Kristin Cavallari: So You Want to Date an Athlete? (FBF)

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Hi everyone, it's Alex. Happy Friday. I am so excited
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because I have started to do this thing, Flashback Fridays,
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on the podcast. I recognize that obviously since I was
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exclusive to Spotify for three years, some of you may
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have missed some episodes that were only uploaded to Spotify,
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so I figured let me curate some a little playlist
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for you guys on Fridays of some of my all-time
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favorite episodes that maybe you didn't get to check out
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or maybe you did listen. But guess what? You're going
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to listen again because it's just that good. So today
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I am re-releasing the Kristen Cavallari episode. I am so
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obsessed with this woman. You guys have to understand, I
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fucking love reality television. I love TV. I'm just obsessed.
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And the O-O-G's of it all is Kristen Cavallari. I
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remember sitting, binging Laguna Beach, binging the OC and being like, okay,
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I just want to be Kristen Cavallari. She's so fucking hot.
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She's so cool. She's so smart. She's so savvy. And
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she's just a fucking good ass time. And so when
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I met her, I wouldn't say I was nervous when
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she walked into the studio, but I think when I
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have those people that I'm like, fuck, I'm such a
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huge fan of this person. You want to hope that
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they're the same as they present online and on the
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TV show. Daddy gang, when I tell you this woman
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is exactly how she presents herself. on TV and online.
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I was so fucking happy. I'm like, thank God. I
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love you even fucking more now. She's so genuine. She's outspoken.
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She's funny. She's charismatic. She's beautiful. I was like, okay, Kristen,
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I fucking love you. So Daddy Gang, I hope you enjoy.
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Let's kick off this glorious Friday with the best energy
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and vibes with Kristen Cavallari. This episode, I will say,
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is so fun. We talk about breakups and relationships ending
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and knowing your worth and knowing what you want. We
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talk about You know, we have, Kirsten and I have
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one thing, well, we probably have a lot of things
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in common, but one thing we have in common is
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we used to date athletes and she married one at
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one point and you know, they come and go, but
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we talk about it. So have fun.
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Enjoy.
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It's a girl's girl episode and I hope you have
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a fabulous, fabulous time listening.
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Enjoy. Love ya.
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What is up daddy gang it is your founding father
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alex cooper with call.
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Her daddy.
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Are we ready okay.
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That laugh i i'm like i know it so well
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it's like so weird to be in person with you
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now okay okay Kristen Cavallari, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
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Thank you. I have always been a huge fan. Laguna,
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The Hills, owned all the DVDs, would watch with my sister,
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would binge watch. But another reason I was super excited
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to have you on was because I follow you on
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social media. Oh, thanks. I respect everything you're doing, your career,
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but specifically with your children, you deciding to not really
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show them and keep that part of their life private.
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I mean.
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I really respect it. Thanks. How did you decide to
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take that approach and protect your children by keeping them
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off social media?
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Well, thank you, because a lot of people don't understand it.
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But if you go back to when I first joined Instagram, Camden,
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my oldest, is on there when he was a baby,
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a little bit. And then we just decided that we
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wanted to give them the opportunity to make that decision.
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You know, my kids may want no part of being
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known or whatever. And I want to respect that and
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give them that chance to decide when they're old enough.
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Yeah, I feel like that's like a huge debate on
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social media because so many people with social media are
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posting even like their infants.
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Yeah.
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And then there's the debate of like, we, that's kind
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of fucked up because they don't have a say and
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now their whole life is going to be documented and
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then they're going to get to high school and people
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are going to be like, I have all these Instagram
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photos of you. But I think it's a really good
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decision and I definitely want to do that when I
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have children. When do you think they'll get on social media?
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I hope not until they're like 20. You're like, I'm
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not giving them a phone. They're never going to be. 16,
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I'd say it's probably realistic and long enough where hopefully
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they have decently thick skin and can handle some criticism
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because ultimately like that's my biggest concern with it is
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just how nasty people can be on social media so
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yeah and when it's your kids it's like I want
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to do everything to protect.
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There was no social media when you were growing up.
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But I'm curious, did you have aspirations at all to
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be on television? I did.
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And it wasn't really until high school. But before MTV came,
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I wanted to study broadcast journalism and kind of work
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my way in the entertainment world through hosting. But then
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MTV came and everything just kind of fell in my lap.
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And I thought, well, you know, when I graduated high school,
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I moved up to L.A. I started at Loyola Marymount.
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I literally went to one class, like literally one class.
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And then I booked a job on UPN, which you
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guys probably don't even remember that network, but it was
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a network back in the day. I was hosting a show.
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And so my excuse was, well, I'm traveling around the country.
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I obviously can't go to college. And not that I
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want to like promote not going to college, but it's
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the best thing I ever could have done. College would
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have done nothing for me.
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Right.
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Because you already kind of had a career set in
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stone because you started in high school, which is like
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not normal, especially for like television.
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Yeah.
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You're in high school. Now we got to go through it. Okay.
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And MTV picks you to be on their new show.
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Yeah.
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What did your parents say when you asked them if
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you could be on the show?
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Well, so I was living with my dad in Laguna beach.
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My mom was in a suburb of Chicago. My mom
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definitely had reservations because of the time MTV was a
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little scandalous at the time. You know, that was right
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after the Janet Jackson boob thing happened at the super bowl.
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And They didn't have the best rep. And so she
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was a little worried, but my dad was all for it.
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And because I lived with my dad, I'm pretty sure
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I only had to have my dad.
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Sign off on it. You're like, mom, I'm not even
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doing it, dad. Why do you think your dad was
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okay with it?
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I think he saw the opportunity, you know? I mean,
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he just did. And well, also, none of us knew
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what the show was going to turn into. You know,
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my dad probably at the time was like, oh, cute,
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a little home movie.
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No problem. Have fun. It literally probably was like a
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school project, dad. It just happens to be from MTV.
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And it's crazy because reality TV really, like no one
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had gotten famous from that yet. So it was kind
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of like an undiscovered concept. So I can kind of
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understand why parents would be like, sure.
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Yeah it wasn't like it is today no one knew
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you know I mean totally obviously there was the real
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world at the time I think the simple life had
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already happened and maybe the Osborne show but other than
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that there was there was nothing really so yeah we
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this was uncharted territory we had no idea.
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I'm trying to picture myself in high school getting cast
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on a show I would have failed out I would
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have dropped out no.
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Way dude how did you no you would.
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Have fucking crushed it that's the point though I would
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have been like I'm obsessed with I get to go
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party with boys? Like, how the fuck did it just.
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Yeah, that was me.
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Okay, I was wondering, like, did it fully take over
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your life?
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I mean, yeah. Well, yes and no. Yes in the
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sense that, yes. I mean, that was, like, what everyone
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in Laguna Beach was talking about. We filmed every weekend for, like,
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nine months or something. But because we were still in
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high school, I mean, I was actually going to class still.
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And so during the weeks, you know, my life was normal.
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I was going to school, doing whatever I was doing.
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And then we would film... I think sometimes Thursdays, but
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mostly Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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When you came out, did people that were in your
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school that weren't on the show treat you guys like different?
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What happened was the first season, everybody auditioned, right? Everyone did. Well,
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and then when those people didn't get it. Fuck MTV, blah,
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that whole thing. And then those people were on season two.
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And I was like, oh, really?
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Right.
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Fuck MTV, huh? That pissed me off. But I mean,
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it's understandable.
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Totally.
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And then when it aired, the first season aired, I
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was a senior in high school. Talyn and I were.
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Everyone else graduated, went on to school. That was the
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one time the freshmen coming in looked at me a
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little differently and I was like, okay, this is weird.
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You talked about the fact that your relationship with your
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dad was hard to heal in therapy. When you were
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growing up, what was that core issue between the two
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of you?
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Well, my dad wasn't around a lot, to be honest.
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We were living in Connecticut before my parents got a
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divorce and my dad had moved to Colorado. I think
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I saw him maybe like once a month, like for
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a while.
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In Colorado is when my parents got a divorce, and
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my dad shortly thereafter moved to Laguna Beach, and I
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was still in Colorado. Then my mom got remarried, and
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I moved to Chicago. And then my freshman year of
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high school is when I moved to Laguna, moved in
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with my dad, my stepmom, who was 20 years younger
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than my dad, and my brother at the time, who
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I had also been broken up with. He moved to
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Laguna when I moved to Chicago. And honestly, my dad
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and I were just never close. And I just remember
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in high school, I never wanted to be home. Like
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I just never wanted to be around that environment. So
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that's why I think I fell under that. like friendships
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a lot and going out. I was kind of the
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party girl. And I was just, you know, that's where
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I found connections.
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Did you want to move to Laguna?
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I sort of had to because I was getting in
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so much trouble in Chicago. And I had a major
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issue with my stepbrother. And like all of the pieces
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just fell into place for me to move. My mom
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wanted to ship me off to boarding school. And my
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dad said, let me give it a go. Let me
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see if I can control this wild beast. So I
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moved to Laguna my freshman year of high school. And honestly,
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the best thing that's ever happened to me.
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What were you confident about in high school? And what
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were you insecure about?
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Well, it's funny because on Laguna Beach, everyone thought I
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was a super confident kid. And now that I've had
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to go back and watch the episodes for my podcast...
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I don't see a confident girl at all. I see
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actually someone who's incredibly insecure. You know, that saying, confidence
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is quiet, insecurity is loud. Well, I was that, you know,
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I was overcompensating for my insane amount of insecurity. And
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so I think most kids are a mess. You know,
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most high school kids, you don't know the fuck you
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are at 17 years old. But I think really probably
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because I didn't have a family member in my life
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that I was really close to. My mom now is
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my best friend, but at the time we were not close,
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wasn't living with her. You know, I never wanted to
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be home. So I think that was probably a large
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part of it for me.
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That is really interesting because I think like watching it back,
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sometimes when you're in your head about whatever your insecurity
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is for you, you're like, I kind of feel like
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I'm alone out here doing my fucking thing yeah you
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kind of just have to fake it till you make
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it exactly was there anything when you were social with
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your peers that you were insecure.
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About no I mean that's really where I kind of
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found my identity I think and so I moved around
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a lot growing up and I think because I was
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always the new girl I was a survivor like you
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could throw me in any situation and I was gonna
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figure it out I knew how to navigate through situations
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and That's maybe where like the confidence came from because
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I wasn't someone who's going to like, you know, crawl
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in the corner and suffer. I was like, boom, here
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I am. Let's go. But I was faking it though.
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That makes so much sense. I can completely relate to
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that where you're like, I'm about to walk in this
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room and I have two options. And so sometimes being
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like the loud one, it just gets you in the door.
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And it immediately, if you exude confidence, eventually you're going
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to fucking be confident. Yeah, exactly.
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If you had to guess. Who would you be now
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if the MTV cameras never showed up to your high school?
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Oh, my God.
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I love that question.
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I mean, I think, wow, if I was never on
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Laguna Beach, I probably would have gone to school and,
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you know, did broadcast, studied broadcast journalism, hopefully would have
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worked my way in still.
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I don't know.
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I feel like in a lot of ways, I probably
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wouldn't be as far along on my journey as I
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am today. Because ultimately being on TV at such a
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young age and going through everything I've gone through over
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the years has really forced me to grow up a lot,
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I think. The older we get, we realize life is
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building blocks and everything starts to make sense. And so
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I feel like just everything that I've been through I
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feel like this was supposed to be my journey.
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Totally.
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So I can't... It's hard to sit here and be like, well,
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if not, because I just feel like I was destined
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for this.
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I think a lot of people are fascinated because, like
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you said, high school is hard enough. High school is
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such an awkward time. You're trying to figure out who
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the fuck you are. You're dealing with peer dynamics, family dynamics.
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How did it feel... And I think this is where
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we all are so fascinated with it because it's really
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not natural to have grownups with cameras in your face.
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Like I feel like your scenes were always like you
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chilling in bed with Alex in the morning, like discussing
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what happened the night before. But it's like, how did
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it feel having these grownups come into your life, stir
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up drama and kind of like manipulate these storylines to
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get a good show going when you're in high school?
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Yeah.
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It's a weird dynamic when you really explain it like that.
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I mean, my whole life I had trust issues, but
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then really when you're 17, 18 and you have adults
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taking advantage of you and manipulating situations and in a
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lot of ways, just straight up lying to your face.
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I mean, that's, that'll rock your boat for sure. Trust
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is like my biggest issue with people. And so that
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obviously didn't help that situation. And now that I'm older
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and I've I've been on the other side of reality
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shows like Very Cavallari. I was an executive producer, which
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was the best thing for me to end my reality
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TV career with that experience because it left a really
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good taste in my mouth. But it was also really
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eye opening to be involved in those conversations of like, oh,
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these are the storylines we're getting. And no matter what
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you do, they're going to get the storyline they want.
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So I understand from a producer's perspective, now that I'm
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an adult, why they do the things they do. They
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have a job to do. I get all of that.
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I just think it's a tricky thing when you're dealing
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with children. I mean, we were kids.
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That's where it's like, ugh.
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It's tough.
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It's really tough because in one part, it became one
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of the biggest shows. And then on the other end,
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it's like, yo, you're in high school. That's your life.
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When you say they would lie to your face, can
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you give us an example of something you remember?
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Well, so I look at Laguna Beach and the Hills
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as two very different experiences. Laguna Beach was more just
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no one really ever told us what was going on
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or like what they were trying to do, you know?
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no one prepared us for what was coming. I just
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remember one producer in particular before it aired saying, well,
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you know, you can definitely tell that you're not from
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Laguna beach. And I was like, Oh, okay. Like, what
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does that mean? And then it came out and I
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was like, Oh, you mean because everyone's going to fucking
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hate me. And this is so not who I am,
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you know, but like, I don't know. A bigger heads
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up would have been nice. How much you guys fucked
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with me, that kind of stuff.
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When you say fucked with you, are you saying like
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they really leaned in to try to make you that villain?
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And, That's why I've
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really loved doing the Back to the Beach podcast with
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Steven because we literally go through scene by scene and
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break it down. And it's been therapeutic for me. It's
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been eye-opening. It's been... really fun also just to break
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it all down because I'm not emotionally invested in it anymore.
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Where at the time I remember Steven being like, that's
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not how it went down, but I couldn't hear him
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or believe him because I was so upset about it.
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And so yeah, being able to go back and watch
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it and just get to the bottom of it. I've
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loved every second of it.
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When you realized like, wait, I look like the villain
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in this. What the fuck did that do to you mentally?
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I was, I was pretty wrecked for a while. I
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was so upset. I was really upset when I saw
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the first episode. It was hard.
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It was you and Lauren Conrad. Essentially, the first premise
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was like you guys fighting over a guy.
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Yeah.
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Did you and Lauren, was it really only over Steven
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or were you two just two personalities that probably would
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have always butt heads regardless of if a guy was involved?
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Well, we were never friends, but we never fought or anything,
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you know? And so MTV coming definitely made it a
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way bigger thing than it ever was. And Lauren and
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Steven did have something, but it was before MTV came.
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And then of course MTV caught wind of that. That
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was like the only thing they focused on and in
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a lot of ways, try to keep it alive. And
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that was where I felt really threatened. And so I
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put up walls. I was all, I knew how to
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do at age 17. Um, and so, yeah, it's, it
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goes back to that thing where I was always a
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survivor and, And so if I felt, like, you know,
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threatened and people were, like, coming after something that was mine, a.k.a.
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my boyfriend or whatever it was, I was going to
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get scrappy. I mean, that's just what I knew how
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to do.
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I have had many of your now castmates on. I've heard.
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And being on Laguna Beach and the hills and getting to, like,
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directly interact with Adam DeVello, what was your experience with him?
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I mean, it was.
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It was never great. I had my issues with Adam
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without a doubt. And again, I mean, I kind of
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said it earlier, but I understand now as an adult
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why he did the things he did. It's not that
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I agree with them, but I mean, he had a
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job to do. I think my biggest issue with what
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Adam did was he would create these storylines on the
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show that were bullshit, but then he would go and
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feed them to the tabloids. So not only are you
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living this shit on the show, but then I'm having
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to answer questions and the tabloids and people are painting
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this picture of me, which isn't true at all. And again,
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I get it because the tabloids fueled the show and
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you know, at the end of the day, it's all fine.
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It's all worked out. But, um, I, I had my
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issues with Adam for sure. I don't think he's a
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good person, but I think he's a great producer. I'm
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actually kind of upset though, because Steven and I were
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supposed to have him on our podcast and, And he,
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you know, had us going around and around and around.
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And then two days before we were supposed to film,
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he pulled out. And it's just shitty because A, you
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could have told us up front. And B, he totally
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opened up my career, right? Started my career. But we
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also started his career. Like without the cast of season
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one of Laguna Beach, Adam wouldn't be what he is either.
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So I just felt like, why can't you come on?
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It's a mutual respect thing. answer some questions about how
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the show was created and we'll call it a day.
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You kind of made him cause yeah, he had like
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the format, but if you guys didn't show the fuck
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up and do your iconic scenes, like there was not
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going to be a huge media mogul moment for MTV
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in that category. So it's like Spencer did talk about
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what happened with Heidi. Did you know about that? And
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do you know?
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No.
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Cause that was before I had come on the show.
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My issue with him was, a bribing situation and him
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creating this storyline that I was doing drugs and was
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out of control partied my ass off in my early
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20s I had a really good time I don't regret
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anything I was never out of control it was never
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cause for concern I was never not showering which is
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like what Us Weekly had said that I needed to
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go to rehab and all this shit. And so that
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wasn't cool.
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I remember that.
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Yeah.
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He bribed the girls to call me out on camera
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for doing drugs with a purse. So, but, and that
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was difficult. And Adam and I got in a huge
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fight about it. And because what I was doing then was,
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Cause then he fueled it to us weekly. I would
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be on camera filming and I'd be like, I know
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it was Adam like going around just running my mouth.
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And Adam called me and he was like, you have
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to stop saying that. I was like, but you did.
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That's also fucked. And I think that's where I think
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it's fair for you guys. You're not discrediting the show.
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Even you sit here and you're saying great producer. He
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knows what the fuck he's doing. But I do think
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it's fair to clear your name because I was going
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to ask you that about like, there was that huge sin.
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I remember with the Hills where it was like, she's
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on drugs. She spun out and they like, got you
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when you like just woke up and they were, the
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girls were like trying to have an intervention. And I
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was like, is Kristen really on drugs? And that, that
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fucks with you because your kids are going to watch
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that one day. Like, and so I think it's fair
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for you to be able to at least clear your
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fucking name with the drugs.
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I party. Like I'm not going to sit here and
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say I never did. I had a lot of fun
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and I'm glad that I did. I got everything out
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of my system, but it was never, I never needed rehab.
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No one in my life was concerned about me. Like it,
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it was totally under control.
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I love that.
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If there's, if you can be a partier that's under control, but, uh, yeah.
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And I, yeah. So, and I just hope that low learned,
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you always have to get that shit in writing, you know?
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Because she never got her purse.
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She didn't?
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No.
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Stop. What kind of purse was it?
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I don't even remember. I want to say it was
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a Birkin.
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It was a Birkin.
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Shut the fuck up. Yeah, it was a Birkin.
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Yeah, but you got to get that shit in writing.
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Absolutely. I would have been like, give it to me
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first and then I'll show up.
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Exactly.
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Damn, no Birkin for Lo. Sorry, girl. And no rehab
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for Kristen. Hope it was worth it.
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If your savings are sitting around earning little to no interest,
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they're sleeping on the job. Wake them up and earn 3.30%
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When you look back, young Kristen is like in that
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moment cameras around. What were the perks of having the
513
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show in your life? And then what was like the
514
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most negative part that you look back on now with perspective?
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I mean, the perks were, it was fun. I would
516
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get phone calls being in, you know, whatever class during
517
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senior year and MTV would be like, Hey, can you
518
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fly to New York tonight to be on TRL tomorrow?
519
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I'm like, yes, absolutely. Like that stuff is fun. You know?
520
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I mean, so there was a lot of cool things
521
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going to the MTV VMAs and, All that stuff was
522
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really fun. I mean, I was still in high school,
523
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so it's not like I was getting great dinner reservations
524
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and stuff, you know. But when I graduated high school
525
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and moved up to L.A., yeah, like I never waited
526
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in a line at a club or a restaurant like
527
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:35.119
that was it was fun. It was very, very fun.
528
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And then the biggest downfall, I'd say. And well, I guess, OK,
529
00:24:41.849 --> 00:24:44.170
more so back in the day was the tabloid world,
530
00:24:44.190 --> 00:24:47.410
that aspect of it. Now, I'm not so much in
531
00:24:47.450 --> 00:24:49.960
the tabloids like I was back in the day, but
532
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what I don't like now is every time I feel
533
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like I do an interview, like what they take, they'll
534
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.359
take nothing and turn it into headlines for clickbait. And
535
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that shit really pisses me off still. Like I just
536
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.579
did another podcast and we were talking about dating and.
537
00:25:05.299 --> 00:25:07.859
I guess we were talking about Instagram. Um, and I
538
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:09.640
said that I only noticed the verified ones cause they
539
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go to the top. I'm not like, and we were
540
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like joking around. So now all these fucking articles are like,
541
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Kristen's using Instagram as a dating app. And it's like, no,
542
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I'm not. That's not what I was saying.
543
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Right?
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No, I do. I totally get that. Like the spinning
545
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of the words and it almost makes you like not
546
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want to do shit. It makes me not want to talk,
547
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which I think you do love to talk though.
548
00:25:28.950 --> 00:25:30.390
I know, but I feel like in the last few
549
00:25:30.430 --> 00:25:33.769
years I don't talk as much because I don't I'm not,
550
00:25:33.829 --> 00:25:35.650
people probably don't know this about me. They probably think
551
00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:38.589
I love all the attention. I actually don't, unless it's
552
00:25:38.609 --> 00:25:41.609
for something positive, like my company, like Uncommon James or
553
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something that I'm like, all right, that's great. But I really,
554
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I don't care about being in the press or the tabloids.
555
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I really don't.
556
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Is MTV paying for everyone's therapy? They should be, but no,
557
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they didn't offer. No.
558
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And actually, Stephen told me on our podcast that they
559
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gave him a speech coach. And I'm like, really? Because
560
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I probably needed one out of everybody. And they didn't
561
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offer me that.
562
00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:05.910
They offered him? Wait, back when he was in Laguna?
563
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Yes.
564
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Yeah.
565
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Did he need a speech coach?
566
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I didn't think so.
567
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I did.
568
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I'm like, that would have gone against the character they
569
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wanted me to be.
570
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:16.539
Right. Like rough around the edges, like wild Kristen. How
571
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do you think having your first relationship, like serious first
572
00:26:20.539 --> 00:26:25.650
love and relationship air on TV impacted you? your future relationships?
573
00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:32.599
Oh, um, I don't think my relationship being on camera
574
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affected my future relationships. I think just being in the
575
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press then affected my future relationships. And again, it goes
576
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.160
back to that whole trust thing. Unfortunately, I've had to
577
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.529
be careful with guys that I date because a lot
578
00:26:44.549 --> 00:26:47.069
of guys were, what I have found is a few
579
00:26:47.109 --> 00:26:49.549
different things. They get a little taste of fame and
580
00:26:49.569 --> 00:26:52.960
they lose their mind. They become addicted to it almost and,
581
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Or it's really threatening for a lot of guys. So
582
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then they get really jealous and insecure about it. So
583
00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:01.130
that's been really tricky for me.
584
00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:03.750
Wait, when you say they get addicted, how can you
585
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immediately tell, oh, fuck, he's turned?
586
00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:07.759
It takes me a second.
587
00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:09.059
Right.
588
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You can just tell... What I can't fucking stand is
589
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when a guy will plant breadcrumbs. You know that saying
590
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:18.380
on Instagram?
591
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I dated a guy.
592
00:27:20.490 --> 00:27:22.059
I dated a guy who would come to Nashville and
593
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.490
he would like tag the location. And I'm like, why?
594
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You've never tagged a location in your life.
595
00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:28.089
Why are you now?
596
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That shit I can't stand.
597
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Because it's so purposeful. Like, he's looking to kind of
598
00:27:32.789 --> 00:27:35.029
be like, I hope this gets picked up by someone
599
00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:36.970
and I hope there's an article. Like, are they seeing
600
00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:37.190
each other?
601
00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:38.650
Yeah, like, you're disgusting to me.
602
00:27:38.789 --> 00:27:40.430
You're like, I don't even know you that well. We're
603
00:27:40.450 --> 00:27:42.490
trying to get to know each other, like, before we
604
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.819
actually start dating. Like, chill the fuck out.
605
00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:48.039
Or what I've noticed, if it's not about the guy,
606
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.859
the attention, they do not like that. So then they're like, oh,
607
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.559
you know, like, totally put it down. I'm like, it's
608
00:27:52.579 --> 00:27:53.619
because it's not about you.
609
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.000
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
610
00:27:55.460 --> 00:27:55.640
So.
611
00:27:56.660 --> 00:27:59.359
You married someone that was famous and was in the
612
00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:02.549
public eye. How did you meet Jay Cutler?
613
00:28:03.509 --> 00:28:09.170
So I, well, I got a call from my publicist
614
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in 2009 when I was still filming The Hills. And
615
00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:15.730
he said, Jay Cutler wants to fly you to Chicago
616
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and take you on a date. And I had no
617
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idea who he was. And I just wasn't interested, quite honestly.
618
00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:23.380
So I said no. I obviously told my mom about it, though,
619
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because a year later I was visiting my mom who
620
00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:28.670
lives in a suburb of Chicago. And we were going
621
00:28:28.809 --> 00:28:32.890
to a Bears preseason game with my cousin for actually
622
00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:36.049
my friend Matt Leinart, who was playing on the opposing team.
623
00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:39.269
And my mom said, you know, didn't Jay Cutler ask
624
00:28:39.289 --> 00:28:40.859
you out? And I was like, oh, yeah, I totally
625
00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:43.079
forgot about that. My cousin, who is like the biggest
626
00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:45.829
Bears fan, told me what an idiot I am. So
627
00:28:45.910 --> 00:28:47.809
long story short, I got his family passes to meet
628
00:28:47.829 --> 00:28:49.589
him after the game thinking I would never talk to
629
00:28:49.609 --> 00:28:51.650
Jay ever again. And, you know, but my cousin would
630
00:28:51.670 --> 00:28:54.400
be like over the moon about it. And he walked
631
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:58.640
in and he was a lot cuter in person. And
632
00:28:59.299 --> 00:29:01.460
we hung out two nights later. And then honestly, we
633
00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.859
just moved so fast. I mean, we got engaged after
634
00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:05.240
eight months and it just moved.
635
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.109
What initially attracted you to him?
636
00:29:08.779 --> 00:29:11.700
So at the time, I remember my life felt very
637
00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:14.539
claustrophobic living in L.A. I couldn't leave my house without
638
00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:17.220
a million paparazzi every day. And I just was over it.
639
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.990
Every guy in L.A. I felt like was a little bitch,
640
00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:24.589
to be completely honest. And I wanted someone who could
641
00:29:24.630 --> 00:29:27.130
like be the alpha because I felt like everything in
642
00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:29.430
my life, I was always the alpha. So I wanted
643
00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:31.970
to be in the passenger seat for once. Jay checked
644
00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:37.779
all of those boxes. And honestly, we just had chemistry.
645
00:29:37.819 --> 00:29:40.900
You can't pick and choose who you like. You know
646
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.019
what I'm saying? And so we just had that spark.
647
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.519
And yeah. So with where I was at at the
648
00:29:46.569 --> 00:29:49.430
time in my life, he was perfect for me.
649
00:29:50.130 --> 00:29:54.009
I wanted to discuss dating an athlete and marrying an
650
00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:55.529
athlete because I've dated.
651
00:29:56.970 --> 00:29:58.309
I was going to say a few. I've dated a
652
00:29:58.329 --> 00:30:01.029
lot of athletes. Okay. Everyone knows I've dated a lot
653
00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:05.430
of athletes, had serious relationships, flings, whatever. And they're an
654
00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:09.690
interesting breed. Yeah. Was Jay your first professional athlete that
655
00:30:09.710 --> 00:30:09.950
you dated?
656
00:30:10.009 --> 00:30:10.109
No.
657
00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:12.829
I have a few under my belt as well so
658
00:30:12.849 --> 00:30:13.170
you kind.
659
00:30:13.069 --> 00:30:15.130
Of already knew kind of the game you know it
660
00:30:15.170 --> 00:30:16.710
helps when you have them under your belt because you
661
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:17.819
kind of know i get.
662
00:30:17.730 --> 00:30:21.740
That world so well so well you have like the
663
00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:25.279
whole playbook ready to go like musicians fucking insane i
664
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.579
won't go near another one but athletes i could do
665
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.339
that world oh they're all the fucking do that shit
666
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.319
in my sleep absolutely.
667
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.059
What were some of the perks of dating a pro
668
00:30:33.140 --> 00:30:34.059
athlete in your mind.
669
00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:37.059
Well, in Chicago, I mean, he was a huge deal,
670
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.680
you know. And so it was like instead of me
671
00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:42.039
always having to get a dinner reservation, like Jay could
672
00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:44.400
fucking do it. Like dumb shit like that, though. But
673
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.700
it mattered at the time. Life was just it was
674
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.940
easy and fun with him.
675
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.140
Totally. You know, did you fit in with the other
676
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:53.430
players wives? Yeah, I did. You did.
677
00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:53.710
I did.
678
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.039
See, I didn't as well because they would want me
679
00:30:56.059 --> 00:30:57.380
to go to a luncheon or like.
680
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:58.849
There's a lot of that shit, which I wasn't a
681
00:30:58.849 --> 00:30:59.019
fan of.
682
00:30:59.029 --> 00:30:59.619
I couldn't do.
683
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.289
No, but like, yeah, we all got along.
684
00:31:01.329 --> 00:31:02.690
You got along. Yeah, yeah. But maybe you weren't like
685
00:31:02.730 --> 00:31:04.549
at all the luncheons with like... Oh, God.
686
00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:06.210
No, I don't think I went to a Bears luncheon
687
00:31:06.250 --> 00:31:08.089
until like my last season there with them.
688
00:31:08.230 --> 00:31:09.559
I was like, all right, I'll go. They would always
689
00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:11.500
ask me and I'd be like... ladies I gotta go
690
00:31:11.539 --> 00:31:13.359
to work and they'd be like but we have a
691
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.319
luncheon at noon on Wednesday and I'm like sorry sorry
692
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:18.960
no but they are sweet they are sweet what.
693
00:31:18.859 --> 00:31:20.799
I found was most of them had been together since
694
00:31:20.819 --> 00:31:22.779
they were like 18.
695
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.339
So many of them and I guess I get it
696
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.319
and I think that's where maybe it was cool because
697
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:28.019
you had a different dynamic where like a lot of
698
00:31:28.059 --> 00:31:29.740
them try to stay with the people that knew them
699
00:31:29.779 --> 00:31:32.420
before they got big and you and Jay had a
700
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:34.500
different dynamic because you both were big in your own
701
00:31:34.579 --> 00:31:36.640
right so there could kind of be this just mutual
702
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:38.920
like we both have our own things going on that
703
00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:41.970
makes sense What were some of the hardest aspects of
704
00:31:42.029 --> 00:31:45.039
being married to someone whose job is to play football?
705
00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:48.559
Well, I mean, I love someone who has their own
706
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.599
shit going on. So that was great. But I think
707
00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:52.579
the hardest part was watching him get the shit beat
708
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:54.769
out of him week after week. You know, football is
709
00:31:54.789 --> 00:31:58.009
a really tough sport. And so that was difficult, especially
710
00:31:58.049 --> 00:32:00.569
after we had kids, too. You know, then things just
711
00:32:00.609 --> 00:32:01.670
become even more serious.
712
00:32:01.809 --> 00:32:02.009
But.
713
00:32:03.619 --> 00:32:07.380
Other than that, loved the schedule, loved him traveling, loved
714
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.869
him going, like, please go do you, you know?
715
00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:11.910
Yeah, I also feel like football is, like, one of
716
00:32:11.950 --> 00:32:13.210
the better schedules.
717
00:32:13.309 --> 00:32:14.210
It's not bad at all.
718
00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:16.009
Baseball, it's like, I'll see you never.
719
00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:18.150
Oh, bye. Also, that's why they have girlfriends in every city.
720
00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:22.150
Every single city. They would always call it, like, road beef.
721
00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:23.630
And I was like, excuse me, why are you saying
722
00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:25.549
this in front of me? And my boyfriend's friends would
723
00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:27.910
always be like... our road beef in, like, Minnesota.
724
00:32:27.930 --> 00:32:30.759
I dated a baseball player who actually sent flowers to
725
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.839
me and one of my friends on Valentine's Day. I mean,
726
00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:37.519
this was so long ago. But, yeah, I was like, oh. Like,
727
00:32:37.539 --> 00:32:39.099
they have no shame.
728
00:32:39.259 --> 00:32:41.259
No shame. No shame. They're like, what?
729
00:32:41.660 --> 00:32:43.380
No, literally. And totally told me he had a girlfriend
730
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:44.380
up in San Francisco.
731
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:45.099
Like, I mean, oh, yeah.
732
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.240
I was like, oh, okay, well. Hey, there's something about
733
00:32:47.259 --> 00:32:47.839
the honesty.
734
00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:50.839
Wait, they're like, but, like, she's my girlfriend in that city.
735
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.259
You're like, you're here.
736
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:52.349
Why?
737
00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:57.470
Why not? Did you ever worry about Jay's behavior on
738
00:32:57.490 --> 00:32:58.490
the road when he was gone?
739
00:32:58.849 --> 00:32:59.210
I didn't.
740
00:32:59.269 --> 00:33:01.809
And that's why football is actually a good sport because
741
00:33:01.829 --> 00:33:04.950
they're gone for one night. They have curfew the night before.
742
00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:06.369
It's the night before a game. As soon as the
743
00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:08.250
game's over, they get right on a plane and come home.
744
00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:09.450
There's no room.
745
00:33:09.849 --> 00:33:12.759
There's no room for that behavior. They do and they
746
00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:16.099
have and they will continue to. But at the time,
747
00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:18.619
I didn't have any reason to suspect.
748
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.619
How did the dynamic of your marriage change once Jay retired?
749
00:33:23.650 --> 00:33:26.660
I mean, it actually kind of didn't. And we started
750
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:32.119
very Cavallari right away. And so it kind of it didn't.
751
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:33.259
He was just around a lot more.
752
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.500
OK, so you guys were getting to spend more time.
753
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.609
A lot more time.
754
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:36.849
Yeah.
755
00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:40.450
Initially, when you got engaged, you postponed the wedding. You
756
00:33:40.490 --> 00:33:42.109
said one of the reasons was you didn't want to
757
00:33:42.150 --> 00:33:44.599
be a stay at home wife. What made you think
758
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.599
that you would have to be staying at home if
759
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:47.279
you got married?
760
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:48.960
I mean, it was so much bigger than that, though.
761
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:50.839
I think I probably said that at the time to
762
00:33:50.859 --> 00:33:57.299
like say something and move on. But basically, I ended
763
00:33:57.339 --> 00:34:00.079
the or I called off the engagement the same reason
764
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:03.200
I got a divorce. Same reasons, I should say. And
765
00:34:03.259 --> 00:34:06.579
so I guess if there's any takeaway from that is
766
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:11.570
you can't ignore red flags. People don't change. And you
767
00:34:11.590 --> 00:34:13.880
got to trust your gut. I was 23 when I
768
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.030
met Jay, you know, I was a baby. And at
769
00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:18.780
the time in my life, getting married and having kids
770
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.050
was the next natural step. I'd gotten everything out of
771
00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:23.550
my system and I don't regret anything at all. And
772
00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:28.570
I really am thankful for our time together. But, um, yeah,
773
00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:32.389
I just think, you know, now I'm so different dating.
774
00:34:32.590 --> 00:34:35.809
I see shit a mile away and now it's like, no,
775
00:34:36.010 --> 00:34:37.389
I'm actually not going to put up with that. Cause
776
00:34:37.409 --> 00:34:38.469
you know what it is now for me, it's a
777
00:34:38.489 --> 00:34:41.480
huge turnoff. Instead of being like, oh, well, you know,
778
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.659
maybe he'll change. Maybe we could fix him. It's like, no, no, no, no.
779
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:45.000
Goodbye.
780
00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:46.360
I don't have time for that anymore.
781
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.840
You say it wasn't because of loss of love that
782
00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:52.000
you guys got divorced, but because you couldn't be in
783
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:56.090
a toxic relationship anymore. What was toxic about it?
784
00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:00.170
So here's my only thing, because I have three kids
785
00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:03.449
with him. I'm very careful about what I say. If
786
00:35:03.889 --> 00:35:05.510
you and I didn't have microphones in front of us,
787
00:35:05.670 --> 00:35:06.489
I'd fucking tell you.
788
00:35:06.610 --> 00:35:06.789
But.
789
00:35:07.550 --> 00:35:10.659
You know, that's their dad. And my oldest Googles us now.
790
00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:14.199
And I just want to be very careful. My mom
791
00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:17.159
never said anything bad about my dad growing up. And
792
00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:19.480
I really respected that. And I want to be that
793
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:22.179
kind of mom. And even if I don't say anything,
794
00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:24.719
the headlines will say I fucking trashed him somehow. So
795
00:35:24.739 --> 00:35:28.360
I just, you know, it was toxic. I think period,
796
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:29.980
end of story. That's all I kind of need to say.
797
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.010
When did your family and friends realize?
798
00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:33.570
Forever.
799
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.250
They did? Oh, okay. Because I know sometimes you can, like,
800
00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:38.349
try to hide it because I've.
801
00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:40.510
Actually, yeah, okay. I kind of hid it from some
802
00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:42.809
of my friends. My mom knew every step of the way.
803
00:35:42.969 --> 00:35:46.570
And my best friend, Stephanie, who's in Chicago. But, like, Justin,
804
00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:48.690
my best friend, he didn't realize it until he moved
805
00:35:48.730 --> 00:35:50.510
to Nashville. And then he saw it firsthand.
806
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.960
When you get to a place where you are trying
807
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:54.900
to hide stuff from your friends or your family that's
808
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.659
also a red flag for yourself of like why aren't
809
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.059
you telling your friends it's so true and then it's
810
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.099
like to get out and then it's almost harder once
811
00:36:02.139 --> 00:36:07.039
that you're so deep in it by yourself that You're.
812
00:36:06.579 --> 00:36:08.480
A lone ranger just on your own island.
813
00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:09.920
And then you're like, how do I even tell my
814
00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:13.019
friends because I've been faking this for so long? But
815
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.090
you're saying your family knew, so you weren't fully alone.
816
00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:18.530
Yeah, my mom knew. My mom knew. And because my
817
00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:21.210
mom went through some similar stuff with my dad, she
818
00:36:21.230 --> 00:36:24.030
was actually the perfect person for me to have. She
819
00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.510
understood what I was going through. And so that was good.
820
00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:28.969
I also think it's really important if you do have
821
00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:33.210
issues with your dad, obviously for girls especially, To work
822
00:36:33.269 --> 00:36:35.599
through that shit before you get married because otherwise we
823
00:36:35.619 --> 00:36:37.199
end up with our dad.
824
00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:41.619
When you think you have any fucking issues with just
825
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.239
even like your family, your parents, that shit, if you
826
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.199
don't work on that, you're about to turn right around
827
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:49.320
and do the same fucking shit. And so it can
828
00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:51.170
be a little bit of like a daunting process, but
829
00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:52.969
you have to work through it or you're going to
830
00:36:52.989 --> 00:36:57.449
marry your father. Exactly. When you are breaking up with someone, it...
831
00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:00.599
fucking sucks. Even if you, no matter what side you're on,
832
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.489
no matter what side and what is worse, especially with
833
00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:06.389
social media is like, it's hard to see someone move on.
834
00:37:06.929 --> 00:37:07.210
Yeah.
835
00:37:07.630 --> 00:37:10.010
How did it make you feel or does it make
836
00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:13.199
you feel like if you still see, or when, if
837
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.440
he's like out with other people, like I hope that.
838
00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:17.920
He finds someone. Yeah, I really do. I mean, I
839
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.800
want him happy. My kids benefit from that, you know?
840
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:25.139
So I hope that he gets remarried and I mean,
841
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.030
I really do. Obviously, the first time I heard about it,
842
00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:29.829
it stung a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's anybody, you know?
843
00:37:29.989 --> 00:37:30.309
Totally.
844
00:37:30.329 --> 00:37:33.570
And I'm friends with almost all of my exes, and
845
00:37:33.590 --> 00:37:37.889
I think that that's a good thing. Like, I really
846
00:37:38.269 --> 00:37:40.510
value the time I've had with everybody. I've learned from
847
00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:43.610
every relationship I've had, and I really want all of
848
00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:46.360
my exes to be happy and be in a great relationship.
849
00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:52.260
For young women listening, it's fucking hard to end something that, especially,
850
00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:54.730
I'm sure, when you have children, like, You have deep
851
00:37:54.769 --> 00:37:58.570
ties with someone. There is love there because what you've created,
852
00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:01.510
the world you've created with this person. But when you
853
00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:05.590
know something's not right for you, how did you like
854
00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:09.489
mentally work through ending it officially?
855
00:38:09.510 --> 00:38:13.559
Because that is hard. It's really scary. I mean, it
856
00:38:13.579 --> 00:38:16.440
took me a few years to actually pull the trigger,
857
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:17.099
to be honest.
858
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.780
For you, was it just time or were you finally like, okay,
859
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.500
something happened, like now I'm going to do it?
860
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.880
No, it was more just time. It was like nothing
861
00:38:26.019 --> 00:38:29.320
major happened at the end. It was just time. And
862
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:31.159
I remember always asking my mom, like, well, how am
863
00:38:31.179 --> 00:38:32.860
I going to know? And she would be like, you'll
864
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.340
just know.
865
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:34.400
And I did.
866
00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:38.530
I just kind of knew. And it's the scariest thing.
867
00:38:38.570 --> 00:38:41.610
It's also the saddest thing. I mean, it's so many emotions,
868
00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:44.550
but it can also be the best thing. And so
869
00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:47.699
I really don't think anything good comes easy, really, like
870
00:38:47.739 --> 00:38:50.519
with anything in life. And so- But also you don't
871
00:38:50.539 --> 00:38:53.320
want to like just make an impulsive decision either. And
872
00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:55.840
I think that's why it's important to write it out.
873
00:38:55.900 --> 00:38:57.889
I've also seen couples that have worked through shit and
874
00:38:57.929 --> 00:39:00.449
come out on the other side, you know? So, I mean, you,
875
00:39:00.730 --> 00:39:02.909
I think with any relationship, you just have to realize
876
00:39:03.250 --> 00:39:05.309
what are deal breakers for you, what's important to you
877
00:39:05.349 --> 00:39:08.380
and what's not. And I was really unhappy. I mean,
878
00:39:08.429 --> 00:39:10.039
and that was the bottom line and I was in
879
00:39:10.059 --> 00:39:12.980
an unhealthy relationship. And so that to me is not
880
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:16.039
worth it. Also, I didn't want my kids thinking that
881
00:39:16.219 --> 00:39:19.349
was normal. And yeah, you know, I wanted them to
882
00:39:19.389 --> 00:39:22.639
see me happy and see me eventually, not right now,
883
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.179
but eventually see me with someone who really respects me
884
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:26.929
and treats me the way I need to be treated.
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Visit drinkaware.ie. Okay. You are now recording a Laguna Beach
896
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.260
rewatch podcast with your ex-boyfriend in high school. I don't
897
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.159
know if I could ever fucking sit down with my
898
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:28.820
ex-boyfriend and be like, let's... And also the fact that
899
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.150
you have to rewatch it.
900
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:30.599
I know.
901
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.840
It's like, holy fuck. Do you see yourself ever hooking
902
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:36.579
up with Steven again?
903
00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:40.989
No, I went to dinner with him almost two years
904
00:40:41.030 --> 00:40:43.750
ago and we kissed, which was fun. I mean, we
905
00:40:43.789 --> 00:40:45.449
had had a couple of drinks and yeah, we were, yeah,
906
00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:46.809
it was just fun, you know?
907
00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:47.289
Right.
908
00:40:47.389 --> 00:40:49.730
And then I was actually dating someone at the time,
909
00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:52.670
you know, I'm just making up for lost time. And
910
00:40:52.769 --> 00:40:54.670
so I think that was kind of what the issue was,
911
00:40:54.730 --> 00:40:58.369
was that I was dating someone else and it just
912
00:40:58.469 --> 00:41:00.369
kind of just didn't turn into anything.
913
00:41:00.650 --> 00:41:02.389
Do you feel like you guys are like, cause you
914
00:41:02.409 --> 00:41:04.969
know how everyone's like your first love? Like, do you
915
00:41:04.989 --> 00:41:08.510
think there's any... way you would explore it again.
916
00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:13.469
No, I really... Once I'm done with someone, I'm done.
917
00:41:13.630 --> 00:41:16.639
It's like a light switch flips and I can't go back.
918
00:41:16.949 --> 00:41:18.780
Are you guys having that moment? I actually feel like
919
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.480
this is something I would think about in high school.
920
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.559
It's like, are you guys having any of those moments
921
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:25.599
where together you kind of regress back to the high
922
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.239
school version of yourself together? Because do you even know
923
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.699
adult versions of each other?
924
00:41:30.139 --> 00:41:31.949
Well, we've kept in touch and we would hang out
925
00:41:31.989 --> 00:41:33.909
a little bit before I got married and stuff.
926
00:41:34.090 --> 00:41:34.369
But.
927
00:41:35.230 --> 00:41:38.550
And I think... Had we not gone to dinner almost
928
00:41:38.590 --> 00:41:41.409
two years ago, I don't know that the podcast would,
929
00:41:41.590 --> 00:41:42.750
I don't know that we would have, well, I'm sure
930
00:41:42.769 --> 00:41:44.869
we would have had the same chemistry, but it put
931
00:41:44.929 --> 00:41:46.719
me at ease because I was like, I know that
932
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.500
we still can, you know, banter back and forth, have
933
00:41:49.539 --> 00:41:51.599
fun together. So that was a good thing.
934
00:41:52.059 --> 00:41:54.960
You need to take us through the last date you
935
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:55.420
went on.
936
00:41:56.380 --> 00:41:56.619
Okay.
937
00:41:57.699 --> 00:42:00.579
Where did you go? Did you like the person? Kristen,
938
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:01.300
give us the tea.
939
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:02.719
This is a good story, actually.
940
00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:04.400
Okay. Tell us. Here we go.
941
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.820
So I hate actors, you know. I've always known that.
942
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.079
Like in my early 20s, I went out with a
943
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.500
few and I was like, they're the worst. But an
944
00:42:12.579 --> 00:42:14.440
actor asked me out. I was like, all right. So
945
00:42:14.460 --> 00:42:16.860
this was in L.A. This was probably like two months ago.
946
00:42:17.389 --> 00:42:20.929
And I went to Laurel Hardware. I hope he doesn't
947
00:42:20.989 --> 00:42:21.429
hear this.
948
00:42:21.969 --> 00:42:24.260
It's okay I've gone on dates there too let's just
949
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.380
pretend it was me there but you there who was
950
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.000
it we don't know keep going Laurel Hardware that's a good.
951
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.599
Place for drinks so he was slamming drinks like slamming
952
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.539
drinks and then at one point he was telling me
953
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.280
he does his own stunts we were sitting at the
954
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:39.849
bar okay it's fucking packed he gets up to reenact
955
00:42:39.909 --> 00:42:43.750
a stunt that he had done accidentally runs into the
956
00:42:43.809 --> 00:42:45.590
waiter and is like oh I'm so sorry I was
957
00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:49.170
like please sit the fuck down I can't just creating
958
00:42:49.289 --> 00:42:50.880
all this commotion in the middle.
959
00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:54.219
Of Laurel Hardware I am so turned off. He tried
960
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:55.199
to do a stunt.
961
00:42:55.460 --> 00:42:58.699
Reenacting a stunt in the middle of a packed restaurant.
962
00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:00.699
I was like, please sit down. Please sit down.
963
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.579
Also, just drawing so much attention. That's why I'm like,
964
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:05.639
oh my God. Also, why are you doing a stunt
965
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:06.420
in Laurel Hardware?
966
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:07.219
Sit the fuck down.
967
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.889
And to confirm, anyone that's not from LA, that is
968
00:43:09.969 --> 00:43:12.340
a packed bar. It is not a hardware store. Thank
969
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:13.050
you very much.
970
00:43:13.349 --> 00:43:13.750
It was awful.
971
00:43:13.769 --> 00:43:15.130
So then did you talk to him afterwards?
972
00:43:15.289 --> 00:43:18.030
He's texted me a couple times. And I can't just
973
00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:18.869
ghost someone.
974
00:43:18.889 --> 00:43:19.130
Right.
975
00:43:19.789 --> 00:43:21.909
But I give him like a one word response.
976
00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:22.670
I don't even know.
977
00:43:22.730 --> 00:43:24.570
We're in a serious relationship.
978
00:43:24.929 --> 00:43:25.969
Literally. Okay.
979
00:43:25.989 --> 00:43:27.570
So you're just kind of like, I get that. Wait,
980
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:29.159
why do you think you can't go someone?
981
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.179
I'm too fucking nice, which people would not know about me.
982
00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:33.940
I'm too nice.
983
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:35.400
Really? Yeah.
984
00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:37.880
I wouldn't want to be ghosted either. I would actually
985
00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:41.079
appreciate someone just being like, Hey, you know what? You're great.
986
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:42.340
But like, didn't feel any chemistry.
987
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:42.900
Totally.
988
00:43:43.059 --> 00:43:44.599
Which I said that to another guy. I was like, Hey,
989
00:43:44.619 --> 00:43:46.579
I didn't feel any chemistry. And his friends were making
990
00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:48.280
fun of me for weeks about it. I'm like, I
991
00:43:48.340 --> 00:43:51.960
actually thought I was being like mature, not wasting anyone's time.
992
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.699
I love that. What can they say to that? Exactly.
993
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.980
He deleted my number and told all of his friends
994
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.260
and everyone was making fun of me. I'm like, Okay, well,
995
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.159
thank you for validating why the fuck I don't like you.
996
00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:04.489
Right, and I'm an adult, and sorry you couldn't take
997
00:44:04.530 --> 00:44:05.250
the fucking truth.
998
00:44:05.289 --> 00:44:07.630
I'm trying not to waste anyone's time. Totally.
999
00:44:07.650 --> 00:44:09.849
Let's move on. If you are not having a good
1000
00:44:09.869 --> 00:44:12.389
time on a date, because I feel like this is me,
1001
00:44:12.449 --> 00:44:14.510
and I'm wondering if it would be you. They won't
1002
00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:16.809
know that I'm not having a good time. I'm going
1003
00:44:16.829 --> 00:44:19.010
to like people please it up and be like laughing
1004
00:44:19.070 --> 00:44:20.719
and then he's going to think we're leaving and I'm
1005
00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:22.739
having the best time and I'm not going to want
1006
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:24.940
to talk to him. Do you give signs on a
1007
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:25.860
date if you're not into it?
1008
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.099
I know because it's the same thing. Like I'll fucking
1009
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.360
show up to the party, you know? But what I've
1010
00:44:30.380 --> 00:44:32.920
been doing is I won't go on dinner dates. I
1011
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.500
will get a drink. Smart. They usually turn into dinner
1012
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.860
because again, I'm too fucking nice.
1013
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.119
But.
1014
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:42.659
Like, this guy who was acting out stunts got dinner
1015
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.500
with them. I'm like, what am I doing?
1016
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.519
You're like, let's get the ravioli. Dude. I'm like, I
1017
00:44:47.539 --> 00:44:48.480
got to go home.
1018
00:44:48.579 --> 00:44:49.699
Fuck.
1019
00:44:49.739 --> 00:44:49.860
Yeah.
1020
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.639
So, because I know, because I need to come up
1021
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.389
with a better game plan. I'm like, oh, I have
1022
00:44:53.409 --> 00:44:54.530
an early morning, you know.
1023
00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:54.929
Right.
1024
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.750
Actually, this is another funny story. I almost want to
1025
00:44:57.769 --> 00:45:00.139
say who it was with. In my early 20s.
1026
00:45:00.349 --> 00:45:02.929
Okay. You have to uncolor daddy. Come on.
1027
00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:05.780
All right. I'll say it. Don't say it.
1028
00:45:05.909 --> 00:45:07.340
It's in your early 20s.
1029
00:45:07.349 --> 00:45:08.869
This is going, don't say it. All right, I'll tell
1030
00:45:08.889 --> 00:45:11.250
you the story. So I went on a date with
1031
00:45:11.289 --> 00:45:12.969
a guy. This is my early 20s, height of my
1032
00:45:13.010 --> 00:45:13.869
partying career, right?
1033
00:45:13.889 --> 00:45:14.070
Okay.
1034
00:45:14.590 --> 00:45:17.809
He was vegan and he was sober. And I was like, um,
1035
00:45:18.829 --> 00:45:20.150
one or the other, right?
1036
00:45:20.170 --> 00:45:20.380
Pick one.
1037
00:45:20.389 --> 00:45:20.829
Pick one.
1038
00:45:20.849 --> 00:45:24.449
Preferably both, but, or like be both. So I was like,
1039
00:45:24.469 --> 00:45:25.510
I have an early morning.
1040
00:45:25.590 --> 00:45:25.969
Well, sorry.
1041
00:45:26.170 --> 00:45:27.610
Went back to his house, made out with him on
1042
00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:28.909
his bed. I was like, I have a really early
1043
00:45:28.949 --> 00:45:31.449
morning tomorrow. Got to, you know, changed in my car,
1044
00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:34.940
went to Hyde. I'm such a dumbass. Of course there's paparazzi.
1045
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:36.699
The next day he was like, my friend saw you
1046
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.360
at hide. I was like, Oh really?
1047
00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:41.260
You're like, it's so crazy. I was on my way
1048
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:43.780
home and I got an email that the event in
1049
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.369
the morning was canceled. So I thought you were asleep.
1050
00:45:46.869 --> 00:45:49.909
I'm going to go to hide. I felt so bad.
1051
00:45:49.969 --> 00:45:52.789
I felt so bad. And he's really cute. But like
1052
00:45:52.829 --> 00:45:55.369
at the time in my life, like I'm eating me
1053
00:45:55.429 --> 00:45:57.150
and I'm drinking a lot of alcohol.
1054
00:45:57.170 --> 00:46:00.510
We can't do this I actually respect the honesty though
1055
00:46:00.530 --> 00:46:04.599
because I have done something similar where like if they're
1056
00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:07.019
just not on your wavelength and especially when you're in
1057
00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:09.570
your early 20s and you're like I am going to
1058
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.110
every club I want to be known at that club
1059
00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:12.869
my job is.
1060
00:46:12.829 --> 00:46:15.909
To go out right now I don't think you understand.
1061
00:46:15.389 --> 00:46:17.110
That and so it's like even if they're a great
1062
00:46:17.150 --> 00:46:18.710
guy maybe if you met him later on.
1063
00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:20.820
By the way if I Oh, I've seen him not
1064
00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:23.500
that long ago, but like great guy, you know, like
1065
00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:23.940
it's not.
1066
00:46:23.860 --> 00:46:26.719
Meant for you. You were more interested in getting fucked
1067
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.409
up at hide. I wanted to go to hide, man. Okay.
1068
00:46:29.449 --> 00:46:30.070
Sloshed.
1069
00:46:30.260 --> 00:46:33.449
Can you tell us who is the most famous person
1070
00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:34.030
you've denied?
1071
00:46:34.510 --> 00:46:35.269
Denied?
1072
00:46:35.289 --> 00:46:43.269
Oh God. Um, what about initials? Your publicist is having
1073
00:46:43.309 --> 00:46:46.869
a panic attack. What about tell us the profession?
1074
00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:51.699
Um, I didn't deny a lot of people back in
1075
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:52.340
the day, to be honest.
1076
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.679
You're like, did you just hear I'm a people pleaser?
1077
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.539
I'm staying on the date with the guy doing the stunt. Alex,
1078
00:46:58.860 --> 00:46:59.579
everyone's getting it.
1079
00:46:59.579 --> 00:47:01.179
I had dinner with him, all right? Fine.
1080
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.559
No one's getting denied. Okay, how about this? You see
1081
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.519
someone on Instagram you find attractive.
1082
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:07.000
Okay.
1083
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.880
How do you vet these people to see if they're
1084
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.880
worthy of you DMing them and pursuing them?
1085
00:47:12.260 --> 00:47:13.179
I won't DM.
1086
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.079
You don't?
1087
00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:15.719
No, I won't make the first move on Instagram.
1088
00:47:15.739 --> 00:47:15.809
Why?
1089
00:47:17.369 --> 00:47:18.090
Um, okay.
1090
00:47:18.130 --> 00:47:20.730
So where I'm at currently in my life, I want
1091
00:47:20.750 --> 00:47:23.210
to be pursued. I want to be fucking courted. I
1092
00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:26.329
want the man to put in some fucking effort. And
1093
00:47:26.349 --> 00:47:29.940
I think because guys now, so again, I was married,
1094
00:47:29.980 --> 00:47:31.800
I was with Jay for 10 years. This is my
1095
00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:34.539
first time dating in the social media world. Like it's
1096
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.639
a fucking shit show out there. I hate every second
1097
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.280
of it, but guys are lazy as fuck now. And
1098
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:40.980
they're always looking for the next best thing. And so
1099
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.409
it's like, no, I'm sorry. I don't have time for
1100
00:47:42.429 --> 00:47:45.409
your little bullshit anymore. Like Let me see how serious
1101
00:47:45.449 --> 00:47:47.070
you are and put in the effort. So no, I'm
1102
00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:48.010
not making the first move.
1103
00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:51.579
I've said, ladies, if you want something, slide the fuck in.
1104
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.550
But where you're at in your life also kind of
1105
00:47:55.670 --> 00:47:57.710
dictates what you're going to do. So for you, I
1106
00:47:57.750 --> 00:47:59.929
totally hear you. We're like, I'm not... I'm going to
1107
00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:03.429
sit on my couch, drink my tea, and wait for
1108
00:48:03.469 --> 00:48:07.010
the men to come in. And if they're not, fucking sayonara, bitch. Like,
1109
00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:08.949
I don't give a fuck. Okay, I think that's a
1110
00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:09.289
good energy.
1111
00:48:09.309 --> 00:48:11.510
The one thing I did do was I went to
1112
00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:15.800
a show and I posted a story of this musician
1113
00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:18.159
who I did end up dating. So he saw it,
1114
00:48:18.219 --> 00:48:21.539
DM'd me. So, like, that in a roundabout way is
1115
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.150
kind of, like, making a.
1116
00:48:23.139 --> 00:48:25.239
But, like, pretty casual. Yeah, I like that. That's a
1117
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:29.019
good way to do it. If you were going, though...
1118
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.530
To slide into someone's DMs. Let's pretend, like, something hits
1119
00:48:32.610 --> 00:48:35.889
you on a Sunday night. The kids are gone. You're bored.
1120
00:48:35.909 --> 00:48:39.730
You're like, maybe I'll give it a try. What is... Well,
1121
00:48:39.769 --> 00:48:41.769
he's got to be fucking hot, right?
1122
00:48:41.889 --> 00:48:42.230
Okay, true.
1123
00:48:42.250 --> 00:48:44.500
But what are you going to slide in with if
1124
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:44.900
you had to?
1125
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:45.320
If you had to.
1126
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.820
Like, what's my pickup line? What would you say?
1127
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:47.909
Hey.
1128
00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:48.920
Hi.
1129
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:53.280
Chris is like, I'm so lazy with it. Hi. Period. Oh, okay.
1130
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:54.119
This is a fun game.
1131
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:55.860
Oh, God. What would I say?
1132
00:48:55.889 --> 00:48:55.949
Um.
1133
00:48:57.789 --> 00:49:01.480
It really depends on the guy, the situation where he lives. Like,
1134
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.980
if he lives in Nashville, like, it would be different
1135
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.420
than if he lived in L.A., right?
1136
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:05.699
Totally.
1137
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.460
So it would be, I don't know. Like, shit, I
1138
00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:08.960
don't know.
1139
00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:12.429
Because, like, Nashville, you could be, like, something about, like,
1140
00:49:12.449 --> 00:49:16.360
do you go to, like, something about, like, location. Yeah.
1141
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:19.619
Or like, Hey, like, like, are you in Nashville? Like
1142
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.280
something like that. If they're in a different state. Yeah.
1143
00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:24.199
Then it's like LA. I come out here quite a bit.
1144
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:25.300
So I can be like, I'm going to be in
1145
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.239
LA and blah.
1146
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:26.579
Blah, blah.
1147
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:27.800
Like what are you up to? Yeah.
1148
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:28.619
Yeah.
1149
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:31.550
I do have good game. Like, That I know. We know.
1150
00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:32.010
Thank you.
1151
00:49:32.030 --> 00:49:32.650
We watched it.
1152
00:49:32.670 --> 00:49:33.869
I still got it.
1153
00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:36.409
You didn't need to confirm it.
1154
00:49:36.409 --> 00:49:37.190
I do know that.
1155
00:49:38.469 --> 00:49:40.570
I think that's the best part. I remember watching on
1156
00:49:40.590 --> 00:49:44.000
the hills when you came back and you with Brody,
1157
00:49:44.380 --> 00:49:46.840
he was like drooling because it was just like, you
1158
00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:49.300
know how to get the guy sweet. Brody. Do you
1159
00:49:49.449 --> 00:49:51.230
think that would ever go anywhere ever again?
1160
00:49:51.269 --> 00:49:51.670
No.
1161
00:49:51.969 --> 00:49:54.329
I just saw him actually and I met his new girlfriend.
1162
00:49:54.590 --> 00:49:57.670
I love Brody but no. Brody's the only ex I
1163
00:49:57.769 --> 00:49:59.679
ever went back to though and it was because I
1164
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:03.940
was filming The Hills. Interesting. Although on the show we
1165
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.679
didn't actually date but we hung out a little bit.
1166
00:50:06.699 --> 00:50:08.690
I can't remember how it all but What you saw
1167
00:50:08.730 --> 00:50:10.530
on the show was all bullshit. Like, he and Jade
1168
00:50:10.570 --> 00:50:12.489
pretended to break up, but they never actually did.
1169
00:50:12.550 --> 00:50:15.699
Like, all that. Dude, those fight scenes. I was like, Kristen,
1170
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.719
how do you get yourself riled up to just scream
1171
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.719
at these? Is it easy for you to get riled up, though,
1172
00:50:19.739 --> 00:50:20.480
when you're filming now?
1173
00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:22.840
Not anymore. But, like, back in the day, oh, yeah.
1174
00:50:23.110 --> 00:50:24.710
When you showed up, I forget the scene, but you
1175
00:50:24.750 --> 00:50:26.630
showed up. Oh, my God, I remember your hair looked great.
1176
00:50:26.650 --> 00:50:28.710
You were looking great. You showed up, and you're like,
1177
00:50:28.750 --> 00:50:31.510
you want to fuck? Oh, my God. The piranha. The piranha.
1178
00:50:31.530 --> 00:50:33.820
Fucking piranhas. God, I know.
1179
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:34.760
I was hammered.
1180
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.099
I watched that back, and I was like, oh. Heidi
1181
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.630
and Spencer was my first day really filming. Heidi and
1182
00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:43.289
Spencer came with bottles of tequila, and it just went south.
1183
00:50:43.369 --> 00:50:44.269
And when they showed us the tequila.
1184
00:50:44.289 --> 00:50:46.369
You know what I was mad about, though? So before
1185
00:50:46.389 --> 00:50:48.550
I started filming, Adrena and I talked about how we
1186
00:50:48.670 --> 00:50:51.400
know that they want us to fight, and they want
1187
00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:52.920
you to go after Justin and Bobby, and we're not
1188
00:50:52.940 --> 00:50:54.920
going to fall for that shit. I was like, yeah, no,
1189
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:55.380
we're not.
1190
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:55.599
Woo!
1191
00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:55.690
Woo!
1192
00:50:56.409 --> 00:50:58.469
And then we're filming and she comes up to me
1193
00:50:58.510 --> 00:51:00.610
and picks a fight. And I was like, what? Oh,
1194
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.780
I said, that's why I was like, so it's going
1195
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:03.559
to be like that.
1196
00:51:03.579 --> 00:51:06.059
So I was like, what the fuck? We just had
1197
00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:08.860
this conversation. That makes so much sense. Oh my God.
1198
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.320
I forgot that. So it's going to be like that.
1199
00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:10.769
Really?
1200
00:51:10.989 --> 00:51:11.269
Yeah.
1201
00:51:11.309 --> 00:51:11.590
Whatever.
1202
00:51:11.670 --> 00:51:12.670
I was like, fucking.
1203
00:51:12.849 --> 00:51:16.110
Am I crazy? Fuck all of you. Game on.
1204
00:51:16.269 --> 00:51:17.949
That actually makes a lot of sense how you got
1205
00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:21.559
that riled up in that scene. Guys, just Google Kristen Cavallari.
1206
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.599
You came at me like fucking piranhas and you will
1207
00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:27.090
watch the glorious moment that Kristen almost loses her shit.
1208
00:51:27.369 --> 00:51:29.630
But it truly was such an iconic moment. And also
1209
00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:31.510
that's so good to know you were hammered because that
1210
00:51:31.570 --> 00:51:32.889
line was so iconic.
1211
00:51:33.170 --> 00:51:35.090
I'm better when I have a little buzz. Like, the
1212
00:51:35.139 --> 00:51:36.420
shit just comes out of my mouth.
1213
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:38.679
See, sometimes people look like idiots. Kristen's like, give me
1214
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:40.639
a fucking tequila and I will rock your fucking- I
1215
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:45.659
perform way better. I love that. Okay. When you're looking
1216
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:47.849
at someone's Instagram, now that you're learning how to date
1217
00:51:47.869 --> 00:51:51.239
with social media- what is a photo that laugh guys?
1218
00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:53.219
I can't, I feel like I've heard that since I
1219
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.840
came out of the fucking womb. I'm obsessed. It's the giggle.
1220
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.260
It's the cute one also where the guys are endeared.
1221
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.300
And then it's also like sinister for women be like,
1222
00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:01.699
Oh my God, is she going to cut my face
1223
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:02.170
off or do.
1224
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.869
I love her? Okay.
1225
00:52:04.909 --> 00:52:08.670
Wait, if you're going to a guy's Instagram, he DMs you,
1226
00:52:08.730 --> 00:52:12.630
you're like, okay, what could be a photo that you
1227
00:52:12.750 --> 00:52:15.250
see that you're like, Absolutely not.
1228
00:52:15.550 --> 00:52:17.460
Like a shirtless selfie.
1229
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:18.940
The model photo. It's like.
1230
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.159
Yeah.
1231
00:52:19.539 --> 00:52:20.059
Like sorry.
1232
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.510
Gym selfie. Yeah no. We don't need to see it. No.
1233
00:52:23.650 --> 00:52:26.610
Be a man. A manly man who's not taking fucking
1234
00:52:26.650 --> 00:52:27.929
shirtless photos in the mirror.
1235
00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:28.730
I agree. We don't.
1236
00:52:28.750 --> 00:52:30.650
Flex in your. We don't need to see it.
1237
00:52:30.789 --> 00:52:32.869
Cool, bro. No one cares.
1238
00:52:33.289 --> 00:52:37.340
I agree with you. Mine were the fishing photos when
1239
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.559
they're like holding the big fish in the photo. And
1240
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.739
I'm like, sir, what the fuck? I love that that's
1241
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.130
your thing. I just can't take it. I'm from the Northeast.
1242
00:52:47.170 --> 00:52:49.090
To be honest, I would actually love to find someone
1243
00:52:49.130 --> 00:52:52.190
who's not on social media. Or maybe they have one,
1244
00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:54.730
but like they really don't post, you know, like that
1245
00:52:54.769 --> 00:52:55.070
kind of stuff.
1246
00:52:55.090 --> 00:52:57.449
That's the goal. When I met my boyfriend and I
1247
00:52:57.489 --> 00:52:59.929
was like, what, show me your Instagram. And he was like,
1248
00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:02.210
I don't have one. I was like, I.
1249
00:53:02.210 --> 00:53:03.280
Was like, like I will marry you.
1250
00:53:03.329 --> 00:53:06.260
You officially have a second date, buddy. It was, that
1251
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:07.960
was so nice. You're going to find it. You're going
1252
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:10.199
to find it. I think so too. Does someone's prior
1253
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:12.119
dating history in the industry affect if you're going to
1254
00:53:12.139 --> 00:53:12.619
pursue them?
1255
00:53:15.230 --> 00:53:17.469
I would be lying if I said not at all.
1256
00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:20.969
But if you've dated some fucking trash buckets, yeah, it
1257
00:53:21.010 --> 00:53:21.989
kind of stands out.
1258
00:53:23.650 --> 00:53:25.360
Give us the definition of a trash.
1259
00:53:25.380 --> 00:53:27.059
Just like a trashy girl.
1260
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:27.449
Got it.
1261
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:28.179
Yeah.
1262
00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:28.920
Like that.
1263
00:53:29.619 --> 00:53:31.500
Because then I'm like, why would you be into me?
1264
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:33.820
i'm not saying i'm a fucking saint but you know
1265
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.619
what i mean.
1266
00:53:34.579 --> 00:53:36.380
Like i'm not saying i'm not trashy too but i
1267
00:53:36.420 --> 00:53:39.260
have like my own category no no but i get
1268
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.489
what you're saying if like you can tell the vibe
1269
00:53:41.510 --> 00:53:43.650
of someone if they're dating someone completely different like you're
1270
00:53:43.670 --> 00:53:45.190
like i have my business i have my kids like
1271
00:53:45.230 --> 00:53:45.789
i don't got time to.
1272
00:53:45.789 --> 00:53:47.909
Bullshit exactly like i'm just at a different phase in
1273
00:53:47.949 --> 00:53:49.489
my life the shit i put up with when i
1274
00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:51.409
was 21 is totally different than i.
1275
00:53:51.349 --> 00:53:55.869
Will now what is a non-negotiable for you now in
1276
00:53:55.909 --> 00:53:56.929
a potential partner.
1277
00:53:58.369 --> 00:54:03.929
A non-negotiable is someone who cannot take any accountability and
1278
00:54:04.050 --> 00:54:07.670
who is insecure. I mean, honestly, I need someone who
1279
00:54:07.730 --> 00:54:12.050
is so comfortable in their own skin because that's been
1280
00:54:12.070 --> 00:54:14.670
the crux of most of my relationships.
1281
00:54:14.889 --> 00:54:18.070
That makes sense. I've had that before, too, where it's like,
1282
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.739
Because then it comes to you just constantly having to
1283
00:54:20.780 --> 00:54:22.280
build them up. And you're like.
1284
00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:24.550
And they're threatened by everything in my life. And it's like,
1285
00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:26.150
I can't... I don't have time for that anymore. I
1286
00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:27.010
can't babysit you.
1287
00:54:27.190 --> 00:54:27.409
Yeah.
1288
00:54:27.550 --> 00:54:28.730
Would you date an athlete again?
1289
00:54:30.269 --> 00:54:32.929
It's not at the top of my list. I'm not
1290
00:54:32.989 --> 00:54:37.420
looking for one. They like me for some reason. And so...
1291
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.639
I wouldn't rule it out, but I'm not looking for that.
1292
00:54:41.659 --> 00:54:43.300
And I would love to get, I mean, I'm fucking
1293
00:54:43.300 --> 00:54:45.610
35 now. Like they're all a little young for me now.
1294
00:54:46.030 --> 00:54:48.550
I've been attracting a lot of guys in their twenties though.
1295
00:54:48.610 --> 00:54:50.429
I don't know what that's about. I don't know what's
1296
00:54:50.469 --> 00:54:54.070
going on. I mean, I've just decided that like thirties
1297
00:54:54.130 --> 00:54:54.590
at least.
1298
00:54:54.690 --> 00:54:54.929
Okay.
1299
00:54:54.949 --> 00:54:58.090
Like in my perfect mind, I'm like 45, a businessman,
1300
00:54:58.170 --> 00:55:00.269
not on social media. No knows the fuck they are.
1301
00:55:00.730 --> 00:55:02.710
but that's just not what I've been attracting. So I
1302
00:55:02.730 --> 00:55:03.110
don't know.
1303
00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:04.570
But maybe you're also at a point in your life
1304
00:55:04.590 --> 00:55:06.829
where like, since you're newly single and you're getting out there,
1305
00:55:06.869 --> 00:55:09.329
like maybe that's also, it's going to shift, but like
1306
00:55:09.369 --> 00:55:12.159
you're giving some great energy that like the young bucks
1307
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:13.079
are like, I know.
1308
00:55:13.179 --> 00:55:15.119
I'm like, you guys know I have three kids, right?
1309
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:16.039
Okay, cool.
1310
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.380
I just want to throw that out there.
1311
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:18.960
It's like turning them on even more.
1312
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.079
You're like, it's like a 26 year old just asked
1313
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.960
me out. I was like 20 fucking. So I'm like,
1314
00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:25.900
you're hot, but no, like I can't.
1315
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:27.820
You're like, are you going to hide tonight?
1316
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:29.559
I've been there, done that, man.
1317
00:55:29.579 --> 00:55:29.719
I can't.
1318
00:55:30.369 --> 00:55:33.230
Okay, if you could go on a date tomorrow with
1319
00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:37.699
any person of your choice, who would it be?
1320
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:40.360
Maybe Alexander Skarsgård. Is that how you say his name?
1321
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.099
Who is that? Oh, Google him.
1322
00:55:42.139 --> 00:55:45.980
Someone Google him, please. Big Little Lies. I mean, maybe
1323
00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:48.000
his character wasn't the best in that show, but, you know,
1324
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.000
he's been in other shit, right?
1325
00:55:51.019 --> 00:55:53.480
Don't base that off of that character. You're like, it's
1326
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:55.449
not because of the character. It's because of him. Guys,
1327
00:55:55.510 --> 00:55:56.110
don't get it twisted.
1328
00:55:56.130 --> 00:55:58.349
Wow, you really worked through your shit.
1329
00:55:58.730 --> 00:56:01.909
Okay, that's a good answer. Okay, as we wrap up,
1330
00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:05.510
you are everywhere. I feel like when I was prepping
1331
00:56:05.550 --> 00:56:07.449
for this interview, I'm like, I can't keep up with
1332
00:56:07.530 --> 00:56:11.889
Kristen Cavallari enough. Do you feel exhausted by the fact
1333
00:56:11.949 --> 00:56:15.760
that your income and your job is slightly dependent at
1334
00:56:15.780 --> 00:56:17.820
times on you being in the public eye?
1335
00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:21.820
Yeah, I do. Because honestly, if everything went away, I
1336
00:56:21.980 --> 00:56:25.239
would be okay. But now that I'm a single woman,
1337
00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:28.280
especially supporting three children, I have to keep my money
1338
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:28.940
coming in, right?
1339
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:29.400
And so.
1340
00:56:29.989 --> 00:56:34.849
Yeah. But in the same breath, what I'm doing now,
1341
00:56:34.989 --> 00:56:38.210
I really love. The podcast, for example, I've really enjoyed.
1342
00:56:38.670 --> 00:56:40.489
And I do feel like because I live in Nashville,
1343
00:56:40.610 --> 00:56:42.880
I can kind of separate a little bit and I
1344
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:45.900
go back to a really normal, peaceful life. And so
1345
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.539
I actually think I have a really good balance with
1346
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:49.440
everything right now.
1347
00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:53.219
I think that's great. Yeah. And being on TV, sometimes
1348
00:56:53.260 --> 00:56:55.820
I feel like we get a version of you. Like
1349
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.059
you said, everyone's, I just learned that you weren't like
1350
00:56:58.179 --> 00:57:01.300
the most confident girl in high school and it's helpful
1351
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.389
to hear you be able to kind of like debunk
1352
00:57:03.409 --> 00:57:06.909
those myths about yourself through time. What is something you
1353
00:57:06.929 --> 00:57:10.530
feel like people don't understand about you that you wish
1354
00:57:10.570 --> 00:57:12.989
you could just like set straight and they understood like
1355
00:57:13.050 --> 00:57:14.150
who Kristen Cavallari is?
1356
00:57:14.889 --> 00:57:18.110
Well, I think there's obviously a lot of sides to
1357
00:57:18.130 --> 00:57:22.090
my personality. I do have that like fiery go-getter part
1358
00:57:22.130 --> 00:57:23.510
that I think a lot of people do see.
1359
00:57:23.530 --> 00:57:23.650
Mm-hmm.
1360
00:57:24.349 --> 00:57:27.469
I also can be very shy and very reserved. I'm
1361
00:57:27.510 --> 00:57:31.250
a homebody. I recharge by being quiet and having alone time.
1362
00:57:32.030 --> 00:57:36.250
And I just think people would be surprised at what
1363
00:57:36.289 --> 00:57:39.090
a normal life I live. People always assume I have
1364
00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:41.800
chefs and nannies and butlers. It's like, I don't have
1365
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:46.820
any of that shit. And so I think, I don't know,
1366
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:49.519
I think I'm way more normal than people probably think.
1367
00:57:49.699 --> 00:57:51.679
No, I love that you're explaining that because I think
1368
00:57:51.739 --> 00:57:54.949
also you could be in L.A., going to all the places,
1369
00:57:55.250 --> 00:57:58.750
getting paparazzi'd all the time. Like it's, it takes someone
1370
00:57:58.789 --> 00:58:01.750
to like specifically try to like maneuver the world and
1371
00:58:01.869 --> 00:58:04.199
not be photographed all the time. And there's ways to
1372
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:05.039
do it. There is.
1373
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:05.860
Yeah.
1374
00:58:06.139 --> 00:58:08.719
But it's cool that you're like living in Nashville. You,
1375
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.039
cause isn't your house like not.
1376
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:10.360
Yeah.
1377
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.739
I'm actually like 35 minutes outside of the city, like
1378
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:13.780
out in the country.
1379
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.159
So you're living a pretty normal life when you're there. Yeah,
1380
00:58:16.179 --> 00:58:16.570
I am.
1381
00:58:16.690 --> 00:58:19.199
And the other thing too is like, I'm not, seeking
1382
00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:21.969
press like obviously I just did this video for my
1383
00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:25.349
company with Tyler Cameron for Uncommon James which I knew
1384
00:58:25.369 --> 00:58:27.429
would get press but that's different that's for my company
1385
00:58:27.489 --> 00:58:29.309
I'm not like out there trying to like be in
1386
00:58:29.329 --> 00:58:31.150
the press and be in the media and like only
1387
00:58:31.170 --> 00:58:33.530
date someone famous and like I'm not I don't think
1388
00:58:33.590 --> 00:58:36.579
like that and so and I think because I am
1389
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.619
in the press a lot like and I actually roll
1390
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.300
my eyes at that shit I'm like how the fuck
1391
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.980
are they creating a story out of nothing and I
1392
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:44.920
actually just had to like talk myself off the ledge
1393
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.039
the other day because I was like, okay, look at
1394
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:49.300
it this way. At least you're being talked about. People care.
1395
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:50.969
It's like, you know, I have to just kind of
1396
00:58:51.010 --> 00:58:53.650
like turn the narrative around in my head because otherwise
1397
00:58:53.670 --> 00:58:54.909
I'll drive myself insane.
1398
00:58:54.929 --> 00:58:56.650
Do you think it's helped you though that you have
1399
00:58:56.710 --> 00:58:59.610
now this brand that like now you're not just fully,
1400
00:58:59.690 --> 00:59:02.449
it's not all about Kristen and who she's dating and
1401
00:59:02.469 --> 00:59:04.210
your love life and your social life because that's what
1402
00:59:04.230 --> 00:59:06.480
it originally was. And now you have something you're like, no,
1403
00:59:06.510 --> 00:59:09.949
this is my business. And this is like something that's complete.
1404
00:59:10.300 --> 00:59:12.389
independent of who I'm dating.
1405
00:59:12.699 --> 00:59:12.969
Yes.
1406
00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:14.820
And that's how I can justify it. I'm like, well,
1407
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.860
if people are talking about me, my company benefits. And
1408
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:20.280
so it's all good. It's all good. Totally.
1409
00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:20.559
Yeah.
1410
00:59:21.099 --> 00:59:24.179
Kristen, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy.
1411
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:24.739
Thanks for having me.
1412
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:26.480
You're amazing. Oh my God. We're going to have to
1413
00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:30.889
do it again. Thank you.