Quantum Healing with Philipp Samor von Holtzendorff-Fehling

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Music.



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My name is Teemu Arina. Welcome to the Biohacker's Podcast. Today we are talking



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about energy and quantum energy.



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Specifically, my guest is Philipp von Holtzendorf-Fehling.



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He is a conscious entrepreneur, energy healer, and founder of the Leila Quantum



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Tech and Quantum Upgrade.



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He has been around the biohacking conferences, health optimization conferences,



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wellness conferences, and also podcast talking about quantum healing and energy.



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He has worked on himself and with his wonderful wife, who shares the same passion



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on developing these skills on the energy side as a healer.



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I would be very fascinated to hear how you got into that.



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But before we go into it, today's topic is quantum healing and energy healing.



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And we're going to touch on products and technology. For the listeners,



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I'm going to say that as the authors of The Biohacker's Handbook,



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which is based on 1,000 references, meta-studies, mainly published in the last



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few years with Philipp, we have had ongoing conversation based on studies, science.



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Like on these healing effects on quantum mechanics.



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Quantum mechanics obviously is a real



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thing and we can all probably agree



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that the human body is more complex than we



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realize most of the science has



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always been reductionist in nature so isolating things into single molecules



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or metabolic pathways or mechanisms so we need to isolate effects but anyone



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who is in the field of holistic wellness and health and well-being knows that



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even with food If you take something like coffee,



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we know caffeine is kind of the active ingredient,



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but there's 100, over 500,



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600 different molecules in coffee.



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And caffeine is different from coffee, like curcumin is different from turmeric and so on.



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So it's very hard to study, very complex things. So the best thing we have is actually...



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Isolate? What is the mechanism? But when it comes to holistic healing and well-being,



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like if you start from healing the gut,



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you change your circadian rhythms, you are starting to exercise,



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but in the end, it's all about patterns. It's about structure.



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It's about mindset because in the end, your body doesn't see what you see.



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They see the reaction that your body is having to the external world through



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your nervous system, through your hormones, through different biochemical messengers.



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So you can literally change your health and well-being by not just changing



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your environment, but your response to it.



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And the way I see quantum healing and all of that is to work a lot on that level



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of consciousness and mind.



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Thank you very much for Philip for you



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to join into the show thanks for having me on great



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so let's start and kick off life what got



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you into this field you are you



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have been an executive you have worked for T-Mobile in



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US you've been a vice president what got



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you into this health and wellness and quantum



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healing it happened on two paths basically



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one was that in the early 2000s I had



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realized that I had cut myself off from my own emotions



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and feelings and I realized that I



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discredited my own intuition and I



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discredited the intuition in others as well and when I



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realized that it sparked in me the desire



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to really find myself again and to



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find this intuition this inner voice that I



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had lost and that got me onto the path of



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yoga and meditation and then I got really curious what



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else is possible so i try to find some of the best healers



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across the world i myself got trained in



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various energy healing techniques shamanic practices in



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past life regression work and all of that and then the parallel path was you



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know with my wife at the time who's now not my wife anymore but we're still



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great friends and she got diagnosed with chronic lyme disease in 2010.



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And then doctors told her, well, you know, you'll either die from it or you'll



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just be bad and you just can't heal it.



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You just do whatever, take antibiotics and that's it.



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Nothing worked. I got into this rabbit hole starting in 2010 where I learned



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really what the pharmaceutical industry is all about.



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I understood, okay, there's all kinds of different modalities that you can try



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to optimize your body. We went to someone like Dr.



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Klinghart, who's the German Lyme disease guru who lives in Seattle in the U.S.



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And so I always try to find the next best thing that could help her.



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And I really found my passion in that.



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By the way, she's completely healed, right?



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She has nothing left since a few years, no symptoms left.



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And she was at a really bad state in between for a few years.



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So it's definitely possible. And that, in a nutshell, led to the vision and



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the mission for Lila Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrade.



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Right. So it was through personal struggle.



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So like many other people in holistic health and wellness, they come to the



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field from personal struggles and pain and experience and nothing works.



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And it's often their own change in their mindset of taking responsibility of



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their own healing that leads them to the path.



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So I assume you tried everything that comes to traditional medicine before relying



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on energy healing, samanic healing and all of this, I would guess.



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Yeah. So at the time we tried antibiotics for my wife, for example,



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and that was the usual world you turn to at first to the regular doctors.



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But then nowadays I would not go to any regular doctor.



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I would not take any medication unless I break my leg or something like that.



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I found out it's always an imbalance in the body that we can bring back into balance.



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And sometimes it's physical. You need to do some physical things.



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But at the same time, I'm a big proponent of taking care of our biofield, right?



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If we wake up and we brush our teeth and then we wash our face,



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we take a shower, and then we exercise, we take supplements,



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we do ice bath, maybe red light sauna, vibration plates, it's all physical.



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Yet we're energy and frequency at core. So if we can incorporate also taking



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care of our biofield, and there's lots of different ways on how I can do that,



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then that becomes really holistic biohacking from my perspective or bioenergy hacking.



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It's holistic health that I'm then chasing and not just one-sided physical health



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because I can do all the great physical things and still be in a bad state because



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I have emotional trauma,



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for example, or I just constantly vibrate subconsciously in anger and guilt.



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And then that's what I'm calling into my life. So I'm not going to have a happy



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life, even though I'm doing all the ice baths, all the whatever.



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So it's for me always to take into really the holistic perspective.



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Right. Let's get into that in a minute, but I'm going to backtrack a little



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bit into the Lyme disease aspect.



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And so I'm going to connect this to shamans and shamanism a little bit here



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as well. I'm going to pull out a scientific article.



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This research paper from 2020 was published in the frontiers in medicine magazine



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and the researchers were looking into this was the department of molecular microbiology



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and immunology from bloomberg school of public health john hopkins basically so really high.



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Level medical school. And they were studying natural and botanical medicines



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that have activity against Lyme disease,



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which is caused by different forms, both growing and non-growing forms of,



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like it's the Latin name for this pathogen that causes Lyme disease.



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And they were looking into traditional



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plant medicines that the indigenous people use for antibacterial,



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antiviral reasons and they



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use plants to heal right so they found



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out that there is particularly the



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most strongest active plants and herbal medicines against they compared this



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against doxycycline and cefuroxime which are the typical antibiotics for Lyme



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disease and they compared certain plants against that.



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And the plants in question that had highest functionality were black walnut, cat's claw.



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Warm wood, the Mediterranean rock rose, the Chinese school cap,



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and then from Ghana, this Ghanaian quininin, and knotweed.



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And the most strongest plants that were active even against antibiotic-resistant forms of Lyme disease,



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one of them is something called the japanese knotweed it



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has a antioxidant called resveratrol that people know



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from red wine as well that may have anti-cancer properties so this is like one



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of those things that works really well and then this plant from ghana has an



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alkaloid called and there's this plant i think the latin name for this particular



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one is cryptolepis sanguino and so these traditional,



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medicines used around the world against pathogens were more effective than traditional antibiotics.



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And the funny thing is that if we think of where antibiotics come from,



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they come from studying nature and they have used antibiotics against antibiotic



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resistant bacteria for ages that are often extracted from nature.



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And interestingly enough, those are often the.



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That have been used by indigenous people. In traditional medicine,



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we use, for example, if someone goes through a surgery, the stuff we use to



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put them into sleep is actually arrow poisons that were used by hunters in indigenous native communities.



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So I find it very interesting that nature is the ultimate biochemist,



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the ultimate synthesizer, the ultimate chemist of producing these complex medicines.



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And the healers that have been around for thousands of years have used traditionally



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different plants still in modern medicine when we are making new discoveries.



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Often those are derived from plants or extracted from plants.



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And with modern technology, we just try to make more effective,



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better extracts or modify the molecules so that we can patent them,



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but also that they can target specific things.



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So nature is super intelligent, but this study shows that we still don't know everything.



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By studying what the indigenous communities used, they might have already a



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solution to things like Lyme disease.



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I don't say that this study was conclusive because this was an in vitro study.



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It was in cultured cells.



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These essential oils, polyphenols, and plant compounds were more effective than



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traditional medicines used for Lyme disease.



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It doesn't mean that when you use this, you're going to eradicate Lyme disease.



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So that's also important to understand that even if we have a study that has



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like a very specific discovery doesn't mean it's going to work out if you take it internally.



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Maybe there are side effects. But one interesting thing about side effects is



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that sometimes the single molecule extract is a completely different thing from



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the full spectrum plant.



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In medicine, we try to have a specific compound and they might have side effects



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while sometimes natural remedies might be more balanced in their effect.



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I've seen studies on the genes, for example, where a specific extract has more



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side effects than the actual plant.



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So for this reason, I do respect traditional healing modalities.



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Especially when combined with modern technology.



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But there is another component that shamans use in addition to plants,



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which is the energy dimension and working with spirits, working with entities



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like they use allies, like they say plant allies that plants teach them things.



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So that's where we kind of like, in the West, we



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kind of are like hmm is that a real effect here so



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can you maybe talk a little bit about that like what got you interested in shamanism



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what do you think what i just said what is kind of your point of view what i



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just like kind of painted here about the connection of traditional medicine



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and modern medicine well first of all i think the nature is indeed.



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So intelligent that it provides a solution



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for any problem that there is and indeed



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the pharmaceutical industry has derived



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all that they're doing originally from



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the plant world and from what they saw in nature and try to imitate it in a



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chemical way regarding the you know shamanic and healing practices for me it



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was two things that really got me one is that i noticed while I was getting



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more into it that I was healing myself with it.



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I became more free. I became more connected.



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I realized more of who I am and I suddenly got more access to my inner voice



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again and to my inner power.



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So that is something that most people in nowadays world are cut off from because



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they just live rationally in their brains and they don't have connection to



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their true essence anymore.



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The other aspect was the potential of what I could do with myself or that I was solving.



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What if others could have that as well?



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The ability to see a healer that can within three, four days heal a broken arm,



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or there's a huge trauma that someone has had for many, many years.



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And because of that, there's tons of issues in life and you can solve it within in just a few minutes.



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That fascinated me. And that also eventually sparked the vision for what we're



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doing today, because what every healer does and every shaman does,



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they work with the quantum field and with specific frequencies.



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And it can be all kinds of different frequencies, right?



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So a shaman, even when they drum, what are they doing?



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They change the frequency that they can take you onto a journey.



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It's because of the frequency change.



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So you're suddenly tuning into that frequency.



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And if you just work energetically, you're also changing the field.



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And so that's the idea behind what we created, because if truly gifted healers



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can access the quantum field and frequencies, and we all can do that,



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by the way. So it's not that we can't do that.



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It's just most Most of us have forgotten how to do that.



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Now, Nikola Tesla, by the way, going way back, there are a few people that really



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understood how that works, that you can vibrate the so-called ether.



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Pull into this reality basically energy that



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you can then leverage here right a similar understanding even



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though we're not working at all with electricity is what



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we applied in developing these



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products that's in a nutshell the story right so



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let's talk about the frequency side of things here



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they use drumming to induce certain states



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it's interesting that there's a certain beats per



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minute in a shaman's drum which is similar to



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techno music for a good reason we call certain type



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of music trance traditional healers would



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go into a trance in a traditional setting it's not necessarily that the medicine



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is taken by the patient but often by the healer himself to access those dimensions



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realms frequencies to see what is going on with a patient and when And working with the energy,



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I know this because I have actually spent some quite significant time with the



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South American healers, living with them in the rainforest.



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And I've seen the work they do, and I have conversations with them.



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And the incredible thing about that is that many of the diseases of the West that we see,



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which are symptoms based, where someone is like, let's say, sick of a viral



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infection or bacterial infection and so on.



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Because of their traditions and all of that they didn't have



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microscopes so they didn't see for example that oh



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it's a bacteria for them it's it might



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be spirits that have entered the body and we now know we have immune system



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and if you have weak immune system you're more likely to get a viral or bacterial



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infection for example so the spirit of that can enter your body and cause illness.



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And the interesting thing about the healing that they work on is to work on



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the root cause that made you sick in the first place.



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So the sickness and illness, let's say now practically, scientifically speaking.



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This is weak immune system is caused by an imbalance somewhere else.



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It's often a psychological, psychophysiological, like



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there's a pattern in your life that is making you



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weak and more suspect or likely to



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get spirits or entities to enter your body



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so this is the way how i mean it makes all



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logical sense just like the in ayurvedic medicines



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they talk about body types so there is the fiery



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one and and like a cup and pita and all



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of this interestingly there is some studies that show that



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there's some correlation with genetic differences on people but



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we didn't know about genes but we probably like



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through centuries of observing people we noticed that not



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everyone is alike and they have certain abstractions



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of people and the way how they



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reach to the same information is through different tools



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instead of microscopes and petri dishes they use



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other techniques often coming from intuition seeing



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things seeing frequencies feeling frequencies that



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helps them to tap into what's going on with a patient and



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the healing itself is often helping the person it can be with plant medicines



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directly to eliminate the pathogen or help the body to recover or balance it



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but sometimes it's also about helping them to work with their psychology so



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it might be actually that their problem is.



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A close relationship they have with their mother or father



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or spouse or the toxic



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addictions they are in using alcohol of



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that is often a coping mechanism to something



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else that happened in your life they help you to



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get to the root of your issues so many people



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go and they have these planned ceremonies journeys



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they come face to face with their own like



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people describe their soul or spirit and they



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see the patterns in their life with new eyes so



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it helps you to see new perspectives and it's



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interesting how the brain works because every time you return something into



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your conscious short-term memory you bring into conscious mind the things that



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have happened in your life and sometimes those are buried the interesting thing



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about trauma is often you don't remember there's like amnesia the brain is protecting



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you it's kind of hiding that from you So in this state,



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sometimes you can see things that you have forgotten or you can see new ways.



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And that's also what a trauma therapist does through talk therapy or somatic



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therapies is helping you to tap into the same experience or energy that you



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are reliving thousands of times, getting into the root and basically reprogramming it,



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reliving it with a new perspective and shifting the frequency of that in a way.



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Metaphorically speaking, if I may.



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So they are kind of like helping you to tap into the programming and the interesting



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thing is that when it is seen from a different perspective the interesting thing



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about the way the brain works is that when you bring something back to memory



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and you are looking at it you are actually.



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Transmuting that memory you are changing it step by step with this new ways



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of looking and new ways of connecting it and this might be that helps you out



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of the loops this is what might help you to see new perspectives.



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You can use biochemical ways, like ingesting a compound.



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You can use sleep deprivation, drumming, breath work, all different ways.



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The interesting thing about ecstasy or ecstasis is connected to drug experiences.



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What actually that means is Latin ecstasis, which is out of balance.



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You need to bring the person a little bit out of balance, kind of in a different



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frequency through which they can experience and see the experience with new



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eyes and that's kind of like you're looking at the sunrise or a sunset if you're just in your typical.



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State you will see it in a certain way okay nice sunrise



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sunset but if you if your friend just died or you



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lost lost your wife or you lost your



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work or or you ingested a compound or



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you did a massive breadwork session you will



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see that sunrise or sunset with new eyes and this is kind



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of like what can happen with with like processing things



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and that's what i think is processing your trauma mind



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and it's like like trying to reprogram that



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memory that imprint so like where



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you come from and the kind of healing and frequency work you do is this like



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something that resonates with you is this something that could be the scientific



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explanation to what is happening when someone is shifting the frequency of their



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experience yes and no so when we're talking about medicines Obviously,



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the quantum tech works differently, but what it does, so we're energy and frequency at core.



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And if we take, for example, a very strong block that we have,



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right, we can call it a quantum energy generator, but what it actually really



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is, what most people don't understand, it's a multidimensional quantum space.



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That is what's inside. and that with



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that vibration that it has it reminds you of



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your own completeness it's as if it suddenly



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wipes the windows of your DNA so that your blueprint can come in that is the



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best explanation I can give on what the mechanism is and how that works think



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of you walking in the desert until you're almost dead because you don't have



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water you're completely dry and then there's someone that gives you a bottle of water,



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then you drink it and imagine that state where you're suddenly feeling,



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oh, I'm hydrating again, right?



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So you're getting a lot of power back. So on an.



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Highly concentrated quantum field or



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we can also call it as a high consciousness field can do



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and yes maybe you can compare it with



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the medicine but it it works a little bit differently



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but that what it is what it does and then suddenly because of that your biofield



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suddenly strengthens gets into balance and then physical things suddenly happen



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because if you're helping and supporting the biofield,



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then suddenly you see ripple effects in the physical that can be proven.



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And that is the mechanism of how it works. Then, of course, we can add specific frequencies.



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And those could be all kinds of different frequencies. It could be molecular



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frequencies that, for example, come from certain plants that you mentioned, right?



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Because every plant, medicine or every other plant, even in any supplement,



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has a specific vibration.



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And we can copy that and leverage that.



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You can take sound frequencies. There's all kinds of different frequencies that



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can be leveraged for certain use cases so that you could develop a frequency



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that helps you to sleep better,



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for example, or it helps you with your metabolism, or it helps you with more ATP production.



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So then the quantum field becomes sort of the carrier wave.



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It's just a neutral neutral field that's



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already by itself supporting our biofield



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but then you can add information in form



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of frequency and then when that vibrates then it



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signals to our body oh wow i can vibrate in this i could leverage that and that's



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pretty much how that works more and more people now wake up to the fact that



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we're energy and frequency once you really realize that that is at core what



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we are energy and frequency then you're like



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How could I have forgotten that? It's the most fundamental truth of our existence.



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Yet everyone is running around not realizing that and thinking we're just this physical body.



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In a sense, we're in super interesting time rooms right now.



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I find it fascinating because what is happening now is that the consciousness



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really comes through more and more.



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And that's also why I love so much that you're changing into the whole of life, for example, right?



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Because it actually mirrors that, you know, the process that is happening that



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we're taking into account more than we looked at before, not just the physical.



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Yeah, I do agree that the physical is just one dimension of that.



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So in biohacking, it's a lot about the body. It's very materialistic, body-centric.



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It's like biomarkers optimizing, like what are you optimizing there?



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In the end, biomarkers are just statistical averages.



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Most of the studies on biomarkers are where disease is happening outside a certain



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reference range, and inside a certain reference range, there's less of a certain disease.



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But still many things are mysteriously connected.



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And if you have inflammation, your cholesterol goes up. If you have not slept,



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your cortisol will go up.



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If you are overstressed, your cortisol might be so low that you're not producing



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it. The body is releasing.



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So it's kind of like a compensatory system that is trying to kind of maintain.



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It's almost like driving a bicycle where when you become skilled,



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you're living in more harmony with the environment and you're able to do these micro adjustments.



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This is how I see the body also. in a way when you learn



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the manual of how to run yourself like



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we can talk about daily routines we can talk about circadian



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rhythms we can talk about diets all of that but there



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is not a single algorithm or blueprint don't believe if someone claims they



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have like some kind of ultimate secret formula for forever it's something that



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is a moving target and it needs intuitive adjustment and also practical scientific



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adjustment in some case because there's also many effects or things you can feel.



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But can you feel your low magnesium levels right now?



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Probably. I mean, if you have experience of measuring it and seeing your symptoms



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and intuitive feeling, but most people can't know if they have low vitamin D or not.



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One thing that we have discussed is kind of like this scientific thing.



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And I know this is a hard thing to do because there is limited evidence on quantum healing.



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Just to give a little bit of a background in quantum healing,



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often there is a connection made between quantum mechanics, quantum physics,



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to biological organisms.



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And many of the quantum physics phenomena at microscopic scales,



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like the principles of superposition, entanglement.



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Uncertainty, like all of these systems don't directly translate to biological



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systems based on studies.



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So at the scale of a human cell, they might translate at the



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scale of an atom, but at the scale of a cell that might be completely different.



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So based on this complexity, there is lack of empirical evidence on the mechanisms



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of how quantum healing might happen.



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And the controlled studies are often poorly done.



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And the extrapolation or the metaphoric explanation that so many people do sometimes



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confuse the whole thing and spreads misinformation, misunderstanding of the



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basic physics of these things.



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So for example, the idea of consciousness directly altering



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quantum states this is still remaining a



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theoretical concept it's not proven whatever tesla said we are energy frequency



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yes we can see all these things and we can measure certain things and we can



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see all of that but if consciousness can directly alter matter like this is



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this is like a healer might be able to claim that with my reiki where also you mentioned bio fields.



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So in Reiki, for example, people work with energy.



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And the best healer I work with is a Chinese medicine doctor who uses acupuncture



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and uses meridians and all of that.



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We're still kind of trying to find where is the meridian here.



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And we have discovered there's these lymphatic channels, recent discoveries,



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even like they just found new anatomical things in the human body.



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It's just a few years ago, they found the lymphatic stem that extends to the brain.



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They found new lymphatic channels in the body that they thought they had like



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figured the human organism out but we are still discovering and then there is



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these thousands of various traditions that claim to work with certain frequencies



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or healing modalities and for my own experience.



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I use all of it. I use traditional scientific methods, and I use some of these modalities.



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And the crazy thing is, I met an Ayurvedic doctor some years ago,



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who basically just from the hand read, said very specific things to me and my girlfriend at the time.



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And those things have come true in like the last five to 10 years.



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So he saw something in just a brief second, and was able to explain it that



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was very hard to just go and claim like that's happening.



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I've had people who have gone to traditional healers



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and the healer might say yeah you have like something there in in



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your lower back and a few years later they're diagnosed with



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like some spinal issues and like



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how do they see that then they might say i just like see the energy and so so



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maybe some people are so sensitive that they can see dimensions that that regular



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people can't and it's very hard to translate and communicate and use language



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to explain things So you're using terms like biofields,



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like in terms of just scientific debate, it's still like an open thing.



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But what I appreciate about you is that you are trying to bring the science into the quantum field.



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So Leila has done 60 plus studies.



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48 of those are placebo controlled. You have seven ongoing studies based on your website.



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I've read some of the papers. Some of them are higher quality, some of them less.



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But at least you are trying to explain what's happening here.



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But what I'm interested in is like you say that the block, for example,



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is multidimensional space.



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How is that created? How does it work?



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Please explain to me. I want to understand a simple language.



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So how it's created, we don't share because that's also that's asking someone



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for their secret recipe.



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You know, we've worked really hard on finding out how to do that.



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We share the technology and make it available, but we don't disclose how we



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actually got to that point because that was the real big effort.



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How does it work? Again, it is a certain form of very high vibration of the



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same source energy. So call it source energy. You don't have to call it quantum energy.



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There's different words for



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the same thing. It's the same energy that vibrates in each of our cells.



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If we understand that, no one needs to believe me, that's totally fine,



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but that's still the way it is.



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It's the very same energy that vibrates in each of our cells,



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and it acts like a battery charger. So it charges us with that.



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It makes in this reality more of that energy suddenly available.



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So when we're depleted of it, now we can charge ourselves with it.



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And that has a very positive effect because then indeed what happens is that



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our energy system is uplifted.



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We get more into balance. And then you see all those ripple effects in the physical.



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And by now, I mean, it really, there's so much evidence now.



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You're right. Some of the studies that we have done at first were lower quality.



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We started off with just simple before and after testing.



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And if you do simple before and after testing, of course, that's not scientific



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evidence, but that's how you get started.



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As a small company, you don't have the means and the possibilities to start



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with gold standard studies. So we started with before and after effects and



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then realized, wow, it's working every time.



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And it's doing this over and over again.



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And then, of course, we graduated more and more and more.



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And people like you have been very helpful on that path because you've challenged



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us in the beginning and said, you know, I need to see more. You need to have more and show more.



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And that's what we've been working on. And I think every year we've.



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Done more and we've shown more and by now we



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are at a point where we can invite anyone any brain



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surgeon in the world any influencer to get



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tested for example and that's just one of those testing methods to get before



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and after tested with their brain waves for example even including a 5g call



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to show people what actually happens to the brain when you're exposed to a 5g



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call for 30 minutes as an example,



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and what our technology is capable of doing.



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Literally after that, there's no question mark anymore at all for anyone.



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We've been showing this now in studies also, and those studies will also be



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published in a medical journal.



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Women's fertility, for example, done with 30 women, that will be published in a medical journal.



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And right now, it's actually being expanded to a hundred women to just have



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a larger sample size even.



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But then again, I want to say, because there's still a lot of people out there



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that think, okay, you have to have like a thousand or 10,000 people in a study



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for this to be statistically significant.



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That's complete BS. It always depends on how big is the change.



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You know, if I have a vaccine that doesn't work and I want to show marginal 1% evidence,



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I sometimes need to go to maybe a million or 10 million people so that I can show something, right?



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But if something really works and has significant effects, you can already have



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statistical evidence with 12 or 15 people.



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And that's important for people to understand.



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Yeah, you mentioned that the cells are vibrating at a certain frequency.



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Now, let's kick the tires a little bit. You mentioned brainwaves.



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So what causes brainwaves when you have neurons that



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communicate with each other you have a group of neurons firing electric



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signals like this this is something



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that we are capturing in an EEG so this coordinated generation of electric activities



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shows up as patterns or brainwaves of certain frequency right so alpha theta



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gamma etc like slower and and faster brainwaves now in terms of a cell,



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you have sodium channels, potassium, calcium, those minerals,



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they create and regulate a charge in a cell.



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And the interesting thing about the electric potential of a cell itself is,



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I mean, the membrane is definitely like there is a distribution of electric



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charge on the membrane. And if people want to check, they can look into the



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Biker's Handbook about the specifics of this.



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So these charges are essential for cell communication, yes, but they tend to



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oscillate. they think to change frequency quite rapidly and there's like different



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dimensionalities of this.



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So they show different frequencies based on metabolic activity,



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on cellular communication, on other processes.



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So when you say that there's a change.



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In frequency of the cell what do



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you actually mean are you speaking as a specific are you



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talking about the average are you talking about the electric signaling



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of neurons specifically are you talking about the cell membrane charge



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are you talking about a specific channel like please



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enlighten me here what do you mean yeah i'm talking about the vibrational charge



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it doesn't change a specific frequency because it's just a neutral quantum energy



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field which is again that It's the same base vibration that the cells have.



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It's not a particular frequency that I'm tuning in as a cell.



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It's just sort of the baseline.



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Any cell always has a quantum field and doesn't go away. Even if all those bioelectrical charges change,



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even if I promote a specific frequency or signal to a cell or expose it to something



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different, that never changes.



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It's sort of the baseline. that is always there



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but then i can indeed infuse specific



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frequencies and signal to the cell here



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you know go into activity mode or go into



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resting mode and then the cell can react that is possible with infusing specific



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frequencies right when people talk about like often conscious people they talk



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about like high frequency is better than i operate on a higher frequency or



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like something as low frequency is bad and high frequency is better,



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I can tell you that if you have high frequency in terms of heart rate, you're going to die.



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So you want to actually have low frequency in terms of heart rate,



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but not too long. They're talking about something different.



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Or heart rate variability, like you have a higher variation of the heart rate



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frequency. I know that because you have done HRV studies also on this,



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because you've been trying to look into different frequencies,



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dark microscopic studies, you have done HRV studies, all of this.



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What is that? That is the distance between heartbeats that



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varies over time so there's like this amplitude or



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change in variation between heartbeats that's



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the heart rate variability and that's what you know you can see it's kind of



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one frequency one representation one dimension there's multiple different dimensions



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heart rate is like one the distance between heartbeats is another so these are



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these are frequencies with with heart rate variability you want to have high



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frequency you want high variation with heart rate,



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you want to have low. So yeah, I find it sometimes.



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Funny when people are like high vibe, low vibe, like, what do you mean?



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Like, if you are super high vibe in terms of your brainwaves,



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you have ADHD, bro, like chill out, meditate, like lower your frequency.



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So what I think people want is not higher or lower frequency, they want resonance,



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they want, you mentioned that in a way, they want harmony, they want resonance, harmony,



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resonant potential, also long term meditators, when they put them



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into reactors and look what's happening in the brain it's the



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synchronization of frequencies across brain regions



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they don't know what it is what's happening but



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there seems to be electric activity and coordination between different areas



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it's almost like you're dancing to music and then you find the beat and that's



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like where biological organisms strive when you are about to get heart attack



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like you have arrhythmia That's like you have a loss of free resonance or the



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beat or the rhythm and like maintaining a certain rhythm.



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I mean, if you look at earthquakes, that's how we detect them.



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We try to find anomalies in the background vibrations and in that way we can



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detect or predict potential earthquakes happening.



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So is that like, what is when you harmonize? What is when you stabilize the



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biofield? Like what's happening there?



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You have done many studies, so please enlighten me.



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So it's a great point that you're talking about the high vibration and the low



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vibration, because it indeed depends on what you're looking at.



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If I use my vibration plates, I can have a very high vibration on a high frequency



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or on a low frequency, and the low frequency isn't worse at all. It's just different.



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I think what people talk about and what we talk about when we talk about a high



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vibrational state, it's a higher consciousness state.



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Referring, for example, to the work of Dr. David Hawkins that set up a,



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it's actually a really interesting book for listeners that are interested in



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attractor fields and how that works.



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Power versus Force by Dr. David Hawkins, a very interesting book,



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also available as an audio book.



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And he set a consciousness scale from zero to 1000, where the low levels of



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consciousness are anger, shame, guilt.



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And it's very important to understand because if we vibrate in low consciousness



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levels, in low vibrational states, then that is what we're calling into our



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lives because that's how this reality works. How we vibrate,



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that's what we get into our outer world.



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And if I vibrate in anger and shame and guilt, that's what I have in my life.



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Now, if I can change my vibration and lift myself



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up out of these low vibrational states into for example unconditional love or



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a state of joy for example joy is this almost this perfect harmony with what



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is and with myself that you described that you know people seek this harmony



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and then you could call that the enlightenment zone right.



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That is what we talk about we have in a book actually



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the biker's handbook we do refer to david hawkins



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originally we looked into his material we actually



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didn't end up putting his map of consciousness into



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our book because lack of evidence but what we did



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we took multiple more academically credible



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perspectives into consciousness development



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and we integrated them into a single



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image and that's where in our



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mind chapter comes this integrated view of evolution



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of almost territorial survival paradigm all the way up to higher states of consciousness



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and in between you have reasoning logic science cause and effect and when you



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go to the higher states that's where we get into more universal mind or seeing past yourself.



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Into this transcendence it was



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even in maslow's hierarchy of needs the last step



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which is self-actualization and on



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the whole life summit website we even refer to



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this self-actualization that that's one of the highest



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states in your life is like you already



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are you have evolved you have emotional physical



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safety social connections you have a well-functioning



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body you have a well-functioning mind you have



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a logic reason you understand multiple cause



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of effect but then going beyond that is like beyond



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self like it's no longer about you it's it's like



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the the not self the the other



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the connection to the universe the plants



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seeing that we are all one we are all connected just like



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you can see every human is almost like a cell in a cell in



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a body called humanity like your body is



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a collection of cells in a body of a human and within



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every cell you have atoms that are coordinating together



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that and molecules that are then forming the



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cell so there's like these multiple levels of from



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microcosmos to macrocosmos and even the whole universe is like reflecting in



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certain ways the principles that you find in every cell you find in every atom



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in like this idea of evolving towards higher frequency like enlightenment peace



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joy from grief, affity, guilt.



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We see also like you feel down. We have this language like I feel down, I feel like low.



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And when you feel high, that's when you are like more joyful, more ecstatic.



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Maslow actually, he didn't include because he was afraid of church actually.



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So the spiritual establishment of publishing his points of view on transcendence.



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So what does it mean to transcend yourself almost like



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becoming godlike immortal infinite and that



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is the state of consciousness that is



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beyond self that is omnipotent and or only



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that it has like this omnipotent quality to



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it in a sense and we might call that enlightenment and



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this is what is in david hawkins work but i



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find his book letting go absolutely fascinating



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but he has other books as well i was recently recommended



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by someone that i should get his book



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called transcending the levels



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of consciousness for anyone interested in this topic this might be a like a



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treasure trove to to dive into but i i found letting go a huge help for my own



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psychospiritual healing even though i couldn't find proper scientific evidence



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for his work he had this abstraction that made a lot of sense to me So,



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I do agree on that. Yeah. So...



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Okay so you are basically working with these energies and



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these like frequencies and so people can put



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objects or things into this block and you



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claim that it is changing its state or doing



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something that like i mean i can't see



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with my naked eye what's happening but like what can people.



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Expect when they put things into the block you



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change the vibration of whatever you put



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inside and that can be more or less



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helpful if you put let's say a golden Rolex watch



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in there right then you just have the benefit of it shining



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more it vibrates higher people that are sensitive



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to energies they can actually see it people that



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cannot see energy they would tell you oh it looks more beautiful



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now it starts to become really useful if



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you put water inside for example because you can



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structure water with this as has



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been shown not only by the emoto institute



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in japan which has been



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reselling our products since they performed these



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analyses because they found well this is quite



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incredible but then you know there's also people



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that say well okay the emoto institute that's great work



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but i i'm more mainstream i don't buy into what



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the emoto institute says so we said okay



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let's let's see what else is out there and



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we had bumped into through a professor that



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had run some tests in the u.s he found out that the redox potential changes



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of substances that you put in inside the block now the redox potential is something



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that you can measure as a chemist it's just mainstream it's black or white and



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so there's a chemist in germany that ran a study.



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So we, first of all, tested multiple different substances and found,



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indeed, yeah, that's true, the redox potential.



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She couldn't believe it, but it still happens. So then we said,



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okay, so it'd be nice if you could do this with water.



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And Jen, please repeat it 12 times, just so that on different days,



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just so that, you know, there's for some other people that want to see something



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chemical, they also can see what happens.



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And then each time the redox potential changed quite significantly. So there's that.



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So there's something happening. What else is this relevant for? It's relevant for food.



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Now, the claim, I'm not making a claim with the food right now because I want



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to be really mindful because food sensitivities and food allergies, while widely known,



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there are so many different reasons and there's way too many substances for



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me to make a claim and say this technology can help with that.



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But there is a lot of evidence pointing to the situation that the vibration



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of the substance you put in.



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Is harmonized so that once you then ingest it, it has less of an effect.



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Now, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence, first of all, across the board.



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I mean, we have probably hundreds of people that have reported that over time,



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even with things that they could never, ever consume a lemon,



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for example, in their life.



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With severe consequences, now they were able to. We even went to,



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as far as three and a half years ago, at Dave Asprey's biohacking conference



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in Orlando, live on stage in front of over 100 people.



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There was a live test done. It is still visible on our YouTube channel, by the way.



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With someone that's allergic to crab meat, scientists put crab meat in his arm.



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He instantly got red. He developed blisters almost, and he got really itchy.



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And people could see that right in that room. the same crab meat they put in



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our block for, I think it was five minutes or six minutes.



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Now we know it's just three minutes is what's needed.



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And then they put the crab meat in his other arm, no allergic reaction, right? Okay.



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Of course, it's certainly possible. However, it always happens over and over



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again, also with the same person.



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Then we had a clinic in Munich, that's the last point to that.



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Study that with a $40,000 device where they can test the food sensitivities



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and the allergic reactions and stress response of the human body.



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And they found a 55 to 85% reduction in allergy and stress response of the human



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body if the substance, whether that was lactose or gluten or even sugar.



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Like a chocolate, was put inside the block beforehand.



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So again, I'm not making a claim. I'm not suggesting.



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As a matter of fact, I'm saying the opposite. that do not try this at home because



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it may be too difficult if you have a severe allergy. But there is something there.



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So now as a biker i can eat all my gluten like



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i just put it in the block and i will be fine but yeah



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i find this fascinating i mean in one case placebo



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is real like all of that at least you're trying so you



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have like you looked at hrv you have looked at atp



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production energy production of the cell you have looked at



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redox potential you're looking at allergen response stress



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response like different messengers if people want to



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check it out like on your website lila l-e-e-l-a-q.com



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slash research you can find papers you can check



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them out there is the moto study also on the



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structure of the water that's interesting but i'm



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open-minded i'm ready to try these things i've got



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a pendant that has this charge in it



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so let's see if i'm gonna sleep better this week i got



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some for my groin some emf protecting



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things and this is like based on restudies like all these



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fabrics can really reduce electromagnetic radiation



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does it have a real effect well i got on my table i got like this fully covered



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on silver fabric under and i measured that it produces way less emf now i can



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put pants on that i got your block i'm ready to try i might have some food sensitivities



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but I'll see what happens with these things.



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My concern has always been that you have a proprietary method and technology



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that you don't show but you do.



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Placebo control blinded studies of



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that you do most of the research with open cards but like



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what is the trick in terms of the quantum field charge



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product this is like your trade secret



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the product that even the scientists don't necessarily know but they can measure



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these effects i find it fascinating i want to be a believer and if people want



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to hear more they want to dive deeper into this whole thing so philip and me



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we're going to get on stage we're going to talk about the evidence,



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the science, all of that.



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He has some new studies coming out with whole life summit, 14, 15, June.



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They will be there. Philip will be there. So we're going to have a little conversation



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and very happy, very eager to see if something comes out of this that is proven.



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But you have a lot of cases.



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You have a hundred women, most of them getting benefits. So something is working.



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Is that placebo or is there real effects will remain to be seen,



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but your studies are a great thing because many people



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in this industry they are not doing the studies they are



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not sharing any of the data they don't share any of



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the results they just have claims with you at least



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you are pushing that forward you're spending your



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hard-earned money on getting the studies out so



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that we can see effects on this and you have like testimonials you have a lot



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of customers behind these products and yeah like there is there are so many



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things about the quantum healing aspect where i mean i've read the quantum healing



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books and all of that a lot of it is like done by meditators but there's real



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scientists who have also like.



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Been driving into it if people want to check out the blog the capsules the clothing you can go to.



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Leelaq.com Leela Quantum Tech you can also google it you can find their products,



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on everything and all quantum healing and frequency and vibration i think we're



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going to do another podcast because i think we need to like really get to the



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root of this but yeah people can come to the Summit have a little conversation



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listen to it see the product yourself try it yourself.



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Let's see if we find someone who is sensitive to



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crab meat or something else there's definitely going



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to be a lot of gluten not necessarily allergic but mentally



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and physically intolerant people so very fascinated



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to see the response on your technology and products



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and i appreciate your i'm open-minded



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so i want to try these things and see what's really there and you said that



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anyone can come to a lab see for themselves i'm gonna do that i'm gonna come



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to your lab at some point and check out like if we are able to change my state



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from exposure to these things With that, how can people know more?



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I mean, you've got the research articles, you've got the products,



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you've got the testimonials, all of that on your website, if they want to follow



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you or any other resource you want to share.



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Yeah, so they can follow me personally on Instagram at philipvhf or at lilaquantum



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on Instagram. That's for the social media people out there.



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But then there's a very interesting aspect here. That's our Telegram community.



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We have a pretty large Telegram community of very active customers,



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over 11,000 in total. but there's one specific group, the English speaking.



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All about Lila quantum technology.



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It's over 7,000 people and I'll share the invite link with you.



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Maybe if you want to put it in the show notes, if you're interested,



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you also can access it through our website but you would not find it on Telegram because it's private.



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We don't want bots in there and no uninterested people.



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And there you can hear from real people and you can ask questions,



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listen in and maybe that's a good step. Wonderful.



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So on the website, Right on the bottom, there is a link to join the Telegram group.



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I'm going to put it into the show notes. I'm going to put leelaq.com on the show notes.



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The group name is Quantum Power Group. So let's find the power in quantum to



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help us heal and find the resonance and frequency that we all need in our lives.



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Thank you very much, Philipp, for this conversation. I'm fascinated to learn more.



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Thank you very much for having me on, Teemu. Awesome. I'm gonna have all these



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pants on and see what happens you know in a few months the Summit is coming



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along pretty nicely and I need all the protection from bad spirits I can and



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hopefully this was fun and interesting.



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Music.