Unorthodox and Brazen: Julia Haart uncovered & unfiltered

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. She is a me and I'm so excited.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's just dive in, stay duned. Julia Heart's coming up next.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm incredibly excited for my next guest. I'm obsessed with her, her life, her show, the children so much.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome the co owner and.
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Speaker 2: CEO of Elite World Group and star of My Unorthodox Life.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome Julia Hart.
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Speaker 4: Hi everybody, Thank you so much for having me on. I'm so happy to be here.
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Speaker 2: I am so excited to hear you Know. What's crazy is I heard about the show. I mean I might be a little late to the party, but like a few weeks ago because one of my friends was just obsessed with it and I started watching, and I couldn't believe how many parallels you and I have in our lives. I mean, both born in the Jewish faith, both have four children, you know, and yet and yet very and both East Coast but like very very different at the same time.
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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of.
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Speaker 2: You know, and I've one of my daughters is bisexual. Ones get like.
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Speaker 1: There's a lie. Yeah, there's a lot of parallels.
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Speaker 2: And I thought, gosh, isn't it so interesting to connect with people in these different ways and realize how much we all actually have in common.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you said it perfectly. But units this is so much greater than what divides us. You know, we need to focus on the love. I know that sounds goofy, but it's true.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't.
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Speaker 2: And what really resonated with me, and I want to talk about the book and everything you have going on, and I just find your stories so inspiring and so fascinating. The thing that resonated with me first is when you were talking about fundamentalism, because you know people.
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Speaker 1: I remember, I don't even think.
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Speaker 2: I had seen, you know, anyone from the Orthodox community until I moved to Los Angeles from New York, so I didn't really understand. It seemed like a whole different world. But fundamentalism you were saying, of any kind is just it's it's not good, and.
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Speaker 4: It's the same meaning. The same rules that govern my life govern the life of women who are living fundamentalists, Muslim communities, fundamentals, Christian communities, fundamentalist Hindoo communities. It isn't about religion at all. I think Judaism, Christianity, ism, they're all beautiful. It's when people go to the extreme and use God as an excuse to tell women that their purpose in life is to be subservient to men. That's where you got That's where I have an issue, and it is a global issue, you know. That's the reality. It isn't particular to my community, right, community, it exists, but it exists in communities all around the world.
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Speaker 2: It's so true, and even in smaller ways, like I remember growing up, you know, we were reformed, and so you know, we were I would joke we were like twice a year Jews, you know, like hypologizes. But I remember, like my mom and my aunt, she will kill me for saying this. But like there were like they had their own rules, you know, like everyone should be bar bat mitzvah. But like people that got confirmed were weird or you don't, like everyone had their own Who cares.
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Speaker 1: Let everyone do what they want to do and what feels good.
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Speaker 4: But see in the world that I come from, the you know, being judgmental is not only a want to, it's a have to. Meaning why because the example given is we're all on this boat, right and if somebody sins, it's a hole in the boat. And if you don't stop up that hole, we're all going to drown. So it's everybody's responsibility to censure everybody else and tell everyone else what they're doing wrong, because otherwise the boat's sinking. So that engenders constant judgment, constant you know. I don't want to give away pieces of the book, but there's a story in my book that, you know, it just kind of encapsulates that whole kind of thinking.
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Speaker 5: I was in my community, you know, as a.
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Speaker 4: Religious woman with my shadele the whole nine yards. It was getting nails done, and this young woman next to me in a shade all right in the wig, obviously a religious woman from my community, is sitting in the chair next to me, crying hysterically, very pregnant, very very pregnant crying. And I turned to her, even though I didn't know her, and I said, oh my gosh, there's everything okay, you're not feeling well. I thought it was somehow related to the pregnant. And she bursts out, crying even more and pours out that this woman came over to her in a in one of the religious grocery stores, right because your shop in a Gosier grocery store in the community, and in front of everyone at the supermarket, started yelling at her because her maternity outfit wasn't loose enough, and so you could see the outline of her stomach. And she dreamed that this poor young woman, who is by the way, nineteen years old and pregnant, that her baby is going to have a damaged soul because.
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Speaker 5: Of her lack of modesty.
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Speaker 4: So here is a teenage girl pregnant, crying hysterically because she was publicly who in a supermarket because her dress was too tight, and I felt so terrible. And then wait, it gets crazier. My daughter comes home from school. She was in high school at the time, but chea the same day, all upset, and I asked her what's wrong, and she said, well, I don't know.
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Speaker 5: Something really upset me today. And I asked her what it was.
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Speaker 4: She said, well, the teacher came in and she told us the story how she met this young woman in a supermarket. It was my daughter's teacher, and my went to the class and told them with pride, how she publicly humiliated this young woman and saved this child's soul by ensuring that from now on, the mother will dress more muss.
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Speaker 2: And this is the and this is the person that you're sending. You know, we send our children to school for you know, eight hours a day, and this is who is like influencing your child?
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Speaker 5: That's correct. That's what my daughter was taught was good.
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Speaker 4: This was something that she said with pride while I sat in a chair and a thing watching this poor young teenage girl crying her heart out because he or she was doing everything she was taught, covering every part of her.
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Speaker 5: Body pregnant in nineteen and.
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Speaker 4: That wasn't enough because she wasn't modest enough, because her stomach. You can be pregnant, but showing you're pregnant, well that's a problem.
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Speaker 1: So answer this for me. So you know from what I understand.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, you know I haven't been in a situation like this this, but you know, when you're brought up in a community like this, it's.
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Speaker 3: All you know.
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Speaker 1: So you were so young when you went into this life, it was all you knew. How does your opinion start changing?
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Speaker 4: So, you know, my entire life, I couldn't. There was such a massive dichotomy between who I was as a human being and who I was taught.
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Speaker 5: I was supposed to be great. Clothing are meant to conceal.
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Speaker 4: Women are supposed to be behind the scenes, right, Colcluda basmele panina. The beauty of a woman is when she's inside. Right, we're supposed to be inside, behind the scenes. We're not supposed to be the rabbis or the scholars. We're not allowed to learn tomic. We're all supposed to be behind the scenes. So as a woman who's outspoken, not shy, creative, creative and loves to learn, loves intellectual pursuit, to be told you're not allowed to study this, but no, no, don't read that. No, no, don't read that. Your mind's too light. Sorry, guys, my mind's not light at all. You feel that something's wrong with you because you look around you. All the other women are happy, every telling babies, they have fulfilling lives, They're okay, what's wrong with you that it's not enough? Why can't you just shut up like everybody else? Do you know how many times I was told, Julia, why can't you just do X like everybody else? Why? Why do you need to learn with tomorrow? That's not going to help you have babies? What's your problem? So it's not until my daughter started asking those questions as a five year old, because my life I thought, okay, something's wrong with me. I'm an adult. I can't make it work. I'm bad.
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Speaker 5: Right, it's you against God.
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Speaker 1: Right, of course.
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Speaker 4: But then when my five year old started saying, I'm not allowed to play sports because a man might see my knees, why is that my problem?
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Speaker 2: And she was wait, was that Batscheva or is that Miriam?
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Speaker 5: Miriam? Miriam saved my life?
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Speaker 4: Hands down. She gave me permission to say out loud the things that I've been thinking for the last thirty years of my life. And she did it in a way that enabled me to admit to myself that it wasn't that I was flawed, it's the system. Was Yeah, she saved my life.
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Speaker 1: And then but here you are.
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Speaker 2: You're a mother of four and Batscheva was getting mad married and you know you've got three other kids. And Aaron was so little, I mean, how is he? How old was he when when Butcheva got married?
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Speaker 4: So on right now is fifteen years old? All right? And he and I left and so they got married in twenty twelve, So twenty twelve.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of math.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot of math.
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Speaker 5: Six years old, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Little, So what's your deciding moment? Because there are some people that would wait till all the kids left, which I don't condone that sort of thing. I think, you know, life is short and you have to do. But were you worried about because you knew but Cheva was gonna be okay because she was married, I mean, and she was happy or seemed happy. But now you've got these other three kids. Were you worried about leaving them?
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Speaker 4: There?
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Speaker 2: Were you going to be allowed to take them? Tell me about that whole process.
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Speaker 4: So I'm a planner. You know, I love a plan. I always have a plan, A, a plan, B, a plan seat. Everything has to know I think is this step going to help my plan or harmline?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 4: And so when I.
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Speaker 5: Left, I knew I wasn't leaving without my kids. But I had to be smart about it.
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Speaker 4: Because generally when women from my community leave, they lose their children. So I really couldn't wait another day, honestly, And again I speak about it even more in the book because miriamouldn't have survived it. I saw her soul getting crushed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
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Speaker 4: I would have come home every day and say I want to be a boy and I and this wasn't like a sexual question. It was a boys are allowed to play sports, I'm not. Boys are allowed to do this, I'm not. Boys are told they can do this, I'm not. It was you know. When she left and went to San Francisco, she wrote me a sentence that I probably use a thousand times a day. She said, Emma, thank you for taking me from a world of no to a world because that's what it was, a world of non that is just crazy.
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Speaker 1: All right, so you've got to get your ducks in a row.
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Speaker 2: You need money, you start working, I think as an insurance agent, right, okay.
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Speaker 1: So how do you do this? On the slide? I mean it feels so crazy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you sneak around and have a job and open a bank account when you're not even allowed to be outside.
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Speaker 4: It's a book called Braves. Yeah, it's such a complished story. Like you know, I remember reading Who's I can't remember his name. He's like one of the most renowned investor like genius financial minds. He said. People always say I built my fortune overnight, but they don't realize this overnight took thirty years.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: It was Warren Buffett that said that he.
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Speaker 4: Was Warren Buffett. So that's what it's like. People don't realize. It took me eight years from the minute I decided I wanted to leave till I walked out the door. It didn't happen like I didn't say, okay, I'm leaving, and then I got out, and then I started a shoe rand and that it was.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't work like that, right, and thousands of mistakes.
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Speaker 4: I got myself into the most bizarre situations because I didn't know anything about anything. You know, I had no past, I had no friends, I had no relationships I could fall back on.
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Speaker 5: I had no reputation to fall back on.
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Speaker 4: I was a zero.
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Speaker 5: I didn't exist in the outside world before twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 4: So the process of all of that, honestly, it's in the book because it's impossible to talk about any.
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Speaker 1: But years years.
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Speaker 2: It's really yeah, and I yeah, you hear stories about women like in abusive relationships and all different kinds of relationships sort of like getting their shit together so that they can get out of there, and god, I mean just the planning of it all. And but you know, you knew what you needed to do to get out of there, and then I'm so curious, like once you finally leave, like do you pack a bag, do you need anything from there?
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Speaker 4: Do you take anything? It was? You know what it's again, You've got it, And I feel bad keep on saying, because you know, think about it, the show is about my presence.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's a reason for.
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Speaker 4: That, because the past there's no short way to you know, it wouldn't do justice to the story, and it would make all the women who have walked out the door and suffer tremendously. It would make them seem less then, because it would you know, it's so gut wrenching. I was such a mess. Yeah, you're me now, confident, smiling, happy.
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Speaker 5: I was a shit show. I didn't know what work I was doing.
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Speaker 4: I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 5: I was literally a time traveler. I was walking into the world. I knew nothing about.
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Speaker 4: You know, I got roofed in a bar and hm, you know it's all in the book, right because no one i'd never heard about.
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Speaker 1: You didn't know because I no one taught you. By the way, that's so crazy.
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Speaker 2: To you because like one of my big lessons with the kids, especially with my girls. I'm like, don't ever leave your drink unattended. It's like something we talk about all the time because back in my.
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Speaker 1: Day, you know, you could.
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Speaker 2: Like put your drink down and go on the dance floor and then come back and just worry that it wasn't cleaned off right. But those kinds of things, those life skills, you didn't have those life skills.
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Speaker 4: I did not, And by the way, I didn't even understand what it happened to me.
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Speaker 5: It was such an out of the body experience.
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Speaker 4: I had no idea. It was only like six months afterwards that someone was talking about were Hypno and then the life of but off in my head, I said, oh, yeah, now I understand.
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Speaker 5: But that's how clueless I was.
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Speaker 4: I was forty three years old and I didn't know about rhymnal. I never heard about I just knew nothing. Like people don't understand what that feels like. It's really it's it's only I think possible to live through. It's very difficult thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the way you just described it as a time traveler, that that makes it very clear, because you know, you watch a movie and you see someone go to a different period of time and you're like, they have no idea, Like if someone came from the past, they wouldn't know what a what an atm was, or what you know, anything a cell phone anything like that.
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Speaker 1: I did you have cell phones.
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Speaker 4: So in my community there's a whole gradation. It depends your level of jula. Religiosity is equal to your level of disconnectedness. So the more religious you are, the more disconnected you are. So when I first, you know, my family has no television, no radio, no magazine, no newspaper. They have something called a Koucher phone, which has no Internet service. Right, it's just phone calls in and out. Okay, of course, as I progress, so like that's the way I raised Batshava and Shloka, Miriam and I because by the time they were older. Don't forget, I was doing that eight year period. So in that eight years we've got a television. I started reading secular literature. So their upbringing was very different than Badshava and Schlom was because as I became more disillusioned with the world I was in, I was allowing us more and more.
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Speaker 5: Connectivity to the world outside.
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Speaker 4: But when I say connectivity, you have to think of the fact that if you watch someone eating if you'd never taste of chocolate before, and you watch someone eating chocolate and they described chocolate to you and they showed it to you, would you not have chocolate tasted.
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Speaker 1: No, no clue.
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Speaker 4: The only way to actually know how chocolate taste is is to taste chocolate.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: And So all those years that I was, you know, reading, and I literally I read everything I could get. I used to have this recurring nightmare this library, and I would finish one room and then the next room would appear. And that was my fear that I just wouldn't be able to learn enough. I wouldn't be able to learn quickly enough to survive in the outside world. So I became a voracious reader. I read.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Voltaire, Loch, Spinoza, you name it, I've read it.
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Speaker 4: You know, my daughters in Stanford, my son just graduated Columbia.
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Speaker 5: They sent me their reading list.
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Speaker 4: I still haven't.
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Speaker 5: Gotten a book I haven't read yet. So I mean that's how I educated myself.
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Speaker 4: But even with all that, you're still having someone explain to you a chocolate taste, Like, right, there's some things that you cannot find.
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Speaker 5: In the pages of a book, just because you know.
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Speaker 4: I always say, if you watch hundreds of hours, eight years of documentaries on how to deep sea dive, doesn't make you a deep sea diver.
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Speaker 2: No, And so what was your husband saying at the time, Because he there had to be pushback to all.
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Speaker 4: Of this, he thought, no, he just thought I lost my mind. He thought I'd literally just lost my mind.
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Speaker 1: So he allowed you, so he aloud.
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Speaker 4: And here's the beautiful thing. The beautiful thing is my husband is my ex husband is a lovely human being. There was never a moment and you see it in the book where I thought he was the problem. Okay, because he wasn't the problem. It's what he was taught. He was supposed to do as a husband, that was the problem. He's as much a victim as I am.
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Speaker 5: He was taught he was supposed to police me.
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Speaker 4: He was taught that I was supposed to cook the food and serve the food, but not talk at the table when men were there. He was taught that I was supposed to sleep with a covering on my hair even while I was sleeping, because the walls of my house shouldn't see my nakeds it was his job to be my policeman, and so I never felt any anger Toad, it's him. I never felt any anger toes anyone, honestly, because I realized it isn't there are no villains, right the laws, and those laws existed in this world. Two hundred years ago I was reading and not even two hundred years ago, I was reading this book about Greer what's her first name, germane Germaine Greer of the you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Big.
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Speaker 4: You know who was fighting for the right to vote for women in the nineteen twenties. And she talks about the fact that in the nineteen seventies, you a woman wasn't allowed to get a mortgage on her own, she needed a man to cosign. They weren't allowed to wear pants and the BBC. These things existed everywhere in the world except the world said, Hey, these laws are wrong, they need to change. My world has not. That's why I call it time traveling, because basically I lived in what the rest of the world did in the eighteen hundreds.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's it's just amazing, just amazing. But it makes sense when you build it out like that. But to to live in that world and come out. I mean, what a crazy transition. I can't wait to read your book.
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Speaker 3: By the way.
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Speaker 2: But so all right, so like tell me something funny, like what's the first thing what did you buy chocolate?
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Speaker 1: Like, what was the first thing that.
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Speaker 4: Really funny that you bought? So again, there's just some things you can't read in the pages of the book.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: So when Sylvia and I, you know, we were your husband, my my new husband. When we when we were engaged, and it was just birthday and I'm a big I love making birthday parties for people. It's like my thing, and so I wanted to do something special for him. And at the time, we were in the middle of building this apartment that I'm in now, the one that's on the show. So I convinced the building that we could go because it was it was there was it was not much of anything.
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Speaker 5: It was just the basic walls, right and upstairs in the penthouse we have this rooftop.
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Speaker 4: I convinced the building to let me put a little table on the rooftop, and you know, I had, like someone make an entire meal.
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Speaker 5: And the idea was I was gonna have.
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Speaker 4: This bottle of champagne, the most expensive bottle of champagne I could find. It was gonna be this romantic moment and we were going to be on the rooftop of our new apartment and just celebrating our new one. Right, that was the idea. Okay, So I asked my concierge service because I knew nothing about wines. Right, I've been drinking gasher wine my whole life, right to recommend a champagne.
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Speaker 5: Now you have to understand the table. It's there's the two of us, and it's in a construction.
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Speaker 1: Site, right right, right right.
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Speaker 4: It was this big yeah. And so I get this list and I see this kind of champagne, that kind of and I see Krug and there's one that's X amount of dollars. And then I see something called Krug Magnum, the most expensive one. I'm like, oh, that must be the best champagne.
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Speaker 5: In the world.
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Speaker 4: It's the most expensive. You know where this story is.
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Speaker 1: I totally know. I'm a champagne girl, So yeah, I know I know what a magne.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I buy this Crew Maggie, which I think must be some special blend of grape because it's so expensive. We go up to the rooftop I open up, you know, a surprise happy birthday, and we see this tiny table with a Champain bottle that's basically weighs as much as I do, because magnum is a size, not a type. And of course I didn't know that, right, So it's so funny all these stupid little things that you take for granted that you know because you lived in this world that I have no idea.
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Speaker 6: That that is so funny, right, So so tell me, all right, so you come out and obviously explain more of this in detail in the book, but you come out of this world and you make your way, and.
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Speaker 2: You've got the kids, and I'm assuming some of them, I know, your youngest, but some of them are going back and forth between your ex husband because of their ages and whatnot.
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Speaker 1: And you leave. But Sheva there with her husband, right.
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Speaker 5: And is actually Israel at the point, at that point, she was still there.
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Speaker 4: She she moved with her husband to Israel because he was learning Torah in Israel.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And then they came out, okay, all right, great, they're so cute, by the way, Oh my gosh, I fear them back.
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Speaker 4: I mean, look at their lives, you know, and The great thing is even my ex husband said to me two weeks ago, he's like, Julia, think you he's left. He left, He's.
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Speaker 5: Out of months.
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Speaker 1: Your ex husband left.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 5: He's a stopping house, moved to Tina, to a much more modern Orthodox community.
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Speaker 4: He's out.
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Speaker 1: That gave me chills.
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Speaker 4: Are your kids?
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Speaker 1: Are your kids so happy?
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Speaker 4: I'm kidding me, They're ecstatic. You know, he's a great guy. He's a great, wonderful human being. Wow, that he's out of him interest of him.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to talk about your career a little bit, because you know, when you watch the show, there's a big leap from I had a secret insurance business and you know, got out of there.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: And then I'm the head of La Perla.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: There's like there's like there's like a little like Scooby Deal mystery.
00:26:10
Speaker 4: There's a brazen you gotta read the book. There's no way to explain it. I mean, it's literally it's crazy. It's crazy. What happened to me is crazy. The mistakes are made are crazy. The group of people I fell in with, I mean, honestly, there's no way we would need seventeen hours and like a big bottle of Scotch for me.
00:26:30
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00:27:43
Speaker 2: Give me this, like, what are those those things that you think were the most important thing for your transition from not just Muncie to you know, this new world, but in your career, I mean, is it relationships?
00:27:57
Speaker 3: Is it?
00:27:58
Speaker 4: Like?
00:27:58
Speaker 1: What do you think were those real, really important.
00:28:01
Speaker 4: Things that bad I can definitely do And I think there are three things that to me are the recipes to anyone, the ingredients to anyone who wants to make a change in their life. Number one is the odds have to be crazy, meaning it can't be like, oh well, if this doesn't work, it's.
00:28:20
Speaker 5: Not a big deal. It's got to be a big deal.
00:28:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to matter so much. That is what you dream about when you're sleeping, it's what you think about when you wake up. It informs every decision you make, and it guides you on every day. It has to be here in front of your face at all times.
00:28:43
Speaker 5: I think that number one is the most important thing there is.
00:28:46
Speaker 4: You've got to give a shit, You've got to care more than anyone else, and that without that, you're not going to get anywhere because you will have impediments, you will make mistakes, you will fail, and it's all part of the problem. Says, get over it, get comfortable with being uncomfortable, be okay to be afraid. You need that because otherwise you will not succeed. I say that's number one. Number two, and I think even more important is take pride in being a student instead of pride in what you already know. And that, to me is something that we as adults have lost, because think about it, when we're in high school, when we're in college, we take pride and how well we learn new things and how well we grasp new material. The minute we graduate, somehow there's this shift in our thinking and we think, Okay, now I'm only going to be proud of what I already know. But if you're only proud of what you already know, then you don't ask the questions, and you don't investigate, and you don't make changes or think of what should be because you're too focused on what you've already got. Stop being excited and proud of what you know. Go after what you don't know, do what isn't comfortable, because that's how you're going to succeed and effect change.
00:30:08
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Oh my god, that's so good. I think you know, it's funny.
00:30:14
Speaker 2: I think I do that so well with my kids, meaning like, I learn so much from them, and I am very honest about what I don't know, and we learned it together. But I'm definitely guilty of doing the going the other way in some business fields.
00:30:27
Speaker 1: Oh that's so interesting. Okay, what's number three?
00:30:30
Speaker 5: And then I would say number three is I know this is going to sound crazy, but I promise you it works.
00:30:36
Speaker 4: Talk to yourself.
00:30:38
Speaker 5: Talk to yourself.
00:30:39
Speaker 4: I do you know what It makes a difference when and I mean out loud, because when you have a nebulous thought, bringing it out stay, saying it out loud wills it into existence. Hearing yourself say those words makes it real, you know, psychic example. Okay, So for example, I'll give you a small one and how I applied.
00:31:05
Speaker 5: It in business.
00:31:06
Speaker 4: So you know, so many women today are told they're fat, they're short, they're old, they're ugly, they're this, they're that. Those voices they permeate, they stain your head, and they mess you up. You've got to counteract those voices by giving your own voice, by looking yourself in the mirror and saying, I'm not ugly, I'm not fat, I am fine and beautiful just the way I am. And I think that's the simplest way when it comes to business. One of my heroines is a woman named Gertrude Stein, who I'm sure you've heard of her, right. She was the famous author. She wrote incredible literature. And what makes her so appealing to me is that she lived in pre World War two Paris openly with her lesbian lover, which I think took so much much courage back to so what a goddess. She did it openly, proudly, which I think is just unbelievable. And she made her house like this center of art and intellectual conversation and new ideas. And she's considered the mother of Impressionist artists because at the time when it was Monee and Maynee and Renoir, and because on all of these the Academy Debo's art wouldn't let them in because they were doing art in a way that was new and different.
00:32:30
Speaker 5: So she would show them in her home, and so when Hemingway would come for dinner and they would be all these beautiful conversations. That's how people saw impressions start for the first time.
00:32:41
Speaker 4: And she was asked what people's reaction to Impressionist art is when they saw it for the first time, and she set a sentence that has guided me through the last eight years of my life.
00:32:54
Speaker 5: She said, they come to mock, but they stayed to pray.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: Wow, that's what It's powerful. They come to mock, but they stay to pray.
00:33:08
Speaker 4: And that's it. If you want to affect change, if you want to start something or do something differently, I promise you they will come to mock.
00:33:18
Speaker 5: They mocked me, I got patted on my head. I can't even tell you how many times.
00:33:23
Speaker 4: Very offensive. But then they come to pray. They stay to pray because if you don't let those voices permeate, if your own voice out weighs, and if your voice is louder in your head than anyone else's, they will come to pray.
00:33:40
Speaker 5: I promise you.
00:33:42
Speaker 4: Just don't let the mockery stop.
00:33:44
Speaker 1: You, or the fear of the mockery. Yeah, brilliant. I love that.
00:33:51
Speaker 2: Tell me how you met Sylvia, because I can't imagine, you know, dating in the modern world for you.
00:34:00
Speaker 1: What I mean, how did you go online? Did you do J day?
00:34:04
Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, No, I've never done that, although you know it so looks my kids are doing it. So I'm like fascinated by all that. You know, everybody that I met had to be through work, because it's all I did, right, you know. And of course, as again in the book, you know, as much as there was business freedom and financial freedom, there's also sexual freedom. So you know, my poor first boyfriend that I had when I came out of the community, I really feel right, I didn't know what a girlfriend was supposed. I had no clue.
00:34:38
Speaker 5: I never had a boyfriend. I've never been on an actual real date. I've never been to a bar.
00:34:43
Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask? Can I ask a TMI question?
00:34:46
Speaker 4: Sure?
00:34:46
Speaker 1: So in sex, you know.
00:34:48
Speaker 2: Because I so is sex and the Orthodox community when you have the sheet in between you, is that actually a thing?
00:34:54
Speaker 1: Or is that like an urban legend that I mean, I've.
00:34:58
Speaker 4: Never seen it, and certainly not what I think that stems from. Because when we were married, my husband and I were both taught, he by his what's called a huston teacher, like a groom teacher. Me by a college teacher, my bride teacher, which is your whole purpose is to have babies, right, So when the act of sex is happening, you're supposed to recite songs in.
00:35:25
Speaker 1: Your head that's not sexy.
00:35:28
Speaker 4: No, And then my husband was taught by his rabbi. And again, these are not laws at all. These are literally made up strictures. This has nothing to do with Judaism. This is pure fundamentalism because it is not written anywhere.
00:35:43
Speaker 1: But he was.
00:35:43
Speaker 4: Taught that once he actually performs, once he enters me and performs the app he's supposed to move on to the other bed. No cuddling, no holding me, none of that because al tabersikre maisha, which means don't have too much conversation with a woman, is referring to your wife.
00:36:03
Speaker 1: Okay, so not a lot of for play happening.
00:36:07
Speaker 5: Sex suck.
00:36:08
Speaker 4: And also he's not allowed to look down there, and so you're not getting I never heard of I've never heard of a.
00:36:14
Speaker 5: Clitter since I was thirty five years old.
00:36:16
Speaker 1: But like, no for play, no no oral sex.
00:36:20
Speaker 4: And again and that doesn't mean that by Jewish law you can't.
00:36:23
Speaker 5: It just means in my world you.
00:36:24
Speaker 2: Couldn't, right, Okay, So the only reason I pointed it out is because now you're like a kid in the candy store and now you're.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: Got to have your own sexual revolution.
00:36:34
Speaker 4: Well it's like the first time I have to tell you, it was just like, oh that I'm sex. Wow. Okay, who knows, Yeah, what all the fuss was about it?
00:36:47
Speaker 2: No clue?
00:36:49
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. All right, So all right, so you have this first.
00:36:52
Speaker 2: Boyfriend you're dating, and you're meeting people through work, and so where does Sylvia enter?
00:36:58
Speaker 5: So Sylvia I met.
00:37:00
Speaker 1: He's so cute. You guys are so cute together. Oh my gosh, I was.
00:37:05
Speaker 4: I had my own shoe brand, and someone who was on the board of La Pearlaw connected me to La Pearla because they were trying to become a full fashion band and they were looking for a shoe designer to design a shoe collection. And mine were incredibly comfortable. You know, they've got those they had those button spending. So this guy who was in Hong Kong handed out a bunch of my shoes to his office. All the women loved it, and so that's how that co branding happened. And so I met Sylvia because he owned La Pearl at the time. So once the co branding happened and I became a creative direct, drive ended up spending time with him.
00:37:40
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I love that.
00:37:42
Speaker 4: It was faster in the beginning, Oh my god. I spent all day yelling at the format I say that I wanted to marry.
00:37:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably love that about You're probably the only one that ever stood up to it.
00:37:53
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I'm put it this way. Once I walked at that door, you cannot shut me up. Sylvia always says, I was in a pressure cooker, and once that lid came off, it's just like, oh that is crazy.
00:38:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are so Now how long have you been married?
00:38:11
Speaker 4: Two years?
00:38:12
Speaker 1: Two years? Oh, that's so great. I love that.
00:38:17
Speaker 2: So what do you think it's like watching your kids now in the outside world.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: Do you feel relieved? Do you feel like, what's that emotion? Like?
00:38:26
Speaker 4: Gratitude?
00:38:27
Speaker 5: It's really gratitude. I mean, so few women who leave get to keep their kids.
00:38:32
Speaker 4: It almost never happens.
00:38:35
Speaker 7: I can imagine, very scary and very often you know they you know you've if you've seen one of us, you see how like you know they're they're reported so that their kids get taken away and brought back to the community, so that you know, you basically.
00:38:51
Speaker 4: Held hostage because if you leave, you're they're gonna make sure that you don't get your children. Do you watch have my kids and that they love their life so much, and they're life is so much deeper and richer. The ones who want to stay religious, great, I have no problem with that. I do pace off with them. I keep a kosher kitchen. I'm super respectful. All I wanted was for them not to be fundamentals.
00:39:13
Speaker 1: You wanted them to have choices.
00:39:14
Speaker 4: Thank you.
00:39:15
Speaker 5: I wanted them to have an education. I wanted them.
00:39:18
Speaker 4: To know that you can be an irreligious Jew or a non Jew and still be a great person. That not everyone in the outside world was our enemy, because that's how we were taught to look at the outside world.
00:39:30
Speaker 1: Right right, right right.
00:39:31
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Speaker 3: This is Heather, you brosworld. Here's Heather.
00:40:52
Speaker 1: It's so, I mean, it's just fascinating, and it's so.
00:40:54
Speaker 2: I love how you parent, like I said earlier, like I find a lot of my parenting and your parent are very similar. I think some of our kids have very similar attributes to everything.
00:41:04
Speaker 1: But you're very maternal with everyone. And I really loved you.
00:41:08
Speaker 4: Know.
00:41:09
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the models.
00:41:11
Speaker 2: So you take over this modeling agency, and I thought it was really amazing that you see not just this beautiful girl, but you're seeing a human that needs to have a life after this thing is you know, you look at the ice, ice skaters, gymnasts, models, you know they have a lifespan and then they're done and you're giving them long, functional careers and longevity.
00:41:32
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
00:41:33
Speaker 4: Oh, this is my favorite question without because it's the only reason I took over the company. Is you know, first of all, we're not a model management company anymore now right, We're a talent media conglomerate because when I look over, we expanded the roster of talent we represent. I don't care if you're a deep sea diver or a mountain climber, if you play pole, or if you walk a runway, or if you're on a tennis court.
00:41:54
Speaker 5: My job, the way that I see my.
00:41:56
Speaker 4: Job, is to create an army a financially independent women.
00:42:00
Speaker 5: And how we're.
00:42:01
Speaker 4: Doing that is by the beauty of it is is that with the advent of social media, like what you're doing for the first time, instead of just looking at how well someone plays tennis or how beautiful they look on a runway, you can find out who that person is what their passions are, what makes them unique. You know, we have women who work with us who are in addition to being models or actresses or singers, they're also PhDs and doctorates and they've got finance degrees.
00:42:30
Speaker 5: They're extraordinary people.
00:42:32
Speaker 4: And so with the advent of social media, they have the ability if we help them by having producers, directors, tomographers, videographers, content creators, by getting classes on how to grow your social media. If they utilize their social media properly, then they become brands and networks in and of themselves. And with that you create longevity in your career because way past the time that you're walking that runway or playing on that tennis court, people have been I'm so accustomed to comping to you for advice, for inspiration, for aspirational messages that they'll keep coming.
00:43:07
Speaker 5: You're the network.
00:43:09
Speaker 4: And then we've started, and of course it's a slow process. We've done it for a few of our talent and I'm just going to keep on doing it.
00:43:15
Speaker 5: We've started building.
00:43:16
Speaker 4: Businesses with our talent, helping them transform themselves truly into brands.
00:43:21
Speaker 5: And what that does is it shifts the power dynamic squarely to the hands of.
00:43:25
Speaker 4: The talent, because now it's the magazine editors and the casting directors running after the talent because guess what the talent has. The talent has the audience. Yes, it's the new media and like I'm sure there's been some press about it, but we're going to launch it on September eighth on Entertainment Tonight, We're going to show.
00:43:44
Speaker 5: You our first ever avatar of our actual talent.
00:43:48
Speaker 4: So instead of worrying that, oh my god, avatars are going to replace people, I thought to myself, Okay, how do we harness.
00:43:54
Speaker 5: This new technology in the service of our talent.
00:43:56
Speaker 4: So instead of making fake avatars, we're creating avatar out of.
00:44:00
Speaker 5: Our real models.
00:44:02
Speaker 4: So, for example, the first person is going to be Jasmine Saunders. You're going to see what we've been able to do with her avatar walks, talks, jumps, laughs, sounds and looks exactly like her, and Jasmine's avatar can walk five virtual runways in five countries simultaneously without ever leaving her home. You don't have to worry about airfare, you don't have to worry about code, you don't have to worry about hotel rooms. It's just giving our talent another tool in their toolkit to help them build themselves into brands.
00:44:33
Speaker 5: And by the way, those avatars live forever.
00:44:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting, I mean, the shift of social media. And you know, you didn't see all of this, but for me, you know, being back in the day as a scripted actress and all that, we didn't have all of these tools. But you know, I think so many people, and especially and lots of actors and models are shortsighted about social media, thinking it's really about popularity and that it's about the more likes, but it really is about the actual content.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: That they're creating. So I love that you're really.
00:45:04
Speaker 2: Harnessing what's special about each of these people and putting it out there because it is.
00:45:10
Speaker 1: It's just so fascinating.
00:45:11
Speaker 2: Podcasts and Instagram lives and all these things that really give you this raw, unfiltered access to the talent.
00:45:19
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the reasons I started a podcast because from.
00:45:22
Speaker 5: Sort of people, what you're doing, Look, what you are doing. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
00:45:27
Speaker 4: You're giving people a voice and they never had that before, and I think it's so exciting and you know.
00:45:35
Speaker 5: And again they come to mock, but they stay to pray.
00:45:37
Speaker 4: When I said digital transformation talent is media two years ago, everyone thought I was crazy. And of course COVID came and it slowed things down and to take things step by step. We're developing right now a program to help educate our talent so that they can build, you know, build themselves, because of.
00:45:56
Speaker 5: Course we have over fifty five hundred talent. We can't build everybody, so we need them right. It solves as well, but.
00:46:02
Speaker 2: I like that you're educating them, You're giving them the tools that they need to do it, and then you see who has the fire, because like you said earlier, it's got to be in front of your face every single day.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: You've got to want it. No one can hand it to you. It doesn't work that way.
00:46:16
Speaker 4: It does not work that way. But it is a real shift. It's going to take time, but we see it every single day. How exciting it is. You know, so much of our talent as working with us. We're so we're doing things that are really transformative and we'll keep doing them until we change the industry. And it won't happen overnight.
00:46:37
Speaker 5: But it's going to happen.
00:46:39
Speaker 2: Okay, you also, you say you encourage women to wait until they're thirty to have children.
00:46:46
Speaker 4: I just you know what it is in my world. You get married as a teenager. If you're not married by twenty, good luck. You know, it's more difficult. It's like an old maid.
00:46:55
Speaker 5: You know. It's again, go back to the eighteen hundreds.
00:46:58
Speaker 4: You'll understand my world perfectly, minus the fabulous ball gowns.
00:47:02
Speaker 5: It's kind of like Bridgintae.
00:47:05
Speaker 4: Takes a lot of saving of her family. It's all like that. It's all about the marriage, getting a good match. That's all about And I lost some total train.
00:47:17
Speaker 2: We were saying, wait till you're thirty. I mean I got married at thirty. We I mean I had my kids a little bit later, which I totally agree with. But like, how do you counsel your kids about all this and what are their feelings on it?
00:47:30
Speaker 4: I just want them to have a life before they give a life. Yeah, because when you have a child, you're a mother. You know, they're my life. That's it.
00:47:41
Speaker 5: In the end, the only thing that really matters are my kids.
00:47:45
Speaker 4: And you are never going to be selfish again because you can't be because you're a mother. And so before she becomes a mother, and I know she'll be a wonderful mother.
00:47:55
Speaker 5: I want her to have her own.
00:47:57
Speaker 4: Life, you know, and because I I hadn't, you know, I went from a teenager to a mind right, I don't.
00:48:07
Speaker 1: Wonder young d I agree.
00:48:09
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think people should get married that young either. I feel like, you know, you got it. I mean, I mean, what you like at twenty two, you don't really necessarily like at forty two.
00:48:18
Speaker 1: And I know there are rare cases.
00:48:20
Speaker 2: And I have friends that were married very very young and they've been together forty years.
00:48:24
Speaker 1: But that's just that's not the.
00:48:26
Speaker 2: That's that's not typically No, it's not typically yourself.
00:48:30
Speaker 4: How can you choose a partner for life when you your own personality hasn't settled yet, You are not settled at nineteen.
00:48:38
Speaker 5: I mean, think about who you were at nineteen years old.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: That remember being nineteen, I'm like one hundred.
00:48:44
Speaker 4: That's the first making decision that you're going to have to live with for the rest of your life. It's crazy, It is crazy, no logical sense at all, and it and it's you know, as you said, also, don't forget the longevity has changed, meaning go back to longer. Thank you. People died at forty five. By the way, I got each other till we're ninety. You have been miserable for seventy years, and it's too long.
00:49:18
Speaker 1: It's too long. I totally agree.
00:49:20
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, like so right now, my oldest two are twins and they're seniors in high school, boy and girl, and they're applying to college, and so I talk a lot about college, especially with the college scandal and all that crazy stuff that's been going on the last few years. And there are parents out there that have said to me, you know, I necessarily don't want them to go to college and want them to do what they.
00:49:38
Speaker 1: Want, which is find no judgment.
00:49:40
Speaker 2: But what I think is interesting about the college years, and it's germane to what you're talking about, is that to me, it's a way station. It's a place for them to go park themselves. I don't care if they don't learn anything, learn how to hold your liquor, for all I care. Just go there and learn how to deal with people and manage your laundry and figure your shit and until you have to go out in the world.
00:50:02
Speaker 1: It's like a gift.
00:50:04
Speaker 5: It is a huge I mean to me, education is everything.
00:50:08
Speaker 2: Absolutely but some but some people are better you know, studying life. Like I would say, between these two of my kids, my daughter is more like my husband. She's like very very book smart, and she's a student and she loves.
00:50:22
Speaker 1: To learn like like you loves to learn. And my son is a little.
00:50:27
Speaker 2: More like a student of life and wants and who's great with people, and you know, which is great. So they're very very different, but they still need that experience.
00:50:37
Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
00:50:38
Speaker 4: I could not agree more.
00:50:39
Speaker 5: I think you are one thousand percent right.
00:50:41
Speaker 4: And if your son is someone who is intuitive and intellectually cognizant of other people's thoughts and emotion, is there any better thing that's going to take him through life?
00:50:54
Speaker 5: Everything that we do is about.
00:50:55
Speaker 4: Communication, understanding how to work with people's I think the greatest thing there is or one hundred percent right, going to college, he's going to have to learn how to deal with people, how to fix his own problems, how to fix his own mistakes. And I don't think there's any better prep for life than that.
00:51:11
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, So tell me about the book what led you do?
00:51:15
Speaker 2: Because that's a lot of emotionality, because you can tell your story in different ways, but to sort of bear your soul in that kind of way and really put it where you scared the repercussions what.
00:51:26
Speaker 4: It is giving me massive. I'm not gonna lie, you know, as much as the show of course as you can imagine. You know, as you said, some people love to ride on the coattails of someone else's success and say, oh, let's just mess with her because she's got audience, right, And you know, and again, if you attack fundamentalism, fundamentalism is going to come back.
00:51:52
Speaker 5: And hit you.
00:51:53
Speaker 4: That's life. And I knew that that was going to happen, and I chose to do it anyway because I think it's.
00:51:59
Speaker 5: The right thing to do.
00:52:00
Speaker 4: The book.
00:52:02
Speaker 2: Uh oh, you're opening up big can of worms here.
00:52:07
Speaker 4: Because there I have the space and the time to tell the whole story. I've got photos, photos and photos of gotten notes from high school. I mean, it's everything, and I made a decision when.
00:52:23
Speaker 5: Well, actually that's not actually true. I'll tell you the truth. The truth is that when I wrote it, I wasn't thinking that anyone was.
00:52:29
Speaker 4: Going to read it, right, you wrote it for yourself, like cathartic experience, getting it out, putting it on a piece of paper, and then when I handed in, I was like, oh fuck, what right? Just do I've literally bared my soul and I left nothing out.
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Speaker 5: Nothing.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I told the whole story, the words, the pimples and all. And you know, of course, it was seventeen hundred and forty pages, so obviously it has been and trim significantly to like a nice five hundred something. But it's it is very frightening to me because I know when people read that book, I'm going to walk on the street and random strangers are going to know the most intimate details of my thoughts, of my life. And of course that's scary. That is insanely frightening. I literally sometimes.
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Speaker 5: I just can't even sleep at night. I'm so nervous about it. But I'm still gonna do it.
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00:56:33
Speaker 1: So who did you feel like you needed to talk to?
00:56:35
Speaker 3: So?
00:56:36
Speaker 2: For example, you know, I've been doing podcasts for six years and my kids were like much much younger when I started, so I could talk about anything. But of course, you know during the teenage years you have to be careful and you have to clear things with them, and you don't you know, it's there.
00:56:50
Speaker 1: They have their own personal.
00:56:51
Speaker 2: Stories to tell. By the way, I was very impressed with Miriam and my daughter. My oldest daughter came out as bisexual a few years ago, and you know, it was her story. I knew, but her story to tell, and you let Miriam tell it. And I thought she was so brave and so fascinus. So shoot, your kids are just great. So so when you're writing this, so so you have you get it all down. Who did you have to call and clear things with or did you all my kids?
00:57:17
Speaker 4: I cleared it with all my kids and my ex husman as well. I mean, again, you know I have to do a It's it's that fine line. I have to be able to tell my truth, but I have to do it in a respectful way to my family.
00:57:33
Speaker 5: And you know, and I see it over and over again.
00:57:35
Speaker 4: I'm probably by the eight hundred times in the book, and you see it on the TV show. The fact that I was.
00:57:40
Speaker 5: Unhappily married has nothing to do with my husband.
00:57:43
Speaker 4: That's crazy. It's the t I get it, and so and he understands that, and he understands that it's an important story that has to be told. And so of course I went to my family and said, guys, and anything they felt uncomfortable.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: With I took out.
00:57:57
Speaker 2: You did, and were there would there were there moments that you'd needed to take out, There were very few.
00:58:03
Speaker 4: I think there were three pieces in the book where they just wanted me to remove some details where they were okay with me telling the general but not okay with the details. And so I did it, and happened to do it fantastic.
00:58:18
Speaker 2: I think it's very very brave of you. I mean, you're obviously a hugely successful person. You didn't need to do this, but it feels, it feels to me in my heart like you're doing it to help people and I just think it's incredibly brave and incredible.
00:58:33
Speaker 5: That's all we can do is try.
00:58:35
Speaker 4: All I can do is put it out there and hope that some woman out there says, hey, she can do it.
00:58:43
Speaker 5: I can do it.
00:58:44
Speaker 4: And you know, I was. I can't remember. I think I've told this story once, so I apologize if you've heard it ready.
00:58:52
Speaker 5: But this has happened to me twice already. Where I've been.
00:58:55
Speaker 4: Sitting at a restaurant in Manhattan and a woman came over and handed me a handwritten letter that she had written, and one, I mean both of them were very beautiful. One of them I posted on my stories because I asked her permission and she said, okay.
00:59:11
Speaker 5: The one did not.
00:59:12
Speaker 4: The one who did not, literally, I mean, I burst out crying because because she was planning on committing suicide and she watched someone told her about the show and she said, you know what, I'll watch a few episodes and then I'll and she had written her letter, she had done the whole thing, and she watched an episode and she chose life.
00:59:39
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:59:39
Speaker 4: You know, sorry, I get. I mean, it's that's what it's about. It's about helping people. And I hope it works, that's all. I hope all of this is worth it. I hope people look at me and make the changes that they need to.
00:59:58
Speaker 2: It's already worked. I mean, I think just but that story alone, No, I love it. I think you're amazing. I'm just I think you're incredibly inspiring. And I'm glad that my kids have other really strong, amazing women to look at as role models.
01:00:16
Speaker 1: I really do so.
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Speaker 2: I personally, I thank you for writing the book. I'm so excited to read it. And when next time I'm in New York, I promise I will. And I'm gonna come bring you. I'm gonna get you something bigger than a magnum. I'm gonna come in and get you.
01:00:34
Speaker 1: I think it's.
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Speaker 4: Called a.
01:00:36
Speaker 1: Jerebam. Yeah, I'm gonna get you a jeribamb.
01:00:38
Speaker 4: And by the way, you know who Jeredam is named after. There was a Jewish king named them who is known for his profligacy and for the fact that he was, you know, a naughty, naughty man and uh and that's where it comes from. Jebaum is a Jewish king.
01:00:58
Speaker 1: His name was Yva And oh I love that well.
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Speaker 2: I love Champagne, I love jare Broms. I absolutely adore you. Terry and I are going to be in New York in a few minutes and we're going to take you in Sylvia out.
01:01:08
Speaker 1: I would love love, I'd love to love to do that.
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Speaker 2: I wish you so much success on the book. It's absolutely amazing. Tell everyone how to find My Own Orthodox Life, how to get the book, it's probably on pre order right now, and how to find you on social media.
01:01:24
Speaker 4: So we are on Netflix on a show called My Own Orthodox Life. Please tune in if you haven't seen it yet. My book is called Brazen. It's for pre sale on Amazon and on Barnes and Noble. And I'm at Julia Heart on Instagram. Thank you guys so much for listening, and thank you so much for having me on. This was so amazing and I can't wait to meet you actually in person.
01:01:45
Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 4: I do have a lot on gommge.
01:01:47
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna message you on Instagram and send you my phone number.
01:01:51
Speaker 1: Okay, fabulous, All right, thank you for being.
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Speaker 3: This is heathered you bro's world.
01:01:59
Speaker 2: Here's literally could speak to her all day. That was so inspiring and I learned so much and I was like taking notes in the middle of it. My gosh, she's just incredible. Thank you guys so much for listening. I so appreciate the sport. If you have a second, go to iTunes and leave us a five star review and say what you love about Heather Debro's World. And I'll see you guys on Instagram Live Sunday at five on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Quickie with Heather. I'll see you then, have a great weekend. See you next week.
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