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Hello everybody, my name is Paul.
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And my name's Clayton.
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And you are listening to the Beyond the Poolist podcast.
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It's that time, Clayton.
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It is that time.
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For Absolute Batman.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's next week.
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Oh, it's so close.
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What was today?
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What was today?
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I don't know.
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It something did something happen?
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Did something come out?
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I was looking at it.
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Was it Amazing Spider-Man 1001?
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Nah.
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No, we don't care about that.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Well, it was something.
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I feel like it has something to do with DC that came out today.
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Was it like another Flash movie?
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Because I've been waiting for another Flash movie.
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Yeah, because yeah, I hope somebody clips this right now because like The Flash was the best DC movie I've ever watched.
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I stop.
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Today we are doing our clayface review.
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We just got out of the theater.
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We just went and watched it.
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Like we literally, we just yeah, we're still in the parking lot.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're in the theater.
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Yeah, we're in the theater.
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They're they're calling the cops.
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The cops are coming to kick us out.
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Um, but for the most part, uh yeah, this is uh we're this is very exciting to talk about.
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We we just went and seen it, we came back, and we have we have barely spoken because we we've been wanting to kind of have everything be discussed on here.
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Um if you haven't seen Clayface yet, because we are realizing that this is out on a Saturday, and it just came out yesterday.
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So you should go see Clayface before you listen to this show because we are talking all spoilers, everything.
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Like if you if you don't care, listen to this episode.
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If you do care, stop right here, go listen, go watch the movie, and then come back.
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Yes.
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So um That's your spoiler warning.
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From everything from here on out is pure spoilers.
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Pure spoilers.
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So um a couple years ago, they announced that they were making a Clayface movie.
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And I had kind of heard that they were doing that, and of course, we've been in this era of super villain movies.
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We've had Venom.
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We've had actually a Venom trilogy, we had Joker, we had um Am I missing We're pretending that Joker 2 doesn't exist.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot.
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Yeah, honestly, I forgot that that movie existed because I've still not seen it and I refuse to watch it.
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Um what um Foley Do or whatever?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I was saying the other villain movie we got was uh Black Adam.
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We did get Black Adam, but still not the movie I'm thinking of.
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What are you thinking of?
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No, no, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.
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And uh, I'll tell you what I'm thinking of.
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I was just gonna I mean I don't think there's any I can't think of Black Adam's Morbius time.
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Oh gosh, yeah, we got a Morbius movie.
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I forgot about that too.
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Anyway, but we're here to talk about a good DC movie, a good supervillain movie.
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Yes, I would argue maybe one of the best.
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I'd argue the best.
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Really?
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Okay.
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I would okay.
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I'm still when when the when the movie ended, the first thing you you asked me was, do you think that's better than Joker?
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And I went, I'm not sure yet.
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Not that this is bad.
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I'm just I'm kind of like, oh, I don't know.
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Like they're pretty close.
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I need to let it sit for a minute.
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We do, we do, because the hype is gonna for sure make me be like, you know, like that was 10 out of 10.
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I can't wait for us to do this review.
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And then like by Sunday, people are like, This is the worst movie ever.
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And then we're like, oh, uh, you know what?
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We hate it too.
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We're gonna jump on the bandwagon, we're followers.
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Um, but no, but they announced this movie and the trailer came out.
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And I remember when that trailer came out, the first thing I did was I sent it to you, and I or you sent it to me, or I sent it to you.
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We one of us sent it to you.
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We were talking about it because uh we had just started the podcast not too long when the first trailer dropped.
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Yeah.
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And uh one of the first things I said to you was, This looks like your movie uh because it had those vibes.
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And we even made we talked about it on the show.
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We didn't.
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We made a post about it, and we even titled the post Clayface Movie of the Year.
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Yeah, and like that was just to obviously get engagement.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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Um, but actually we were pretty excited about it.
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I mean, I I thought like I remember showing the trailer to my mom, and I was like, I was like, hey, they're making a clayface movie.
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She knows who Clayface is, she genuinely knows who clayface is, and she was like, Oh, you used to you loved Clayface growing up.
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And I showed her the trailer and she was like, Oh my gosh, why why is it like scary?
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And I was like, Because it's made for me.
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It's made, I'm the target audience, folks.
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Somebody says, Who even asked for this?
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Paul's like, Me.
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I did well, I didn't ask for it, but I'll take it.
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I'll take it.
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Um, so I uh we're we're not gonna go in any chronological order.
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We're just gonna kind of talk about things and how we uh how you know, just what we think about different parts of the movie.
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Um for but a quick synopsis, real quick.
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This story follows Matt Hagen, who is a super celebrity.
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He is he's just made it big by getting uh uh nominated for an Academy Award, which is the defining moment in his career.
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And he is partying, celebrating this achievement, and he runs into this girl who um is flirting with them, and she's like, you know, I know you, you're famous, and and she puts a pill on her tongue, they make out, and it turns out that she is the girlfriend of a mafia boss who he wakes up the next morning, he's in the bed, they attack him and completely cut his face to pieces.
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So he is lost all hope, he loses all his contracts, everything his life is completely falling apart and is pretty much over at this point.
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But he learn he learns of this new research about these cells that can repair tissue damage.
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So he reaches out to this girl.
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What what was her name again?
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Her character name?
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It was um That's bad that we just got out of the movie and we can't remember.
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Uh it was Caitlin.
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Caitlin, okay.
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So uh he runs to Caitlin, who they start working together.
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Um, it starts working, but then there are these side effects, and he ends up uh he injects more of these uh AI stem cells inside of him, and um which makes him pretty much indestructible.
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He can cut himself and immediately heal, he can change how he looks, he can change his face, but it is starting to have repercussions on his mental state.
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And he begins to go as he learns that all these people have betrayed him that were on his team originally, that were for him, have betrayed him in this huge, you know, crime mafia like spider web kind of.
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Honestly, yeah, it's it's everything, everything has been against him paid off by a mafia boss, you know.
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And he finally kills all these people, and at the end of the movie, he tries to get with Caitlin because he loves her, and he is too far gone, and then we see Clayface.
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So that is kind of the the the whole movie.
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The quick synopsis of the movie.
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Again, we're not gonna try to do beat for beat because that would take hours.
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Yeah, and Gabriella told us not to take three hours this time, and we gotta respect Clayton's wife because she will beat me and me.
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Just kidding.
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We love you, Gabriella.
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But um I'm what are some of your thoughts on this movie?
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What are some first two?
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So, first off, I just had an idea.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um, what if we do this movie in the good, the bad, and the ugly?
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Ooh, I got you.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I'll I'll start out with some good stuff that I have about this movie.
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Um everything.
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Um, okay, so so here's uh like being serious for a moment.
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I don't like horror movies.
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You do not?
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I'm a I'm the biggest weenie that has ever weenied.
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Yeah, and I'm surprised you actually we went to see this because I didn't think you would go since it was considered a horror movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um honestly, my wife, Gabriella, she was kind of like, Are you sure you want to go watch this?
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I'm like, yeah.
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And everybody online was saying, like, it's it's like obsession, it's like that that horror kind of suspense stuff.
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And I'm like, oh boy, I I haven't even watched Obsession.
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And I have, and it was terrifying.
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And uh I was like, oh gosh, what am I getting myself into?
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And um actually it was really good.
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It was good for somebody like me who doesn't like horror because it was more body whore rather than like jump scare and like paranormal stuff.
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Like I just I'm just a weenie.
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Yeah, and I can't.
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Um but this was good, it was body whore.
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I can handle that.
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I told Gabriella on the phone on the way over here that um there was there's a lot of gore in this movie, but it it's gore that works, so it's not gore, yeah.
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Yeah, it's not gore just for the sake of like let me show you bat the bastion this guy's brains out.
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Let me show you uh like why he has to go through these steps and like eventually become the monster.
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Yeah.
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Um, so so that's my good.
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Um, it's it's good for somebody who like doesn't really like horror but want can tolerate a little bit.
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Um, I think the story overall is is just really good.
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It moves very fast, it does move very quickly.
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Is also like a bad, but it's not like a bad, bad that I have.
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Um, but it does move you're immediately thrown in and it's just go, go, go, go, go, go.
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Yeah.
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Um, good, the the twist at the end, where um, again, spoilers, um, he and Caitlin are together in like the sewers now, and uh she they're talking like, well, I love you, and I can't we can finally be together, and they start making out and the camera pans out, and it's just and it's just one big conglomerate.
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And oh the the monster looked amazing when he went full monster mode.
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Yes.
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Um the it just it was I it was really good.
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It was it was really well done.
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And it was it wasn't I don't even know like how else to say it, but it was just a really well done, interesting villain story.
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Yeah, um and what I really like is that sometimes like Ven uh Venom had this problem, unfortunately.
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Um that Venom is typically a villain, right?
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Um I and I know you might disagree with that on the other.
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Well, I mean, no, he he is tip he is a uh a villain, he's supposed to be a villain, yeah.
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Um but he ends up in the movies being an anti-hero.
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Right.
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Um, but this is a purely villain movie.
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Yeah, he is a villain.
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He is not a guy.
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And I told you that was one of the things we we did discuss in the theaters, is that um I like this better than Joker because in Joker you know he's going to become Joker.
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Yeah.
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You you just know that already.
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But with this, there is a point where you're like, you can come back from this.
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You you can be saved.
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And that's and for me, that's before he starts killing people.
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Right.
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Once he starts killing, you're like, you've made the decision to go too far.
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Yeah.
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And and even like there's there's moments where like him and Caitlin kind of have this kind of chemistry.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, dude, don't don't do this.
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Like you're you're almost begging him, don't don't become the villain.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's a really good story.
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Uh yeah, I agree.
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Uh, but then he goes too far, and then you're like, dang it.
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I'm like, yeah, I wish you wouldn't have.
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Yeah.
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Um, but yeah, like I I really don't have that many complaints, if I'm being honest.
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My my good personally is so um this movie was um as I I I think for a villain movie, it's a it's a fantastic movie because the the thing is is like, first of all, um a problem that I had with Venom was that you can't have Venom without Spider-Man.
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Right, right.
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This movie, you can have Clayface without Batman.
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Batman is not involved in the creation of Clayface.
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Right.
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That is that is Matt Hagen's doing, or whoever, you know, basil Carla, whoever is Clayface, you know, um it it's that person's fault that they become clayface.
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You know, Batman is not, he just he just fights the aftermath.
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Right.
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And so like the good for me is that I think that the story does go really fast.
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It jump it jumps you right in, but it's very clear that there was a well-written concept.
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You can tell this is is it takes from the animated series because I just I actually just watched the second half today just because I hadn't I had never seen those.
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I didn't watch the Batman, I didn't grow up with the Batman animated series.
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I grew up with other Batman shows.
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Man, that makes me feel old.
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Well, I mean, I grew up with the Spider-Man one, so I'm not I just I just I just I wasn't into Batman yet, I think when that was kind of the hot show.
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Um but like um you know, I watched it so I can see the connections, but also this movie stands alone.
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You don't have to watch that to know this.
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But I can see like the you know, there's a a scene in the movie where you know when his face like he, you know, he gets injections and it's slowly like they're doing it in small doses, so like it's slowly getting better and better and better.
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And then, you know, uh Caitlin is like, hey, you don't need to, is it Caitlin?
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I'm pretty sure it's Caitlin.
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Okay, I want to make sure I haven't said we we know the main character's name.
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It's just I was very invested in the movie that I completely forgot the the name of the main the side character.
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Um sorry, I do that a lot.
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Everybody, that's not my fault.
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Anyway, yeah, it's Caitlin.
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It's Caitlin, okay, cool.
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Um so Caitlin, like they're they're doing these small doses, and she kind of tells she tells Matt, like, hey, you don't need no red carpets, like you we're still testing.
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We're in uncharted territory because Matt is like, you know what?
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I want to start human trials.
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If this kills me, that that will be the best thing that could happen to me right now.
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My my face is messed up.
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I'm nothing, I'm a nobody.
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Like, killing me would be a favor.
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Right.
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And it's like, so he takes the gamble and it works out, and his face is slowly getting better.
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But then on the red carpet, he starts to he runs into his former boss who kind of just threw him away.
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Yeah.
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Once it once this accident happened, she just got rid of him.
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And you see his face start to melt and his like eye is starting to like open up, and it's just it's like, ooh, you know, so there's an association with anger and the the the clay kind of malfunctioning.
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And um, from that point forward, like his face starts messing up really bad, and he panics because he's like, I need to fix this.
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Like, I my face is messing up again.
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So he injects himself with this massive amount of the like uh like he overdoses pretty much on these clay AI like nanite things, right?
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Yeah, and and it completely like he's like spitting teeth.
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Is that what was coming out of his mouth?
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He's like spitting up teeth or something.
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I remember when it like does a pan over of her lab, yeah.
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Um you see like these chunks of things, yeah.
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So I think it's just like c clay, honestly.
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I think he honestly spits up clay.
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Yeah.
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Because at first, because he spits out two of them at first, I thought he just spit out his eyeballs because they're they're round and that's kind of what they look like.
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Um but uh I think it's I think it's clay.
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Right.
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But it but that scene was so cool because it was like we're actually getting the the Matt Hagel, like this needs to be fixed right now, and I'm just gonna do I'm gonna be stupid and make stupid decisions to get myself fixed.
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And it and it works until it slowly starts, and but until it slowly stops working.
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And and but again, this movie in terms of the good, very well written story, very well.
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Um I mean, not a lot of character development, but you get what you need to move forward.
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Right, right.
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You know, it's like this is exactly what you need to move forward.
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You understand their motivation, you understand every character's motivation, and um you know, the good, um the bad, I guess.
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Do we want to talk about it?
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We can talk about the bad, yeah.
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I don't have a lot of to of bad bad stuff.
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Like, I think you know, it was quick.
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I wanted more, I do want more.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I did mention, like, hey, if DC doesn't do anything with Clayface, I think that that's gonna be a huge missed opportunity because it's like like you just built this amazing villain in one movie.
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Like you you made him, so now throwing him in if they do a Batman film that's not like you know Robert Pattinson's um, whatever they're Batman Brave in the Bold or whatever it is they're gonna do.
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Um this would be a great villain to put in there.
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But I I do think that um we didn't get to see Clayface much, we got to see him fully clay monster face like twice, which is that was a little disappointing, but again, I can look over it because it was just like the this is about Matt Hagen becoming this thing.
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Um that's really my own only critiques.
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I don't have a lot.
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Um and the ugly is the body horror.
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Yeah, like the amount of body horror in this movie of like, you know, you see them doing surgery on his face, and like he has like what six surgeries before he starts the clay experiments thing.
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And um, and it turns out it was just like a money scheme with the the mafia boss, like he's they're just kind of cutting corners just to whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And um, but it shows very like shows constantly them cutting his nose open and pulling the skin back and like the bone and like it's very graphic.
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When when the mobsters are in there cutting his face, he puts the knife in his mouth, kind of like the Joker in Dark Knight, but you actually see him freaking yank it out.
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You I I heard you're like oh yeah, I because I just didn't expect to see it.
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Like in that, but it should it's very, very but and it looks good.
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It doesn't look really it doesn't look fake, it doesn't look like even the transformations were very quick, like a lot of times when uh when Matt was like he would literally just like through a dime change into like another person, yeah.
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Um but I think um the clay malfunctions of like his face and his like lip dragging and his eyes sagging, or like this airplane scene where his eyes are closed and and he kind of he's trying to cut cut through the lenses while like he's in the bathroom was so like oh because I you know I'd seen everybody on on social media be like, oh my gosh, like reacting to it.
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It wasn't as bad as social media people made it out to be, but um, I was very scared that it was gonna be really bad.
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Um, because it shows close-ups of them cutting the skin.
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I mean, it it really like leans into that body horror.
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Yes.
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So I want to go back to a good real quick, okay, and that is that um Batman's not in this movie.
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And and and you were kind of talking about that, and I think that's a good thing.
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I I would agree that's a good thing.
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Because I I know you've not seen any other DCU projects yet.
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I again I don't what what all has there been?
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There's been Superman, Super Girl, Creature Commandos, Creature Commandos, Superman, Super Girl, Lanterns, Suicide Squad is technically, but it came out before I've seen Suicide Squad.
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Um, not the 2016.
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I know the the one with the King Shark.
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I've seen that one.
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I've liked it.
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That that's a part of this universe, but that's it's not, it was before James Gunn fully took over.
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Right.
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Um let's see.
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And then obviously Clayface.
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So yeah, I think um if real quick, just for um clarification, when we were in the theater, I had told Clayton, I was like, I think this is the first DC movie I've seen since the James Gunn's took over.
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Yeah.
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I just I never went and seen Superman.
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I heard Supergirl wasn't good, so I just didn't go see it.
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And again, I'm not DC is kind of my not real I don't really venture to DC, but Batman I do venture into Batman and Clayface, I was not gonna miss this movie.
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Yeah, um, yeah.
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So um and Peacemaker is also part of the DCU.
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I've seen a little bit of Peacemaker.
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I knew I knew I was forgetting something.
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Um but in all of these projects, you've seen Batman once, and that's in Creature Commandos.
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There's a scene where uh Dr.
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Phosphor Phosphorus is like at a nightclub or whatever, and then the camera like pans up, and Batman's like in the night light, and he's silhouetted, and you just see like his cape flying.
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That is the only time you've seen Batman.
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We've not seen him in anything else, yeah.
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And I think that is so good because it it it makes Batman feel like this this menacing force.
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Yeah, and I really expected Batman to show up like even just something like that, like his cape flapping or something.
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Yeah, and I'm so glad that we didn't because it's really building up this hype for Batman.
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Like he is here, but you just don't see him yet.
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Yeah, and that's gonna make when they finally do do him, uh, it's gonna be like just so awesome.
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Yeah, for somebody, especially for me, I'm not a Batman fan.
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Yeah.
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Uh so but I I'm like, I can't wait to see Batman.
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You just can't wait to see, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and I and I again, I think that him not being in this movie really lets Matt just kind of take the screen.
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You know, you're invested in Matt.
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And and it does it gets really frustrating in some superhero movies, especially now where everything is so universe built.
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Yeah.
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When you're watching a movie and then someone else jumps in.
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Right.
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And again, I I love cameos.
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I love it when I love those things, but sometimes it's just like let let this movie be about him.
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Yeah, you know, let him be the biggest, scariest thing here because Batman is big and scary.
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If Superman dropped in, that that's a big force.
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Right.
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Let Clayface be the big force of the film.
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And I think like just giving this to him, it it felt everything felt like I didn't feel like I needed Batman.
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I mean, uh, we we waited for a post-credit scene.
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There wasn't one because there had been rumors that there was gonna be a Batman post-credit scene.
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And I'm not mad that there wasn't.
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I'm not mad at all.
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And I I think like this movie, because again, we've talked before, this movie was a a member at DC went up to James Good and said, Hey, I would love to make a Clayface movie.
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And he says, What every great filmmaker says, okay, write the script.
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And the guy left and he came back with the script and showed it, and James Good said, Great, I think this is amazing, let's do it.
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And and they made a movie.
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This wasn't in the plan, and a lot of people have been kind of trashing it because of that.
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They're like, Oh, well, we got Superman, Supergirl, and then Clayface.
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That's such a random order.
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It's like, well, this is somebody passionate that wants to make a movie about just something small in this big universe.
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So here I am about to defend James Gunn again.
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Uh because I feel like I j defend James Gunn on Instagram all the time.
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Um what I love I I guess so some people, some people, it's it people are 50-50.
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Yeah, yeah, they really are.
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Um, but what I love about what DC is for years, our biggest complaint as DC fans was they're just trying to be Marvel.
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Stop trying to be Marvel.
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Yeah, just do your own thing.
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And now that's what James Gunn is doing.
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DC is doing their own thing.
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Yeah, you're we're not we're not trying to build a cohesive universe.
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We're not trying to build um uh up to an endgame level thing.
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We are building unique stories that people want to have in you know, like digest.
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Yeah.
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Um I think that's one of the reasons why Superman is in my top five favorite movies.
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Now, Superman, I'm also biased because I love Superman.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But Superman is in my top five movies because it doesn't feel like he's trying to set something up.
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It feels like um it it it's just a Superman story.
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And and yeah, there's characters in there, but it's not we're not building to a universe.
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This is they're they're just there.
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It makes sense for the plot.
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And and so that's Why I think Clayface kind of works so well, too, is that we're not trying to build up to a new universe.
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We're we're this is somebody's passion project, and you can feel that, and that's what makes this movie enjoyable.
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Yeah.
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Is is this is DC doing its own thing, and and I love DC for each movie has a like a different genre.
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Like Superman was your super your superhero movie.
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Yeah.
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Um and then Clayface is your horror movie.
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Yeah.
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Lanterns is your detective story.
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Um creature commandos is an animated, like every project has been different.
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Yeah, I love that.
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I think that's really good, especially with Clayface being a body horror and a horror movie.
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I mean, there were some parts that got me.
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I mean there's there's some moments um like I love what I love is I love that they do this with first of all, there's this scene that's like this is when start shit starts getting weird.
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Yeah.
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It's um Caitlin is like, you know, hey, I'm gonna supervise you for the night.
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I'm gonna I wanna be by your bed while you sleep, and I'm gonna supervise you with a video.
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Okay, so hold that, hold that because that's my ugly.
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Oh, okay.
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That's my ugly.
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Okay.
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Okay, okay, I'll wait, I'll wait then.
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I'll wait.
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Okay, so my I'll I'll get to my bad real quick.
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Yeah, get to your bad screen.
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So my bad is it is simply just that it moves so fast.
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It does move fast, yeah.
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And that is my biggest complaint because you're immediately thrown in and it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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Yeah.
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Which not necessarily a bad thing, but that's that's my biggest complaint.
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Yeah.
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Uh and my um, and if that's my biggest complaint, then that's a pretty good movie.
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That's not that's not a bad, that's not a bad, no, yeah.
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Like, um, but my ugly, yeah, I have two, and we're one is the what you were talking about.
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Yeah, but my ugly is simply that the monster.
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Yeah.
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Uh the monster just looks so good.
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It's what I wanted for a clay face, because I love that the monster is half of his face, yeah, and the rest just the monster.
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Yeah, and it's like it's like his face just kind of drags out into the because it doesn't look like I was worried that it was just gonna look like exact copy of because again, uh, something in movies that like um we were talking about Five Nights at Freddy's before we started recording.
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Um, something that I don't like about those movies, this is one of my just and this kind of relates to that, is that and this might be a hot take, but the animatronics look too good, they look too accurate to the video game.
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And I think that your movie adaptation should have differences from whatever the original source material was.
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It should it should be able to stand on its own.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to look at Clayface in the Clayface movie and go, that looks exactly beat for beat like the the 90s cartoon, right?
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I want like I I wanted it to look different, and it did.
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The the half Hagen and like his mouth kind of stretches off, and you can see you can see this the you know this cartoon Batman in there, right?
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But it still stands on its own.
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So I love that.
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I love the di like the similar but different, right?
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And I think that's what characters should have rather than like it looks exactly like the book, it looks beat for beat like the book.
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Like it shouldn't, it should it should stand on its own.
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Right.
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So my but talk about your ugly.
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I'm I'm ready to talk about this scene.
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So there's a scene where she stays the night to monitor him because she's worried about his she's like, your transformations are not controlled.
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Yes.
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Uh they're just like what she she doesn't use the word impulses, but it's like um desires, like innate desire.
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It's it's it's something inside like he can't control it basically.
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He starts because it it comes about whenever he's on the plane, right?
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He sees he finds out that his like lawyer was also a part of the crime.
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He was a part of one of the the main mafia guys, roadies.
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So he was he felt betrayed, and that's when his eyes started to close together.
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And uh when he's telling that story to her, because she says, I want you to tell me about this thing that's bothering you, and he does, and he's he his face changes to look like the guy, the mafia guy.
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And so that's where it starts.
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Just for just for kind of background, just in case.
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So um yeah, so he's sleeping and she's filming him.
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And um he starts to he changes into um he changes into one of the mafia guys first.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then he changes into her.
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Yes.
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And basically, like I don't know how to put that.
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Like he touches himself kind of.
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He kind of touches himself.
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Yeah, like he's but he's feeling himself.
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That's a that's a better word.
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Feeling I mean that's what he's doing.
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Yeah, like he rolls over and like kind of like implied that they're like making out or whatever.
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Well, it's his hands, his his hands are his hands, but his body is her, yeah, and he's like holding her.
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Yeah, it's almost like this is his like he's just he's meeting that sensation because you can tell he likes her, yeah.
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But she's married, so she can't.
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She's engaged.
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She's engaged, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, but yeah.
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And then um, so but like a whole body, and then he just turns around and it's the um the like the banker guy's face.
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Yeah.
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And that's like it's super, it's a it's a freaky scare because he's smiling.
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Uh and and that's that's my ugly uh another one of my ugliest, it's just like it's so well done, like the transformations.
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And very well done.
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Um the the fight when he's in the club.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like it's just it's just him constantly changing and moving.
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Like where they they punch his face and hit half the city.
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And his and his whole face like caves in.
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Yeah.
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Or or or the scene um they head he headbutts him.
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Yeah.
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:20.160
And like his face gets sucked in, and then he takes the bottle and just stabs the guy in the neck.
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:22.640
It's like, oh my gosh.
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:40.160
Well, and then there's one, there's one part, um, this was freaky because we um we both went, ooh, because he he changes into this um this woman who's on the dance floor, and he's and sh and him, him as her is climbing up the stairs, and he smiles at somebody, but the smile is way too big.
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.720
It's like going around the face, and it's just like, ooh, it's it's it's so clayface.
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.079
Like those are some those are like wow.
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:54.480
I mean, I'm I like you you almost want to I guess that's a bad, but it's it's a good at the same time.
00:27:54.640 --> 00:28:01.039
Like you almost want to see the monster clayface with the giant like axe hand, and he's like swinging her around.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.319
Like you want to see that, yeah, but he's not there yet.
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:04.640
Yeah.
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.039
And like that's it's a good and a bad at the same time.
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.839
Like, give me it.
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.480
I want to see it.
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:09.759
I think that's the thing.
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:15.599
I think that's like it is a good and a bad is that you are anticipating this like big transformation.
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.799
You know it's coming, and then you're just like, come on, come on, come on.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:26.799
And it's just every step is just an a bare, like it's just slowly like it's it's edging you to get you to to this big transformation.
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.200
And then, you know, again, a bad for me is that when it finally happens, it's very quick.
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:48.480
It is very quick, it's very quick, and it's just like, you know, because the way it happens is um jumping to the climax of the film is that um uh Caitlin comes home and her uh fiance is sitting there and he's like, you know, you've been he he's he's insinuating he wants a divorce.
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.799
Or or that they separate because they're not married yet.
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.039
But she's over here, like, well, no, it is it's Matt Hagen, he's transforming his face.
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.319
I need you to listen to me.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.200
I looked at the files and he's like, Okay, well, show me what you're talking about.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:02.799
I don't believe you, but show me.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:08.640
And she goes into the offices that's behind him, and her fiance's in the floor dead.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:08.880
Yeah.
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:16.079
So her fiance standing there uh is Matt Hagen, which again, there's multiple points in the movie where I kept asking, like, is that the real guy or is that Matt?
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.039
Because I started not knowing who that's a good thing.
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.880
It's very well done, yeah.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.160
And um, and he's like, I can be whoever you want me to be.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:31.599
And it's it's crazy because you can see him as the fiance through the window, but the second he crosses that like wood part of the door, he's back to being Matt Hagen.
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:37.440
What I love about that is that the the door is like wavy, so it's it's like the wavy glistening glass.
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:43.279
So it it it really kind of is like the imagery there is like it's not him.
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:49.839
Um but yeah, sorry, no, but um, but but he's like, I can be whoever you want me to be, like we can be together.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.240
I love you.
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.400
And she's like, How am I supposed to be with you?
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.599
You you killed my fiance.
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.839
Like, I'm doesn't make that doesn't make me, you know, which is a super realistic reaction.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.920
And um she nabs her fiance's taser because he's a police officer.
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:12.799
Yeah, so she nabs his taser, and um when he goes in to like hug and kiss her, he tases her because it's an electric shock that compresses the nanites and causes them to overreact.
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:17.599
It's a little shock that gets him really excited, is what she says, excited and activated.
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:31.039
So he shocks him for a good few seconds and he and pushes him out the window, and she goes downstairs and she has her iPad, and she you she there is a failsafe that she can turn these nanites off, but where there's so many inside of him, it would kill him.
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.279
Right, it's at the point where it would kill him.
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:55.759
And you see him like zapping, he's like being electrocuted, he's like, please just kill me, and he gets bigger and bigger, and then this is when you start to see him because we don't get a full reveal here, we just get just the little one, and he like you start to see him, and then as you start to see him, she pushes the the execute button, and then he just and just flops on the ground and and goes into the sewer.
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.480
Um which was so just it's just so oh it's so good.
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:06.000
Yeah, because I'm curious what would have happened if he'd have just fully transformed, if he'd uh, you know, because there again there's no telling at that point.
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.000
He could have killed her, he could have killed her.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:22.880
Um, but there's also that scene in the alleyway where he uh well so she uh earlier in the movie, you find out that the mafia is trying to find her and her fiance because they they know the fiance who's the detective knows what's going on.
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.160
He knows that there was this huge fake, like the the the jurors at the trial were paid off.
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.440
So Matt Hagen, you know, was he served an unfair trial and all these things.
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:42.720
And Caitlin is walking home, and one of these mafia guys is following her, and you know, you're like, oh, Clayface is gonna show up and beat the tar out of this guy.
00:31:42.960 --> 00:32:01.359
And he the the mafia guy catches up to Caitlin and spins her against uh like a metal beam, and he's like, I you know, like I'm sorry, like there's nothing personal, and her face changes to Matt's because it was Matt the whole time, and then he kills him, and then he makes the big freaking ball spike hand and just boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:16.000
Oh you know, it's so good because it's like the movie had a$40 million budget, which like dude, if I had$40 million, like I'd be set for life, but like uh the m m in movie making terms, correct me if I'm wrong,$40 million is really not that much.
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.200
And they did they use that budget perfectly, they did use it very well.
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:30.000
Um and but yeah, uh I'm just there's so many transformation scenes or moments where he's just using something.
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.039
I mean the airplane scene the air now I do have to admit the airplane scene was definitely hyped up a lot on the city.
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:36.960
It was it was overhyped for sure.
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.720
Um there were there were better scenes that um displayed the body horror more than that scene.
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.319
But watching that in the trailer, like, oh my gosh, that's yeah, gonna be rough.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.920
And it is kind of rough in the movie.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.400
Yeah.
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.519
Um, but it's just not as bad as everybody was making it out to be.
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:54.160
Right, right.
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.759
Which which again, I'm glad I'm glad DC didn't show a lot in the trailer.
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:58.079
Yes.
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.039
Because there was a lot in the movie that I hadn't seen.
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.519
There was a lot in this movie that they kept hidden.
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.960
Um I love that bathroom, the bathtub shot.
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.480
Um when he like after he goes, he kissed so he starts going and killing all of his friends.
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.079
Which we've got to talk about that.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:12.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.319
You don't you take I've talked a lot, you take it this way.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:14.880
No, no, no.
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.440
Uh so I he first off, the first person he kills is like the lawyer guy.
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:19.920
Yeah.
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:29.440
And um he kind of kills him because he pushes him down on the desk and he his thumb is kind of in his mouth, and it ends up like draining basically down his throat.
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.000
Yeah, and he rips out his throat.
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:32.559
Yeah.
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.960
Um, and that I was like, oh dang.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.559
Yeah, that's okay.
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:36.960
Yeah.
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.440
Uh and then he transforms into that guy, whatever.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:47.119
And then he finds out that his best friend, Corey, um, basically sold him out in order to get a role.
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.880
And they kind of play it off good.
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:54.079
And at at for a moment, I was really like, okay, like Corey didn't sell him out, he's good.
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.400
Yeah.
00:33:54.640 --> 00:34:06.000
And then when he sees like the script uh and that him and the the mob boss uh Zabbo, uh his his girl uh was on there, um, then he realizes yeah, you did sell me out.
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:06.400
Yeah.
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:12.639
And he kills him by hugging him and like and pushing his head into his stomach and suffocating him.
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:13.039
Yeah.
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:22.880
Oh um, but you and again, you feel for him, not that you would ever kill your best friend, but like you feel for him because like you he says you broke my heart.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.440
Yeah.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.039
And uh so that sucks.
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:36.320
Um who else does he uh and then he goes into the club, yeah, and this is one of the things, uh, another ugly that I'd like to talk about is um just he he that whole scene was so good, like you're on the edge of your seat the whole time.
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:43.280
Um and he switches up people um to for a moment at the end.
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.559
But what really I want to talk about is when he kills Zabo.
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:55.119
Oh my gosh, and he he cuts himself where Zabo cut him to begin with, yeah, and all that blood just pours out on his face.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.679
Yeah, and uh he's like you feel that pressure behind your eyes, yeah.
00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:07.039
And like the the the thing about this movie is like when he cuts himself, the blood and everything wants to come back to his body.
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:15.679
Yeah, it will like because there's a scene where he cuts himself in front of the mirror and the blood in the sink like flies back up into his face, yeah.
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:26.320
And um, so he all this blood is all over Zappa's face, and um he's like that pressure behind your eyes, that's my blood wanting to come back to me.
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.239
That's my revenge.
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:37.599
And the the scene of just Clayface's blood coming out of this guy's face is just like oh my god.
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.960
Oh, it's it's it's hard to look at every once in a while.
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.880
Um he kills his girlfriend in a very he he what does he do?
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.599
He like Oh, because she um uh she she bites him to try to get him off.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:59.519
She bites his arm and the the clay that comes off in that bite starts to go down her throat and up her airway and it blocks her nose holes, it blocks her mouth so she can't breathe and she suffocates.
00:35:59.599 --> 00:35:59.679
Yeah.
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.880
Which suffocation is pretty much the the killing clay face blow.
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.079
Right, right, right.
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.440
Um yeah, it is so good.
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:16.639
I I I love I I I love that he's an actor because he really does, like every time he takes the form of somebody, yeah, he really tries to be them.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.920
Yeah, he you yeah.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.719
Um there are a lot of like there are a lot of familiar puns that you'll hear.
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.920
So you'll hear like the like um oh what is it?
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.639
Uh there was a movie called One Bad Day that won an award.
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.159
You hear that you hear that several times.
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.639
You hear that, that, that, and it was like a when someone says, Yeah, one bad movie.
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:34.960
Yeah.
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:46.159
But then there is uh there's a few there's another pun of like um like I'm just staying in character, or there's there's a lot of actor punts that are well used.
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:47.840
Nothing seems like, oh come on.
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.159
Right.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:52.880
There's I don't I don't I don't I didn't find any moments there I thought thought that something was overdone or over said.
00:36:53.360 --> 00:37:01.280
I think the the one bad day that's a callback to a line that Joker has to Batman at one point where he's like um you're gonna be like all it takes is one bad day.
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:01.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.760
And um that's really emphasized here is that he had a bad day, and that's what led him down this path.
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:08.239
Yeah.
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:18.719
And um but yeah, no, I did have I do have to mention because there's a scene because the movie takes place in Gotham and Gotham looks great, like it looks like what I want from Gotham.
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.400
Yeah, I still haven't watched The Batman, but um yeah, yeah, I know.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.360
I I I'm gonna I want to, I just don't want to wait forever to watch it.
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:25.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:37.760
Um, but um no, uh there's a scene where you see it says like Gotham City Police Department, and it's just kind of a quiet moment, and I kind of looked over it here and I said, the most useless police department ever.
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:44.960
Yeah, and literally like the the the head of the department is like eating a donut and has like this gold watch because it's clearly he's been paid off, you know.
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.760
Right.
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:46.960
Um yeah.
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:53.360
I I'm trying to think if there's any other like amazing um I I think I want to talk about the end.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.000
That final scene.
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:54.639
Okay, that's fine.
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.719
That scene was phenomenal that was a very great reveal.
00:37:58.880 --> 00:37:59.039
Yeah.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.719
So we get um, you know, it's believed that you know he goes into the sewers and he's dead.
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.760
She doesn't think he's alive, and that's just kind of it.
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.320
Um I think they start to come to like take her stuff, and they I think what was the the what what was going on with her and her?
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.079
It was like, I think are the police involved?
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:24.159
So the police are there and they're the police are there um and they're kind of just uh saying like okay, we just want to make sure your story's right.
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.599
Um there's no way that he could come back from that.
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.519
And she's like, as far as I know, no.
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.079
Yeah.
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.719
And uh so she kind of loads up all the stuff.
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.679
They the police load up all of her equipment and obviously they're sending it off for evidence.
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.920
Um, but they're like, You're the only person who can corroborate this story, so there's nothing really we can do.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:55.840
Yeah, of course, Gotham PD, why why we Yeah, but um, and then she kind of is like walking around Gotham, she sees a newspaper that says uh Matt Hagen, uh movie star missing, presumed dead.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.599
Yeah, and so she buys it.
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.920
Maybe she's just wanting to look at it.
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.000
Uh she's she what that's really good.
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.159
This scene is she's like looking around, yeah, trying like, is that Matt?
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:06.639
Is that Matt?
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.159
Yeah, because it's like at this point, if he is alive, he could be anybody.
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:11.119
Yeah.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:21.440
And um this really actually uh just jumping ahead real quick, this really makes me want to go back and revisit creature commandos because Clayface has a pretty important role in creature commandos.
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:21.920
Okay.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.519
Um, but anyways, uh, but there's a homeless man who comes up and uh he's like, spare a dollar.
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.960
I'll let you get to the scene.
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.519
I'm just trying to do it.
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:30.639
No, no, no, no, please no Bill.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:31.840
Yeah, no, please.
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.320
And uh she's she said, sure.
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.480
So she gives him a dollar and he bows.
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.800
He bows, which is what Matt Hagen did the first time that he left the room when he was with her.
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:41.599
Yes.
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.800
And uh he goes on and and walks off, and you take it from him.
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:57.119
Well, we've we follow Matt Hagen, and he's you know, he's the or we've we follow this homeless guy, and he's going uh down into this like almost this sewer tunnel where all these other homeless people have convened.
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:58.880
And and Gotham it looks nasty.
00:39:58.960 --> 00:39:59.840
It's it looks nasty.
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.119
They captured it pretty well.
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.519
And he kind of walks through this area, opens a door to like a maintenance room, and goes into this maintenance room.
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:16.000
And in the maintenance room, there's like a little landing with some stairs going up in a mirror, or like a really dirty like piece of something reflective mirror, right?
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:27.519
And he's sitting there looking, the the old man is looking at himself in the mirror, and then you see her uh you see Caitlin behind him, and he's like, I knew you, I knew I would find you.
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.920
And he turns around and it's Matt Hagen again.
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:38.480
Yeah, and he's like, you know, I saw you in the paper, and they were they're talking back and forth, and he's like, you know, I you know, you're you you played the role of a lifetime.
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.400
Yeah, because she's reading the review of the next year.
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.440
You know, role of a lifetime and this, that, and the other, which is a callback to Arkham City.
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:53.599
I mean, I'm sure it's something else, but I remember in Arkham City, he says, like, Big Joker was the role of a lifetime.
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.159
And then you fight Clayface and freeze him and beat him.
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:05.280
Um, but um, he he's holding her and he's you know, she's like, I love you, and you know, you don't ever have to worry about leaving me and uh uh or losing me.
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.519
And he's like, I I don't know what I'd do without you.
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:30.719
And you know, again, like you said earlier, the camera pulls back, and we see the both of their legs are like mashed together in one big clay structure, and their bodies contort until you see just Clayface standing there, and he kind of turns around, and that's when we get the official full reveal of him, and he screams up into the sky and it slowly turns into a roar, and that's the end of the film.
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.519
Um, one of the best things like that's one of the best reveals of the of the movie.
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.599
It's like, wow, there he is, there's clayface.
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.800
That's how clayface is created.
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:46.559
And again, I think if DC doesn't do anything with Clayface, I think it is a missed opportunity because again, I really like this.
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.119
I like the way they built him, I like the story, I like you feel for him to an extent.
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:56.960
And I think if you introduce Batman and you have them fight, you're gonna feel for both characters.
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:04.079
Yeah, you know, that that was my argument with Jokers because people were like, oh, well, we can't have Batman fight Arthur because Arthur is, you know, has mental health issues.
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.159
And I'm like, but that's why That's Batman.
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:07.199
That's Batman.
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.119
Mentally ill and homeless people.
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.559
I was literally thinking with all the homeless people in Gotham.
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.079
Like, when we do get Batman, it's gonna be the most accurate Batman ever.
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.760
You could use your money to help these people, but no, I'm just gonna break their bones.
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.800
I'm gonna break their bones.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:37.280
Well, and and but again, the thing is, it's like you feel you you it it makes it hard to choose who you want to win because it's like I feel for Matt Hagen, but at the same time, like he's a bad guy.
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:37.679
Yeah.
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.960
Um, but the end of the movie, just like you see him, you see what he has finally become.
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:50.239
He he's he's playing into this character thing himself, which we get another scene way earlier in the movie where he's talking to himself in the mirror.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:58.400
Yes, and he's changing back and forth between this, between himself and um this like almost a character like Murray in Joker.
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.079
It's like a like a new show or like a talk show host, like a Jimmy Fallon, yeah, yeah.
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.199
And they're they're kind of talking back and forth, and he's like, This is who you are, this is who you need to be.
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And like that's what the the Jimmy Fallon-esque character is saying to him.
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And um, but oh, and then there's another scene we didn't talk about.
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Um Well, there's a line there, okay.
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There's a line there that they've made they mentioned twice at that point, right?
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.599
And he says, There's a lot of Matt Hagens in there.
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Which one's the real one?
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Yeah, and he punches the glass, and and in the fracture, you can see different, like it's almost like different faces in one conglomerate, which is so well like good job.
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.920
Like you're you you hit the nail on the head, man.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.960
Like I've I think this is the perfect clay clayface adaptation.
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Yeah, I think so.
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:48.400
Um, would you want to talk about the scene where uh Caitlin goes to visit him and he's like this like monster in his bedroom?
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:48.960
Yeah.
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Do you remember that scene?
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.719
I I I I feel like I didn't know.
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So she she goes to see him.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.039
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.000
I know what you're talking about.
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Yes.
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Okay.
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.000
I was like, what are you talking about?
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:59.760
And then he he had watched he
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he sees uh before she comes by she he's watching the TV and he sees that she uh that that Corey's friend had his f best friend had died and he got away with it because you know they didn't know it was him and um and I want you to I want you to take this because this was a freaky sound yeah so at first like you on the TV you see like this is Matt Hagen and his friend Corey uh at a charity event last year and his skin starts to change at first it looks like tattoos yeah but it's it's the shirt that Matt is wearing on the TV.
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Yeah he's formed his body to have to look like the shirt which was like a theater shirt.
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And he rips off the sh a piece of the shirt that's supposed to be fabric.
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You see like blood yeah in the inside and I thought that's that's yeah freaky but um so Caitlin shows up to the house she knocks um the door is kind of open so she kind of comes in she's like Matt I've been calling you Matt and uh it's oh it's almost like a little bit of a jump scare it's not like a big like jump scare but it's like a mini it's like you're expecting one yeah and and his face like that's the first really form of the monster we see because his mouth is kind of like open a little bit his he has no hair um his eyes are kind of sagging he looks like a skeleton almost to an extent yeah he he he's basically clay face at the fully clayface at that point without being the big monster clayface like he would just be like what you would imagine just a normal humanoid looking figure made out of clay would look like but he almost yeah a skeleton a zombie kind of thing like he just does just kind of grotesque yeah and uh yeah take it away well and that's when that's when they kind of discover that he has feelings for her because she she touches him and she holds him like she touches his shoulder and then she like holds his hand and then he kind of like breathes for a minute and calms down and once he kind of clears his head he slowly looks back to like Matt Hagan again.
00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:01.760
And um it just it's it's it's horrific because like I was really scared that scene scared me because I was waiting for a jump scare.
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:03.440
Yeah but there there never was one.
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:03.840
Right.
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Um but you you see her kind of turn the corner and just to the side of that door is that face which it looks like a mask it looks like a skeleton mask yeah at first and it it just it's so freaky but um there is one scene I want to talk about real quick.
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Oh yeah yeah it's when her her fiance comes to the door after Matt has killed everybody in the club yeah he comes in and and first off um Matt is in the bathtub that's that that scene that scene where he wipes it yeah uh and his her fiance comes to the door and um he is he's transformed into bat back to Matt now and he's starting to ask him questions he's like hey hey I just want to let you know that like Zabbo's dead his girlfriend's dead um everybody who's ever crossed you is dead yeah and he's like hey listen man I gotta be honest with you I don't feel anything like I I'm not sad about that yeah and he's like okay and like you know Corey's dead and somebody else is dead and he's like well um as far as I know the the guy had connections to the mafia but uh Corey's like yeah that breaks my heart but he betrayed me uh and so then they start talking about Caitlin because at this point in the film um Caitlin and Matt clearly have something like they have a little chemistry like he she's able to calm him down and bring him back and and just there's a tension there between Matt and her uh fiance that it feels like Clayface has already killed this full club full of people he could kill him right now he could and he does kill him later but um in the moment he's like is he gonna kill him right now yeah and it's like dude if you hadn't left that that room that apartment room door open you would probably be dead right now well because when he's in the bathtub I I I really want to think about this more okay because he's laying in that bathtub before like he the the fiance is knocking on the door and he's laying in the bathtub and his like his it's almost like this is the only moment he can relax all the the the nanites or whatever because he's just laying in the bathtub and it's like his skin is just sagging.
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He doesn't have eyes his his mouth is just kind of like drooping and it's just like a little like it's just a flat line of a of a mouth because he's just it's almost like he's just laying here and resting and the only way he can truly because when he's laying in bed sleeping he's not having nightmares and he's changing constantly right this is like the only time he can actually just rest and just let his body relax um which again this is the first time he's actually rested after all of these people who crossed him have been dead.
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Right.
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So maybe this is just like he just wants to rest in the bathtub naked where nothing can he can just just kind of like almost like spa day and just let the clay dangle you know what I mean but like um that's the words isn't it but but he he but like as soon as that door gets knocked on you know he wipes that face and and it and it kind of all fits back in.
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:05.679
So I wonder you know like is because I know in the show it's kind of like he has to work to hold himself together to look like a person.
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And I wonder if that's what it's becoming where it's just like he's getting to the point where it's just like it's becoming hard to hold himself together.
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You know and that would play into a theory I'm gonna spoil a little bit of creature commandos here for you.
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Clayface is one basically the main villain in the in the show and um there's a scene where he's basically in somebody's house and he's just like eating their food and like watching TV and stuff.
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Yeah and he's the full clay monster and and clayface James Gunn has confirmed this takes place a year before creature commandos and Superman so this is the prequel this is the origin story before we get there.
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And he's the big monster and he's just relaxing like playing video games and eating uh so that very well could be that he's the monster and that is his most relaxed form.
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.920
Um instead of trying to put on a face right whatever that might be.
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:02.800
Yeah um so yeah that could absolutely play into that theory but um I could see that he because he really is kind of just relaxing.
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I was trying to look at like his whole body composition to see like if he's like melting he was did you look at his feet?
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Yeah his feet it was kind of just like it was almost like the clay was just kind of like spreading at the bottom like if you if you have a ball of slime and you lay it on a table it will just kind of slowly flatten out is kind of what it reminded me of.
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Yeah um now I will say that the airplane scene going back to that real quick um I'm actually going to be getting on a plane in a few weeks.
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Hopefully you don't have any nanites in your body well well Paul I've got something to tell you um but I'm that's all I'm gonna be thinking about when I'm on the plane now is like if there's turbulence I'm like I can't go in the bathroom.
00:50:41.119 --> 00:51:08.000
Well also there's there has never been I've I've been on a flight I've been on like three or four flights total now um there's never been turbulence that bad okay like I don't be freaked out because I'm not freaked out because I was like dang of course what are they going through a freaking tornado right now it's like it's like and oh that was a very stressful scene well I'm I'm not worried about flying because uh as Superman has mentioned twice on screen statistically speaking flying still is the safest way to travel.
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:17.360
That's true but anyway I I don't know I I can't think of anything else I want to say for this movie.
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I'll give I'll give it I'll give it another bad thing.
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:19.599
Okay.
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I don't like the title uh the title like the tagline the well no no no no no like um when the movie starts and it has like the title screen it's like literally it just says clay face in the bottom left corner and it like fades in and fades out.
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:50.400
It's quick but I would I was kind of hoping for something a little bit more like exciting okay I've got I've got mixed feelings on this okay okay um as the title screen I've got no problem with it uh I've got no problem with it just kind of being small because if you bought a ticket to this movie you know what you're getting into.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.400
Yeah you you know you're you're on a clay face.
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Right.
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So uh I've got no problem with the title screen.
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However the in title screen uh the the final time you see the clay face it literally it's just clay face in big bold letters yeah um I would have liked something more clay related like the like the in the trailer the title in the trailer yeah like the title just like forms up or something yeah clay face yeah I would have liked something more there but uh it's not it's very it's nitpicky like right now we're nitpicking yeah because I because uh that's honestly the only critiques we can really give because there's it's very good film.
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:57.440
It is it it tells the origin story it makes you invested in the characters you're you're being moved along you see their motivations and what leads them to being who they become um and again like you can't really it i you have to come up with excuses for things that you you wanted in the movie in order for it to be a bad movie yeah um and that's that's a debate we could have but like it's not worth it really yeah well and even going in like the only thing I wanted was them to I wanted to be surprised.
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.199
Yeah because I'm I'm so tired of movies showing everything in the trailer.
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Right.
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And then because again I had watched the first two trailers and then I tried to not watch any more because I was like I don't want to see I want to go in like I want to see like I don't want them to show because they the only thing that they showed clayface transformation was the the shot from the back.
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.760
Yes where he's like getting bigger and it covers up the camera screen.
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Yeah.
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Um but like I again I was surprised with the look I was surprised with the ending I was surprised with the characters and the development and I can't think of any other crazy like moments that were just shocking but I mean I I think honestly this is like um this has been a good year for movies.
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It has been like we mean we've had what have we had this year?
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We've had Obsession or no we've had Iron Lung was first then we had Obsession then we had Backrooms then we had the Odyssey then we had Spider-Man then we had um if you want to say prime time I thought it kind of sucked but that's just me I got some listen we've got some listeners who might not like that oh really I think I think I'm pretty sure Logan and Austin themselves they they liked it.
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They liked it?
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I think so I could be wrong.
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Logan Austin if you if you guys watched it and you really like or hated it then just like let me know.
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But I'm pretty sure you guys said you liked it.
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I mean it looks good it's a it's a well shot well done film it's just I watch a lot of Chris Hanson I love watching him bust these child predators.
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.880
Yeah so like I just I know what I'm I know what I've been watching forever.
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:40.320
That wasn't him it was kind of you realize how this looks right yeah yeah you see how this looks right very narcissistic very I don't know it was weird it just I um but now we have clayface and I think um what's next is Avengers Avengers Doomsday is the only thing that's next but I'm very surprised with this movie.
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I hope DC does more I hope they you know I hope we get more clay face I hope we get a figure I hope we get like I want more merchandise.
00:54:48.320 --> 00:55:04.079
You did buy the cup today I did buy the cup they had so uh I didn't realize my theater was going to have this but they had um there's one cup and one popcorn bucket the popcorn bucket is just like a tin pretty much with a clay hand coming out of the popcorn you know like to hold your hand while you're scared for watching the movie.
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And then there was this freaky silicone cup of his face like all smushed.
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It's almost like I had a cup and dropped it and he's like oh my friend didn't I but I did buy the cup because the cup did look cool and I want to add it to my collection of uh popcorn stuff.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:27.039
So okay so from here I I want to ask you okay what are your thoughts on the future of the DCU now that you've seen this movie?
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Because there's as of right now there are rumors that the next movie that because if this movie does well they want to do more villain based movies.
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Deathstroke versus Bane is confirmed to be in the works and a poison ivy TV show is in the works or is rumored to be in the works.
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So I want to know your opinions on the future of the DCU villains wise and movies wise just any movie.
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I so I want to see more villains that we haven't seen.
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Okay.
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We've seen the Joker we've seen scarecrow I wouldn't mind saying scarecrow again we've seen Bane we've seen like I mean you know we've seen two face like I'm I want to see you know we've seen the ping one Riddler and the Riddler and we've seen Mr Freeze like Mr Freeze I was about to say but I I really want to see villains that we haven't seen Clayface is a villain I've I've wanted to see and this movie it it started to scratch the itch but it didn't fully scratch it.
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:40.559
So I'm hoping um as we've said is that I really hope that if they do another Batman movie they kind of use this because we know who this is now you know we know this character we've this this movie allowed us to fully invest ourselves in who this character is.
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:40.880
Right.
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And now I want to see more.
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You know that's always been my argument with like if they ever introduced Venom in the MCU is to do it slowly.
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Right.
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You know like introduce Venom at the end of a movie and then have him be the main villain in the next I think that's what this should do.
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:01.440
You know like we introduce Matt Hagen we show that he's this thing and next thing you know we're gonna see him being more influential or evil or whatever.
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Right, right.
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Right.
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So I I would like that to happen.
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That would be what I would wish for um because again I don't know what they're gonna do with Batman the Brave and the bold I know that plans have changed a little bit yeah they've they've gone through a couple creative differences so they're they're still working on it but this has not been revealed yet.
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But um I mean a a death stroke in Bane versus Bane does that happen in the comics not that I know of um I okay so uh continue giving your thoughts and then I'll give mine I I I think I think that as a concept is kind of don't do don't I don't know how to word this don't make things like Clayface.
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They didn't make clay face because they were like you know what we're just gonna make a clayface movie because we can make money and blah blah blah because you know that's what Sony did with Venom right they made a clayface movie because somebody wanted to tell that story they wrote it it made sense it works boom there's your movie right there there's passion in it keep these movies passion based allow them to be made with passion and and there's nothing wrong with connecting your films there's nothing wrong with well hey we have this great villain let's do something with him let's have him be in the Batman movie or let's have you know whatever I just I'm afraid that we won't see clayface again.
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That's kind of my my fear okay is because I don't want to like oh we have this amazing villain we saw what he looked like for you know two two shots real fast and whatever and now we're not gonna see him again.
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:34.719
That's my worry right um a Deathstroke and Bane movie eh I I mean eh I could care less really I I want to see more Batman stuff and I want to see villains we haven't seen.
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:35.760
I want to see Man Bat.
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I'd love to see Man Bat in a film.
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Hugo Strange is one we've never seen I would like to see Hugo Strange.
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I would like to see I mean I mean a poison ivy a poison ivy show could work is a live action yeah I mean it could work but I think we should I think they should stay away from TV shows or release them very very frequently because that's what Marvel did and it kind of got too out of hand.
00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:12.800
Like spaced out not frequently yeah sorry yeah I think they should release them very spaced because you know we've had lanterns is the only creature commandos and lanterns and you know I just it's villain movies are popular when they're done right just like any movie.
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And again this had passion this had this had purpose and this can go somewhere further but don't be making movies just because you know like you know again you can't have Bane without Batman so don't like or I don't think you can you could you could but Bane's most compelling aspect is that he fights Batman that he's the this surprise villain to Batman's life that takes over I don't know I think again I want to see more of what we got um but for my first official DC film that James Gunn has been kind of head of really good movie.
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I really digged it definitely if it's not better than Joker it's pretty close.
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Okay.
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Alright so I'll give my opinions now uh on like the future of the DCU villain movies stuff like that um and that is I I I don't really care about a Deathstroke and Bane movie but convince me I agree with that convince me convince me uh and if you can convince me I'll watch it um Poison Ivy I don't think we really need a Poison Ivy show I'd rather had a different character have a show but again convince me every poison ivy action figure comes complete with him I'll never forget that dude it stays in my head all the time I but okay here's my worry with the DCU okay okay I loved loved loved Superman I'm super excited for man of tomorrow next year um I'm so worried that we won't get Superman again for a while um but let's see other villains outside of just Batman uh I would be okay with other villains other villains uh that that aren't just Batman villains oh okay sorry sorry sorry I was like Batman's not a villain no no no he is in my book I hate Batman um but like let's see I don't know I I know we are getting like Mr.
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Miracle uh we're getting him so we'll probably get dark side soon um I don't know like Lex the Nicholas Holt did such a good job with Lex I wouldn't mind a Lex series honestly I don't know how you would do Lex without Superman but um you'd kind of really need that because Lex's whole thing is that he hates Superman yeah um but there's other characters I mean you could really explore and you could do something good out there.
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Sinestro he was really built up well in lanterns I think and I think uh you could do a really great animated series with how Jordan's first mission where he has to fight Sinestro you could do something great with that.
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:53.119
Um so but but that's my thing too is give us passionate projects that's what separates you from Marvel because Marvel is now I hate to say it but Marvel now is basically slot.
01:01:53.199 --> 01:02:05.599
It's yeah it's the it's the industry train we have to we have to pump out another movie and another movie and another series and another movie and it's all gonna be connected and it's all gonna lead to this big thing and you've all you've really got to care.
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.760
But I don't you when you do that I stop caring.
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:21.519
I stopped caring yeah um as you're a consumer but because you care I'll watch it right uh so that's my that's my point I I just I really like what James Gunn has done so far.
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I've not watched Supergirl so I don't know uh this movie makes me want to go rewatch creature commandos which I really like my wife Gabriella she loved creature commandos um maybe I'm talking a lot about Superman because I've seen it uh I watched it five times in the theaters and uh I loved I loved I need to watch it still I still haven't seen it and I've probably watched it five more times since it comes to streaming in fact I was watching it last night um so Gabriella's like she she literally said are you seriously watching that again I'm like I love this movie it's so good um that's where you've always been wrong anyways um but but no I I I that's that's my hope is just keep working on passionate projects and you'll get people like you who's not a big DC fan to care about your project and that's what we need as DC fans.
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Well and I and I also I'll argue this too is I think it's important for all of these films and these stories like there's nothing wrong with them existing in the same universe.
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:19.679
Right.
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:25.840
Right there's nothing wrong with you know Bruce Wayne picking up a newspaper talking about something that happened in Metropolis.
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:41.360
Yeah but I think it's important to also keep this in mind with the cons with the with the constant state of superhero movies and you know there's superhero fatigue I think I think there is superhero fatigue but I also think there isn't there's a there's a middle ground with I think there's superhero fatigue with bad superhero stories.
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.960
Yes but I also think that there's fatigue with oh I have to watch this.
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:45.280
Yes.
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:54.960
Because being a comic book fan right forever like at least me I can I can't speak for everybody else but I can speak for myself is that I like what I like and I don't like what I don't.
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:55.280
Right.
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:59.440
And there's some times where it's just like you know like sometimes like I'm not a big supergirl fan.
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.280
I've just I'm I don't hate her but I don't like her.
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I've just there's just nothing I don't feel there's nothing that makes me want to jump into that pool.
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:24.880
Sure they could convince me but it's just there's you know like but I'm really glad that like with Clayface which again we're at the beginning of his universe so it hasn't got to that point yet but I hope it doesn't is I hope that they continue to be like well you know what I don't have to watch Superman and uh Supergirl and lanterns to watch Clayface.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:25.119
Right.
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I don't have to watch any of those you know maybe if they do a Batman film that's something I want to bring up but sorry continue.
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I was just saying if they do like a Batman film sure you should watch Clayface to watch the Batman film because Clayface is in the is a villain of that or whatever.
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:47.280
I think that like you should be able to stick with your little area you know like if you like Batman and you just want to watch Batman you can just stick with that.
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:50.480
And then there of course there's always gonna be references to the bigger the bigger picture.
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That's how comic books are anyway.
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Right.
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But like I don't I I hope that it doesn't get to the point where it's like I have to watch 50 movies to prepare for this event movie.
01:04:59.440 --> 01:04:59.599
Right.
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Right?
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Or like I wish I could just watch it and just kind of because that's the way I am with Marvel.
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.280
Like I'm not caught up with Marvel at all.
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:05.599
Yeah.
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And you know like uh people are like have you seen the new vision quest?
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Have you seen this?
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Have you and I'm like I just don't I just don't care.
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:14.639
I just think I watch Spider-Man and I watch Doomsday.
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:24.800
I watch Spider-Man and I watch Doomsday but I'm not eh you know I just don't I don't I don't I'm at the point where I don't care to watch all of these other things to prepare for this movie that I may or may not even like.
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:25.280
Right.
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:32.320
So Clayface was great because I didn't have to prepare anything to watch it I just went in and watched it and I'm excited to see what where it could go.
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.559
I hope they continue with Clayface.
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:43.679
I I mean sure you don't have to make a sequel you could make a sequel but I hope that but you don't need to you don't they don't it doesn't need a sequel but I I want more of this character.
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.719
I want to see more of Clayface whether that's by himself or whether that's fighting Batman I'm down for both.
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:58.000
But I just hope that I guess in my opinion that I can watch and consume DC stuff without having to watch and consume all of it.
01:05:58.239 --> 01:05:59.599
Because you know I'm not a Green Laner guy.
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.960
Been a Green Lantern guy.
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.280
But like I don't want to watch Green Lantern to watch Batman and Clayface fight.
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.000
You know what I mean?
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.880
Well, I think I think what you need to focus on as DC is your characters.
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.840
Focus on your characters and the develop your characters.
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:14.559
That's okay.
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.079
So I'm gonna argue a case for lanterns right now because I like lanterns.
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.840
Um Green Lantern is is uh I like him.
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.480
He's not like top five characters, but I like him.
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:37.360
Um Lanterns, I think, is a lot of Green Lantern fans are upset because you don't see the the light show, you don't see the um you know the spectacle, you don't see the them in space fighting intergalactic threats.
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:45.679
Use it's a very grounded story, but I think lanterns does well because it's it's a character-focused story, not uh spectacle focused.
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:46.239
Right.
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.559
Uh and so that's why I think it does good, and I think that's why Clayface is good.
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.679
It's not focused on the spectacle, it's focused on the characters.
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.079
Yeah, same thing I think with Superman.
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:07.599
It's yeah, there's spectacle, there's heroism, but at the core it's uh it's a question that it's a movie that asks a question, you know, uh, but it's also a movie that's focused on your characters.
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:07.920
Yeah.
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.840
So you you know, continue to do that.
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:19.039
But uh again with Clayface, um, speaking of an intercollect uh interconnected universe, um, they're in Coast City a lot of the times.
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:25.920
And uh so speaking of lanterns, Coast City is the city where Green Lantern is the main hero.
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.239
So they're there, like, but you don't see they don't mention Green Lantern.
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.599
Like if you're a comic fan, you're like, oh, they're in Coast City, that's cool.
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:34.960
And they come back to Gotham.
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.000
You don't see Batman, they don't even make reference to Batman.
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:43.760
I was fully expecting them to be like, hey, yeah, well, we were gonna take care of that, but you know, the bat took care of it or something.
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:44.880
I thought there was a reference like that.
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:45.920
I I didn't catch it.
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:46.480
I thought there was.
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.360
I thought someone said there was something where it's like, oh, the bat guy.
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.360
What are you, the bat guy in Gotham or something like that?
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:59.679
May maybe, but I yeah, if if so, but um but but still the the point's there is like if that if that is in the movie, then it's it's one reference.
01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:06.880
Yeah, and again, that's that's good because it's like it's just it's just a a reminder that hey this is all a big this is a big world, you know.
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:15.440
And and again, reading comics is like if you pick up a Spider-Man comic, they might mention like, oh hey, like man, I'd love to be like Captain America one day.
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.680
Okay, well, I don't that doesn't mean I have to go read Captain America to see what he's doing right now.
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:28.960
I'm I'm reading a Spider-Man story that's focused on the character rather rather than the fact that this belongs in the main Marvel universe.
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:29.600
Right.
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.239
Um, but yeah, I I think DC's doing it well.
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:33.680
I think Clayface is great.
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:36.720
I I think the future of the DCU looks good.
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.399
Um I'd honestly say it was a masterpiece.
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.399
Would you uh we want to give our rating?
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:50.640
Do we want to do our real takes our real takes rating where it's like uh I'm still in this for my other show because you know it's kind of part of my idea too.
01:08:50.720 --> 01:09:01.439
So um what we do is we do like if we're if we're rating, I don't know, if we're rating transformers, we'll say I give this um five matrix of leaderships.
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:09.279
Yeah, I give this I give this ten uh ten ladies man two one sevens out of ten ladies man two one sevens, you know, whatever.
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.840
So uh what would be your rating for the clayface?
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:17.359
Um I'm gonna go with five Matt Hagen scars out of five.
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.680
Five Matt Hagen scars out of five.
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:20.239
Okay, okay.
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:25.039
Um I mean I could on if one we're just rating, I'd say like an A eight and a half out of ten.
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:25.439
Okay.
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:26.800
But but yeah.
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:37.840
I give this um uh I give this a I'm gonna I'm gonna rate it out a out of five too.
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:38.239
Okay.
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.479
Or well, yeah, I'll rate it out of five.
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:48.960
I give this four and a half um well I don't think that's fair.
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:50.800
Well, no, no, I'm gonna give it four and a half.
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.319
I'm gonna give it four and a half.
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.520
Um I guess four and a half would be a better rating for the thing.
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:56.640
What was what what would I do?
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:57.520
Hang on, give me a second.
01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:58.000
Give me a second.
01:09:58.479 --> 01:09:59.119
Explain your rating.
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.880
So so I I again that there's really not anything to complain about.
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:07.199
Um and and I and I always do this with every movie that I watch.
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:11.920
I always initially give it a lower score than what I will give it later.
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:12.159
Yeah.
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.479
And I do that because just in case like later on, I'm like, oh, you know what?
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.079
This actually was a part I didn't like.
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:18.720
I need more time.
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.399
We're we're coming fresh out of the theater.
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:22.319
I mean, we literally it's six o'clock.
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:23.600
We went in at two.
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:24.000
Yeah.
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.399
So like it's it's just been a few hours.
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.439
So like I'm gonna give it an initial lower score.
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:37.359
But if we come back next week when we do our absolute Batman 25 review, if I'm like, hey, I've been thinking about Clayface, and honestly, I'd bump it up to a nine.
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:37.760
Yeah.
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:50.880
Because I need time to continue to digest it, but I'm gonna give it a lower score because I'd rather give it a lower score starting out and then move up rather than give it a higher score, and the longer I think about like I did with Rise of Skywalker.
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:52.079
Like I did with Venom.
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:53.680
Yeah, I walked out and three.
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:54.640
This was a great movie.
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:55.199
I loved it.
01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:01.439
And and and then you revisit it years later and you're like, dang, yeah, I really like this movie, and this sucks.
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:12.159
So I would rather give it a lower score so that way if there's something I think of that I didn't like, um, I can I can bump it down and feel comfortable with my rating, yeah, rather than move it up.
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:17.600
So so I'm giving it four and a half self-sustained relationships out of five.
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:23.520
Because you know, he'd be self he handled in the relationship both sides all by himself.
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:27.119
Um and the only reason I give it a four and a half out of I don't give this a perfect five.
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:34.640
And I'm just the only reason is because um they did somewhat say that like you were gonna get to see Monster Clayface in this.
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.680
And we did, but not to the extent I wanted.
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:45.680
I I and I I hate to I I'm just giving it a little bit of a nunch down on the rating scale, just because it's like I really wanted to see a full scene with Monster Clayface.
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.760
So I actually think I sent you something earlier.
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.039
Let me see if I can find it real quick.
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:49.359
Okay.
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:54.000
Um, but if you want to continue, explain anything else that you're thinking about, real quick, why why I do this.
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.720
Do you want me to continue on that point or um well if your internet Ah, here it is.
01:11:58.800 --> 01:11:59.199
I got a quote.
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:00.159
Okay, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:07.680
So um they the CBFC, um the Central Board of Film Certification, uh gave Clayface an A.
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.399
But only after they made these changes, uh there was nudity cuts.
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:17.840
Five second shot was removed, another 19 seconds of nudity was skipped uh snipped.
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:25.840
Um one scene features um Mia Torres um zoomed in on another character to conceal nudity.
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.520
There was face smashing visuals modified in two places to make it less gruesome.
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:36.720
Uh the word mother uh was volunte was removed.
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:44.720
Uh static anti-alcohol and anti-drug messages were added whenever applicable, and the they gave the movie an A.
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:53.359
Um, so there were some changes that uh and maybe the body the full transformation might have been a little bit um more gore.
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:54.239
Oh man, I'd like it.
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.279
And so they maybe cut that in order to maintain that rating.
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:58.479
Director's cut.
01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:59.840
I want a director's cut right now.
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.640
Give me a director's cut, put all that in there.
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:03.760
I want to see it all.
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.720
I want to see, I want to see the full passion, baby.
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.079
I want to see the full picture.
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:09.119
Director's cut.
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:09.760
I will buy it.
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.199
If you put it out there, I'll buy it.
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:11.680
Anyway.
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.920
Oh, the still the like the the special case for this could be it's just like clay.
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.920
But anyways, I yeah, I I would I four and a half.
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.920
Uh I I give it four and a half.
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:26.880
I just I I would have liked to see, first of all, I would have liked to seen all of whatever all that was.
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:27.279
Yeah.
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:29.600
It it maybe there's a reason for it to be cut.
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:30.079
I don't know.
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:31.439
I wasn't there to see the full cut.
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.960
I mean, if it's just nudity for the sake of nudity, it's most it's most of nudity, you know.
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.079
We got we did get a couple nude scenes which were nice, but um, you know.
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:40.319
You're gonna leave that into the show.
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:41.359
I'm just joking.
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:42.880
It's just a joke, it's just a joke.
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:49.600
Um, but uh I think that um I I wish we could have got a more clay monster.
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:50.479
I wish we could have seen more.
01:13:50.560 --> 01:14:00.880
I wish there could have been, I was hoping that there would be some kind of a fight between uh Caitlin and and Clayface, because at that point I was just like, oh my gosh, he's he's clayfacing out what is about to happen.
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.199
This is about to get bad, and then it just kind of ended.
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.159
So so that's my only that's my only reason for my ranking.
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:15.760
So subjectively speaking, then, is that more of a uh a nitpick, or is that more like I'm actually critiquing the film and and this is my problem?
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:20.079
Because because looking at the film for me, it's like most of my complaints are nitpicks.
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:29.680
The same thing for for um no uh Brand New Day is like everything I have is really just like personal preferences, nitpicks, and not a an actual criticism of the film.
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.359
I would argue that that's a nitpick.
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.039
I think it's just I I want more.
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:39.600
And I hate I I I and I I don't want to rank something lower just because I want more, because that's not that's unfair.
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:39.920
Right.
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:46.319
Um, but again, I th I just wish that we could have gotten more of the of the kind of the the cake, right?
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.960
Like this is the sauce of what we were supposed to get is monster clay face, more of the clay, right?
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:52.800
Yeah, like like bean dip.
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:54.880
Giant monster of bean dip.
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:59.119
I would have liked to get more bean dip out of this, you know, Mexican restaurant of a movie.
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.680
Gabbro's dad really makes some good bean dip.
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.880
I really want to I think I have some bean dip in the closet in there.
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.359
I might have to crack open the bean dip after this.
01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:15.119
But but I I still think that it if if if I don't count that, I'd give it five stars because it's it's really good, really well done.
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:16.960
I do feel for all the characters.
01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:21.279
The story is fast in some places, but it does build when it needs to.
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:27.359
You see the horrors of what he's becoming, and then finally we see the overall monster that he has become.
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.800
Very good movie.
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:30.720
Well, I might go see it again.
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:37.119
I would like to go see it again um if I can, but uh definitely will be a physical media purchase for my collection.
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.479
One one last thing I'd like to talk about is even like the cinematography.
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:47.279
So I've not watched The Batman, of course, as we've already established, but one thing I will give the Batman props for is that it feels it looks beautiful.
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:49.600
Oh, it's a beautifully shot film.
01:15:50.079 --> 01:16:00.479
And this movie, from the clips that I have seen of the Batman, this movie kind of captures that same like warm ambiance that um that that the Batman has.
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:00.800
Yeah.
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.760
And I I like that.
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:03.279
I like that feel for Gotham.
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:10.720
Because Superman, I think, what does again like the the feel of each movie, each project has been different.
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.079
Yeah, and I really like that.
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:21.279
And and I I'm not a filmmaker, um, you are, but I just think like the feel of this movie is really well done as well.
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:23.279
But um, that's my final thoughts.
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:25.600
But there there's definitely a lot of chilling moments.
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.720
Uh, there was one moment where when they're injecting that giant syringe in his face.
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.600
Oh, right in his mouth.
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:35.680
You yeah, you were like, you were like, and I was in my head going, the needle's going inside of the bottle, the needle's going inside of the bottle.
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:36.960
Like it's not this, this is fake.
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:42.000
This is like I was just I was having to psych myself out so it wouldn't, because it was, it's it's very gruesome.
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.159
And I think all of it's very good for the movie.
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.640
It fits, it works, it's needed, it's necessary.
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.520
Yeah, there was never a moment where it's like, okay, this is too much.
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:51.039
It never felt like too much, right?
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:51.279
Right.
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:56.399
So honestly, like don't take your kids to go watch this, but go by yourself.
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:56.640
Yeah.
01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:02.159
And if uh if you like my girlfriend, if you do not like body horror, this is not a body horror.
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:05.359
If you if that is a fear or a phobia you have, this is not a movie for you.
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.359
This is very body horror-driven, it's very gory, it's very gross.
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:21.279
So um, but um, as we said at the theater, we went into one of Clay, we went into your friend's sister-in-law, and we we said we were like, we're watching a boy movie because they were watching some stupid girl movie.
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:22.640
Sense and sensibility, yeah.
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:23.680
Boy movie.
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.119
This is this is very boy movie.
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.119
Go out with your buddies, go see this with your friends.
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:28.560
This is not a date night movie.
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.319
This is very graphic, but um, again, very good film.
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:32.800
Yeah.
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:34.560
So I enjoyed it.
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.560
Well, Paul, uh, we'll be back, Lord willing, next week.
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:38.960
Yes.
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:40.880
With uh why'd you say it like that?
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.840
Well, just in case something was to come up and we don't have to.
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.399
You're like, as long as you don't die, we'll be back.
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.199
Well, that's not what that's not what I'm that's not what I mean.
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:53.439
I'm just saying, like, you know, just in case something comes up and we're not able to.
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:58.960
Uh in case you, you know, so some mafia boss comes in and cuts up your face and you experiment with it.
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:02.960
Um cuts my hair.
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:07.520
Um I I need a haircut, but anyway.
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:08.399
Dude, I do too.
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.800
But next week we'll be talking about Absolute Batman 25.
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:13.600
I just ordered another cover today, my tenth cover.
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.800
My tenth variant cover for this book.
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:17.439
But yes.
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:26.159
So be sure to come back again next week and hear our Absolute Batman breakdown and review along with Transformers, uh, Venom number one.
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:27.920
Midnight Spider-Man.
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:28.960
Midnight Spider-Man.
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.079
We'll have some big stuff next week.
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:30.960
It's gonna be a big week.
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:36.159
It's gonna be a big, a nice little let's close the door on October because man, October has been a big month for us.
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:38.239
And then November we'll have some big stuff.
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.880
We oh yes, I forgot about those things.
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:41.680
Yeah.
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:43.520
So we'll wait to announce that.
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.039
But thank you guys so much for listening.
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:46.560
Um, this has been Beyond the Pool list.
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:47.119
My name is Paul.
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:49.439
My name's Clayton, and we'll see you next week.
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Hello everybody, my name is Paul.
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And my name's Clayton.
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And you are listening to the Beyond the Poolist podcast.
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It's that time, Clayton.
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It is that time.
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For Absolute Batman.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's next week.
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Oh, it's so close.
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What was today?
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What was today?
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I don't know.
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It something did something happen?
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Did something come out?
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I was looking at it.
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Was it Amazing Spider-Man 1001?
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Nah.
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No, we don't care about that.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Well, it was something.
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I feel like it has something to do with DC that came out today.
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Was it like another Flash movie?
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Because I've been waiting for another Flash movie.
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Yeah, because yeah, I hope somebody clips this right now because like The Flash was the best DC movie I've ever watched.
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I stop.
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Today we are doing our clayface review.
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We just got out of the theater.
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We just went and watched it.
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Like we literally, we just yeah, we're still in the parking lot.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're in the theater.
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Yeah, we're in the theater.
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They're they're calling the cops.
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The cops are coming to kick us out.
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Um, but for the most part, uh yeah, this is uh we're this is very exciting to talk about.
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We we just went and seen it, we came back, and we have we have barely spoken because we we've been wanting to kind of have everything be discussed on here.
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Um if you haven't seen Clayface yet, because we are realizing that this is out on a Saturday, and it just came out yesterday.
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So you should go see Clayface before you listen to this show because we are talking all spoilers, everything.
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Like if you if you don't care, listen to this episode.
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If you do care, stop right here, go listen, go watch the movie, and then come back.
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Yes.
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So um That's your spoiler warning.
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From everything from here on out is pure spoilers.
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Pure spoilers.
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So um a couple years ago, they announced that they were making a Clayface movie.
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And I had kind of heard that they were doing that, and of course, we've been in this era of super villain movies.
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We've had Venom.
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We've had actually a Venom trilogy, we had Joker, we had um Am I missing We're pretending that Joker 2 doesn't exist.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot.
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Yeah, honestly, I forgot that that movie existed because I've still not seen it and I refuse to watch it.
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Um what um Foley Do or whatever?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I was saying the other villain movie we got was uh Black Adam.
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We did get Black Adam, but still not the movie I'm thinking of.
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What are you thinking of?
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No, no, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.
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And uh, I'll tell you what I'm thinking of.
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I was just gonna I mean I don't think there's any I can't think of Black Adam's Morbius time.
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Oh gosh, yeah, we got a Morbius movie.
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I forgot about that too.
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Anyway, but we're here to talk about a good DC movie, a good supervillain movie.
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Yes, I would argue maybe one of the best.
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I'd argue the best.
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Really?
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Okay.
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I would okay.
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I'm still when when the when the movie ended, the first thing you you asked me was, do you think that's better than Joker?
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And I went, I'm not sure yet.
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Not that this is bad.
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I'm just I'm kind of like, oh, I don't know.
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Like they're pretty close.
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I need to let it sit for a minute.
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We do, we do, because the hype is gonna for sure make me be like, you know, like that was 10 out of 10.
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I can't wait for us to do this review.
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And then like by Sunday, people are like, This is the worst movie ever.
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And then we're like, oh, uh, you know what?
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We hate it too.
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We're gonna jump on the bandwagon, we're followers.
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Um, but no, but they announced this movie and the trailer came out.
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And I remember when that trailer came out, the first thing I did was I sent it to you, and I or you sent it to me, or I sent it to you.
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We one of us sent it to you.
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We were talking about it because uh we had just started the podcast not too long when the first trailer dropped.
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Yeah.
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And uh one of the first things I said to you was, This looks like your movie uh because it had those vibes.
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And we even made we talked about it on the show.
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We didn't.
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We made a post about it, and we even titled the post Clayface Movie of the Year.
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Yeah, and like that was just to obviously get engagement.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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Um, but actually we were pretty excited about it.
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I mean, I I thought like I remember showing the trailer to my mom, and I was like, I was like, hey, they're making a clayface movie.
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She knows who Clayface is, she genuinely knows who clayface is, and she was like, Oh, you used to you loved Clayface growing up.
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And I showed her the trailer and she was like, Oh my gosh, why why is it like scary?
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And I was like, Because it's made for me.
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It's made, I'm the target audience, folks.
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Somebody says, Who even asked for this?
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Paul's like, Me.
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I did well, I didn't ask for it, but I'll take it.
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I'll take it.
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Um, so I uh we're we're not gonna go in any chronological order.
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We're just gonna kind of talk about things and how we uh how you know, just what we think about different parts of the movie.
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Um for but a quick synopsis, real quick.
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This story follows Matt Hagen, who is a super celebrity.
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He is he's just made it big by getting uh uh nominated for an Academy Award, which is the defining moment in his career.
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And he is partying, celebrating this achievement, and he runs into this girl who um is flirting with them, and she's like, you know, I know you, you're famous, and and she puts a pill on her tongue, they make out, and it turns out that she is the girlfriend of a mafia boss who he wakes up the next morning, he's in the bed, they attack him and completely cut his face to pieces.
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So he is lost all hope, he loses all his contracts, everything his life is completely falling apart and is pretty much over at this point.
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But he learn he learns of this new research about these cells that can repair tissue damage.
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So he reaches out to this girl.
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What what was her name again?
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Her character name?
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It was um That's bad that we just got out of the movie and we can't remember.
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Uh it was Caitlin.
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Caitlin, okay.
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So uh he runs to Caitlin, who they start working together.
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Um, it starts working, but then there are these side effects, and he ends up uh he injects more of these uh AI stem cells inside of him, and um which makes him pretty much indestructible.
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He can cut himself and immediately heal, he can change how he looks, he can change his face, but it is starting to have repercussions on his mental state.
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And he begins to go as he learns that all these people have betrayed him that were on his team originally, that were for him, have betrayed him in this huge, you know, crime mafia like spider web kind of.
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Honestly, yeah, it's it's everything, everything has been against him paid off by a mafia boss, you know.
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And he finally kills all these people, and at the end of the movie, he tries to get with Caitlin because he loves her, and he is too far gone, and then we see Clayface.
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So that is kind of the the the whole movie.
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The quick synopsis of the movie.
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Again, we're not gonna try to do beat for beat because that would take hours.
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Yeah, and Gabriella told us not to take three hours this time, and we gotta respect Clayton's wife because she will beat me and me.
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Just kidding.
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We love you, Gabriella.
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But um I'm what are some of your thoughts on this movie?
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What are some first two?
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So, first off, I just had an idea.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um, what if we do this movie in the good, the bad, and the ugly?
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Ooh, I got you.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I'll I'll start out with some good stuff that I have about this movie.
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Um everything.
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Um, okay, so so here's uh like being serious for a moment.
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I don't like horror movies.
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You do not?
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I'm a I'm the biggest weenie that has ever weenied.
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Yeah, and I'm surprised you actually we went to see this because I didn't think you would go since it was considered a horror movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um honestly, my wife, Gabriella, she was kind of like, Are you sure you want to go watch this?
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I'm like, yeah.
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And everybody online was saying, like, it's it's like obsession, it's like that that horror kind of suspense stuff.
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And I'm like, oh boy, I I haven't even watched Obsession.
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And I have, and it was terrifying.
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And uh I was like, oh gosh, what am I getting myself into?
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And um actually it was really good.
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It was good for somebody like me who doesn't like horror because it was more body whore rather than like jump scare and like paranormal stuff.
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Like I just I'm just a weenie.
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Yeah, and I can't.
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Um but this was good, it was body whore.
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I can handle that.
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I told Gabriella on the phone on the way over here that um there was there's a lot of gore in this movie, but it it's gore that works, so it's not gore, yeah.
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Yeah, it's not gore just for the sake of like let me show you bat the bastion this guy's brains out.
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Let me show you uh like why he has to go through these steps and like eventually become the monster.
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Yeah.
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Um, so so that's my good.
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Um, it's it's good for somebody who like doesn't really like horror but want can tolerate a little bit.
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Um, I think the story overall is is just really good.
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It moves very fast, it does move very quickly.
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Is also like a bad, but it's not like a bad, bad that I have.
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Um, but it does move you're immediately thrown in and it's just go, go, go, go, go, go.
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Yeah.
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Um, good, the the twist at the end, where um, again, spoilers, um, he and Caitlin are together in like the sewers now, and uh she they're talking like, well, I love you, and I can't we can finally be together, and they start making out and the camera pans out, and it's just and it's just one big conglomerate.
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And oh the the monster looked amazing when he went full monster mode.
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Yes.
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Um the it just it was I it was really good.
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It was it was really well done.
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And it was it wasn't I don't even know like how else to say it, but it was just a really well done, interesting villain story.
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Yeah, um and what I really like is that sometimes like Ven uh Venom had this problem, unfortunately.
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Um that Venom is typically a villain, right?
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Um I and I know you might disagree with that on the other.
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Well, I mean, no, he he is tip he is a uh a villain, he's supposed to be a villain, yeah.
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Um but he ends up in the movies being an anti-hero.
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Right.
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Um, but this is a purely villain movie.
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Yeah, he is a villain.
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He is not a guy.
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And I told you that was one of the things we we did discuss in the theaters, is that um I like this better than Joker because in Joker you know he's going to become Joker.
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Yeah.
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You you just know that already.
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But with this, there is a point where you're like, you can come back from this.
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You you can be saved.
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And that's and for me, that's before he starts killing people.
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Right.
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Once he starts killing, you're like, you've made the decision to go too far.
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Yeah.
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And and even like there's there's moments where like him and Caitlin kind of have this kind of chemistry.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, dude, don't don't do this.
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Like you're you're almost begging him, don't don't become the villain.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's a really good story.
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Uh yeah, I agree.
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Uh, but then he goes too far, and then you're like, dang it.
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I'm like, yeah, I wish you wouldn't have.
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Yeah.
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Um, but yeah, like I I really don't have that many complaints, if I'm being honest.
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My my good personally is so um this movie was um as I I I think for a villain movie, it's a it's a fantastic movie because the the thing is is like, first of all, um a problem that I had with Venom was that you can't have Venom without Spider-Man.
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Right, right.
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This movie, you can have Clayface without Batman.
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Batman is not involved in the creation of Clayface.
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Right.
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That is that is Matt Hagen's doing, or whoever, you know, basil Carla, whoever is Clayface, you know, um it it's that person's fault that they become clayface.
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You know, Batman is not, he just he just fights the aftermath.
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Right.
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And so like the good for me is that I think that the story does go really fast.
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It jump it jumps you right in, but it's very clear that there was a well-written concept.
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You can tell this is is it takes from the animated series because I just I actually just watched the second half today just because I hadn't I had never seen those.
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I didn't watch the Batman, I didn't grow up with the Batman animated series.
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I grew up with other Batman shows.
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Man, that makes me feel old.
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Well, I mean, I grew up with the Spider-Man one, so I'm not I just I just I just I wasn't into Batman yet, I think when that was kind of the hot show.
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Um but like um you know, I watched it so I can see the connections, but also this movie stands alone.
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You don't have to watch that to know this.
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But I can see like the you know, there's a a scene in the movie where you know when his face like he, you know, he gets injections and it's slowly like they're doing it in small doses, so like it's slowly getting better and better and better.
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And then, you know, uh Caitlin is like, hey, you don't need to, is it Caitlin?
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I'm pretty sure it's Caitlin.
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Okay, I want to make sure I haven't said we we know the main character's name.
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It's just I was very invested in the movie that I completely forgot the the name of the main the side character.
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Um sorry, I do that a lot.
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Everybody, that's not my fault.
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Anyway, yeah, it's Caitlin.
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It's Caitlin, okay, cool.
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Um so Caitlin, like they're they're doing these small doses, and she kind of tells she tells Matt, like, hey, you don't need no red carpets, like you we're still testing.
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We're in uncharted territory because Matt is like, you know what?
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I want to start human trials.
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If this kills me, that that will be the best thing that could happen to me right now.
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My my face is messed up.
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I'm nothing, I'm a nobody.
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Like, killing me would be a favor.
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Right.
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And it's like, so he takes the gamble and it works out, and his face is slowly getting better.
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But then on the red carpet, he starts to he runs into his former boss who kind of just threw him away.
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Yeah.
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Once it once this accident happened, she just got rid of him.
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And you see his face start to melt and his like eye is starting to like open up, and it's just it's like, ooh, you know, so there's an association with anger and the the the clay kind of malfunctioning.
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And um, from that point forward, like his face starts messing up really bad, and he panics because he's like, I need to fix this.
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Like, I my face is messing up again.
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So he injects himself with this massive amount of the like uh like he overdoses pretty much on these clay AI like nanite things, right?
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Yeah, and and it completely like he's like spitting teeth.
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Is that what was coming out of his mouth?
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He's like spitting up teeth or something.
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I remember when it like does a pan over of her lab, yeah.
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Um you see like these chunks of things, yeah.
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So I think it's just like c clay, honestly.
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I think he honestly spits up clay.
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Yeah.
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Because at first, because he spits out two of them at first, I thought he just spit out his eyeballs because they're they're round and that's kind of what they look like.
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Um but uh I think it's I think it's clay.
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Right.
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But it but that scene was so cool because it was like we're actually getting the the Matt Hagel, like this needs to be fixed right now, and I'm just gonna do I'm gonna be stupid and make stupid decisions to get myself fixed.
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And it and it works until it slowly starts, and but until it slowly stops working.
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And and but again, this movie in terms of the good, very well written story, very well.
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Um I mean, not a lot of character development, but you get what you need to move forward.
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Right, right.
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You know, it's like this is exactly what you need to move forward.
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You understand their motivation, you understand every character's motivation, and um you know, the good, um the bad, I guess.
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Do we want to talk about it?
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We can talk about the bad, yeah.
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I don't have a lot of to of bad bad stuff.
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Like, I think you know, it was quick.
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I wanted more, I do want more.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I did mention, like, hey, if DC doesn't do anything with Clayface, I think that that's gonna be a huge missed opportunity because it's like like you just built this amazing villain in one movie.
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Like you you made him, so now throwing him in if they do a Batman film that's not like you know Robert Pattinson's um, whatever they're Batman Brave in the Bold or whatever it is they're gonna do.
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Um this would be a great villain to put in there.
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But I I do think that um we didn't get to see Clayface much, we got to see him fully clay monster face like twice, which is that was a little disappointing, but again, I can look over it because it was just like the this is about Matt Hagen becoming this thing.
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Um that's really my own only critiques.
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I don't have a lot.
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Um and the ugly is the body horror.
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Yeah, like the amount of body horror in this movie of like, you know, you see them doing surgery on his face, and like he has like what six surgeries before he starts the clay experiments thing.
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And um, and it turns out it was just like a money scheme with the the mafia boss, like he's they're just kind of cutting corners just to whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And um, but it shows very like shows constantly them cutting his nose open and pulling the skin back and like the bone and like it's very graphic.
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When when the mobsters are in there cutting his face, he puts the knife in his mouth, kind of like the Joker in Dark Knight, but you actually see him freaking yank it out.
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You I I heard you're like oh yeah, I because I just didn't expect to see it.
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Like in that, but it should it's very, very but and it looks good.
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It doesn't look really it doesn't look fake, it doesn't look like even the transformations were very quick, like a lot of times when uh when Matt was like he would literally just like through a dime change into like another person, yeah.
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Um but I think um the clay malfunctions of like his face and his like lip dragging and his eyes sagging, or like this airplane scene where his eyes are closed and and he kind of he's trying to cut cut through the lenses while like he's in the bathroom was so like oh because I you know I'd seen everybody on on social media be like, oh my gosh, like reacting to it.
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It wasn't as bad as social media people made it out to be, but um, I was very scared that it was gonna be really bad.
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Um, because it shows close-ups of them cutting the skin.
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I mean, it it really like leans into that body horror.
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Yes.
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So I want to go back to a good real quick, okay, and that is that um Batman's not in this movie.
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And and and you were kind of talking about that, and I think that's a good thing.
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I I would agree that's a good thing.
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Because I I know you've not seen any other DCU projects yet.
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I again I don't what what all has there been?
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There's been Superman, Super Girl, Creature Commandos, Creature Commandos, Superman, Super Girl, Lanterns, Suicide Squad is technically, but it came out before I've seen Suicide Squad.
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Um, not the 2016.
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I know the the one with the King Shark.
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I've seen that one.
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I've liked it.
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That that's a part of this universe, but that's it's not, it was before James Gunn fully took over.
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Right.
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Um let's see.
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And then obviously Clayface.
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So yeah, I think um if real quick, just for um clarification, when we were in the theater, I had told Clayton, I was like, I think this is the first DC movie I've seen since the James Gunn's took over.
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Yeah.
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I just I never went and seen Superman.
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I heard Supergirl wasn't good, so I just didn't go see it.
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And again, I'm not DC is kind of my not real I don't really venture to DC, but Batman I do venture into Batman and Clayface, I was not gonna miss this movie.
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Yeah, um, yeah.
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So um and Peacemaker is also part of the DCU.
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I've seen a little bit of Peacemaker.
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I knew I knew I was forgetting something.
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Um but in all of these projects, you've seen Batman once, and that's in Creature Commandos.
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There's a scene where uh Dr.
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Phosphor Phosphorus is like at a nightclub or whatever, and then the camera like pans up, and Batman's like in the night light, and he's silhouetted, and you just see like his cape flying.
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That is the only time you've seen Batman.
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We've not seen him in anything else, yeah.
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And I think that is so good because it it it makes Batman feel like this this menacing force.
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Yeah, and I really expected Batman to show up like even just something like that, like his cape flapping or something.
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Yeah, and I'm so glad that we didn't because it's really building up this hype for Batman.
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Like he is here, but you just don't see him yet.
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Yeah, and that's gonna make when they finally do do him, uh, it's gonna be like just so awesome.
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Yeah, for somebody, especially for me, I'm not a Batman fan.
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Yeah.
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Uh so but I I'm like, I can't wait to see Batman.
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You just can't wait to see, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and I and I again, I think that him not being in this movie really lets Matt just kind of take the screen.
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You know, you're invested in Matt.
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And and it does it gets really frustrating in some superhero movies, especially now where everything is so universe built.
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Yeah.
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When you're watching a movie and then someone else jumps in.
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Right.
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And again, I I love cameos.
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I love it when I love those things, but sometimes it's just like let let this movie be about him.
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Yeah, you know, let him be the biggest, scariest thing here because Batman is big and scary.
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If Superman dropped in, that that's a big force.
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Right.
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Let Clayface be the big force of the film.
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And I think like just giving this to him, it it felt everything felt like I didn't feel like I needed Batman.
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I mean, uh, we we waited for a post-credit scene.
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There wasn't one because there had been rumors that there was gonna be a Batman post-credit scene.
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And I'm not mad that there wasn't.
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I'm not mad at all.
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And I I think like this movie, because again, we've talked before, this movie was a a member at DC went up to James Good and said, Hey, I would love to make a Clayface movie.
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And he says, What every great filmmaker says, okay, write the script.
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And the guy left and he came back with the script and showed it, and James Good said, Great, I think this is amazing, let's do it.
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And and they made a movie.
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This wasn't in the plan, and a lot of people have been kind of trashing it because of that.
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They're like, Oh, well, we got Superman, Supergirl, and then Clayface.
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That's such a random order.
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It's like, well, this is somebody passionate that wants to make a movie about just something small in this big universe.
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So here I am about to defend James Gunn again.
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Uh because I feel like I j defend James Gunn on Instagram all the time.
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Um what I love I I guess so some people, some people, it's it people are 50-50.
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Yeah, yeah, they really are.
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Um, but what I love about what DC is for years, our biggest complaint as DC fans was they're just trying to be Marvel.
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Stop trying to be Marvel.
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Yeah, just do your own thing.
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And now that's what James Gunn is doing.
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DC is doing their own thing.
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Yeah, you're we're not we're not trying to build a cohesive universe.
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We're not trying to build um uh up to an endgame level thing.
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We are building unique stories that people want to have in you know, like digest.
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Yeah.
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Um I think that's one of the reasons why Superman is in my top five favorite movies.
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Now, Superman, I'm also biased because I love Superman.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But Superman is in my top five movies because it doesn't feel like he's trying to set something up.
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It feels like um it it it's just a Superman story.
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And and yeah, there's characters in there, but it's not we're not building to a universe.
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This is they're they're just there.
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It makes sense for the plot.
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And and so that's Why I think Clayface kind of works so well, too, is that we're not trying to build up to a new universe.
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We're we're this is somebody's passion project, and you can feel that, and that's what makes this movie enjoyable.
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Yeah.
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Is is this is DC doing its own thing, and and I love DC for each movie has a like a different genre.
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Like Superman was your super your superhero movie.
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Yeah.
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Um and then Clayface is your horror movie.
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Yeah.
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Lanterns is your detective story.
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Um creature commandos is an animated, like every project has been different.
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Yeah, I love that.
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I think that's really good, especially with Clayface being a body horror and a horror movie.
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I mean, there were some parts that got me.
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I mean there's there's some moments um like I love what I love is I love that they do this with first of all, there's this scene that's like this is when start shit starts getting weird.
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Yeah.
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It's um Caitlin is like, you know, hey, I'm gonna supervise you for the night.
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I'm gonna I wanna be by your bed while you sleep, and I'm gonna supervise you with a video.
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Okay, so hold that, hold that because that's my ugly.
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Oh, okay.
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That's my ugly.
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Okay.
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Okay, okay, I'll wait, I'll wait then.
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I'll wait.
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Okay, so my I'll I'll get to my bad real quick.
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Yeah, get to your bad screen.
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So my bad is it is simply just that it moves so fast.
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It does move fast, yeah.
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And that is my biggest complaint because you're immediately thrown in and it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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Yeah.
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Which not necessarily a bad thing, but that's that's my biggest complaint.
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Yeah.
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Uh and my um, and if that's my biggest complaint, then that's a pretty good movie.
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That's not that's not a bad, that's not a bad, no, yeah.
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Like, um, but my ugly, yeah, I have two, and we're one is the what you were talking about.
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Yeah, but my ugly is simply that the monster.
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Yeah.
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Uh the monster just looks so good.
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It's what I wanted for a clay face, because I love that the monster is half of his face, yeah, and the rest just the monster.
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Yeah, and it's like it's like his face just kind of drags out into the because it doesn't look like I was worried that it was just gonna look like exact copy of because again, uh, something in movies that like um we were talking about Five Nights at Freddy's before we started recording.
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Um, something that I don't like about those movies, this is one of my just and this kind of relates to that, is that and this might be a hot take, but the animatronics look too good, they look too accurate to the video game.
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And I think that your movie adaptation should have differences from whatever the original source material was.
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It should it should be able to stand on its own.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to look at Clayface in the Clayface movie and go, that looks exactly beat for beat like the the 90s cartoon, right?
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I want like I I wanted it to look different, and it did.
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The the half Hagen and like his mouth kind of stretches off, and you can see you can see this the you know this cartoon Batman in there, right?
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But it still stands on its own.
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So I love that.
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I love the di like the similar but different, right?
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And I think that's what characters should have rather than like it looks exactly like the book, it looks beat for beat like the book.
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Like it shouldn't, it should it should stand on its own.
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Right.
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So my but talk about your ugly.
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I'm I'm ready to talk about this scene.
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So there's a scene where she stays the night to monitor him because she's worried about his she's like, your transformations are not controlled.
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Yes.
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Uh they're just like what she she doesn't use the word impulses, but it's like um desires, like innate desire.
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It's it's it's something inside like he can't control it basically.
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He starts because it it comes about whenever he's on the plane, right?
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He sees he finds out that his like lawyer was also a part of the crime.
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He was a part of one of the the main mafia guys, roadies.
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So he was he felt betrayed, and that's when his eyes started to close together.
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And uh when he's telling that story to her, because she says, I want you to tell me about this thing that's bothering you, and he does, and he's he his face changes to look like the guy, the mafia guy.
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And so that's where it starts.
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Just for just for kind of background, just in case.
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So um yeah, so he's sleeping and she's filming him.
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And um he starts to he changes into um he changes into one of the mafia guys first.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then he changes into her.
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Yes.
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And basically, like I don't know how to put that.
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Like he touches himself kind of.
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He kind of touches himself.
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Yeah, like he's but he's feeling himself.
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That's a that's a better word.
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Feeling I mean that's what he's doing.
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Yeah, like he rolls over and like kind of like implied that they're like making out or whatever.
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Well, it's his hands, his his hands are his hands, but his body is her, yeah, and he's like holding her.
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Yeah, it's almost like this is his like he's just he's meeting that sensation because you can tell he likes her, yeah.
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But she's married, so she can't.
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She's engaged.
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She's engaged, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, but yeah.
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And then um, so but like a whole body, and then he just turns around and it's the um the like the banker guy's face.
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Yeah.
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And that's like it's super, it's a it's a freaky scare because he's smiling.
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Uh and and that's that's my ugly uh another one of my ugliest, it's just like it's so well done, like the transformations.
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And very well done.
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Um the the fight when he's in the club.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like it's just it's just him constantly changing and moving.
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Like where they they punch his face and hit half the city.
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And his and his whole face like caves in.
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Yeah.
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Or or or the scene um they head he headbutts him.
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Yeah.
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:20.160
And like his face gets sucked in, and then he takes the bottle and just stabs the guy in the neck.
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:22.640
It's like, oh my gosh.
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:40.160
Well, and then there's one, there's one part, um, this was freaky because we um we both went, ooh, because he he changes into this um this woman who's on the dance floor, and he's and sh and him, him as her is climbing up the stairs, and he smiles at somebody, but the smile is way too big.
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.720
It's like going around the face, and it's just like, ooh, it's it's it's so clayface.
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.079
Like those are some those are like wow.
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:54.480
I mean, I'm I like you you almost want to I guess that's a bad, but it's it's a good at the same time.
00:27:54.640 --> 00:28:01.039
Like you almost want to see the monster clayface with the giant like axe hand, and he's like swinging her around.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.319
Like you want to see that, yeah, but he's not there yet.
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:04.640
Yeah.
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.039
And like that's it's a good and a bad at the same time.
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.839
Like, give me it.
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.480
I want to see it.
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:09.759
I think that's the thing.
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:15.599
I think that's like it is a good and a bad is that you are anticipating this like big transformation.
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.799
You know it's coming, and then you're just like, come on, come on, come on.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:26.799
And it's just every step is just an a bare, like it's just slowly like it's it's edging you to get you to to this big transformation.
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.200
And then, you know, again, a bad for me is that when it finally happens, it's very quick.
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:48.480
It is very quick, it's very quick, and it's just like, you know, because the way it happens is um jumping to the climax of the film is that um uh Caitlin comes home and her uh fiance is sitting there and he's like, you know, you've been he he's he's insinuating he wants a divorce.
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.799
Or or that they separate because they're not married yet.
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.039
But she's over here, like, well, no, it is it's Matt Hagen, he's transforming his face.
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.319
I need you to listen to me.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.200
I looked at the files and he's like, Okay, well, show me what you're talking about.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:02.799
I don't believe you, but show me.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:08.640
And she goes into the offices that's behind him, and her fiance's in the floor dead.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:08.880
Yeah.
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:16.079
So her fiance standing there uh is Matt Hagen, which again, there's multiple points in the movie where I kept asking, like, is that the real guy or is that Matt?
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.039
Because I started not knowing who that's a good thing.
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.880
It's very well done, yeah.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.160
And um, and he's like, I can be whoever you want me to be.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:31.599
And it's it's crazy because you can see him as the fiance through the window, but the second he crosses that like wood part of the door, he's back to being Matt Hagen.
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:37.440
What I love about that is that the the door is like wavy, so it's it's like the wavy glistening glass.
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:43.279
So it it it really kind of is like the imagery there is like it's not him.
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:49.839
Um but yeah, sorry, no, but um, but but he's like, I can be whoever you want me to be, like we can be together.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.240
I love you.
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.400
And she's like, How am I supposed to be with you?
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.599
You you killed my fiance.
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.839
Like, I'm doesn't make that doesn't make me, you know, which is a super realistic reaction.
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.920
And um she nabs her fiance's taser because he's a police officer.
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:12.799
Yeah, so she nabs his taser, and um when he goes in to like hug and kiss her, he tases her because it's an electric shock that compresses the nanites and causes them to overreact.
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:17.599
It's a little shock that gets him really excited, is what she says, excited and activated.
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:31.039
So he shocks him for a good few seconds and he and pushes him out the window, and she goes downstairs and she has her iPad, and she you she there is a failsafe that she can turn these nanites off, but where there's so many inside of him, it would kill him.
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.279
Right, it's at the point where it would kill him.
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:55.759
And you see him like zapping, he's like being electrocuted, he's like, please just kill me, and he gets bigger and bigger, and then this is when you start to see him because we don't get a full reveal here, we just get just the little one, and he like you start to see him, and then as you start to see him, she pushes the the execute button, and then he just and just flops on the ground and and goes into the sewer.
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.480
Um which was so just it's just so oh it's so good.
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:06.000
Yeah, because I'm curious what would have happened if he'd have just fully transformed, if he'd uh, you know, because there again there's no telling at that point.
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.000
He could have killed her, he could have killed her.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:22.880
Um, but there's also that scene in the alleyway where he uh well so she uh earlier in the movie, you find out that the mafia is trying to find her and her fiance because they they know the fiance who's the detective knows what's going on.
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.160
He knows that there was this huge fake, like the the the jurors at the trial were paid off.
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.440
So Matt Hagen, you know, was he served an unfair trial and all these things.
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:42.720
And Caitlin is walking home, and one of these mafia guys is following her, and you know, you're like, oh, Clayface is gonna show up and beat the tar out of this guy.
00:31:42.960 --> 00:32:01.359
And he the the mafia guy catches up to Caitlin and spins her against uh like a metal beam, and he's like, I you know, like I'm sorry, like there's nothing personal, and her face changes to Matt's because it was Matt the whole time, and then he kills him, and then he makes the big freaking ball spike hand and just boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:16.000
Oh you know, it's so good because it's like the movie had a$40 million budget, which like dude, if I had$40 million, like I'd be set for life, but like uh the m m in movie making terms, correct me if I'm wrong,$40 million is really not that much.
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.200
And they did they use that budget perfectly, they did use it very well.
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:30.000
Um and but yeah, uh I'm just there's so many transformation scenes or moments where he's just using something.
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.039
I mean the airplane scene the air now I do have to admit the airplane scene was definitely hyped up a lot on the city.
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:36.960
It was it was overhyped for sure.
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.720
Um there were there were better scenes that um displayed the body horror more than that scene.
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.319
But watching that in the trailer, like, oh my gosh, that's yeah, gonna be rough.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.920
And it is kind of rough in the movie.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.400
Yeah.
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.519
Um, but it's just not as bad as everybody was making it out to be.
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:54.160
Right, right.
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.759
Which which again, I'm glad I'm glad DC didn't show a lot in the trailer.
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:58.079
Yes.
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.039
Because there was a lot in the movie that I hadn't seen.
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.519
There was a lot in this movie that they kept hidden.
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.960
Um I love that bathroom, the bathtub shot.
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.480
Um when he like after he goes, he kissed so he starts going and killing all of his friends.
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.079
Which we've got to talk about that.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:12.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.319
You don't you take I've talked a lot, you take it this way.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:14.880
No, no, no.
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.440
Uh so I he first off, the first person he kills is like the lawyer guy.
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:19.920
Yeah.
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:29.440
And um he kind of kills him because he pushes him down on the desk and he his thumb is kind of in his mouth, and it ends up like draining basically down his throat.
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.000
Yeah, and he rips out his throat.
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:32.559
Yeah.
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.960
Um, and that I was like, oh dang.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.559
Yeah, that's okay.
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:36.960
Yeah.
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.440
Uh and then he transforms into that guy, whatever.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:47.119
And then he finds out that his best friend, Corey, um, basically sold him out in order to get a role.
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.880
And they kind of play it off good.
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:54.079
And at at for a moment, I was really like, okay, like Corey didn't sell him out, he's good.
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.400
Yeah.
00:33:54.640 --> 00:34:06.000
And then when he sees like the script uh and that him and the the mob boss uh Zabbo, uh his his girl uh was on there, um, then he realizes yeah, you did sell me out.
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:06.400
Yeah.
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:12.639
And he kills him by hugging him and like and pushing his head into his stomach and suffocating him.
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:13.039
Yeah.
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:22.880
Oh um, but you and again, you feel for him, not that you would ever kill your best friend, but like you feel for him because like you he says you broke my heart.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.440
Yeah.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.039
And uh so that sucks.
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:36.320
Um who else does he uh and then he goes into the club, yeah, and this is one of the things, uh, another ugly that I'd like to talk about is um just he he that whole scene was so good, like you're on the edge of your seat the whole time.
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:43.280
Um and he switches up people um to for a moment at the end.
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.559
But what really I want to talk about is when he kills Zabo.
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:55.119
Oh my gosh, and he he cuts himself where Zabo cut him to begin with, yeah, and all that blood just pours out on his face.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.679
Yeah, and uh he's like you feel that pressure behind your eyes, yeah.
00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:07.039
And like the the the thing about this movie is like when he cuts himself, the blood and everything wants to come back to his body.
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:15.679
Yeah, it will like because there's a scene where he cuts himself in front of the mirror and the blood in the sink like flies back up into his face, yeah.
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:26.320
And um, so he all this blood is all over Zappa's face, and um he's like that pressure behind your eyes, that's my blood wanting to come back to me.
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.239
That's my revenge.
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:37.599
And the the scene of just Clayface's blood coming out of this guy's face is just like oh my god.
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.960
Oh, it's it's it's hard to look at every once in a while.
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.880
Um he kills his girlfriend in a very he he what does he do?
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.599
He like Oh, because she um uh she she bites him to try to get him off.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:59.519
She bites his arm and the the clay that comes off in that bite starts to go down her throat and up her airway and it blocks her nose holes, it blocks her mouth so she can't breathe and she suffocates.
00:35:59.599 --> 00:35:59.679
Yeah.
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.880
Which suffocation is pretty much the the killing clay face blow.
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.079
Right, right, right.
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.440
Um yeah, it is so good.
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:16.639
I I I love I I I love that he's an actor because he really does, like every time he takes the form of somebody, yeah, he really tries to be them.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.920
Yeah, he you yeah.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.719
Um there are a lot of like there are a lot of familiar puns that you'll hear.
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.920
So you'll hear like the like um oh what is it?
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.639
Uh there was a movie called One Bad Day that won an award.
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.159
You hear that you hear that several times.
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.639
You hear that, that, that, and it was like a when someone says, Yeah, one bad movie.
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:34.960
Yeah.
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:46.159
But then there is uh there's a few there's another pun of like um like I'm just staying in character, or there's there's a lot of actor punts that are well used.
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:47.840
Nothing seems like, oh come on.
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.159
Right.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:52.880
There's I don't I don't I don't I didn't find any moments there I thought thought that something was overdone or over said.
00:36:53.360 --> 00:37:01.280
I think the the one bad day that's a callback to a line that Joker has to Batman at one point where he's like um you're gonna be like all it takes is one bad day.
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:01.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.760
And um that's really emphasized here is that he had a bad day, and that's what led him down this path.
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:08.239
Yeah.
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:18.719
And um but yeah, no, I did have I do have to mention because there's a scene because the movie takes place in Gotham and Gotham looks great, like it looks like what I want from Gotham.
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.400
Yeah, I still haven't watched The Batman, but um yeah, yeah, I know.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.360
I I I'm gonna I want to, I just don't want to wait forever to watch it.
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:25.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:37.760
Um, but um no, uh there's a scene where you see it says like Gotham City Police Department, and it's just kind of a quiet moment, and I kind of looked over it here and I said, the most useless police department ever.
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:44.960
Yeah, and literally like the the the head of the department is like eating a donut and has like this gold watch because it's clearly he's been paid off, you know.
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.760
Right.
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:46.960
Um yeah.
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:53.360
I I'm trying to think if there's any other like amazing um I I think I want to talk about the end.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.000
That final scene.
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:54.639
Okay, that's fine.
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.719
That scene was phenomenal that was a very great reveal.
00:37:58.880 --> 00:37:59.039
Yeah.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.719
So we get um, you know, it's believed that you know he goes into the sewers and he's dead.
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.760
She doesn't think he's alive, and that's just kind of it.
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.320
Um I think they start to come to like take her stuff, and they I think what was the the what what was going on with her and her?
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.079
It was like, I think are the police involved?
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:24.159
So the police are there and they're the police are there um and they're kind of just uh saying like okay, we just want to make sure your story's right.
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.599
Um there's no way that he could come back from that.
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.519
And she's like, as far as I know, no.
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.079
Yeah.
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.719
And uh so she kind of loads up all the stuff.
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.679
They the police load up all of her equipment and obviously they're sending it off for evidence.
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.920
Um, but they're like, You're the only person who can corroborate this story, so there's nothing really we can do.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:55.840
Yeah, of course, Gotham PD, why why we Yeah, but um, and then she kind of is like walking around Gotham, she sees a newspaper that says uh Matt Hagen, uh movie star missing, presumed dead.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.599
Yeah, and so she buys it.
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.920
Maybe she's just wanting to look at it.
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.000
Uh she's she what that's really good.
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.159
This scene is she's like looking around, yeah, trying like, is that Matt?
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:06.639
Is that Matt?
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.159
Yeah, because it's like at this point, if he is alive, he could be anybody.
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:11.119
Yeah.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:21.440
And um this really actually uh just jumping ahead real quick, this really makes me want to go back and revisit creature commandos because Clayface has a pretty important role in creature commandos.
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:21.920
Okay.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.519
Um, but anyways, uh, but there's a homeless man who comes up and uh he's like, spare a dollar.
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.960
I'll let you get to the scene.
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.519
I'm just trying to do it.
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:30.639
No, no, no, no, please no Bill.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:31.840
Yeah, no, please.
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.320
And uh she's she said, sure.
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.480
So she gives him a dollar and he bows.
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.800
He bows, which is what Matt Hagen did the first time that he left the room when he was with her.
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:41.599
Yes.
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.800
And uh he goes on and and walks off, and you take it from him.
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:57.119
Well, we've we follow Matt Hagen, and he's you know, he's the or we've we follow this homeless guy, and he's going uh down into this like almost this sewer tunnel where all these other homeless people have convened.
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:58.880
And and Gotham it looks nasty.
00:39:58.960 --> 00:39:59.840
It's it looks nasty.
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.119
They captured it pretty well.
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.519
And he kind of walks through this area, opens a door to like a maintenance room, and goes into this maintenance room.
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:16.000
And in the maintenance room, there's like a little landing with some stairs going up in a mirror, or like a really dirty like piece of something reflective mirror, right?
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:27.519
And he's sitting there looking, the the old man is looking at himself in the mirror, and then you see her uh you see Caitlin behind him, and he's like, I knew you, I knew I would find you.
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.920
And he turns around and it's Matt Hagen again.
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:38.480
Yeah, and he's like, you know, I saw you in the paper, and they were they're talking back and forth, and he's like, you know, I you know, you're you you played the role of a lifetime.
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.400
Yeah, because she's reading the review of the next year.
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.440
You know, role of a lifetime and this, that, and the other, which is a callback to Arkham City.
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:53.599
I mean, I'm sure it's something else, but I remember in Arkham City, he says, like, Big Joker was the role of a lifetime.
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.159
And then you fight Clayface and freeze him and beat him.
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:05.280
Um, but um, he he's holding her and he's you know, she's like, I love you, and you know, you don't ever have to worry about leaving me and uh uh or losing me.
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.519
And he's like, I I don't know what I'd do without you.
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:30.719
And you know, again, like you said earlier, the camera pulls back, and we see the both of their legs are like mashed together in one big clay structure, and their bodies contort until you see just Clayface standing there, and he kind of turns around, and that's when we get the official full reveal of him, and he screams up into the sky and it slowly turns into a roar, and that's the end of the film.
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.519
Um, one of the best things like that's one of the best reveals of the of the movie.
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.599
It's like, wow, there he is, there's clayface.
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.800
That's how clayface is created.
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:46.559
And again, I think if DC doesn't do anything with Clayface, I think it is a missed opportunity because again, I really like this.
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.119
I like the way they built him, I like the story, I like you feel for him to an extent.
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:56.960
And I think if you introduce Batman and you have them fight, you're gonna feel for both characters.
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:04.079
Yeah, you know, that that was my argument with Jokers because people were like, oh, well, we can't have Batman fight Arthur because Arthur is, you know, has mental health issues.
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.159
And I'm like, but that's why That's Batman.
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:07.199
That's Batman.
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.119
Mentally ill and homeless people.
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.559
I was literally thinking with all the homeless people in Gotham.
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.079
Like, when we do get Batman, it's gonna be the most accurate Batman ever.
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.760
You could use your money to help these people, but no, I'm just gonna break their bones.
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.800
I'm gonna break their bones.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:37.280
Well, and and but again, the thing is, it's like you feel you you it it makes it hard to choose who you want to win because it's like I feel for Matt Hagen, but at the same time, like he's a bad guy.
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:37.679
Yeah.
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.960
Um, but the end of the movie, just like you see him, you see what he has finally become.
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:50.239
He he's he's playing into this character thing himself, which we get another scene way earlier in the movie where he's talking to himself in the mirror.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:58.400
Yes, and he's changing back and forth between this, between himself and um this like almost a character like Murray in Joker.
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.079
It's like a like a new show or like a talk show host, like a Jimmy Fallon, yeah, yeah.
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.199
And they're they're kind of talking back and forth, and he's like, This is who you are, this is who you need to be.
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And like that's what the the Jimmy Fallon-esque character is saying to him.
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And um, but oh, and then there's another scene we didn't talk about.
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Um Well, there's a line there, okay.
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There's a line there that they've made they mentioned twice at that point, right?
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.599
And he says, There's a lot of Matt Hagens in there.
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Which one's the real one?
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Yeah, and he punches the glass, and and in the fracture, you can see different, like it's almost like different faces in one conglomerate, which is so well like good job.
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.920
Like you're you you hit the nail on the head, man.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.960
Like I've I think this is the perfect clay clayface adaptation.
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Yeah, I think so.
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:48.400
Um, would you want to talk about the scene where uh Caitlin goes to visit him and he's like this like monster in his bedroom?
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:48.960
Yeah.
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Do you remember that scene?
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.719
I I I I feel like I didn't know.
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So she she goes to see him.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.039
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.000
I know what you're talking about.
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Yes.
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Okay.
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.000
I was like, what are you talking about?
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:59.760
And then he he had watched he
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he sees uh before she comes by she he's watching the TV and he sees that she uh that that Corey's friend had his f best friend had died and he got away with it because you know they didn't know it was him and um and I want you to I want you to take this because this was a freaky sound yeah so at first like you on the TV you see like this is Matt Hagen and his friend Corey uh at a charity event last year and his skin starts to change at first it looks like tattoos yeah but it's it's the shirt that Matt is wearing on the TV.
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Yeah he's formed his body to have to look like the shirt which was like a theater shirt.
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And he rips off the sh a piece of the shirt that's supposed to be fabric.
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You see like blood yeah in the inside and I thought that's that's yeah freaky but um so Caitlin shows up to the house she knocks um the door is kind of open so she kind of comes in she's like Matt I've been calling you Matt and uh it's oh it's almost like a little bit of a jump scare it's not like a big like jump scare but it's like a mini it's like you're expecting one yeah and and his face like that's the first really form of the monster we see because his mouth is kind of like open a little bit his he has no hair um his eyes are kind of sagging he looks like a skeleton almost to an extent yeah he he he's basically clay face at the fully clayface at that point without being the big monster clayface like he would just be like what you would imagine just a normal humanoid looking figure made out of clay would look like but he almost yeah a skeleton a zombie kind of thing like he just does just kind of grotesque yeah and uh yeah take it away well and that's when that's when they kind of discover that he has feelings for her because she she touches him and she holds him like she touches his shoulder and then she like holds his hand and then he kind of like breathes for a minute and calms down and once he kind of clears his head he slowly looks back to like Matt Hagan again.
00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:01.760
And um it just it's it's it's horrific because like I was really scared that scene scared me because I was waiting for a jump scare.
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:03.440
Yeah but there there never was one.
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:03.840
Right.
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Um but you you see her kind of turn the corner and just to the side of that door is that face which it looks like a mask it looks like a skeleton mask yeah at first and it it just it's so freaky but um there is one scene I want to talk about real quick.
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Oh yeah yeah it's when her her fiance comes to the door after Matt has killed everybody in the club yeah he comes in and and first off um Matt is in the bathtub that's that that scene that scene where he wipes it yeah uh and his her fiance comes to the door and um he is he's transformed into bat back to Matt now and he's starting to ask him questions he's like hey hey I just want to let you know that like Zabbo's dead his girlfriend's dead um everybody who's ever crossed you is dead yeah and he's like hey listen man I gotta be honest with you I don't feel anything like I I'm not sad about that yeah and he's like okay and like you know Corey's dead and somebody else is dead and he's like well um as far as I know the the guy had connections to the mafia but uh Corey's like yeah that breaks my heart but he betrayed me uh and so then they start talking about Caitlin because at this point in the film um Caitlin and Matt clearly have something like they have a little chemistry like he she's able to calm him down and bring him back and and just there's a tension there between Matt and her uh fiance that it feels like Clayface has already killed this full club full of people he could kill him right now he could and he does kill him later but um in the moment he's like is he gonna kill him right now yeah and it's like dude if you hadn't left that that room that apartment room door open you would probably be dead right now well because when he's in the bathtub I I I really want to think about this more okay because he's laying in that bathtub before like he the the fiance is knocking on the door and he's laying in the bathtub and his like his it's almost like this is the only moment he can relax all the the the nanites or whatever because he's just laying in the bathtub and it's like his skin is just sagging.
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He doesn't have eyes his his mouth is just kind of like drooping and it's just like a little like it's just a flat line of a of a mouth because he's just it's almost like he's just laying here and resting and the only way he can truly because when he's laying in bed sleeping he's not having nightmares and he's changing constantly right this is like the only time he can actually just rest and just let his body relax um which again this is the first time he's actually rested after all of these people who crossed him have been dead.
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Right.
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So maybe this is just like he just wants to rest in the bathtub naked where nothing can he can just just kind of like almost like spa day and just let the clay dangle you know what I mean but like um that's the words isn't it but but he he but like as soon as that door gets knocked on you know he wipes that face and and it and it kind of all fits back in.
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:05.679
So I wonder you know like is because I know in the show it's kind of like he has to work to hold himself together to look like a person.
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And I wonder if that's what it's becoming where it's just like he's getting to the point where it's just like it's becoming hard to hold himself together.
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You know and that would play into a theory I'm gonna spoil a little bit of creature commandos here for you.
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Clayface is one basically the main villain in the in the show and um there's a scene where he's basically in somebody's house and he's just like eating their food and like watching TV and stuff.
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Yeah and he's the full clay monster and and clayface James Gunn has confirmed this takes place a year before creature commandos and Superman so this is the prequel this is the origin story before we get there.
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And he's the big monster and he's just relaxing like playing video games and eating uh so that very well could be that he's the monster and that is his most relaxed form.
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.920
Um instead of trying to put on a face right whatever that might be.
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:02.800
Yeah um so yeah that could absolutely play into that theory but um I could see that he because he really is kind of just relaxing.
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I was trying to look at like his whole body composition to see like if he's like melting he was did you look at his feet?
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Yeah his feet it was kind of just like it was almost like the clay was just kind of like spreading at the bottom like if you if you have a ball of slime and you lay it on a table it will just kind of slowly flatten out is kind of what it reminded me of.
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Yeah um now I will say that the airplane scene going back to that real quick um I'm actually going to be getting on a plane in a few weeks.
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Hopefully you don't have any nanites in your body well well Paul I've got something to tell you um but I'm that's all I'm gonna be thinking about when I'm on the plane now is like if there's turbulence I'm like I can't go in the bathroom.
00:50:41.119 --> 00:51:08.000
Well also there's there has never been I've I've been on a flight I've been on like three or four flights total now um there's never been turbulence that bad okay like I don't be freaked out because I'm not freaked out because I was like dang of course what are they going through a freaking tornado right now it's like it's like and oh that was a very stressful scene well I'm I'm not worried about flying because uh as Superman has mentioned twice on screen statistically speaking flying still is the safest way to travel.
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:17.360
That's true but anyway I I don't know I I can't think of anything else I want to say for this movie.
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I'll give I'll give it I'll give it another bad thing.
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:19.599
Okay.
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I don't like the title uh the title like the tagline the well no no no no no like um when the movie starts and it has like the title screen it's like literally it just says clay face in the bottom left corner and it like fades in and fades out.
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:50.400
It's quick but I would I was kind of hoping for something a little bit more like exciting okay I've got I've got mixed feelings on this okay okay um as the title screen I've got no problem with it uh I've got no problem with it just kind of being small because if you bought a ticket to this movie you know what you're getting into.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.400
Yeah you you know you're you're on a clay face.
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Right.
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So uh I've got no problem with the title screen.
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However the in title screen uh the the final time you see the clay face it literally it's just clay face in big bold letters yeah um I would have liked something more clay related like the like the in the trailer the title in the trailer yeah like the title just like forms up or something yeah clay face yeah I would have liked something more there but uh it's not it's very it's nitpicky like right now we're nitpicking yeah because I because uh that's honestly the only critiques we can really give because there's it's very good film.
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:57.440
It is it it tells the origin story it makes you invested in the characters you're you're being moved along you see their motivations and what leads them to being who they become um and again like you can't really it i you have to come up with excuses for things that you you wanted in the movie in order for it to be a bad movie yeah um and that's that's a debate we could have but like it's not worth it really yeah well and even going in like the only thing I wanted was them to I wanted to be surprised.
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.199
Yeah because I'm I'm so tired of movies showing everything in the trailer.
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Right.
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And then because again I had watched the first two trailers and then I tried to not watch any more because I was like I don't want to see I want to go in like I want to see like I don't want them to show because they the only thing that they showed clayface transformation was the the shot from the back.
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.760
Yes where he's like getting bigger and it covers up the camera screen.
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Yeah.
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Um but like I again I was surprised with the look I was surprised with the ending I was surprised with the characters and the development and I can't think of any other crazy like moments that were just shocking but I mean I I think honestly this is like um this has been a good year for movies.
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It has been like we mean we've had what have we had this year?
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We've had Obsession or no we've had Iron Lung was first then we had Obsession then we had Backrooms then we had the Odyssey then we had Spider-Man then we had um if you want to say prime time I thought it kind of sucked but that's just me I got some listen we've got some listeners who might not like that oh really I think I think I'm pretty sure Logan and Austin themselves they they liked it.
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They liked it?
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I think so I could be wrong.
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Logan Austin if you if you guys watched it and you really like or hated it then just like let me know.
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But I'm pretty sure you guys said you liked it.
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I mean it looks good it's a it's a well shot well done film it's just I watch a lot of Chris Hanson I love watching him bust these child predators.
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.880
Yeah so like I just I know what I'm I know what I've been watching forever.
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:40.320
That wasn't him it was kind of you realize how this looks right yeah yeah you see how this looks right very narcissistic very I don't know it was weird it just I um but now we have clayface and I think um what's next is Avengers Avengers Doomsday is the only thing that's next but I'm very surprised with this movie.
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I hope DC does more I hope they you know I hope we get more clay face I hope we get a figure I hope we get like I want more merchandise.
00:54:48.320 --> 00:55:04.079
You did buy the cup today I did buy the cup they had so uh I didn't realize my theater was going to have this but they had um there's one cup and one popcorn bucket the popcorn bucket is just like a tin pretty much with a clay hand coming out of the popcorn you know like to hold your hand while you're scared for watching the movie.
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And then there was this freaky silicone cup of his face like all smushed.
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It's almost like I had a cup and dropped it and he's like oh my friend didn't I but I did buy the cup because the cup did look cool and I want to add it to my collection of uh popcorn stuff.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:27.039
So okay so from here I I want to ask you okay what are your thoughts on the future of the DCU now that you've seen this movie?
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Because there's as of right now there are rumors that the next movie that because if this movie does well they want to do more villain based movies.
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Deathstroke versus Bane is confirmed to be in the works and a poison ivy TV show is in the works or is rumored to be in the works.
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So I want to know your opinions on the future of the DCU villains wise and movies wise just any movie.
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I so I want to see more villains that we haven't seen.
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Okay.
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We've seen the Joker we've seen scarecrow I wouldn't mind saying scarecrow again we've seen Bane we've seen like I mean you know we've seen two face like I'm I want to see you know we've seen the ping one Riddler and the Riddler and we've seen Mr Freeze like Mr Freeze I was about to say but I I really want to see villains that we haven't seen Clayface is a villain I've I've wanted to see and this movie it it started to scratch the itch but it didn't fully scratch it.
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:40.559
So I'm hoping um as we've said is that I really hope that if they do another Batman movie they kind of use this because we know who this is now you know we know this character we've this this movie allowed us to fully invest ourselves in who this character is.
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:40.880
Right.
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And now I want to see more.
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You know that's always been my argument with like if they ever introduced Venom in the MCU is to do it slowly.
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Right.
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You know like introduce Venom at the end of a movie and then have him be the main villain in the next I think that's what this should do.
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:01.440
You know like we introduce Matt Hagen we show that he's this thing and next thing you know we're gonna see him being more influential or evil or whatever.
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Right, right.
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Right.
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So I I would like that to happen.
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That would be what I would wish for um because again I don't know what they're gonna do with Batman the Brave and the bold I know that plans have changed a little bit yeah they've they've gone through a couple creative differences so they're they're still working on it but this has not been revealed yet.
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But um I mean a a death stroke in Bane versus Bane does that happen in the comics not that I know of um I okay so uh continue giving your thoughts and then I'll give mine I I I think I think that as a concept is kind of don't do don't I don't know how to word this don't make things like Clayface.
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They didn't make clay face because they were like you know what we're just gonna make a clayface movie because we can make money and blah blah blah because you know that's what Sony did with Venom right they made a clayface movie because somebody wanted to tell that story they wrote it it made sense it works boom there's your movie right there there's passion in it keep these movies passion based allow them to be made with passion and and there's nothing wrong with connecting your films there's nothing wrong with well hey we have this great villain let's do something with him let's have him be in the Batman movie or let's have you know whatever I just I'm afraid that we won't see clayface again.
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That's kind of my my fear okay is because I don't want to like oh we have this amazing villain we saw what he looked like for you know two two shots real fast and whatever and now we're not gonna see him again.
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:34.719
That's my worry right um a Deathstroke and Bane movie eh I I mean eh I could care less really I I want to see more Batman stuff and I want to see villains we haven't seen.
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:35.760
I want to see Man Bat.
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I'd love to see Man Bat in a film.
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Hugo Strange is one we've never seen I would like to see Hugo Strange.
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I would like to see I mean I mean a poison ivy a poison ivy show could work is a live action yeah I mean it could work but I think we should I think they should stay away from TV shows or release them very very frequently because that's what Marvel did and it kind of got too out of hand.
00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:12.800
Like spaced out not frequently yeah sorry yeah I think they should release them very spaced because you know we've had lanterns is the only creature commandos and lanterns and you know I just it's villain movies are popular when they're done right just like any movie.
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And again this had passion this had this had purpose and this can go somewhere further but don't be making movies just because you know like you know again you can't have Bane without Batman so don't like or I don't think you can you could you could but Bane's most compelling aspect is that he fights Batman that he's the this surprise villain to Batman's life that takes over I don't know I think again I want to see more of what we got um but for my first official DC film that James Gunn has been kind of head of really good movie.
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I really digged it definitely if it's not better than Joker it's pretty close.
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Okay.
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Alright so I'll give my opinions now uh on like the future of the DCU villain movies stuff like that um and that is I I I don't really care about a Deathstroke and Bane movie but convince me I agree with that convince me convince me uh and if you can convince me I'll watch it um Poison Ivy I don't think we really need a Poison Ivy show I'd rather had a different character have a show but again convince me every poison ivy action figure comes complete with him I'll never forget that dude it stays in my head all the time I but okay here's my worry with the DCU okay okay I loved loved loved Superman I'm super excited for man of tomorrow next year um I'm so worried that we won't get Superman again for a while um but let's see other villains outside of just Batman uh I would be okay with other villains other villains uh that that aren't just Batman villains oh okay sorry sorry sorry I was like Batman's not a villain no no no he is in my book I hate Batman um but like let's see I don't know I I know we are getting like Mr.
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Miracle uh we're getting him so we'll probably get dark side soon um I don't know like Lex the Nicholas Holt did such a good job with Lex I wouldn't mind a Lex series honestly I don't know how you would do Lex without Superman but um you'd kind of really need that because Lex's whole thing is that he hates Superman yeah um but there's other characters I mean you could really explore and you could do something good out there.
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Sinestro he was really built up well in lanterns I think and I think uh you could do a really great animated series with how Jordan's first mission where he has to fight Sinestro you could do something great with that.
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:53.119
Um so but but that's my thing too is give us passionate projects that's what separates you from Marvel because Marvel is now I hate to say it but Marvel now is basically slot.
01:01:53.199 --> 01:02:05.599
It's yeah it's the it's the industry train we have to we have to pump out another movie and another movie and another series and another movie and it's all gonna be connected and it's all gonna lead to this big thing and you've all you've really got to care.
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.760
But I don't you when you do that I stop caring.
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:21.519
I stopped caring yeah um as you're a consumer but because you care I'll watch it right uh so that's my that's my point I I just I really like what James Gunn has done so far.
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I've not watched Supergirl so I don't know uh this movie makes me want to go rewatch creature commandos which I really like my wife Gabriella she loved creature commandos um maybe I'm talking a lot about Superman because I've seen it uh I watched it five times in the theaters and uh I loved I loved I need to watch it still I still haven't seen it and I've probably watched it five more times since it comes to streaming in fact I was watching it last night um so Gabriella's like she she literally said are you seriously watching that again I'm like I love this movie it's so good um that's where you've always been wrong anyways um but but no I I I that's that's my hope is just keep working on passionate projects and you'll get people like you who's not a big DC fan to care about your project and that's what we need as DC fans.
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Well and I and I also I'll argue this too is I think it's important for all of these films and these stories like there's nothing wrong with them existing in the same universe.
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:19.679
Right.
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:25.840
Right there's nothing wrong with you know Bruce Wayne picking up a newspaper talking about something that happened in Metropolis.
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:41.360
Yeah but I think it's important to also keep this in mind with the cons with the with the constant state of superhero movies and you know there's superhero fatigue I think I think there is superhero fatigue but I also think there isn't there's a there's a middle ground with I think there's superhero fatigue with bad superhero stories.
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.960
Yes but I also think that there's fatigue with oh I have to watch this.
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:45.280
Yes.
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:54.960
Because being a comic book fan right forever like at least me I can I can't speak for everybody else but I can speak for myself is that I like what I like and I don't like what I don't.
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:55.280
Right.
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:59.440
And there's some times where it's just like you know like sometimes like I'm not a big supergirl fan.
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.280
I've just I'm I don't hate her but I don't like her.
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I've just there's just nothing I don't feel there's nothing that makes me want to jump into that pool.
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:24.880
Sure they could convince me but it's just there's you know like but I'm really glad that like with Clayface which again we're at the beginning of his universe so it hasn't got to that point yet but I hope it doesn't is I hope that they continue to be like well you know what I don't have to watch Superman and uh Supergirl and lanterns to watch Clayface.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:25.119
Right.
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I don't have to watch any of those you know maybe if they do a Batman film that's something I want to bring up but sorry continue.
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I was just saying if they do like a Batman film sure you should watch Clayface to watch the Batman film because Clayface is in the is a villain of that or whatever.
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:47.280
I think that like you should be able to stick with your little area you know like if you like Batman and you just want to watch Batman you can just stick with that.
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:50.480
And then there of course there's always gonna be references to the bigger the bigger picture.
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That's how comic books are anyway.
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Right.
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But like I don't I I hope that it doesn't get to the point where it's like I have to watch 50 movies to prepare for this event movie.
01:04:59.440 --> 01:04:59.599
Right.
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Right?
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Or like I wish I could just watch it and just kind of because that's the way I am with Marvel.
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.280
Like I'm not caught up with Marvel at all.
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:05.599
Yeah.
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And you know like uh people are like have you seen the new vision quest?
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Have you seen this?
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Have you and I'm like I just don't I just don't care.
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:14.639
I just think I watch Spider-Man and I watch Doomsday.
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:24.800
I watch Spider-Man and I watch Doomsday but I'm not eh you know I just don't I don't I don't I'm at the point where I don't care to watch all of these other things to prepare for this movie that I may or may not even like.
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:25.280
Right.
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:32.320
So Clayface was great because I didn't have to prepare anything to watch it I just went in and watched it and I'm excited to see what where it could go.
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.559
I hope they continue with Clayface.
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:43.679
I I mean sure you don't have to make a sequel you could make a sequel but I hope that but you don't need to you don't they don't it doesn't need a sequel but I I want more of this character.
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.719
I want to see more of Clayface whether that's by himself or whether that's fighting Batman I'm down for both.
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:58.000
But I just hope that I guess in my opinion that I can watch and consume DC stuff without having to watch and consume all of it.
01:05:58.239 --> 01:05:59.599
Because you know I'm not a Green Laner guy.
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.960
Been a Green Lantern guy.
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.280
But like I don't want to watch Green Lantern to watch Batman and Clayface fight.
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.000
You know what I mean?
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.880
Well, I think I think what you need to focus on as DC is your characters.
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.840
Focus on your characters and the develop your characters.
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:14.559
That's okay.
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.079
So I'm gonna argue a case for lanterns right now because I like lanterns.
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.840
Um Green Lantern is is uh I like him.
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.480
He's not like top five characters, but I like him.
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:37.360
Um Lanterns, I think, is a lot of Green Lantern fans are upset because you don't see the the light show, you don't see the um you know the spectacle, you don't see the them in space fighting intergalactic threats.
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:45.679
Use it's a very grounded story, but I think lanterns does well because it's it's a character-focused story, not uh spectacle focused.
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:46.239
Right.
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.559
Uh and so that's why I think it does good, and I think that's why Clayface is good.
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.679
It's not focused on the spectacle, it's focused on the characters.
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.079
Yeah, same thing I think with Superman.
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:07.599
It's yeah, there's spectacle, there's heroism, but at the core it's uh it's a question that it's a movie that asks a question, you know, uh, but it's also a movie that's focused on your characters.
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:07.920
Yeah.
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.840
So you you know, continue to do that.
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:19.039
But uh again with Clayface, um, speaking of an intercollect uh interconnected universe, um, they're in Coast City a lot of the times.
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:25.920
And uh so speaking of lanterns, Coast City is the city where Green Lantern is the main hero.
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.239
So they're there, like, but you don't see they don't mention Green Lantern.
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.599
Like if you're a comic fan, you're like, oh, they're in Coast City, that's cool.
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:34.960
And they come back to Gotham.
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.000
You don't see Batman, they don't even make reference to Batman.
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:43.760
I was fully expecting them to be like, hey, yeah, well, we were gonna take care of that, but you know, the bat took care of it or something.
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:44.880
I thought there was a reference like that.
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:45.920
I I didn't catch it.
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:46.480
I thought there was.
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.360
I thought someone said there was something where it's like, oh, the bat guy.
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.360
What are you, the bat guy in Gotham or something like that?
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:59.679
May maybe, but I yeah, if if so, but um but but still the the point's there is like if that if that is in the movie, then it's it's one reference.
01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:06.880
Yeah, and again, that's that's good because it's like it's just it's just a a reminder that hey this is all a big this is a big world, you know.
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:15.440
And and again, reading comics is like if you pick up a Spider-Man comic, they might mention like, oh hey, like man, I'd love to be like Captain America one day.
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.680
Okay, well, I don't that doesn't mean I have to go read Captain America to see what he's doing right now.
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:28.960
I'm I'm reading a Spider-Man story that's focused on the character rather rather than the fact that this belongs in the main Marvel universe.
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:29.600
Right.
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.239
Um, but yeah, I I think DC's doing it well.
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:33.680
I think Clayface is great.
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:36.720
I I think the future of the DCU looks good.
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.399
Um I'd honestly say it was a masterpiece.
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.399
Would you uh we want to give our rating?
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:50.640
Do we want to do our real takes our real takes rating where it's like uh I'm still in this for my other show because you know it's kind of part of my idea too.
01:08:50.720 --> 01:09:01.439
So um what we do is we do like if we're if we're rating, I don't know, if we're rating transformers, we'll say I give this um five matrix of leaderships.
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:09.279
Yeah, I give this I give this ten uh ten ladies man two one sevens out of ten ladies man two one sevens, you know, whatever.
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.840
So uh what would be your rating for the clayface?
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:17.359
Um I'm gonna go with five Matt Hagen scars out of five.
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.680
Five Matt Hagen scars out of five.
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:20.239
Okay, okay.
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:25.039
Um I mean I could on if one we're just rating, I'd say like an A eight and a half out of ten.
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:25.439
Okay.
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:26.800
But but yeah.
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:37.840
I give this um uh I give this a I'm gonna I'm gonna rate it out a out of five too.
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:38.239
Okay.
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.479
Or well, yeah, I'll rate it out of five.
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:48.960
I give this four and a half um well I don't think that's fair.
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:50.800
Well, no, no, I'm gonna give it four and a half.
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.319
I'm gonna give it four and a half.
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.520
Um I guess four and a half would be a better rating for the thing.
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:56.640
What was what what would I do?
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:57.520
Hang on, give me a second.
01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:58.000
Give me a second.
01:09:58.479 --> 01:09:59.119
Explain your rating.
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.880
So so I I again that there's really not anything to complain about.
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:07.199
Um and and I and I always do this with every movie that I watch.
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:11.920
I always initially give it a lower score than what I will give it later.
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:12.159
Yeah.
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.479
And I do that because just in case like later on, I'm like, oh, you know what?
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.079
This actually was a part I didn't like.
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:18.720
I need more time.
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.399
We're we're coming fresh out of the theater.
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:22.319
I mean, we literally it's six o'clock.
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:23.600
We went in at two.
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:24.000
Yeah.
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.399
So like it's it's just been a few hours.
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.439
So like I'm gonna give it an initial lower score.
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:37.359
But if we come back next week when we do our absolute Batman 25 review, if I'm like, hey, I've been thinking about Clayface, and honestly, I'd bump it up to a nine.
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:37.760
Yeah.
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:50.880
Because I need time to continue to digest it, but I'm gonna give it a lower score because I'd rather give it a lower score starting out and then move up rather than give it a higher score, and the longer I think about like I did with Rise of Skywalker.
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:52.079
Like I did with Venom.
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:53.680
Yeah, I walked out and three.
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:54.640
This was a great movie.
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:55.199
I loved it.
01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:01.439
And and and then you revisit it years later and you're like, dang, yeah, I really like this movie, and this sucks.
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:12.159
So I would rather give it a lower score so that way if there's something I think of that I didn't like, um, I can I can bump it down and feel comfortable with my rating, yeah, rather than move it up.
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:17.600
So so I'm giving it four and a half self-sustained relationships out of five.
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:23.520
Because you know, he'd be self he handled in the relationship both sides all by himself.
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:27.119
Um and the only reason I give it a four and a half out of I don't give this a perfect five.
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:34.640
And I'm just the only reason is because um they did somewhat say that like you were gonna get to see Monster Clayface in this.
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.680
And we did, but not to the extent I wanted.
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:45.680
I I and I I hate to I I'm just giving it a little bit of a nunch down on the rating scale, just because it's like I really wanted to see a full scene with Monster Clayface.
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.760
So I actually think I sent you something earlier.
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.039
Let me see if I can find it real quick.
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:49.359
Okay.
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:54.000
Um, but if you want to continue, explain anything else that you're thinking about, real quick, why why I do this.
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.720
Do you want me to continue on that point or um well if your internet Ah, here it is.
01:11:58.800 --> 01:11:59.199
I got a quote.
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:00.159
Okay, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:07.680
So um they the CBFC, um the Central Board of Film Certification, uh gave Clayface an A.
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.399
But only after they made these changes, uh there was nudity cuts.
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:17.840
Five second shot was removed, another 19 seconds of nudity was skipped uh snipped.
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:25.840
Um one scene features um Mia Torres um zoomed in on another character to conceal nudity.
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.520
There was face smashing visuals modified in two places to make it less gruesome.
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:36.720
Uh the word mother uh was volunte was removed.
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:44.720
Uh static anti-alcohol and anti-drug messages were added whenever applicable, and the they gave the movie an A.
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:53.359
Um, so there were some changes that uh and maybe the body the full transformation might have been a little bit um more gore.
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:54.239
Oh man, I'd like it.
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.279
And so they maybe cut that in order to maintain that rating.
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:58.479
Director's cut.
01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:59.840
I want a director's cut right now.
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.640
Give me a director's cut, put all that in there.
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:03.760
I want to see it all.
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.720
I want to see, I want to see the full passion, baby.
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.079
I want to see the full picture.
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:09.119
Director's cut.
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:09.760
I will buy it.
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.199
If you put it out there, I'll buy it.
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:11.680
Anyway.
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.920
Oh, the still the like the the special case for this could be it's just like clay.
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.920
But anyways, I yeah, I I would I four and a half.
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.920
Uh I I give it four and a half.
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:26.880
I just I I would have liked to see, first of all, I would have liked to seen all of whatever all that was.
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:27.279
Yeah.
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:29.600
It it maybe there's a reason for it to be cut.
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:30.079
I don't know.
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:31.439
I wasn't there to see the full cut.
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.960
I mean, if it's just nudity for the sake of nudity, it's most it's most of nudity, you know.
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.079
We got we did get a couple nude scenes which were nice, but um, you know.
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:40.319
You're gonna leave that into the show.
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:41.359
I'm just joking.
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:42.880
It's just a joke, it's just a joke.
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:49.600
Um, but uh I think that um I I wish we could have got a more clay monster.
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:50.479
I wish we could have seen more.
01:13:50.560 --> 01:14:00.880
I wish there could have been, I was hoping that there would be some kind of a fight between uh Caitlin and and Clayface, because at that point I was just like, oh my gosh, he's he's clayfacing out what is about to happen.
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.199
This is about to get bad, and then it just kind of ended.
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.159
So so that's my only that's my only reason for my ranking.
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:15.760
So subjectively speaking, then, is that more of a uh a nitpick, or is that more like I'm actually critiquing the film and and this is my problem?
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:20.079
Because because looking at the film for me, it's like most of my complaints are nitpicks.
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:29.680
The same thing for for um no uh Brand New Day is like everything I have is really just like personal preferences, nitpicks, and not a an actual criticism of the film.
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.359
I would argue that that's a nitpick.
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.039
I think it's just I I want more.
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:39.600
And I hate I I I and I I don't want to rank something lower just because I want more, because that's not that's unfair.
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:39.920
Right.
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:46.319
Um, but again, I th I just wish that we could have gotten more of the of the kind of the the cake, right?
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.960
Like this is the sauce of what we were supposed to get is monster clay face, more of the clay, right?
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:52.800
Yeah, like like bean dip.
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:54.880
Giant monster of bean dip.
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:59.119
I would have liked to get more bean dip out of this, you know, Mexican restaurant of a movie.
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.680
Gabbro's dad really makes some good bean dip.
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.880
I really want to I think I have some bean dip in the closet in there.
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.359
I might have to crack open the bean dip after this.
01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:15.119
But but I I still think that it if if if I don't count that, I'd give it five stars because it's it's really good, really well done.
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:16.960
I do feel for all the characters.
01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:21.279
The story is fast in some places, but it does build when it needs to.
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:27.359
You see the horrors of what he's becoming, and then finally we see the overall monster that he has become.
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.800
Very good movie.
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:30.720
Well, I might go see it again.
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:37.119
I would like to go see it again um if I can, but uh definitely will be a physical media purchase for my collection.
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.479
One one last thing I'd like to talk about is even like the cinematography.
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:47.279
So I've not watched The Batman, of course, as we've already established, but one thing I will give the Batman props for is that it feels it looks beautiful.
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:49.600
Oh, it's a beautifully shot film.
01:15:50.079 --> 01:16:00.479
And this movie, from the clips that I have seen of the Batman, this movie kind of captures that same like warm ambiance that um that that the Batman has.
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:00.800
Yeah.
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.760
And I I like that.
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:03.279
I like that feel for Gotham.
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:10.720
Because Superman, I think, what does again like the the feel of each movie, each project has been different.
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.079
Yeah, and I really like that.
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:21.279
And and I I'm not a filmmaker, um, you are, but I just think like the feel of this movie is really well done as well.
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:23.279
But um, that's my final thoughts.
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:25.600
But there there's definitely a lot of chilling moments.
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.720
Uh, there was one moment where when they're injecting that giant syringe in his face.
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.600
Oh, right in his mouth.
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:35.680
You yeah, you were like, you were like, and I was in my head going, the needle's going inside of the bottle, the needle's going inside of the bottle.
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:36.960
Like it's not this, this is fake.
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:42.000
This is like I was just I was having to psych myself out so it wouldn't, because it was, it's it's very gruesome.
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.159
And I think all of it's very good for the movie.
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.640
It fits, it works, it's needed, it's necessary.
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.520
Yeah, there was never a moment where it's like, okay, this is too much.
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:51.039
It never felt like too much, right?
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:51.279
Right.
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:56.399
So honestly, like don't take your kids to go watch this, but go by yourself.
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:56.640
Yeah.
01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:02.159
And if uh if you like my girlfriend, if you do not like body horror, this is not a body horror.
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:05.359
If you if that is a fear or a phobia you have, this is not a movie for you.
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.359
This is very body horror-driven, it's very gory, it's very gross.
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:21.279
So um, but um, as we said at the theater, we went into one of Clay, we went into your friend's sister-in-law, and we we said we were like, we're watching a boy movie because they were watching some stupid girl movie.
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:22.640
Sense and sensibility, yeah.
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:23.680
Boy movie.
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.119
This is this is very boy movie.
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.119
Go out with your buddies, go see this with your friends.
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:28.560
This is not a date night movie.
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.319
This is very graphic, but um, again, very good film.
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:32.800
Yeah.
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:34.560
So I enjoyed it.
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.560
Well, Paul, uh, we'll be back, Lord willing, next week.
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:38.960
Yes.
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:40.880
With uh why'd you say it like that?
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.840
Well, just in case something was to come up and we don't have to.
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.399
You're like, as long as you don't die, we'll be back.
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.199
Well, that's not what that's not what I'm that's not what I mean.
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:53.439
I'm just saying, like, you know, just in case something comes up and we're not able to.
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:58.960
Uh in case you, you know, so some mafia boss comes in and cuts up your face and you experiment with it.
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:02.960
Um cuts my hair.
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:07.520
Um I I need a haircut, but anyway.
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:08.399
Dude, I do too.
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.800
But next week we'll be talking about Absolute Batman 25.
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:13.600
I just ordered another cover today, my tenth cover.
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.800
My tenth variant cover for this book.
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:17.439
But yes.
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:26.159
So be sure to come back again next week and hear our Absolute Batman breakdown and review along with Transformers, uh, Venom number one.
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:27.920
Midnight Spider-Man.
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:28.960
Midnight Spider-Man.
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.079
We'll have some big stuff next week.
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:30.960
It's gonna be a big week.
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:36.159
It's gonna be a big, a nice little let's close the door on October because man, October has been a big month for us.
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:38.239
And then November we'll have some big stuff.
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.880
We oh yes, I forgot about those things.
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:41.680
Yeah.
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:43.520
So we'll wait to announce that.
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.039
But thank you guys so much for listening.
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:46.560
Um, this has been Beyond the Pool list.
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:47.119
My name is Paul.
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:49.439
My name's Clayton, and we'll see you next week.
