Ep. 121 - Stepping Up Your Style w/Celeste Moore

Larry: Well, hello Celeste. Good to have you back on the Born or Maid podcast. Thank you for having me again, Larry. This is I'm in your stomping grounds now. Yeah, and this is a fun experience because I absolutely love filming in studio. So I do too. So much different than the online platform. Well, we've been really putting a lot of focus on that now, doing a bunch in Stanford. We're doing here and then we'll be out LA next month. So, you know, really starting to do that. And then I think we'll do another one in Stanford and then another one up around DC. I was close to where I live. Yeah. So yeah, in studio is better. Yeah. Get that more authentic vibe. Plus it's just it's just it's just better. It is. Yeah. I mean, I can see you, you know, even looking through the little screens, you know, we're doing the Zoom. I think the first one you and I did was Zoom, right? Yes. Because we didn't do one. Yeah. I didn't think we did it in person. I was still doing some, but yeah, now and it traveling like this isn't that bad. Yeah. And but I'm probably gonna make these like steps. Like I'm gonna probably do Austin every time. Okay. And then do LA. And then go out w east and stuff like that. Because I think Austin's such a great town as you know, you're living here. I mean, just so many young people and a lot of energy and just a lot of really exciting things happening here. And there's just an incredible just like I said, energy in this town. Yeah. I think it works for your platform too. And it's biohacking capital. I mean. Yeah. I didn't think about that. But yeah, the one young man that I met yesterday, his company is I mean, they're into all this stuff, but they're really the the thing I'm enjoying now is, you know, we've always focused on women's health mainly for reproductive reasons, but now we're starting to realize that men's health is fifty percent of it, right? It takes two. And all of a sudden they're realizing these men are having all these issues. But anyway, we won't talk about all that stuff. We're here to talk about you today. So you know, obviously you've helped me out a bunch, you know, I'm one of your clients and tell everybody, you know, if you want to look good and and be successful looking, then the hard part is actually filling the These jackets to make you be successful, but they you look good on the outside. So and thanks to that, you've really changed for me. I get a lot of compliments when I'm on stage. Yes, you do. I mean, you look great. So just the presentation has you just elevated your presentation. and I love that so much because you were really like, I want to not look like everybody else. I want to look like myself, but I want, you know, these are my goals. And then how can we achieve those goals? in the fastest way possible. And that is in a tenth of a second. A tenth of a second. It it there is like studies seven seconds, right? This is what we heard for many years. And then it came down to about three seconds. And then in two thousand six, Princeton did a a review on first impressions, like how fast it it actually happens within our brain. And it's a tenth of a second. And so before you can introduce yourself, be s before you can say, Hi, I'm Larry, la la la la people are either trusting you or they're not. And so we have that very, very small window of gaining trust and credibility and opening doors. So it could be that little tenth of a second where someone who looks better than you gets the opportunity and they may not be as smart as you. So when you think about that and you're like, my God, if I could really dial in The way that I'm presenting myself that's authentic to myself, but then have that strategy to where I'm able to relay that message to my audience so quick that when you actually do speak, they're like, of course. Like it just reaffirms, it just lands harder. And, you know, you're accelerating your growth and your goals. So what's the number? You told me this and I I've never gotten it right. So I'm gonna try to pay attention. The one you know, the first impression, like when you walk in on stage, yeah, it's like what did you say, seventy percent or something is like the first or there's some number out there. Yeah. What is that? So ninety-three percent of the way that we show up is is our image. So fifty five percent of that ninety-three percent is how you look. So right away that's color, that's fit. Of your your outfit, it's the fabrics, it's your hair, some hair, makeup, accessories, like the whole image. 38% is our body language, our tone. And then 7% are the actual words that are spoken. And what does that mean at the whole? It means that the way someone is perceiving us within that tenth of a second is. majority is visual. And then we've got our body language, right? Because we actually speak more without saying words. The way that we the way that we stand, the way that we're meeting eye contact with someone, are we shaking hands the correct way? What is that message in the way that you present yourself? Because it scans instantly. And it's not because we're trying to be judgmental about somebody. It goes back to caveman days when it was like, is this person a threat? Do we need to kill them? Or right? Or are is this friend or foe, basically? But as we've evolved and as we've gone through society, it is more of like, okay, do I trust this person? Same essence, but in different contexts. Do I trust them what they're saying? So I use this analogy quite often because it's a really basic analogy. You've got two guys that come in a room and they're both Harvard educated, they're both have the same experience. There's nothing different about them except for the way that they are presenting themselves. So you're standing in front of them, they're standing in front of you. Let's imagining we're interviewing each other. Who would you trust more and believe has more credibility? A guy that walks in that is very well presented, he has a suit, let's just say a suit for for this particular instance. And There's nothing about him that is screaming like I'm not professional. He's got a suit, he's got a he's well put together, it's clean, his grooming's on point. And then the guy next to him who has board shorts, a t-shirt, and some flip flops. We all have judging, you know, we we all judge for a reason, but in that instance, if you're in an interview, who are you going to trust more who believes that there's more credibility and more professionalism? Yeah, the guy that's well dressed. Exactly. There's You're gonna notice them on for you're gonna notice both of them, but for two very different reasons. Right. And I there is such a culture out there, and you can affirm this because you move in very similar circles, where we are in circles with speakers that are moving in a space to wanna be seen, wanna be heard. They're the expert in their field, but they present in a way that doesn't say that. And as you come in and you put yourself together and you're speaking on stage and you have these beautiful, like perfectly fitted suits, with the right color to send the right message to your audience, the right fabric, everything. You are fit, you take care of yourself, you work out, you can tell. People look at you and they're like, Wow, they I want that. Whatever that is about you, they don't know what it is. They can't put their fingers on it, but they're like, yes, that. And so you command a presence about you every time you show up in that manner. Your voice carries longer and louder without having to speak louder. Your words land more and people are hearing you versus also there's an there's another thing where you're distracted by someone, right? So we talked about that if you're wearing too loud of a color for your personality or crazy prints, or you know, there's that whole other aspect of what you actually should stay away from on stage. Because those seven percent, those words that you're saying are so important for them to land. You're spending a lot of time on your speech. Those people are spending their time to listen to you, and you've created this space. Now let's make sure that that space, that container, you're delivering that message even harder than and louder. So I read a book and I always remember this, I won't plug or anything, but that said The one thing you cannot change is the human condition. And this is a guy that's been writing about history of of humans for ten thousand years. Wow. In the same way we react today as you're talking we were doing the exact same thing ten thousand years ago. Does not surprise me at all. So it hasn't I mean it's it just affirms exactly what you're saying. Like you said, we don't we all judge. You know, you're you're an a from an apparent standpoint. Yes. And so that's just human. You're wired that way. Like you said, you know, we were trying to stay away from saber tooth tigers. So you had to kind of judge your conditions and and who was around was is this guy gonna help me or is he gonna be a hindrance of whether or not we survive or not, right? Yeah. So yeah. So let's walk through your process of how you figure out our colors is like we did in New York. We did that. Yeah. And you go through this process and I always enjoy that. So let's talk about that. Let our listeners hear that. So the difference in, you know, there's a lot of color systems out there. I was trained in a few. the latest one, which was was founded in twenty thirteen by my my mentor. It there were a lot of missing holes. And I kind of just want to preface this before I go into it. And what does that mean? Because originally color systems were designed to represent seasons of the season, summer, spring, fall. There were the four. There's only four. And Mind you, how can you put every human in a four seasons? There's like there's gotta be missing things happening, missing elements. So then there was a twelve system, which I didn't get certified in, but it just seemed a little like still quite off. I didn't understand. And then I got certified in the 16 seasons, which is the latest. It is the only patented system in the world. It is the only doubly accredited system in the world. And now I'm a master in this system. And that that just means that I'm the highest educated, but that I can also certify others within the system. So just so you know a little bit of backstory. and so what this system entails that the others didn't is the first thing that I want to know about you, about my client, is understanding your personality DNA. Who are you? How do you receive energy, how do you deplete your energy? What do you like to do as hobbies? What's your profession? Now your profession do does not always define your personality. So I've got to ask more in depth questions. So for example, if a woman she's in a like high C suite level and she had to be a boss to come in there. Like she had to be someone she typically wasn't if you take away the career. So maybe she's a little softer, maybe she's a little bit more introverted, but in this specific environment as a C suite level that she's at, she has to come in and assert herself even more than that's than that's natural for her. So there's things that there's these layers, right? Of understanding what were you like as a kid? Like who who how did you interact with your friends? So really understanding more and more about who you are first. Now why does that matter? Because let's say you're a little bit more introverted and you let's see, I think a color would look really great on you because I like it, or I think, it'd go great with your blue eyes. So I'm gonna put you in a bright, bright blue color. And you put that blue color on and you're like, okay, she says it's for me, but it feels too loud and too bright. So what's gonna happen is you're gonna only be able to wear that piece for a minute before you start to like. Your energy is done. And so I know already we're gonna put a little softer colors on you so that you are able to match your identity. And it also looks good for your skin, eyes, and some of us with hair. Yeah, the skin thing. I remember we were doing that. I'll I'll never forget that. You were putting these colors and I would look so good. And then another color, you'd be like, whoa. You look like real, like real p pale. Yeah. Just it was weird. It was so funny when you would do that. I'd like, wow, okay. It was just I was surprised. Yeah. I mean, we want to look younger and healthier and more vibrant without, let's say, plastic surgery. Yeah. So colors can do that. And they can also have the opposite effect, like you said, drain us, you know, make us look sick. and so we don't want that either. yeah. So that the color process is really interesting. So we understand your undertone, then we understand. how dark or light of colors work best for you, and then how bright or muted colors work best. And when we put all of that together, then we can create strategy for your goals. Yeah. So for me, like for men, do we have to you know it used to be is I I'm gonna slaughter this, but like you can wear white shoes before Easter or whatever. Do you do you pay that much of that on men as much? I mean, 'cause like for me, I don't really think about the seasons. Obviously I would Maybe like a little thicker something when it's winter or something, but colors don't as make as big a difference for me, right? I think there it's a myth. There's so many fashion myths. Like I just don't follow trends. I'm gonna be a hundred percent honest. I know what's trending, I know what's out there, but I don't follow the trends because I don't believe each individual has, that color is the color of the season and everybody should wear it, because that that's false, right? It's not gonna look good on everybody. Or that's the it jacket. Well, that jacket might not fit you or be your personality style or anything. So I just it kind of irritates me. I I guess that's like really one of the things that just gets under my skin and I'm like, no, it's what I do is very personalized and individualized. I want you to look your best based on your facts, your colors, your body type, your personality style. I mean, that makes so much more sense than trying to conform to what's trending. And by the time you wear something that's trending, it's out of style anyway. It's out of fashion. So those people that do that just drive me bananas. So you see it a lot though. I mean a lot of people do that. It's a marketing ploy. It's like, how can I make more money? How can I be seen? If I say this is the it jacket or this is the thing that's trending, like it's it's just getting more attention on me. so that I don't know. That irritates me. So something that's real flashy right now are belts, right? I mean everybody likes belts and what does Celeste make me do? She makes me get into a suit that has no belts. I've not not had a belt for sixty one years at that point, and now all of my suits don't have belts and explained because it just fits. It's cleaner when you're on stage, you don't focus in on that. Yeah. Gives you a very it focuses right. Everybody wants to come to your face. Right. So the idea obviously is typically men will have their jackets closed. And when you have that close, it could be similar, it could be around the belt area and it just looks really bulky and it it when you have a flat front pant, one, it's more slimming. and a lot of men, unlike you, do have a issue with the belly when they start to get older. So we're just trying to eliminate distractions, eliminate any bulk that's unnecessary. And then yeah, just closing the jacket is nice and smooth and it's clean. So we do want to draw the eye up. Right? Because we want people to pay attention to you. We want people to focus on what you're saying. So when we draw the eye up, we're either doing it in a pocket square or tie, or you know, maybe it's just a jacket in general, but there is ways to take smaller elements to draw the eye up. Yeah. So we just want to keep people focused and not distracted. So yeah, the flat front pan. It's great in a suit. And it even looks really good if you did like you for summer you had like a linen or bamboo shirt, a button up and you tucked it in and it would just be a nice clean look and the shoe, you know, you have a great polished shoe. and there's ways you can roll it up. There's ways to still look really polished and look not super stuffy. 'Cause I think there is also that the guy that likes to wear the t-shirt and the you know, he's he's more of the comfort guy, but there's ways to work around that as well. Or a really nice t shirt under a blazer, right? So you're you're still feeling the comfort, but you're elevated. Yeah, I like the t shirt. I mean I sh I'm technically not supposed to wear these colored ones, but I struggle 'cause I like the print. I like the prints. I always have. But people don't realize if you really I just thought about this is if you look at all the great speakers, male and female, none of them were wearing bright printed jackets. They're pretty consistent. And I think people need to pay attention to that because now, because of you, I noticed that. Like I see men walk out with bright stuff on I'm like, God, man, you don't realize, you know, ninety-three percent, fifty, whatever, the fifty something percent, I mean you're you're making that impact. And you find yourself paying attention to that darn jacket or pants or socks. Now I don't wear the pleated or, you know, socks anymore because you told me like, hey, you picks up on camera. Right. People are focusing on that, so I don't do that now. So little things like that that people just don't pay attention to that you help me out a ton with. Yeah. So I think it there's just a whole like slew of things. But my goal is to accelerate the process for you faster. I want to accelerate your business growth. And I can do that in a very short amount of time. And I think the uneducated Not because people are stupid or ca or don't care. They just don't realize the impact that it has. When especially people that are doing seven, eight figures and they're still growing. Let me define let me go back on that because the Gary V's, the Hermosis, who I personally drives me insane, right? Because I understand they're very successful. And so they don't really care about what they're wearing. But on the flip side, it shows respect to your audience as well when you start to show up in a way that's represent representative of you and your business. look, Gary V's Gary V. I see him in suits as well as I see him in like black t-shirts, right? So he has a little bit of a variety when he knows when to pull out the suit. But like just for example, I mean, you can all you guys can hate me, but you know how Alex Hermozzi shows up with a nose strip and you know, the the tank top and the hair, you know, the whole look. I am so distracted by that man. I know he is so smart and he has built so many successful companies, but I cannot focus on his words. So that's just a very, you know, extreme example. But as we're building as entrepreneurs, founders, even C levels that are more forward-facing, know that your audience is so paying attention to you before you speak. Your body language, the way that you carry yourself, the colors you wear, the fabrics you wear. Show up as the leader you want to be because you're leading. You're a leader in your space. I'm a leader in my space. So if I showed up in a way that didn't represent me authentically or that I can lead other women and men, you know, I shouldn't be in that space. I mean, I I yeah. I mean, I agree, by the way. Yeah. I mean, that's why I seeked you out. You know, we happened to meet, but I think we met where did we meet? In Stanford? Yeah, in Miami. no, Miami that's right, Miami. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, speaker school. Yeah. Yeah. And that's when I started going, okay, this kind of started making sense 'cause Brandon had already already been kind of talking about that. And then you put the, you know, the bookmarkers on each end of it. And I was like, okay, now this totally makes sense. And it does make a difference. I mean, when I went to my first big event in October of that year, people actually came up to me like, Wow, you look great on stage. You know, just that presence, right? You look like a pro, you know. And it makes me like for me, the moment, the the joy I get from working with my clients is the moment You try it on or it connects for you and you look at yourself in the mirror in a different way. You see, you truly see yourself as like connecting the dots with the leader that you are on the outside. And it's just freaking powerful. And I that's just that that's that moment for me. I've had it, that's what I live for. Yeah. It's confidence. I mean, people don't realize, like I mean, you were alluding to it earlier. I think it was like. You know, if put the wrong color on and you go up there and you don't feel good, you're handicapped already. 'Cause we're already half the time we're getting up there, we're nervous, right? We have the imposter center. We're like, I don't even know if I'm supposed to be up here. But if you can get up there and look like you're supposed to be there, it just gives you that little bit of an edge. Definitely. And that's what it did for me, you know. Now, if I could just get through the nerves, you know, that's always still the the challenge. You're doing such a great job. Like you have I've just watched your evolution and you know, you're just slaying it. I'm like so proud of you. I'm trying. It's a lot of work, as you know. I mean, you think you're every time you think you're getting a little bit closer, they seen the movie the Durham Goalpost. We just keep driving towards it. So Yeah. So tell me, I watched a lot of your stuff. Obviously I didn't participate because I wasn't a a lady. Was your parish trip? That was amazing. That looked just spectacular. Yeah. So I I'm gonna tell you just how I created this experience. So I love, I love, I thought the epitome for my career was the the custom like VIP white glove experience with the suits. I mean, for me that's still like chef's kiss because I can really create something unique for my client. And while that's still really great, the next thing I s I was working with a coach last year and he's like, Celeste, I really want you to do events. And you and I know we've been to many events, we're like, that was so daunting. I was like, I'm not an event girl. Like, I I don't see myself doing what Brandon has done or other people have done. And I'm he said, you know, it can be different than what you think it is. And so I started thinking about if I could create something that was for the younger version of me that I would love every moment of it, and I'll tell you why. Then I started to I came up with this idea. So me being a sole parent for almost twenty years, living with chronic pain for twenty years, building businesses and failing and trying this and trying that and just trying to survive. I really survived for twenty plus years. And I I figured out like if I could give women back the ones that do it all, because most women do it all, the moms, the They work or they're building stuff and they're they're give to their partners and their children and and they give selflessly first. You know, this is what we do. But because of that, we don't give back to ourselves enough. And by the end of the day, what do we have left to give back? We give ourselves that if we have it. And we do this self like I said, selflessly, self selflessly over and over and over. And in doing so, you you miss out on filling your own cup. And it's so important for women to give themselves not just the opportunity to make decisions for themselves and nobody else, to figure out, I like this food, instead of like, it's because I eat this because my husband likes it, my child likes it. and so allowing them to use a muscle that we haven't used in a long time, it's atrophied. And it's called those decisions making for ourselves, that trust. I trust myself that I'm making that decision solely for me. So that was a really big part of it. But the other other element is to have these six days in Paris. Paris for me does something to my body that no other place does. I can go anywhere in the United States, and my brain is always on. Like, okay, how can I? How can I multitask still, even when I'm not in my own city and in my own home? But when you come to Paris, Paris forces you to slow down, forces you to pause, forces you to not be on the hamster wheel, if you will. It forces you to take a two hour to get a coffee. Yeah, I I literally was thinking the first time I ever went over in that part of the world was the the meals. I mean two hours. Mm hmm. We don't do that here. No. You know, taking hours at the at a museum to take in the beauty, just to walk through the streets to look at the architecture, right? There's there's the way of culture over there that allows you to s like you just can't continue the way you can over here. And so Paris allowed me to start making decisions and feeling the things that I wanted to feel. So I created this through the five senses. It's very intentional. and using those five senses and through experiences with like custom perfume with the oldest perfume company in the world. Marie Antoinette was still alive when this became 1747. And you walk in this this perfumery and there's two hundred and eighty cents to create one perfume that's custom for you. And you're like, my God, how am I gonna choose the right? How am I how am I gonna go through all these scents? And it's a step-by-step process. And by the time you're done, that is like you get to name the perfume. And it goes in their records forever. And you can order that if you ever run out or if you need another one. Finally. It is the coolest experience. Even the men that were on the trip, my photographer and the Pearl Expert guy who came and did it with us, he's like, This is the coolest thing ever. I'm gonna bring my wife. I wanna do that. The guy did it, it's not just for women. okay. And say you can do it for men too. Okay. Yes, yes. But it it's just a such a unique experience. So within that process, you're like trusting yourself, making decisions by yourself. So it's it's a very immersive experience. But then we have the style side, right? We f it's usually for people that haven't gone through the the color, the body, and the style. And if they have, if they come, they get a loyalty credit. But it is taking that And building and bringing Cassania to do custom pieces. And then we walk through the Paris experience of La La Moray district, where they have, you know, vintage shops and accessories. And I meet with French handbag designers. I have a lot of exclusive things that I've created. So you can't get it anywhere else in the world. There's nothing out there that exists in the world like this. You've got health and wellness retreats, you have shopping experience retreats. You have even identity retreats or transformation retreats. In this experience, you get it all. And so it is just a formula, a methodology that I've created that I didn't know would be such and so impactful until I went through it. Because I can only try to market what I want, but I didn't know what the the reaction or the transformation or the actual impact I had until after. And I remember the point. This is like so crazy because I was like, okay, this was a gr like I could feel it, right? We all were able to share and be vulnerable and laugh and cry and and create this sisterhood. And at the the last day I I do this closing circle and I have them write a letter to themselves that they get mailed to them in three months to not forget about this experience. And I have them write like feedback cards and do testimonials. And we have this, like we just share. It's like beautiful. So I'm in the car, headed to the airport, and I've got these feedback cards in my lap. And I'm like really nervous because I'm like, Do I do I look at these right now? And I was like, I'm dying to look at these, but I didn't know what would be said. And I'm like, you know what? Just gonna read them. I've got an hour drive to Charles de Gaulle and I'm sitting in the back. And I started reading them. And I literally started to cry because not because they said really beautiful things about me as a facilitator, which I'm grateful for. That wasn't, I wasn't looking for, wasn't fishing for compliments. I really want feedback. Like, how can I make this better? it was Celeste's respectful, professional. She created a safe space for us to be able to share and be vulnerable and you know, it goes goes on, but it was like the experience. Everyone took back something individually meaningful to them, multiple things. Each one had a different experience. And they were all perfect. And there was actually a mother and daughter there who went together and they got to see this the walls fall down, the empowerment and the belief in who they are in life right now and and give themselves like credit for the things that they've done. For raising kids, for being amazing wives and mothers. and one particular client went through so much hard stuff in the last two years. She dealt with breast cancer. She fought it. There was a death in her family that was violent that she just had gone through, a sister. I mean, she left that experience and she said to me, Celeste, she goes, I finally realized that I deserve joy too. And it's like that for me, complete fulfillment was like just solidified why this is so meaningful to me and why this will happen as much as I can do it. So one of the things you said in the beginning, and I the first thing I thought of was I've got a lot of a lot of girls in my life, right? Granddaughters, daughter in laws, wife. And how do you how do you get to not feel guilty? Right? Guilt I always see that with all of mine. Is like they're the ones that are not, you know, they're letting the kids get the last bite, the last because they don't want and it's almost like if they take the last bite, they feel guilty. Yeah. Honestly, it's it's society, it's our lineage. I mean, my grandma had to be strong, my mother grandma had to be strong, my mom, you know, it just comes down and I and I really want to be the generation breaker. I wanna show my daughter that you don't have to do what I did. You don't have to do it alone. And I think there were so many messages that I want to deliver to her. You can ask for help. It doesn't make you weak or vulnerable, actually gives you strength. It's really the mindset and the changing of the way that we talk about ourselves. And a lot of times it's because we don't feel worthy enough. People pleasers. We need to please others before ourselves. And that's a load of shit. Excuse my language, but it is. We are no one's gonna care for ourselves. like our own self. No one's gonna love me or care for me more than my own self. And I'm also not gonna be able to attract the right people in my life if I'm on a slower vi vibration or frequency. And I've learned that so much in the last year, Larry. I've done so much deep work on myself because I didn't realize still how much I wasn't loving myself and felt that I was worthy. I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm 49 years old. And I've done work on myself over the years, but I was able to disrupt that it within my DNA for the first time. I was able to change that in my nervous system and able to heal things and be like, my God, like you're a badass. You've done so much in your life and be proud of that. But to your question, it's reframing the way that we raise our kids, our daughters. To letting them know it's good to be selfish in the way that that is like I was told that was negative growing up. I mean, because you're giving yourself first. How can you give from an empty place? If you're empty, you have nothing to give. While we think we do, we don't. So we're giving a quarter of what we could. We could give be giving more to our partners, more to our kids if we were filled first. And it's just reframing and teaching. And that's what I plan to do with with women. And it's never too late. It's never too late to teach the things that make us feel worthy and whole. Like, you know, my client who said I deserve joy too. She's here living for a reason. She could have been dead. She could have, you know, so many different outcomes, and she's here. And so let her be that. disruptor in her family and she's never too old, even if she's in her sixties, right? I I heard a guy, we one of the guys I interviewed yesterday said that and a couple of it was a different occasion. And the one one young man, he talked about how he's loved his grandfather. And he goes, he was 80 years old and decided to start making furniture. And it's like it's never too late. I think we've kind of gotten in this society, right? Like 65, that's our that's our date. That's when we retire. That's when And yet here I am at sixty-two, like you are at 49, reinventing ourselves. And and I have more passion and more drive now than I w did when I was thirty-five. Yeah. Because now I'm like, it's not too late. This one guy, two, twenty years, he goes, I'm gonna do more in the next ten years than I did in the previous sixty eight years. And I'm like, Yeah. Right? I mean, how awesome is that? Like that gets me excited. Yeah. I'm so excited because I'm also turning fifty during my next Paris experience in September. Woo hoo, big five Yes, and like the people that I'm attracting now is exactly where I'm at in life and it feels so good. There's I don't know if you can see a shift in my energy or You seem happier. I'm so happy. Yeah, you seem happier. Not I'm not saying you weren't, but I mean you seem happier. Yeah. Like I get a little emotional 'cause I you know, I just my daughter just left the house. And say you're in a tough spot. I mean, your daughter's left. You're gonna be fifty. Fifty's a real number. I mean, I remember when I turned fifty, you know, that was a long time ago. And it's like, Okay, you know, you're kinda getting old. I mean, let's face it. I mean, we are. Mid and and it's coming. Yeah, it is midlife. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at least now it's midlife. They used to tell it was forty, you know, now, you know, 'cause I'm I'm sixty two and I mean, realistically, I could, you know, barring any catastrophic stuff, I I could live another solid twenty years of super good life. I mean, you got you could have thirty. I mean, think about how much you can do in thirty years, especially when you look at how much you've done in the first thirty. Mm-hmm. You know, because you start at twenty, let's just say. I mean, you can do a lot. And reinventing yourself is cool. I'm so excited. Yeah. Because I think it's just really clear. It's like I have found clarity. which I've been looking for and looking for and kind of like pivoting and pivoting and I'm sure you're finding this too as you're doing the things right because we're we're actively doing the things. We're not just sitting back and like, okay, these are these are my goals, this is what I want to do and not doing it. We're doing it every day. And so because of that, the clarity gets more crisp. And I'm really like, this is this is it. I mean, of course, will it refine and will it pivot? I'm not saying this is it and I'm never doing anything else. Right, right. Yeah. 'Cause you gotta be willing to pivot. Right. Yeah. It's constant. That's right, it's constant. Or constantly pivoting. And some days I'm like, can you just stop? Yeah. Just for a couple of weeks. Right. But even with you, like I'm so like I watch what you're doing with these men groups and like, you know, we're just in these space similar spaces of spreading messages and teaching and Showing men and women that it's okay to be like, you know, share, be open, be vulnerable. It's strength. And it will help you be a better person. And when you have that community that you build, because when we walk away from these Paris and doing Milan next year and Como, when we take away you create a sisterhood, just like you're creating a An environment for men that haven't existed since like maybe cavemen days, you know, like we the traditions happen. So I I took this class years ago by a woman that talked about feminine and masculine energy, and she did this exercise where she separated the men and she separated the women. Because women used to separate when they were all menstruating because they usually got mo, you know, as as you know, men s when women start who are very close in quarters, they menstruate together. Together. They s their cycle becomes the same. And so they would go into this, it was called the red tent. And women would go through this experience and they would congr they would, you know, gather, they would whatever they did for the community. While men would go out and do similar things. And it's n it's so needed in society. And I think we've There is there's such a need right now, it's coming back around where we we need this community of like minded men and women. Not to say we can't coexist, but there's this difference, right? Where you're doing these events, these masterminds that I don't I don't know exactly everything that you're doing, empowerment and right, teaching them how to talk about their feelings and being in a safe space. And it's be it's okay to be a man. Yeah. Just like it's okay to be a woman. Right. Right. Mm-hmm and be and it's okay. Yeah. Like I tell all the guys, like, hey, I've been to therapy. You know, saved my life. Not that I was on the verge of doing anything, but it changed my life for sure. It got me. And I say it saved my life because if I'd have stayed what I was doing, I probably would have died at some point because I was so stressed out. And to be ex you know, and let everybody know it's okay. Yeah. So tell us so we'll wrap things up here. So tell us okay, how do we get in touch with you? Obviously let's talk about your next event so that we can get people on the get that on their calendars. Yeah, I would love that. Well, we still have a few spots open for Paris if this goes out. not sure when it'll go out, but it's September ninth through the September 14th. deadlines d do close it on July fifteenth. So not sure when this is gonna go out. But there'll be another one next year as well. And like I said, there'll be Milan Lake Como in May of twenty seventh. So I'm really excited about that. but Probably Instagram or LinkedIn, Celeste More or Celeste More image. And yeah, just send me a message that you heard the show and I'm really open with my time if I have it. Like I'll do a fifteen minute like let's just chat, let's connect and see if there's anything I can help you with. So Well, so our final question always is the same, but now it's it's been a year. Yeah. Things have changed. Maybe your answer is gonna change. So do you think you were born or do you think you were made? I think I was made, but I do believe I signed a soul contract before I came into this world that I was going to experience everything that I'm experiencing. So I know that I had to go through the difficulties so that I could arrive at my purpose. So You have to go through hard things. There's just it's unfortunate. We don't like it at the time, but man, it makes us better. Makes us better leaders. Absolutely. Well thank you, Celeste, for being on twice now on the Born or Maid Podcast. Thank you for having me.