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The following podcast is part of the Mind Body, Spirit
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dot fm podcast network.
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Hello and welcome to Back in Control Radio with Doctor
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David Hanscombe.
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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Back in
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Control Radio with Doctor David Hanscomb. I'm your host, Tom Masters,
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and our guest today is Deborah Gray. She's a therapist
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and business owner with two master's degrees in clinical social
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work and Mind body Medicine. Having dealt with and transcended
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her own difficult circumstances, she has made a career out
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of helping others live a life by design. She is
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now using rapid transformational therapy to quickly bring joy back
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into the lives of her clients.
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Welcome, Thank you, Deb Welcome back to the podcast. I'm
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just Deb gree in the first podcast, and she's somebody
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I've known for many years, since twenty thirteen, and she
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has two master's degree in clinical social work and Mind
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Body Medicine. She's been through a lot of difficult circumstances
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and I met her a workshop in the America Institute
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in ride Back in New York is a five day workshop,
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and we talked about the first podcast how deb started
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to learn came to a second workshop. To make a
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long story short, she went pretty much to pain free
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in about, oh, probably twelve months. I would say, Dev,
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is that about right? So Dev shared her story on
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the first podcast, but I really want her to share
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today is what she's doing now moving forward, because a
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lot of the concepts that we thought about ten years
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ago now becoming more clear in our minds. And so
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dev'zell learned a process called rapid transfornational therapy to quickly
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bring joy back into the lives of those who suffer.
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And we're going to talk about how that for her,
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what she's doing now, and I'm just I'm excited about
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her journey in general. So Dale, welcome back to the podcast.
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Thank you, David. I'm glad to be here.
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So Devi's use lots of different tools, and I'm going
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to start this out by delineating a process I call
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deep healing as opposed to self help. And it sounds well,
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you would think, well, isn't that the same thing, Well
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it's not. So. When your body's in fight or flight
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what we call it through a physology, your body breaks down,
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but you need fight or flight to stay alive. In
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other words, just a challenge to stay alive. We're all
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competing for resources. It takes energy to do that, which
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means adrenaline, corrasol, inflammatory sided kinds. Your brain's on fire,
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your brain's on high alert. So we know sustain chronic
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stress i e. Sustained fight or flight breaks the body down.
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Deep healing occurs when you have time to rest in between.
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So with chronic stress, you have no time to rest
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and regenerate. So what you do, you're training your body
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to go more into safety physiology and less than threat.
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You're never going to get rid of threat physiology, otherwise
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you would not stay alive. So the whole concept of
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deep healing is you learned to get your body more
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safety physiology or less fight or flight, and your body
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heals itself. What self help does says well, I don't
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like pain. I want to get rid of it. If
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I have all these tools to fight the pain, I'm
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going to somehow feel better. Unfortunately, the pain's running the show.
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And by literally inadvertently fighting the pain, you actually make
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things more inflammatory. So what deb and I have come
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across inadvertently, even though I need the language is becoming
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more clearly is that you as you learn self calming
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tools that are int inflammatory, help your restum regenerate, your
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body heals itself. So again that means you have to
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learn to be with the pain, to train yourself not
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to react to the pain. That includes mental pain and
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physical pain. And you're going to react, that's the end stain.
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But how long do you want to stay in that reaction?
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So you learn to related bidis chemistry in a way
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that allows you to be in more safety and in
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less fight or flight. We call that deep healing, and
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self help processes help, but they don't help by themselves.
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It's sort of a combination of self help processes that
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allow you to get into deep healing. So the learning
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processes on the skills, not on the pains, on the
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skills about how do I process adversity and how do
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I nurture joy? The two separate skill sets. They're linked,
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but they're separate. You can't really nurture joy if you're
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in fight or flight. You have to let the fight
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or flight do his thing. You do your thing over
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here with the conscious brain. It's a dynamic process occurs
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every day all day long, back and forth. So Deb
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in her own way, has learned how to do this
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and she has thrived at a really nice level. Right
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I have.
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I would say I'm one of the most resilient people
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I know.
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Right, So, right, and let me ask you a question.
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And this is something that's hit my brain about three
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months ago. So somehow people feel that they should be
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fore your pain, that they should not be in pain, right.
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Right, Okay, there's the first mistake, right, because it's a
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thinking error, right right, Because if we think anything, if
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we think should, it automatically is going to either if
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we're shoulding someone else, we're going to be disappointed, angry
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or hurt by what they're shoulding to do and they
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didn't do it. If we should ourselves, we feel guilt
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and depression. So that's that's our that's the basis of
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cognitive berial therapy. Is is our thinking. So we you know,
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there's some language around that that can help. But that
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was that's the first mistake. Is when we start, we
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should be out of pain. Right, we're already inflaming ourselves.
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So if you the only way you're going to be
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out of pain if you are dead, not alive. I mean,
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your body is designed to look for danger pain, just
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as danger and danger exists every day all around us,
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both mental and physical. By the way, mental pain is
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processed in a similar manner to physical pain, and it hurts.
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So we have a big problem to deal with mental pain.
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Physical pain is there every day, so the pain is
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always going to be unpleasant. That's not the goal here.
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The goal is too But when you get angry about
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being and pain, that's when your nervous system really fires up.
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So you and I talked a little bit before this
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podcast about affirmations, which by themselves are sort of deadly,
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but we came up with a different set of concepts
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which we don't have a word for yet. You want
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to explain that.
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A little bit, sure, So we were talking about how
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if we just say I'm okay, but that's that's not helpful,
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and you and you were explaining why that's not helpful,
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and I was telling you about affirmations that I use
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are used in a way to help me go down
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the rabbit hole into positivity. So, for example, if I'm
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feeling attacked, I would use language in my head. I
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don't even say it out loud. I just think I'm
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surrounded by people who love and support me, and that
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rabbit hole looks like I'm thinking about my grandchildren, I'm
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thinking about the people I care about. I'm thinking about
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who I might call that could give me some words
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of encouragement, and that leads me into that direction of positivity,
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which is anti inflammatory.
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Right, because the other choices is to complain. And let's
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talk about that just for a second, because I want
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to get to your rapid transformational therapy pretty quickly. But
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one of the cardinal rules that we learned at OMEGA,
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and it was just evolving when you were there the
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first year or the second year, but one of the
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absolutes that we have found out as far as healing
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from chronic pain is never discussing your pain, no discussion
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your medical care, no complaining, no negativity, no giving unasked
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for advice, no criticism. Because we do that a lot
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as human beings. We judge, we complain, we go into
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the victim role. And so until you can actually just
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flat out stop the negative conversation, you just cannot heal
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because that input changes your body's chemistry to fight or flight.
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So can you go a little bit more detail again
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about the neuro linguistic programming, about how as you change
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your language actually changing your physiology.
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Yes.
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So I actually learned this from a woman named Yvonne
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Oswald who wrote a book Every Word Has Power, okay,
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and I went to a nine day training with her okay,
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and a good part of it was neuro linguistic programming,
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which is basically how language hits your nervous system.
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So if I say to my staff we've got a
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big problem, they automatically feel it in their chest. You know,
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they catch a breath, right, and that inflames the nervous system.
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If I say, we have an opportunity to make some
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good changes here that can make things easier, well, there's
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no physical action to that. So I have learned over
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time and through that process. We actually spent nine days.
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There were twelve of us, and we used high energy
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language and we call it was called the switch game,
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and it's in her book it's just the switch game.
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Switch game.
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So we're actually practicing on each other switching language.
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So if I heard you, David say, you know, I'm
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just really tired, I would say switch and then you
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would have to come up with a language that was
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higher energy. And we know it's higher energy because if
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you put it into Google, and a lot of negative
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stories come up. That's not the high energy. If something
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positive comes up, you know you're right on track. So
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you might say instead, you know, I'm not having much
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energy today, or I'm feeling like I could really use
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a good night's sleep, right, And those are both positive
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and they hit your body differently, and you could probably
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explain chemically and physically why that happens. At my level,
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I think it happens because because if I'm thinking thoughts
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that are not healthy are say, I'm already switching my
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language that might be considered less than positive. It might
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cause me to get muscle tension, or it might cause
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my stomach to get upset, or my heart to be
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faster right so, and and with all of that, or
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to release cord of the adrenaline, a stress hormone. Right So,
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language actually helped is one of my tools. It's one
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of my major tools. And changing my thought processing is
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something I just do naturally now, like it just happens.
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Like if I hear I was telling you, if I
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hear someone cough in the next stle over at Walmart,
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my my brain immediately says to myself, I'm healthy and
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full of energy. Just a reminder that positive way of
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looking at life and calming my nervous system. So I'm
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not because if I went into that whole thought of
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oh what if they have COVID and there's probably COVID
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all over here and look at all the germs and
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what did I touch? Now I've created the anxiety. I've
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created the inflammation.
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Right and inadvertently, what you've done by being on high alert,
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you've actually compromised your main system is so backwards, right,
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it's all backwards. So but yeah, So the emphasis is
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on the tools and a positive vision. And one of
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my more major mentors is pointed out there, we're mostly
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programmed by negativity. We have lots of things we should
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shouldn't be. We're programmed by who everyone else thinks we
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should be. So who are we? I mean, who are we? Actually?
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So the brain is programmable, So you have a lifetime
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a program that you can't change. You cannot change it,
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which you can separate from it and actually program in
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whoever you want going forward. So when we talk about
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positive affirmations, that's one thing to reassure yourself that you're okay,
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because you really reinforce the fact that I'm not okay,
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but really having a positive vision and sticking with it
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and I conviousedly do this. I can achieve this. I
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can do this. I'm surrounded by family of friends. That's
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a different energy than just constantly reassuring yourself. So ongoing
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to reassurance is a huge problem. Creating a vision and
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reinforcing that vision is a huge factor in achieving at
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number one, but also major factor in your body's chemistry.
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So let's jump into this rapid transformational therapy. You're pretty
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excited about that, so I will talk about that. So
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let's talk about that.
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Okay. So this is something I just learned, and I
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went to Los Angeles in June and trained under recipeer
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who is in the UK and she has a number
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of books out. You can find her on YouTube. But
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I actually came across it because I was listening to
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a podcast and they were talking about how she had
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healed herself from cancer and she had this method called
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direct instruct command, compel and code body back to help.
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So that's how I.
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Can you repeat that? Can you repeat that again a
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little bit more slow?
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I sure can. It's my excitement, David, I get excited,
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talk faster, so it's instruct, command, compel, and code, and
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it all has to do again with our brains are
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so amazing in order to heal ourselves, right like. And
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consecutively for years, finding huge major changes. So one of
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the biggest changes I've seen is with a gentleman that
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the movements, the hand movements, and then it got worse
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verbal out burst one side of his face with grimace,
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he would have ticks and shot. He described it as
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shocks going through his body and he was having up
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to ten fifteen an hour. So this is twenty sixteen.
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guided imagery, and the whole process is guided imagery into
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understanding why and how I came to be this way,
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then understanding the role, the function, the purpose and intention
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of having this problem, and then then it's interrupting it.
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a medication change. It also took him back to another
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situation with his dad. His dad had a neurological disorder,
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the process that we're now three weeks though he is
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reporting zero outbursts. He had ten shots an hour. He
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has had no shots. He is reporting that he's social again.
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our brother and friend back. And he has very minimal
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tremors compared to tremors and shakes that would literally reel
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him back and I would hear his next snap and
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he would be in this pain. And he has the
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grimacing has almost completely stopped. He can actually feel it
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coming on and relax his face. So he has none
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of the pain issues related to what he was going through.
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of things physical and emotional. Another client has a tumor
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that is causing them to wake up in the night
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and chronic pain, you know, and pain different positions would
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cause the pain. We did this two weeks ago today,
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through the night. The pain isn't completely gone, it's not
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waking her up at night, and she had not slept
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through the night since January, and so she's just totally
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amazed and she's kind of excited to see what's going
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to happen. When she actually gets her next scan on
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the tumor itself, because she is finding that she's feeling better.
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did you state those words again that this process consists.
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didn't find out in Seattle that medic hypnosis is very powerful.
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deep guided imagy relaxation.
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That's exactly what it is, right, and I and I
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have friends and family who would be concerned about that
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from a spiritual basis, right, And then that and it's
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easily easily adaptable to just relax right, right, we're just relaxing.
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get into a relaxed state of mind, you can access
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part of your brain that you don't access when you're overthinking.
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limbic brain or the fear brain, and you actually cannot
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you actually cannot think clearly. Performance goes down, Athletic performance
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goes down, students scores go down, and anxiety goes up.
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the brain, including the blood flow, so you cannot access it.
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your brain back online.
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then what happens is the next part of it is
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guided imagery into the root caused, the reason, the why
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this showed up in my life in the first place.
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guide you back to three scenes that all have to
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issue is anxiety or worse sadness or grief and loss
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or performance. Like I worked with someone the other day
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who just had a fear of putting herself out there.
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and she had a fear of putting herself out there
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because what it came down to was a fear of rejection,
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and all three of her scenes were about events where
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she felt rejected. One of them went all the way
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back to being born, knowing that her father didn't want
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to have a child. And did she know that consciously? Yes,
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did she know that that was what was feeding her fear. Now,
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when she did this process, she found out the why,
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interrupt it, to break it up. Right, So we might say,
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for example, that's not me because my father loves me.
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because he shows up for me.
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because you had talked about that how we get programmed
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to survive. We see threats everywhere, and so we don't
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always understand or know what programming has gone in because
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sometimes it's very subtle. Like I think I shared with
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you one time, David, that I thought I was supposed
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to like everybody, right, and so if I think I'm
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supposed to like everybody, what that did was it turned
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me into a people pleaser, a bit of a chameleon,
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afraid to share my opinions and thoughts. Now, this was
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many years ago, and then through a process of learning
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the why was I'm supposed to like everybody? I had
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a very clear memory of my mom telling me with
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her finger wagging, don't talk about your friends that way
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because you need to like everybody. Wow and so and
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so that belief went into my system and then not
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knowing it was there, I just acted on it. And
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then of course that's not always true, because some people
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are not safe for you, are not good for you, right,
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discerning in the relationships that I had once I had
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that figured out. So that's what our TT does does.
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it may take one to three sessions because sometimes there's
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like you know, going to the ocean, right, you might
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be able to work on that clear that up. And
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get it cleared, it doesn't make you become the fool.
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You're not going to go jump off the deep end
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of the diving board into the deep end of the pool.
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be able to walk around the pool without fear of
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falling in. And so you might work on that issue
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and they're great around the pool, they're great around the ocean,
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but they get near a river where it's muddy and dirty.
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like that, you might have to hit the one or
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two reveins of what else might.
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bouncing practice or it's just what you're doing moving into
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full time? I am.
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I'm finishing up with my other practice. I'm working towards
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like I think I told you, I have clients that
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I've done one or two sessions of RTT that I've
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been working with for a long time, and it's clearing
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it and so suddenly they're canceling their appointments because they're
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feeling so good they're not needing it nice And so
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that's my goal is to the practice that I have,
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help everybody get to where they need to be, and
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then move forward doing this as my clinical practice. I'll
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still run my agency there's lots of other things to
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do in it, right, but my therapy is going.
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To be this and this is this is premach over zoom.
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Correct, it's over zoom or in person if you're you know,
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if you're in the area, or if you want to
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fly me anywhere, I'll be I'll come.
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you live? I do live in rural Maine, right, howp
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is your town?
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Eight thousand?
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Canadian border.
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and we're in Canada, right. I can get to Canada
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in twenty minutes, so you are north.
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So well, dev thank you very much. I know from
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the last podcast that you don't have a website yet,
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but you gave out your phone number and your email.
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If you could give that out again, we'll put it
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on the show notes.
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Absolutely. It's two zero seven six one three six six
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zero five and the email is d Gray d g
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All right, Well again, thank you. I know we just
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touched the tip of the iceberg today. But in general,
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Dep's come through quite a journey. She's developed a very
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fine home set of skills as far as dealing with adversity.
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She also knows how to enjoy yourself, which are the
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two basic parts of healing. And so deb thank you
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very much for being on the show.
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Oh, thank you, David. This has been a real pleasure
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and it's always a joy to see you, and I
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wish you luck in all the work that you're doing,
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because you really are making a difference. She made a
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difference in my life, and I know you're making a
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difference in the world. So I appreciate you so much.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to thank our guests dev Gray for being
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on the show today and explaining the principles and techniques
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of rapid transformational therapy and how they contribute to the
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healing process. I'm your host, Tom Masters, reminding you to
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be back next week for another episode of Back in
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Control Radio with doctor David Hanscombe, and in the meantime,
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be sure to visit the website at www dot backincontrol
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dot com.
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Thanks for listening today and join us next week for
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The following podcast is part of the Mind Body, Spirit
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Hello and welcome to Back in Control Radio with Doctor
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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Back in
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Control Radio with Doctor David Hanscomb. I'm your host, Tom Masters,
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and our guest today is Deborah Gray. She's a therapist
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work and Mind body Medicine. Having dealt with and transcended
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her own difficult circumstances, she has made a career out
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of helping others live a life by design. She is
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now using rapid transformational therapy to quickly bring joy back
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just Deb gree in the first podcast, and she's somebody
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is that about right? So Dev shared her story on
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the first podcast, but I really want her to share
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today is what she's doing now moving forward, because a
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lot of the concepts that we thought about ten years
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ago now becoming more clear in our minds. And so
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dev'zell learned a process called rapid transfornational therapy to quickly
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bring joy back into the lives of those who suffer.
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what she's doing now, and I'm just I'm excited about
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her journey in general. So Dale, welcome back to the podcast.
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Thank you, David. I'm glad to be here.
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So Devi's use lots of different tools, and I'm going
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to start this out by delineating a process I call
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deep healing as opposed to self help. And it sounds well,
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you would think, well, isn't that the same thing, Well
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it's not. So. When your body's in fight or flight
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what we call it through a physology, your body breaks down,
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but you need fight or flight to stay alive. In
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other words, just a challenge to stay alive. We're all
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competing for resources. It takes energy to do that, which
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means adrenaline, corrasol, inflammatory sided kinds. Your brain's on fire,
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your brain's on high alert. So we know sustain chronic
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stress i e. Sustained fight or flight breaks the body down.
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and regenerate. So what you do, you're training your body
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to go more into safety physiology and less than threat.
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you would not stay alive. So the whole concept of
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deep healing is you learned to get your body more
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safety physiology or less fight or flight, and your body
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heals itself. What self help does says well, I don't
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like pain. I want to get rid of it. If
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I have all these tools to fight the pain, I'm
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going to somehow feel better. Unfortunately, the pain's running the show.
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things more inflammatory. So what deb and I have come
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across inadvertently, even though I need the language is becoming
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more clearly is that you as you learn self calming
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tools that are int inflammatory, help your restum regenerate, your
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body heals itself. So again that means you have to
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learn to be with the pain, to train yourself not
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to react to the pain. That includes mental pain and
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physical pain. And you're going to react, that's the end stain.
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that allows you to be in more safety and in
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less fight or flight. We call that deep healing, and
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self help processes help, but they don't help by themselves.
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allow you to get into deep healing. So the learning
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processes on the skills, not on the pains, on the
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skills about how do I process adversity and how do
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I nurture joy? The two separate skill sets. They're linked,
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but they're separate. You can't really nurture joy if you're
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in fight or flight. You have to let the fight
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or flight do his thing. You do your thing over
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here with the conscious brain. It's a dynamic process occurs
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every day all day long, back and forth. So Deb
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in her own way, has learned how to do this
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and she has thrived at a really nice level. Right
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I would say I'm one of the most resilient people
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Right, So, right, and let me ask you a question.
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months ago. So somehow people feel that they should be
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fore your pain, that they should not be in pain, right.
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Right, Okay, there's the first mistake, right, because it's a
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thinking error, right right, Because if we think anything, if
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we think should, it automatically is going to either if
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we're shoulding someone else, we're going to be disappointed, angry
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or hurt by what they're shoulding to do and they
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didn't do it. If we should ourselves, we feel guilt
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and depression. So that's that's our that's the basis of
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cognitive berial therapy. Is is our thinking. So we you know,
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there's some language around that that can help. But that
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was that's the first mistake. Is when we start, we
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should be out of pain. Right, we're already inflaming ourselves.
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out of pain if you are dead, not alive. I mean,
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your body is designed to look for danger pain, just
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as danger and danger exists every day all around us,
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both mental and physical. By the way, mental pain is
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processed in a similar manner to physical pain, and it hurts.
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always going to be unpleasant. That's not the goal here.
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being and pain, that's when your nervous system really fires up.
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podcast about affirmations, which by themselves are sort of deadly,
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but we came up with a different set of concepts
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which we don't have a word for yet. You want
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if we just say I'm okay, but that's that's not helpful,
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and you and you were explaining why that's not helpful,
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are used in a way to help me go down
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the rabbit hole into positivity. So, for example, if I'm
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feeling attacked, I would use language in my head. I
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don't even say it out loud. I just think I'm
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surrounded by people who love and support me, and that
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rabbit hole looks like I'm thinking about my grandchildren, I'm
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thinking about the people I care about. I'm thinking about
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who I might call that could give me some words
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of encouragement, and that leads me into that direction of positivity,
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which is anti inflammatory.
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Right, because the other choices is to complain. And let's
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talk about that just for a second, because I want
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to get to your rapid transformational therapy pretty quickly. But
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one of the cardinal rules that we learned at OMEGA,
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and it was just evolving when you were there the
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first year or the second year, but one of the
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absolutes that we have found out as far as healing
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from chronic pain is never discussing your pain, no discussion
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your medical care, no complaining, no negativity, no giving unasked
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for advice, no criticism. Because we do that a lot
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as human beings. We judge, we complain, we go into
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the victim role. And so until you can actually just
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flat out stop the negative conversation, you just cannot heal
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because that input changes your body's chemistry to fight or flight.
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about the neuro linguistic programming, about how as you change
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your language actually changing your physiology.
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Oswald who wrote a book Every Word Has Power, okay,
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and I went to a nine day training with her okay,
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which is basically how language hits your nervous system.
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big problem, they automatically feel it in their chest. You know,
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they catch a breath, right, and that inflames the nervous system.
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good changes here that can make things easier, well, there's
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no physical action to that. So I have learned over
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time and through that process. We actually spent nine days.
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language and we call it was called the switch game,
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and it's in her book it's just the switch game.
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just really tired, I would say switch and then you
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higher energy. And we know it's higher energy because if
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stories come up. That's not the high energy. If something
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positive comes up, you know you're right on track. So
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you might say instead, you know, I'm not having much
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a good night's sleep, right, And those are both positive
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language that might be considered less than positive. It might
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cause me to get muscle tension, or it might cause
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my stomach to get upset, or my heart to be
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faster right so, and and with all of that, or
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to release cord of the adrenaline, a stress hormone. Right So,
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language actually helped is one of my tools. It's one
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of my major tools. And changing my thought processing is
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something I just do naturally now, like it just happens.
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my my brain immediately says to myself, I'm healthy and
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full of energy. Just a reminder that positive way of
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you've actually compromised your main system is so backwards, right,
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it's all backwards. So but yeah, So the emphasis is
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on the tools and a positive vision. And one of
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my more major mentors is pointed out there, we're mostly
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programmed by negativity. We have lots of things we should
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shouldn't be. We're programmed by who everyone else thinks we
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should be. So who are we? I mean, who are we? Actually?
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a program that you can't change. You cannot change it,
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which you can separate from it and actually program in
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whoever you want going forward. So when we talk about
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positive affirmations, that's one thing to reassure yourself that you're okay,
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because you really reinforce the fact that I'm not okay,
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but really having a positive vision and sticking with it
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and I conviousedly do this. I can achieve this. I
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can do this. I'm surrounded by family of friends. That's
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a different energy than just constantly reassuring yourself. So ongoing
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to reassurance is a huge problem. Creating a vision and
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reinforcing that vision is a huge factor in achieving at
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number one, but also major factor in your body's chemistry.
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excited about that, so I will talk about that. So
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a podcast and they were talking about how she had
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healed herself from cancer and she had this method called
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direct instruct command, compel and code body back to help.
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little bit more slow?
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talk faster, so it's instruct, command, compel, and code, and
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so amazing in order to heal ourselves, right like. And
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consecutively for years, finding huge major changes. So one of
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the biggest changes I've seen is with a gentleman that
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taking a medication that started with that tart of dyskinesia,
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the movements, the hand movements, and then it got worse
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shocks going through his body and he was having up
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to ten fifteen an hour. So this is twenty sixteen.
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guided imagery, and the whole process is guided imagery into
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understanding why and how I came to be this way,
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of having this problem, and then then it's interrupting it.
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at the events that led up to it, which was
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a medication change. It also took him back to another
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situation with his dad. His dad had a neurological disorder,
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so he had a memory around that, so we addressed that. Okay,
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after one session.
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Can you what tools are those?
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Is it RGT, RTT Rapid transformational therapy okay, And specifically
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one piece of it is called command cell therapy, where
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we actually talked to the brain the mind and ask
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it to go back to its original imprint and go
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back to that part of itself that knows how to
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heal and what we need to be doing. And in
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the process that we're now three weeks though he is
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reporting zero outbursts. He had ten shots an hour. He
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has had no shots. He is reporting that he's social again.
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our brother and friend back. And he has very minimal
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tremors compared to tremors and shakes that would literally reel
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him back and I would hear his next snap and
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he would be in this pain. And he has the
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grimacing has almost completely stopped. He can actually feel it
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coming on and relax his face. So he has none
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of the pain issues related to what he was going through.
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and happy for him that that has happened. And so
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I've been using it for a lot of a lot
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of things physical and emotional. Another client has a tumor
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that is causing them to wake up in the night
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and chronic pain, you know, and pain different positions would
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cause the pain. We did this two weeks ago today,
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and I spoke with her this morning and she's sleeping
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through the night. The pain isn't completely gone, it's not
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waking her up at night, and she had not slept
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through the night since January, and so she's just totally
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amazed and she's kind of excited to see what's going
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to happen. When she actually gets her next scan on
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the tumor itself, because she is finding that she's feeling better.
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So let me back up just for a second. So
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did you state those words again that this process consists.
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Of Yeah, So what it is is it's hypnosis, okay,
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which I also I.
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Do want to say one thing by hypnosis because I
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didn't find out in Seattle that medic hypnosis is very powerful.
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People who hear the word that hypnosis and just shut down.
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So correct me if I'm wrong. It's surely a very
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deep guided imagy relaxation.
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That's exactly what it is, right, and I and I
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have friends and family who would be concerned about that
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from a spiritual basis, right, And then that and it's
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easily easily adaptable to just relax right, right, we're just relaxing.
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get into a relaxed state of mind, you can access
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part of your brain that you don't access when you're overthinking.
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You can I dump the physiology in here for a second.
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I'd love it.
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limbic brain or the fear brain, and you actually cannot
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you actually cannot think clearly. Performance goes down, Athletic performance
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goes down, students scores go down, and anxiety goes up.
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the brain, including the blood flow, so you cannot access it.
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your brain back online.
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That fair statement, that's crazy, Yeah, that's exactly it. And
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then what happens is the next part of it is
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guided imagery into the root caused, the reason, the why
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this showed up in my life in the first place.
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guide you back to three scenes that all have to
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do with the cause of your issue. So whether your
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issue is anxiety or worse sadness or grief and loss
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or performance. Like I worked with someone the other day
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who just had a fear of putting herself out there.
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and she had a fear of putting herself out there
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because what it came down to was a fear of rejection,
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and all three of her scenes were about events where
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she felt rejected. One of them went all the way
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back to being born, knowing that her father didn't want
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to have a child. And did she know that consciously? Yes,
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did she know that that was what was feeding her fear. Now,
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when she did this process, she found out the why,
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interrupt it, to break it up. Right, So we might say,
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for example, that's not me because my father loves me.
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Now I see it every day, right, that's not me
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because he shows up for me.
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because you had talked about that how we get programmed
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to survive. We see threats everywhere, and so we don't
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always understand or know what programming has gone in because
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sometimes it's very subtle. Like I think I shared with
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you one time, David, that I thought I was supposed
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to like everybody, right, and so if I think I'm
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supposed to like everybody, what that did was it turned
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me into a people pleaser, a bit of a chameleon,
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afraid to share my opinions and thoughts. Now, this was
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many years ago, and then through a process of learning
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the why was I'm supposed to like everybody? I had
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a very clear memory of my mom telling me with
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her finger wagging, don't talk about your friends that way
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because you need to like everybody. Wow and so and
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so that belief went into my system and then not
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knowing it was there, I just acted on it. And
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then of course that's not always true, because some people
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are not safe for you, are not good for you, right,
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discerning in the relationships that I had once I had
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that figured out. So that's what our TT does does.
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It helps you figure out how long is this session?
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and then and then it's amazingly done like uh, and
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it may take one to three sessions because sometimes there's
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more than one part of the experience that is troubling.
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like you know, going to the ocean, right, you might
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be able to work on that clear that up. And
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I always say, if you work on something and you
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get it cleared, it doesn't make you become the fool.
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You're not going to go jump off the deep end
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of the diving board into the deep end of the pool.
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be able to walk around the pool without fear of
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falling in. And so you might work on that issue
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and they're great around the pool, they're great around the ocean,
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but they get near a river where it's muddy and dirty.
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like that, you might have to hit the one or
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two reveins of what else might.
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Be going on. So are you still doing your other
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bouncing practice or it's just what you're doing moving into
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full time? I am.
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I'm finishing up with my other practice. I'm working towards
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like I think I told you, I have clients that
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I've done one or two sessions of RTT that I've
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been working with for a long time, and it's clearing
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it and so suddenly they're canceling their appointments because they're
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feeling so good they're not needing it nice And so
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that's my goal is to the practice that I have,
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help everybody get to where they need to be, and
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then move forward doing this as my clinical practice. I'll
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still run my agency there's lots of other things to
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do in it, right, but my therapy is going.
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To be this and this is this is premach over zoom.
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Correct, it's over zoom or in person if you're you know,
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if you're in the area, or if you want to
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fly me anywhere, I'll be I'll come.
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But you live in nowhere, nobody's around you. Where do
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you live? I do live in rural Maine, right, howp
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is your town?
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Eight thousand?
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Okay, So anyway, it's a way. It's almost to the
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Canadian border.
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Right, I'm right on the Yeah, there's one town over
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and we're in Canada, right. I can get to Canada
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in twenty minutes, so you are north.
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So well, dev thank you very much. I know from
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the last podcast that you don't have a website yet,
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but you gave out your phone number and your email.
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If you could give that out again, we'll put it
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on the show notes.
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Absolutely. It's two zero seven six one three six six
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zero five and the email is d Gray d g
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R A y at life by Design he is, and
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Peter as an Apple got net.
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All right, Well again, thank you. I know we just
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touched the tip of the iceberg today. But in general,
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Dep's come through quite a journey. She's developed a very
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fine home set of skills as far as dealing with adversity.
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She also knows how to enjoy yourself, which are the
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two basic parts of healing. And so deb thank you
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very much for being on the show.
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Oh, thank you, David. This has been a real pleasure
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and it's always a joy to see you, and I
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wish you luck in all the work that you're doing,
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because you really are making a difference. She made a
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difference in my life, and I know you're making a
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difference in the world. So I appreciate you so much.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to thank our guests dev Gray for being
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on the show today and explaining the principles and techniques
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of rapid transformational therapy and how they contribute to the
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healing process. I'm your host, Tom Masters, reminding you to
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be back next week for another episode of Back in
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Control Radio with doctor David Hanscombe, and in the meantime,
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be sure to visit the website at www dot backincontrol
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dot com.
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