn't like it was. It's
788
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.519
all just kind of like difficult but awesome at the
789
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.079
same time. Same thing with the with the Wes interview.
790
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.559
Even you know, the Adam King interview was just absolutely
791
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.559
wild because of what we know about p Did he now?
792
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.639
But my question to you is about Frank. You just
793
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:38.880
had him in Saint Louis and and I guess, Wes,
794
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.159
what's what's what was his uh kind of you know demeanor?
795
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.119
Feel like did he enjoy the vibe? I know you
796
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.400
said he was in and out? Uh, you know, I
797
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.079
know that he seems like he's never gonna come back
798
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.440
to the Challenge. Just seemed kind of like, you know,
799
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.320
you know, one of those like if you didn't meet
800
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.119
Frank and Saint Louis this year or this time, you
801
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.679
may never meet him again. From kind of like you know,
802
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.400
the sounds of how he's going to approach the rest
803
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.599
of the Challenge universe.
804
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.280
Well, let me say this, So Frank announced this on stage,
805
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.800
so everybody there heard this, and then obviously anyone who
806
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.480
listens to the podcast still here this so I'm not
807
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.519
breaking any news entirely. Is that so him and his
808
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:21.679
husband are in the process of put getting embrios together
809
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.840
to have a baby. And that is a very long
810
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.400
process for a gay couple. You know, It's sad but
811
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.119
true that it involves a lot more moving parts and
812
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.920
a lot more steps, and you have to set up
813
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.480
a lot of things and whatnot even to you know,
814
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.880
have a surrogate and implant them and this and that whatever,
815
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.280
and it's like a multi year process.
816
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.679
It's one that's very taxing, both financially emotionally. This and
817
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.559
that he.
818
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.639
Himself physically cannot do a lot of things that you know,
819
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.440
maybe spending a weekend with challenge Mania, you might get nudged.
820
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.679
You know, you're not allowed to You can't drink coffee,
821
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.119
he can't drink booze. You know, all this stuff that
822
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.519
you got to make sure that you're all physically right
823
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.280
to even be able to stash these embryos that end
824
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.599
up getting implanted and things like that. Again, stuff that
825
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.760
I assume obviously the average person and people have to
826
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:07.280
worry about.
827
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.719
But obviously when you know that.
828
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.440
In a lot of places, and you know they live
829
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.400
in Texas and things like that, where it's like any
830
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.920
excuse that I'm sure people can have to move you
831
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.960
further down the line, or to say no or to
832
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.320
not allow you to do what you want to do.
833
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.000
So we're rooting for them, and obviously I think that's
834
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.840
part of the reason. In addition to very busy work schedules,
835
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.679
Frank's got a great career. His husband ironically has a
836
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.639
great career, and he was they were like ships passing.
837
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.679
He was coming into Saint Louis to do some work
838
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.679
as well the following day, so these guys, and I
839
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.559
will say this, so he had a great time. I
840
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.360
think everybody he met, I think he was, you know,
841
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.440
was very pleased with a lot of the reaction. As
842
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.159
we know, a lot of the people who are mean
843
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.880
online either don't come to these or when they do,
844
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.079
they completely put on a nice face, or they come
845
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:47.960
home saying, oh, I don't know why I hated this person.
846
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.159
They're great in person. So I know he had a
847
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.840
great time for the seven or so hours that he
848
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.760
was with us. But I will say as far as
849
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.960
the challenge goes, I do think that Frank, and this
850
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.079
is probably the only way Frank wants to do it,
851
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.440
which I get, and we talked a lot about this
852
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.679
on stage, about how he was definitely one of, if
853
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.000
not these stars of All Stars. He did it in
854
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.079
a way where he clearly, you know, both in the
855
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.800
moment and after the fact, you know, was at odds
856
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.480
with a few people on the show, relationships that didn't
857
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.039
necessarily go well on the show, and then after the
858
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.760
fact having to deal with either those people directly or
859
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.079
those people's fans or just fans of the show who,
860
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.559
as we know, like to get down and dirty online,
861
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.519
like to get mean and spiteful and things like that.
862
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.960
And I do think that Frank may have I don't
863
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.239
know if he underestimated it or now he's just kind
864
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.599
of coming to terms with the fact that it is
865
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.800
hard to tread the line of Hey, I want to
866
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.000
be a working professional who works in you know, the
867
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.679
medical field and as a consultant and does physical therapy
868
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.320
and all this stuff and has a real job and
869
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.000
all this stuff, but I also want to be the
870
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.039
biggest villain on a reality show with a fan base
871
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.760
of hundreds of thousands of people who will say and
872
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.280
do nasty stuff both to you and directly at you.
873
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.880
Online and who knows where the line is of how
874
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:04.679
far they're going to go.
875
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:14.239
So I do think he might have.
876
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.880
Flown a little too close to the sun with this
877
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.880
season as far as, like, you know, transitioning back to
878
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.280
real life. I think he may have underestimated, both cast
879
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.239
member and fan wise how much it would sort of
880
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.840
get toxic and how quickly that would happen. And you know, again,
881
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.800
when you have a very important real world life to
882
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.880
go back to, both professionally and now personally with everything
883
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.519
they're working towards with having the baby, you know, it
884
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.719
can be scary to be like, Okay, do I want
885
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.360
to be doing this? While also there are, for lack
886
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.000
of a better way of putting it, a lot of
887
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.039
people that are out to get me, you know, And
888
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.320
that can be on the cast member level, where you know,
889
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.559
you have a rough time with the cast member who's
890
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.400
out to get you, and then by nature their fans
891
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:55.079
are out to get you.
892
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:56.480
And then also this like.
893
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.440
Fans who whether they are truly out to get you
894
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.159
or not, the comments and the and this and that
895
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.000
really make it feel like they are. So I think
896
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.679
I do believe Frank for a while now, at least
897
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.119
probably till they get through this process. I do think
898
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.000
he had a very fulfilling experience on All Stars five.
899
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:13.920
There's not really a great what if other than the
900
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.559
partner thing. Someone I think asked him, actually would he
901
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.400
want to do it if it was individual because I think,
902
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:20.840
you know, you could read through the he leaves there.
903
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.760
Does he kind of blame Sam for not being able
904
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.519
to get the job done at the end, And no,
905
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.960
I just think for now he's good, He's done. He's
906
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.480
probably going to dissans himself from it.
907
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.880
For a while. This was probably the last hurrah.
908
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.760
If I had to guess, he probably said yes to
909
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.440
this not knowing how much sort of further he would
910
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.280
feel for minute the time, And kudos to him to
911
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:39.960
not like, you know, wind a cancel or anything like that.
912
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:40.760
But if you.
913
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.519
Remember, Derek, I don't know if you remember or if
914
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.599
you were as plugged in at this time, but for
915
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.400
the first you know, at least seven episodes, maybe even
916
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.519
through the whole season, Frank was doing his own Instagram
917
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.880
lives on Wednesdays that essentially functioned as a podcast where
918
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.199
he would have he'd bring in either Ashley or Nicole
919
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.519
or Big T or whomever and they would do like
920
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.559
a kind of a four way live breakdown of the
921
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.639
episode every Wednesday, so he was full on in like,
922
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.000
not even just with the episodes that were airing, he
923
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.960
was doing his own deep dives after and then somewhere
924
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.880
along the way it got toxic enough where he shut
925
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.079
down his Twitter, stopped doing the Instagram lives. He went
926
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.079
and did the Zach Nichols podcast, but other than that
927
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.360
has not really been out there and accessible at all
928
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.800
up until last Saturday.
929
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.320
So kudos to him for coming.
930
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:27.920
I think he had a great time, But I do
931
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.800
think that this experience was a bit of maybe a
932
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.920
wake up call for him that it might not be
933
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.199
possible to exist in this world with the role that
934
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.320
he wants to exist in, which is sort of like lead, heel, villain,
935
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.920
whatever you want to call it, and also be able
936
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.159
to just you know shut you know, shut your eyes,
937
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.239
wake up the next day and now you're living a
938
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:47.360
regular life like that.
939
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.239
That line is hard to tread these days.
940
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.079
Yeah, No, I mean we see it all the time,
941
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.599
and like you said, it's very underestimated. Unless you've like
942
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.400
felt the fire, you don't know what it feels like
943
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.880
for people to come after you. And shit on you
944
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.360
and you know, talk about your family and and and
945
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.719
come after you and in that kind of way. And then,
946
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.280
like you said, you go to sleep, and I thinking
947
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.679
about that fucked up thing that that one person said
948
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.679
that you probably shouldn't really care about because they're, you know,
949
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.480
just some angry, spiteful person in the middle of nowhere
950
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.920
that has like a you know, is angry at the world.
951
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.360
And you're taking that, you know, into bed at night
952
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.599
and you're thinking about it, and you're losing sleep over it,
953
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.320
and it's affecting you in your daily life. Now, imagine
954
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:33.000
getting like thirty of those comments or hundreds of those comments,
955
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.719
like and then you have to live like that, Like
956
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.599
people really don't know what it's like to, you know,
957
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.679
come off these shows after being there for X amount
958
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.679
of time and going through this like anxiety ridden game,
959
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.920
and then having to relive it and and relive your
960
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.199
mistakes and maybe relive some of the things that you
961
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.920
really don't like about yourself. But you're putting on an
962
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.400
act or trying to be lead heel or something like that,
963
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.039
and you're like, Wow, I think I maybe bit off
964
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.719
more than I could chew with this one. And you know,
965
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:05.360
maybe took it too far. I don't know if I
966
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.400
can do this again or however many times I can.
967
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.280
Well, it's also it's probably the I mean, look, here's
968
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:11.199
the thing, like we saw.
969
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.599
People shut down. That's why people shut down their twitters
970
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.440
and and take social media breaks and stuff like that,
971
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.039
because it becomes overwhelming. People are nasty out there.
972
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.800
Well, so okay, I'm gonna draw parallel here to something
973
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.639
I assume most people listening to this watched last week
974
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.320
live before our eyes on social media. No matter what
975
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.400
side of the aisle you sit on, I think everybody
976
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.639
probably watched as Donald Trump and Elon Musk's relationship crumbled
977
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.559
and then immediately went to Twitter to get nasty, toxic,
978
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:39.079
and dirty.
979
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:40.079
The only reason I.
980
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.599
Mentioned it is because didn't it remind you of a
981
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.960
challenge like Twitter war? The idea that we're sitting here
982
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.519
and we watched the like, whether it's the you know,
983
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.039
I'll just throw a couple of names out here, but
984
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.119
they've all been involved in them, whether it's the Jemmy's
985
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.239
or the Amanda's, or the Marie or the Cory's, or
986
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.519
the Jordan's or even the whomever, the Derek's or the
987
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.400
Who's ever and like where it goes to deaf Con
988
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.000
five so quickly right where it goes from hey you
989
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.519
said this, you said that, and then that first person
990
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.199
goes for the juggular where they drop their version of
991
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.119
the hey guess what so and so's in the Epstein files, boom,
992
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.320
drop the mic whatever, And it's like, how.
993
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:17.639
By the way, you're a child molester.
994
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.800
How quickly it goes from right, How quickly it goes
995
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.159
from hey, I don't like that bill that you push through.
996
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:25.519
To that right?
997
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.119
And it reminded me of that because it reminded me
998
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.159
that in two ways, which is which is one the
999
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.239
challengers and the reality fans and and everybody always do
1000
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.199
that right where they go from they go from oh
1001
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.800
you didn't look good on camera, or that elimination was
1002
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.519
bad to all of a sudden like oh, that's why
1003
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.760
you're getting a divorce or whatever, and they go to
1004
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.800
that line. And then once they go there, the next
1005
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.599
person now has to go, oh, well, you must be
1006
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.000
on drugs or this or that or whatever, and then
1007
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.880
and then we're all just sitting here, and because there's
1008
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.519
no other way to do it, you're kind of sitting
1009
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.679
there with one eye open, you're cringing. But a lot
1010
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.400
of people sit there with the bowl of popcorn to
1011
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.239
say fee yeah or Phoebe Moore, we love.
1012
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.320
This yeah, And there's no emotional attachment.
1013
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:03.679
Yeah, And there's.
1014
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.559
No going back after that, Like that's the thing, and
1015
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.320
sometimes there is and like, look, there's a long list
1016
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.400
of relationships that have gone up and down and this
1017
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.199
and that where you're like, wow, how could you guys
1018
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.280
possibly be friends after this person said this or this person.
1019
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:15.880
Said that and whatnot.
1020
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.679
But sadly, with reality TV, a lot of people feel
1021
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.159
like it's their right to just sit back and whether
1022
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.639
they're looking through the lens or the screen of the
1023
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.119
television when the show's on, or the screen of their
1024
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.159
phone or their computer watching on social media, that people's
1025
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.679
disputes and their hate and their insults are sort of
1026
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:33.320
all for their.
1027
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.840
Entertainment and that because of that, you know, it is. Look,
1028
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.239
it's like whether.
1029
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.800
You're you know, having some of the most important positions
1030
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.920
in the world and you own billion dollar companies and
1031
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.320
you're responsible for taking people to Mars or you're the
1032
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.559
president of the United States, like people are just gonna
1033
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.159
sit back and watch you implode with a back of
1034
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.079
popcorn in their hand, and they're gonna do that, whether
1035
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.599
you go back to you know, running your own podcasts
1036
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.360
or being a personal trainer, or you're a you know,
1037
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.400
very you know, a student professional, whether it's physical therapists
1038
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:03.960
who's trying to have a baby and this and that,
1039
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.920
and so when everyone's sort of rooting against you and
1040
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.719
rooting for your life to crumble and maybe sliding into
1041
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.480
that person's DMMS to say, hey, you know what Frank
1042
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:14.639
said to you on that podcast about you on the podcast, Like.
1043
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.719
People are trying to fuel the fire as much as
1044
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:17.559
they can, you know.
1045
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.840
And then and they can't wait for a response too.
1046
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.400
And once you give him a response, they that that,
1047
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:24.440
you know, that's just.
1048
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.719
I saw Nurice did so Nourice, who we love.
1049
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:31.239
Nurice shouts and nourise so she uh, she responded to
1050
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.679
one of my tweets. But but also I saw her
1051
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.800
just going just going in on someone.
1052
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.639
She responded pretty nicely to mine. I was just clarifying.
1053
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.159
I don't know if you I don't know if you
1054
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.079
saw this, but uh, I guess Erasio was posting that
1055
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.920
he feels like, you know, how outspoken he was last
1056
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.800
year about your guys elimination and this and that and
1057
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.960
the other thing. And look, he did, I think he
1058
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.840
did cross a few lines when it comes to that
1059
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.719
last year. You know, they don't love people going out
1060
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:58.880
there and accusing things of being rigged or this or
1061
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.320
that and the other thing. And if you go back
1062
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.880
and read that Entertainment Weekly interview, he did sort of
1063
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.000
imply that, if not flat out say it. And look,
1064
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.639
we've talked about before. It won Podcast of the Year
1065
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.760
him coming on the podcast. You guys watching the footage,
1066
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.440
it all got cleared up, but you don't know how
1067
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.840
much they care about those initial statements that he made
1068
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.800
and then Nurice made and things like that. He I
1069
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.440
think posted publicly that he hasn't been called for the
1070
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.000
challenge since. And all I said was that, I mean,
1071
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.920
you guys were on season forty. There's only been one
1072
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.880
season since. It is not uncommon that people are given one,
1073
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.920
if not two, if not three seasons off. And all
1074
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.639
I was saying is, without giving away too much, there
1075
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.199
are not a lot of people in Erassio's bucket. And
1076
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.039
when I say that, I mean people from Erasio's season
1077
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.159
or season or two later, or people from season thirty nine.
1078
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.599
If you want to say like that, that are gonna
1079
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.519
be on season forty one. So all I said was
1080
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.480
he shouldn't take it personally, and he probably shouldn't double
1081
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.880
down and make it worse even say that part I
1082
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.079
just said. I just said, look, not a lot of
1083
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.679
people from Arasio's generation around season forty one. He should
1084
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.960
take it personally. And then Nurse kind of I don't
1085
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.880
want to say clap back, but responded saying, like you know,
1086
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:11.440
he wasn't.
1087
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:13.320
He wasn't. He's not taking it personally. He was just
1088
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.840
stating the facts. Okay. But I did see her out
1089
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:16.920
there going after.
1090
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.199
Some other woman, and I know if you saw this
1091
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.519
back and forth where you know they're posted, people said
1092
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.960
each other, she's talking about this person's ugly in this
1093
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.639
and take your no, take your maga ass back to wherever,
1094
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:28.639
and blah blah blah.
1095
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.880
And and so again.
1096
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:31.760
And that's her right to do so, because then I've
1097
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.519
said this before I go. Do not say something in
1098
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.719
the reise if you're not ready for her to clap
1099
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.000
back at you going out of miles out, because she will.
1100
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.840
But I do think that you know, we foll look, okay,
1101
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.840
let's transition into this Trachelle Jordan, Johnny Josh thing, because
1102
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.960
this is one that I think bordered on I don't
1103
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.480
think it ever got fully toxic, but this had everything
1104
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.159
that people look for in one of these like social
1105
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.079
media drama things, because it was some of it was
1106
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.000
in video form, right, some of it was in nice
1107
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.719
block sort of response for him, clapback for him. I
1108
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.559
actually heard rumors that Trachelle had her own video clapback
1109
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.599
that she was advised not to throw out there because
1110
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:10.239
it would have just been a it would have been
1111
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.159
an end all. She would have she would have crashed him.
1112
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.559
But either way, here's to summarize. So, Jordan, mister outspoken
1113
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.119
as he often is, came out recently and was talking
1114
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.920
about how the Challenge has been in the Gods if
1115
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.559
you will have been kind of standing in his way,
1116
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.360
and that he's had teams of other shows flat out
1117
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.199
say that they've reached out to the Challenge Gods and
1118
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.679
been told, no, you can't use Jordan.
1119
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.559
Effectively, we owned Jordan.
1120
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.199
Johnny had sort of a joking clapback, you know, joking
1121
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.199
you know about you know, not being able to do
1122
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.880
the Mormon Wives show, and then and then uh, and
1123
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.000
then as we know, not to say this disproves what
1124
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.400
Jordan is saying, but Josh, who also appeared on season
1125
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.559
forty just you know, had a cup of coffee on
1126
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.079
Destination X. Unfortunately he didn't make it to Destination B
1127
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:57.760
or C or D. I think he lost in the
1128
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.400
first episode.
1129
00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.119
But he was on it.
1130
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.840
And there are other cast members out there filming other
1131
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.960
shows we can't talk about right now, and it's been
1132
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:09.199
very widely discussed that Ashley Mitchell, who not only was
1133
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.280
on All Stars five but I can say in general,
1134
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.239
is just very much probably in the thick of an
1135
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.360
exclusivity deal with the challenge is being allowed to do
1136
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.880
how civilians in a way where how Civilians does something
1137
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.000
a lot of shows don't do. They announced their cast
1138
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.280
two weeks ago. They haven't even filmed yet, so that
1139
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.840
is right before the taking. If they wanted to step
1140
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.639
in and say, hey, actually no, you can't do that,
1141
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.119
they could do that, right They haven't even started filming yet,
1142
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:34.840
and clearly she's getting a green light to do that.
1143
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.960
So whether this is specific to him or on a
1144
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:39.760
case by case basis, I don't know if that makes
1145
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.039
it better or worse. Jordan feels like he has had
1146
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.840
some opportunities walk out the door because of the way
1147
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:53.760
the challenge God's treat him.
1148
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.519
Trichelle steps in. She had just a kind of paraphrase.
1149
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.199
She said, Hey, look, honey, I've been doing this the
1150
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.840
early two thousands when I was the first person to
1151
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.440
transition from MTV onto other shows like you know, the
1152
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.000
Surreal Life and World Series of Poker and all these
1153
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.000
other shows. And they did not like it at the time,
1154
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.679
but that is not how the world works, and they
1155
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.960
they eventually you know, you can do it if you
1156
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:16.679
do it the right way.
1157
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.519
She also, of course, famously did get to do Traders.
1158
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.159
I'm pretty sure she wasn't on an exclusivity at the time,
1159
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.199
but she brought in. She was brought in, she did Traders,
1160
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.000
and I will say, as sort of the ultimate mic
1161
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.159
drop of it is that here she she won Traders.
1162
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.119
She did as well as you could do on Traders
1163
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.880
alongside CT and they represented the challenge well.
1164
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.440
Johnny Bananas also on that season. Yeah.
1165
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.280
He then gets back at Trichelle saying, you know, you're
1166
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.559
kind of irrelevant. Now nobody knows who you are. You
1167
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.119
starts counting her followers. How did you win Traders? You
1168
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.719
only have X amount of followers. You know, He's been
1169
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:48.920
in a ton of Tyler Perry movies and done TV
1170
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.440
and this and that, which again, you know again is
1171
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.480
definitely true. He's a very accomplished person, does a lot
1172
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:56.440
of things outside of the Challenge world. He just for
1173
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.719
fun decided to become a race car driver. And so
1174
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.480
where do you sit on this? Because I've talked about
1175
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.239
it at linked on various Challenge Accepted podcasts and whatnot,
1176
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.199
a lot of other cast members have stepped in and
1177
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:08.440
given their kind of two cents.
1178
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:09.800
Where do you stand on this?
1179
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.480
I know obviously you're someone you don't like to rock
1180
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.719
the boat, but when you watch all this transpire, what
1181
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.960
went through your head?
1182
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.679
Well, well, you know, Trichelle and Jordan are kind of like,
1183
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.960
you know, the goats of their era in some ways,
1184
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.679
except Trochelle's been doing it for much longer. Jordan is
1185
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.679
kind of like the goat now. And what Chrischelle has
1186
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.559
basically proved is that you can do whatever you want, Jordan.
1187
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.599
You can you can piss off production and go on
1188
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.760
and do whatever you want. And I understand he's saying
1189
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.840
they're not letting me do whatever I want. Well, wait
1190
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.159
that you're out or whatever it is, whatever your contractual
1191
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:53.239
obligation is, wait it out. Do what she did, get
1192
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.440
on all these other shows, Do it how you want,
1193
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.599
and say goodbye to the challenge and don't come back.
1194
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:01.559
It's it's okay. Trochelle did it. And then when Trichelle
1195
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.199
was asked back to come do All Stars, she did
1196
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:05.880
do All Stars. And then once she got asked back
1197
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.280
to do future challenges, she said no. Why did she
1198
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.360
say no? Because she wanted to get paid more money
1199
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:17.400
and whatever they're offering is what they offer, you know,
1200
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:22.559
the tear system. She felt she she was worth more,
1201
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:23.880
so she said no.
1202
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.599
So if Jordan wants to say no, you know, continue
1203
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.920
to you know, be the you know, the the beacon
1204
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.159
that that says, you know, production is wrong.
1205
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.639
They're doing this wrong, they're doing that wrong, just like
1206
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.719
any other workplace. Then I guess you go find another
1207
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.719
job and keep racing cars and keep making movies and
1208
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.159
you know, keep doing what you're doing. I think that
1209
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:52.440
Trischelle is basically the one that showed people that that
1210
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:56.239
can be done, from Real World to Surreal Life to
1211
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.480
all the other shows she's done in the past twenty
1212
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.199
five years to just recently twenty five years later, she's
1213
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.400
doing Traders, the show that you want to be on,
1214
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:14.119
and she's winning it. So it's like she actually has
1215
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.760
the trump card. She it won the show that you
1216
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.280
want to get on that you can't get on in
1217
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.119
this moment right now. Yes, Jordan is the Challenge go
1218
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.000
He's been and he's so outspoken against the Challenge and
1219
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.239
some of the things that they're not doing you know,
1220
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.320
properly or inconsistently or whatever. But to be honest, like
1221
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.679
the show's been the Challenge has been on for forty seasons,
1222
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:44.159
right like, they're going to continue to evolve, make things better,
1223
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:48.400
make you know, you know, probably find ways to you
1224
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.760
know again, make you know, make things more comfortable. I
1225
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.079
go on these situations like and I you know, maybe
1226
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:58.960
I don't agree with a lot of you know, some things, right,
1227
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.280
but I'm not gonna go out there and you know, basically,
1228
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.519
bite the hand that feeds me and has fed me
1229
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.400
for twenty years, that has its.
1230
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:11.519
Actually actually for you, for you, And what's interesting is
1231
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.519
you are in either even a different boat where you know,
1232
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.800
the phrase that was actually was used on stage this week,
1233
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.760
bite the hand that feeds you. That that I will say,
1234
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:21.880
the bite the hand that feeds you in that Okay,
1235
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.800
you do the challenge. When you do the challenge, they
1236
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.599
feed you literally figuratively and also with money.
1237
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:27.039
But also with you.
1238
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.519
They are also allowing you to feed yourself in a
1239
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:33.039
way where, if they wanted to, they could make this
1240
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.239
operation we have harder than it is for us already. Right,
1241
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.360
it's already hard to it's already hard to book guests
1242
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:41.559
to do this already.
1243
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:41.840
Right.
1244
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.199
That's just based on scheduling, availability, interests, et cetera.
1245
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:46.960
It would be a lot harder.
1246
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.639
If they sent out one fucking email and may and
1247
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.199
and and said, Hey, just so you know, we don't
1248
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:52.719
want you do in the challenge media podcasts.
1249
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.280
If you do, we're gonna be upset with you. They
1250
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.159
don't do that. Why do they not do that?
1251
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.159
A They probably value what we do here. B they
1252
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.840
probably like you. And see, they don't think that we're
1253
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.079
out here complaining about them in the show the whole time.
1254
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.079
So the fact that he's out there almost exclusively when
1255
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.559
talking about the challenge, he's doing it negatively, and he's
1256
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:12.119
doing it in a way that's a lot of behind
1257
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.480
the curtain stuff like, he's probably not high on their
1258
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.880
list of people they want to make exceptions for, right
1259
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.079
Ashley Mitchell, If I have to guess, it's probably a
1260
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:24.000
mixture of because Ashley is the one example where I
1261
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.760
would go she's sort of more like Jordan than you
1262
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.159
in that when she's out there talking like she was
1263
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.840
just talking after All Stars, she was complaining about Anissa
1264
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:34.960
and Torri getting the episodes early and things like that.
1265
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:36.920
She's kind of a squeaky wheel in her own right.
1266
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.519
She's not someone who treads the line, plays the line
1267
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:41.719
like you do. But what I will say with her
1268
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.719
is I do think that there's a bit of a
1269
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.559
gender inequality thing when it comes to the optics of
1270
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.920
who gets to do these other shows. And right now
1271
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.880
it looks like Johnny gets to do whatever he wants,
1272
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.000
Wes gets to do whatever he wants, Mark ct and
1273
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.360
then occasionally you get at Trischelle. But Trischelle was not
1274
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.039
on an exclusivity when she did Traders. There's not a
1275
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.920
lot of women out there representing the challenge on a
1276
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.119
lot of these shows. So I do think part of
1277
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:05.960
the reason that Ashley got the green light for that
1278
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.360
is on one hand, they're probably like, do we want
1279
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.679
Ashley out there complaining like Jordan is no? And also
1280
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.679
do we want it out there? Do we want the
1281
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:18.679
optics of However, it is that Johnny and Wes and ct.
1282
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.159
And I know that a lot of it has to
1283
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.199
do with the savvy nature of their contracts to begin
1284
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.320
with and the people who represent them. Do we want
1285
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:25.880
it to look to the naked eye like we only
1286
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.159
let guys go and do this stuff? And the answer is,
1287
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.480
I can tell you I can speak for them. No,
1288
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.440
they don't want that because that is a shitty look.
1289
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.559
And so I think they're getting more open to some
1290
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:35.639
of these opportunities.
1291
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:36.440
I do know.
1292
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.280
I don't know if she's doing season four as well,
1293
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.639
but I know the woman who show ran season three
1294
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.559
of How Civilians? Was it season two or three? No,
1295
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.960
this is season three, so season two House Civilians. The
1296
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.559
showrunner is someone who has done every season of the
1297
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.559
Challenge for the last twelve years, and then she went
1298
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.000
over to do House Civilians. I'm sure there's probably a
1299
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.960
little bit of synergy there as well.
1300
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:57.800
And then when it comes to.
1301
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.360
Traders, it's one of those things where like, here's the
1302
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.840
other thing Trichelle did flat out say, and this is
1303
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.719
where I do think your mileage can vary how much
1304
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.639
you agree with everything she said. She said she doesn't
1305
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.159
believe that they were even interested in him, that he's
1306
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:13.320
not the kind of guy.
1307
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:14.800
The Traders would want, et cetera, et cetera.
1308
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.840
I disagree there because I do think that Traders wants
1309
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.400
big names, right, they want people who have succeeded in
1310
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.280
the world of a show. Yes, do they want great
1311
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.599
characters and people who would be good on Traders, Sure,
1312
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.719
But do I think that they would be more apt
1313
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.719
or more eager to take a Jordan, who has probably
1314
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.440
the best challenge resume of all time, and especially once
1315
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.360
you've already used Johnny ct West, et cetera. I think
1316
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.800
they would be more interested in a Jordan than let's say,
1317
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.639
a Devin, or let's say like someone's sort of a
1318
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.039
savvier social player who might even be better suited for Traders,
1319
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.760
because I do think they want like the best of
1320
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:55.039
the best, right, like they brought in Jeremy Collins from Survivor.
1321
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.800
You know, I think that. So I do disagree there.
1322
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.320
I do wholeheartedly leave that he's someone who would have
1323
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:04.039
been on their short list and whatnot. But I also
1324
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.199
do agree with Jordan in the sense that I do
1325
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:13.320
think that, like, it's possible that if somehow along the way,
1326
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.559
when he was on their list, someone reminded them, hey,
1327
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.239
you know, he's still on an exclusivity or whatever, do
1328
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.360
they then move him further down the list because they
1329
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.480
don't want to have to deal with the smoke if
1330
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.280
it's going to be there. That's also possible too. He's
1331
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.199
not the first person know to claim that this is
1332
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.639
the reason they're not on Traders. I don't think it's
1333
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.360
as simple as that. I think there's about fifty people
1334
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:36.639
that they think about and when they, you know, weed
1335
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:38.840
it down to twenty people. I think some of it
1336
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:40.599
is are they willing to do it for the money
1337
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.719
we're offering, are they completely free of any contractual obligations,
1338
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:46.800
or have they gotten the official sign off from their
1339
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:47.519
other employer.
1340
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:49.639
I think this stuff matters a little bit.
1341
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:51.840
I just don't think it's the end all be all,
1342
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.039
And I also think that Jordan it would behove him
1343
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.920
to probably look into his next whether it's with the
1344
00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:58.800
Challenge or whoever.
1345
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.840
He should probably look at it the.
1346
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.599
Way that Johnny and Wes and CT and some of
1347
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:04.960
these other people have looked at it because clearly they
1348
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:08.039
have different terms than he does, and he is certainly
1349
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:11.280
on the level of those guys. It's just he seems
1350
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:14.039
to be the one guy who's on that, like you know,
1351
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:18.159
Mount Rushmore of Challenge success and notoriety, who still like
1352
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:21.159
sort of acts like Paulie on social media when it
1353
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:22.760
comes to the like complaining about why I.
1354
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.159
Didn't get this or why I didn't get that.
1355
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.480
And it's like what those other guys have in common
1356
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.239
in addition to winning the show a lot, being very popular,
1357
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.559
having good standing with the Challenge gods is you rarely
1358
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:33.639
see them complaining.
1359
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.360
Like you don't see Johnny Bananas complaining.
1360
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.840
You don't see the old fashioned way at least you
1361
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.920
see him taking subtle digs. You see him kind of
1362
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.480
doing whatever he wants out there, sometimes spoiling the show
1363
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:48.440
by accident, cet. You rarely see him out there complaining. Wes.
1364
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.559
Wes chose the line more than anybody. He's out there
1365
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.159
covering the shows he's not even on, you know. And
1366
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.880
so these guys know how to play the game that
1367
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.000
the non challenge game, the sort of every other day
1368
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.039
the year game a little bit better than he does.
1369
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.519
And I think it's kind of a mixture of both.
1370
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.519
But I don't agree with Rachelle that traders wouldn't be
1371
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.840
interested in Jordan, because I do think when you're going
1372
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:10.679
down the line of success on the on the show,
1373
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:12.920
he is next on that list for the mails if
1374
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:13.280
I had.
1375
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.599
Yeah, yeah, but but you wonder, like also like if
1376
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.239
if these are these other shows, watching these you know,
1377
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.079
these him getting like really upset about I don't know
1378
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.199
whatever he said the other day not eating for thirteen
1379
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.440
hours or something like that. You know what, what's the
1380
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:33.880
you know, what's what? You know, what's the full story
1381
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.280
on that? Like is he gonna do that? You know
1382
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.719
with these shows? Is he going to do that to
1383
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.199
them if like they he doesn't like something that they
1384
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.719
did or however they you know, run their their their
1385
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.760
operation and and yeah, I guess the rebuttal would be,
1386
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:51.519
while I'm not talking shit about all these other shows,
1387
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.960
just this one, the one that's paid me the most money,
1388
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.119
the one that's you know, essentially yes, put me through
1389
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.679
the most, but also you know paid maybe paid me
1390
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.119
the most, right in a sense. So it's I also.
1391
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.079
Think that these shows don't. I mean, like dark you.
1392
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:08.639
Wonder, I don't know, I don't know how, you don't
1393
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:10.679
know how deep they're they're looking to it. Love Island
1394
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.880
just had to, you know, just kicked someone off of
1395
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.840
you know, for racist rants from from years ago that
1396
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:16.920
they just found out.
1397
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:18.960
So yeah, well you know, you know, well here's how
1398
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.239
they just found out, right, So they do their deep
1399
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.679
dives and their and their social media scrubs and their
1400
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:26.199
background checks or whatever, and they do all that and
1401
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:28.199
then they green light someone they put them on the show.
1402
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.599
But until they're on the show, you don't have the
1403
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:36.679
seven hundred thousand Twitter spies out there looking to unearth
1404
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.440
every single thing that may have already been deleted but
1405
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.360
that they screenshot all the way back. So what happens
1406
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:44.840
is you notice all the time that when someone, you know,
1407
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.119
after the fact, they get announced for something and then
1408
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.400
everything comes out, is because nobody wants Nobody cares about
1409
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:55.320
potentially ruining your next job. They care about taking something
1410
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.480
away from you that you already have. So when someone
1411
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:02.159
is announced as being on something, that's when people really
1412
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.639
start doing these deep dives. Did you see this grid
1413
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:09.000
that came out some survivor super dorks came up with.
1414
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.760
It's like a spreadsheet.
1415
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:15.079
And it is color coded in blue to red or whatever,
1416
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.920
and it's every single person who's you know, they just
1417
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.880
recently announced who's going to be on Survivor fifty and
1418
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:26.119
it's every single person based on how liberal too conservative
1419
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.880
they are, or how democrat to maga they are, whatever,
1420
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.480
based on everything that they've ever said or done, or
1421
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.159
every account they follow or whatever. It is the cringiest
1422
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:45.559
thing I've ever read. It includes things like, oh, this
1423
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.840
person's favorite movie is The Bird Cage, so they must
1424
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.960
be a democrat. Like it's really weird. Things like oh,
1425
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.360
they follow this, they follow barstools, so they have a
1426
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.280
little bit red like whatever.
1427
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.360
It's like. So, yeah, it's crazy cringe stuff that they
1428
01:02:59.400 --> 01:02:59.880
just put out.
1429
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.840
But that's how much people care once you have the opportunity, right,
1430
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.039
so people try to tear you down.
1431
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:08.440
Apparently, the you know, the.
1432
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:10.360
Woman on Love Island, it was you know, some some
1433
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.559
racist tweets use the N word or something like that,
1434
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.440
and but again she was out there filming already. Once
1435
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.159
they removed her, we'll see how they treated it on
1436
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:18.719
the show. I forget if it's a live to tape
1437
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:19.280
show or whatever.
1438
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.000
But I figure it was a lot. I thought it was.
1439
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:22.519
I think this is live, you know.
1440
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.239
Is it? They film it live like Big Brothers?
1441
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.679
But yeah, but no, I know she's out, But I'm saying, like,
1442
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:28.360
I wonder if do they have enough time to just
1443
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.159
remove her completely or are they just going to have
1444
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.639
you know, the host step in and say, hey, we
1445
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.360
figured out that she you know, said whatever. But that's
1446
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:36.639
what happens when people come after you once they really
1447
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:38.559
feel like there's something to take from you. You know,
1448
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.119
when people are out the game, people don't really care
1449
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:44.920
as much as they do when they see that you're
1450
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:46.440
in the game, or you might be taking a spot
1451
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.280
from somebody they like and whatnot. But here's what I'll say, Derek,
1452
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.800
you've been in the running to do other shows that
1453
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:57.199
the opportunity presented itself. You made yourself available, right, I
1454
01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.239
remember we were you know, remember, oh shit, maybe I'm
1455
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:00.559
not even gonna be able to go of the saying hey,
1456
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:01.280
let's start looking.
1457
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.199
At flights whatever. Yeah, And then and then eventually they go, sorry,
1458
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:06.039
you know, we're gonna go with someone else there and say, okay,
1459
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:07.360
correct me if I'm wrong.
1460
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:11.239
You never actually find out they these shows would never
1461
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.639
say to you any any actual reason for why they're
1462
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.960
not using you. And to me, that includes the the
1463
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.039
the contract thing, like they very rarely say, oh, we're
1464
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.119
going with this person instead, or it's whatever. They just go, oh,
1465
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.320
wasn't a great fair. They're very broad and vague because
1466
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:27.719
they never know if they're gonna have to call you
1467
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:29.440
the next week or for the next season.
1468
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:32.760
Yeah, I mean, even even with with the challenge, it's
1469
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.280
like it's it's one of the hardest things to go through.
1470
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:37.639
That's why you know, when when you you know, talk
1471
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:40.840
about like Harasio, you know, not getting a call one
1472
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.119
for one season, or you're not being contacted since for
1473
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.159
one season, it's like a lot of us, you know,
1474
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.320
don't you know, don't come. I didn't, I wasn't there
1475
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.960
for ten seasons. I made a mark on the show
1476
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.840
and then didn't come back for ten seasons and then
1477
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:00.480
essentially did three All Stars and then come back for
1478
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.199
ten seasons later for another show. So it's like and
1479
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:07.639
and also when when they call for your availability and
1480
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.000
then you know it's it's you're two weeks away, three
1481
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.599
weeks away, and you hit them up and you're like, hey,
1482
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.679
Am I done? Am I out? Can I stop, you know,
1483
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.960
worrying about going on the show, and then they finally
1484
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.079
tell you, yeah, you're you're you're off the cast list officially,
1485
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.880
you know, it's it's a form of relief. But at
1486
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.320
the same time, they don't tell you, you know, why
1487
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.159
you know. They're not like, oh, and you always want
1488
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:36.760
to know why you know, because like, don't you think
1489
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:37.239
that in.
1490
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.000
This instance though, it's kind of a little bit of like, Okay,
1491
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:43.800
I don't doubt that he's heard through the grapevine that
1492
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.119
the challenge when asked or presented or and look, I
1493
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.360
don't even think these shows are formally like this is
1494
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.360
the thing Trichelle said that I agree with. It's like,
1495
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.639
I don't think Traders is reaching out to Survivor about
1496
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.360
getting people from Survivor. I don't think they're reaching out
1497
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.000
to people to the challenge. Gods, they're not hitting up
1498
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.199
Julie Peasy and saying, hey, can we borrow Jordan for
1499
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:02.800
a few weeks?
1500
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.519
Yeah, I think I think what happens.
1501
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:05.880
I think I think I think you're right.
1502
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.599
Yeah, I think they're reaching out to a cast member
1503
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:13.760
directly or their manager or representation and then that person
1504
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.880
is doing the due diligence of could I get in
1505
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.400
trouble for doing this? Am I still owed money from
1506
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.079
this other show that might not come to me because
1507
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:23.920
the other great what if is this? I personally never
1508
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.440
think that, whether it's MTV paramount, you know, Marie, I
1509
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.599
don't think they're ever going to actually sue a person
1510
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:31.880
for doing another show.
1511
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:32.639
No, I really don't.
1512
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.039
Yeah, but look like in Jordan's in Jordan's case, like
1513
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:39.760
they could adopt him his pain, you know, like all that.
1514
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.079
Well if he still has pay coming.
1515
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:43.039
That's my point, is I saying that they could adopted
1516
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.280
this pay for even things that he was saying, you know,
1517
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.559
during the season that he won. You know. So it's
1518
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.119
like when you want it, when you talk about like
1519
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:57.199
like appreciating what they've given you, and and then uh,
1520
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.000
you know, waiting your your your contract out, which is
1521
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.840
I think just a year. That then that's what you do.
1522
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.360
Like I think the Survivor contracts are a year. I
1523
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.079
think the Big Brother contracts a year. I think the
1524
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:10.639
Challenge contracts are a year. So and it's like it's
1525
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.360
like then just you know, just wait it out. You know,
1526
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.760
you don't have to go online and just fucking I
1527
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.119
just let everyone know how mad you are about it.
1528
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:19.639
I think it's this also think this is what I
1529
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:22.079
think about Jordan, to kind of put a bow on it.
1530
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.360
It's like, is that maybe one of several reasons why
1531
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.039
they decided to go in a different direction, you know,
1532
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:31.239
But unless he was literally had his bag packs packed
1533
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:33.599
for Scotland and thought he was on the cast and
1534
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:37.039
then and he was told verbatim, hey, we looked into it,
1535
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:39.440
you're not contractually available. We have to go with someone else.
1536
01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.639
Unless it's that, I think it's kind of also hoping
1537
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:44.800
that that's the only thing standing in your way. It
1538
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.400
could also be that, yes, that's a component to it,
1539
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:49.760
but they also found somebody who was better suited, you know,
1540
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.960
It's not like ther Look, Wes was the only Challenge
1541
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:54.360
cast member on season three.
1542
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.239
Yes, they had three on season two.
1543
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.800
But I truly believe that Trishalle was looked at more
1544
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.679
as like an MTV Real World icon, And so it's
1545
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.239
very possible that it's not really what is standing in
1546
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.280
the way of him doing Traders or these other shows,
1547
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.880
but that he's wishful thinking hoping that it's that, because
1548
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.320
that's the thing he can't control, you know, and look,
1549
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:15.159
you can't really control the other things as well. But
1550
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.880
sometimes it's just your personality or your likability, or how
1551
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:20.920
much of a squeaky wheel you sound like it. Maybe
1552
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.319
they sit there thinking, do we want this guy coming
1553
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.319
home from Scotland complain in that, you know, we put
1554
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.520
him up in a courtyard Marriott and pretend that they
1555
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:28.279
live in the castle.
1556
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.239
You know, do we really want that guy having the
1557
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:31.800
keys to our secrets? You know?
1558
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:32.479
Yeah?
1559
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.680
Secret spiller McGee over here, speaking of drama, did you
1560
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.119
see Tyree's response to our Dunbar podcast.
1561
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.119
Yeah? I was surprised because did you watch the video?
1562
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.399
Did I watch the video? I used the video? Wait
1563
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:48.520
a minute, he made a video.
1564
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.439
Oh you didn't see it. I don't think it's still up.
1565
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:53.600
But Tyree so so first he went on eight. By
1566
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:55.159
the way, I'm coining this term, he went on a
1567
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:01.000
Tyrade on on Twitter live, tweeting him listening to the episode.
1568
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.119
I will say, I'm very flattered by the fact that
1569
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:04.880
it was like two hours after we posted it, so
1570
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.359
must have Again, if I had to guess, if I
1571
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.439
had to guess, there's someone listening to this right now
1572
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.359
who probably like slid into his DMS and was like, hey,
1573
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:13.119
you need to listen to this.
1574
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:15.319
Immediately, He was.
1575
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.479
Very caught off guard by not just the way Dunbar
1576
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:20.720
was throwing him under the bus, which I will say,
1577
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.520
let me just say this now, formally, Dunbar is talking
1578
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.199
about a challenge. He threw the fact that he worked
1579
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.880
in so many digs at Tyree, talking about how Tyree's
1580
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.960
not a great athlete. Tyree an athlete, don't go in
1581
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.000
the same sentence, I didn't want to be Tyree's partner.
1582
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:36.119
I do think it's a little fucked up that, like,
1583
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.199
you're talking more about Tyree sucking when really the story
1584
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.199
is that you guys would have run through them in
1585
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.319
that elimination and maybe even had a good run on
1586
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.039
the season, and maybe you deprived Tyree of what would
1587
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:48.560
have been his best run on the challenge ever, and
1588
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.039
in the process of doing that, you're not like apologizing
1589
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:52.640
for it, You're continuing.
1590
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:54.640
Your shit on Tyree. So I completely agree with that.
1591
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.079
He was also a little bit hurt by the fact
1592
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.000
that you and I kind of sat there and kind
1593
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.319
of giggled along with him, and neither of us, you know,
1594
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:02.279
stood up for Tyree.
1595
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:08.159
It's it's also hard to like remember like what had happened.
1596
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:10.960
Well, I didn't remember it at all, but so true.
1597
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.800
But truthfully, when he put up the video of the elimination,
1598
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.600
I was like, Oh, this is what I'm gonna use. Uh,
1599
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:20.920
let me get that clip, let me get that elimination
1600
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.600
and let me get him talking about throwing the elimination,
1601
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:26.560
because you know, I do think that it's I think
1602
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:28.039
it's fucked up. I think it's fucked up that he
1603
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:32.239
threw the elimination. And you know, like again, just like
1604
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:39.239
I said, like, it smears Tyree's uh, you know, watch record.
1605
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.720
It smears it, you know, because you know this guy
1606
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.119
wanted to not play the game.
1607
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.560
Tyree's Look, it's it's tough.
1608
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:48.520
It's tough out there for this guy because look, he
1609
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.359
like I'll say it, I've said to him on the
1610
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:51.000
on the podcast.
1611
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:51.479
He knows it.
1612
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:55.199
He doesn't have the most illustrious challenge performance career. He's
1613
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.000
not someone who Look, this is what I think I
1614
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.359
I took umbrage with after the fact, and I should
1615
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:02.520
have said something in the moment, same thing Tyree probably
1616
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.800
did the whole like, oh, Tyree, an athlete, don't go
1617
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:07.359
in the same sentence, Tyree was an athlete, then he
1618
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:09.880
is an athlete. Now he's very much it works in
1619
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.039
the fitness field. Now he obviously the challenges that he
1620
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.520
took part in not very well suited for his skill set.
1621
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:18.520
And then you throw in the wildcard like this having
1622
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.560
a partner throwing it, having to be partners with.
1623
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:21.520
Jazzm and things like that.
1624
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.000
And my point is that so he is someone who
1625
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.560
is I will say, it gets a very bad look
1626
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.239
from not just cast members, but Challenge fans as well.
1627
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.399
You see people like Alanageary out there writing like you know,
1628
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:34.800
op ed saying the ten worst Challengers of all time,
1629
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:35.560
he's number one.
1630
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:36.560
And Tyree is.
1631
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.640
Someone who's very active on social media. He reads this stuff.
1632
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:42.479
I think he's a great guy. He's been on the podcast,
1633
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:44.520
he's been to live shows. So I'm saying I think
1634
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:46.319
one of us should have at least said something like,
1635
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:47.560
all right, well.
1636
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.279
Let me say here, let me say let me say here.
1637
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.760
It had dunbar, not one cutthrow, which might be the
1638
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:56.279
one of the most surprising Challenge champions ever. If Alan
1639
01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:58.960
Geary has a list, he might be at the top
1640
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:03.119
of most surprising Challenge champions. Uh, you know, he doesn't
1641
01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:05.840
really have the best track record either. He doesn't have
1642
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.640
the best win loss record. He's not one of the
1643
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:11.520
best you know, uh, you know athletes himself.
1644
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.119
You know, So you know, I think I think I
1645
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:14.760
think it was.
1646
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:18.039
Very surprising to hear how much he you know, kind
1647
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.399
of blamed or you know, said that he you know,
1648
01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:24.800
he was trying to lose and and Tyree wasn't you know, helping.
1649
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:28.119
I mean, if anything, Tyree was helping the situation because
1650
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.399
they you know, they continue to fight, and he did.
1651
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.840
So it's like, so the other video he did and
1652
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:36.760
I guess you didn't see this, So he did a
1653
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.359
video it's just him talking to the camera where he
1654
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.640
basically says he basically calls Dunbar out and is like,
1655
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:44.600
I'm you know, next time I see you, we're going
1656
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.159
to settle this in the streets. Like he's basically like, yeah, yeah,
1657
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:50.880
he doesn't call him by name, but you know, you
1658
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.640
know who's talking about. And he's like, you know, so
1659
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.039
you know, look, maybe maybe one day we get to
1660
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.800
see a Tyree versus Dunbar pol wrestle. You know, who
1661
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:01.520
knows it would be a fun one to see because
1662
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:02.880
I think you know that would that would settle a
1663
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.760
lot of debates over who costs who their next child's
1664
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:08.960
championship that day. But I will say this, I personally
1665
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:10.720
feel bad for not at least saying something along the
1666
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.079
lines of like shotsa Tyree, Tyree's a good dude, or
1667
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.039
like you know, who knows what would have happened had
1668
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.119
you not thrown that. I did say something I think
1669
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:20.479
kind of got stepped on. I said something along lines
1670
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:23.760
of that particular elimination was perfectly suited for both you
1671
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.840
and Tyree. You see how closely, how close they came
1672
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.159
to winning it, even with him letting them go by.
1673
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.439
So anyway, I understand why Tyree's is pissed as he
1674
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:35.800
is at Dunbar. He was a little pissed at us
1675
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:37.720
as well. We've since smoothed it over. I talked to
1676
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:40.159
him a little bit about it, so shouts to Tyree.
1677
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.439
All right, let's get to some questions. We have a
1678
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.920
ton of questions that we gathered over at Challengemaniacs dot com.
1679
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:47.399
I do a lot of Q and a's.
1680
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:49.800
You do not do as many these days, so we
1681
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.560
have a lot of questions directed at you. A variety
1682
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.279
of subjects are kind of all over the place, so
1683
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:56.359
we will bounce around.
1684
01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:58.359
But what's your heart out today? D how long do
1685
01:13:58.399 --> 01:13:58.640
you have?
1686
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:03.119
Well, we just got pushed out, so I got some time.
1687
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:08.279
Okay, perfect, all right, so here we go, Louise, I
1688
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.840
love this question. This is a great question given the
1689
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:15.479
cash prize of Dirty thirty, which, as we know you
1690
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.359
coming in second versus first, was a swing of four
1691
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.840
hundred and fifty thousand for Jordan all the way down
1692
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:23.680
to thirty five thousand for you, just for everyone to have.
1693
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:24.279
That on paper.
1694
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.159
If you had one Dirty thirty? Do you still think
1695
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.800
you would have started Challenge Mania? What a question by Luis.
1696
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:39.359
Love that question.
1697
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.800
Yeah, have you come home? You come home knowing?
1698
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:43.640
Okay, now I got a little nest egg here, four
1699
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.720
h fifty k coming to me. Do you still are
1700
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.479
you still motivated to start a podcast or are you
1701
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.439
more motivated that you're like I'm back in the game.
1702
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:51.359
I just want babe.
1703
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.000
No, No, I think I always had like a passion
1704
01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:02.840
to like break down sports. I love to analyze my
1705
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:08.039
son's football games, my son's basketball games, like like I
1706
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:12.640
record every single play, Like I'm that dad that records
1707
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:16.000
every single play, and I go, look, here's how you
1708
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:17.840
could have made this play better. This is what you
1709
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:20.439
did well on this play. This is where you messed
1710
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:22.159
up on this play. This is how you can get
1711
01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:26.880
better on this play. So just growing up playing football, baseball, basketball,
1712
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.000
you know, in high school captain of all three teams,
1713
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:36.439
got an Athlete of the Year honor award my senior year,
1714
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.000
and going on to walk onto a college baseball and
1715
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:45.960
basketball team in college as a smaller guy that got
1716
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.800
time and played at very high levels. Like I love
1717
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.640
this shit like I love sports. And that's why I
1718
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:58.159
appreciate being able to still step on the field at
1719
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:00.800
forty years old and get to do some of the
1720
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:04.039
coolest things that I could only dream about doing. Like
1721
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:06.479
I could, I can't. I wouldn't be able to do
1722
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:09.760
the type of things on the challenge that I in
1723
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.960
real life, like you, like, there's no amusement park that
1724
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.119
you can go to and and and and do the
1725
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.199
things that we do. And I'm getting paid to do
1726
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.520
it right, and I'm getting the opportunity to get paid more,
1727
01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:25.119
and I'm getting the opportunity to do it here and
1728
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.880
break it down, whether it be the arguments or or
1729
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:33.479
or the or the the game in itself, or the
1730
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:36.479
you know or or that the certain competition that day
1731
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:41.079
or you know how that player competed in that actual
1732
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.800
elimination against that person? How would have went if another
1733
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:47.079
another person was in there? Like I get to do
1734
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:51.359
that for a living now, right, So I'm I don't
1735
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.439
think anything would have changed, though, So.
1736
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:57.279
What about this? Let me throw this in there too.
1737
01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:58.359
And let me and let me and let me and
1738
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.960
let me start off by saying, I would I was
1739
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:05.760
doing the podcast this years before, right me?
1740
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.640
And you you were doing that, You were doing this
1741
01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:10.720
so well, yeah, so for nothing, for nothing. That's the
1742
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.800
only reason that you had my number in your phone
1743
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.640
was that both of us failed at podcasting ten years
1744
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:18.760
prior before nobody even.
1745
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.000
Knew when you were interviewing even cooler people.
1746
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:22.119
Yeah it did.
1747
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:25.000
We were the UFC fighters at a sport that I
1748
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.359
loved and that I wish I would have gotten into
1749
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:28.479
long ago.
1750
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:30.279
So that I agree.
1751
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.720
I agree that the passion for covering, the passion of
1752
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:34.319
podcasting was there, and you probably would.
1753
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:35.840
Have thought to do it. But what about this? So
1754
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:38.239
you come home, you come in second place.
1755
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.319
Obviously, they bring you in for the cup of coffee
1756
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.439
on Vendettas, but they don't bring you into full on
1757
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:47.640
repeat your your runner up place. I wonder to go
1758
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:51.239
full revisionist history though, if you win Dirty thirty, are
1759
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:53.720
you on Vendettas full on like you were there as
1760
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:54.319
an alternate?
1761
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:56.159
You end up doing that, you know? So like for me,
1762
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:57.239
what about that?
1763
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.159
Like would you have doven into the podcast right away
1764
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:01.600
if they put you right back on the road.
1765
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.119
So I don't know if you remember this, but they
1766
01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:08.439
had me as an alternate for Invasion and that's when
1767
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.520
I hit you up. And that's when I was like that.
1768
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:15.760
So it was probably a year prior where I was like, man,
1769
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:18.279
I feel like maybe we should get this. I should
1770
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:19.960
get this going again somehow, right.
1771
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:22.600
So what's crazy is I don't remember that.
1772
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:26.119
I remember it being after you like because I remember
1773
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.039
because I've said this before, that was around the time
1774
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.199
where my Challenge fandom was waning a little bit. Yeah,
1775
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.840
I was letting them build up on the DVR.
1776
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:35.640
I wasn't.
1777
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.680
I was sometimes letting the entire seasons go by, and
1778
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.960
if they got rooined for me, like I remember Rivals three,
1779
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:42.319
Rivals three, I kind of let go by and I
1780
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:44.600
didn't know what happened, but since when Johnny took the
1781
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:47.560
money from Sarah, Bill Simmons had him on his podcast
1782
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:49.239
and they had this whole thing and I ended up
1783
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:50.800
listening to it and I go, well, I'll go watch
1784
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.279
that episode, but there's no way I'm going back and
1785
01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:53.079
watching that full.
1786
01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.119
Season now that I know what happens.
1787
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:57.119
And so again, invasion you guys start to come back
1788
01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:57.840
Dirty thirty.
1789
01:18:57.920 --> 01:18:59.319
I had Dirty thirty saved on.
1790
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:02.720
My D and I remember, like, I had no idea
1791
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:03.920
that you came in second place.
1792
01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:05.239
When you're asking me, hey, do you want to do
1793
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:06.680
this podcast? And this and that and the other.
1794
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:08.680
I forgot that you. So you must have texted me
1795
01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:10.000
a few months earlier. And then we kind of let
1796
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:11.319
it sit there, and then of course you go and
1797
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:13.279
film Dirty thirty. So that's why you probably had to
1798
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:15.239
be quiet for a little bit and whatnot. And then
1799
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:19.159
we resumed things November twenty seventeen. That's when right around
1800
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.079
the reunions and the finale of Dirty thirty was airing.
1801
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.199
You know, well, I start like I started getting like
1802
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.159
the itch because I felt like I had like, first
1803
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:34.560
of all, the podcast challenge podcasts didn't exist, right, But don't.
1804
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:35.640
You think, let me ask you this, don't you think
1805
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.560
you would have been a little bit more hesitant because
1806
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:39.800
let's say you had a whole nother season in the
1807
01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:42.479
can yet, Because like, right now, we kind of invented
1808
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:45.199
the idea of podcasting about a show that you were
1809
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:46.520
actually on right now.
1810
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:48.039
Tory and Anis said, they do it all the time,
1811
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:49.079
Johnny does it all the time.
1812
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:51.800
Fine, but back then, I don't know how you would
1813
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:55.279
have felt about if you had gone and filmed Vendettas
1814
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:59.119
also then doing a podcast about whoa Vendettas, what's going
1815
01:19:59.159 --> 01:19:59.640
to have whatever?
1816
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:01.199
Like, we kind of had to figure out what do
1817
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:01.520
we do?
1818
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:03.840
And we had so much time to figure it out
1819
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.439
because they didn't use you again until All Stars won.
1820
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:11.560
Well yeah, here, so here's here's here's the issue, and
1821
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:13.119
and and like I was saying, so let me just
1822
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.840
let me just keep this going real quick. So I
1823
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.560
remember watching the show and being like, God, these guys
1824
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:23.560
are so fucking whack. I've got so many cool clips
1825
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:27.640
and so much cool shit that I've done in one season.
1826
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:32.560
Then the sixth season, some of these fucking dorks have combined, right,
1827
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.000
Like that was my thought process. I was like, I
1828
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.800
need to get back in here somehow because uh, you
1829
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:43.000
know it, like they need me and I need them. Right.
1830
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:47.079
So what had happened was once I, once I started
1831
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.640
putting the clips out there, them started starting to realize, Oh,
1832
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:57.680
this kind of character exists and he's now divorced. Right. Uh.
1833
01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:01.239
Once they once they sort of dropped me from invasion,
1834
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:04.039
I was like, Fuck, you know they're not going to
1835
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:06.800
use me. Let's start talking about it again, because I
1836
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.359
know this game. I know this game. I used to
1837
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:11.840
not just play this game, I used to break it
1838
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.319
down all the time with these people. So then what
1839
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.840
happened was I got on Dirty thirty and the character
1840
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:23.159
that they used they didn't use me. So my qualm
1841
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.920
was they didn't tell my story. The problem was is
1842
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:30.640
the story was never being told, the full stories, all
1843
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.560
of the stories weren't being told. And the reason why
1844
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.359
I know that is because so much more goes on,
1845
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:39.600
as you can see here eight years later, so many
1846
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.960
more stories, so much more intel is left on the
1847
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:46.680
cutting room floor because you only have so much time
1848
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:50.640
on the actual episode with the actual people. So when
1849
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:53.399
I was on Dirty thirty, I was maybe on like
1850
01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:57.399
what three full episodes. It felt like there's eighteen episodes.
1851
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.079
I make it to the end.
1852
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:02.680
Wait, a lot more meat left on the dirt, Kazinsky
1853
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:03.279
bone that.
1854
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.520
Season free, That's what I'm saying. So and I remember,
1855
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:10.640
and I remember talking about the podcast on Dirty thirty,
1856
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.960
and I remember talking to Tony and Hunter as they
1857
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.079
floated away and they lost to me in that final
1858
01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:20.720
elimination that people still don't consider an elimination because they
1859
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:23.520
called it a purge, but it was the final elimination
1860
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:26.800
before the final and it was me, Tony and Hunter.
1861
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:29.720
And as I floated away and they sat up there,
1862
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.920
they go, hey, we still want to be the first
1863
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.199
ones on your podcast. And I don't even think me
1864
01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:41.399
and you were like solidified anything at that point because
1865
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:46.399
I was on the show, So the podcasting was was happening,
1866
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:51.920
whether I won or not, because first of all, I
1867
01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:56.439
enjoy this. Second of all, not that many people have
1868
01:22:56.600 --> 01:23:00.439
had a challenge life like I've had, so they're not
1869
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:02.079
going to be able to see it through the same
1870
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:06.399
lens as me. And at that time, I had, you know,
1871
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:10.479
at that time, I had, I had done much more
1872
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:14.439
in the challenge world than many others. So now that
1873
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.079
there's more of me out there. There's the Johnny's, there's
1874
01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:19.840
the Wes's cts, like I mean, just I guess they
1875
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:23.800
were always there. But you know, the people that have
1876
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:28.840
done sixteen, seventeen, eighteen seasons. You know, I'm on whatever, thirteen, fourteen,
1877
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:30.960
whatever it is. But at the time I was at
1878
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:34.800
ten something like that, and that was a lot. You know.
1879
01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:38.920
Now there's many more people that have done ten. But
1880
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:42.279
but the same thing was happening. That thing was happening.
1881
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:44.359
Can I need a job finding a daily job?
1882
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:46.039
Right? Well, that's the thing.
1883
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.159
It's like, it's interesting, it's like a you were sort
1884
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.079
of the perfect person because if you look at like
1885
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:53.079
other sports other than like Daniel Cormier, who I remember
1886
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:54.920
he would do commentary while he was still you know,
1887
01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:57.399
top of his game, fighting the UFC and stuff. For
1888
01:23:57.439 --> 01:23:59.800
the most part, you rarely see you know, it's not
1889
01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.359
like you know, and now it's a little different.
1890
01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:03.600
You see like Lebron James having his own podcasts and
1891
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:03.920
things like that.
1892
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:06.319
It's a little different with the podcast, but when it
1893
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:08.520
comes to like TV analysts and things like that, it's
1894
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:10.600
rare that you see people at the top of their
1895
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:14.159
games still playing. But also have all that history still
1896
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:16.119
breaking the stuff down. It's usually one or the other, right,
1897
01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.399
it's usually you know, the Richard Jefferson's of the World
1898
01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:20.600
and things like that, or you get the legends, but
1899
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:23.279
after they're done, you're Charles Barkley's your shacks, et cetera.
1900
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.239
You were sort of perfectly suited for having the best
1901
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:29.760
of both worlds. You were a legend who would just
1902
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:31.520
established yourself as hey, I'm still in the game. I
1903
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:33.399
came in second place. We had no idea that you
1904
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:35.319
were going to come in second place, have the best
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elimination on the next season, and then not used again
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until All Stars and then against season forty.
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But it sort of worked out in that regard. I
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would say.
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That if you look at the cast members who sort
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of elevated or maintained their Q rating over that period
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of time, you know, if there's not many people who
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did it more so than you did. And so you know,
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obviously see the podcast ended up filling in that gap
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while the casting calls weren't coming.
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But yeah, well, and the beauty of it, like, it
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wasn't just me. I didn't want to just tell my story.
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I knew that there was other people's stories, other people
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that wanted to tell their story and that, and and
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they thought it was cool. And so at that point,
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like when the two guys you that you were basically,
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you know, not on the same side with, but but
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01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.520
still respected each other and appreciated each other, or telling
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you we want to be the first two on your podcast.
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When this is done and it doesn't even exist, like
1925
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you know, it was happening regardless if I won that
1926
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four fifty or.
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Nine, that's great, Yeah, I went.
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I'll say the timing could not have been more perfect,
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because that was the year that you know, I think
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maybe a year a little bit early, maybe we're a
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little early, whatever, but that was when I think the
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average person knew what a podcast was, knew how to
1933
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get it on their phone with a couple of clicks.
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Don't get me wrong, We still had hundreds, if not thousands,
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of people tell us, hey, you're the first podcast we're
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listening to, You're the first podcast I've ever heard, et cetera.
1937
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But when it came time for them to know how
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to get it or do it, it was fairly easy
1939
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for them to do it. Now flash forward, there's a
1940
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million different podcasts, whether it's for the challenge or survivor otherwise.
1941
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And then again you're Johnny's and your West's things. You know,
1942
01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:21.920
I mentioned Lebron James. The idea that a podcast is
1943
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what you have when you can't have a radio show
1944
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or a TV show is done now.
1945
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It's people prefer to.
1946
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Have a podcast because of all the flexibility that comes
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with it.
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But it's a good thing.
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We had that five year head start on everybody else.
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I'll say that, so shouts to you OG's who have
1951
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.920
stuck with us since then. Tara's got a question about OG's.
1952
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She says, we Want OG's Movement helped get All Stars
1953
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.039
off the ground. How can the fandom mobilize now to
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keep it alive?
1955
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.720
Do you think? So? Here's the thing. I think that
1956
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was such a rare instance.
1957
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Twenty twenty, the pandemic social media had become theater. Everyone's
1958
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sitting at home, people are doing pitch and development meetings
1959
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via zoom. I really think that was such a weird
1960
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time where a we were able to mobilize the maniacs
1961
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and use that we Want OG's movement to kind of
1962
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sell these people show back to them. But I don't
1963
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think that that's how it works today, Like I actually
1964
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don't think there's really anything the fans per se can do,
1965
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especially in social media.
1966
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What do you think I do? I absolutely absolutely one
1967
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of the one of the one of our biggest weaknesses
1968
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are like massive amounts of retweets on on Twitter or
1969
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or or or passes on Instagram, Like that is the
1970
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:36.239
that is like one of our our biggest weaknesses is
1971
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like we put something up on x or threads or
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Instagram and it's not being shared, you know, And if if, if,
1973
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if the maniacs could do could help us by sharing
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it more like we would be we would be hitting
1975
01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:55.159
on a whole nother cylinder. But you're talking.
1976
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About us Challenge Mania or are you talking about All Stars?
1977
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I'm talking about how do you You're asking how do
1978
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:03.840
we mobilize the maniacs? Right? That's how can the fandom
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01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:07.479
do to help to mobilize to make it? We want
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OG's and everything else even bigger, or at least Challenge
1981
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.279
Mania even bigger. Is like we are I don't want
1982
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to say with the epicenter, but like at some point
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we did serve as the episode.
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But if terror literally means what can they do to
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make All Stars six a reality I actually don't think.
1986
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I actually don't think it's social media based at all.
1987
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I think because I think our question was how can
1988
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the fandom mobilize to keep it alive? I think it
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here is All Stars. I think it's watched the show.
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I think that people and this is the sad reality
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of it. I think that people people like technology changes,
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the way people absorb content changes. I think now I
1993
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.920
can't keep track of whether people are pissed it's on
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MTV or piss it's on Paramount. Every time they switch it,
1995
01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.399
another group of people are mad when the child when
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the challenge is on MTV, like Season forty or All
1997
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Stars five, every comment on Facebook says.
1998
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:01.840
Oh man, this, I don't have cable. How do I
1999
01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:02.520
watch it? Right?
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01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.199
Then when All Stars was on Paramount, it was the opposite.
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01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:08.039
Oh man, I have to pay fifteen bucks for this?
2002
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:09.079
Why is it on MTV?
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01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:12.399
Everyone needs to make up their fucking mind and everyone
2004
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:14.920
needs to go. This is a team I root for,
2005
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:17.359
This is a show I root for. Whatever the delivery
2006
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:19.119
system is, I'm going to be a part of it.
2007
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:22.279
So on paper, it looks like I'm a diehard fan
2008
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:24.159
of the show and they can check that box that
2009
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:26.640
said that diehard fan absorbed this content the way that
2010
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:29.920
we calculated, because I think the problem is everybody's absorbing
2011
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:31.840
and taking in content the way that they want to,
2012
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whether that's via clips on social media, whether that's via TikTok,
2013
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:37.760
whether that's via spoilers, and all you do is you
2014
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:39.600
pay attention on departure day and then you don't even
2015
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:40.399
care about the show.
2016
01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:41.640
Whether it's you wait.
2017
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.000
A year and then you buy it on Amazon, whether
2018
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:46.159
it's Paramount Plus. You just waited for season forty to
2019
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:48.319
hit Paramount Plus now and you're watching it. I get
2020
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:51.000
that that's great for you, Tara or whoever, but everyone
2021
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:53.880
needs to band together and watch these shows the way
2022
01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:56.439
we watched them ten years ago, because that's still how
2023
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:59.960
they measure success. So when they look at Season four,
2024
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:02.680
they go, oh, man, towards the end there it was
2025
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.119
only doing four hundred thousand viewers. Now if one hundred
2026
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.800
thousand of you were buying it on iTunes, no offense.
2027
01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:11.039
That doesn't contribute to when someone's making a decision about
2028
01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:13.520
Season forty two, forty three, or All Stars five, six, seven,
2029
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:15.760
or eight. That doesn't contribute to how they make their
2030
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.960
decision because ultimately, the person who's making the decision only
2031
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:22.079
cares about that one way of watching it, whether it's
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01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.399
Paramount Plus or whether it is MTV.
2033
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.680
So I think when it's mobilized the maniacs. Like I
2034
01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:29.880
said in twenty twenty, the way to mobilize was on
2035
01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.960
social media, and fine, but social media now is getting
2036
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:36.000
in the way. Like it is so easy to watch
2037
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:39.199
wrestling via social media clips now that I don't want.
2038
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.479
I don't turn on Netflix and watch RAW because.
2039
01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:43.039
I know all the cool moments of RAW are going
2040
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:44.760
to be on my Twitter and I can just watch
2041
01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:45.279
it that way.
2042
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:47.239
Yes, they don't measure our truth.
2043
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:48.399
Yeah, our truth.
2044
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.600
I watched wat Truth last night. Yeah, but like for
2045
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:52.279
ends social media, it's.
2046
01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:53.079
The same thing I made.
2047
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.560
This is why I complain about the podcast that do
2048
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:58.760
the clip game too well, Right, I go, you're creating
2049
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:00.920
a world in which someone thinks by being a fan
2050
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.720
of your podcast, all they're doing is watching those three
2051
01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:06.520
or four clips that you're doing a great job with
2052
01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:09.319
the video. You're bringing guests in in person, and people
2053
01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:11.279
are watching those clips and then they move on with
2054
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:14.520
their day. They're probably not then watching or downloading a
2055
01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.239
two hour podcast of yours because you're making it so
2056
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:19.840
easy for them to feel like they got the four
2057
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:22.039
cliff notes moments in clip form right.
2058
01:31:22.359 --> 01:31:25.520
Same thing with these TV shows. TV shows, there's a million.
2059
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:27.600
Different ways to watch them, whether it's streaming or purchase
2060
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.680
or Amazon or this, and everybody's cutting the cords and
2061
01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:32.439
get I get that. For your budget, it makes sense
2062
01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:34.640
not to pay two hundred and fifty dollars a month
2063
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:38.880
for cable, I get it. But sadly, if we're all
2064
01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:41.920
doing this in fifty different ways, on paper, it looks
2065
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.720
like only four hundred thousand people who are watching the challenge,
2066
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.920
and if there's three hundred thousand extra people watching it
2067
01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:49.439
in a different way, that sucks, you know that. And
2068
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:51.399
not to say that it's your responsibility to do that,
2069
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:54.800
but if you're asking how to mobilize, that's the only
2070
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.800
way to mobilize where it will translate into, oh, we
2071
01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:01.760
should greenlight this show because unlike twenty twenty, they're not
2072
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.199
trying to sell the show, right, they're not trying to
2073
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.760
launch Paramount Plus. So now it's less fan engagement online.
2074
01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.000
How many likes are there on this Sarah Rice video,
2075
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.680
and it's how many people watch the finale of All
2076
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:14.960
Stars five, Like that's what they care about. How many
2077
01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.840
people sign up for Paramount Plus the minute something on
2078
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:20.199
Paramount Plus that's related to the challenge is announced.
2079
01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:21.319
That's what they care about.
2080
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.720
And the whole company is in flux and probably being sold,
2081
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.319
which makes everything I said probably no invoid, So that complicates.
2082
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:29.640
It too, So no one void whatever he just said.
2083
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.159
But also share our stuff, right, like the reason why
2084
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:34.520
that's for them for us.
2085
01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:35.960
We have a million different things we could tell you
2086
01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:36.520
to do for us.
2087
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:39.479
Yeah, well, but I'm just saying like in general, like
2088
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:44.560
once All Stars, like once the older familiar faces you know,
2089
01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:48.640
started popping up, like that's that's where they were like,
2090
01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:52.840
oh this is Oh they like this. They're liking this.
2091
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.479
They're liking Dunbar back, even though he's talking about throwing
2092
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.079
a challenge. You know, even if Vinnie whatever, Vinnie we
2093
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.800
heard the Vinnie store, Vinnie's back. Maybe we don't want
2094
01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:04.880
to use Vinnie, but this I'm seeing this guy pop
2095
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:08.000
up everywhere, you know, So it's like, you know, or
2096
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:11.439
whoever the ogs are, Derek McCrae, like their wheels are
2097
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:17.479
spinning on how can we make another All Stars show exist,
2098
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:20.560
but make it look different, but make it look you
2099
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.720
know what I mean, like make it look all stars
2100
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.239
worthy with different people. People we like the ogs like
2101
01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:30.039
even you know this, you know this dunbar like who
2102
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:32.600
would have thought would have been hitting like.
2103
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:35.720
This if you're listening, by the way, shouts to Ryan
2104
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:36.319
and a.
2105
01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:38.479
Few people who came up to me in Saint Louis
2106
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:40.119
who let me know and is obviously I'm going to
2107
01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:42.000
be getting it from dms left and right too as well,
2108
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:45.000
that you guys have appreciated these OG interviews, and I
2109
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.520
think it was, you know, obviously a great use of
2110
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:49.600
this downtime between season forty one, where look, when season
2111
01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:51.199
forty one's back, we get it. That's what a lot
2112
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:52.880
of people think about. That's where it does feel a
2113
01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:56.319
little weird to slide into Derek McCray. But I appreciate
2114
01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:59.359
that you guys love those. As Derek says, though, don't
2115
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:02.520
just slide into my DM. Don't just tell me live
2116
01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.840
in Saint Louis. Post to your followers right in an
2117
01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:08.680
organic way, not just reposting and sharing, because I do
2118
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:11.640
think here's another thing about how the world has changed. Okay,
2119
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.560
so social media has changed in a myriad of ways.
2120
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:20.640
All Right, social media works really hard to push down
2121
01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:24.359
and not make it easy for things that look like
2122
01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.199
product placement, and that can be a link, that can
2123
01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:29.239
be buy our tickets, that can be a flyer, that
2124
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:31.600
can be listening to this, that can be this. They
2125
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:34.279
push all that down because they want people like us
2126
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:38.000
to pay to build it up. Right, So, god are
2127
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:40.680
the days where we launch challenge Mania on Twitter and
2128
01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:41.399
Facebook whatever.
2129
01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:43.520
And Twitter it was like, oh, use this hashtag. People
2130
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:44.840
are going to see it, and that's how Twitter work
2131
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:46.239
back then. That's not how it works anymore.
2132
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.479
If we have a link in our posts, like they
2133
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:51.600
will be like, trust me, like you can see. Sometimes
2134
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:53.079
I'll do a post and it's been like a little
2135
01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:54.680
get zero likes, and I'd be like, I'd be like,
2136
01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.000
how is this possible? Because Twitter's hiding it for people,
2137
01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:59.439
They're not hiding it from you guys. Right, So, what
2138
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.039
you guys can do if you love an episode, if
2139
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.079
you love a podcast, if you love challenge Mania, if
2140
01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:06.319
you love an episode or the challenge, post about it,
2141
01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:09.199
tweet about it, you know, do an organic post, you
2142
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:11.439
find a picture that you use whatever, blab blah, Hey
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did you guys know, Dunbar was on Challenge Mania.
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01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:15.079
I listened to it and it was awesome.
2145
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:17.359
Because a post coming from Tara or Chad or Chrissy
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01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:19.439
or whoever, they're not going to bury the same way
2147
01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:21.760
they're going to bury us promoting what we do.
2148
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.000
So you guys, can help promote what we do. Do
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01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:25.000
it in an organic way.
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01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:26.479
Do it in a way where you're not lying to
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01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:28.520
your followers or your friends because you actually want them
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01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:29.560
to know that it's there.
2153
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:30.279
But I get it.
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01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:32.560
I get that your own feeds and your own accounts
2155
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:34.920
are precious and things like that, and you don't necessarily
2156
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:36.680
think to do that because you think, oh, they're doing
2157
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.359
that for themselves. We are, trust me, we do post
2158
01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:42.960
incessantly plug plug plug plug plug. But because of that,
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01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.920
our accounts look like that and the social media you know,
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01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:49.079
sphere is not doing us any favors. So anything you
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01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:51.840
want to do in that regard, well we'll look. It'll
2162
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:54.560
trickle down to the challenge realizing that the love is
2163
01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:57.079
there the network's sure, but for us as well, if
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01:35:57.079 --> 01:35:58.680
you just want to help the little engine that could,
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01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:00.880
you know, stand up to the you know, all the
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01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.920
other people that are crowding the market and whatnot.
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01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:04.880
Like, look the.
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01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:07.479
Questions that you guys are asking, you're asking live on Patreon,
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01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:10.239
where you guys are literally financially supporting us. If that's
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01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:12.479
all you want to do, that is perfectly fine. But
2171
01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:14.920
if you want to go the extra mile, or if
2172
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:16.640
you're listening to this and you're one of the many
2173
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.399
people who say, hey, I don't even have a dollar,
2174
01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:20.439
let alone fifteen dollars or fifty dollars a month to
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01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:21.279
give you guys via.
2176
01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:23.520
Patreon, that's fine. We appreciate you guys so much.
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01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:25.520
If there's something that you guys want to do for
2178
01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:28.439
us or to help again, tell a friend about Challenge Mania,
2179
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:30.359
post about Challenge Mania, do it on one of these
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01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:33.079
Facebook pages, the Challenge Fans and the Challenge Unbothered and
2181
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:36.760
the Challenge Unfiltered and all these great Facebook pages. Because again,
2182
01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:38.760
when it's coming from us, it looks a certain way,
2183
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:40.479
and it is a certain way when it's coming from
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01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:41.000
you guys.
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01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:43.199
You know, a Reddit post, a Reddit thread, you know,
2186
01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:43.760
I'll say this.
2187
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:46.319
It's like when we started the podcast, there was a
2188
01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:48.319
Reddit thread about every single episode we did.
2189
01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:49.359
Right, not so much.
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01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:51.119
Anymore, you know, and you know that could be for
2191
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.319
a myriad of reasons, and that's fine, but you know
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01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:55.880
down there that's those are the people who aren't necessarily
2193
01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.640
the fans, and that what comes with that sometimes on
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01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:00.720
Reddit is a bit of negativity things like that, or
2195
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.439
people just kind of like to sling it around more
2196
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:04.079
than they like to build people up and whatnot, which
2197
01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:07.920
is fine, but it is getting the information out there
2198
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:09.920
to a group of people that don't normally see it.
2199
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:12.039
These are probably not the people following us and following
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01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.680
the Facebook page and following challengemaniacs dot com.
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01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:16.439
So yes, Derek is totally right.
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01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:19.159
There's a ton you can still do for challenge Mania
2203
01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:21.159
that in turn will help it will help All Stars
2204
01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:21.399
as well.
2205
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:24.399
Yeah, I'm telling I'm telling you it's it's when they
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01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:27.920
see these faces pop up, it gets there, It gets
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01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:30.720
the wheels turning. It has to. It has to, because
2208
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.800
like All Stars isn't dead and gone. It's just like
2209
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:38.600
sometimes it takes time for them to come. Like can
2210
01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:40.920
you imagine trying to come up with a new game
2211
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:44.960
every every year, let alone twice a year or three
2212
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:47.439
times a year, like a brand new game, like a
2213
01:37:47.479 --> 01:37:50.960
brand new board game, new rules, new people and try
2214
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:53.640
to make it more exciting than the last one. Yeah,
2215
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:55.760
we can't let all stars be dead and gone. But
2216
01:37:55.800 --> 01:37:58.239
if you repost like especially these ghosts that we've been
2217
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.319
reaching out to and getting, and let me be honest
2218
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.560
with you, getting the ghosts the challenge. Ghosts that haven't
2219
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:05.720
been around in years and years are so fucking hard
2220
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:08.640
to get. And in some of these people I've been
2221
01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.439
working on for years and years and years. Some of
2222
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.039
the ogs that we've gotten in the past, I worked
2223
01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:15.920
on for years and years and years, and then we
2224
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:16.279
got that.
2225
01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:20.039
So Dunbar Dunbar almost didn't want to do it because
2226
01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:21.319
when we told him it was just going to be
2227
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:23.439
three of us doing the podcast, he said, I will
2228
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:24.399
only do it if it's a.
2229
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.600
Force, all right, Dad Bruber.
2230
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:31.760
Chad says, does it surprise you that Jenny West just
2231
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:34.800
won another season and is not on the upcoming season? Well,
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01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:37.560
we can't conform or confirm or deny that, Chad, but
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01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.319
let's say she's not. Chad says, I'm biased because I'm
2234
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.359
a big fan, but after being an alternate for Double
2235
01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:45.560
Agents and then again not being on another season unless
2236
01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:48.600
she declined, sounds like a shitty get for me.
2237
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.680
Are you surprised they didn't bring her back? Surprised?
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01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:54.279
No, I mean we just saw them do this to her, right,
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01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:56.079
Like she won the first time and they didn't bring
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01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:00.960
her back again until season forty. Clearly, with her, she
2241
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.680
is someone who if you let her on a show,
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01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:06.239
she probably don't win it, you know, unless she gets
2243
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:08.960
haul brawled out by Tori. So I will say I
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01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.840
don't think she is the most Did we ever have her.
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01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:15.760
On post forty? No, that's one we probably dust off, right.
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01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.560
I reached out, I reached out. I just got nothing.
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01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:21.760
I just got nothing back. I'm sure, I'm sure she's
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01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.319
nice enough to do it.
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01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:26.479
She's super nice nice, she's super well liked. She's not
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01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.000
the most interesting reality TV personality. In fact, I feel
2251
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:32.479
as if she was probably cast for her initial show
2252
01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:34.119
because she has a tremendous physique.
2253
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:35.800
She's a physical specimen.
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01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:38.239
I believe the first show she was almost called Survival
2255
01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:41.399
of the Fittest, and for whatever reason, the Challenge decided
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01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:43.560
to bring her into this world. And I think she's
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01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.520
a bit of a ringer. Like I do, think she's
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01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:49.600
almost too physically fit for the show. I think they
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01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:52.199
kind of realized that as well. I do think they
2260
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:54.159
wanted to bring her in for season forty because she's
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01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:57.840
one of the few ERA four champions and look what
2262
01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:01.399
happened she brought She almost ran away with the show herself.
2263
01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.079
She had to share it with Rachel.
2264
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.840
But I think, like in a vacuum, who's a more
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01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:10.079
worthy winner of season forty just from an optic standpoint,
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01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:13.159
you know, the twenty year veteran Rachel Robinson who started
2267
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:15.800
on road Rules, right, not probably the Survival of the
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01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:17.960
Fittest person that we haven't brought back since she won
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01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.720
Total Madness. So I do think in a way, the
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01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:23.840
karma quote unquote was more of sort of a you know,
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01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:33.239
I told you we shouldn't have brought her in, So
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01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:35.279
I am not surprised if they don't bring her in
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01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:38.359
for any seasons going forward. Whether that's fair or not,
2274
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:40.119
I would say that I agree with you chat, it's
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01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:42.119
probably unfair if they don't do that if she does
2276
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:43.880
want to play, because you know, she's one of the
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01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:45.720
most successful people that ever do the show. If you're
2278
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.520
breaking it down by season by season basis.
2279
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.199
Yeah, if you're breaking it down by numbers, I mean
2280
01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.840
I think she's at like what two for three or
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01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:53.560
something like that.
2282
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:55.399
But this is where I say the Challenge the fifth
2283
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:57.840
Sport thing is a joke, like like when you say, oh,
2284
01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:00.279
the Challenges the fifth Sport, when Bill Simmons said that
2285
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:03.359
that was funny because it's clearly not a sport. It's
2286
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:05.680
a reality show. But yes, there's a competition element to
2287
01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:08.039
it that we all love. But no, do I want
2288
01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:09.720
it to be like a sport? Do I want the
2289
01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.239
thirty people on a show to be the thirty best athletes,
2290
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:15.079
regardless of whether they're fun on commentary? No, you know
2291
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:17.720
what I mean. Give me Tyree, Give me Tyree over
2292
01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.159
Jenni West any day. Come on, that's my tirade for
2293
01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:20.520
the day.
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01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:21.640
Yeah.
2295
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.960
Well, the longer you keep the ogs around, trust in me,
2296
01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:30.600
you will have the wipeout style performances that you've all
2297
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.960
loved and craved even when we were young and dumb.
2298
01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:40.439
The older and more out of shape we are, the dumber.
2299
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:41.039
We look.
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01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.039
Real quick, real quick plug challenge. Many dial live and
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01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.159
get tickets to all of our shows. Next up is Pittsburgh.
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01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:50.880
That we've got Atlanta, but end of July July twenty seventh,
2303
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:53.720
Road Rules thirty This is another thing that look, would
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01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:57.079
it have been great or smart or whatever for paramount
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01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.279
you're able to do something for the thirtieth anniversary of
2306
01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:01.239
road Rules. They still be doing it, who knows, but
2307
01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:03.479
for now we don't think they are. So we decided
2308
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:05.640
to step in. So we've got as many road rulers
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01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:07.319
as we could muster up and afford to bring in.
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01:42:07.359 --> 01:42:09.119
And then on top of that, some people showed me
2311
01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.279
some group chaps this weekend that there's a ton of
2312
01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:13.319
road rulers that are nice enough and kind enough to
2313
01:42:13.319 --> 01:42:16.000
be bringing themselves in to come to this and be surprises.
2314
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.119
We thought we were gonna have kid who were in
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01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:20.159
the house. We just found out today she sadly cannot
2316
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:21.880
make it anymore. So for those of you guys excited
2317
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:23.960
to see her, sadly doesn't look like she'll be there
2318
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:28.159
on the Sunday the twenty seventh. But Shane, Veronica, Tina Rachel,
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01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:31.359
of course, Durrell Susie. But then, yeah, a lot of
2320
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:34.800
really fun names that are coming in, not just from California,
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01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:36.680
you know, like you're Sarah Grayson's, but you know, we
2322
01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:39.560
got Keithlea coming in from the West Coast, and then
2323
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:43.520
some other. Somebody showed me over the weekend a private
2324
01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:46.399
chat they have basically with their entire road Rules cast
2325
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:49.279
and a few people coming in from their cast. I
2326
01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:51.399
won't say who you can reach through the tea leaves
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01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:53.720
based on who was on road Rules and in Saint Louis.
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01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:56.600
But so it's gonna be a really special day Brea improv.
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01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:58.600
There are tons of seats left, Guys, there are still
2330
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:00.439
me and greet tickets left. You can, We'll get a
2331
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:03.479
picture of you, Veronica, Rachel and Tina, the mean girls.
2332
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.159
I'm telling you right now, there's probably not going to
2333
01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:06.800
be another day you're ever going to get that picture.
2334
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:09.079
We're going to have more road Rules in the house
2335
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:10.880
than ever. You want to know how we can bring
2336
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.239
back All Stars potentially or maybe bring back road Rules.
2337
01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:15.640
The reason we put this thing in Los Angeles is
2338
01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:18.359
not because Los Angeles maniacs come out and droves and
2339
01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:20.159
we make a lot of money. In fact, it's the opposite.
2340
01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:22.840
The reason we're doing it there is because.
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01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:23.800
It's where road Rules was born.
2342
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:26.359
It was where road Rules died with road rolls, viewers revenge,
2343
01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:28.439
and also because a lot of the people who made
2344
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:30.680
the show live there were doing it down the block
2345
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:33.439
from where they continue to make these shows, Beuta Murray
2346
01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:36.600
Productions and Paaramount and a lot of the people who
2347
01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:39.239
make the shows continuously today and made the shows then
2348
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:40.600
are going to be in the house. So if you
2349
01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:42.760
guys come, if you guys let them know when we
2350
01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:44.079
ask you, Hey, do you guys want to see Road
2351
01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:44.720
Rules again? Hey?
2352
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:46.279
Do you guys want to see All Stars? Hey? Do
2353
01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:48.119
you want to see Kendall on All Stars again? Hey?
2354
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:49.640
Do you want to see whomever on All Stars?
2355
01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:53.039
When we do that and you you know, you know,
2356
01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:55.199
yell and scream whatever, and the person sitting next to
2357
01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.079
you is the person who makes those decisions.
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01:43:57.239 --> 01:43:58.920
Who knows maybe that will happen.
2359
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:01.680
So to answer your question, and again Tara who asked,
2360
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:03.800
that is a day literally where if you come out,
2361
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:07.119
who knows, maybe some decisions or some thoughts pop into
2362
01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:10.840
people's minds that day. Bray improv Sunday, July twenty seventh,
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01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:12.640
So grab a tickets to that because I can tell
2364
01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:14.079
you that it is the only time we're ever doing it.
2365
01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:16.680
Thirtieth Anniversary of road Rules. Road Rules debut in.
2366
01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:20.840
July of nineteen ninety five, So July twenty twenty five
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01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:22.079
on July twenty seventh.
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01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:23.079
We'll be celebrating it.
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01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:24.720
The only time people saying, hey you should bring this
2370
01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:26.399
road rules sting on the road, We're not doing that.
2371
01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:28.039
It's the only day.
2372
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:33.479
Get your tickets, all right, Last couple questions here. Paul says,
2373
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.319
what is the fakest challenge rivalry at the moment?
2374
01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:39.960
Derek? And what is the realist challenge rivalry at the moment?
2375
01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:43.359
Oh my gosh, this is a question that I probably
2376
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:45.000
would have needed to get.
2377
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:46.479
Thank you guys.
2378
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:53.880
Okay, the realist challenge rivalry? Well, I just was kind
2379
01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:56.760
of trying to get, you know, get some talking points
2380
01:44:56.760 --> 01:45:00.600
together here, and it was reading through the tea pages
2381
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:06.159
and I realized that, uh, that Corey and Amanda rival
2382
01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:09.800
thing is is a is a real thing. Uh, he's
2383
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:13.640
not he's not scared too to say that he's uh
2384
01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:18.079
isn't a big fan. And I also learned that you know,
2385
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:21.079
him and Nelson want to do a challenge at some
2386
01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:25.239
point together. So I would be interested to to see
2387
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:28.199
where those talks are going as far as like, well
2388
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:33.920
we see Nelson back, it's not a rivalry, but uh,
2389
01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:36.840
that Amanda Corey thing definitely seems kind of real. But
2390
01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:41.279
anything with Amanda and uh one of her nemesis definitely
2391
01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:45.960
seems very real. What about Tina and Jeordan Jordan Jordan
2392
01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:51.479
in production seems like a very real rivalry. Uh, Sarah
2393
01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.159
Rice feels like she's she's ready to return, so maybe
2394
01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:58.760
that rivalry is maybe coming to an end at some point.
2395
01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:04.319
I thought that uh, Shane and Frank were a new
2396
01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:06.039
brewing rivalry.
2397
01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:09.079
Uh, that's definitely, that's legit.
2398
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:10.680
Okay, that's all.
2399
01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:12.840
That's all. That's all I'll say there.
2400
01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:15.439
That one's legit.
2401
01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:18.279
Uh, I will.
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01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:21.359
Say not even pop the balloon is seems to be.
2403
01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:23.880
It seemed to have been a little rivalry there. I
2404
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:29.399
think it's gone now. Uh, Pauline Klara, what's going on
2405
01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:30.039
with that one?
2406
01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:32.119
I don't think they're a rivalry. I think they're good.
2407
01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:33.119
I think they're they're good.
2408
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:34.399
They're just not together.
2409
01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.840
You know, that's not that's none of our business. Okay,
2410
01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:44.199
who knows? Uh? Yeah, all right, those are some good answers.
2411
01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.600
Vans and THEO seemed to not be a rivalry.
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01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:53.319
Uh all right, real quick, Paul wants you to know, Derek,
2413
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:56.199
did you know that you every where?
2414
01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:58.760
Is it? Okay? One of the earlier Challenge Mania pods.
2415
01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:01.000
You stated that you have lasted longer than any Derek,
2416
01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.439
regardless of any spelling on any show. Are you aware
2417
01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:07.039
that that came to an end on season forty Yeah.
2418
01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:11.680
Yeah, And I essentially handed it to him, So.
2419
01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:14.640
You did, You're responsible for it? You're right? Yeah.
2420
01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.960
I essentially said, no, I'm not going to come after you,
2421
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:25.880
and I'm going to come after Corey so TVD and
2422
01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:28.800
that that's any thing, all.
2423
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:31.520
Right, Meredith, We'll get Here's the last question for Meredith. Derek.
2424
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.960
Is there anyone from your career you wish you got
2425
01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.039
to know better? And have you since tried to reach
2426
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:37.920
out to them?
2427
01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:42.600
You know, I I you know, I've been pretty outspoken
2428
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:46.920
about THEO Vaughn and you know we've covered this up
2429
01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:50.279
and down as far as how things ended for me
2430
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:54.800
and him in the Challenge universe. But afterwards, you know,
2431
01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:57.359
he when he started doing the Last Comic Standing, I
2432
01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:01.720
think it was pretty uh, you know, we were well
2433
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:03.880
on the same force as far as trying to get him,
2434
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:08.920
uh to win that thing, and then eventually, you know,
2435
01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:12.239
it's he's one of the people that, like we would
2436
01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:16.600
we would absolutely love to have on the podcast obviously,
2437
01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:21.439
you know he's you know, one of the biggest you know,
2438
01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:27.960
comedians personalities. He's he's almost reaching stuper stardom. Dare I
2439
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.439
say it here, Scott, Uh, And he's he's one of
2440
01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:33.000
the people that you know, I I I feel shitty
2441
01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:37.279
about letting our our friendship h kind of fade away.
2442
01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:42.600
But isse of that? Is it because of his success
2443
01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:44.640
and and things like that, or is it did you
2444
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:48.239
feel like you guys could have and would have or
2445
01:48:48.279 --> 01:48:51.359
did gel more than now the lack of relationship you
2446
01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:52.720
have would well.
2447
01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.279
I mean we were really training together before Fresh Meat
2448
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:57.880
uh at u c l a you know, I mean
2449
01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:01.239
throwing the football around uh and around the track, doing
2450
01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:06.239
stares uh, stuff like that. You know. So at some point, uh,
2451
01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.760
we did have a friendship. Uh, and at some point
2452
01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:15.680
it faded away. And UH, luckily in in uh in
2453
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:19.600
Nashville when we were in that speakeasy underground, met the
2454
01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:20.840
owner there.
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01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:21.520
Uh.
2456
01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:25.079
He sent the picture of me to to to THEO
2457
01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:28.199
and gave me his number and uh he responded with
2458
01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:31.960
big D and I just wished him well. And Uh,
2459
01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:35.039
at the very least I got a I got some
2460
01:49:35.159 --> 01:49:40.720
closure from that chapter that night. So, but he's one
2461
01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:42.239
of the ones I wish I would have I would
2462
01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:44.000
have kept in touch with I was me and KORL,
2463
01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:46.279
you know, would have kept in touch longer. But of
2464
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:51.079
course these things just just kind of fade away, you know.
2465
01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:54.000
So it's like, uh, you know a lot of people
2466
01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:57.560
that Dave gent tootally. I remember Dave Gentoli who became
2467
01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:00.079
a huge actor. Me and Jamie were.
2468
01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:03.680
But anybody let me take the fame out of it.
2469
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.239
Because I'm not saying it's wrong to do this idea.
2470
01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:09.119
I also wish I stayed better friends with people.
2471
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:12.479
I'm not. I'm not even I'm not. I'm not really
2472
01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:16.159
talking about the fame. It's just it's just when you
2473
01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:16.520
go back.
2474
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:18.039
But I will say I think, but I think that
2475
01:50:18.119 --> 01:50:20.600
might have been why So, for instance, you named a
2476
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:22.640
bunch of people who have had a lot of success
2477
01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:24.279
outside of the challenge, and I think part of that
2478
01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:26.800
either led to or is related to them kind of
2479
01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:29.279
putting the challenge in that past life into their rear view.
2480
01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:29.520
Right.
2481
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.000
So I don't think it's this I'm not, although on
2482
01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.760
one side of the coin, yes, it's probably like, oh,
2483
01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:35.119
I wish I was better friends with this person.
2484
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:35.560
Crushing it.
2485
01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.840
But also part of the reason they're crushing it is
2486
01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:39.880
they kind of, you know, stop doing the challenge twenty
2487
01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.119
years ago and never really looked back. So my question
2488
01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:44.399
to you is, is there someone who's still kind of
2489
01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:46.840
part of the challenge world a little bit that hasn't
2490
01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.760
really gone off on Coral Island that you wish you
2491
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:51.920
had maintained more of a relationship with.
2492
01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:54.800
You know, when we do these challenges in your lives,
2493
01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.000
I think it's a it's a way to kind of
2494
01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:00.760
get closer to those people that I don't get to
2495
01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.119
see all the time, you know. So for example, like
2496
01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:05.720
this weekend, you know, with with with Wes, like I
2497
01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:08.279
I I I feel like I, you know, I missed
2498
01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:11.119
out on an opportunity at the game, missed out an
2499
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:14.720
opportunity to hang out with him an Amber, and I
2500
01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:17.439
haven't seen Durrell in a long time. And you know,
2501
01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:20.680
luckily Mark, I'll see Mark at least, you know, once
2502
01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.239
a month pretty much, so I get my my time
2503
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:27.760
with him. But I I appreciate those those downtimes, you know,
2504
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.560
like I appreciate the times where you know, we're having
2505
01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:34.640
a coffee, you know, down in the hotel lobby or
2506
01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:37.680
having a beer in the hotel lobby or whatever where
2507
01:51:37.680 --> 01:51:40.520
it's it's it's like it's like one on one. Uh
2508
01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:43.479
and and and I feel like when we're we're doing
2509
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.800
these challenge lives, it's it's an opportunity to do that.
2510
01:51:46.119 --> 01:51:48.560
But I also feel when it's it's just a rushed
2511
01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:52.319
one day thing, I feel like it loses, you know,
2512
01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:55.359
the opportunity to get to know those people more like
2513
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:58.680
an amber for example, Like I'm never really sat down
2514
01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:01.720
and had a conversation with are you know outside of
2515
01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.520
of of of the podcast, you know, so you know,
2516
01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:08.279
I think a lot of the people that you know
2517
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:10.239
that that we do challenge made in Lives with, I
2518
01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:13.159
feel like, you know, it's it's it's spread too thin,
2519
01:52:13.359 --> 01:52:15.920
and I feel like I wish there was more time.
2520
01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:18.720
Uh but I guess even a little bit of time
2521
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:21.319
is better than like no time at all.
2522
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.760
So uh yeah, someone someone actually asked this, Let me
2523
01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:32.560
see if I could find it there was a similar question.
2524
01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:35.680
Because I'll just reframe it.
2525
01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:39.199
But so let's say there's no take challenge mainly a
2526
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:42.119
live out of it, right, because I do think you
2527
01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:43.680
get and we get and even.
2528
01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:46.039
Cast members that we use a lot and whatnot.
2529
01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:49.439
Are kind of spoiled in that we have created this
2530
01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:52.800
reason that so many of you guys do get to
2531
01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:55.119
see each other for periods of whether it's you know,
2532
01:52:55.600 --> 01:52:58.279
one day like Frank, or three days like Durrell, and
2533
01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:01.760
like Durrell and Amber. Right, so durrellnd Amber their partners
2534
01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:04.680
on double Agents. You know, Durrell ends up going home,
2535
01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:08.079
Amber ends up winning the thing with CT. I believe
2536
01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:10.920
their paths crossed on Global Championship. I think Durrell did
2537
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:11.239
that right.
2538
01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:14.840
Other than that, though, these two probably don't get together
2539
01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.199
very often, right, And then here they are getting to
2540
01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.479
see each other for three days. They also got to
2541
01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:21.199
see each other a year and a half ago or
2542
01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:23.159
two years ago in Sacramento when we did that event.
2543
01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:24.479
They were both at that they can go to a
2544
01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:25.600
King's game together, et cetera.
2545
01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.800
Okay, so my point is that I think we have
2546
01:53:29.039 --> 01:53:34.319
also breathed this weird sort of I would say my
2547
01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:36.279
question to you is this, if it wasn't for challenge
2548
01:53:36.279 --> 01:53:37.239
many lives at all?
2549
01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:39.479
How many how often.
2550
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:42.399
Would some of you guys see each other who don't
2551
01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:45.640
let's say, all live in la or wherever, Like I
2552
01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:48.560
personally think you would go, like, would there have been
2553
01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:51.199
a natural reason for you to see some of the
2554
01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:53.960
people that you've seen at Challenge many live other than
2555
01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.239
doing a Challenge in the last eight years, right, you
2556
01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.399
live in Morgantown, West Virginia. Some of these people live
2557
01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:02.760
in weird ass places without challengemaning alive. I would argue
2558
01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:05.319
some of you guys, if not all of you guys
2559
01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:08.199
wouldn't see each other outside of filming the show at all.
2560
01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:14.520
Yeah, I think it would be foolish for a group
2561
01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:18.399
of us to not bring back something where we would
2562
01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:21.399
be able to see each other more.
2563
01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:23.600
That's sure, But that but that's all.
2564
01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:29.199
But yeah, but if there were no appearances even back then,
2565
01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:33.800
even even even you know before Challengeming alive, when uh,
2566
01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:37.680
you know, appearances and you know, going to like uh,
2567
01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:41.760
you know, you know, you know whoever it, whoever it
2568
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:44.319
was at the time bringing cast members in to do
2569
01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:47.199
this and to do that, like there was an excuse
2570
01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:50.560
to see each other randomly. But yeah, I mean if
2571
01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:55.680
there was nothing like like a Challengeman alive or appearances
2572
01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:59.359
or college speaking or you know whatever his bar appearance,
2573
01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:04.479
whatever how you want to cut at festivals, whatever, then yeah, obviously,
2574
01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.960
then you would be like what the Vacation Alliance does, right,
2575
01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:10.800
Like you just like find a time to be like,
2576
01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:15.600
all right, let's all meet here this one time. So yeah,
2577
01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:18.560
Challengeman Live definitely gives all of us an excuse to
2578
01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:19.439
kind of see each other.
2579
01:55:19.680 --> 01:55:21.199
All right, Well, you guys, come see us.
2580
01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:24.119
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01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:25.680
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2591
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I will give you the last word as we get
2592
01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:49.880
out of here.
2593
01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:52.319
So I have a question. So what did Wes say
2594
01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:55.479
about his possible return to the Challenge.
2595
01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:57.199
He said, I'll put it at about fifteen percent that
2596
01:55:57.279 --> 01:55:58.279
I do a challenge again.
2597
01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:00.279
So I think, I mean, look, this guy, he'll he'll
2598
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:03.439
do another one for sure, one hundred percent. I mean
2599
01:56:03.479 --> 01:56:06.119
I think, look, he has managed to go longer without
2600
01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:09.479
doing one. Then I think maybe he even knew based
2601
01:56:09.479 --> 01:56:11.199
on the fact that he's gotten to do all these
2602
01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:15.039
other shows in the process. Look, season forty probably like
2603
01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:17.760
not an easy one to sit out because of the like,
2604
01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:20.520
you know, magnitude of the season, but I think sort
2605
01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:23.119
of an easy one to sit out in that Look,
2606
01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:24.960
there was a lot of you guys there, like, he's
2607
01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.479
not going to get to be the star of the
2608
01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:28.760
show the same way he would have been on another season.
2609
01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:31.479
I think what's going to happen is the Challenge will
2610
01:56:31.479 --> 01:56:33.600
come calling when the Challenge needs Wes, and Wes will
2611
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:35.439
say yes when Wes needs the Challenge. And I think
2612
01:56:35.479 --> 01:56:38.479
that'll probably happen sometime between seasons forty two and forty six.
2613
01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:42.079
If I had to guess, yeah, yeah, no, that's all.
2614
01:56:42.079 --> 01:56:45.680
I got. Nice, nice little chat here, Scott. I hope
2615
01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:49.439
the maniacs and enjoyed it, and I hope that you
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01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:55.640
continue to help us retweet reshare rethread, re Instagram, re Facebook,
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some of this mannas that we have and hopefully next week,
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hopefully I have another ghost, Scott, because I messaged a
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lot of ghosts and uh, yeah, it's like that zebra.
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It's like that. They're like those zebra, that zebra that
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got away in Tennessee and they they had to get
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a helicopter out and just like grab it. But we
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got one response from a ghost. We're not gonna say
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who it is because we don't want to spoil it.
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Challenge being you alive. It's a hard it's gonna be
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a hard one to hard zebra to capture it, get it,
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get them up and get him there or here. But
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just know that we're working hard for you, guys, and
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we appreciate you guys for uh enjoying our content, enjoying
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this random podcast about this random sport uh that's uh
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existing under ether called the Challenge Universe, challengeing your podcast.
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All right, brother vacation. I don't think I'm gonna get
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a ghost by tomorrow, Scott.
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All right, well we'll talk about it off the air.
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They've got this, uh, they've got this audio.
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From from uh samwis coming at him and We just
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did it two hours of NonStop challenge talk, so hopefully
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you guys loved it and we'll see you soon.
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There.
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It is quite the chat. There a lot of cool
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subjects that we covered. Like I said, I don't want
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to say old news, but you know, this was recorded
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two weeks ago, so for instance, since then, the Traders
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cast has.
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Been announced and everything like that.
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So uh, you know, two weeks ago, but still a
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lot of this stuff, evergreen, is still very topical.
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Hope you guys enjoyed it.
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If you did head a challenge Maniacs dot com, support
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the podcast will make it worth you while.
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Have a great week. We'll see you guys is Saturday
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in Pittsburgh. Take it away, TJ.
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All Right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.
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Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.
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Guess what, Pittsburgh.
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The train, the Chew Cheo train, the CT Tambarello train
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is rolling through Pittsburgh Saturday, June twenty eighth. Yes, I
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know it's relatives short notice, but that just goes to
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show you never know when a guest is going to
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be added to a Challenge Madia Live lineup. And you
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never know when a headliner like CT might pop his
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head onto our stage. Guess what, guys, there are still
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tickets available. For those of you guys who already showed
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faith and did buy tickets.
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You are good to go.
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For those of you guys who've been dragging your feet,
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sitting on your hands, or might want to hop on
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American Airlines or Delta and come join us at Pittsburgh
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on the twenty eighth, well, guess what, there are a
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few tickets available. Go to Challenge Menia dot Live today.
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Get your tickets because every single ticket comes with a
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meet and greet, so you'll get to meet CT alongside
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his Trader's Champ fellow traders Champ, I should say, Trischelle Cannetella.
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We've also got the Brain Candy Girls in the house,
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Hall of famers Susie Meister and Sarah, plus the Godfather,
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Mark Long plus Derek Kazinski I.
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Will be there as well.
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We're doing a panel, then we are doing pictures and autographs.
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It's going to be a great afternoon at Celebrations Bank
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with Bar and Grill. Go to Challenge Mania dot Live today.
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Also Detroit, thanks for having an awesome pre sale this week,
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but the pre sale is done, password is gone. That
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means tickets are available to everyone over at Challenge Mania
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dot Live for Detroit on October fifth, featuring.
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Wes and nine. We've also got tickets on sale for.
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Boston Beantown almost sold out Carl, Maria, Devin, Michelle and Ryan.
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If that lineup sounds familiar, it's also because it's our
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lineup for August thirty first in Chicago. Tickets available for
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that as well. Go to Challenge Mania dot Live because
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we are rolling through Pittsburgh, then Atlanta, then Los Angeles
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for the road Rules Reunion, then Chicago then Phoenix, Tory,
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Dial and Jody and Phoenix Hello. Go to Challenge Media
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dot Live today. So much going on, but the headliner guys.
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Get to Challenge Media dot Live because we just added
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opening or ct Tamborello joining us in Pittsburg next Saturday.
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