Leadership, Laughter, and Unlocking Potential with Allan Moore

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Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, a
place where we have conscious conversations
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about things that really matter in our lives.
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And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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Hi everyone, it's Roxanne Durhoch.
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Thanks for tuning in again this week with
Authentic Living with Roxanne.
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Today I have a colleague, Alan Moore, who has
spent a lot of time in different parts of the
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world.
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And Alan, thanks for coming in again.
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We had a little bit of a faux pas, but we'll
get into that, where Alan actually recorded and
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we lost the recording and now we're here again.
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So thanks for taking the time again.
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Oh, my pleasure, Roxanne.
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I enjoyed it so much the first time.
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I'm happy to come back and
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do decided to spend some time together.
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The universe helped us.
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Perfect.
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So I can tell you a little bit about Alan,
we're going to just jump into what he's doing
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out there in the world of leadership and
speaking.
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He's traveled over 50 countries and he's
culturally fluent.
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He also is a stand up comic, which we were just
chitchatting a little bit about.
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And he has a master's degree in leadership and
has been in leadership for basically dealing
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experience in environment and health and
safety, which is so important today, has been
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always for about twenty years.
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He speaks Mandarin and he's basically worked in
Taiwan, China, obviously Canada and The US.
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He has a new book coming out, which is called
Party Crash Your Career and Be Bold, Risk
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Safely, and Succeed Without an Invitation.
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So, Alan, thanks for spending the time with us
again today.
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My pleasure.
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So tell us about what you do out there in
leadership and kind of what got you into the
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like we were talking just before we got online
and you just recently done a couple of keynotes
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in The US and what kind of got you from health
and safety, which is, and kind of living all
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different parts of the world to what you're
doing today?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I, with the leadership question, I was kind of
a reluctant leader.
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Different companies that I worked for,
different sports teams that I played for would
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just bestow this upon me.
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And sometimes it was some attribute that I
demonstrated.
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And sometimes I think it was actually just kind
of what Woody Allen says, nine tenths of
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success is just showing up.
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And especially with showing up with wrinkles,
people think that you know what's going on.
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So I eventually decided I'm going to legitimize
this and go do a master's in leadership.
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With regards to the safety thing, I'm still in
the safety space.
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And I just found after years of being a safety
practitioner and being in leadership positions
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that the two are merged.
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They're very compatible with each other.
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And so I decided to create a keynote, a number
of keynote presentations that are safety
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leadership based.
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And that's kind of how I've come about that.
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So tell us about the Mandarin, because I know
last time I was very intrigued that you spoke
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Mandarin.
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And do you at times bring that into the space
on stage using different languages?
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I know Alan just shared that he, because of the
comedic background, I can tell you as a keynote
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speaker, you're always looking for those
elements within your speech to pepper it in,
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not to become a comedian, but to be able to do
regardless of what you're talking about.
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And of course, with safety, I mean, those can
be some tough with compliance and all those
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things, those can be tough conversations.
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But to be able to sprinkle in those elements of
levity is really what I think captivates,
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holds, teaches and delivers, I would say.
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So tell us a little bit about what you do on
stage with some of the personas and also a bit
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about your background speaking Mandarin.
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Well, the Mandarin makes its way into one my
speeches, but obviously I'm speaking mostly to
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English speaking audiences.
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There was a client right when COVID hit
actually, I got offered three consecutive gigs
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in China, One in Beijing, Two in Beijing and
one in Xi'an.
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And of course COVID just completely shut that
down.
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So, was going to deliver those in Mandarin.
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So, that was pretty exciting.
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But those drifted off and they haven't quite
migrated back in yet.
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But really, Mandarin is not a huge part of what
I do on stage, but the comedy is.
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Obviously, like you said, I like the way you
put it where you talk about sprinkling it in.
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We need to talk like when I'm talking about
safety leadership or sometimes I'm just doing a
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leadership speech.
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So I do both.
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You're really trying to talk about the nuts and
bolts, the mechanism, the gears of how that
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should work in a workplace setting.
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I'm really trying to be kind of serious and
talking about that in a serious way.
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But of course, an audience is just so much more
engaged if they get an opportunity to laugh,
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they get an opportunity for levity, as you
mentioned.
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They just brighten up and I can just tell right
across the room those faces that were kind of
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like at the beginning, maybe I'm the closing
keynote.
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It's been a long day of compliance.
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Maybe the Ministry of Minds or something has
come and spoke for an hour and a half and
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everyone's like, oh my goodness.
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And I've got to kind of bring a little bit of
excitement to kind of bring them out.
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So the storytelling, the comedy and people love
the accents, too.
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Do these.
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That was part of my comedic profile was the
accents.
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That's why I just pepper those in there where
they're needed.
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I don't go over the top, but where I feel
they're needed, just to bring people out a
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little more.
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Yeah.
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And ultimately, like to your point, like I
think of when I was in the employee assistance
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world, safety, obviously, you're sitting on
those boards with, you know, health and safety,
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occupational health and safety, labor
management.
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You know, oftentimes if you're in a
manufacturing environment, bad things happen,
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unfortunately, when accidents happen.
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So you're talking about significant accidents
that have happened and within forty eight hours
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having someone in and 72 doing a debriefing.
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It's really, really big stuff.
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So to your point, you want people there are
certain things you want people to walk away
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with.
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But in that you want them you know, I think
when we play or we laugh or get light, we take
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in that much more with messaging.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I fully agree.
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Yeah.
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So let's talk let's jump right into the book.
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Talk about that.
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And tell us about the concept of the book and
kind of what are you out there trying to
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achieve with the book in leadership?
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Mhmm.
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Well, basically, the book is part memoir, part
self help.
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And it's kind of tracking my journey along from
when I failed grade 12, which is pretty hard to
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fail, especially when you're taking all the
easiest courses.
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Was the school jock.
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I was the basketball player, the soccer player.
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I didn't care about school.
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And I ended up failing one of the easiest
courses that's available.
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So, to go from there to just consistently be
able to get into spaces where I would never be
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invited.
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Taiwan, going over there learning Mandarin.
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I was never invited to Taiwan.
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People always ask me this, Oh, did you work for
a kind of a Fortune 500 company and you showed
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you demonstrated some talent over here?
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Or they plucked you right out of a big
university and sent you over there?
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I was like, No, I just bought a plane ticket.
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I went over there.
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I learned how to speak Mandarin on my own dime.
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And I just managed to party crash.
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Eventually, I came up with the metaphor of
party crash.
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Now, I don't try to sneak past bouncers and
actually party crash or wedding crash or
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anything like that.
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It's purely a metaphor.
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But I noticed as I was working with my book
writing consultant, we were trying to come up
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with a concept.
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He kept asking me questions about the different
stories.
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And he said, oh, so you went and played semi
pro soccer in Scotland.
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You must have been invited to that.
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They must have scouts must have flown over.
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No, I just saw a cheap ticket to Scotland,
Three Ninety Nine to Glasgow returned.
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I and I went there and I knocked on some doors
and I sat in a pub and I said, do you know
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anybody who knows a guy who knows a guy?
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And I just kind of party crashed.
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And he eventually, he was like, I came up with
the metaphor party crash.
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He goes, that's it.
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You've never been invited to anything.
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Life as a grade 12 failure.
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I eventually went back and I graduated.
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Don't worry.
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No invites were going to be extended to me in
life at all from anywhere.
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Not from trades, from universities, not from
industry, nowhere.
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So I had to party crash.
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What I learned from it is that pretty much
everybody, no matter what stage you are in your
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career, you have the opportunity to risk
safely.
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Now I'm not talking about these massive risks
where you go and buy a plane ticket to to try
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and do your thing.
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If you have no kids, like I had no kids at the
time, go ahead.
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But now I have kids and there's been times in
my career where it's kind of gone stagnant.
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And I'm thinking, Okay, what do I got to do?
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I got to do something.
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Something's got to happen.
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Either a vertical move or a lateral move.
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Something has to break the ice here.
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And that's when I kind of came up with, I'm now
risking safely.
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And even Scotland was risking safely.
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I had saved up all kinds of money.
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I'd worked on the oil rigs at that time.
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Before then, I'd saved up all kinds of money.
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And a $399 to Glasgow, whether I fail and I
spend two months there, I get to see a couple
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of cool castles, I come back, it's fine.
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So, everything I've done, people go, Woah, you
must be really risk averse.
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Woah, you get up on stage and speak.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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I'm terrified to speak.
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I was terrified to go over to Scotland.
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I don't want to make a fool of myself.
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But the thing that gets me is like Les Browns.
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When he talks about the ghosts that are around
your bed, your deathbed, saying to you, I came
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to you in life.
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I told you what to do and you ignored me.
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And now here you are on your deathbed.
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So for me, it's those two opposing things.
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Whenever I feel too much fear over here, I
think about what Les Brown said and I say, I
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have to do it.
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And that's what it's about.
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And it's really about risking.
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And I think a lot for different reasons, like
you said.
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Like, I probably took a different route than
you, right?
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Like, I did everything early.
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But I wasn't the you know, I think of the I
went to already academically inclined school.
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I had to do well, but then I coasted, right?
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Like, I was a teenager.
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And I'll never forget this, and I remember this
is embarrassing, but I might as well tell you
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because this is in alignment with what you're
talking about.
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Every year, our report cards was a book and it
would be handwritten, I'm dating myself, and it
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would be sent to the house.
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Now there was six of us, right?
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Six children.
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They were all coming from different schools.
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Older sister and I were in the same school, but
we would retrieve it from the postman you know,
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and then hide it sometimes because we thought
if we got it too early, that would impact,
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well, quote unquote, our summer in Trinidad to
be summer holidays anyway.
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And I remember that was a big thing for us.
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This is funny because my siblings would laugh
about it, right?
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And sometimes you're like, Oh, this is good.
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I should tell my parents I might have a better
summer.
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But I remember in Trinidad, it's GCEs, which is
British from London.
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And we wrote exams and you did the formal
exams, right?
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And we do a mock exam before we do the actual
exam, right?
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Which is like the real thing.
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And I remember I did my mock exams and I think
I did okay, nothing great.
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And my principal and any of the girls listening
to this that know me would giggle, she wrote in
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my book to my parents.
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She said, Mr.
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And Mrs.
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Ramatah, I suggest you take all that money that
you're going to spend on Roxanne and for the
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world.
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That was written in my book, honestly, Ellen.
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And I'm like, I'm now 16 years old, right?
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And I remember that burned in my head, right?
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So, you know, of course, I'm 21 years old with
my first degree and I see her.
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I see the principal in Toronto.
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And I make a point.
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Now we're petrified of her as teenage girls,
right?
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Because she was so strict.
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And she woke me up.
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She basically said, You you're coming from a
privileged family, basically.
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I think inadvertently as an adult now.
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And I made sure I went and I caught up with her
and I said, By the way, I'm Roxanne Rauwouta,
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and she just looked at me and she nodded in
that notchalong way.
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I go, I just wanted to let you know I got my
degree.
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She goes, Lovely.
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But it's so interesting, like some of these
little stories, right?
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Because I'm not that was harsh in retrospect,
but I really, as a 16 year old, that I had
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acumen, it woke me up.
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Right?
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Like I really, really challenged myself, like
you, in different ways.
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Like you said, you kind of realized coming out
of grade 12, like, I got to do something here.
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And with her little tap to be, here I was 21
years old with my degree in a different
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country, all that stuff, doing what I wanted to
do anyway.
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So sometimes those little taps, to your point,
gives you the opportunity to make changes.
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Do you find that when you're talking to people
like that and, you know, you're talking about
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the ghosts kind of around your bed or my story
even or even yours, that a lot of people come
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up to you after and say, Oh my goodness, Alan,
I so could see myself in that story?
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Absolutely.
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So almost everybody has this type of story.
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There's very few LeBron James's.
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There's very few Adell's, Madonna's, whoever
Oprah's.
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Well, actually even Oprah.
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No, Oprah had to party crash too.
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She's not the great example.
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There's so few of these people that are just
where the beam of light shines down.
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By the time they're 12 years old, we all nod
and go, yeah, this one.
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There's so few of those.
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They're less than 0.0001.
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So the rest of us kind of have to party crash.
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And one of the things is that you're taking
that initiative yourself and in your story,
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that person, that principle that came up to
you, they actually become an ally.
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They're a little bit of a gatekeeper to
somewhat.
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And when you can impress upon them by kind of
showing the world by getting off out in front
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of Netflix, off your couch and out there into
the world to be seen by somebody like that,
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they become your ally.
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Sometimes, if you're lucky, they become a
mentor.
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But even if it's a one day thing, like in your
case, they can say, no, not that path, that
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path.
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And somebody of that, like that's a subject
matter expert, right?
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Believing, seeing something in you and
believing in you and pushing on the path.
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So really, a party crasher, you have to get
out, be seen and kind of put yourself in front
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of the Simon Cowells of the world, so to speak,
because they'll say nah, or yeah, or over
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there.
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And I think a lot of times, like you think of
where we are in the world right now with all
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the fear and everything, right?
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It's real.
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It's real.
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But that could be debilitating if you think
about it, right?
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If you think of the new generation coming in
now to the workforce, I forget how old your
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children are, but my son is 23.
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And you'll hear the kids around that age
saying, You guys had it so good.
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I don't know if you've heard that, Right?
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You got out of school.
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You know, you got jobs.
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You know, you have people that go on.
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They worked for companies for thirty, thirty
five years.
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They come home with pensions.
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We don't have those opportunities.
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So that whole concept of party crashing, I
think, makes people think it through.
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Because really, I think we're in a phenomenal
time.
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Yes, we have a lot of geopolitical things
moving around.
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Yes, I'm not negating that.
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But that whole concept of that you gotta kind
of, I don't say you gotta step off the
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sidewalk.
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You might get smacked.
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Who hasn't been smacked?
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But you gotta get up again and dust off and
kind of start going.
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But when you're talking to the, when you're in
there or out there speaking, coaching, or in
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the different conversations that you're having
and you're speaking to a younger person, how
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might you deliver this concept in a way that
makes them think through things a bit
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differently?
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Yeah.
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Great.
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Great question.
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I have two teenage daughters.
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One's 18, one's turning 16 in July.
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And so, they're going through this kind of
process right now.
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And the one thing that I tell them is, don't
worry.
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There are so few party crashers out there that
they've allowed this avenue for you to be the
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one.
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And generation by generation, and I don't like
judging generations, I'm not really into it,
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but there are certain things that kind of there
are certain threads and themes and themes.
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And one that I found with party crashing is in
my generation Gen X, there was very fewer and
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fewer party crashes.
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Boomers, baby boomers, tons of party crashes.
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People like yourself coming over to a different
country being like, Okay, I got to figure this
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out.
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And you have no choice but to figure it out.
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And so you have to party crash.
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But I tell young people, I'm like, you got an
amazing opportunity as everybody's looking for,
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you know, this is kind of a work life balance
and I want a beanbag chair or I want a
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treadmill at my workstation or whatever it is
thereafter.
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You have this opportunity to be the one and
only party crasher or only a handful of party
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crashers.
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If you execute on this plan, you really don't
have anybody standing in your way.
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For example, I played university soccer here in
Canada and I was probably the fourth best on my
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team, maybe fifth.
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And I was like, well, nobody else on my team
went to Scotland.
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If they had of, and if every other university
team went to Scotland or England or Germany or
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whatever, then there wouldn't be an opportunity
for me.
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Big thanks to all the people who are more
talented and more intelligent than me, there
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are so many, for not actually pushing the
envelope and party crashing, thanks to them.
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No, because
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it's all But that was like, I call it feeling
up in a way, right?
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I would say that academically, I was pretty
smart.
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But some of the girls that I went to school,
one's a pediatric surgeon, the other one's a
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judge.
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And this is me.
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I'm like, well, I'm not going go into medical.
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I don't think I want to be a lawyer.
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I don't want to become a nurse or an engineer.
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What do you do?
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Right?
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There's me, and then I found my path.
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I want talk to people and help people.
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I wonder if they have a degree in something
like that.
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You know, and back then, and I'm talking back
in my first degree was 1987.
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That was like a concept, especially in The
Caribbean too.
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Not that people don't speak, but it wasn't as
open as North America or Europe, those types of
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things.
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And then I just stumbled forge, to your point.
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I was like, Okay, well, I'll see what's
available out there.
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And then I go to school, go to U of T, get a
psychology degree, and then went on further.
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But you're right, because at first I'm like,
don't fit.
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Where do I fit academically?
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Because this was so academically streamed.
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But then realize now, all these years later,
that there is a path for each one of us, but
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it's like being brave enough to say, I wonder
if I can.
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And worst case scenario, you find out there's
nothing there for me and you deviate and go to
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a different path, right?
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And that's another thing I tell my kids, like
my daughter, I'm very proud of her decision.
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She's decided to go into the electrical program
at the Southern Alberta Institute of
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Technology.
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A great school, great program.
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But I told her, said, that might not be for
you.
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Especially when you get out there on a
residential site that's half built, you're
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pulling wire and minus 40.
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You might find that's not for you, right?
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Yeah.
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You know, I worked in minus 40 on the oil rigs
and I was like, this isn't for me.
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I did one winter and then I moved on.
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Tell young people, I say, I was 43 when I found
out for sure what I wanted to do.
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And that was being a keynote speaker.
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Forty three.
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And I went and I tried all kinds of different
things.
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Trial and error, trial and error.
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And some people get lucky.
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My wife, she knew she was a teacher by the time
she was 15.
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She got out of school, did her four years,
boom, into teaching.
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And she's the most marvelous teacher ever.
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So, knows.
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Lucky her.
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But for the rest of us, you just have to keep
crashing in.
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And with each crash, it's not a waste of time.
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There's this kind of sunk cost fallacy that
goes on in our heads.
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I spent four years at this degree.
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I did a Bachelor of Science.
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So I got to go in the science stream.
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Not necessarily.
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That science that you built things while you
were doing that.
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You built time management skills and the
ability to do things that you weren't
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comfortable with and to talk to a professor
into maybe getting a retake on a test.
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Whatever you did, you can apply that to the
next one.
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And you go and crash there.
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It's not the right one.
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You go and crash there.
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You're building.
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These are little building blocks.
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And by the time I was ready to get on stage, I
had all these building blocks, all these
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stories that I could fall back on.
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So, it really is a journey.
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And I think it's listening.
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I often, with my son's name is RJ, I'll say RJ,
this is when we talk now, right?
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Because I'm steeped in my career and started
the cycle and I was lucky to be able to have
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found something.
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So in my 20s, was in frontline trauma with the
police.
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And then I went along, then went into
corporate, loved speaking and training
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corporately, then went on and flipped over.
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But of course, the speaking business with
keynotes and stuff, that's a whole other
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iteration from corporate.
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He said, Mom, how did you end up there?
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I say to young people or to him when he will
allow me to have a perspective, I say, Follow
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the pebbles in the road, I said, Because I can
tell you all the things I've tried and I can
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tell you what I didn't like.
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And what all it allowed me to do was to say, So
I didn't I taught grad school.
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I liked it?
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Yeah, not so much.
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But when I did corporate teaching, I loved,
loved it, right?
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Because there were experiential teaching, those
types of things.
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So I said, when you're starting off, like to
your point with your daughter, just go out and
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try it.
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What's the worst that can happen?
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You're gonna go, dad was right.
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Maybe I should have thought about the
temperature a bit, but she's gonna learn how to
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work in that environment.
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It's going to be a lot of male dominated kind
of environment if she's going into that.
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She's going get skills from being around that
environment to what it means to be a female in
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those environments.
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She's going to learn lots of different skills
to be able to function I'd probably apply that
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and go somewhere else, or you never know, she'd
be staying in it.
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But I always say it's we don't know when we're
21, right?
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Like, do you know?
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You think you know, right?
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And now you look back and you go, boy, I
thought I had everything figured out.
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And now at this point, I realize to your point
about party crashing, it's really about like
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you're like testing things to see, okay, this
is good, this is not good, oh my goodness,
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never again, Or I want a whole lot more of
this.
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So I wonder with this concept, Alan, and I love
the concept, if we think about different
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environments, like corporate environments and
things like that, how do you or do you, or
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maybe something that you're thinking about
doing, give this concept to leaders.
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Because I think if, as a leader, right, if
you're leading teams or business units or
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whatever, you're trying to bring out this out
of everybody around you.
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Right?
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You're wanting them to tinker, to play, to make
mistakes.
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So how do you kind of teach those concepts in
leadership?
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Because I think that would be a fascinating
approach on how you bring that out in others.
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Yeah, that's a great question.
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And I think that a lot of leaders, modern
leaders, they think they want this.
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They think that they want somebody who's just
entered their organization to be innovative and
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to bring their talents to the forefront.
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And I think they think they want that because
they've probably been to that Cirque du Soleil,
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the former president of Cirque du Soleil, where
they talked about how they set up their shows.
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I don't know if you've ever have you seen one
of their shows?
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Oh, I've been to several.
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I love
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them.
457
00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:17,740
Marvelous.
458
00:24:20,355 --> 00:24:20,914
Sometimes.
459
00:24:20,914 --> 00:24:21,234
Yes.
460
00:24:21,234 --> 00:24:26,434
Apparently I went to, you know, when a speech
that was the former director, I can't remember,
461
00:24:26,835 --> 00:24:31,554
Cirque du Soleil was going around the circuit
doing the speaking business and said that she
462
00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:33,714
interviews people and says, what can you do?
463
00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:37,090
And the person comes in and say, I'm a
contortionist.
464
00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:41,170
The other person comes in, they say, I'm on a
motorcycle with no hands juggling chainsaws.
465
00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:41,809
That's what I do.
466
00:24:41,809 --> 00:24:43,970
Then they try to, they're like, that's so cool.
467
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:45,250
It has to be in our show.
468
00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:49,744
And they try to build this weird story around
all of these interesting people.
469
00:24:49,744 --> 00:24:52,944
The person on the ribbon who's upside down
spinning around.
470
00:24:52,944 --> 00:24:55,424
And they just that's why the story is a little
bit odd.
471
00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:59,105
And her point was your organization should
function like this.
472
00:24:59,105 --> 00:25:02,224
When a person comes into your organization, you
say, who are you?
473
00:25:02,509 --> 00:25:03,869
What's your special gift?
474
00:25:03,869 --> 00:25:05,390
Are you a keynote speaker?
475
00:25:05,869 --> 00:25:08,750
My company, I've been with the same company for
sixteen years.
476
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:13,470
They didn't know that I was a keynote type
speaker or even a speaker of any description
477
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:17,884
until I did it as a side gig and started my
business, which they approved of.
478
00:25:17,884 --> 00:25:20,124
And they're like, wow, oh, I didn't know you
could do that.
479
00:25:20,204 --> 00:25:26,764
So, it's about I think that leaders, challenge
to leaders is not only saying that you want
480
00:25:26,764 --> 00:25:30,769
that, but saying that you need that from your
employees.
481
00:25:31,089 --> 00:25:35,890
Going in there, I mean, you've been hired to do
this one thing to, I don't know, sample the
482
00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:37,809
soil in Fort McMurray.
483
00:25:37,809 --> 00:25:40,450
That's your thing and I need you to do that
thing.
484
00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:42,984
And do it forever or something.
485
00:25:42,984 --> 00:25:45,384
Or if you show leadership, maybe we'll put you
in leadership.
486
00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:53,224
But it's this thin column and that person
actually might have this incredibly broad skill
487
00:25:53,224 --> 00:25:54,345
set that you wouldn't know about.
488
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,700
And that might be super applicable to your
company.
489
00:25:57,700 --> 00:25:59,220
I mean, maybe they should be in sales.
490
00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:01,299
Maybe they're completely in the wrong thing.
491
00:26:01,299 --> 00:26:02,660
Business development.
492
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:04,660
Or maybe they're meant for HR.
493
00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:06,340
Maybe like, what are you doing out there?
494
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:07,700
Sampling the soil.
495
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:08,500
You're a people person.
496
00:26:08,524 --> 00:26:11,644
Everyone loves you and you understand people
and you're a listener.
497
00:26:11,644 --> 00:26:12,684
You're in HR.
498
00:26:13,164 --> 00:26:13,964
You know what I mean?
499
00:26:13,964 --> 00:26:18,684
And I think leaders want to be that person who
they think they want that.
500
00:26:18,684 --> 00:26:21,404
But I don't think they actually execute in that
way.
501
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,599
If that makes sense.
502
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:23,640
Kind of scary though, right?
503
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,079
Because you may have such we want diversity
because we know diversity of thought brings
504
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:30,440
innovation, right?
505
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,679
But sometimes you're like, woah, Alan's so
different, right?
506
00:26:34,679 --> 00:26:40,795
I think the more you get to know someone, I
talk a lot about authenticity, but once you
507
00:26:40,795 --> 00:26:45,994
drill down, like I think of your story compared
to mine, grew up in Trinidad And Tobago in a
508
00:26:45,994 --> 00:26:50,714
rural village, went to, like I said, an all
girl high school, played the steel pan, toured
509
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,460
Canada at age 13.
510
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:52,940
Right?
511
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:54,299
All these things.
512
00:26:54,299 --> 00:26:58,619
And then when you kind of drill down and find
out who people really are, which is what I
513
00:26:58,619 --> 00:27:03,580
think I hear you saying, they might be the
person that's testing the soil up there, but
514
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:10,565
they have an identity and a thought map or
values and beliefs, and you brought them onto
515
00:27:10,565 --> 00:27:11,285
the company.
516
00:27:11,285 --> 00:27:16,404
If you could drill into that depth and breadth
of who that person is, like with Cirque, like
517
00:27:16,404 --> 00:27:21,420
when you look at it, I sit there and go, the
brain of the person that came up with these
518
00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:23,339
concepts blows my mind.
519
00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:28,460
But if that's what they're drilling into, if
other leadership environments come up with
520
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:29,740
that, what could they achieve?
521
00:27:30,855 --> 00:27:31,494
Could be fantastic.
522
00:27:31,494 --> 00:27:31,894
Right?
523
00:27:32,454 --> 00:27:32,615
Yeah.
524
00:27:32,615 --> 00:27:38,855
And wonderful for their organizational their
organization and wonderful for the people.
525
00:27:38,855 --> 00:27:42,054
The people to say like, yeah, I'm gonna be I'm
gonna party crash this thing.
526
00:27:42,054 --> 00:27:43,575
I'm gonna try and figure out a way.
527
00:27:43,654 --> 00:27:47,650
Because sometimes an introverted person, how
are you going to know that they're meant to
528
00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:48,529
speak on stage?
529
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:53,089
How are you going to know that they're meant to
be in business development or whatever facet or
530
00:27:53,089 --> 00:27:54,849
even be a leader for that matter?
531
00:27:54,849 --> 00:27:56,049
You might not know.
532
00:27:56,049 --> 00:28:00,384
So it's kind of empowering the leaders to look
at their people that way.
533
00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:04,865
Their year end fireside chat, professional
development review, whatever you want to call
534
00:28:04,865 --> 00:28:09,970
it, is geared towards that instead of being
geared towards what went well, what didn't go
535
00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:10,210
well.
536
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:11,970
I mean, you both know what went well.
537
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:14,369
What are your three objectives for the next
fiscal year?
538
00:28:14,609 --> 00:28:15,089
Why
539
00:28:17,329 --> 00:28:18,529
do we keep doing this?
540
00:28:19,169 --> 00:28:19,889
Ridiculous.
541
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:21,250
It's so silly.
542
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:23,329
I've done about 16 of them now and this is
absurd.
543
00:28:23,644 --> 00:28:29,244
So, empowering the leaders, empowering them to
be party crashers to let them know that, hey,
544
00:28:29,244 --> 00:28:29,804
I'm here.
545
00:28:29,804 --> 00:28:31,404
We want people to be this way.
546
00:28:31,404 --> 00:28:35,484
Or even if be like an open I just think you
talk fireside chat.
547
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:41,489
If that concept of if I had nothing to lose and
I was in this psychologically safe environment,
548
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:46,369
in my position, how would I party crash?
549
00:28:46,609 --> 00:28:46,929
Right?
550
00:28:46,929 --> 00:28:49,809
Like, what could you pick out of someone's
mind?
551
00:28:50,049 --> 00:28:56,475
That could be completely absurd, but you could
probably get a lot of potentially amazing ideas
552
00:28:56,475 --> 00:29:01,595
that would come from people when they're just
like, oh, instead of having the annual
553
00:29:01,595 --> 00:29:06,235
Christmas thing, you have a safe kind of
environment where we're just going to play,
554
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:07,190
right?
555
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:11,990
Which I think of party crashing as almost like
playful thoughts, which playful thought brings
556
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:17,029
innovation, and that people would just bring
something that you would never think about.
557
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,029
And then what would that do to your competitor?
558
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:23,984
If you had that kind of environment, with that
openness of thought, you might probably usurp,
559
00:29:23,984 --> 00:29:25,984
you know, and speed ahead that much more.
560
00:29:26,865 --> 00:29:29,184
So Alan, tell us about the book.
561
00:29:29,265 --> 00:29:30,704
Tell us where it's at.
562
00:29:30,704 --> 00:29:34,785
I'm sure people are like, I'm going to start
party crashing, or I have been party crashing
563
00:29:34,785 --> 00:29:38,109
and I want to know where I sit on, you know,
where I fit in this book.
564
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:42,509
Tell everybody about the book, when it's
coming, where they can get it, all those types
565
00:29:42,509 --> 00:29:43,150
of things.
566
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:44,509
Yeah, you bet.
567
00:29:44,509 --> 00:29:47,390
I just went through the I'm going through
Friesen Press.
568
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:49,309
They're taking the book over the finish line.
569
00:29:49,309 --> 00:29:50,430
The manuscript is done.
570
00:29:50,794 --> 00:29:51,514
It's received
571
00:29:51,994 --> 00:29:56,154
the It's received the first evaluation from the
editor.
572
00:29:56,394 --> 00:30:00,075
And so now it's going into content edit and
then the artwork is being added.
573
00:30:00,075 --> 00:30:01,755
I'm going to add some photographs and stuff.
574
00:30:01,755 --> 00:30:05,789
It just kind of brightens up the stories and
things like I've got the cover done.
575
00:30:05,789 --> 00:30:08,429
So it's just about putting the finishing
touches on it.
576
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:12,029
And this process, I think, takes about two and
a half to three months.
577
00:30:12,029 --> 00:30:16,029
Hard to believe, but just to cross the T's and
dot the I's.
578
00:30:16,269 --> 00:30:23,085
And so I think this book should be by, yeah,
probably about June, this book should be
579
00:30:23,085 --> 00:30:23,884
available.
580
00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:29,484
And I believe we're going to probably have it
on Amazon, at least, if not Kindle possibly as
581
00:30:29,484 --> 00:30:29,805
well.
582
00:30:29,805 --> 00:30:32,045
And I'm going to do an audiobook.
583
00:30:32,009 --> 00:30:38,009
I wasn't going to at first, but enough people
have asked me for that and said, Hey, I don't
584
00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:38,650
do the reading.
585
00:30:38,650 --> 00:30:41,849
I have long distance trips every day, forty
five minutes into the city.
586
00:30:41,849 --> 00:30:44,009
Scotty, you got to have an audio book, I'm
going to do that too.
587
00:30:44,025 --> 00:30:44,984
Fantastic.
588
00:30:44,984 --> 00:30:50,505
Closer to when you get there, maybe you'd come
back and talk a little bit before it comes out.
589
00:30:50,825 --> 00:30:54,265
Obviously, other than that, you speak, you do
different things.
590
00:30:54,265 --> 00:30:58,750
So tell the other services that you offer and
where people get ahold of you there in the
591
00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,829
interim till the book launches.
592
00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:02,349
Absolutely.
593
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:08,990
So I've got a side business where I am a
keynote speaker and I usually a closing keynote
594
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:09,230
speaker.
595
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:10,829
I bring a lot of energy to the stage.
596
00:31:11,075 --> 00:31:15,394
If you've got one of those kind of conference
days that's been going on and on and on and on,
597
00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:22,275
I come in and I just bring the stories and the
humour, the accents and the kind of make you
598
00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:24,434
think, really make people think.
599
00:31:24,434 --> 00:31:26,035
And I also have the interaction too.
600
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:28,569
It's not just me as a talking head up there.
601
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:34,169
So if you're interested, AlanJamesMoore.com is
where you can have a look at all of my videos,
602
00:31:34,329 --> 00:31:38,649
my demo reel, information packages, brochures
about my different keynotes.
603
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:40,809
Or I love to chat.
604
00:31:40,809 --> 00:31:41,849
I love to go on LinkedIn.
605
00:31:42,355 --> 00:31:46,355
I always call it the adults table because no
one's throwing insults at each other.
606
00:31:46,355 --> 00:31:47,234
I can't take it.
607
00:31:48,034 --> 00:31:50,835
Silly Twitter or whatever, X or whatever.
608
00:31:50,835 --> 00:31:51,875
I can't take this nonsense.
609
00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:53,394
So I hang out on LinkedIn.
610
00:31:53,954 --> 00:31:55,154
And yeah, same thing.
611
00:31:55,154 --> 00:31:57,075
Alan James Moore, look for me there.
612
00:31:57,234 --> 00:31:57,794
Hit me up.
613
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,200
Start a conversation.
614
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,479
I love to chat about safety, leadership,
motivation, party crashing, whatever.
615
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,999
And voices.
616
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:07,119
And voices.
617
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:07,759
Yes,
618
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,839
I have voices in my head.
619
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,079
Alan, thanks so much for being here.
620
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,335
For everyone, thanks for hanging out again.
621
00:32:14,335 --> 00:32:15,454
What am I taking away?
622
00:32:15,454 --> 00:32:21,534
I think the concept that I love that Alan's
coming up is you can always party crash.
623
00:32:21,535 --> 00:32:25,775
Just think about he talked a little bit about
when you feel like you're a little bit kind of
624
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480
maybe steady or maybe a little bit stagnant.
625
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,039
Like when you think, I need a little something
to start to kind of look around.
626
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:37,279
And it doesn't even I think sometimes we think
it has to be your professional life.
627
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,600
It doesn't necessarily have to just be your
professional life.
628
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,065
It could be any part of your life and think,
maybe how could I party crash that particular
629
00:32:44,065 --> 00:32:48,784
part of my life to add a little bit of, you
know, kind of chutzpah to what kind of is going
630
00:32:48,784 --> 00:32:50,065
on out there.
631
00:32:50,065 --> 00:32:53,664
So for everyone, my book, Aroir, Return on
Relationships, is available.
632
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,519
But if you wanna know how authentically
connected you are in relationships, go to
633
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,319
roxanneverhodge.com for such quiz.
634
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,480
We'll send you back a little minute report with
some next steps if you wanna further enhance
635
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,200
your skills.
636
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,640
Alan, again, thanks so much.
637
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,684
And for everybody, thanks for hanging out with
us.
638
00:33:08,684 --> 00:33:13,644
If you like this episode, make sure you go on
there and give us a review and so we can feed
639
00:33:13,644 --> 00:33:16,845
that back to Alan so he knows what an amazing
job he did.
640
00:33:16,845 --> 00:33:17,244
Alright.
641
00:33:17,244 --> 00:33:18,204
Take care, everyone.
642
00:33:18,204 --> 00:33:19,164
We'll talk to you soon.
643
00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:19,644
Bye bye.
644
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,119
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645
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:32,159
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646
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:36,454
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647
00:33:36,454 --> 00:33:42,375
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648
00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:46,375
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