00:00:01
Speaker 1: Gooday, Welcome to the show. This is Better Than Yesterday, useful tools and useful conversations to help make you all day to day better than yesterday every episode since twenty thirteen. My name's Olsha Ginsburg and I am so glad you're here. I am currently writing a third book, and this book is lessons that I have learned from the podcast over the last thirteen years, unearthing some of the best, best ideas and ways of making things better from every conversation I've had, and I just couldn't wait until it's published to share this one with you today. It's a conversation that I personally have reflected on many times to remind myself that if Lucid Durak can do it, I can do it. It's the thing I listened to when I remind myself of when I need a nudge to get over a challenge between me and something I want to achieve. It truly is a blueprint for what can happen when you set out to achieve a dream which seems absolutely impossible. We're going to revisit my conversations day with the incredible Australian musical theater superstar Lucy Durak. She is living proof that persistence, strategic preparation, and a little bit of hope can open doors that you never thought possible. Lucy Durak in cas this is the first time you've heard her name, is and always will be, the original Australian Glinda in the smash megamusical Wicked. FYI, if you're not a musical theater person, Glenda songs are really hard. She's also starting legally Blonde Shrek the Musical. She's acted on film and television, Doctor Doctor, Letdown Sisters seventy one. But before Lucy became a household name, she was just another theater kid with a huge goal, and she put in years, thousands of hours of deliberate work to make her dream come true. I found three parts of this conversation which I know are just going to absolutely fire you up. They are brilliant pieces of advice from Lucy on setting big, outstanding, hairy, dacious goals, trusting the universe, embracing the entire journey regardless of where you end up. Now, for Lucy, the pathway to her becoming the original Australian Calenda began years before, years before that. In a moment of true musical revelation. A single song ignited an obsession really within her. In that moment, she set herself a long term goal, which prompted her to begin just relentlessly training for a role in a show that did not exist.
00:02:36
Speaker 2: I was in my friend Matthew Hayward's car and we were in Melbourne. It was freezing, and he goes listened to this new musical. I think he might have picked me up from the airport or somewhere, and he was driving me a fairly decent distance and I remember he played me defining Gravity, which is Elfheber's song at the end of act one, and I was like.
00:02:53
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: I mean, if you like musical fit at all, you've got pretty high chance.
00:02:58
Speaker 1: From bring one.
00:03:00
Speaker 3: I saw the show Sane and I was like, heard that, and I thought, what is this show?
00:03:04
Speaker 2: My goodness, And then the next time he played me was Popular, and I was like, oh, like, I'm not the person who can sing divine Gravity. I'm so in awe of people who can. But I heard Popular and I thought that sounds like that sounds like my bag like and that sounds like something I could do. And the more I kind of then became. I became obsessed with Wicked.
00:03:26
Speaker 1: And.
00:03:28
Speaker 2: Fortunately, like YouTube and stuff, it had opened in two thousand and three, and this must have been like two thousand and four, and so people had done like sneaky illegal recordings, and there was quite a lot on YouTube that I could quickly access. And I very quickly became obsessed with this show. And Kristin Chenoweth, who played Glinda. I just thought she's so funny, and she's such a wonderful actress, and she's an incredible singer, and I sort of just started to try and do everything within my power to be prepared for this show should it.
00:03:58
Speaker 3: Come to Australia. I didn't even know, because sometimes big hits don't.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: I mean, these days they mostly do come to Australia, but in those days they didn't necessarily always calm, so I was sort of thinking, all right, even if I can get on some tour somewhere in the world and understudy Glinder or something like that would just be so incredible, And so yeah, I did. I listened to that song over and over. I listened to the whole soundtrack over and over, and I, yeah, I just started to almost kind of get in training I guess for that role.
00:04:29
Speaker 1: I just love that. I love hearing how she dedicated herself to preparing for a production which wasn't real, didn't exist. There was no casting call had been announced. There was no side show in Dubai or Singapore that she was going to go try out for nothing. There was no talk among Australian musical theater producers that anyone was going to put Wicket on here down in Australia. It didn't matter. Lucy just set her. She set off on an intense years long preparation, fueled by that single song, unflinching in her vision of what she wanted to achieve, that she would be Glenda in the Australian production of Wicked. Now, despite being told at the time by a number of high profile musical theater directors that she didn't have what it took to be more than an understudy, she just kept going. She did have a backup plan, and in the middle of executing her backup plan, which is a law degree in Sydney UNI. She's from Perth, so she was a long way from home. Wasn't too long before things just didn't feel right. She didn't feel okay doing this law thing. It wasn't what she truly truly wanted to do, so she deferred from her course. She headed back to Perth to give this performing thing another crack, moved back into her old sharehouse, and she began again with nothing.
00:05:45
Speaker 2: So back into my old room, but I had no furniture in it. So somebody lent me a foot on and I slid down a food on really minimally for a while, And for a couple of years there I just did like very base stuff. I worked at a few different shops, and I'd got into children's musicool that was on for a week, and I did a guest role on All Saints, and I did like little bits and pieces along the way, and sort of just said yes to every opportunity. And during that time I met I was singing for free at this some networking event.
00:06:12
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:06:13
Speaker 2: Somebody else couldn't do it, so that somebody asked me if I could do it, and I went and sung a few numbers, and this man came up to me and he said, I do like life coaching for businesses. I'd like to help you. I can sense in your voice that you know you've got more that you want to do with your life, and it sounds really full on, and at the time I sort of thought I just didn't know whether he was for real or not. But I thought, if I keep my wits about me, I'm kind of at rock bottom anyway, like.
00:06:37
Speaker 3: What have I got to lose?
00:06:39
Speaker 2: And this really kind man then helped me and I met with him like once a week for kind of coaching as to how to set goals and how to like in a spiritual way and also in a really kind of practical way. And I started properly for the first time writing down goals and having things that I really just wanted and working and then putting in think it's At the time it felt like, oh, well, new agy. But the more I go on, the more I think it's just practical. If you write down what you want and then you go about working towards it, you're going to be closer to getting it than if you're not. And I started doing that really in quite a dedicated way. And the biggest goal he said, I want you to think of, like the biggest goal you could think of, like if you want to be Then at the time, Oprah was really huge, and I mean she's still really huge now.
00:07:22
Speaker 3: But her show was on.
00:07:23
Speaker 2: He's like, if you want to be the next Oprah or whatever it is, like, write that, And I thought, and I just heard Wicked the soundtrack, and I thought, the thing in the world that would just be the craziest thing is if I was the original Glinda in the Australian production of Wicked, not knowing that Wicked would come, just putting it out there as this huge thing. And yeah, and so I worked towards that, like for years, and then it did audition at the end of two thousand and seven, So I guess I effectively worked on it for like three years, just hoping that it would come. And to this day, I can't hardly believe that that I got it.
00:08:00
Speaker 3: I did get it. It was do you remember the audition?
00:08:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did three auditions, and I had planned what I was gonna wear, down to the point that I'd found this dress that was perfect in French connection, but it was cream and I want to wear pink, Glinda West pink, and so I went to a place that got dyed to the right side.
00:08:16
Speaker 3: Of pink sounds.
00:08:18
Speaker 2: I was obsessed, like I really was quite obsessed, and I had I had the time like I was, you know, that was I was sort of early twenties and that was what I was doing with my time. I didn't really I had sort of not really long term boyfriends at that time, and I sort of just had the time to work.
00:08:35
Speaker 3: Put all my eggs in this basket in a way. And yeah.
00:08:39
Speaker 2: So I went in to Melbourne because I was doing I'd been doing a music all that year and the show was in Melbourne. So my first audition was there and I went in and they sat and I was all dold up as Glinda and I'd figured out how it's gonna cel my hair the same way that she does, and I wore this flour and yeah, and I went in and they were like, all right, we want to you come back tomorrow with like a march more subdued look.
00:09:01
Speaker 3: I sort of gone a bit faring costume.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: So I went back the next day, still in a pink dress, but in a more relaxed way, and they were like I want you to, like, okay, you need to come back and wearing blue like because I'd still gone in I think probably not really taken the note far enough. So my final audition was in Sydney, and I did go in wearing blue and white and a kind of much more relaxed outfit. They were like wear very minimal makeup. And I went in and I remember Rob Mills was in the room. He was auditioning for Fierro, and that from what I could gather, there was no other Fierro's and there were two el auditioning, one of which was Amanda Harrison, who got the role. And yeah, and I couldn't see any other Glinders, and I'd kind of really like put it out of my mind that anyone else was even auditioning for it, because I was just so focused on it being my role.
00:09:47
Speaker 3: And I.
00:09:49
Speaker 2: My boyfriend who's now my husband, Chris, who I had just started going out with. We then went up it was Christmas time. We'd gone up to the Gold Coast to hang out with his mum, and I was so nervous. I knew people were finding out that day and I hadn't heard anything, and I was getting so nervous, and He's like, just turned your phone off. We went to Byron for the day and just had a day off and I it was beautiful, and I just did put it out of my mind. And at the end of the day I turned my phone back on it like a million phone calls and messages and it was my agent. And I was on the driveway at Chris's mum's house in Eleanora and just was her.
00:10:19
Speaker 3: She goes, so, the thing with Wicked is it was a bit like I was on Australian idol or something.
00:10:24
Speaker 2: She's like, so she just kept saying yep so, and in her voice she sounded like I hadn't got it.
00:10:28
Speaker 3: And she's like, the thing with Wicked is.
00:10:30
Speaker 2: You got it?
00:10:31
Speaker 3: You're Glinda. And I was like, oh my god. It was so the best thing ever.
00:10:34
Speaker 2: And Chris and I went and had champagne on the beach and it was just I couldn't believe it.
00:10:39
Speaker 3: Wow, I still can't believe it.
00:10:41
Speaker 1: I'll get ghost bumps listening to that every time. For years, well over three years, fueled by that one single enormous goal, Lucy just poured her time and effort into preparing for a role that was imaginary, didn't exist, even down to the precon wardrobe that she would wear on the day. That level of focus, that level of dedication, it paid off. And I could end this episode here, but it is important to know that there were plenty of other roles that she didn't care and there's plenty of other goals that you or I will never achieve. So in a moment, I just want to play one more little thing. It's incredibly valuable advice from Lucy about how worthwhile that preparation is even if you don't get the thing you're after back in a moment. Thanks for listening to the show. Just a quick note here that if you're enjoying this episode, please do share it with someone. Sign up for the newsletter. I'll put the link in the show notes, says a YouTube channel with full video episodes and also links to we can get tickets for the story Club shows I do in Sydney regularly, and also the story Club YouTube channel. Lucy Jirach on the show today talking about how she achieved what she wanted after years dedicated herself thousands of hours. The full episode is fantastic. She talks about you know, going to dance school and you know, being the worst in the class and just persisting though, but what happens when you do all the work, When you do all that work and the outcome isn't what you hope. For so far, we've really focused on the persistence that led Lucy Durek to get that dream role, that perfect, happy ending. But perhaps I think the most powerful thing and the most freeing piece of advice that happened in this conversation from Lucy is when she shared her philosophy on not only competition but also fate. The mindset of which she goes about these things really shifts the focus back to your own effort, your own integrity, and that can allow you to let go of the anxiety of comparison and trust in the process and the value that you're gaining regardless of the outcome.
00:12:57
Speaker 2: If you, in your heart know that you've worked hardest that you can, then you've you can almost rest easier it because then you're like, I've done my part and if it doesn't work out, then it's not meant to be, or you know, some sort of fate sort of whatever.
00:13:11
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I do.
00:13:12
Speaker 2: Really, the older I get and the more I go on, the more I think nobody's actually in competition with anyone, because if you're going to get it, you're going to get it, and if you're not, you're not, and it doesn't matter who you're up against. If you're not going to get it and you're the only one for the role, they'll just not give it to somebody and they'll hold out and they'll find somebody else. And if, and again, if you are going to get it, then it's yours. And I sort of trust you have sort of a trust or faith in the universe or something like that, that the right things will come your way if you just keep putting it out there I think, or a version of the right thing for you and.
00:13:48
Speaker 3: Keeping the work as well, keeping the work and keeping the goal.
00:13:50
Speaker 2: Like I am also a person who I like having a goal because then it gives me something tangible to work towards. And even if you don't get that exact goal, you will often get something probably always get some version of that that will satisfy some part of your soul.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: Like I said, I reflect on that conversation all the time, and I just wanted you to have it too, because it's I know some I know you you needed to hear that today. I don't care where you are in your life, what you're doing in your life, you needed to hear that story today. And note what a note to end on pun intended musical theater pun intended. Like I said, I think about the conversation all the time, and I wanted you to hear it so you could think about it all the time too. It was so valuable to me, and it's going in the book as long as many others, but I couldn't want to wait for that. I think the biggest lesson there from this whole little arc, there's a lot more to the full episode. I think the biggest lesson there is it's not just about getting the role, it's about the effort that you put in. That no competition mindset really really really important there, because if you know you've done the hardest work you can, you can rest easy knowing you've done you've done your part. The ride or portu unity or reversion of that, as she says, that will satisfy yourself will inevitably show up. As my former manager, John Farraday used to say, he's unfortunately passed away. But John used to always tell me, only you know how hard you've worked to make your dreams come true, And Lucy's story is a perfect example of that. Like I said, the full episode is well worth a listen. You can scroll back in the podcast feed to go find it. This whole conversation today will give you an idea why. I mean. I was always excited when people pop their heads off on Mask Singer, but when Lucy Jiak showed up, that's why I went the full kermit. I'm in awe of that lady. The full episode is back there. Jump on the links in the show notes to get the newsletter and the updates. Thank you so much for listening. Please share the episode, rate like, subscribe, tell me what you thought of it in the comments or in the ratings, wherever you want to do it. It all helps us. And if you want to get in touch with me, they just hit reply on the newsletter. Lovely to hear from you today. Get on the YouTube to watch full video episodes. I'll see you back here on Wednesday.
00:16:00
Speaker 2: The
Speaker 1: Gooday, Welcome to the show. This is Better Than Yesterday, useful tools and useful conversations to help make you all day to day better than yesterday every episode since twenty thirteen. My name's Olsha Ginsburg and I am so glad you're here. I am currently writing a third book, and this book is lessons that I have learned from the podcast over the last thirteen years, unearthing some of the best, best ideas and ways of making things better from every conversation I've had, and I just couldn't wait until it's published to share this one with you today. It's a conversation that I personally have reflected on many times to remind myself that if Lucid Durak can do it, I can do it. It's the thing I listened to when I remind myself of when I need a nudge to get over a challenge between me and something I want to achieve. It truly is a blueprint for what can happen when you set out to achieve a dream which seems absolutely impossible. We're going to revisit my conversations day with the incredible Australian musical theater superstar Lucy Durak. She is living proof that persistence, strategic preparation, and a little bit of hope can open doors that you never thought possible. Lucy Durak in cas this is the first time you've heard her name, is and always will be, the original Australian Glinda in the smash megamusical Wicked. FYI, if you're not a musical theater person, Glenda songs are really hard. She's also starting legally Blonde Shrek the Musical. She's acted on film and television, Doctor Doctor, Letdown Sisters seventy one. But before Lucy became a household name, she was just another theater kid with a huge goal, and she put in years, thousands of hours of deliberate work to make her dream come true. I found three parts of this conversation which I know are just going to absolutely fire you up. They are brilliant pieces of advice from Lucy on setting big, outstanding, hairy, dacious goals, trusting the universe, embracing the entire journey regardless of where you end up. Now, for Lucy, the pathway to her becoming the original Australian Calenda began years before, years before that. In a moment of true musical revelation. A single song ignited an obsession really within her. In that moment, she set herself a long term goal, which prompted her to begin just relentlessly training for a role in a show that did not exist.
00:02:36
Speaker 2: I was in my friend Matthew Hayward's car and we were in Melbourne. It was freezing, and he goes listened to this new musical. I think he might have picked me up from the airport or somewhere, and he was driving me a fairly decent distance and I remember he played me defining Gravity, which is Elfheber's song at the end of act one, and I was like.
00:02:53
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: I mean, if you like musical fit at all, you've got pretty high chance.
00:02:58
Speaker 1: From bring one.
00:03:00
Speaker 3: I saw the show Sane and I was like, heard that, and I thought, what is this show?
00:03:04
Speaker 2: My goodness, And then the next time he played me was Popular, and I was like, oh, like, I'm not the person who can sing divine Gravity. I'm so in awe of people who can. But I heard Popular and I thought that sounds like that sounds like my bag like and that sounds like something I could do. And the more I kind of then became. I became obsessed with Wicked.
00:03:26
Speaker 1: And.
00:03:28
Speaker 2: Fortunately, like YouTube and stuff, it had opened in two thousand and three, and this must have been like two thousand and four, and so people had done like sneaky illegal recordings, and there was quite a lot on YouTube that I could quickly access. And I very quickly became obsessed with this show. And Kristin Chenoweth, who played Glinda. I just thought she's so funny, and she's such a wonderful actress, and she's an incredible singer, and I sort of just started to try and do everything within my power to be prepared for this show should it.
00:03:58
Speaker 3: Come to Australia. I didn't even know, because sometimes big hits don't.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: I mean, these days they mostly do come to Australia, but in those days they didn't necessarily always calm, so I was sort of thinking, all right, even if I can get on some tour somewhere in the world and understudy Glinder or something like that would just be so incredible, And so yeah, I did. I listened to that song over and over. I listened to the whole soundtrack over and over, and I, yeah, I just started to almost kind of get in training I guess for that role.
00:04:29
Speaker 1: I just love that. I love hearing how she dedicated herself to preparing for a production which wasn't real, didn't exist. There was no casting call had been announced. There was no side show in Dubai or Singapore that she was going to go try out for nothing. There was no talk among Australian musical theater producers that anyone was going to put Wicket on here down in Australia. It didn't matter. Lucy just set her. She set off on an intense years long preparation, fueled by that single song, unflinching in her vision of what she wanted to achieve, that she would be Glenda in the Australian production of Wicked. Now, despite being told at the time by a number of high profile musical theater directors that she didn't have what it took to be more than an understudy, she just kept going. She did have a backup plan, and in the middle of executing her backup plan, which is a law degree in Sydney UNI. She's from Perth, so she was a long way from home. Wasn't too long before things just didn't feel right. She didn't feel okay doing this law thing. It wasn't what she truly truly wanted to do, so she deferred from her course. She headed back to Perth to give this performing thing another crack, moved back into her old sharehouse, and she began again with nothing.
00:05:45
Speaker 2: So back into my old room, but I had no furniture in it. So somebody lent me a foot on and I slid down a food on really minimally for a while, And for a couple of years there I just did like very base stuff. I worked at a few different shops, and I'd got into children's musicool that was on for a week, and I did a guest role on All Saints, and I did like little bits and pieces along the way, and sort of just said yes to every opportunity. And during that time I met I was singing for free at this some networking event.
00:06:12
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:06:13
Speaker 2: Somebody else couldn't do it, so that somebody asked me if I could do it, and I went and sung a few numbers, and this man came up to me and he said, I do like life coaching for businesses. I'd like to help you. I can sense in your voice that you know you've got more that you want to do with your life, and it sounds really full on, and at the time I sort of thought I just didn't know whether he was for real or not. But I thought, if I keep my wits about me, I'm kind of at rock bottom anyway, like.
00:06:37
Speaker 3: What have I got to lose?
00:06:39
Speaker 2: And this really kind man then helped me and I met with him like once a week for kind of coaching as to how to set goals and how to like in a spiritual way and also in a really kind of practical way. And I started properly for the first time writing down goals and having things that I really just wanted and working and then putting in think it's At the time it felt like, oh, well, new agy. But the more I go on, the more I think it's just practical. If you write down what you want and then you go about working towards it, you're going to be closer to getting it than if you're not. And I started doing that really in quite a dedicated way. And the biggest goal he said, I want you to think of, like the biggest goal you could think of, like if you want to be Then at the time, Oprah was really huge, and I mean she's still really huge now.
00:07:22
Speaker 3: But her show was on.
00:07:23
Speaker 2: He's like, if you want to be the next Oprah or whatever it is, like, write that, And I thought, and I just heard Wicked the soundtrack, and I thought, the thing in the world that would just be the craziest thing is if I was the original Glinda in the Australian production of Wicked, not knowing that Wicked would come, just putting it out there as this huge thing. And yeah, and so I worked towards that, like for years, and then it did audition at the end of two thousand and seven, So I guess I effectively worked on it for like three years, just hoping that it would come. And to this day, I can't hardly believe that that I got it.
00:08:00
Speaker 3: I did get it. It was do you remember the audition?
00:08:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did three auditions, and I had planned what I was gonna wear, down to the point that I'd found this dress that was perfect in French connection, but it was cream and I want to wear pink, Glinda West pink, and so I went to a place that got dyed to the right side.
00:08:16
Speaker 3: Of pink sounds.
00:08:18
Speaker 2: I was obsessed, like I really was quite obsessed, and I had I had the time like I was, you know, that was I was sort of early twenties and that was what I was doing with my time. I didn't really I had sort of not really long term boyfriends at that time, and I sort of just had the time to work.
00:08:35
Speaker 3: Put all my eggs in this basket in a way. And yeah.
00:08:39
Speaker 2: So I went in to Melbourne because I was doing I'd been doing a music all that year and the show was in Melbourne. So my first audition was there and I went in and they sat and I was all dold up as Glinda and I'd figured out how it's gonna cel my hair the same way that she does, and I wore this flour and yeah, and I went in and they were like, all right, we want to you come back tomorrow with like a march more subdued look.
00:09:01
Speaker 3: I sort of gone a bit faring costume.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: So I went back the next day, still in a pink dress, but in a more relaxed way, and they were like I want you to, like, okay, you need to come back and wearing blue like because I'd still gone in I think probably not really taken the note far enough. So my final audition was in Sydney, and I did go in wearing blue and white and a kind of much more relaxed outfit. They were like wear very minimal makeup. And I went in and I remember Rob Mills was in the room. He was auditioning for Fierro, and that from what I could gather, there was no other Fierro's and there were two el auditioning, one of which was Amanda Harrison, who got the role. And yeah, and I couldn't see any other Glinders, and I'd kind of really like put it out of my mind that anyone else was even auditioning for it, because I was just so focused on it being my role.
00:09:47
Speaker 3: And I.
00:09:49
Speaker 2: My boyfriend who's now my husband, Chris, who I had just started going out with. We then went up it was Christmas time. We'd gone up to the Gold Coast to hang out with his mum, and I was so nervous. I knew people were finding out that day and I hadn't heard anything, and I was getting so nervous, and He's like, just turned your phone off. We went to Byron for the day and just had a day off and I it was beautiful, and I just did put it out of my mind. And at the end of the day I turned my phone back on it like a million phone calls and messages and it was my agent. And I was on the driveway at Chris's mum's house in Eleanora and just was her.
00:10:19
Speaker 3: She goes, so, the thing with Wicked is it was a bit like I was on Australian idol or something.
00:10:24
Speaker 2: She's like, so she just kept saying yep so, and in her voice she sounded like I hadn't got it.
00:10:28
Speaker 3: And she's like, the thing with Wicked is.
00:10:30
Speaker 2: You got it?
00:10:31
Speaker 3: You're Glinda. And I was like, oh my god. It was so the best thing ever.
00:10:34
Speaker 2: And Chris and I went and had champagne on the beach and it was just I couldn't believe it.
00:10:39
Speaker 3: Wow, I still can't believe it.
00:10:41
Speaker 1: I'll get ghost bumps listening to that every time. For years, well over three years, fueled by that one single enormous goal, Lucy just poured her time and effort into preparing for a role that was imaginary, didn't exist, even down to the precon wardrobe that she would wear on the day. That level of focus, that level of dedication, it paid off. And I could end this episode here, but it is important to know that there were plenty of other roles that she didn't care and there's plenty of other goals that you or I will never achieve. So in a moment, I just want to play one more little thing. It's incredibly valuable advice from Lucy about how worthwhile that preparation is even if you don't get the thing you're after back in a moment. Thanks for listening to the show. Just a quick note here that if you're enjoying this episode, please do share it with someone. Sign up for the newsletter. I'll put the link in the show notes, says a YouTube channel with full video episodes and also links to we can get tickets for the story Club shows I do in Sydney regularly, and also the story Club YouTube channel. Lucy Jirach on the show today talking about how she achieved what she wanted after years dedicated herself thousands of hours. The full episode is fantastic. She talks about you know, going to dance school and you know, being the worst in the class and just persisting though, but what happens when you do all the work, When you do all that work and the outcome isn't what you hope. For so far, we've really focused on the persistence that led Lucy Durek to get that dream role, that perfect, happy ending. But perhaps I think the most powerful thing and the most freeing piece of advice that happened in this conversation from Lucy is when she shared her philosophy on not only competition but also fate. The mindset of which she goes about these things really shifts the focus back to your own effort, your own integrity, and that can allow you to let go of the anxiety of comparison and trust in the process and the value that you're gaining regardless of the outcome.
00:12:57
Speaker 2: If you, in your heart know that you've worked hardest that you can, then you've you can almost rest easier it because then you're like, I've done my part and if it doesn't work out, then it's not meant to be, or you know, some sort of fate sort of whatever.
00:13:11
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I do.
00:13:12
Speaker 2: Really, the older I get and the more I go on, the more I think nobody's actually in competition with anyone, because if you're going to get it, you're going to get it, and if you're not, you're not, and it doesn't matter who you're up against. If you're not going to get it and you're the only one for the role, they'll just not give it to somebody and they'll hold out and they'll find somebody else. And if, and again, if you are going to get it, then it's yours. And I sort of trust you have sort of a trust or faith in the universe or something like that, that the right things will come your way if you just keep putting it out there I think, or a version of the right thing for you and.
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Speaker 3: Keeping the work as well, keeping the work and keeping the goal.
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Speaker 2: Like I am also a person who I like having a goal because then it gives me something tangible to work towards. And even if you don't get that exact goal, you will often get something probably always get some version of that that will satisfy some part of your soul.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I reflect on that conversation all the time, and I just wanted you to have it too, because it's I know some I know you you needed to hear that today. I don't care where you are in your life, what you're doing in your life, you needed to hear that story today. And note what a note to end on pun intended musical theater pun intended. Like I said, I think about the conversation all the time, and I wanted you to hear it so you could think about it all the time too. It was so valuable to me, and it's going in the book as long as many others, but I couldn't want to wait for that. I think the biggest lesson there from this whole little arc, there's a lot more to the full episode. I think the biggest lesson there is it's not just about getting the role, it's about the effort that you put in. That no competition mindset really really really important there, because if you know you've done the hardest work you can, you can rest easy knowing you've done you've done your part. The ride or portu unity or reversion of that, as she says, that will satisfy yourself will inevitably show up. As my former manager, John Farraday used to say, he's unfortunately passed away. But John used to always tell me, only you know how hard you've worked to make your dreams come true, And Lucy's story is a perfect example of that. Like I said, the full episode is well worth a listen. You can scroll back in the podcast feed to go find it. This whole conversation today will give you an idea why. I mean. I was always excited when people pop their heads off on Mask Singer, but when Lucy Jiak showed up, that's why I went the full kermit. I'm in awe of that lady. The full episode is back there. Jump on the links in the show notes to get the newsletter and the updates. Thank you so much for listening. Please share the episode, rate like, subscribe, tell me what you thought of it in the comments or in the ratings, wherever you want to do it. It all helps us. And if you want to get in touch with me, they just hit reply on the newsletter. Lovely to hear from you today. Get on the YouTube to watch full video episodes. I'll see you back here on Wednesday.
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