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Hello, Hi, is this Stephen?
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Yeah? So how you're doing?
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Doing very well? How about you?
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Ann good man? I appreciate you giving me a call.
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I thank you for it.
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I didn't want to risk calling and interrupt you when
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you weren't getting set up or anything.
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She forgot to give me your phone number, so I'm
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sitting here going he's gonna call me, right?
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Sorry? Man.
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I spoke with her yesterday about it, and I was like, hey,
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I better check whether I'm supposed to call or not,
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because I just had this horrible idea of calling and you,
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you know, I figured you'd be set up, but I
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didn't want to risk, you know, interrupting and you'd be
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like like getting set up and everything. So I was like,
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when I've been doing doom stuff, you know, you go
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into that little waiting room or whatever, and I'm like, okay,
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that's so. That's so I was like, shit, I better
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find out what I'm supposed to do. And then, yeah,
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I guess having my number was probably useful for you.
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Sorry about that.
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That's cool, But why I saw you not try and
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run my mouth too much already, but I saw you're.
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In a solid area code.
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You're not Carolina I am right here in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Man, I moved from England to North Carolina.
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Wow, so like Charlotte and Marsville is my second home.
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That is up there by Lake Wiley.
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Yeah, Morsville. You know where?
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Do you know where the Lowe's Home Improvement?
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Sure I do, yes, Yes, I do.
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Yeah. I used to.
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When I first moved to the US, I worked for
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Lowe's Culport in North Carolina, and I used to I
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used to play aim Miss South End and Charlotte.
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I used to play. Yeah, I used to play all
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around there. Man, that is home. Wow.
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That's where Hoodi and the Blowfish got their start as
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well and when and they joke around about that, saying
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it's the only place that they've ever played where they
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could order a beer while play in the drums.
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Man, I played as South End. That was the first
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short time, very short time. It was Ams on the Lake,
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which they opened up in Lake Norman and well yep,
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and a bunch of places down in South Carolina as well.
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But yeah, I lived in North Carolina for years. So
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when I saw seven O four as your area code,
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I was like, oh that number.
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Yeah, I'm here in the Valentine area. I don't know
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if Valentine was even created when you were here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been it's been a while since
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I lived there, but yeah, it was.
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It was the actually I moved.
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I moved from North Carolina in twenty twelve to LA
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but I was in North Carolina for.
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Like eight years. Wow.
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And yeah, so I pretty much like was like eighteen
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onwards in North Carolina, So I kind of grew up there.
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So I'm jealous that you're a lot closer to those angles.
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Than I am.
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Charlotte is now number fourteen when it comes to the
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largest cities in the country. I mean, it has exploded, dude.
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Really yeah, that's crazy because well that's one of the
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things I never minded actually was flying through Charlotte Douglas.
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Yes, sus getting busy and that's gonna get worse.
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Yeah, yeah, number number three in the nation. The Charlotte
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Douglas says. Now wow, really yeah, it's it's huge, dude,
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It's huge.
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That's crazy because back then it was like when I
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first moved there, it was it was still a small airport.
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It was the only well smallest anyway, it was still
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the like one of the only places that flew direct
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from the East coast to the airport that I used
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flying out of an England direct that any stops.
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So that's it's so crazy to that's.
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Your collection of music is mind blowing. I mean there
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there are. You really do set up the summer with
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a great soundtrack.
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I hope.
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So, I mean, yeah, you take a song like move On,
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moving On, and this right here to me is a
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power ballad. This is the one that adult contemporary radio
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is going to jump.
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On, man, I I hope.
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So that's that song is my baby, that's I Actually
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I wrote that when I left North Carolina. That was
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the whole point of it. Originally it was just stuff
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going on. And when I when I moved from North
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Carolina to LA, moving On was born. I wrote that
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when I was quitting my band.
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And moving out to LA. So that it all connects
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back to North Carolina finally enough.
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Now was the trip to LA? Would to move out there?
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Was that?
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Just to get closer to the music scene.
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Yeah, yeah, I've been I've been playing in uh in
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a band based out of actually out of Virginia initially.
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And had done that for like two three years.
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At that point, and it had probably gone like as
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far as I could in that you know, I'd been
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playing some some pretty big gigs and we'd been touring
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you know, full time, uh, you know, for a few years.
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And so then it was like, well, I guess I'll
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do the stereotypical thing and and go to one of
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the big of cities and and and see if I
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can do any of the stuff that I've always wanted
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to do. And it was do I want to go
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to Nashville or do I go to LA? And you know,
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the thing was, you know it actually the funny thing
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was my my drama in that band, or I should
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say actually technically he wasn't my drummer.
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He was the drummer.
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Right as I was joining the band, he was leaving
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and he went to Nashville. So I was like, well,
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I don't want to do the exact same thing as him,
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so she's gotta went off.
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To LA instead. So yeah, that was it was.
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It was a musical thing, and it was it was.
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It was a strange adventure, but it was I guess
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some stuff has come from it, so that's okay.
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Well, a lot of great music has come from that
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movie with that movie, because I mean, look at what
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you're doing here with even the song. Look at the clowns.
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I mean, you embraced those guitars with this song, and
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then you add all that beautiful harmony in there.
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Yeah, you know, that's one of my actually my favorite
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part of that song is is the vocal harmonies in
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those choruses in that song absolutely awesome. Eric knocked that
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song out of the park. We sat down and we
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wrote that and it was I think that was like
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one of the last songs that I wrote for the record,
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and I kind of less, you know, I gave I
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give the song to Eric and then be like, all right,
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do you know, do what you want with him.
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We'll kind of go from there. And when he sent those.
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Vocal harmedies back, I was like, man, that's such a
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nice counter to like how big those guitars are in
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that song.
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It was it was really cool to hear It's.
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Been a long time since I've heard guitar is that
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loud and and that proud, because I mean, you know,
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I mean there for the while we were going through
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this electronic moment again here in this country. But now
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when you're hearing that real guitar doing its thing, man,
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that's harmony for the heart.
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Man, I hope. So.
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I guess that's gonna be down a lot other people think,
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but for me, you know, it's like that's just what
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I always wanted to do. It's what I've always done
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in terms of how I wrote songs, and it was
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nice just with this record to do what I've always
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kind of heard in my head for I want to
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things to sound like And you know, it's going to
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be interesting to see what everyone else thinks of it,
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but I think that there's honesty in those guitarsks that's
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just coming directly from me.
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That song Made to Last This is. I would love
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to follow the research on this song right here because
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I think it's a game changer for new rock radio stations.
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This right here is going to open up a door.
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Oh nothing.
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To make the Last is that's a song that you know,
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i'd actually I started writing that in like twenty sixteen,
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come up with Yeah. I came up with the riff
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and everything on that and pretty much had a version
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of it written years ago, and like there was numerous
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demo versions done different things, different vocal like, different words,
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and so when we had the chance to do this record.
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That was the very first song that we did. I
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sent that to to Billionaire initially and was like, listen,
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I've got this this song. I want to see how
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it comes out. We we, you know, kind of would
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we be down to do this. And so we did
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that song with drum tracks that I'd done previously on
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a demo version with Michael Chris Reeve, who's the I
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think right now he's the drummer for avol Levine. Funny enough,
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and and so we did this this version of it
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and it came out really good. And so that led
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onto a separate song, which was when when Reaga involved.
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So we then went back and did Nothing's Made to
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Last again, and we redid the drums and basically redid
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all of the music.
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Once we had raised drums on it.
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So that song's been through a lot of different versions
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to get to where it is now. So it's it's
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nice to have that one put together and making sense finally.
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And and and actually.
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That was that was the first one we put out
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and a really good response, which was which was nice
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because it was a case of dipping my toe into
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war and seeing what everyone was gonna start thinking of
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this stuff.
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See it's stories like that that listeners want. They just
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don't know how to get it. And and to to
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be able to you know, break down the music like
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we're doing and to get the real story of how
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we got to this place called now.
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Yeah, and there is like all of these songs, I know,
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I know every song right, it has you know, stories
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behind everything. So it's it's not like I'm reinventing the
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wheel here or anything, but you know, these songs in
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some formal fashion had been with me through a lot
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of iterations to get to where we're at now, just
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because there was in my case, there was a lot
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of stuff starts and nearly happens but didn't quite happen,
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and things along those lines. So getting them to where
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you know they are in finished form has been a
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long road, but and it feels good to have these
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things done.
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Please do not move. There's more with Stephen Chesney coming
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up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation
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with singer songwriter Steven Chesney. So were you channeling Eddie
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van Halen with the song Hat on a Hat?
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I don't know if I want to put myself next
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to that. I don't know how comfortable I am saying
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anything like that, so we can definitely say that it
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was my.
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Ode to to Eddie and Eddie.
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And Steve Vai because I wanted to do something that
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if nothing else.
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When I was writing the record, I was like, Okay,
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I don't want.
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To do a big, just just nudley guitar thing, because
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there are there are people that can do that better
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than me. So it's like, but I wanted to do
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one song like that. I had to have one that
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would like, you know, my guitar song. And you know,
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I grew up with half a teacher and shy boy
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and addicted to that rush by mister Big.
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And so when I.
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Had you know, Billy playing on these songs. This is
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the second song we did. This is the one where
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Rey got involved. And I was like, well, shoot, I've
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got Ray Lucier and Billy Shean.
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Working on this.
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Now I got to do something like that. So I
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sat down and I had there's actually a long story
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behind that too, to wear. That song nearly happened back
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in I think it was twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen.
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I had written it and demoed it and I was
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going to record it with Billy and Greg Bissonette from
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David E. Ross Eatman Smile Band, and that didn't happen.
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It fell apart like right when it was going to happen.
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So I'd had that laying around for a while. And
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when I when I originally wrote it, the joking like
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demo name because it wasn't how and I had at
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I like, shit, I've got to do a dedication to
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my ode to those tunes that I loved and always,
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you know, I wish I could have written something like it.
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My interpretation of the song when You're falling apart inside
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my heart. I kept telling myself, you wrote the lyrics first,
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then the instrumentation came out, because those lyrics are spot on, dude, that.
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simple but effective, but then combine it more with with
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how I write, and so with with those words, it
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Wow, where can people go to find out more about
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you your entire career and get these songs onto their
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Spotify list.
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It's gonna be either Stephen Chesney dot com or Agents
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of your Demize dot com. If you look on Spotify,
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it's Stephen Chesney for my my solo stuff, but it's
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under Ages of your de Maize if you're looking for
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you know, the what's coming now and the obviously that's
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the most important thing, and those songs right now, the
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first two they're out and nothing's made to last and
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Sick Sick Existence. The record is going to be out
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probably in the next I would say four to six
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weeks now, maybe less, but that's kind of, you know,
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It's I've been saying that for a little bit, but
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it's all done and getting ready to go. So if
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you find me on social media Stephen Chersney or Stephen
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Chessney Music on Instagram and I can you.
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Know, that's where I'm keeping it. One of today on
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What's going on? Wow.
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I wanted to tell you earlier in the conversation that
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Charlotte has grown so much in the way that Harris
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Teeterstoers feature live music on Thursdays.
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Now, you know what's funny about that is a good
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friend of mine actually plays those.
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One of it was the first year I moved to
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North Carolina. I was playing at a festival in a
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little town called Elkin, North Carolina. Yes, yep, and uh,
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Trip Rodgers was playing. He was opening before we went
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on and uh serious shit. We reconnected that like maybe
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a year a year ago or so, and I've seen
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he's actually playing it though, so I know exactly what
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you're talking about. His name is Trent Trip Trip Rogers.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to keep my eye wide open
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for him then, because when he comes walking through our store,
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I just I just want to go up there and
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just you know, and say I know more about you now, dude.
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Man, that's what I've seen him doing. I was like,
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that's a really cool idea.
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There's a lot of things instilled in North Carolina now
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that I see, and I'm like, God, that place has
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changed as.
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Well.
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You've got to come back to this show anytime in
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the future. The door is always going to be open
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for you.
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Hey man, I appreciate that, and I appreciate you having
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me on.
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I think it's a it's a it's a real pleasure
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for me to actually get to talk about this stuff
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and to have you interested in wanting to hear it
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about it.
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So thank you very much.
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Will you be brilliant today?
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Okay yeah, man, you too, and thank you for having me.
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Hello, Hi, is this Stephen?
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Yeah? So how you're doing?
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Doing very well? How about you?
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Ann good man? I appreciate you giving me a call.
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I thank you for it.
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I didn't want to risk calling and interrupt you when
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you weren't getting set up or anything.
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She forgot to give me your phone number, so I'm
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sitting here going he's gonna call me, right?
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Sorry? Man.
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I spoke with her yesterday about it, and I was like, hey,
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I better check whether I'm supposed to call or not,
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because I just had this horrible idea of calling and you,
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you know, I figured you'd be set up, but I
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didn't want to risk, you know, interrupting and you'd be
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like like getting set up and everything. So I was like,
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when I've been doing doom stuff, you know, you go
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into that little waiting room or whatever, and I'm like, okay,
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that's so. That's so I was like, shit, I better
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find out what I'm supposed to do. And then, yeah,
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I guess having my number was probably useful for you.
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Sorry about that.
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That's cool, But why I saw you not try and
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run my mouth too much already, but I saw you're.
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In a solid area code.
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You're not Carolina I am right here in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Man, I moved from England to North Carolina.
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Wow, so like Charlotte and Marsville is my second home.
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That is up there by Lake Wiley.
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Yeah, Morsville. You know where?
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Do you know where the Lowe's Home Improvement?
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Sure I do, yes, Yes, I do.
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Yeah. I used to.
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When I first moved to the US, I worked for
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Lowe's Culport in North Carolina, and I used to I
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I used to play. Yeah, I used to play all
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around there. Man, that is home. Wow.
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That's where Hoodi and the Blowfish got their start as
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well and when and they joke around about that, saying
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it's the only place that they've ever played where they
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could order a beer while play in the drums.
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Man, I played as South End. That was the first
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short time, very short time. It was Ams on the Lake,
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which they opened up in Lake Norman and well yep,
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and a bunch of places down in South Carolina as well.
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Yeah, I'm here in the Valentine area. I don't know
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if Valentine was even created when you were here.
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It was the actually I moved.
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I moved from North Carolina in twenty twelve to LA
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largest cities in the country. I mean, it has exploded, dude.
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Yes, sus getting busy and that's gonna get worse.
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Yeah, yeah, number number three in the nation. The Charlotte
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Douglas says. Now wow, really yeah, it's it's huge, dude,
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flying out of an England direct that any stops.
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moving On, and this right here to me is a
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power ballad. This is the one that adult contemporary radio
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On, man, I I hope.
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when I was quitting my band.
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back to North Carolina finally enough.
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the big of cities and and and see if I
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can do any of the stuff that I've always wanted
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to do. And it was do I want to go
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so she's gotta went off.
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some stuff has come from it, so that's okay.
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movie with that movie, because I mean, look at what
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I mean, you embraced those guitars with this song, and
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then you add all that beautiful harmony in there.
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part of that song is is the vocal harmonies in
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those choruses in that song absolutely awesome. Eric knocked that
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song out of the park. We sat down and we
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wrote that and it was I think that was like
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one of the last songs that I wrote for the record,
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and I kind of less, you know, I gave I
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give the song to Eric and then be like, all right,
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do you know, do what you want with him.
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We'll kind of go from there. And when he sent those.
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nice counter to like how big those guitars are in
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that song.
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It was it was really cool to hear It's.
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loud and and that proud, because I mean, you know,
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I mean there for the while we were going through
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this electronic moment again here in this country. But now
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when you're hearing that real guitar doing its thing, man,
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that's harmony for the heart.
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Man, I hope. So.
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I guess that's gonna be down a lot other people think,
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I always wanted to do. It's what I've always done
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in terms of how I wrote songs, and it was
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nice just with this record to do what I've always
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things to sound like And you know, it's going to
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be interesting to see what everyone else thinks of it,
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but I think that there's honesty in those guitarsks that's
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just coming directly from me.
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That song Made to Last This is. I would love
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to follow the research on this song right here because
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I think it's a game changer for new rock radio stations.
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This right here is going to open up a door.
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Oh nothing.
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To make the Last is that's a song that you know,
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i'd actually I started writing that in like twenty sixteen,
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come up with Yeah. I came up with the riff
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and everything on that and pretty much had a version
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of it written years ago, and like there was numerous
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demo versions done different things, different vocal like, different words,
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and so when we had the chance to do this record.
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sent that to to Billionaire initially and was like, listen,
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I've got this this song. I want to see how
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it comes out. We we, you know, kind of would
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we be down to do this. And so we did
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that song with drum tracks that I'd done previously on
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a demo version with Michael Chris Reeve, who's the I
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think right now he's the drummer for avol Levine. Funny enough,
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and and so we did this this version of it
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and it came out really good. And so that led
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onto a separate song, which was when when Reaga involved.
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all of the music.
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to get to where it is now. So it's it's
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nice to have that one put together and making sense finally.
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and a really good response, which was which was nice
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because it was a case of dipping my toe into
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war and seeing what everyone was gonna start thinking of
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this stuff.
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See it's stories like that that listeners want. They just
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don't know how to get it. And and to to
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be able to you know, break down the music like
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we're doing and to get the real story of how
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we got to this place called now.
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Yeah, and there is like all of these songs, I know,
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I know every song right, it has you know, stories
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behind everything. So it's it's not like I'm reinventing the
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wheel here or anything, but you know, these songs in
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some formal fashion had been with me through a lot
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of iterations to get to where we're at now, just
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because there was in my case, there was a lot
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of stuff starts and nearly happens but didn't quite happen,
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and things along those lines. So getting them to where
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you know they are in finished form has been a
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long road, but and it feels good to have these
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things done.
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Please do not move. There's more with Stephen Chesney coming
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up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation
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with singer songwriter Steven Chesney. So were you channeling Eddie
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van Halen with the song Hat on a Hat?
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I don't know if I want to put myself next
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to that. I don't know how comfortable I am saying
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anything like that, so we can definitely say that it
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was my.
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Ode to to Eddie and Eddie.
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And Steve Vai because I wanted to do something that
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if nothing else.
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When I was writing the record, I was like, Okay,
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I don't want.
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To do a big, just just nudley guitar thing, because
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there are there are people that can do that better
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than me. So it's like, but I wanted to do
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one song like that. I had to have one that
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would like, you know, my guitar song. And you know,
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I grew up with half a teacher and shy boy
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and addicted to that rush by mister Big.
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the second song we did. This is the one where
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Rey got involved. And I was like, well, shoot, I've
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got Ray Lucier and Billy Shean.
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Working on this.
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Now I got to do something like that. So I
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sat down and I had there's actually a long story
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behind that too, to wear. That song nearly happened back
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in I think it was twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen.
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I had written it and demoed it and I was
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going to record it with Billy and Greg Bissonette from
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David E. Ross Eatman Smile Band, and that didn't happen.
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It fell apart like right when it was going to happen.
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So I'd had that laying around for a while. And
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when I when I originally wrote it, the joking like
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demo name because it wasn't how and I had at
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that point was addicted to that hot shy teacher because
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I like, shit, I've got to do a dedication to
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all of these songs.
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I'm like, I don't have a name for it yet,
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so I'm just gonna call it that.
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it was like, yeah, this song is supposed to be
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my ode to those tunes that I loved and always,
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you know, I wish I could have written something like it.
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and that's what we ended up with.
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My interpretation of the song when You're falling apart inside
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my heart. I kept telling myself, you wrote the lyrics first,
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then the instrumentation came out, because those lyrics are spot on, dude, that.
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Song is you know, It's another one that went through
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a lot of different versions to get to where it is.
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The words existed to a version of that song that
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I completely rewrote. So the lyrics were kind of what
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led the music in the direction it was going. And
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I'm a big even though it's not as guitar rhythm
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it is, but it's not. I'm a big Oasis fan.
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just the some of the A and A CG stuff
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that they were doing there and the choruses and the
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three choruses. I always wanted to have something that like
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that I could do along those lines that would be
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simple but effective, but then combine it more with with
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how I write, and so with with those words, it
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was it was a song that those words fit where
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I wanted that to go in my head with an
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idea I had musically. So yeah, I think the word
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I kind of I'm talking myself in circles on that one,
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and I'm not trying to, but it's like, yeah, the words,
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the words were there first, and it did guide the
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music on that one.
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Wow, where can people go to find out more about
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you your entire career and get these songs onto their
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Spotify list.
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It's gonna be either Stephen Chesney dot com or Agents
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of your Demize dot com. If you look on Spotify,
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it's Stephen Chesney for my my solo stuff, but it's
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under Ages of your de Maize if you're looking for
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you know, the what's coming now and the obviously that's
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the most important thing, and those songs right now, the
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first two they're out and nothing's made to last and
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Sick Sick Existence. The record is going to be out
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probably in the next I would say four to six
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weeks now, maybe less, but that's kind of, you know,
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a fluid thing.
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It's gonna be announced pretty soon.
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It's I've been saying that for a little bit, but
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it's all done and getting ready to go. So if
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you find me on social media Stephen Chersney or Stephen
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Chessney Music on Instagram and I can you.
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Know, that's where I'm keeping it. One of today on
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What's going on? Wow.
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I wanted to tell you earlier in the conversation that
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Charlotte has grown so much in the way that Harris
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Teeterstoers feature live music on Thursdays.
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Now, you know what's funny about that is a good
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friend of mine actually plays those.
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One of it was the first year I moved to
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North Carolina. I was playing at a festival in a
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little town called Elkin, North Carolina. Yes, yep, and uh,
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Trip Rodgers was playing. He was opening before we went
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on and uh serious shit. We reconnected that like maybe
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a year a year ago or so, and I've seen
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he's actually playing it though, so I know exactly what
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you're talking about. His name is Trent Trip Trip Rogers.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to keep my eye wide open
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for him then, because when he comes walking through our store,
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I just I just want to go up there and
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just you know, and say I know more about you now, dude.
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Man, that's what I've seen him doing. I was like,
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that's a really cool idea.
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There's a lot of things instilled in North Carolina now
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that I see, and I'm like, God, that place has
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changed as.
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Well.
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You've got to come back to this show anytime in
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the future. The door is always going to be open
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for you.
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Hey man, I appreciate that, and I appreciate you having
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me on.
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I think it's a it's a it's a real pleasure
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for me to actually get to talk about this stuff
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and to have you interested in wanting to hear it
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about it.
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So thank you very much.
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Will you be brilliant today?
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Okay yeah, man, you too, and thank you for having me.
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Thank you