Ep 5: Building Block 4: Intensity Management with featured guest, Dr. Pat Ivey

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Building Championship Mindsets the podcast.
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I am your host, doctor Amber Lattner. I just want
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to start by saying thank you, thank you, thank you
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to all of our amazing listeners all over the world
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this is going to continue to grow and that we're
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going to be able to share some understandings about how
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our brain works and how we can better understand that
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is people trying to be great in this world. So
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from the locker room to the boardroom, helping people understand
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how our brain works and then give us tools and
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strategies to manage that and build the mindsets that we
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know ultimately lead to consistent excellent performance again from sport
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to business, to our home lives and to how we
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live and give in our communities. And so today we
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are on building block number four again. We're in season one,
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which is called building the Mental Performance Foundation, and this
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is built around a program that I've developed years ago
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and have taken several individual athletes and teams through in
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terms of laying a solid foundation for the mental game.
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Building block one, we looked at awareness, which led us
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to building block two motivation, which led us to building
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block three, confidence, which leads us now to building block four,
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intensity management. So each building block builds on the other
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and helps us navigate and lay this foundation that we
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know we can continue to build the mindsets that lead
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to optimal performance upon. And what we know about intensity
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management is that mentally tough individuals or high performers in
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any domain have a very clear understanding of when their
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bodies are in the right intensity level and how that
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then impacts and drives performance. And so from a science standpoint,
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refer to this as arousal and the connection between arousal
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and performance. But again working predominantly with with football, basketball,
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and ice hockey athletes, and in the corporate space, you know,
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arousal tends to get some giggles, so we refer to
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it more as intensity management, but it is again scientifically
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referenced as arousal and performance. And so what we know
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about this connection is that as our arouser, as our
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intensity starts to go up, so does our performance. And
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so if we think about this on an X Y
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graph axis, you know you've got arousal intensity on your
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X axis and performance on your Why so if you
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think as intensity starts to go up, our performance starts
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to go up. To a point, and then if we
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get too aroused, too intense, too amped up, our performance
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actually starts to decline. So we sort of have this
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inverted you look on an xy graph axis, and so
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what this tells us is that there's a given level
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of intensity where our performance is going to be at
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its peak, and as each individual, we need to find
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what is that optimal level. Which leads us sort of
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to a deeper understanding of this intensity management aspect is
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that every individual is different, and not only every individual,
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but every different task that we do also brings with
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it an optimal level of intensity for us to be
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at our very best. So you know what we like
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to say Coach McGuire down at Missouri, he always referenced
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this is, you know, for a given person, on a
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given day, for a given task, under a given set
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of circumstances, there's a given level of arousal that will
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lead to optimal performance. Okay, so let's back that up.
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For given person, so me to you, to your boss,
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to your husband or spouse or significant other. Again, different people, right,
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so we all have a different energy level, a different
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different personalities. Right, They're going to vary this intensity level
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that will match. So for a given person on a
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given day, right, So, so different days we might have
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slept longer or shorter, and so there's going to be
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variances within our own bodies on different days that we
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have to be aware of and acknowledge for a given task. Okay,
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so let's take me for example. So the task of
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interviewing someone on this podcast, or even sharing the intros
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and outros on the podcast is going to be different
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than when I'm in the gym working out right, which
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is also going to be different than when I'm in
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front of an audience giving a speech, which is also
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going to be different than doing a team session in
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a locker room or in a corporate boardroom. And so
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I need to understand what task is at hand here
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and what intensity level is going to help me optimize
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that as a given person on a given day, with
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this given task, with a given set of circumstances. Again,
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you know who am I interviewing, what team am I
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communicating with, what individual am I working with, and those
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different circumstances that exist, I'm going to need to navigate
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because I know that all of those different givens are
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going to equate to a different given level of intensity
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for me to be at my very best. And so
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that really lays the foundation for us to start considering, well,
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what level of optimal intensity do I need to get
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into for me to deliver? And so I like to
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have my athletes, in the professionals that I work with,
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think about this on a scale from one to ten, right,
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where one is the lowest level of intensity and ten
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is the highest. And I often give the example too,
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and we're looking at comparatives of ray Lewis and Tom
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Brady right like very different. So if you think pregame,
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you see ray Lewis coming out of the top right,
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and this dude is he's got war pain on, he's screaming,
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he's yelling, he's all fired up right, ready to get
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his team out there to execute. And then you see
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Tom Brady come out right and he trots out holding
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his helmet, and you think, okay, okay, little bit different
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than old ray Lewis, right, but both men incredible athletes,
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incredible at their craft. And so we start to see how, Okay,
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some individuals function better at a much greater level of intensity,
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whereas others need to be at a lower level for
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them to execute. Now again we see different individuals. So
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Tom Brady and ray Lewis very different personalities but also
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very different tasks. Right, ray Lewismon, he was a linebacker,
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is very different than Tom Brady is a quarterback, and
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so they need to execute things differently and so therefore
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they need to have a different level of intensity so
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they can they can be and do their best. And
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that's what I want us to start thinking and considering this.
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Today we're going to have the opportunity to talk with
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doctor pat Ivy. He's out of the University of Missouri,
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former Division one college football player and professional football player,
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strength and conditioning coach at the top of his game,
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director of Athletic Performance, and now currently as a vice
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Chancellor of Access and Leadership at Miszoo. And so all
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these different domains that he's been in, even as an individual,
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he's had to learn to navigate what is my optimal
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zone here? And what is my number? And how do
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I find that number and get into it? And so
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as you start to think about this, I want you
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to start to think about pick a specific task that
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you do in your life, whether it's a sport or
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in business, and then start thinking about when you were
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at your best. So try to identify a best performance
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in the past and think about, all right, what was
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my intensity level in that moment? And some of you
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might have never considered this before and it might be challenging,
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and so I challenge you to go experiment with this.
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Go into a board meeting with a really low level
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of intensity someday and see and engage the reaction of
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your team around you. What worked, how did it go,
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how did you feel in that moment, and what was
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your performance like in that space? And then go into
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another one, really a higher level of intensity, and experiment
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with that and see where am I really at my best?
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Where do my people respond to me at their best,
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and then start to learn that so you can get
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in your zone. So I mandate very few things from
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my athletes from the mental beginning, because everybody again is different,
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but I do mandate that they all come to understand
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what is my optimal zone, because we know that the
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best of the best know what that is and can
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get into it an exact moment when they need to execute.
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This past week, I had to have the opportunity to
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give the keynote address at the Wisconsin Track and Cross
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Country Coaches Association Clinic and the other keynote. So the
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evening keynote address was given by coach Harry Mehra and
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Harry Mera is the track coach for the best athlete
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in the world, right, Ashton Eaton, who won the decathlon
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gold medal in the Real Olympics and also in the
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London Olympics, and coach Marra was Ashton's coach throughout the
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course of that and this was critical for Ashton to
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be able to execute you know, ten different events that
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require different levels of intensity and arousal levels for him
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to execute. And so you know, if Ashton went out
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and let's say, in one of his throwing events, didn't
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throw optimally or maybe fouled right, he had to be
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able to lock in to throw in that third throw
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for points right, And so he had to be so
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great at dialing this in because in the Olympics and
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the throws right particularly, we're talking about centimeters of difference
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here between gold and silver. And so again just helping
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our athletes and individuals understand that is pinpoint. As you
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can get this and then train your mind and your
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body to get there to execute. This is going to
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be critical in driving performance and pat Ivey's going to
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share with us through all these different domains that he's
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been in the importance of not only individuals understanding when
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they're at their best, but then coaches and colleagues also
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being able to recognize, Hey, just because I'm a high
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level of intensity doesn't mean that those in my on
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my team are also high and I need to learn
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what their optimal zone is and respect it so that
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we can all perform our absolute best today. Several years ago,
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I was having a conversation with Tony Alfred. He was
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coaching football at Notre Dame at the time. He's currently
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at Ohio State. And Tony was telling me about when
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he went from coaching running backs to wide receivers and
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and you know, all of a sudden, he's got these
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wide receivers in front of him, and he's given this
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pregame pep talk and getting them all fired up and
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amped up to go out there, and all of a sudden,
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one of his athletes yawns, and Tony said that went
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through the roof on this kid. We're out here trying
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to get ready for a football game, and you're over
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there yawning, and the kid, God bless him. Goes coach like, listen,
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I can't be that amped up. If I do, I'm
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not going to catch a football for you today. I
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just got to tone it down a little bit. And
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Tony shook his head and left the locker room. But
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he said he went out there and he watched the kid,
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and he played excellently, and then he started really thinking,
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you know, wow, okay, maybe there is something to this
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different level of intensity in each kid being different and
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yawning Actually is our body's natural reaction to try to
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increase the oxygen levels in our body, which then oxygen
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helps slow everything down, right, It helps us release muscle tension,
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it helps clear our mind. And this kid, that was
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his body's natural reaction to try to tone it down
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a little bit, get in his zone and execute. So again,
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as you start thinking about this in your own world,
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think about on a scale from one to ten, try
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to identify what is your number, right, and then and
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then get in your zone. One of the best ways
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to actually manage intensity. I'm gonna share about a brief
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story from coach Phil Jackson. Right, So, when coach Jackson
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was with the Bulls, they won all these titles back
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in the nineties. And then and then he goes out
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to the Lakers, and so the Lakers are excited, right,
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They're thinking, we about to get some bling because this
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coach he's got some secret sauce on offense or or
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some scheme on defense that we're going to be able
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to just really take it to the next level. And
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so coach Jackson is out there, you know, on practice
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for the first time, and he calls the guys over
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and so they all huddle around, you know, and they
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lean in and he's like, all right, gentlemen, I'm gonna
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share with you about why the Bulls were so successful
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for so long. And they lean in again, about to
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get the magic right, and he says they were successful
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because they knew how to breathe. And they're like, man,
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you've got to be breathing. We all do that on
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a normal basis, but the Bulls understood how to breathe
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properly and then use that breathing to help them stay
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in their zones. So a quick exercise that you can
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do to practice breathing. Put one hand on over your chest,
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one hand over your belly, and take three deep breaths
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and I want you to see which hand moves when
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you take those deep breaths. The majority of people tend
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to breathe through their chest, and so you'll see their
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shoulders go up or they're that hand that's on their
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chest move out. And actually proper way of breathing is
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belly breathing, right, or I like to call it tactical breathing.
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nose down into your belly. Your shoulders shouldn't even move,
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but your stomach should actually come out a little bit
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and then out through your mouth. So in through your nose,
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down into your belly, out through your mouth. And so
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what this does is your belly's not really expanding, but
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your lungs now they can expand more fully out under
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your rib cage and completely fill with oxygen. Again. That
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oxygen help release that muscle tension, helps slow our heart
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rate down, helps clear our minds. And these are all
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the things that if we start getting too aroused, too intense,
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right that belly breathing can help us dial it back,
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get back into our zone and be able to execute. Now,
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if you're listening to this right now and you're practicing,
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you're breathing, you might even yawn right, because right now,
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the probability of you being in a high intense state
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is low, so you're probably at a lower level anyways,
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sitting here listening, whether you're at your desk or perhaps
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if you're listening to us while you're working out, you
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are at a higher level. But again, so if you yawn, right,
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because if you're currently at a three or four while
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you're sitting at your desk, and then you start this
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belly breathe and now of a sudden, it's going to
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die you back to it too, and you're gonna maybe
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start getting tired. But in the heat of performance, right
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or pre performance, and you start feeling that that energy,
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that excitement, taking some of those deep breasts can again
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help pull us back into our zone. Now breathing on
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the other side can help us turn up also, and
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so tactical breathing is that slower breathing in through your
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no down into your belly, out through your mouth that
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can help dial us back. But a way to turn
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up right. I tell why I teach them our athletes
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and the workshops and trainings that I do. I give
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multiple strategies on how we can turn up if we're
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too low, and then turn back if we start getting
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too high. But the opposite breathing, which is called power breathing, right,
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that's in through your nose and then fast quick exhales
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through your mouth can help again increase heart rate, get
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some get the blood flowing a little bit, and help
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you turn up if you need to get a little
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higher and you're not really there yet. Because I just
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hate hearing now athletes and individuals say well, I just
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wasn't feeling it today. What does that mean that I
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don't have time for that?
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Right?
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The best of the best don't have time for not
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feeling right. We're not always gonna feel good, and yet
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we still have to show up and deliver.
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Quite frankly, I don't care how you feel, and I
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do I care about you as a person, right, But
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when it's time to deliver, it's time to deliver. And
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so if you just had a disheartening experience, if you
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just dropped a pass, or if your boss just yelled
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at you, or you just got an argument with your spouse,
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but you have something important to do, it's time for
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you to lock in, get in your zone, show up
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and deliver. And that's what the best of the best do.
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That is a championship mindset and understanding. These optimal intensity
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levels are a way for you to get in your
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zone and execute despite what's going on around or within you.
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And as a professional and any domain, as elite person
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in any domain, that's your job. Get in your zone,
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deliver and execute regardless of what's going on. And again,
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as we train our mind as we learn different tools
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and strategies throughout trainings that we do with our corporations,
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our teams, or our individuals, these people are learning how
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to do that on a more consistent basis and more
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nuanced ways to again get in that zone. But again,
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just for our listeners right now, start thinking about that
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breathing and understanding where am I at my where am
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I at my best from an optimal intensity level, and
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then how can I use breathing to help me get there.
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So in just a few seconds, we're gonna welcome pat
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Ivy onto the show, and again he's going to share
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his experiences with everything that we just talked about in
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terms of understanding how intensity is linked to performance, how
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finding our right zone is so important, and then using
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breathing to get there, and we're going to hear some
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personal stories from him with the athletes he's coached and
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the professionals that he's been around. So stay tuned and
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we're welcoming.
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Pat Here in just a second, right, all right, well.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is an absolute pleasure to welcome
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my friend, colleague and former professor that sat on my
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dissertation committee, doctor Pat Ivy. How are you, Pat?
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Good morning? How are you doing.
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I am doing excellent. Thank you so much for taking
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the time to join us today.
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Absolutely, it's my pleasure.
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So a little bit of background on doctor Pat Here.
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Former Division one college football player at the University of
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Missouri and then went on to play in the NFL
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for several years, then got back into the strength and
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conditioning world and had an incredible career where he was
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named twenty thirteen Strengthened Conditioning Coach of the Year. And
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you know that what I love about you is just
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your drive, you know, to be awesome at everything you do.
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And so you know, once you really mastered the craft
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of strength and conditioning, Pat went back and actually got
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his PhD in sports psychology under doctor Rick McGuire. So
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we were able to be trained under the man, the
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myth and the legend himself, Coach McGuire, and actually served
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as the Associate Athletic director over athletic performance at the
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University of Missouri for several years. And you know, I
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can tell our listeners that the comprehensive, integrated approach that
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Pat was really critical in developing within that athletic system
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is something impressive to see, but again just never quite satisfied.
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So he's currently the Assistant Vice Chancellor for Access and
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Leadership Development at the University of Missouri and so come
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and us today with a ton of different perspectives, including
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a husband and father of two beautiful little girls, and
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so Pat, I'm just really excited about, you know, learning
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and talking about building block number four intensity management with you,
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because I think that you're going to be able to
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give our listeners a really broad understanding of what this
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looks like in different domains. But to get us started,
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I want you to share with our listeners about the
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impact that this concept of intensity management had on the
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Missouri football program once your coaches started to get it
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and get this idea of arousal in performance or intensity right,
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and that's links to performance and how everyone's is actually
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unique and individually zoned to optimize their performance. Tell us
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about that, Well.
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We started as a staff first.
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You know, anytime you're introducing something to athletes, they're going
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to pick it apart. If you're not actually doing it,
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you have to know, you become hypocritical. So we've started
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with ourselves first as a staff, we wanted to make
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sure we understood what what intensity management was. We wanted
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to make sure that we understood what dialing it in meant.
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And before we before we started implementing with the with
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the team, we started with ourselves. We had to ask
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questions with ourselves and exactly what that what that means?
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Because if if.
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Your intensity is off, and with the athletes, they're going
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to say, well, you're teaching us about intensity management and
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your intensity is off. Like you can't show up at
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six o'clock in the morning and.
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Say, all right, guys, we got to work out today.
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No, you it's like in the morning, we have a
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worked out today and and you know, and vice versa.
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You know, if it's a hey, you know, guys, are
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calm down, pay attention, listen up, and you go in
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and yelling and screaming and you want them to calm
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down and pay attention.
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That doesn't quite work absolutely, you know.
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And on days when when you're testing out in the
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weight room, you know, if you're playing some Frank Sinatra,
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that's probably not gonna Matt intensity management, coach, you want
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us to try to get some prs here in the
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weight room, but you got Frank Sinatra that doesn't fit.
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Intensity management is off.
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So we needed to understand it ourselves first before we
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started implementing it with athletes. Once we started implementing it
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with athletes, we actually learned even more about it. I
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remember we had this starting cornerback and we were getting
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ready for two to twenty five rep test bench press test,
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and guys were getting worked up, they were getting jacked up,
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fired up, and he was doing the same and he
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actually performed worse. So the next week, yeah, So the
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next week he didn't do it. He didn't tell anybody,
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he didn't get fired he let everyone get fired up.
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He calmed himself down, way all the way down, and
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did the best he had done during.
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And he came to me and said, Coach, I think
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I learned something about myself. He said, when everybody else
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has to get jacked up to do their best. I
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think I do best when I'm just calm. It seemed
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like I get more reps when I'm calm.
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Absolutely, and Pat, I mean, you really hit it on
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the head there. We've got to really challenge our kids
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to experiment with this, right because you know, I wish
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I knew this as a soccer player, because when I
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was little, if we're looking at this on a scale
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of one to ten, I for sure thought I was
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like a ten, right, and I'd get amped up and
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jacked up to go play. And it really wasn't until
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my junior year of high school that I figured out,
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you know, you're probably better at like a seven to
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a seven and a half. And if you could really
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tone that back a little bit, that intensity, you're going
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to be able to focus better, execute better, see the
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field better, all of these things. And so you know,
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particularly in our in our intensity sports like that, some
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of our athletes do perform better lower Can you give
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our listeners sort of a visual if they were in
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the weight room that day, what would have they have
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seen this young man maybe doing to get himself in
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that lower zone.
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before he leaned back, and he would he just put
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his head down.
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He had his eyes closed.
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is pumping, and he seemed to block everything out. You know,
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his teammates were there encouraging him, calling his name, but
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he seemed to just control his breathing. I saw him
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taking some deep breaths and he had his head down
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and his eyes closed. And then when he was ready,
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he just leaned back. He opened his eyes up and
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you could just see he was just in this calm state.
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got to get jacked up to do that this yeah,
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or a record here. And you know, of course, because
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for me, that works when when I was an athlete
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or when I when I still lift, I had the
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ability to get to different zones that I could go
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very high on the intensity and perform well. And and
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actually to perform well, I needed to get.
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To that level. And it just taught me.
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a staff meeting, a deeper session, said we talked about Carl.
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Carl was his name. Here's what happened with.
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Carl today, Carl actually calmed himself down and did better
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and thought that that may work better for him. And
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but but it wasn't just about the weight room, because
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he said, maybe I'm that way.
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In other areas. Interesting, maybe I'm that way on game day.
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Maybe maybe I should focus on being more uh more
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calm and just and just kind of withdraw and not
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pay attention to what's going on around me and let
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the environment take me take me away?
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What impact did that have on your staff? So when
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you guys walked away from that meeting, what mindset shift
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had happened in and everyone in that.
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Room, Well, we started thinking about, well what about us?
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What about when? What am I? When? Am I better?
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Am I better? In different situations? I'll give you an example.
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One of my hobbies is racing motorcycles. And one of
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my assistants, strength and conditioning coaches, he used to go
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he would be my pit my pit guy. Okay, And
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before the race, I was using intensity management because it's intense.
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I mean, you're going over one hundred and forty fifty
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miles an hour and a quarter mile. It's just you know,
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I've got this drag bike and got ncress on it is,
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and it's intense. Everybody's watching the grint lights are yellow, yellow, yellow, green.
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And I came back and.
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I'm getting myself calm and trying to get in my
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zone so I can focus and react to the lights
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and hit my shift points. And my assistant goes, hey,
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are you using that stuff, the stuff that we're teaching
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the athletes? And I go, yeah, yeah, I am. He goes,
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I knew it. I can tell, and I didn't realize it,
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but I was. And he recognized it because that's what
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we had been teaching the athletes, but it's something that
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we realized we were starting to implement in our own lives.
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But they recognized that too, and they respected that.
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So I think you also touched on something that I
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want you to elaborate a little on, because this is
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one of the biggest challenges, right, is that a lot
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of coaches, a lot of business executive leaders tend to
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be higher energy, high intensity, sometimes a little bit type A,
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and so therefore think that the same thing that works
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for them. Oftentimes, again, this higher level intensity is what
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works for everybody, particularly in an environment like football. Have
518
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been around a lot of coaching stabs and a lot
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of locker rooms and on a lot of fields where
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this tends to be the prevalent idea of the higher
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the better. And tell me your experience with that, pat
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as a man, as a director of strength and conditioning
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in the football world, as both an athlete and a coach.
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All right, Well, so we were implementing this with the
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football team all summer. Okay, The players were practicing it
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in practice. So once we got to training camp, the
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players were practicing, but the coaches had not been exposed.
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The football coaches hadn't been exposed to it yet because
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we implemented it in the summer and they're not really
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allowed to be around very much in the summer. So
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their first exposure, the football coach's exposure was first game, okay,
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and I noticed something that was different that I think
533
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drove our coaches nuts.
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Drove because the locker room looked different.
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Interesting.
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What happened was kickers used to be they would be
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influenced by the defensive lineman. You know, defensive linemen they're
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head button head but each other head button the wall,
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and offensive linemen they're doing what they do. Quarterbacks are
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kind of, you know, more cerebral, just you know, kind
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of focused on the executing the game plan. The x's
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and o's and the kickers. Uh, they looked more like golfers.
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Yeah, pregame.
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And so we had this locker room with this wide
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range of guys that have been practicing how to get
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to the right level individually, because everybody's different. Everybody's different
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for a different task on a different day, with a
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different set of circumstances. Your level of a arousal or
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intensity management, your level of intensity needs to be dialed
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in for that task that you're doing that time.
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And I was nervous. I was nervous.
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Tell us, so tell tell our listeners though, what that
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locker room look like before these guys learned that.
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Oh well, it's I think what happened.
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What happens is you have to convince your teammates that
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you're actually ready. You know, you're fired up as a
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big game, first game. So I'm fired up. So I'm
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gonna do something a little bit out of character. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna maybe say something or I may I'm
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listening to some music that maybe you know that's that's
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really taken me out of my zone and where I'm
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probably gonna my performance is going to be decreased, but
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we're there. Was people would put on a show for
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each other god to get their teammates to help themselves
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and their teammates feel that they were ready to go
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out here.
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And play okay.
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And so now you have a wide range. We had.
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We had some guys.
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One one tight end that uh, he's still playing in
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the NFL, I believe, but he used to go to
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sleep in his locker before the game. And I've seen
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it before. I played in the locker room with Barry Sanders.
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Barry Sanders would be sleep in the locker room. I
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don't understand how we're getting ready to play a football
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game and you have you brought your pillow and it's
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literally brought your pillow and you're in your locker sleep.
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And this guy was an All American player and he
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did he did what he needed to do. But the
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impact is your teammates around you give you space for
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you to get ready and you don't have to posture
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for each other or pretend or make up this false
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scenario that I'm ready to play this game. No, we've
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all been trained how to dial it in. We've all
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been practicing how to dial it in. We all know
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how what works for us, and lets everybody get themselves ready.
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That's accountability. We know everybody's getting themselves ready to play.
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That's the definition.
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That's absolutely right. Accountability is doing the right thing and
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the right ways when you're supposed to do it. And
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the thing that I've seen with my athletes as well
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and even my coaches, is that this just increases their
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sense of personal responsibility. Right like, now it's not well,
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I wasn't feeling it today, or I don't know, man,
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I just I didn't have it, or I got it
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was too much, that the pressure was too much, or
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the environment was too much. It just got too amped up.
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And so no, now they're equipped, right, and they have
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the sense of like, Okay, no, I know what my
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zone is and this is about me and me getting
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in that to perform my best today. And so when
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every individual starts to do that and we start to
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have trust that every individual on our team is doing that,
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now it looks a little bit differently, but there's a
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greater sense of personal responsibility, increase accountability, and that translates
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translates to w at the end of the day, tell me,
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tell me your coaches reactions as they started to see
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this happening.
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Well, I was reading their body language, and I was like,
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we don't need the coaches projecting their nervousness if they're nervous,
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because I was, and I'm thinking like, well, I think
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I know what they're doing, but I'm not for sure,
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and I need to make sure that I'm not looking
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nervous in front of them, because athletes will look at
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their coaches and get that feedback from just body language,
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and you know, I just I just remember reassuring the
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coaches like they're ready, they're gonna, They're ready, They're they're
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they're getting themselves dialed in, and uh, coaches kind of
619
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look at me like, how.
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Do you know they're getting themselves out. We've been practicing it.
621
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We've been they've been practicing how to get themselves dialed in.
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So and that's what we saw.
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We saw and the feedback that we got the day
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after the game was incredible. So what what I thought
625
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we were seeing is what we that's what they were doing.
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What feedback did you get shared with our listeners?
627
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Just well, some guys thought that they weren't in their zone.
628
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They need to use some different breathing techniques to get
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themselves in their zone, so whether that was up or down.
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Some realized that they needed to actually get physically stretched
631
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out and then they could stretch themselves out and get
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themselves ready. So some of it was physical, some of
633
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it was physiological, some of it was mental. Some people
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talked about different soundtracks or that they would listen to
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in their headphones. If they realized that they were too
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their respiratory rate, they were breathing too hard, they would
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they would play some more calming music and get themselves
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back down to where they need to be. Some people said,
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I need to get myself jacked up. I'm feeling it.
640
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I can get myself jacked up ready to go and
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put on some music that's more up tempo, more upbeat.
642
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Yep.
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And yes, did you did your coaches have to make
644
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an adjustment in how they approach pregame because of that?
645
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Did you see any shifts with them at all?
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I believe.
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I think that the adjustment they made was just kind
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of backing away because coaches tend to want to make
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sure that the players are ready to play. They know
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they prepared it all week and we practice all week.
651
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They want to make sure that they're ready. And once
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they realized that these the players had some tools and
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some skills that they didn't have before, they gave the
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players room on pre game to get themselves ready because
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I think everyone had more confidence in being ready to play.
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The coach, Yes, awesome.
657
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.159
So we've talked about this intensity management as it relates
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to pregame right and getting in your optimal zone, really
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finding out what that is and navigating that practicing it
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right so that it becomes something that you can do
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on command. Now let's talk about it in mid game. Okay,
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mid performance. We're playing. We're going we have a great play,
663
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all right, we're so excited, we're all amped up. Just
664
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caught a touchdown in the back of the end zone
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to put us ahead. Or let's say we just dropped
666
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a pass and so now our arousal goes the other direction.
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00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.960
Tell me how you started training and conditioning your guys
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to mentally manage that intensity throughout the course of a
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game and the highs and lows that invariably exist in performance.
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What we taught them how to park it and refocus. Okay,
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that and park it and refocus means whether it's good
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or bad. It's you have to get ready for the
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next place. So you park what happened until it's the
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appropriate time to go back and get it. So the
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appropriate time time might be at halftime, it might be
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the court, it might be at the end of that series,
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when you're on the sideline and you can talk with
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your teammates and coaches about what just happened. But when
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you're out there on the field first down, second down,
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third down, you have to let what just happened go
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and get to the next place. So we told them
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they have five seconds to uh, to think about what
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just happened, and then they have to move on. So
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you get five seconds. Good about so you caught a touchdown,
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you get five seconds, then move on. You drop the pass,
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someone caught a touchdown on you, Uh, you gave up
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a sack, whatever it is. You've got five seconds. So
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whatever you need to say, do and uh with with
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with reason and under with some level of control. You've
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got five seconds. And we would the players would help themselves.
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Hey parket refocused, Hey let it go. Well, we also
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noticed that the players with hey, coach park it refocused.
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So you have to be ready for that.
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You have to be ready, because you're an example if
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if if you're losing it and and they need to
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get ready for the next play, and you're still yelling
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at them from the sideline, it's like, coach PARKT.
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Refocus, I got to get ready for the next play.
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That place done. It doesn't mean that we forget about it.
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It just means it's not going to help me right
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now on this play unless it's an adjustment I can
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make really quick, right And yes.
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So, and what impact did you see on performance because
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of that? It's because I think that's the that's the
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critical part, right that we start to see that that
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training our minds, training our emotions and being able to
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manage that intensity level has an impact on performance. So
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what did you notice as a result of this PARKT
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and refocus conditioning that you went through.
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I believe an increased level of concentration because allowing those
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bad plays, exceptional plays to linger was a distraction, a
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distraction to the next play. It just it helped with
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the concentration. It helped with guys being able to we
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called it from the whistle to the snap. They had
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the ability to reactivate and then refocus and then reactivate
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to be ready for that next place so they can
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get back in their zone. They would be able to
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make whatever Chex's adjustments that need they needed to make,
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and they had more time to get that done. If
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you're not thinking about what what happened on the last play.
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Awesome, I love it.
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Now.
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Let's so. So you made a comment earlier that is
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great sports psyche lingo that we learn in sports psychology,
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but then we often share with our coaches and athletes,
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and I want you to to think about it in
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your own world. So you said, you know, for a
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given person on a given day, with a given set
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of circumstances, there's a given level of arousal that is
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going to lead to optimal performance. And so that's that's
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again Hannon's theory of individual zones of optimal functioning, right.
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And again, different people, different tasks, different situations require a
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different level of that intensity to execute. So take us
734
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into your own life a little bit and and maybe
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share a story or two about when you were in
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your optimal zone and maybe what different zones are required
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for you as a player, as a coach, or as
738
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a husband, father, And now you know, Vice Chancellor, what
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are some differences that you've experienced personally in those different domains,
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and perhaps how have you managed those.
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You know, I'll give an example of a player that
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was much better than me. I was with the San
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Diego Chargers and Junior Seau was on the sideline and
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I was standing next to him. I was a rookie.
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It was my first Mini camp and I was used
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to arriving on the practice field. You're one hundred percent focus,
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your intensity level. It must be at the highest and
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the best the entire practice, and probably halfway through practice
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my intensity. It's a struggle to keep the intensity I
750
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needed to keep because typically the most intense part of
751
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practices is to war at the end.
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And I noticed something.
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About Junior sale He was laughing, joking, having fun on
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the sideline, and as soon as they called one defense,
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he snapped his helmet and it was like a switch
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was flipped and I couldn't believe it. I said, there
757
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is no way how do you go from having just
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fun and being relaxed on the sideline like that. You
759
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can't go in there and then perform. You you're gonna
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mess up, You're gonna you're gonna blow in the signon
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or something that's not what I learned after that first
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mini camp of watching Junior saou He. I never saw
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anyone flip a switch so fast. That's awesome and to
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be to be deactivated, and it was. It was really
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I think him snapping his helmet was a trigger for
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him to intensity focus, uh, intensity management, getting the zone.
767
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And as soon as he came back on the sideline,
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undid his chin strap and he was this guy who
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had all the jokes, funny guy, and I thought, Wow,
770
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I got it.
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I have to learn how to do that.
772
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Yeah, that shift is powerful, and like you said, I
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love those little triggers right that we can put into
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the course of our performance. Again, whether that's on a
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football field or on an ice rink or in a
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corporate setting, you know, how how do we switch and
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lock in? So when I was at Miszoo with Pat,
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I would go to their morning workouts, what was at
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five thirty or six am start, and so one thing
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I noticed actually was so these groups were mixed right
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from freshmen to seniors. And one thing I noticed is
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Pat and his staff would would go out on the
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field at five thirty or six am and they'd be
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all lamped up, all intents jumping around, you know, enthusiasm, right,
785
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Stone's yelling enthusiasm, and everyone's jumping around and getting getting up,
786
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getting up for practice, and then all of a sudden
787
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it'd be like locked in and focused and you'd give
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00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.760
them a quick message on you know, what the objectives
789
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.639
were for the day and what the next step was.
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And I just noticed that the seniors they're up there,
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up there, up there, up and as soon as you shift, boom,
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they're locked in and shift. The little freshmen are like
793
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they're still sort of jumping around, and then they're looking
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around like, wait, what what's happening? How do we go
795
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from happy and jumping to like really serious And so again,
796
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that just goes to show that this is a conditioned
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thing that we can train our mind and our arous
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and our intensity and our emotions to switch like that,
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and when we do right, we're able to conserve that energy.
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And so pat, like you mentioned, you're able to get
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through practice for the entire duration of practice, and everybody's
802
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.239
is going to look a little bit different. Junior. You know,
803
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with someone that that had that humor right, that that
804
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.400
he could use that to to create a space that
805
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he needed to be in I'm not a humorous person necessarily,
806
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but you know, how could how can I adjust and
807
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adapt to have those switch and to be able to
808
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.719
lock in And again the importance of training this because
809
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.480
we can see just in those freshmen to seniors the
810
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.000
difference in their ability to make those shifts, in those adjustments.
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Talk to us about how your optimal zone looks in
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your role now as an assistant vice chancellor versus when
813
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you were the director of athletic performance.
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Perhaps, well, I'm still working on that, fair enough. This morning,
815
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this morning I had it was interesting. I didn't know
816
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which gym.
817
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I have the ability to go to different gyms and
818
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.239
work out, and there was going to be a big
819
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squad day for me. I was going to hit a
820
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significant amount of weight, probably close to about five hundred pounds.
821
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And I went to one gym and got an invite
822
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to go to another gym. So this was at six
823
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o'clock this morning, and I packed up my bag, I
824
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:46.960
got to go warm up, and I thought, well, I'm
825
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going to go to this other gym. So I deactivated,
826
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packed up, got in my truck, drove to the other gym,
827
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and dial right back in and finished up with five
828
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five hundred for one at a below parallel box squad.
829
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Wow, you know.
830
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And and then after that I left that, I came home,
831
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I cooked breakfast, and now I'm sitting doing a webinar.
832
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And and then when I'm done with it with this,
833
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I'm going to uh put on a suit, and then
834
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:19.920
I'm going to go into work and I'm going to
835
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have meetings with other people on campus. So it having
836
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.400
the ability to have to turn the switch on or
837
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:33.920
off or adjust the switch is something that I constantly
838
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.920
use because you can't you can't go into those meetings
839
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with the intensity it takes to the squad big weight.
840
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.000
That's not a good idea, not a good idea, not
841
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:45.679
at all.
842
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.119
Right, And so, but but here's the other thing that
843
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.760
I think I really want to encourage our listeners to
844
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.559
consider is is a lot of what I heard in
845
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.039
there too or there's moments of transition, right, And so
846
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.840
I think that if we can learn to optimize our
847
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.559
transitions between you know, whether you're lifting and then you know,
848
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.480
doing an interview and then going into a corporate setting,
849
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.239
what do we do between each of those moments, and
850
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.800
how can we use transition periods as times to like
851
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.159
you said, deactivate and reactivate. And if we're intentional about that, now,
852
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.400
all of a sudden, we're going to increase our efficiency, right,
853
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.599
increase our ability to get things done, to connect with
854
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.719
people on very different levels, in very different spaces, and
855
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.159
in all in zones of optimal functioning, right, of intensities
856
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.440
that match the moment, that match the task, that match
857
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.800
the people that were around, and ultimately are going to
858
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.079
help lead us to optimal performance, both for ourselves and
859
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.920
those with whom we get to interact. How about how
860
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.000
about does a dad, what does that look like for you?
861
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.280
What would you say your optimal intensity is when when
862
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:47.639
you're with the girls.
863
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:54.559
Oh yeah, I'm wrapped around their fingers.
864
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.280
So whatever they want and that's where dad's going to get.
865
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.880
Yeah, it's different. I think it's interesting.
866
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.239
You know, my daughters are twelve and fourteen, and they've
867
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.559
they've come to work with me before. And I remember,
868
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.719
I think a few summers ago, right in the middle
869
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.920
of the football field my oldest daughters think she was
870
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.679
twelve at the time, and I needed to get some
871
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.519
some of the football players' attentions that were way across
872
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:26.119
the field and I when I when I opened my mouth.
873
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.559
She must have jumped the foot off of the ground
874
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.000
because she wasn't used to that. She wasn't that's that's
875
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:38.159
I don't bring that home right right? And uh, you know,
876
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.079
I thought that was hilarious because you can't. That level
877
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.199
of intensity is something you don't need to bring home.
878
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.480
It's you know, and I.
879
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:53.119
Think sometimes people may struggle with that, you know, not
880
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.039
knowing how to turn it off. How do I turn
881
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.440
I need to be intense tomorrow, So when I go home,
882
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.159
how do I turn it off? Because I may not
883
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:03.599
be able to turn it back on the way I
884
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:09.519
need to the next day. And the level that that
885
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.559
hurts you, you can't be You have to be confident
886
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.280
that you can do it. So you have to practice it.
887
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.559
You have to practice it. May be you know, I
888
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:20.400
would listen to jazz music, and I wouldn't listen to
889
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.000
jazz music any other time of the day, and I
890
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.400
don't usually listen to jazz music. But if I was
891
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:32.079
going home and I realized that I am still excited,
892
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.639
too excited, amped up, I'm too amped up. Turn on
893
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.599
some jazz music on the way home, and by the
894
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:40.559
time I get in the driveway, I'm right.
895
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.480
Where I need to be. So that's powerful.
896
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.119
And just like in the morning, if I needed to
897
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.079
listen to some gospel music or if I needed to
898
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.559
turn on some hip hop or whatever, I need it
899
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.599
to get into the zone.
900
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.119
And driving in at five five thirty in the morning,
901
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:55.840
that's what I did.
902
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.880
I would use music to get myself ready to perform
903
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:00.960
best as a coach.
904
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.719
And again that's powerful. There's been a ton of studies
905
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.800
done that show the impact of music on arousal levels
906
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.800
and intensity, and so you know, for listeners out there,
907
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.840
that's a great strategy. Those car rides home or to work,
908
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.599
you know, how are you using those wisely to get
909
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.599
into the right zone so that you can show up
910
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.000
and be your best, whether that's in the office or
911
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.639
at home with the wife and kids or you know, husband, kids,
912
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.000
and so excellent, excellent example, Pat, I really appreciate that.
913
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.079
And again, just coming from somebody who's so accomplished as
914
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.639
you and so many different domains, we really just appreciate
915
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.639
your time for being on here today. And again the
916
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.679
title the podcast is building Championship mindsets, and so our
917
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.280
hope is to really give our listeners the mindset right
918
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.599
or the patterned ways of thinking about these different elements
919
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.480
or about different things in life in general. The way
920
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.280
that a champion does right, the way that you have
921
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.760
in all of these different domains. So our final question,
922
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.039
if you would just share with our listeners, what is
923
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.000
your mindset on intensity management?
924
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:02.039
Wow?
925
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.840
There, My mindset is there's a given time, a give
926
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.840
for circumstance or situation. You need to learn how to
927
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.159
dial it in and to bring your best. You can
928
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.360
dial it in, but it takes practice, and whenever I'm
929
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.639
not there, I want people around me to be able
930
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:25.000
to help me, to recognize if I'm not where I
931
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.519
can be to help them and make the situation be
932
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.280
the best it can be.
933
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.199
Awesome. Well, thank you so much, and doctor pat Ivey
934
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.440
really appreciate your time and look forward to working with
935
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:36.320
you again very soon.
936
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.119
Okay, thank you very much.
937
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:47.400
Have a good day, have a wonderful day. You know,
938
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.480
it's always hitting honor and a pleasure to talk to Pat.
939
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.159
He and I had the chance to work together a
940
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.760
lot at Missouri and actually together created the McGuire Ivy
941
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.079
Latiner Model of Mental Toughness, and so that's been published
942
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.360
in Training and Condition, and we encourage you to check
943
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.360
that out. You can look for it online. There's an
944
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.039
online article again about how we built the model of
945
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.840
mental toughness, how we leveraged it in the athletic department
946
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.400
at the University of Missouri and really use that to
947
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:14.679
inform our thinking about how do we build mental toughness
948
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.880
in in our athletes. And so this for me, this
949
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.519
mental performance foundation, so Season one is a component of
950
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.960
building mental toughness in our athletes. And so that's going
951
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.199
to give you really an overview of how we conceptualize
952
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.400
mental toughness and how we build it in our student
953
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.639
athletes and specifically as we look at intensity management, that
954
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.800
fits within the model of mental toughness. And Pat also
955
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.960
actually publish a book that I encourage you to check out.
956
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.920
It's called Complete Conditioning for Football by Pat Ivy and
957
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:46.559
Josh Stoner, and so check that out on Amazon because
958
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.719
I think again that looks at this complete conditioning. And
959
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.519
as we talk about, you know, building the mental game,
960
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.960
we understand that that's in conjunction with the physical, technical, tactical,
961
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.679
other elements of performance. And so you know that's sport
962
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.840
or business. There's physical components to how we perform our jobs. Right,
963
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.159
there's technical aspects of how we perform our tasks at work.
964
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.000
There's tactical aspects or sort of tactics are really understanding
965
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.440
strategy and situation, and then the mental side of training.
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And so that complete conditioning for football is a look
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at how they developed that and sort of their model
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and approach to it. So again I just encourage you
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to check that out for him. He's an incredible mind,
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incredible experiences as an individual and someone that can really
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positively inform how you think about your role and for
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those specifically in the football world. Definitely a great resource
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to check out. So again, again thank you doctor pat
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Ivy for your time looking at building block number four
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intensity management, and so to leave you with your mindset training. Again,
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each episode we leave you with mindset training that you
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can do to start conditioning your mind. All I want
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you to start to do is practice getting into different
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zones of your optimal functioning for the different tasks that
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you have. I love how Pat referenced you know his
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job is different than his home life and understanding that
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his intensity and how he is and who he is
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in those different spaces needs to ebb and flow in
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accordance with with those that he's trying to bring his
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best self to is really important. And so think about
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what are the optimal zones that I need to be
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in and the different roles that I have, and then
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use those transition moments like Pat shared about his drives
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to get there, and start to use breathing as a
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mechanism to turn up or turn down, and like Pat,
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reference music works as well, and start to incorporate those
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elements to help you get in your zone, not only
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pre performance but also throughout the course of a performance.
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So again, thank you so much for your time. If
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you would jump on over to iTunes and rate and
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review us, we'd really appreciate that. Feel free to share
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in any social media that you have with your constituents
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and clients and followers that you think might find value
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in learning the championship mindsets that drive success. I've been
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your host, doctor Amber Lattner, and so from the locker
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room to the boardroom, I challenge you to continue building
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your championship mindset.