Othersode #99: Weird Little Guy (Derogatory) / Bride and Prejudice with Tirzah Price

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For today, it's very special episode. We are joined by
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a very special guest, one of our favorite guests to
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have on Yay.
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Tears Yay.
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It's Tears upro nice everyone, And she has a new book,
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Thank you. It will be out by the time this
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comes out, right comes out next Tuesday. Is that christs?
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Yes?
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Great? So today is when the book comes out. Hooray yay.
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We will be talking to Tears about her new book,
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which is called In Want of a Suspect. But first
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we invited Tearsa to choose a topic that she would
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like to discuss, and she chose the film Bride and Prejudice,
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which I had never seen before. I don't know some
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of you had seen her before, right, Mary, you've seen
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her before. I had, so I was very excited because
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I love Hollywood and I love Jane Austen. So we'll
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be discussing that we will be spoiling Bride and Prejudiced
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and Pride and Prejudice. So if you somehow don't know
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the plot of this classic tale, it's.
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Been out a minute, if both of them have been
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out a minute.
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Yeah, this movie, this movie is twenty years old this year.
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Oh my, go so wow, you have had time to
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watch it.
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And you've had time to read Pride and Prejudice.
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Frankly, such a stunt believe that two thousand and four
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was twenty years ago.
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I know.
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Yeah, check out, but it doesn't feel right.
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Should we uh do an intro question? Yeah? Yeah, you've
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had a lot of time to think about this now.
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So I went really, I went really good answers so
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Bride and Prejudiced, I keep saying prejudiced, right, I'm just
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thinking about our president are seemed to be president. Bride
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and Prejudice is a retelling of Janeawson's classic novel Pride
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and Prejudice, obviously, but Bollywood style. So I ask you,
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what classic novel would you like to see get the
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Bollywood treatment? Don't everyone go at once? Okay, I'm ready, Okay, okay.
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This is Mary Phantom of the Opera and you're probably thinking,
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but that's a musical, but it's also a novel. It is,
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and I would like to see that.
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Have you have you read it?
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Yeah?
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Wow, okay, I had a.
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Big Phantom of the Opera face.
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Yeah, I read it too, because I wanted to read
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it before I went to Paris. It's different, it's it's
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it's different.
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A similar, but it's different.
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Would there any would there be any like Bollywood redues
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of like the musical songs though, or would it just
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be I think.
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That could be fun, but I think it would be
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better to be all original. Yeah, just to be completely different,
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because otherwise people are gonna be like, oh my Andrew
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Lloyd Webber also he would never stand for it.
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Yeah, okay, sounds fair. Did you sing your name?
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Yeah? I did?
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Okay, great, I'll go.
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This is Kelly.
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I am not super familiar with Bollywood. This is like
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one of the first Bollywood movies that I've watched, and
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I really enjoyed it.
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But I'm not sure if there's a is there a
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tradition of Bollywood horror at all?
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Because I think Dracula could be a fun Bollywood movie,
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like a campy more Dracula.
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Yeah.
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I can just imagine the songs on my experience of
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this movie alone.
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The themes of xenophobia, yeah, could still be present.
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Mm hmm.
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Interesting.
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So this is tearsa and I so I've not I'm
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definitely not a Bollywood expert by any stretch of the imagination.
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I watched a lot of Bollywood when I was in
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high school because my high school best friend at the
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time was from Nepal, and like we would watch just
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a ton of Bollywood movies with her mom, and so like,
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from what I've seen, it does seem like they're Bollywood
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tradition tends to be like there's romance, there's drama, there's adventure,
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there's like usually some betrayal and some you know, just
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like real dramatic scenes, and then like there's musical numbers
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being thrown in, which is really fun. I liked it
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a lot, and I think a classic that would lend
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itself to that sort of style because it's very dramatic
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and has lots of characters and like mystery and intrigue
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would be the importance of being earnest, which is not
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a novel, but that would be fun.
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Yeah.
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I love the importance of being earnest. It's so funny,
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So I think that would be so funny.
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Yeah, then you want to go.
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Okay. I don't know why this was one of the
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first things that popped in my head because I was
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just thinking about like, what like classic novels have I
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read most recently? And most recently it is probably like
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ten years ago, but it made me want to see
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Doctor Jackyll and Mister Hyde in Bollywood.
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There is a Doctor Jakyl and Mister Hyde musical and
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David Hasselhoff is in it. Really, I recently watched.
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Doctor Jekyl and Sister Hide, which is basically, h he
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turns into a sexy lady, and it was.
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Very is she and Nunn?
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And huh she and nun?
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No, Okay, she's sister sexy. They can be like just
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it's just sister, Like she's a lady and he they
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wanted to get that in the title.
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Well, and then he also like tells his neighbors like, oh,
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that's my sister because they're like, who the hell is
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that woman who keeps being in your apartment when I
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come in and she's shirtless for some reason. Fun, but
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it's like a fun, fun movie and also like a
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trans allegory, so.
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Interesting stuff.
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Well, all it needs now is a Bollywood adaptation.
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Got all of him, so I'm gonna go with another
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Victorian Gothic novel. I think it would be cool to
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see Jane Eyre as a Bollywood Yeah, specifically because I
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want the scene where Janeaire's wedding is ruined because someone
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runs in and is like, by the way, he's already married.
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She lives in the attic. Sorry for everybody, but I
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just I could see that like hitting the Bollywood drama
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in a cool way. Yeah. And I also think the
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scene where he uh dresses up like a fortune teller
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is just it's like perfect for Bollywood, Like that just
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seems like something a dude in a Bollywood movie would do,
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was like dress up like a fortune teller to like
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fool the girl that he's into.
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Yes, I can so.
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Yeah, some some parts might be a little dark for Bollywood,
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but I think they can make it work. You know,
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if they can do Doctor Jack and mister Hye, then
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they can do Jamie.
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Well, don't know if you know this, they're not actually
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making that.
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So oh, I thought you were talking about something that
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was really happening. I think mine is going to actually happen. Maybe,
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by the way, this is Emily, I don't know if
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I said that, my brain is not functioning. I warned
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you that this would happen.
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We're all.
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I appreciate it, all right, do you guys want to
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hear about this movie? Brid And prejudice. Okay, Bollywood meets
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Hollywood and it's a perfect match. Missus Bakshi is eager
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to find suitors for her four unmarried daughters when a
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family friend introduces them to handsome American Will Darcy, a
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Bollywood style modern adaptation of Jane Awson's classic novel. That's
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not a false set spoilers to come. I mean, nobody
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said it had to be in full sentences. That's a
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rule you made up.
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Yeah, she did say it was the Good Reads movie,
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so kind of words it is.
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I think it is tears. I wanted to throw this
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over to you first because I know that you said
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that this movie was a big influence on your interpretation
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of Lizzie and Darcy in your own novels. So do
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you want to talk a little bit about what the
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specific pride and prejudice adaptation is doing and why it's
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they see you in particular?
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Sure? Yeah, So, I mean I think we mentioned earlier.
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This movie came out twenty years ago this year, which ouch,
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I feel so old. Yeah yeah, I was like a
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freshman in high school when this movie came out, and
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I when it came out in the US, which I
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think was actually in two thousand and five, and so
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that's when I discovered this this movie for the first time.
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And I can't even really remember how, but I do
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remember that it was like one of the points of
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like connection for like making friends in my high school.
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Like I then moved to a new high school and
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I didn't know anybody, and I was talking about this
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movie one day and somebody's like, I've I also love
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that movie, and I'm like, okay, we're best friends now.
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And then that's how we became best friends throughout high school.
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So it's definitely been like a very important movie to
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me in that sense. I watched a bajillion time, Like
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I watched it last night, and I was like quoting
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lines very easily because I was very few movies where
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I've watched like that often. So I mean, at first,
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I just I think I gravitated towards it because I
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just thought it was fun, it's romantic, it's funny, it's
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got a great humor. I liked. I think it like
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moves really quickly. And then of course it's this adaptation
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of a classic that I have read, and I read
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like Jane Austen was like one of the first classics
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that I read, so all of those things was very
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appealing to me. But I also think it was just
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really as far as like influential. I'm not sure if
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I realized it at the time when I first fell
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in love with it, but I think it's just a
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very clever way to tell a classic story in a
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different cultural context. And like that's like the kind of
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the cool power of the classics is like we keep
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retelling them and an interesting in different ways, and you
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get to explore different facets of the world through these
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interpretations and these retellings. So I think that kind of
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like maybe like laid down a foundation of like you know,
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you can retell classics and you can go like a
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really wild or unexpected direction, or you can you know,
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do something very different, very like far from the source
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material and still like, you know, retell this classic story
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and stay true to like the characters and what people
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love about pride and prejudice. So yeah, that's I think
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one of the reasons why this one speaks to me. Also,
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I think you know, you just you watch certain things
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at a certain age and it just like sticks with you.
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So it is one of my favorite movies.
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Yeah, I definitely feel that, like some of the movies
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you watch in high school end up just being your
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favorite movies forever, no matter what you in print. Yeah,
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I really enjoyed it. This was, like I said, this
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was my first time watching it. Even though I do
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I do really like Bollywood movies, sometimes I feel like
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I just don't know which ones to watch because there
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are so many of them and I don't have anyone
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like directing me like these are the good ones, you know,
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So I'm just like, I don't know, this one looks good.
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But in terms of no matter how familiar or unfamiliar
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you are with Bollywood as a concept or what those
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movies are like, I think we are all we've all
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seen enough Bollywood to kind of like get the feel
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for like what Bollywood movies are like a little bit.
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Even if you just watch this movie, you're like, oh, okay,
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are are there any parts of the story that didn't
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work as well for you when translated into this modern
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Bollywood setting or did it all kind of seem pretty seamless?
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movie when I was in high school and loved it
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so much. I actually forgot this until I watched it yesterday.
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But when I was in college, one of my roommates
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and friends we would run around our apartment singing no
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Life without Life and like doing the dance, and I
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just completely forgot that we used to do that all
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the time and remembered it when I was when I
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heard the song. I think, for the most part, this
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works great for me. I like the changes that were made,
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or like the different interpretations, Like I absolutely love the
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interpretation of mister Collins as Goalie soov He's truly my
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favorite part of the movie. It's so funny to me,
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it's so funny. The only thing that maybe doesn't one
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hundred percent were for me is the sort of like
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going to Pemberley sequence when in Pride and Prejudice Elizabeth
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goes to Pemberley and Darcy's not there, but she like
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sort of talks to someone who works for him, and
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she's really impressed by how nice he is to his servants,
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and you know, he he's got a big old house
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that's really nice, and that is also impressive, and she
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she sort of starts to think maybe he's not all bad.
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And here they go to one of the hotels that
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Darcy's family owns and it's a really nice hotel, and
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like just something about that, like doesn't it ring as
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true for me? I don't know why. I mean, I
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do think that that could be right, Like your business
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is maybe a better reflection of you than your house.
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Now I don't know, but that whole sequence sequence just
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felt like a little compressed, maybe like I wanted a
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little a little more. But that's also my personal preference
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because I really like that part in the book. So
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I will also say I love the dead.
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It's a good don't you love the dad and pride
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and prejudice?
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Of course, yes I do.
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But they did a good job.
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Yeah, I think that its pretty well though otherwise, and.
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It reminds me. I mean, and we.
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Had a conversation before about Fire Island also with Tears,
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of which I think this movie has a lot in
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common with that movie in certain ways as far, and
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we're going to get into the way that the movie
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discusses class, but I think like it does translate like
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well to a modern setting in general, because class is
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still an issue and will always be an issue in
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a variety of different.
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Unfortune unfortune.
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I want to say, I there was the one part
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that didn't work for me, and like maybe I was
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just missing something, so like, please feel free to elaborate
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and explain it to me if I just like missed it.
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I rewound it and like watched it twice because I
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was like, wait, so we have the mister Wickham character,
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Johnny Wickham, and like the whole movie, You're kind of like, okay,
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like what did he do bad? Right? And I guess
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so he got.
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He got will Darcy's sister gil pregnant pregnant.
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Yeah, maybe it's because I never watched Gilmore Girls, Okay,
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but uh yeah, so he got her pregnant and then
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tried to marry her and then when she was like no,
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he left, And I'm like, well, what is he supposed
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to do? Like she didn't like.
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Like he like got her pregnant and wanted to marry her,
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like kind of got her pregnant on purpose in order
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to have a reason to like trapped her so that
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he could get her family's.
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Like trapped her. Yeah, pokehol in the condom. I don't know.
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It happened on Uh what's that show I Will Destroy You?
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Is that what it's called?
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I didn't watch that show.
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Well, there's a.
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Like, you know, rape by not by lying about wearing protection.
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Situation in that gotcha.
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So that was kind of what I assumed, like something
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like that happened that he because it was like he
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got her pregnant. It wasn't like, you know, she like
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accidentally got you know what I mean?
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I don't know.
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So I'm as there is no baby. I'm assuming she
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had an abortion because this was twenty years ago in
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a time when people were allowed to get abortions.
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Also, she was sixteen, they said, interesting when this happened.
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And then he tried to marry her, which.
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That's child bread.
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Isn't that illegal?
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Yeah?
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And also like he is way older than her, not
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in some states.
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Yeah, so presumably she was a minor and he wasn't
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when this happened.
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I don't know, Okay, can I all? Right? So then
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the second part of that is like, so then Lackey
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is just like hanging out with Johnny, right, and they're like,
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oh no, we have to save her. They're going to
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a movie. She seems fine.
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I So I would.
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You know there's a hole in the conte.
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Yeah? I think like okay, like maybe like our western
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viewpoint is like sort of plaiting into this e bit,
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which is not a bad thing, but like I mean,
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it's just but like having watched again, like I'm not
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a Bollywood by any Bollywood expert by any means, Like
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I've watched a fair amount in my day, and like
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they I think are more conservative when it comes to
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like talking about like actual sexual relations and like physical
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stuff like as you may notice, there is nossing in
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this movie.
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I know at all.
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I was not going to yeah, right, And actually I
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seem to remember like that there was like because this
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was primarily filmed in the UK. I think it was
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a UK production and it's mostly in English, so it
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was I think it's definitely a Bollywood movie that was
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you know, made to try to like appeal to English
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speaking audiences, and like a lot of there was like
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a lot of like drama around that, like the the
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actress who plays Lalita was like I will not kiss,
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like we will like we don't need to do that,
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so we're not going to And that is I think
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pretty common in a lot of Bollywood movies that I
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watched around this time, where there's just like not a
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lot of that. So yeah, it seems like it. It's
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just like the idea of like her running off with
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this guy was like just as scandalous as it would
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have been in like you know, seventeen ninety two, where
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it's like who knows what could happen, like her reputation
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is ruined, which I guess could feel somewhat like unrealistically dated,
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but I guess it depends on like the culture and
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where you're coming from. But like definitely like watching this
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in twenty twenty four, I'm like, yeah, she's making some
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dumb choices, but like it's not like her life is
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going to be ruined, So I see where like that
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doesn't like work maybe quite as well.
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Yeah, I was just like I feel like after this movie,
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she's just gonna come home.
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I was just assuming again that she was like young,
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you know, like fifteen, and he's like you know, and
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also like he is like the fact that he's like
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been like romantically linked, whether or not anything physical has
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happened between them to the older sister, and then like
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on the side he's like being sleep just weird little sister.
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Like I do think like the moment when she goes
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to the movies and they're like, oh my God, because
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it's not like she's like I'm running away with him,
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like we've bought a one way ticket to wherever, you know.
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But yeah, no, I get what you mean. I mean. Also,
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like at the beginning of the movie, Uh, missus Bakshi
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is like, we have to marry off the older sister first.
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If we marry off one of the younger, younger ones,
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we'd die of the shame. Like even even in something
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like that, like they're talking about shame and they're very
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concerned with reputation and like are you interested in a
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good man who can take care? You know, Like so
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like running off with a guy who's much older than you,
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even just to see a movie. It's it could be misconstrued,
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could damage one's reputation and shame the family.
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I hear that.
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I don't know. I mean, there's that happens now, Like
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even like I don't know Todd's students, it'll be like, oh, well,
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you know, the older sibling is bad, you know, like
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you get a reputation and it rubs off on your
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whole family. I'm not saying that's.
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Right, Murray, stop it, but it happens.
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It's just like I say, you know, Emily's cats. They
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all dig dig in the box like move.
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They say that what is he playing? Oh my god,
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he's playing with a die he found Murray, stop it.
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It's good for him, he says.
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They wait to act up until I get home. This
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is what's happening right now. It's like I've been gone
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all day and ano they're like, Oh, she's home, let's
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act foolish. Okay, cool? Any any other things that stuck out?
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Jess I will say, despite all that, I don't really
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have any problems. I really got to reach to find
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a problem.
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I don't have any problem.
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I have a thing that's you know what doesn't work
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for me in twenty twenty four? How two thousand and
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four it is?
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It is quite two thousand and four.
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Something like the concert scene. I was like, ooh, this
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field a.
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Shanty was in this movie?
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Is that a shanty? I'm like, I'm pretty sure, but
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it's like twenty years ago, so it's been a minute since.
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I only texted me this and I was like, oh, yes,
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I forgot to tell her. Yeah, which is like also
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a hallmark of a like a lot of these Bollywood
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films is like random celebrity appearance that has no connection
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to the story whatsoever. It's like, hey, look.
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Who we got.
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We're gonna have them like do a song in the background.
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Well the characters are like doing that. That was a
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truly it's very random and I love it.
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Now.
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I feel like I have fun to bring up this
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question next since we're already talking about it, because like,
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there were some appearances from some faces.
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We know in this Yeah, I mean Rory the Rory
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jump scare was.
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I saw like I forgot. She was tiny, blurry.
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I was like, oh, of the house, and I was like,
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that's fucking Alexis Liddell.
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Are you kidding me?
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Like I knew immediately from her like like hair and
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like little waf like figure walking out. I was like,
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oh my god, the way she walks.
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Yeah, uh for me, it's Navin Andrews.
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I was gonna say, do we have any Lost fans
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on the call?
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Yeah, drop out And I had already started Lost from
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like like I was into Lost by the time I know.
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I was like that was like, dang, okay, that's my boy.
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Yeah, And it was like in the height of like
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Alexis Splidell being popular from Gilmore Girls, and then SAYI
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from the Loss was like this year like like then,
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like it was in two thousand and four. I think
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that Lost came out, so it.
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Was a big year for him.
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It was a big year for these people to like
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I think it's funny maybe like now that I'm thinking
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about it, because I was just I couldn't remember, like what,
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maybe watch this movie in the first place. It might
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have been the Alexis Spludel connection that was hugely to
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Gilmore Girls.
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And she's in so much of the movies, like two
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thirds of the way to be like three scenes.
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Yeah, I heard she was in there when she show.
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I didn't watch Loss, so I just kept looking at
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him like I know him but older, and then figured
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out it was because he was sunny and.
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Travel Well, I think I think he's from Lost.
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I mean sure, I haven't seen either of this, so
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I didn't know who he was.
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And then Ange was like, he's from Lost, and I
493
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:19.240
was like.
494
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.039
Oh, see, all right, so the votes are in he's
495
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:24.240
from Lost. Sorry.
496
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:29.599
I do also need to while we're talking about like
497
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:35.720
the non Indian actors in this Martin, Uh, what's his name?
498
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.880
What's his name?
499
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:37.759
Henderson?
500
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.440
Like, who the hell is this guy. I've never seen
501
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:48.480
him before. You haven't, No, I'm trying.
502
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.039
To look him up now.
503
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:54.680
He's in a run on Gray's Anatomy, like within the
504
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.480
last five or six years, ten maybe ten years, I
505
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.720
don't know. It feels ridiculous that I can like name
506
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:01.880
the errors of Grays.
507
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:09.559
And but yes, he was in Virgin River, Martin Henderson.
508
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.039
He was in The Rings.
509
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.880
Yeah, I know the Ring, Okay, but I just I've
510
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.279
been watching a lot of an ex Shrek lately. I
511
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.880
swear this is connected. But he has Prince Charming's hair.
512
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.599
Shrek like a lot of Shrek lately.
513
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.799
Yes, with my child.
514
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.240
That just so happens when you have children, as you
515
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.640
just watched, you just have to have.
516
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.400
Some noise on in the background, you know. And it's
517
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.039
nice when there's three of a movie because it can
518
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.839
just go and you can just carry on with your day.
519
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.880
Sparkle throw Shrek is I was just kind of there. Yeah,
520
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:57.960
but yeah.
521
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.599
I loved Shrek when I was a kid.
522
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:57.400
Shrek's great.
523
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.920
She like the donkey a slightly diminishing sweet I'll have
524
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:04.799
foodment but.
525
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.279
And she likes pussing boots.
526
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:09.960
What are you gonna do?
527
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.319
And Shrek four is coming out. They're doing it, remember,
528
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:16.960
and we're gonna come too many.
529
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.279
No.
530
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.200
I've never gotten as hard of a no from Emily
531
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:30.160
as when I sent the Shrek four five Shrek Next
532
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.039
movie announcement to the group chat and I was like,
533
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.960
we know what we're doing, and she was like, no.
534
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:49.119
Listen, I am not. If this is a democracy, maybe.
535
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:47.599
You can have a mirror on it.
536
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:57.079
As I guess, she'll just chime in occasionally to say donkey.
537
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.759
Or yeah, that's fine. She can't take my place, that's yeah.
538
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.240
All right, let's talk about this movie a little bit more.
539
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:06.000
So.
540
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.480
We all know Pride and Prejudice deals a lot with class,
541
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.240
and this movie does too, but we're also looking at
542
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:17.279
issues of racism and xenophobia. How do we feel about
543
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.720
how the movie tackled these topics.
544
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:26.960
I was like interested, I don't the fact that they
545
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:31.799
have it, Like I understand having like an like English
546
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.079
characters versus like Indian characters, and then American characters versus
547
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.160
Indian characters. But what I was confused about or unsure about,
548
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.160
was why they felt the need to make Darcy white
549
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.720
like I thought. I was watching and thinking like, couldn't
550
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.839
this have been just as interesting if it was like
551
00:33:51.599 --> 00:34:00.720
an American Indian like Darcy rather than white American Darcy,
552
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.000
because I felt like, even though they dealt a lot
553
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:10.199
with the differences between them as Americans versus Indians versus
554
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.679
you know, British people, like, there wasn't as much discussion
555
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:20.599
of like direct discussion of race as I like necessarily anticipated.
556
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.800
And for that reason, I'm like, couldn't they have just
557
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.119
made Darcy.
558
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.920
Like Indian but not India Indian.
559
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.360
But also this is me being like this guy is
560
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.880
boring and I am like watching and I'm like because
561
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.920
I didn't know anything about the movie so going and
562
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.760
I thought it was going to be like Bollywood, like
563
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.679
not expecting white people to be in it, and then
564
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.440
I was like this guy him And also Darcy was
565
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.920
like in this movie just to me was like less
566
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.360
charming maybe than like other versions of Darcy that I've seen,
567
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.079
because he's a little bit more sleazy. I feel like,
568
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.599
yeah at the beginning, and like I have a hard
569
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.000
time like oh so also when like his mom is
570
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:11.719
like his girlfriend's here, like here she is, and then
571
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:19.079
later uh uh Lalita is like what the hell was that?
572
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.079
And He's like I don't love her, and it's like,
573
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.679
but our is she your girlfriend?
574
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.559
Like what what do you mean?
575
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.320
So I guess like all of that combined, I was
576
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.079
just like him being like a white American like multiplied
577
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.440
the ick factor. And I say this as a white American, You're.
578
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.639
Like, I just don't prefer to watch a white American guy.
579
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.079
Yeah.
580
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.880
I hate myself and I hate this country.
581
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:48.840
But I don't know.
582
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.199
I like that part to me was like and I'm
583
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.000
not saying it's like, you know, it would have been
584
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.480
better or it's bad necessarily, I'm just like curious about
585
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.199
like why that decision was mad.
586
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.199
I mean, I think making him white and making him
587
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:08.519
like a hotelier or however you say that, yeah, like
588
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.199
gets them to talk about how white people see like
589
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.559
the tourism of India or what it even means to
590
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.159
visit India but not actually like interact with any Indian
591
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.400
people or anything other than like your luxury hotel. Could
592
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.719
he have still been like an Indian American guy and
593
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.840
done that, Yes, but I feel like that would he'd
594
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.800
probably have more cultural knowledge of India if he was
595
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.760
Indian to some degree, like in his even in his
596
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:40.639
family or whatever.
597
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.599
Maybe would be perceived differently.
598
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.039
The whiteness makes the like the people tell in the
599
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.800
like ah, I mean if I didn't love it here,
600
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.039
then why would I buy a hotel here? Like okay, marlag.
601
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:58.880
Right right, which again is like makes Darcy less of
602
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.199
an appealing romantic lead.
603
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.079
Yeah, like really the only thing you have, I think
604
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.960
for you is that you have a lot of money.
605
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.760
Yeah. I do feel like this is a Bollywood movie
606
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.719
that was made more in mind for like the white
607
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:22.519
audience than probably most Bollywood movies are. So yeah, I
608
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.880
wonder if they thought, like, that's that's how we're gonna
609
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.519
hook them, is you know the Darcy. You know, we'll
610
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.519
be white and we'll get a Lexus Fladell. It'll be great.
611
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.079
I don't know. I think that like this was one
612
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.639
of the first movies too where like I mean, Lalita
613
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.719
has some really great lines, like she totally calls him
614
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.880
like an imperialist and she's like it's awesome. Also, one
615
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.440
of my favorite lines too is when she like they're
616
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.920
at dinner and they're talking about India and india struggles
617
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.599
and she's like, you know, you have to keep in mind,
618
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.199
we're only like as a country, we've only had independence
619
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.239
for sixty years. After sixty years, Americans were like eating
620
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.320
themselves over slavery, and I.
621
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:05.800
Was like, hey, yes, like true, you.
622
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.159
Know, some some truth. So like those lines and like
623
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.480
that bit like I always like. When I first watched
624
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.639
this as a young teen, I was like, oh, like
625
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.400
this is expanding my viewpoint a little bit, and I
626
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.280
liked that as watching it as an adult though, Like
627
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:34.400
Darcy has some really like xenophobic and classist ideas. And
628
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.480
the thing that I think disappoints me if I really
629
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.280
want to analyze this movie is that he doesn't he
630
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.559
seems to drop them because he's like, oh, Lalita's pretty
631
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.360
and I like her, not like doing the actual work,
632
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.320
you know. So I'm like, you know, just falling in
633
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.159
love with an Indian woman doesn't make you not racist anymore,
634
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:56.639
right for sure?
635
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.639
Yeah? And I think to like, I mean, and I
636
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.920
know this is like part of the adapting because this
637
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.480
happens in the original in a different way, but I
638
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.280
think too, just like the implications of him just being like, oh,
639
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.239
my family wouldn't approve of us being together, Like it
640
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.199
just comes off as like very like very racist and
641
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.360
very insensitive in a way that I think is just
642
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.320
like heightened by him being white and her being Indian
643
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.800
in a way that like it's not in the original
644
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:38.119
text right, you know, where it's like Wow, I don't
645
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.280
know if I can forgive that the same way I
646
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.639
forgive Darcy for saying that in news right in the book.
647
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.119
And also like how do you know? It's interesting too
648
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.599
that they didn't kind of take the approach of like
649
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.440
how does my like, how does Lolita's Indian family feel
650
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.519
about her going for a white American dude, Like they
651
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.239
aren't immediately like fuck this guy, and like you shouldn't
652
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.159
be doing that with a man who is like that,
653
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.719
you should be with an Indian man, which is like
654
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.079
I think something that would be explored more maybe if
655
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.159
it were made today.
656
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:18.039
Yeah.
657
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.440
Another thing that Ange pointed out that like, I.
658
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.599
Like, after she said she was.
659
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.199
Watch it, which she also really enjoyed it, but she
660
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.440
pointed out and like, is like shamefully something that I
661
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.000
wouldn't have immediately like wouldn't have immediately.
662
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:36.599
Clicked for me, is that.
663
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.719
Like like the the entire family and sisters, like they
664
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.760
are very light skinned and like so this is like
665
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:49.000
and you know, very light skin cast overall and that's
666
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:54.559
like something else that is an issue of class and
667
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.800
race in India specifically, that is just kind of not
668
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.159
touched on at all. Would like, obviously, this is a
669
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.039
like romantic comedy Bollywood movie, so it's not like there
670
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.079
is an expectation to be like, let's start digging into
671
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:15.920
these really complex issues, but something too like note and
672
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.480
again like we're all white here, so like we don't
673
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.360
know what we're talking about.
674
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.800
But yeah, that should be the name of this podcast.
675
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.119
We are white and we do not know what we're
676
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:26.719
talking about.
677
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:32.760
After the line after Darcy gets called an imperialist, doesn't
678
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.440
he say I'm American?
679
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.880
She's like exactly, which is great.
680
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:44.599
Yes, that just really hones it in on how Americans
681
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:45.880
view themselves.
682
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:57.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah cool. I just feel like this is
683
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.840
a Bollywood film, so we have to talk about the music.
684
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.679
I know Mary has a favorite song. What were our
685
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.119
thoughts on the music?
686
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.920
My first thoughts is just that I wasn't ready for
687
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.039
the gospel choir on the beach.
688
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.079
No one is certainly unexpected.
689
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.119
I couldn't have guessed that was coming, like in a
690
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:19.800
million years.
691
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.679
That being said, I loved it, and then they disappear.
692
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.760
Yeah, Yeah, it's a large choir too, like there's a
693
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:29.199
lot of people really want choir.
694
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.480
Yeah, and there was no one watching them. They were
695
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.480
just yeah, out there.
696
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.519
That's how it feels to be in love. It's like
697
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:41.920
you have a gospel choir.
698
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.920
I also love how Darcy just never sings. They're like,
699
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:47.320
he's we're not gonna do that.
700
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.000
Isn't that just? I mean, let's just stop for a
701
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.920
minute and think about Darcy in this movie and how
702
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.679
as a white man he's really not expected to do anything.
703
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.519
Yeah he does bang on a drama and yeah, yes
704
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:04.480
he does.
705
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.239
Means he's fully embraced the culture.
706
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.440
Because I remember earlier when I was being grumpy about
707
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.280
doing the dance. Now look at me, and he find.
708
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:21.599
It petting the dog while screwing in the leg. That's bad.
709
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.800
It was bad. That's that's one of the lines that
710
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:25.880
I don't think age as well.
711
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.960
Yeah, that's rough. I mean, it does just show how
712
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.480
he's pretty insensitive.
713
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.119
Yeah, do y'all do y'all think he voted for Trump? Yes, Darcy,
714
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.400
this this version of Darcy probably yes.
715
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.000
Yeah, probably would.
716
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.599
Asking myself about characters.
717
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.679
Hotel, here's his version of Darcy would never ever astely.
718
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:52.360
He would never.
719
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.280
He's also not American, so he couldn't. But if he could,
720
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:58.800
he would, he.
721
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:04.079
Would not, he would not marry. What's your favorite song?
722
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.119
I mean, no, no life without wife yea, Yes, it's
723
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.760
so funny and the dance is fun.
724
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:18.800
And I just love Hollywood dancing. I really I love it.
725
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.000
It's just wonderful.
726
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.199
Dancing is really fun and that song is really fun
727
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:23.719
for sure.
728
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.159
Yeah, that song is my favorite too, because I love
729
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.880
that it's like the sisters just totally ribbing on each other.
730
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:37.480
It feels like, yeah, like realistic to like that sister relationship.
731
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.079
Even though they are pretty frustrated with each other, they'll
732
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.039
they'll still yeah, like totally tease each other.
733
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.239
And it's good nature, really funny.
734
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.639
It is very good natured. It's a very funny song.
735
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:54.199
It reminds me a lot of Matchmaker Matchmaker from Fiddler
736
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.320
on the Roof, like just kind of joking about like
737
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.400
what if you married this, ohful, wouldn't that be funny?
738
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.519
And the fact that they keep flashing to him and
739
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.320
his little like underwear on his bed, like doing.
740
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.840
Tiger poses or whatever, so.
741
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.800
Just making fun of him. Because this version of Collins
742
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.960
is so ridiculous and like and like, he's a genuine
743
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.239
ridiculous so that when Charlotte or Chandra ends up with him,
744
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.719
I'm not like immediately like oh poor Chandra, but like
745
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.280
I am kind of you know, but he's he's like
746
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:29.199
so easy to make fun.
747
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:29.519
Yeah.
748
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.719
I also though I feel really old now because when
749
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.400
I was in high school watching this, I was like, Oh,
750
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.920
he's so weird and gross, and now I'm like, I
751
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.280
don't know, he doesn't seem that bad.
752
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.079
He's a little.
753
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:41.880
Weird, but.
754
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:44.320
He's a little weird.
755
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:50.360
But this other guy so related related to that. Just
756
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.159
to highlight how I feel about weird little guys. I
757
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:59.960
was in a meeting at work somebody we were talking
758
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.519
about all the Neil game and stuff, very sad, and
759
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.920
one of my coworkers was like, I'm shocked. Who would
760
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.719
want to sleep with him? He's so weird? And I said,
761
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.320
some people like weird little guys, and everyone in the
762
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:21.960
meeting looked at me and laughed, Wow, they were thinking
763
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:28.519
about Todd, and that was very mean. Do you think
764
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:34.039
Todd would self identify as a weird little guy? Yes, yes,
765
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:42.000
but it's different when it's weird little guy parentheses insults. Yeah,
766
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.000
weird little guy parentheses compliment.
767
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.960
But aren't you then comparing him to Neil Gayn, Is
768
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.639
that what's happening?
769
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.480
Not in my mind. They both have wild hair. That's
770
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:58.440
about where it ends.
771
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.719
Tots a poet, Oh poets would never poets famously never
772
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:06.960
weird little guys either.
773
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.280
They're pretty much exclusively weird little guys.
774
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.960
It's been a weird little guy.
775
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:24.360
I don't think so he's not, then, is a weird
776
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.000
little guy who can pass for not a.
777
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.360
Weird He's a weird guy, not pass not little by
778
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:35.719
any stretch of the imagination, not in personality or in
779
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.880
the hYP you.
780
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.880
Know, No, he's definitely not little in personally.
781
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.840
I feel like I can say pretty certainly that Justin
782
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.079
is not a weird little guy.
783
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:53.440
No, no, cool. Now that we've talked about our weird little.
784
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.840
Guy, I mean, maybe I'm a weird little guy.
785
00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.360
In mine.
786
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.360
Tears that is tab a weird little guy.
787
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:09.960
Yeah, yeah, it's fun, it's I don't.
788
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.840
Think it's a weird little guy.
789
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.480
Though, you're wrong.
790
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.599
It asked me, one of them, what else do we
791
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:19.360
want to talk about?
792
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:30.480
Aren't there? So this is tears? I said, like, this
793
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.519
does feel like a Bollywood movie made for a Western audience,
794
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:48.960
very British. Is this like, why have there not been
795
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:49.559
more of these?
796
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.880
Or have we just gave them ideas for four more
797
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.960
than they can do so or five more they can do?
798
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.440
Are we rating this film? Is this a film that
799
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:03.159
we should rate?
800
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:05.960
I don't know. We've five out of five.
801
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.920
It's been unclear on whether we always rate movies or not.
802
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.159
You know, I'll probably give it a four, a four
803
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:14.719
star on Letterbox.
804
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.920
I also gave it. I give it a four on Letterbox.
805
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.960
I have one more comment about the music, right I
806
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:28.960
start singing, no, please please do uh? The big number
807
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:39.840
at the beginning where Darcy is talking to what's her name, Karen. Yes,
808
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.400
he's talking to Kieren and he's like, what are they saying?
809
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.679
And she's like, oh, they're saying this, and they're saying
810
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:51.039
that that's a great number. I wish I had something
811
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.880
more critical to say, but that is a great number.
812
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.119
And it does feel very Bollywood of like we're gonna
813
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.800
go through these prescribed motion of like the guys see
814
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.920
the girls, and the guys sing their verse, and the
815
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.480
girls come out and sing their verse and they do
816
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:14.360
their dances. I love it. I love it. I love
817
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.440
the flowery language in that song.
818
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.000
Yeah, it's a good exposition.
819
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:29.519
I loved our guy Navine was getting after it and
820
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:36.239
that number just like getting after it. Yes, I love
821
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:42.519
the commitment. Yes, the opposite of Darcy vibes who standing
822
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:43.119
they're scared.
823
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.800
Yeah, I gotta get back to the hotel and answer
824
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.559
my email boring, aren't gonna buy.
825
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:56.519
Them that that? I feel like that also dated this
826
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.920
a little bit. There's so much emails. Nobody emails anymore.
827
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.440
Of her like going to her.
828
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.519
They're all like sharing the laptop obviously, and then or
829
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.480
strain the computer. And then she goes to check her
830
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.199
MSN inbox and it's like refreshed and then it's like
831
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.840
no new messages and she's like.
832
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.159
Yes, very much of its time.
833
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:20.880
What would it be now, Like I gotta go look
834
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.079
at slack. Yeah, I gotta check.
835
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.760
My texts, But you wouldn't ever have time to do
836
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.199
it because it's all in your hands all the time.
837
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:29.800
M hmm, so.
838
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:40.719
Healthy check my dms okay, amazing four stars. We talked
839
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.719
about the movie, Oh Susan four stars? Who else didn't
840
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:43.960
we it?
841
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:44.239
Mary?
842
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:44.880
Did you read it?
843
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.239
Give it an extras Justin Fries for re Chore on
844
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:48.639
the Beach.
845
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.840
I feel like, out of sentimentality and nostalgia, this will
846
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.800
always be a five star movie for me, despite its flaws.
847
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.559
Yes, it does not have to be perfect to get
848
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:03.760
five stars.
849
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.960
Right right also because this has not been mentioned and
850
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.639
I do feel like it is my obligation to mention this.
851
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.280
The same director, Grinda Chatta also did Bend It like Beckas.
852
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.679
Oh yeah, and she also did another adaptation for a
853
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.000
y book, Angus Thongs in full frontal Stars. She did
854
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.000
that one, she did this one as well. Yeah, so
855
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.159
I'm just you know, I haven't.
856
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.400
Had a movie of that, but I read those books.
857
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.480
The movies pretty fun and that Aaron Taylor Johnson as
858
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:44.000
a very baby. And then the girl who plays Demelza
859
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:48.280
and pol Dark Jazzbine something. She's like, that's like her
860
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.000
first role too, so she's in that. There's a lot
861
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.880
of like somewhat famous people in that. The girl who
862
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.199
plays Georgia is married to Rupert Grint, I believe. So, yeah,
863
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.599
I'm full of random fun facts about it.
864
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.239
I do. I do love things like Beckham.
865
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.880
Too, Yes, that director, and I know she has said
866
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:09.519
in the past that it is very hard for her
867
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.280
to get funding for the types of problems that she
868
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.480
wants to tell. So that's unfortunate.
869
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.239
I wonder when the last big when was her last feature.
870
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.599
Let's see, I'm looking it up right now. She did
871
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:30.639
something in twenty nineteen, blinded by the Light. Yeah, I
872
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:37.360
think twenty nineteen was her last. Oh man, Yeah, so
873
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.280
I don't know. I don't know what she's up to now.
874
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.320
She should get more chances.
875
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.480
Agreed, she's great, She's great.
876
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:53.679
Do you hear that big Hollywood people who are listening, Yeah.
877
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:57.360
Yeah, I would say that's our primary audience, Big Hollywood.
878
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.559
Yeah, who are also weird little guys.
879
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:22.320
Cool. Tears A, it's time to talk about your book. Yeah,
880
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:29.840
all right, everyone readers everywhere. Tears A Tere's the Price,
881
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.960
has a new book out today. It's called In Want
882
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:39.000
of a Suspect. I would like to hear, Tearsa, you
883
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.519
give us an elevator pitch for your book.
884
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:46.400
Okay, So, In Want of a Suspect is the first
885
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.079
in a new spinoff duology, and it is like a
886
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.559
sequel to Pride and Premeditation, which is my murder mystery
887
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.400
retelling of Pride and Prejudice. So in this one, we're
888
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.519
kind of like going completely off script. It is an
889
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.360
original mystery. It's not based off of any Jane Austen plot,
890
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:10.079
and I honestly did not expect her a sequel to
891
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:13.320
Pride and Premeditation. But like so many people were like, oh,
892
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:14.880
I can't wait to see what happens next, and I
893
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.000
was like, oh, oh, crap, I guess I gotta, you know,
894
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.840
maybe figure that out. So it was really fun to
895
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.159
come up with an original mystery and just imagine, like, okay, well,
896
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.719
now that Lizzie and Darcy are like no longer hating
897
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:29.119
each other, what happens if they just were like solving
898
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:33.760
crimes around London. So that is this book. And yes
899
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:39.320
it's a new mystery, and there are new characters. We
900
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.079
get to find out a little bit more about Darcy's past.
901
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.239
So yeah, it's just it was a fun, fun one
902
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.280
to write. And if you enjoyed the characters from the
903
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.840
first book, I hope you enjoy this one.
904
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:57.039
So a couple of things. First of all, I know
905
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:05.400
your other books have been retellings of Jane Austen novels
906
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:10.559
but turned into mysteries. Was it at all scary to
907
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.719
like go into this uncharted territory, especially with two characters
908
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.079
that people love so much.
909
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:20.239
Oh yeah, because I was like, Okay, I can come
910
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.559
up with like mystery ideas all day long, but then like,
911
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.039
I didn't really have a blueprint for like, Okay, what's
912
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.440
it look like when Lizzie and Darcy are no longer
913
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.159
like hating each other and they are actually working together,
914
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.239
and what like would their relationship look like and how
915
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.400
would that progress? And of course, like I'm writing my
916
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.000
version of Lizzy and Darcy, not Jane Austen's version, but
917
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.920
I still wanted to like stay true to like the
918
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.320
characteristics that make people fall in love with them. So yeah,
919
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.840
it was it was a little intimidating. I there was
920
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.039
lots and lots of back and forth between me and
921
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.960
my editor to be like is this plot good? Is
922
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.719
where we going in a direction that like makes sense?
923
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.360
Are we going to lose people? Is this too far afield?
924
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.679
Or is this really you know where we want to go?
925
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.159
But ultimately I just had fun with it and hopefully
926
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:10.880
people will have fun reading it as well.
927
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.039
My second question and then I swear I'll let other
928
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:22.519
people ask questions. I feel like this book stands alone,
929
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:27.440
Like if you haven't read Pride and pre Meditation you
930
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:33.199
could still read this and get it. And even if
931
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.079
you haven't read Pride and Prejudice, I think you could
932
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.800
pick up this book and read it. So have you
933
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:41.679
had readers say like, oh, I don't know if I
934
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.599
can read this one because I didn't read the first one,
935
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.599
And like, what would you say to them? You can
936
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:48.480
pick this up.
937
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.360
You can definitely read this like as a like a
938
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.719
standalone without having read Pride and Premeditation, Like I think
939
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.719
there are things that happen in Pride and Premeditation that
940
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.559
do come up. So that's like like mild spoiler alert
941
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:04.760
for that. And as somebody who like hates spoilers and
942
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:06.960
always wants to read things in order, like there's a
943
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.880
part of me that's just like, no, you have to
944
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.960
read I don't, but I don't want to turn anybody
945
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.360
off from this, Like I mean you.
946
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.159
Should, you should read Pretty Meditation. You should, but I
947
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:17.800
mean you.
948
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:18.840
Don't read all my books.
949
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:24.320
But yeah, as someone who does not like anyone to
950
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.159
tell me I have to read all the books in
951
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.480
a series, especially in order, Like I just want to
952
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:33.360
reassure that other people like me that you can like this,
953
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:37.159
this is a story that like it has a beginning
954
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.119
and an end, and you can read it as its
955
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:40.800
own story.
956
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:44.159
Yeah. I think like the challenge with like writing a series,
957
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.840
especially one that like I started out not planning for
958
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:49.159
it to be a series, is that I want to
959
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.559
feel like there's something that's like carrying the characters through
960
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.320
book to book, so it's not just like an episode
961
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.039
of the Week or a mystery of the Week where
962
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.320
it's like, Okay, now they're doing this, now they're doing that.
963
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.840
Like I want to see character grow through that. But
964
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.159
at the same time, like my editor and I had
965
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.119
like a long talk about like wanting this to still
966
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.880
feel like it's own standalone mystery. So yeah, you can
967
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:11.280
totally pick this up and enjoy this on its own.
968
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.079
I think your enjoyment might be enhanced if you read
969
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:18.320
frid and Premeditations. But you don't have to, so you
970
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.519
can do whatever you want. I am not going to
971
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.519
be the book police. You can read out of order.
972
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.119
No one will know no one, no no read this one.
973
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:27.159
Don't read.
974
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.039
I don't get notifications.
975
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.719
I want what would you say?
976
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:36.880
Those through lines are like that you are hoping for
977
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:40.440
for the characters throughout the entire series.
978
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.559
Oh yeah. So one of the things that I like
979
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.400
the most in the original and I like in a
980
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:52.800
lot of retellings is Lizzie's independence and how she is
981
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.880
determined to do things and like live her life on
982
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.960
her own terms. And so that was something that I
983
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.320
really wanted to like explore in Pride and Premeditation, and
984
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.239
I did, and then I got to the end and
985
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.639
it's like it's not like Lizzie fixes, you know, sexism
986
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.000
and is now this like liberated woman, Like that is
987
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:15.280
still something that like she comes up against in the
988
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.920
following books. And I think that's like very unfortunately realistic
989
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.639
to to like just how our world is, like we
990
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.400
we can overcome certain challenges, but like that it's not
991
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.239
like we can fix the patriarchy in one nice little
992
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.800
I know, sorry to break it to you. So like, yeah,
993
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:45.639
like exploring justice, especially like Lizzie has like an ever
994
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:52.559
evolving understanding of class and my versions, and then also yeah,
995
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.280
just figuring out like what it means to be an
996
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.079
independent person. In the first book, she's proving herself. In
997
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:01.559
the second book, she's still proving herself, but like also
998
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.239
trying to prove that she can do what she wants
999
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.639
to do and even though she has a romantic attachment
1000
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:12.320
to Darcy, like she doesn't need him in order to
1001
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:13.760
do what she still wants to do.
1002
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:18.719
Yeah, and I appreciate that, Like there is still throughout
1003
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.400
this book like figure them figuring out what exactly is
1004
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.440
going on between them, because kind of like you read
1005
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:28.119
Pride and Prejudice and you finish, you're like, well, they're
1006
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:29.320
together now, and.
1007
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.119
Like, yeah, they're off into that. Yeah, And a.
1008
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.239
Lot of books spend that way, and so it's nice
1009
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:38.000
to see like the evolution of a relationship that like
1010
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.239
has officially commenced and now like how do they deal
1011
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.360
with like different things that come up, like I don't know,
1012
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.920
someone's ex showing up or something like that.
1013
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.199
Yes, And I didn't necessarily want to like make them
1014
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.320
break up halfway through this book, Like that was something
1015
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:56.960
I actually thought about, because you need conflict in the book,
1016
01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:59.559
and I've never written, I've never read a book where
1017
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:02.719
there's liken a established couple where like the endgame wasn't
1018
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.960
like and now they get together. So it was a
1019
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.119
little bit like weird for me to be like what
1020
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:13.079
conflicts would like face, you know, But then it wasn't
1021
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.119
that hard once I started thinking about it, because like,
1022
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.239
just because you get together with somebody does not mean that, like, okay,
1023
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:20.360
now you're going to be together forever. Like there's constantly
1024
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:24.119
challenges you're as you are growing, you are also hopefully
1025
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.320
growing with that other person, and I feel like that
1026
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.440
doesn't get explored as much. And why so that was
1027
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.000
kind of fun to explore as well.
1028
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:41.679
I thinking about exploring you mentioned two things, you are
1029
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:46.400
writing your own version of Lizzie and Darcy, your own take,
1030
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:50.519
and then also that this novel sort of freed you
1031
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.480
up to explore more about those characters, and you specifically
1032
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:59.519
mentioned like Darcy's family and like the past. How do
1033
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:04.360
you how do you sort of disentangle your version of
1034
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:11.639
these characters with like the er text and free yourself
1035
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.760
up and give you yourself permission to do some of
1036
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:18.320
that exploring and playing with them.
1037
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.760
Oh yeah, that sometimes was hard for me because I
1038
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:24.760
tend to like get blinders on and I'm like what
1039
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.679
this in the original it's like this, and then but
1040
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.519
I don't know. I think like writing a murder Mystery
1041
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:35.400
version was like so off the wall that I was
1042
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.719
almost gave me permission to just be like, well, they're
1043
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.039
already running around London trying to solve a murder, so
1044
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:44.440
like what who cares if we break from tradition when
1045
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.800
like this other sense? But it was like a little
1046
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:51.440
bit difficult because and this one, like I had to
1047
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.119
like reckon with like Okay, what does Darcy's family make
1048
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.599
up actually look like? And like how do we deal
1049
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:02.679
with like characters that aren't necessarily in the original, but
1050
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:06.719
like by necessity you know, are in this one because
1051
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.639
we brought the ages of these characters down, So that
1052
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:14.559
did kind of create some complications. But learning to kind of,
1053
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.440
I guess lead into the plot corners and tangles that
1054
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.800
I write myself into and be like Okay, how can
1055
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:25.199
I use this now? Yeah, So it definitely we play
1056
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.159
much more fast and loose with I think the characters
1057
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.480
and the inspiration in this one.
1058
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:31.719
But I don't know.
1059
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.400
I think at a certain point, you just like break
1060
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.239
so far from like the source material that you can
1061
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:37.280
just kind of have fun with us.
1062
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:38.280
You're doing your own thing.
1063
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:48.960
Yeah, I would like to know as Leanna Jane Austen
1064
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:53.719
is an influence in driving force behind these characters and
1065
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.639
your other works too. Are there any mystery authors that
1066
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:03.840
kind of have that like esteem for you in Florence?
1067
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:11.679
Oh, so like mystery authors that I feel influenced by
1068
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.480
her that I love. I mean, I get that. Christie
1069
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.079
was like one of the first mystery authors that I read,
1070
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.320
because like my grandmother had like a ton of them,
1071
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.199
so I would always like steal her books and read those.
1072
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:29.760
I got into mysteries though in a big way when
1073
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.119
I was older, and I'm like, I'm actually looking at
1074
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:37.039
my mystery shelf right now. I love Tan of French
1075
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:40.960
and I know she's dark and Irish and contemporary, so
1076
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.119
it's like totally different from what I write. But I
1077
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.960
feel like I learned a lot about like plot and
1078
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:53.400
character when reading her books. Her books are so brilliant
1079
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.360
more recent like inspiration. There's this series called The Agency
1080
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:04.000
Series by y s Lee, and it's a ya series
1081
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.400
and it's set in Victorian England and it is about
1082
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.559
a young woman who is passing as whites in Victorian
1083
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:16.440
England and she's like a spy and she's going on
1084
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:21.599
all these mysteries. Yeah, it's really excellent. When I was younger,
1085
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:25.760
I read the Sally Lockhart trilogy by Philip Polman. I
1086
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.679
don't know if any of you have ever read those Yeah,
1087
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.880
you know a lot of people have read his dark
1088
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:36.880
materials books. But he wrote the Sally Lockhart trilogy, which
1089
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:41.800
was like a Victorian young woman who is like breaking
1090
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:47.119
with tradition and running her own business and solving mysteries.
1091
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.039
And I love those books too.
1092
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.880
I'm now feeling very underread in my.
1093
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:57.199
Yeah, I's like, write all of that down except for
1094
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.320
a ton of fridge, because I know that I love.
1095
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:01.480
All counts there.
1096
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:03.360
Yeah, she's fantastic.
1097
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:11.480
Yeah, he's the best for sure. I feel this is
1098
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.800
a question that I've been wanting to ask a mystery
1099
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:21.400
writer because I feel we've talked about this before, just
1100
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.519
in terms of like mysteries and like how they work
1101
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:30.400
or whatever. But how do you feel about readers who
1102
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:39.239
obnoxiously or like I guess the end? I feel like
1103
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.320
you and I have specifically talked about this, which is
1104
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.840
why I want to hear what you have to say
1105
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.360
about it. I so okay.
1106
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.000
When I first started writing mysteries, I was like very
1107
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.440
much like, Okay, it has to be like so brilliant
1108
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.280
and it has to be so smart, because if most
1109
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:56.559
people can guess the ending, then like what's the point
1110
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.440
of even writing it? And I would like work myself
1111
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:02.480
up into like notts about like is this mystery smart enough?
1112
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:06.280
Does it have enough twists? And I think that was
1113
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.320
like sort of counterproductive because the fact of the matter is,
1114
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.719
if you read a lot of mysteries, you sort of
1115
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.359
pick up on a lot of things, and like, I mean,
1116
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:19.119
when I was a teenager, I would read mysteries and
1117
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:21.600
I would like be so surprised all the time. And
1118
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:25.479
now that I'm a lot older, I read mysteries and
1119
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.399
I usually can guess the ending. But for me, I think,
1120
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.000
if there's enough else going on in the book where
1121
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.079
I might guess who did it, but like I don't
1122
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:38.439
know how we're going to get there, or how like
1123
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.359
what the reveal is going to be like, or maybe
1124
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:43.399
there's a subplot that comes along that kind of surprises me,
1125
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:45.640
or maybe like, yeah, I think I know who did it,
1126
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.479
but I just really like this character and I'm liking
1127
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.560
the scenes and I'm liking the humor or whatever, and
1128
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:53.920
I just want to keep going. Like that for me
1129
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:56.640
is why I keep reading. Like you kind of come
1130
01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:58.800
for the mystery, but then you stay for like how
1131
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.319
it unfolds. And so when I realized that, like, you know,
1132
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:05.840
I'm never gonna write a mystery that like is gonna
1133
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.600
shock everybody because like, gone, girl's been done, you know,
1134
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:13.199
like after that, like what more can you do? I think?
1135
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.399
Then I just like try to lean into like writing
1136
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.600
the best book I can and like having fun with
1137
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:23.960
it and like really just writing scenes that make me
1138
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:29.239
happy and writing mysteries and incorporating elements that I find
1139
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:33.159
are fun. So if people guess the ending, and this
1140
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.600
is also interesting once you write mystery, not most people
1141
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:37.560
do tell you like, oh, I guess the ending, but
1142
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:39.079
I was just gonna lot people tell me I didn't
1143
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.039
guess the ending, and I'm awesome. It's so interesting to
1144
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:43.960
me how like some people will guess it and some
1145
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:45.920
people won't, and some people will come to me with
1146
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:47.880
their theories and I'm like, I don't know how the
1147
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.199
heck you got that, but like that is interesting. Your
1148
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.279
brain is interesting, So it's kind of it's interesting to
1149
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:53.920
see the range.
1150
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.520
I think like it also depends just on what kind
1151
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.000
of reader you are, too, because I think there are
1152
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.520
certain readers who are more like every second they're reading,
1153
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:04.920
they're like I'm trying to put the pieces together, and
1154
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.399
then there are readers who are just like, I'm here
1155
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:08.000
for the ride.
1156
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.000
I'm not going to try to like figure it out.
1157
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:12.600
Like That's kind of how I like to approach it
1158
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.319
because I always feel like I'm going to have more
1159
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:17.560
fun when I'm reading if I don't guess it, and
1160
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.920
so I'm not going to like try really hard to
1161
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:24.039
fry puzzle because I'm like, you know, what do I get?
1162
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:28.359
Then it just like the you know, the pride of knowing.
1163
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.119
It to go and read it and be like I
1164
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:30.800
knew it.
1165
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:37.079
I guess from the beginning, but there's no prizes you guess?
1166
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:41.920
Yeah, totally, I don't know. I heard that Tearsa is
1167
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.359
going to give away a prize to the first ten
1168
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:47.560
people who email her telling her that they guess the
1169
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:48.479
ending of this book.
1170
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:50.520
Well, she's never going to come back for.
1171
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.239
Kill his sarcasm. She's not actually going to do that.
1172
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.600
Don't email her. I have a question, so I will
1173
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.199
say I will say this. This doesn't time to go
1174
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.520
on the episode, but I just want to say, like,
1175
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.680
tears It does get some pretty wild emails.
1176
01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:10.960
I do I should share some of them. You feel comfortable.
1177
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:17.239
Yeah, no, I so, well, what's a trip? I will
1178
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:18.880
say this. I don't know if this will end up
1179
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.000
in the final show or not. What is a trip
1180
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:23.119
is when you write a book where your first two
1181
01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:26.159
books where there's like straight pairings, and then you write
1182
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.600
a third book where there's like queer romance, and then
1183
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.439
people feel entitled to tell you how you've betrayed them
1184
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.720
and how they will never trust you. And I'm no, like,
1185
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:41.359
I don't know you care, Like why I can't believe you.
1186
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.079
I can't believe you slipped in gay people.
1187
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:48.840
Like Also, why is a gay romance like a trust?
1188
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:49.439
Well?
1189
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.359
In what world do you didn't need to write on
1190
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:54.279
the first one like you.
1191
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:56.960
Trust?
1192
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:02.199
Also, since one is writing like two books that have
1193
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:07.279
a straight coupling a contractual promise to always tat a
1194
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.840
heterosexual couple, It's not like.
1195
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.399
There was a note at the beginning of the first
1196
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:17.880
one like hey, I promise my tears a promise to never.
1197
01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:23.640
Right. We can definitely leave this in the episode. It's
1198
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.439
just up to your tears that I just didn't want to.
1199
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.680
I don't want to put your emails on blast.
1200
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:30.079
You can, you can leave it in. I don't care
1201
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:35.119
because it is a little ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, that's it.
1202
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:38.800
It's just a bit. I think it's funny that people,
1203
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:43.199
I mean, like I like hearing from readers, and I
1204
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:47.079
just don't like hearing from readers when they're like being like, oh,
1205
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.720
how dare you do this? And I'm like, Okay, I
1206
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.960
don't need homophobia in my inbox. Also, if you're gonna
1207
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.119
like tell me I'm never going to read your books again,
1208
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.520
like you've lost me as a reader, I'm just like, okay.
1209
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:01.720
Cool, Like yeah, like they you don't have to better
1210
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:03.359
not right gay stuff anymore.
1211
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.359
Yeah right, Like I'm not going to pull the book
1212
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.439
off the shelf. It's it's written, it's done. Yeah, I mean.
1213
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.199
And I think it's interesting too, because my books are
1214
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:18.039
very tame in terms of like they there's kissing, but
1215
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:21.520
there's really not much more. There's lots of pinting, lots
1216
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:22.560
of hurting, but like.
1217
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:23.039
Which I love.
1218
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:29.039
I love. They're not sexy or spicy bay any means,
1219
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.279
and that's okay, Like, I mean, I like sexy and
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01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:34.319
spicy books, but that's just not what I wrote with
1221
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:37.239
these ones. And I will get people who have been
1222
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:40.840
like your books that kiss was like way too much.
1223
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:43.439
And and then I get people who are like, well,
1224
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.680
you know, I really like your books because they're clean,
1225
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.640
and I'm just like, I know you mean that as
1226
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.960
a compliment, but sex is not.
1227
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:52.800
Dirty, so like, yeah, you're not doing it because you
1228
01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:56.600
think like other people shouldn't and that isn't what people
1229
01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.079
should be reading or enjoying.
1230
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.880
It's just not the bad exactly.
1231
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.039
But I think you know, sir, you people find these
1232
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.720
books and they think like, okay, like this is this
1233
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.840
is how she writes, this is like how she always is,
1234
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.399
and I'm just like, wow, not not necessarily, it just
1235
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.600
happens to be like what I wrote for this book.
1236
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:18.800
So yeah, that is It is always interesting when you
1237
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:21.640
get those types of emails. I mean, and I again,
1238
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.800
I love hearing from from readers. I we if I disagree,
1239
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:31.399
I just don't respond, But yeah, it's it is interesting
1240
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:32.680
when you put a book out in the world and
1241
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.199
then people like write to you as if you're going
1242
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:36.960
to change the book after the fact, and I'm like.
1243
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.920
You wrote it especially for them or something. I need
1244
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:40.720
to respond to this.
1245
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.159
I like book is what it is. If you liked it, awesome.
1246
01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:46.520
If you didn't like it, Okay, you didn't need to
1247
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:52.079
email me about it. You can just with your life.
1248
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:57.439
I mean, people feel passionately, but also no author owes
1249
01:14:57.880 --> 01:14:59.039
individual readers.
1250
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.720
I mean, like on our last other side, when we
1251
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.319
were talking to James j H. Markert, he said, in
1252
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:09.199
the same day he got an email that said, this
1253
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.239
is the best book I've ever read, and then later
1254
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.920
someone else emailed him and just said you're trash, just
1255
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:20.239
like Hours of Parts, Right, people really feel entitled to
1256
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:21.760
just email writers.
1257
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:26.039
I think I think people feel like they invest a
1258
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:29.199
lot of time into a book and then they feel
1259
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:34.319
very like personally either like moved to love it and
1260
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:37.640
say something about it, or move to like I.
1261
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:40.319
Just can't imagine about it. Can you imagine like watching
1262
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:43.640
a movie and then emailing James Cameron.
1263
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:44.319
Like.
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01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.319
Those people who go on Yelp and like only leave
1265
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:51.960
negative reviews or like on Google Maps or whatever, and
1266
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.159
it's like all negative reviews. And I'm like, if I
1267
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:57.720
have a negative experience somewhere or reading something or whatever,
1268
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.199
like my instinct is not to go and like yell
1269
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:04.119
at like the person who I believe is at fault,
1270
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:08.479
who doesn't actually owe me anything, Like I'm like it
1271
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.600
makes perfect sense to me that you would like love
1272
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:12.840
something and want to express that you loved that thing
1273
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.840
to the person who made it. But hating something and
1274
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.960
wanting to express to the person who made it that
1275
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:22.079
you hate it is like a very weird different part
1276
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:22.720
of the brain.
1277
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:29.199
Yeah, it's an interesting way to spend your time. So yeah,
1278
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:30.520
if you want to tell me how much you love
1279
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:33.000
my books, of course, please you. But if you want
1280
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:43.279
to be homophobic, please that. Yeah, it just makes me sad.
1281
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.079
Yeah, well this is just back to mysteries. But like
1282
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:49.680
I feel like I always ask questions that are like
1283
01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:53.000
I don't expect you to actually like go into depth
1284
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.039
and answer all all of this, But I'm just curious
1285
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:59.840
about the process because like I wouldn't even know where
1286
01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.439
to start when it comes to like plotting a mystery.
1287
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:05.680
So how did you, like, first of all, how did
1288
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:08.960
you learn how to do that other than just reading?
1289
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:10.159
Maybe it was just reading?
1290
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.399
And can I add on to this question, yes, go
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01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:20.039
for it. Additionally, like, unlike the other books that you've
1292
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:22.840
written that are inspired by Jane Austen, the rails are
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01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:26.439
off here. You can just make a mystery however you want.
1294
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:32.199
You don't have to like remain true to any plot points,
1295
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.760
So yeah, how do you plot a mystery? And then
1296
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:38.439
also how do you do that? Or how's it different
1297
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.520
when you just don't even have the guardrails?
1298
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:47.680
Well, so I feel like writing mystery retellings like these,
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01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.640
like we're really great like training wheels for me to
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01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:52.560
help like figure out how to write a mystery. I
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01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.199
wish I had like an easy way to be like
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01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.000
this is how I learned how to write a mystery.
1303
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:59.399
Like no, I read a lot of mysteries and I
1304
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:01.760
had a lot of ideas, and I despaired, and I
1305
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.520
wrote myself in corners and I tried and tried and
1306
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.680
tried to figure it out, and ultimately I think what
1307
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:10.079
it was was like I wanted to write this prime
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01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:14.239
and Prejudice retelling. I had some framework because it was
1309
01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:16.239
going to be a Pride and Prejudice retelling, So like
1310
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.199
there there were some like absolutes where I was like, Okay,
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01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:22.399
this character is going to be a villain and there's
1312
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:24.760
got to be this plot point, and I want to
1313
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:28.159
have some version of this plot point. But for me,
1314
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:31.439
I do like I can't start writing a mystery until
1315
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:34.960
I know, like what the crime is why it was committed,
1316
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.640
and then like how and who and why and all
1317
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.600
of that stuff, and then I can kind of like
1318
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.039
build back from there and be like, okay, so what
1319
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.600
are going to be the red herrings, what's the obfuscation,
1320
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:52.520
what's the misunderstanding, and then sort of kind of figured
1321
01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:55.079
it out from there. Sometimes I have mysteries where I'm like, oh,
1322
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:59.159
what if we start where, Like with my second book,
1323
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.680
since a second degree murder, like that kind of came
1324
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:05.079
to me somewhat clearly where I was like, their father's
1325
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:06.760
going to be murdered, They're not going to know it
1326
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.640
right away, and like I had this like idea in
1327
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.239
my mind where they are cleaning out his study and
1328
01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:14.119
they discover that he was poisoned, So like that was
1329
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:16.000
kind of like my starting point, but then I couldn't
1330
01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:18.479
actually start writing it until I figured out, Okay, why
1331
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.119
was their father poisoned and how did it all happen
1332
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.800
and what was the setup? And then I kind of
1333
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.359
like filled in in the middle, and like there are
1334
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things I think, like I've learned from other writers and
1335
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:34.079
other mysteries, you know, just like Okay, everybody needs to
1336
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:37.119
have a secret, there need to be red herrings. There
1337
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:40.159
can be twists. There needs to be not always but
1338
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:43.680
like something it's helpful if there's like a reveal halfway
1339
01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:48.039
through that might make you change your mind about the characters.
1340
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:50.840
I also learned that, like just in the writing, like
1341
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.760
every chapter needs to have something that like propels the
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01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:58.600
mystery forward. So there's like a lot of like mechanics,
1343
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:00.680
nuts and bolts about writing the miss that I think
1344
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.479
I learned just like while writing. And then a lot
1345
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.720
of that other stuff too I picked up in And
1346
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.720
my editor was really great with this one, Like I
1347
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:11.920
mean I remember the first book. She was like, there's
1348
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:16.600
a lot of Lizzy running around following hunches. Can you
1349
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.600
like maybe have some physical evidence? And I was like, oh, yeah,
1350
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:24.880
like that that could be helpful. So yeah, I always
1351
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:26.319
feel bad when people are like, how do you write
1352
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:26.800
a mystery?
1353
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.880
And I'm just like, yeah, I think, yeah, that's a
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01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:30.560
good answer.
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01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.239
And I think you make a good point because we
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01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:36.520
have talked in the past about some mysteries that we
1357
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.079
read where it just feels like the same thing is
1358
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:41.359
happening over and over again, where it's like you followed
1359
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:43.439
this clue and then we follow this clue. We interview
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01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.640
this person. Then we interview this person and it just
1361
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:50.000
feels like the wheels are spinning but nothing is moving.
1362
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:53.880
And I don't think that's happening with your books, no.
1363
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:59.079
Okay, yeah, And I mean those types of mysteries I've
1364
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:01.439
read too, where I'm just like, Okay, now we're back
1365
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.319
to the same you know loop where were you just
1366
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:08.800
go through the same process. And so yeah, I think
1367
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:11.159
reading a lot of mysteries gives you like a feel
1368
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:14.279
for the pacing and for like the expectations that readers.
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01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:17.760
I think readers bring so many expectations to mystery novels,
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like I won't want to say like more than any
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other genre, because I think romance readers also bring a
1372
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:26.560
lot of expectations to romance, but mystery readers especially, like
1373
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:29.880
I think, have really high expectations. And so I feel
1374
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:33.399
very much like I have to to keep the plot
1375
01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:37.039
moving and the pacing moving, and I have to make
1376
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:41.920
every chapter pretty tight. And I feel like now when
1377
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.800
I plot mysteries out, because I've written five of them
1378
01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.439
and I'm currently working on a sixth, it's like you
1379
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.720
you do kind of get a sense for like, Okay,
1380
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:54.239
the like we've been going in this direction for so long,
1381
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:57.079
we need to drop something else. And sometimes that's fun
1382
01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.000
because like you just sit there and you're like, what
1383
01:21:59.000 --> 01:21:59.760
what could it be?
1384
01:21:59.840 --> 01:21:59.960
Like?
1385
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:05.279
What thing? What clue? What reveal? What you know? Sort
1386
01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:08.159
of misdirection can I throw in here? And that can
1387
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:08.560
be fun.
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01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:12.199
When you say you're working on another one? Is it
1389
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:13.800
the second book in this duology?
1390
01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:19.720
No, that one is written, so yay, Yes, the duology
1391
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:23.800
is almost completed. It's it still needs another round of
1392
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:28.680
revisions for sure, but that one is mostly written. I
1393
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:30.640
actually sent it to my editor not too long ago
1394
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.319
when I heard back from her and she loves it,
1395
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.439
so that is yeah relief. So yes, I still have
1396
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.119
to do another round of revision of that one. So
1397
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:42.840
hopefully it comes out next year, but we will see
1398
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.520
stand by for a release date.
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01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:51.279
All right, what Pride and Prejudice? What Pride and Prejudice retaelling?
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01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.119
What we talk about next time? I wonder?
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01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:56.199
Or is it something completely different?
1402
01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:57.920
Well, so this is a second in the duology, so
1403
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.479
it's like another completely original mystery. But I will say
1404
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:06.119
that I'm like leaning hard into like some pride and
1405
01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:12.800
Prejudice settings and inspiration with a second duology books. So yeah,
1406
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.239
after that, like, I am working on another mystery it's
1407
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:20.359
not Jane Austen related, so see, we'll see where it goes.
1408
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:27.000
Wow, that's I'm very curious to see a book of
1409
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.399
yours that isn't as much as I'm not trying to
1410
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:32.279
say that I don't love the Jane Austen, I'm very
1411
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.479
curious to read something else because I think one of
1412
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:37.600
the things we've talked about is, you know, when you've
1413
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:42.199
come on previously, is like how you adjusted the language
1414
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.359
in the book to fit with the like feeling of
1415
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:49.039
Jane Austen without it like being Jane Austen writing right,
1416
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.600
And so now I'm like, Okay, what do is tears
1417
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:54.720
a write like? When she's just writing like tears that
1418
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.520
and not doing her Jane Austen impression, you know. And
1419
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.960
I mean that in not a like I mean that
1420
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:06.439
in a complimentary compliment. Yes, yeah, it's been a very
1421
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:07.359
good Jade Austin.
1422
01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.520
I think it's I've been writing these books for like
1423
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:13.079
five years, so it's weird to like not be writing
1424
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:16.560
in this style. But it's fun too, because as much
1425
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.039
as I love them and I could keep writing them,
1426
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.399
it's nice to explore something else.
1427
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:25.840
Yeah, well I'm pretty for that.
1428
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:27.399
Thanks.
1429
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:32.720
Yeah, any other questions we want to ask? I feel
1430
01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:34.000
like that's a good spot.
1431
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:36.960
We don't want to spoil anything, so can we ask
1432
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:42.000
about it spoil I know we've asked before, But pet update?
1433
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:43.199
How are the pets?
1434
01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:47.640
The pets are fantastic. My Golden Retriever is actually like
1435
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:49.640
I have a glass door in my office and he's
1436
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:56.199
like on the other side. And the cats are adorable.
1437
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:01.159
The orange kitties are orange kitties. My demon cat, Dolly
1438
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:03.199
is a demon, so you know.
1439
01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:05.199
We love that.
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01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.079
You know, I appreciate that she moves to the world
1441
01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:12.079
on her own terms. Yeah, so I don't appreciate it
1442
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:15.199
when her own terms include clawing me. But you know,
1443
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:17.039
girls got to do what girl's got to do.
1444
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:25.159
Yeah, amazing. All right, everyone go read here's this book
1445
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:28.560
right now. You can get it wherever you buy your books,
1446
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.279
but preferably go get it from an indie bookstore.
1447
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.159
It's so much fun, and like, I love this series
1448
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.479
and I love I love the Darcy and Lizzie, I
1449
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:40.319
love the whole thing, all the Jane Austin books.
1450
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:43.560
Can we have a moment of praise for the cover
1451
01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:44.960
as well? Always beautiful.
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01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:48.840
Yeah, I will read the credits since I have it
1453
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.119
right here. The jacket art is by Emma Congdon and
1454
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.880
the design is by Karina Lup.
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01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:00.520
They did such a great job this one.
1456
01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:03.760
It's like, yes, adorable cross stitch.
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I love it.
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01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:10.359
And on the top, yeah, speaking of pets, an adorable
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01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:14.079
pet companion enters the story.
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01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.960
Yes, and Emma was a cross stitch pattern designer and
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01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:23.680
she actually made the cover. She designed the cover in
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01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:27.159
like her cross stitch pattern software and then she just
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01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:28.880
like converted it and made it all pretty with the
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01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.560
colors and everything. But then because she made it that way,
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01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:38.439
she gave me a like cross stitch pattern. So I'm
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01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:39.560
slowly stitching.
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01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:43.840
Yes, it looks great. I'll thank you. So cute?
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01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:47.840
Oh I.
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01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:50.039
Did.
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01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:55.520
I was talking to Tears about this, like, why is
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01:26:56.119 --> 01:27:01.960
in all Pride and Prejudice adaptations? Why is Lizzie always
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01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:02.800
the hot one?
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01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:06.560
You know, it's supposed to be, It's supposed to be Jane.
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01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:09.439
Jane was very beautiful. Still, I don't know.
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01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:16.479
I feel like, oh, Rosnick Pike is definitely the one
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01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:16.960
in that one.
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01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:24.439
I feel yeah, yeah, but I was just like Fire Island, Yeah.
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01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:27.319
Bowen versus Joel Kim.
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01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:30.319
I'm sorry, Bowen is Bowen Young is adorable, but I
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01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:37.399
wouldn't say he's like the hot one between those. I
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01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:39.359
don't know. It was just a reflection I was having
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01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:44.600
because I thought, personally, I thought that she was that
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01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:49.039
Lalita was the hot one in this one. But yeah,
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01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.640
I mean, they were all beautiful, but I was like,
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01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:53.600
she's clearly like very hot.
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01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:56.920
She was, you know, insanely beautiful.
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01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:02.520
Like yeah, anyway, that's just like a random reflection I
1488
01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:06.720
wanted to throw in there before we moved off. I
1489
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.319
just need to ask, why is Lizzie always so hot?
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01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.399
It's like they don't trust viewers to like want to
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01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.319
follow our romantic lead unless they're the hottest person in
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01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:17.760
the movie.
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01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:18.960
And maybe they're right.
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01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:25.840
Maybe yeah, maybe they are right. Blog we are, we are,
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01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:26.720
we are working.
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01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:30.199
I'm obsessed with the fact that you started the ten
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01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:33.279
Days of Spooketober like October.
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01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:34.479
First and then never again.
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01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:38.439
Yeah, I'm going to finish it. It just might be
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01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:39.760
like next ar long.
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01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:42.920
I started end date to Spootober.
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01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:45.960
Really yeah, it just said ten days. I didn't say
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01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:49.800
through tenth or anything.
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01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:51.800
Sure did not.
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01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:55.520
I did start a dot. Yes, I gotta.
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01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:59.640
Yeah, so so we are going to write a blog
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01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:02.880
about the substance. I watched it for a second time,
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01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:06.119
so I'm really ready. I might watch it get my
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01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.800
thoughts in there. Yes, you can stream it on movie
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01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:11.479
Now listeners, so you should definitely go check it out.
1511
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:15.800
And here's a little trick. If you get a free
1512
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:20.640
trial of MOBE and then you say I'm actually thinking
1513
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:25.039
about canceling, They're like, can we double how long your
1514
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:28.800
free trial is? And you say yes, and then you
1515
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.000
write in your planner when it's going to expire.
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01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.760
Movie is clearly not sponsoring us because.
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01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.640
It can not be saying if you want to pay me,
1518
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:42.439
I will take it back. Just kidding, you have to
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01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:47.399
pay yes. But yeah, so the Substance, we're going to
1520
01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:49.960
talk about it soon. Let's talk about what's next on
1521
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.399
the pod on our one hundredth.
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01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:59.880
Book, Hey It's hum by Helen Phillips. You might remember
1523
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.079
the name Helen Phillips.
1524
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:02.800
Hey It's Hum from.
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01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:11.479
Hey It's Hump. We read Helen Phillips The Need a
1526
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.600
few years ago. Who can say which episode that was,
1527
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:19.000
but we all loved it, so I was excited to
1528
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:20.760
pick another book by her, and I did just pull
1529
01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:22.600
up I'm not going to read the good read summary,
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01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:24.279
but I am going to read this like quick little
1531
01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:28.520
blurb because it just to like entice people. It's about
1532
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.439
a wife and mother who, after losing her job to AI,
1533
01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:36.119
undergoes a procedure that renders her undetectable to surveillance. But
1534
01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:37.520
at what cost.
1535
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:42.399
Scary. I'm excited.
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01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:46.800
I really liked the need, and I am getting the
1537
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.399
book for free because I am an employee at Simon
1538
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:51.119
and Schuster that is.
1539
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.319
Always, and your opinions are your own.
1540
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:55.720
My opinions are my own.
1541
01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:00.319
I have shit on Simon and Schuster books before, including
1542
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:03.600
Colleen Hoover, who is at the very imprint for which
1543
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:03.960
I work.
1544
01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:07.720
So let's talk about the next other side, because I
1545
01:31:07.800 --> 01:31:11.760
am really hyped that we're talking about this movie.
1546
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.199
Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, I forgot I'm leading this
1547
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:22.079
well we good thing. I was an extreme music and lyrics.
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01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:25.239
Fan as a were you really yeah, I was.
1549
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:33.239
Saying, Unfortunately Buddha's Delight like all the way through.
1550
01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:37.319
So problematic.
1551
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:43.680
We are going to be discussing the movie music and
1552
01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:48.039
lyrics and also the book Roland Rogers isn't dead yet.
1553
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:51.680
That book is by Samantha Allen, friend of the show
1554
01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:55.560
previous guest who's also the author of Patricia Wants to Cuddle.
1555
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:57.119
We Love Samantha.
1556
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.880
We are have her. Sorry, we fixed it.
1557
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:05.399
On December tenth. I was like, we're very excited to
1558
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:09.760
have her back. On December tenth, I was like, that's
1559
01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:10.600
in three days.
1560
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:13.399
I was looking to like that. No, her book is
1561
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.920
coming out in December. What's happening and what day?
1562
01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.479
I haven't read her book yet.
1563
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:22.680
I have read the book already and it is very good.
1564
01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:24.439
I'm really excited.
1565
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.439
We loved her first book, and it's really funny to
1566
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:30.640
me that she chose music and lyrics because I haven't
1567
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:33.239
read the book yet. I'm not sure why. But this
1568
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.880
was specifically Samantha's request. There was not a list of
1569
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:41.119
options presented or anything. This was the request request. We'll
1570
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.760
be talking about music, no, she she asked, which I
1571
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:45.800
love we talk about music and lyrics. And I was like,
1572
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:48.800
let me check, and I was like, they said hell yeah,
1573
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:54.760
so yeah. I mean our answer is here's a Did.
1574
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:56.880
I think just give us one option for this episode
1575
01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.800
as well? And we said yes, and.
1576
01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:01.640
Well, yeah, it sounds great.
1577
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:02.920
And I'm so glad. I did.
1578
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:05.800
You put me like on the spot, and I was
1579
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.399
like this one. And then I was like, if they
1580
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:10.359
hate it, let me know and I'll brainstorm. And Emily
1581
01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:12.479
was like, no, they love it. I was like, perfect, Yes,
1582
01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:13.359
it's great.
1583
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:16.439
Please when it comes to some things, that's easy to
1584
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.319
please when it comes to others.
1585
01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:24.439
But we can guarantee we will never write you a homophobe.
1586
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:29.840
Thank you. I don't have a homophobic email in my body.
1587
01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:36.439
I can't make it through without a way that to love.
1588
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:39.520
I have never seen.
1589
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.039
One of my favorite movies.
1590
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:49.399
I love it, and I also I love Samantha Allen
1591
01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:51.199
song with us.
1592
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:53.600
We'll talk to Samantha about her book and we will
1593
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:54.680
talk about this movie.
1594
01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:58.600
Yes, or at least write us an email telling us
1595
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:03.159
how much you loved the episode and the movie.
1596
01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:07.000
Be like, we actually have feedback from the future about
1597
01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:07.720
this episode.
1598
01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.640
So weird, so weird. We haven't recorded it yet, but
1599
01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:16.199
here it is great. That's that's that's the episode. Do
1600
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:19.439
you want to talk to them, the people about the things?
1601
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.239
Or should we ask tears? Oh where people can find
1602
01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:22.880
her first?
1603
01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:26.560
Let's do Tears a last so that it's a lasting impression.
1604
01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:30.439
Okay on everyone, stay tuned. It's to be tuned for
1605
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:35.520
Tears's information. You can find us on social media. We
1606
01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:39.119
are at book Squaggles on Facebook, Instagram and not Twitter
1607
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:44.439
anymore because fuck you Elon Musk and fuck you Donald Trump.
1608
01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:49.039
So I have Should we finish every episode with Bucky
1609
01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:51.079
Donald Trump for the next well.
1610
01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.760
Yeah, we should try, but they might end up going
1611
01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:55.600
the way of Irish Wish, where we said we were
1612
01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:57.039
going to talk about it every episode.
1613
01:34:57.159 --> 01:34:58.840
Okay, all right, now.
1614
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:03.039
Now on we are talking about Irish Wish every episode
1615
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:05.840
and saying thank you Donald Trump and.
1616
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:11.800
That and that mention included is the mention I'm proud
1617
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.199
of us. Yeah, so fuck you Donald Trump.
1618
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:20.920
I have like reinvigorated our Blue Sky account sort of
1619
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.960
and we are at books, Buggles, dot Blue Sky on
1620
01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:26.199
there and then.
1621
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.560
And if you want a mood board, that's where I mean,
1622
01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:30.000
let's not make any promises.
1623
01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:33.520
And then I also made a pretty good mood board
1624
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:34.720
for this episode. I'm just saying.
1625
01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:35.920
I know.
1626
01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:38.720
I made us a Threads account as well, and my
1627
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:41.479
first tweet from our account was high threads, we don't
1628
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:43.600
want to be on Twitter anymore with a smiley face,
1629
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:46.079
and it currently has over five hundred likes.
1630
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:50.600
Amazing is an insane place and I love.
1631
01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:52.199
It, like I really, yes, that's a lot.
1632
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.880
It's cute. Threads feels like early Twitter to me, where
1633
01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:57.319
people are just saying.
1634
01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.560
Yeah, I mean it's eventually probably going to crash and
1635
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:04.239
burn some how Mark Zuckerberg is how. But for now
1636
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:04.600
it's good.
1637
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:05.920
Yeah, it's fun.
1638
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.119
Yeah, you know, we should put our mood boards on
1639
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:12.760
Tumblr because we do have a Tumblr account. Oh my god,
1640
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:13.399
temblar Loves.
1641
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:16.039
The last time the Tumblr account was updated was probably
1642
01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:18.319
in like twenty sixteen.
1643
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:20.000
Yeah, that seems right.
1644
01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:25.840
Anyway, we have those things. We also have a website.
1645
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:28.199
It's booksbuggals dot com. That's where you can find our
1646
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.800
blogs and all of our backlog of episodes. You can
1647
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:34.760
follow us on any podcast app.
1648
01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:35.319
That you use.
1649
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:40.079
Please subscribe to us on whatever app you use, but
1650
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:43.239
please leave us a rating and review, specifically on Apple podcasts,
1651
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:45.520
because that helps people find us. And it's been a
1652
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.680
really long time since anyone has left up a review,
1653
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:52.800
and it's like super embarrassing, like over a year. It's like,
1654
01:36:53.119 --> 01:37:00.119
come on, Like it's so embarrassing for us and for you,
1655
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.399
Like if you're sitting there and you're thinking to yourself.
1656
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:04.640
Have I ever left them a review even though I
1657
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:08.159
listened to the show. Isn't it embarrassing that you haven't
1658
01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:16.920
done that? Anyway? This is a type of five stars.
1659
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.720
This is somebody's you know, I gotta I got a
1660
01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:28.600
bit spicy for the listeners, So please do that. And uh,
1661
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:30.119
you can write us an email at the squad at
1662
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:34.159
bookswaggles dot com with your feedback about anything this episode
1663
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:39.279
or anything else Tears. H oh wait, I have to
1664
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:43.560
mention the patreon again. We have a patreon. Oh my gosh,
1665
01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:44.199
we keep we.
1666
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:49.439
Keep teasings, we have a Patreon.
1667
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:56.119
I would like to thank our patrons, Angela, Kate Todd, Kathleen, Justin, Susan, Alex,
1668
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.800
Bonnie Janet, and of course me, Kelly, the first and
1669
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:01.720
most important Tears.
1670
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:03.399
Where can people find you?
1671
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:08.680
So you can find me? I have a website tiarsaprice
1672
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:12.640
dot com. I am on Instagram, and I am on threads.
1673
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:16.000
I like threads, and those are really the only places
1674
01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:19.479
I hang out because yeah, no Twitter, fuck elon musk
1675
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:25.000
mm hmmm, those are good places, yeah, buck, yeah, yep,
1676
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:26.199
So that's where you can find me.
1677
01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:28.880
What a terrible he's in there?
1678
01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:34.199
Apparently he's taking a Supreme Court case to uh or
1679
01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:36.439
taking a case to the Supreme Court about trying to
1680
01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.840
just get rid of the National Labor Relations Board.
1681
01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:42.520
So that's cool.
1682
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:45.560
Based on what I don't fucking know.
1683
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.159
Yeah, I really do.
1684
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.840
We hate it here, everyone, We hate it here.
1685
01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:52.319
We hate it here.
1686
01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:55.479
But please remember that even while you hate it here,
1687
01:38:56.199 --> 01:38:58.399
there are things you can do in your own community.
1688
01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:03.319
Get involved in volun teering, find a mutual aid, fun
1689
01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:07.680
to participate in, you know, vote local anytime you can,
1690
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.680
or unionize your workplace.
1691
01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:18.159
Just try to remember.
1692
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:23.319
That, like the system is fucked, and like we we
1693
01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:27.039
have to do, like we are responsible for fixing it
1694
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.479
at this point or changing things, because it's not going.
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01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:30.279
To happen otherwise.
1696
01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:38.000
So god speed to everyone, and except for Donald.
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01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.279
Except for I mean god speed to everyone except people
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01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:43.319
who voted for Donald Trump and Donald Trump.
1699
01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:46.159
Yeah, if you voted for Donald Trump, you can not
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01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:48.920
leave us a review. You can stop listening to us,
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and you can go to hell.
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Go straight to hell. Wow, straight to hell.
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I highly doubt there's a lot of overallap.
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You think by now they would kind of.
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Yeah, I'm sure they've seen themselves out by this point.
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We have not been.
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Welcoming by partner.
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Hi.
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He here's a thanks so much for being here.
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Thank you.
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Everyone really appreciates it. We love you. We want you
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back whenever you want to come back.
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Ya, thank you. I love coming on the show and
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I love having a new book release as an excuse
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to come on the show. So thank you.
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You know you don't have to write.
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You don't have to have a new.
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Book release for my reason at all, honestly cool. You
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could just music and lyrics.
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I do, I really do. And I was very impressed
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by Kelly being able to say that song.
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I had not that was on my iPod and in
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my rotation.
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So I believe it.
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I do.
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Emily.
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I feel like you specifically are really going to enjoy
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this movie.
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Who's in it again? Is it.
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Grant?
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I love Drew Barrymore and Hu Grant.
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Yeah, they're great.
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And Haley Bennett.
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Yes.
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I especially love Hugh Grant. I can't wait. I am
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going to go see what's the name of his new movie.
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Oh, the the Church one.
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Yeah, I'm going to go see them, Yeah, Heritage. I'm
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going to go see them on Sunday. I'm pretty excited.
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Enjoy Yeah, I wonder if it'll be anything like music
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and lyrics.
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If you're lending, maybe it'll get a steer blog.
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I have so many new scary movies that I have
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watched for the blog blog. I've got a bad go away.
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Okay, I'm stopping all right, bye everybody,