COG - Post Mortem

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Hello, welcome back to all that, you know for
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the final time I was Colin the game master and
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producer of this little show joining me today
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are Brian Hello, I'm Brian. I was Booker the
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Incarnatine Adam Or I was Adam because I was
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Bailey the junk mage so true and Zack I was Zack
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Or so you thought it turns out my name has actually
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been Franklin this whole time Little tip that
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I've decided to reveal here at the very end crazy
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You can't call me Frank. By the way, you have
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to do the full Franklin or else I won't acknowledge
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that you're speaking to me Today we will be doing
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a bit of an overdue post -mortem for our second
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season City of Glass And I will say up front
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that this will most likely be the final episode
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of this podcast, at least for the foreseeable
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future. So this will also serve as a postmortem
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for the show as a whole. If you are an audience
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member who's interested in hearing more about
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the background of this show, I will be releasing
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a retrospective on my personal YouTube channel,
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sometimes next month in April if all goes well,
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and I am allowed to return from the country of
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Japan. Um, link to that channel will be in the
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description down below. With that out of the
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way, I would like to give out some thank yous.
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First and foremost, I would like to thank the
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audience for listening to our show. Uh, not to
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sound too much like an old man, but you know,
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we're in an era, we're in an era where it's hard
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to sit down and watch a YouTube video longer
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than five minutes. Let's level with each other
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here. Um, and it is a genuine honor that so many
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of you tuned in to listen to our show all the
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way through. If I had asked, If I had been asked
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how many people I thought would listen to 60
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plus hours of me and my friends playing pretend,
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I would probably say one to zero. Without the
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audience we cultivated, I don't know that I would
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have made a second season at all, let alone finish
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the first, so sincerely thank you all so much.
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Secondly, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple
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of people. Who are not on this call you guys
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are coming up soon. Don't worry First is a Avalyn
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Avalyn Ramsey the creator of the game beam saber.
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We played on our first season Not only did she
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go above and beyond promoting that first season
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of the show She also helped us promote this season
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of the show and we weren't even playing her system,
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which was Really very kind. I appreciated Ava
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if you are listening. Thank you so much. You're
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a real one I would also like to give a shout
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out to AFC Brody on BlueSky who wrote a small
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think -piece about Ars, one of the episodes of
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our second season. And it's generally one of
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the best things that's ever happened to me. If
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that's a reflection of my life or my ego, that's
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up to you. But I was fired nonetheless. Link
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to his blog in the description. And last but
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not least, of course, I have to thank all of
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you on the call here today, my friends and cast.
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As you guys probably know, this wasn't the easiest
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season for me to make. But I never once didn't
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have fun playing the game with all of you even
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if the show is coming to an end There is no way
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I will not be roping you all back into another
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campaign down the road With that out of the way,
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let's get into the post -mortem. This one is
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gonna be less structured Which I think is appropriate
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given how the second season went We all have
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questions for each other that I asked you to
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prep But if you also want to just jump in and
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ramble about something that you wish someone
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would ask you about Go for it. I'm gonna do it
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and I encourage you to do it as well and I'll
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open up the floor after my big rant to you all
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Okay, I I don't know if this is like a question
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that I want People to ask me about but it is
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something that I'm curious about I obviously
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did like a voice for all of this season and Like
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was it was it ever like annoying or did you guys
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did you guys like it because I'm obviously I'm
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not from the south I'm broadly Assumed that kind
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of affect for the character because I thought
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it would be fun and I feel like I had a pretty
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easy time Keeping it up. Although I'm sure it
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changed a bit through I haven't really listened
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to the series Fully right before this like I
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did with the last one So I can't say but was
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it was it ever annoying my little southern drawl?
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You're my favorite voice I think about that a
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lot too sometimes where it's just like is the
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accent I'm doing like is it is it just kind of
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like annoying other people but like in retrospect
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I always think it's like it's much better just
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doing your normal voice because it really does
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like I do there is a ledger voice now in my head
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and like that is that character so I think like
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without a doubt it really helped I guess, you
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know, I think I did a voice for Garrett too,
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but it was like that was just like, oh, I'm so
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gruff. Was like, this was this is a little bit
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different. So I'm glad I'm glad it wasn't grating
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place it, which is good. The Garrett voice is
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also nice. Yeah, I like this is good. It makes
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you it helps separate the character from the
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player, which is good. I've always struggled
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to do voices. I know in the history of the show,
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no one's voice has ever irritated me except one
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voice that we didn't record. And I think I think
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we all know who that was Brian I wonder who that
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was But you know, it's to be fair. I could have
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put my foot down at any time and I didn't You
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can only tolerate things you don't like Colin
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so I'm very impressed Well, here's your divine
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retribution motherfucker Would you like to let
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the audience know what the voice was that I tolerated
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for hours of my life? Do an impression of it
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was a humble young man named Robin. Oh you want
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an impression? I've never heard it before either
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Wait, I let's see. Let me fish for this. Just
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give me a second. It's Mickey Mouse adjacent
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See how he's cutting out the technique modern
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technology doesn't even consider that language
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in like Game of Thrones Yeah. But we're all friends.
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When I started dating my girlfriend, she heard
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that voice over and over and she stuck around.
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Yeah, that's love. That is love right there.
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Okay. Someone else jump in. Adam. Yeah, I'm looking
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through my... I'm wondering if I want to get
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to my biggest one. I can go for my second biggest
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one, which is kind of, these are all kind of
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like loosey goosey in my mind, but I was curious.
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They're more about your creative process. And
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the one that I was thinking a lot of, at least
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for like DMs or GMs, is like, how do you get
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into the process of scaring your players when
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you're acting as a god? And I don't mean by just
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describing the god's actions, but like literally
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acting as this character. It's difficult sometimes
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to separate yourself as other NPCs. So it's like,
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what do you do? Do you do anything in preparation
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to voice a god? Or is it just like make it mischievous
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and confident? You know, that's what I was going
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to say. And also what was... Go ahead. Parkelion.
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Parkelion's inspiration. Oh, yeah. Well, it's
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kind of hard. And the end of answer. Thank you
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for writing in. It's kind of hard. That's the
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episode. With Parkelean, it's like, and just
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like that stuff in general, it's really easy
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to overplay scariness. Like if you're telling
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people to be scared, they won't be scared because
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it's all pretend. Obviously, you can't say the
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word scary. That's just writing 101. But it's
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like... I like to approach it as in like the
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demands of very powerful people kind of like
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a September Bluth Honestly, he's kind of an analog
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to per Kelly in a lot of ways Where it's like
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his requests given his desires is actually pretty
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reasonable and It's also like it's not abstract
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what the consequences are. He has more resources
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than you and if he doesn't like you Most people
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who are really powerful have huge egos and it's
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like it's not worth it. It's literally just not
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worth it It's like a it's like a it's like a
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imagine a boss a Theoretical boss at work and
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he asks you to do something you don't want to
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do You could say no, but you literally don't
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win. You don't win in that situation It's true
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That is true. All right Thank you. Thank you
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for writing in you sound sexy AF phone number
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Is I think just broad but I'm curious if you
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could go back and Change one like creative decision
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that you made in setting up the latest campaign.
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What would it have been? Creative decision in
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setting up. Yeah. Or just any regrets, I guess.
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It could be beam saber, too. I am made of regrets.
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But I mean, if we're being like real, real. Probably
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well in retrospect, it'd be like just don't make
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a second season. Maybe I mean I'm happy how I
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went but it's also like I didn't take any real
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break between the end of our last one to the
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start of the second one and it was I felt it
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I Felt the burnout the whole way through so a
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bigger break would be what I would have done
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cut myself some slack That's the worst man, I
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know that feeling so well and I think you've
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been alongside me with it before as well where
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like I start off really excited about something
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and then like I can feel the enthusiasm start
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to go away but it's like I'm already so committed
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and I love what we've already created and I don't
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just want to let it die so there's like a period
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of like denial and dragging yourself through
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and being on the hook to record and release and
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then like go through the laborious effort of
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editing and producing and like putting up episodes
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on top of that sounds like a whole other fucking
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monster oh yeah i have insane respect for all
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the work you've put into this because we our
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job's easy i just sit in front of the microphone
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and do it do a funny voice for a little while
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it's the simplest thing in the fucking world
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you guys are the real heroes No matter what you
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do see it through Colin and that's like one of
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the hardest things for any creative person to
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do it's like there was no point in this Where
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it was just like whatever it just were done.
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Yeah, we did finish and we are doing a post -mortem
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right now So we you didn't do it. Yeah losing
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was not an option for me. No, not here That's
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how you are with with DN not these tabletops
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Yeah, okay. Don't call them D &Ds, please. You
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know, the D &Ds. Grandma who calls every video
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game a Nintendo. I have a question for the players.
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Yes. As you all probably expected, I was going
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to do a twist with your characters' backstories
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in some way. I do love a twist and I do love
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an identity crisis all that good stuff Did you
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have any suspicions or theories as to what was
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going on with your character going into the mid
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game or back half of the season? I did I can
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start with mine. Yeah I really did not it caught
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me off guard. I liked where it went But maybe
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my media literacy is low, but no I did not I
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did not catch on I did not expect that like Ledger
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actually being like some kind of weird ripped
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version of Virgil and that is actually something
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I had a question about as well, but I that that
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reveal was a surprise to me And it was a very
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welcome one. I will say that I did see Bailey's
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twist coming to a degree. I had a feeling that
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he was in fact You did. Yeah, that's the only
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time I figured it out is when you said your theory.
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I mean, I knew for sure when we found his apartment,
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but I have my suspicions before that as well.
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Just as like, oh, wouldn't that be neat? Not
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really like verifiable or anything. It was just
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a little hunch that I had. And I thought that
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the payoff was really great. And I thought especially,
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I mean, you resisting the consequence for Bailey
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to go away and him just like sticking around
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like a cancer in this dude's brain. Was fuck
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it that was so great i really love that a lot
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it was kind of undercut by the fact that he became
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some kind of celestial puppet i think at the
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exact same time because i think you spent that
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stress to resist it. But it was awesome it was
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such a good such a good twist you can't win them
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all you know yeah. As long as Bailey's around
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nobody else can win it all either. This fight
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is too powerful. I love it. I've got a bunch
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of big questions, but I don't know if you want
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me to start asking them so soon in, but like
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I've got I've got a few. I'm open to anything.
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OK, so I re listened to all of the intros. And
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there was a lot there that I think was really
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recontextualized new from the early season by
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the end But I think my first question is who
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was ledger writing these letters to? When you
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kind of you mean Virgil Yeah, sorry, who was
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Virgil writing all these letters to in the the
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intro segments? He didn't know when you entered
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his office There was a pile of letters in the
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corner. Those are all the letters that he thought
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he sent or just never sent Okay, so it was just
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kind of like mad because he like refers specifically
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to another person as if they like Shared in his
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struggle and I thought maybe it was the sealer
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It couldn't be downfall because he talks about
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downfall and sometimes it was ledger Okay, a
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lot of time it was I was coming from that it
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was ledger and then later on as like chronologically
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he is further along in his illness He doesn't
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even know who he's writing to and sometimes he's
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literally writing to me the author because um
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yeah he wasn't doing well okay my second intro
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related one is that in the intro to um automata
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voria which i think is the one where it replays
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the first intro and he tries to kill himself
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and he can't there's like whispering in the background
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and i couldn't catch any of it except for the
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very last thing that's whispered is never enough
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time to decide What was being whispered in the
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front have that do you even remember? Was it
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just him saying never enough time to decide over
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and over again? Or was it something else or do
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you just I do I wrote it down at one point Does
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they think the some of the like small ones? I
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don't write down which can be proved troublesome,
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but let me try to find it for you because okay
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all intros Google Docs calm Well, you do that.
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Maybe I'll ask my last question in this chain,
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which is Who is the who's the like intro narrator
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guy after that point? Is that just supposed to
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be you? Oh When it's like just me talking in
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my speaking voice Yeah, well, it's like kind
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of like you're speaking voice. It's a little
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creepier. It's like a little a little softer
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Yeah, I think it was me. I think it was literally
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me Literally him. Yeah, I have other ones written
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down that are That were the whispered words,
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I'm pretty sure it was a It was I was I remember
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what was referencing it was directly referencing
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walking into a room Seeing that there is a typewriter
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there and having to make the decision like the
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decision you made it in the last episode Yeah,
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that's that's kind of what I assumed Does somebody
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else not take one I have a broad question What
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the hell is up with the spaceship? What do you
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mean the death or Yeah, no, I mean like I know
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where we got the dad I have a question about
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that too But like did we just find a spaceship
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buried was it just like did we ever get any answers
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on that? Is that what you're intending just a
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spaceship that like crash somewhere? Yeah, it's
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literally is just an alien spaceship that that
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was drawn to the city of glass and crashed there.
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There's no Huge answer That's like fairly common
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in classic fantasy like fantasy literature, but
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also in like OSR stuff, which I know that Collin
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has patronized to some degree for a few years.
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Yeah, it's kind of one minute I wanted to tie
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the killing sphere back into it, which I had
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introduced in Those play tests we did of that
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RPG system. I was making for a bit there. I Do
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like the killer That's my second question is
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what happened to my killing sphere It's still
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there waiting for its master to return and maybe
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one day I did tell it to keep in line keep the
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the promise in line remember and yeah anything
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anything broke that he would go did everything
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stay in line at least for now yeah Okay, that
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poor that poor sphere he's got nothing to do
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I mean maybe because when you originally saw
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it in the plate I don't know if you were in that
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playtest Adam specifically I think I was but
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it's just sitting in a grove holding still so
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maybe that's why Maybe that's why it's a sphere
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once conflict doesn't crave conflict The sphere
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specifically delights in murder. It loved doing
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its job. That was the one singular impression
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I got from it is that it really loved doing its
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job. It is enjoying it. It is not an emotionless
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automaton. It really likes killing. Do what you
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love and you'll never work a day in your life.
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That's what I always say. They retired already.
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We should all be so content as the killing orb
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while it's killing. RIP or I got one. Yeah Was
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there what was I think the biggest surprise to
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you like that we did during the campaign like
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any player actions Biggest surprise. Yeah, there's
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probably there probably are there probably are
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a few of those. That's me. Let me think on it
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You guys did something fucked up with the vending
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machine I feel like Oh, we didn't take ammo.
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I remember that we were gonna put down falls
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being into it And then I think we didn't and
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they suffer for you know me us and later on Sacrifice
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something that we needed like a wedding ring
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He gave up his wedding ring, which was yeah funny
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buddy, and then he also got it back But then
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he also lost it again, which was yeah That's
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a good idea for sorry. Go ahead. I'll hold it
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Okay, I was just gonna say, I was very surprised
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when Bailey killed Downfall's Beatles. Well,
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Bailey Graham smushed them straight up, which
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I was grateful for because I didn't know what
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to do with them. Yeah for sure i think checker
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graham did it and i was a little horrified at
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the time but we had other stuff going on so i
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think ledger might have been somehow in dispose
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maybe he was just fucked up from his arm being
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blown up but i remember being like has fucked
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up i like downfall. That's, I was inspired. I
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don't know if anyone here has seen the movie,
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the Coen Brothers movie, Oh Brother, Where Art
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Thou? Has anyone seen that? Oh fuck, I love that
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movie. Naturally. Oh, when he kills the toad?
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Exactly, that's what I was thinking of. That's
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exactly, just like in his hand, crushes it and
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throws it at the tree. If you haven't seen that
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movie, please go watch it as soon as you can.
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It's one of the best movies ever made. I fucking
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love that movie. But yeah, no, I can - Are they
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just pushing drugs in it? No, it happens one
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time, and it's bad. It's John Goodman plays a
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delightful character in that movie, and it's
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just funny because he just does it with one hand,
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like the throggers of his hand. He closes it,
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he squishes it, and he throws it. Yeah. Oh, man.
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That was beautiful. Now, you know what? Now I
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love that scene. Now with the parallel drawn
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for me, now that it's been explained to me, I
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think it's great. Little artist's love note.
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What I was going to say is, would... Bailey holding
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on to his wedding ring have changed how things
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happened for him at the end when he got his memories
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back. You mean Booker wasn't my wedding. Yeah,
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Booker, I get the fucking names. We're in the
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end now. The names like, come on. Yeah, the Bailey
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Booker and Ledger are actually. Almost forgot.
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They're like. I feel like it's like a psychic
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weapon designed by the US government in the 60s,
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where it's like the three, they will flow into
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each other because you have two B's, you have
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an R and a repeating E. And a shared book motif
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in two. Yeah, and it's like they are, they're
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intersecting. Maybe is my answer. Gonna play
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it play here. It wouldn't have like a minute
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earth like oh you have your wedding ring So now
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your family's actually still alive and your regret
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is gone. No No, you fucked up bad. You fucked
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up so bad that it's on. I can't even specify
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what you did Damn, I didn't even know it was
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special That's hey That's called role -playing
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good on accident. Yeah, that means the park alien
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did his job Yeah you kept up the bargain he's
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a nice guy professional was like strangely like.
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This kind of leads into one of probably yeah
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but probably my biggest. Question is like how
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much of the second half of the game was shaped
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by the fact that you know halo kind of totally
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disappeared like did that. That's in the game
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on a completely different trajectory than you
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were planning or was it kind of just a reworked
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version of what? Was already going to happen
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because it really that really did feel like turning
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a corner for the story It really honestly did
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not change all that much Trajectory wise it did
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and like the biggest change is how I handled
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the episode after He wasn't around Which actually
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made that episode easier to give you an incentive
00:23:04.809 --> 00:23:09.690
to Proceed And then ultimately actually kind
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of just made it easier to write because the whole
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cathedral Halo thing was actually like the hardest
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narrative hook to resolve for me like I never
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I didn't like solve it at any point and I ended
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up having to So it was it was a actually made
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a little easier to go through things and it also
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gave a if to sound disconnected and borderline
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sociopathic it actually like added a bit of an
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emotional uh, you know character death -esque
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moment to help kind of Raise the stakes which
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is you know, always good. That is true It I didn't
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feel this at the time but then like I because
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I feel like after halo died was when things started
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to get really fucked up and then I had like Yeah
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Oh like this is like the morrowind thing like
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with this character's death. The threat of prophecy
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has been severed and that's why we're locked
00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:02.630
into this Horrible paths. That's interesting
00:24:02.630 --> 00:24:04.690
to know that the plan didn't really change that
00:24:04.690 --> 00:24:07.150
much. Yeah, maybe the cathedral would have set
00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:12.470
us free Well, I will just mention as I'm which
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were here You the viewer are probably very curious
00:24:17.210 --> 00:24:20.349
what happened with you and I'm not I'm not going
00:24:20.349 --> 00:24:22.490
to talk about it here on the postmortem But I
00:24:22.490 --> 00:24:24.750
may talk about it probably in the retrospective
00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:27.589
video So I'm using this as clickbait to make
00:24:27.589 --> 00:24:33.539
you watch that But also just like damn obviously,
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I'm not obviously I can't tell the future We
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can all agree on this But in the opening the
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very first theater scene in the drowned city
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or whatever. I'm calling it Hey loads character
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is unexpectedly pulled off stage at the end of
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it, which is Fascinating to think about how it
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parallels how things turned out Very interesting.
00:25:01.670 --> 00:25:05.109
Now I gotta go re -listen. Yeah, you should do
00:25:05.109 --> 00:25:07.430
that anyway. Sorry, re -listen to the whole podcast,
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motherfucker. My analytics. You can hit me with
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another one. I have a couple big ones that are
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just kind of me ranting. I have a question for
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actually both of my two fellow players. What
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would Bailey... And Booker have done, if they
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were the ones writing on that page at the very
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end of the game, and they had to make that fucking,
00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:38.200
like, snap decision, how are you gonna change
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.700
reality or whatever you have, what was it, like,
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.420
one minute? Yeah, it wasn't much time at all.
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Yeah, what would you guys have done if things
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had been different and your character was the
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.099
last one able to do things? Probably rip it in
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half. The paper. Or something like that. Crumple
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it, throw it against the wall. The burn it up
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ending. Yeah, exactly. I imagine. I did also,
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.759
like, when we went through the well, I did have,
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.980
like, this headcanon, at least, for my character.
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:09.660
In the back of my mind, I always thought Bailey
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thought he died in that moment, you know? And
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.440
that's why he was kind of very apathetic and
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.359
nihilistic going forward from there, just more
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.039
than that. So I feel like he started just taking
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:21.579
bigger risks, and he probably would have just
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kind of liked what he did at the end, fusing
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with Graham. I have a feeling he would have just
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tried to deny things. That makes him so cool
00:26:29.910 --> 00:26:32.109
he's so real for that he's like Shabbat hedgehog,
00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:34.829
you know, so true and remind me the page was
00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:37.309
blank, right? Yeah Yeah, you you basically could
00:26:37.309 --> 00:26:39.710
write the ending of the story if you so chose
00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:43.549
or you could burn up the the script or do nothing
00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:46.670
I believe Yeah, I think Booker would have done
00:26:46.670 --> 00:26:51.710
nothing We just let it fill up with ink. Yeah
00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:57.400
It's so funny because like Obviously this isn't
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.579
the case but because of what happened with Booker
00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:02.279
and Bailey both kind of getting possessed or
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.400
whatever at the end I think that like part of
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.619
why ledger made the choice that he did is because
00:27:09.619 --> 00:27:14.960
he Probably he kind of just like assumed that
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.519
Bailey and Booker were both never real and like
00:27:18.809 --> 00:27:21.569
All of reality was just this like solipsistic
00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:24.509
nightmare for his own benefit to put him here
00:27:24.509 --> 00:27:26.549
and maybe they never were real people, they were
00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:28.950
always these weird puppets because obviously
00:27:28.950 --> 00:27:31.490
he doesn't know what I know about game mechanics
00:27:31.490 --> 00:27:35.210
and consequences and... Resisting and getting
00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:37.170
taken out because you have no stress left and
00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:39.309
everything So I think I think that was why he
00:27:39.309 --> 00:27:40.829
made the choice that he did was that he was like
00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:43.589
well Every probably everything I've ever known
00:27:43.589 --> 00:27:46.450
has all just been a part of this stupid bullshit.
00:27:46.450 --> 00:27:53.190
So let's just let it end That's my explanation
00:27:53.190 --> 00:28:01.940
real Okay, I'm gonna rant for a little bit because
00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:05.599
it precedes a question for all of you love that
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:10.839
just So for me Season one and season two were
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.059
polar opposites season one had a lot of prep
00:28:13.059 --> 00:28:15.480
behind it and it had a fleshed -out world and
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.420
more or less grounded rules there were factions
00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:19.460
to navigate things were messy in a realistic
00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:21.559
way and there was something odd in the background
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.099
simmering something insidious that felt burrowed
00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:26.380
into the narrative season one was a lot more
00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:28.579
character focused it had to work with the main
00:28:28.579 --> 00:28:30.259
plot and each character's plot. It was a ton
00:28:30.259 --> 00:28:32.240
of work. And as you know, it was a lot longer
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.400
of a season two. If season one was a TV show
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.359
is one of those shows where someone says watch
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.019
the first three episodes before you make any
00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:40.839
judgments and it all comes together in the end.
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.480
And season two for me was very different. There's
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.920
less prep. We were returning to a world that
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.440
you the players had been in before, but the audience
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.400
hadn't. I put way more effort into having a really
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.160
strong first episode and having a good hook as
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:55.819
opposed to just kind of like feeling it out.
00:28:56.089 --> 00:28:58.069
And then everything was off the cuff kind of
00:28:58.069 --> 00:29:01.130
from there with season two. The dynamics of that
00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:03.670
second season were rooted in the world and the
00:29:03.670 --> 00:29:06.089
characters, but they were also much more strongly
00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:09.569
integrated in a meta -textual level to be pretentious.
00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:12.009
The narrator for season two was one of Zach's
00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:14.109
old characters from a campaign that our audience
00:29:14.109 --> 00:29:16.569
literally could have no idea about. The world,
00:29:16.609 --> 00:29:19.130
similarly, is one that we... collectively have
00:29:19.130 --> 00:29:21.009
played at least seven campaigns in over like
00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:23.369
numerous years, but the audience had never seen
00:29:23.369 --> 00:29:25.509
this. And the whole thing with the Friendly Man
00:29:25.509 --> 00:29:27.670
was a continuation of a campaign I ran with Zach
00:29:27.670 --> 00:29:30.470
that fell apart because of real life issues.
00:29:31.109 --> 00:29:33.769
And as such, the story is kind of haunted by
00:29:33.769 --> 00:29:35.609
this feeling and the characters are contending
00:29:35.609 --> 00:29:37.990
with forces that are both familiar and unfamiliar
00:29:37.990 --> 00:29:41.460
to them. And I think I would hope that the audience
00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:43.880
would feel acutely aware that they're watching
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.079
a stage play in which the actors know the details,
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:47.940
but they cannot be reckoned with in the narrative
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:51.079
itself. And of course, the real main antagonist,
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:52.759
if you want to call it that, of season two is
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.140
the script itself, contending with the fact that,
00:29:55.299 --> 00:29:57.640
yes, this is a show and there are rules and incentives
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:00.759
beyond our characters making things happen. So
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.200
that was my rant about it. And then to actually
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.700
ask the question to you, the players, how did
00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:09.799
season one differ from season two for you? Let's
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.539
go I can go first anything because I was thinking
00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:17.819
about this a little bit today. Um, I do obviously
00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:20.740
Deeply love both seasons. I'm very happy that
00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:24.579
I was able to take part in both of them I liked
00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:29.640
both of my characters quite a lot I feel like
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:36.519
I season one specifically touched on a few particular
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.160
points that I really really love and I'm a big
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.740
fan of sci -fi war especially like Sci -fi war
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.019
where you have to worry about things like logistics
00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:48.200
where our bullets being manufactured and shipped
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.420
Where's the what's like the morale of the factions?
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.259
What's their power base? What are their politics
00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:57.220
like? So season one hit a lot of my weak points
00:30:57.220 --> 00:30:59.500
for me and it allowed me to play out one of my
00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:06.400
One of my I love a good Revenge story and I love
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.079
a good redemption story and a good martyr story
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.920
and I feel like I was able to Play with those
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.920
but also like a lot of things changed in ways
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.279
that I didn't expect at the start Which I know
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.759
I already talked about a bunch in the first part
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.299
modem post -mortem, but here in the second one.
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:27.420
I feel like I am that first art of like the city
00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:32.279
of glass I felt like it It sounds like maybe
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.099
kind of pretentious to say but it kind of inspired
00:31:34.099 --> 00:31:35.819
some wonder in me. I was like this is really
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:39.500
cool I want to kind of just explore this and
00:31:39.500 --> 00:31:41.579
see what happens and that's kind of part of why
00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:44.420
I made ledger is kind of just like a rambling
00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:47.460
man because I just wanted him to be able to roll
00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:49.980
around in this space that was familiar in some
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:51.599
ways because we have played in the world before
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.210
but like I knew partly because of the system
00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:56.849
we used, partly because of the setting that it
00:31:56.849 --> 00:31:59.529
was gonna get really weird and so I wanted to
00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:03.329
make a guy who could kind of explore that space
00:32:03.329 --> 00:32:05.289
a little bit more and like interact with this
00:32:05.289 --> 00:32:07.390
thing without being fettered with like trying
00:32:07.390 --> 00:32:11.369
to be like a normal functional human being. So
00:32:11.369 --> 00:32:13.789
they were very different for me but I did love
00:32:13.789 --> 00:32:18.190
them both in very... Different ways sorry what
00:32:18.190 --> 00:32:20.089
was the question even I feel like I might have
00:32:20.089 --> 00:32:26.029
sidestepped it. How they differed but that's
00:32:26.029 --> 00:32:29.230
it you didn't answer it. That idea I think that
00:32:29.230 --> 00:32:31.450
covers it yeah I had ledger I tried to just kinda
00:32:31.450 --> 00:32:34.049
you know just just kind of try and play around
00:32:34.049 --> 00:32:35.769
with that I got and want to be the straight guy
00:32:35.769 --> 00:32:37.970
wanted to play it a little bit crazy and I had
00:32:37.970 --> 00:32:43.630
a lot of fun. The gay guy. Let's actually was
00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:46.490
pretty I mean his death was a woman he was he
00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:54.930
was explicitly straight, which is He didn't have
00:32:54.930 --> 00:32:59.450
he didn't have an enemies to lovers rival like
00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:08.440
that dude, so I'll say I for me it was like season
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.700
one was like it was like studying and playing
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.519
like a Encyclopedia textbook and then the second
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.839
season was like a comic book kind of it's kind
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.339
of how I like related it to my characters where
00:33:19.339 --> 00:33:23.599
it's like in Season one Joseph is like I was
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.819
playing basically like c3po who kills people
00:33:25.819 --> 00:33:28.900
so it's like I had to know and Understand like
00:33:28.900 --> 00:33:31.079
the world like I had to do my homework to actually
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.079
like live that character, you know But in doing
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.940
that, you know, it's like he it was just I feel
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:42.180
like I play Joseph to interact like with the
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:45.059
world. And then when I was playing as Bailey,
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.079
it was just like all Bailey and only his inner
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.140
thoughts. It's like you told us before that,
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.259
like you were kind of going in with less prep.
00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:54.819
So, yeah, I was going to just decide to go like
00:33:54.819 --> 00:33:57.920
loosey goosey more with Bailey and kind of in
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.099
that way, in a weird way. It's like. I'm more
00:34:00.099 --> 00:34:03.440
impressed by the way I played, uh, Joseph, but
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.859
I was always more excited to play Bailey because
00:34:05.859 --> 00:34:08.320
he was just, he was like, it's very cliche, I
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.719
think, to play assholes in like any tabletop
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.980
RPG, you know, but he is kind of like, those,
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:15.320
those characters are kind of like my comfort
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.460
characters because you could kind of just do
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:20.019
whatever you want. Um, you know, within reason
00:34:20.019 --> 00:34:23.599
in a lot of these situations and like, it was
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.380
always just more fun to experience, uh, you know,
00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:28.519
like the world that you were creating. so like
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.239
always whenever we're going into an episode of
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.059
city of glass it was just like it was kind of
00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:36.260
like fun improv whereas like playing joseph it
00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:39.559
was just like uh like know your lines know exactly
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.639
what's going to be going on here and i'm proud
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.099
with the things that i did with joseph you know
00:34:43.099 --> 00:34:45.699
it's just an interesting difference there yeah
00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:50.389
joseph got put in some uh very complicated social
00:34:50.389 --> 00:34:53.690
situations that required a lot of just like dancing
00:34:53.690 --> 00:34:56.230
on the razor's edge. Yeah, that's the thing is
00:34:56.230 --> 00:34:59.409
Joseph was like his entire like, presence and
00:34:59.409 --> 00:35:01.550
motive and stuff was like interacting and changing
00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:03.690
the world like he cared about like the other,
00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:07.369
you know, every every other robot in the world
00:35:07.369 --> 00:35:09.949
just cared about himself. That was like the only
00:35:09.949 --> 00:35:12.449
most important thing to him, you know, so I kind
00:35:12.449 --> 00:35:14.250
of just like I put it down to those characters
00:35:14.250 --> 00:35:16.510
and they kind of reflect how I felt playing the
00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:19.530
game. I just want to say that you touched on
00:35:19.530 --> 00:35:21.590
like how easy it is to play an asshole character
00:35:21.590 --> 00:35:24.210
I think it's very easy to play an asshole character,
00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:26.969
but it's very hard to make an asshole character
00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:30.510
likable and I really liked Bailey a lot and like
00:35:30.510 --> 00:35:32.389
when I thought that he really was going to be
00:35:32.389 --> 00:35:34.929
just gone from the end of the game I was really
00:35:34.929 --> 00:35:38.139
upset and then I Flipped back to being really
00:35:38.139 --> 00:35:40.019
happy and thought it was really funny the way
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:42.239
that he stuck around like that was essentially
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.239
Bailey thing It was just it was just a joy to
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.519
watch him like freak out on anybody or like just
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.340
like be Obstinate for no reason or just like
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:52.000
argumentative because that's the kind of guy
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.099
he is It was always a lot of fun and very funny
00:35:56.099 --> 00:36:00.019
and to build on that I really and this is I will
00:36:00.019 --> 00:36:01.820
i'm gonna circle back so we can touch on you
00:36:01.820 --> 00:36:07.650
brian, but Yeah, I really enjoyed once uh Booker
00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:11.929
and Bailey lost their agency in the story You
00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:15.610
guys didn't just like clam up. You still did
00:36:15.610 --> 00:36:18.489
roleplay as your characters, but with this like
00:36:18.489 --> 00:36:21.329
Kind of like shrugging my arms defeatism that
00:36:21.329 --> 00:36:24.010
was like extremely appropriate and was much better
00:36:24.010 --> 00:36:25.230
than anything I would have been able to come
00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:27.489
up with for your characters to say where you're
00:36:27.489 --> 00:36:29.050
just I think there's like one point where like
00:36:29.050 --> 00:36:32.829
you're in the the final underwater city thing
00:36:32.829 --> 00:36:37.190
I forget what I even called it and Ledger's looking
00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:39.289
at you guys like, well, what are we doing? And
00:36:39.289 --> 00:36:40.969
then I think either Bailey or Booker kind of
00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:44.670
shrugs and is like, buddy, that's on you now.
00:36:48.730 --> 00:36:52.429
Yeah, that was fun. I liked losing my agency.
00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:56.690
It was actually kind of fun. But going back to
00:36:56.690 --> 00:37:00.230
the original question on how it felt as a player
00:37:00.230 --> 00:37:02.530
switching between the two, I think you touched
00:37:02.530 --> 00:37:05.679
on it with the rant. The first one had almost
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.760
an encyclopedic level of backstory, and I think
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.159
foundation that we had to think about when we
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.019
were playing our characters. Adam, you said this
00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:17.800
directly, it just felt so much more loosey -goosey
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.219
in the second one, which I liked, but definitely
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:24.000
felt very different in terms of actual play.
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.159
But both very fun. I liked both characters. Felt
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.340
like two different genres of tabletop entirely,
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.599
which they were. They were. Yeah, definitely.
00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:37.809
They were. They were. Can I add something about
00:37:37.809 --> 00:37:41.690
asshole characters? Yeah. I was also thinking,
00:37:42.409 --> 00:37:45.730
like, whenever I play those characters, another
00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:47.409
thing that is in the back of my mind is like,
00:37:47.570 --> 00:37:50.829
I also don't want to annoy you, Colin, the GM,
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:53.429
because I feel like an easy pitfall that a lot
00:37:53.429 --> 00:37:55.289
of those characters fall into, which I'm sure
00:37:55.289 --> 00:37:57.440
I've done many times. It's just like. You set
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.099
something up and then the player character is
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:01.860
like, no, I'm not going to do that. Screw you.
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:03.559
My character does the other thing. And then you're
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.780
like, OK, thanks, you know. Yeah, you did a very
00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:10.099
good job of of it was kind of the perfect asshole.
00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:12.059
Like I couldn't I couldn't have done it. I probably
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:14.780
would have done worse myself. Or like you really
00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:17.780
did not at any point lean away from the fun.
00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:19.699
You just managed to continue being the asshole
00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:21.800
character in such a way that you still enabled
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.280
the fun stuff to happen, which is good. Yeah,
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:26.880
that's like it's just one of those rule of improv
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.599
things right like you always want to yes and
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.800
and no matter what You know if you yeah exactly
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.280
as you do that. It'll yeah, it's kind of us I
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.199
love I love fighting everyone in your world.
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.260
Like I like being an asshole to the assholes
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:44.300
of your world Once that's slowing the story down
00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:45.599
then it's just like it feels like it's all about
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.659
Bailey and that's not as fun You know, that's
00:38:47.659 --> 00:38:48.800
like something that's always in the back of my
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.739
mind whenever I play those characters. It's just
00:38:50.739 --> 00:38:53.000
like There's a bigger story at play. And it's
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.940
just like, even if my guy is self -centered,
00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:59.880
it's like, you got to work for the group. That's
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.340
my weird tangent. Thank you. Someone else put
00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:07.239
one up. I only have another big one. I have a
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.460
series of very existential questions about the
00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:13.059
end of the game that kind of all have to be asked
00:39:13.059 --> 00:39:14.860
at the same time, because they're kind of all
00:39:14.860 --> 00:39:18.219
tied together or along the same theme. So the
00:39:18.219 --> 00:39:23.000
first one is when When the the two boys my two
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.760
best friends both got taken by whatever and I
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.460
ledger had his little Russian roulette moment
00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:33.360
I think I can't remember if this was on mic or
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.179
off afterwards you mentioned that if I did roll
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.760
to have the correct chamber come up and Have
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.820
him like he was about to shoot himself in the
00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:44.639
head the two Like the two puppets or whatever
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.250
you want to call them would have intervened What
00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:51.309
would have happened if he had just killed himself?
00:39:51.309 --> 00:39:52.949
Like, if Ledger had blown his brains out and
00:39:52.949 --> 00:39:54.730
they weren't able to stop him, or would you not
00:39:54.730 --> 00:39:59.150
have allowed that to happen? I think in the moment,
00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:04.349
I was thinking, please God, do not roll a six
00:40:04.349 --> 00:40:09.690
on this dice. Because, you know, I was gambling
00:40:09.690 --> 00:40:13.349
against myself. Whereas the odds are he probably
00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:16.929
won't happen. But I did not have a plan. Okay,
00:40:17.489 --> 00:40:19.809
and honestly depending on my headspace, you know,
00:40:19.809 --> 00:40:21.909
you know how the story ends. It's not exactly
00:40:21.909 --> 00:40:27.730
like a fun ending even so maybe If I was in some
00:40:27.730 --> 00:40:29.909
way destructive headspace, maybe that's the end
00:40:29.909 --> 00:40:34.570
You literally kill yourself That would be fucking
00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:38.889
bananas Just a fucking gunshot series over Yeah,
00:40:39.050 --> 00:40:41.030
Bailey and Booker pull the curtains closed and
00:40:41.030 --> 00:40:49.590
it's like well folks it's been nice Then I guess
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:53.469
my next one would be what Would have happened
00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:56.210
if ledger had refused to give up his death or
00:40:56.210 --> 00:40:59.250
more broadly if we as a group had refused to
00:40:59.250 --> 00:41:02.510
cooperate with Virgil's final plan When we spoke
00:41:02.510 --> 00:41:05.170
to him in the confession booth, I think you get
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:09.349
swallowed no matter what I did not have anything
00:41:09.349 --> 00:41:14.340
prepped for it because I felt that It seemed
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:16.639
like the narratively appropriate thing to do
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.639
just like character arc wise not to be like meta
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:24.039
But I probably would have made the I honestly
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.340
what did I call the the burned city that was
00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:28.059
underneath the ocean? I had a name for it, but
00:41:28.059 --> 00:41:32.519
I totally forget what it was Whatever that was
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:39.539
Miami yes Go Miami go Dolphins, honestly the
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:41.559
it probably would have been more fucked up it
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:42.820
would have been a lot less orderly it probably
00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:44.780
would have been a little more chaotic uh probably
00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:47.340
people like trying to hook you up to wires and
00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:52.679
shit okay um then i think my final and biggest
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.099
question is Was there a series of words that
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:58.219
could have been put on that paper that would
00:41:58.219 --> 00:42:00.559
have made some sort of tangible difference to
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.679
how the ending functioned? And as a follow up
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.960
to that, was there any way to avoid stepping
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.119
in that room with the typewriter page at all,
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.719
or was that always going to be how it ended,
00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:14.179
no matter what? I would have done everything
00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:16.960
in my power as a GM to get you in that room.
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:23.139
So it would have been, you know. Who knows? Maybe
00:42:23.139 --> 00:42:25.559
you could outsmart me, but it's kind of hard
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:27.320
to outsmart me when I have all the power, you
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:32.699
know? There is no set of words. I spent a lot
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.119
of time thinking about it when I was writing
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:35.940
the endings. I was like, okay, I have an ending
00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:37.420
for if you do nothing. I have an ending for if
00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:39.880
you destroy it intentionally. Then I have one
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:41.840
ending that has to encapsulate everything you
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.579
write. And that's the one I prepped the least
00:42:43.579 --> 00:42:45.300
for because it's like, well, you could write
00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:49.710
anything. And so it was just like, I couldn't
00:42:49.710 --> 00:42:53.750
imagine anything you would write that would really
00:42:53.750 --> 00:42:56.389
definitively make anything spiral out of control,
00:42:56.610 --> 00:43:00.210
because even if you say, everyone was happy,
00:43:00.250 --> 00:43:02.130
the end, then I'm like, well, and then everyone
00:43:02.130 --> 00:43:05.610
was happy, the end, dot, dot, dot. That's all
00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:07.389
I have to say. It's already written. You wrote
00:43:07.389 --> 00:43:13.079
the lines for me, buddy. Yeah. that's kind of
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.139
what i assumed but i wanted to check that you
00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:17.219
weren't thinking like well if you know like we
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:19.280
got a really good lawyer on here we wrote a fucking
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.260
ironclad contract no no there was one over on
00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.860
the universe in our first campaign ever you were
00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:29.440
in an attack it was um brian and adam and a couple
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.380
other friends um that we had like a final encounter
00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:36.769
where they're in this like Big structure. I'm
00:43:36.769 --> 00:43:38.789
not gonna get into it doesn't matter but like
00:43:38.789 --> 00:43:40.949
I haven't written in that like if someone decides
00:43:40.949 --> 00:43:42.849
for some reason to roll a perception check in
00:43:42.849 --> 00:43:45.369
this exact hallway and they roll like a Nearly
00:43:45.369 --> 00:43:47.969
impossible result. I have written five paragraphs.
00:43:47.969 --> 00:43:50.750
I had a lot of free time back then that was like
00:43:50.750 --> 00:43:53.090
the real true ending and obviously that didn't
00:43:53.090 --> 00:43:57.150
happen, but You know that that I don't I don't
00:43:57.150 --> 00:43:58.789
I don't got time for that anymore and I'm way
00:43:58.789 --> 00:44:02.329
better at improv now, too So, you know Yeah comes
00:44:02.329 --> 00:44:04.610
with time the the reason part of why I asked
00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:07.289
that question also is because in the game that
00:44:07.289 --> 00:44:09.849
We've alluded to already in this post -mortem.
00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:12.670
We'll wear That added a lot of the preface for
00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:14.570
this campaign That's where Virgil Albright came
00:44:14.570 --> 00:44:16.969
from Virgil Albright the man before he became
00:44:16.969 --> 00:44:19.610
a squid thing had this ability I think it was
00:44:19.610 --> 00:44:21.730
like was it a dungeon world ability the see your
00:44:21.730 --> 00:44:24.730
fate one? I made that one. Do you write that
00:44:24.730 --> 00:44:28.650
one? I should have known because it was an oblivion
00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:34.469
reference. I think Yeah, but it was like, the
00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:37.969
whole thing was that you know how you're gonna
00:44:37.969 --> 00:44:42.110
die, narrate how it happens, and then take an
00:44:42.110 --> 00:44:46.289
action as if you had rolled two sixes. And my
00:44:46.289 --> 00:44:48.989
plan was, before the game fell apart, I was gonna
00:44:48.989 --> 00:44:52.809
try and break out of this weird cycle by using
00:44:52.809 --> 00:44:56.349
what ended up being the Hungry God's Ribbon.
00:44:57.710 --> 00:45:00.070
That does a special thing if you roll two sixes
00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:02.710
and use that to like one shot this like cosmic
00:45:02.710 --> 00:45:04.769
It was really more of like a force of nature
00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:07.349
than an entity really but I was gonna just like
00:45:07.349 --> 00:45:09.809
that was like my like Combination of cheat codes
00:45:09.809 --> 00:45:11.849
to like boom click it out of existence and like
00:45:11.849 --> 00:45:13.429
when you talk about like I would have had to
00:45:13.429 --> 00:45:17.340
outsmart you In order to fundamentally change
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:18.980
the ending, that was the first thing that came
00:45:18.980 --> 00:45:22.079
to my mind is just like a combination of abilities
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.880
that the game gives you that kind of just lets
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.300
you explicitly like do something and the GM has
00:45:26.300 --> 00:45:29.820
no say. But obviously, I didn't really have anything
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:32.840
like that and we had moved away from heart. Yeah,
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.119
I put a move on everyone's character sheet that
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:44.090
says I get to do what I want signed column. It's
00:45:44.090 --> 00:45:45.889
nice of me to put it on the character sheet at
00:45:45.889 --> 00:45:50.670
least not just You know, you're working with
00:45:50.670 --> 00:45:55.309
Yeah, I think I think that's um, oh my one other
00:45:55.309 --> 00:45:56.449
question about the ending is what would have
00:45:56.449 --> 00:45:58.889
happened if ledger had also Traumat out and all
00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:01.849
three of us had been taken by whatever I really
00:46:01.849 --> 00:46:06.510
wanted to avoid that Honestly, I didn't expect
00:46:06.510 --> 00:46:13.590
for both Booker and Bailey to trauma out. I don't
00:46:13.590 --> 00:46:17.329
even believe I had prepped what happened to them
00:46:17.329 --> 00:46:20.130
in the first place. It was kind of a blind spot
00:46:20.130 --> 00:46:21.070
because I was like, well, they're not even going
00:46:21.070 --> 00:46:22.489
to be rolling that much. Like, what could even
00:46:22.489 --> 00:46:30.070
happen? Yeah, I was imagining like you're all
00:46:30.070 --> 00:46:31.769
gonna end up in the writers room and you might
00:46:31.769 --> 00:46:34.389
have a brawl like I thought that's you know,
00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:38.869
that might be the ending but I Didn't it didn't
00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:41.789
go that way or ledger. This is like the worst
00:46:41.789 --> 00:46:44.309
possible outcome for him He gets tricked into
00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:45.929
thinking that everything he's ever known was
00:46:45.929 --> 00:46:48.329
a lie and his friends were never real And then
00:46:48.329 --> 00:46:51.489
he commits artistic suicide by writing the end
00:46:51.489 --> 00:46:54.349
of reality even though it doesn't stick It's
00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:58.440
a tragedy It is they're always tragedies, isn't
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.480
that funny? Yeah, I Was one of my questions too
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.480
is like did you expect the happy ending from
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:10.159
this? When I I mean when we started this I kind
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:11.500
of leveled with y 'all. I'm like, yeah your character
00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:14.559
is probably gonna die in a horrific way Yeah,
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:18.900
but I think about that Never it never feels appropriate
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.039
to kill someone's character in a horrific way
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.460
because then they can't play anymore and I don't
00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:26.219
like that. I know That's it's one of those things
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:29.039
I mean you guys both played Delta green with
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.340
me. To some degree and I that's one of the things
00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:35.280
that I struggle with with that game is that like
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.340
it has the potential to be very deadly you can
00:47:37.340 --> 00:47:40.099
easily just die no dodge from like certain types
00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:42.860
of weapons but then it's like. All of the - I
00:47:42.860 --> 00:47:46.480
like to make my campaigns be very story and character
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.860
driven and like, I like to do specific character
00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:51.179
things and it's like, wow, okay, that character's
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.940
dead, now they're fucking - like all those -
00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:54.659
all those plot lines are truncated or they need
00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:56.420
to be reworked and now you have to rework a new
00:47:56.420 --> 00:47:59.320
person in. And like, I think lethality and tabletop
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.239
RPGs that are very story -centric is a very difficult
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.380
thing to deal with. Uh, it's really fucking hard.
00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:10.659
What was the question? I forget the original
00:48:10.659 --> 00:48:14.539
question. Was asking about your question, right?
00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:16.019
Yeah, I was asking what would have happened if
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:19.639
we had all got taken at the end. Oh I feel like
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.639
Brian asked a question. Am I crazy? No, this
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.699
is did you always think this was gonna be a tragedy?
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.659
That's right. Yeah Yes, yes, yeah, it was a tragedy
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:34.719
into riff I was pretty sure it was gonna be a
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.920
horror tragedy from the start and then obviously
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:38.800
some real -life tragedy happens and then I was
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.210
like, oh yeah, no, we're really We're really
00:48:41.210 --> 00:48:46.190
gonna do it. We're really gonna do it now. I
00:48:46.190 --> 00:48:49.230
had my big creative question, but I was curious
00:48:49.230 --> 00:48:53.030
about this entire time. Yes, Adam, and you don't
00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:55.550
even have to say it. Always write with your sack
00:48:55.550 --> 00:49:06.889
full. Thank you very much. Now, the thing I was
00:49:06.889 --> 00:49:10.309
wondering is City of Glass, it employs and uses
00:49:10.309 --> 00:49:13.130
a lot of supernatural and mind -bending scenarios.
00:49:13.630 --> 00:49:15.730
Some of our adventures even took place in strange
00:49:15.730 --> 00:49:18.590
voids and abysses, where seemingly anything could
00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:20.590
happen. And I was always wondering that entire
00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:23.769
time, how difficult this was, or how you would
00:49:23.769 --> 00:49:27.789
at least tell the audience, how do you, as the
00:49:27.789 --> 00:49:31.809
GM, attempt to write madness as something that
00:49:31.809 --> 00:49:35.570
we, the players, can play in? As areas, as enemies?
00:49:35.869 --> 00:49:38.369
Like that craftian vibe of madness. How do you
00:49:38.369 --> 00:49:42.530
do that? um, I well it's actually not too hard
00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:49.250
for me because um My brain hurts sometimes um
00:49:49.250 --> 00:49:52.829
And uh, I think honestly the easiest way to write
00:49:52.829 --> 00:49:55.510
madness is to stop with it sounds kind of obvious
00:49:55.510 --> 00:50:00.309
is don't try to make sense Ever gotcha. Um, because
00:50:00.309 --> 00:50:03.539
at one point I was like, um And maybe you I forget
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:06.039
exactly what it was but like in the session zero
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.380
We established that there were connections between
00:50:09.380 --> 00:50:14.559
Bailey and Booker We're like you actually Booker
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.739
had given Bailey checker grams journal in the
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.960
first place because his master had it for some
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:23.179
reason and later events directly contradict that
00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:30.360
So either that didn't happen or Fundamentally,
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.539
the narrative has reshaped it in such a way that
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:37.380
it doesn't matter, which is, you know, I think
00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:39.380
just if you want to be crazy, just contradict
00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:41.960
yourself constantly and then refuse to explain
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.880
or act like you've contradicted yourself. It
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.739
was hard to catch the contradiction. I felt like
00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:50.840
every area flowed smoothly. So I think it's one
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.840
of those things where it's like you might not
00:50:52.840 --> 00:51:00.070
notice it, but your brain did. Even I as the
00:51:00.070 --> 00:51:02.469
guy writing the world felt unmoored at times
00:51:02.469 --> 00:51:06.289
from like any concrete cause and effect Yeah
00:51:06.289 --> 00:51:11.650
So I was just like yeah sure whatever He felt
00:51:11.650 --> 00:51:17.409
like a dream. I love it. I love to dream Um,
00:51:17.710 --> 00:51:21.289
I think I do have another question and this is
00:51:21.289 --> 00:51:25.340
um So this obviously this took place in a world
00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:29.000
that We've already played in quite a bit in different
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.840
ways Is the idea that the true nature of the
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.139
reality in this world that I believe we've called
00:51:36.139 --> 00:51:40.829
the Magus verse and both various names is the
00:51:40.829 --> 00:51:43.969
fact that it's like entire destiny was tied to
00:51:43.969 --> 00:51:46.489
a script page is that something that was is the
00:51:46.489 --> 00:51:48.550
implication here that it was always inherent
00:51:48.550 --> 00:51:50.869
to the world is it something that was inflicted
00:51:50.869 --> 00:51:54.349
upon this world by outside sources like the undone
00:51:54.349 --> 00:51:57.150
which i've kind of obliquely had screen time
00:51:57.150 --> 00:51:59.610
here or is there no answer and it's not something
00:51:59.610 --> 00:52:02.030
that can be known or explained in any way that
00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:06.280
matters at the highest meta level It is just,
00:52:06.380 --> 00:52:08.500
it's not even, the script isn't even really something
00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:11.300
that matters in universe. It is just contending
00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:14.380
with the fact that this is literally a story
00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:17.380
that I am writing and there's not actually any
00:52:17.380 --> 00:52:20.559
real control or consequence because I am writing
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.679
it and I can say whatever happens and whatever
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.000
happens happens and you know, it's a stage play.
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:30.519
You know, I'm only writing it based on my own
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.840
experiences and Emotions, so I don't even have
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.420
free will either and it all just kind of trickles
00:52:35.420 --> 00:52:42.400
down into the minutia See I'm gonna could I can
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.980
I have my own shit for a second here? Yes, please
00:52:44.980 --> 00:52:46.719
This is one of those questions. I literally just
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:48.579
wrote for myself because I was always wondered
00:52:48.579 --> 00:52:52.519
if other people were wondering it Why was it
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.519
called City of Glass even though it barely featured
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.579
either cities or glass? Never occurred to me
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:01.699
to ask until you said it. Can we take guesses
00:53:01.699 --> 00:53:03.880
before you answer? Can we take guesses? Yes,
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.840
please take guesses. My assumption this entire
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.000
time, I thought it was based off that tower that
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.059
we accidentally made in an old session. Like
00:53:13.059 --> 00:53:15.739
this horrible thing that we exploded. And I thought
00:53:15.739 --> 00:53:17.500
it created like this huge tower. And I thought
00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:20.539
that's what it was referencing. That's the tree.
00:53:20.739 --> 00:53:26.739
But no. OK. Oh, the tree of. Yeah, I was in the
00:53:26.739 --> 00:53:29.059
domain of the tree. That was the tree. They caused
00:53:29.059 --> 00:53:31.900
that. Yeah, I did that. There was a session where
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:34.380
we like detonated like a demon nuclear bomb in
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:37.219
a city. I remember you told us. Yes, yes. That
00:53:37.219 --> 00:53:40.320
did stuff later. It did do stuff. It did do stuff.
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.280
I like it when small mistakes happen and it spirals.
00:53:46.210 --> 00:53:50.269
My my guess is that it just has to do with you
00:53:50.269 --> 00:53:53.809
know cuz in glass you can kind of see your reflection
00:53:53.809 --> 00:53:55.789
but you can also see through it and sometimes
00:53:55.789 --> 00:53:58.909
it's distorted and. The reality of the city of
00:53:58.909 --> 00:54:00.949
glass is like a reflection of the people in it
00:54:00.949 --> 00:54:03.150
even in like a very literal way like with the
00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:05.469
way the checker Graham was trying to basically
00:54:05.469 --> 00:54:09.250
change reality to make his. thesis correct by
00:54:09.250 --> 00:54:11.389
brute forcing a whole bunch of people's lives
00:54:11.389 --> 00:54:13.909
through it and have them all assume the same
00:54:13.909 --> 00:54:18.190
thing. So I'm gonna assume it's a very metaphysical
00:54:18.190 --> 00:54:21.750
themes of mirrors and distortion and change.
00:54:22.690 --> 00:54:26.750
Very, very elevated response to Isaac. That's
00:54:26.750 --> 00:54:28.809
smart. I just thought there was like geographical
00:54:28.809 --> 00:54:31.429
features that were like glassy like obsidian
00:54:31.429 --> 00:54:34.429
or I don't know. I didn't think too heavily about
00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:37.760
it. Well. Allow me to read what I have written
00:54:37.760 --> 00:55:07.260
here. a functional thing to people, but aesthetic,
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.360
meant to be looked at. Glass rarely made an appearance
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.039
in the show, but then again, using the metaphor
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.260
of an animal and a city, they often don't recognize
00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:15.219
the glass. A bird will fly right into a pane
00:55:15.219 --> 00:55:17.199
of glass, thinking it's air, it can be invisible.
00:55:17.659 --> 00:55:19.260
City of Glass could also mean a city designed
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:21.380
for glass, designed to be inhabited by glass,
00:55:21.460 --> 00:55:23.639
a city which exists to be a static, reflective
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.980
monument, not to be interacted with. And it is
00:55:25.980 --> 00:55:27.639
with the interaction with the environment that
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.099
makes glass dangerous. It can be sharp if shattered,
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:31.980
and it can make a beam of sunlight into a searing
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:34.460
gray, but really, I mostly just like the acronym
00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:37.449
C - because it's like a machine. And so I made
00:55:37.449 --> 00:55:42.230
it work. It's like a machine. He was right. Checker
00:55:42.230 --> 00:55:44.789
Graham was fucking right. He said it. We got
00:55:44.789 --> 00:55:46.909
it on film. Checker Graham's sweet. Yeah, it's
00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:49.070
actually really and I know it is like a funny
00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:51.050
punchline, but it was a lot of ways of acronym.
00:55:51.210 --> 00:55:54.309
And then I kind of just justified it on the back
00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:59.000
end. That's so fun. Beginning when we had a kind
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.500
of first started and like our impression of what
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:03.199
the city of glass actually looked like mostly
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.699
came from that fantastic picture That's kind
00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:07.719
of become like the you know, the department's
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.719
art for the season of the show. I assumed that
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.389
like At the end we were going to go to the spire
00:56:15.389 --> 00:56:18.110
and maybe climb up the spire and like in my mind
00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:20.969
I was like the area around it is going to be
00:56:20.969 --> 00:56:23.050
a city of glass like it's gonna be like buildings
00:56:23.050 --> 00:56:25.510
that are like Transparent and like as if they
00:56:25.510 --> 00:56:28.170
kind of like crystallized or fused in time or
00:56:28.170 --> 00:56:30.409
something. Yeah, the only time you really see
00:56:30.409 --> 00:56:47.969
glass is when you were in the Yeah. Hard G. Hard
00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:53.690
G. Didn't really factor into the story at all.
00:56:53.690 --> 00:56:56.090
It seemed like it I at the beginning I was like
00:56:56.090 --> 00:56:57.929
that's at the middle of the city of glass It's
00:56:57.929 --> 00:56:59.730
gonna be super important And I guess it kind
00:56:59.730 --> 00:57:02.329
of was were we riding up the train up the spire
00:57:02.329 --> 00:57:06.610
kind of in a way or was it like so You actually
00:57:06.610 --> 00:57:09.269
so like you never really interacted with the
00:57:09.269 --> 00:57:15.230
spire at all and it it's kind of As I like thought
00:57:15.230 --> 00:57:17.090
about it's like you really weren't actually even
00:57:17.090 --> 00:57:18.949
heading towards the city at the end anymore.
00:57:19.650 --> 00:57:22.079
No Like you weren't heading towards the center
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.840
anymore. You were on your own shit at that point.
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.559
Yeah. So, you know, next next campaign, maybe
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:33.440
you'll actually make it. But I thought I was
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:35.199
like, this is it. This is like the fucking linchpin
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.400
of reality. It's like, no, that's actually a
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.119
piece of paper on a typewriter. Motherfucker,
00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:42.599
you got up on some other shit. Some worse shit.
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:44.340
You know, you don't even get treasure for that
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:52.710
one. Your response questions happens. I'm out
00:57:52.710 --> 00:57:56.289
of text by the way so you guys okay to your love
00:57:56.289 --> 00:57:58.869
I have like one more little thing. The other
00:57:58.869 --> 00:58:01.369
question that I had and I think I can guess at
00:58:01.369 --> 00:58:03.769
the answer but I want to ask it anyways in I
00:58:03.769 --> 00:58:07.030
think this was also in the intro to I think is
00:58:07.030 --> 00:58:10.960
past the lips. Virgil talks about how on an expedition
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.519
he found like a thing beneath the ground and
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.860
ate its Reflective heart before he could stop
00:58:15.860 --> 00:58:18.260
itself or he like drank bile out of it Yeah,
00:58:18.260 --> 00:58:20.119
and that's what made him all fucked up and mutated
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.199
is that like something referred to elsewhere
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.559
in the disconnected world or is it just like
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.579
this is a little anecdote that maybe explains
00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:31.239
how Virgil who used to be a kind of unassuming
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:34.300
one -eyed old man became a gross monster who
00:58:34.300 --> 00:58:37.690
was immortal and all fucked up Yeah, I think
00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:39.769
uh, it was literally just an anecdote but it
00:58:39.769 --> 00:58:42.309
was also one of the I think I know I kept saying
00:58:42.309 --> 00:58:44.329
the only other time but i'm probably wrong because
00:58:44.329 --> 00:58:47.110
I it's been a bit but like that that was a creature
00:58:47.110 --> 00:58:50.369
made of glass that he ate uh, which Caused him
00:58:50.369 --> 00:58:53.909
some some issues And it made him live forever
00:58:53.909 --> 00:58:56.349
and also a similar thing happened to downfall
00:58:56.349 --> 00:58:58.469
I don't know if we talked about that on mike
00:58:58.469 --> 00:59:00.670
where like downfall was also a guy at one point
00:59:00.670 --> 00:59:02.429
and he did some fucked up shit to make himself
00:59:02.429 --> 00:59:06.599
live forever Yeah, I don't I don't know that
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.780
we ever talked because we talked about the fact
00:59:08.780 --> 00:59:11.500
that downfall was sentinel Walker who was Virgil's
00:59:11.500 --> 00:59:14.139
friend He was a an alien from space to shape
00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:16.980
shift But yeah, I don't think we talked about
00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:19.099
how I think I probably just assumed that he was
00:59:19.099 --> 00:59:21.559
already immortal Just because he wasn't him.
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.699
He wasn't moonborn. Was he? Some other thing
00:59:25.699 --> 00:59:28.559
some other thing. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah We didn't
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.099
really touch on what made downfall the way that
00:59:31.099 --> 00:59:34.679
he was but Tom This isn't even a question but
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.460
villainous showing up at the end was a treat
00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:39.380
for me because I thought he was a fun character
00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:45.559
He's the homie Mm -hmm or Klaus. Sorry not villainous
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.199
class. Well, you know, they're they're simply
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:51.010
related I didn't Don't know that villain this
00:59:51.010 --> 00:59:53.050
was even present in Klaus. This means nothing
00:59:53.050 --> 00:59:55.730
to the audience, but no no That's what I was
00:59:55.730 --> 00:59:57.250
gonna. I was like should I even bother asking
00:59:57.250 --> 01:00:00.329
this I decided not to but yeah, no I like maybe
01:00:00.329 --> 01:00:02.769
technically he was but like narratively there
01:00:02.769 --> 01:00:04.869
wasn't room for me like and this guy's actually
01:00:04.869 --> 01:00:10.269
two guys But like it's it's a different it's
01:00:10.269 --> 01:00:12.570
a different world this isn't the same characters
01:00:12.570 --> 01:00:16.670
so yeah Yeah, it's a parallel reality seen through
01:00:16.670 --> 01:00:21.179
a translucent mirror Oh, fuck. Glass is all connected.
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.139
We did it. We tied it back. I think that's all.
01:00:25.059 --> 01:00:30.440
That's all of my. Questions, my last little question
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.780
is, were there any connections or references
01:00:32.780 --> 01:00:35.320
between City of Glass and all that, you know,
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.900
that we missed or you want to tell the audience?
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:43.000
At one point. And I this is like barely remembered,
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.659
so this could just be wrong and it could have
01:00:44.659 --> 01:00:49.119
been a dream. I'm pretty sure at one point you
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.159
guys are talking about like the nature of reality
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.699
and like gods and stuff and someone basically
01:00:53.699 --> 01:00:57.119
verbatim who says what Some one of the psychic
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.179
people and all that, you know season one said
01:00:59.179 --> 01:01:01.480
about how like they are essentially just representations
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.460
of of patterns And then like they could just
01:01:05.460 --> 01:01:09.079
be X Y or Z That's I don't I barely remember
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:11.539
it. But yeah, it's like it's a I I'm using the
01:01:11.539 --> 01:01:15.059
same general logic for the two cinematic universes
01:01:16.699 --> 01:01:19.360
Like, they are connected. Like, the hungry god.
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.840
I think I may have said it off -mic, where it's
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.739
like, the hungry god in all that, you know, universe,
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.099
it would just be called hunger. You know? It's
01:01:28.099 --> 01:01:30.000
kind of the same entity, just in a different
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.579
representation. Yeah, that checks. He was so
01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:40.320
friendly. So true. Do you have any favorite NPCs
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.090
to play as this season? Favorite NPCs, and one
01:01:45.090 --> 01:01:46.690
of my big bummers about season two is that there
01:01:46.690 --> 01:01:49.309
is no way to really make a recurring NPC work.
01:01:50.389 --> 01:01:52.090
But the friendly man. The friendly man. He's
01:01:52.090 --> 01:01:54.449
the only one, really. I did love him. I loved
01:01:54.449 --> 01:01:56.909
him. I loved that he was just friendly the whole
01:01:56.909 --> 01:02:02.730
time. He's honest, I think. He's not that deep.
01:02:02.949 --> 01:02:06.190
Yes, he may have grown up in a tough neighborhood,
01:02:06.429 --> 01:02:11.239
but he's nice. Let him stay nice. He's just an
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.019
uncomplicated friendly man. Yeah. They exist.
01:02:16.420 --> 01:02:21.320
We exist. They're out there. Ladies, we exist.
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.659
Oh man, I was there! Just thought of one more
01:02:29.659 --> 01:02:33.000
was there ever any point where like you had some?
01:02:33.179 --> 01:02:35.460
Inclination to like fuck around with Ledger's
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:37.920
death or have it be like she's actually the ghost
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.980
of like this other guy Or was it always kind
01:02:39.980 --> 01:02:43.159
of just like she's just gonna be an existential
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:49.420
thing that's there and is quasi real at all Because
01:02:49.420 --> 01:02:50.820
that was what I that was something I thought
01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:55.550
you might do is like put some Thing on her anything
01:02:55.550 --> 01:02:58.389
really be whether it be like a past life or like
01:02:58.389 --> 01:03:00.789
she's actually this or that or something else
01:03:00.789 --> 01:03:02.969
You know what? I mean, I briefly toyed with the
01:03:02.969 --> 01:03:05.050
idea of having her be a parasite who's manipulating
01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:07.190
you and like there you're actually you literally
01:03:07.190 --> 01:03:10.869
are not Reborn at all. Like she's just puppeting
01:03:10.869 --> 01:03:14.929
you I was all trick And then I also considered
01:03:14.929 --> 01:03:16.849
having it be like well this kind of what happened
01:03:16.849 --> 01:03:18.670
is like she wasn't really your death She was
01:03:18.670 --> 01:03:21.130
Virgil's death. Yeah, so you could never you
01:03:21.130 --> 01:03:22.429
could never it never would have worked between
01:03:22.429 --> 01:03:29.079
you two She's not into you bro, but In the end
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.139
it was just like she's done neither your death
01:03:31.139 --> 01:03:33.179
nor Virgil's death because neither of you are
01:03:33.179 --> 01:03:35.739
Virgil at this point So that's what I ended up
01:03:35.739 --> 01:03:37.119
doing and I think that I think that's the best
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.559
one personally What if what if ledger had just
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:42.800
written on the fucking note something fully selfish
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.260
like and then ledger got to go back to his home
01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:48.440
planet and live a blissful eternity I would have
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.199
given it to you when they're still filled with
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.369
ink though No, because once you write it and
01:03:54.369 --> 01:03:56.150
hit the end it doesn't matter if the ring the
01:03:56.150 --> 01:03:58.809
ink goes over it Yeah, it's still been written
01:03:58.809 --> 01:04:02.510
down. Yeah, I think at that I think Virgil was
01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:05.710
at a headspace where he couldn't have done something
01:04:05.710 --> 01:04:07.809
like that because I think probably he maybe even
01:04:07.809 --> 01:04:10.590
assumed At the end that his death wasn't real.
01:04:10.670 --> 01:04:12.849
Like I think he just assumed that it was all
01:04:14.949 --> 01:04:17.489
Production put on for his benefit and in a way
01:04:17.489 --> 01:04:21.230
and it was Look at that Zach gets gets forced
01:04:21.230 --> 01:04:26.349
into the protagonist pans yet again I can't keep
01:04:26.349 --> 01:04:29.710
my fucking mouth shut It was just talk to damn
01:04:29.710 --> 01:04:33.070
much. It was No, Joseph is the protagonist of
01:04:33.070 --> 01:04:36.090
season one. That's true. He's Joseph is the and
01:04:36.090 --> 01:04:40.849
or of all that, you know, can we just say it?
01:04:43.929 --> 01:04:46.309
when he hits his own show, it's like, holy shit,
01:04:46.510 --> 01:04:49.829
maybe this media property isn't cooked. Yeah.
01:04:50.750 --> 01:04:53.010
Good guy. All right. Serious question. Then who's
01:04:53.010 --> 01:05:00.329
the Max Rebo? Robin. Thank you. That's the next
01:05:00.329 --> 01:05:02.250
guy died right in the sale bars. You blew up.
01:05:03.369 --> 01:05:06.690
He died. I don't know, Robin. Robin is unfortunately
01:05:06.690 --> 01:05:08.929
alive. I think he left to another world with
01:05:08.929 --> 01:05:10.670
everyone else in that season. He's an angel.
01:05:11.389 --> 01:05:17.869
He's an angel I don't send me to hell What happens
01:05:17.869 --> 01:05:24.869
like I don't want to be there It's terrible man,
01:05:24.869 --> 01:05:30.110
it's really oh he's really bad I Guess my real
01:05:30.110 --> 01:05:32.949
real for real last final question is Colin. What
01:05:32.949 --> 01:05:35.949
can your how what can your adoring public expect
01:05:35.949 --> 01:05:39.170
from you in the future? What if they can't get
01:05:39.170 --> 01:05:41.909
enough? If you can't get enough of me, I will
01:05:41.909 --> 01:05:45.030
be selling feet pictures for $20 a pop per toe.
01:05:46.250 --> 01:05:47.989
I was about to say that's a steal, but now I'm
01:05:47.989 --> 01:05:50.570
not so sure. Well, you can ask for one toe if
01:05:50.570 --> 01:05:53.409
you're not greedy. Friend discount, baby? Friend
01:05:53.409 --> 01:05:57.650
discount? I'm not physically capable of stopping
01:05:57.650 --> 01:05:59.250
creative output because I think I have a sick
01:05:59.250 --> 01:06:02.130
brain and I'll never be happy. I've been working
01:06:02.130 --> 01:06:04.889
on some video essays by video games on YouTube.
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.159
Which I'm currently working on some, as well
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.920
as the retrospective for this video. This project.
01:06:12.619 --> 01:06:15.000
I will link that in the description. Cranberries
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.280
on YouTube. I'm also finishing up making my own
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:20.159
tabletop RPG, which I hope to get out this year,
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.059
but I said that last year too, so I'm not gonna
01:06:22.059 --> 01:06:27.219
put any dates on that at all. I'm gonna put links
01:06:27.219 --> 01:06:30.800
in the description to my socials, the show's
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.000
socials, and then of course Adam has a YouTube
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.610
channel. Do have a YouTube channel you like Sonic
01:06:37.610 --> 01:06:48.110
the Hedgehog It's got good feats check him out
01:06:48.110 --> 01:06:52.550
his levels got it I'll put that in the description
01:06:52.550 --> 01:06:56.070
as well Brian I don't believe you have anything
01:06:56.070 --> 01:06:58.210
to sell promo. Would you like me to post your
01:06:58.210 --> 01:07:01.349
name and address in the episode description?
01:07:05.309 --> 01:07:09.550
We're not working and 2026 we're not working
01:07:09.550 --> 01:07:13.449
Zach you're welcome to promo anything if you
01:07:13.449 --> 01:07:16.230
have anything to promo as well. I don't know.
01:07:16.230 --> 01:07:20.210
This is my this is my one gig And it's going
01:07:20.210 --> 01:07:24.000
away We used to build things in this country.
01:07:24.659 --> 01:07:31.539
If you want a man to do funny voices for your
01:07:31.539 --> 01:07:33.440
podcast show, hit me up. But also I don't have
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.840
any social media, so you'll have to dox me and
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:40.059
come to my house. I'm his agent. I take 15 percent.
01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:43.179
You can come. That's actually pretty reasonable.
01:07:43.539 --> 01:07:45.659
Yes, actually, that was you stole kind of like
01:07:45.659 --> 01:07:47.659
half of my closing out section, which was self
01:07:47.659 --> 01:07:51.369
-promos. That's done. If you want to talk about
01:07:51.369 --> 01:07:54.650
the show or anything else, I've linked my socials
01:07:54.650 --> 01:07:57.170
and everyone else who's willing to have socials.
01:07:57.349 --> 01:07:59.730
And if you don't have social media, you are the
01:07:59.730 --> 01:08:03.690
best of us. And I respect you greatly. But yeah,
01:08:03.690 --> 01:08:07.889
I'm always happy to talk about things. And if
01:08:07.889 --> 01:08:10.510
you guys have anything to say before we say goodbye,
01:08:10.829 --> 01:08:14.130
now is your chance. Thank you. So great playing
01:08:14.130 --> 01:08:17.250
with you guys. Yeah. Thanks to the audience.
01:08:21.209 --> 01:08:23.949
Thanks for giving a shit about this funny world
01:08:23.949 --> 01:08:27.590
and I I've had an incredible time and thank you
01:08:27.590 --> 01:08:30.989
calling for all the fucking work you put in cuz
01:08:30.989 --> 01:08:33.510
Obviously none of this would have happened if
01:08:33.510 --> 01:08:36.550
you hadn't so thank you sincerely. It was a huge
01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:40.710
labor I'm not even gonna be humble. It was a
01:08:40.710 --> 01:08:45.489
lot of fucking work Once again, thank you all
01:08:45.489 --> 01:08:48.800
for listened everyone who played I'm glad that
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.560
so many people enjoyed the show or at least found
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.020
it interesting enough to get to the end Thanks
01:08:54.020 --> 01:08:56.020
to everyone who wrote a think piece about the
01:08:56.020 --> 01:08:58.420
episode, which is one person her mentioned it
01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:01.579
on social media. That's really awesome and Just
01:09:01.579 --> 01:09:06.159
one last thing before we go one more thing High
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:18.479
guard is available now It's been canceled Conclusion?
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:22.399
Sparkle on D .Va. There we go. That's it. That's
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:24.159
the one. That's the end. That's the last calling
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:25.079
thing Colin ever said.