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In this episode of Beliefs, Behaviors, Communication, and the Brain, I sit down with Tasneem Grace, a storyteller, writer, and Vice President of Mosaic Changemakers, to explore how creative expression can become a powerful path to emotional resilience.
Together, we discuss why creativity extends far beyond art, how play and creative practices help us reconnect with ourselves, and why letting go of perfection opens the door to greater joy, freedom, and growth..
Tune in for an inspiring conversation that will encourage you to embrace creativity as a meaningful part of your well-being.
Key Takeaways:
Fun Is a Practice, Not Just a Feeling - Joy can naturally come and go, but fun is something we intentionally create. Choosing to laugh, play, and make room for delight isn't a distraction from life's challenges. It is a practice that builds resilience.
Creative Practice Builds Emotional Resilience - Creative expression is more than a hobby. It is a personal practice that strengthens emotional resilience. By intentionally making space to write, create, and reflect, we take responsibility for our own emotional well-being instead of depending on others to regulate it for us.
Creativity Flourishes When You Let Go of Perfection - Perfectionism and comparison often keep us from discovering our creative potential. When we stop measuring ourselves against others and give ourselves permission to create imperfectly, creativity becomes an adventure instead of a performance.
Creativity Is Bigger Than Art - Creativity isn't limited to painting, writing, or music. It shows up in the meals we prepare, the clothes we wear, the way we style our hair, the words we choose, the gestures we make, and the unique touches we add to everyday life.
Protect What Restores You - Creative expression becomes most powerful when it is part of your regular rhythm. By intentionally making time for activities that restore you, you build emotional resilience before stress takes over.
Turn Creativity into a Ritual - Creative expression has the greatest impact when it becomes a regular ritual rather than an occasional activity. By intentionally protecting time for what restores you, you care for your emotional well-being before stress takes over.
About Our Guest
Tasneem Grace is a storyteller, writer, facilitator, and Vice President of Mosaic Changemakers. Passionate about creativity, community, and personal growth, she helps individuals and organizations explore meaningful conversations that foster connection, resilience, and transformation. Through her work, Tasneem encourages people to embrace creative expression as a way to reconnect with themselves, cultivate joy, and pursue lives rooted in authenticity and freedom.
Connect with Tasneem:
Website: https://mosaicchangemakers.org
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasneemgrace
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tasneem.gracetewogbola
Hosted by: Dr. Maiysha Clairborne
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we are walking creatives all the time.
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We just don't consider
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But it is.
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Welcome to Beliefs, Behaviors,
Communication, and The Brain, where
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we talk about what you say, what you
don't say, how you say it, and why
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it matters in leadership and in life.
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coach, consultant, mom, and lover
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of all things brain and behavior.
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I also happen to be a trained expert in
emotional intelligence, trust, safety,
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and trauma-informed communication.
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Each Monday, we will dive into the science
of human behavior and relationship,
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sharing tools that help you build capacity
and resilience as we explore what drives
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our beliefs, shapes our behaviors,
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I believe conscious communication is
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you're a leader, parent, spouse, or
just someone trying to operate in your
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highest self, learning the power of
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in your relationships and your life.
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So stay tuned.
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It's time to communicate what matters.
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welcome back to another episode.
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I am your host, and as always,
I am so grateful to be with
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you here for another podcast.
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Today, we are talking about
creative expression as the path to
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emotional resilience with my girl
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'Cause
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it all feel good.
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Feel good.
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So this sister right here I met
because, and I may have shared this in
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a previous podcast, I had the blessing
and opportunity to be a part of a
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fellowship called Mosaic Changemakers.
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Shout out to Mo South.
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Yes.
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And so the Mo Foles.
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Right?
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I first met Tasneem on the
interview, and immediately I felt
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that energy, that connected energy.
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And over the space of the next year,
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helped me to like blossom and bring my
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constantly, and the ways in which I grew
in the fellowship but in her presence.
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And part of that is because of who she is.
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I love to say that Tasneem, her zone of
genius, she is a master story weaver.
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She is an amazing creative soul
and spirit, and that's why we
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are talking about this today.
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She's also the vice president
of Mosaic Changemakers.
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Mm. And so I am so grateful to
bring her into this conversation.
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Welcome, Tasneem.
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Thank you, Maiysha.
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And to all those listening,
Maiysha said it right.
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Our love affair- … the sister
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Yes.
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It started with ability for
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It was beautiful.
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I remember surprising you in Memphis.
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the hotel we were at, and I said,
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Mm. And I knew, I knew that this love and
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This is- Yeah … such a good thing.
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So just share a little bit
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who you are, what y- you've come to
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I often think probably several times
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I think today the mode
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This is a discovery season for me,
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that I know to be true in terms
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And so the topic of
creativity, number one.
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Absolutely feeling as though-
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what brings me the most joy.
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So I'm a seeker of creative expression
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to ask that question of themselves.
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And to do it with enough regularity
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It's like, "Where am I now?" And the
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I'm gonna morph and I'm gonna flow.
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I'm a flow seeker.
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I love, I think you and I both
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Being in conversation.
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I really love that.
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nudge to speak the inquiry.
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So it may come to me, I might be
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the room, to offer it to the circle,
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What is that awakening us?" Yeah.
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" What gives us a kind of emotion,
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I would say also for folks to know
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four daughters, and I have one bonus
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Mm. I'm just amazed at
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I always say I'm a lover, I'm a writer.
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And lately, I'm a person
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I'm just trying to have more fun.
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That is so needed right now.
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I think that, with everything that's
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forget to play Especially when we're
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Like in this realm of justice and equity.
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And even bringing hope to where-
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we're so focused on doing
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Totally … to just, like, stop
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To call it into ourselves, And I
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Rasha, between joy and fun.
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It can come upon you.
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You can feel it.
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You can seek it.
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But you can also sit very
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But for me, play and fun
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It is.
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It is an active seeking of delight,
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but you also keep it activated.
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And, that's what I wanna do.
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Like, I might find it.
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It might be in laugh-
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This is fun.
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And so it also allows me to have this
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rest of the day, just- Mm-hmm … "Hey,
wasn't that fun?" So when I encounter,
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you know, the m- the mundane elements
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It's energizing.
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It is energizing.
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like a, you know, a shot of matcha life.
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joy is more sophisticated, and
fun is more infantile, right?
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Yes … whether I can hop on a paddleboard
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I believe you.
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It is energizing, and it is energy itself.
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A life gift
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could be more sophisticated because it
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takes a particular intentionality, to
diversify the ways that you have fun-
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Yes … to inquire about what fun looks
like at any given time- Absolutely
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to, you know, to reach for
fun in the mundane moments.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Like,, it actually can be
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I love it.
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I'm there with you.
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We had a good time.
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It was fun.
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And that's one of the things I loved
about the fellowship- is that when we dove
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There was always an element of
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And you all were so amazing at
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Breaking it up, even
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To me, movies are fun, even when
they're about hard things or things
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that I didn't even know about, like
documentaries that are, like- Yes
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inspiring and empowering things.
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Yes, yes.
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But, like, bringing in those
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Mm. The after hours karaoke.
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Yes.
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The spades games.
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You know?
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Like, all the things.
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The vip zap zop, you know?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Can you say shout, that is shout out,
shout out to Christian Hardy, our mo-
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director of play, and Renata Soto- Yes
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for hearing.
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She and I heard from fellows, this
is great feedback, that, yeah,
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we're talking about heavy things.
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How do we also believe that
lightheartedness is revolutionary, too?
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That we don't have to sit in the mud.
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That the mud can be fun.
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We know about jumping
in puddles, mud puddles.
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Yes.
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It's fun.
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Yes.
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And so yeah, I love that.
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, Thank you for reminding me that
that works, that that kind of
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balances out the work we came to do.
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Yeah.
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Which is, you know, talk about big topics
and imagine these everlasting coalitions,
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but we also want to talk about the
karaoke and the spades and the snacks.
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Yeah.
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That
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counts.
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Absolutely.
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That counts.
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And the neuroscience of it is there
because we know that fun helps
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to regulate cortisol, helps to-
That's right … keep cortisol low.
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When we're talking about these big
topics, when we're- Yeah … in the
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world, we're in a container, but we're
still kind of worried about the world out
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here, that stress raises the cortisol.
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But when we regularly incorporate fun
and play intentionally- Yes … that
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actually resets the cortisol.
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And so- Absolutely … neurologically
speaking, that helps us to
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really, like, regulate ourselves.
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Therein lies the blessings of
creative expression as a path- There
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it is … to resilience, you know?
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There it is.
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I absolutely agree.
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And Maiysha, I've done a thing, and I'm
very excited to share about it because-
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Please
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…
this is where I know for a fact
creativity builds emotional
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resistance, emotional resilience.
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Mm-hmm … I signed up
for a writing class.
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Oh, yes.
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And I'm a person who grew up writing,
grew up journaling, you know, probably
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somewhere have my journal from
when I was 13 with the little key.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yes.
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Um, and I knew, speaking of
sophistication, that as we
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become women, we're like, "We're
journaling now," you know?
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"We're documenting life."
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Yes.
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And extending from this childhood want to
record feelings, we become documentarians.
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Mm-hmm.
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But where I see it now
is we become creators.
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Mm-hmm.
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And something about intentional
creative practice- has brought me
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a kind of bliss- Uh-huh … that
helps me recognize two things.
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One, it is nobody's job but my own.
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Yes.
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That me and that paper and pen,
pencil, whatever I'm doing, even if
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I'm typing it, those words, just to
get the words down, the sensation of
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the writing- Mm-hmm … the cadence of
the sentence, the word selection- Mm
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becomes such a personal practice.
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I then get to take the
responsibility for my own emotional
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resilience- … off of other people.
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Ooh.
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So I don't have to say … and I'm
not rocked by emotional instability
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because now- Yes … I'm resilient.
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Yes.
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So every Tuesday night for the
past five weeks, I've been meeting
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with six women for three hours.
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Woo.
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And I have to creatively negotiate
time to figure out who's gonna
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take care of the daughters, right?
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Yes.
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So this one's a senior, this one's in
high school, this one… And all those
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things, and I make … Since I've called
upon people, and they come through.
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Yes.
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I pick up two girls, I go home, I have
45 minutes to spare, I refresh my oils.
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I get myself together.
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And then when I sit down in that
space where the only thing we
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have to tend to is our creativity.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is it.
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We don't even have snacks.
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I mean, occasionally we bring something.
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But we are the snack because-
Yes … what's delicious is time set
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aside- Yes … to just be creative.
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And for us, the creativity
is autobiographical.
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Yes.
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So how do you go in your mind
and respond to these prompts-
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Mm-hmm … that make you think about
expressing both memory and aspiration?
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Mm-hmm.
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And to do it in a creative way.
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it could be a list.
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It could be a poem.
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It could be an essay.
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It could be a memoir
style I don't know, prose.
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Yes.
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You can feel in the room, and
there's tears, and there's laughter.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we all admit after every single
week that we are able to reenter
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into our lives outside of that space-
Yeah … with our spine straight.
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Ooh
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Part of it, I think, is the
vulnerability that comes from the
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writing that is autobiographical.
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I think it is in the risk-taking
because we are an intergenerational
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and intercultural group.
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Mm.
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Ooh.
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So like, how much of myself am I
gonna share in this space, right?
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Yeah.
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But we're all female identifying people.
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We are all folks who are
interested in ourselves.
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Mm-hmm.
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So it's a place also to kind of luxuriate
in a beautiful kind of self-concern.
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Where, you know, you're like all this
language around, "Is that selfish?" No.
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No.
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In a creative space, selfishness
and self-fullness, that is
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the canvas for everything.
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I love that.
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In fact, we're like, I statements, mm-mm,
we're not talking about other people.
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I, what about you?" I know you wrote
about your mama, but what about you?"
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Yeah.
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"
I know you wrote about that
marriage or parenthood or the
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divorce or the abandonment.
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Yes, those are other people.
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But where were you in it?"
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Yeah.
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And for those of us who are so used
to having our lenses faced outward-
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Mm … and kind of diagnosing - Yeah
… , and coaching other people through-
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Yes … a kind of self-regard, I tell
you, sis, for three hours a week-
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…
an investment of three hours earns
me, I'm gonna say, seven days-
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Mm
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of emotional resilience.
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Wow.
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Look at that math.
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That's some good stuff right there
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And it has nothing to do with anyone else.
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Mm. Yes, we get the validation from
the listening that happens in the
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circle- Mm … but it's because we
decided to creatively pursue our own
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freedom, to creatively pursue it.
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I love that.
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You said so many things.
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The thing that I'm hanging on to
right now in this moment is this
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piece of the I statement about you.
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So, Yes … one thing I haven't shared
publicly is that I'm writing a book.
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Yes.
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And this book is about being
in right relationship at- Mm
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multiple levels, right?
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And so as a piece to that a lot of what
I'm doing is weaving my own story in.
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Yes.
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And what's been interesting,
is I find myself getting
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sick of writing about myself.
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Mm, that- and it's not like
getting sick of, like, I'm
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getting sick, but it's like- Yeah
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from the reader perspective, but in my
own mind, it's like, "Oh, am I writing
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too much about me?" I need to start
writing, I need to start incorporating the
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world and other things and other people.
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And what I recognized is that this is
something that showed up in my first TEDx
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talk where , my TEDx coach was like, "Oh,
y- we need more of you in the story."
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Yes.
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And I tried.
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Yeah.
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But when I listened to in comparison
to the one that I just did, there was
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really none of me- Mm … except for
to introduce who I am and what I do.
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But in this l- last one, the
whole thing was about me.
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And of course- And
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how did that feel?
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How did that feel different?
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It was challenging at first-
Mm-hmm … because I just was
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like people gonna get this?
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Like, I don't wanna
make this talk about me.
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Uh, this talk is about repair." But
then what I realized is and with the
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help of one of my coaches, is that
people will see themselves through my
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eyes and through my experience, and
that's what makes the actual teaching
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and framework and tools richer.
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So that was really interesting.
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But coming back to the book, it's
like, when you say just for me, like,
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this writing feels like that for me.
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Yes.
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It's gonna be for publication, but it
feels like as I'm writing, like, oh, I
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am, like, telling my story, recounting
things, remembering the lessons,
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like being re-grounded inside of the
learnings, seeing the personal connections
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to the learnings, to my journey.
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And so what you just did for me
in that moment just really gave me
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the freedom, 'cause I was actually
contemplating this earlier this morning.
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Gave me the freedom to be able to
tell my story throughout the book.
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And trust and have faith that it
will connect to the th- the later
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themes that are more like community,
organization, society, world.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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In terms of the right relationship.
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So I just, thank you for that because
it was such- Oh … a gift, right?
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Mai Mai, I gotta tell you, and I, I want
you to hear me fully as a person who
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has written for joy and for resources,
as a reader for joy and for resources.
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My eye and my spirit goes immediately
to the I pronoun in any writing.
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It is what allows me to care more
about you and me- … if I get
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a sense of Maiysha in the work.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you just give me theory and ideology,
I'm like- Mm … "This is nice." And
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because I exist, I'm imagining legions
also- Yeah … feel the same thing.
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Yeah.
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A deep attraction to, but
where are you in here?
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Yeah.
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This is great, and because I love
story, and I want to know yours.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so if I'm picking up someone's
book I'm anxious to hear about
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who Maiysha is in the book.
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I know she's brilliant.
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That's a given.
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But who is she?
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And so I think it's interesting too,
and I don't know where we picked
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it up, that there's a slight kind
of hesitation as though we're too
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full of ourselves or something.
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Mm-hmm.
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If it's like a uh.
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Someone will be like, "Oh, she's the
one talking about herself." Mm-hmm.
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And I'm really going, "She's talking
about herself." Because if you
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see you, then I can see me, 'cause
I'm looking for the me in you.
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I'm like, "I wonder what she's gonna
tell me about her life that then
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validates something I'm feeling."
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Yeah.
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And so if you just give
me ideas and strategy-
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…
It's not hitting me here.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna hit me here.
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Yeah.
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And I thank you.
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That's great.
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But I wanna pick up a
book in my spare time-
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…
Because you're gonna move me.
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Mm-hmm.
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And there's no better
way to say, "Come along.
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I'm gonna take you on this
little path back into- Mm-hmm
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some of the things I experienced." Yeah.
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I want you to just have fun saying,
"I'm gonna tell you about me."
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Yes.
468
00:19:46,009 --> 00:19:46,469
And you know what?
469
00:19:46,479 --> 00:19:47,419
It has been fun.
470
00:19:47,419 --> 00:19:52,339
Like as you talked about your writing
class and how you're just drawn in and
471
00:19:52,349 --> 00:19:56,389
like that, that three hours, like how
that gives you that emotional resilience.
472
00:19:56,779 --> 00:20:01,839
Even though I'm writing for something
different, like it is, I am so drawn in.
473
00:20:01,889 --> 00:20:03,699
I love this writing.
474
00:20:03,749 --> 00:20:08,356
And I'm using a little bit of what I've
learned in Mosaic, particularly around
475
00:20:08,366 --> 00:20:12,566
like bringing in some biomimicry and like
some- Yeah … metaphor around the body
476
00:20:12,566 --> 00:20:15,156
and some metaphor around nature and trees.
477
00:20:15,156 --> 00:20:19,616
And it's been like so fun to weave
that into like my own learning and
478
00:20:19,616 --> 00:20:23,736
like- Yes … my own, you know, like
comparing my own learnings to the
479
00:20:23,736 --> 00:20:25,076
roots and the soil and the da-da-da-da.
480
00:20:25,076 --> 00:20:25,356
Sure.
481
00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:29,296
And the gardening, because you
know, you girls and gardening,
482
00:20:29,306 --> 00:20:30,486
that's been my playtime.
483
00:20:30,496 --> 00:20:31,191
That's my thing.
484
00:20:31,191 --> 00:20:31,911
That's your fun.
485
00:20:31,951 --> 00:20:32,901
That's my fun.
486
00:20:33,691 --> 00:20:34,401
Yes, yes.
487
00:20:34,401 --> 00:20:34,421
You know?
488
00:20:34,421 --> 00:20:34,431
Yes.
489
00:20:34,431 --> 00:20:36,801
And going out and talking to the
plants, you know what I'm saying?
490
00:20:36,981 --> 00:20:37,601
Yes,
491
00:20:37,631 --> 00:20:38,571
absolutely.
492
00:20:38,811 --> 00:20:40,131
It's so beautiful.
493
00:20:40,631 --> 00:20:40,891
Me too.
494
00:20:40,901 --> 00:20:44,961
One thing- that I would love
for us to talk about, is when
495
00:20:44,981 --> 00:20:50,831
how people s- sometimes have the
belief or speak the belief, "Oh,
496
00:20:50,891 --> 00:20:52,771
I'm not creative in that way."
497
00:20:52,831 --> 00:20:53,331
Mm-hmm.
498
00:20:54,521 --> 00:20:56,561
I'd love us to… I love that.
499
00:20:57,643 --> 00:20:59,363
I remember that I, we hear that.
500
00:20:59,543 --> 00:21:03,783
We might have even s- said that
about certain forms of creativity.
501
00:21:04,013 --> 00:21:04,043
Right.
502
00:21:04,073 --> 00:21:07,323
I think we, I think it's fine to
give ourselves permission to expand
503
00:21:07,323 --> 00:21:09,233
what we consider creativity to be.
504
00:21:09,593 --> 00:21:10,143
Yes.
505
00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:10,643
Right?
506
00:21:10,673 --> 00:21:12,643
I think we have it somewhat in a box.
507
00:21:12,693 --> 00:21:18,013
Um, I think that if we think
about the difference between going
508
00:21:18,013 --> 00:21:21,003
for a run or going for a stroll-
509
00:21:21,223 --> 00:21:21,523
Mm.
510
00:21:21,523 --> 00:21:25,143
Yeah … I think of
creativity like strolling.
511
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:25,673
Mm-hmm.
512
00:21:25,673 --> 00:21:27,393
It's like ambling.
513
00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:29,303
Mm … let me see what these hands can do.
514
00:21:29,313 --> 00:21:29,613
Mm-hmm.
515
00:21:29,653 --> 00:21:34,423
It's like, um, maybe structure but not
a whole bunch of boundaries and rules.
516
00:21:34,483 --> 00:21:34,503
Yeah.
517
00:21:34,513 --> 00:21:38,953
So it can have structure and all that,
but I think there is a part of creativity
518
00:21:39,223 --> 00:21:41,693
that we get to ask to come forth.
519
00:21:41,933 --> 00:21:42,233
Mm-hmm.
520
00:21:42,233 --> 00:21:45,043
And so when we say, "I'm not
good at it like that," I don't
521
00:21:45,043 --> 00:21:46,303
know that we've asked yet-
522
00:21:46,763 --> 00:21:46,893
Right
523
00:21:46,943 --> 00:21:47,743
…
ourselves.
524
00:21:47,913 --> 00:21:48,613
Mm.
525
00:21:49,013 --> 00:21:51,243
So I haven't studied a
whole bunch of painting.
526
00:21:51,303 --> 00:21:51,323
Yeah.
527
00:21:51,653 --> 00:21:56,063
But I know when I w- if I'm gonna step
up to a blank canvas, my first thought is
528
00:21:56,063 --> 00:21:58,473
like, you know, I am a little hesitant.
529
00:21:58,513 --> 00:21:59,553
I'm a little self-critical.
530
00:21:59,593 --> 00:21:59,893
Yeah.
531
00:21:59,933 --> 00:22:01,713
But if I say to myself I don't know.
532
00:22:01,713 --> 00:22:04,743
Is there a painter in you, girl?"
And my other self goes, "Well,
533
00:22:04,743 --> 00:22:08,413
let's see." So that part of,
like, discovery and experimenting-
534
00:22:08,543 --> 00:22:10,403
…
I would assign that to creativity.
535
00:22:10,493 --> 00:22:14,733
So you would never say, "I'm not good
at trying new things," necessarily.
536
00:22:14,743 --> 00:22:19,723
I- it, that, that ref- that refrain only
lasts as long as you just stay still.
537
00:22:19,983 --> 00:22:20,223
Right.
538
00:22:20,233 --> 00:22:21,833
So as soon as you do anything-
539
00:22:21,933 --> 00:22:23,573
…
You know, you're trying something new.
540
00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:27,053
And so per- Mm-hmm … permission
to expand what creativity means-
541
00:22:27,163 --> 00:22:27,683
Mm-hmm
542
00:22:27,683 --> 00:22:31,283
…
to ask yourself, "Maybe
there is that thing inside me
543
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:32,483
that I just don't know yet."
544
00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:33,203
Yes.
545
00:22:33,253 --> 00:22:36,523
I think also getting with some
folks who love to try new things
546
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:38,293
is a way to invite more creativity.
547
00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:38,583
Mm-hmm.
548
00:22:38,583 --> 00:22:41,193
And together you can sit and go,
"You sure you wanna try this hang
549
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,573
gliding?" "Well, I do." Right?
550
00:22:43,833 --> 00:22:44,143
Uh.
551
00:22:44,143 --> 00:22:46,733
Like, sometimes you need that
nudge that we get when we're in,
552
00:22:46,793 --> 00:22:48,493
collective action and community work-
553
00:22:48,493 --> 00:22:48,773
Yes
554
00:22:48,823 --> 00:22:53,093
…
because we do have that hesitation, and we
are in a culture that certainly highlights
555
00:22:53,093 --> 00:22:54,723
people to the point of perfection, right?
556
00:22:54,723 --> 00:22:57,743
So we only think of, "You can
sing, it has to sound like Mariah
557
00:22:57,743 --> 00:22:59,383
Carey or Whitney Houston." No.
558
00:22:59,403 --> 00:23:00,083
Mm-hmm.
559
00:23:00,093 --> 00:23:01,643
We can make a joyful noise.
560
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:02,183
That's right.
561
00:23:02,573 --> 00:23:02,813
That's,
562
00:23:02,863 --> 00:23:03,003
right.
563
00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:07,153
Um, every piece of, of crafted
clay doesn't have to look like
564
00:23:07,163 --> 00:23:10,183
the most amazing sculpture ever.
565
00:23:10,183 --> 00:23:10,443
Right.
566
00:23:10,443 --> 00:23:10,833
Right?
567
00:23:10,833 --> 00:23:12,663
We, that's why we call things abstract.
568
00:23:12,673 --> 00:23:12,703
Right.
569
00:23:12,873 --> 00:23:15,323
So I think giving us permission
to say, "It doesn't, we're
570
00:23:15,323 --> 00:23:16,453
not going for perfection."
571
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:17,113
That's right.
572
00:23:17,593 --> 00:23:20,353
You know, we're just… I'm thinking
of, lately I've been thinking of
573
00:23:20,413 --> 00:23:23,553
the sound that children make when
they're playing when they go, "Wee!"
574
00:23:26,143 --> 00:23:26,173
Yes.
575
00:23:26,203 --> 00:23:28,593
And I think if we get to that moment
where you're like, "I don't know
576
00:23:28,593 --> 00:23:32,197
if I'm good at that- And think what
would it take for me to think, "Wee."
577
00:23:33,017 --> 00:23:37,327
Right at the moment of like, I don't
really know how to do charcoal drawings.
578
00:23:37,427 --> 00:23:38,377
Right.
579
00:23:38,987 --> 00:23:39,427
Well, let's try it out.
580
00:23:39,587 --> 00:23:39,607
Wee.
581
00:23:40,217 --> 00:23:40,387
Wee.
582
00:23:43,267 --> 00:23:46,057
And somebody's like, "That look
like something." Like I know, right?
583
00:23:46,537 --> 00:23:49,867
Like I just wanted… And that I
think perfectionism comes into it
584
00:23:49,867 --> 00:23:51,187
and cuts right into the creativity.
585
00:23:51,617 --> 00:23:51,737
Ooh.
586
00:23:51,767 --> 00:23:52,257
I do.
587
00:23:52,617 --> 00:23:55,437
I love, I, you spoke a word on that.
588
00:23:55,607 --> 00:23:58,237
'Cause I was just thinking about
this whole, when you, you said it
589
00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:02,427
as I was thinking it, oh, maybe it's
the perfectionism that we get so
590
00:24:02,427 --> 00:24:04,347
attached to it- Yes … looking like.
591
00:24:04,517 --> 00:24:07,137
And I think also it's like comparison.
592
00:24:07,337 --> 00:24:11,627
That comparison is like the
enemy- It is … of creativity-
593
00:24:11,777 --> 00:24:13,277
Yes … and fulfillment and joy.
594
00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:13,737
Yes.
595
00:24:13,737 --> 00:24:14,187
You know?
596
00:24:14,197 --> 00:24:14,422
Thief of joy.
597
00:24:14,422 --> 00:24:14,582
It is
598
00:24:14,582 --> 00:24:15,182
true.
599
00:24:15,532 --> 00:24:16,332
It is true.
600
00:24:16,462 --> 00:24:19,722
And I think too, like, I like to, if
I'm engaging in something creative
601
00:24:19,722 --> 00:24:24,702
that I haven't done before- … I give
myself permission to, um, in some ways
602
00:24:24,712 --> 00:24:26,572
pull a little Erykah Badu out, right?
603
00:24:26,572 --> 00:24:27,882
Like keep in mind I'm an artist.
604
00:24:28,242 --> 00:24:28,492
Yes.
605
00:24:28,492 --> 00:24:28,752
Right?
606
00:24:28,752 --> 00:24:29,272
You know?
607
00:24:29,272 --> 00:24:29,532
Yes.
608
00:24:29,532 --> 00:24:30,422
There's that part.
609
00:24:30,632 --> 00:24:34,382
But I think I also give myself
permission to say "Good for you,
610
00:24:34,382 --> 00:24:37,192
girl. You trying something out."
And like to call it adventure.
611
00:24:37,442 --> 00:24:37,662
Mm.
612
00:24:37,672 --> 00:24:41,692
Because adventure means like I don't
really know where this path li- it-
613
00:24:41,812 --> 00:24:43,642
Yes … will end me or how I'll feel.
614
00:24:43,652 --> 00:24:43,842
Right.
615
00:24:43,842 --> 00:24:45,262
But I know I'm still pursuing it.
616
00:24:45,292 --> 00:24:46,182
I'm strolling.
617
00:24:46,362 --> 00:24:46,512
Mm-hmm.
618
00:24:46,542 --> 00:24:47,252
I'm strolling.
619
00:24:47,302 --> 00:24:48,112
Mm-hmm.
620
00:24:48,112 --> 00:24:48,347
It's just a
621
00:24:48,347 --> 00:24:48,512
stroll.
622
00:24:48,512 --> 00:24:48,862
Yeah.
623
00:24:48,902 --> 00:24:51,612
Nobody counts the mileage and the
minutes when you're strolling.
624
00:24:51,862 --> 00:24:51,882
Mm-hmm.
625
00:24:51,892 --> 00:24:54,242
Nobody says like, "How
fast is your stroll?"
626
00:24:54,302 --> 00:24:54,912
That's right.
627
00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:55,252
It's
628
00:24:55,252 --> 00:24:56,562
like nobody says that.
629
00:24:57,292 --> 00:24:59,542
But if we start talking about running
a marathon, it's like, you know,
630
00:24:59,542 --> 00:25:00,592
what, what's your rates per mile?
631
00:25:00,612 --> 00:25:00,952
Mm-hmm.
632
00:25:01,022 --> 00:25:02,482
You know, we start comparing.
633
00:25:02,552 --> 00:25:02,942
Right.
634
00:25:03,092 --> 00:25:04,072
But a stroll.
635
00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:06,262
It's just a stroll.
636
00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:07,372
It's just a stroll.
637
00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:09,902
Whether you're in a wheelchair
or a walk or whatever, it's
638
00:25:09,902 --> 00:25:12,482
just moving along mindlessly.
639
00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:13,262
You're ambling.
640
00:25:13,482 --> 00:25:14,722
Let's see what this clay can do.
641
00:25:14,932 --> 00:25:15,392
I don't know.
642
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:23,242
Yeah, and so it seems to me that
what's required of us to really
643
00:25:23,282 --> 00:25:27,172
allow ourselves into creative
expression is the letting go.
644
00:25:27,842 --> 00:25:28,507
Oh, that's
645
00:25:28,507 --> 00:25:28,802
right.
646
00:25:28,802 --> 00:25:30,122
It's the letting go.
647
00:25:30,622 --> 00:25:31,012
Yeah.
648
00:25:31,212 --> 00:25:37,072
I too, um, I used to proclaim myself
as- Mm … not a painter, right?
649
00:25:38,022 --> 00:25:42,602
And then I was invi- and I would avoid,
I would totally avoid paint and sips.
650
00:25:43,152 --> 00:25:45,592
I have a girlfriend- Oh … who would
just be doing these paint and sips, and
651
00:25:45,592 --> 00:25:49,922
I'd be like, "Ah, when you have a party
where we're dancing, invite me to that."
652
00:25:49,932 --> 00:25:49,952
Yeah.
653
00:25:50,212 --> 00:25:52,282
But I am not a painter.
654
00:25:52,532 --> 00:25:52,622
Yeah.
655
00:25:52,912 --> 00:25:53,782
Nor do I sip.
656
00:25:54,372 --> 00:25:54,502
Yeah.
657
00:25:55,412 --> 00:25:56,852
So, so what am I gonna do?
658
00:25:57,322 --> 00:25:58,242
Right, right, right.
659
00:25:58,342 --> 00:26:03,382
But then my neighbor invited me to this
Toastmasters Paint and Poetry, and me
660
00:26:03,382 --> 00:26:05,652
and my neighbor were- Mm … trying
to get together for a while.
661
00:26:05,652 --> 00:26:09,502
So I said, "Okay, I think I'm just
gonna, like, do the poetry part,"
662
00:26:09,502 --> 00:26:12,712
'cause that's a, an, a form of
expression that I'm familiar with.
663
00:26:12,922 --> 00:26:13,002
Yeah.
664
00:26:13,602 --> 00:26:14,662
I don't know that I'm gonna paint.
665
00:26:14,672 --> 00:26:15,352
We'll see.
666
00:26:15,352 --> 00:26:15,572
Yeah.
667
00:26:15,572 --> 00:26:15,792
Yes.
668
00:26:15,792 --> 00:26:15,992
Yeah.
669
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:21,732
But I walk into the room- Yeah … and it
really is a paint with a side of poetry.
670
00:26:21,742 --> 00:26:21,772
Yes.
671
00:26:22,142 --> 00:26:24,422
So they set me up with the canvas.
672
00:26:24,722 --> 00:26:26,532
And I was like, "Whoop, well, we gonna see
673
00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:29,102
what happens."
674
00:26:29,102 --> 00:26:29,856
Yes, We gonna see what happens.
675
00:26:29,856 --> 00:26:30,866
This is an adventure.
676
00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:33,996
We don't know how it's gonna turn
out, but we gonna see what happens.
677
00:26:34,046 --> 00:26:34,546
That's right.
678
00:26:34,716 --> 00:26:39,776
And what I found is when I immersed
myself into the moment- I didn't
679
00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:44,626
realize how therapeutic painting
could be, just like I didn't realize
680
00:26:44,626 --> 00:26:46,256
how therapeutic gardening can be.
681
00:26:46,286 --> 00:26:46,526
Yes.
682
00:26:47,096 --> 00:26:47,286
Right?
683
00:26:47,996 --> 00:26:48,216
Yes.
684
00:26:48,286 --> 00:26:48,616
Right.
685
00:26:48,796 --> 00:26:49,056
Yes,
686
00:26:49,056 --> 00:26:52,181
yes, And my end product,
I was very impressed.
687
00:26:52,181 --> 00:26:56,331
I was like, "You did that. I mean,
you left some color out, some
688
00:26:56,341 --> 00:26:58,621
smudges outside," but I, I wasn't-
Right … even caring about that.
689
00:26:58,621 --> 00:26:58,741
Right.
690
00:26:58,741 --> 00:27:01,781
I had just given myself
permission for it to be imperfect.
691
00:27:01,781 --> 00:27:02,401
Yes.
692
00:27:02,401 --> 00:27:02,631
Yes.
693
00:27:02,631 --> 00:27:05,591
But I have that thing hung up
on the wall in my bedroom now.
694
00:27:05,651 --> 00:27:05,881
Yes,
695
00:27:05,881 --> 00:27:05,901
you do.
696
00:27:05,901 --> 00:27:06,291
You know?
697
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,561
And that painter self was in there-
698
00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:09,441
Exactly … hiding
699
00:27:09,491 --> 00:27:11,541
right behind the self-critical self.
700
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:12,281
Exactly.
701
00:27:12,471 --> 00:27:12,501
Mm-hmm.
702
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:18,081
And the painter- painting is now a
reminder- Mm … of what I now enjoy
703
00:27:18,121 --> 00:27:19,681
that I didn't think that I could do.
704
00:27:20,561 --> 00:27:20,821
Yep.
705
00:27:21,541 --> 00:27:24,111
What I now enjoy that I
didn't think that I could do.
706
00:27:24,571 --> 00:27:24,871
Mm-hmm.
707
00:27:24,871 --> 00:27:24,901
Yes.
708
00:27:24,901 --> 00:27:27,821
And I bet when you look at it on
your wall, that is what you remember.
709
00:27:28,061 --> 00:27:28,431
Yes.
710
00:27:28,441 --> 00:27:29,451
It's not the strokes.
711
00:27:29,451 --> 00:27:30,221
It's not the colors.
712
00:27:30,221 --> 00:27:30,971
I mean, perhaps.
713
00:27:31,281 --> 00:27:31,301
No.
714
00:27:31,331 --> 00:27:33,841
But it's also the reminder
that I didn't think I could do
715
00:27:34,281 --> 00:27:34,301
it.
716
00:27:34,311 --> 00:27:34,921
Right.
717
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:35,221
Definitely.
718
00:27:35,221 --> 00:27:35,291
That part.
719
00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:35,941
Mm-hmm.
720
00:27:36,951 --> 00:27:37,381
That part.
721
00:27:37,681 --> 00:27:37,891
Mm-hmm.
722
00:27:38,061 --> 00:27:41,771
And so now I'm seeking out, like,
oh, how can I… we did a paint
723
00:27:41,791 --> 00:27:44,891
and music- for New Year's Eve.
724
00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:47,035
And that was super fun.
725
00:27:47,035 --> 00:27:50,455
Sat and, listened to me and a girlfriend,
like same girlfriend in Houston
726
00:27:50,455 --> 00:27:51,445
invited me to all the paint and sips.
727
00:27:51,455 --> 00:27:51,475
Yeah.
728
00:27:51,645 --> 00:27:54,725
I said, "Come on. Come on over
now. , You can- I'm gonna let
729
00:27:54,725 --> 00:27:55,525
you host this paint and sip." She
730
00:27:55,525 --> 00:27:56,185
didn't give up.
731
00:27:56,765 --> 00:27:57,065
Right.
732
00:27:57,335 --> 00:27:58,485
I said, "Come on over."
733
00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:00,705
So now it's a part of my lexicon.
734
00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:05,545
Like I know I'm not perfect and I don't
wanna be but I know I can create beauty in
735
00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:09,565
the way that I see the beauty And I know
that sometimes that won't be so beautiful.
736
00:28:11,145 --> 00:28:13,335
But like, since you mentioned,
you said something earlier
737
00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:14,995
about something you made up.
738
00:28:15,055 --> 00:28:15,635
Like I made it up.
739
00:28:15,805 --> 00:28:15,865
Yeah.
740
00:28:16,375 --> 00:28:17,955
Everybody's making shit up.
741
00:28:17,995 --> 00:28:19,515
We are all making it up.
742
00:28:19,515 --> 00:28:19,615
Who's
743
00:28:20,235 --> 00:28:20,395
not?
744
00:28:20,695 --> 00:28:21,305
Mm-hmm.
745
00:28:21,305 --> 00:28:21,745
Who's not?
746
00:28:21,745 --> 00:28:24,915
I think about like things about
anxiety, I think about Stevie
747
00:28:24,915 --> 00:28:26,705
Wonder saying he still gets nervous.
748
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,745
I'm like, "Oh." Mm-hmm.
749
00:28:27,785 --> 00:28:31,195
I'm thinking about like him on that
harmonica for the first time, I don't
750
00:28:31,195 --> 00:28:32,865
know that it sounded like a melody.
751
00:28:33,125 --> 00:28:33,395
Mm-hmm.
752
00:28:33,415 --> 00:28:37,705
But I think to his ears, and I think
sometimes it's enough to say, "This ain't
753
00:28:37,705 --> 00:28:39,435
for everybody. This is for me." Yeah.
754
00:28:40,155 --> 00:28:40,185
Yes.
755
00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:40,685
"This is for my wall."
756
00:28:40,685 --> 00:28:41,275
Mm-hmm.
757
00:28:41,325 --> 00:28:43,025
This poetry is for my ears.
758
00:28:43,185 --> 00:28:43,415
Mm-hmm.
759
00:28:43,425 --> 00:28:47,105
But we do sometimes imagine that it has to
be mass produced and made commercial for
760
00:28:47,105 --> 00:28:48,685
things to feel- … like it's art, right?
761
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:49,695
Like, is it really good?
762
00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:49,735
Yeah.
763
00:28:49,735 --> 00:28:50,455
Would you buy it?
764
00:28:50,475 --> 00:28:51,845
People say that, "Well,
would you buy it?" Hmm.
765
00:28:52,035 --> 00:28:53,835
Like maybe it's not for purchase.
766
00:28:53,975 --> 00:28:55,025
It's not for purchase.
767
00:28:55,325 --> 00:29:00,365
Maybe it's for the purpose- Mm-hmm … of
me being reminded that I made something.
768
00:29:00,665 --> 00:29:01,195
That's right.
769
00:29:01,305 --> 00:29:03,325
If we take like, "Is
this good for the 'Gram?
770
00:29:03,595 --> 00:29:05,025
Do I have to put this on Facebook?
771
00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:08,355
Do I need to be able to sell this in
a boutique?" If you take all of that
772
00:29:08,365 --> 00:29:10,105
out, "Will anyone else wanna eat it?
773
00:29:10,255 --> 00:29:12,675
Is this really that delicious?" And
just go- Mm … "Do I like it?" Mm-hmm.
774
00:29:12,975 --> 00:29:15,165
Or, "Do I, have I enjoyed the experience?"
775
00:29:15,345 --> 00:29:16,265
Mm-hmm.
776
00:29:16,265 --> 00:29:19,505
Then that opens up new doors
of being able to, I think
777
00:29:19,505 --> 00:29:21,615
interpret the act of creativity.
778
00:29:21,845 --> 00:29:22,105
Yes.
779
00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:26,905
'
Cause you're not doing it for
anything other than just creating.
780
00:29:26,995 --> 00:29:27,315
Yes.
781
00:29:27,395 --> 00:29:29,765
And delighting yourself and
maybe surprising yourself too.
782
00:29:30,095 --> 00:29:31,615
Listen, improvving life.
783
00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:33,433
Oh, write it
784
00:29:35,763 --> 00:29:36,413
down Improves life It is for
785
00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:37,253
you.
786
00:29:37,483 --> 00:29:40,483
That's why we like karaoke, 'cause
nobody expects you to get up there
787
00:29:40,483 --> 00:29:41,883
and sound like anything but you.
788
00:29:42,313 --> 00:29:43,873
In fact, it be opposite.
789
00:29:43,873 --> 00:29:45,733
It's more fun when you don't.
790
00:29:46,983 --> 00:29:47,013
Right?
791
00:29:47,013 --> 00:29:49,293
You're like, "I'm gonna struggle
on this note, y'all," and
792
00:29:49,293 --> 00:29:50,753
everybody sings it with you, right?
793
00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:51,363
That's right.
794
00:29:51,393 --> 00:29:55,293
Imagine if… You know, and I think
we are driven by this idea of making
795
00:29:55,403 --> 00:29:57,403
everything commercial and professional.
796
00:29:57,413 --> 00:29:58,893
And it can take the joy out of it.
797
00:29:59,033 --> 00:29:59,233
Yes.
798
00:29:59,243 --> 00:30:02,393
It's like, "you did such a good job,
Maiysha. You think you can do 20 of these
799
00:30:02,393 --> 00:30:03,723
and we can sell them somewhere?" Like,
800
00:30:04,543 --> 00:30:05,123
no.
801
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:06,533
No.
802
00:30:07,903 --> 00:30:09,203
That wasn't why I did it.
803
00:30:09,663 --> 00:30:12,623
But even that, like that exercise
of going from, "I don't know if
804
00:30:12,623 --> 00:30:16,153
I'm good at this," to, "Wow, I
did that," emotional resilience.
805
00:30:16,153 --> 00:30:16,533
Yes.
806
00:30:16,583 --> 00:30:16,963
Yes.
807
00:30:17,043 --> 00:30:20,443
Tell me something else I may not be
good at and watch me do that thing.
808
00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:20,473
You
809
00:30:20,473 --> 00:30:21,263
do that thing.
810
00:30:21,303 --> 00:30:21,753
Yes.
811
00:30:21,753 --> 00:30:22,133
Mm-hmm.
812
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:22,323
Yes.
813
00:30:22,323 --> 00:30:23,203
In my own way.
814
00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:28,776
So maybe if even in our storytelling
we talked more about the pursuit
815
00:30:28,866 --> 00:30:31,176
of creating this bountiful garden-
816
00:30:31,246 --> 00:30:33,636
…
And less about, "Look at
all that I harvested."
817
00:30:33,916 --> 00:30:34,456
Yes.
818
00:30:34,516 --> 00:30:34,786
That…
819
00:30:34,826 --> 00:30:35,156
Right?
820
00:30:35,156 --> 00:30:37,116
We talked about, like, going
in and going, "Oh, God.
821
00:30:37,116 --> 00:30:37,646
It's a canvas.
822
00:30:37,646 --> 00:30:40,076
I'm not really sure how to do this,"
and less about, like, "Look at this
823
00:30:40,116 --> 00:30:41,876
beautiful display of all my work." Mm-hmm.
824
00:30:41,886 --> 00:30:44,536
Because that, the performance
of it is not the point.
825
00:30:44,536 --> 00:30:45,846
But the pursuit of it is.
826
00:30:46,056 --> 00:30:46,426
Yes.
827
00:30:46,466 --> 00:30:48,516
And uncertainty is in all of it.
828
00:30:48,516 --> 00:30:51,266
You really don't know if that seed's
gonna give you kale, or it might have got
829
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:52,806
mixed up and you got some Swiss chard.
830
00:30:52,826 --> 00:30:53,156
You don't know.
831
00:30:53,406 --> 00:30:53,866
You can't tell.
832
00:30:54,446 --> 00:30:54,606
It's scary.
833
00:30:55,526 --> 00:30:56,786
Right.
834
00:30:56,786 --> 00:31:01,346
But, like, the point is, like,
the hands in the soil, right?
835
00:31:01,356 --> 00:31:01,376
Mm-hmm.
836
00:31:01,386 --> 00:31:04,966
it's the fight to make sure those possums
don't get everything out of that garden.
837
00:31:05,426 --> 00:31:05,456
Yes,
838
00:31:05,546 --> 00:31:06,656
mm-hmm.
839
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,356
Ma'am,
840
00:31:07,446 --> 00:31:07,556
ma'am.
841
00:31:07,556 --> 00:31:08,266
The netting.
842
00:31:08,276 --> 00:31:08,846
the net.
843
00:31:08,936 --> 00:31:09,616
I've had to put the net
844
00:31:09,616 --> 00:31:09,636
up.
845
00:31:09,636 --> 00:31:11,276
Mine went under the net.
846
00:31:11,386 --> 00:31:15,036
The raccoons went under… And
do you know now that collard
847
00:31:15,036 --> 00:31:16,276
green has re-seeded itself?
848
00:31:16,286 --> 00:31:17,876
I just, I left it alone.
849
00:31:18,136 --> 00:31:18,456
Oh,
850
00:31:18,496 --> 00:31:19,286
wow.
851
00:31:19,366 --> 00:31:19,796
That's what I'm talking
852
00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:19,889
about.
853
00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:22,416
And I think that's some
natural creativity.
854
00:31:22,446 --> 00:31:22,726
Yes.
855
00:31:22,736 --> 00:31:22,806
Right?
856
00:31:22,806 --> 00:31:23,706
Like, "You know what?
857
00:31:23,706 --> 00:31:24,396
Stop watching me.
858
00:31:24,396 --> 00:31:24,926
Let me work.
859
00:31:25,046 --> 00:31:25,996
Let me see what I'm gonna do."
860
00:31:26,186 --> 00:31:26,306
Yeah.
861
00:31:26,846 --> 00:31:27,126
Girl.
862
00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:28,046
And so same thing.
863
00:31:28,066 --> 00:31:29,426
I don't know what this painting gonna be.
864
00:31:29,436 --> 00:31:29,686
Mm-hmm.
865
00:31:29,696 --> 00:31:34,056
And I have to believe that the greats,
right, the people that we put in museums
866
00:31:34,176 --> 00:31:38,456
also worked through those moments- … of,
like, uncertainty is part of the I
867
00:31:38,476 --> 00:31:40,386
don't know what this is gonna look like.
868
00:31:40,626 --> 00:31:40,886
Yeah.
869
00:31:40,906 --> 00:31:41,766
But it's gonna be something.
870
00:31:42,866 --> 00:31:47,666
And most likely, the things that they
least thought would take them somewhere
871
00:31:47,666 --> 00:31:49,756
were the things that we all remember.
872
00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:52,984
And
873
00:31:52,984 --> 00:31:57,084
that does not get put in how
we tell the story sometimes.
874
00:31:57,084 --> 00:31:57,144
Mm-hmm.
875
00:31:57,254 --> 00:32:00,994
We don't talk about, like, "Well, that
wasn't even my best draft of that."
876
00:32:01,184 --> 00:32:01,824
Okay.
877
00:32:02,144 --> 00:32:02,224
Right.
878
00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:02,604
We don't.
879
00:32:02,614 --> 00:32:06,324
We go right to finished product and making
sure it looks polished, and we miss all
880
00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:07,904
of this beautiful stuff in the middle.
881
00:32:08,084 --> 00:32:08,584
That's right.
882
00:32:08,644 --> 00:32:10,984
That's the invitation for
us to be creative, and
883
00:32:10,984 --> 00:32:12,624
therefore emotional resilient.
884
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:13,574
That's right.
885
00:32:13,964 --> 00:32:15,494
So, I wanna, riff for a moment.
886
00:32:15,654 --> 00:32:19,304
let's just start naming all the ways
that people can creatively express.
887
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,064
we've talked about painting,
we've talked about writing.
888
00:32:21,124 --> 00:32:22,644
Like, what are all the ways?
889
00:32:22,674 --> 00:32:24,834
Yeah … I'm gonna say, 'cause
you mentioned it earlier-
890
00:32:25,074 --> 00:32:25,304
Yeah
891
00:32:25,484 --> 00:32:26,184
…
cooking.
892
00:32:27,344 --> 00:32:28,034
Absolutely.
893
00:32:28,034 --> 00:32:29,154
With recipe or not.
894
00:32:29,494 --> 00:32:30,774
With recipe or not.
895
00:32:31,044 --> 00:32:34,934
Creative cooking sometimes- Mm … is
by taste- Yep … or by imagination.
896
00:32:35,384 --> 00:32:35,644
And- Or by
897
00:32:35,644 --> 00:32:36,484
imagination.
898
00:32:36,544 --> 00:32:36,594
That's right
899
00:32:36,594 --> 00:32:38,534
the way you intended or not.
900
00:32:38,594 --> 00:32:38,914
Mm-hmm.
901
00:32:38,924 --> 00:32:40,484
And sometimes better, and sometimes-
902
00:32:40,484 --> 00:32:40,644
Yes.
903
00:32:41,224 --> 00:32:42,374
…
we're running down the drain.
904
00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:43,344
Absolutely.
905
00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:44,634
I think fashion-
906
00:32:45,272 --> 00:32:45,752
Ooh
907
00:32:45,952 --> 00:32:49,212
I think like getting a, there's, I
have given myself permission to wear
908
00:32:49,212 --> 00:32:52,702
things that back in seventh grade Tasnim
would've been like, "That don't match."
909
00:32:53,182 --> 00:32:53,702
Yes.
910
00:32:53,732 --> 00:32:56,852
'
Cause that's, that shade of red or
that shade of brown is not… And now
911
00:32:56,852 --> 00:33:00,692
I'm saying to myself, "Oh, but it's
beautiful," and that's the point.
912
00:33:00,752 --> 00:33:00,782
Yes.
913
00:33:01,052 --> 00:33:03,162
I would say fashion is
creativity for sure.
914
00:33:03,182 --> 00:33:09,932
I absolutely, and right along the same
veins- … is makeup and hair- Same.
915
00:33:09,932 --> 00:33:10,552
… is creativity.
916
00:33:10,942 --> 00:33:13,532
Girl, let me tell you, when I was
going to do my TEDx that morning,
917
00:33:13,532 --> 00:33:14,692
I went to the makeup artist.
918
00:33:15,052 --> 00:33:15,762
Yeah.
919
00:33:15,852 --> 00:33:21,492
When the way she was focused in what she
was doing, I was like- Yeah … I told
920
00:33:21,492 --> 00:33:25,682
her, I was like, "You a whole artist." She
had me, as the kids say, she had me beat.
921
00:33:26,342 --> 00:33:28,202
Girl, You was a gods.
922
00:33:28,472 --> 00:33:29,872
You was beat all the way.
923
00:33:30,592 --> 00:33:35,222
I was like, "Girl, I if it wasn't for
my, germaphobia, I would go to sleep in
924
00:33:35,242 --> 00:33:36,382
this and wear it for a couple of days."
925
00:33:37,972 --> 00:33:39,805
But I can't lay on a pillow
with makeup on my face.
926
00:33:39,805 --> 00:33:40,169
You can't, you
927
00:33:40,169 --> 00:33:40,533
can't do it.
928
00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:40,775
You can't
929
00:33:40,775 --> 00:33:41,018
do it.
930
00:33:41,018 --> 00:33:41,532
I can't clog my
931
00:33:41,532 --> 00:33:41,942
pores.
932
00:33:41,942 --> 00:33:42,807
My skin is too good, girl.
933
00:33:42,807 --> 00:33:43,314
That's… No, no,
934
00:33:43,314 --> 00:33:44,492
come on dermatology.
935
00:33:44,492 --> 00:33:44,932
Right.
936
00:33:44,932 --> 00:33:45,372
Right,
937
00:33:45,372 --> 00:33:45,812
right.
938
00:33:45,812 --> 00:33:46,792
Like mm-mm,
939
00:33:46,802 --> 00:33:47,542
that's not good for my skin.
940
00:33:47,542 --> 00:33:48,059
your skin.
941
00:33:48,059 --> 00:33:52,679
But, but like I think that is,
people like underestimate the level
942
00:33:52,679 --> 00:33:58,009
of artistry and creativity- Mm. it
takes to put makeup on in a way that
943
00:33:58,029 --> 00:34:01,559
compliments each individual's face.
944
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:07,095
Before we get back to the episode,
I wanna take a moment to share
945
00:34:07,095 --> 00:34:08,255
something close to my heart.
946
00:34:08,835 --> 00:34:13,615
17 years ago, someone saw my leadership
before I could see it myself.
947
00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:18,465
That experience changed everything
for me, and that's exactly why
948
00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:20,615
I created the Remap Cohort.
949
00:34:20,955 --> 00:34:25,855
If you're a woman physician or leader
in healthcare who's tired of being
950
00:34:25,855 --> 00:34:30,125
talked over, burned out from carrying
conversations you don't have language
951
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:34,865
for, or just craving a space where
you don't have to explain being the
952
00:34:34,905 --> 00:34:37,155
only one in the room, this is for you.
953
00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:43,485
Remap is a four-month cohort, a small,
intimate community for women physicians
954
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:48,535
and leaders in healthcare where you'll
build real communication skills and
955
00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:54,045
community, navigate the hard stuff, and
yes, earn CME credit in the process.
956
00:34:54,405 --> 00:34:58,405
22 category one AMA CME to be exact.
957
00:34:58,545 --> 00:35:01,745
Listen, you deserve a space that
pours into you, not one that
958
00:35:01,745 --> 00:35:03,325
continues to extract from you.
959
00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:07,325
Find out more, reserve your spot,
or schedule a discovery call
960
00:35:07,415 --> 00:35:11,005
at mindremappingacademy.com.
961
00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:13,075
Also, the link is in the show notes.
962
00:35:14,007 --> 00:35:17,777
I'm good for a two-minute face, and I say-
Yes … I do a darn good job with that.
963
00:35:17,997 --> 00:35:19,857
But this sister right here.
964
00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:21,347
Absolutely.
965
00:35:21,477 --> 00:35:22,407
Agreed.
966
00:35:22,727 --> 00:35:23,057
Agree.
967
00:35:23,057 --> 00:35:24,207
Can I throw another one out there?
968
00:35:24,207 --> 00:35:28,157
First of all, let's shout out the
fact that we are now two TEDxes in.
969
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:28,177
Oh.
970
00:35:28,217 --> 00:35:29,797
Just wanna put that in there.
971
00:35:30,797 --> 00:35:32,187
I think language.
972
00:35:32,377 --> 00:35:32,797
Yes.
973
00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:32,837
Of
974
00:35:32,837 --> 00:35:32,877
course.
975
00:35:32,877 --> 00:35:36,567
I think the moment, and you and I have
it, and we do it all the time, the
976
00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:40,537
moment when you meet somebody and you
have a home speak, a language that is
977
00:35:40,537 --> 00:35:43,847
reserved for those who make your heart
beat a little faster- Yes … and you
978
00:35:43,847 --> 00:35:47,937
meet that person, and it just one word,
sis, one word, and you go, "Girl."
979
00:35:49,377 --> 00:35:49,407
Right.
980
00:35:49,407 --> 00:35:50,022
You right.
981
00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:52,767
And you keep it going
till it's like a trill.
982
00:35:53,007 --> 00:35:53,297
Yes.
983
00:35:53,337 --> 00:35:55,407
That is creative.
984
00:35:55,597 --> 00:35:55,627
Yes.
985
00:35:55,637 --> 00:35:58,987
Or like the way that we dap 'em
up or we go, "All right." Yeah.
986
00:35:58,987 --> 00:36:03,217
Like, what is that… All of, the way
we have fun with the language, right?
987
00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:03,997
Yes.
988
00:36:04,167 --> 00:36:04,527
Yes.
989
00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:05,687
It is… I was doing AI.
990
00:36:05,687 --> 00:36:07,537
I ha- I asked AI a question.
991
00:36:07,537 --> 00:36:09,337
Me and my girls are playing around
with AI, and I was like, "Let's just
992
00:36:09,337 --> 00:36:10,777
play with AI," and I was using Claude.
993
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:14,507
I said, "Let's ask him to reframe this
response in Black English," and my
994
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:16,317
daughters are like, "What?" And girl.
995
00:36:17,017 --> 00:36:17,047
What?
996
00:36:17,047 --> 00:36:17,067
Do
997
00:36:17,207 --> 00:36:20,727
you, do you know Claude was
like, Claude said, "All right.
998
00:36:20,777 --> 00:36:21,557
Boom." I said,
999
00:36:24,127 --> 00:36:24,177
"Oh." What?
1000
00:36:24,177 --> 00:36:24,187
Claude.
1001
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,349
And in that moment we went from, like,
interrogating AI and and its uses
1002
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:32,129
and its abuses to, like, having fun.
1003
00:36:32,219 --> 00:36:32,779
Yes.
1004
00:36:33,009 --> 00:36:36,349
And we started- Yeah … playing around
with and it, it became, like, creative,
1005
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:37,999
and our language becomes creative.
1006
00:36:37,999 --> 00:36:41,179
And- Yeah … I tease the girls, like
you just said, you know, my face is beat.
1007
00:36:41,439 --> 00:36:42,969
Or little things that we do.
1008
00:36:42,969 --> 00:36:46,559
There's a whole scene in something I
watched, She The People on Netflix, right?
1009
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:46,939
Oh, yes.
1010
00:36:46,939 --> 00:36:50,899
Total… And do you remember that scene
where they didn't speak, all they did was
1011
00:36:51,469 --> 00:36:51,739
Yep.
1012
00:36:53,709 --> 00:36:53,969
Yes.
1013
00:36:54,509 --> 00:36:56,659
And that in itself was a language.
1014
00:36:56,929 --> 00:36:57,319
Yes.
1015
00:36:57,329 --> 00:37:00,159
So if you say if Delson says,
"Can I go to the bathroom?" And
1016
00:37:00,169 --> 00:37:02,289
you like, he knows that mean no.
1017
00:37:02,489 --> 00:37:03,089
Exactly.
1018
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:04,679
I love how we teach it.
1019
00:37:04,939 --> 00:37:07,759
I love how we play with
movement and language.
1020
00:37:08,009 --> 00:37:13,459
I love how even gestures and utterances
become a whole language unto themselves.
1021
00:37:13,469 --> 00:37:16,549
And I don't know nobody, I'm sure
in other places they will proclaim
1022
00:37:16,549 --> 00:37:19,379
this, but I don't know nobody
don't do it like African people.
1023
00:37:19,529 --> 00:37:20,889
The way we take a
1024
00:37:21,329 --> 00:37:21,609
Yeah.
1025
00:37:21,609 --> 00:37:21,819
Right.
1026
00:37:23,429 --> 00:37:23,459
What?
1027
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:24,714
Or a
1028
00:37:24,714 --> 00:37:24,829
"
Tsk." How?
1029
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:25,959
Tsk.
1030
00:37:25,959 --> 00:37:30,609
G- You can be in Jamaica, you can be
in Ecuador, you can be in Ghana- Right
1031
00:37:30,619 --> 00:37:34,354
or Harlem or Atlanta, Black people
all will have these little tsk.
1032
00:37:34,354 --> 00:37:34,939
Mm-mm.
1033
00:37:34,939 --> 00:37:35,404
Mm-mm"
1034
00:37:35,644 --> 00:37:36,244
I know you didn't.
1035
00:37:36,244 --> 00:37:36,264
My
1036
00:37:36,264 --> 00:37:41,504
15-year-old, I asked her a question, she
go, hmm." I'm like, I'm like, "Stop being
1037
00:37:41,534 --> 00:37:43,784
smart." And she's like, "I didn't say
anything." I'm like, "Y- y- yes you did.
1038
00:37:44,134 --> 00:37:45,514
You said 'mm' the way you said
'mm' no." The way you said "mm."
1039
00:37:45,514 --> 00:37:45,574
Mm. The way you said it.
1040
00:37:45,574 --> 00:37:45,774
The way you move your lips, Mai
Mai, the way you do like… I was
1041
00:37:46,564 --> 00:37:46,624
like… Side
1042
00:37:46,624 --> 00:37:46,691
eye.
1043
00:37:46,691 --> 00:37:47,004
How do we learn
1044
00:37:49,584 --> 00:37:49,684
that?
1045
00:37:50,944 --> 00:37:51,134
The
1046
00:37:53,194 --> 00:37:56,074
side eye, you know.
1047
00:37:56,164 --> 00:37:56,264
It's,
1048
00:37:56,654 --> 00:38:00,074
this is proof that if someone says
I'm not creative like that, we are
1049
00:38:00,074 --> 00:38:02,464
walking creatives all the time.
1050
00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,534
We just don't consider
that to be creativity.
1051
00:38:05,644 --> 00:38:06,414
But it is.
1052
00:38:06,424 --> 00:38:09,424
It's when you bring nuance to
a thing, when you add a little,
1053
00:38:09,644 --> 00:38:11,364
you know, little jeje, right?
1054
00:38:11,374 --> 00:38:11,404
Yes.
1055
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:14,444
It's that extra dash of hot
sauce on top of the deviled eggs.
1056
00:38:14,914 --> 00:38:15,654
Mm-hmm.
1057
00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:15,854
Who put hot sauce on their deviled eggs?
1058
00:38:15,854 --> 00:38:16,204
Who do that?
1059
00:38:16,404 --> 00:38:16,689
They… Somebody.
1060
00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:16,804
Creative.
1061
00:38:16,804 --> 00:38:16,919
Right.
1062
00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:17,034
Creative.
1063
00:38:17,034 --> 00:38:17,384
Somebody
1064
00:38:17,404 --> 00:38:17,424
do.
1065
00:38:18,044 --> 00:38:18,234
Right.
1066
00:38:20,724 --> 00:38:25,154
And so all of that playing and just,
like, how do I put my own spin on it?
1067
00:38:25,334 --> 00:38:25,494
Yeah.
1068
00:38:25,624 --> 00:38:26,414
Creative.
1069
00:38:26,564 --> 00:38:26,934
Yes.
1070
00:38:27,154 --> 00:38:29,914
And maybe we won't say, "Well,
those people are creative," or,
1071
00:38:29,914 --> 00:38:31,994
"You know, they do it because
they're creative." No, you too.
1072
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:35,614
… You're breathing- You're creative
… and therefore you're doing it.
1073
00:38:35,982 --> 00:38:36,052
That's right.
1074
00:38:36,052 --> 00:38:36,088
That's right.
1075
00:38:36,088 --> 00:38:40,342
And so re- a reframe leaves us all
feeling, I think, very capable.
1076
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,682
Of putting a little shine or
a little twist on something.
1077
00:38:43,882 --> 00:38:44,072
Mm-hmm.
1078
00:38:44,072 --> 00:38:46,932
And like, you know, "Hmm. Okay.
I thought I was an accountant,
1079
00:38:46,972 --> 00:38:48,372
but clearly I'm a creative."
1080
00:38:48,752 --> 00:38:48,842
Right?
1081
00:38:49,402 --> 00:38:49,492
Yes.
1082
00:38:49,492 --> 00:38:49,572
Yeah.
1083
00:38:49,642 --> 00:38:51,432
You are a numerical creative.
1084
00:38:52,272 --> 00:38:52,372
Boom.
1085
00:38:52,572 --> 00:38:53,662
Boom.
1086
00:38:53,812 --> 00:38:54,202
Boom.
1087
00:38:54,202 --> 00:38:54,542
There you go.
1088
00:38:55,862 --> 00:38:56,505
That's what I'm talking about.
1089
00:38:56,505 --> 00:38:56,891
I like that.
1090
00:38:56,891 --> 00:38:57,020
Yeah.
1091
00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:59,550
I wanna throw one more in there-
Okay … 'cause I, I- Yeah … my
1092
00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,080
sister, she's a creative like this.
1093
00:39:01,390 --> 00:39:01,410
Yeah.
1094
00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:06,406
And that is- interior
design, designing spaces.
1095
00:39:07,206 --> 00:39:11,066
'Cause, 'cause I can say
that I am not great at that.
1096
00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:14,206
I r- rely on some people for that, right?
1097
00:39:14,206 --> 00:39:14,556
Yeah, I feel you.
1098
00:39:14,556 --> 00:39:17,246
I mean, I, you know,
color coordination, eeh.
1099
00:39:17,336 --> 00:39:17,546
Absolutely.
1100
00:39:18,006 --> 00:39:18,036
Yes.
1101
00:39:18,036 --> 00:39:18,376
But,
1102
00:39:18,376 --> 00:39:20,866
but you know, like I
think that's a gift too.
1103
00:39:21,066 --> 00:39:22,876
Oh my God, absolutely.
1104
00:39:22,876 --> 00:39:22,896
People who
1105
00:39:22,896 --> 00:39:27,016
can work with spaces, whether they're
whole houses, whether they're little
1106
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:31,396
tiny spaces- Absolutely … I think that
is just magical to see people do that.
1107
00:39:31,396 --> 00:39:31,406
Oh,
1108
00:39:31,426 --> 00:39:36,156
And it's like they see something
in a blank room that other people
1109
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:37,886
do not see in that same way.
1110
00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:38,726
Yes.
1111
00:39:38,826 --> 00:39:43,730
And I like to just- sit
back and go, "Let 'em walk.
1112
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:45,720
Let 'em work." I'm just like, "Whoa."
1113
00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:46,310
Mm-hmm.
1114
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:47,720
I absolutely agree with you.
1115
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,090
Where to put that painting,
how high to put it.
1116
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,460
There's a science to it for some folks,
but it's also- Mm … a soul to it.
1117
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:53,980
It is.
1118
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:54,170
Like, it's like-
1119
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:54,460
Yeah, it's a
1120
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,050
feeling
1121
00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:56,080
…
yeah, it's a feeling.
1122
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,180
Some
1123
00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:56,620
sway.
1124
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,290
Oh, they, boom.
1125
00:39:59,110 --> 00:39:59,580
Yes.
1126
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,390
Yep, absolutely.
1127
00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:04,400
And you walk into that room feeling
like, "Oh." The placement of flowers.
1128
00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:04,820
Yes.
1129
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:06,540
Where to put the mirror, right?
1130
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:06,750
Mm-hmm.
1131
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,080
What color accent… Your house has a
lot of beautiful accent walls and colors.
1132
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:12,240
What is that color
gonna make me feel like?
1133
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:12,500
Yeah.
1134
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:13,490
Yeah, people are gifted.
1135
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,330
They got that gift.
1136
00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:15,510
They be doing that.
1137
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:15,820
They be
1138
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:15,930
doing that.
1139
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:16,690
Yeah, they do.
1140
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:17,070
Yeah.
1141
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Appreciate
1142
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,280
it.
1143
00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:21,270
I think, you know, there's so many things
we could, we could go on, but I wanted
1144
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:26,470
to demonstrate for the audience, like-
Mm … we just went through a whole list.
1145
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:32,270
I had a, uh, one of my TEDx cohorts
on who, she does design thinking.
1146
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:32,290
Oh.
1147
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:39,110
And the way she described what she does,
I was like, "Oh, that in and of itself
1148
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,440
is a creative process." Creativity.
1149
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,390
That's right.
1150
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,780
I envision the movie A Beautiful Mind.
1151
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:47,760
, The part of the movie where,
you know, there's, like, all the
1152
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,180
numbers, like, floating across and,
you know, like, Russell Crowe's,
1153
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,820
like, seeing all the things and
it's like seeing the puzzle in- Yes
1154
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:57,200
On the screen that doesn't-
Yes … ex- exist, right?
1155
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:57,950
But still it's there.
1156
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:57,990
Yes, yes.
1157
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,060
Like A Beautiful Mind.
1158
00:40:59,060 --> 00:40:59,690
Mm-hmm.
1159
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:04,200
And I think that's a level of creativity
and I just want the audience to take
1160
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,610
away whatever you're gonna take away, but
also- Mm … to take away that there are
1161
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:14,970
so many creative avenues that you haven't
even considered inside of yourself.
1162
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,950
Absolutely.
1163
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:19,868
And I think creative avenues that you're
already walking down- That part … that
1164
00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:21,330
you don't consider to be creative.
1165
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:22,060
That part.
1166
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:22,080
Yeah.
1167
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,530
Because they feel natural to
you, because you think creativity
1168
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:25,730
has to feel uncomfortable.
1169
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,320
That's right.
1170
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,660
But y- I think we are natural creatives.
1171
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:29,030
Mm-hmm.
1172
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,700
We can give ourselves
permission to admit it- Yes
1173
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:32,850
and to pour more into us.
1174
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:33,140
Mm-hmm.
1175
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,700
Every time we look at young
girls with their edges swooped.
1176
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,240
Yes.
1177
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:38,050
That's creative.
1178
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:38,540
Yes.
1179
00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:41,100
People with their nails,
Flow Jo nails and you- Oh,
1180
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,480
yes
1181
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:42,670
…
that's creative.
1182
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:42,970
Yes.
1183
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:43,550
Yes.
1184
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:44,050
Right?
1185
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:46,160
When you style- Yes … your
jeans a certain way.
1186
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,900
Creative … wear two different
color socks on purpose.
1187
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:49,870
different
1188
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:51,450
colors.
1189
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:53,150
Or different colors.
1190
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:53,610
Right.
1191
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:54,360
Creative.
1192
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,370
Or
1193
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:56,510
on accident.
1194
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:56,520
Right?
1195
00:41:57,612 --> 00:41:59,812
I mean, it's some of- how some
of the greatest inventions were
1196
00:41:59,812 --> 00:42:02,122
discovered, 'cause somebody knocked
something into something else and
1197
00:42:02,222 --> 00:42:03,112
it was like, "Oh." Right, right.
1198
00:42:03,112 --> 00:42:04,612
That was a happy mistake.
1199
00:42:04,842 --> 00:42:05,132
Right.
1200
00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:05,862
Creative.
1201
00:42:05,872 --> 00:42:06,202
Creative.
1202
00:42:06,202 --> 00:42:06,252
Me too.
1203
00:42:06,332 --> 00:42:07,212
But yeah, I think that's it.
1204
00:42:07,852 --> 00:42:09,722
There's, there are avenues you
can walk down that you hadn't
1205
00:42:09,722 --> 00:42:12,642
considered, and there's avenues you
already walk down- Right … that
1206
00:42:12,642 --> 00:42:13,862
you haven't described as creative.
1207
00:42:13,862 --> 00:42:13,982
That's
1208
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:14,502
That's right.
1209
00:42:14,502 --> 00:42:18,512
And so I would hope people leave this
conversation feeling like, "Yes, this is
1210
00:42:18,512 --> 00:42:23,712
how I build my emotional resilience, but
it's also how I expand my own identity."
1211
00:42:23,982 --> 00:42:24,142
Mm-hmm.
1212
00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:26,502
That I too create things.
1213
00:42:27,082 --> 00:42:27,422
Yes.
1214
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:27,432
And
1215
00:42:27,482 --> 00:42:27,882
Yes, you do.
1216
00:42:27,892 --> 00:42:28,602
Yes, you do.
1217
00:42:28,902 --> 00:42:35,972
And the next time you choose to go on a
journey- … of creative expression, just
1218
00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:39,422
notice in the moments how you're feeling.
1219
00:42:39,472 --> 00:42:45,172
The different emotions- … that come
up as you move through it, all of them.
1220
00:42:45,182 --> 00:42:45,212
Yes.
1221
00:42:45,612 --> 00:42:50,692
And then notice how you feel afterwards-
Mm … for the next few days.
1222
00:42:50,692 --> 00:42:54,832
Because you said something- I love that
… in the beginning that I think is so
1223
00:42:54,832 --> 00:43:03,602
poignant, that three hours of painting was
worth seven days of emotional resilience.
1224
00:43:03,942 --> 00:43:04,972
Seven days.
1225
00:43:04,982 --> 00:43:05,692
Seven days.
1226
00:43:05,692 --> 00:43:05,922
Days.
1227
00:43:05,922 --> 00:43:05,942
Yeah.
1228
00:43:05,972 --> 00:43:11,772
And imagine, imagine if
you take an hour a day-
1229
00:43:12,252 --> 00:43:12,652
Ooh
1230
00:43:13,042 --> 00:43:15,892
how you're filling your tank, right?
1231
00:43:15,892 --> 00:43:15,912
That's good.
1232
00:43:15,912 --> 00:43:18,082
So the, the tank doesn't get
like- That's good, an hour a day.
1233
00:43:18,332 --> 00:43:19,512
Yeah, an hour a day.
1234
00:43:19,522 --> 00:43:21,742
Mm. So the tank never fully empties.
1235
00:43:21,922 --> 00:43:22,262
Mm-mm.
1236
00:43:22,262 --> 00:43:25,122
Like, you know, maybe there are
moments when things get real crazy,
1237
00:43:25,122 --> 00:43:26,812
but that means you got the reserve.
1238
00:43:27,122 --> 00:43:30,452
Because every day you're filling
your tank, you're topping it off.
1239
00:43:30,512 --> 00:43:30,529
Yes,
1240
00:43:30,529 --> 00:43:34,409
So then when things happen and, like,
maybe, maybe I can't get out in the
1241
00:43:34,409 --> 00:43:37,199
garden every single day, or maybe I
have to take a week off from practice.
1242
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,589
Like, I was traveling last week,
had to take a week off of practice,
1243
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:41,649
but I was- Mm … full enough-
1244
00:43:41,759 --> 00:43:43,039
…
That was good for me.
1245
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,059
And then I came back- Yes
1246
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:48,249
and this week I've been back in it,
back in the garden, and topping off,
1247
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:48,559
you know?
1248
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:49,089
That's right.
1249
00:43:49,089 --> 00:43:50,439
I like that, topping off.
1250
00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:51,649
I love that.
1251
00:43:51,999 --> 00:43:55,789
What do you think, Maiysha, of little
reminders to ourselves, a quick way to
1252
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:58,369
access that thing that might regulate us?
1253
00:43:58,459 --> 00:44:01,172
So sometimes I always have yarn somewhere-
1254
00:44:01,372 --> 00:44:01,452
Mm-hmm
1255
00:44:01,492 --> 00:44:02,592
…
and my crochet hooks.
1256
00:44:02,642 --> 00:44:05,802
And you will see me just quietly
working on a granny square.
1257
00:44:06,392 --> 00:44:08,882
And while it looks like I'm working
on a granny square for a larger
1258
00:44:08,882 --> 00:44:10,502
project, which I am, I'm also going-
1259
00:44:12,156 --> 00:44:12,886
Yes
1260
00:44:12,936 --> 00:44:14,466
'
Cause I know that's what it does for me.
1261
00:44:14,616 --> 00:44:14,636
Yeah.
1262
00:44:14,726 --> 00:44:17,856
I think some of us use podcasts, music-
1263
00:44:18,196 --> 00:44:18,566
Mm-hmm
1264
00:44:18,566 --> 00:44:19,576
…
travel, right?
1265
00:44:19,586 --> 00:44:19,606
Yeah.
1266
00:44:19,816 --> 00:44:21,786
A trip to California reset you.
1267
00:44:22,146 --> 00:44:22,486
Yes.
1268
00:44:22,486 --> 00:44:23,506
Top off and a reset.
1269
00:44:23,836 --> 00:44:25,216
Yes, absolutely.
1270
00:44:25,216 --> 00:44:26,686
And it does, it does all that.
1271
00:44:26,916 --> 00:44:28,566
An hour a day, what that would do.
1272
00:44:28,596 --> 00:44:31,286
I think the people around us might notice.
1273
00:44:31,386 --> 00:44:33,106
It's both for us and for them.
1274
00:44:34,156 --> 00:44:34,256
Yes.
1275
00:44:36,496 --> 00:44:36,666
Absolutely.
1276
00:44:36,676 --> 00:44:37,084
It's like, "You know, you've been
kinda chill lately. What's, what you
1277
00:44:37,084 --> 00:44:38,584
been doing?" Like, taking care of me.
1278
00:44:38,584 --> 00:44:38,774
Mm-hmm.
1279
00:44:38,774 --> 00:44:39,064
Taking
1280
00:44:39,694 --> 00:44:39,764
care of me.
1281
00:44:40,054 --> 00:44:40,894
Uh, you know what?
1282
00:44:41,204 --> 00:44:47,024
To your question, for myself, I
actually for me it's, it's the,
1283
00:44:47,074 --> 00:44:48,514
I'm a structure girl, right?
1284
00:44:48,514 --> 00:44:49,044
Mm. Mm-hmm.
1285
00:44:49,054 --> 00:44:55,144
So I put moments in my
calendar- Ooh … block them.
1286
00:44:55,184 --> 00:44:56,464
I block the calendar.
1287
00:44:57,074 --> 00:45:00,024
And so when I'm block- when that
calendar is blocked, like I know
1288
00:45:00,024 --> 00:45:04,894
midday around 12:30 is, like,
around the time that I meditate.
1289
00:45:04,894 --> 00:45:05,924
I do sitting meditation.
1290
00:45:05,934 --> 00:45:08,344
Maybe 15 minutes, maybe 10
minutes, maybe 30 minutes.
1291
00:45:08,644 --> 00:45:09,754
It just depends, right?
1292
00:45:10,454 --> 00:45:14,134
I know that from, you know, I, I
stop my calendar at 3:00 'cause
1293
00:45:14,134 --> 00:45:15,594
I'm gon- I go to get my son.
1294
00:45:16,154 --> 00:45:20,744
But then, like, even in that time between
when I get home and I do my hour of
1295
00:45:20,784 --> 00:45:23,354
admin, I walk outside into the garden.
1296
00:45:23,854 --> 00:45:24,094
Yeah.
1297
00:45:24,094 --> 00:45:24,204
Right?
1298
00:45:24,454 --> 00:45:29,054
So then at 5:00, 'cause I don't really
cook till closer to 5:30, 6:00, I'm just-
1299
00:45:29,054 --> 00:45:34,484
Mm … I'm like, "This is the time. Go
out and walk around." And then, you know,
1300
00:45:34,484 --> 00:45:39,974
like, I very intentional, and then my
son will keep me accountable to this, is
1301
00:45:40,394 --> 00:45:45,474
if we end dinner by a certain time, that
means we have 20 minutes to play a game.
1302
00:45:45,954 --> 00:45:46,164
Ah.
1303
00:45:46,224 --> 00:45:47,584
Lately it's been Battleship.
1304
00:45:50,332 --> 00:45:51,112
I love it.
1305
00:45:52,302 --> 00:45:53,032
You like, "Shh."
1306
00:45:53,412 --> 00:45:55,142
He- It's fun.
1307
00:45:55,212 --> 00:45:55,682
He loves it.
1308
00:45:55,682 --> 00:45:57,312
He doesn't like to lose-
Mm-hmm … but he definitely
1309
00:45:57,812 --> 00:45:57,942
likes that.
1310
00:45:58,502 --> 00:45:59,632
Yes, yes, he loves Battleship.
1311
00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:00,002
Yeah.
1312
00:46:00,002 --> 00:46:00,342
I love that.
1313
00:46:00,392 --> 00:46:00,412
Wow.
1314
00:46:00,412 --> 00:46:00,902
So I think it's really about- You
1315
00:46:01,162 --> 00:46:02,142
scheduled it in.
1316
00:46:02,262 --> 00:46:02,792
Yeah.
1317
00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:07,772
I think it's really about knowing
what works for you individually.
1318
00:46:07,772 --> 00:46:10,832
Like for me, what works is putting
it on a s- like the schedule.
1319
00:46:10,912 --> 00:46:12,552
It's like, all right- Mm-hmm … the
clock is time for this.
1320
00:46:12,572 --> 00:46:14,432
At this time, this is the time.
1321
00:46:14,632 --> 00:46:17,402
But for you it's like
having the yarn around.
1322
00:46:17,412 --> 00:46:20,692
Mm. Like for somebody else
it may be, okay, music comes
1323
00:46:20,692 --> 00:46:22,362
on at a certain time, right?
1324
00:46:22,412 --> 00:46:22,682
same.
1325
00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:26,392
So, and using biomimicry,
that is exactly right?
1326
00:46:26,402 --> 00:46:26,422
Mm-hmm.
1327
00:46:26,422 --> 00:46:28,852
Like things operate in seasons and cycles.
1328
00:46:28,892 --> 00:46:29,372
That's right.
1329
00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:32,312
That we know, A, everything
turns toward the sun.
1330
00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:32,462
Mm-hmm.
1331
00:46:32,462 --> 00:46:34,582
Everything wants energy from the sun.
1332
00:46:34,592 --> 00:46:34,612
Yeah.
1333
00:46:34,772 --> 00:46:39,542
Whatever that light is for you, if it
is Battleship or crochet or making- Mm
1334
00:46:39,552 --> 00:46:43,022
a great new meal creatively- Mm. Mm, mm
… that's light, and we're turning toward
1335
00:46:43,022 --> 00:46:44,582
that, so we feel like we need something.
1336
00:46:44,592 --> 00:46:44,612
Yeah.
1337
00:46:44,902 --> 00:46:49,402
I think that, , being able to
schedule it is the same way that,
1338
00:46:50,242 --> 00:46:51,722
the way the Earth is scheduled.
1339
00:46:51,842 --> 00:46:52,562
Yeah.
1340
00:46:52,662 --> 00:46:54,502
That after 12 hours, this happens.
1341
00:46:54,692 --> 00:46:55,432
Yes.
1342
00:46:55,622 --> 00:46:58,892
And so we use words like whimsy and
like, you know, some people just
1343
00:46:58,892 --> 00:47:02,902
want to willy-nilly and all that, but
we're still operating in a schedule.
1344
00:47:03,002 --> 00:47:03,392
Right.
1345
00:47:03,432 --> 00:47:06,262
And so I love that you're, you
said you're a structure girl.
1346
00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:08,022
I think maybe we all are.
1347
00:47:08,402 --> 00:47:08,582
Yes.
1348
00:47:09,232 --> 00:47:13,442
'
Cause that every Tuesday at 6:00,
we leave at 9:00, structure.
1349
00:47:13,452 --> 00:47:13,622
Mm-hmm.
1350
00:47:13,792 --> 00:47:14,422
Structure.
1351
00:47:14,612 --> 00:47:14,982
Yeah.
1352
00:47:14,992 --> 00:47:15,482
Structure.
1353
00:47:15,722 --> 00:47:15,742
Yeah.
1354
00:47:15,752 --> 00:47:18,662
What the carrying of the yarn, and
if it's for some people it's the
1355
00:47:18,672 --> 00:47:20,542
fidget things, right- Yes … that
makes them feel like they're-
1356
00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:21,052
Mm-hmm
1357
00:47:21,062 --> 00:47:21,922
relaxed and all that.
1358
00:47:22,072 --> 00:47:24,002
But I think that allows for accessibility.
1359
00:47:24,002 --> 00:47:26,332
'Cause I- Yeah … I have to wait
till the next Tuesday pop up.
1360
00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:27,838
But
1361
00:47:27,838 --> 00:47:28,788
I don't wanna wait.
1362
00:47:29,198 --> 00:47:29,298
Right.
1363
00:47:29,568 --> 00:47:33,358
And so I love how you have salted your
day with all these little moments, right?
1364
00:47:33,388 --> 00:47:36,628
I do my sitting meditation, and
then after that I take a walk.
1365
00:47:36,768 --> 00:47:37,648
I go to the garden.
1366
00:47:37,648 --> 00:47:40,678
If we dinner, if we finish early
enough, I do the… You have
1367
00:47:40,678 --> 00:47:44,268
resources in your pocket that you
can reach for that are accessible.
1368
00:47:44,588 --> 00:47:44,898
Yeah.
1369
00:47:45,278 --> 00:47:48,348
I would love it if the people
we love and the ones we're
1370
00:47:48,348 --> 00:47:50,428
learning to love think about that.
1371
00:47:50,788 --> 00:47:51,288
Mm-hmm.
1372
00:47:51,288 --> 00:47:53,358
Like, once you know that
something works for you-
1373
00:47:53,758 --> 00:47:54,068
Yeah
1374
00:47:54,098 --> 00:47:56,188
…
it's not helter-skelter, willy-nilly.
1375
00:47:56,238 --> 00:47:57,458
Put it down, that works.
1376
00:47:57,728 --> 00:47:58,688
Protect the time.
1377
00:47:58,848 --> 00:48:01,568
Right, put a sip of hot tea after dinner.
1378
00:48:02,788 --> 00:48:03,338
That's it.
1379
00:48:03,558 --> 00:48:03,718
Routine.
1380
00:48:03,808 --> 00:48:03,978
Yeah.
1381
00:48:04,568 --> 00:48:06,248
Watching House Hunters.
1382
00:48:06,468 --> 00:48:06,948
Yes.
1383
00:48:07,648 --> 00:48:08,568
Whatever it is.
1384
00:48:08,568 --> 00:48:09,638
Yes, yes.
1385
00:48:09,688 --> 00:48:11,198
I call it structured freedom.
1386
00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:11,218
Ooh.
1387
00:48:11,798 --> 00:48:13,808
Because in that time- Structured
1388
00:48:13,858 --> 00:48:14,368
freedom.
1389
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:16,388
That's nice … it's like
scheduled freedom, right?
1390
00:48:16,538 --> 00:48:19,888
You're on a schedule, but in that
time- Mm-hmm … you're free to be.
1391
00:48:19,948 --> 00:48:20,798
Absolutely.
1392
00:48:20,798 --> 00:48:20,968
Absolutely.
1393
00:48:20,968 --> 00:48:21,178
Right?
1394
00:48:21,528 --> 00:48:24,008
And when you give yourself that
structure, when you give yourself
1395
00:48:24,008 --> 00:48:28,458
that, that schedule, when you allow
for it, accountability, right?
1396
00:48:28,598 --> 00:48:28,998
Mm-hmm.
1397
00:48:29,008 --> 00:48:31,538
Then you know that's a time to be free.
1398
00:48:31,538 --> 00:48:31,948
Absolutely.
1399
00:48:31,948 --> 00:48:32,718
Absolutely.
1400
00:48:32,768 --> 00:48:36,318
You could be free willy-nilly when,
you know, random time pops up.
1401
00:48:36,688 --> 00:48:39,688
but when you have a schedule,
like we have schedules.
1402
00:48:39,688 --> 00:48:39,708
Mm-hmm.
1403
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:43,975
we being big in the world- We got
schedules … like, you facilitating
1404
00:48:43,985 --> 00:48:46,695
weeks and, you know, we- Yes
1405
00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:50,105
traveling to Cali and I got-
Yes … a son, you got, five girls.
1406
00:48:50,115 --> 00:48:50,282
Yes.
1407
00:48:50,282 --> 00:48:52,880
And, you know, you got
a husband and a mom.
1408
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,128
Mm-hmm.
1409
00:48:53,128 --> 00:48:54,490
And we doing all the things.
1410
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:57,060
We gotta schedule that joker.
1411
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,850
We do.
1412
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:59,960
And the Earth too is scheduled.
1413
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:00,500
That's right.
1414
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:00,510
Yeah.
1415
00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:03,210
This is not a sign of us
being anxious or unsettled.
1416
00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:03,417
Right, right.
1417
00:49:03,417 --> 00:49:06,570
This is a sign of us being wise
enough to know- all things in
1418
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:08,300
season and all things in time.
1419
00:49:08,397 --> 00:49:08,577
I
1420
00:49:08,577 --> 00:49:11,447
read somewhere too, I wanna add a
word 'cause I'm hearing schedule
1421
00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:12,927
and structure and routine.
1422
00:49:12,937 --> 00:49:15,577
And another word that I think
helps with this is ritual.
1423
00:49:15,807 --> 00:49:17,527
Ritual.
1424
00:49:17,547 --> 00:49:20,007
So if we are ritually creative-
1425
00:49:20,067 --> 00:49:20,677
Yes
1426
00:49:20,727 --> 00:49:25,227
…
this is the time when I light my
incense and I sit myself down.
1427
00:49:25,387 --> 00:49:25,747
Yes.
1428
00:49:25,747 --> 00:49:27,567
And I choose my meditation music.
1429
00:49:27,617 --> 00:49:28,087
Yes.
1430
00:49:28,127 --> 00:49:30,027
And I allow myself to unwind.
1431
00:49:30,337 --> 00:49:30,727
Yes.
1432
00:49:30,737 --> 00:49:31,227
Right?
1433
00:49:31,517 --> 00:49:31,677
Yes.
1434
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:35,137
The ritual you're creating with Delson
is if we finish dinner at, with 20
1435
00:49:35,137 --> 00:49:37,207
minutes, we sit down and we play.
1436
00:49:37,297 --> 00:49:38,097
Right.
1437
00:49:38,517 --> 00:49:38,992
I love that.
1438
00:49:38,992 --> 00:49:39,057
Ritual.
1439
00:49:39,057 --> 00:49:40,377
I go in my garden.
1440
00:49:40,387 --> 00:49:44,517
Like, all of that is- Mm-hmm … and to
raise, I think, some of the things to the
1441
00:49:44,527 --> 00:49:48,197
height of ritual- Mm-hmm … also makes
us feel like we're using our time well.
1442
00:49:48,207 --> 00:49:48,237
Yes.
1443
00:49:48,377 --> 00:49:51,347
'Cause when we like coloring a
coloring book, that's for children
1444
00:49:53,411 --> 00:49:53,861
Okay.
1445
00:49:54,051 --> 00:49:56,351
But what it is is taking time out-
1446
00:49:56,411 --> 00:49:56,691
Yep
1447
00:49:56,721 --> 00:50:00,231
creating structure, giving ourselves-
Yeah … scheduled freedom.
1448
00:50:00,371 --> 00:50:00,761
Mm-hmm.
1449
00:50:00,821 --> 00:50:02,311
And that, then it becomes a ritual.
1450
00:50:02,311 --> 00:50:03,201
I take my book out.
1451
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:03,271
That's right.
1452
00:50:03,411 --> 00:50:04,711
I sharpen my crayon.
1453
00:50:05,151 --> 00:50:05,271
Mm-hmm.
1454
00:50:05,271 --> 00:50:05,311
I put it up.
1455
00:50:05,741 --> 00:50:06,791
However you do it, right?
1456
00:50:06,791 --> 00:50:07,041
Yes.
1457
00:50:07,191 --> 00:50:10,801
But I've ritualized it be- and
I've elevated it to, I don't
1458
00:50:10,801 --> 00:50:12,551
know, something that feels sacred.
1459
00:50:12,901 --> 00:50:13,281
Yes.
1460
00:50:13,381 --> 00:50:14,671
And not something that feels…
1461
00:50:14,721 --> 00:50:18,051
I think for some people, creativity
can feel like it's wasteful.
1462
00:50:19,161 --> 00:50:20,011
Yes.
1463
00:50:20,011 --> 00:50:23,181
Well, that's inside of the you
know, we could, we- there's a whole
1464
00:50:23,181 --> 00:50:24,271
'nother conversation around that.
1465
00:50:24,281 --> 00:50:24,301
Yeah.
1466
00:50:24,361 --> 00:50:26,851
That's inside of a whole
conversation for oppression.
1467
00:50:27,221 --> 00:50:27,331
Yeah.
1468
00:50:27,471 --> 00:50:28,671
Oppress- yes, we
1469
00:50:28,671 --> 00:50:29,491
don't got time to play.
1470
00:50:29,491 --> 00:50:30,341
Who got time to play?
1471
00:50:30,651 --> 00:50:31,631
Who, I'm playing with you.
1472
00:50:31,631 --> 00:50:32,103
Yeah, yeah.
1473
00:50:32,103 --> 00:50:32,763
Don't play with me.
1474
00:50:32,763 --> 00:50:35,023
In the world of consumption, right?
1475
00:50:36,475 --> 00:50:36,895
Yeah.
1476
00:50:36,895 --> 00:50:39,455
That's just like- Mm-hmm … am
I gonna get paid for it?
1477
00:50:40,745 --> 00:50:42,065
Maybe not in dollars,
1478
00:50:42,305 --> 00:50:45,465
h- mental wellbeing and
spiritual connection and
1479
00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:46,535
investment.
1480
00:50:46,725 --> 00:50:48,215
In physical health as well.
1481
00:50:48,215 --> 00:50:49,245
I mean, the science is there.
1482
00:50:49,245 --> 00:50:49,397
Absolutely.
1483
00:50:49,397 --> 00:50:53,175
I'm not gonna go down that rabbit
hole, but the science is there, right?
1484
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:56,275
And for those who need it to
be, like, something proven and
1485
00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:58,755
there's data, like, okay, don't
believe me, look at the science.
1486
00:50:58,825 --> 00:50:59,295
That's right.
1487
00:50:59,305 --> 00:51:00,865
Look at the cortisol levels.
1488
00:51:02,245 --> 00:51:04,065
Look at how you slept well that night.
1489
00:51:04,435 --> 00:51:05,115
Mm.
1490
00:51:05,125 --> 00:51:07,925
And then look at what you created
that's on your wall as a reminder
1491
00:51:07,925 --> 00:51:08,895
of all you're capable of.
1492
00:51:09,195 --> 00:51:09,695
That's right.
1493
00:51:09,995 --> 00:51:10,265
Okay.
1494
00:51:10,395 --> 00:51:12,125
If you need science, science is there.
1495
00:51:12,135 --> 00:51:12,165
Mm-hmm.
1496
00:51:12,295 --> 00:51:15,645
But if you also just wanna check in
with how you feel, like you said, how
1497
00:51:15,645 --> 00:51:17,205
does your body feel when you start?
1498
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:18,035
'Cause that's data too.
1499
00:51:18,825 --> 00:51:19,775
That- that's d-
1500
00:51:19,775 --> 00:51:20,655
That's data too.
1501
00:51:20,955 --> 00:51:21,915
That's science too.
1502
00:51:22,695 --> 00:51:27,675
Sis, I'm telling you, I will go home
after the writing class, and every gripe
1503
00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:30,055
or annoyance I might have had earlier-
1504
00:51:30,365 --> 00:51:30,715
Mm-hmm
1505
00:51:30,795 --> 00:51:32,195
…
or might have later-
1506
00:51:32,335 --> 00:51:35,175
…
I soothe it with the fact
that I have taken care of me.
1507
00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:35,835
Yes.
1508
00:51:36,235 --> 00:51:39,505
And I'm like, "Okay." And it's not
that I don't notice those things.
1509
00:51:39,515 --> 00:51:39,985
Mm-hmm.
1510
00:51:39,985 --> 00:51:41,145
It's not that they stop being annoying.
1511
00:51:41,155 --> 00:51:41,545
Mm-hmm.
1512
00:51:41,545 --> 00:51:46,815
It's that they stop taking over all
my processes and the way I consider
1513
00:51:46,815 --> 00:51:50,405
whether I'm loved, tended to,
nurtured, soothed- Yeah … all those
1514
00:51:50,405 --> 00:51:52,155
th- I've already done it for me.
1515
00:51:52,255 --> 00:51:52,325
That's right.
1516
00:51:52,845 --> 00:51:55,535
And so now it's like, we good.
1517
00:51:55,835 --> 00:51:56,255
Yep.
1518
00:51:57,025 --> 00:51:59,098
, So emotional resilience, yes.
1519
00:51:59,138 --> 00:52:01,278
Add love, joy, and fun to that too.
1520
00:52:01,358 --> 00:52:01,788
Yes.
1521
00:52:01,848 --> 00:52:02,398
That's right.
1522
00:52:02,448 --> 00:52:06,518
'Cause that, they're, like, intertwined,
and they feed into one another.
1523
00:52:06,778 --> 00:52:07,368
Mm-hmm.
1524
00:52:08,768 --> 00:52:08,788
So.
1525
00:52:08,788 --> 00:52:09,038
Yeah.
1526
00:52:09,038 --> 00:52:09,378
Symbiotic.
1527
00:52:09,438 --> 00:52:10,118
Symbiotic.
1528
00:52:10,188 --> 00:52:10,798
This one.
1529
00:52:10,918 --> 00:52:11,308
Yes.
1530
00:52:11,318 --> 00:52:11,918
Symbiotic.
1531
00:52:13,568 --> 00:52:14,268
Oh my gosh.
1532
00:52:14,268 --> 00:52:14,798
Love it.
1533
00:52:14,798 --> 00:52:16,210
This has been such a juicy-
Ah … delicious, fun- Fun
1534
00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:16,634
creative- All the
1535
00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:17,468
way … resilient building- Restorative.
1536
00:52:19,008 --> 00:52:19,288
…
conversation.
1537
00:52:19,298 --> 00:52:19,308
Ay.
1538
00:52:19,878 --> 00:52:20,198
Yes.
1539
00:52:20,748 --> 00:52:28,158
All of it.
1540
00:52:28,158 --> 00:52:30,188
I mean, we've done gestures and words.
1541
00:52:30,188 --> 00:52:32,908
We've talked about painting,
but all of it creative.
1542
00:52:33,488 --> 00:52:33,868
Yes.
1543
00:52:34,158 --> 00:52:35,498
We have demonstrated it.
1544
00:52:35,498 --> 00:52:35,618
All of it.
1545
00:52:35,618 --> 00:52:36,398
We have not only
1546
00:52:36,398 --> 00:52:37,888
spoken these- This was
somebody's idea … words.
1547
00:52:38,228 --> 00:52:39,348
We've demonstrated it.
1548
00:52:39,358 --> 00:52:42,118
This was somebody's wild idea right here.
1549
00:52:42,298 --> 00:52:42,328
Yes.
1550
00:52:42,328 --> 00:52:42,338
Yeah.
1551
00:52:42,338 --> 00:52:46,838
A podcast using StreamYard
was somebody's wild idea.
1552
00:52:46,838 --> 00:52:46,898
That's
1553
00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:47,458
That's right.
1554
00:52:47,838 --> 00:52:48,858
Someone like, I don't know.
1555
00:52:48,858 --> 00:52:51,438
What do y'all think of this
idea of, like, using an app to-
1556
00:52:51,758 --> 00:52:52,018
Yep
1557
00:52:52,118 --> 00:52:52,928
…
to, like, s-
1558
00:52:53,838 --> 00:52:54,298
…
And here we are.
1559
00:52:54,298 --> 00:52:54,778
To talk about
1560
00:52:54,778 --> 00:52:55,218
stuff.
1561
00:52:58,154 --> 00:52:59,944
That other people can relate to.
1562
00:53:00,194 --> 00:53:00,404
Yes.
1563
00:53:00,884 --> 00:53:01,544
I say it counts.
1564
00:53:01,694 --> 00:53:01,724
Yes.
1565
00:53:02,044 --> 00:53:02,204
I'm like,
1566
00:53:02,684 --> 00:53:03,074
"
Okay." Absolutely.
1567
00:53:03,074 --> 00:53:03,544
Yeah.
1568
00:53:03,874 --> 00:53:04,074
Yes.
1569
00:53:04,074 --> 00:53:04,374
Beautiful.
1570
00:53:04,374 --> 00:53:06,764
Good j- good job, p- podcast
creator, whoever you are.
1571
00:53:08,344 --> 00:53:08,974
Thank you.
1572
00:53:09,004 --> 00:53:09,414
Big love.
1573
00:53:09,754 --> 00:53:10,034
Big love.
1574
00:53:10,034 --> 00:53:10,714
We see you.
1575
00:53:10,754 --> 00:53:13,764
you know, I think that we have
so many more conversations to
1576
00:53:13,764 --> 00:53:16,894
have, and I can't wait to have
them, both online and offline.
1577
00:53:17,314 --> 00:53:17,534
Awesome.
1578
00:53:17,694 --> 00:53:25,264
And in the meantime, I would love
for our audience to know how they can
1579
00:53:25,304 --> 00:53:30,514
continue to hear you, follow you, listen
to you- Yes … interact with you if
1580
00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:33,374
that is something that they want to do.
1581
00:53:33,894 --> 00:53:34,874
Awesome.
1582
00:53:35,024 --> 00:53:38,904
This is funnily enough, , and I
have, I think, a couple seasons
1583
00:53:38,904 --> 00:53:42,494
of a podcast called Truth Be Told,
and it's wherever podcasts are.
1584
00:53:42,734 --> 00:53:42,934
Yes.
1585
00:53:43,114 --> 00:53:47,334
And it's where myself and
my co-host, Andrea Blackman,
1586
00:53:47,374 --> 00:53:48,774
ask these kinds of questions.
1587
00:53:48,854 --> 00:53:50,804
It's like, who are we creatively?
1588
00:53:51,474 --> 00:53:53,124
Who are we to be creative?
1589
00:53:53,504 --> 00:53:53,804
Yes.
1590
00:53:53,824 --> 00:53:55,914
What do we do in pursuit of freedom?
1591
00:53:56,114 --> 00:53:56,714
Yes.
1592
00:53:57,644 --> 00:54:01,484
What is true about that, and how many
truths do we get to encounter and claim?
1593
00:54:01,494 --> 00:54:01,804
Mm-hmm.
1594
00:54:01,804 --> 00:54:02,394
And dismiss.
1595
00:54:02,914 --> 00:54:02,934
Mm-hmm.
1596
00:54:02,934 --> 00:54:05,024
And so that's a easy
way to find me, I think.
1597
00:54:05,084 --> 00:54:07,854
And also, you know, I have
a friend who says Google me,
1598
00:54:07,894 --> 00:54:08,664
which always makes me laugh.
1599
00:54:08,894 --> 00:54:08,924
Right.
1600
00:54:08,924 --> 00:54:12,874
But there might be some things I've
written online if you wanna find them.
1601
00:54:12,884 --> 00:54:13,114
Mm-hmm.
1602
00:54:13,124 --> 00:54:16,564
But yeah, I'd love, I love these
continuing conversations just about-
1603
00:54:16,574 --> 00:54:20,184
Mm … what we can admit that is true
for who we are and perhaps how we were
1604
00:54:20,184 --> 00:54:23,804
born, but also the things we can reach
out and pull towards to us and say- Mm
1605
00:54:23,814 --> 00:54:25,354
there might be a gift in here-
1606
00:54:25,564 --> 00:54:25,804
Yeah
1607
00:54:25,854 --> 00:54:28,414
…
that I just have not activated or fed-
1608
00:54:28,534 --> 00:54:28,544
Yeah
1609
00:54:28,544 --> 00:54:30,404
…
that then gets to be out in the world.
1610
00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:31,954
And at any age.
1611
00:54:31,974 --> 00:54:32,004
Yes.
1612
00:54:32,014 --> 00:54:35,474
You don't have to be four talk- No one
has to be, like, 11 saying, "What do
1613
00:54:35,474 --> 00:54:36,454
you wanna be when you grow up?" Yeah.
1614
00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:38,424
We're still growing up.
1615
00:54:38,854 --> 00:54:39,934
Yes, absolutely.
1616
00:54:39,974 --> 00:54:41,934
And so I'm excited.
1617
00:54:41,934 --> 00:54:45,134
Like, I'm thinking, like, being a some
people call themselves hobbyists, right?
1618
00:54:45,144 --> 00:54:46,354
Mm. I'm just gonna try something new.
1619
00:54:46,544 --> 00:54:47,644
I'm a do bird watching.
1620
00:54:47,644 --> 00:54:47,664
Yeah.
1621
00:54:47,924 --> 00:54:50,804
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take
up, , African dance or hula.
1622
00:54:50,844 --> 00:54:51,764
Whatever it is.
1623
00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:55,284
We're growing in that way, and it
makes me a better version of myself.
1624
00:54:55,454 --> 00:54:56,014
Mm.
1625
00:54:56,024 --> 00:54:57,204
I'm more peaceful.
1626
00:54:57,214 --> 00:54:58,324
I'm more loving.
1627
00:54:58,334 --> 00:54:58,354
Mm-hmm.
1628
00:54:58,904 --> 00:55:01,094
I have taken good care of Tasneem.
1629
00:55:01,464 --> 00:55:02,414
And that's what matters.
1630
00:55:02,714 --> 00:55:02,744
Yes.
1631
00:55:02,774 --> 00:55:04,034
So y'all heard her.
1632
00:55:04,114 --> 00:55:04,984
Google her.
1633
00:55:05,604 --> 00:55:08,684
Or go listen to Truth Behold.
1634
00:55:08,864 --> 00:55:08,884
Yeah.
1635
00:55:08,894 --> 00:55:09,124
Yes.
1636
00:55:09,154 --> 00:55:15,184
And I invite you, if you're in the
South- to check out Mosaic Change Makers.
1637
00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:16,424
Absolutely.
1638
00:55:16,434 --> 00:55:17,174
Check out-
1639
00:55:17,224 --> 00:55:18,264
If you're interested in weaving- Yes
1640
00:55:18,264 --> 00:55:20,404
a better South, which
sounds creative, doesn't it?
1641
00:55:21,244 --> 00:55:21,413
It does.
1642
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:21,544
I think you did a creative work.
1643
00:55:21,544 --> 00:55:22,334
It is very creative.
1644
00:55:22,334 --> 00:55:24,334
Like, it is a very creative process.
1645
00:55:24,444 --> 00:55:30,004
Very creative, life-giving, heart warming
and wrenching at times- and so, you
1646
00:55:30,004 --> 00:55:34,024
know, if you're in the South, if you know
someone in the South who's in this dance
1647
00:55:34,024 --> 00:55:39,314
of justice, who's trying to weave- that
South to be a better South for creating
1648
00:55:39,314 --> 00:55:43,894
a better nation and a better world- Amen
… then check out Mosaic Change Makers.
1649
00:55:44,124 --> 00:55:47,214
And so , I have a question and,
I'm not actually sure if we've had
1650
00:55:47,214 --> 00:55:51,414
this conversation personally, but
do you facilitate, Like, can people
1651
00:55:51,414 --> 00:55:54,334
invite you if they're like, "Ah,
she need to come facilitate some
1652
00:55:54,344 --> 00:55:55,634
art stuff, some artistry stuff"?
1653
00:55:56,584 --> 00:55:56,734
Absolutely.
1654
00:55:57,394 --> 00:55:57,967
Do you, yeah- Thank you, Maiysha.
1655
00:55:57,967 --> 00:55:58,077
I do.
1656
00:55:58,077 --> 00:55:58,377
I do.
1657
00:55:58,377 --> 00:55:59,737
I, I find great joy in it.
1658
00:55:59,817 --> 00:56:02,547
And the topics are of all kinds, right?
1659
00:56:02,547 --> 00:56:04,127
Conflict resolution sometimes.
1660
00:56:04,137 --> 00:56:04,167
Yes.
1661
00:56:04,397 --> 00:56:08,567
But a lot of times it's about how do we
build community with ourselves and others?
1662
00:56:08,567 --> 00:56:08,977
Yes.
1663
00:56:08,977 --> 00:56:09,007
Yes.
1664
00:56:09,027 --> 00:56:12,547
How do we love a whole human while
also loving ourselves wholly?
1665
00:56:12,557 --> 00:56:13,247
I love that.
1666
00:56:13,247 --> 00:56:14,127
Love that conversation.
1667
00:56:14,127 --> 00:56:14,427
I love it.
1668
00:56:14,437 --> 00:56:16,447
Anybody need facilitation
on that, let's build it.
1669
00:56:16,897 --> 00:56:17,237
Yes.
1670
00:56:17,267 --> 00:56:18,257
And how would they do that?
1671
00:56:18,267 --> 00:56:20,217
How would they find you-
Mm … to be able to inquire?
1672
00:56:20,517 --> 00:56:21,047
Good point.
1673
00:56:21,067 --> 00:56:23,577
I, you know, I'm gonna lead them
to my Mosaic email, 'cause I think
1674
00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:24,457
it's the easiest to remember.
1675
00:56:24,507 --> 00:56:28,167
tasneem@mosaicchangemakers.org.
1676
00:56:28,397 --> 00:56:28,767
Awesome.
1677
00:56:28,777 --> 00:56:31,737
We'll make sure we put
that in the show notes.
1678
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:32,807
Thank you, dear.
1679
00:56:33,117 --> 00:56:33,637
Yes.
1680
00:56:33,857 --> 00:56:36,167
Thank you so much- Thank you,
Maiysha … Tasneem for this conversation.
1681
00:56:36,357 --> 00:56:38,507
It has just been a joy.
1682
00:56:38,547 --> 00:56:38,737
It
1683
00:56:38,747 --> 00:56:39,367
has-
1684
00:56:39,457 --> 00:56:40,087
I mean- … from start
1685
00:56:40,197 --> 00:56:41,017
to finish
1686
00:56:41,017 --> 00:56:41,767
…
from start to finish.
1687
00:56:41,767 --> 00:56:41,797
Yes.
1688
00:56:41,797 --> 00:56:45,447
And every single time we are
together, it is this way.
1689
00:56:45,457 --> 00:56:45,487
Yes.
1690
00:56:45,687 --> 00:56:47,207
It is the truth.
1691
00:56:47,207 --> 00:56:49,977
And so I- It's the truth … am
grateful that the audience got to bear
1692
00:56:49,977 --> 00:56:54,297
witness to that- Mm-hmm … as well as
take the jewels that they're taking.
1693
00:56:54,537 --> 00:56:55,277
Thank you, sis.
1694
00:56:55,277 --> 00:56:56,367
I appreciate you asking.
1695
00:56:56,367 --> 00:56:57,557
Thank you for having me on.
1696
00:56:57,567 --> 00:57:00,237
And I love all the work you're
doing to get our mind right.
1697
00:57:00,893 --> 00:57:01,433
Thank you.
1698
00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:02,073
Thank you.
1699
00:57:02,073 --> 00:57:02,198
You're welcome.
1700
00:57:02,198 --> 00:57:02,803
It is a joy.
1701
00:57:03,243 --> 00:57:04,503
So y'all, heard her.
1702
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:08,303
Y'all go and, and check out
Truth Be Told, the podcast.
1703
00:57:08,303 --> 00:57:08,723
Yeah.
1704
00:57:08,723 --> 00:57:13,353
And if you want to invite
Tasneem for a facilitation,
1705
00:57:13,353 --> 00:57:15,353
tasneem@mosaicchangemakers.org.
1706
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:16,293
That's right.
1707
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:19,593
And, you know, we invite
you to share this podcast.
1708
00:57:19,633 --> 00:57:21,063
You know I say it- Yes … every episode.
1709
00:57:21,113 --> 00:57:23,893
Share the podcast- Yes, yes,
yes … because people- I will … yeah,
1710
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:26,473
these, these are conversations
that people need to be hearing.
1711
00:57:26,853 --> 00:57:29,423
And also, leave a comment or a review.
1712
00:57:29,423 --> 00:57:31,763
If you're on YouTube
listening, leave a comment.
1713
00:57:31,763 --> 00:57:36,553
If you're in one of the, commercial
podcast apps, leave a review
1714
00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,743
because people need to know the
value that's happening in this
1715
00:57:39,783 --> 00:57:41,973
podcast as they come behind you.
1716
00:57:41,973 --> 00:57:42,613
That's right.
1717
00:57:42,613 --> 00:57:45,093
So with that, thank you for being here.
1718
00:57:45,543 --> 00:57:45,603
Thank you.
1719
00:57:45,623 --> 00:57:49,903
And thank you to the audience, because
without the audience, guess what, y'all?
1720
00:57:49,903 --> 00:57:51,613
There's no podcast.
1721
00:57:51,613 --> 00:57:51,633
That's right.
1722
00:57:51,633 --> 00:57:51,933
So- Thank you,
1723
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:53,163
listeners
1724
00:57:53,223 --> 00:57:54,063
Yes, indeed.
1725
00:57:54,073 --> 00:57:57,703
And until the next time we
see you, stay empowered.
1726
00:57:58,197 --> 00:58:01,007
Thank you for joining
me today on our podcast.
1727
00:58:01,527 --> 00:58:05,047
I hope today's episode gave you
fresh insights and practical tools to
1728
00:58:05,047 --> 00:58:08,817
elevate your communication and build
trust and connection in all areas of
1729
00:58:08,817 --> 00:58:12,887
your life, from leading your team to
strengthening your relationships at home.
1730
00:58:13,337 --> 00:58:16,927
If today's conversation resonated
with you, please take a moment
1731
00:58:16,947 --> 00:58:20,637
to subscribe to the podcast so
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1732
00:58:21,247 --> 00:58:25,967
I also invite you to share this
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1733
00:58:26,287 --> 00:58:30,217
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1734
00:58:30,657 --> 00:58:34,297
And we would most appreciate if
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1735
00:58:34,787 --> 00:58:38,187
Your support helps us reach more
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1736
00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:39,507
communication and leadership.
1737
00:58:40,227 --> 00:58:44,167
And if you love what you are hearing
and are thinking, "Hey, I need
1738
00:58:44,167 --> 00:58:48,597
this," or, "We need this in our
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1739
00:58:48,597 --> 00:58:49,987
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1740
00:58:50,907 --> 00:58:53,907
You can invite me to provide
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1741
00:58:53,977 --> 00:58:55,227
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1742
00:58:55,707 --> 00:59:00,257
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brain-aligned approaches to building
1743
00:59:00,267 --> 00:59:04,607
trust, accountability, and psychological
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1744
00:59:05,307 --> 00:59:06,837
You could partner with me as a coach.
1745
00:59:07,127 --> 00:59:12,097
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1746
00:59:12,407 --> 00:59:13,977
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1747
00:59:14,737 --> 00:59:19,617
If you are an individual and you feel
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1748
00:59:19,617 --> 00:59:23,477
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1749
00:59:23,887 --> 00:59:26,187
mind remapping transformation coaching.
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And finally, you could take
our communication course.
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Communication That Transforms is a
transformational course that helps
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you build and strengthen trust
and safety in your relationship.
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It's great for individuals,
transformational for communities,
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teams, and organizations, and
it is CME accredited for our
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physicians and clinicians out there.
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Feel free to reach out to me
directly for any of these pathways to
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partnership by visiting my website,
www.mindremappingacademy.com,
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or by contacting me directly
on LinkedIn, /DrMaiysha.
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Remember, change happens one
conscious conversation at a time.
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Keep listening with intention
and communicating with clarity.
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And until the next episode, stay empowered