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Speaker 2: Just shy of 831 here 55 care cd talk station good time to be tuned into the 55 care c morning show and a good website you should follow and bookmark the ohio press network.com my guest jack windsor uh posts things over there he closely follows a lot of shenanigans as i like to call it going on in the uh Well, in the state of Ohio, generally speaking, and even issues on national attention, Jack Windsor, good to see you this morning. I'm glad I got you on Zoom, and thanks for joining the 55K to See Morning Show.
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Speaker 1: Brian. Go ahead. Sorry. I just say good to be here. Thanks for choosing me. Good to see you. And Joe, I apologize. My voice is a little worn out today. I attended my first Cleveland Browns game in probably several years last night. So late night and a lot of vocal cords strained. I bet.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to. Quickly interject some sort of derogatory comment about $ 600 million of taxpayer money going into the coffers of the Cleveland Browns' privately owned sports franchise, but we'll just let that one go. We have the same problem here, as you well know, Jack. I just am absolutely against that concept. I find it offensive.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Pay for your own damn stadiums. Anyway, Jack Windsor, you didn't call to talk about that. New developments. You're following this Ismail Mohamed case. I know you have some new developments. Reset and remind my listeners, in the thumbnail sketch, what got us to this point?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are so many moving pieces here. I will go as far into the weeds on this as you want because I promise you we're covering this at a depth and breadth that no other outlet in the country is. Columbus State Representative Ishmael Muhammad, he's an attorney, and he told the elections board under oath that he signed his mortgage. his tax break form, and his ethics disclosure without reading any of them. And the next morning.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that unethical?
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Speaker 1: Well, you would think as an attorney, right? If it's not unethical, it certainly is a bad look.
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Speaker 2: Stupid?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very stupid. Monday at the Franklin County Board of Elections, the hearing ran nearly 10 hours. And Muhammad is a Democrat representing House District 3, Columbus's North Side. His opponent is Bernadine Kennedy Kent. She challenged his residency. She's a former Democrat state rep who beat him in 2018 in the primary there. And she's now running on the Republican ticket. Muhammad testified he spends weekdays in an apartment in his district, weekends and holidays at his $ 587, 000 house on Heather Ridge Drive in Delaware County. And he bought that house in October 2025. Now, the board, interestingly... Brian voted three to one on Monday to let him keep his registration and how that all went down with the board of elections. Chairman is an entirely separate can of worms that we could spend a whole hour on. But just, you know, a couple of things that Ishmael Muhammad has, he has an issue because he said under oath that he made false statements on a mortgage document. He said under oath that he completed a tax form incorrectly. He said under oath, that he didn't list his investment property on his financial disclosure form, which is required of state lawmakers. He admitted all of that under oath. I would expect that we're going to see some additional investigations. But in addition to those things, he still has $ 93, 000 in cash missing from his campaign coffers that he can't pin down anywhere. We also have uncovered, he testified Monday under oath, that the investment property, that the investment, I'm using air quotes, property that he has in Delaware County that he intended to rent out. So the question was followed up with, well, have you rented it out? And he said, well, no, no, no, but we have this plan and, you know, we could use like Airbnb, VRBO was what I took from what he said. Well, we did a little digging and unfortunately for Ishmael Muhammad, the homeowners association where that home is located does not allow that type of transient renting. So now he has that issue. Oh, and by the way, he has another LLC that I think we've identified that is also not listed on his financial disclosure form. So this guy has a truckload of issues. And as it stands right now, he's still a qualified elector in his district. But I expect that we're going to see some more on this case down the road.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would expect. Going back to the missing $ 93, 000, was he asked questions about that? You said that still hasn't been accounted for.
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Speaker 1: So, no. Well, let me back up. This was like 10 hours, his hearing. And so I got through most of it. And then I had to prepare for my radio show. And then I had to go back and read reports and notes. This weekend, I planned to, I know, I know I'm a partier. I'm such a crazy guy. I'm going to actually listen to the last few hours of that to make sure that I take it all in. This is a case that we've covered from the beginning. But I do not believe he was asked about the $ 93, 000 as much, only because this hearing was more about his residency. Where do you live? I do know that the Secretary of State's office is still looking into many of his financial disclosure forms, but I also have to report that they fined him $ 1, 200 Tuesday. He testified on Monday. On Tuesday, it came out that he was fined $ 1, 200, one, for not reporting a loan properly, and then two, for not completing his financial disclosure forms appropriately. But we're still trying to pin down the $ 93, 000. That's another separate issue.
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Speaker 2: Well, if the hammer to fully fall down on this guy because of these obvious improprieties, what is the result of that? What do you anticipate would happen to him?
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Speaker 1: Listen, I've got to be very careful here. But if the Federal Bureau of Investigations is not looking into this guy and looking into everything that we just talked about, then I think the 14th Amendment is a joke. And I think you know where I'm going with that.
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Speaker 2: I understand.
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Speaker 1: This guy's a lawmaker. And, Brian, if you and I did this, our asses would be in prison already. Yes. Let's make no joke about that. So I expect that there's going to be a lot more scrutiny. At least I hope there is.
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Speaker 2: Is he a flight risk? Don't go away. I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 1: No, when you, I want to, well, you got to take a break, but there's something on that that I want to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. I opened a new can of worms. We'll dive into it when we get back with Jack Windsor. Plus, we will talk about what's going on at Garver Farms in Butler County more with aislepressnetwork.com's Jack Windsor. Don't go away.
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Speaker 2: 840-55-KRTV Talk Station. Brian Thomas with Jack Windsor from TheOhioPressNetwork.com. Check out his radio program. Check out his website and listen to what he has to say and follow what he is following, including I made that sort of joking, at least I thought it was a joking comment about Ismail Mohammed since you mentioned the feds and federal investigators pursuing presumably federal crimes involved in these underlying shenanigans. I joked, I said, well, is he a flight risk? And there must have been something to that because you apparently had some points to make on that. Jack Windsor, please do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be careful when you talk under oath, right? Because that gets recorded and it can be used against you later. One interesting bit of information that we uncovered before the hearing that he was asked about, first of all, he was served a subpoena at his investment property. It's not at his investment property, in my opinion, but that's where he was served a subpoena. And the next day, I think it was the next day, he changed his address to another address in his district. So he was asked, did you live in that first address the entirety up until a few days ago? He said, well, yeah, I did. Okay. Well, subpoenaed records from American Electric Power show that at that property he claims to live at, between January and March of 2026, the power was out. And you go, well, that's kind of a bad time, right? January. Well, if you remember, Brian, it was nine degrees below zero in January. So apparently he lived there at nine below zero. And the interesting part was when he was confronted with that fact, that set of facts at Monday's hearing, he said, oh, I forgot. I was out of the country for a while and then lived with my mom during that time. So technically it was my address, but I wasn't there And so you go, oh, you were out of the country? So to your question, is he a flight risk, we kind of ask that tongue-in-cheek, but I don't know. Is he? I mean, where'd he go? Back to Somalia? I would say yes, he is a flight risk. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly, under the circumstances, if he fled to Somalia or anyplace else in the four corners of the globe, it would relieve us of the obligation to have to continue following up this and pursue criminal charges, saving the taxpayers a tremendous amount of money for what seems to be an open and shut case.
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Speaker 1: Jack? I am going to shake my head and say I'm stating my opinion, and I fully agree with you.
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Speaker 2: All right. Go ahead, Ismael. Head on out. We'll just call it. We'll stick a fork in it and call it done. Pivoting over, what's going on at Garver Farms in Butler County, Jack Windsor?
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Speaker 1: Man, we uncovered something else here, too. We didn't. It was already percolating, right? The Garvers have farmed in Lemon Township since 1926, and on March 17th, the county's Board of Zoning Appeals voted four to one in favor of the farm. There were some alleged infractions, right? And the Zoning Appeals Board said, no, we side with the farm four to one. The county under the prosecutor appealed that Board of Zoning Appeals decision. And Judge Greg Stevens in the Common Police Court threw it out and said, the county doesn't have standing in this matter. You can't just appeal when the county that you represent has what you think is, you know, an adverse opinion. and uh well you would think that would be over but on september 23rd prosecutor mike moser filed again this time with the 12th district court of appeals so uh i had elena uh garver in my studio earlier this week for about three segments and she unpacked a lot of information Yeah. Yeah. with respect to how this situation with Garver Farms is being handled.
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Speaker 2: Well, do you know what Moser's problem is with Garver Farms? What's the underlying zoning issue or the four-to-one decision based on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he said that they built a supermarket, basically, and that they don't have the appropriate paperwork. He compared the family's explanation to why they don't have that to a kid telling the teacher that the dog ate his homework And what I've gathered is that the family went to the powers that be and asked if they needed to file paperwork or something different. And they said, well, no. And so I dug into that a little bit. I talked to a couple of legal experts there in that area. And what they told me was there was really no reason for them to file anything because they're considered agriculture. So that's kind of a open, closed, shut, whatever you want to call it. But Mosier has said that the public is misinformed, that he's going to file a brief, that this is not personal, though I would question that. We're starting to uncover some stuff there. And he also said that it is a public safety matter. But I've asked him twice now what that specific public safety issue is. Can you name it? Can you give me the public records that show that that exists? And he's not yet answered. or turned over public records to prove to me that that's an accurate statement.
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Speaker 2: Well, so far, based upon what I know from you just this morning on this topic, I'm with you, Jack Windsor. I smell a rat, too. We'll see what happens, because we'll wait to get the final analysis. We'll wait to get the brief and see where he's coming from and draw our conclusions after that. Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network. Don't go away. It is 850 at 55K or CD Talk Station. Happy Friday. Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network. Well, let's close out Friday's show with a few segments with Jack. Interesting stuff it is. As always, get on, bookmark his page, OhioPressNetwork.com. You have polling information we can talk about and actually believe Jack Windsor, or is this the same kind of stuff that we've been reading over and over again, trying to convince Republicans that, you know what, don't even bother. You're going to be completely, have your clock cleaned completely, so just stay home. Is that really what these polls are all about, Jack? Or have you found something that we can actually say, you know what, that looks pretty right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go right to the heart of it instead of giving you the political answer. So a couple of things are true. We're seeing polling similar to what we've seen in 2018, 2022, and 2024. And if you're a Republican, you remember in the fall, the sky's falling, right? DeWine trailed Cordray in 2018. In 22, J.D. Vance trailed Tim Ryan. In 24, Bernie Marino trailed Sherrod Brown. And in all of those instances, Republicans won. And so these polls that we see traditionally are somewhere between 6% and 9% wrong, meaning they lean toward the Democrat. Here's the one caveat I'm always careful about, though. If the tide does turn, this is what it would look like, right? So even though history tells us in this case, it looks like, uh, Brown is up 51 to 43 over Husted and acting up over Ramaswamy 50 to 44. Uh, if the tide was turning, that's how they would look. But like I said, you look back over history and you go, that's kind of within that band where we we've seen this movie before. Right. But I think what we have to really be careful of is look at each of those candidates in each of those races. And I, I'll say it this way and then ask any questions that you want. I think the Sherrod Brown, John Husted race is wholly different than the Vivek Ramaswamy, Amy Acton race for a couple of reasons. Number one, Sherrod Brown has one of the most durable brands in Ohio politics. True. Love him, hate him. He gets people to turn out and he gets a lot of votes. That puts John Husted in a pickle. There are some Republicans that are still upset with John Husted because he did not disconnect his wagon from Mike DeWine during COVID. And then, of course, the Democrats down the stretch here are going to talk a lot about House Bill 6, so on and so forth. Now, I think that, in my humble opinion, John Husted's in a tougher position than Vivek Ramaswamy for a couple of reasons. Vivek has money. He's going to spend it. And he's going to do everything that he can to make sure that he wins that office. He also has a competitor who has a slew of personal issues. And by the way, we have experience with her, not as an elected official. but as an incompetent doctor who partially led Ohio's COVID response. So I look at Vivek's race, and I say he's probably in a better position. But then I also have to caveat that with he's not a Christian. He has a funny last name. He has brown skin. And, you know, in some circles in the Republican Party, that tamps down turnout.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're the ones I'm pissed off at, Jack. Every time I hear that, I'm like, it's 2026. You got a guy that if he was a white guy and he had a name like– Jack Windsor, then you'd be all over him. Oh, my God, this is the greatest thing. He's straight out of central casting. Okay, because he's named Vivek Ramaswamy because he's Hindu, that makes him... Jack, you hit a nerve with that one, man. I've been hearing that from people, and I just want to punch him in the face metaphorically.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I can't tell you how many times I hear, this one really makes me mad. Oh, he's an anchor baby, and all the Gripers love to complain about his ethnicity. It's gross. It's racist. I don't like it. But then once you get out of the woods there, then he gets clobbered over the head with, well, he's a billionaire. I look at that. So I want to say this explicitly. It's okay to like Vivek Ramaswamy. It's okay to like success. Because frankly, when I look at my kids, I want them to succeed. I don't want them to be failures. I don't want them to be addicted to pills and alcohol. I want them to be good human beings who are productive. So to me, I look at this and I go, it's a clear winner in my book. This is my opinion. But I'm not sure... Ohioans are seeing that at the scale that you and I would like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to demonize the man because he is so successful. Listen, first off, I know you want your children to be as successful as Vivek Ramaswamy. Get them a good education. Let them go into free society. They may be able to accomplish that. But if they're like me, you can measure success a different way and be thankful that there's a guy like Ramaswamy employing people like me in some capacity as a W-2 employee. Why? Because I'm not an entrepreneurial-minded person. But you know what? I'm willing to put in a hard day's work. I'm willing to earn an income. without having started a business. This is what makes the world go around. So embrace Vivek Ramasamy and also be thankful that he's not going to office to get rich. He's already done that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I had a conversation with him last week and I have an event where he's going to be featured tonight. And I said, you know, one of the things that I want you to be prepared to answer Vivek is why, why are you doing this? Because Brian, if I were his age and a billionaire, I quit. Go get a yacht and chill for a while.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be something to this well beyond. I just want to use the state and its people to get wealthier. I don't think it's that.
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Speaker 2: No, he loves he loves Ohio. He loves his upbringing. He loves the city of Cincinnati. He's willing to give back. There are people like him who are driven to work and prosper and do well. And he's done so well for himself. He's sharing the love with everybody else. I think it's awesome. Jack, I find no problem at all with that man, and I just really scratch my head and wonder how in God's name even a skewed pole could have Amy acting ahead.
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Speaker 2: Just shy of 831 here 55 care cd talk station good time to be tuned into the 55 care c morning show and a good website you should follow and bookmark the ohio press network.com my guest jack windsor uh posts things over there he closely follows a lot of shenanigans as i like to call it going on in the uh Well, in the state of Ohio, generally speaking, and even issues on national attention, Jack Windsor, good to see you this morning. I'm glad I got you on Zoom, and thanks for joining the 55K to See Morning Show.
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Speaker 1: Brian. Go ahead. Sorry. I just say good to be here. Thanks for choosing me. Good to see you. And Joe, I apologize. My voice is a little worn out today. I attended my first Cleveland Browns game in probably several years last night. So late night and a lot of vocal cords strained. I bet.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to. Quickly interject some sort of derogatory comment about $ 600 million of taxpayer money going into the coffers of the Cleveland Browns' privately owned sports franchise, but we'll just let that one go. We have the same problem here, as you well know, Jack. I just am absolutely against that concept. I find it offensive.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Pay for your own damn stadiums. Anyway, Jack Windsor, you didn't call to talk about that. New developments. You're following this Ismail Mohamed case. I know you have some new developments. Reset and remind my listeners, in the thumbnail sketch, what got us to this point?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are so many moving pieces here. I will go as far into the weeds on this as you want because I promise you we're covering this at a depth and breadth that no other outlet in the country is. Columbus State Representative Ishmael Muhammad, he's an attorney, and he told the elections board under oath that he signed his mortgage. his tax break form, and his ethics disclosure without reading any of them. And the next morning.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that unethical?
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Speaker 1: Well, you would think as an attorney, right? If it's not unethical, it certainly is a bad look.
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Speaker 2: Stupid?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very stupid. Monday at the Franklin County Board of Elections, the hearing ran nearly 10 hours. And Muhammad is a Democrat representing House District 3, Columbus's North Side. His opponent is Bernadine Kennedy Kent. She challenged his residency. She's a former Democrat state rep who beat him in 2018 in the primary there. And she's now running on the Republican ticket. Muhammad testified he spends weekdays in an apartment in his district, weekends and holidays at his $ 587, 000 house on Heather Ridge Drive in Delaware County. And he bought that house in October 2025. Now, the board, interestingly... Brian voted three to one on Monday to let him keep his registration and how that all went down with the board of elections. Chairman is an entirely separate can of worms that we could spend a whole hour on. But just, you know, a couple of things that Ishmael Muhammad has, he has an issue because he said under oath that he made false statements on a mortgage document. He said under oath that he completed a tax form incorrectly. He said under oath, that he didn't list his investment property on his financial disclosure form, which is required of state lawmakers. He admitted all of that under oath. I would expect that we're going to see some additional investigations. But in addition to those things, he still has $ 93, 000 in cash missing from his campaign coffers that he can't pin down anywhere. We also have uncovered, he testified Monday under oath, that the investment property, that the investment, I'm using air quotes, property that he has in Delaware County that he intended to rent out. So the question was followed up with, well, have you rented it out? And he said, well, no, no, no, but we have this plan and, you know, we could use like Airbnb, VRBO was what I took from what he said. Well, we did a little digging and unfortunately for Ishmael Muhammad, the homeowners association where that home is located does not allow that type of transient renting. So now he has that issue. Oh, and by the way, he has another LLC that I think we've identified that is also not listed on his financial disclosure form. So this guy has a truckload of issues. And as it stands right now, he's still a qualified elector in his district. But I expect that we're going to see some more on this case down the road.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would expect. Going back to the missing $ 93, 000, was he asked questions about that? You said that still hasn't been accounted for.
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Speaker 1: So, no. Well, let me back up. This was like 10 hours, his hearing. And so I got through most of it. And then I had to prepare for my radio show. And then I had to go back and read reports and notes. This weekend, I planned to, I know, I know I'm a partier. I'm such a crazy guy. I'm going to actually listen to the last few hours of that to make sure that I take it all in. This is a case that we've covered from the beginning. But I do not believe he was asked about the $ 93, 000 as much, only because this hearing was more about his residency. Where do you live? I do know that the Secretary of State's office is still looking into many of his financial disclosure forms, but I also have to report that they fined him $ 1, 200 Tuesday. He testified on Monday. On Tuesday, it came out that he was fined $ 1, 200, one, for not reporting a loan properly, and then two, for not completing his financial disclosure forms appropriately. But we're still trying to pin down the $ 93, 000. That's another separate issue.
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Speaker 2: Well, if the hammer to fully fall down on this guy because of these obvious improprieties, what is the result of that? What do you anticipate would happen to him?
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Speaker 1: Listen, I've got to be very careful here. But if the Federal Bureau of Investigations is not looking into this guy and looking into everything that we just talked about, then I think the 14th Amendment is a joke. And I think you know where I'm going with that.
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Speaker 2: I understand.
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Speaker 1: This guy's a lawmaker. And, Brian, if you and I did this, our asses would be in prison already. Yes. Let's make no joke about that. So I expect that there's going to be a lot more scrutiny. At least I hope there is.
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Speaker 2: Is he a flight risk? Don't go away. I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 1: No, when you, I want to, well, you got to take a break, but there's something on that that I want to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. I opened a new can of worms. We'll dive into it when we get back with Jack Windsor. Plus, we will talk about what's going on at Garver Farms in Butler County more with aislepressnetwork.com's Jack Windsor. Don't go away.
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Speaker 1: 55KRC. com. The Talk Station.
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Speaker 2: 840-55-KRTV Talk Station. Brian Thomas with Jack Windsor from TheOhioPressNetwork.com. Check out his radio program. Check out his website and listen to what he has to say and follow what he is following, including I made that sort of joking, at least I thought it was a joking comment about Ismail Mohammed since you mentioned the feds and federal investigators pursuing presumably federal crimes involved in these underlying shenanigans. I joked, I said, well, is he a flight risk? And there must have been something to that because you apparently had some points to make on that. Jack Windsor, please do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be careful when you talk under oath, right? Because that gets recorded and it can be used against you later. One interesting bit of information that we uncovered before the hearing that he was asked about, first of all, he was served a subpoena at his investment property. It's not at his investment property, in my opinion, but that's where he was served a subpoena. And the next day, I think it was the next day, he changed his address to another address in his district. So he was asked, did you live in that first address the entirety up until a few days ago? He said, well, yeah, I did. Okay. Well, subpoenaed records from American Electric Power show that at that property he claims to live at, between January and March of 2026, the power was out. And you go, well, that's kind of a bad time, right? January. Well, if you remember, Brian, it was nine degrees below zero in January. So apparently he lived there at nine below zero. And the interesting part was when he was confronted with that fact, that set of facts at Monday's hearing, he said, oh, I forgot. I was out of the country for a while and then lived with my mom during that time. So technically it was my address, but I wasn't there And so you go, oh, you were out of the country? So to your question, is he a flight risk, we kind of ask that tongue-in-cheek, but I don't know. Is he? I mean, where'd he go? Back to Somalia? I would say yes, he is a flight risk. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly, under the circumstances, if he fled to Somalia or anyplace else in the four corners of the globe, it would relieve us of the obligation to have to continue following up this and pursue criminal charges, saving the taxpayers a tremendous amount of money for what seems to be an open and shut case.
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Speaker 1: Jack? I am going to shake my head and say I'm stating my opinion, and I fully agree with you.
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Speaker 2: All right. Go ahead, Ismael. Head on out. We'll just call it. We'll stick a fork in it and call it done. Pivoting over, what's going on at Garver Farms in Butler County, Jack Windsor?
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Speaker 1: Man, we uncovered something else here, too. We didn't. It was already percolating, right? The Garvers have farmed in Lemon Township since 1926, and on March 17th, the county's Board of Zoning Appeals voted four to one in favor of the farm. There were some alleged infractions, right? And the Zoning Appeals Board said, no, we side with the farm four to one. The county under the prosecutor appealed that Board of Zoning Appeals decision. And Judge Greg Stevens in the Common Police Court threw it out and said, the county doesn't have standing in this matter. You can't just appeal when the county that you represent has what you think is, you know, an adverse opinion. and uh well you would think that would be over but on september 23rd prosecutor mike moser filed again this time with the 12th district court of appeals so uh i had elena uh garver in my studio earlier this week for about three segments and she unpacked a lot of information Yeah. Yeah. with respect to how this situation with Garver Farms is being handled.
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Speaker 2: Well, do you know what Moser's problem is with Garver Farms? What's the underlying zoning issue or the four-to-one decision based on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he said that they built a supermarket, basically, and that they don't have the appropriate paperwork. He compared the family's explanation to why they don't have that to a kid telling the teacher that the dog ate his homework And what I've gathered is that the family went to the powers that be and asked if they needed to file paperwork or something different. And they said, well, no. And so I dug into that a little bit. I talked to a couple of legal experts there in that area. And what they told me was there was really no reason for them to file anything because they're considered agriculture. So that's kind of a open, closed, shut, whatever you want to call it. But Mosier has said that the public is misinformed, that he's going to file a brief, that this is not personal, though I would question that. We're starting to uncover some stuff there. And he also said that it is a public safety matter. But I've asked him twice now what that specific public safety issue is. Can you name it? Can you give me the public records that show that that exists? And he's not yet answered. or turned over public records to prove to me that that's an accurate statement.
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Speaker 2: Well, so far, based upon what I know from you just this morning on this topic, I'm with you, Jack Windsor. I smell a rat, too. We'll see what happens, because we'll wait to get the final analysis. We'll wait to get the brief and see where he's coming from and draw our conclusions after that. Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network. Don't go away. It is 850 at 55K or CD Talk Station. Happy Friday. Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network. Well, let's close out Friday's show with a few segments with Jack. Interesting stuff it is. As always, get on, bookmark his page, OhioPressNetwork.com. You have polling information we can talk about and actually believe Jack Windsor, or is this the same kind of stuff that we've been reading over and over again, trying to convince Republicans that, you know what, don't even bother. You're going to be completely, have your clock cleaned completely, so just stay home. Is that really what these polls are all about, Jack? Or have you found something that we can actually say, you know what, that looks pretty right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go right to the heart of it instead of giving you the political answer. So a couple of things are true. We're seeing polling similar to what we've seen in 2018, 2022, and 2024. And if you're a Republican, you remember in the fall, the sky's falling, right? DeWine trailed Cordray in 2018. In 22, J.D. Vance trailed Tim Ryan. In 24, Bernie Marino trailed Sherrod Brown. And in all of those instances, Republicans won. And so these polls that we see traditionally are somewhere between 6% and 9% wrong, meaning they lean toward the Democrat. Here's the one caveat I'm always careful about, though. If the tide does turn, this is what it would look like, right? So even though history tells us in this case, it looks like, uh, Brown is up 51 to 43 over Husted and acting up over Ramaswamy 50 to 44. Uh, if the tide was turning, that's how they would look. But like I said, you look back over history and you go, that's kind of within that band where we we've seen this movie before. Right. But I think what we have to really be careful of is look at each of those candidates in each of those races. And I, I'll say it this way and then ask any questions that you want. I think the Sherrod Brown, John Husted race is wholly different than the Vivek Ramaswamy, Amy Acton race for a couple of reasons. Number one, Sherrod Brown has one of the most durable brands in Ohio politics. True. Love him, hate him. He gets people to turn out and he gets a lot of votes. That puts John Husted in a pickle. There are some Republicans that are still upset with John Husted because he did not disconnect his wagon from Mike DeWine during COVID. And then, of course, the Democrats down the stretch here are going to talk a lot about House Bill 6, so on and so forth. Now, I think that, in my humble opinion, John Husted's in a tougher position than Vivek Ramaswamy for a couple of reasons. Vivek has money. He's going to spend it. And he's going to do everything that he can to make sure that he wins that office. He also has a competitor who has a slew of personal issues. And by the way, we have experience with her, not as an elected official. but as an incompetent doctor who partially led Ohio's COVID response. So I look at Vivek's race, and I say he's probably in a better position. But then I also have to caveat that with he's not a Christian. He has a funny last name. He has brown skin. And, you know, in some circles in the Republican Party, that tamps down turnout.
00:15:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're the ones I'm pissed off at, Jack. Every time I hear that, I'm like, it's 2026. You got a guy that if he was a white guy and he had a name like– Jack Windsor, then you'd be all over him. Oh, my God, this is the greatest thing. He's straight out of central casting. Okay, because he's named Vivek Ramaswamy because he's Hindu, that makes him... Jack, you hit a nerve with that one, man. I've been hearing that from people, and I just want to punch him in the face metaphorically.
00:16:09
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I can't tell you how many times I hear, this one really makes me mad. Oh, he's an anchor baby, and all the Gripers love to complain about his ethnicity. It's gross. It's racist. I don't like it. But then once you get out of the woods there, then he gets clobbered over the head with, well, he's a billionaire. I look at that. So I want to say this explicitly. It's okay to like Vivek Ramaswamy. It's okay to like success. Because frankly, when I look at my kids, I want them to succeed. I don't want them to be failures. I don't want them to be addicted to pills and alcohol. I want them to be good human beings who are productive. So to me, I look at this and I go, it's a clear winner in my book. This is my opinion. But I'm not sure... Ohioans are seeing that at the scale that you and I would like.
00:16:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to demonize the man because he is so successful. Listen, first off, I know you want your children to be as successful as Vivek Ramaswamy. Get them a good education. Let them go into free society. They may be able to accomplish that. But if they're like me, you can measure success a different way and be thankful that there's a guy like Ramaswamy employing people like me in some capacity as a W-2 employee. Why? Because I'm not an entrepreneurial-minded person. But you know what? I'm willing to put in a hard day's work. I'm willing to earn an income. without having started a business. This is what makes the world go around. So embrace Vivek Ramasamy and also be thankful that he's not going to office to get rich. He's already done that.
00:17:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I had a conversation with him last week and I have an event where he's going to be featured tonight. And I said, you know, one of the things that I want you to be prepared to answer Vivek is why, why are you doing this? Because Brian, if I were his age and a billionaire, I quit. Go get a yacht and chill for a while.
00:17:51
Speaker 2: I know.
00:17:53
Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be something to this well beyond. I just want to use the state and its people to get wealthier. I don't think it's that.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: No, he loves he loves Ohio. He loves his upbringing. He loves the city of Cincinnati. He's willing to give back. There are people like him who are driven to work and prosper and do well. And he's done so well for himself. He's sharing the love with everybody else. I think it's awesome. Jack, I find no problem at all with that man, and I just really scratch my head and wonder how in God's name even a skewed pole could have Amy acting ahead.
