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00:00:07.679I gave them my business card and she like looks at it and she kind of glares at me and she threw it over her shoulder.
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00:00:18.160People are so obsessed about like what the face of an artist should look like and the things that they're supposed to be into and the things they're supposed to make.
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00:00:24.800Because everyone is obsessed over the same things, it kind of leads everything to become so samey over time.
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00:00:34.000I stand before you both, a humble servant, a blithering idiot, because on this anime special, I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about.
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00:00:37.600That was like my first video that really like made it big.
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00:00:48.960It's like kindergarten viral, you know?
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00:00:58.079This is BRB Crying.
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00:01:11.439Hello everyone, and welcome back to BRB Crying.
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00:01:12.400I'm Arnes.
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00:01:17.280And and Ooh, I thought about this.
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00:01:23.439Boo.
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00:01:30.560Gosh, Arns cried again?
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00:01:37.920Uh as you can tell, Arns cried again.
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00:01:38.400Mm-hmm.
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00:01:39.680So did I.
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00:01:41.120So we're here to tell you about it.
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00:01:42.560That's our pod.
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00:01:46.159And if you don't already follow us on socials, what are you doing?
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00:01:49.840We are at BRBCrying.podcast everywhere.
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00:01:53.599And uh also if you're new here, welcome.
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00:01:55.599If you're old here, welcome back, crybabies.
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00:01:59.439I am so excited to announce we have a very special guest.
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00:02:05.359He is an old friend, an old crybaby, as we found out recently.
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00:02:11.039He reached out to us and he said he wanted to do a little collab.
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00:02:20.080So we're gonna talk about him a little bit, warm you guys up, give you guys a reason to have a buy-in, you know, like why do why do we want to listen to this guy?
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00:02:23.840So our dear friend today is named Gabe.
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00:02:34.800So Gabe is an old friend from college because as you all might recall, Ninz and I went to grade school, middle school, high school together.
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00:02:36.240We even went to college together.
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00:02:39.120And here is where we met our our friend Gabe.
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00:02:46.240And we were in, all three of us, our college's Filipino club.
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00:02:48.719Shout the fuck out.
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00:02:56.080Our club was called Barcada.
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00:03:04.400Our club was called Barcada, which means Um, it means we were like the coolest club in the college.
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00:03:08.000We were all Filipinos, we were all fucking lit.
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00:03:09.680That's what Barcotta means.
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00:03:12.800That is the direct translation from Tagalog to English of Barcotta.
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00:03:14.159So we were all in Barcotta together.
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00:03:25.199So we spent a lot of time together hanging out in our little, our little lounge area, and Gabe and I would talk about anime because it was a shared love of ours.
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00:03:27.759So we were really excited when Gabe reached out.
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00:03:29.439He was like, Hey, I don't know if you guys remember me.
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00:03:31.840I'm like, hello! Yes, of course I remember you, Gabe.
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00:03:36.400And he has a really cool channel on YouTube.
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00:03:42.479He goes by what he says was his screen name when he was 12 years old.
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00:03:50.879He goes by Demon Core, which is spelled D-A-E-M-O-N-C-O-R-P-S.
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00:03:54.400And that's where you can find him on YouTube.
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00:03:56.639But he does video essays.
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00:04:05.280He calls himself an aging millennial who thinks too much about pop culture, which I feel like sums it all up.
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00:04:07.360No one thinks about it enough.
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00:04:09.759Let me just say that right off the bat.
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00:04:10.800It's not possible.
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00:04:11.840Don't think too much.
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00:04:12.319Nope.
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00:04:12.560Nope.
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00:04:17.360We are all academics, as you can tell from our bachelor's degree that we received.
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00:04:21.199Yeah, from Barcotta.
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00:04:26.480Someone please stop her.
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00:04:35.600Okay, so I think that while I would love to talk about Gabe's channel, I feel like maybe he should pipe himself up a little bit.
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00:04:41.920If only there was a third chair in the studio.
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00:04:43.120If only.
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00:04:50.639So without further ado, here is our conversation with Damon Corpse.
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00:05:01.839Hello, Gabe, and welcome.
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00:05:05.759I'm glad to be here.
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00:05:06.240Yeah?
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00:05:14.319I'm like wondering how this is gonna look when it like in post where the chair will be empty and then it'll be like bewitched style, where it's just like a pair.
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00:05:16.000Yeah, I guess we should explain.
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00:05:17.680I guess we should explain.
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00:05:21.279Gabe has a flourishing YouTube account.
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00:05:23.120That was not on purpose.
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00:05:28.560But he does like to keep his identity a secret, kind of like a superhero.
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00:05:43.600You gotta pay extra for the face review.
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00:05:44.079Yeah.
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00:05:48.879Handsome, incredible face, just chiseled jaw, just gorgeous shiny hair.
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00:05:52.879I will say.
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00:05:58.319I was told that my face is like stop sign-shaped from like other borcada members.
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00:05:59.680Was that a compliment?
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00:06:00.800I don't know.
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00:06:01.600I think so.
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00:06:03.279They never explained it to me fully.
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00:06:06.879Yeah, because they're so like alluring, they go, stop, you know.
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00:06:11.920I gotta pause myself.
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00:06:15.920I gotta collect all my emotions before I speak to this man.
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00:06:20.480Well, welcome, Gabe.
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00:06:22.720I'm happy to be welcomed.
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00:06:27.680I was really excited when you reached out to us.
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00:06:32.560No, I was because I was like, wait, I did not know you had your own YouTube channel.
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00:06:37.759Yeah, well, I mean, like I hinted at before, it was just kind of by accident.
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00:06:40.319Like, um, are we gonna like backstory everything?
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00:06:45.920So I feel like it was my COVID activity.
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00:06:51.759What else did people do?
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00:06:58.079Um they drew fruit on Instagram stories.
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00:06:59.600Why was that a thing?
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00:07:01.199I don't know, but let's get back to you.
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00:07:02.160I don't care about that.
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00:07:05.279I want to only focus on my stop sign bow.
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00:07:13.759Yeah, so I made a YouTube channel in uh early 2020 when everything was like, you know, going to hell.
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00:07:18.319But I think before I even get to that, we need to go a little bit further.
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00:07:21.199Um, a few years before The day you were born.
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00:07:26.079I was I was actually born a few months after the earthquake.
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00:07:32.959So I like to think that that was like the secret sauce that made me who I am.
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00:07:35.680I can see that.
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00:07:36.319I love that.
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00:07:38.000But like after that.
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00:07:45.439Well, during college, I keep going further back.
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00:07:59.360Um during college, my my parents were very much the Filipino parents that were like, you need to either be a nurse or you need to be an engineer.
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00:08:03.360And you're good at drawing, so I guess that's an engineer.
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00:08:07.680They're like rounding up to the nearest like Filipino job that they're familiar with.
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00:08:09.920Wait, what engineering majors were you?
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00:08:21.040You didn't sense it when we went through the door.
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00:08:22.160It's just weird.
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00:08:23.920Like, I came in with my hard hat.
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00:08:29.759I don't know why you didn't come in with your hard hat, but there's too many like silly asides that I can like go through this.
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00:08:31.519So we need to like insane episodes.
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00:08:40.639So um my my parents were very much like, you need to be an engineer.
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00:08:42.000Like, this is how it's done.
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00:08:48.480You're not gonna get a job by talking about anime ulti or whatever.
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00:08:53.600And so I was very much like, okay, but like once I graduate, I'm allowed to do whatever, right?
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00:08:54.879And they were like, yes.
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00:09:01.440I was like, okay, once I graduate, I'm just gonna do whatever.
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00:09:04.960So I went just like um I started just making art again.
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00:09:08.000I didn't make art at all in college.
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00:09:09.200Like, never ever.
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00:09:10.320I I stopped in high school.
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00:09:11.440But you were into art.
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00:09:12.879I was into art though, yeah.
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00:09:14.480What do you mean by you made art?
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00:09:14.960Like drawing?
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00:09:17.519I would draw, I would like make comics.
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00:09:20.320I was I was really into what is it, Dave Pilke, Mr.
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00:09:22.240Captain Underpants, like stuff like that.
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00:09:28.879Would like really inspire me to just like make ugly drawings and be like uh this is this is what the teacher looks like, guys.
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00:09:38.320Um But then I had to stop all that in college and I had to pretend to be serious for like four whole years.
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00:09:41.519Can you imagine all of that being pent up for four whole years?
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00:09:42.080Yeah.
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00:09:46.799Um so once once college ended, I was like, okay, I'm gonna make a ton of art.
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00:09:53.840I'm and I made a ton over the course of like maybe two or three months because I knew that the convention season was starting up.
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00:09:59.600Um so I made a ton and then I just started tabling for a few years, and that's just how it was.
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00:10:03.120It'd just be like anime season again, I gotta go table again.
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00:10:21.360And the whole time I was doing that experience, I was kind of like, oh man, this is this is gonna be like great, I'm doing what I like, I'm gonna find my community, I'm I'm gonna be embraced by my community, they're all gonna love me, I'm gonna be the best friend of all these cool artists.
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00:10:32.399And the the funny thing about um being an artist at art conventions is that people don't tell you that artists are introverts.
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00:10:34.879They don't like talking to people.
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00:10:45.600So if you try to get in on their personal space, there's a lot of barriers that need to be knocked down before any of that happens.
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00:10:46.399Yeah.
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00:10:56.080And it was just a lot of work when it comes to that, where I'm just like, okay, like I don't want to put in, invest so much time talking to people if they don't want to talk to me.
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00:11:02.159But who knows, you know, I'll give it one last shot and just see where this goes.
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00:11:09.360So um there was one convention that I was not tabling at, but I was like, I should go anyways to try and network with people.
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00:11:21.200And I I I made a ton of business cards, and just to sweeten the deal, I taped haichu candies on the back of every business card.
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00:11:22.799Hell yeah, give me ten of them.
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00:11:32.000And I was just like, surely people will be endeared by that, and that would be enough for them to like want to reach out to me or just you know lower their guard a little bit.
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00:11:34.559And most people were like fine with it.
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00:11:35.919Most people were like, Oh, thank you.
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00:11:37.679You know, they're very gracious about it.
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00:11:42.879Um but but one person, and I don't want to like blame them.
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00:11:44.240Maybe they were having a bad day.
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00:11:45.840Oh no, I'm nervous.
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00:11:52.399I gave them my business card, and I was just like, oh yeah, like on the back it has like a candy and everything.
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00:11:58.879And she like looks at it and she kind of glares at me, and she threw it over her shoulder.
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00:12:01.360Oh my god! What?
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00:12:08.320And I was so like, yeah, you know when someone is just like so rude to you that you don't know how to respond.
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00:12:09.679Yeah, yeah.
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00:12:11.759I I was just like flabbergasted.
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00:12:13.440What the hell?
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00:12:16.960It just like left a really bad taste in my mouth.
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00:12:25.120And um yeah, I was super just like, oh man, like I don't yeah, I don't want to deal with this anymore.
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00:12:27.759Like this is yeah, this is honestly awful.
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00:12:30.159That's really traumatizing.
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00:12:40.960Um I guess it was like a blessing in disguise because during COVID, a few years later, I made a video called uh Making Art is Hard.
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00:12:48.720And I talked about how the whole convention scene here is just like a whole mess, you know.
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00:12:57.759People make art that has like a shelf life of like two seconds, you know, they make fan art of whatever the new anime is that season.
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00:13:15.519And then if it doesn't sell, then you know, they move on to the next big thing, and then you just they just gotta keep churning stuff out, and it it really just kind of like erases the image of what an artist is is supposed to be doing, which is like, you know, pursuing what makes them happy, not what makes other people happy, you know.
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00:13:16.000Yeah.
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00:13:20.879And I I brought up the person that threw my business card away.
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00:13:21.919Yeah.
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00:13:28.000And I think that was like enough like jiciness to attract people.
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00:13:28.399Yeah.
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00:13:30.480And people like drama in that sense.
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00:13:30.799Yeah.
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00:13:34.080That was like my first video that really like made it big.
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00:13:35.440Oh, okay, okay.
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00:13:36.399So you went viral.
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00:13:46.559Uh like baby viral, like not COVID viral, but like, you know, you could still get like a a sneeze from it viral.
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00:13:48.159Yeah.
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00:13:52.399I'm so gonna steal that.
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00:13:53.840Oh my god.
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00:13:56.799It's like kindergarten viral, you know?
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00:14:00.320Or it's just like oh, so super weird.
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00:14:05.120Okay, okay, okay.
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00:14:08.639So you had this baby viral video.
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00:14:12.080Yeah, and it it kind of like gave me the confidence to keep making more.
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00:14:12.639Yeah.
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00:14:20.799Um, I mean, okay, I feel like I'd be remiss if I didn't like say that my first actual viral hit was a Rugrats themed video I made.
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00:14:24.399I think the title is Drew Pickles is trash and I can prove why.
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00:14:25.360I watched that one.
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00:14:27.120I watched that one over dinner.
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00:14:28.480I watched that one.
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00:14:29.759He is trash.
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00:14:38.000And part of me is just like, oh man, this is so embarrassing because I like I barely scripted it and I had like an awful microphone.
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00:14:40.080You can tell when my mic peeks and all of that.
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00:14:42.080Oh but people obviously connected with it.
00:14:42.240 -->
00:14:52.799Well, like I feel like that's like that such is the way of creating things online where it's just like it's always gonna be the one you least expect that you put the least amount of effort into.
00:14:53.039 -->
00:14:59.200Yeah, you know, it's just like you have like no makeup on, you're like in the middle of sneezing, and everyone's just a billion hits.
00:14:59.519 -->
00:15:01.600And we're just like, but I look ugly in that one, you know?
00:15:02.080 -->
00:15:03.919Okay, so that was technically my first hit.
00:15:04.000 -->
00:15:06.559And then my my second hit was making art is hard.
00:15:06.799 -->
00:15:11.519And after that, like it really all you need are like the two to kind of give you the confidence boost.
00:15:11.679 -->
00:15:11.919Yeah.
00:15:12.159 -->
00:15:17.840And then like every time after that, I'm just like, okay, this can do like whatever, and I'll still be like fine.
00:15:18.080 -->
00:15:18.320Yes.
00:15:18.559 -->
00:15:29.279Because yeah, because people still want to listen to me talk about the awkward interaction I had with a girl that threw the business cart away in front of me and made me feel bad.
00:15:29.519 -->
00:15:32.320Yeah, first of all, just so it's very clear, fuck that girl.
00:15:32.480 -->
00:15:32.639Yeah.
00:15:32.879 -->
00:15:37.519But also, I so appreciate you opening up with that story because it's so true.
00:15:37.679 -->
00:15:52.720It's like for people who are born to create art, it's such a burden to have to work on like all the marketing and all the like networking, and it takes away from the value of what the art is giving you and giving the world.
00:15:53.120 -->
00:15:54.559There's so much that people don't see.
00:15:54.799 -->
00:15:55.840Yes, yes, yes.
00:15:55.919 -->
00:16:05.440So I'm glad that as much as that interaction sucked, it allowed you to explore other ways where you can still hold on to that.
00:16:05.600 -->
00:16:05.759Yeah.
00:16:06.080 -->
00:16:07.039Enter your YouTube channel.
00:16:07.519 -->
00:16:20.960And it really was just like, oh my god, like I I feel like a a person again, you know, versus like I feel like even when I was like excited to make art, it always still felt like I was pretending to be a person.
00:16:21.200 -->
00:16:21.360Yeah.
00:16:21.679 -->
00:16:31.679There's a Flintstones comic that came out a few years ago, and I always like referencing it because I feel like it encapsulates the like artist strife so much.
00:16:32.080 -->
00:16:43.600So in the issue, W Wilma, the the wife, she wants to pursue an um, you know, her interests in art, and she ends up going to a um an art convention.
00:16:43.679 -->
00:16:45.600It's basically my experience.
00:16:47.679 -->
00:17:05.519Or just like people kind of ignore her, and like everyone around her is kind of like fake artists, you know, they have the like the fancy hat and they have the like cheesy vests and stuff, and she just wants to make art, and she's like preparing for this art event, and she's like trying on all these different outfits, and it's just like not her.
00:17:05.599 -->
00:17:10.000She doesn't want to like dress up who the person she thinks she needs to pretend to be is like.
00:17:10.640 -->
00:17:12.799And she's so like defeated, too.
00:17:13.119 -->
00:17:22.000She like tried on all these like clothes, like a supposedly like what a good artist is supposed to look like, and she's just exhausted after trying on all these outfits.
00:17:22.240 -->
00:17:28.720And what she says after all of that is I feel like a shallow parody of the club I want to join.
00:17:29.039 -->
00:17:34.720It seems like anytime I try to fit in, I only prove that I don't belong.
00:17:35.920 -->
00:17:45.680And I honestly I think about that quote like often because it captures what being an artist is like in modern times so well.
00:17:46.160 -->
00:17:56.480Because it's just like, oh my god, like people are so obsessed about like what the face of an artist should look like and the things that they're supposed to be into and the things they're supposed to make.
00:17:56.799 -->
00:17:57.440The aesthetic.
00:17:57.680 -->
00:18:08.799And the the aesthetic of it all, exactly, where it's just like it just kind of reaches the point where it's just like because everyone is obsessed over the same things, it kind of leads everything to become so same-y over time.
00:18:09.119 -->
00:18:21.519And and you see that at conventions too, where it's just like everything is either like uh anime of the second fan art or like quirky plant mom stickers, or like crocheted tiny animals.
00:18:22.559 -->
00:18:22.720Yeah.
00:18:22.960 -->
00:18:24.960And it's just like those are those are adorable.
00:18:25.200 -->
00:18:27.039Like, let's just be clear about that.
00:18:27.119 -->
00:18:33.839I love that stuff, but it's just like when everyone thinks that's what the experience is solely about, it's kind of icky.
00:18:34.000 -->
00:18:34.160Yeah.
00:18:34.480 -->
00:18:45.039So when um when I started making my YouTube, I kind of kept that observation in mind and was just like, okay, like I'm not gonna make things because someone tells me to.
00:18:45.599 -->
00:18:46.319Or it's trendy.
00:18:46.480 -->
00:18:47.839Yeah, or because it's trendy.
00:18:47.920 -->
00:18:59.440I'm gonna make something because I just binged like the entire series of IUs, K-drama, when life gives you tangent wounds.
00:18:59.680 -->
00:19:00.880Oh my god, I haven't watched it, I'm scared.
00:19:01.119 -->
00:19:03.200And it's so traumatizing, but so good.
00:19:03.839 -->
00:19:04.720I don't want I don't think I want to.
00:19:05.039 -->
00:19:06.640I think everyone needs to watch it.
00:19:07.039 -->
00:19:10.559It was her birthday last Friday, you didn't do anything for her.
00:19:12.079 -->
00:19:16.799But yeah, just like stuff like that, where it's just like this is gonna get like zero views, but I like it.
00:19:17.039 -->
00:19:19.279Yeah, so you're gonna like this.
00:19:19.599 -->
00:19:25.759I I absolutely love that because your art needs to feel authentic for it to be meaningful to you.
00:19:25.920 -->
00:19:31.519And actually, the whole time that you were talking about the Flintstones comic, you know what I was thinking about?
00:19:32.160 -->
00:19:46.880I was thinking about that episode of The Office where Pam displays her art at some show, and like no one from the office shows up to support her, or like I think like two people do, and then they like kind of like talk shit because it's not the best, right?
00:19:47.119 -->
00:19:53.920But then after that really you know kind of awful night for her, Michael Scott ends up showing up.
00:19:54.319 -->
00:19:59.119And like that one interaction where Pam sees, oh, one person.
00:19:59.759 -->
00:20:06.319And it was so sincere, one person saw the value of this, and it like basically made the whole night worth it.
00:20:06.640 -->
00:20:12.480And I think that's just like what I constantly have to go back to because sometimes it's so true.
00:20:12.640 -->
00:20:16.480Like, we put this show out there, we're like so obsessed with the data.
00:20:16.640 -->
00:20:18.960How many downloads, how many people are following, etc.
00:20:19.119 -->
00:20:19.359etc.
00:20:19.920 -->
00:20:25.599But then we get one person reaching out to us saying, Hey, I love what you're doing, we want to collab.
00:20:25.759 -->
00:20:28.240And it's like you forget all of it, right?
00:20:28.400 -->
00:20:34.000Because you realize, oh shoot, it doesn't matter that you know this is not viral, it's not trending or whatever.
00:20:34.480 -->
00:20:39.200But what I'm doing, what I'm putting out there is affecting someone, it's making someone think.
00:20:39.359 -->
00:20:42.240And that's like that's the whole point of you creating art.
00:20:42.319 -->
00:20:49.039It's not to make sales or whatever, it's it's really just to like open up people's world a little bit.
00:20:49.359 -->
00:20:49.759Yeah.
00:20:49.920 -->
00:20:55.519And okay, this is kind of like a jaded way of putting everything that you so beautifully worded.
00:20:56.799 -->
00:21:04.960But like, I really do feel like people are kind of like getting stupid when it comes to stuff like media literacy.
00:21:06.000 -->
00:21:08.480Like, Superman's smiling, that means he's a good guy.
00:21:08.640 -->
00:21:11.839And then all the comments are just like, oh my god, so true, so true, so true.
00:21:12.480 -->
00:21:15.759It's just like so you're here to set the record straight.
00:21:16.079 -->
00:21:17.920No, I I love that though, Gabe.
00:21:18.000 -->
00:21:24.480Thank you, thank you so much for sharing because everything you're saying about feeling authentic, I just I feel like that same exact way.
00:21:24.559 -->
00:21:26.240And exactly what Ninz was saying too.
00:21:26.400 -->
00:21:36.319It's just like whatever feels good for you and helps you connect with yourself, and then that is what inevitably connects you with other people, which is why we were so excited.
00:21:36.400 -->
00:21:44.240And you you think I kid when I say we were so excited when you reached out, but genuinely we were so so happy because like wow.
00:21:44.559 -->
00:21:47.119Oh, that makes me that makes me happy.
00:21:47.599 -->
00:21:48.480Happy and honored.
00:21:51.119 -->
00:21:59.759Someone someone who already has this like well practiced muscle of diving into media and explaining it is.
00:22:00.480 -->
00:22:03.119Seeing that, oh, that's what they're doing too.
00:22:03.359 -->
00:22:04.720Let's join forces.
00:22:05.279 -->
00:22:14.000Yeah, and and it really is like I don't want to be like real recognize real, but real recognized.
00:22:14.480 -->
00:22:16.400But not gonna stop you from doing that.
00:22:16.559 -->
00:22:16.880Please.
00:22:17.039 -->
00:22:18.240Let's be very clear.
00:22:19.200 -->
00:22:28.480Like it really is like so true though, because when I when I found out that the two of you were making a podcast, I was kind of like, well, okay, like let's see.
00:22:30.079 -->
00:22:36.880And then I'm like, and I'm just like, I'm not even a mom, but like I relate to all of us.
00:22:39.200 -->
00:22:39.839Wow.
00:22:40.400 -->
00:22:43.599I was like, okay, they they got the juice, as they say.
00:22:43.839 -->
00:22:49.119So I was like, uh, I gotta, I gotta reach out and see if they feel the same way.
00:22:49.440 -->
00:22:50.559Yeah, we do.
00:22:50.720 -->
00:22:51.039We do.
00:22:51.279 -->
00:22:52.480And that's why you're here right now.
00:22:52.720 -->
00:22:53.200Fantastic.
00:22:53.440 -->
00:22:54.480On this middle chair.
00:22:55.359 -->
00:22:57.359Thank you so much for that opening.
00:22:57.519 -->
00:22:57.920Yeah.
00:22:58.160 -->
00:23:02.240I think it's a good segue into what we have planned for this episode.
00:23:02.480 -->
00:23:02.880Yes.
00:23:03.200 -->
00:23:07.440So for this episode, Gabe gave us little homework assignments.
00:23:07.680 -->
00:23:15.119He came up, he came up with this really honestly so comprehensive list of quote unquote cryable anime.
00:23:15.519 -->
00:23:17.519And he gives little synopses of each one.
00:23:17.599 -->
00:23:21.519He was like, okay, these are all the different things that like I think that would make you all cry.
00:23:21.759 -->
00:23:23.519And we each picked one.
00:23:23.839 -->
00:23:32.640And today we're gonna share just like we always do, except now we have a third voice to give some snarky remarks.
00:23:33.759 -->
00:23:35.039An actual expert.
00:23:35.359 -->
00:23:35.680Yes.
00:23:35.920 -->
00:23:37.119I don't know about that.
00:23:38.160 -->
00:23:40.079I would say much more than us.
00:23:40.319 -->
00:23:40.880Much more than us.
00:23:41.119 -->
00:23:41.759When it comes to anime.
00:23:41.920 -->
00:23:42.000Yeah.
00:23:42.240 -->
00:23:44.240It's a little like diploma in crayon.
00:23:44.640 -->
00:23:44.880Yes.
00:23:45.680 -->
00:23:46.079Yes.
00:23:46.640 -->
00:23:48.480Graduated from here, guys, trust.
00:23:48.799 -->
00:23:50.240So that's what we're gonna do today.
00:23:50.319 -->
00:23:52.079I actually don't even know who's gonna go first.
00:23:52.240 -->
00:23:53.920I don't think it matters who goes first.
00:23:54.160 -->
00:23:58.400Alright, is yours like gonna fuck me up, fuck me up, or like?
00:23:58.720 -->
00:24:00.880Um I mean it fucked me up.
00:24:01.680 -->
00:24:04.240It was gonna fuck you up, but why?
00:24:04.400 -->
00:24:06.319Is yours gonna fuck me up?
00:24:06.720 -->
00:24:10.640I will say just like Yeah, who let's have Gabe.
00:24:10.960 -->
00:24:11.599Let's have the expert.
00:24:11.920 -->
00:24:14.000What have your first or whatever you think?
00:24:14.160 -->
00:24:14.640What do you think?
00:24:15.039 -->
00:24:20.640So before I before I even came here, I I feel like I crammed before a test.
00:24:20.880 -->
00:24:25.759Um I I re-watched both of the movies that both of you watched.
00:24:26.079 -->
00:24:30.160And I feel like one of them, my opinion of it went down a little bit.
00:24:30.559 -->
00:24:31.119Oh fucking.
00:24:31.759 -->
00:24:35.440And one of them, my opinion of it went up a little bit.
00:24:36.799 -->
00:24:39.599And like I'm talking about this like I'm the one that made the movies.
00:24:39.759 -->
00:24:44.240Like, if you don't, if either of you didn't enjoy them, feel free to just be like it was bad.
00:24:44.319 -->
00:24:45.839That was a bad recommendation.
00:24:46.240 -->
00:24:46.480No.
00:24:46.720 -->
00:24:48.400That would never come out of my mouth.
00:24:48.559 -->
00:24:49.680But yeah.
00:24:50.000 -->
00:24:51.920So we'll do your least favorite one first.
00:24:52.160 -->
00:24:52.319Okay.
00:24:52.559 -->
00:24:53.279Oh, really?
00:24:53.680 -->
00:24:56.960Wait, now I've got questions, but I feel like it's probably gonna be mine.
00:24:57.680 -->
00:25:00.559Because I both of you didn't watch the other person yesterday.
00:25:01.279 -->
00:25:01.759I did not.
00:25:01.920 -->
00:25:03.279So should we start with the the shitty one?
00:25:03.440 -->
00:25:04.640Yeah, we'll start with the shitty one.
00:25:04.880 -->
00:25:05.519I'll go first.
00:25:05.680 -->
00:25:06.000Fuck it.
00:25:06.079 -->
00:25:07.759I'm gonna change your mind game.
00:25:09.200 -->
00:25:10.480Persuasive writing.
00:25:11.039 -->
00:25:11.920All right, all right.
00:25:13.039 -->
00:25:14.000Have I been right?
00:25:14.240 -->
00:25:14.720Was it mine?
00:25:14.799 -->
00:25:14.960Okay.
00:25:15.359 -->
00:25:16.160I'm sorry.
00:25:17.200 -->
00:25:20.000I feel bad for like recommending it on the list now.
00:25:20.160 -->
00:25:24.880Dude, I've been fucking writing this movie for like my entire life, not like two weeks ago.
00:25:25.119 -->
00:25:25.920How dare you?
00:25:26.079 -->
00:25:26.400Okay.
00:25:27.119 -->
00:25:29.039So I'm wrong, and here's why.
00:25:29.200 -->
00:25:29.920Is that why?
00:25:30.000 -->
00:25:30.079Yeah.
00:25:30.240 -->
00:25:30.960Or do you want to do it?
00:25:31.200 -->
00:25:31.920No, no, no.
00:25:32.720 -->
00:25:34.480Well, just do it.
00:25:34.720 -->
00:25:35.359Let's just get into it.
00:25:35.759 -->
00:25:35.839Okay.
00:25:42.480 -->
00:25:43.039All right.
00:25:43.200 -->
00:25:46.559Let me go cover this story that Gabe does not like anymore.
00:25:46.880 -->
00:25:53.359So I pride myself on being a cultured academic of this world.
00:25:53.680 -->
00:26:02.640One who is well traveled and well read, a decent cook, and so fucking smart and so knowledgeable.
00:26:02.960 -->
00:26:04.319Yes, all true.
00:26:04.640 -->
00:26:13.119But today I stand before you both, a humble servant, a blithering idiot to the nth degree.
00:26:13.440 -->
00:26:18.000Because on this anime special, I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about.
00:26:18.240 -->
00:26:18.559Okay?
00:26:19.279 -->
00:26:32.079I am embarrassed to say that my anime education went as far as Sailor Moon, How's Moving Castle, oh yes, and my neighbor Totoro.
00:26:32.640 -->
00:26:33.759I mean those count.
00:26:34.160 -->
00:26:34.960But that's it.
00:26:35.279 -->
00:26:39.680But it's not like you're watching, like, I don't know, Ninja Turtles or something.
00:26:39.920 -->
00:26:41.359Or you're just like that's anime, right?
00:26:41.680 -->
00:26:42.799No, but like that's it.
00:26:43.039 -->
00:26:43.279Okay.
00:26:43.680 -->
00:26:44.559Like that's really it.
00:26:44.880 -->
00:26:45.440That's fine.
00:26:45.599 -->
00:26:46.319We don't judge.
00:26:46.559 -->
00:26:56.079But as much as this proves that I am, in fact, uncultured swine, I actually think it made this assignment really fun because I literally had no expectations.
00:26:56.559 -->
00:27:00.079So it was cool because I was like, all right, let's just fucking press play.
00:27:00.640 -->
00:27:01.279You know?
00:27:01.519 -->
00:27:08.319So as we mentioned, Gabe put together this incredible and super helpful list of recommendations for us to watch.
00:27:08.559 -->
00:27:20.559And on this list was a movie with the description that Gabe wrote: childhood friends that have lost contact with each other over time reminisce about the past.
00:27:21.200 -->
00:27:24.400And I thought to myself, yeah, that'll hurt.
00:27:24.559 -->
00:27:25.599That's gonna hurt.
00:27:26.319 -->
00:27:41.279So today, the student becomes the master as I anime splain the 2007 film, Five Centimeters per second, written and directed by Makoto Shinkai.
00:27:41.680 -->
00:27:41.920Okay.
00:27:42.160 -->
00:27:46.400Gabe wrote a little kukuk-ka context of his own.
00:27:46.559 -->
00:27:52.240So I'll let him read it before I fucking masterfully explain what the fuck this is about.
00:27:52.640 -->
00:28:02.960Yeah, I mean you clearly outclassed everyone here with your anime knowledge now, so So for today's Kukaka Context of five centimeters per second.
00:28:03.519 -->
00:28:13.839Uh Makoto Shinkai is one of those creators that is good at exactly one thing, but nobody cares because he's really, really good at it.
00:28:14.720 -->
00:28:32.880Uh debuting in 1999 with his five-minute short film She and Her Cat, uh, it was clear even within those five minutes that Shinkai was a master of writing melancholic characters with a deep yearning for something they can't quite put their finger on.
00:28:33.680 -->
00:28:56.160While modern audiences know him for his films Suzume, Weathering With You, and the infamously, infamously Oscar-snubbed Your Name, I would argue that none of these movies would be what they are if not for his 2007 movie 5 cm per second.
00:28:56.960 -->
00:29:04.400I've lost contact with so many people over the years, over seemingly nothing in particular.
00:29:04.720 -->
00:29:18.880So 5 centimeters per second scratches that very specific cry itch of lost loves that maybe could have worked out if only one tiny thing worked in their favor.
00:29:19.680 -->
00:29:29.039And is a reminder of the domino effect of circumstances that have to hit just right in order for people to meet.
00:29:30.319 -->
00:29:30.640Okay.
00:29:31.680 -->
00:29:36.480Alright, I did write some context too that is kind of similar to what you just said.
00:29:36.640 -->
00:29:38.319And I'm just gonna fucking reread it.
00:29:38.559 -->
00:29:38.799Good.
00:29:38.960 -->
00:29:41.759I don't have the capacity right now to rewrite on the spot.
00:29:42.000 -->
00:29:42.319Nope.
00:29:42.480 -->
00:29:42.960Fuck it.
00:29:43.119 -->
00:29:43.440Alright.
00:29:43.519 -->
00:29:46.160So here's my kuku conte kusuto.
00:29:46.480 -->
00:29:47.519Here's the better context.
00:29:47.680 -->
00:29:47.839Okay.
00:29:48.079 -->
00:29:48.799I'll I'll judge.
00:29:48.960 -->
00:29:49.680I'll be the judge.
00:29:51.200 -->
00:29:51.519Okay.
00:29:52.400 -->
00:30:04.000So the writer and director of five centimeters per second, as you mentioned, is a man named Makoto Shinkai, who is one of the most celebrated anime filmmakers in Japan.
00:30:04.400 -->
00:30:07.599Born February 9th, 1973.
00:30:07.920 -->
00:30:08.400Aquarius.
00:30:08.559 -->
00:30:10.079My dude is full-blown Aquarius.
00:30:10.240 -->
00:30:10.640Let's go.
00:30:10.720 -->
00:30:14.160Okay, and as we say about all Aquaria living in his own world.
00:30:15.279 -->
00:30:21.200But thank God he has the artistic genius to show us what that world looks like.
00:30:21.680 -->
00:30:32.079His style of animation involves these beautiful, like hand-drawn backgrounds with these like saturated colors and light patterns.
00:30:32.319 -->
00:30:36.720And in a lot of his shots, I noticed that he always emphasizes the sky.
00:30:37.119 -->
00:30:39.039Like stunning sky.
00:30:39.279 -->
00:30:50.000Whether it's a bright blue day with floating clouds or a pastel-filled sunset, or even like a snow blizzard at night, all visually stunning.
00:30:50.559 -->
00:30:50.880Okay.
00:30:51.519 -->
00:30:54.799Shinkai has created several movies over the course of his career.
00:30:55.039 -->
00:31:00.720His first short film that Gabe mentioned, the 1995 short story called Her and Her Cat.
00:31:00.880 -->
00:31:02.319I watched it because it was so short.
00:31:02.640 -->
00:31:03.599It was like five minutes.
00:31:04.240 -->
00:31:11.279Um it is the story of this boy cat who gets adopted by this woman in her 20s.
00:31:11.519 -->
00:31:13.759And the whole story is from his perspective.
00:31:13.839 -->
00:31:22.000It's like the first year of them living together, and it's like the cat is so obsessed with the woman.
00:31:22.240 -->
00:31:24.640He's like, Yeah, I'm so in love with her.
00:31:26.000 -->
00:31:28.240It's very much like a cohabitation.
00:31:28.799 -->
00:31:30.160It's like it's cute though.
00:31:30.400 -->
00:31:30.559Yeah.
00:31:30.960 -->
00:31:35.519That's every anime where it's just like on paper, it's creepy, but you watch it and it's cute.
00:31:36.720 -->
00:31:48.960But it is also moody, and there is this subtle undertone of longing and melancholy, which I think, as Gabe mentioned, again, is pretty consistent with a lot of his works.
00:31:49.279 -->
00:31:54.799So yeah, granted, I've only watched two works from him: this short story and then this film that we're about to cover.
00:31:54.960 -->
00:32:05.279But in my research, I do see that a lot of the stories that he shares centers around young people struggling to form and maintain interpersonal relationships.
00:32:05.519 -->
00:32:13.519Again, that longing, that loneliness, and overthinking and second-guessing when it comes to love and friendship.
00:32:14.160 -->
00:32:15.599It already hurts.
00:32:16.720 -->
00:32:19.119And it's about to get a lot more painful.
00:32:20.160 -->
00:32:23.759So, five centimeters per second, here we go.
00:32:24.400 -->
00:32:33.920So, this story focuses on a boy named Takaki Tono and his friendship with a girl named Akari.
00:32:34.720 -->
00:32:37.839Their tale is told in three parts.
00:32:38.160 -->
00:32:51.599Part one, entitled Cherry Blossom, opens up with Takaki and Akari as children walking home from elementary school, while cherry blossom trees drop petals all around them.
00:32:51.920 -->
00:32:58.799Akari gestures to the falling leaves and tells Takaki, look, it's five centimeters per second.
00:32:59.119 -->
00:33:00.319Cherry blossoms.
00:33:00.559 -->
00:33:02.000That's how fast they fall.
00:33:02.319 -->
00:33:04.000Five centimeters per second.
00:33:04.960 -->
00:33:06.319That's right, babes.
00:33:06.640 -->
00:33:09.119Opening lines, fucking metaphor.
00:33:09.359 -->
00:33:09.680Okay?
00:33:10.240 -->
00:33:11.759Do we know what for yet?
00:33:15.119 -->
00:33:20.799As they continue their walk home from school, Akari pulls ahead and runs down the street.
00:33:21.119 -->
00:33:27.119Takaki can't keep up with her, and before you know it, the two are on either side of a train track.
00:33:27.359 -->
00:33:29.519And then a train passes through.
00:33:29.839 -->
00:33:38.880Akari and Takaki wait for it to pass, and over the train, Akari shouts, Wouldn't it be nice to watch cherry blossoms together next spring?
00:33:39.519 -->
00:33:41.759So we're just gonna fucking watch this opening scene.
00:33:42.559 -->
00:33:43.200You gotta do it.
00:33:43.519 -->
00:33:45.200It's like the first, it's like two minutes long.
00:33:45.279 -->
00:33:45.920You have to have to.
00:33:46.160 -->
00:33:48.079It just sets the tone for the whole fucking story.
00:33:48.319 -->
00:33:48.480Yep.
00:33:48.640 -->
00:33:48.880You know?
00:33:48.960 -->
00:33:49.440Mm-hmm.
00:33:49.680 -->
00:33:50.160Alright.
00:33:50.400 -->
00:33:54.319So if I forget to press stop and we just end up watching the whole fucking hour-long thing.
00:33:54.559 -->
00:33:54.799That's fine.
00:33:55.039 -->
00:33:56.000Oh no, you know?
00:33:56.240 -->
00:33:56.559Okay.
00:34:00.559 -->
00:34:12.559So after this intro, we then see scenes of Takaki living his life, going to school, hanging out with friends, playing sports, coming home.
00:34:12.880 -->
00:34:21.280But in the background, we hear Akari's voiceover, and she's reading letters that she's wrote to him.
00:34:21.679 -->
00:34:31.840You gather after that opening scene, at the end of their school year, Akari moved away, and she and Takaki are no longer classmates at the same school.
00:34:32.159 -->
00:34:40.960So, to keep in touch, they send each other letters, updating each other about their lives, the weather, their new friends, their new hobbies.
00:34:41.280 -->
00:34:54.079We don't know exactly what Takaki says in his replies, but as we watch him go about his days, we see how meaningful these letters are from Akari.
00:34:54.559 -->
00:35:00.320He keeps them close and he spends so much time like drafting each reply.
00:35:00.639 -->
00:35:09.039And even when he's around other people, he gets this kind of quiet, distant look in his eyes, and you know that he's thinking about her.
00:35:10.400 -->
00:35:18.719Then we find out that Takaki's family will also be moving even further away at the end of the school year.
00:35:19.119 -->
00:35:29.840Knowing that Takaki and Akari will most likely never see each other again because of the distance, the two make plans to meet up one more time before Takaki moves.
00:35:30.079 -->
00:35:38.800So Takaki maps out this super long train journey he's going to make to meet Akari in her new home.
00:35:40.000 -->
00:35:49.199But on the day of his trip, as Takaki boards that first train of many to meet up with his girl, it starts to snow.
00:35:50.719 -->
00:35:56.960So, with all that time on the train, Takaki reminisces about his friendship with Akari.
00:35:57.440 -->
00:36:02.400We see flashbacks of them meeting, becoming friends at school.
00:36:02.719 -->
00:36:07.199We also see the day Akari first tells him that she's moving away.
00:36:07.760 -->
00:36:18.719And as Takaki continues this voyage, each train stop brings on more and more delays as the snowfall gets heavier and heavier.
00:36:19.679 -->
00:36:24.320Takaki then spends the next few hours just fucking quietly panicking.
00:36:24.639 -->
00:36:27.440He and Akari agreed to meet at 7 p.m.
00:36:27.679 -->
00:36:28.400I'm stressed.
00:36:28.559 -->
00:36:30.000This is pre-cell phone days, too.
00:36:30.559 -->
00:36:32.800It really is just like super stressful watching.
00:36:33.519 -->
00:36:34.639Like my hands are sweaty.
00:36:34.880 -->
00:36:35.199Okay.
00:36:35.599 -->
00:36:38.960So this is he can't just like text her and be like, oh, I'm running late.
00:36:39.199 -->
00:36:46.880So he has to just sit there and fucking pray that she's still waiting for him at the station once he finally arrives.
00:36:47.199 -->
00:36:55.920The only thing he can do to pass the time while he waits is reread this letter that he's written to Akari confessing his love for her.
00:36:56.719 -->
00:37:01.440But at this point, his transfer is delayed for hours.
00:37:01.840 -->
00:37:05.199You just hear the overhead speaker, this train is delayed.
00:37:05.280 -->
00:37:06.960You know, like I'm gonna throw up.
00:37:07.119 -->
00:37:07.440Yeah.
00:37:07.760 -->
00:37:12.159Meanwhile, the snowfall is coming down harder and harder.
00:37:12.639 -->
00:37:13.920It's it's fucked.
00:37:14.079 -->
00:37:14.400Okay.
00:37:14.800 -->
00:37:16.159Also, I feel so bad.
00:37:16.239 -->
00:37:17.599He's probably so hungry.
00:37:18.800 -->
00:37:22.000And I'm like, you know, like when you're so hungry, your breath stinks.
00:37:23.760 -->
00:37:26.320Like, oh my god, he's starving.
00:37:26.559 -->
00:37:27.440Anyway.
00:37:30.719 -->
00:37:31.519What the hell?
00:37:31.760 -->
00:37:33.119And my socks are wet.
00:37:33.199 -->
00:37:35.360It's just like a million different bad things.
00:37:35.679 -->
00:37:36.239It's bad.
00:37:36.320 -->
00:37:36.800It's bad.
00:37:36.960 -->
00:37:37.440Yeah.
00:37:37.679 -->
00:37:48.480So as Takaki runs to his last train transfer, the wind fucking picks up out of nowhere, and the letter that Takaki wrote, stop, flies out of his pocket.
00:37:48.639 -->
00:37:48.880Stop.
00:37:49.199 -->
00:37:50.320And is gone to the wind.
00:37:50.480 -->
00:37:51.519I don't want to hear this.
00:37:51.840 -->
00:37:52.320Bye.
00:37:52.480 -->
00:37:54.079You know, like bye letter.
00:37:54.239 -->
00:37:54.400Yeah.
00:37:54.639 -->
00:37:55.039You know?
00:37:55.199 -->
00:37:57.440Again, I'm fucking stressed, right?
00:37:57.679 -->
00:37:59.119But what is he gonna fucking do?
00:37:59.280 -->
00:38:00.480Like, write a new one.
00:38:00.559 -->
00:38:03.760No, it took him like four months to write to the letter.
00:38:05.039 -->
00:38:05.920Anyway.
00:38:07.119 -->
00:38:10.960Finally, finally, finally, at 11 p.m.
00:38:11.199 -->
00:38:12.719No! 11 p.m.
00:38:12.960 -->
00:38:15.119Actually, I think it was like 11.15 p.m.
00:38:15.599 -->
00:38:16.639Even worse.
00:38:17.119 -->
00:38:21.760He arrives at the station four hours late.
00:38:22.079 -->
00:38:27.360And yet, there is Akari waiting for him in the lobby.
00:38:28.159 -->
00:38:35.679They tearfully reunite and then have a simple yet delicious dinner in the train station that she makes him.
00:38:36.320 -->
00:38:43.199As they walk towards Akari's town in the dead of night, they pause in front of a huge cherry blossom tree.
00:38:43.679 -->
00:38:46.000But it's winter, so the tree is bare.
00:38:46.880 -->
00:38:54.639Under this tree, they share a sweet kiss as the snowflakes ball down on them.
00:38:55.519 -->
00:38:57.599So let's watch this scene.
00:38:58.000 -->
00:39:02.000And the scenes after, all the way till Takaki leaves the next morning.
00:39:02.159 -->
00:39:04.800And this is at the 2153 mark.
00:39:08.639 -->
00:39:12.320So I just played these scenes for RNC Gabe.
00:39:13.440 -->
00:39:23.360And as they share this long-awaited magical kiss, all of these thoughts run through Takaki's mind.
00:39:23.599 -->
00:39:30.960And his voiceover says, and right then it felt like I finally understood where everything was.
00:39:31.280 -->
00:39:33.920Eternity, the heart, the soul.
00:39:34.079 -->
00:39:38.800It was like I was sharing every experience I'd ever had in my 13 years.
00:39:39.039 -->
00:39:43.679And then, the next moment, I became unbearably sad.
00:39:44.079 -->
00:39:48.480I didn't know what to do with these feelings, her warmth, her soul.
00:39:48.800 -->
00:39:50.960How was I supposed to treat them?
00:39:51.280 -->
00:39:53.039That I did not know.
00:39:53.440 -->
00:39:58.639And right then I clearly understood that we would never be together.
00:39:58.960 -->
00:40:07.199Our lives not yet fully realized, the vast expanse of time, they lay before us, and there was nothing we could do.
00:40:07.679 -->
00:40:13.039But then all my worries, all my doubt started melting away.
00:40:13.280 -->
00:40:17.039All that was left were Akari's soft lips on mine.
00:40:19.280 -->
00:40:24.159The two then share the night at a little shack they find down the road.
00:40:25.119 -->
00:40:32.719Supposedly they talk and talk and talk and then fall asleep in each other's arms.
00:40:33.119 -->
00:40:35.760And that is what I will choose to believe happened.
00:40:36.320 -->
00:40:36.639Okay.
00:40:37.039 -->
00:40:37.679Nothing else.
00:40:37.920 -->
00:40:38.639Nothing else.
00:40:39.599 -->
00:40:43.039And then Takaki heads home the next morning.
00:40:43.920 -->
00:40:55.599Akari stands outside his train and she kind of hesitates and she says, Hey Takaki, I I think I think you're gonna be okay.
00:40:56.079 -->
00:40:56.960I know you will.
00:40:57.039 -->
00:40:57.599I know it.
00:40:58.079 -->
00:41:00.239Which is like kind of weird.
00:41:00.960 -->
00:41:07.760But as the train pulls away, we see her pull out a letter from her bone bag.
00:41:08.400 -->
00:41:15.280A letter that she intended to give to Takaki, but then ultimately decided not to.
00:41:15.920 -->
00:41:21.440Which I think is pretty telling because in Takaki's case, he didn't have a choice.
00:41:21.599 -->
00:41:27.840The letter flew out of his hands, whereas Akari made the conscious decision not to give this letter.
00:41:28.880 -->
00:41:31.280But that brings us to the end of part one.
00:41:32.159 -->
00:41:37.280So then we start off with part two, which is called Cosmonaut.
00:41:38.000 -->
00:41:46.880And it opens up a few years later, showing Takaki as a high school kid in his new town of Kagushima.
00:41:47.599 -->
00:41:59.519We are introduced to a new character, a girl named Kanai, who is one of Takaki's classmates, and she has this huge fucking crush on him in Lerve.
00:42:00.239 -->
00:42:00.800Massive.
00:42:01.280 -->
00:42:01.840Massive.
00:42:02.079 -->
00:42:02.400Okay.
00:42:02.880 -->
00:42:25.039The two are friends, but no matter how many hints Kanai tries to give him and how much she tries to gain the courage to confess her feelings, Takaki is so fucking oblivious and so emotionally unavailable because his mind and heart are always somewhere else.
00:42:25.440 -->
00:42:28.159Kanai is also really different from Akari.
00:42:28.719 -->
00:42:34.559While Akari is thoughtful and straightforward, Kanai is kind of scattered.
00:42:34.800 -->
00:42:36.880Like, almost like this free spirit.
00:42:37.760 -->
00:42:43.920Even though they're seniors in high school, she has no idea what the fuck she wants to do after she graduates.
00:42:44.159 -->
00:42:51.599She spends her days kind of with her head in the clouds, trying to learn how to surf and honestly just like trying to get Takaki's attention.
00:42:52.000 -->
00:42:58.800Like one evening, she sees Takaki sitting atop a hill looking at his phone.
00:42:58.960 -->
00:43:05.920She joins him and the two talk about their futures, what they're gonna do after graduation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:43:06.159 -->
00:43:17.519On their way home, they come across this huge cargo truck carrying pieces of a Japanese space shuttle that's being launched sometime that year.
00:43:17.840 -->
00:43:24.000They look at it and wonder while Takaki tells her, it's going to the edge of the solar system.
00:43:24.400 -->
00:43:25.920It will take years.
00:43:26.159 -->
00:43:30.079Essentially, there's like this Japanese space shuttle that's going to be launched into the sky.
00:43:31.039 -->
00:43:36.079That night, in his room, Takaki continues thinking about this spaceship.
00:43:36.480 -->
00:43:38.079I can't even picture that.
00:43:38.239 -->
00:43:53.360It must be an unimaginably lonely trip, cutting straight through the darkness of truth to the point where you can't even find a single hydrogen atom desperately reaching for the secrets of a world at the edge of all that blackness.
00:43:53.599 -->
00:43:56.719How far will we go to find those answers?
00:43:56.960 -->
00:43:58.960How far can we go?
00:44:00.320 -->
00:44:06.400A few months go by, and Kanai tries to muster up the courage to again confess her feelings.
00:44:06.480 -->
00:44:09.599She's like, today is the fucking day I have to do this.
00:44:10.079 -->
00:44:10.559Every day.
00:44:10.800 -->
00:44:11.360She wakes up.
00:44:12.719 -->
00:44:17.840So on this day, Takaki and Kanai are walking home together from school.
00:44:18.400 -->
00:44:23.519And Kanai just starts crying because she just can't do it.
00:44:24.079 -->
00:44:29.760And in that moment, as Takaki tries to comfort her and ask her, like, yo, are you okay?
00:44:29.920 -->
00:44:30.719What's wrong?
00:44:30.880 -->
00:44:33.119Again, my guy's fucking clueless.
00:44:33.440 -->
00:44:34.480No idea.
00:44:34.800 -->
00:44:37.360Because he's hung up on this other chick.
00:44:38.320 -->
00:44:43.440The rocket they talked about before launches up into space.
00:44:43.679 -->
00:44:49.599And Takaki and Kanai stop their conversation and just stare at it and wonder.
00:44:50.559 -->
00:44:55.599So let's watch this scene, which starts at the 44-minute mark.
00:44:55.920 -->
00:44:59.920It feels like so much more meaningful when you say it versus when I watched it.
00:45:00.239 -->
00:45:02.239Oh, not me convincing you.
00:45:02.480 -->
00:45:04.000Yeah, but actually.
00:45:08.400 -->
00:45:09.519Oh my god.
00:45:11.440 -->
00:45:17.039Also, are we just like casually seeing like the northern lights constantly?
00:45:17.199 -->
00:45:17.599What?
00:45:17.760 -->
00:45:21.599No, literally, the sky in this movie, it's crazy.
00:45:21.920 -->
00:45:22.239Stunning.
00:45:22.480 -->
00:45:23.760I'm like, relax.
00:45:23.920 -->
00:45:24.480Yeah, you know?
00:45:24.719 -->
00:45:27.280And that's his like thing for all of his movies.
00:45:28.719 -->
00:45:29.039Okay.
00:45:29.599 -->
00:45:39.360So in this moment, watching Takaki stare up at the sky, Kanai has this epiphany, and we hear her voice over Sari.
00:45:40.480 -->
00:45:51.840Desperately, recklessly, reaching our hands to the sky, launching something so massive, staring at something so far away you can't even imagine.
00:45:52.320 -->
00:45:57.199I think I understood then why Takaki was so different from other people.
00:45:57.840 -->
00:46:05.440And at the same time, I knew, without a doubt, that Takaki was definitely not looking at me.
00:46:06.079 -->
00:46:10.400That's the reason I couldn't tell him all the things I wanted to that day.
00:46:10.719 -->
00:46:12.639Takaki is kind to me.
00:46:12.880 -->
00:46:14.480He's very nice to me.
00:46:14.719 -->
00:46:16.400But he couldn't see me.
00:46:16.719 -->
00:46:22.400He was always looking right past me at something very, very far away.
00:46:23.679 -->
00:46:30.800And obviously, there is such a mirror to the way that part two and part one end, right?
00:46:30.960 -->
00:46:37.440This realization that for whatever reason this coupling is not going to work.
00:46:38.159 -->
00:46:41.760Even though they're the movie poster, that's the shot they use in the movie poster.
00:46:42.079 -->
00:46:42.480Is it?
00:46:42.800 -->
00:46:43.599Oh, I didn't realize that.
00:46:44.000 -->
00:46:44.880Which is kind of like curious.
00:46:45.039 -->
00:46:53.840I think actually I think they they make it a little bit vague on purpose, where it's like it's clearly the um the the like space thing being shot up.
00:46:54.079 -->
00:46:54.239Yeah.
00:46:54.559 -->
00:46:57.760But um the girl next to Takaki is holding an umbrella.
00:46:58.320 -->
00:47:02.320So you're like, oh, is this the same scene or is it a different time?
00:47:02.639 -->
00:47:04.880Like they make it as the on fire does.
00:47:05.280 -->
00:47:05.599Yeah.
00:47:05.920 -->
00:47:06.800I got you.
00:47:07.119 -->
00:47:17.599Um, but it is interesting because the way that Kanai finishes this realization is a little bit more accepting.
00:47:17.840 -->
00:47:25.039Whereas when Takaki had his realization, he was like, but at the end of it, all I feel are Akari slips on mine.
00:47:25.199 -->
00:47:29.039There is still that hope at the end.
00:47:29.360 -->
00:47:30.559It's like lingering hope.
00:47:31.199 -->
00:47:31.760Exactly.
00:47:32.239 -->
00:47:35.199Whereas part two, a little bit different.
00:47:35.440 -->
00:47:35.760Okay.
00:47:36.079 -->
00:47:40.639And thus begins part three, called five centimeters per second.
00:47:41.199 -->
00:47:46.800Takaki is now a full-blown adult living in Tokyo.
00:47:47.360 -->
00:47:51.519It's springtime again with the cherry blossoms at full bloom.
00:47:52.400 -->
00:48:01.360One day, walking through the city, he passes by that same train track that he and Akari got separated at when they were kids.
00:48:01.920 -->
00:48:07.360And as he walks across it, a woman walks past him in the opposite direction.
00:48:08.239 -->
00:48:13.519Once over the tracks, Takaki pauses and he's like, Holy fucking shit.
00:48:14.639 -->
00:48:15.280No way.
00:48:16.639 -->
00:48:17.280Is that?
00:48:18.159 -->
00:48:24.000But as he turns around to get a second look at the woman's face, a train passes through.
00:48:24.400 -->
00:48:26.960Shut the fuck up and blocks his view.
00:48:28.400 -->
00:48:32.079We then see snippets of Takaki's life in Tokyo.
00:48:32.400 -->
00:48:34.880He works at his boring desk job.
00:48:35.440 -->
00:48:39.280We see that he's in a relationship that he does not give a fuck about.
00:48:39.519 -->
00:48:41.840He's like constantly ignoring her calls.
00:48:42.159 -->
00:48:44.159And you see the girl too.
00:48:44.719 -->
00:48:46.159She's like messed up.
00:48:46.719 -->
00:48:48.719She's like homely, also.
00:48:49.199 -->
00:48:51.519So you feel super bad.
00:48:52.000 -->
00:48:54.480I'm like, why can't they make her cute?
00:48:54.719 -->
00:48:57.519She's kind of like frumpy with glasses, girl.
00:48:58.000 -->
00:48:59.440Just like the copy dude.
00:49:03.440 -->
00:49:05.679She's sending these over like a flip phone, too.
00:49:05.760 -->
00:49:07.920Do you know how difficult that is to type?
00:49:08.159 -->
00:49:09.360And like how expensive.
00:49:09.840 -->
00:49:12.800We were not unlimited messages in 2007.
00:49:13.119 -->
00:49:13.280Okay.
00:49:14.480 -->
00:49:15.360Anyway.
00:49:16.000 -->
00:49:23.599His entire existence is tinged with this layer of sadness and unfulfillment.
00:49:24.159 -->
00:49:28.079And then we abruptly cut to Akari.
00:49:29.360 -->
00:49:31.360Beautiful, stunning woman.
00:49:31.440 -->
00:49:31.760Of course.
00:49:32.000 -->
00:49:37.199Who is so full of life and excitement, happy, healthy, whole.
00:49:37.519 -->
00:49:42.079She's heading to Tokyo to see her fiance.
00:49:42.639 -->
00:49:43.440No, I knew it.
00:49:43.760 -->
00:49:44.639I know it.
00:49:45.760 -->
00:49:51.119And as she sits on the train on her way to Tokyo, she reminisces about Takaki.
00:49:52.079 -->
00:49:56.559The night before, she finds the letter that she meant to give him.
00:49:57.119 -->
00:50:01.920So this makes her remember that one night that they spent together talking.
00:50:03.280 -->
00:50:09.840But there is such a contrast in the way that she recalls these memories from the way that Takaki does.
00:50:10.079 -->
00:50:18.639While Takaki feels longing and yearning, Akari looks back with fondness and lightness.
00:50:20.559 -->
00:50:24.079We cut to Takaki, who's fucking down bad.
00:50:25.920 -->
00:50:27.199This poor man.
00:50:27.760 -->
00:50:29.280I hate my life.
00:50:29.440 -->
00:50:31.039I'm sad, you know?
00:50:31.199 -->
00:50:31.760Yeah.
00:50:32.320 -->
00:50:37.280So straight up, let's just watch the last fucking seven minutes of this whole thing.
00:50:38.079 -->
00:50:38.800Alright, fuck it.
00:50:38.880 -->
00:50:39.360I don't care.
00:50:39.519 -->
00:50:40.960We're just gonna watch this whole fucking thing.
00:50:41.360 -->
00:50:41.599Sure.
00:50:41.760 -->
00:50:41.920Okay.
00:50:47.679 -->
00:50:48.079What?
00:50:52.159 -->
00:50:56.880Okay, so we just fucking watched the entire ending.
00:50:57.039 -->
00:50:58.559I did not give a fuck.
00:50:58.880 -->
00:51:02.960And at the start of the ending, we see Takaki being all mopey.
00:51:03.599 -->
00:51:15.840He says, as I went about my life, bits of sadness piled up here and there on the washed sheets, on the toothbrush by the sink, on the cell phone's call history.
00:51:16.480 -->
00:51:19.679For the last few years, I wanted to move on.
00:51:19.920 -->
00:51:25.360I was reaching for something I couldn't have, but I didn't know what I was reaching for.
00:51:25.599 -->
00:51:31.199I couldn't figure out where these thoughts came from, why they were threatening me like this.
00:51:31.440 -->
00:51:33.440So I just kept on working.
00:51:33.840 -->
00:51:38.639It was hard, and I could feel my mind losing its edge day after day.
00:51:38.880 -->
00:51:43.119One morning I realized I lost all the ambition I had.
00:51:43.280 -->
00:51:46.880Whatever kept me going was now completely gone.
00:51:47.920 -->
00:51:52.880So then we jumped to a fucking fire flame banger song.
00:51:53.119 -->
00:51:58.800I actually did not, I should have taken down the name of the song, but um we basically watch a music video.
00:51:59.280 -->
00:52:04.000And in the music video, we see snippets of every character in this whole movie.
00:52:04.079 -->
00:52:05.679We see snippets of their life throughout the side.
00:52:05.840 -->
00:52:07.519It's like an afterword type of thing.
00:52:07.920 -->
00:52:11.679Basically, you kind of piece together what ended up happening to all these different characters.
00:52:12.320 -->
00:52:21.360And the lyrics of the song, I didn't write them all down, but basically the message of the song is that no matter where I look, I'm basically looking for you.
00:52:21.920 -->
00:52:36.400All of these things that have happened to Takaki and Akari since time and circumstance pulled them apart, and we see how differently each of them chose to respond to what life had to throw at them.
00:52:37.360 -->
00:52:53.199This all culminates into the final scene where Takaki is once again standing in front of this moving train, wondering if he'll see who he thinks he'll see, waiting for him on the other side.
00:52:54.320 -->
00:52:59.599The train rushes past him, cherry blossoms falling down all around him.
00:53:00.400 -->
00:53:06.239And as the train finally clears, waiting on the other side is no one.
00:53:07.519 -->
00:53:09.119Akari is not there.
00:53:09.840 -->
00:53:14.239She kept on walking, no longer looking back at the past.
00:53:16.480 -->
00:53:23.519On Takaki's face as he realizes that she's not there is a small grin.
00:53:24.800 -->
00:53:26.719And then he keeps on walking.
00:53:27.519 -->
00:53:29.920And then the story fucking ends.
00:53:33.440 -->
00:53:39.039This is exactly the type of movie that does not click until you get to the very end.
00:53:39.360 -->
00:53:44.239And even then, if you're kind of dumb like me, you kind of have to like re-watch it multiple times.
00:53:44.400 -->
00:53:47.199Like the first time I watched it, I was like, huh! Right?
00:53:47.360 -->
00:53:50.159And then I had to put the story together and I was like, wait.
00:53:51.440 -->
00:53:58.000The first scene of this movie tells us the speed at which cherry blossoms fall.
00:53:58.559 -->
00:54:02.239Five centimeters per second until they finally hit the ground.
00:54:03.039 -->
00:54:04.239But that's the thing.
00:54:04.639 -->
00:54:06.000It's always falling.
00:54:06.239 -->
00:54:07.599It's always descending.
00:54:08.480 -->
00:54:13.920The same way that distance will always pull Takaki and Akari apart.
00:54:14.719 -->
00:54:16.400There is an ending to it.
00:54:16.960 -->
00:54:20.639But Takaki refuses to see the cherry blossoms.
00:54:21.280 -->
00:54:27.280He can only see the snowflakes that surrounded them that night that they kissed, frozen in time.
00:54:28.960 -->
00:54:37.840We see how this obsession with the past, this longing for something he knows he can't have, stops him from fully living.
00:54:38.719 -->
00:54:40.880He can't see what's right in front of him.
00:54:41.119 -->
00:54:46.159He turns away from other loves, other means of connection, other sources of joy.
00:54:46.719 -->
00:54:48.239And it ruins him.
00:54:48.559 -->
00:54:52.159This endless, fruitless journey into the blackness.
00:54:53.679 -->
00:54:57.519And I think that's why I was so overcome at this ending.
00:54:58.079 -->
00:55:07.280Because you can feel your heart pounding in the same way that Takaki's must have been, just waiting and wondering if you're gonna see Akari on the other side.
00:55:08.480 -->
00:55:17.840And when she's not there, and he smiles to himself, it's like you feel his relief.
00:55:18.880 -->
00:55:22.559Like, oh my god, this can now end.
00:55:23.440 -->
00:55:30.719All this yearning, all this longing and wondering and hoping, it's finally hit the ground and I can move on.
00:55:32.079 -->
00:55:38.239I know that we're accustomed to thinking that happy endings only happen when the couple gets together at the end.
00:55:38.639 -->
00:55:42.159But we all know that Makoto Shinkai is built different.
00:55:42.400 -->
00:55:51.440Because at the end of this story of his, we see Takaki leave behind the past and instead walk towards a new beginning.
00:55:52.000 -->
00:55:57.360And I like to think he walks towards it at five centimeters per second.
00:56:04.880 -->
00:56:07.440This is the best movie, best Shinkai movie.
00:56:07.679 -->
00:56:08.559Oh my god.
00:56:09.599 -->
00:56:19.199It is so tragic, but hearing you bring it back full circle, like the smile at the end, the release.
00:56:19.599 -->
00:56:21.360Fucking smile at the end.
00:56:22.480 -->
00:56:27.360I feel like it's tragic the whole time until the end.
00:56:27.840 -->
00:56:28.400That's true.
00:56:28.880 -->
00:56:33.519There's never like a moment for you to breathe and be like, oh, they're happy again.
00:56:33.599 -->
00:56:38.480Like it's always either like neutral or somebody is like bringing down the mood.
00:56:38.719 -->
00:56:39.199Yeah.
00:56:39.440 -->
00:56:56.159And also, can I just say that I feel like Akari, when she's looking at the letter again and thinking of Takaki, she thinks of Takaki the same way someone would think of a really good sandwich they ate in the past.
00:56:57.360 -->
00:57:03.760There is an emotional like connection to it, but it's it's different from the initial when they were 13.
00:57:04.159 -->
00:57:04.800No, exactly.
00:57:05.599 -->
00:57:22.079But I feel like in the same way that Takaki had this realization while they kissed that they were never gonna be together, she probably also realized the same thing, but did not leave that open-endedness, which is why I think she didn't give him the letter.
00:57:22.159 -->
00:57:29.039Yeah, she chose not to give the letter, but he he didn't have the chance to, so so he clings on to it.
00:57:29.280 -->
00:57:29.760Oh my gosh.
00:57:30.000 -->
00:57:32.559I just under you just explained the movie to me.
00:57:33.119 -->
00:57:35.760It's like he didn't have the option to make that choice.
00:57:36.159 -->
00:57:37.19910 out of 10 movie.
00:57:37.440 -->
00:57:39.440I was being I was being dumb, guys.
00:57:39.679 -->
00:57:40.480My bad.
00:57:40.800 -->
00:57:47.840Oh, so he didn't have the closure the way she did, the way she so intentionally closed that chapter for herself.
00:57:48.000 -->
00:57:48.320Yeah.
00:57:48.559 -->
00:57:54.639He was not given the option to even Kanai had the option to be like, okay, like he doesn't love me anymore.
00:57:54.800 -->
00:58:00.079I need to focus on me outside of who this person could be.
00:58:01.039 -->
00:58:05.679But all those years later, he finally got what he needed to move on.
00:58:07.280 -->
00:58:08.400Oh my god.
00:58:08.960 -->
00:58:24.960I I that's fascinating the way you said it's like the different ways people respond to like these these events in their lives, the way some people cling and some people I mean, not like she didn't give him a second thought, Akari, but like clearly like it's a thing of the past.
00:58:25.280 -->
00:58:25.679Wow.
00:58:27.360 -->
00:58:27.679Right?
00:58:27.920 -->
00:58:38.800But and it's it's just so it's so heartbreaking to see that this obsession with the past just stops him from realizing the now.
00:58:39.119 -->
00:58:39.440Yeah.
00:58:39.599 -->
00:58:51.199Look at all of these like people that were ready to be his love, and he couldn't see that because he was so fixed on this one thing that he knew he couldn't have.
00:58:52.400 -->
00:58:53.840That's so real though.
00:58:54.000 -->
00:59:00.320I mean, that is what stops us from living, like whether or not this is your situation, like the fixation on the past.
00:59:00.480 -->
00:59:00.960Yeah.
00:59:01.360 -->
00:59:05.679And I think it like hurts more too because you see them since they were like tiny, tiny.
00:59:06.079 -->
00:59:12.559Because it's just like even before they kiss, you see that they were growing up together when they're like, I don't know, like eight or nine.
00:59:13.039 -->
00:59:18.480So it's just like, oh my god, this this poor man has had this like longing so long.
00:59:18.800 -->
00:59:19.360Yeah.
00:59:19.599 -->
00:59:28.239That that he could never really like put a bookend to until like I don't want to say until it was too late, but yeah.
00:59:28.480 -->
00:59:32.639Uh you don't like to see a life wasted like that, you know.
00:59:33.599 -->
00:59:38.719That's why that's why I don't view it as like uh God, I can't believe it took this long.
00:59:38.880 -->
00:59:41.280I'm just happy that it finally happened.
00:59:41.679 -->
00:59:45.599Like, I think that's why that's small, and it's so subtle, it's so quick too.
00:59:45.920 -->
00:59:50.480Like the last shot of Takaki's face as he's walking away from the stop where she's not there.
00:59:50.719 -->
01:00:04.719It's just the subtlest smile, and it means so much because you can imagine, like, as frustrated as you are as an audience member, like watching him waste away, it's like, oh my god, we can finally be done.
01:00:04.800 -->
01:00:06.079Yeah, you know, yeah.
01:00:06.239 -->
01:00:10.960And I think he he realizes it in that moment, like it's over.
01:00:11.199 -->
01:00:19.599And and like credit to Shinkai and the other animators for like injecting that amount of subtlety to the smile as well.
01:00:19.760 -->
01:00:19.920Yeah.
01:00:20.159 -->
01:00:33.199Where it's just like, I feel like a lot of this movie could be like an animation student's like submission for like a final or something, where it's just like, okay, this is a bird, this is the different angles that it can fly at, and it's really cool, and you should hire me.
01:00:33.360 -->
01:00:48.719Yeah, but then you see the like the smaller moments as well, where it's just like, oh my god, this is a drawing, but for me, I process that as a person that almost smiled and he looked back and he he stopped himself from looking back at it after a certain point after so many years.
01:00:48.880 -->
01:00:56.239It's just like, oh, that hurts, but I love the ending.
01:00:56.480 -->
01:00:56.800Right?
01:00:56.960 -->
01:00:57.760I love it.
01:00:57.920 -->
01:01:09.199And I think that it's one of those endings that you are at first, you're like, oh, I don't like that, but then you sit with it and you go, No, that was gorgeous, that was brilliant.
01:01:09.440 -->
01:01:10.400That was 500 days of summer.
01:01:10.639 -->
01:01:11.360No, that's what I was thinking.
01:01:11.679 -->
01:01:12.320That's what I was thinking.
01:01:12.480 -->
01:01:14.559I kind of love when couples don't end up together.
01:01:14.639 -->
01:01:14.800Yeah.
01:01:15.039 -->
01:01:21.840I mean, I think there's also just this kind of pop culture understanding that the only happy ending has to end with a couple.
01:01:22.079 -->
01:01:22.559Exactly.
01:01:22.960 -->
01:01:30.960I was actually thinking about this the other day where it's just like, I feel like friends has ruined sitcom couples forever.
01:01:31.360 -->
01:01:41.840Because before friends, the kind of power couple that people talked about on TV show sitcoms, at least in America, was um Cheers.
01:01:42.079 -->
01:01:42.400Okay.
01:01:42.960 -->
01:01:46.800And that couple doesn't get together at the end.
01:01:47.280 -->
01:01:56.400And because Cheers did so well, the the spin-off Fraser came out, and you kind of get to see the dynamic explored even more.
01:01:56.719 -->
01:02:06.239So it's just like literal like decades of American TV is just them kind of picking apart the idea of like you don't need to be a couple to have your happy ending.
01:02:06.400 -->
01:02:06.639Right.
01:02:06.800 -->
01:02:09.280There are other options that you can pick and choose.
01:02:09.519 -->
01:02:18.800And then here comes friends, like thinking it's the most badass shit in the world, just because it's got five handsome white people.
01:02:19.360 -->
01:02:19.760Six.
01:02:21.119 -->
01:02:25.599Well, one of them's kind of homely.
01:02:25.920 -->
01:02:27.440One of them's got a homely face.
01:02:27.840 -->
01:02:29.679We'll let you decide who we're talking about.
01:02:30.880 -->
01:02:31.840No, but I feel you.
01:02:32.000 -->
01:02:32.480I feel you.
01:02:32.800 -->
01:02:38.000Right, where it's just like, oh my god, like what other times do we see the couple not end up together?
01:02:38.079 -->
01:02:41.199Like, it's like it's so rare that I remember 500 days of summer.
01:02:41.440 -->
01:02:41.679Exactly.
01:02:41.760 -->
01:02:47.840Like that's why I was so impactful because of how it changed the way that I realized movies could end.
01:02:48.079 -->
01:02:50.880And the more I watched it, the more I watched the ending, the more I loved it.
01:02:51.119 -->
01:02:51.760Right, exactly.
01:02:51.920 -->
01:02:53.440This was the same exact.
01:02:54.800 -->
01:02:55.440Ooh.
01:02:56.239 -->
01:02:56.960Thank you for that.
01:02:57.119 -->
01:02:57.679That was beautiful.
01:02:58.000 -->
01:02:59.519Thank you, Gabe, for recommending it to me.
01:02:59.599 -->
01:03:00.559It would never have crossed.
01:03:01.440 -->
01:03:03.440Thank you for changing my mind on it.
01:03:03.679 -->
01:03:11.679It I was absolutely ready to just have to film an apology video, like YouTube style, just like I made a mistake, everyone.
01:03:12.960 -->
01:03:14.400No, I thought it was really great.
01:03:14.639 -->
01:03:15.119I'm glad.
01:03:15.199 -->
01:03:15.679I'm so glad.
01:03:16.639 -->
01:03:19.840I think it it really is one of those things that you have to really sit with.
01:03:20.079 -->
01:03:20.239Yeah.
01:03:20.400 -->
01:03:20.639Yes.
01:03:20.880 -->
01:03:23.840You can't just watch it one time and be like, yeah, I didn't get it.
01:03:24.000 -->
01:03:24.159You know.
01:03:24.480 -->
01:03:32.559You have to like and and I think that that's also kind of the thing that Shinkai has mastered over the years, where I don't want to say his movies have gotten shorter.
01:03:32.639 -->
01:03:35.199If if anything, I'm pretty sure they've gotten longer.
01:03:35.599 -->
01:03:39.039But he has also dabbled in doing commercial work.
01:03:39.199 -->
01:03:39.360Yeah.
01:03:39.840 -->
01:03:41.599It'll be like one minute or two minutes.
01:03:41.760 -->
01:03:49.519And they even though they're like advertising something, you're essentially watching like a two-minute equivalent of five centimeters per second.
01:03:50.000 -->
01:03:54.960And and that's actually what I wanted you guys to watch just now.
01:03:55.440 -->
01:04:00.000Oh the the thing I texted, uh a mystery link.
01:04:00.320 -->
01:04:01.840A mystery link, okay.
01:04:03.039 -->
01:04:03.920A commercial?
01:04:04.159 -->
01:04:04.800It's a commercial.
01:04:05.360 -->
01:04:05.519What?
01:04:05.599 -->
01:04:07.519It's a commercial for like cram schools.
01:04:07.679 -->
01:04:08.079Oh my god.
01:04:08.400 -->
01:04:09.119Oh my god.
01:04:09.599 -->
01:04:10.239What?
01:04:10.960 -->
01:04:14.639Oh my god, that was so like dramatic.
01:04:14.960 -->
01:04:15.519Right?
01:04:16.079 -->
01:04:24.239So so what I just convinced both of the Cry gals to watch just now was a a glorified commercial for Z Kai.
01:04:24.960 -->
01:04:30.159A from the looks of it, it's like a cram school that you can take from home.
01:04:30.480 -->
01:04:31.280Okay, got it.
01:04:31.440 -->
01:04:55.360But it's basically a two-minute commercial for this service, and the entire animation is again done and written by Shinkai himself, the master of pitting two people that you think will never meet, having them meet, and having you question whether or not they'll get together, even though you know that he has a horrible track record of having them get together.
01:04:55.760 -->
01:04:56.400Wow.
01:04:56.800 -->
01:05:10.320Well, I wanted to ask you is that you having seen five centimeters per second, do you think his works have matured at all when comparing to the two-minute commercial?
01:05:10.800 -->
01:05:13.840Wait, was that two-minute commercial afternoon?
01:05:13.920 -->
01:05:16.159Yeah, it came out like very, very recently.
01:05:16.239 -->
01:05:19.920Oh, like within the last five years, I want to say.
01:05:36.559 -->
01:05:44.079Like when you say maturity, that makes me think that there needs to be some sort of growth.
01:05:44.639 -->
01:05:49.039But I don't know if that necessarily makes you a bad or good storyteller.
01:05:49.360 -->
01:05:54.320Because I think I think that was a trick.
01:05:54.480 -->
01:05:54.639No.
01:05:55.119 -->
01:06:11.360I think that no matter when or Where you watch this kind of story, it will always be a universal experience of like something not working out and feeling some sort of way about it.
01:06:11.840 -->
01:06:21.840And I don't necessarily think that for an artist to feel drawn to tell stories about the same thing makes you like a hack.
01:06:22.480 -->
01:06:29.039Yeah, it makes you because that is kind of the take that people keep kind of poking fun at Shane High.
01:06:32.320 -->
01:06:33.039I see, I see.
01:06:33.280 -->
01:06:34.320But I yeah, I don't know.
01:06:34.400 -->
01:06:41.840I mean, I think from an audience perspective, I can get why that is a critique because it's like, oh, I know how this is gonna end.
01:06:42.079 -->
01:06:46.639But I think from a feelings and meaning perspective, I think that's fine.
01:06:47.280 -->
01:06:49.440Everything boils down to love anyway.
01:06:49.599 -->
01:06:50.480So it doesn't really matter.
01:06:50.960 -->
01:06:52.079That's what this podcast is all about.
01:06:52.159 -->
01:06:53.519You know, good answer, good answer.
01:06:54.079 -->
01:06:56.159I think I think I will let him be.
01:06:56.239 -->
01:07:00.639If that's what he feels compelled to let him go care, please.
01:07:01.039 -->
01:07:04.880Let him felt that's what I would say.
01:07:05.199 -->
01:07:06.239That is a good answer.
01:07:06.400 -->
01:07:10.159I wasn't expecting such once again.
01:07:10.320 -->
01:07:12.559I am here being being mistaken.
01:07:13.119 -->
01:07:14.159Fucking dumb as hell.
01:07:14.400 -->
01:07:17.280So let's just prove him wrong over and over again.
01:07:17.679 -->
01:07:19.119Time and time again.
01:07:25.199 -->
01:07:30.639You guys, we just talked for like literally, we've been here for two plus hours now, and we've only covered one story.
01:07:30.880 -->
01:07:32.000It's a tragedy.
01:07:32.320 -->
01:07:41.280So, with that said, we have made the executive decision to actually break up this collab into two episodes.
01:07:41.440 -->
01:07:42.159Lucky you.
01:07:42.400 -->
01:07:43.039Lucky you.
01:07:43.920 -->
01:07:52.719So we're gonna end it here for today, and we'll be back very, very soon with Arns' coverage of her anime.
01:07:52.880 -->
01:07:54.079We're gonna keep the suspense.
01:07:54.159 -->
01:08:00.800We won't tell you what it is yet, but before we wrap it up for today, Gabe, thank you so much for joining us.
01:08:01.199 -->
01:08:05.920Thank you for accepting my self-invitation to be here.
01:08:06.880 -->
01:08:07.840Showing up here.
01:08:08.000 -->
01:08:08.960See you in two weeks.
01:08:09.360 -->
01:08:09.519Okay.
01:08:10.079 -->
01:08:10.880See you in two weeks.
01:08:11.119 -->
01:08:11.760See you in two.
01:08:11.920 -->
01:08:12.159Yep.
01:08:12.320 -->
01:08:18.159Um, in the meantime, if people are curious about your page, where can people find you?
01:08:18.399 -->
01:08:19.039Oh my gosh.
01:08:19.119 -->
01:08:22.720You can find me on uh I'm the weirdo that doesn't have Twitter, guys.
01:08:22.800 -->
01:08:23.359I'm sorry.
01:08:23.439 -->
01:08:25.760It was fun for a little bit until it wasn't.
01:08:25.840 -->
01:08:31.520Um I'm on Blue Sky now at uh at Demon Core, D-A-E-M-O-N-C-O-R-P-S.
01:08:31.920 -->
01:08:34.880Alternatively, I'm on I'm on the gram.
01:08:35.279 -->
01:08:42.960I'm also on a handful of other places, YouTube, um, I think a few more, but you're not allowed to look at those.
01:08:43.359 -->
01:08:46.319If you find me elsewhere, no, you didn't.
01:08:47.199 -->
01:08:47.680What?
01:08:47.840 -->
01:08:48.640I like that.
01:08:48.880 -->
01:08:50.079And keep the intrigue.
01:08:50.319 -->
01:08:51.279Who is this guy?
01:08:51.439 -->
01:08:52.000Who is he?
01:08:52.399 -->
01:08:54.880But anyway, I think that's it for today.
01:08:55.039 -->
01:08:55.520I think so.
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01:08:57.840Thank you again for tuning in.
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01:09:05.920We hope that you enjoyed today's episode and are looking forward to part two very, very soon.
01:09:06.159 -->
01:09:07.520Very, very soon.
01:09:08.479 -->
01:09:10.239But uh, that's what we got.
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01:09:12.960So we will see you next time.
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01:09:17.279But until then, BRB crying.
