Ep. 165 I Cast Thee Out!: Real Exorcisms

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Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
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dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
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Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
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As we go Beyond the Shadows.
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True crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs, cryptids and unsolved mysteries.
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Conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation.
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And all the like are just a few of the
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topics that we will tackle.
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If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
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on our show.
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Do you know what the world is?
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The alystus?
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When you found me in Des Blacks from Heart Sarvis
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and you see the cracks are these creepy things?
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That's right?
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The fact what the defens be by the actions ad So.
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This is that you want UFOs, a ghosts.
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We have everything that's you want.
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It won't do you know what the mostest thing.
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In the world is. Hey, guys, and welcome back to
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episode one sixty five, Beyond the Shadows.
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Welcome back Shadow Armye.
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So me and Ryan just got back from trick or treating. Yeah,
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brought the boys out fucking pouring. They didn't cancel here
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they did in my original hometown, but yeah, here we
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got to take the boys out and nuh do some
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trick or treating. But it was a little soggy.
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Yeah, sogun it.
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Yeah, it wasn't too bad. It could have been better.
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But cold too. I stepped in out on how many
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puddles up to my knee caps.
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But we're recording on a new computer, and I just
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wanted to mention that if the sound is a little off,
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let us know. We're still kind of working off the
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kinks on a new system. It'll take us a little
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bit get it adjusted back to normal. It sounds a
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little funky.
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It's if it sounds better than usual.
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I doubt it, but maybe.
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Nothing we do usually comes out better. It's usually only
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for the worse.
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A new computer alicsode, I'm gonna pronouncing everything correct.
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So I was beginning I was starting to tell you
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a story earlier. It happened to me literally today I
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was on I go walking on the trail. I take
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the dog walking, uh to get him some exercise. He's
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a little most of you probably heard. His name's Jax.
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He's a what the hell kind of dog is he?
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He's a CHEWEENI is half wiener dog, half kihuahua, and
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he's literally afraid of everything. But we were out on
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the trail today and as we're coming back, these three
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little girls walk up and you could tell they were homeschooled.
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Their mom was out there because it was the middle
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of the day when they all should have been at school.
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And these three little girls walk up and then want
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to pet Jax and they're like, can we pat him?
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I'm like sure, and they have. These girls had no
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concept of what's like too close or whatever. They were
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like up and was holding him because he's so he's
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so scared of everything. And they're like all up in
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my face, like really close, like no person at all,
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and they're petting the dog. And one of the little
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girls she's I'm guessing these kids are four, five, six,
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somewhere in that range. And the youngest one sees that
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he Jack's get like a little thing on his collar
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and it's a halloween thing and he's got a bell
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on it, and the little girls goes, I like his bell,
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and I'm like, yeah, it's pretty neat, huh. I said
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that his that's his Halloween caller. And the little girl
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looks at me and she goes, we don't do halloween,
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she said, And I'm like, no, she goes, it's too scary,
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and she's like four, and I'm like, yeah, some people don't.
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And then she looks at me. She leans down and
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she goes, I'm kind of scared of the skin walkers.
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What the fuck? I'm not kidding this. We're in the woods.
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Skinwalk has been a real problem. An I'm just wondering
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what this house is like that Halloween's too scary. But
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the four year old knows what the hell is skinwalker.
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I'm still thing they had black eyes, I asked. He
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said no, But I mean that's how honest it got you.
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I'm not making that up for the show or anything.
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This little four yer, the youngest one of the bunch, says,
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I'm kind of worried about skin walkers. She said, I
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was worried about She said, mister, can I pat your dog?
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Please let us in. It only take a minute.
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This is today. But yeah, I'm like in the middle
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of the wood, Like now I'm kind of creeped out.
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Yeah, for sure, that's crazy.
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Well anyways, all right, bud, So what's in the news
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this week?
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So, if you're a guy looking for a genital enhancement,
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you should definitely seek someone who's actually licensed to do so,
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like kind of a no brainer. Oh yeah, and definitely
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don't let someone carve up your junk in the back
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seat of a Toyota Corolla.
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I don't know why that doesn't sound like a great idea.
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It looks pretty.
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Clean in there, barely any candy rappers shit. But this
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is actually exactly what's been going on in Bangkok. Bangkok,
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you know. Fifty one year old Pittaya Mulin also known
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as chang Yai Modify.
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That's a stage name.
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Profession is what's your porn name? He's been arrested and
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charged with practicing medicine without registration or authorization. No sterilization
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equipment of any sort was found in his four wheel office,
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but they did find anesthetics needles and blades which he
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would use to perform penis enlargements, circumcisions, and pearl implants
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in plants from a guy with no medical training whatsoever
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in the backseat of his dirty ass Toyota Corolla. If
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it ain't no right, there's gonna be standards. I at
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least have a minivan. But he did tell authorities, so
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there's no need to worry. He told authorities he he
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watched a couple social media videos on the Well, yeah,
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it's basically a degree.
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Yeah, I mean that seems solid.
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Otherwise you're paying an extra for the paper.
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It's just a diploma.
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He's good to go. So yeah, if you've gone to
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see him, you sprue, go get a shot.
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Yeah, maybe you need to get a check.
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Maybe the swelling in your dick is not gonna go down.
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And check out.
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Twenty two year old Kira Cousins of Airdrie, Scotland, thrilled
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her friends and family with her pregnancy. In the October
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tenth birth of her baby daughter, Bonnie Lee Joyce, she
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would not allow anyone to hold her little girl. However,
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she had been born with a heart defect. Eventually, her
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mom discovered a doll and the whole thing unraveled. Her
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granddaughter was a plastic reborn doll. Kira had never been pregnant.
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The whole thing was a scam. Even the child's dad
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did not know that the whole thing was faked. And
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when she found out that she had been found, you know,
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she been caught. Rather than telling him the truth, she
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simply told him his child had passed away.
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Unreal.
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I don't know, I don't know what the goal. It
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doesn't say what her ultimate goal here was, but I mean,
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how demented do you have to be to pull the
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ship like that she was bowing. It doesn't say there's
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a lot of way pregnant they do. It doesn't say
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what she was trying to collect funds or anything like that.
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I don't I don't know what her ultimate goal was, Like,
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I mean, a plastic You're gonna get caught eventually.
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What you just do it for the attention, you know,
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it has to be. I mean, I've heard of several
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cases where women have been pregnant and not known.
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Yeah, I've heard, you know.
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I mean, and you're always like, how could that happen?
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But it happens.
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It's happened. I actually knew one years ago that said.
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I know, there's a lot of them. You question, like,
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really you didn't know, but I mean there's a lot.
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It's it's real.
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Everybody believed her, said friend Neve Neve McRobert. We were
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all so happy. I feel totally used and drained. One
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of her friends didn't believe the pregnancy from the start, however,
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stating that she had noticed quite straight away that her
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bump wasn't real. You could see the straps on our
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back holding it on. J Cousins herself declined to comment
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on the matter. Doesn't say what she's been charged with
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it because it wasn't a crime. I mean, it's just
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a creepy it's a creepy thing to do.
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I really, I don't know. There isn't no crime.
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Really, No, it doesn't say what she was collecting funds
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or anything.
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She's I don't know, just crazy.
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A new human clinical trial has brought us closer to
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the reality of being being able to breathe through our asses.
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We've all been waiting for this moment since you a
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little kid man. You dreamt of the day. I've been
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known to talk out of my ass a great many times,
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but I've never attempted to breathe out of it. Uh.
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The study shows that it's safe to deliver oxygen rectally. Pigs, rodents, turtles,
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and some fish are known to be able to butt
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chug oxygen, and scientists are viewing it as a possible
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alternative for patients with blocked airways.
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Wow, and this is right in my realm as a
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respiratory therapist. This is when I retire wherever I'm like, No,
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I don't mess with.
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That, and you're gonn have to start giving them your
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own buttle.
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This reminds me of this story when you were with
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my brother. You and Troy were my brother and you
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guys were checking out some haunted place and the cops
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came and, uh, talk to you whatever. I remember my
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brother telling me specifically, he's like, the cop was talking
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to us, and he said, Troy didn't say a word.
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He said, he said nothing. He goes and I'm one
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hundred percent positive he was breathing through his asshole, so
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that smell that he'd been drinking. And now I find
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out he's right all this time.
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So when they get those all all the kinks worked
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out and everything we got, I'm not going to be
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the first in line away, but you know, I want
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to breathe through my ass That sounds awesome. It's it
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sounds like you're basically gonna be crop dusting yourself.
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What scuba diving gonna look like? What's going to look like?
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And what's that gear?
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Okay. Lastly, we've got a couple in Turkey who recently
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went through a divorce. It was part of the agreement
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the man was ordered to pay his wife ten thousand
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lira or about two hundred and forty dollars every few
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months for their two children. Only the couple didn't have children.
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What he was ordered to do was pay cat support
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cat support. The payments are set to continue for ten years,
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or as long as the cats remain alive. So basically,
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the dude has been ordered to pay for pussy.
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I thought that was against them for a long time. Wow,
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order that support? Yeah, cats are free, right, you gotta
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pay two hundred and fifty bucks a month for a
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free cat.
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He's gonna have to start breathing out of his as
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he's gonna be able to four anything else.
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How do you two a mint? If you're breathing out
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your breath?
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Is horrible to ponder on that one.
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Having ship ship breath is like a whole new level.
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Hey ship breath. Yeah, o exku, We're done with that story.
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That's it. That's it for the news.
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All right, Well what are you doing for a story?
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This is the last Spookie season. There what you got
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for us?
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So you know, what we haven't done much of is exorcisms,
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So we haven't No, we haven't covered much on that.
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I think it is episode one sixty five. We barely
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touched on.
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I don't know have we done any I've I've researched
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and did a few had them ready. And the reason
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I didn't do them because the case I was doing
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just seemed like mental illness more.
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Than Yeah, and I think a lot of them are
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Episode one forty three when I did like it was
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basically the conjuring part three. The depth made me do it. Yeah,
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that was the exorcism. Whether you know whether or not
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he was ever possessed that question. But yes, we haven't.
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We haven't done much.
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No, and it's in our I'm pretty sure it's in
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our intro, isn't it.
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It's probably hinted possession.
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Yeah, I don't think we actually used that word. Three
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years later almost we used an F bomb and not
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the word.
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You used that.
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I don't think so, I wouldn't. I don't have a
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potty mouth like that you're discussing. These people can back
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me up, disgusting. That ship mouth is right, You need help.
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Breathing through your asshole.
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All right, Well, let's hear this extra season. Let's move on.
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We'll be right back, you know, all right, So I've
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stated multiple times during our one hundred and sixty five
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episodes that I consider The Exorcist to be the greatest
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horror movie ever made. But a lot of people don't
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know that that movie was based on a book written
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by William Peter Bladdie, and that Bladdie's novel was based
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on real life events. Although the movie came out in
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nineteen seventy three, the events it draws off occurred all
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the way back in nineteen forty nine. Bladdie was a
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student at Georgetown University when he first heard the story
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of Roland Doe or Robbie as he's often referred to.
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Roland Doe was born into a German Lutheran family back
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in nineteen thirty five. By the time the nineteen forties
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rolled around, the family was living in Cottage City, Maryland.
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Roland was an only child without many friends, so he
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often turned to adult family members for playmates, and he
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was very close to his aunt, Harriet. Harriet was a spiritualist,
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and she told Roland about some of the things she
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believed in. When he expressed an interest in Ouiji boards,
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she introduced him to one. It was only after Aunt
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Harriet passed away that things took a turn. However, Roland
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took his aunt's death very hard, and he fell into
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a depression. The family began to notice odd occurrences that
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only happened when Roland was nearby. Furniture would move around
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on its own accord. They saw dishes and vases levitate
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as the boy walked past. The family reported hearing scratching
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noises coming from underneath Roland's bed, and the ceilings and
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walls nearby. The bed itself would often begin to shake
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and vibrate when the boy was in bed. This could
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be considered or would be considered, the first stage of
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possession infestation. Infestation consists of the haunted house type of
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things like phantom footsteps, disembodied voices, apparitions, and moving furnitures.
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The infestation stage does not directly affect humans, but it
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rather it terrifies.
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Them everything around them, like it's breaking them down.
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That's exactly what it is. So it doesn't actually touch them,
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it doesn't work through them. It's basically exactly like you said,
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is designed to tear them down, break down to the defenses.
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You know, before we even go into that, I forgot.
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I think I did know this. I think you're the
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one that told me that the exorcism was actually based
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on a It was a boy, not a curb.
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It was a boy.
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Yeah, yeah, I think it was you that told me that.
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But it's not something you hear a lot like. The
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actual story behind the exorcist is rarely told, but it's
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a fascinating story. So before long, the family began to
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notice changes in their son. He wasn't sleeping much at night,
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if at all. His behavior was normal for the most
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part during the day, but at night he would change.
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He would begin to scream and yell for no apparent reason.
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He would stare off in a nowhere and enter long
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trance like states, during which he would make terrifying guttural sounds.
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They frequently noted that his body would be covered in
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scratches and strange red lines with no apparent cause. He
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attacked his mother on more than one occasion, and he
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spread feces all around the walls of the family home.
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His family also noticed how he now had a severe
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aversion to any religious objects. This would be considered the
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second stage of demonic possession oppression. The activity ramps up
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with physical attacks, problems with sleeping, horrible nightmares, depression, problems
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with relationships in an adult's financial and employment problems usually
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occur at this point. Everything falls apart around you. It's
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again not a coincidence.
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You know what a haunting in Connecticut, that kid going
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into possession. Yes, I guess we did.
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Cover yeah a little bit, Yes we did.
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Ah. But yeah, that's more of them trying to break
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you down so that they can get in.
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Right. Yeah, that's exactly it is. You feel hopeless, and
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that's the answer opening you up. And then Roland ended
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up being removed from school after his desk continuously moved
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around the classroom seemingly on its own. The desk event
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left an indelible oppression on one eyewitness. Roland's best childhood friend,
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who was not named, recounted this event in detail in
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a nineteen ninety eight interview with Mark o'passnik. So these
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are his words. One thing happened regarding all this, and
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I had a hard time clearing it from my mind.
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We were in eighth grade. It was the nineteen forty
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eight forty nine school year, and we were in a
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class together at Bladensburg Junior High. He was sitting in
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a chair and it was one of those deals with
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one arm stretched and it looked like he was shaking
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the desk. The desk was shaking and vibrating extremely fast,
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and I remember the teacher yelling at him to stop it,
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and I remember he kind of yelled, I'm not doing it,
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and they took him out of my class, took him
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out of class, and that was the last I ever
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saw of him in school. The desks certainly did not
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move around the room like that book he's referring to
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a book. I don't know. The desk certainly did not
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move around the room like that book possessed said it was.
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It was just shaking. I don't know if he was
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doing it or what was doing it, because I just
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can't clear it in my mind.
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Can you imagine as a kid, I got enough trouble
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being possessed, and now you can do what you in for.
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My fucking dass was floating around the room again. I'm
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sure it wasn't me.
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Some of my teachers thought I was possessed already. He's
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got some fucking prop.
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Going. The Roal motherships flying around your head, floating in the.
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Air and seeking help for their son, Roland's parents brought
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him to see medical doctors and psychiatrists, but nothing is
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found to be wrong with him. They then turned to
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the church for assistance. Lutheran pastor Miles Schultz had an
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interest in parapsychology, and he arranged for Roland to spend
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a night in his house. He would later report that
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when Roland was in his house, he witnessed multiple household
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objects moving around on their own. The bed that Roland
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was laying in began to shake so violently that he
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felt he just had to remove the boy. But then
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when the boy sat in a chair, he saw him
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violently thrown from that chair onto the floor. Schultz became
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convinced quite quickly that something abnormal was afoot and he
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convinced Roland's family to reach out to the Catholic Church.
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The Catholic Church informed the family they believed that they
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could help, and Roland met with a young priest named
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Albert Hughes. During their initial meeting, Hughes witnessed a telephone
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fly off of his desk and sail across the room.
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Roland also spoke to him and him in fluent Latin,
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a language that the boy did not know. He also
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noted that anytime the boy would walk into his office,
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the temperature would plummet when Hughes brought what he witnessed.
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When he brought what he had witnessed to the local archbishop,
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he was cleared to perform an exorcism. Hughes was not
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a trained exorcist, however, so he took all the precautions
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that he could, like having the boy analyzed by medical
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psychological professionals. Roland was also placed under twenty four hour observation.
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Doctor JB. Rhyne, who was the director of the Parapsychology
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Lab at Duke University, would say Roland's case was the
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most impressive manifestation I have ever heard of in the
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poltergeist field.
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That's something to say.
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Yeah, so yeah, you got professionals saying that essentially this
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is fucked up. You know.
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That is not the words he used, but it's what
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he meant.
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Father Hughes was said to have given Roland's parents a
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bottle of holy water and some candles to give him
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before he went to sleep. They're trying to prepare him
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for the exorcism, his parents said. The telephone table on
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which the holy water sat smashed into hundreds of pieces,
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while the candle flamed up, torching their ceiling. The exorcism
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of Roland Doe was set to take place at Georgetown University.
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Things had barely gotten started when Roland slipped one of
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his hands free of his restraints and broke loose bedspring
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from under the mattress. He used it to slash Father
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Hughes in the arm, bringing the exorcism to a screeching halt.
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Hughes needed over one hundred stitches to close the wound,
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and he would not have any further involvement in the
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case of Roland Doe.
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First, after break a restraint is next impossible, and then
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to rip a spring out from under a bed, yeah,
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that's I mean, if that's all legit and happened, that's
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a fucking superhuman strength.
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Absolutely, And you hear that in a lot of these
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all of a sudden they have superhuman strength. So yeah,
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I agree. The fact that nobody's watching, I don't know.
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It doesn't say how many people in the room, but
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you'd think somebody would have noticed his handslip free, But
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it might have just been two people in the room.
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It's hardy to say. This case is is well documented,
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but does not generally a ton of people on site,
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So apparently nobody noticed it.
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What is the recommended amount of people for an more
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than one? Apparently? Are they doing shifts? Are the eight
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hour shifts? Are they twelve hour shifts?
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So the family returned home to contemplate their next move.
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Roland was in the bathroom. He began screaming, and his
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parents rushed in to find the word Lewis had been
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spelled out in welt across the boy's chest. When his
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mother asked if the word referred to Saint Louis, where
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the family had several relatives, another word spelled itself out. Yes,
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it's it.
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Oh, so they saw it.
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Come on, they went up to the bathroom and saw
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the world word lewis. But when she asked the question,
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the word yes spelled out in front of them.
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Wow.
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And so the family headed to Saint Louis, where they
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stayed with a family member in the suburb of Belle
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nor Wait they listened to it.
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That seems like a really bad idea.
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Don't let the demons to Louis, and the demons is
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going to give you direction. Come on, Hawaii, fucking Saint Louis.
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I'm not sure what to do. Next, asked the devil.
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It should be He got it covered. One of Roland's
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cousins was attending the Jesuit affiliated Saint Louis University and
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spoke to one of her college professors about Roland. This
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was Father Raymond Bishop. He in turn consulted longtime friend
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Father Williams Boring Bodurn. They evaluated Roland for demonic possession
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and determine that he was indeed possessed. The age gap
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between the two men was not as drastic as implied
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in the movie The Exorcist. Boduren was fifty two and
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Bishop was forty three. If you've ever seen The Exorcist,
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one priest looks like he's about one hundred and seventeen
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years old and the other one's like thirty.
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Well, it's no joke. To be able to actually get
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an exorcism, you've got to go through a yea jell,
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through a lot of hoops for them to approve one.
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Yeah, the church doesn't take those lightly at all.
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Not at all. I mean, well, I'm only going from
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movies that I've seen, you know, or stories I've read.
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But it's not like it's not like, hey, we need
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an exorcist, all right, we'll be right there. No, what
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are you doing? On Tuesday, you know, at nine o'clock.
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Well, because of the church's ability to help depends on
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their reputation, you know, they jump and throw it an
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exorcism at everybody there. The whole reputation shot right at least,
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that's what Ed Warren says in one of the Conjuring movies.
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I'm basically I'm basically plagiarizon ed Ed Warren on all. Yeah,
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you gotta take his word. It's gold. March eleventh, nineteen
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forty nine, both priests were at Roland's house, and after
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the boy fell asleep around eleven pm, they started praying
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over him. Father Boderen placed a relic encrusted crucifix under
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the boy's pillow before Both priests then left for the night,
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and all of the family likewise departed the boy's room.
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Shortly thereafter, all sorts of noises began coming from Roland's room,
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and the family came running in to find a large
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bookshelf had moved itself across the room, a bench had
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been flipped over, and the crucifix had moved from under
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the pillow over to the other side of the bed.
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The bed began to violently shake, and the family pleaded
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for Aunt Harriet to stop the past art so they
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still believe it's an riot, but the room did go
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silent at that moment. Finally, on March sixteenth, nineteen forty nine,
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Father Bodurn received permission from the local bishop to perform
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the rite of exorcism. That same night, Father's Bishop and
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Bodurn returned to begin the exorcism, accompanied by a Jesuit scholar,
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William Hallerin. For the next six weeks, an arduous series
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of exorcisms took place at a variety of locations, including
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the aunt's house, a local rectory, in the Alexian Brothers Hospital.
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During these rites, the priests and numerous witnesses saw a
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great many manifestations. Roland would hiss and spit at them,
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speaking in a low, demonic voice. He spat Latin phrases
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on numerous occasions. They witnessed him levitating. On at least
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one occasion, his bed would shake uncontrollably, and words and
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pictures would appear on his body. The word hell in
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an image of the devil himself, as well as a
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pitchfork appeared in his skin. Roland reacted with fury to
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the sight of any holy relics in prayers.
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See that one's so weird to actually a pitchfork.
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Yeah, that's something a kid would say today, but.
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Making fun of poking fun at or whatever, you know.
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Yeah. April eighteenth, nineteen forty nine, Father Boderen got Roland
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to wear a chain of holy relics, as well as
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holding onto a crucifix. When he asked the name of
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the demon who was possessing Roland, he became enraged, but
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he did admit that he was indeed a fallen angel.
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The ritual continued unabated, when at about eleven PM, Roland
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interrupted Father Boden and spoken a new voice. He was
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said to have exclaimed, Satan, Satan, I am Saint Michael.
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I command you, Satan and the other evil spirit spirits
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to leave this body and the name of Deminis immediately
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now now now. Roland's body convulsed one last time before
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falling still. He then announced he is gone. Roland would
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later state that he saw a vision of Saint Michael
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vanquishing Satan with a flaming sword at that moment. After
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the exorcism was completed, Roland was said to have gone
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on to live a normal life. He graduated high school
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in nineteen fifty four, and reporter we got married and
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had kids. He was said to have had no memory
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of his possession after the fact, and no one would
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even have known the story existed at all except for
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an article by The Washington Post in August of nineteen
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forty nine. It told about several priests having performed a
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successful exorcism, but it provided no details, no names or
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locations in the story where he was largely forgotten. But
518
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William Peter Bladdie had seen the unofficial diaries kept by
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both fathers, Bishop and Bowderen, and he wrote his novel
520
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using some of this information, while obviously creating some ideas
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of his own. Roland displayed much of the same behaviors
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as Reagan from the movie. A lot of it was
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based on fact. A lot of what Reagan said and
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did was based on fat. But like she threw up
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the pea soup, that didn't happen. Remember the scene where
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she crawls Spider upside down down the stairs. Obviously that
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didn't happen. And she didn't turn her head three hundred
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and sixty degrees around, or he didn't, I should say.
529
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But a lot of a lot of what she did
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did happen? For sure he did, confusing the boy and
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girl gets.
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Yeah, that's all right, we all know what you meant.
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So that's that's that's the most famous.
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Uh oh yeah, for sure, sure, I would think. I mean,
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it's it's the one that whenever somebody says exorcism, it's
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the one that I think of absolutely.
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So. Father Bishop died in nineteen seventy eight, Father Bodern
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died in nineteen eighty three, and William Halleran, who only
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became a priest after his involvement in the exorcism, he
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actually lived in until two thousand and five. It wasn'
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until twenty twenty that Roland Doe was revealed to have
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been Ronald Hunkler. He died that year at eighty five
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at his home in Marriottsville, Maryland.
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Oh so he'd lived to eighty five.
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After that, he lived a long life. It was completely
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off the map, and fortunately for him, they didn't reveal
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his identity until years years later.
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So, yeah, you can hear our kids upstairs. You guys
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probably picked that up. That's what I was pointing at
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you earlier.
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They just got back.
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Yeah, I know they've been back for like two minutes
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and you can hear him on the recording already.
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So in nineteen seventy four, in the town of Ausett,
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West Yorkshire, England, thirty one year old Michael Taylor and
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his wife Christine began attending the Gobbler Christian Fellowship group.
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Michael became close the early twenties preacher Marie Robinson. The
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Tailors hadn't showed much of a religious inclination up to
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that point, but a friend had recommended the church to them.
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They only went to a single meeting when they realized
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that the church was their calling, and they converted immediately
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within a few weeks. Christine became concerned about the obsession
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Michael was showing with the church and primarily Marie Robinson.
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So one day the congregation was gathered at their house
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and Michael was out of the room. Christine voiced her
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concern to her fellow parishioners. She believed the relationship between
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her husband and Missus Robinson was carnal, and it turns
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out Michael was putting the moves on Marie upstairs at
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that very moment, but she shot down as advances. So
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he comes back downstairs and announces victory for the Lord,
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so he puts some moves on her, gets shot down,
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comes downstairs and praises the Lord for him getting shot down. Afterwards,
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he verbally attacked Marie and then entered into a screaming
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match with her. He would later say in that moment
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he had experienced a quote sinister transformation, and he would
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end up striking her. His behavior became more erratic in
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the coming days, and Robinson herself would be the first
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to approach the family in proposed and exorcism. She was rebuffed.
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You can't shoot down a guy's rookie advances and then
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offer to save him. He just violates geyicode. You can't
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accept that.
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Not allowed to do it.
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So now at this point, the local vicar, Peter Vinson,
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who had performed the ritual many times, gathered other experienced
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ministers together to discuss their situation. On October fifth, they
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summoned the tailors to the church, where Michael was then restrained.
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They began the process of casting the demon out. The
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process included burning the cross that Micah wore and apparently
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yelling at him all throughout the night until the following morning.
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During the night, they felt strongly that they had cast
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out at least forty demons from the man, including those
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of incest, beast, reality, blasphemy, and lewdness.
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How many demons fit into a human body.
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That's what all these cases that confuses me. And in
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as far as this case, I wasn't aware that each
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demon had like its own sins thing. It's not like
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the care Bears where you know, I didn't think it's
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like sunshine happiness.
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You know which one is blue adultree that would be
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the scarlet. I would have been a lot of these.
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But yeah, I know.
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How many care Bears did you haven't you none?
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Uh So, apparently in this church at least like each
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sin has its own like a each demons, it.
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Has its own demons respons I mean, I think there
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are demons that are supposedly, you know, fit each Yeah,
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kind of. I don't know.
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I'm familiar with the deadly sins. I didn't know each
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one had a demon of its own.
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I'm going to come and say something. I don't have
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a clue. No, I don't either.
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We're probably wrong here, and our listeners will point it
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out to us and I and I welcome that I
614
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wasn't aware each demon had its own sin. I could
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be wrong, or this church could be.
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I mean, there's a big thing about having a demon
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name itself, right, I tell you its name to.
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Gain power over the demon during an exorcism, you need
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its name. Once you get its name, you basically got
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it by the ball, so to speak, in terms of
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an exorcism.
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I wonder if that's got something to do with knowing
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what that demon's about.
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I guess, to my knowledge, very demons are capable of
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all sorts of you know, I didn't realize they had
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one sin that they were whatever.
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You're just expert sin. It doesn't mean that's the only
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thing they do. They could have a hobby.
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Yeah, it's just their expertise. That's what they teach.
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Yeah, what's your minor?
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So they chased out incest, bciality, blasphemy, and lewdness. So
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Taylor was exhausted. They decided he should be set free
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to go home and rest, even though they felt quite
634
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sure that at least three demons remained inside of him,
635
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and these three would be the demons of insanity, violence,
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and murder.
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So this is a bad one.
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Yeah, nothing to fear as long as the party, talk
639
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and fornication are gone. The rest is just cream cheese.
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You gotta have the filthy mouth gone and then we
641
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can get down to business. Yeah that's if that's true. Like,
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if what we're talking about is accurate, don't you think
643
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those are the ones you would want gone the most?
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00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.199
Yeah, yeah, I will leave those. Leave the murder one
645
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right now. With violence murdered tomorrow, it's probably good for
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the night. And as it turned out, we're not good
647
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for the night, which is why we're telling the story
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in the first place. So sure enough, not long.
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After they got home, Michael attacked his wife, Christine with
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his bear hands. He tore out her eyes, his christ
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and her tongue.
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That took a really dark turn, he.
653
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Didn't, and he nearly tore her entire face off. He
654
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was found roaming around the streets naked and covered in blood,
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and he was screaming about the devil. When police entered
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the house, they found the gruesome scene. Blood and flesh
657
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were literally all over the walls. The family dog had
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also been killed, with its limbs literally ripped from its body.
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Michael was arrested and went to trial the following March.
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He was found not guilty by reason of insanity. A
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psychologist testified at trial that his violent actions were the
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direct result of the embarrassment and torment that he'd endure
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the previous night. Oh, the embarrassed guy he tried to
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hit on his minister or whatever in front of it. Yeah,
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in front of the whole congregation. That must be horrifying.
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Michael would only spend four years in custody before being
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set free. He spent two year years at Broadmoor Hospital
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and two more at the Bradford Royal Infirmary. No one
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in the church ever faced any charges, either for the
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field exorcism or for setting a disturbed man free. In fact,
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Reverend Peter visn't vincent received a promotion shortly afterwards.
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Oh well, why wasn't he right?
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So that's that one.
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Wow, one of the the guy was just not held accountable,
675
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and nobody's held accountable. I mean, I had it. It was
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eight years he got all together, and four and four there,
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and two in the hospital and two in.
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Uh, none in prison. Not four years and.
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Two four years altogether just in hospital, two different hospitals.
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He never served.
681
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:51.159
I was adding him up. Yeah, ship even worse. Wow.
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One of the best documented cases of demonic possession comes
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from South Africa at the beginning of the last century.
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Clara German Nu Sell. Now in some versions of this
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it's tell it's ce le E or te le E.
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Most often its cell. So that's what I'm gonna go with.
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She was a sixteen year old orphan living at Saint
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Michael's mission in Natal. She was a very devout Christian
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who had been baptized as an infant. Apparently, she engaged
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in some behavior the church found questionable. Although this isn't
691
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described in much detail, it's alleged to have included occult rituals.
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On August twentieth, nineteen oh six, the nuns at the
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school found her ripping at her clothing and growling. She
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demanded to speak with Father Erasmus Horner. When she spoke
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with him, Father Horner, Actually, when she spoke with Father Horner,
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she confessed to him that she'd made a pact with
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the devil. The nuns tried to splash her with holy water,
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only to find that her skin burned when it touched her.
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Any religious artifacts sent her in to convulsions. She suddenly
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had superhuman strength and could speak in multiple languages, not
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just one, something she had never had been able to
702
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do before she was witnessed, speaking at the very least
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in French, Polish, German, and Norwegian. She possessed clairvoyance and
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demonstrated it on numerous occasions, describing the intimate details and
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secrets of people she had no knowledge of or contact with.
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She levitated up to a height of five feet on
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numerous occasions, sometimes vertically, sometimes horizontally about the noises the
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girl was said to have made. One of the attending
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nuns said no animal ever made such sounds, neither the
710
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lions of East Africa nor angry bulls. At times, it
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sounded like a veritable herd of wild beasts orchestrated by Satan,
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had formed a hellish choir. Frequently, when sprinkled with holy water,
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the girl would scream in agony and then briefly return
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to normal. This is generally taken to suggest that the
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girl was actually possessed and not suffering from a mental
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illness of some sort. Horrifyingly, some sources say she could
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extend both her neck and all of her limbs to
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terrifying lengths.
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Now, that would be so crazy.
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This girl sounds like the real deal, If there is
721
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such a thing. She sounds like she's it. After Father
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Horner witnessed her levitating in the presence of another priest,
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Reverend Minswetty, and they reported their incident to their superiors.
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They received the church's permission to conduct an exorcism. On
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September eleventh, nineteen o six. They began the ritual cleansing
726
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at dawn. The ritual continued into the late hours of
727
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the night and was witnessed by priests and multiple nuns.
728
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At one point, they reported Emma transformed into a serpent
729
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.320
bit one of women who was helping her. She also
730
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.599
knocked the Bible out of one of the priest's hands
731
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and then tried to strangle him using his own stole.
732
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The following morning, they resumed the ritual, and shortly thereafter
733
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she levitated one last time before the demon vacated her body.
734
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One hundred and seventy people were reported to have witnessed
735
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her at points during her possession at subsequent exorcism, and
736
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there are no reports of any faking, doubts or suspicions
737
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.079
by anybody who had witnessed it. Her possession, if there
738
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.239
is such a thing, seems to have been genuine to me.
739
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.000
She lived the rest of her life demon free, which
740
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unfortunately was not a long one. She died of heart
741
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failure only six years later at the age of twenty two.
742
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.719
Well you think that having demons and you might do
743
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:47.639
some damage.
744
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:49.719
Yeah, I would imagine.
745
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.480
I mean, it can't be good for you.
746
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.559
No, everything they said her body was doing it obviously
747
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.480
takes a toll in your fucking body. Yeah, I agree
748
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.159
with you. So she got six more years. It's a
749
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:05.400
very very short life.
750
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.360
That one's so old.
751
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.840
They're all hard to say because they're not well documented,
752
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.039
but that one's pretty well documented. We get a lot
753
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.199
of priests and nuns witnessing that one, a lot of them,
754
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.639
and none of them report any suspicion that it was
755
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:18.239
a fake.
756
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.840
Right, So, I mean it's hard with the older ones
757
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.719
and with the new ones. A lot of the stuff
758
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.079
you can say is mental.
759
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.159
Health, right, I think a lot of stuff.
760
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:32.519
But when they're doing stuff like levitation, if that's really happening,
761
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:36.039
it's really seen levitation. A lot of this other stuff
762
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.119
that they're doing, this just supernatural, you know. And I
763
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:40.519
don't know.
764
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.199
I mean, if her next extending in her arms are extending,
765
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.920
that's not mental health, said, probably not levitation. And one
766
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.920
of the ones for me is always speaking life. I
767
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.480
know when I have a bad day, I speak Greek, right,
768
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.039
But that that's one of those ones for me. When
769
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.639
they speak like weird shit backwards or some they don't speak.
770
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.800
You don't just speak Latin or speak you know, German.
771
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:05.039
If you don't know how to do it, you just don't.
772
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.639
That doesn't happen. Your arms extending, I've never heard of that.
773
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.119
But this ready shit.
774
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.440
But that's reported by nuns, not just you know, people
775
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.360
on the street. Doesn't mean nuns can't lie, but a
776
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.360
whole bunch of nuns probably not. If they said her
777
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.679
arms again, then maybe they did.
778
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.119
Yeah, what's that? What's a none going to get out
779
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.239
of lying about it? About that?
780
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:32.039
I mean excommunicated? Really, there's no gain. So lastly, anyone
781
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.159
who has seen the movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose
782
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is familiar with this next story or to a degree
783
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there because Emily Rose was not real, but the movie
784
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.599
was based on the very real story of Annalise Michelle.
785
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Annalise was born on September twenty one, nineteen fifty two,
786
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in leap Thing, Germany. She was a devout Catholic who
787
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went to church at least twice a week every week.
788
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When she turned sixteen, she began acting out at school
789
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and just generally behaving out a character. She suffered a
790
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blackout at school and began wetting the bed after having
791
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not done so previously. When examined, a doctor determined she
792
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:18.760
had temporal lobe epilepsy. This is known to cause memory loss, spasms, hallucinations,
793
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and even delusions. Despite her diagnosis, she left home in
794
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the fall of nineteen seventy three to attend college at
795
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the University of Wurzburg. Her condition only deteriorated further. She
796
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.880
told people she could see the devil's face and hear
797
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.639
the voices of those calling for her damned spirit. She
798
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.119
was intolerant of any religious artifacts and became incredibly depressed
799
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.639
and suicidal. She was on psychiatric medications, but they failed
800
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to provide her any relief. When she consulted the church,
801
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.760
they initially told her to consult a doctor, which he
802
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.239
had already done, so she was just let around in
803
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:02.280
circles for a while. Both Annalise and her parents became
804
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.199
convinced she was possessed by a demon, and they sought
805
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:10.760
the church's help. She was eating spiders, coal, dirt, and
806
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.800
even the head of a dead bird. She barked like
807
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:18.800
a dog continuously and began drinking her own urine. Priests
808
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.559
Ernest Alt and Arnold Rentz spent the next ten months
809
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.360
conducting a series of at least sixty seven exorcisms. She
810
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.440
at different times would state she was possessed by Hitler, Nero, Satan,
811
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Cain and Judas. She broke both of her knees from
812
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.239
the constant prayer she did on the hard floor during
813
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.440
this entire ordeal. How old is she twenty two?
814
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.199
And how many exorcisms?
815
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.480
Sixty seven? Wow? Over ten months?
816
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.639
Sixty seven over ten It.
817
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.280
Was like continuously over ten months. While when during the
818
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.519
months of torment, she eventually stopped eating and drinking entirely,
819
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.960
and she died of malnourishment in dehydration on July first,
820
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.480
nineteen seventy six. At the time of her death, she
821
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:14.199
weighed only sixty six pounds. Her parents and both priests
822
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:18.519
were arrested and charged with negligent homicide, and the end
823
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.840
they were convicted only of manslaughter. They received only a
824
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.599
six month suspended sentence, so none of them actually went
825
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.679
to jail. In twenty thirteen, the house where she lived
826
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.159
and died burned down in what was later attributed to
827
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.599
be an act of arson. So, as we just discussed,
828
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.000
I definitely think, in my opinion, demonic possession is real,
829
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.079
possibly real, but often it's just mental illness. And this
830
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.079
is a case of that the family can't accept or
831
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.880
can't believe their child is mentally ill and forces the
832
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.440
archaic old school religious rites down their throat rather than
833
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.960
getting them the help that they desperately need. Right because
834
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.239
it probably embarrassed the family.
835
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.840
I'm sure that happened a lot. I'm sure a lot
836
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.519
of the exorcisms and stuff were mental health a lot
837
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:01.920
of work.
838
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.360
I do believe demonic possession is really, but I think
839
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:05.679
it's probably very rare.
840
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.039
I mean, you can't be a Christian and not believe,
841
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.639
and you can't just pick which side. If you are
842
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.559
a Christian, you know you you got to take it all.
843
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:14.760
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
844
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.360
If you're not, how fair are you being to the
845
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.239
actual religion?
846
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.119
No, you get the bad with the good. But I
847
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.760
think a lot of people do a lot of times
848
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.800
they just turn to no, it's possession. You know, my
849
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.119
kid's not My kid doesn't have problems, it's say, and
850
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.079
then they ignore the actual problems. And if you so,
851
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.800
I only covered four in this in this episode. But
852
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:35.800
when you really start digging into a demonic possession and
853
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.360
the exorcisms, so many of them meen up in tragedy,
854
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.760
and it's clear there was no possession to begin with.
855
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.159
They're just denied the medical health that they need. And uh,
856
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.840
and the way this one ends with death, it happens
857
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:47.440
a lot.
858
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.639
Like what we've said. This is probably why the Catholic
859
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.559
Church is so reluctant to do an exorcism, you know.
860
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:56.719
They it's so much, it has to happen so much,
861
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.599
so much of it has to be documented before they'll
862
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:04.400
approve it. Absolutely obviously for this reason. Yeah, wow, great
863
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:05.119
job with that, mud.
864
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:05.960
I appreciate it.
865
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.440
Man, About time we got some of those knocked out.
866
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:10.639
One hundred and sixty.
867
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.199
Yeah, it'll buy us another one hundred and sixty five episodes.
868
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.000
We'll get back to it.
869
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.280
Catch us that episode three thirty.
870
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.199
All right, good job, All right, we're gonna take it
871
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.400
for the fire pit. We will catch you over there.
872
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.920
I guess you know what time is. You can't track
873
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:31.519
that fu all right, guys, So we're aware the Firepit
874
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.119
song is fucked up. We weren't aware that it's been
875
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:34.679
fucked up.
876
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.639
Yeah, we're definitely yeah. Wait, apparently it has been going
877
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:39.119
on for a bit.
878
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.280
Yeah. So we thought we had fixed that at one time,
879
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.079
and we went back and listened, and we apparently didn't.
880
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.800
We will get this taken care of. Just give us
881
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.840
a little bit of time, but fire Pit, we need yours.
882
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.880
Beyond the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com
883
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.400
or any Ora socials. We need your stories, guys. This
884
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.719
one comes to us from Uh, Nathan, Is that right?
885
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:07.239
Come on, Ryan, I don't have it in fun of you. Yeah,
886
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.320
Nathan sounds good. All right, Hey, guys, I've been listening
887
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.480
for a while and I keep hearing your calls for
888
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.119
Firepit stories. I got a bunch of them, but I
889
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.800
never really knew where to start or how to write them.
890
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.039
So here we go. This one takes place back in
891
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.719
two thousand and six. I was sixteen years old. My
892
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.360
mom and I had just moved about twenty miles to
893
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:33.239
a new town, and my girlfriend at the time was
894
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.400
helping us move. We just finished hauling everything over to
895
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.519
my mom's new house and finally sat down to eat lunch.
896
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.239
I remember looking out the window and seeing five or
897
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.679
six plane clothed cops with pistols and shotguns coming up
898
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:53.159
the driveway. Then from around the garage, a full squat
899
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.400
swat team appeared. Now I instantly thought about the dimebag
900
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.280
of weeds sitting in my pickup and thought, oh shit
901
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.079
to hear from me. Then my second thought was, man,
902
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:10.199
that's a lot of firepower for a sixteen year old pothead. So,
903
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.199
in true teenage logic, I went to meet them at
904
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.039
the door, figuring maybe if I can handle it, my
905
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.480
mom wouldn't kill me. First, before I could say anything,
906
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.079
they were pounding on the door. I opened it, and
907
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.119
the short jacked, plain clothesed cop grabbed me by the
908
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.280
shirt and shoved a pistol in my face. I mean
909
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.320
I could see straight down the barrel, like I could
910
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.280
almost see the bullet. He screamed, are you Opie? Are
911
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.679
you Opie? And I'm yelling back, no, I'm not Opie.
912
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.840
But he kept asking louder and louder. My mom and
913
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.840
girlfriend come running in, both freaking out, and my mom's yelling,
914
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.400
he's not Opie, that's my son. Finally the cop let
915
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.440
go kind of shoves me against the counter and his
916
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.679
team sweeps through the house. Then, after a full minute
917
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.119
of k one of the masks what's this address? My
918
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:06.519
mom tells them and they all kind of freeze. Then
919
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.480
just like that, they leave, no apology, no explanation, nothing.
920
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.400
About fifteen minutes later, I look out the window and
921
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.440
I see a kid about my age, red afro and
922
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:23.079
all being walked down the street and handcuffs, surrounded by cops.
923
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.239
So yeah, wrong house. Anyway. I hope you like the
924
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.920
story and if that earns a spot at the fire pit.
925
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.599
I love what you guys do, and it feels good
926
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.400
to finally share one of my own. That's crazy.
927
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.000
Yeah, thank you for sharing this or that is crazy.
928
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.159
And it's Nick. What did I say? Did I say? Nick? Nicholas?
929
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.480
I can't remember. It's a long time, I think.
930
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.360
Yeah, we appreciate the story, Nick, that's crazy. Ah, and
931
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.239
no apologies, no nothing, just fuck it. Oh we got
932
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.119
the wrong house. That's lawsuit shit.
933
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.920
Yeah, I think that shit happens all the time. I
934
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.119
think so too. It's a scary part as it does.
935
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.360
And looking down the barrel of the gun is frightening
936
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.440
as hell. Yeah, I think I've told the story. When
937
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.360
I was in the Air Force, they had a flight
938
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.880
line and you couldn't go. You had to be check
939
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.719
your idea had to be checked before you could even
940
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.239
get into the base. But then to go past the
941
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.800
flight line you had to get checked again. Well, one
942
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.199
time I was out there and they had moved the
943
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.440
check in point, so I was past where it normally was,
944
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.320
and it was ahead of me, but I drove past
945
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.280
it in the truck. I just drove around the person
946
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:35.400
front me, Like, what the fuck are they doing? I
947
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.880
pulled up. I get out of the thing with my toolbox,
948
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.880
and I hear all the cops coming from nowhere. And
949
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:42.840
these are Air Force cops, got nothing else to do.
950
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.320
I hear them screaming, freeze, get on the ground, Get
951
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:46.880
on the ground. And I start laughing. I'm like, so,
952
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.159
what's getting jacked up? And I look and it's fucking
953
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.920
me And I was looking down the barrel of fucking
954
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.800
lots of guns and it's terrifying. You know, it sounds
955
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.440
all funny, but when you're looking down the barrel of
956
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.199
a gun, that ship is scary.
957
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:03.599
All you you are in the Air Force, you guys
958
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.599
can't shoot with the dick.
959
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.639
They'd probably miss They missed for like ten ft away.
960
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:12.760
They could have been putting off for a warning shot
961
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.679
and killed me. But no, it is scary. We appreciate
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this story, Nicks, really do you. Guys get your stories
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in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com.
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And that's gonna wrap this one. We will catch you
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in the next one letter.
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Guys,