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In this episode of Before We Get There, host Nicholas Braman interviews Lav Chloe, a Malaysian content creator known for her accents and impressions.
She went viral in December last year from a one-take video she made for her friends and meant to delete. It passed a million views, then kept climbing, and it became her whole career.
They talk about the line she walks doing accents without mocking anyone, and why she so often ends up defending people in her own comments. She makes the case that Malaysian humor comes from something heavier, generations of hardship turned into a way of laughing at pain. They also get into being wired differently and diagnosed with ADHD as an adult, why she resists being called an influencer, and where she wants to take all of this next.
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00:00 Podcast and Lav intro
04:20 Respectful Impressions
06:25 Handling Haters
10:07 Privacy And Boundaries
16:10 ADHD Diagnosis Journey
21:58 Culture And Awareness
26:08 Neurodivergence As Magic
28:11 Malaysian Humor Roots
36:49 Authenticity Over Performance
43:15 Five Year Definition Of Success
44:21 Where To Find Lav
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I'm able to do all these impressions
because we have this thing where it's very
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easy for people with ADHD to mimic others.
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Mm-hmm.
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To code switch.
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It's very easy for me to copy accents.
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I think it explains a lot of who
I am, and thank God for that.
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Otherwise, I would always think
to myself, "What's wrong with me?"
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Mm. And that's what I've always
thought to myself my entire life.
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I was like, I'm just gonna record
one of the videos of me doing what
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I usually do in private, post it
on the internet for my friends to
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see, but I'm gonna delete it later.
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But no, it just went viral.
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Welcome to Before We Get There,
the podcast where we talk about
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the moments that shape us, the ones
we plan for and the ones we don't.
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I'm your host, Nicholas Braman,
and today I'm joined by Lav Chloe.
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Lav is a Malaysian content creator
known for her accents and impressions.
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She went viral last year almost by
accident from a video she made for her
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friends and planned to delete, but it
blew up into millions of views, and she
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continued to build a following from there.
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We talked about the line she walks
doing accents without mocking anyone,
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how she found out she has ADHD only
when she was 30 years old, and why
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the same wiring that makes her good
at impressions is tied to years of
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wondering what was wrong with her.
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We also went deeper into the person behind
the videos, why she resists being called
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an influencer, how she keeps parts of
her life private, dealing with haters,
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her hopes for the future, and much more.
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Enjoy the show.
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Hi, Lav, thanks so much
for joining me today.
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Hi, thank you.
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Pleasure to be here.
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I'm really excited to talk to you,
and I thought we'd start off with
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the most obvious question is how did
you discover you're so good at doing
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all these accents and impressions?
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Um, okay, so it was an accident kind
of with how I started posting, but
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I've always been doing this in private
with my partners or with my friends.
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They all know that I'm, like, slightly
kooky and and wild, um, but I was never
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confident enough to show it to the public.
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So in December of last year, I sort
of got really overwhelmed by social
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media and everything, and I was like,
"I wanna be a content creator," but
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I wasn't getting to where I wanted to
be for how long I've been doing it.
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So I was like, "I'm just gonna record one
of the videos of me doing what I usually
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do in private, post it on the internet for
my friends to see, but I'm gonna delete
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it later." But no, it just went viral.
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And I hit a million views, and I was
like, "Oh my God, a million," and
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then two, and then three, and then 10.
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I was like, "I'm gonna
do this from now on."
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And it w- so that first time- Yeah … you
just, like, one take and then post-
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Yeah
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… that's it.
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Literally one take.
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So if you see my first ever video, which
was the Puja, what is this behavior
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one, it's literally unpolished, right?
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It's just me kind of, like,
slowly putting the camera down.
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I'm not even trying to act or
anything like that because I
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wanted my friends to see it.
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I was no one, right?
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I was just, like, creating micro-content,
like UGC stuff, so this was completely
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out of box for me to post online.
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But yeah, just took off.
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Wow.
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And so then how did you… I mean,
clear, like, oh, this worked.
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Maybe I should do some more of it.
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Yeah.
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How did you start thinking about what
kind of clips to use or what, what to do?
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Right.
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So as I said, like, I've always
been doing this in private, so I
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have, like, a meme bank mentally.
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So all I did was when I found out
that this was maybe something I
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should just, you know, continue doing,
um, I immediately went to YouTube,
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I searched up all the memes that I
love, saved all the clips, and I was
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like, "Okay, I'm gonna post this,
this, this, this, this every day."
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And just every single day for,
like, a, a month, I posted.
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Yeah, so that's how that's how it started.
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Yeah.
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So one thing that I, I really liked,
um, although, you know, if somehow
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you haven't seen, uh, her content-
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Yeah
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… um, you do the different
accents and impressions, but it
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comes off as very respectful.
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It's not like you're making
fun of the accent or- Thank you
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or, you know, um, like it, it
could be if it was done poorly.
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Yeah.
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So do you think about that, and how do you
manage to strike that balance of, like,
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being funny, but also being respectful?
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Oh, thank you for
acknowledging that, by the way.
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Because I feel like this is such
a blurred line on the internet,
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especially now, um, you have to be
really careful with what you say and
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how you act online, um, in person, too.
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But um, for me, the clear thing
is I always wanna pay homage
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to the content that I make.
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I never want to mock people.
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There's a fine line.
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I think people confuse when they do see
my content sometimes, like the haters
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or whatnot, they think I'm mocking
people's accents, including my own-
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Mm-hmm
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… Chinese Malaysian.
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But you have to stick to what
that person actually sounds like.
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So I never exaggerate.
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In fact, if anything, I underdo it so
that I don't come off as mocking a person,
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especially if it's an accent that usually
endures scrutiny from other races as well.
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So that's how I pay respect
to, to these accents, for sure.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so have you ever recorded one
and then thought, "Oh, maybe this is
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gonna… People are gonna get the wrong
impression," and, and not come through
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with it or redid it or something?
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Actually, no.
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Um, I think every time I film my
content, it w- it has already been in
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my mind to be as respectful as possible.
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But also, I think- I'm not gonna toot my
own horn, but I think I'm pretty good at
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certain accents, so I'm very confident
that I'm already not gonna mock them.
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Mm.
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Um, but the re-records come from
messing up the lines, for example,
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or not doing the accent well enough.
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Mm.
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But yeah, I think I've been, um, pretty
mindful of how it comes across, for sure.
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Yeah, you can definitely see that.
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Thank you.
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And you mentioned haters, which-
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Yeah
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… of course anybody who puts themselves
out there does get some haters, but- For
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sure
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… I think, you know, like you mentioned,
maybe with this type of content,
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you're, um, uh, more of a target than-
Mm-hmm … than some other things.
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So how do you deal with that
and, and what kind of comments do
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you get and that sort of thing?
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Oh, when I first started, I
got comments about my looks.
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I got comments about my race,
um, my skin color, everything.
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My teeth, at the time, I had, like,
fluorosis, right, and crooked teeth.
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Now I got veneers.
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Sponsored, by the way, so
thank you to the haters.
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Um, but It was never, I never
really took it personally.
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First of all, if you attack my looks,
it's, it's, that's because that's the
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extent that you can attack me for.
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You don't know anything about
me, so I'm not offended.
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To each their own.
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If you, if you call my content
cringe, I don't care either
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because I totally agree with you.
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It is cringe.
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Like, that is the whole point.
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Um, so I got a lot of comments like
such, um, "Cringe," or, "This is
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embarrassing," or, "You're mocking people.
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How dare you insult my culture?" And
the best advice I've ever received
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from a fellow creator or my friends
is silence is the best response.
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Like, just don't feed into the trolls.
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At the end of the day, what can they do?
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Just they're gonna block you or you block
them and just move on with your life.
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So I never feed into the trolls, unless
they are saying something really negative
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about the thing that I'm posting.
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So when I post accents or impressions
of people of color, especially darker
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skin, they tend to get a lot of racists
coming in, attacking them in the
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comments, and I like to stand up for
them because I have to remind these
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racists, "I'm not being racist here.
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I'm doing an impression.
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I'm not mocking them, and it's not an
excuse for you to come into my space
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and mock these people who have done
nothing wrong." Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's really tough because that's
not your intention, but it… I guess
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if people are like that- Yes … they
kind of feel that this is, "Oh, maybe
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she feels the same as I do, and this
is a place that I can go and express
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these nasty, uh, opinions that I
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have."
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Exactly.
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Like, I have to come, I had come to
realization that intention versus
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perception are two different things,
so everything I do and put out there, I
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need to make sure that my intention is
as clear as possible so that it's not
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perceived in the wrong manner But at the
end of the day, you can't please everyone.
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So I just take it as it is,
and honestly, I don't even read
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the comments half the time.
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Mm.
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Um, and I think that's the best
for my mental health as well.
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Yeah, I bet.
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Yeah.
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And I think also probably being
Malaysian- Mm-hmm … which is,
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you know, so ethnically diverse, it
does make it a lot different than,
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you know, if you were maybe from a
country that's more homogenous- Mm-hmm
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or that's, you know, you're not, you're
not growing up, uh, speaking Malay,
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speaking Chinese, speaking English.
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Yeah.
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It, uh, come out a lot
differently if it was some- from-
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someone from somewhere else.
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For sure.
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But I think the funniest part is
the, the most, the most racist or
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bigoted people are the ones who
are from multiracial countries.
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That's the irony, right?
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Like, um, I think the ones who are
from more homogenous places have
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actually been really respectful.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, it's a fine line for sure.
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So one thing you just mentioned
about people, you know, only being
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able to attack what they can see.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, I did see you posted, like,
recently that you got engaged.
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What?
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So first of all, congratulations on that.
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Thank you.
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Thank
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you.
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Um, but it does seem like you
are… You know, you post your
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content and a lot of your personal
life is- Yeah … not public.
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So how do you think about that?
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Is that very deliberate, and, and
what is your strategy or what is
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your thinking behind why to keep
some things private and others not?
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So that's very interesting because
in the past, my public, my, my
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profile has always been public.
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Um, I created content for a
couple of years now, since 2020.
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I started with a food page completely
separate to my current page, because
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this was always meant to be my personal
page, even though it was public.
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And- Initially, I would always post
my day-to-day life on my page because,
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again, it's just friends following
me, maybe some, you know, followers
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from random places, but I never
really thought much about it and I
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would just frequently share my life.
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I would talk to the camera a lot to s-
to, like, show people what I'm doing
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or who I'm with and things like that.
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And in real life, I'm
ironically a really open book.
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Mm. Like, super open.
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I probably overshare as well
with people that I just meet.
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Um, but ever since getting bigger and
blowing up, I realized that not every one
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of my friends want to be in the spotlight.
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Mm.
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Um, in fact, when I started off at,
like, 2,000 followers, I already had some
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friends not want to be on my stories.
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So I had to be really mindful of
who I tag or what I post now because
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there have been some crazies out
there who will reach out to my
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friends and insult them really badly.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah, so that happened to one of them,
and after that I was like, "Yeah, I'm not
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gonna, I'm not gonna tag people," or…
unless they are creators themselves.
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Mm. Um, but in terms of my day-to-day
life, uh, it's actually really
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mundane, so it's not that I don't
intentionally, like, avoid posting that.
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It's that I don't really want to
share that today I'm gonna go for
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a Pilates class- Mm-hmm … um,
since I work from home anyway.
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And you never know with the internet,
like, it's so easy to find your location.
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It's so easy to, like, know where you
are just based off where you go for
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classes or what you post from your
window, so I al- always, always have to
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be mindful of that, especially since my
partner prefers a private life as well.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this story of posting,
uh, a, a video that you took
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basically for fun off the cuff- Yeah
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and then having it blow up and go viral,
that's a lot of people, maybe they'd
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love that to happen or it'd be a dream
come true, but there's a lot of things
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that come along with it that, um,
maybe are not as fun as you'd think.
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Yeah.
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And then I think another part
of it is a lot of the creators I
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talk to, if they do very well in
one niche or one style of video,
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eventually they start to feel stuck.
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Yeah.
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And they want to break out, or they
wanna show more sides of themselves.
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Mm-hmm.
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Have you felt that at all yet?
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And how do you think that you're gonna
deal with it if you do start to feel it?
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Oh, yeah, 100%.
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Like, I think when I was in my fourth
month of posting this content, I
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started to feel like I was sort of-
Doing the same thing again and again.
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I was like, um, chasing that
approval from people, I would say.
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Even though this is who I am.
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Like, to answer your previous question
as well, this is who I am in real life.
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So it feels like I'm sharing a
very intimate part of me online
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because the walls have come
down, the cringe has come down.
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Like, this is just who I really am,
and people accept it and love it- Right
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because I'm authentically myself.
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But in doing so, when the numbers
are so high, and it went crazy high
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for the first few months, I just
felt that need to keep up with that.
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Mm. Like, I would disappoint people
if I don't post content that was Like,
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even mildly, like, non-viral worthy.
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And I felt more and more that
maybe people didn't really
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want to see other sides of me.
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Maybe they just wanted funny content,
'cause I would try here and there
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to post, like, maybe something more
aesthetic, um, which isn't really me as
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well, but sometimes I do like to, you
know, not look like a doofus, right?
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Um, but then I realized that those
content wouldn't do well, and what
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I failed to take into consideration
was that this is my page.
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Mm-hmm.
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I should be posting stuff that I
like, and as long as people do enjoy
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my content overall, and as long as I
don't s- completely change my niche
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so fast, I should be able to still
balance the best of both worlds,
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which is kind of where I am right now.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think the more brand deals have come
in and things like that, you know,
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no one wants to be sold to, and I
don't wanna be an influencer either.
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I prefer to be a creator-
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Right
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… ' cause I think the only influence I have
on people is, like, bad, bad influence.
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Um, so with that, I always make
sure that my brand deals are
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authentically myself as well.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, they're funny.
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They're gonna be something that I
would enjoy watching and not feel
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like I'm being sold to heavily.
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Right.
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Um, and now I've started to
insert a bit more of other
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facets of my life, like fitness.
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Um, I'm getting into it more and more each
day, and running, for example, and I also
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realize that there's a market for that.
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People do enjoy that as well.
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Mm-hmm.
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So at the end of the day, I have to
remind myself there are people who
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enjoy both things, and both things can
exist in one page at the same time.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Um, and I think another aspect that you've
started to share more about is about,
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um, mental health and neurodivergence.
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Can you share a bit about that?
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Yeah, so I found out that I had ADHD when
I was 27, so that was five years ago.
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And oh my gosh, five years ago.
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I'm so old now.
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Um, and I sought help from a clinical
psychologist at the time, who
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confirmed that I most likely had ADHD.
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But because I had just started working
and I was in medical school prior to
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this, I started working, and- I was
broke and I was like, you know what?
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I'm gonna just take it upon myself, do
all the research that I can to fully
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equip myself with new systems and
maybe new routines and new habits and
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so on and so forth to manage the ADHD.
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Um, and then I got into a more
serious relationship with my current
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fiance, moved in together, and he is
someone who is extremely neurotypical.
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He can just get up and do something
that he says he's gonna do.
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He doesn't take five business days
to fold the laundry, and I do.
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It's not so much procrastination,
it's executive dysfunction.
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Mm.
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It's the inability to plan, start,
and execute something, a task.
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So that's what I struggle with, and I
realized that I need more medical help.
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So I went to a psychiatrist at the
start of last year when I just turned
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30 and got medicated, got diagnosed, got
medicated, so that's where I am right now.
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And I was so, so mad.
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I was extremely upset at the fact that
I could have been way more functional
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in my life, I could have succeeded
way more if I had the tools and
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knowledge that exists in the world now.
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Right.
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A lot of people don't have the
privilege of even finding out that
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they have such disorders or finding
out that they're neurodivergent.
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You know, a lot of people get boxed into
a category of you're weird or you're
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different, or why are you this way?
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Why are you not normal?
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What's wrong with you?
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And they'll never get to know-
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Mm
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… what, um, the, the, the, the s-
the fact that they're actually
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just different and built different.
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Our brains are biologically different.
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Right.
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So that's why I thought awareness
was really, really important.
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And
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so when you got that diagnosis and
realized that at a fair- you know,
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fairly f- um, late for that kind of
diagnosis- Yeah … was it like a relief?
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Like, "Oh, that's why I'm this
way, and, uh, now I, I don't have
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to, like, be as hard on myself,"
and all that sort of thing?
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Um, yes and no.
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I think on one hand,
I was really relieved.
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I was like, "Oh, wow, finally so many
things in my life make sense." It makes
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sense to me why I have lost friends.
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It makes sense to me why I was
terrible in relationships or made
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really, really poor choices in life.
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I've always been good in school,
or good enough in school.
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I did get straight As for all my
national exams, except for the
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last one, I got a B in physics.
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Ugh, terrible subject.
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I'm kidding.
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Um, but I have always
excelled when needed.
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I went to med school, um, even
though that wasn't my passion.
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And I was always expected to be
the best version of myself 'cause
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I have very high achieving parents.
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Um, so it was never really a question
in my head either whether I had ADHD.
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I was like, "Nah, ADHD is for
hyperactive kids, it's for people
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who can't sit still." Mm. But it
presents very differently in women
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versus men, in boys versus girls.
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In girls it's a lot of daydreaming, a
lot of mental, um… A lo- you're, you're
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constantly active in your head, so it may
not present physically, and that's why a
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lot of girls don't get diagnosed properly,
and a lot of boys get that stereotypical
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outlook of being hyperactive- Mm
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and it's so much easier to tell
that they have ADHD- Right … so
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they get the help that they need.
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But in any case, I, I was really,
really sad for thesel- for myself.
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I was frustrated that I
couldn't have seen this sooner.
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Mm. Like, maybe if I sought help
sooner, this would all make sense.
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Or how did I manage to be so efficient
back in the day when I was younger
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to be able to hand in deadlines on
time, meet deadlines on time, hand in
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projects, be able to still score in an
e- an exam after studying for 48 hours?
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And now as an adult, having a life with
my partner and with my dog, and having
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to do chores and handle everything
myself, I actually face more burnout.
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I'm actually less functional than I
was when I was younger because now
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everything is catching up to me.
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Right.
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It's all coming up to me, and the
whole knowledge of what is happening
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and what has happened in my brain my
whole life makes me really, really
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sad, and it makes me really envious
of the people who are able to function
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or maybe heal from all these parts
that they have gotten to know earlier-
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Mm
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compared to me knowing now.
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And so do you think that frustration or
kind of regret, is it because you were
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high-functioning enough that it, it wasn't
something that got diagnosed earlier?
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, and maybe perhaps it's also
related to the cultural and
00:22:15.792 --> 00:22:21.051
social ways that mental health and
neurodivergence is talked about a lot.
00:22:21.501 --> 00:22:22.172
Oh, yeah.
00:22:22.301 --> 00:22:23.512
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
00:22:23.741 --> 00:22:29.091
Um, I think, you know, Asians, Asian
parents, they don't like to acknowledge
00:22:29.092 --> 00:22:32.831
that mental health disorders are real even
though they probably have some themselves.
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Um, and things like neurodivergence
or ADHD, it can be genetic.
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It is probably genetic.
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Mm.
00:22:43.851 --> 00:22:50.421
And now that I know what I have, it
made me realize why maybe my mom was
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the way she was, 'cause she 100% has
undiagnosed ADHD, amongst other things.
00:22:55.601 --> 00:23:01.601
But it made me realize that,
oh, I probably inherited these
00:23:01.601 --> 00:23:07.111
genes, and why were my parents not
more aware of themselves sooner?
00:23:07.472 --> 00:23:09.482
Why did they inflict this pain onto me?
00:23:09.482 --> 00:23:12.392
Because now I have to deal with
the consequences, and it's not
00:23:12.392 --> 00:23:13.712
covered by insurance, by the way.
00:23:13.991 --> 00:23:14.241
Mm.
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A whole other thing.
00:23:15.591 --> 00:23:20.192
Not covered by insurance even though
I pay a premium a month, but you
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still have to fork out the crazy
amount that you have to because the
00:23:25.731 --> 00:23:27.231
government's not gonna help you either.
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Right.
00:23:27.841 --> 00:23:31.212
And there are other people out there who
are maybe less fortunate who probably
00:23:31.212 --> 00:23:35.441
need better access to it, and it's so hard
for them to get the help that they need
00:23:35.461 --> 00:23:41.511
anyway, so I'm not gonna go and step into
their space where they need help the most.
00:23:41.832 --> 00:23:45.191
But I have to still fork up that
amount and pay for that, so it does
00:23:45.191 --> 00:23:49.808
make me really frustrated, 'cause
I'm like- Maybe if I got the help I
00:23:49.808 --> 00:23:53.088
needed earlier, I wouldn't have to
deal with all this as an adult now.
00:23:53.198 --> 00:23:53.488
Mm.
00:23:53.918 --> 00:23:59.367
You know, and I think figuring out
that this is the issue that I'm
00:23:59.368 --> 00:24:04.947
dealing with right now makes me
realize that thank God I found out now.
00:24:05.457 --> 00:24:09.227
I have the time to heal now while I'm
still in my 30s, and hopefully by the
00:24:09.228 --> 00:24:12.298
time I'm older, things will get better.
00:24:13.238 --> 00:24:16.877
What you just mentioned about, you
know, especially the older generation,
00:24:16.888 --> 00:24:20.948
do you feel like with younger people
these days, is it getting better?
00:24:20.948 --> 00:24:26.328
Is it… Are people more open to
awareness and, and learning about
00:24:26.537 --> 00:24:28.337
how different people can be and-
00:24:28.398 --> 00:24:29.187
Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:24:29.188 --> 00:24:35.328
I think… Okay, so the way I found out
that I possibly had ADHD was from TikTok.
00:24:35.997 --> 00:24:36.377
Mm.
00:24:36.387 --> 00:24:38.607
So here's the thing: never self-diagnose.
00:24:38.677 --> 00:24:40.278
Never ever, ever self-diagnose.
00:24:40.418 --> 00:24:42.478
But you can always learn.
00:24:42.727 --> 00:24:47.467
You can always be more aware of what's
going on in the world, and now we're fully
00:24:47.468 --> 00:24:53.247
equipped with all the possible disorders
and mental health struggles and all that.
00:24:53.257 --> 00:24:56.397
So people tend to, like, take it
upon themselves to self-diagnose,
00:24:56.638 --> 00:25:00.527
but you actually should just take
it with a grain of salt, go to a
00:25:00.528 --> 00:25:02.687
doctor, and get an official diagnosis.
00:25:02.867 --> 00:25:06.157
So I found out through TikTok,
and my whole life, I actually
00:25:06.157 --> 00:25:07.197
thought I was bipolar.
00:25:07.397 --> 00:25:09.027
As I mentioned, I went to medical school.
00:25:09.367 --> 00:25:15.677
I had a whole psychia- psychiatric
rotation, and we touched on ADHD for,
00:25:15.677 --> 00:25:20.698
like, five minutes, but we actually
touched on bipolar, OCD, Tourette's,
00:25:20.698 --> 00:25:23.138
and so on and so forth for way longer.
00:25:23.197 --> 00:25:29.677
So I always thought, "Hmm, maybe bipolar."
It would make sense to me 'cause my
00:25:29.677 --> 00:25:37.154
mood swings, and I- it is frequently
overlapped with ADHD Until I discovered
00:25:37.814 --> 00:25:44.844
the symptoms of ADHD that I have never
been taught in my life, and I thought,
00:25:45.283 --> 00:25:49.074
"Oh my God, that makes so much sense,"
'cause there were cer- certain things that
00:25:49.194 --> 00:25:56.084
wasn't really clicking with the bipolar,
um, disorder, and that's why I think
00:25:56.414 --> 00:26:03.214
nowadays it's a lot easier for kids or
for parents to be aware of, uh, these dis-
00:26:03.293 --> 00:26:06.114
these disorders and a lot more accepting.
00:26:06.334 --> 00:26:07.474
Mm. Yeah, for sure.
00:26:08.444 --> 00:26:13.754
One thing I, I think about is when
you hear about a lot of… I mean,
00:26:13.754 --> 00:26:20.853
there's been quite a few famous artists,
writers, musicians who have some sort
00:26:20.854 --> 00:26:24.854
of neurodivergence- Yeah … and I
think a lot of the time they can be
00:26:24.863 --> 00:26:30.253
worried that if they address that
issue medically or, or otherwise,
00:26:30.253 --> 00:26:32.233
that it's gonna ruin the magic-
00:26:32.584 --> 00:26:32.794
Mm-hmm
00:26:32.794 --> 00:26:36.303
ruin their ability to create
the art that they're so good at
00:26:36.303 --> 00:26:37.793
and what they're recognized for.
00:26:38.363 --> 00:26:45.533
Um, I think that hopefully more people
will be feeling that way less, but is that
00:26:45.534 --> 00:26:50.573
something that ever, like, I think crosses
your mind or that you wonder about?
00:26:50.983 --> 00:26:56.323
So it sounds like you- you're actually
very happy that you're, um, able
00:26:56.363 --> 00:27:00.123
to be more organized, for example,
or that sort of thing after, um,
00:27:00.163 --> 00:27:01.843
getting these issues addressed.
00:27:01.854 --> 00:27:06.263
Yeah, for sure, because I think
in my, um, experience, it's not
00:27:06.263 --> 00:27:08.473
so much of that magic, right?
00:27:08.513 --> 00:27:12.033
Like, yeah, I mean, you know,
I'm funnier because of it.
00:27:12.964 --> 00:27:17.523
I'm able to do all these impressions
because we have this thing where it's very
00:27:17.523 --> 00:27:19.833
easy for people with ADHD to mimic others-
00:27:19.994 --> 00:27:20.213
Mm-hmm
00:27:20.233 --> 00:27:21.073
… to code switch.
00:27:21.244 --> 00:27:23.053
It's very easy for me to copy accents.
00:27:23.053 --> 00:27:27.283
Like, I can spend a week with an
Australian friend and sound like them.
00:27:27.583 --> 00:27:32.204
So just these things where that's
the magic, I guess, but, um, I'm very
00:27:32.214 --> 00:27:38.283
happy to acknowledge that this is
where it comes from because- Otherwise,
00:27:38.344 --> 00:27:40.624
people will tend to misunderstand you.
00:27:40.924 --> 00:27:45.334
They will tend to think that you're
being rude, or maybe like what's,
00:27:45.573 --> 00:27:46.894
as I said, "What's wrong with you?"
00:27:47.244 --> 00:27:51.744
So when you come to realize what you have
and you explain it to people, perhaps
00:27:51.744 --> 00:27:53.683
they will be a bit more understanding.
00:27:53.903 --> 00:27:54.013
Mm.
00:27:54.214 --> 00:27:57.214
So that's why I choose
to be vocal about it.
00:27:57.263 --> 00:27:58.403
I don't think it ruins my magic.
00:27:58.464 --> 00:28:02.944
In fact, I think it explains a lot
of who I am, and thank God for that.
00:28:03.003 --> 00:28:06.733
Otherwise, I would always think
to myself, "What's wrong with me?"
00:28:06.954 --> 00:28:07.154
Mm.
00:28:07.154 --> 00:28:09.883
And that's what I've always
thought to myself my entire life.
00:28:11.003 --> 00:28:11.303
Yeah.
00:28:11.744 --> 00:28:17.363
And it seems like, uh, Malaysia, at
least maybe it's just my awareness- Yeah
00:28:17.373 --> 00:28:20.343
… but there's a lot of funny people-
Yeah … that come out of Malaysia.
00:28:20.373 --> 00:28:21.183
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:21.183 --> 00:28:21.233
And
00:28:21.233 --> 00:28:23.733
and you have obviously
people- We're funny people.
00:28:23.853 --> 00:28:27.623
… over, world, world, uh, you know,
uh, very successful overseas- Yeah
00:28:27.623 --> 00:28:31.344
and globally, uh, but also of
course locally and just chatting
00:28:31.344 --> 00:28:34.604
with friends, hanging out and, and
drinking s- tea or coffee- Yeah
00:28:34.604 --> 00:28:35.543
… everybody's laughing all the time.
00:28:35.913 --> 00:28:38.873
Do you think that's, uh… Where
do you think that comes from?
00:28:39.103 --> 00:28:41.884
Is it something like it's because
people around you are funny that
00:28:41.884 --> 00:28:43.944
you become funnier or, or…?
00:28:44.513 --> 00:28:46.424
Um, I think it's trauma.
00:28:49.034 --> 00:28:49.933
I'm not gonna lie.
00:28:49.933 --> 00:28:56.374
I think, um, a lot of humor comes from
obviously influence and, uh, the friends,
00:28:56.424 --> 00:28:58.873
your parents, or even what you watch.
00:28:59.253 --> 00:29:06.313
And I think in Malaysia especially, we
have the, um, multicultural aspect where
00:29:06.424 --> 00:29:10.563
each culture shares different humors
and different ideas of what is funny.
00:29:10.854 --> 00:29:12.814
We have American humor.
00:29:12.814 --> 00:29:13.833
We have British humor.
00:29:13.833 --> 00:29:17.603
We have so many influences from
all around the world, and honestly,
00:29:17.604 --> 00:29:22.524
I think Malaysia is such a, a, a
blessed country in, in that aspect.
00:29:23.053 --> 00:29:28.204
Um, but at the same time, I think
it's the years of generational trauma,
00:29:28.244 --> 00:29:32.723
you know, us getting beaten and stuff
like that, that makes us kind of
00:29:32.723 --> 00:29:36.433
deal with pain in a lighthearted way.
00:29:36.673 --> 00:29:36.953
Mm.
00:29:36.963 --> 00:29:38.853
That's just my, my opinion, I think.
00:29:39.193 --> 00:29:39.373
Okay.
00:29:39.393 --> 00:29:39.563
Yeah.
00:29:39.564 --> 00:29:40.383
Very interesting.
00:29:41.524 --> 00:29:47.084
Um, so when you think about what you're
moving towards, I mean, like I said,
00:29:47.303 --> 00:29:51.573
you've- now you're, you're getting brand
deals like you mentioned, um, getting
00:29:51.823 --> 00:29:54.184
tons of views that, that are helping you.
00:29:54.604 --> 00:29:59.154
What are your thoughts and
ideas about the future?
00:29:59.154 --> 00:30:02.293
Do you have something you're working
towards, or are you just seeing
00:30:02.393 --> 00:30:03.803
where this journey takes you?
00:30:04.643 --> 00:30:09.303
I think overall I am just seeing
where the journey takes me, 'cause
00:30:09.364 --> 00:30:14.674
I've always had high expectations
for myself, and always had a goal
00:30:14.674 --> 00:30:16.804
of where I wanna be in the future.
00:30:17.553 --> 00:30:24.344
But I think right now I have this
issue where I'm struggling to even
00:30:24.353 --> 00:30:26.123
acknowledge that I've come so far.
00:30:26.704 --> 00:30:31.313
I'm always thinking, like, "How can I be
better? How can I do better? Or what else
00:30:31.314 --> 00:30:36.394
can I do next?" You know, I've turned
all of my hobbies into work, essentially.
00:30:36.474 --> 00:30:39.473
I used to be a foodie, so I used to write
about food, I used to post about food.
00:30:39.474 --> 00:30:40.953
That's how I started in content.
00:30:41.643 --> 00:30:46.393
But then I got sick of food
because I turned it into my job.
00:30:46.663 --> 00:30:47.013
Mm.
00:30:47.053 --> 00:30:52.453
And then now with, uh, comedy,
it's who I am inherently, and
00:30:52.454 --> 00:30:53.634
I don't wanna get bored of it.
00:30:53.704 --> 00:30:57.483
So I'm gonna keep on just
posting and seeing where it goes.
00:30:57.723 --> 00:31:00.603
But at the same time, I
would really love to travel.
00:31:00.903 --> 00:31:04.183
I would love to make that sort of
content that takes me around the
00:31:04.183 --> 00:31:11.263
world, maybe host a funny, um, series
of what you discover elsewhere.
00:31:11.323 --> 00:31:13.183
That would be the dream, but who knows?
00:31:13.293 --> 00:31:13.724
Let's see.
00:31:14.543 --> 00:31:14.863
Yeah,
00:31:14.954 --> 00:31:15.184
mm-hmm.
00:31:15.573 --> 00:31:16.063
Yeah.
00:31:16.623 --> 00:31:21.093
Is that… So when you look back at
those other phases that you kind of
00:31:21.314 --> 00:31:24.733
burned yourself out on, i- is there
regret there, or is it just, "No,
00:31:24.733 --> 00:31:28.463
that's okay. I, m- my na- th- that
came to its natural conclusion"?
00:31:28.693 --> 00:31:33.623
Oh, yeah, 100%, 'cause I wanted to
really take content creation seriously
00:31:33.744 --> 00:31:35.363
or to the next level last year.
00:31:35.723 --> 00:31:38.153
So in March I started thinking of ideas.
00:31:38.153 --> 00:31:40.073
I started thinking, "Oh,
should I post a new page?
00:31:40.073 --> 00:31:41.033
Should I create a new page?
00:31:41.043 --> 00:31:42.793
Should I… What should I post about?
00:31:42.793 --> 00:31:45.784
What should my niche be?" And I
was struggling so hard to find one.
00:31:45.814 --> 00:31:48.303
I was, like, really,
really looking for it.
00:31:48.593 --> 00:31:52.914
I've always enjoyed watching
aesthetic content, like date places
00:31:52.943 --> 00:31:57.094
or things to do, but I realized
that's not me, 'cause I hate editing.
00:31:57.224 --> 00:32:02.064
I hate that whole having to sit and look
at myself for an hour or two, having to
00:32:02.064 --> 00:32:06.913
cut everything, and sometimes I cringe at,
you know, the things I see or what I say.
00:32:07.383 --> 00:32:13.522
Um- And then I realized that I was
trying so hard to be someone that I
00:32:13.522 --> 00:32:17.981
wasn't, that even though I do like to
watch this doesn't mean I have to do it.
00:32:18.182 --> 00:32:23.812
So that's why doing the funny stuff
by accident was truly a blessing.
00:32:23.951 --> 00:32:26.842
It was … Honestly, I'm
so, so grateful for it.
00:32:27.292 --> 00:32:27.662
Yeah.
00:32:27.932 --> 00:32:33.092
And so when you … 'Cause you
still have, like you mentioned, are
00:32:33.092 --> 00:32:37.791
looking obviously at the numbers
and seeing what performs well, what
00:32:37.821 --> 00:32:39.621
people like, what they don't like.
00:32:39.852 --> 00:32:45.981
How do you make sure to still keep it fun,
keep it you, and do what you wanna do,
00:32:45.982 --> 00:32:49.011
and not be a slave to the algorithm- Yeah
00:32:49.021 --> 00:32:50.832
or what people are, are saying?
00:32:51.131 --> 00:32:51.722
Oh my gosh.
00:32:51.741 --> 00:32:56.182
Like, I was definitely
obsessed with metrics in the
00:32:56.182 --> 00:32:57.681
beginning, at the beginning.
00:32:57.771 --> 00:33:03.641
I was constantly looking at the numbers
thinking, "Oh, if this didn't hit a
00:33:03.641 --> 00:33:07.632
million views, that was a flop." And
that's crazy, because some people
00:33:07.661 --> 00:33:11.982
take years to hit their first viral
video, and I had just started posting
00:33:11.982 --> 00:33:13.422
this sort of content in December.
00:33:14.221 --> 00:33:21.521
And I realized that as time passed,
I just needed to do whatever the
00:33:21.522 --> 00:33:29.062
heck I wanted because it is my page,
as long as I don't switch up too
00:33:29.062 --> 00:33:30.961
fast in terms of what I'm posting.
00:33:31.512 --> 00:33:36.521
Um, the newer audience or the older
audience, if they wanna fall off or
00:33:36.522 --> 00:33:38.441
if they wanna come back in, it's fine.
00:33:38.471 --> 00:33:43.111
I just need to continue doing what
I do, and I think that's how I
00:33:43.122 --> 00:33:44.802
still keep the magic for myself.
00:33:44.802 --> 00:33:48.371
Sometimes I take a week off, and I'm
like, "Ah, I don't wanna post this week.
00:33:48.412 --> 00:33:53.031
I'm just gonna marinate in my thoughts
and my ideas and see what comes up."
00:33:53.482 --> 00:33:58.831
Otherwise, you're just sucked into that
hole of, oh, this video is not doing
00:33:58.831 --> 00:34:01.671
well, that video's not doing well, or
this video's doing well, I should do
00:34:01.671 --> 00:34:05.682
more like that, and then you start to
lose sight of what you think is funny.
00:34:06.031 --> 00:34:10.201
There are a lot of times where I actually
posted something for the sake of it.
00:34:10.531 --> 00:34:13.972
Mm. I didn't think it was funny, like I
thought it was cringe, and then it goes
00:34:13.991 --> 00:34:19.241
viral, and I'm like, I … There was one
time I posted a draft that I held onto
00:34:19.261 --> 00:34:23.622
for months 'cause I thought, "That sucks.
I don't wanna watch that. I didn't do a
00:34:23.622 --> 00:34:25.541
good job," and it got 6 million views.
00:34:26.221 --> 00:34:28.781
It's just things like that where you
just never know what's gonna happen,
00:34:28.781 --> 00:34:32.621
so every time I have this thought
of being obsessed with metrics or
00:34:32.632 --> 00:34:36.731
being obsessed with what does well,
I have to remember it is what it is.
00:34:36.931 --> 00:34:38.361
If it does well, it does well.
00:34:38.412 --> 00:34:43.171
If it doesn't, it doesn't, and I
have to pat myself on the back for
00:34:43.221 --> 00:34:49.042
even coming this far so fast when
people take years to get here.
00:34:49.442 --> 00:34:54.192
So it's counting your blessings that
keeps me, you know, a bit more grounded.
00:34:54.591 --> 00:34:54.681
For
00:34:54.772 --> 00:34:55.182
sure.
00:34:55.471 --> 00:35:00.150
Think, I think that's interesting what
you say about cringe because- Recently I
00:35:00.150 --> 00:35:04.060
have had a lot of artists- Yeah … um,
from fine art to performance art,
00:35:04.390 --> 00:35:08.930
um, and everywhere in between on the
podcast, and basically every single one
00:35:08.939 --> 00:35:13.000
of them has said when they looked at
their work, especially some of their
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.699
old work, they feel that it's cringe.
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.039
Oh, yeah.
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.590
And it's part of the growing process, it's
part of how you see how far you've come.
00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:26.540
But for comedy, I guess it's
almost another level because it's
00:35:26.569 --> 00:35:28.769
built in to what you're doing.
00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:30.569
Oh, 100%.
00:35:30.970 --> 00:35:37.759
I think I am so disgustingly embarrassing,
cringe, shameful, everything you can
00:35:37.759 --> 00:35:40.099
think of, I think about that first myself.
00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:43.309
So whenever someone comments or
says, "Oh, that video's a bit…" I'm
00:35:43.310 --> 00:35:46.919
like, "Yeah, I know, but that's why
I posted it," because once you get
00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:51.910
past that layer of cringe, nothing
else can be more cringe than cringe.
00:35:52.259 --> 00:35:53.299
What else is more cringe?
00:35:53.299 --> 00:35:53.840
There's nothing.
00:35:53.849 --> 00:35:59.079
It's just you… Cringe is the
price to pay for freedom, right?
00:35:59.089 --> 00:36:04.059
So once you get past that barrier, you're
like, "Ah, how bad could it be? How much
00:36:04.089 --> 00:36:07.719
more could I embarrass myself?" And then
you just don't feel embarrassed anymore.
00:36:07.729 --> 00:36:11.259
Mm. So now I actually never feel
embarrassed with what I post.
00:36:11.299 --> 00:36:16.960
It's more like maybe if I don't do certain
accents correctly, I do feel like, "Oh,
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.389
I should've done that a bit better.
00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:22.689
That was horrible," but some people
still enjoy it, so it really depends.
00:36:23.729 --> 00:36:27.329
And it's almost like,
uh, exposure therapy.
00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:31.499
'Cause I mean, some of us, like even
if you hear yourself talk on the
00:36:31.499 --> 00:36:34.360
microphone or the camera for the first
time, you're, you don't feel good.
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.259
Even, even if you're talking
about a serious topic or you're
00:36:37.259 --> 00:36:38.609
not trying to be cringe or funny.
00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:39.040
Yeah.
00:36:39.109 --> 00:36:44.479
Um, but eventually you just get used
to it and you keep going and, um, it
00:36:44.600 --> 00:36:48.729
doesn't become as painful to watch
yourself back or to listen to yourself.
00:36:48.799 --> 00:36:49.459
Oh, for sure.
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:54.009
I think the most pain I have felt
watching myself back was actually when I
00:36:54.009 --> 00:36:57.240
was- pretending to be someone I wasn't.
00:36:57.610 --> 00:37:01.259
So I, as I said, like, in the past
when I used to share a lot about my
00:37:01.259 --> 00:37:07.730
life, I would constantly take videos
of myself talking or just babbling on.
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.009
And I realized that I would
put filters on my face.
00:37:12.270 --> 00:37:16.919
I would maybe speak in an accent that I
thought everyone was comfortable with, or
00:37:16.970 --> 00:37:22.140
I would talk in a way that was more demure
or more sexy or I don't know whatnot.
00:37:22.149 --> 00:37:26.509
But, ugh, looking back at that, I was
like, "Who is that girl? Like, she's
00:37:26.509 --> 00:37:28.430
just trying so hard to be accepted."
00:37:28.729 --> 00:37:32.129
And now I'm just like, "Ah,
take me as, as I am, or don't
00:37:32.139 --> 00:37:33.189
take me at all. I don't care."
00:37:34.419 --> 00:37:40.499
So how do you manage to really… It's
like being, not being performative-
00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:40.889
Yes
00:37:40.909 --> 00:37:42.009
… but being really you.
00:37:42.419 --> 00:37:43.369
Yeah, so that's the thing.
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:49.069
Um, I think people can sense when
you are performing versus when you
00:37:49.069 --> 00:37:51.830
are just talking to the camera.
00:37:52.209 --> 00:37:56.490
And for me, I don't think I've actually
received a lot of comments that I'm
00:37:56.490 --> 00:38:01.159
being performative because, as I said,
like, it's very… It's a lot of work
00:38:01.169 --> 00:38:07.960
for me to actually perform on camera,
and this was a realization when I was in
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.779
Singapore last year with my best friend.
00:38:10.269 --> 00:38:11.880
And at the time, I wanted to vlog.
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.939
As I said, I was, like, trying to
post more content, and the way I
00:38:15.940 --> 00:38:19.499
was talking to the camera was in
such a way that I was like, "Guys,
00:38:19.499 --> 00:38:21.119
today I'm gonna open this box.
00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:22.779
Like, have a look at that.
00:38:22.830 --> 00:38:25.449
Oh, my God, so cute." And my best
friend literally looked at me
00:38:25.449 --> 00:38:26.660
and he was like, "Who are you?
00:38:26.749 --> 00:38:31.009
Like, that's not you." And I was like,
"Oh, my God, you're right." But I was
00:38:31.269 --> 00:38:36.609
doing it like that because I had been told
by clients in the past that my voice is
00:38:36.610 --> 00:38:41.160
too low, that it's too deep, that it's
not excitable, that it's underwhelming,
00:38:41.449 --> 00:38:44.079
that I have a RBF, you know?
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.739
I have that face that, like,
looks like you can kill people.
00:38:47.662 --> 00:38:48.471
But I'm not.
00:38:48.531 --> 00:38:49.432
I'm really friendly.
00:38:49.752 --> 00:38:57.321
Um, so with that being said, I told
myself, "Let me just be who I am."
00:38:57.971 --> 00:39:02.932
Um, there are some days where I will
have to put on a bit of a show, uh,
00:39:02.942 --> 00:39:06.611
especially when I meet people in
real life or when I, uh, do certain
00:39:06.621 --> 00:39:12.332
accents or impressions, but the normal
conversational stuff, that's just me.
00:39:12.591 --> 00:39:12.932
Mm.
00:39:13.162 --> 00:39:13.682
Yeah.
00:39:13.982 --> 00:39:17.081
So it must feel pretty good, like,
you know you're making people laugh-
00:39:17.261 --> 00:39:17.561
Yeah
00:39:17.571 --> 00:39:20.511
… and they're, they think you're
funny, and they're really
00:39:20.522 --> 00:39:21.731
enjoying what they're watching.
00:39:21.732 --> 00:39:24.082
You're not trying to sound smart or-
00:39:24.091 --> 00:39:24.392
Yeah
00:39:24.452 --> 00:39:27.111
… teach people things, but just
making people laugh, that's
00:39:27.261 --> 00:39:30.241
helping, helping the world, helping
people have a better day, right?
00:39:30.291 --> 00:39:31.151
Yeah, for sure.
00:39:31.162 --> 00:39:36.611
I think it's such a, it's such
a blessing to have these people
00:39:36.612 --> 00:39:38.681
enjoy my content and my humor.
00:39:38.682 --> 00:39:43.851
I think as someone who has frequently
been misunderstood and mislabeled as
00:39:43.851 --> 00:39:48.771
different or as abnormal or weird,
um, it's very nice to see that
00:39:49.211 --> 00:39:53.881
people are very open-minded to the
kind of content that I make, and
00:39:53.891 --> 00:39:56.931
it kind of just validates in a way.
00:39:56.931 --> 00:40:01.881
I know I'm not supposed to get validation
from other people, but it reminds me
00:40:01.901 --> 00:40:07.682
that this is real, that I'm not an
imposter, that I don't just… It's not
00:40:07.691 --> 00:40:11.382
all in my head that I think I'm funny,
that other people actually do as well.
00:40:11.801 --> 00:40:15.121
And I think that's why whenever I receive
a hate comment, it really doesn't bother
00:40:15.121 --> 00:40:18.591
me, 'cause I know for every hate comment
I get, there are thousands of other
00:40:18.591 --> 00:40:26.411
people who genuinely enjoy my content and
keep encouraging me or pushing me to do
00:40:26.452 --> 00:40:28.831
better or to continue doing what I do.
00:40:29.341 --> 00:40:29.712
Right.
00:40:30.882 --> 00:40:36.701
And so I think another part of it probably
is, again, people who want to be content
00:40:36.702 --> 00:40:41.341
creators end up working very hard at
it and- Mm-hmm … creating videos and
00:40:41.351 --> 00:40:45.681
being consistent and putting themselves
out there, and they would love to have
00:40:45.681 --> 00:40:47.901
a video that goes viral or get popular.
00:40:47.901 --> 00:40:49.741
But now that that's…
00:40:49.791 --> 00:40:53.031
'Cause it happened quite suddenly for
you, I think- Yeah … compared to some
00:40:53.041 --> 00:40:54.451
of the people I've talked to before.
00:40:55.162 --> 00:40:55.761
Um-
00:40:57.984 --> 00:41:01.744
What I, I, I'm guessing,
an educated guess is-
00:41:01.784 --> 00:41:02.004
Yeah
00:41:02.184 --> 00:41:05.604
… it probably is, like, you still
feel like, "Oh, I'm just me
00:41:05.604 --> 00:41:07.104
still. It's not that different."
00:41:07.374 --> 00:41:08.224
Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:41:08.434 --> 00:41:12.324
I think for the first few months,
especially, when everything was really
00:41:12.324 --> 00:41:17.043
going viral, like, it passed the
double digits of vi- virality, right?
00:41:17.213 --> 00:41:23.644
I was not processing it in a way
that was like, "This is happening."
00:41:23.644 --> 00:41:28.333
To me, it was always a shock and-
Mm … a shock to the system, for sure.
00:41:28.333 --> 00:41:32.653
And when I hit my first 100K, I was
like, "Oh, my gosh, this doesn't feel
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real. It, it, it doesn't feel like this
is reality, 'cause I'm still the same
00:41:37.164 --> 00:41:38.964
person. I'm still posting what I do."
00:41:39.013 --> 00:41:40.524
It happened so quickly.
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And I think the thing that really hit
me, or when it really hit me, was I
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went out to celebrate the 100K, 'cause
I was like, "This is crazy, right?
00:41:49.173 --> 00:41:53.203
I was… I would be so happy if
I had gotten 10K, and I got 100.
00:41:53.243 --> 00:41:58.453
That's mad." And I was in Petaling
Street, uh, taking a video with
00:41:58.454 --> 00:42:03.133
my fiancé, and this guy comes and
taps my fiancé's shoulder and says,
00:42:03.154 --> 00:42:04.664
"Can I take a photo with her?"
00:42:04.673 --> 00:42:10.684
S- And at the time, I was like, "Why?"
'Cause I didn't… It didn't click to me
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that it could be because of my content.
00:42:11.923 --> 00:42:13.693
No, no way, not possible.
00:42:13.943 --> 00:42:17.283
And he said, "I'm your fan." I
was like, "What do you mean?"
00:42:17.474 --> 00:42:19.644
And he said, "Your, your content.
00:42:20.224 --> 00:42:24.753
I'm not dot, dot, dot, but" And I
was like, "Oh, my God." And I took
00:42:24.754 --> 00:42:28.883
a, a, a photo with him and a video,
and I was like, "This is real?
00:42:29.203 --> 00:42:31.833
Like, actually, people are watching
me." And he wasn't even from KL.
00:42:31.834 --> 00:42:33.633
He was from, like, Penang or something.
00:42:34.334 --> 00:42:34.984
Crazy.
00:42:35.053 --> 00:42:36.973
Just absolutely insane,
but nothing has changed.
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Like, I feel like the, the key thing to
being a successful content creator, not
00:42:42.553 --> 00:42:48.634
that I am yet, but to being a content
creator that is well-loved by the public,
00:42:49.123 --> 00:42:51.173
is by never forgetting how you started.
00:42:51.923 --> 00:42:57.623
So I always, always am appreciative
to all my followers, to all
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the people in the comments.
00:42:58.923 --> 00:43:00.053
I always say thank you.
00:43:00.053 --> 00:43:04.284
I always try and respond when I
can, because these are the people
00:43:04.284 --> 00:43:08.463
that helped me get to where I
am and still where I need to be.
00:43:09.033 --> 00:43:13.683
I just never, ever forget that, and
always stay, like, rooted in the ground.
00:43:14.094 --> 00:43:14.714
That's awesome.
00:43:15.313 --> 00:43:21.763
So, uh, the final question I like to ask
all of my guests is, if we sit down again
00:43:21.823 --> 00:43:26.974
in five years and talked, what would you
like to be able to tell me has happened
00:43:27.044 --> 00:43:31.844
between now and then that would make
you feel like that time was a success?
00:43:33.014 --> 00:43:42.466
I think- Just to be very, very happy in
what I have achieved and knowing that
00:43:42.486 --> 00:43:47.955
I took all the risks that I possibly
could have, knowing that I challenged
00:43:47.955 --> 00:43:54.415
myself in places that I was maybe
fearful to even go to or things that
00:43:54.415 --> 00:43:57.065
I thought I wasn't good enough for.
00:43:57.615 --> 00:44:03.395
To be able to get past all of that
doubt and try everything, and to be
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able to tell you I have no regrets
because I tried everything, I did
00:44:08.426 --> 00:44:10.915
what I loved, and I love what I do.
00:44:11.325 --> 00:44:12.975
I'm not doing it to chase clout.
00:44:13.106 --> 00:44:15.485
I'm doing it because I
genuinely feel fulfillment.
00:44:16.446 --> 00:44:17.556
That would be a success for me.
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Awesome.
00:44:18.825 --> 00:44:20.855
I think you're definitely
on a path to achieve that.
00:44:21.285 --> 00:44:21.595
Thank you so much.
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Um, in case people somehow have not seen
your content yet, where can they find you?
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What are your social handles?
00:44:28.665 --> 00:44:33.346
Can find me at @sorude_ on IG and TikTok.
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Awesome.
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We'll put the links in the show notes.
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Thank you.
00:44:37.105 --> 00:44:38.365
And thank you so much
again for joining me.
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It was great.
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Thank you for having me.
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It was awesome.
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Okay, bye everybody.
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