BPS 455: How to Turn a Script Into a Movie Without Hollywood’s Help with Chris Jay

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Enjoy today's episode with guest host Dave Bullets.
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On this week's episode, our guest is the frontman and
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founder of the rock band Armie Freshman. He's an actor
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and screenwriter. His comedy film The Bent releases this coming Tuesday,
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July to twenty sixth, twenty sixteen, and it'll be available
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on everywhere, be available on Hulu. It'll be available on
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With guests Chris j Chris, how are you siring?
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Hey? Thank you so much for having me. Dave. I'm
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very very happy to be here, and I'm gonna correct
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you right out of the gate. I definitely don't start
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in this. I don't think anybody would want or need that.
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But I did throw myself in there because I figured
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if I never make another movie again. I'll probably kick
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myself in twenty years if I can't show my kid
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like there's your old man.
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You know.
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Yeah, well, I usually just say star. I mean usually
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it's I don't know what else, because usually I don't
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else to saying that.
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I don't know a real loose term. Even when I
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find myself writing press releases for the film, it's like, wait,
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who's starring, who's featuring, who's cameo? I mean that shit's
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kind of out the window these days. I just think,
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like you said, everybody just says starring in You know,
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it could be the grounds keeper in the background, and like, yo,
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he stars in the New Guardians of the Galaxy.
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You know. It's crazy, Yeah, you always cause like for me,
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I've always sprakally appeared in shows, So I never know
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what to say. I mean, do you say featured extra?
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Do you say you know what I mean?
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It's like, oh, weirdest featured extra? Say you know what
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I mean? That this is weird, Like it's I don't
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know's it's so funny all the terms. But you get
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all those head shots, man on, I'll tell you when
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we were casting the movie, you'll get a kick out
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of this. It was a really interesting experience. But you
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look on the back of these resumes, Dave and some
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of these people, you don't know who the person is,
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you've never heard of them, but they've been on the
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coolest stuff in the world, Like oh my god, you
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were on Friends and you were on Seinfeld and blah
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blah blah blah blah. And then at the bottom there's
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like a little note that just says featured extra, you know,
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and it's like, wait a minute, You're like an extra
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just showing up for lunch, which is badass, you know
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what I mean. But it's crazy that you put this
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on your resume, you know.
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Yeah, I mean honestly, like every every acting thing I've
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ever done, I have been a featured extra and like
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always sunny, you know. I was in a again a
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pre interview we're talking about NFL Films. Was I was
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in an NFL Films commercial with some side So it's
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just weird, you know what I mean.
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So you're like me, You're a jack of all trades,
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not really successful at any of them, but god damn it,
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you're out there doing something you know exactly, you got it.
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I love it. I love it.
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So So, Chris, just to get started, you know, I
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wanted to ask you know about your background. I mean,
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obviously you know you're a founder of the rock band
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Army of Freshman, but I wanted to ask, you know,
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how did you actually transition into you know, the idea
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you know, of getting into the film industry.
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Great question, Dave, So basically, super quick background. I am
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in the band Army of Freshman, and ever since you've
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been doing this movie, we've been on a bit of
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a hiatus, but we've been around for like over fifteen years.
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I was born and raised in New Jersey, close to
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you up in Media, Pennsylvania, where you're at. And when
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I was seventeen, I left home and I moved by
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myself to California to do the rock and roll thing.
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I mean, there was two things I loved in my life.
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I mean, I always love music and I always love movies.
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Quite frankly, nothing else really interests me period. I like
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wrestling too, in boxing, but that's getting off off topic.
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But with that said, so I did the music thing.
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Man in arm Freshman was one of those bands that
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didn't blow up. We were always opening up for bigger bands,
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but we'd be like the first band on the bill,
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Like we'd come and play the Trocadero in Philly or
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the TLA, right, but we wouldn't be the band on
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the marquee. We would be the band that you didn't
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know that played first, right, And it was it was awesome, man.
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We got to travel around the world, and I mean
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I put my blood, sweat, tears, heart. I spent my
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whole twenties and practically early thirties doing Army of freshmen.
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And right around the time that we were close to
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finally signing a major label deal in the late two thousands,
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which in the old music industry was like, you know,
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that was the goal, right, that was the goal. And dude,
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downloading cane and it came like a violent, terrible, evil
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wave and it literally destroyed bands of my size. And
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we were the middle class bands, if that makes sense,
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you know, like we weren't the big boys, but we
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weren't the garage bands. We were just those hard working
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bands Chris Cross in the United States and Europe in
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mini bands. You know, it was really honorable and noble
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and you could make enough to maybe pay the rent
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and eat, right. But when downloading came and then the
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what the financial collapse in two thousand and eight, dude,
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it just all went to hell and you quick, you know,
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it was really really ugly for the music business. And
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with that said, we were very close to signing to
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a major label and the A and R guy that
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was ready to do the deal. Literally the financial collapse hit.
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They froze all signings for the year. Right, So I'm like,
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oh my god, Oh my god, what's going on. Literally
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thirty days later, I called to check in to see
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how things are working and see if we could do
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the deal in January, something I had been working for
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basically my whole life, right, Dave, And the receptionist says
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he was fired and there's nobody else to talk theory
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is the only A and R guy that wanted us.
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So I kind of went through, I don't want to
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say a depression, but I really had to take a
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hard look at my life. And I had always bounced
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around the idea of writing a screenplay because I'm a writer,
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like I would pay the bills kind of doing freelance
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journalism for local newspapers and stuff, Right, So I always
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wanted to write a film just because I'm in I'm
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in southern California, right, Dave, like everybody, every waiter's got
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an idea for a movie, right, and that it would
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be fun to do, not even necessarily to make. So
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I got with my partner in the band, Aaron Goldberg,
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who co wrote the screenplay with me, and I got
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in touch with a producer friend by the name of
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Reza Riazzi who had produced one of our videos. And
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this is kind of like the key link here to
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the story. Reza kind of guided us along. So we
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were first time screenwriters, right, but he helped us. He
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kind of gave us just the you know, just kind
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of the focus of what we're trying to do and
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trying to get across, and he kind of guided the
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screenplay and we worked on it off and on for
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a while. We didn't sit down for like two weeks,
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Sylvester Stalone style and cram out Rocky. You know, there
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was a work in progress here and there. We got
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to the point where we thought it was pretty good,
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and Resa thought the same thing, and we made the
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decision that I spent my whole life doing music, going
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in front of and our guys, you know, begging to
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get signed or get this or kissing button giving demo
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tape that I said, you know what, if we're gonna
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do this movie, let's just do it right, Like, no
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matter how much money we get. If we get ten
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thousand dollars and we've got to turn it into a
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short film and shoot it in my garage on an iPhone,
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let's do it. Let's just not have anybody tell us
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we can't do this. I didn't want to be begging
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for people to read a screenplay because think of that, Dave,
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who the hell is going to read a raunchy comedy
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screenplay first time screenwriters? Oh and they were in a
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rock band. I mean that just sounds awful, Like I
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wouldn't want to read that if that was the background
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and you gave it to me. So I kind of
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knew going in that we were going to have to
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do it on our own. And we set out at
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that point too, let's make this movie. You know, Amresa
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agreed to produce it, and he had produced some indie
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films before. So the good news is we had somebody
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helping us. And that's the key thing. I don't want
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you to think that we were just two guys from
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a band that just did all this. We had somebody
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guiding us, but there was no money. He just hopped
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on because I think at that point he had given
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us so much advice. He had taken a little sabbatical
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because he had a film that really got taken from
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him and turned upside down, and he kind of moved
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into stand up and I think this was an opportunity
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to like, hey, maybe I can get back in the
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game a little bit, and let's find a young, hungry director.
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And that's basically the genesis. I know that's a lot
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of backstory, but I think it's important to know because
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we didn't come from movies at all. The closest we
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had to that was I mean I was an extra
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in one or two movies, a featured extra, right and
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then also making our music videos. But that was it, man.
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I mean, we as screenwriters went into this blind. We
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just had that determination from the indie music world that
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we weren't gonna we were gonna do it, you know
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what I mean. We came from a very diy music background,
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and I think we sort of took those ethics and
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put it into the film. So that's how we got
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to the point of, yes, we're making a movie. And
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there's a long backstory, and I'm sorry for that day.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Now back to the show, Chris.
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Everyone always likes to talk, and they talk a little
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more on my podcast. What I'm trying to say, So please,
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don't you know? You said you might ramble sometimes it's
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encouraged on this podcast.
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Well you you cut me off at any time. It's
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gonna get especially if you and I start talking cheese steaks.
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I mean it's dumb, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I completely understand. By the way, speaking of cheese steaks,
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what is your favorite cheesteak place?
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So I know this is sacrilege. Keep in mind, I
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didn't come from Philly. I came from Jersey, so I
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had to drive into the city. But pound for pound,
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I always like Gyms on South Street.
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Oh, Gym's is great, it's my cycle.
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What's your favorite?
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My favorite place is John's Ros's Pork.
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Oh, I've heard of that place. I've heard of that place.
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Is it that sensational?
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Yeah, because it's different than all the other cheesesteak places.
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Once you have it, you really you understand what a
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cheese steak is supposed.
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To be well, next time I'm out there, you and
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I are going there. That's good. Just put it on
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the calendar.
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Let's do it.
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Man.
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It's right by the E C w rinn it too,
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so we could talk.
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Right there on ya yikes, ships Swanson or Redner, right
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by swansor Reddin. Oh so you talk wrestling to Dave,
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I'm impressed.
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Yeah. I could talk all day about professional wrestling. Before
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I got into film, I used to be a huge
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pro wrestling buff. Quick little mini, mini background. I don't
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want to talk too much about myself, but many many background.
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Out of high school, I went right into in the
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pro wrestling school. I ended up working with King Kong
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Bundy and his promotion, and that was a whole that
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was a whole adventure I could talk about hours about.
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So yeah, now, okay, we're we're getting we're veering far
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off track, but really quickly we'll circle this all around
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because obviously there's wrestlers in my movie, so that's like
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kind of like a connection. But did you ever get
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to have an indie match? Did you ever get to
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actually have a pro wrestling match? I had one actual match,
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and that was really where was it that?
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a Springfielder Drugel Hill I met. It was a twenty
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man Battle Royal. It was all of the rookies of
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the school we were at. And that was my one
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and only professional wrestling match because after that, I just
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wanted to get out of it because I had to
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go to college and my love affair of wrestling was
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really like really burning out. And then basically I still,
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if that's right, around of time, I ended up helping
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King Kong Bundy, So I had that match sorted like,
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and I still had tons of contacts and they were like, oh,
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I hope you're not going to leave, and I said yeah,
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I said, you know, I'm not six foot four, I'm
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five foot nine, you know what I mean. I'm a
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ginger who's going to cheer a five foot nine ginger?
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Come on, dude, that is too cool. But you got
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to say you had a professional wrestling match. I mean, like,
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that's a bucket list thing. I think for a lot
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of people, myself included, that is awesome. Dude, that is
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so cool.
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Well thank you. I'll you know, if you ever want
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to talk about that at any time.
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There's some panetic energy here. We're both from from a Philly,
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South Jersey area. We both like ches stage, we both
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like wrestling, we both like movies. I mean this, this
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could get really awkward, dude. By the end of this podcast,
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people are going to be like disgusted, like these two
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guys love affairs, ridiculous moths.
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Well, most people tune me out anyway, so they're probably
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me too, cool man cool, So you know, just you know,
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getting back to the bed, you know, so I wanted
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to ask, you know, Chris, you know, where was the
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impetus of this idea to actually for the screenplay? Did
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it Did it come from like a friend of yours,
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Did it come from an idea or Joe was.
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It was an original idea that I had, And honestly,
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I think it was kind of inspired by the fact
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that being on tour in a band, right Dave, I
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got the opportunity to meet a lot of girls that
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I had gone to school with over the years. Like
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maybe you know, you come to town and they live
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there and they see that you're in town and they
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come to a show, or you invite them, or we
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would go play my hometown in Kate May a lot
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where a lot of people you went to school would
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still lived. And I was always fascinated to see where
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these girls that I had crushes on where they ended up.
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And I don't mean that in a negative way, but
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just like, man, in the sixth grade, this girl was,
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you know, the hottest girl in school, or the girl
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that I just had a crush on, or whatever it
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may be. And you know what would happen if you
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met your crush twenty years later? Like where are they?
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Who are they? And that kind of just kind of
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bounced around in my head and at one point I
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don't have her Uretha moment or I remember it. I
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just always remember when I thought a movie idea is
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that that was at the top of my list. A
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guy gets in a bet where he's got to go
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back and meet every girl that he had a crush
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on in high school. Because it's essentially just a fantasy
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that I assume I'd like to have, but the reality
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is it's not going to be all good. Just because
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that girl was the cutest girl in sixth grade, she
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could be like, you know, a white trash drug addict.
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is if the guy had to hook up with the girl, right,
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no matter what scenario she's in, He's got to bite
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the bullet and do so. And it just kind of
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sounded like it would be a good, fun, raunchy, wacky movie,
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and I just that was the genesis. So I think
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it was kind of an influenced by having met some
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of the girls I went to school with and being oh,
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jeez man, that was my cross. Glad that didn't work
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out right, But at the same time, I think it
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lent itself to a good premise and it, you know,
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just kind of once Aaron came in and started writing
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it together. You know, that's the fun part about script writing.
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As much as you set it up, you go down
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different avenues with the script. The new characters get introduced
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and things change, and I find that such a fun
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and fascinating process. How different the project is like because
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when you think about it at first, because you're a writer, Dave,
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you know, you see it just like this word for word,
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and it's got to be like this, and these are
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the characters and this is a story. But when you
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start writing that, baby, these characters kind of take a
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life for their own and even in a silly launchy
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movie like ours directions, they start moving in different places
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and you you know, motivations and scenes and that's a
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fun process. I think it's really when you know, when
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you're just cooking with gas and you really like where
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something's going with a script. That's a cool moment. Man,
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that energy if you can capture it. And I like
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writing with a partner because I think you can really
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feed on off people. I think it would be very
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difficult if I wrote a screenplay by myself, because you
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don't have that quality control of the other person.
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I found when writing, you know, sometimes I take it
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way too seriously and it ends up I try to
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end up forcing things, you know what I mean. It's
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like and then you realize you're supposed you gotta into
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writing because it's fun, right, or you have something to say,
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or you want to explore something, you know what I mean.
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And you know that's why you know, when you were
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discussing the other idea, creation and all these characters, you know,
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that's what you need. You need to always, you know,
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be excited to come back to it when you cause
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you got to write. You know, nobody sits down, just
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writes out the whole thing and one one foul swoop.
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You know, you come back and you write it in pieces.
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You know, you write three pages, five pages, and you
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when you come back, you always have to have that
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that excitement and you know what I mean, You have
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to have that excitement of Okay, I see where it's going,
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what's going to happen? Now, I'm going to be just
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as surprised as the audience, you know what I mean.
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So when you were writing this, Chris, I wanted to ask,
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you know, did you buy any of those writing books,
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like You Have a Key Story or Save the cap
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I Blakesciter. Did you buy any of those books?
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You know, I didn't. You're talking about the actual screenwriting books.
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Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
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I didn't. I didn't. It was very I mean, and
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again I think I'm a little spoiled because of the
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fact that I am a writer, you know, so not
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that I'm a good writer, but I just had experience
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in writing. You know, even in writing a five hundred
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world article about a band, you still have the beginning,
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in the middle and an end. So I think I
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understood the process to the point that I didn't. I didn't.
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It just seemed weird to read a book to tell
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me how to write a book, if that makes sense,
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you know, But I definitely grabbed. Uh, you know, once
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we're getting ready to make the movie, I ordered a
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book online. It was like the Real Truth about Indie filmmaking,
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a complete guide from top to bottom, right, that kind
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of deal, you know, and uh, you'll love this. But
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you know, the book now, I keep it by the bathroom.
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It's like the bathroom read dude, the thing was made
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like five years ago, okay, And as I'm reading it
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getting ready to make the movie, just looking for pointers,
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you know, half the information was defunct and the book
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was only five years old. Like they were talking about like,
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well this new Netflix saying nobody's really figured it out yet,
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and you know, they're talking about Lonely Girl fifteen was
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an internet phenomenon. But how can you? I mean, and
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I'm like, my god, this is garbage. I mean, things
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are moving so fast in the world of technology and
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film that a book, and a definitive book on the
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subject in two thousand and twelve is now literally archaic.
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And that's that's wild to me. So it's almost like
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what the hell do you read unless you read the
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most recent stuff on the internet. I don't know if
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anything could really help, you know.
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Yeah, absolutely, I have tons of I mean, I know
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there's a podcast you can't see, but to my left's
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tons and tons and tons of how to filmmaking books.
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I mean virtually, I have every indie filmmaking book, screenwriting book,
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producing book you can get, and some of them are
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just like that, They're just completely Hey, you know, go
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grab your friends, grab a mini dvcam, you know, shoot
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some stuff in your backyard, and you know you can
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send it to festivals. Well, now I don't have to
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do any of that. I could use my phone. I
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don't need a DV tape. I could you know, an
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edit and I movie or edit and Windows movie maker
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or Premiere, whatever one I wants to, I can just
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put it right to YouTube. Wild huh.
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I mean the same happened with music in terms of
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how quick you can go, Like you and I right
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now can make the decision to start our duo. Right,
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we could write a song not in person, dude, we
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could write a song over freaking FaceTime together. Right, we
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could record the conceivably record the song and release it
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and have a website up, you know, with a social
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media account before before the sun goes down, and I
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mean I'm allowed to curse, right, Oh, So that's fucked up, dude.
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That's process. Isn't supposed to be like that, Like where's
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the growth, where's the learning? And I think the same
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thing has happened to film, where it's certainly a much
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more complicated process than writing a song, of course, no doubt.
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Right, we'll be right back after a word from our
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sponsor and now back to the show.
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But everything that you just said you can still kind
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of do, and that's awesome, but it's also that double
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edged sort of it's really flooding the market and putting
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a lot of crap out there too. You know, people
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are they just release everything instead of like, you know,
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where's the days of kind of just making movies in
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your backyard and nobody sees them but your parents, and
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then you slowly grow and get better at it. Now
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kids are making their very first thing and throwing it
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up on YouTube hoping they get like a viral thing.
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I don't know, it's just it just seems it's like
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it's a hard time for the cream to you know,
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was it the Crean Rise at the Top or whatever
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the saying is. I just it's just really muddy. Man.
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Technology has made things so awesome. We could never make
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the movie that we made without it. But at the
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same time, I am also aware that there's a lot
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of films maybe some people would think are film that
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are being made and it's almost, you know, blocking the
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path for other movies. It's a weird time, man. I
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feel like we're just living in a very strange age,
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you know.
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Oh yeah, absolutely we are. And it's funny because there's
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a there was a short film called Panic Attack and
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it actually I forget the guy who made it, but
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Hollywood found it and they actually gave him the job
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of directing the remake of Evil Dead just because of that.
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Wow.
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So it's almost like, now you know, this whole avenue
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of of YouTube and podcasting and self publishing. It's like
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they're bypassing not just one gatekeeper, but like twenty five
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because now you're almost like your own agent manager because
479
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now you can say, oh, no, I don't want to
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sell these book rights, or I don't want to sell
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your rights. I want to sell this. I mean, but
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you're right there are a lot more players out there now,
483
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but you know, I think that as long as you
484
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have something that is that can stand above anybody else.
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I had Paul Patido on here and he and I
486
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were talking about the exact same thing, because he was
487
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always saying, you know, he tells his film students, you know,
488
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you have to make something, and they're saying, well, there's
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like ten chillion things on on YouTube right now, and
490
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he says, you have you know, how do you stand out?
491
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How do you get on the front page of iTunes?
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How do you get on the front page of Netflix?
493
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You know what I mean? And it's just all and
494
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it just it really depends upon what's hot, your concept,
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how polished it is. I mean, you have a lot
496
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of different factors. Now maybe it's the same factors always
497
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have been there, but they're always but you know, they're
498
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always have to sort of work out, like in your favor.
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Like we were talking earlier in the pre interview. Maybe you know,
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some guy, some somebody, some guy wakes up, has a
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great morning and all of a sudden, your TV polic
502
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gets made, you know what I mean?
503
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Yeah, yeah, and that's ah man, It's it's a depressing thought.
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But it's just I mean, yeah, I certainly don't want
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to go down the negative road for lack of the
506
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better word, but I think it's a terrifying prospect. I
507
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mean I used to and I keep falling back the music,
508
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but that's just who I am. And I think what's
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happening to the film world happened to the indie to
510
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the music world about ten years ago. Right. Yes. I
511
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used to tell kids, dude, just get in the van, man,
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just do it, dude, just go for it, just do it.
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You know, good bad, learn, go do it, dedicate some time.
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And now I don't say that. And it really freaks
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me out that if a kid comes to me and says,
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we just started a band, what do we do? I
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don't tell him to hop in a van. Where are
518
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they gonna go, where are they gonna play? Who's gonna
519
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give a shit? You know? And I wonder in some ways,
520
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if it's that similar to the film world, you know,
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like if a kid right out of the gate wants
522
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to do it, I mean it's probably not you know,
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I don't want to say going for the big time
524
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the brass ring, but it's probably much more honing your
525
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craft on web series and smaller things instead of jumping
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right into it, you know, guns blazing, you know. I
527
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just it's strange, man, you know. And I come from
528
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such a different perspective because I didn't have that educated
529
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film background that somebody like yourself does. So I think
530
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some of the reason we got this made was sheer
531
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tenacity and dumb luck and a lack of education, because
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I think if we knew what we were getting into
533
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and how much time it would be and how expensive
534
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it would be, we probably wouldn't have done it, you know.
535
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And that's kind of that. Sometimes being naive can lead
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to good things if you're willing to put the work in.
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You know, a lot of people I think, too Mercy
538
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see hon Us Dave, they were just like, you're doing what,
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Like you can't do that? Oh god, okay, well let
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me help you. Good luck, good luck falling on your
541
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face on this one, good luck making a feature film,
542
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come on, you know. And somehow we pulled it off.
543
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But we surrounded ourselves with good people to help pull
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it off. But I mean, man, people heard our budget.
545
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When people here were we wanted to shoot it in
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Ventura and not Los Angeles, they were looking at us
547
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like we were lunatics, dude. I mean, like, you know,
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the cool thing is we proved a lot of people wrong.
549
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We got it done, but it was a painful, long process.
550
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It was not smooth sailing.
551
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You know, yeah, yeah, definitely it definitely. Uh, I understand
552
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complete where we're coming from. And you know, just to
553
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sort of as we're talking about writing the becks, I
554
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do want to talk about actually making a movie. But
555
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you know, as we're talking about you're writing the bet,
556
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did you guys actually did you use Final draft or
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fade in to write the movie? Did you use any software?
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You check this out? We were so naive. Aaron did
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the typing, I did the talking. We didn't really know
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about Final Draft. We had heard of it. We were
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kind of aware what it was, and I'm sure you're
562
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listeners will be like, are you kidding me? We were
563
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literally indenting every time a new character talked. Like the
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first draft or two drafts that we did. We turned
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it into you know, Reza who was kind of helping
566
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us and giving us some guidance, who ended up producing
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the film, and he was like, man, he was like,
568
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there's something wrong with your final draft and we're like,
569
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what do you mean, he was like, don't tell me
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you type this, and we're like yeah, he was like,
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oh my god, you know what I mean. He was like, dude,
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he was like that's remarkable. He was like, how long
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did this take? And we're like, what would take hours?
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You know, we'd write it and then spend another couple
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hours like indenting, indenting in denting, centering, you know, bracketing.
576
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I mean, it was trial by fire man. If you
577
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can believe that we did get final draft, then it
578
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was like, oh no, you know, like it just changed everything.
579
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But you like, literally that's how backwards were. It was
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like Mick foley Wright in his biography on pen and paper.
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You know, it's like there's something kind of cool about that,
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but I can't believe we did it. I'd love to
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get those hours of my life back.
584
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You know, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. You know.
585
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I know, like James Patterson and Quinn Tarantino they still
586
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use like pad and pen. I still do it too sometimes,
587
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But now, you know what the biggest con of that is, Chris,
588
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is the fact that now you're ending up with like
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notepads and like, seriously, I have like stacks of notebooks.
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That I've been writing in and I'm always sitting there
591
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going you know, someday I'm gonna have to scan these things.
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Ye yeah, and just and just do away with it,
593
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because every note has changed my life. Because that's where
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I just if I have an idea, pulled my phone
595
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and go okay, hold on, let me just write this
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down real quick. Okay, so you know what I mean,
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I just type like that and then I'll come back
598
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later on and put you know, pull it all up
599
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and then go, okay, now I'll get into a final
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draft or fade in and wherever I'm using.
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But do you wonder sometimes I mean not to get
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on a bigger sort of like a deeper meaning, but
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you know, do programs like that have they have they
604
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cheapened things a little bit? I mean, like all the
605
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greats back in the day, they didn't have final draft, right.
606
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I mean, like you know, when a guy like Mankowitz
607
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was banging out Citizen Kane, he didn't have somebody indenting
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things for him. I mean, these guys are on pipewriters, man,
609
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and then they bang scripts out. I mean you just
610
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kind of wonder as much as it's made things easier,
611
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like has that affected worth work ethic in a lot
612
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of ways?
613
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You know, yeah, you know that that's a good question.
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I I I want to say that. I hope it
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has just made it so they can concentrate, like guys
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like us can just concentrate on the craft more without
617
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having to worry about stuff like you know what I mean,
618
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like getting you know, getting uh, you know, bogged down
619
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with that. I mean, technology in of itself is supposed
620
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to make things easier, like in the pre interview we're
621
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talking about if when technology works, it's phenomenal.
622
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But uh, you know that is a good question.
623
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I mean, uh, personally, I could never go back down
624
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to using anything else, so it's fine. Yeah, So I
625
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mean like it's if I ever had to go back,
626
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I would I would probably I don't know, take aheader
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off the room.
628
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.720
Gotcha, I understood undertood you wouldn't be alone, just be
629
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a red screenwriters. You'd probably live because you'd land on
630
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their corpses or something. You know.
631
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.960
Yeah, that's right. Without because like some James Patterson, what
632
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he does is he writes all long hand, he gives
633
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it all to a secretary she put like types it
634
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all up and then gives it back to him and
635
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he has a process and it's triple spaced, and that.
636
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He can like if you have a secretary, you know,
637
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oh yeah, like supple buzz aren't lucky enough to afford
638
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these type of things.
639
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.799
Yeah, well, yeah, that's what That's where I was, uh
640
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was saying, was you know, he does have a secretary.
641
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I mean, that's why I think he can get away
642
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with it. And Tarantino, I don't know what he does.
643
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Maybe he has a secretary at some point.
644
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I imagine he's got a few at this point.
645
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.720
So all right, so you know, you you have written
646
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the bet, so I just want to take us through
647
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this process of you know, you have the idea, you
648
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wrote the bet, you've actually got final drafts who were
649
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able to actually uh correctly format it. So where was
650
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the point where you started pitching to people? You know,
651
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did I and did you? Did you pitch to investors?
652
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.079
Did you try to crowdfund this?
653
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.319
Yeah? So, I mean it's an important part of the story,
654
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and I think that's what people everybody's interested in that, right,
655
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where the hell you find the money? So whathen we
656
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.559
decided to do it? Okay, what we did? I'm giving
657
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.720
you the step by step, we came up with three budgets.
658
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.680
We didn't do one of these things where it has
659
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to be this amount of money.
660
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Right.
661
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:15.359
We came up with our bare bone, super backyard indie budget. Right,
662
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we came up with, you know, our ideal budget, and
663
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we came up with something in the middle. And when
664
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I say ideal, we weren't asking for sick money, you
665
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.039
know what I mean. We were saying, like ideal for
666
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a micro budget movie. Okay. So we had these three
667
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different budgets and basically we said, let's initially go to
668
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some friends and family, like you know, and again we're
669
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not talking about all our you know, broke music buddies.
670
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You know. We went the mom and dad, you know,
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aunts and uncles, Aaron and I you know, literally pitched
672
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them personally. A couple people came in with just a
673
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little bit of money. We found a couple thousand dollars
674
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to be completely blunt. And what we did, Dave, is
675
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we used that as seed money to try and find
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bigger money. And what I mean is, if you're trying
677
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to let's say take me or you need to fly
678
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somewhere or whatever it.
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Is, we'll be right back after a word. From our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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You need a little bit of money to do that.
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You know, a guy like me that works a part
683
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time job and is normally always dead broke. I don't
684
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have a budget to go if I get a meeting
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in New York, hop on a plane and fly out there.
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And then, let's face it, if you're meeting somebody, you
687
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probably want to pay for the dinner, right, if you're
688
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actually trying to get them to invest in your freaking film.
689
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So what we use that couple thousand dollars for was
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seed money, and I mean that what we did is
691
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we printed pitch packs. We you know, put a little
692
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budget for travel, we put a little budget for food,
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and we sort of use that for a money to
694
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try and find more money, if that does that make sense.
695
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So we didn't take the first five grand and like, hey,
696
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here's our first five grand for the movie. We took
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it as almost our money. And I had to give
698
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ourselves a couple of bucks not to lie to you,
699
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so we could take a little time off work and
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actively take two months right and look for money. So
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that's what we did, and I think maybe that's a
702
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little different than most people you know, because I think
703
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some people put the money away in the budget for
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the film, but then how do they you know, how
705
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do they fly out to get that meeting? How do
706
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they do this or that? And I think talking to
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somebody in person is infinitely always better when you're talking
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about finances. You know, you can look them in the eye,
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they can see your passion. It's it's it's real, it's tangible.
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You're dealing with the human being, you know. And this
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is what happened. This is how we got our executive producers.
712
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.559
First off, luck is a huge part of it. But
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obviously being an army of freshmen, right, we had, you know,
714
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a lot of connections in the music world. We were
715
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.000
I was friends with and very kind of casual friends
716
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.279
obviously now grown to be very close friends, but casual
717
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.680
friends with to if you can believe this, theater producers
718
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.640
in the United Kingdom. Fat When I say theater, I
719
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mean theater, you know, like musicals, like shows, right, And
720
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.759
I know that they have been friends with some other
721
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.079
bands that I that I was friends with, and I
722
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.799
knew that they were visiting the United States, and uh,
723
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.279
you know, they kind of told me once say, if
724
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.359
you ever have some projects going on. Just keep us posted,
725
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.279
you know, that kind of thing. But basically, I knew
726
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.480
these were people that were open to the arts, if
727
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.640
that makes sense, because they came from a theatrical background.
728
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:25.920
So I reached out to them because I knew they're
729
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.440
going to be in the United States. I said, hey,
730
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:28.839
I'd have this project i'd love to tell you about.
731
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.200
They said, hey, come on out. And this is completely true.
732
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:32.799
And this is where I talk about the seed money.
733
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.200
They were going to be in Disneyland, and I live
734
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.920
in California, so they were going to be in the
735
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.960
you know, Disney, the Disney in Florida, right, So we
736
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.559
took We took the last money and the pot right,
737
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.319
bought a plane ticket, bought a cheap motel six, got
738
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.680
the cheapest rental possible, okay, and I flew out by
739
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.279
myself because we couldn't afford to bring Rezer Aaron with me,
740
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.160
that's a co writer and the producer. And I met
741
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.920
them at Disneyland, and I sat down over lunch at Disney, right,
742
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.440
and I told them what we were doing, and I
743
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.920
told them what we were trying to do, and I
744
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.640
told them we were looking for you know, executive producers
745
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.160
and investor for the project. And I gave them, you know,
746
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.960
two budgets. You know, I gave them the the not
747
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.839
the ghetto backyard budget, but I gave them our moderate
748
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.480
and I gave them our ideal. And again when I
749
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.759
say ideal, it wasn't like, hey, millions more. I'm talking like, hey,
750
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.039
another twenty thousand dollars or something, right, And they said, okay,
751
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.680
well think about it. Thanks, she's talking to us, blah
752
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.559
blah blah. And then about two weeks later, I got
753
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.839
an email saying that they're in. They were down to
754
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.240
be the lead investor, you know, as long as we
755
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.680
could find a couple other smaller investors to you know,
756
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.160
do it. And that was that we were off and run.
757
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.200
And literally that is the story of how we got
758
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.720
our executive producers for the project. And I have to
759
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.440
say this because you just got to plug the people
760
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.680
to help you. Right. Their names are Craig Beach and
761
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.640
Teresa Beach, theatrical producers over in the United Kingdom, and
762
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.119
they were so awesome. Literally, I tell other people about
763
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.920
our executive producers and they're like, they start crying because
764
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.639
they can't believe it because usually the executive producers are, Hell,
765
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.000
when's it getting released? When are we getting our money?
766
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.039
What's going on? How come it's taken so long?
767
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:15.519
Dave?
768
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.280
We were doing a lot of first time stuff and
769
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.559
you know, we're new to it. Like I mean, a
770
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.920
regular investor probably would have, I mean probably would have
771
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.199
taken legal action against us because things were taken so long.
772
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.440
But we had such a limited budget. We had to
773
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.800
go really slow to make things right. And we were
774
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.440
a small team, so we were very lucky that way.
775
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.159
But what I would have to say about that, if
776
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.400
somebody's looking for advice and man, how do I get
777
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.400
my project filmed? Find a couple dollars and almost use
778
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.920
that as as I say, seed money, but use it
779
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.239
as the money that you're going to use to try
780
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.039
and find the investors, if that makes sense at all.
781
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.719
Almost like find a little bit of money just to
782
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.719
be able to give yourself a month or two months
783
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.599
to send emails all day and make phone call day
784
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.320
and connect dots like these are dots. I wasn't in
785
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.639
film where I just called up a film producer and
786
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.239
they said, I want to back your movie, right. I
787
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.360
was in music and I knew somebody in music that
788
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.599
had been involved in some musicals in the UK, so
789
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.719
I knew they were involved in theatrical projects, right. I
790
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.119
has a bit of a relationship with them, So it
791
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.039
was outside the box. And I think in this day
792
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.559
and age, that's the only way to find money for
793
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.800
film unless you're one of the big daddies. And I
794
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.199
may be wrong, but unless you're a big daddy, or
795
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.079
unless your parents are filthy rich, which mine certainly are not,
796
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.079
you have to think outside the box. You have to
797
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.199
look in different places. So this small, tiny, micro budget,
798
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.440
raunchy indie comedy essentially was made and executive produced by
799
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.400
to theatrical producers in another country. So I know that's
800
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.159
a bit of a long story, but I just want
801
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.840
to stress that if someone's looking for money, you've got
802
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.280
to look in places where maybe people haven't looked before.
803
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.159
Theater people help make a movie as opposed to movie
804
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.400
people that are bitter, right, and they've gone down that road,
805
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.639
and they know how difficult it is for any film.
806
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.239
Theater people actually found it more fascinating then then then
807
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.639
actual film producers who we met with that just rolled
808
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.920
their eyes and said, good luck.
809
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.639
You know, that's an interesting strategy. Chris, you know, and
810
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.880
you know, I always am fascinated with how you know,
811
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.599
people have gotten their movie made. And you know that
812
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.280
is an excellent point because you know, you're right, you
813
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.119
want to I mean checking out theater people and you
814
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.039
know what I mean, like they're not this is this
815
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:33.320
is new to them too, you know what I mean,
816
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.559
this is this is still cool to them. And if
817
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.920
you do get some film people, there's a lot of bitter,
818
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.320
burned out people in the film industry and they just
819
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.719
sort of go, oh, another film, blah blah blah. And
820
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.440
and that's why I try to be the difference to that.
821
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.920
You know, I'm always trying. I always try to stay
822
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.760
upbeat and positive. And you know, and it's the same
823
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.599
thing too, you know, for you know, everyone listening. If
824
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.079
you're gonna make a production staff or whatever crew you have,
825
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.760
make sure that they all believe in the project and
826
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.719
that no one is negative or bitter, because that attitude
827
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.079
spreads like a virus.
828
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.559
It's death. It's death, it's absolute death on set, it's
829
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.880
death in pre production. Just because somebody's Coop and Jess,
830
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.360
because somebody has great gear, just because somebody has good
831
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.559
hookups or a good resume. I'm telling you, man, don't
832
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:20.760
fucking work with him. If you were Indy find people
833
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.480
that are hungry and young and they want to kill
834
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.159
for it, like you, it's just not worth it. I mean,
835
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.519
I'd rather shoot on a lesser camera and have a
836
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.960
DP that's thrilled to be there, you know. I'd rather
837
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.000
have somebody that maybe's not on a TV show and
838
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.639
I found him in a theater program, but they're believing
839
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.880
in that character. They're becoming that character, because dude, that
840
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.719
jadedness is terrifying. And the great thing that we did
841
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.599
one of the key things to get this thing done
842
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.559
because I'm Tony. We didn't have enough money to do it, Dave,
843
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:49.639
we didn't have enough time to do it. We didn't
844
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.119
have enough people to do it. But we got people
845
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.559
that were stoked. We got our director. Our producer knew
846
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.239
a guy that was doing a web series. Right, didn't
847
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.000
go to film school. Director by the name of Ryan Ederer. Right,
848
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.440
had never done a feature, had never done a TV show.
849
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.639
We literally had just done a web series, right, and
850
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.599
our producer, when he was looking for the director for this,
851
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:10.599
went to see him work on a web series. He
852
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.599
had mutual friends and he said the director was holding
853
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:18.000
the boom mic and shouting instructions right, and also running
854
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.719
to get coffee for everybody. And he said, that's when
855
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:25.159
he knew this could be our guy, right, because he
856
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.639
was so passionate right over a little web series that
857
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.960
most likely no one's going to see. How passionate would
858
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.440
he be if he got to do a very very
859
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.840
small feature. So we met with him at a Denny's. Right.
860
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.199
You know, he actually reminds me of you, to be
861
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.360
quite frank, you know, because just because he's positive like that.
862
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.960
And he just said, guys, if you let me direct
863
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.239
this movie, all I want to do is direct a feature.
864
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.159
He said, I will quit my job. I'm a waiter
865
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.880
in LA I will quit my job for pre production
866
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.440
and for the filming, and for at least a solid
867
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.639
month after done. I will live on nothing, you know.
868
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.239
I mean, we gave him peanut s day pen. Everybody
869
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.719
worked for so cheap on this, but I think it
870
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.679
was we found the good people. But I also think
871
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.559
they believed in my passion, in Aaron's passion and ress passion.
872
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.159
I mean when I hunted down some of the casts,
873
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.280
which are some really super crazy cool stories, but dude,
874
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.599
I was coming to them with nothing, but I was
875
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.679
coming to them with passion, you know what I mean,
876
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.199
Like please, you know, you know, just like, let's get
877
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.840
behind this if that makes sense and it appeals to
878
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.159
a certain type of person. Not everybody, dude, some people
879
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.119
blew me right off, right, but you'd be surprised some
880
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.880
of the cool little people you can pull because they're
881
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.800
just good people. At the end of the day, it's
882
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.000
getting to them. It's getting to them. It's all connections,
883
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.599
and it's all how do you get to that person?
884
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:41.960
You know?
885
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.920
Yeah, very very true. And when you said you're here,
886
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.360
reminded me. He reminded me of a He reminded you
887
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.960
of me. I was gonna say, what is he a
888
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.119
five foot nine like, but but he's the.
889
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.039
Five foot nine from five foot nine kid from Chicago.
890
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:58.119
Aha.
891
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:05.840
Will be back after a word from our sponsor and
892
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.000
now back to the show.
893
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.559
Okay, yeah, yeah, I always like to uh I always
894
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.480
wanted to ask, but uh no, But all kidding aside, though,
895
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.280
you know, I agree completely man, you know, just going
896
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.199
back to that, you know, having that passionate people man
897
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.000
on set and avoiding all that negativity because it is
898
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.880
it not only is a virus, it drains everyone's energy,
899
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.760
and it also causes a lot more conflict with each other.
900
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.280
And and you know, because I've been on those sets, Chris,
901
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.119
you know where all of a sudden, someone comes in
902
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.320
and they're like, oh, this is okay, We'll get someone
903
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.360
to be here. And then then you have people who
904
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.400
were just flat out like, oh, I don't you know,
905
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.239
I don't want to be here anyway. This thing's gonna suck.
906
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.480
Let me tell you about mine. Let me I have
907
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:46.480
a real quick story. I was on a film set
908
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.280
one time, and this is years ago, when I was
909
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.440
just goofing now making a student film, and I had
910
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.480
this guy come on and all he did all this
911
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.280
he was he's my director of cinematography, and he came
912
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.679
recommended by this other guy I know, and all he
913
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.920
did was tell everybody about his latest project. He could
914
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.440
you could not stop him from talking about it between takes.
915
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.199
All he did he's like, you know what this reminds
916
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.079
me of mind my movieah blah blah blah. Like Jesus Christ,
917
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.079
you know, I got it, dude, You're making a zombie film. Congratula, congratulations.
918
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.559
You know there's twenty five coultrillion of them. You know,
919
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:17.679
you know you can add here.
920
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.639
We still him on other projects, and instead of working
921
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.960
on that project, all they do is talk about their project.
922
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.440
We had somebody like that show up and I won't
923
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.239
get into any details beyond that, but it was just like, dude,
924
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:27.480
you know, it's kind of like he was kind of
925
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.719
driving the director nuts because he kept talking about the
926
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.679
project that he was working on. It's like, hey man,
927
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.280
you know, like that's awesome, dude, stoked to help you.
928
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.320
But we're fucking you know, we got a day left
929
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.079
of filming here. We you know, we are making the
930
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.760
tiniest movie of all time. Like we don't have time
931
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.000
for this, Like we just stay on board here, man,
932
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.440
call next week and we'll talk about the zombie movie.
933
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.519
You know, yeah, yeah exactly, you know. And it's like
934
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.119
if they had play their cards right, they could have
935
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.800
had an ally instead of just you know, boring everyone
936
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.559
to death, just going hey man, by the way, my
937
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.519
own movie, like we got it. Yeah, you know, we
938
00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:59.159
got every you know ever, you know what I mean.
939
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.400
So when you're on set, you know, do the job
940
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.519
that you do, try and make connections. But but but
941
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.719
work hard on the job you do, because that's what'll
942
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.679
really come through, especially in the indie setting. And I'm
943
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.519
telling you, Deve, there's so many good things aligned up
944
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.960
with this cast and the people involved. But you know,
945
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.679
we didn't get a lot of strangers. Reza was like, Hey,
946
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.239
I want to work with this DP. I know, you know,
947
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:21.280
I got one or two stand ups that would be
948
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.599
great for these roles. Let's try them first. I got
949
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.360
an actor buddy that was in this other indie. I
950
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.760
did try him, and lo and behold. I look at
951
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.920
the cast. There's a handfield of people that we got
952
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.400
from open casting. And we had huge open casting. We
953
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.880
brought tons of people in, but I'd say seventy five
954
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.119
percent of that cast is a direct connection in one
955
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.480
way or another. It's probably only a handful of people
956
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.920
that we walk in and didn't know and they just
957
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.320
kick so much, but we put them in. And I
958
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:48.960
think a lot of people like to work with who
959
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.599
they know. But there's a reality to that. So it's
960
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.199
good to make a lot of friendships and connections because
961
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.039
you got a better chance of getting thrown into a
962
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.760
film as an actor if you're a waiter with the
963
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.000
director who just got this small indie then just going
964
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.079
to an open casting call. I almost wonder if it's
965
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.239
even possible to do that anymore, to even get in
966
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.440
a movie, just as a dude who walked in a room. Hi,
967
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.760
you don't know me. I'm here to show you how
968
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.519
awesome I am. Because in the back of the head
969
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.480
they're sitting there and they got their buddy or their nephew,
970
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.119
or their uncle, or their neighbor or you know, it's
971
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.119
very incestuous, and our movie was no exception to that.
972
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.239
But you trust those people. They didn't screw us. You know,
973
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.599
we had strange We have one lady take us to
974
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.480
SAG because we canceled her because we had to cut
975
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.280
the roll because we couldn't fill in the scene. Dave,
976
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.320
it was one hundred and fifty dollars a roll, and
977
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.519
she contacted SAG and said I need to be paid
978
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.039
because they canceled on the day of. She hadn't even
979
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.199
left her house yet. Dude, you know what I mean.
980
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.239
So will we ever work with her again? Hell no,
981
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.440
If we ever hear about her again, we'll be like, dude,
982
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.079
that fill in the blank literally cost us one hundred
983
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.280
and fifty dollars when we had nothing in the bank
984
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.039
because a role got cut. She wasn't in a car,
985
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.159
she wasn't on set, literally, she was just waking up.
986
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.000
And I said, I'm so, so so sorry, But that
987
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.480
just gives you an example of that type of attitude
988
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.960
can be deadly, you know. So I'm glad she wasn't
989
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.079
in it, because if somebody would do that to a small, tiny,
990
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:11.800
little movie to get you one hundred and fifty bucks, like,
991
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:13.880
how would you have been on set? You know? I
992
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.159
just I just don't think you can be positive enough,
993
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.320
even if you're not a positive person learned to be,
994
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.039
because I don't think this is the business for you
995
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.800
if you're not ready to really just be nothing but
996
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:23.880
good energy.
997
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.559
Yeah, I concur you know. And the funny thing is,
998
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.920
when last time I casted for a film I was
999
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.039
shooting in, we did it the right way. We had
1000
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.920
We had it at a studio. We had you know,
1001
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.280
we had a we had two rooms, we had everything
1002
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.400
so and we had a great audition room that was
1003
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.599
on an elevated stage. And I had a rule, Nope,
1004
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.360
we I am going to cast everybody that I don't
1005
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.599
know people got you know that I knew got to
1006
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.400
go up there, and I gave everyone a shot who
1007
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.400
I think even had a remote shot, and we whole
1008
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.800
day and I actually ended up casting everybody who I
1009
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:04.079
did no completely, I had no friends, no family, nothing.
1010
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.559
Everybody was somebody I didn't know I was meaning for
1011
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.800
the first time. Though, all those people proved out to
1012
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.400
be right. Uh, they were all great, great people except
1013
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.159
for I. Actually, let me let me amend what I
1014
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.320
just said. There's one person I hired based upon the
1015
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.639
producer who wanted him, and I said, okay, I said,
1016
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.199
I will, I will tell I will take a chanceless person.
1017
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:25.559
That person ended up.
1018
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.119
Being the problem.
1019
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.039
Okay, yeah, And and that was because I knew and
1020
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.880
I said, this is why I wanted all fresh faces.
1021
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.039
But by the way, and it's funny you mentioned about
1022
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.800
SAG because uh, this person kept you know, as I
1023
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.400
didn't even I announced casting and then I didn't even
1024
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.960
bother like you know what I mean, Like my producers
1025
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.559
were on Facebook all the time, and I I and
1026
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.239
you know at that point, I you know, I have
1027
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.639
an on and off relationship with Facebook. But anyways, who doesn't,
1028
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.719
Oh my god, the drama on Facebook? Like who needs
1029
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:56.800
this ship? Honestly?
1030
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.239
With the whole promoted post ship Like, isn't the whole
1031
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.400
premise of basebo is if somebody likes you, when they
1032
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.559
click like that, they get to know about what you're doing,
1033
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.480
and now you have to pay them to let them
1034
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.039
know what you're doing. It's like ridiculous, dude. It's like,
1035
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.239
you have like ten thousand followers and your post reached
1036
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.239
five people, Like, well, what about the nine thousand, five
1037
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.239
hundred and ninety nine five people that want to know
1038
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:18.960
what I'm doing? And now I have to pay you
1039
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:20.840
to do it. I almost feel like they invented that,
1040
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.960
they made it awesome, and then once they had the
1041
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.280
whole world on it, they decided to start getting fucking
1042
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.920
paid and screw you. The whole purpose of this is
1043
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.079
out the window. So then I mean Facebook to me
1044
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.119
is I want it to go the way of my Space.
1045
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:34.039
Let it burn.
1046
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.280
You know, it's like the mafia, man, Anything you want
1047
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.599
done on Facebook, you gotta.
1048
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.519
Pay for it. Absolutely totally Facebook the Mafia of social media.
1049
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.280
But I was just gonna just to finish that thought.
1050
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.239
This guy said, you know, hey, I would like to
1051
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.599
like to try out and I like to, you know,
1052
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.920
for a role, And already I've been warned about this guy,
1053
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:00.000
real creepy dude, real sleezebag. Well, one of my producers says, listen,
1054
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.880
you know we'll be casting soon enough, or we're crowdfunding
1055
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.079
right now. He took us to SAG and said that
1056
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.519
we were trying to make him pay to audition. Oh
1057
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:14.559
my god, and SAG thankfully sided with us, and they said, no,
1058
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.880
they did not say that. Blah blah blah. I told
1059
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.079
my producer, I said, don't even talk to him. I said,
1060
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.079
I told you about this guy. And then I mean
1061
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.760
that caused the problem between us, and I mean all
1062
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.519
because of this this really wormy guy.
1063
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:31.199
That's bizarre. It's like there's people just like I always fear,
1064
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.679
there's a lot of people in this world that I
1065
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:34.880
would like to fucking tell the fuck off, right, But
1066
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.880
I don't because I just feel that you burn bridges.
1067
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.880
You never know what's going to occur, especially in a
1068
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.079
business like this. Why would you ever even somebody's a dick, Okay,
1069
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.920
they're a jerk. You're my homeboy, Dave. I call you
1070
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.599
on this line, say, Dave, do not work with Chuck schmacateello.
1071
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.960
He's terrible, right, But why tell chuck that he's a
1072
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.480
terrible person. I even in life, I don't do that
1073
00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.320
when I meet somebody that don't like It's like, what's
1074
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.800
the point, dude, Like why throw that negative energy out there?
1075
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:04.679
I mean it's just but I just think people that
1076
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:06.440
do that in this business, what are they fools? They
1077
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.400
don't think people talk. I mean, it's just insanity. You know.
1078
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.480
Oh dude, the one time on Facebook that you know,
1079
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.639
the Philly film scene. As we were talking the pre interview,
1080
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.760
this guy gets on his Facebook tags a local producer
1081
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.400
and says and says, Oh, this guy's a piece of shit,
1082
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.480
fuck him, blah blah blah. And I'm sitting there and
1083
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:29.280
I'm thinking this has to be a joke. I said that,
1084
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.119
because there's no way this guy is serious. They start
1085
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.920
going back and forth all over Facebook and the one
1086
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.719
and the guy chimes back with, well, it's not a
1087
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:38.519
good idea to make enemies with a producer.
1088
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:39.159
Huh yeah.
1089
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:40.719
And they're going back and this guy because the other
1090
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.239
guy was an actor. They're going back and forth. Other
1091
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.079
people are getting brought in, and I go, all these
1092
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.840
people have just entered my blacklist, because I mean, I
1093
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:50.719
would never want anything of this to happen, and.
1094
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.960
The crazy dude like, why, It's just there's a lot
1095
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.320
of weird stuff out there, so obviously and I were
1096
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.679
jumping all over the place. But the whole point of that,
1097
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.800
to go back to the bet. The movie that we
1098
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.280
made is man, we eliminated that, Dave. I mean, it
1099
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.400
was awesome. If you would to go on this set,
1100
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.599
you literally would be treated with so much kindness and respect.
1101
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.039
And check this out. When we were doing auditions, I
1102
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.159
would ask people that I was interested at the end
1103
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.360
when they got up. I literally, even the girl who
1104
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.159
plays our lead actress, who's gone on to do some
1105
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.239
really cool stuff. I said, because I loved her. I
1106
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.079
thought she was great, And I was just like, I
1107
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.400
have one last question, like are you a nice person?
1108
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.199
And she was stunned and she was just like, uh,
1109
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.079
what do you mean, Like I don't know, just like
1110
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.480
we're new to this, and you know, we're scared of
1111
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.960
like the whole actress Hollywood reputation, Like we just want nice,
1112
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.639
normal people, Like are you friendly like in real life?
1113
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.920
And she started laughing and she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm
1114
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.400
friendly in real life. But she was so stunned to
1115
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.960
hear that question, but it came from a very honest place,
1116
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.679
you know, like are you being real right now? Or
1117
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.760
are you being nice because you want to get cast
1118
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.159
in this Like if we're having lunch, can we talk
1119
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.559
to each other? Are you going to be.
1120
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.800
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
1121
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:02.679
and now back to the show.
1122
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:05.719
I don't want to be here. I just did it.
1123
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.039
Get everything on my reel. I got something better. Now
1124
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:09.360
I need to go be a hot chick on the
1125
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.559
set of you know, the thirty Rock I'd be bad example,
1126
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.119
but you know what I mean. Like it was, I
1127
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.400
was so obsessed with making sure that people were nice.
1128
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:19.920
I wanted them talented too. There's a couple of people
1129
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.639
we passed on. I think that could have maybe even
1130
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.039
helped the movie because they had a bit of a
1131
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:24.840
name because I met him and I was like, I
1132
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.159
got a bad feeling, man, I got a bad feeling,
1133
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.199
like they're not going to take this seriously. They wanted
1134
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.920
being bigger shit. I'd like those people that are kind
1135
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.000
of bubbling, that are really hungry and want to do
1136
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:35.920
good work. Because there was a lot of like with
1137
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.960
the dads, we cast two professional wrestlers. We cast a Diamond,
1138
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.320
Dallas Page and Jake the Snake Roberts, which is a
1139
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:45.119
wild story. But we had a couple of leads on
1140
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.360
some dads or more like character actors and I won't
1141
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.159
say any names, but dudes that you and I know,
1142
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.280
But there were these B movie dudes, dave, these dudes
1143
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.199
that like, yo, you give them five grand a day, right,
1144
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.440
and they'll come and they'll barely know the lines, but
1145
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.159
you can say, you've got the dude from this TV
1146
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.559
show in it, or the guy that was in this movie,
1147
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.719
you know, and they just make a living popping around
1148
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.199
these B movies. I even hear one guy wore an
1149
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.800
earpiece and I'm like, what, that guy's not even that big.
1150
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.800
But they're like, he wears an ear piece and you
1151
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.840
feed him his lines, but hey, you can give him
1152
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.800
five grand and then you can say so and so
1153
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.639
is the dad in your little tiny movie. And I
1154
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.480
just thought that was so horrifying and kind of sad too,
1155
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.960
but it's a reality, you know, yeah.
1156
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.719
You know, I just I was just thinking right now,
1157
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.159
a guy on set with an ear piece and someone
1158
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.599
some pa feedingum line, like and what does he say?
1159
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.199
Like, you know, okay, mister so and so say this
1160
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.199
one sad. You know, I miss you son, you know,
1161
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.079
and he's just like, I miss you. I mean imagine
1162
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.000
editing around that. I mean imagine making sure the dude's
1163
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.840
hair covers the ear piece. And that's a reality that
1164
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.039
a filmmaker would do, because hey, at least he's got
1165
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.199
some type of name. So on the stupid cover, we
1166
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:59.280
can put featuring the dude from I'm trying to think
1167
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:00.760
of a TV show, you know what I mean, but
1168
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.599
featuring the dude from uh, you know, you see them Davy,
1169
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.119
You know, I don't have to do das. You see
1170
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.039
those guys that just they're like, why are they in
1171
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.360
so many B movies where they just take the five
1172
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.320
grand a day and that's that, and then people cram
1173
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.000
their scenes in one day because they can't afford him
1174
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.920
for two days. You know, it's crazy, man.
1175
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.599
You know my favorite dad who's actually starting B movies
1176
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.400
was is Michael Gross from Family Ties where he's he's
1177
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.119
in tremors And I actually know somebody who's worked with
1178
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.039
him and he says, no, Michael's not like that at all.
1179
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:33.159
Michael actually shows up, he still works hard. He's the
1180
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.760
nicest guy, and I said.
1181
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.920
I hasn't done more. I actually thought he was a
1182
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.559
really good actor. Like, is he still around?
1183
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Oh yeah, he's still around. He just released Tremors five
1184
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:43.599
with him and Jimmy Kennedy.
1185
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.000
Wow, Wow, dude, great name great. That's a hell of
1186
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.280
a poll right there. Dude, that's that's somebody that's just
1187
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.360
seems like a good actor. I bet he's a good dude.
1188
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.960
You know. That's when that's an interesting one. You forget
1189
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about people like that. There's so many of them floating
1190
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.719
around out there. It's it's got to be brutal, dude,
1191
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.000
I mean, to be an actor, just got it be caugh.
1192
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.519
Yeah, definitely. And you know, I have friends who're actors
1193
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.920
and we're always going back and forth about you know,
1194
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.400
auditioning and casting and stuff like this. And you know,
1195
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.000
because you know, you know how it is, Chris, Because
1196
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:14.199
some people know, hey, Dave, you know, what's this director
1197
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.559
like I'm going to work with? And I say, you know,
1198
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.519
he's you know, he's pretty no nonsense, and you know,
1199
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blah blah blah. This one's you know, real, you know,
1200
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.239
fast and loose, just wants to have fun. So you
1201
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.480
know what I mean, It's just stuff like that, you know,
1202
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.880
and and it's most and I would never recommend anybody
1203
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.480
like we were just talking about, I would never recommend
1204
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.719
anybody who I wasn't one hundred percent confident in, you
1205
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.719
know what I mean, And I mean that that really
1206
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:37.840
is critical, you know. And I would, by the way,
1207
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I would love to work with Michael Gross someday. I
1208
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.280
think I've not only heard good things about him, but
1209
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.559
I heard you know, I still I love everything he's in,
1210
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.280
all the Tremors movies. He makes those Tremors movies.
1211
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:50.480
And plus, if he ever writes an autobiography, he already
1212
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.360
has the greatest title ever, just a Gross Life. And
1213
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.679
it's just in on the front looking sad, you know,
1214
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.599
just covered in blood of a tremor, of a gravel totally.
1215
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.039
So, you know, Chris, as we know, as we're talking
1216
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:04.800
about the bet, I wanted to ask, and I always
1217
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.440
ask this to to any filmmakers, what was the biggest challenge,
1218
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.519
Whether it was a day, whether it was a specific incident,
1219
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.360
you know, what was the you know, the biggest obstacle
1220
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.840
you had to overcome while you were making this thing.
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During during filming or during the whole process. During filming, Okay,
1222
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.119
during filming, okay, because we filmed over thirteen days. You know,
1223
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.360
we shot in thirteen days, all in the city of Ventura.
1224
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The most difficult thing was during filming. The most difficult
1225
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:37.840
thing was the wearing of the different hats because we
1226
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:41.480
were so small that Aaron and I were the set dressers, right,
1227
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:46.559
Aaron and I were the the wardrobe dudes. Aaron and
1228
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.960
I were the prop guys. Aaron and I were the
1229
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.000
go get the catering guys. And Aaron and I were
1230
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.960
also the Oh geez, we were, I mean we were
1231
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.440
we were so much. We were so much and it
1232
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.760
was too many hats. The less that I learned, hopefully,
1233
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:03.599
when we make our next one. Oh actually, I just
1234
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.519
talk positive. When we make our next one next year, right,
1235
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The key thing I think would be is you just
1236
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.960
can't have enough of those assistants. Not people to beat
1237
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.639
up or bully or make you go get coffee, you
1238
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.559
know what I mean, but just somebody there with you, like, hey,
1239
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.079
like this is kind of my guy, you know what
1240
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.199
I mean, Like, you know, hey, I'm just gonna make
1241
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this up. But Steve, Steve, you're with me, Ryan, You're
1242
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.239
with Aaron. Yo, We'll treat you great, nothing but love.
1243
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.480
But we just need it. Sec a set of hands
1244
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.440
that you're always with me, almost like give me two
1245
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.880
extra arms. You know. We're gonna be doing some fun stuff,
1246
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.039
you know. But we just bid off more than we
1247
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.440
could choose, so it was hard to focus on that.
1248
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.880
And then I was also picking up wrestlers at airports,
1249
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.880
and we also had other people helping with this, Dave,
1250
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:46.159
I don't want you to think it was just four
1251
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:49.440
people making this movie, right, but we just thought we
1252
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.760
could do more. I wanted to be on set more, dude,
1253
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.639
you know, and to be sitting there watching it. And
1254
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.000
you know, as the writer and co producer, I wanted
1255
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.519
to be watching the actual movie get made. And I
1256
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.400
spent fifty percent of that movie not on set but
1257
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:05.519
setting up the set or picking people up or picking
1258
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.199
up food because we were so small, you know. So
1259
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I guess I guess the most difficult thing was wearing
1260
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:12.679
too many hats. You got to find a way to
1261
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.039
find more people to help with the hats, but you
1262
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.400
have to trust them, and I really and don't trust
1263
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.519
many people. I had a vision of how every room
1264
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.400
should look. I had a vision of I knew the
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00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.679
relationships with the restaurants that were doing the catering, So
1266
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:26.320
how can I send somebody when I need to be
1267
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.679
the one that goes in there, And it's Chris's face
1268
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.480
that they know, and that's why they're giving them a
1269
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.400
bunch of tacos. So it was just that, you know,
1270
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.440
I think you can wear too many hats, and sometimes
1271
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.199
that can probably be the death of small movies. But again,
1272
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.199
we had a lot of good people around us, so that,
1273
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.280
to me, was the most difficult thing. I should have
1274
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.440
trimmed a couple things off the list that I was
1275
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.239
responsible for, but we wanted to take that money, Dave
1276
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and put it in other places. And I think that's
1277
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why our movie Hopefully, when you see it, hopefully you'll
1278
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.519
like it and find it funny, but I think you'll
1279
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.280
see man for the budget, damn, these guys did a
1280
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.639
good job of making this stuff look legit, you know,
1281
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.760
And I think that's because we put money. We saved
1282
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money in certain places where other places would get trailers right,
1283
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or other places would hire a catering company, or where
1284
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.199
other places would pay for food, or other places would
1285
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.920
hire a set dresser. We did all of that, you know,
1286
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.719
and that really I think made things difficult but made
1287
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.119
us to make a movie that's better.
1288
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.239
Yeah, you know, that is something I always talk about
1289
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with filmmakers, is there's a tendency to read something like
1290
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.559
Robert Riguez's film with a filmmaker without a crew, or
1291
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.719
even like the The Rebels Guide by Stu Makowitz, and
1292
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it's almost like, and I've done this to myself, it's
1293
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:38.039
almost as if we're trying to be a one man
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00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.280
crew and it ends up hurting you more than helping you.
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00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.880
And I completely understand Chris when you're talking about putting
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that money elsewhere. That's what I've always thought of, too,
1297
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is you know, why should I have? You know, I
1298
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.239
can be the camera operator and the cinematographer and the
1299
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.280
boom mic operator, and I'll edit this thing and you
1300
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.079
know what I mean, and I'll be the colorists. Well
1301
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.039
I'll do Follward just.
1302
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.400
Speak because you can, should you? That's the question exactly.
1303
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.679
Yeah. So that's why when I when I make movies
1304
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:05.320
from now on, I always just want to be the writer,
1305
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.320
the director, and the producer. And even that's a lot.
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00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:10.320
Even yeah, that's a lot, dude, that's a lot.
1307
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:11.800
I think the writer is the easiest one of the
1308
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bunch because your work's kind of done, Like, what are
1309
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.840
you going to do on set? Maybe catch a line
1310
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.360
that you want done a little different. It's you know
1311
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.320
what I'm saying, like, I think you can handle being
1312
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.719
like but it sounds like, yeah, I'm not certain. I'm
1313
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:23.920
not going to tell you how to do it. But
1314
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.000
you're right. I mean, you just wear so many hats
1315
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.159
because you can. But then again, at the end, the
1316
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.119
hardest part, the hardest part of the whole movie, forget
1317
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.079
the filming, filming was awesome, is post production. We were
1318
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.320
not prepared, We were not ready. We ran out of money.
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Tech issue after tech issue after tech issue after tech issue.
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00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.159
To the point of the film is out upon release
1321
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.639
of this podcast right came out today, I believe. So
1322
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.599
the film can be seen blah blah blah. But I'm
1323
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.920
talking to you a couple of days before we release it, right,
1324
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.840
let's be honest. So our premiere is in Los Angeles
1325
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.480
in forty eight hours, and we just just got the
1326
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.159
Blu ray completed to show it. Because the poor producer
1327
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:08.239
and director has spent the past ten days doing program
1328
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.639
after program after recording after program to burn a freaking
1329
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blue ray. I mean, like that's what we're talking about,
1330
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.280
and it's tech tech tech tech tech has been a
1331
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:20.519
complete nightmare for something like this because we haven't had
1332
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.320
the money to have a real proper post production team,
1333
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.639
and it really made things take a long time and
1334
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:28.320
was really was brutal. Man. So I would say tech
1335
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.039
is the hardest part of it, which is funny because
1336
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:31.280
it's the first thing you and I said when we
1337
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:32.679
got on the phone in the pre interview.
1338
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:36.800
You know, yeah, absolutely, and you know, I'm so glad
1339
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.079
though that everything has worked out, honestly, man, because I honestly, Chris,
1340
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.559
because I hear so many you know, independent films. You know,
1341
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they have a budget, whatever that budget might be, and
1342
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.880
they get to like seventy five percent done, eighty percent done,
1343
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.599
and all of a sudden they have to stop for
1344
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.199
whatever reason. You know what I mean. There is so
1345
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.599
many movies in the philadelph especially in the Philadelphy area
1346
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where you know where I am.
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01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.559
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
1348
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:07.719
and now back to the show.
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Where I've you know, I've been a part of films
1350
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.559
like that where I've been an actor for him or
1351
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.599
I've helped that and crew or something, and all of
1352
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.719
a sudden, you know, they're like, oh yeah, that movie's
1353
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.880
on some guy's hard drive and we're probably never going.
1354
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.360
To finish it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah totally. And how
1355
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.320
sad is that? Is there anything more sad in the
1356
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.199
world than that? Man? I mean, like you know that
1357
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.159
heart and soul and blood, sweat and tears and it's
1358
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.599
just gone, like oh man, I mean, I'd be devastated, dude.
1359
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.599
We were devastated how long post production was taking. And
1360
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.679
at one point I had I was never going to
1361
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.000
give into the vision, but there was a vision of
1362
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:41.159
is this going to be one of these things? You
1363
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:42.519
know what I'm saying, like, is this going to be
1364
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:44.440
one of these things that can't get done because we
1365
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.320
ran out of money? That was a real tough time,
1366
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.719
you know, I mean post production look a long time,
1367
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.840
and uh man, it's depressing. It's kind of scary, like,
1368
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.840
oh my god, Like you know, what are the investors
1369
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:56.320
going I mean, I'm being honest with you because it's
1370
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.039
a filmmaking podcast, right, but like, what are the investors
1371
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.239
going to do if if we can't pull this off?
1372
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.519
What happens to the footage. What happens to our reputations.
1373
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.519
I mean, like, so we just stayed in the pocket.
1374
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.239
But I mean the amount of work. My god, Dave,
1375
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:10.880
if you could have told me ahead at the time,
1376
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.639
I would have done it, of course, But geez, what
1377
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.280
I questioned my sanity, you know, because I mean, I've
1378
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.039
basically remained in poverty just to get this thing done,
1379
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:21.800
because I can only work part time because I need
1380
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.119
to spend the rest of the time working on the movie. Man.
1381
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.280
I mean, it's god, is it a labor of love.
1382
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:28.280
I just have such a deep respect for people that
1383
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.440
make movies. Now, I will never shit on a movie.
1384
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.920
I may not like it, but an indie film, I'll
1385
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.840
shit on the studio ones all day, you know. But
1386
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.440
I will never shit on an indie film again. And
1387
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.599
when I say Indy, let's talk about real indies, dude,
1388
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.480
I'm not talking about a million dollar indie with Daniel
1389
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.320
Radcliffe being a guy who farts as a corpse. I'm
1390
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.840
talking about like, you know, I'm talking about like, hey,
1391
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.559
you made a movie for one hundred thousand dollars. You
1392
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:51.079
made a movie for one hundred and fifty, You made
1393
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.800
a move for seventy five. Basically, you pull off a
1394
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:55.880
movie for under one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and
1395
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.960
you have my respect forever, you know.
1396
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.840
Yeah, and I agree completely. And by the way, Swith's
1397
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Army Man. Somebody told me the premise of that movie
1398
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.840
and I thought they were joking around. And then and
1399
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then I saw a trailer and I was like, oh okay,
1400
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.360
I said, you know, Chris, I've seen so many weird
1401
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.639
movies over the years. At this point, I'm like, you
1402
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.440
know what, I'll take a gamble on this one too.
1403
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.400
Yeah. Cool, Good for you man, Good for you maybe.
1404
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.840
I mean, honestly, it'd probably be like a freaking masterpiece, right,
1405
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.440
could probably be like the most important film made in years,
1406
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.239
you know, so good for them. You got to respect
1407
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.599
somebody doing something different, you know, you have to. But
1408
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.039
people are telling me like it's this new indie. Get
1409
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.760
the fuck. I ain't nothing indie about a movie with
1410
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.400
those two guys in it, Like, come on, you know,
1411
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.360
the CGI alone when he rides them through the ocean
1412
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.840
probably costs like one hundred thousand dollars. You know, you
1413
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.880
and I could have made five shorts for that, you know.
1414
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.840
Yeah, yeah, seriously, I mean and I believe I understand
1415
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:51.679
completely what you're saying, Chris and I and you know,
1416
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.039
because I mean, I've made movies for literally nothing, just
1417
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:57.079
everyone doing it for the love of the game. And
1418
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.920
I've made things for like twenty five, thirty forty thousand,
1419
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.719
and you're like, holy crap, it sounds like a lot
1420
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:04.480
of money when I started, and now it's like down
1421
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:05.039
to nothing.
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01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.760
Yeah, I mean, it's man, it's just a it's it's
1423
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.599
a mind blowing business man. I got a lot of
1424
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:12.400
respect for you guys that do this and love it
1425
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.559
and breathe it because it's so hard to get it done.
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01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.079
I mean, what other thing can you name that you
1427
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.280
just can't do? Right? If I want to be a
1428
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.440
pro baseball player, probably not gonna happen, but damn it.
1429
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.199
I can play baseball every day in my life, right,
1430
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:24.840
I can get in an inter real league. I can
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01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.719
play and fill in the blank with anything else. Music. Okay,
1432
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.199
maybe I'm not going to be you know, I'll give
1433
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.239
you bon Jovie reference and you're that part of the world.
1434
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:34.159
I'm not gonna be bon Jovi, But I can still
1435
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.199
write a song. I can still find a little coffee house,
1436
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.039
open mic and I can play it for people, right,
1437
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:41.239
But you just can't make a film. Okay, you can
1438
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.719
grab your iPhone, of course, I'm not saying you can
1439
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:45.119
do that, but do you know what I mean, an
1440
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.400
actual full length feature film. You just can't do it.
1441
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.360
There's a million hurdles, there's all these people. I don't
1442
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.039
I just think it's just such a such an undertaking
1443
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.159
to go down that road that I just support anybody man, like,
1444
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.719
just awesome, hell, it's great. How can I help you?
1445
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.079
You know? What? Do you need? Guys? Because you're about
1446
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.920
to go to war, like you are about to go
1447
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:09.679
to war, and it doesn't end in the filming. You know,
1448
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.480
here I am two years later, finally releasing the thing,
1449
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.440
and the distribution. You're dealing with and doing the premiere
1450
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.360
and and doing the press, and you're all doing I mean, dude,
1451
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:21.159
I mean, I'm just again. You are talking to me
1452
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:23.119
at a time where my head's spinning, so you're probably
1453
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.719
getting a very emotional version of me. If we talk
1454
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:27.760
in three months, we could probably have a very relaxed
1455
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.519
So Chris, how did it happen? Well, Dave, this happened,
1456
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.159
you know. But I'm in the midst of like, ah,
1457
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.480
and but it's an exciting one and I asked for
1458
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.360
this and I'm pumped up. And we're proud of it too. Man.
1459
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.679
You know it's a it's a big life goal and
1460
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:44.159
a huge accomplishment, you know, yeah, oh absolutely, Chris.
1461
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.239
And you know, I mean I I've been there before too,
1462
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.360
and I completely understand where you're coming from, dude. And honestly, Chris,
1463
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:53.039
you should be proud of the Bet movie. And now
1464
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.159
you're gonna you're probably at that phase where you know,
1465
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.360
at the end you were probably you know, you're drained,
1466
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.880
You've given everything you can and you're like, you know what,
1467
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.239
I've made one movie, that's it, goodbye. And then you know,
1468
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:05.880
about a month or two later, you're like, man, I
1469
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:07.000
should maybe make a nun.
1470
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.840
It's not it's funny you say that, Dave. While we
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01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.039
were waiting for post production to happen and we were
1472
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.639
kind of had the post production blues right and trying
1473
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:17.360
to find some more money, right, what we did is
1474
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.119
we run another script. Aaron and I learned so much.
1475
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:23.360
We said, let's take this education, let's write another one. Man.
1476
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.679
And you know, it's so funny. You know, you always
1477
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:28.400
you get better but we had so much on set
1478
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:31.039
experience in this whole process. I kind of feel like
1479
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.039
we went to film school without going to film school, right,
1480
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.519
And I'm sure film school people were like, fucking idiot, No,
1481
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:39.679
you didn't know. It's true, I don't know the difference
1482
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:42.199
between this brand of camera this brand of camera. Right.
1483
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.360
But we wrote this next script and we're very excited
1484
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.360
about it. We actually want to shoot it next year
1485
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.679
in South Jersey and your neck of the woods. And
1486
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:53.119
it was so cool because we got to write a
1487
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.079
script knowing what it's like to make a movie. Now
1488
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.360
we know what we need. Now we know too can't
1489
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.559
write that scene that's ridiculous, it'll get but so it
1490
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.760
got to be very focused. And that's just the education
1491
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.039
that comes with time that guys like you have. But
1492
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.639
it was very exciting to put that into play. And
1493
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.920
if this movie does well, you know, your your hope
1494
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.519
is that it opens the door for another executive producer,
1495
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.280
or the same executive producers, or just more connections in
1496
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.519
the business to back this and get behind another one.
1497
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.440
But I definitely learned we need more money if we
1498
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:22.199
want to make the type of movie we made. We're
1499
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:23.880
not gonna be able to do it on that budget. Again,
1500
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:25.880
we're gonna need to find a couple more bucks. You
1501
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:27.519
got to move up the ladder a little bit, right,
1502
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:29.760
You can't, you can't go in the opposite direction.
1503
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.119
Oh yeah, it's just like what Dov Simon says. You know,
1504
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:35.800
you may you get to make a twenty thousand dollars movie,
1505
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.440
then you make a fifty thousand dollars movie, then you
1506
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.039
make one hundred and some one thousand, and then all
1507
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:40.519
of a sudden you're making a million dollar movies.
1508
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:41.000
You know what I mean.
1509
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.000
I think, actually, I think he starts off with in
1510
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:47.840
his paradigm, you make you make a movie for nothing, literally,
1511
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.719
it's just your friends, whatever, and then you have to
1512
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.000
make a movie for like ten grand or five grand,
1513
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.559
and then you move up. You know it sporadically. But yeah,
1514
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:59.119
but I know exactly where you're coming from, because that's
1515
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:00.880
what I mean. That's where I I've always said too,
1516
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.639
is you know, people ask me about making stuff and
1517
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:05.760
why haven't made anything like four or five years, and
1518
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.280
my answer is is because I'm an idiot and I
1519
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.880
write things and I go, holy shit, I would never
1520
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.239
be able to even using all my methods that I
1521
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.159
talked about in this podcast. Even having all the people
1522
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.280
who who've talked to me and saying, look, what do
1523
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.000
you have access to? What can you make today with it?
1524
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.360
With all you have access to? I end up writing
1525
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.199
stuff that I'm like, dude, I look at one effect
1526
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:28.639
and I'm like, this thing would cost fifty grand, or
1527
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:30.880
I look at this, this one goes you know, I mean,
1528
01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:32.679
I mean, but then again, Chris, you know, I don't
1529
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.159
know if I don't know if you ever listened to
1530
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.239
this other couple of the podcasts. But I mean, I'm
1531
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.400
the guy who was able to get a live working
1532
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:43.119
tank and also able to get fake police cars to
1533
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.840
destroy And it wasn't that I wasn't you know. We
1534
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:48.719
couldn't make it because not because we couldn't find the
1535
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:50.920
tank and the police cards are destroyed, but because me
1536
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:55.559
and the director couldn't get along. So it was a
1537
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.239
very odd I love it.
1538
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.280
So therefore your biography should be I found that Tank
1539
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:02.440
wants the Dave Ballist story, you know.
1540
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.960
Yeah. Yeah, And and I actually because I have a
1541
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.599
friend of mine who's a mechanic. He uh, he has
1542
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.559
a contract with police. The police department had all the
1543
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.920
old police parts we were going to doc throw up
1544
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.720
all these old junkers to look like police cars from
1545
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:18.720
just one side and then run a tank over them.
1546
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:21.159
And we had and I got everything all squared away,
1547
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:22.800
and I mean the director connected, Wow.
1548
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.760
That's crazy. But but now he's in tank that you
1549
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.880
found a tank. That's the important thing, you know.
1550
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.119
Yep, he's my tank guy from now on.
1551
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:30.560
This guy guy. I love it. Hey, at least you
1552
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.279
have a tank guy. A lot of people don't have that.
1553
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:35.079
I love it.
1554
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:37.279
I got two things going for me. I had a
1555
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.479
pro wrestling match and I and I have a tank guy.
1556
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:40.159
So that's it.
1557
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:42.960
I think for most people that's enough, you know what
1558
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.479
I mean? Like you know, you know, even on your tombstone,
1559
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.159
like here lies Dave Ballist, he had one pro wrestling
1560
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:50.800
match and one time he found a tank. I mean,
1561
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.079
everybody's gonna take a picture of that tombstone. That's gonna
1562
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:53.239
be a.
1563
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:57.000
Plastic up as I'm buried in a uh what is it?
1564
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:02.560
The piano crate. But I just become like Marlon Brando.
1565
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:04.640
I just eat myself into like an early grave.
1566
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:05.880
It'd be worse.
1567
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:11.520
We just took a very dark turn there. But Chris
1568
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.199
I wanted to ask, where can people find the BET
1569
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:14.560
movie out?
1570
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.520
Yeah, absolutely so the BET as of right now is
1571
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:20.399
officially out. I think it's actually comes out today on
1572
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.760
the day of airing. From July twenty sixth on, it
1573
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:28.079
is on should be, should be on all VOD outlets
1574
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:32.119
like Time Warners, movies on demand, Comcast Movies on demand,
1575
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:36.520
you know, direct TV movies on demand, and of course iTunes.
1576
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.720
That's kind of the de facto place and that's probably
1577
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.560
the first place I would send somebody to look for
1578
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:43.239
it on iTunes. But it'll also be available for around
1579
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:48.520
on Xbox, PlayStation, Fandango, now, Voodoo, so basically all the
1580
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.760
digital outlets, the VOD outlets, and then we'll be doing
1581
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.359
a DVD at the end of August, and then god
1582
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.439
willing fingers crossed conversation for another time.
1583
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:06.239
Right back after a word from our sponsor, and now
1584
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:07.079
back to the show.
1585
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:12.479
We land on Netflix or Hulo Hulu with the streaming deal.
1586
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:14.319
So that's a plan. But right now, if you want
1587
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:16.600
to see this movie, if you like comedy, if you
1588
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.520
like silly movies, if you like professional wrestling, if you
1589
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:23.119
just want to see what a bunch of psychotic, ambitious
1590
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:27.279
dudes made on a small budget. You know, check it out.
1591
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.039
This this one came from the heart. Man. It's a
1592
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:31.880
silly movie. It's a wild movie. It's a wacky movie.
1593
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:35.479
It's certainly not for everybody. It's not highbrow, Dave, but
1594
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:37.880
you know, in a weird way, it came from all
1595
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.079
the right places. You know, it came from good people
1596
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:42.319
that worked really hard against a lot of odds. And
1597
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:44.920
you know, I think, as any indie filmmaker, regardless of
1598
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.039
the content, it's the type of movie you want to
1599
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.920
download by at once and support it because you know,
1600
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:52.760
I think a lot of people can relate to the struggle. Man.
1601
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:54.840
You know, it is real, and it's always cool when
1602
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.680
somebody cracks through and gets it out there. We'll see
1603
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.600
what happens. Man, I don't know what's gonna happened, but
1604
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.720
it's exciting. It's exciting to find out, you know. Yeah.
1605
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:06.279
And by the way, I meant to mention, this is
1606
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.039
Robby Roddy Piper's last movie.
1607
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.840
Right, Yes, it's a final appearance of Roddy Roddy Piper.
1608
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.000
He has a cameo in the film. So it is small,
1609
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.000
but that was one of the great joys in my
1610
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.680
life was having Roddy Piper in my own house hanging out.
1611
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.520
We got to spend a wonderful day together. We really bonded.
1612
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:23.960
We actually became friends from the whole project and kept
1613
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.560
in touch. So you know, when we lost him, that
1614
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.000
was you know, it kind of affected me a little bit.
1615
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.479
It was strange to have made friends with a hero
1616
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.119
like that and then worked with him on this and
1617
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.439
started to talk to him about other projects, and just
1618
01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:38.439
as quickly as he came in my life, he left.
1619
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.720
But it's a real honor to me. If if the
1620
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.359
only thing that this movie becomes known for historically that's
1621
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.640
a stretch of a word, but is if it's known,
1622
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.000
oh that was that last movie that Roddy popped in
1623
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:51.840
for a couple of minutes. Fine by me, Man, Fine
1624
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:53.920
by me. I'm honored to be the guy that made
1625
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:55.560
Roddy Piper's last movie.
1626
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.840
Yeah, And honestly, even if I if I I know you, Chris,
1627
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.720
I honestly I would have actually bought the movie just
1628
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.359
to see his last performance. I was, you know, being
1629
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:08.159
a wrestling fan of a huge Piper fan as well,
1630
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.119
and that I think that is so freaking cool. So
1631
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:12.680
to be able to say on your on your you know,
1632
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.479
on your eulogy, that can say, Hey, Chris, you know
1633
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.840
Chris j He he was able to hire out Droddy
1634
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:19.600
Piper and he made the Bet movie.
1635
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.640
Yeah, there you go. That's it, man, That's all I
1636
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.119
got going for me, you know. And of course, if
1637
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.439
anybody's listening, if they want to follow us online, you
1638
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.279
can go to the Betmovie twenty sixteen dot com. From
1639
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:34.359
there you can connect to our Facebook, our Twitter, our Instagram.
1640
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:36.600
We're trying to have fun with the marketing, Dave. We're
1641
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:38.520
really trying to get a little cult buzz on this.
1642
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.520
It's for comedy fans, it's for wrestling fans. We got
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some talented people in it, man. You know, our two
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lead actors, Amanda Clayton is going to be in a
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Martin Scorsese movie at the end of the year. She's
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on a Tyler Perry show right now. Our lead actor
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has a small role in Guardians of the Galaxy too.
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So you're gonna see some faces in here that I
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truly believe in my heart. In the next year or two,
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you're going to see a lot more of And I
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think we just took casting so seriously that you know,
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hopefully it's one of those films that go gains momentum
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as it goes to Netflix. As people see it, they're like,
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hey man, I saw this movie and it's kind of wild,
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but it's actually funny. I like to think it's kind
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of I don't know, you know, I think it's a
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funny movie. You don't make a comedy to not make
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people laugh, and that was our goal. You know.
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I'm glad you actually brought that up. If you have
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the time. I had some fan questions coming through Twitter. Yeah, sure, okay,
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so one of them, it actually is if there was
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one thing that you wanted the audience to take away
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from your film, what would that be.
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Somebody's got to write dick and fart jokes? Why not me?
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The second question is what cameras did you shoot on
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and did you shoot in four K?
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We shot on an Alexa, which we were very lucky
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to get so it looks awesome, and then we did
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one or two pickup shots with a red that was
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attached to a drone and the guy that let us
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use it basically ran around and fought underneath in terror
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because he was ready to catch it if it fell.
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And so you shot you didn't shoot in four K,
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you know, I mean, that's how not technical I am
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on being completely blunt with you, Dave, I'm not sure.
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I just know that we had the Alexa camera that
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everybody was super excited and it looked great, especially when
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we put that color on it. It's like, man, this
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looks like a real movie quote unquote, you know it's uh.
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By the way, as you you know, go through this
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wonderful world of filmmaking. By the way, that's the numb
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one question you will always ask. From now every time
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you make a film, every other filmmaker is going to
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ask you this question, what did you shooting on?
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What did you shoot it on?
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Yep, that that will be the col de facto question.
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And you know they're a filmmaker because non filmmaking people
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don't give two flying fucks what you shoot ony. You
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could shoot it on a cardboard box. No, you can say, hey,
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I shot it with my iPhone. Oh that's cool. What
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they're every filmmaking persons say, hey, would you shoot that on?
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Okay? Okay, I just sent a text to find out
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so in the future I won't look like a goog goob.
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It's cool.
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I believe me, man, I you know, it's all good
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with me.
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Uh.
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You know because every time that I've every film. If
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you go to a film festival, a film networking thing
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and you show a film, would you shoot that on? Okay?
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01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.680
Would you shoot them? That's everybody. Everyone loves to ask
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01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.359
that question. But but uh, but I just think that's
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01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:21.439
how I can tell if you're a film, if you're
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01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:24.279
in the industry or not, because non industry people won't
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even mention it.
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Uh huh.
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01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:31.279
But but yeah, Chris, I I want to say thank
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01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:34.319
you so much for coming on. Uh. And I want
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01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:35.880
to ask where people find you out online?
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Yeah, if people want to see what I'm up to
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01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:40.000
and all that fun stuff, the best place is probably
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on Twitter. And it's just at Army of Freshman. That's
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01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.239
the name of the band, and that's where I kind
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01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:48.319
of put my all my personal stuff, you know. And uh,
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01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.279
I got the text message. So I'm a professional filmmaker.
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01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.640
Now Dave you ready? Yeah, I'm ready ready, you're ready ready.
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They said we shot on an Alexa camera and it said, uh,
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at the time, Alexa didn't shoot four. We shot on
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a two. Does that okay? So two K two k okay,
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that's what I want to say in ALEXA two k okay. Good?
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Is that a good thing? Date or bad thing?
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01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:18.920
And that's that's fun? Honestly, man.
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01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.479
You know that's when should have hung up on me.
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01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:23.520
That would be a great end of this conversation. What
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01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:24.039
a fuck.
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01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:27.359
You know, that's how I ended up most conversations. What
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01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.760
a fun. Uh but uh but basically, you know, everyone
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01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.720
only only has ten eighty uh tenandy monitors, TVs, tablets, phones.
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01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.439
So I mean, you know, this whole thing about shooting
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two four eight, you know, it's I don't really know
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if it matters at the end of the day. I
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you know, I think it's a great thing. Honestly, if
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01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.960
you shoot, I think we're waves away from shooting everyone
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shooting in four K and being able to enjoy in
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01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:53.039
four K as well, because you have to crush all
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01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.279
this stuff anyway. So my answer is, yeah, I think
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that's great. Man.
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01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.600
Okay, good, good, good good. I can't wait for you
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01:16:58.600 --> 01:16:59.920
to see it, man, I really mean that, out of
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everybody that I've been talking to publicity wise, I think
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you'll have a neat perspective. Number one, because you like
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01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.119
wrestling in all honesty, and you'll probably understand that how
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01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.479
it's hard to work with wrestlers, and but you'll understand
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01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:12.680
the comedy of it. And number two, you're a film guy,
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01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.760
you know. Number three you're from Philly. And number four,
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01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:17.239
you didn't laugh at me when I didn't know what
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01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:19.039
camera it was shot on. So these are you know,
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01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.039
you're the type of guy that needs to see this film.
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01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:21.239
You know.
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01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.159
Yeah, I'm going to put on my pjs, I'm gonna
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01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.119
fire up the old Xbox. I'm gonna check it out.
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01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.760
Go co cool. Awesome, David, And thank you so much
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01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.520
for your time, dude. And again I do listen to
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01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.159
the podcast and I always enjoy your conversations. I like
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01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.359
how you have a lot of variety of people on
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01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:37.159
the show. You're not like kind of one of those
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01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.039
conceited podcasts that kind of just rip on people and
1758
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:41.840
you know, they just kind of make it sort of
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01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:43.800
I don't know, it's kind of seems like bitter dudes
1760
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.680
that don't make movies, that want to rip on people
1761
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.359
that do. That's not you. You're always so supportive to
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01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.760
your guests and I always learned something so I am
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01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.479
a fan. Man. It was a real pleasure talking to you.
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01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:55.479
Oh no, I appreciate that, Chris. Like I said in
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01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.199
the pre interview, man, I you know I always try
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01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:57.960
to say positive.
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01:17:58.439 --> 01:17:58.960
Uh. You know.
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01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.199
I always want to make this a place of positivity
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01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:05.039
and have as many interesting, diverse people as I can.
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01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.359
But having said that, I want to say thank you
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01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:09.319
very much for coming on, Chris, and I really do
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01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:11.680
wish you the best with a BET movie. I'm going
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01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.319
to be checking it out six. It is released on
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01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:18.840
all of the of the channels that Chris was talking about.
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01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:20.560
But Chris, honestly, Matt, I want to say thank you
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01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:22.800
so much for coming on, and I'm going to make
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01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:23.840
sure to check out the BET movie.
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01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.279
So my pleasure, Dave, you take care and thanks everybody
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01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:28.399
for listening. Really doesn't mean a lot. Please check out
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01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:30.359
the film and say hi, let us know what you thought.
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01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:32.640
Awesome. Take care chreer, Okay, take care. Brother.
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01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.560
I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:37.119
a great job on this episode. If you want to
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01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:39.039
get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
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01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:42.359
head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot
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01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.359
TV Forward slash four fifty five. Thank you so much
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01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.079
for listening to guys, as always, keep on writing no
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01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:49.680
matter what. I'll talk to you soon.
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01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.119
Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at Bulletproof
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Screenwriting dot tv.