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cool guest. His name is Mike Schiff, and he put
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together an amazing documentary called the History of Metal and Horror.
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I've seen it. It's amazing. It's featuring people such as
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Wednesday thirteen, Rob Zombie, John Carpenter, Chris Jericho, and so
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many more. You'll see members of Anthrax, Metallica, and if
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you are a music fan, if you are a horror
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movie fan, or if you're like most of us out
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here who listen to this podcast, you love both. This
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is a really fun interview and so we dig into that,
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we do a lightning round, we talk about working on
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the Howard Stern Show, and so much more. So stick
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All right, so, Mike. The first thing I want to
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do before we even get started is just say thanks
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for being here. I really appreciate your time.
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Yeah, man, thanks for having me. It's good to meet you,
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and look forward to our conversation.
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Yeah, you are actually involved with and uh into everything
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that I am, so this should be very interesting. But
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I got to ask this first, just because it's like
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a chicken or the egg thing, So like what came
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first for you, the horror or the metal?
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The horror easily, yeah, yeah, yeah, my uh, my dad
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was a huge horror fan and uh so you know,
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at home, it was always you know, whatever movies were
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on Sunday, you know, would watch the old Universal films
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and my dad was a huge hammer hammer House of
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horror fan, so he would, uh could always be watching
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those at home whenever they come on. So, like Curse
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of Frankenstin was his favorite movie of all time, so
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he'd be watching that, and of course I'd see it
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and then I get exposed to the whole thing. So
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I got I got involved very early on. Uh probably
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it's early as maybe the late seventies, you know, and
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then in the eighties of course, once uh once VHS
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was available. Then it was just you know, end of story.
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I was just watch just renting on dollar date at
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the video store on Sundays, I'd be renting five horror
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movies every single week. Just oh so yeah, so yeah.
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So like early mid eighties is when it really took
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off for me, and then for metal it didn't really
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you know, I wasn't like much of a music fan
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until maybe the nineties. You know, in the eighties, I was,
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you know, kind of getting into it, you know, I
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think the first soundtrack I bought was like the Lost
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Boys soundtrack, and then I started buying scores to a
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lot of films, like the elm Street films, buying the
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scores and then buying the soundtracks, and I got exposed
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to a lot of music there, but but didn't really
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get into metal until maybe like the early to mid nineties.
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Oh wow, okay, cool, But it sounds to me like
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you started off in horror movies with all of the classics,
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which is the best way to do it. And you know,
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much like myself. I heard you drop like the Hammer
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Horror in the Universal and those are still my favorites, like,
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no matter how many movies have come out since then,
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it's like you got to go back and watch those
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like those classics from the fifties, sixties, you know, and
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even even prior to.
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That, you know, yeah, yeah, for sure, no, and it's good.
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It's good too because it's you know, of course, especially
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if you're a little kid, you don't want to be
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exposed to the really you know, hardcore, you know type
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of horror right away. You want to kind of gradually
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get into it. So watching the original Dracula of Frankenstein
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is is sort of a good warm up to not
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to not be traumatized, like, okay, maybe a little spooky,
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you know, you're not used to it and everything, but
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you know, jumping straight into even even just the scary
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your stuff like The Exorcist at our early age is
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kind of kind of rough. And you know, I definitely
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said very early than I needed to, but and it
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was a TV version so it wasn't as as brutal.
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But yeah, you know, definitely getting started on the milder
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stuff is a way to go.
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Yeah, absolutely, And I think The Exorcist is still one
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of the scariest movies of all time in my opinion too.
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Yeah, absolutely, one of the scariest films ever made so
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for for my listeners who are not familiar.
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The reason I started with that question is because of
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your documentary The History of Metal and Horror, And so
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you said horror came first. You got into metal like
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late eighties, early nineties, So when did you you know,
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did one kind of trigger the other? Like, Oh, I
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love horror movies and these soundtracks are so good that
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now I like metal music.
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Is that what happened? Kind of a little bit like that, Yeah,
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it was, you know, I wasn't just a big music
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fan in general. Uh, you know, outside of horror film scores,
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which is what I was really into at that time, Musically,
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I didn't really get into you know, even just Uh.
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I was like a big Prince fan in the eighties, right,
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that was like, you know towards I think the bat
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The Batman soundtrack was the first one. My dad was
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a huge Prince fan too. I think he had a
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huge influence on, you know, in every aspect of the
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entertainment that I was into, not metal though he definitely
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didn't like metal. Uh, but yeah, so I was. I
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was like a big Prince fan. And then my cousin
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got was a huge metal fan in the eighties, so
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he was always listening to Metallica and Anthrax and Metal
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and Slayer and all that kind of stuff. I didn't
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really get it at that time. And then he started
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introducing me to grunge and I got into Nirvana and
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those kind of bands, and then I think that was
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sort of my warm up for the heavier type of stuff,
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and then I started catching up. I'm the Metallica and
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the Slayer and the Anthrax and all that stuff. Then
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I kind of became a metal head, you know, throughout
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the nineties into the early two thousands. So it was
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kind of a slow process, but that's that's all kind
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of how it started. So I really credit my cousin,
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my cousin Peter from from Finland where we used to
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go to every summer, for introducing me to Basically I
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wouldn't be into metal if not for him. I think,
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you know, you got me into it.
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So where do you Where do you get the idea, like, Okay,
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I'm going to make a documentary. I'm going to put
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these things together. And by the way, I have seen
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the documentary and it's absolutely phenomenal. So anybody who hasn't
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yet seen it, please see it. Because it's it's seriously
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so good I couldn't stop.
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Thank you so much. Yeah, well, basically the backstory is
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I I had worked for the Howard Stern Show for
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about a year, and I was working for his TV department,
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and through there became really good friends with Richard Christie
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you know who of course, you know, loves metal and
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horror and he's heavily involved in both. He has a
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band charge Walls of the Damned, you know, so I
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shot two music videos for him. He connected me with
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a guy named Sean McEwan who brought me on board
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to shoot, co direct and edit a music video for Fozzy.
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So I started kind of building these relationships early on.
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Then Richard introduced me to my now friend and producer
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on the documentary, Rob Lucas, who was also very very
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heavily involved the horror scene, you know mostly, but also
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the you know, the metal scene as well. So like
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Tom Savini's best friend, he's friends with all those guys.
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He ran the convention circuit for years, so he's just
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got the best relationship with Doug Bradley and Kane Hotter
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and all those guys. Yeah, so he's also pretty friendly
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with Kirk Hamick from Metallic and Kirk was putting on
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his own horror convention in twenty fourteen, Kirk Hammisphere FESTI Evil.
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So what he wanted to do was put together a
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show that combined his two favorite things, which were metal
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and horror. So he invited all of his metal friends
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and all his horror friends and people that he idolized,
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and he put on this amazing show for a weekend.
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We brought everything together and they were live bands performing
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and just like horror everywhere panels and artwork and displays.
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So after the weekend, I realized that, you know, there
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was this Obviously we know that there's a strong connection
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between metal and horror for you know, for years, but
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no one's made a documentary on it yet. So I figured, well,
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you know, with all the people that we know, it's
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probably won't be too hard to actually start filming some
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interviews and putting together together a documentary. So that's kind
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of how it all came about. And so we started
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to put together a list of all the people we
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wanted to interview, and of course we started with the
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people that we already knew, because we could just make
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a phone call and you know, get him to be
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involved with it, or go to the convention floor and
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just like go from table to the table and tell
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them what we're doing. Chris Jericho was my first interview
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because I already knew him from shooting the Fazzy video.
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So went from there and then it was just like
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interview after interview after interview, and then of course, you know,
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once I got people like Alice Cooper involved, then it
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just went crazy from there. Then you know, so many
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different artists wanted to be involved with it, and next
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thing you know, I have about sixty five interviews in
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the documentary.
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Wow.
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So yeah, that's that's the base of the story of it.
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And there's some pretty amazing people that you've interviewed, and
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some of them have actually been on my show as well.
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Wednesday thirteen and Michael Berryman and and you know, I
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the first thing you just named draft Chris jerichos and
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now I need to like navigate into that. As a
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guy who's a metal head in you know, making rock
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music and as a pro wrestler like myself, I immediately
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hear Jericho and I'm like, okay, so were you a
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wrestling fan or is this all directly linked to Fazzi.
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It was all fazzy. Yeah, okay, I you know, I
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mean I was, I was. I enjoyed the wrestling again
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like in the eighties with Hull Hogan and Andrea and
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all that kind of stuff. I didn't really get into it.
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I didn't keep up with it after that. But yeah,
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with with Chris, it was through Fozzy basically. That's how uh,
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that's how the relationship started, and that's how we were
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able to keep in touch. So I just I saw
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that his band was performing at the Grammar Scene Manhattan,
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and I said, hey, you know, we're local. I'd love
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to come down and shoot your interview for this thing.
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He was totally down with it, and that's how it happened.
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So yeah, So and I we've been in touch over
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the years, and he interviewed me on his podcast and
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that's one of the great things about having worked on
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this is sort of developing these friendships with a lot
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of people that I really admire.
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So yeah, so before we, you know, keep talking about
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these different things here, can we just let everybody know
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where they could watch the documentary?
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Yeah, I mean, the quickest way to get all the
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information is go to Metal Horror Dot com and then
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you'll find links to you know, where you can buy it.
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Of course, if you buy directly, I make more money.
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So so I definitely reckoned and everyone do that. But
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but yeah, so I have it on DVD, Blu Ray.
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I have the brand new four disc Deluxe edition which
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came out this year, that has the original Blu Ray
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soundtrack disc from the band Night to the Black cooprovided
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the soundtrack to the film, and two extra Blu Ray
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discs that have over twenty hours of interview footage that
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didn't make the original cut, and a booklet and nice
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you know, magnetic box and everything. So that's that's only
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available on my site right now, but it's also available
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in streaming. It's on Vimeo, it's on Amazon, it's pretty
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much wherever we could find it. And I also just
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released a on Vimeo. Every complete interview is now available
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to stream as well. So if you you know, in
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the in the documentary have maybe a minute, a full
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minute or two of Alice Cooper's interview, but I interviewed
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him for about forty five minutes, So why wait, you know,
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why let all that interview go to waste so they
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can get into Deluxe edition, or they can go on
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the Vimeo page and just you know, rent that one
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particular interview, or rent the whole set or whatever they
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like to do. So everything's now out there and available,
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So no bit of material from an interview went to
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waste at all.
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So with all these people that you interviewed, I believe
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you said about sixty five interviews, is there anybody who
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you talked to that you maybe didn't hear about beforehand
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or weren't that big of a fan of but now
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after talking to them, you're like, oh my god, I
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checked out their music and they're really great.
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I wasn't too familiar with Ghosts at that time. Remember
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big shows at that time, so they had a fan base.
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They had been around for a bit, but I wasn't
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too familiar with them. And then I think it was
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Bill phil Putt, who does a lot of conventions. He
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was working with the band when they were in LA,
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you know, helped them out with some tour stuff, and
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he mentioned that he was going to be at the show,
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and he suggested I come down and do an interview
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with Tobias, and I wasn't really familiar, you know, too much.
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of course before the interview, and I was like, wow,
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these guys are are pretty cool. So we did the interview.
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Tobias was fantastic. We had to call him name of
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School at the time. I had to credit him that
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way in the documentary because that at that time, you know,
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they wanted to keep the big mystery going. They didn't
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want to know, you know, they didn't want people to know.
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of the name of school masks and everything, so you
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couldn't really tell. But all the fans who knew him
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knew who it was once his voice and everything. So
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he was awesome, great to talk to. And then I
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stayed to watch the performance in la and it was
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just blown away and then I became a ghost fan
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ever since. So that would definitely be an example of
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you know, some a band that I wasn't familiar with
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that I definitely followed after the fact.
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Now, keeping in theme of the documentary here still for
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a minute, when I was a kid, I remember thinking
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how cool it was to hear like doc and doing
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Dream Warriors or you know Alice Cooper Friday thirteenth Part six.
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Is there a certain song or band that you really
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got into because you heard them in a movie?
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Friday Thirteenth Part six. Yeah, I did, you know? The
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songs that that that were in there always stuck in
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my head, and I think I became more familiar with
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Alice after watching that. So but yeah, and you know
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docin you know, from from Elm Street three and everything.
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I'm sure there's more. I'll probably think it's some more
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along the way, but yeah, those are some some examples.
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Yeah, it seemed that even into the late nineties, when
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you're when you're talking like Scream two and three and
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those kind of soundtracks, that's when you started to see
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those new metal bands really like being these soundtracks from
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start to finish. You're you're looking at like Corn and
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Slipp Knot and Wednesday thirteen and and bands like that
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that are coming along. So it really never metal and
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horror really never separated like it started so long ago,
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and it actually started growing the more time went on.
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I mean, would you agree with that?
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean the the you know,
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if you watch the film we covered so Dell Housen
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as a writer, and he did an amazing job just
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doing you know, his own research and bringing a lot
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of history of the early connection. You know. So there's
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like a film called Terror on Tour, which was probably
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like the first metal horror film, which came out in
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nineteen eighty I believe, and then after that there was
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you know, a couple of more Alex Cooper of Monster Dog,
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there was you know, of course Trick or Treat, which
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is like, you know, the biggest like metal and horror
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film ever, which everyone still still remembers, and we have
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a special segment in the documentary just kind of talking
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about that because it was so important. But yeah, so
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that those those were the films that kind of started
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early on, and then then it always kind of it
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was always there. I mean it because it just metal
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just worked so well with with aggressive horror films, and
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you got to be careful with it. I mean, you
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could definitely overdo it. You can bring a lot of
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metal into a horror film where it doesn't really fit
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and it takes away from the sort of the mood
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of it, Yeah, the horror itself. So it's got to
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be done in a way that you know, it kind
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of makes sense. So it's not just you know, if
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it fits. If the horror film actually has sort of
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like a metal vibe to it, or you know, like
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a film like death Gasm that's sort of made to have,
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you know, a metal element to it, it makes total sense,
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you know, and it gets if it's a little silly,
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then yeah, it's totally fine. Yeah, but you wouldn't want
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to put necessarily like a metal soundtrack over like The
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Exorcist or something it It wouldn't work that way.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree with that. Now my
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next question is about so you you mentioned in the
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eighties how you got, you know, really into it with
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you know, VHS and all that, and something that happened
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in the eighties was the big satanic panic when it
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came to metal music and things like that. I think
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that only helped to fuel metal being involved in uh
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in horror movies and almost made it kind of the
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reverse effect. It was, it kind of made metal even
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come into the mainstream a little bit more. Would you
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do you think you would agree with that.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's uh, whenever you start banning stuff,
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whenever you start putting warning labels on things, it just
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you know, makes sales to start the spike because people,
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you know, people especially want that. You know, when they
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were whenever there was a clean version of an album
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or an explicit version, everyone always put the explicit version.
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No one wants a clean album, and yeah, so it's
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the same with horror. Everyone wants to you know, the
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most uncut version that you can get because you want
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to see everything. So yeah, so there was a sort
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of camaraderie between metal and horror fans where they just
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they wanted the most extreme stuff. They didn't want to
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be told no, and if they were, then it was like, oh,
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well I really got to check it out because it's
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got to be a reason why they're keeping it from
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us and right freak people out, you know. So that's
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why you started getting warning labels and things, and you
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started getting the satanic panics stuff, and in the UK,
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you know, they had the video Nasty Thing. We're all like,
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all these horror films like Evil Dead were just banned.
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I mean, you couldn't even find it if you were
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lucky to get it to you know, get a copy somewhere.
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It's like, oh my god, I got a cup of
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Evil Dead. Now it's like you're struggling to find Evil Dead.
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Like that doesn't even make any sense, right, You just
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find everything online or whatever you want to watch whatever
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you want. It's just like there. But back in those days,
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and that was kind of kind of exciting in a
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way to have something that was just so forbidden, you
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know that you had to kind of seek it out
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in a way.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now we we keep talking about metal, metal, metal,
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But I got to ask this too, because there are
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different genres of metal and I'm a huge hair metal guy.
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I know Chris Jericho is too. Are you also into
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the hair metal scene or are you leaning more towards
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the Slayers and the Metallica's, the Anthrax?
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Yeah, a little bit more into the uh, you know,
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the non hair metal bands. Okay, I mean I think
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there there's music from like so many bands that that
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I love no matter what I mean. I would even
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say Guns n' Roses could be considered like a hair
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metal band, you know, back in the in the eighties. Yeah,
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I like guns and Roses, you know, I like that
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kind of stuff, and even yeah, I mean there are
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tons of bands you know that that were around. There
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were metal bands that that have some songs that I like,
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but yeah, i'd be more into you know, the thrash
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you know, kind of kind of metal bands from from
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that era.
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Okay, So who if I asked you would be your
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mount rushmore of these of those type of metal bands.
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I mean the classic you know, it's you always kind
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of go back to the classics like Metallica and Slayer.
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I mean, I think they were just so influential and
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even to see them today, I mean I'll go to
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Metallica show today and just still be blown away, you know,
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by you know, by their songs from Who the Belts?
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From Who the Bell Tolls? You know, still like my
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favorite Metallica track, and whenever they play that, it's just like,
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you know, just amazing, amazing to hear it. If I
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go to a Slayer show, which of course I haven't
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done in the years, but just that that raw energy,
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that power, you know of them, these guys still playing
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songs that they that they've been playing for so many years.
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It's just amazing. So yeah, all of those bands, you know,
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the Sabbath, you know, I love early Sabbath stuff of course,
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and those guys really invented the metal genre in a
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way and brought a lot of horror into the music
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that influenced so many bands after that. I love early
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Maiden stuff, you know, like the first two albums are
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my favorite. So yeah, you know, I think and I've
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discovered a lot of a lot of stuff along the way,
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especially working on this film with people that I've interviewed,
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I was like, let me go back and kind of
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check this out. Let me check out a little bit
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more Megadeath. Maybe I wasn't as big of a Megadeth
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fan back in the day, but now I'm like, oh yeah,
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megado has got a lot of amazing songs. Now I'm
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kind of like a Megadeth fan too.
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So yeah, and this this question might even be a
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little bit tougher for you. But how about the mount
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rushmore of horror movies?
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Yeah, it's you know, I put the horror films in
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sort of like different kinds of categories because you have
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the classics the same same as like you know, Metallic
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and Slay would be the classic metal bands. For me,
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it's the same as most people would say it would
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be you know, The Shining, the Extorcist, those types of films,
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because they're just they were so well made. I mean
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not only were they were they scary, but just cinematography
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was fantastic, the environment was amazing. They're just like I
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would say, those are like perfect horror films, you know,
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where you can't really point to and say, oh, that's
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stout stupid or that sucked or whatever. It's like from
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beginning to end, like they're they're amazing, and then there's
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there's like more obscure stuff, you know, I was talking
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about some of the even with John Carpenter films. You know,
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it's like outside of Halloween. I might love the Halloween
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series there, the early one and uh of course Prince
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of Darkness, the thing. Those are classics, of course, but
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I can get a little bit more abstract with In
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the Mouth of Madness, you know, yeah, which is which
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is one of my favorite horror films and uh now
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a lot of people know about it, it didn't really
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make it as big as some of the other ones.
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But for me, you know, I love that sort of
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theme of you know, I'm a huge like fan of surrealism. So,
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you know, David Lynch is probably my favorite director of
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all time, and I got to spend some time with
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him over the years, which which was great. But any
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kind of horror film that has surrealism in it is really,
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you know, something I like a lot. So I think
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In the Mouth of Mann has had some of that
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kind of like distortion of reality. Where as the film
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goes on, you know, we lose more sense of like
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what's real and what's not and reality gets the storied.
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And I love that kind of kind of theme to
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a horror film. So I'd eventually like to make more
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stuff like that, more narrative films myself.
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Well, let's stay on that topic for a second. As
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far as you're just your career in general, because you
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do have a lot of credits under your name, And
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when did you realize that you wanted to even be
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involved in show business movies, writing, directing, producing, anything like that,
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Like when did it hit you like this is this
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is what I want to do?
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When I was thirteen, I think, oh wow, yeah, Well
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we uh in my junior high school in the Bronx,
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we actually were very lucky to have an art program
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that had animation in it, so they taught us pixelation
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and claymation, so those that was the first time that
478
00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.880
I really got to play around with that type of stuff.
479
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And then me and my two friends, we we created
480
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.680
some like really wild crazy stuff, like I think our
481
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.079
big project for the class was a playmation of Bart
482
00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.880
Simpson killing Freddy Krueger and Jason or something like that.
483
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.480
So it was very it was very bloody. It was
484
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.480
wild and crazy, and I think that was the first
485
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.519
time that I really got into, you know, creating the
486
00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.119
stuff and not just being a fan of it. I
487
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:01.519
was a fan at that point already, but but that was,
488
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:03.039
you know, that was something I was really into. And
489
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.240
probably around the same time, it's actually when I when
490
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:10.920
I was doing special effects makeup in junior high. So wow, yeah,
491
00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.200
so I started. I started doing that really early on,
492
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.559
and that was that was actually my first career choice
493
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.119
of what I wanted to do. I wanted to get
494
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.799
in special effects. You know, I was a huge Tomsovini fan.
495
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.000
He was my guy. I'd waited in line, you know,
496
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.119
forever to get an autograph and now him and I
497
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.720
friends were getting sandwiches and cats a deli in Manhattan,
498
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you know. So yeah, that's like that's another crazy, crazy thing.
499
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.519
But uh yeah, so so that was a big special
500
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.240
effects guy. I was bringing in all kinds of like
501
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.559
bloody stuff to class. I think at Valentine's Day and
502
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.079
ninth grade, I brought in a Valentine's Day chocolate box
503
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.039
and I have the girls open it up and there'll
504
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.160
be a bloody beating heart inside. So I was I
505
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.200
was that kid, you know, that was That's what I
506
00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.359
was into. Uh but yeah, so I started then I
507
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.400
did that, did the animation, and then in high school,
508
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:57.839
they actually had an amazing program that John F. Kennedy
509
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and the Bronx also dad, you know, video production classes.
510
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.200
So I got to learn, you know, some about lighting
511
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.839
and cameras, regular film production class and also horror film
512
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:12.960
history class, which was unheard of, you know, especially you'd
513
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.519
never think that have something like that in the Bronx,
514
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.319
especially like a horror film history class, but they did.
515
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:20.319
And of course I used everything my hand, you know,
516
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:22.920
the teacher would ask me, ask the class questions about hey,
517
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.680
so what and what movie did this then that happen,
518
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.160
and in my hand was just up all the times,
519
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.319
like I know this, I know that, you know, it's uh,
520
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:31.680
it was just it was so easy for me, and
521
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.680
I loved it because it was everything that that I
522
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.480
was into. So but yeah, so so in high school
523
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.880
then I really started getting into writing. I started the
524
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.920
teacher started having me write scripts for the for the
525
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.400
final film classes, and uh, you know was and I
526
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.440
actually I was writing comedy. So I did like this
527
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.119
comedy Terminator film Erminator was T two was big at
528
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.960
that time, so I did kind of a spoof on that.
529
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.119
And then in college, of course, is when I really
530
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.880
got into more production, like learning it, I don't know,
531
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.920
professional level the college thing, and then got into the
532
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.880
field and started was freelancing and working here and then
533
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.799
eventually getting the job at the Stern Show, which really
534
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.559
you don't help make things take off, you know at
535
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:15.359
that point.
536
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:16.880
So where do you go from there? You get the
537
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.319
job with Howard Stern, and then where does your career
538
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.319
take you after that? What was the next door that opens?
539
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.880
So after that that show ended in twenty thirteen, Howard
540
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.640
didn't want to do the TV thing anymore, so He's like,
541
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.720
all right, bye bye Howard TV. And that was the
542
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.839
end of that. But it also started happening around the
543
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.720
time when you know, when I met Rob Lucas, my
544
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.720
friend who kind of really brought me into the business,
545
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.440
and him and I first really started talking at the
546
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.400
Metallica show at the Apollo, which my friend Richard Christy
547
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:49.880
got me a ticket to. So that was that was amazing,
548
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.519
and that's when we really started talking. And he told
549
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.920
me that he was working on a Thompsonvini documentary and
550
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:57.880
they could use an extra hand if I want to
551
00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.799
come on to camera work. I was like, yeah, of course.
552
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.920
That's how the relationship with Tom started growing, and and
553
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:05.920
then it just you know, kind of took off from there,
554
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.839
and then the documentary happened, and then Rob brought me
555
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.960
on board to do camera work and edit two of
556
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.720
John Carpenter's music videos a couple of years back. So
557
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:17.799
and I got to work with John Carpenter. I mean,
558
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.279
how crazy is that? Right? Wow. At the same time,
559
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:25.720
I was also working with the David Lynch Foundation. They
560
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.240
teach transcendental meditation and had I was actually working on
561
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:31.920
trying to get David booked as a guest on The
562
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.759
Stern Show because Howard also meditates. The interview didn't happen,
563
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.480
but I did manage to get Howard to speak at
564
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.240
the David Lynch Foundation's event at Radio City in two
565
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.200
thousand and nine. So that was like a huge thing
566
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.359
for them because once Howard, you know, started talking about
567
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.640
TM on a show, their phones just blew up and
568
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:53.440
everyone was like, oh my god, Howard is into this.
569
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.640
Like he's you know, cynical about everything, but if he's
570
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.359
into it, it's got to be legit. So that huge,
571
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.119
huge influx of people wanted to do TM once Howard
572
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.160
got involved in Because of that, I got in there
573
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.440
good graces and I still do work for them to
574
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.920
this very day. But but yeah, they got me to
575
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.720
spend some time with with David Lynch, my favorite director
576
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.200
of all time. And wow, go to his house. I
577
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.519
spent some time with him there to just hang out
578
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.599
and everything. That was just that was awesome. And that
579
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.440
was that was an amazing experience because when I didn't
580
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.160
really I just had the address, you know, and I
581
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.240
drove to the house and and I pull up and
582
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.720
I'm like I'm looking around. I was like, this is
583
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.160
the house from the Loss Highway. Holy shit, you know.
584
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.599
So so he had bought that house. Uh, and then
585
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.400
he bought the house next to it. So so the
586
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.200
Lost Highway house he turned mostly into like a recording studio,
587
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.240
so you go there, it's like all audio recording stuff
588
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.880
and everything. And then he kind of lived in the
589
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.160
house store and he had his art studio and everything.
590
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.119
So that was that was amazing. That was an amazing thing.
591
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.720
So yeah, so a lot of these things started kind
592
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.559
of branching out, but it all came from the Stearn Show.
593
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.359
Without the show, like, none of this would have happened.
594
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.079
I don't know where i'd be right now. Wow, But
595
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.359
but yeah, that's that's kind of where it happened. And yeah,
596
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.799
now I'm still building relationships. I'm still coming up with
597
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.000
different ideas for shows and the projects that I want
598
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.279
to do. So I'm still kind of holding on to
599
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.640
those relationships that I made over the years to try
600
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.759
to branch out into even more stuff.
601
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.039
Now, are there any project or project ideas that you
602
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.400
have that you could tell us about. I don't want
603
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.359
you to spoil anything that you're not ready to talk about,
604
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.359
but if there is something that you'd like to throw
605
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.400
out there, can we hear about it?
606
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:39.400
Hmm, that's a good question. There are two TV shows
607
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.680
type projects that I'm working on right now. I can't
608
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.839
really talk about it yet. Nothing nothing concrete, so I
609
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.400
don't want to. I don't want to jinx it. But
610
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.079
but I do have people involved who want to who
611
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.440
want to work on it with me, So I think once,
612
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.799
once we actually get stuff shot, then I can probably
613
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.000
talk about it. At that point on that Uh yeah,
614
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:01.599
I mean I'm always writing, you know, I'm trying to.
615
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.880
I'm writing a new screenplay right now, so I'd like
616
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.160
to hopefully get that into production at some point. And
617
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.559
uh yeah, well, I mean one thing I probably can
618
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.759
talk about since we actually signed a deal for next year,
619
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.880
we're actually going to be releasing a coffee table book
620
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.720
on the history of metal and horror, So, uh, you know,
621
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.720
company reached out. They they've done books for a Savini
622
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.240
Kane Hotter uh AMNC if they you know, they reached
623
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.759
out and said that they love the artwork and the
624
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.000
documentary and everything, they want to do a coffee table book.
625
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.000
So wow, within the next year we're going to be
626
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.079
working on the on the coffee table book, which is
627
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.200
that's that's cool, which is something I'm very excited about
628
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.640
because the stuff they put together is amazing. Uh. They
629
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.359
did a coffee table book for the In Search of
630
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:54.319
Darkness series, which is fantastic, very thorough, amazing artwork, hardcover
631
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.279
books and everything. So so that's that's something we just
632
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:58.960
signed a deal line, so I guess I could technically
633
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.119
talk about it. Oh, that's actually and so sometime next
634
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.519
year that should be released.
635
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.039
So do you ever go out to like horror conventions
636
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.279
stuff like that to promote and like stell the Blu
637
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:11.799
rays and DVDs and all that stuff.
638
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.319
Yeah, I've done a few over the last two years.
639
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:20.200
So yeah, I've done shows in Connecticut and Jersey, New
640
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.319
York pretty much, mostly local. It's kind of hard to
641
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.920
travel these days, especially you know, wife and two kids
642
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.319
at home. It's hard to get away for full weekends,
643
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.240
especially with the two year old running around tearing the
644
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.920
place apart. So it's sure, but if it's local, I mean,
645
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.160
we just did one. I've moved out to Long Island
646
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.359
in August, so they had a convention out here a
647
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.119
couple of months ago. So that was easy because I
648
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.200
was able to just be there in twenty minutes, do
649
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.200
a show, come back at the end of the night,
650
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.880
and do the same thing for two days, So I'll
651
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.440
do some shows. I've sold the DVDs and Blu rays
652
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.559
and posters and everything at a couple of shows. I'll
653
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.279
probably put that on hold, I think until the book
654
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.680
comes out, because I don't have a new product that
655
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.920
I can that I can sell. So yeah, you know,
656
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.720
conventions are tough. I mean it's it's some are kind
657
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.359
of hit or miss. You never know how how good
658
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.519
they're going to be and how much how much money
659
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.640
you're going to make and stuff. So I try not
660
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.559
to do too many unless I'm really sure that I'm
661
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.559
going to kind of at least at the very least
662
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.880
break even and make some good contacts while i'm there, right,
663
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.799
because there's there's been some shows that were like total
664
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.079
losses just because the attendance wasn't that good or the
665
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.519
networking opportunities weren't great. So I've been very selective. But yeah,
666
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:35.160
I've done a couple and it's a lot of fun.
667
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.400
You know. I love seeing friends. I love seeing people
668
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.519
that I've interviewed in the film, like give them copies.
669
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.839
And that's awesome. And here's just like a dream question
670
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.759
for you. If you could go back in time and
671
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.279
you could produce one horror movie that already exists. Which
672
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:52.160
one would you pick?
673
00:32:53.720 --> 00:33:03.039
M Wow, I don't know. Maybe ye, maybe a Raserhead.
674
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.839
I think I'll be involved with that. You know, people
675
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.759
don't think, don't necessarily think that that's a horror film,
676
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.720
but if you really watch it, like that's a scary movie.
677
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.880
There's some creepy stuff going out of that movie. So
678
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.440
I would definitely put that in the horror you know,
679
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.160
the horror genre. And to be able to be on
680
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.079
that kind of set, watching you know, David work and
681
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.920
just kind of being part of that whole scene would
682
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.720
be that would be something I'd love to do.
683
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.319
You know, all the horror movie actors or horror movie
684
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.319
fans that I've had on this podcast, and nobody has
685
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.759
ever brought that movie up. You're the first one.
686
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.640
Every now and then someone will say it's like, yeah,
687
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.240
you know eraser Head. Of course it's a horror film,
688
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:46.240
like that's yeah, it's yeah, it's really I mean, it's twisted,
689
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.000
it's dark, it's there's some very creepy moments in there.
690
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.160
I mean it's like a nightmare. The whole movie is
691
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:51.839
just a nightmare.
692
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.039
Yeah, I agree.
693
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.119
Yeah, So you know, some of his other films. In
694
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.359
a Wilded Heart, I wouldn't call it a horror film,
695
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.799
but but yeah, I mean even even Blue Velvet has
696
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.640
some like really creepy scenes in there. I spoke to
697
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:08.199
Scott Ian about he's a huge David Lynch fan and
698
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.800
a huge fan of Blue Velvet, and in the middle
699
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:13.679
of our interview that I was shooting for the doc,
700
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.440
we started talking about he brought it up in the
701
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.320
film and kind of like off camera we're talking about
702
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.679
we're still rolling. So I actually kept that part of
703
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:26.400
our conversation in the bonus complete interview that everyone can watch,
704
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.320
where we're kind of like I'm off camera, we're talking
705
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.320
about Blue Velvet and talking about this one particular scene
706
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.000
that was just like towards the end of the movie
707
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.119
that's just like really creepy and just like, you know,
708
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.079
really almost like like a nightmare. Yeah, you know, in
709
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.840
the whole crime scene towards the end. So yeah, so
710
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.320
when you really think about it, there's some stuff in
711
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.639
there that's, you know, David Lynch just created some real
712
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.559
horror stuff. I mean, twin peaks of some of those,
713
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.320
especially in the last last season episode eight, which is
714
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.519
probably one of the most famous the Black and White episode,
715
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.760
Like there's some horror in there, for sure, absolutely a
716
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.719
whole and drive, Like there's one terrifying shot in that
717
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.639
movie that everyone kind of like, you know, you'll you'll
718
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.159
find it online people just sharing that one scene, you know,
719
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.599
the creepy person kind of comes from behind the fence
720
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.320
and when this guy's talking about this nightmary Head. So yeah,
721
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.000
that's that's a lot of a lot of horror and films.
722
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.559
But yeah, if you go back to his early short
723
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.519
films like like The Grandmother and some of the early
724
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.800
I mean those are like even more terrifying. Those are
725
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.400
really really scary, you know type of films. So yeah,
726
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.559
I think horror definitely influenced him a lot, you know,
727
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:35.119
early on.
728
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.039
I love the uh, the debates over what's horror movies
729
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.199
and what isn't, especially when you go to like conventions
730
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.679
and things like that, and there's always like certain t
731
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.480
shirts like Twin Peaks is always is always you know represented,
732
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.679
or like Jaws, and people are like Jaws is not
733
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.679
a horror movie. Yes it is, yes, absolutely.
734
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't have to be this
735
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.679
this very you know specific formula. I was like, oh,
736
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.320
you have to follow this formula. It has to like
737
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.199
have this kind of look to it. It's like, no scarks,
738
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.960
you know, sharks are freaking scary, man. You know. Yeah,
739
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.280
around in the water, you lose you know, you lose
740
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.760
a limb, you lose you know, body parts, and that's horror.
741
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:14.960
That's terrifying.
742
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.239
Yeah, it might. It might be more horror than other
743
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:19.400
things because it's real.
744
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.360
Yeah. Well yeah, I mean, how many people you know,
745
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.320
are are afraid to go in the ocean. Charlie Binanti
746
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.280
talks about that a lot in the film too. It
747
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.039
was like you was scared to go in the pool,
748
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.719
just like a regular swimming pool because just just remembering
749
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.079
what happened in the movie is just absolutely terrifying. And
750
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.000
you know, I'll think of it too. I might be
751
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.920
in a even in a lake, you know where maybe
752
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.039
I'm like swimming at night or something like that, I
753
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.559
can't see my feet and I'm like, man, you know,
754
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.800
something horrific could definitely happen here, just kind of thinking
755
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.679
about it, you know, in the back of your mind,
756
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.519
because of a lot of stuff that you've seen in
757
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.360
horror films and in real life, you know, real story. Yeah,
758
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.239
of people getting heard or killed and so so, yeah,
759
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.079
I made a heart like horror films, It's it's really
760
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:05.679
just about how it makes you feel. You know. If
761
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:09.239
you feel horrified by something in the film, you know,
762
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.840
and if there's a good amount of it throughout the film,
763
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.639
then yeah, why not classify that as a horror film?
764
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.000
Absolutely, one hundred percent agree. So now the next part
765
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.199
of this interview is the part that doesn't have anything
766
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.800
to do with anything. This is just our lightning round
767
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.760
where we ask you a series of random questions and
768
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:30.960
that's really all it comes down to is just people
769
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.480
getting to know you on a different, different level. So
770
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.119
the first question in the Lightning round is always, do
771
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.119
you prefer Chicago or New York style pizza?
772
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.639
I'm partial to New York. You know, I've been here
773
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.280
almost fifty years. I know where the good spots are.
774
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.119
I grew up with it, you know, I know what
775
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.880
I like. And yeah, Chicago's good though, I've been out there,
776
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.079
you know, I've had their their deep dish pizzas. They're great.
777
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.039
I have no problem, you know. But if, yeah, if
778
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.079
I had to choose one for the rest of my life,
779
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:02.559
I'd still stick in there.
780
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.960
All right, So do you prefer dinner or dessert?
781
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.599
Dinner, I'm not I'm not a huge dessert person because
782
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:13.719
I just try to cut, you know, keep the sugar
783
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.960
is a little bit low. So I like to have
784
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.679
a nice, nice, healthy, but delicious dinner.
785
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.800
All right. So this next question may not matter to
786
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.440
you very much then, because it's chocolate or.
787
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.039
Vanilla most most of the time. Chocolate.
788
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.800
All right. How about do you prefer Ozzie or Alice Cooper?
789
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:42.000
Hmmm, uh wow, good question. Probably more an OI fan,
790
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.920
just because you know, I love Black Sabbath as a band. Yeah,
791
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.320
I love. I love his voice, is his style, his
792
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:55.079
solo stuff. You know, I probably I probably like more
793
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:01.360
Sabbath than Aussie songs than than Alice Cooper. But but
794
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:03.079
of course I'll love Alice too, you know. I love
795
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.800
I love his music, love what he brought to the genre,
796
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.119
his stage performance, and I love him personally. I think
797
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.280
he's just an amazing human being. I've met Ausie once briefly,
798
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:12.920
but didn't really have to spend time with them the
799
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.000
way that Alice, So you know, I like them for
800
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.679
for different reasons. But musically, if I have to kind
801
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.320
of stick with one music collection, I'd probably stick with Ozzie.
802
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.679
That's fair. And the next one will be, uh, you
803
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.280
have three choices. Is is it going to be Metallica
804
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.079
and Trax or Slayer.
805
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:32.679
I'd still go with Metallica.
806
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.719
Yeah, yeah, classic. He I mean they're classic.
807
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.199
Yeah, they just they just have so many songs. I
808
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.119
mean just their entire eighties catalog. Of course is can't
809
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.000
beat it. But yeah, as far as just the amount
810
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.039
of songs that that I could keep listening to, yeah,
811
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.760
I'd probably stick with Metallica.
812
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:56.360
So this next question is is a classic horror nerd question? Uh,
813
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.840
so there's really no wrong answer. Is it going to
814
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.840
be Friday the thirteenth or Halloween?
815
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:14.199
Well, uh, the original Friday thirteenth. Yes, I'll go with Halloween. Yeah.
816
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.880
I like them both a lot for different reasons. But
817
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.000
I would say because Friday thirteen series had so many
818
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.400
great installments, I mean probably parting four and Part six.
819
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:27.119
You know, it would be sort of like my favorites.
820
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.079
The first one. I liked it, but you know, I
821
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.039
think I like the first Halloween more.
822
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.360
When you were talking earlier about perfect horror movies, I
823
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.440
always think of Halloween.
824
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.679
Yeah, yeah, Well for me, I think it's close there's
825
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.599
something's in there. I mean, you could spot a couple
826
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.360
of issues, you know, like when Michael Maris hits the
827
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.119
glass and you can see like there's a hammer or
828
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.360
something like that, and it's yeah, once you kind of
829
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.360
know it's there, you know, and it's like, oh, you
830
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.880
got the thing there like that, you know whatever, then
831
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.519
you can't forget about it, you know, think about that.
832
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.320
They had like like a couple of technical issues that
833
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:08.159
were oversight or whatever. And you know, one thing that
834
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.280
that kind of always bothered me about the film is
835
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.360
the fact that we see Michael Marra's face towards again.
836
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:18.079
I always felt like that's sort of just, you know,
837
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.719
went against the whole idea of this mysterious figure behind
838
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.079
a mask. I think, you know, once you show the face,
839
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.400
like the mystery is gone. And I don't really understand
840
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.840
the decision. I'm sure it's explained somewhere, but you know,
841
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.079
I would have appreciated the film more not knowing at
842
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.559
all what Michael mars looked like. I think, and throughout
843
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.280
the entire series, I would never not want to know
844
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.519
what it looked like, because I think that just that
845
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.119
mystery just makes it that much scarier. And once you
846
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.800
see a face that's kind of like, oh, that's the guy,
847
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.159
you know. Yeah. I was like, now you're thinking about it,
848
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.559
Like through the movie, it's like, oh, I know what
849
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.400
he looks like behind the mask, and it's not you know,
850
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.519
his face really isn't scary, so that that whole element
851
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.480
of the mystery, and uh, you know that the fear
852
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.960
of what's behind that mask is kind of gone for me,
853
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.199
so you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I love
854
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.800
not knowing what it looked like because then your mind
855
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.719
it's kind of like filling in the gaps.
856
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.199
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's kind of why I didn't
857
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.960
really uh and I love Rob Zombie, but I'm going
858
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:20.880
to say this, I didn't really care for his Halloween
859
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:25.119
remakes because I didn't like the backstory. I didn't want
860
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.679
to know why Michael was Michael. I just think that
861
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.679
him being inherently evil is scarier than knowing that he
862
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.199
had a shitty childhood, you know what I mean. Yeah,
863
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.480
just same concept, but you know, just more of a
864
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:39.559
background in that one.
865
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.480
Yeah. And plus, like the original Michael Meyers, the kid
866
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.519
in the in the first one looks like a very
867
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.880
nice kid, you know, looking kid, you know, just something happened.
868
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.079
You know, he's notopped whatever, like whatever it is. And
869
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.599
the Rob zombie version is like he looks like a
870
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:56.840
badass kid, you know, yeah attitude, He's got this look like, oh,
871
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.679
you don't want to mess with that kid. Yes, So
872
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.320
it's a totally different, different type of vibe. And I
873
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.519
think Rob wanted to like fill in all these gaps
874
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.199
and kind of take into them direction. I prefer what
875
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.559
John Carpenter did with with the films. You know, no
876
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.239
disrespect to Rob. I love Rob, you know, he was
877
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.039
great in my film and everything, but but yeah, I'm
878
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.840
not really crazy about the direction sort of that that
879
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.800
he took in. I look elements of it. I think there,
880
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.840
you know, we shot very well. I love some of
881
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.840
the scenes. The brutality, like the brutality of Mark and Myers,
882
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:29.360
and some of the scenes that were just like there's
883
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.199
that extra energy or brutality I thought, I thought, you know,
884
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.639
came into play very nicely at some point. But yeah,
885
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.159
just trying to explain too much really just takes away
886
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.280
from the mystique of the character.
887
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.760
Absolutely, I kind of felt like it was almost Halloween
888
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.880
combined with Texas Chainsaw masker, Like I feel like he
889
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.039
gave Michael Myers the Texas Chainsaw family and you know,
890
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.400
kind of put those elements together, which of course he's
891
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.039
inspired by those things, so I can see why. But
892
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.679
just you know, the original just had that that mystery
893
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.119
of like this kid just was born with this evil
894
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.440
inside of him. Is much scarier in my opinion.
895
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.079
Yeah, no, for sure. And yeah, and you know, robbed
896
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.880
the House of a Thousand Corpses and everything, so he
897
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:12.719
was able to put that Texas chain So I'll kind
898
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.519
of feel into into a movie like that, which was yeah,
899
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.039
which which made a lot of sense.
900
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.840
Yeah, fantastic movie, by the way. And my next question
901
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.960
is as a strange one, and I love the different
902
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:25.960
answers I get for this one. So let's just say
903
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.880
you're superstitious you're going through the Bermuda Triangle. Are you
904
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.599
taking a plane or are you taking a boat?
905
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:37.599
And why hmm, I think I'm taking a plane. Uh yeah,
906
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.320
if I were to be superstitious about it, there's something
907
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.840
about being stuck in the water that is scarier to me.
908
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.800
I'd be less afraid of being flying overhead, you know.
909
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.079
I'm sure people say, well, there's all kinds of weird
910
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.719
stuff going on with the fields and it brings the
911
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.559
planes down. But I just feel like you're you have
912
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.880
more maneuverability, like maybe get out of it. Bitter words,
913
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.559
maybe you're in it, you're at a ship, you're on
914
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.360
sea that maybe there's something sucking you in or something
915
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.039
like that messing you up where you're kind of locked
916
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.400
in there and you can't get out and you get
917
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.039
pulled under under the water. So I think I still
918
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.360
rather fly. All right, that's a great question.
919
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.159
All right, So then that the last three lightning round
920
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.280
questions are pretty basic, and uh they're they're pretty normal.
921
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.320
But this has gotta do this for fun. So favorite
922
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.400
movie that's not horror, favorite TV show, and favorite cartoon.
923
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:37.519
Favorite film is not horror. Really really tough one. I mean,
924
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.920
for the longest time, Scarface was was my favorite time.
925
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:45.800
I loved I loved everything about that film. It's it's
926
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.039
tough because like I watch it like that movie. You know,
927
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.400
I watched it so many times and I still love it.
928
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.599
But you know, it's like one of those things I'll
929
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:52.880
watch forever and then I'll kind of put off to
930
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.760
the side and I'll get into something else. So it's
931
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.079
it's really hard to say, like what even with my
932
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.920
current favorite film is, there will be stuff like like
933
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:04.480
I try to think of films I can watch over
934
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.840
and over and over again. Yeah, I really get sick
935
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.480
of them. But something like Fear and Loading and Las
936
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.480
Vegas is one of my favorite movies of all time.
937
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.199
It's just, you know, I love Hunter Thompson's writing, I
938
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.719
love Johnny Depp and Beneatha del Toro's performance in there,
939
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.239
and it's like hilarious, so well done, so entertaining. It's
940
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.280
like just so much energy. That's something that I could watch,
941
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.000
I could watch over and over again. So that might
942
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.599
be that might be my top five at the very least, I'll.
943
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.079
Say that that's a great choice.
944
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.679
I love that so and then I mean, I watched
945
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.880
I read the book after the movie, so I'm kind
946
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.960
of able to see these, you know, these these actors
947
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.960
in those roles and kind of reading the book a
948
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:44.760
lot more fun too.
949
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.360
Yeah. I do that. When I saw an interview at
950
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The Vampire and then I went and read the book,
951
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all I could see in my head every time I
952
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was reading through it was Tom Cruiser bread. Yeah.
953
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Yeah, some people don't like to do it that way.
954
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But it was fun for me, you know.
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I enjoy Yeah, yeah, so hop off.
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Favorite TV show, Favorite TV show, let's see wow, because
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I you know, throughout different stages of my life, I
958
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had different favorites of here. You know, early on, like
959
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tell Some of the Dark Side was probably my favorite
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show when it was on TV. Now I look back
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on it's like, all right, it's okay, but you know,
962
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thinking about modern stuff something like you know, shows I'm
963
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watching on Netflix, I would say shows like Dark. It's
964
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probably probably one of my favorite series of all time. Mhm.
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So yeah. I mean, if if we're talking about that
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type of TV show of like a Netflix, you know,
967
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long form type of series, Dark would be up there.
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I think it was just brilliant and creepy and just
969
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so smart. You know, it's just just a fun show
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to watch. Twin Peaks was was another one. I actually
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loved the last season that that Lynch did a couple
972
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of years back. As far as other types of shows,
973
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not much right now. I mean I was into Walking
974
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Dead in the first few seasons. That was a fun show.
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Not much else right now though. There's always something that
976
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.559
comes up which which is great, but currently I think
977
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:20.719
I've kind of seen everything that I wanted to see
978
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.920
and nothing else stands out right now.
979
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.039
Right now, I'm behind the times and I'm just getting
980
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into Dexter. And yeah, that's pretty great.
981
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Dexter was great. Yeah, I meant to catch up on
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some of the new stuff after the show ended. Yeah,
983
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.320
I was a little late to Dexter, but then I
984
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.800
went back and caught up. So yeah, I watched all
985
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the original series of Dexter, which is a lot of fun.
986
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.119
Yeah, I'm only halfway through. I think there's eight seasons
987
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.480
and I just about to finish the fourth one. But
988
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.440
I'm way late to the party. But I'm like, man,
989
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.719
for a horror guy, I should have watched this forever ago.
990
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.280
It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard to go back.
991
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.639
I'm like breaking Bad as a show one of my
992
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.039
favorite shows. Also, Yeah, I'm like, I'm so glad I
993
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.360
got into that early and have to go too far back,
994
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.559
maybe like two seasons or something. Yeah, but yeah, it's
995
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.960
so hard when when the show has been going on
996
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.239
for years, then you relate to the game. Yeah, Oh man,
997
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.599
I gotta go back, and a couple of shows I
998
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.719
still want to do that with like, uh, you know,
999
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.239
for the Law. I never really got into Lost when
1000
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.639
when it was on, kind of wanted to go back
1001
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.400
into that, but then everyone's like, man, that show ended horribly,
1002
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.679
and I'm like, so I really want to invest my
1003
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.719
time right right, Maybe maybe I'll leave that alone for
1004
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.159
now and and try to catch us on some other
1005
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.760
stuff that people were into a little bit more.
1006
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.880
Yeah, all right, So last lightning round question is favorite cartoon.
1007
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.039
Favorite cartoon. I had my favorites when I was a kid.
1008
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.639
You had you Transformers all that type of stuff. These
1009
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.400
days not big on cartoons, but I still like Family Guy,
1010
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.480
you know. Oh yeah, I think it's uh, you know,
1011
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.760
it's smart as clever, it's it's you know, up with
1012
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:01.280
the times. So it's that's that's probably like my favorite
1013
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.599
cartoon if I'm into I'm not really to like Japanese
1014
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.760
anime or any of that type of stuff. I like
1015
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:11.920
like funny, adult humored cartoons. So yeah, so i'd say
1016
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.480
like Family Guys still, you know show that'll that I'll
1017
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watch a cartoon that I'll watch. I can't really think
1018
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:18.960
of anything else. I might catch some stuff on adult
1019
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.880
swim stuff that's kind of like wild, you know, late
1020
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.440
at night. I might watch some animations there that there
1021
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.760
are pretty fun. But yeah, so those kind of like
1022
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.280
come and go because those are just sort of like
1023
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:31.760
they're in for a little while and then they're out
1024
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.280
and and stuff. But consistently, I say, family guys like
1025
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are my favorite.
1026
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All right, So before I get you out of here,
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I want you to plug your social media so everybody
1028
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:44.760
could follow you and see if you're doing any kind
1029
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.719
of appearances, see what your future projects are, and just
1030
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.840
one more time for everybody listening, please plug the documentary
1031
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.559
and where they could watch it and how they could
1032
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:54.079
support it.
1033
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.920
Yeah. So the history of metal and Horror is available
1034
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.760
at Metal metal Horror dot com. That's where you can
1035
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.840
find stuff to purchase and more information history everyone involved,
1036
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.360
social media links and everything. But as far as Instagram, Facebook,
1037
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.360
at the Metal Horror is where you can find me,
1038
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.360
so you can just type that in and follow me there.
1039
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:21.480
So at the Metal Horror on socials and metal horror
1040
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.039
dot com is the is the website, so you can
1041
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.159
get everything you need there, and yeah, keep up with news.
1042
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.519
I'll have any updates on other projects, especially projects that
1043
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.280
are related to Metal and Horror are going to stay
1044
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.400
there on that site and and social media handles. So
1045
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:40.360
there'll be more updates along the way, especially you know
1046
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.679
with the book that'll be coming out sometime next year.
1047
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.440
All right, very cool, So thank you again Mike for
1048
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.360
being here. This was so much fun. And like I said,
1049
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.840
I've watched it. It's absolutely incredible. And you know the
1050
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.440
list of people that pop on to talk about this.
1051
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.400
When you're you're doing these interviews, I'm just like wow, wow, wow,
1052
00:51:57.559 --> 00:51:59.760
like everybody keep Like when I saw Wednesday thirteen, I
1053
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.079
was like, ah, perfect, I can't you know.
1054
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.639
Yeah, Wednesday is great. Yeah. We actually we shot his
1055
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.719
interview twice. The first time when it was but it
1056
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.159
was it was on a tour bus, and I always
1057
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.239
hate shooting interviews on a tour bus. Sometimes you just
1058
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.079
have no choice. It is what it is, you know,
1059
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.440
you do it. I did a few of them. I
1060
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.440
did Corpse Grinder on his bus. I did put your
1061
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.960
babies on their bus. But you have to deal with
1062
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.400
the motor running. They can't turn that off or anything,
1063
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.119
so you have to post. You have to like fix
1064
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.280
all the motors and all that type of stuff. So
1065
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.119
so I ran into Wednesday again. Uh, at the at
1066
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.840
the Cradle of Filth show out and out here in
1067
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.280
Huntington on Long Island, and Wednesday was opening and we
1068
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:41.119
started Chatting's like, hey, man, you know, do you mind
1069
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.599
if we redo my interview? I was like, you know what,
1070
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.440
I would love to redo your interview. We have a
1071
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.440
nice fire room movie here, you know, no no motor running,
1072
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.320
no nothing. And he was like, yeah, I wasn't crazy
1073
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.840
by my interview the first time, so we redid his
1074
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.360
interview there. So yeah, Wednesday's great.
1075
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:58.760
Oh yeah, he's a great guy. I was actually just
1076
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.480
with him a couple of weeks ago, so it's funny
1077
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.400
that we're having this discussion right now. But you know what,
1078
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.639
what an amazing, talented, just fun guy to just hang with,
1079
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:07.960
you know.
1080
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.000
Yeah, he's great. Yeah, and I hope to do more
1081
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.159
stuff with him too in the future.
1082
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.360
Yeah, but you know, I do just want to once
1083
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.000
more before I officially wrap this up and just say
1084
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:17.400
thank you.
1085
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.639
Awesome. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to love to share it,
1086
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.679
and yeah, thanks for having me on. This is a
1087
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.960
fun chat. I love the love the lightning, wrong questions
1088
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.000
and everything that's so different. Yeah, that was a great touch.
1089
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.960
A lot of great questions too, So I really really
1090
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:30.480
enjoyed it.
1091
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.039
Thank you, I appreciate it.
1092
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:33.920
All right, awesome man, We'll be in touch.
1093
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:53.639
Absolutely all right, Rock Soldiers once again, Mike Shift. Check
1094
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.679
out the history of Metal and Horror. If you haven't already,
1095
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.800
go to the website buy your copy, be on the
1096
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.599
lookout for comic count appearances, and we will see you
1097
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guys next week on the All Bets Rough podcast. The
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