Brunch Boxing Special Edition: Gift in Giza, Floyd Sues Again, Shakur

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good
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night, wherever you are in the world. This is
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Brunch Boxing. I'm your host, Matt, with a very
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special edition of Brunch Boxing. Today was the
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Glory to Giza card in Egypt at the Giza Pyramids.
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You had Oleksandr Usyk versus Rico Verhoeven,
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the Dutch kickboxer. You also had Hamza Shiraz
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versus Alan Begich. You had Frank Sanchez versus
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Richard Torres. And then we also had Shakram
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Giasoff versus Jack Catterall. We're going to
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get all into it. We have a lot to get into today
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with the show. I do apologize for those who were
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expected to show this morning at 11 a .m. Unfortunately.
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Our fearless leader, the voice of brunch boxing,
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Ezra Boxen, he got himself into a little Larry
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David sweat in the soup situation. And Ezra is
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out of commission for the foreseeable future.
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He is definitely sick. Got the whole family sick.
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Got everybody sick. He will not be joining us
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for a very long time. Listen, prayers up for
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Ezra, all right? Let's hope he doesn't die from
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drinking that man's sweat, okay? Let's hope not.
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I don't understand. You guys didn't hear the
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story, so I'm going to tell you guys a story.
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Ezra went out to dinner, nice restaurant with
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his family or whatever, and his waiter, his waiter,
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was sweating profusely. Now, as a diner, you
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have two options in this situation. You tell
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them get you a new waiter or you get the fuck
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out of that restaurant. But Ezra, I don't know
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why his brain froze. He decided to not only stay
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there and eat with his family, but to keep the
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sweaty waiter. And a sweaty waiter dripped all
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in that man's food and he ate it. And he got
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violently sick the very next day. He's been sick
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all week. And guess what? He got the whole fucking
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family sick too. So now everybody's sick because
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this idiot ate another man's sweat. I've always
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known he was a little, hey, hey, hey, hey. Not
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that there's anything wrong with that. But to
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eat another man's sweat, man, that takes it to
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another level. And speaking of eating sweat,
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boxing fans were eating a lot of sweat today
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because we were three minutes away and a robbery
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away and a bad stoppage away. from having a novice
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Dutch washed -up kickboxer as boxing's heavyweight
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champion of the world. So I wanted to bring in
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someone who knows boxing, someone who's studied
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boxing, someone who is a boxing historian, someone
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who is the founder of their own sub -stack, The
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Corner Stool. Someone who's the former managing
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editor of Boxing Scene. Someone who's a member
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of the transnational boxing rankings board, the
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TBRB. Someone who is a member of the BWAA. Someone
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who is a member of the IBRO. One of the sharpest,
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greatest minds in all of boxing. And he's a great
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dad also. My guy, Cliff Rold. What's going on,
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brother? Hey, I wasn't even going to watch this.
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And then I got rained out of all sports tournaments
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this weekend. So I was like, well, might as well
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watch the Katerol -Giasov fight. I never thought
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the main event would turn into what it turned
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into. It ended up being a very good heavyweight
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fight. Or a very interesting heavyweight fight,
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I should say. What the fuck happened in there
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with Alexander Usyk? One thing I noticed before
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the fight, and I tweeted about this either earlier
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today or yesterday, I can't remember. Usyk was
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six pounds heavier than he's ever been. right?
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You're talking about a guy who, when he turned
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heavyweight, even when he fought Chisora, Chisora,
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whatever the hell, he was only weighing about
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217. So his last fight, he comes in around 227.
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Tonight, he came in at 233. And you could see
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it. His body was a little, not quite as tight
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as it usually is. And, you know, I mean, I think
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sometimes when you play stupid games, you win
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stupid prizes. Or if you don't, I mean, let me
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rattle off cliches. If you don't take an opponent
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seriously, serious. You have a serious opponent.
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He did not look prepared for what he ran into
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tonight, and it was an embarrassing performance
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for him. Usyk was a fighter that I think most
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people would agree was moving up in the echelon
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of all -time big men. I don't know what this
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performance does to him in the long run, but
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you're looking at a fighter with only 25 fights
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on his record, and he came perilously close to
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losing his title on points. I mean, there's no
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way Verhoeven was not ahead in that fight after
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10 rounds. Even with the knockdown in the 11th,
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he still should have had a lead on the cards.
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He won at least seven of the first 10 rounds.
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And it was an embarrassing night. I mean, he
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bailed himself out, got a little help from the
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referee at the end there. A lot of help. A lot
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of help. Look, do I think Rico probably gets
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knocked out in the 12th? Probably. He was gassed.
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I mean, that's a big man going 12 rounds. He
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doesn't fight this distance very often. But there
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was no reason to have that stoppage. If you look
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at the flurry, one or two of those punches got
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in. Verhoeven was cognizant of the referee. He
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had his hands up. He was still trying to defend.
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He was trying to slip. I mean, they stopped that
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fight the first chance they got. And we've seen
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that in boxing too many times. That man deserved
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to see the 12th round and find out what he could
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do or get knocked out. But the fact that it needed
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a late round knockout does not say much for Usyk's
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performance tonight. It was flat as a plate of
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piss. And it was in some ways as embarrassing
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as Fury and Ganu. At least this fight was entertaining.
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Fury and Ganu sucked. So that's my take on it.
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I don't think that this was a great advertisement
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for boxing. I really don't. This is our lineal
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heavyweight champion of the world. When this
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fight was announced and I made the decision to
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remove Alexander Usyk from the pound for pound
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list. I made that decision. I said, listen, this
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guy can no longer be on the brunch box of pound
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for pound list. And I was ridiculed. Oh, you
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can't do that. It's Alexander Usyk. Look what
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he's done, bro. When you have a fighter that
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start doing bullshit like this, you ain't got
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a fighter no more. So I knew to took him off
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the pound for pound list. And now I'm curious
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to see where everybody has him on their path
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of power list. Because you can't tell me that
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we just watch the best fighter in the world.
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You can't tell me that. Well, and let me throw
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this in too. I mean, I've generally been an advocate
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that I've never really thought he was the very
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best fighter in the world. I know some people
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get so excited when you beat big heavyweights.
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And I get that. Like, he's giving up 30, 40 pounds.
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Like, that's incredible. Except, you know. Tyson
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Fury, he's a good fighter, but he's a good heavyweight.
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Those skills don't necessarily translate to other
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weight classes all that well. Anthony Joshua
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would be a stiff in a lower weight class if he
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were a smaller guy. I mean, the speed does not
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translate. There are historical heavyweights
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whose speed is next level. Usyk is quick. He's
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not that level of speed. He's fighting bigger,
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slower opposition. That's one of the things that
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makes heavyweight interesting is you can see
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quicker, smaller guys beat big guys. It's happened
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for years. It doesn't mean that they can beat
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smaller guys as easy, right? Like Usyk's hardest
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fight before tonight was Myra Sprietis. It wasn't
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Fury or Joshua. Inouye and Crawford were always
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a different level of athlete than Usyk. It showed
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again tonight. And granted, Usyk's 39, so you've
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got to take that into account too. But they fought
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more. They're quicker. They fight in more well
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-rounded skills divisions. If you're into pound
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-for -pound stuff, he never really was number
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one. And it just showed again tonight. Can you
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imagine Crawford or Inouye struggling with a
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guy in their second pro fight? That's ridiculous.
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Yeah, yeah. And to say it's his second pro fight
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is being very generous because his only other
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pro fight was in 2014. In a four rounder. Yeah.
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And I mean, I don't care if he was a kickboxer
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and, you know, like kickboxing has a boxing foundation
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in it. That is not boxing. Troy Dorsey did not
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come in in his first fight and, and knock off
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who would have been the featherweight champion.
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Then, you know, Marco's not. whoever the hell
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it would have been back then. He didn't come
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in in his first fight and beat Jorge Paez. Vera
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Fulsa -Haprom, you know, he won a title in his
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fourth pro fight, but then he got knocked out
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immediately by Nana Conradu as soon as he was
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in with somebody that, you know, was a skilled
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boxer. It should take an adaptation period. You
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shouldn't be taking someone that before this
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fight was... In the conversation with the 10
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to 20 greatest heavyweights of all time, who
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does not have a tremendous amount of wear and
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tear on him, who looked sharp his last outing,
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you should not be taking that guy into the 11th
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round with a leap. It's crazy. Now, I wanted
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to bring in another guest. Not a guest. The voice
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of brunch boxing. But we may have to call him.
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The Michael Jordan of brunch boxing. Because
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he is here today. On his deathbed. Resurrected
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from sweat gate. This is his flu game. So I hope
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he brings the A game today. Brings the noise
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and the boys. My guy. The master of the walk
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and talk. The master of the sit and spit. The
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John Madden of boxing himself, the stash, Ezra
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boxing. What's going on, Ezra? What may be the
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reason why I'm sick? I mean, I don't know what's
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happening here. I got to tell you, every day
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for four days, my health has declined. It's declined.
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It's not gotten better. I think like, okay, I've
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seen the worst of it. And no, it's gotten worse
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every time. You ate another man's sweat. Please,
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put context to that, because that doesn't sound
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right when you say it just like that. Listen,
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for those of you who are wondering what happened
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to Ezra, I put the video on the big board. This
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is an exact reenactment of what happened to Ezra.
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And that is true. Please, turn your eyes to the
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big board. This is true, and I've been horrible.
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My health has been terrible ever since. But man,
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I got to tell you, listen, I keep saying these
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crossover fights have just been terrible for
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boxing. Terrible for boxing. But the sad part,
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and I agree with you, is that Rico should have
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been up, but on the scorecards, he wasn't. Through
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10, it was even. 5 -5. He should have been up,
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but he was going to get robbed either way going
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into that fight, especially with the knockdown.
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There was no chance he was going to win that
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fight. I don't like the stoppage, obviously.
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The guy has a... At least he's competitive, right?
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In your mind, he has to have a chance to finish
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it, go out on the shield. And the refs, I don't
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know what the hell he's doing. And these judges,
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I don't know what the hell they're doing. They're
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trying to protect the sport. And it's like, what's
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the point of even having these stupid crossover
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fights if the guy's not even allowed to win?
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If the guy's not even given a fair shake to win
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the fight, I don't understand. I thought Nagata
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was robbed. I think that Rico was going to be
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robbed in this fight. I do think that he's probably
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going to get stopped in the 12th, but you still
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got to let that play out. Do we know that? Yeah,
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not for sure, not for sure. But I think that
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he was pretty hurt. I think it was pretty hurt
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and pretty tired. But you gotta let him go. And
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I thought he had clearly, I thought he was seven
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rounds of three through 10. I thought seven rounds
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of three for sure. And you could make a case
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for eight rounds of two. You know what I mean?
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So I just. I don't know. Listen, the Usyk did
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not come in taking this fight seriously. That's
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what all these guys do when they take these fights
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for some weird reason. They all do the same mistake
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is they don't come and take it seriously. They
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come in flat. And then as soon as it's a little
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bit tougher than they thought, they can't get
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going. They got to figure it out. They got to
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try to find something. It's the same thing over
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again. It's the same formula for all the fights.
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You know what it is, Ezra? There is no flipping
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the switch in boxing. There's no flipping the
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switch. Either you're all the way in. Exactly,
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exactly. And it's so important about timing.
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And if you're not working your timing, then when
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you get in the ring, you're not going to be able
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to find it. And it's just like, what was that
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movie where it comes in all fat as a boxer? The
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Great White Hype. Yeah, Great White Hype, right?
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It's just that. He came in just not taking this
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serious. The guy shouldn't be in the ring with
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me. And he ends up a little bit tougher than
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what he thought. That's exactly what it is. You
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can see Usyk's face like, what's going on? Why
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am I having a hard time tonight? And that's exactly
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what it is. And I just see this over and over
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and over again. It's just the same performance.
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But it is what it is. I don't think a lot of
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people saw this tonight. So it's not like, oh,
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that hurt. This is a bad thing for boxing because
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I don't think a lot of people saw it. It was
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entertaining. I thought that I was about to see
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a massive upset. But as far as people respecting
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the sport or people saying, this sport is something.
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I think that every time something like this happens,
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it gets diminished more and more. Every time
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something like this happens, a kitten dies. Yes.
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Another kitten dies today. Listen, Usyk did not
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cover himself in glory. I don't want to see Usyk
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on any pound for pound list. I think all of this
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Usyk is a top 10 heavyweight conversation that
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is dead, over, done with, kaput. I don't want
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to hear any of that bullshit no more. And I'll
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go a step further. And credit to Cliff Rowe,
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because Cliff Rowe brought this up about a year
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ago. And it's just starting to catch wind. Don't
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think David Benavidez can't beat this guy. Do
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not think that David Benavidez cannot beat this
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guy. And honestly, this might be the best thing
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that's ever happened to Usyk's career. Because
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David Benavidez fight might be the most interesting
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thing in boxing now. I said that after he beat,
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what's his face? The kid from the UK too. So
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I'm not one of these people that jumped on the
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bandwagon at cruiserweight. I said - I said you
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said it. Yeah, no, no, no. If I gave you credit,
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man. I know you're giving me credit. I'm just
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saying that looked like potentially the fight.
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I don't think we'll ever get to it because they're
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going to stretch this out. If they can get the
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Cabell fight, they'll do that. Cabell is a live
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dog in that fight. He could very well win that
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fight. I think Cabell's going to beat him. He
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could. And if he gets by Cabell, it looks like
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they want to go do kickboxer too. So, you know,
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we'll see if we can ever get to it. Just so you
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guys know, Cabell fight not happening. You really
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think so? It's not happening. Usyk said in the
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ring after the fight, if Turkey this and that,
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Turkey jumped in when Rick was asking about the
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Cabell fight. Turkey jumped in and was like,
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no, no, it's too soon to talk about that. For
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some reason, it gave off we don't want that fight
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vibes. It gave off let's try to make another
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big pomp and circumstance fight and cash in on
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the end of Usyk. I don't think Turkey wants to
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see Usyk get beat. I think Turkey likes Usyk,
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and I think he wants to see Usyk go out with
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dignity. Because anyone who watched the fight
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tonight, this dude is washed. He's washed. Well,
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see, that's the thing, though, right? Here's
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the thing, though, is that the next fight Usyk
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comes into is going to be way more sharper than
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this fight. That's the thing. It's just honestly,
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I'm sure he's slowing down, but he just was not
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sharp because he didn't train for this fight.
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He didn't take it serious. That's just the case
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of it. He didn't take the fight seriously. So
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he'll be sharper next fight. It's kind of like
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when Fury fought Nagano and everybody said, oh,
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that's what Fury looks like against Nagano. Then
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in the Usyk fight, he's going to look terrible.
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And they did. He looked sharp. He looked sharp
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because he didn't take that fight serious. You
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almost got that. Huh? Yeah, I get that. But I'm
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saying, though, he looked a lot better in that
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fight than he did in the Conor fight. Cabell,
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though, I do think it's going to be too much
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for Usyk. If they were to fight, I think that
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Cabell will stop him. I think that Cabell is
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probably the best heavyweight in the world right
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now. And if Usyk made that mistake and stepped
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in with him, then that would be the right passing
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of the torch right there. You know, I just think,
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first of all, I want to talk to you, Cliff, about
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the historical aspect of this fight. Does this
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diminish Usyk as an all -time great heavyweight?
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For the moment. I mean, look, if he comes back
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and just shreds Cabell and, you know, like, let's
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say a year from now he bows out, he beats, you
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know, the next big thing in the Tama or some,
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I mean, history, history isn't written until
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it's written. You know, people will look at this
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as an anomaly in his career. He did have an amazing
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run at, in, in probably the best era of cruiserweights
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we've had. He, he beat. Two, and it's turning
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out to be three really pretty quality heavyweights
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in Fury, Joshua, and Dubois. You know, Annie
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39. So, you know, this is one of those things
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that will get tagged on, but it is a conversation
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piece when you're talking about a guy with 25
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fights. Because, you know, when you say that,
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well, you know, Ali struggled late in his career
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with, you know, later in his career with Jimmy
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Young. And he should have lost the third Norton
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fight. And he shit the bed against Leon Spinks.
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And that's all true. But Ali had like 50 fights
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before that. And he had three of them against
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Joe Frazier. And he had Foreman. And he had Liston.
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You know, the pool was deeper. He fought every
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contender that existed for a generation. Well,
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not only that, let's not compare this to Ali.
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Ali fought a real boxer. Well, I understand that.
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But what I'm saying is the things that happen
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late in your career can sometimes be discounted.
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But the depth of what you've done is a factor
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in that. And the depth of what Usyk has done
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is good, but it's not historically overwhelming
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in any sense. I mean, you know I track all this.
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I used the ring and TBRB ratings for different
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things. Coming into this fight, nine of his 24
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fights, it should have been 10. Tony Bell, you
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should have been ranked still. It was an anomaly.
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But 10 of 24 isn't overwhelming. Hold on just
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a second. But anyways, sorry, Gabby just interrupted
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me. She's going to see the Michael Jackson movie.
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Or did you have to give her a glove? No, but,
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you know, she had to let me know that there's
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company coming, so. Okay, okay. You can't just
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have people all in the house and nobody knows,
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so. Okay. All right. So, anyway, sorry I had
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to interrupt that, guys, to be dad for a second.
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But. But, yeah, so, I mean, I think, you know,
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this performance will not help him. If he comes
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back in his next fight and loses to Cabell, then
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you're looking at a heavyweight run of once -a
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-year fights outside of one year, and it dramatically
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changes the landscape of what he did. You can
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have a short heavyweight run and it really stand
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out, but it has to be damn near perfect. And
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tonight was a big imperfection, and that's going
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to count when you factor him in against history.
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Because the resume depth is just not what other
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great fighters have. And ragging on about, well,
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but he won nine million amateur fights. I don't
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give a flying fuck about that. Yeah, exactly.
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Now, usually in a preview, we would do tomorrow,
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today. But the fight is over today. What are
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people saying, Ezra? They're saying that... That
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boxing robbed another guy that came over and
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that the gap isn't that wide from these top guys
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and other sports coming here and fighting the
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top boxers. And that's all they're saying. And
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they're saying, oh, boxing's crooked. They protected
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another one of their guys. And all those things,
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all those negative things that those bad stereotypes
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of boxing has, they're just getting pushed on
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a little bit more today. I gotta tell you, I
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kinda like that. Good, stay the fuck out of sport
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then. Maybe it will discourage people from coming
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in the sport. Stay out of my sport. Listen, and
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this is the second time Turkey Al -Sheikh has
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done this, by the way. This has all been Turkey
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Al -Sheikh. Maybe, maybe, just maybe, we can
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motivate Turkey Al -Sheikh to get into actual
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boxing. Enough with the sideshows. Enough with
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the bullshit. Let's get straight, raw, uncut,
00:23:15.069 --> 00:23:21.009
unfiltered, unadulterated boxing. Boxing. You
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know, because if that was Ajit Khabib against
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Usyk tonight, are we looking at another heavyweight
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champion? Or does Usyk get up for the fight?
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You know? Is Usyk in shape for the fight? Is
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Usyk working for his time instead of fucking...
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Acting like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger
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with fucking Anthony Joshua, you know? Instead
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of, I don't get it, man. I don't get it. This
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was not an indictment on boxing. This was an
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indictment on Oleksandr Usyk. Because I hate
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when we say, oh, boxing, boxing. No, no. This
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was that motherfucker Oleksandr Usyk. To me,
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.180
this takes Usyk out of any all -time conversation.
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I don't want to hear him at any all -time conversation.
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It's not an indictment on boxing. It's an indictment
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on the man. Just like what happened with Ngannou
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and Fury was an indictment on Tyson Fury. You
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just remove yourself from all all -time conversations.
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And that's just the way it's got to be. But tonight
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didn't hurt. I mean, tonight didn't. I don't
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know. Tonight's not going to stray Turkey away
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from doing this because of anything. This was
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a success in his eyes. You say, oh, that was
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a great fight. So this guy, these guys definitely
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can't hang in here. And he even brought up the
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rematch. They're going to do a rematch after,
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you know, whenever that's going to happen. But
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that's what I'm saying. Like, this didn't deter
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that. This didn't stop, get him to think, oh,
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we shouldn't do these anymore. It's going to
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be like anything. He's going to be like, I was
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right twice. I was right in the Nagano one. I
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was right in this one. Would you like to see?
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And you know what? Fuck my thought. A great comment
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from one of the Brunch Boxer listeners, Beat
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the Press. He said, Usyk tried to play boxing
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and got humbled. Don't take a tune up if you're
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not motivated. That is a great, great comment.
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Because we always say you don't play boxing.
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Whenever people do that, they try to make it
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seem about death and injuries. No, but in general,
00:25:35.859 --> 00:25:38.440
you don't play boxing. You're either all in or
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you're all out. And I said, hey, Usyk, I don't
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know what you're doing with your career, but
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you ain't on my pound for pound no more. And
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everyone got mad at me. Remember? Remember everyone
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.400
got mad at me, Ezra? I'm an idiot. I'm this,
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.440
I'm that. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Once
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:52.960
you start doing this, you're not a real boxer.
00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:59.710
Once... You start doing the bullshit. One foot
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in, one foot out. And you said, Ezra, and this
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was just last week, it's because of age. You
00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:10.289
said that, right? Mm -hmm. Do you still feel
00:26:10.289 --> 00:26:15.809
that way? That for Usyk, you're saying? Just
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in general. Because remember, anybody was talking
00:26:18.509 --> 00:26:23.250
about retiring and Tank is out here trying to
00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:27.900
fight Jake Paul. I'm like, bro. You can't take
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:31.440
these guys seriously when they start being wishy
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.539
-washy about boxing. This is not that kind of
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sport. It isn't that kind of sport. You're right.
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:39.500
And I do think there's a bad formula that we're
00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:41.619
doing that I think is going to, it's already
00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:44.019
been bad for boxing. But it's going to continue
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to be horrible for boxing if we keep this formula
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.319
up. This formula is once you reach the top, you
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.259
no longer have to fight real. you can kind of
00:26:54.259 --> 00:26:55.940
just do whatever you want and we start feeding
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you to MMA fighters or just nonsense fights.
00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:02.799
I think that that's a really horrible formula
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.400
because you get this, what we got tonight. And
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.140
now people in their mind think, well, Rico Rejuven
00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:11.259
is one of the best headweights in the world in
00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:14.579
boxing. So we made that guy a star instead of
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:18.700
a caballel. So then if you keep doing that, as
00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:21.000
guys get older and they get, like you said, less
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.069
hungry, less sharp. less motivated, well then
00:27:24.069 --> 00:27:26.369
how they might lose some of these fights. And
00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:28.329
at that point, it's not really good that when
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a guy reaches the top, as they're talking about
00:27:30.029 --> 00:27:32.049
this guy as the pound for pound number one, and
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he's not fighting Cabello, he's not fighting,
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I don't know, whoever the top guys are right
00:27:37.849 --> 00:27:39.890
now, Joseph Parker, whatever. He's not fighting
00:27:39.890 --> 00:27:41.910
those guys, but he fights this guy. Well, it's
00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:43.529
like, damn, you're catching the guy in the decline.
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That's why that guy has to go out putting someone
00:27:45.430 --> 00:27:48.210
else on top. If we go to keep fighting MMA fighters,
00:27:48.369 --> 00:27:50.549
kickboxers, all these things, once in a while,
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those guys are going to win. If you come in looking
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.740
as non -sharp, whatever that, and you just get
00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:56.559
caught and you get beat up or whatever happens,
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.660
well, I don't think that's a good formula for
00:27:58.660 --> 00:28:00.779
the sport going forward. And that's the formula
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.299
we're doing right now. Yeah, I agree. I agree.
00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:09.759
If you are running the career of Oleksandr Usyk,
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what is next for Oleksandr Usyk? Well, if I'm
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:16.660
running his career, I want to make money and
00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:18.220
protect him. I'm like, let's go for hooping number
00:28:18.220 --> 00:28:25.269
two. Take that bad boy and haul it. So that's
00:28:25.269 --> 00:28:30.549
what I'm saying. So listen, if he fights Verhoeven,
00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:33.390
number two, you got to relinquish all the belts.
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I'm sorry. That's what I'm saying. That's the
00:28:37.009 --> 00:28:38.730
flaw in the system that we have, though, right?
00:28:39.049 --> 00:28:41.049
If I'm running this guy's career and I get to
00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:43.420
decide whatever I want. Right? I'm not going
00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:45.440
to choose what's best for the sport. I'm not
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.720
going to choose what's best for boxing. I'm going
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.559
to choose what's best for me. And the best for
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.119
him now is he has this fight that people are
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.380
like, oh, I think you lost. I think you were
00:28:53.380 --> 00:28:54.660
going to lose the first one. It was a tough fight.
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.240
Right? And you know that I didn't even come in
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.019
sharp that fight. If I come in sharp, I can beat
00:28:59.019 --> 00:29:01.680
this guy. And then you so you come into that.
00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.799
You sell that rematch. It's another free payday,
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.940
which wasn't a free pay today. You had to earn
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:07.740
it. But I'm saying, though, you should be a free
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:10.559
payday. And that's what you do. But if the sport
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was running itself, then you put him in Caballero,
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.460
for sure, because that's the man that deserves
00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:23.839
it. Yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree. And for
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:32.339
those of you who picked the fight today on the
00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:35.000
new Brunch Box and Pick 'em Fight Picks app.
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:42.819
The scoreboard is updated, and we have a six
00:29:42.819 --> 00:29:47.819
-way tie for first place between Emily, Huey
00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:53.059
P., Mike, me, J -Ro, and Sean. And in second
00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:57.319
place, really seventh place, we have BoxRecGrey,
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.079
who was the closest to being right, if not for
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:06.819
a bad stoppage. He had Usyk by decision. So he
00:30:06.819 --> 00:30:08.440
was actually the closest because that should
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.720
have went to the cards. And we saw them score
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:15.200
cards. They were about to rob him anyway. The
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.539
winner of this Pick 'em Challenge at the end
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of the year will personally get $100 from me.
00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:25.680
I appreciate the donation, Ezra. You're welcome.
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:27.579
I'll send you my cash app right now so you can
00:30:27.579 --> 00:30:30.299
send that right over to me. I appreciate that.
00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:35.049
All right. I think we have... squeezed all the
00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:41.390
juice out of this Usyk situation. Let's get to
00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:47.529
the rest of the fights on the card. Ezra, you
00:30:47.529 --> 00:30:49.710
tell us where you want to start. I mean, we just
00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:53.490
go in order. I mean, Shiraz, he's fighting a
00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:57.430
guy that - A no -hoper. Yeah, a no -hoper. Yeah,
00:30:57.549 --> 00:30:58.809
he was, but he did what he was supposed to do
00:30:58.809 --> 00:31:00.710
to a no -hoper. And that dude's getting really
00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:02.890
sharp with that left hand. And that hook is serious,
00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:04.789
his power's serious at that weight. And I think
00:31:04.789 --> 00:31:08.390
he's going to be a problem at 168. I think he's
00:31:08.390 --> 00:31:12.329
a problem there. Well, he's a champion now. Let's
00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:17.890
be clear. Hamza Suraj is now the WBO super middleweight
00:31:17.890 --> 00:31:19.750
champion. So to think he's going to be a problem,
00:31:20.009 --> 00:31:22.349
I mean, he's a champion now. It's fine, he's
00:31:22.349 --> 00:31:24.470
got a belt. I mean, I don't think, like I said,
00:31:24.549 --> 00:31:27.519
who do you win it off of? But I think that people
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.759
wanted to sell the stock after the Domus fight.
00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:32.279
And I think there was little things out, you
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:33.740
know, I think he injured his hand in that fight.
00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:35.460
That's why it looked the way it did. But I think
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:38.640
this dude is going to look really sharp. I think
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.140
he's trouble for everyone in the weight class.
00:31:40.700 --> 00:31:43.180
And if Canelo does get past Mbili or whatever
00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:44.839
happens there, I hope he gets a winner of that
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.819
fight. Yeah, yeah, that would be very interesting.
00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:52.539
There's not really much to say for that fight.
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.920
Cliff, you got anything you want to add about
00:31:53.920 --> 00:32:00.289
Shiraz? Shiraz fought a stiff and he beat him.
00:32:00.730 --> 00:32:02.730
Shiraz has fought a bunch of stiffs and beat
00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:06.519
them. Edgar Belonga is a stiff too. So nothing
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.880
Hamza Shiraz has done has interested me yet.
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.700
The only good fighter he's actually fought was
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.279
Carlos Adamas, and Adamas kicked his ass and
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.539
got screwed with a draw. Wake me when this guy
00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:23.000
fights somebody with a pulse. He's an artificially
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.160
inflated puncher. Doesn't mean he's not good.
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.000
He's got some tools, but I haven't seen anything
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.079
out of this guy that impresses me. He looks good
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.160
against stiffs. So did Richard Torres before
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.230
today. Wake me when he fights real fighters and
00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.269
beats one. Because the only one he's fought kicked
00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:43.029
his ass. Yeah, and you know what? You brought
00:32:43.029 --> 00:32:46.990
it up. Let's go right there. Richard Torres finally
00:32:46.990 --> 00:32:50.609
fought someone for the pulse. And he got cut
00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:54.130
to hell. It's a short uppercut against Frank
00:32:54.130 --> 00:32:57.049
Sanchez. Frank Sanchez knocks out Richard Torres
00:32:57.049 --> 00:33:03.930
to become the IBF mandatory for Alexander Usyk.
00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:09.109
What were your thoughts on what we saw from Frank
00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:13.210
Sanchez versus Richard Torres, Ezra? You know,
00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:16.869
I thought that Torres was, you know, he looked
00:33:16.869 --> 00:33:18.690
to me like he was just kind of brawling his way
00:33:18.690 --> 00:33:20.329
through these guys that were just lower level
00:33:20.329 --> 00:33:22.309
competition. And he was just kind of, to me,
00:33:22.349 --> 00:33:25.630
just out having physical, he was just more physical
00:33:25.630 --> 00:33:26.930
ability than them, but I didn't think his game
00:33:26.930 --> 00:33:29.069
was developing. Then I would see little improvements,
00:33:29.150 --> 00:33:31.250
like he would get angles a little bit more, a
00:33:31.250 --> 00:33:33.440
little more movement. But it wasn't enough, and
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.559
I thought that his limitations as far as his
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.319
height, his arm reach and all that, I just never
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.119
thought at the highest level that he would be
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:41.740
able to do it, right? I just thought that he
00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:44.240
would come up short. I thought that maybe Frank
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.180
Sanchez was going to be damaged goods in this
00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:47.420
fight, though, and I thought maybe he's catching
00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:49.759
him at the right time. But Frank Sanchez, I could
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.700
see him getting the timing kind of early and
00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:54.759
just waiting on that shot that he could feel
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.160
like this guy's going to walk right into this.
00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:58.339
And that's exactly what came. He caught him.
00:33:58.979 --> 00:34:01.039
pinpoint and put him out. I did not think that
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.240
Torres had the ability and the physical makeup
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.819
to make it as a top heavyweight. I don't know.
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.380
I don't know. Maybe this was just a case of too
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:13.260
much too soon. There is something to be said
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:14.800
for development. I know you don't believe in
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.420
development, but clearly there's something to
00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:23.820
be said for it. I think what we saw today, and
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:25.820
I think we should have realized Frank Sanchez
00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:29.730
was going to be a problem today. He didn't show
00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:34.309
him any braces on his knees. His knees were free
00:34:34.309 --> 00:34:39.070
and clear. It looked very healthy. Yeah. So perhaps
00:34:39.070 --> 00:34:42.349
it really was just, I need to recover from this
00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:46.329
knee surgery. You know, he's been steadfast in
00:34:46.329 --> 00:34:50.610
his belief that he was compromised in the Cabell
00:34:50.610 --> 00:34:53.409
fight. He tore his knee. He wasn't the same.
00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:57.650
We've seen nothing since then to dispute that.
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.719
In fact, he's back in a position to fight for
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.840
another heavyweight title. So, you know, it is
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:13.559
what it is. What's next for Richard Torres? I
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.179
mean, you got to come back and bring him up slow.
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:16.599
You know what I mean? You got to come back and
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.219
build yourself up. You know, he did just start
00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:22.980
training with Bomek. So maybe even with that
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:24.840
training change, right, that corner change, maybe
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.809
they went too fast with it. But yeah, he's got
00:35:27.809 --> 00:35:33.570
to come back slowly and figure out some things
00:35:33.570 --> 00:35:35.730
with his game and figure some things out with
00:35:35.730 --> 00:35:39.769
the issues that he has that they can use their
00:35:39.769 --> 00:35:40.989
advantage with his speed and everything like
00:35:40.989 --> 00:35:43.610
that, but also not be so hittable or so predictable
00:35:43.610 --> 00:35:45.349
in which way he's going to enter, which way he's
00:35:45.349 --> 00:35:48.110
going to exit. Can I tell you what he should
00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:51.690
really do? What's that? Go back to the amateurs.
00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:58.119
Okay. All right. Just go be an Eastern European
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.719
or Eurasian and go beat up on the kids. I don't
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:08.179
think it gets better from here on out. Frank
00:36:08.179 --> 00:36:13.780
Sanchez, to me, good fighter, but he is the lowest
00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:17.559
level of heavyweight that you should be able
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.800
to beat to show that you're a contender. And
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:26.820
I think... I think what happened to Richard Torres
00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:32.400
is probably what Frank Warren saw. And they said,
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.739
hell no. We're not putting Ntama in with this
00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:39.539
guy yet. And it just is what it is, man. These
00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:44.239
guys are not quite ready. Frank Sanchez, we know
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.719
what's supposed to be next to him, a heavyweight
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.500
title shot. It's going to be a ways away. What
00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:53.000
do you do with Frank Sanchez in the meantime?
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.360
if you're a PBC and Samson Lukowicz, do you hold
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.320
him until he gets the shot or do you try to see
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.340
if you could build something with him and get
00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:07.460
back in the heavyweight business? I mean, you
00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:09.599
want to keep him active, so I think you keep
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.039
trying to get something with him while you're
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:20.659
waiting. Hmm. Interesting. Andy Ruiz? I was thinking
00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:26.530
that. Yeah. Honestly, Andy Ruiz, Jarrell Miller,
00:37:26.809 --> 00:37:29.590
something. They could do something with him.
00:37:31.070 --> 00:37:35.449
Like, who's the Frank Sanchez? Like, we were
00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:39.829
all really down on him and his career, just in
00:37:39.829 --> 00:37:43.010
general, because of that piss -poor performance
00:37:43.010 --> 00:37:49.369
against Caballel. But he's back. He's back, and
00:37:49.369 --> 00:37:51.969
now he's right where he wanted to be before.
00:37:53.009 --> 00:37:54.949
Is Frank Sanchez a future heavyweight champion?
00:37:57.250 --> 00:38:02.369
What? Is Frank Sanchez a future heavyweight champion?
00:38:05.489 --> 00:38:09.309
I think that if Frank Sanchez fought Dubois,
00:38:09.510 --> 00:38:13.289
I would consider him a shot in that fight. I
00:38:13.289 --> 00:38:15.250
think if he fought, I mean, we saw what happened
00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:17.710
against Cabell. We saw, I don't think he could
00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:21.449
beat Usyk. Well, this forum today is usually
00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:23.530
good, but like Usyk Sharpa, I don't think he
00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:27.670
could beat. So I think it just depends on the
00:38:27.670 --> 00:38:29.150
fights. But yeah, I think like the ball would
00:38:29.150 --> 00:38:31.190
be interesting, right? Payment of the ball. Did
00:38:31.190 --> 00:38:37.730
we see what happened? Yeah. That's what I said.
00:38:39.510 --> 00:38:42.550
I don't know if we did. Oh, can you say he's
00:38:42.550 --> 00:38:46.510
late? He was clearly injured in the fight. I
00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:48.969
get you, but. I don't know. I still don't think
00:38:48.969 --> 00:38:51.570
I'd like his chances in that fight. All right.
00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:54.670
I think it's interesting. And I think that's
00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:58.389
the fight they should make next. That's the fight
00:38:58.389 --> 00:39:00.130
they should make next. I think that might be
00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:02.389
the fight they're going to make next because
00:39:02.389 --> 00:39:05.809
Turkey wants to get that WBC interim away from
00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:08.989
him. You don't want that pressure on Usyk to
00:39:08.989 --> 00:39:16.840
fight him. Now, also on the card, Jack Catterall
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.920
beat Shock and Geosoft to become the WBA world
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.019
champion, regular champion. What were your thoughts
00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:26.460
on that matchup? Did that turn out the way you
00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:29.019
thought it was going to turn out? I thought Catterall
00:39:29.019 --> 00:39:30.539
would win. So, yeah, it looked kind of how I
00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:32.980
thought it was. It looked like how a good Catterall
00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:36.619
performance looks. You know, he's, like, at a
00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:39.380
certain level, you know what I mean? He could
00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:41.719
be at a certain level. A top -level IT will always
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.739
come up short, but I thought he looked sharp
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:47.719
today. What did you think about Shakam Giosof?
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:56.039
He's just a... He's just a guy. Nothing special,
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.460
right? Nothing special about him. He's just a
00:39:58.460 --> 00:40:04.719
guy. Just a guy. Shakam Giosof. He's just a guy.
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.400
The G in Giosof stands for guy. He's just a guy.
00:40:10.780 --> 00:40:12.500
What would you want to see next for both of these
00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:16.869
guys? Why did they make Rowley a super champion?
00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:25.630
Because Rowley asked for an exception and he
00:40:25.630 --> 00:40:30.150
was granted it. PBC wants a big fight for Rowley.
00:40:31.570 --> 00:40:33.190
They're trying to make a big fight for Rowley.
00:40:34.210 --> 00:40:37.269
So the WBA is not standing in the way of a big
00:40:37.269 --> 00:40:39.710
fight. But I get that. But so do they have a
00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:42.110
big fight in mind? Is there a big fight that
00:40:42.110 --> 00:40:43.570
they're close to? Like, I don't get it. They
00:40:43.570 --> 00:40:47.090
asked for. Just that holds for a big fight? Stay
00:40:47.090 --> 00:40:50.829
tuned. Okay. Is that how it works? I'm just curious.
00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:52.210
I'm just curious. Do you think that they'll have
00:40:52.210 --> 00:40:56.309
them in place? Stay tuned. I don't know what
00:40:56.309 --> 00:40:59.349
they have in place. Stay tuned. What makes you
00:40:59.349 --> 00:41:01.110
think I know? Trying to accuse me of something?
00:41:01.809 --> 00:41:06.969
No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is, how do these
00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:08.769
belts work when they grant an acceptance? I thought
00:41:08.769 --> 00:41:12.710
you had to have something in place. Maybe they
00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:17.789
don't. I don't know. We'll stay tuned. All right.
00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:22.150
If anybody wants to talk about the card, I will
00:41:22.150 --> 00:41:24.010
open up the floor to you guys right now briefly
00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:27.230
before I reclose the floor. Feel free to send
00:41:27.230 --> 00:41:30.469
a request. You can talk about the card briefly,
00:41:30.590 --> 00:41:34.289
but then we got to get into the rest of today's
00:41:34.289 --> 00:41:40.289
show. First, we're going to add from Parts Unknown.
00:41:41.929 --> 00:41:44.429
My guy, Octagon Blog. What's going on, Octagon?
00:41:44.710 --> 00:41:52.190
You're on Brunch Boxing. Matt, how are you? Great.
00:41:52.329 --> 00:41:56.929
What do you got for us today? Yeah, so we spoke
00:41:56.929 --> 00:42:01.889
about the fight between Alexander Usyk and Rico
00:42:01.889 --> 00:42:08.130
before. Well, Rico lost and he was, well, falling
00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:12.260
short two rounds. But he was ahead according
00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:16.559
to Ring Magazine. Well, the second fight will
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.579
happen away from Saudi Arabia or Egypt. It will
00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:26.320
be in Europe. Probably, according to European
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.059
media, Caballel will not get in a fight with
00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:37.099
Ilseg. That's the news now. If you look at foreign
00:42:37.099 --> 00:42:42.980
websites, probably... Turkey will want to see
00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:47.059
a second fight between Rico and Usyk because,
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.639
well, all the politics keep going. And you're
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.119
totally right. You have to strip Usyk from the
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.619
all -time discussion of, you know, being the
00:42:57.619 --> 00:43:02.519
GOAT, etc., etc. This is going into the wrong
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.539
direction if it comes to boxing as a sport and
00:43:05.539 --> 00:43:09.349
credibility, etc., etc. That's what I'm going
00:43:09.349 --> 00:43:13.269
to say in all the emotions in the last 45 minutes.
00:43:13.889 --> 00:43:17.230
Now, one thing I do want to point out, Actagon,
00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:23.650
you and I, we talk very often. And when this
00:43:23.650 --> 00:43:28.289
fight was announced, you told me that Rico was
00:43:28.289 --> 00:43:29.809
going to win this fight. Do you remember that?
00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:34.530
Yes. I think you might have been on to something.
00:43:35.670 --> 00:43:38.000
Yes. I think you might have been on to something
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.260
because it took the judges and the referee to
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:48.219
take that fight from Rico Verhoeven today. Yeah,
00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:52.579
it's, you know, you have so much knowledge, you
00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:55.420
as and a lot of people who are on this space
00:43:55.420 --> 00:43:58.480
for quite some time, Yui and J -Bro and all those
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:03.039
folks. Boxing, you know, need to be, you know.
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.579
get rid of a lot of dirty people in the sport,
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.420
you know, because those folks are destroying
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:13.159
boxing. And we all know about Turkey, his position
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.760
in Saudi Arabia. It doesn't help boxing, Matt.
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.280
I read all your articles. I respect all of you.
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.800
But if you respect the sport, you know, we have
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.360
to clean up the sport, you know, because it's
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.360
going into the wrong direction. It continues.
00:44:32.380 --> 00:44:36.440
Yeah. Yeah, well, today was not exactly a great
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:42.679
advertisement for the legitimacy of the sport.
00:44:44.739 --> 00:44:48.900
Ezra, you have anything else on this call before
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:56.940
we move on? What's that? Do you have anything
00:44:56.940 --> 00:45:00.980
else on this call before we move on? No, that's
00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:07.389
it. All right. Floyd Money Mayweather is suing
00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:12.150
his former business partner. I forgot his name
00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:16.570
already. Jonah Herschwitz. I don't know. Some
00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:22.289
guy. For $175 million. He says that he robbed
00:45:22.289 --> 00:45:26.570
him, stole his jet. Has Floyd finally found a
00:45:26.570 --> 00:45:32.150
real culprit who took his money? Maybe. Stealing
00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:35.329
his jet is pretty crazy. It's like to steal someone's
00:45:35.329 --> 00:45:37.969
jet. How does that happen? I don't get it. I
00:45:37.969 --> 00:45:40.829
don't get it. It's like Floyd went to the airport
00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:44.469
one day and was like, no one's going to pick
00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:49.570
me up. Yeah, don't add up. I don't know, man.
00:45:50.110 --> 00:45:52.550
Why are so many stories coming out about Floyd
00:45:52.550 --> 00:45:55.690
now? Why are so many stories coming out about
00:45:55.690 --> 00:45:57.889
Floyd now? I feel like every week I turn on there's
00:45:57.889 --> 00:46:00.010
a different story dropping about Floyd. Because
00:46:00.010 --> 00:46:03.739
he went into business. with unscrupulous people,
00:46:03.860 --> 00:46:09.800
and he tried to blame the wrong people. And now
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.219
that he found out the real culprit, he's desperate
00:46:13.219 --> 00:46:17.260
to actually earn money and get money. So he's
00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:19.159
going to be in the news for the next couple years,
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.019
Ezra. It's not going to end? It's not ending
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:24.340
anytime soon? Yeah, he's in the news for the
00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:27.820
next couple years. He's coming out of retirement.
00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:32.150
It's all bad for him right now, Ezra. It is,
00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:35.010
it is. And I got to tell you, if that Pacquiao
00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:38.210
fight's happening, I got to tell you. Well, you
00:46:38.210 --> 00:46:41.449
know what? Actually, if Floyd does need this
00:46:41.449 --> 00:46:44.289
money and he's in a desperate spot, you know,
00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:46.170
as I said, you know what I mean? It gets harder
00:46:46.170 --> 00:46:48.710
to run when you're in silk sheets. But Floyd
00:46:48.710 --> 00:46:50.949
might be in the right mentality now to fight
00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:54.309
again. So, you know what? I'm at the faith room
00:46:54.309 --> 00:46:59.230
in this fight now. Okay. Okay. That might not
00:46:59.230 --> 00:47:03.949
go the way you think it's going to go. Yeah,
00:47:04.090 --> 00:47:06.010
man, I don't know. That's crazy. That is insane.
00:47:06.150 --> 00:47:07.269
But yeah, I kept thinking about that. I'm like,
00:47:07.349 --> 00:47:11.110
how did he take his jet? How does one do that?
00:47:12.230 --> 00:47:14.849
Yeah. And what's Ford been flying on recently?
00:47:17.030 --> 00:47:21.869
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I just didn't understand
00:47:21.869 --> 00:47:27.070
it. Let's talk Shakur Stevenson real quick. Okay.
00:47:27.570 --> 00:47:33.590
Shakur Stevenson reportedly may have been involved,
00:47:33.809 --> 00:47:38.349
whether purposely or inadvertently, with the
00:47:38.349 --> 00:47:43.969
shooting death of rapper Takeoff. According to
00:47:43.969 --> 00:47:51.429
court documents, one of the gentlemen who was
00:47:51.429 --> 00:47:57.530
suspected in the altercation was driven to and
00:47:57.530 --> 00:48:03.440
from the altercation. by Shakur Stevenson, or
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:08.800
at the very least, a vehicle that matched Shakur
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.659
Stevenson's vehicle. What are your thoughts on
00:48:13.659 --> 00:48:17.780
this whole situation with Shakur? That's funny,
00:48:17.860 --> 00:48:19.960
because I do remember the whole thing of Shakur
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.860
being there, right, when that happened. So that
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:24.539
does always kind of come back to my memory of
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:26.300
like, oh yeah, Shakur was there when that happened.
00:48:27.019 --> 00:48:31.170
I don't know, it feels like - It feels like Shakur's
00:48:31.170 --> 00:48:34.289
not the sharpest with the people he hangs out
00:48:34.289 --> 00:48:36.769
with outside of the ring. I feel like he makes
00:48:36.769 --> 00:48:42.630
a lot of mistakes there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
00:48:42.630 --> 00:48:46.849
just think that a few instances now where it's
00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:49.630
kind of something like this, it just kind of
00:48:49.630 --> 00:48:51.690
feels like that's going to end badly for him.
00:48:51.849 --> 00:48:54.070
You know what I mean? You can't play that game
00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:57.849
with people like that and not get bit. You know
00:48:57.849 --> 00:49:00.239
what I mean? We'll see how it plays out, but
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.059
it doesn't seem like he makes the greatest decision
00:49:02.059 --> 00:49:06.639
outside the ring. For his sake, he better hope
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.519
that that guy that got into his car that night
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:15.179
was not the shooter. Because two things happen
00:49:15.179 --> 00:49:19.099
after that. Either you get charged as an accessory
00:49:19.099 --> 00:49:24.619
after the fact, or a co -conspirator, or your
00:49:24.619 --> 00:49:26.460
ass is going to be testifying on that stand against
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:30.199
this guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, yeah.
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.559
And the thing is that he's definitely there when
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.619
one thing gets shot. So he, you know, he knows
00:49:35.619 --> 00:49:40.820
who shot him. Yeah. Yeah. He was 100 % there.
00:49:41.139 --> 00:49:46.420
Yeah. This just goes to show you, and I've been
00:49:46.420 --> 00:49:49.260
talking about this, about Chico Stevenson for
00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:53.260
years, and hopefully that's changed with whatever's
00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:56.380
going on with him now, but this was a man who...
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:02.059
He doesn't know who he is as a person. And I
00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:04.440
remember when he got into the incident with NBA
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.599
Youngboy. Why do you have NBA Youngboy's chain
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.400
telling him, hey, call us if you want your chain?
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.260
You're a boxer. Why are you getting into this
00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:17.840
street nonsense? I just didn't understand that
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.559
from Shakur. I called it out when it happened.
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:27.500
It's just stupid. It's very, very stupid. If
00:50:27.500 --> 00:50:30.599
he gets involved in stuff like this, it's not
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.840
just a career killer. This is something that
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.980
could literally end sideways for him. And I mean
00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:42.179
physically. Okay? Stay out of the street shit.
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.639
Because you don't think that there's people out
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.380
there that want retribution for this guy's death?
00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:55.000
You don't think there's loved ones out there?
00:50:56.730 --> 00:51:01.150
even crazed fans out there that are looking to
00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:04.869
a quote -unquote slide for takeoff. Come on,
00:51:04.869 --> 00:51:07.369
man. Stay out of that stuff. You're a boxer.
00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:13.570
Be a boxer. So I don't get it, but it is what
00:51:13.570 --> 00:51:19.510
it is, man. We'll find out more about that situation
00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:22.889
as it comes along. Nothing else to talk about
00:51:22.889 --> 00:51:26.829
with that situation. I want to get into... Dimitri
00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:33.929
Bivol now. Dimitri Bivol, the WBO, like I predicted
00:51:33.929 --> 00:51:38.130
when I first saw the tweet from Gustavo, the
00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:44.670
WBO has ordered that Dimitri Bivol immediately
00:51:44.670 --> 00:51:48.150
faces Callum Smith after the Michael Eifert fight.
00:51:48.389 --> 00:51:53.210
The WBO is now obstructing David Benavidez's
00:51:53.210 --> 00:51:56.280
Bivol fight. It's just not going to happen. What
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.139
are your thoughts on the WBO ruling? Obviously,
00:51:59.139 --> 00:52:01.780
it was predictable, but still, I would like to
00:52:01.780 --> 00:52:04.460
know your thoughts on it. Well, he should have
00:52:04.460 --> 00:52:07.079
no problem dropping the belt and going to fight
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:16.679
Benavidez instead. Ooh. Right? I mean, we've
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.099
seen him do that before, right? We just saw him
00:52:19.099 --> 00:52:22.340
do that to fight Eifert. Right? So if he will
00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:24.460
do that for Eifert. You shouldn't be able to
00:52:24.460 --> 00:52:26.199
do that for Benavidez, who's going to make a
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:32.960
lot of money. You know what? I didn't even consider
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:37.280
that because in my head, I just don't think Bivo
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.260
wants to fight this guy. But you're absolutely
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:45.260
right. He should drop that WBO belt and go fight
00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:50.300
with Benavidez. Or better yet, drop that belt,
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.380
move up. And try to become a two -weight world
00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:58.940
champion against Benavidez. No, that's legacy.
00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:03.780
That's legacy right there, man. But realistically
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:06.280
speaking, what do you think is going to actually
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:14.699
happen? I for Smith. Back to back. Yeah. It's
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:16.679
unfortunate. All right, I wanted to cover one
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.480
more thing before we get out of here. Because
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.219
I'm not going to lie to you guys, I do have to
00:53:21.219 --> 00:53:25.199
go. I have things to do. The slap heard around
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:30.340
the world. Clarissa Shields slapped Alicia Bumgarner
00:53:30.340 --> 00:53:35.260
during a heated argument. It's gone viral. It's
00:53:35.260 --> 00:53:41.219
left boxing and it's like world news now. Alicia
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:43.920
Bumgarner is threatening to sue Clarissa Shields.
00:53:44.179 --> 00:53:46.260
Clarissa Shields is threatening to sue Alicia
00:53:46.260 --> 00:53:49.289
Bumgarner, MVP. What do you make of this whole
00:53:49.289 --> 00:53:54.110
mess of a situation? This is the best thing that
00:53:54.110 --> 00:53:56.789
ever happened to Lisa Bumgarner. This is the
00:53:56.789 --> 00:53:59.650
best thing. This fight is huge. Like you said,
00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:03.730
everyone's talking about this. This is massive
00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:06.630
news. This is the people that don't watch boxing
00:54:06.630 --> 00:54:09.969
are talking about this. The Bumgarner Shields
00:54:09.969 --> 00:54:12.030
has a lot of people talking about her. They're
00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:14.239
not. Watch the sport. They did not watch the
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.039
sport at all. They did not pay attention to the
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:17.800
sport. They still pay attention to what she's
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.400
got going on. Those things. Now her being a bone
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.539
gardener, this is a whole thing. I don't know
00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:24.980
if that fight ever happens, but that's a super
00:54:24.980 --> 00:54:26.739
fight. If it does happen, I think people pay
00:54:26.739 --> 00:54:28.260
a lot of attention to it. It's created a lot
00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:31.300
of conversation. Physical altercations in a fighting
00:54:31.300 --> 00:54:33.300
sport is never a bad thing. I don't care what
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:34.980
everyone says about, oh, we got to show class
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:37.519
or whatever. Physical altercation in a fighting
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.619
sport is always a positive. Always, always a
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:43.360
positive. It definitely is. That's why I didn't
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.519
understand the whole show class thing. Did we
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.800
tell Caleb Plant to show class when he slapped
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.960
the shit out of Jamal Charlo? Nope. I didn't
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:52.719
understand that, the whole show class thing.
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:54.519
You know what was funny? Is it because it's women?
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:56.800
Yeah, I don't know what it is. But I remember
00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:02.420
when Conor McGregor threw a, what the hell was
00:55:02.420 --> 00:55:04.719
it, like a dolly through a window, a bus window,
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:08.079
right? That thing shattered, hit people in the
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.809
eye and stuff. Because Khabib was in there. They
00:55:11.809 --> 00:55:13.630
used that for the advertisement. That was the
00:55:13.630 --> 00:55:14.989
number one selling point of the fight. It was
00:55:14.989 --> 00:55:16.789
like, hey, this guy threw a thing at a bus while
00:55:16.789 --> 00:55:19.929
this guy was in it. It's never a negative thing.
00:55:20.030 --> 00:55:21.610
Now, there's always more dangerous ones, of course.
00:55:22.250 --> 00:55:24.530
But what I'm saying is, as far as selling a fight
00:55:24.530 --> 00:55:26.550
or getting attention for a fight, nothing does
00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:30.329
it better. Yeah, I didn't understand the whole...
00:55:30.329 --> 00:55:34.329
Well, I don't think the backlash has much to
00:55:34.329 --> 00:55:37.429
do about boxing. I'll leave it at that. Because
00:55:37.429 --> 00:55:40.940
this is the sport. I mean, what the fuck? Of
00:55:40.940 --> 00:55:43.039
course there's going to be beef. Of course there's
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:46.559
going to be altercations. Of course someone might
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:48.679
get the shit slapped out of them. It's boxing.
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:53.820
Like, what sport do people think they were following
00:55:53.820 --> 00:55:58.960
all these years? I just didn't understand it,
00:55:59.059 --> 00:56:04.800
you know, but it is what it is. Now, if this
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:08.460
does not end in a fight between Alicia Bumgarner
00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:13.139
and Clarissa Shields, Is there any way for both
00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:16.719
women to capitalize on the situation? Yeah, well,
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:20.960
I think both of them are more in the headlines
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.300
because of it. So it's going to be, as far as
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:26.400
attention -wise, it's going to be a plus, even
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.420
if they don't fight. But for me, though, I think
00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:31.480
you have to really look into that fight. And
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.320
if you're Bumgarner, there's really no, like
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:35.699
you're playing with house money at that point,
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.869
right? You're moving up in weight. You know,
00:56:39.869 --> 00:56:41.849
you're the one making all the things that were
00:56:41.849 --> 00:56:45.030
kind of like your disadvantage. Why not do it,
00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:46.650
right? Because all the fights can do is make
00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:49.269
money. If you lose, who cares? Like, honestly,
00:56:49.369 --> 00:56:52.170
who cares? I don't see why you wouldn't try to
00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:54.130
make that fight. Because I think that that fight
00:56:54.130 --> 00:56:57.710
is a cash cow, honestly. Not only that, if we're
00:56:57.710 --> 00:56:59.349
being honest, I think what you were trying to
00:56:59.349 --> 00:57:03.989
say, Bumgarner's in a no -lose situation. Yeah.
00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:08.170
It's a no -lose situation because... None of
00:57:08.170 --> 00:57:09.909
us would expect her to beat Clarissa Shields.
00:57:10.309 --> 00:57:15.309
No. You know? So even if she's competitive in
00:57:15.309 --> 00:57:17.650
that fight, it'd be a plus for her. Yeah, well,
00:57:17.650 --> 00:57:18.929
I don't expect her to be competitive either,
00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:22.989
but... What I'm saying is that even if that's
00:57:22.989 --> 00:57:24.670
the thing where she could be just competitive
00:57:24.670 --> 00:57:27.690
in the fight, that'd be a huge thing for her.
00:57:27.849 --> 00:57:29.989
Yeah. She just needs to step in the ring with
00:57:29.989 --> 00:57:33.949
her. Step in the ring with her. Matt, ask...
00:57:33.949 --> 00:57:40.210
Yeah, what's going on, Octagon? What about Clarissa
00:57:40.210 --> 00:57:43.349
Shields versus Alicia Baumgartner at Sufa? You
00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:46.650
think that can happen? No. Alicia Baumgartner
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:52.289
is with MVP and Clarissa Shields is with Salida.
00:57:52.710 --> 00:57:56.909
So no. What about the sue? Is it just for marketing
00:57:56.909 --> 00:57:59.590
or is it real, the suing, this whole lawsuit?
00:58:00.949 --> 00:58:09.429
We'll find out. We will find out. I don't know.
00:58:13.050 --> 00:58:16.710
We will find out. Do you think this lawsuit is
00:58:16.710 --> 00:58:22.090
real or just for marketing Octagon? Maybe. I
00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:27.030
think MVP is the best place for them. Have you
00:58:27.030 --> 00:58:31.989
ever sued anyone before Octagon? Me? Suing who?
00:58:32.650 --> 00:58:41.059
I don't know. No, man. Okay. All right. I hate
00:58:41.059 --> 00:58:42.500
to know if you wanted to cover the sport of boxing
00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:46.659
today, Ezra. No, I think we got it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:50.139
I got to be honest with you. This was really
00:58:50.139 --> 00:58:54.219
a dead week. It was. It was really a dead week,
00:58:54.219 --> 00:58:59.460
man. You picked the right week to eat another
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:02.780
man's sweat. Come on, man. Stop saying that.
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:08.889
I mean, it's what happened. It is. That is what
00:59:08.889 --> 00:59:10.650
happened, but just the way you say it doesn't
00:59:10.650 --> 00:59:18.929
sound right. What possessed you to stay in that
00:59:18.929 --> 00:59:23.070
restaurant with that sweaty waiter? I don't know.
00:59:23.269 --> 00:59:27.849
I noticed it. I seen it. And then I just thought,
00:59:27.969 --> 00:59:32.150
I don't know. I just said, I don't like the way
00:59:32.150 --> 00:59:34.590
this looks. I don't like the way I feel when
00:59:34.590 --> 00:59:36.769
I was seeing this, but you know what? I'm really
00:59:36.769 --> 00:59:40.489
hungry, and I like this restaurant. And you couldn't
00:59:40.489 --> 00:59:45.389
just order food? What do you mean? Like, from
00:59:45.389 --> 00:59:51.469
somewhere else. Well, I was already there. Ezra,
00:59:51.570 --> 00:59:56.389
your waiter was sweating like Patrick Ewan in
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1994. Yes, he was. I cannot overemphasize how
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much he was sweating. How would you eat the food?
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I don't know, man. Obviously hindsight, right?
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We know that that was a mistake. When you immediately
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asked us about it, we said, yo, you gotta leave.
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And we thought that you would have left, but
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you said you stayed. Yeah, I did. I stayed. And
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I ordered like... Multiple rounds. But did you
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know how shocked we were when you said that you
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stayed? Literally, to a man, everyone said, what
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the fuck is this guy thinking? Unbelievable.
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But listen, prayers to you, prayers to your family,
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because the whole house is sick. Everybody's
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sick. You get a disease. You get a disease. Everybody
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gets a disease. Everyone down and out right now.
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Yeah. So salute to you and your family, man.
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I thank you for joining me. I have a to really
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knock this show out, man. This was your Michael
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Jordan food performance. How do you feel about
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it? It was all right. It was so -so. No highlights.
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Hey, you know what? You gave what we call a yo
01:01:20.590 --> 01:01:24.019
man's effort. You know, this was a workman -like
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performance by you. Yeah. But once you get all
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situated, do you have anything coming for the
01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:36.760
people? Yeah, I'm working on some breakdowns.
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I'm working on some breakdowns to drop, and I'm
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excited to do the show next week, man. We got
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to get back to it. Maybe a midweek show. Yeah.
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Well, you know what? That's a great idea. Great
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idea. Great idea. I want to plug something before
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we get out of here. My guy, everyone has an opinion,
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:03.760
is going to be hosting on Memorial Day the baseball
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all -time greatest baseball players draft. Okay?
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We've done this with wrestlers. We've done this
01:02:11.739 --> 01:02:13.860
with wrestling matches. We've done this with
01:02:13.860 --> 01:02:17.780
singers. We've done this with rappers. And now
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we're doing it with... baseball. And if you've
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.440
ever heard one of these all -time drafts, they
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are always entertaining, always worth the price
01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:36.019
of admission. So I want you guys to tune in on
01:02:36.019 --> 01:02:43.059
Memorial Day. Go follow someone else, Juan, J
01:02:43.059 --> 01:02:50.739
-U -A -N. It will be... On Monday. The exact
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time. Usually he says 7, but who knows? I don't
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.739
know. Just go follow him for more updates. Going
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to be some good stuff. All right, man. Appreciate
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you guys for joining us, man. We'll be back,
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like we said, maybe a midweek show. Maybe not.
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Maybe midweek. Maybe fuck you. Maybe we'll see
01:03:07.619 --> 01:03:09.320
you next week, Saturday. We'll definitely be
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back next week, Saturday, with a full preview
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of Oshaki Forster versus Raymond Ford, live from
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.929
Houston, Texas. This has been another edition
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of Brunch Boxing. He is our COO, the Mexican
01:03:20.349 --> 01:03:23.409
Alhambra Mike. He is our super producer, Huey
01:03:23.409 --> 01:03:26.929
P. He is our host, Azra Boxing. I am Matt. We
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are Brunch Boxing. And we are out.