Ep. 158 When The Upper Crust Goes Bad

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Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
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dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
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Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
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As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
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cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
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all the like are.
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Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
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If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
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on our show.
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Do you know what the most in the world is?
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On the shuttles where you found me at you can't
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see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
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and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
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that you why at track Bull, the demens be, where
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the actions at. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
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all the ghosts. We got everything that you want.
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It won't do you know what the thing in the
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world is?
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Hey, guys, and welcome back to episode one Fight of
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Beyond the Shadows.
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Welcome back Shadow Army. Hope you guys are all having
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an amazing week so far.
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Little Housekeeping. We did get a nice review from let
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Me See Shahima from Australia. We had to check the
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flags because we get a flag on it. We weren't
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sure between New Zealand and Australia. They're close. Your flags
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are very similar. Yeah, but we did. We took the
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time and probably still got it wrong. The shadows goes
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the extra one we do and there's also another rating
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on Spotify. So whoever did that? Thank you for that.
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Yeah, as we said, we can't see those, but thank
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you for taking the time.
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We appreciate it. Guys. We have a special guest in
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the studio today. Is a fucking cricket somewhere around here
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that I thought I murdered. It's like six of them. Yeah,
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don't know. They're just like noisy cockroaches. Man, they are.
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I don't know where they came from. But we ryan
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carried one out and now there's still one whatever cricket.
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And I tried to do the right thing. I took
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him outside alive, but apparently I should have made an example.
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I just slotted it in front of the rest. Get
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out of here. This is your faeton. Fuckers going to
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have to bomb down here or something. Sorry, paw. What's
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in the news this week?
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So we get a Russian man named Dmitri. He recently
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makes an online post. He says it's for a joke
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or a social experiment, which he offers one hundred thousand
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rubles or about eleven hundred and eighty dollars in American
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money to anyone willing to sell their soul. He didn't
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expect a response, but he got one immediately. A twenty
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six year old woman named Karina was willing to sell
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her soul, and she had no problem signing the contract
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with her own blood and blood. I'd be able to
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wear this. It's not gonna work out.
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Hey, if you see what she needed the money.
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For, it was worth it. She told the press she
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wasn't at all worried about what was to become of
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her soul, and that she planned to use the money
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to buy a la.
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Boo boo let boo boos.
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I've never heard that word.
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Oh my god, dude, there we got a couple upstairs.
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Oh yeah, she planned to buy a lu booboo doll
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collection and to go to a folk rock concert. That's
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what she sold her soul.
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Yeah, they're the most ridiculous, little tiny little I don't
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know if they're bunnies or what they are they got there.
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It's like a huge fad right now. It's ridiculous, and
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they cost a forte. It's like a dog.
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Some of you can machine she just sold sold her
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So it looks like something you could get out of
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a claw machine for like a buck.
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And they cost they're not cheap. It guess they're rare.
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Apparently so, Dmitri posted pictures of the sign contract, but
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says he has no idea what he's now gonna.
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Do with it.
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The Russian Orthodox Church has condemned the act, warning that
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Karina has quote sold her soul and chosen evil.
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No, she chose a laboo.
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Uh.
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They predicted she will suffer a decline, illness, suffering, and
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even death as a result of what she's done. So
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we're gonna include a link for all you guys that
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want to join the Russian orthodox.
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Y, he says, A good way to get following you
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put your little boobu in the basket, else you get
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these gets.
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The h Two teenagers visited a branch of the Hidalio
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restaurant chain and Shanghai, and they took turns standing on
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a table and pissing into some hot pot broth that
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was in a private dining room. They filmed themselves and
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posted the footage online.
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Again, what you know, how often have we done this
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story about somebody pissing in something and.
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Filming themselves and filming that's how they get caught. First
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of all, it's a disgusting knack. I did stupid shit
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growing up and nothing like that. That's just just disgusting.
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What ever even occurred to me to do something?
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How many people you think actually ate that shit?
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The restaurant would have you believe zero, But they didn't.
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It didn't get discovered until these guys posted it. So
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a lot a restaurant in Shanghai, jesus.
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A lot, Yeah, lots and lots.
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Uh.
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So after they posted it, they stated it was an
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intentional act and that they were fully aware of the
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negative impact. So they can't even claim afterwards and we
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didn't we mentioned as a harmless prank. No you didn't,
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because you just said you didn't.
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And it turns out it was delicious. Do you imagine.
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They've been employed as full time pissers. I would have
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turned into a career.
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This is what they do.
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The restaurant chain immediately issued an apology. They assure the public.
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They did thorough clean and sanitizing of well the affected
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airs areas, and they issued four thousand customers compensation and
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the amount of ten times what they paid.
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I don't know that anyway. Could you ever go back
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to that restaurant.
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No, but I mean I'd say that's about the best
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of the restaurant can do ten times what they paid.
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I mean the restaurant just ate some serious shows.
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Oh yeah for sure. But I mean you're always going
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to think about that if you go back to that restaurant,
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you know it's done.
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Could I get it with all the pistol items? I
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don't want to offend the show, so house the soup.
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The two seventeen year olds were named Wu In Tang
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Woo time.
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That's why they did it. I know, I saw that,
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like that can't be real.
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I think that's why I got my attention. Blitz Wu
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Tang bitch so Wu Tang, along with their parents have
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been ordered to pay the equivalent of two point four
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million in damages for business lost, reputational harm and other costs.
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That sounds high to me, but I don't blame them.
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That restaurants there there after that absolutely yeah.
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During heavy traffic on Friday, September fifth, and Prince George,
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British Columbia, the Royal Canadian mount mount To Police had
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caused to pull over a driver who was operating in
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a dangerous manner. At about nine am, police pulled the
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vehicle vehicle over which happened to be a hot pink
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Barbie jeep.
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He's going too fast which top five miles.
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The driver was identified as Casper Lincoln, who did not
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have a valid driver's license and he was over the
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legal limit of alcohol.
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Fudde I saw what they gave him. Was it like
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a you you it's not a It would be a
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d ui here in the States.
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It's the same thing.
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It's a day.
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You get a bunch of terms for o uy.
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Do you know what I mean? Do you think that's
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We've gone over this before, because it's like I told you,
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a friend of mine got a DUI for riding a bisy.
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I've heard of that too, and that's bullshit because those
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people literally did that because they didn't want to drive
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a car.
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I don't know if I can disagree with this one.
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He was driving, I mean he was driving on the
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roads literally during rush hour. If anything, he's gonna cause
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an accident because he's driving the hot pink Barbie right down.
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But dude, and he needed an icy slurpy and.
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That's what he was going for, going for slurpy.
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Told the cops he just had a hanker for a slurpee,
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so he stole his roommate's daughter's car to go and
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get one, and now he's in some serious trouble. Dude,
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just take your own car if you're gonna drive drunk.
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I'm not condoning it. But the hot pink jeep, the barbie,
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it's gonna draw a lot more. I don't know once
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this is over.
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Liam's got two hot wheels, uh four wheelers in the
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backyard we could take down, give it a show, give
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it a go.
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He's probably thinking, this car so small they won't even notice.
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Me, right, and the pink blends right at.
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Lastly, we have a doctor at Tameside Hospital in Manchets,
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England named suhl Jum. He had a patient on the
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operating table all prepped for surgery when he basically called
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a time out and told a nursing assistant that he
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needed quote a comfort break, and he asked them to
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keep an eye on his patient for him. A different
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nurse then walked in on him and a third nurse
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having sex and a separate operating He returned ten minutes
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later to perform the.
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Procedure to perform again. This is his second performance. I'm exhausted,
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but it's take a nap.
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The woman who had walked in on them reported the incident,
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which happened in September of twenty twenty three. It's only
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recently come to light because the doctor is living back
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in his home country a Pakistan, but has replied to
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return to England, hoping to work as a doctor again.
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He states in his words, this is a one off
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era of juge ja.
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Yeah, he only got off on it's because he had
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to get back to the operating room.
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It happened during quote a stressful time at home though,
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and he and his wife were failing to connect as
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a couple.
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Oh well, so, I mean that person on the table
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probably didn't well, you know, he was horny. I get it. Anyways, Up,
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I've gotta do what you gotta do. I'll go back
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to sleep. I'm not pressing any charges. It's gy code. Yeah.
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So that's it for the news this week, all right, well,
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what are you doing. I don't even know what you're
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doing this.
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Week, which I just just figured it out the other
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day myself. So, uh, this is my last episode before
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we go into spooky season. You'll have one more. So
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I wanted to do a true crime, but I wanted
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to do something a little bit different. So, uh, if
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you're familiar with a gilded age, that's going back away
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as it's kind of when after the Civil War, during
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the era when America first is when you first started
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to see the humongous difference between the really wealthy and
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the really poor in America. So that's when you got
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your Vanderbilts, your rocket Fellons and all that.
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So so like now right.
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As now it is SIMI now, but before those ages,
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you the rich and the poor were not that different.
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But after the Industrial Revolution you had a humungous disparency.
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And I've covered a lot of cases with the uh
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it's usually the poor folks doing it. So I wanted
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to cover a couple of cases where it was who's
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the rich folk acting worse that rich folks were acting?
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I've heard I don't know that one.
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We're gonna call this one when the upper crust goes
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bad nice. So we're gonna cover a couple of them.
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So all right, look forward to this. All right, guys,
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we'll catch over there, do you know what.
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So we're going to start our trip back to the
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Gilded Age of America in Chicago. Adolph Lutgart was born
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on December twenty seventh, eighteen forty five, and good Slow,
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Westphilia and what was pre unification Germany. He was the
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fourth of sixteen children.
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Man, that is wow. Can you imagine I was sixteen kids? No, No,
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I'm tired with one. I have four, but only three
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and then one. You know, yeah, I can't imagine sixteen.
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At that point you just loft the work on the
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other fifteen, you know a little.
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I have a buddy that has ten kids, and the
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older kids definitely were taking care of the other ones.
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So he came to the US as a young man,
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and he arrived somewhere in the same general time frame
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as the Chicago Fire of eighteen seventy one. Lukeert would
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later explain that he moved through a series of jobs
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and leather tanneries before starting a saloon on the corner
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of Clybourne and Webster Avenues. He married in his late
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twenties to Caroline rope Key, and they had two children together.
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She passed away in eighteen seventy seven. The following year,
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he married again to Louise Pickneyes, a pretty domestic servant
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who recently arrived from Germany or herself. She was ten
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years younger than he was, and they married on January eighteenth,
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eighteen seventy eight. Together they had four more children, so
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he now has six. He briefly opened a sausage business
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at the site of his former saloon, before then moving
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to a farm near Elgin. The call of the sausage
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proved too strong for him, and he was soon back.
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There's many women that have said that same thing. It's
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the call of the sausage. It's the lore. It's just
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the lore. He was soon back the other night, but
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then the call of the.
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Ditch my friends for the sausage. So he moved back
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to Chicago. He opens another sausage factory, this time at
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the corner of North and Sheffield Avenues. His business business
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thrived and soon he outgrew his factory. He purchased the
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land at the corner of Diversity Parkway and Hermitage Avenue
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for thirty thousand dollars and spent another one hundred and
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forty thousand on construction for his new factory. So that
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would equate to about four million dollars today. That's had
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a lot of money. Robert Lorizel, who wrote the two
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thousand and three book Alchemy of Bones, Chicago's Lutgert case
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of eighteen ninety seven. So he said he supposedly came
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up with a secret sausage making making recipes.
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I don't know.
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It's probably just him bragging about how great his sausage was.
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And I think all guys do that. We're all guilty
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of that to.
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A certain degree. Lutgert sold his.
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Sausages at the eighteen ninety three World's Colombian Exposition, which
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proved so successful that he soon became known as the
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sausage King of Chicago. The Colombian Exposition, or better known
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as the World's Fair, also saw the invention of the
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ferris wheel, and it proved to be the hunting ground
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of the notorious serial killer HH holme Us. So it
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was a busy time in Chicago. A Chicago Tribune article
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from October nineteenth, eighteen ninety seven, described the level of
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adoration and respect Lutgert received around the neighborhood. They gave
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him a wide berth when he went along the sidewalk
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with his great danes panting after him. When he spoke
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to them, they pulled off their hats. He employed more
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men than almost any one a mile around, and the
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neighborhood looked on his factory as a place where all
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the money in circulation originated. In eighteen ninety seven, his
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fortunes turned when he fell victim to a swindle. He
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went deeply in hawk to the banks to stay afloat,
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and his marriage began to crumble. The financial stress wasn't
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the only reason for this. Despite looking like a bulldog,
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and if you've seen pictures of him, Lutgert is not
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a good looking man, not at all. He was known
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to be something of a womanizer. One writer of his
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day described him as having a face of suet, hey guys,
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and a large, unkept mustache that was the perse fricked
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host for beer foam.
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Sounds like a keeper. If that's got you ladies turned on,
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it's that factory that makes him so good looking. Yeah.
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He told his wife that he frequently needed to stay
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at the factory around the clock to keep an eye
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on things. In a little bedroom next to his office,
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he often spent the night with his twenty two year
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old housekeeper. He was also wooing a wealthy widow by
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the name of Christina Feld. He sent her a series
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of gooey love letters that would later come to light.
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So at about ten fifteen pm on the night of
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Saturday May first, Louise was standing in her kitchen talking
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to her twelve year old son, Louis. He had attended
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the circus that evening and was telling her all about
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it when Adolph walked into the room and ordered the
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boy to immediately go to bed. When he went to bed,
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it was only his mother and father downstairs together. When
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he woke up the next day, his father told him
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that his mother was gone. She had left Adolf due
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to their financial troubles and had simply moved away. That's
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what he was telling people, and he was sticking with it.
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Three days later, Louise's brother paid Adolf a visit. Adolf
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told him that she was gone, but admitted that he
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had not bothered to search for and he had not
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notified the police. She might have gone away wandered away.
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I don't know something like that. That's a quote, so much,
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so much concern, he was reported to have said. It
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should be noted that only a month earlier, his great
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Dane had run off, and he had literally sprinted to
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the police station immediately and begged for help. Was friend there,
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but the dog wasn't cock blocking him with his housekeeper,
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Louisa's brother contacted the police and they began an extensive search,
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scouring the neighborhoods and dragging the river, but nothing was found.
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The newspapers covered her disappearance in detail, and people all
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over the region were claiming sightings of Louise. Police zeroed
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in on Adolf himself relatively quickly, but when they searched
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both the house and the factory, they turned up empty handed.
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On May fifteenth, they were contacted by the factory's night watchman,
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Frank Bialk. Apparently, on the night his wife disappeared, Adolf
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had been acting suspiciously and had secluded himself from the
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factory's basement with one of the large steam vats used
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in making sausages. The vat had been cleaned recently, but
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still contained a thick, greasy, reddish liquid that stunk horribly.
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Authorities drained the vat and at the bottom found several
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small bones and a wedding ring engraved with the initials
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l L. In a nearby ashpile, they found more bone,
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a false tooth, a hair pin, and pieces of cloth.
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He made sausage out of her.
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Seems so ha a. Adolf Luegert was arrested and charged
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with his wife's murder. Viction would be difficult, however, without
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a body, and forensics was in its infancy at the time.
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Adolph still held on to the fact that his wife
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was alive, so they would have to prove that she
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was not. They turned to an expert witness, George Dorsey,
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the first person to be awarded a pH d in
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anthropology from Harvard University. After carefully examining the bones recovered
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in the factory, he was able to determine that they
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were part of the skull and thigh bone of a
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small adult female. After three days of deliberation, the jury
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was unable to come to a verdict and a mistrial
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was declared. Two months later, Lutgert was brought to trial
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a second time, and this time the sausage king was
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found guilty. He was sentenced to life in prison, but
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he served barely a year in prison before dying of
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heart disease in eighteen ninety nine at the age of
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fifty three.
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Wow he served her up.
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I I wonder a lot of times if this story
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had anything to do with, like all the weird rumors
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about what's in slim gyms or hot dogs or stuff.
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Oh, yeah, you you've heard of Willie Picton. Yeah, he
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did the same thing.
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Yeah. Yeah, disgusting almost say. I mean, there's all kinds
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of weird stuff happening in factories, but you gotta assume this,
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this story had something to do with the hot dog, sausage,
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slim gym rumors.
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Oh yeah, I don't want to know what's in a
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hot dog. If it's I don't think if I'm cool
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with it.
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Yeah, they always they alway at the bottom, I will
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say something like various flavorings and stuff, and you don't want.
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To know it's Steve. This flavor is Steve.
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What's what's in here? Just goodness? A lot of goodness?
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Is this another wedding ring?
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It is? It's just a casing full of heaven. That's
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all you need to know.
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Next up, we have Edward Leslie Malino. He was a
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decorated general in the Civil War. After he came back
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home to Brooklyn, New York, a hero, he opened a
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successful paint manufacturing company and earned a fortune. He became
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a prominent figure in politics, public affairs, and he ran
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in the highest of social circles. His son, Roland Burnham Mollino,
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was born on August twelfth of eighteen sixty six, and
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he was afforded every advantage in life. He had the
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best of educations, and like his father, he ran in
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the city's most prominent families ran with him, excuse me.
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He became a champion amateur gymnast, was thought to be
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very handsome and an eligible bachelor. He briefly took a
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job as a chemist for his father's paint company. Roland
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was also thought to be a snotty and entitled douchebag
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by almost everyone who encountered him. In eighteen ninety five,
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at the age of twenty seven, he joined Manhattan's exclusive
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Knickerbocker Athletic Club, which was only available to the city's
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richest and most prominent citizens. Malineau liked to complain to
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management about any members who displeased him or that he
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thought unworthy of membership, and he would demand their removal.
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His demands were largely ignored, and not long after he joined,
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the club hired a new athletic director named Harry Cornish.
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For reasons unknown, Roland took an immediate dislike to the
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popular new athletic director, and he accused him of all
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sorts of violation of the gym rules and policies. Around
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Christmas time of eighteen ninety seven, Malineau went to the
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club's board of directors and demanded that Cornish be let
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go or he would be quitting the club. The board
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unanimously voted to retain Cornish and informed Malina the Cornish
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was not leaving. See and so he made good on
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his little pout and he resigned the club.
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He showed those fuckers take that.
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I'm done. What are you gonna do now? Almost exactly
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a year later, Christmas Eve eighteen ninety eight, Cornish receives
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an anonymous package in the mail. It contained a small
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bottle of Emerson's Bramo Seltzer with no note of any sort.
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He brought it back to the apartment he shared with
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his cousin Catherine Adams. Adams and her daughter, Florence. Three
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days after the package arrived, his cousin woke up feeling
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under the weather. She mixed some of the Bramo seltzer
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with water and drank it, falling dead almost immediately.
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Yeah, you may not want to drink shit that just
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the arrives in the man.
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No, that's always weird to me. Yeah, there's no chance
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I'd be taking that. He'd be going to the trash immediately,
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thank you, whoever, I'm not at Analysis of the bottle
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of Bromo seltzer revealed it had been spiked with cyanide.
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It took less than twenty four hours to make the
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connection that Cornish was not the first person connected with
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the Knickerbocker to be sent poisoned. But amazingly, it wasn't
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detectives who turned up this fact, but reporters for the
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city's Yellow Papers were which essentially the Gilded Age National Enquirer.
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They figured it out only six weeks before where Cornish
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received his package, A club member named Harry Crossman Barnett
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also received an anonymous package. This one included no note
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as well, and it contained cutnose improved effervescent powder, which
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was more or less alcacelts from one hundred years ago.
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After a late night of partying on the town, he
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returned home and took some of the medication, becoming violently
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ill shortly afterwards. He lingered for both three days before
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he too died. The powder was analyzed and was found
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to contain cyanide. Police had a murder on their hands,
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but they could find no suspects in this case went nowhere.
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But this second murder, with a connection of the Knickerbocker
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was the break that they needed. What did the two
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men have in common other than the club they had
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both made an enemy of Roland Molino. Barnett had been
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wooing an aspiring opera singer named Blanche Chessbro whom Moano
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also had his heart set on. She had jilted Molino
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for Barnett, then changed her mind when she realized that
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Barnett was nowhere near as wealthy as Molina. Before the
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package had even been mailed, however, she had already accepted
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an engagement from Molino. When she heard Barnett was ill,
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she sent him a note which read, I want to
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see you so much. Please do not be cross anymore
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and except I pray you my very best wishes, yours Blanche.
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Police had enough evidence to make an arrest and Roland
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Molino was arrested and charged with the murder of Catherine
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Adams only so he was not charged with the murder
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of Barnett. They didn't think they had enough though they
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think he did.
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Both, even though it's exactly the same as the case.
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They still do that stuff today though pick with thee.
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I think they have the best chance at the conviction
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on and you or the other one. For whatever reason,
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they chose the Catherine Adams one in this case. The
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arrest and subsequent trial made national headlines when it began
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in November of nineteen excuse me, eighteen ninety nine. The
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prosecution sought to bring up the details of the Henry
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Corps Crossman Barnett murder during the proceedings, and this led
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to the landmark New York Molina Rule, which prohibits the
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admission of evidence connected to defend its previous uncharged crimes
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in an attempt to prove their propensity to have committed
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the crime in question. It can be admitted only if
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it pertains to a very specific material issue which proves motive, intent, identity,
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or scheme, and this rule is still in effect to today,
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so mono rule still exists.
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Huh.
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Molina was found guilty and sentenced to death. He was
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sent to Sing Sing to await his execution, but Daddy's
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political clout was strong and his verdict was overturned on appeal.
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Only two years later, of course, it was he was
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given a second trial. In this time he was acquitted.
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Blanche had actually married Molineux before she knew that Barnett
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had been murdered, so after the murder, but before it
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was deemed to be a murder, she had accepted his
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marriage proposal and married him. Once she figured out it
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was murder, she no longer wanted to be married to him.
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She initially believed it was just an unfortunate accident. On
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the stand, he admitted he had been having sex with
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a thirteen year old employee of his father's company before
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he met Blanche. He had promised to marry the girl,
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but when he met Blanche, he fired her and forgot
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about her instead. Blanche left New York for Sioux Falls
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before Molinau was acquitted at the second trial, and she
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filed for divorce. She later remarried to her attorney and
508
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lived a long life. Roland, upon his release, took to
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writing poems in a novel, both of which were poorly received.
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He later wrote a play, which was also poorly received.
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He got married in nineteen twelve, but by the following
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year he began to exhibit strange behavior, and his parents
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had him placed in a sanitarium on Long Island.
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Oh, oh, it's not good to go to sanitarium back
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in those days.
516
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Coming out, he later escaped. Oh, that's the only way
517
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you get out.
518
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:05.640
That's the only way you get out of a senate.
519
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.519
But upon his escape, he assaulted several men before being
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declared insane and sent to the state hospital. He died
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there at the age of fifty one in nineteen seventeen
522
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:20.559
from advanced syphilis. Damn, that's what got al Capone, right,
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00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.240
it is, that's absolutely what got him.
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00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.160
Yep, Wow, all right, we got one more story for you.
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We'll be right back.
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Do you know what the world is?
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All right?
528
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.400
So this last case is about the murder of Stanford White.
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Stanford White was born on November ninth, eighteen fifty three,
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and at the turn of the century he was an
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architect at the firm of McKim mead and White. He
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had no formal architectural training, but learned the trade on
533
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the job through on the job experience. Today, he is
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widely considered one of the greatest architects of his or
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any generation. He designed Washington Square arch the Second Madison
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Square Garden, Pennsylvania Station, Boston Public Library, and several of
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the mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, amongst many others nice
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He got married in eighteen eighty four to Elizabeth Bessie
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Springs Smith. After their marriage, they took a six month
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honeymoon in both Europe and the Near East.
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Just six months.
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00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.720
I said, Oh, that's ridiculous.
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That's embarrassing.
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You can't even relax on only six months. It's too rushed.
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On their honeymoon, they accumulated antiques for both their own
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collections and for those of clients. Once back in New York,
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he began to develop a reputation as a womanizer who
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had an affinity for all things of the flesh. He
549
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.680
was particularly interested in young girls. The term wasn't in
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00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.960
use then, but today he'd definitely be called.
551
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A s actual predator.
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He was a scumbag. He had a multi story Manhattan
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apartment with a rear entrance on twenty fourth Street. He
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would groom a great many young girls here, bringing them
555
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in and out using the apartment's rear entrance. Simon Batt
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said in this twenty eighteen book The Girl on the
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Velvet Swing, Sex, Murder and Madness at the Dawn of
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the twentieth Century that White was quote one of a
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group of wealthy rue It's not a word I'm familiar
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with now, I don't know what that is, all members
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of the Union Club, who organized frequent orgies and secret
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locations scattered around the city. White's own granddaughter, Susannah Lassard,
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wrote in her book The Architect of Desire that her
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grandfather lost all interest in women after quote all new
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sensations were exhausted. She said his victims were barely pubescent
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and in fragile social and financial situations. Girls wouldn't be
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unlikely to resist his power, money, in considerable charm. This
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is his grand without a doubt. One young girl he
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set his sights on was Evelyn Nesbit. She began her
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career as an artist model in Philadelphia before moving to
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New York in nineteen hundred at the age of fifteen.
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Before long, she had achieved an iconic status and became
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America's first supermodel. She was huge back then. Oh wow,
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she was featured on cigar nmodel.
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Huh.
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00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.480
They didn't use that word, but that's exactly what she was.
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She was featured on cigar labels, Coca Cola calendars, and
578
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toothpaste ads, among many other plays. So she was everywhere.
579
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.279
That's an actual person. I just assumed I could think
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of the one that's on the Coca Cola.
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Uh.
582
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Yeah, I think of all of those ones you see
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are her, though it's usually cartoons, you know, not an
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00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.119
actual picture, right, like a dry yeah of her. Yeah,
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00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.160
that's her. It didn't take long for her to attract
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the attention of Stanford White. White had the approval of
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Nesbit's mother to take on a caretaking role and her
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desire to become an actor. He was helping her to
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gain a foothole in the upper society, and he provided
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her with a weekly allowance of twenty five dollars, which
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00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.000
is about one thousand dollars today, So it's a decent.
592
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A thousand dollars a week.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He paid a lot of money to have her teeth
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worked on because he found bad teeth to be a
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turn off personally, and if you're trying to advocate for
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00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.640
her career, what do you care? What turns you on
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00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.680
and off? A little strange how.
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Bad teeth are? Bad teeth? They are? Yeah.
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He bought her expensive gifts like a ruby and diamond ring,
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a large pearl on, a big platinum chain, bunch of furs,
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00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.079
stuff like that. He paid to move Evelyn and her
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mother from a boarding house into a hotel. On one occasion,
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he brought her to his hotel and he got her
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drunk on champagne and possibly drugged her as well. When
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she was passed out, he raped her on his canopede bed.
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She was sixteen, he was forty seven. For the next
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six months, they maintained a sexual relationship and were near
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constant companions. After their quote relationship ended, they remained in
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touch with him, continuing to act as her benefactor. When
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she began dating another man, he conspired with her mother
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to end the relationship by sending her away to a
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boarding school in New Jersey. Another admirer of Evelyn was
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a man named Harry K. Thaw from Pittsburgh. Thaw was
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the son of a millionaire industrialist, and he was known
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to be a deeply unstable playboy. He had shown signs
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of mental illness from early childhood. Thaw pursued her with
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an intensity that was likely equal parts infatuation with her
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and his already deep hatred of White. Thaw considered White
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to be his personal nemesis, even though White had long
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moved on to other underage girls. At this point, White
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considered Thaw to be a joke. He referred to him
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as a poser, a clown, and the Pennsylvania pug due
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to his baby face features. Nesbit was initially not at
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all interested in Harry Thal. She found his strange intensity
627
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and looks to be off putting. Eventually, she began to
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00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.440
find his single minded pursuit of her in his charm
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to be appealing. They embarked on a tour of Europe,
630
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where he proposed to her multiple times, but each time
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she turns him down. On one such proposal in Paris,
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she explained to him that she could not become as
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00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.280
bride as she was not a virgin. He convinced her
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to reveal all the details of Stanford White's sexual assault
635
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.000
to him, which caused him to begin to stew a
636
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great deal. When they stayed at a grim castle in Bavaria,
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he had all the hotel staff stay on one to
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the end of the castle while he and Evelyn stayed
639
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on the other end. He entered her room naked one
640
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night and beat her with a whip before he too
641
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.440
raped her. He then kept her in prison for two
642
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.079
weeks before then apologizing about the hole ordeal and begging
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00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.360
for her forgiveness. Wow, it's a really twisted circle here, Yeah,
644
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.639
it is. When they got back to New York, he
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00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.360
continued his courtship as though nothing had happened. She convinced
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herself that he was at heart a good man who
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meant well, and she did agree to marry him at
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the age of twenty in April two thousand and five.
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They will win. Despite having won Nesbit's hand in marriage,
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Thaw could not let his hatred of Stanford White go.
651
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.679
It was an obsession for him. On January twenty fifth,
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nineteen o six, Thaw and Evelyn were visiting the rooftop
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theater of Madison Square Garden. Ironically, it's a building that
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White himself had designed. At about eleven o'clock that night,
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White entered and took a seat at a table near
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the stage that was reserved solely for his personal use.
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They were all there to see the premiere of Ma'amselle Champagne,
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and Thaw and Evelyn had watched White enter. Whether their
659
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appearance at the same venue that night was a coincidence
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or pre planned by Thaw is unknown, but what is
661
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.039
known is that during the show's final number, a song
662
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.199
called I Could Love a Million Girls, Thaw walked up
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to White and produced a pistol, shooting him three times
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at point blank range. He struck him twice in the
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face and once in the shoulder. With White dying instantly,
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Thaw exclaimed he deserved it. He ruined my wife. The
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00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.159
crowd initially thought the murder was some sort of stage gimmick,
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but chaos ensued when they realized that what they had
669
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.079
seen was real and that Stanford White really was dead.
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00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:36.119
The newspaper coverage of the murder and ensuing trial was intense.
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White's reputation took a massive hit when word of his
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sexual activities was detailed. In Enduring the trial, Vanity Fair
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ran the headline Stanford White voluptuary and pervert and dies
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the death of a dog. It seems to me a
675
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.599
lot like Stanford White was basically an early version of
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Jeffrey Epstein's. While Harvey Weinstein, it seems like everybody, not
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the but everybody in the upper social circles knew damn
678
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:03.880
well what they were up to and just didn't do
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00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.639
anything to stop them. Right, It's exactly what it sounds
680
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.599
like like the Weinstein people knew for years, they just
681
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didn't say anything.
682
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.119
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that came out now
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about Weinstein where he wasn't I mean, he did have
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sex with a bunch of women, but it doesn't appear
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that he actually raped anybody.
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I haven't heard that yet. I don't know.
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00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.840
I watched the canvas owens about him. She'd been interviewing
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00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.960
and everything, and the woman that's claimed that, the main
689
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.599
one when the me too started or whatever that claimed
690
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.519
that Harvey Weinstein had raped her, was in a relationship
691
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.639
with her during that time and after, and there's text
692
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.920
messages about her bringing her mom to meet him and
693
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.960
talk to him after the fact. I mean, there's a
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lot to it. He kind of got railroaded. I mean,
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the guy's a douchebasuck. He's a total scum. Fuck. But
696
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he may not have done what he is in jail for.
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He's been accused so many tis. There's no way he
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didn't do at least.
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Some Noh, he's not a good guy. No, he's not
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a good guy. But I don't think he's guilty of
701
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:11.000
what he's in prison for.
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00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.079
I don't know. I haven't looked into I don't know.
703
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.559
Mark Twain wrote about him for his autobiography. New York
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has known for years that the highly educated and elaborately
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accomplished Stanford White was a shameless and pitiless wild beast
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disguised as a human being, and few, if any, have
707
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doubted that he ought to have been butchered long ago
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by some kindly friend of the human race. Under our
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infamous laws, the seducer is not punished, and not even disgraced.
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But his victim and all her family and kindred are
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smirched with a stain which is permanent, a stain which
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00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.840
the years cannot remove nor even modify. Our laws break
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the hearts and ruin the lives of the victim and
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of her people, and they let the seducer go free.
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I am not of a harsh nature. I am the
716
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reverse of that, and yet, if I could have my way,
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00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.280
the seducer should be flayed alive in the middle of
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the public plaza with all the world to look on.
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So obviously he is not a big fan of Stanford White.
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Now doesn't sound like it, does it.
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While he awaited trial, Harry thal was housed in the
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Tomb's prison, but his stay was hardly what the general
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population had to endure. He dined on meals catered from
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Delmonico's restaurant. He slept in a brass bed. He wasn't
725
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required to dress in prison guard He had his own
726
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tailored clothing. He was allowed a daily ration of both
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wine and champagne. Man prison life is rough.
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That is.
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Thw would end up being tried twice for the murder
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of Stanford White. The first trial resulted in a hung jury.
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The second one saw him found not guilty by reason
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of insanity, but he was ordered to be sent to
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the Mattawan State Hospital for the criminally Insane for the
734
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rest of his life. It was said that the Thaw
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family offered Evelyn Nesbit a substantial sum of mone money
736
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to provide testimony at bull trials that would be beneficial
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to their son. The money paid to her was reportedly
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very inconsistent, and after the second trial they cut her
739
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off completely. Thal was judged to no longer be insane
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in nineteen fifteen and was set free. The following year,
741
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he was arrested for kidnapping, beating, and sexually assaulting a
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nineteen year old man in Kansas City. So they were wrong,
743
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yeah again, and that happened so often.
744
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You know, though, I think back in the day, you know,
745
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he went to a mental hospital. I think the mental
746
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hospitals were worse.
747
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They were they were worse.
748
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I think you would have preferred to end up in prison.
749
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But you can't no longer found be found guilty. You know,
750
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when you sent away for life, you were alive. But
751
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a mental hospital a couple years later, all of a sudden,
752
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he's he's not or now he's good to go.
753
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Get a fool somebody into thinking that.
754
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So at his trial for this second charges, he was
755
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once again found insane and sent to Kirkbride Asylum in Philadelphia.
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A decade after that, he was set free yet again.
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He ended up dying of a heart attack in Miami
758
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on February twenty second, nineteen forty seven, at the age
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of seventy six. Evelyn gave birth to a son on
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October twenty fifth, nineteen ten, in Berlin, while her husband
761
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was still incarcerated. She would always insist that the child
762
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was Thaws and that he had been conceived during a
763
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conjugal visit. Thw would always maintain that he was not
764
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the child's father, and no such conjugal visit had ever
765
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occurred to this day. We don't know whose good it is,
766
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but uh, I don't know that it matters. But Evelyn
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Nesbit divorced Harry Thaw in nineteen fifty. She married again
768
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a few years later, but this marriage two ended in divorce.
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With money tight, she toured on the vaudeville circuit, singing
770
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and dancing to hits of the day, but people didn't
771
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come for her talent. They came for her notoriety. Her
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acting and modeling career tailed off as she got older,
773
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and she ended up opening a tea room, but that
774
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was only open for a few months before she had
775
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to close it there was no business. She became addicted
776
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to alcohol and morphine in attempted suicide at least twice.
777
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Money would main tight for the rest of the days.
778
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She died in Los Angeles, on January seventeenth, nineteen sixty seven,
779
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at the age of eighty two. Her funeral was only
780
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attended by a few people because the world had forgotten
781
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all about him. Oh so it is a sad story.
782
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I mean it is.
783
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That's not a happy ending for anybody in that story.
784
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But she, I mean, she gets obviously raped by a monster.
785
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Another guy kind of presents himself as a savior.
786
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He's another monster, and.
787
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By this time, her career and probably everything another that
788
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was good is broken. Stanford White gets killed but Mary
789
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though it doesn't.
790
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Yeah, that's a rough one.
791
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It's a very rough story. No, and I don't think truthfully,
792
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that wasn't Hollywood.
793
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That was New York.
794
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But that was basically Hollywood at the time. I don't
795
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think things were changed all that much.
796
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No, really, I don't think so either. It just keeps going,
797
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.760
does It's a cycle? Yeah? Oh, great job with those, Bud.
798
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I appreciate that.
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Like that. All right, guys, we're gonna now head over
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to the fire pit. We will catch you over there.
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I guess you. Nope, what's homit is? Can't try to
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fire the bit.
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All right, guys, we need you to get those stories
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into us. Beyond the Shadows two o seven, What the
805
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hell beyond the shadows? To us having at gmail dot com.
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I've been saying it for two and a half years
807
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.800
and I still can't get it right or any of
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00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:30.400
our socials. This one comes to us from Armando A god,
809
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damn it, fuck it. Cann't have to.
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Scott's got one job.
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It's not an easy job.
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Our email is.
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Mango is here again with another story.
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I think h Scott on the previous episode said something
815
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along the line.
816
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So, oh, how do you canna lose? Or well, guys,
817
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I do have a story for you. So to give
818
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.360
you a little bit of context, here in Costa Rica,
819
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we do have a quote unquote free insurance.
820
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:20.719
So every worker and employer get asked to feed this institution,
821
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:26.239
which unfortunately is extremely understaffed, underperformed, the corrupt.
822
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:26.840
Right.
823
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So if you don't have something like life's threatening, Let's
824
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say you go to the doctor and the doctors see
825
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.000
that there's like a mask and a goodie cancer, you
826
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.960
will get an appointment for like twenty thirty seven how
827
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long that time?
828
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.760
So he could you.
829
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.800
Know you coup most likely that away before you actually
830
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:50.280
get that.
831
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.880
I get a first appointment to you get that look then, right.
832
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.840
So anyways, my dad has some trouble breeding, so they
833
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:06.400
schedule a biopsy on his lungs to see what the
834
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.360
heck was in his lungs, right, But it wasn't like
835
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.679
some a couple of years out.
836
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.199
So one Rundom Monday, they called call him in. Hey,
837
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.920
you need to get here to the hotel right now.
838
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.559
We're going to do some tests and if everything is
839
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:26.159
right with you, we will do this the biopsy tomorrow,
840
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.159
which a biopsy is pretty much surgery where they go
841
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:33.039
in and snatch a piece of that tissue to see
842
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.199
what's going on with that particular tissue.
843
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.800
Right, But that's pretty much how it works.
844
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.800
Because they had stuck up and on Tuesday, uh, and
845
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.920
they called him on Monday to past first and then
846
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:45.800
call him in.
847
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.679
So basically you have to give up your entire day
848
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:53.360
because even though you are going in for that day, right,
849
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:56.800
So they're they're gonna tell you that the surgery could
850
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:58.360
be a noun, a.
851
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:03.760
M could be a ten eleven, twelve, one pm in
852
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.280
get my point. So as soon as the doctors are available, right,
853
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.960
just because people like kind of squeze in. Somebody had
854
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.920
to answer something like that. So, needless to say, this
855
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.239
is not a fun experience. The patient needs to go
856
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.199
without in phones because again air quotes, they might get lost.
857
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.519
So the hospital asked for a contact phone number and
858
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.960
they will contact that, you know, phone number one, that
859
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.639
they have a number. But we dropped me off around
860
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.599
five am, right, and they put him on the surgery
861
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.800
on the verdical tlint and we had to leave because
862
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.000
you cannot stay in the hospital, right, so you have
863
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:51.599
to leave. They finally called around noon to notify us
864
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.880
that the surgery will be a one pm, right, the
865
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.079
call of the lune frasure will be a one They
866
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.920
told us to call back at two pm, one hour
867
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.400
later because this is a standard procedure for them, shouldn't
868
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:06.159
take more than.
869
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.599
One hour, and took like within the hour.
870
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.920
He shoot you already in the recovery ring because you
871
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.039
called back that to p M and to confirm that
872
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.199
everything went well.
873
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.840
Well, we waited.
874
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.800
Until two fifteen to call the hospital because they didn't
875
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:23.159
call out.
876
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.199
You know, we'll just waiting to see the calls first.
877
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.480
But you know, because they didn't, we called that.
878
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:34.639
And this is how that that particular call went. So
879
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.679
this is me right, So, hello, I'm looking for Armando Senior.
880
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.239
He stood be in recovery by now as very real
881
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:46.800
last update, and the hospital Red says on the other
882
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.960
side of the phone, I'm sorry we lost him. So
883
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:56.760
I'm incredibly you know, baffled, shocked, everything at the same time,
884
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.840
all the emotions they can think of they went in
885
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.840
through my mind. It was just a simple biopsy, was like,
886
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:09.400
it's a very standard procedure. Now, there's not much wiggling
887
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.960
where something could have gone wrong there.
888
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.280
And so I replied.
889
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.760
To the hospital Red, It's like, what exactly happened there?
890
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.840
Like he was healthy, like he does have something like
891
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.360
healthy issus, but he was healthy overall. But how did that?
892
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.880
My dad is no longer with us on a very normal,
893
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.000
standard procedure like a biopsy probably is a very simple operation.
894
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.880
And then the hospital read in Battery's like.
895
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:46.039
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean we lost him meaning that that.
896
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.880
I mean that would be like we lost him meaning
897
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:56.320
that we don't know where he's at. And to this
898
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:01.039
took me a second to a like, I understand the
899
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.000
words that were coming out on the other side of the.
900
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.559
Phone, I just couldn't process them right.
901
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.000
And I had to ask him like, well, sir, how
902
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:16.400
exactly do you lose a patient? I'm out of surgery. Wait,
903
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.239
shouldn't he be healing like a like a journey and
904
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.320
like a boom or like a recoverery woomb.
905
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:23.880
Or something like that.
906
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.920
And they told me, and he basically their hospital there
907
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.360
just basically told me. He's like, no, I don't know,
908
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:33.519
call me back in the hours see if I can't
909
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:33.960
find him.
910
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:42.320
I so needless to say, that was the most unegaine interaction.
911
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.239
That I have ever been on the phone. And he
912
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.199
didn't mind that I work in customer service on the phone,
913
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:52.079
so I do have them praise the stories there, but this,
914
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.400
this is my find the craziest one, right, So do
915
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.840
you give your guys like the story has to have right?
916
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.639
So my dad is fine, he was like, I'm just
917
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.559
very upset at how that disne works.
918
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.760
So we had to start networking to see.
919
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.320
If we knew or we had any acquaintances of friends
920
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.320
or you know, family or friends or whoever who what
921
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:24.599
had that particular hospital hospital on that schedule that day
922
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.679
to go on it and physically look for my dad.
923
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.079
So we finally got lucky.
924
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.400
Enough to find somebody who we did try to know,
925
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:38.280
like I'm going somewhow, and he was working on side
926
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:42.199
and he literally had to go around the floor just.
927
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:46.679
Like calling his name until my dad raised his hand.
928
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.960
Oh yeah, we found him. We found him great. But
929
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.920
the thing is that took us a full day to
930
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.480
track him down. And it turns out that there are
931
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.280
three big properly rooms. Each one of them has a
932
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:02.599
different phone numbers. And the worst part is that he
933
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:06.719
even wasn't she wasn't on any of those recovery a
934
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.519
groom because he was just let pushed into the surgery
935
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.320
right into that appointment and then.
936
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.840
They placed him on the hallway and kind of forget
937
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.599
about it, so we couldn't find the whole day. I
938
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:25.360
was super fun. So now how you love the patient? Yeah? Now,
939
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.559
hope you guys are doing my audit story and.
940
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.360
Hope it makes sense and it's just, oh my gosh,
941
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.079
just live right so you get a little with a bunch.
942
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.960
So guys, I really appreciate you showing great going and
943
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.559
thank you for you know, letting share my crazy stories.
944
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.960
Uh here, hope that everybody doing them. I need to
945
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.039
stop just them now. Hope you guys have a great
946
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.840
day in a great weekend, Armando.
947
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.519
You should have your own podcast. You tell an amazing story,
948
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:58.360
absolutely amazing.
949
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.440
Don't don't stop ending up.
950
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:01.880
All three has been great.
951
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.920
Yeah they have. And we've had a few more of
952
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.159
them too. So he sent He's sent in quite a few,
953
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:07.840
which is awesome.
954
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.039
He's a natural storyteller. He does it well. He's dude's funny.
955
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.719
Yeah, he Uh, Costa Rica. I didn't realize he was in.
956
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.960
I think that's the first time he said that. I've
957
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.840
always wanted to go to Costa Rica. Yeah, apparently I
958
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:22.320
don't want to go to the hospital. I had heard
959
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.119
their hospitals were really good down there.
960
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.119
They get a lot of Apparently not on that day.
961
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.960
Apparently not. They find your father in the janitor's closet.
962
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.360
Why would you not think that he had passed? If
963
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.639
they say we lost him, think we physically lost him.
964
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.159
We're sorry we lost him. No, No, he's not here.
965
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.639
He's fine. I just don't know where the fuck he is.
966
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.239
That's awesome. All right, thank you for that story, but
967
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.239
we appreciate it. The rest of you guys get those
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