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So welcome to this episode of the Aligned Podcast.
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Today I have the honor of sitting with the radiant wise and deeply alive GI Muir.
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Ginny is a transformational guide, mentor, and intuitive whose work explores the deep terrain of relational truth, emotional clarity, and spiritual connection.
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With over 15 years of experience in guiding brave humans through deep inner alchemy, GI helps people transmute fear, shame, trauma, and conditioning into power, self-trust, and presence.
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She leads courses like Ripe and the alchemical relationship collective one-to-ones and retreats, and she helps people to access real intimacy with themselves and with others while anchoring in their deepest truth.
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I met Ginny in Spring 2024 on a transformational retreat in Scotland over the spring Equinox, there were seven of us and we all traveled independently.
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And then we met at the witchery near Edinburgh Castle.
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So, you know, the magic began there.
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Um, and then from there we took a journey up to pol, which was, you know, it was just so fabulous, us all getting to know each other in the car, those moments of, um, kind of quiet and laughter and then awkwardness, and then just intimacy building.
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Um, and then eventually we went, we took the ferry over to the Isle of Lewis in the outer Hebert.
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And what unfolded was nothing short of life changing.
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Um, on the day of the Equinox, we visited the Callanish stones, and I'd never been there before and we all experienced a spontaneous ceremony.
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I mean, it's like something out of a, out of a film.
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And I felt like it really cracked open.
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I mean, something in all of us that was, I mean.
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It was in another realm, wasn't it, that I, we will talk about it, but seven women stood in awe as unplanned music and masculine presence arrived to hold the container for us, pipes, drums, and the deep mystery of timing and place.
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And I think that night changed all of us.
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Uh, since then, I've had the privilege of experiencing Ginny's work through her course ripe with Nisha Moodley, and now as a participant in the alchemical relationship collective.
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And I think I'm just gonna do everything you ever put out in future.
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I'm just gonna, just gonna eat it all up.
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I'm just gonna be there, fan girl.
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Um, but just wrapping up Ginny's way of seeing the world and being in the world activates something deep in me, and it, it kind of feels like a mirror or a key or a deep remembering.
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Uh, so Ginny, I'm really grateful that you're here.
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Um, and I would love to hear you speak your magic and, and maybe to introduce yourself if there there's anything else that you want to add to that or Yeah.
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Anything you're arriving with today.
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Well, first of all, I'm like, can you send me what you just read because I think you just wrote the best bio Good has ever been given to me or about me.
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I'll do that.
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I'm de deeply grateful.
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Wow, you wove together so many beautiful pieces.
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Um, I have shivers.
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It's the thing that I wanna be, as you were talking about our journey to Scotland and remembering that moment, which you just evoked so beautifully.
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Every hair started standing on end, just going back to that place and to that experience, which was just pure magic.
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And I think that is, those are the moments I live for, truly Me too.
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And I think they're available to all of us.
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And it requires devotion, it requires participation, it requires showing up.
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And that's so often what I stand for.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's like, how do we participate fully in this life? How do we bring our full aliveness? How do we move what's in the way of us bringing our full aliveness? Whatever that is, which whatever we carry is no fault of our own.
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Mm-hmm.
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And also it is ours to work with and as you said to Alchemize.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that's the ongoing project of being fully alive here.
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And I really feel when we do that, we get to experience those moments like you just described, of epic collaboration with all of life, the scene and the unseen.
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Hmm.
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I love that.
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I mean, the words that jumped out the most was magic.
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It really, it really did feel like ma magic, that, that evening it was unplanned.
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I mean, the plan was we go to the ish stones.
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That was the plan at this time.
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That was it.
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The plan was, you know, we gather ourselves, we bring our full energy.
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So as you said, we spent a couple days really dropping in together.
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So that part was really important.
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Dropping in together and dropping in with the land.
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Um, from all of the places from which we had traveled, arriving, bringing ourselves together, bringing ourselves fully there, and being called to those stones at sunset on the Equinox.
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And then we were just gonna see, and as you said, what unfolded, just felt like we couldn't have planned it.
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We, we collaborated in the planning of it, and we showed up fully and.
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Life made so much magic with us and for us, and that's so beautiful, isn't it? You know, as a space holder, just as a human that we don't always have to be doing all the time.
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It's just showing up for still to do the work and, and to be present and to enable kind of these intimate moments with other souls that are in the space.
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Um, but had you kind of cultivated or created something, I'm sure it would've been gorgeous, but it wouldn't have been what came through in that moment for each of us, which was men just kind of coming out of nowhere.
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We were, we were there.
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Men came out of nowhere.
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One guy was playing a did do, which was just a pipe, but I'm sure he did it for at least an hour.
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Another guy on a drum.
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They were circling the stones while we, we just sat there in deep presence and in awe of, of what was going, you know, it just, mm-hmm.
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It, it blows my mind.
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But I think also as a space holder, it is, what is the word I'm looking for? Just, you can do a bit less, actually.
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How lovely is that? That, I mean, I'm, I am a planner.
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I'm a little bit one foot in both.
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I like to have all the plans to have connected with the topic or whatever it is I'm holding.
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But then the magic doesn't happen there.
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There's, there's something in my human self that wants to know that I've covered all bases.
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That if it goes, you know, tits up, then I've got the plan.
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Mm-hmm.
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But the beauty is actually in the, can I just let it go? Yeah.
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This, that combination is something that I call surrendered participation.
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Right.
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Because if we don't participate, we're kind of collapsed.
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We're kind of floppy.
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The participation is the part that's asked of us, but the surrender is the overarching energy.
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Right.
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I can participate, I can show up, and also not so rigidly.
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That I'm not available to the flow.
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Mm-hmm.
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Or to the plan being redirected to something that is actually deeply beyond my capacity to create all by myself.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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That takes a lot of trust, doesn't it? Yeah.
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Um, trust in self, you know, just even, I'm even relating it straight back to the body of noticing kind of habits of jaw kicking in or shoulders kicking in, or like the body not being able to have this flexibility.
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I know before we hit record, we spoke about fascia connective tissue in this adaptability of body.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, and kind of weaving the two together.
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I'm seeing that in order for us to be able to meet the moment, it can be so helpful for us to have met ourselves first, because if we don't trust ourselves, we can't trust anything.
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Because if we don't trust ourselves, how do we trust what we're trusting? Yeah, right.
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It's the trust in self that enables us to trust everything else, to trust our own discernment as to what is trustable and what's not trustable, which is important.
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And so trusting in your own capacity to meet whatever comes and trusting in your own discernment is the basis for all trust.
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I love that.
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I feel like that's mic drop.
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It feels huge.
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And actually, this was my first more structured question to you, and it comes into this trusting of self.
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Would you be happy to share some of your journey, um, of really meeting yourself, uh, and learning to trust yourself? And actually who even am I along the way, that journey of, um.
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Who you were.
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Um, and finding yourself in places where you, you thought, I mean, this isn't me, actually, this isn't me.
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I don't wanna be here.
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This is, this doesn't quite fit.
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And then how you navigated, how you could trust yourself, that you weren't just asking for too much or you weren't just kind of, you know, just having a moment in your, you know, how did you trust yourself to, to know that your desire to be in a different place was the right way to go.
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Would you mind speaking about that a little bit? Yeah, that's, it's such a beautiful journey.
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I mean, I think we all come in as souls in essence, but we also come in with a curriculum.
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I don't think that this place that we've incarnated Earth is meant to be a cakewalk, as demonstrated by everyone's experience.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's meant to be school.
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And so we each have a different.
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Curriculum that we're working with.
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And that curriculum is intentional.
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That curriculum is loving actually, and it is challenging by design.
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So for me, I can feel, uh, you know, we come in as souls and essence and almost immediately we begin being limited by conditioning, by imprinting from our family, of origin, from society, from capitalism, from the patriarchy, from the wounds passed down through generations.
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We're not even aware of everything that's kind of pressing in and layering on top of that, which I believe is the truest burning essence at the center of each soul.
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And so a part of the journey is unraveling all of that stuff to find what's underneath.
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And we all have different inroads, you know, and different kind of core wounds that we're working with.
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But for me.
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There was really this core wound of dishonesty feeling that I had to actually lie about who I was in order to belong in this world.
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And that was, I felt that without being able to articulate what that was, from a very early age, feeling like there's a vast landscape in here that's different from what I observe many people seeming to feel or experience.
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And so I learned to kind of create masks, to be able to twist myself into a pretzel, to look pleasing or right for belonging, which is what we're all here to do.
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And in our child selves, of course, our number one need is to stay connected, to stay in attachment, to maintain belonging with the beings who are actually providing our sustenance.
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It's for allowing for our survival.
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And so those habits become very necessary.
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They feel very necessary to our survival.
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It doesn't feel like it's a choice even.
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It feels like what must be done.
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And some part of us, some very primal survival part is like, this must be done so that I don't die.
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And then usually at some point what I see is that there's something that happens in our lives often in our late twenties in astrology, they'll call it the Saturn return.
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And it's kind of this moment where things start to come crumbling down and you have a little bit of a choice point.
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Are you gonna continue in the way that you've been going, including that which doesn't truly work for you because it feels like what you're supposed to do, or the shoulds, or are you going to wake up inside of that? And start making some really hard choices.
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They usually feel like deaths on a level about honoring what's actually in here, getting to know what's actually in here.
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And for me, that was a whole unearthing process I had so expertly covered it over.
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It's powerful in me.
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So it wasn't totally out.
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There were ways that it would kind of come out sideways for me because the essence of my being is quite wild.
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The essence of my being is so devoted to freedom.
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Above all else, it's like freedom is the driver.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I was born into the patriarchal American south where everything is very much about looking a certain way, following certain rules.
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Particularly as a woman being pleasing, you know, orienting towards what do I need to do to get safe.
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There's a lot of conditioning there.
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But for me, it really came through my body and I think that that's, it's, it continues to be my deepest guiding light.
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And I believe the body is always a truth teller.
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Mm-hmm.
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So all physical symptoms are the body, not the body trying to be a problem, of course, but the body trying to alert us in the way that the body has, that it's just not working.
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That we're trying to exert too much force over the natural way.
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Mean, to this day I'm so, so grateful in the moment it felt really inconvenient.
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It was as though my whole body started shutting down on me, and it was not anything that Western medicine could explain.
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You know, I went to see doctors and, but I was having, couldn't sleep through the night.
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I was getting nauseous almost every day.
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I just felt like I had dark circles under my eyes.
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I was, I felt like I was like a, it was like a slow Something is dying.
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Couldn't.
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And there wasn't an easy explanation.
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They, the western medicine doctors were like, oh, I don't know, maybe you're hypoglycemic these very unsatisfying answers.
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And so I went on a journey of actually listening to my body and what she needed and beginning to nourish myself in the correct way.
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I had struggled with an eating disorder, so I had really undern nourishing eating habits.
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I had, you know, no idea about the difference between nutrients and toxins.
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I had no idea about what I was putting into my body as fuel and what she needed.
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And so in learning to nourish myself, all sorts of things actually started to open up.
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It was like these doors began opening.
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It was though I'd been living in a, a mansion, but just existing in the hallway in a way.
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And the doors started to fly open as energy came back into my body and I became aware of my chakras.
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I found acupuncturists and I found yoga, and I found deeper truths about what my body was trying to tell me.
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And that was the start of my journey of really realizing, oh, I've been fed a whole bunch of things that aren't actually true.
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And it wasn't from a place of anger, it was just from a place of, I must remember feeling like a growl in my belly.
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Like, no, just a powerful, strong no.
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And began to uncover what else wasn't true to me and to my being about how I was living.
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And turns out it was a lot because I had basically constructed an entire life, a marriage, a very riy, patriarchal career in real estate development that was just about climbing a ladder, a very masculine world.
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Um, friendships, even with the kind of people that I didn't feel truly met or seen by that I kind of always felt a little like I didn't belong or left out and I had to look around my entire life and dismantle it really thing by thing.
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And that that's a part of it.
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It's just like the, the, the, it can't happen all at once.
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Sometimes it does, sometimes it happens all at once and the whole thing burns down.
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But more often than not, it's a slow dismantling and reassembling and it does take deep self-trust and it's fraught with doubt.
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What am I doing? Am I making the wrong decision? But for me, I just began to listen to the place that I noticed was never leading me astray.
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That when I listened to my body and when I listened to my intuition and when I listened to my true desire.
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Not my ego desire, but some bigger, wider desire.
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Even when the choices I was making were hard, they led me to a place of greater liberation, and I just kept gathering data that that was true, and that was the thing that really helped me to build trust.
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It was over probably a 10 year period that I just kept trying things out and noticing how did the quality of my life change when I listened to that inner voice and to the guidance from my body and my own deeper knowing.
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And what I noticed was that the quality of my life just improved.
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That things became more aligned.
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So the, what I'm really hearing is like an undernourishment with food, but also in perhaps relationship, perhaps work, perhaps friendships.
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Is that.
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Deeper level of undernourishment, um, um, and what really brought you back into that alignment or that discernment was focusing on you.
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It wasn't just focusing on, oh, well this isn't the right relationship for me, or this is, you know, this isn't the right, it was actually, first of all, it sounds like coming back to you and working on your health, your resonance, your relationship with yourself, and knowing that you will always put yourself first and trust yourself and trust those feelings.
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And I love how you say data.
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You know, you started to build this data of, oh, okay, well I was brave enough to step away from that and I'm still alive and I feel a little bit more on track, or I feel a little bit more liberated.
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And it, it does, it gives you that data and then that trust to, okay, maybe I can take this next step.
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'cause I didn't veer myself wrong the last time.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And then the.
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The guidance kind of kept becoming more and more edgy, I would say.
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Right.
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And so in 2013 was the first time that I met plant medicine and I took a trip to Peru.
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I had never worked with psychedelics, I had never worked with plant medicine.
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I was just called, that's all I can remember is that I heard about this opportunity and this experience.
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And back in that time it was a way more fringe.
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It was not something that is as mainstream recognized as it is now, which is beautiful development that were more open to the teachings of the plants.
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But it was really edgy.
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And so I kind of just told everyone in my life I was going on a yoga trip to Peru and I was so shifted When I came back, I was having dinner with my mom who came to visit me in Washington, DC and she's very intuitive.
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We have a deep connection.
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Um, and she, we were out to dinner and over a glass of wine, you know, she just said she has a southern accent, and she said, now were you just doing yoga on that trip? Because you seem really different.
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That's amazing.
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Oh, yeah.
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It, it's like the kind of different that you can't hide.
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Yeah.
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You know, the kind of just inhabiting your cells more fully that everyone notices.
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Yeah.
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Even if you're not shouting it from the rooftops.
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Yeah.
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That you're just more in your skin, you're more settled into your being, you are living from a different frequency.
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So how can plant medicine do this? I just, because I always love how you, you know, how you particularly see things and, and come in with your insights.
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Because when I had my one and only journey, which was with you mm-hmm.
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I was, I was a little nervous for it.
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I don't know if you know this actually.
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So my word when we went around the circle and then we were all invited to, to find a word to connect with, and for some reason the word remember came up for me.
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Um, and I really was just thinking, oh, remember that you are strong.
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You know, remember that you are a cult.
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You know, that kind of, but I didn't anticipate that I was gonna remember being the original consciousness and remember being, literally being the mycelial network and feeling Janine's laughter ripple through me and feeling Brittany's tears ripple.
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I didn't anticipate that, you know, I was just like, just remember you got it, girl was kind of what I was, what I was planning.
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Yeah.
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You know, be careful what you wish for.
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Um, and, and so many other things that I remembered from.
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Millennia ago.
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But did you, did you, I don't know if I've told you that I had, this is, remember I've had it tattooed on my arm.
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Oh my gosh.
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I have shivers again.
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My only tattoo.
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Wow.
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My only tattoo.
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I had it done in Seville last year.
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Wow.
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I'm gonna cry.
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But when I was getting a little nervous, um, because this is something I really want to work with is, um, losing control.
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I want to lose, I wanna be able to lose control Ginny, um, more.
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And, and actually even still reflecting on that incredible journey, I still get a little bit nervous of how I had to surrender.
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I really had, I mean, you have to surrender.
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You have no choice, do you? It's not like, well, I've just had one foot in, one foot out.
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It was totally in another stratosphere.
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But that was, again, like we said at the beginning of our call, this is where the magic came in.
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But when I was getting nervous beforehand, you, you looked into my eyes and you just said, you, you are inviting another consciousness into your body.
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You're inviting another consciousness to come in and have a dialogue with you to be in relationship with you.
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And I was like, yeah, okay.
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I'm on board now.
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Now this makes sense.
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I'm not just doing this kind of crazy thing and that, you know, it just suddenly made sense.
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Those words really were really resonant.
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So what, what is the technology? What is the magic? What is it that happens? 'cause I know every journey is different.
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Yeah.
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What's coming up for you in this moment around.
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How, how do they support us? Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So primarily after meeting the plant medicine for the first time in 2013, I was told fairly quickly by the plants themselves that I was a carrier of this consciousness and I was meant to hold and support people in connecting with the intelligence.
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It's primarily an intelligence deeper, other than human, different intelligence that comes through mushrooms in particular.
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And at first I said like, no, thank you, not me.
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You must have a, you must be mistaken.
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I am just a little small woman who is not at all a medicine person.
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But it was very insistent the call.
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And um, so I had to learn to actually.
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Deeply trust the intelligence of that consciousness because it is other than human.
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But if we look at mushrooms, really look at them.
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They're older than we are, so they are essentially our ancestors.
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They have been here on planet Earth way longer than we have, and successfully thrived in every single environment on this planet.
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So obviously they know something that we haven't quite yet figured out.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so when I watch them, when I watch how they participate with every ecosystem, it's, it's as if, how could I not, who am I? How egoic to not trust that this intelligence has something for me.
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And the compound of psilocybin is the way that mushrooms, the whole mushroom fungal kingdom communicates with humanity.
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And what a gift.
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That they have developed this compound that allows them to speak with us.
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That's incredible.
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I love that.
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It's incredible.
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Yeah.
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So that's their way, that's their language.
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That's their way of, yeah.
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I kept getting, I speaking with humans, they actually have a way of contributing, speaking with every single element on this planet.
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They have a way of speaking with water.
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They have a way of speaking with other plant beings.
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They have a way of speaking with animals.
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And psilocybin is the way that they have learned to communicate with humans.
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What a gift, what a generosity.
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And so to me, to approach it with reverence and to say in a non egoic, humble way, I am willing to open my consciousness, my human consciousness to receive teachings from something other than human that could potentially infuse me and change me forever.
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It is very brave.
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It always invokes nervousness.
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That's the correct response.
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Think if you're sitting at the feet of a great teacher, of course you feel nervous because they see everything.
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They see you, they see what you're carrying.
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They see what needs to be composted and let go.
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They see what wants to be opened and yeah.
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You can't just like, I'm just gonna hide this little one here.
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No, it's all on display.
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Yeah.
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And so that's a part of it.
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That's a part of why it's such an initiatory experience, because so many of us are hesitant to let ourselves be seen so fully by something that has impeccable sight.
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Mm-hmm.
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And impeccable capacity to really sort of scan us and see what's needed.
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And the reason every single journey is different is because every conversation is different between this consciousness and the human in question.
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It's not going to be the same conversation every time.
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They're going to ascertain what does this one need? What is this one missing? What would really benefit this one in living more fully, in being more energetically true and open and oriented towards life as opposed to death.
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You said the reason why every journey is different is because every conversation is different.
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Right, exactly.
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So it's a conversation between this consciousness and the human in question.
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And so of course, no, no two conversations are gonna be the same because essentially what they do is they come into the system and mushrooms are just always looking at how is the energy, right? What is life and what is death? And if we think about how they grow in in the world, they're, the mycelium is underneath every square inch of soil.
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And when they encounter decaying matter, they compost it and bloom, they compost it and fruit.
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And so they do the same in our systems.
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They look for where is their dead stuck material that could be broken down and alchemized into life.
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And it's often, if you think about also how they look in the world, it's quite humor.
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They're sort of quirky and weird and like all like the most strange shapes.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so that's also the medicine they use with us.
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They use like humor and wonder and awe.
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And, um, that's how we know that stuff that is in the way of us moving and orienting more towards the aliveness in ourselves is being broken down on our behalf so that we can, you know, they're working with the nervous system, they're working with the brain, but they're basically opening up pathways that have been blocked or kinked or, you know, damaged through trauma and helping us to remember to remember what our nervous systems actually have the capacity to run.
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And that's what I was sharing with you in your experience was I could really feel in your system how tuned your body is as a result of all of the physical, deeply physical work you've done.
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So your system actually had the capacity to run a lot of energy already.
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They didn't need to do such deep repair work.
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You've done that on your own.
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And so that's how they could take you back to like the primordial soup of all time.
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Because for some people it's like, oh no, we just have to go back to this childhood memory where there's a lot of stuck energy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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We have to go back into this room where you received a wound or where something painful happened, and we have to work to break that down for you because it's a big deterrent.
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But for you, they were like, oh, we're good.
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We're good, we're good.
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Download all of the wisdom of life.
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To her it was like that.
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It was, it was.
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It was incredible.
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It was a, yeah.
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There's not even words for it.
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And when you looked into my eyes and you said that, because there was a moment where I was like, this is a lot, this is just such a lot to suddenly it's like you've had what is is even the image I'm looking for, it's just like.
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Lifting up the veil and like, whoa, there is just so much to see.
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You know, where I was like, well, I, this is true and this is that, and this is, you know, I've got my bearings.
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And then suddenly it's like there's no bearings.
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You know, it, it was, yeah.
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And it was so helpful for you to come in, in that moment, and I feel like that's why I really connect to how you like hold this work, is you have, it feels very safe with you.
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It feels that you've, you've really very much see it and you understand the technology or the anatomy of it.
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Um, and you are, it's that divine surrendering again, isn't it? That, what was it you called it earlier, the, um, surrendered participation.
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Yeah.
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Surrendered participation.
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Yeah.
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That's why I really learned it.
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I learned it with them because I will say that as a part of my journey, I had a lot of trust issues.
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With the world, with life with other humans in particular.
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I really, as I started coming into my own, as I said, like I felt some anger, I felt some distrust at that which I had been fed.
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And so learning to trust again was a big part of the assignment for me.
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And when I first met the mushrooms, my instantaneous awareness was this is something so pure.
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It might not always be easy.
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Sometimes they can be intense, they can be direct, they can be fierce.
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They can be relentless.
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But it's so trustable in that it's in service of love.
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Yeah.
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And it was the, I feel, I felt that and I felt, oh, this is my job.
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My job is to actually hold and transmit unshakeable.
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Trust me as someone who's not that easily trusting so I can get it when someone's in my space and they're.
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They're resistant or they're a little closed to trust, but I get to transmit to them.
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I know.
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And also, I'm not easily trusting.
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I'm very discerning about what I trust and I trust this fully and it's good and you can trust it.
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And there's love here, right.
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And just getting to transmit that and, um, that's a big part of what it is to be a space holder.
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Truly.
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And you said in service of love, which I feel like is so much of your work, you know, in service of love, of self-love, first and foremost, perhaps.
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Um, and then your, your work in our chemical relationship collective in service of love.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um.
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Could, could, you, can, can you share kind of that bridging of the two? 'cause I'm really seeing them in that moment.
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I really just saw it as the same thing.
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So what the, the intelligence of the mushrooms is doing in service of love.
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I'm, I'm giving you this, I'm supporting you to see this, this might be a hard truth.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, I'm reflecting it back at you, but it's in service of love.
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It's not just to kind of, well see, see what you did there.
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You know, and this is, it seems, well it is in my experience of what you do in this relationship collective, um, course that you're holding, this space that you're holding.
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Again, it's this truth.
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And, and you are coming in.
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It's like the inte intelligence is coming in through you.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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What they taught, what the mushrooms taught me.
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So I've always been a highly relational being.
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And so much of my early heartbreak was feeling let down by relationship, wanting so much.
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Feeling the capacity of my own heart and wanting so much to feel met in that energy of truth and freedom and acceptance and helpful mirroring of one another with the intention of growing.
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And that's the frequency of relationship that I've always oriented to.
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And meeting the mushrooms was the first time I met a consciousness that does that flawlessly.
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Their medicine is reciprocity in every environment where they grow.
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They never take more than they give, and they never receive more than they offer back.
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There's always this perfect symbiosis with the environment, and that is something that human beings struggle with.
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We struggle because of our own egos.
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We don't see that that's actually the most.
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Effective way that it's the most generative way, that in the long term it's the most productive way.
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But it requires constantly tracking for where is it mine to offer something and where is it mine to learn something and where is it mine to, to be in the giving posture? And where is it mine to be in the receiving posture? And so learning from the mushrooms I saw, oh, what I understand deeply is the connective tissue between all things.
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And that our relationship with everything, our relationship with the earth, our relationship with the plants, our relationship with other humans, our relationship with ourselves, that is actually why we come into bodies, is to relate.
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And some of the deepest teachings, the the most challenging places are in our relationships with other humans.
408
00:36:03,915 --> 00:36:04,485
Essentially.
409
00:36:04,485 --> 00:36:09,675
That's where I would say 90% of our wounding occurs in intimacy with other humans.
410
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:10,590
It's, yeah.
411
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:16,890
And so our healing journeys also have to happen in relationship with other humans.
412
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:22,110
And so once I saw that, that's really to me love in that way.
413
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:30,015
Love, not ownership, not attachment, not pride, not control, but capital L.
414
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:40,050
Love finding the way to be an open-hearted connection with other humans has the power to be the single most transformational thing in your life if you let it.
415
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:52,710
And so my work in the alchemical relationship collective, which is just a gathering space, a practice space for us to talk together about all of the human things which are nothing to be ashamed of.
416
00:36:53,250 --> 00:37:05,460
All the human things that get in the way of us feeling truly connected to one another and becoming skillful at working with those and through those together.
417
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,650
Because there actually is always a way.
418
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:21,930
And I want to live in a world where we are oriented to that being true, to finding the way forward with one another.
419
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:29,610
What is the medicine that I have for this one? What is the medicine that this one has for me? Maybe it's intense, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
420
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:34,110
Maybe it's challenging, but that is what is needed.
421
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:43,860
Or maybe it's just beautiful and my heart gets to bloom open in the presence of this other person, and I get to just like fully receive that as a gift.
422
00:37:44,340 --> 00:38:07,110
So that to me feels like where the rubber meets the road, you know, is my, with everything I've learned and and been taught at the feet of the mushrooms, how I'm uniquely able to bring it into this world as a helpful thing is to smooth the relationships, the deep relationships between humans who have found one another.
423
00:38:07,695 --> 00:38:07,875
Hmm.
424
00:38:07,905 --> 00:38:16,185
Who are looking to activate one another and grow one another and transform one another because we can't do it all in here.
425
00:38:16,185 --> 00:38:19,905
It's a, it's like you said, like you have to be shown.
426
00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:21,885
You're too close to your own stuff.
427
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:22,845
You need a mirror.
428
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:31,850
You need another being to come and say, like, that thing you do that doesn't feel totally true or whatever.
429
00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:36,405
A lot of things are coming through.
430
00:38:36,405 --> 00:38:52,845
One, um, one question, or maybe it's a few questions I have, is do you see that your path would've been very different without that, without your relationship with the mushrooms? You know, how, how do you see that? It's kind of super sped.
431
00:38:53,895 --> 00:38:56,175
No, I'm, I know I'm kind of putting words, words into it.
432
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:57,195
No, it has for sure.
433
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,405
It, it, for me, it was an accelerator truly.
434
00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,055
And um.
435
00:39:02,415 --> 00:39:05,985
Something that I kind of didn't feel like I had a choice around.
436
00:39:05,985 --> 00:39:14,175
As I explained, it was just like, this is for me and whatever it is that I came here, whatever cycles I came here to break.
437
00:39:14,535 --> 00:39:19,605
And I feel like that's a, a big part of my soul's purpose here.
438
00:39:19,725 --> 00:39:35,655
And a lot of the people that I work with have a, a sort of knowing of the same thing for themselves, that there's something about their consciousness that came here with the intention of being a cycle breaker, a pattern breaker, an end and a beginning.
439
00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:44,655
And I needed the help of another intelligence to break that stuff down so that I wasn't just repeating.
440
00:39:44,805 --> 00:39:51,855
Because that's the easiest way the path of least resistance, is just repeat, repeat what we've been imprinted with, repeat the cycles that we've inherited.
441
00:39:52,485 --> 00:40:00,735
And sometimes in my experience, I felt I needed a little bit of outside allyship to break down some pretty gnarly stuff.
442
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:01,040
Yeah.
443
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:10,020
Some of it I'm aware of, some of it I don't even know, but I can feel as it clears from my body that it's no longer there, whatever it was.
444
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:21,720
And it feels like the more you clear, the more you decom decompose and the, there's the rebirth that's happening on all the, the cellular level and emotional and relational level.
445
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:29,790
The next level of karma is invited in or the next level of, um, kind of coherency and truth is invited in.
446
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:30,750
Yes.
447
00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:44,790
Um, would you mind speaking just a little bit about, it just really stood out to me hearing you say once, um, I'm so fabulous, uh, at relationships with, you know, friends and this is my thing, you know, I'm here to, to bring love.
448
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,020
I'm here to shine a light and to, to bring love really.
449
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:54,150
But romantic relationships were a real, that was the kind of the sticking point.
450
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,290
And you almost were residing to the fact of like.
451
00:40:56,835 --> 00:40:59,535
I think maybe just, this is too much calmer for this lifetime.
452
00:41:00,345 --> 00:41:04,635
You know, I've, I've done a really great job, but I think this, this one might be a bit too much.
453
00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:08,385
And then actually how life has shown you otherwise.
454
00:41:08,415 --> 00:41:24,975
Would you mind just talking a little bit about the place you were in when you were feeling that, and then how you perhaps moved into this, being able to invite Jesse into your life and then, and what you worked through and perhaps where you are at now together? 'cause I find it really inspiring.
455
00:41:25,755 --> 00:41:26,595
Yeah, thank you.
456
00:41:26,595 --> 00:41:44,955
No, it was a really, so when I first started kind of uncovering my capacity and emotional intimacy, the place that felt the easiest for me was sisterhood and I, in connecting with other women that just I felt like started to pour into my life who were an actual.
457
00:41:45,465 --> 00:41:48,285
Fit for me who could meet me where I wanted to be met.
458
00:41:48,285 --> 00:41:52,455
And it was just like a garden blooming, you know? And I, it's still happening.
459
00:41:52,575 --> 00:42:05,085
My life is full of so many incredible women, and I felt like I was so, became so skillful at navigating conflict and rupture and repair inside of community, inside of circle, inside of sisterhood relationships.
460
00:42:05,085 --> 00:42:06,765
Like boom, boom, boom, I got it.
461
00:42:07,545 --> 00:42:15,135
Um, and what remained challenging was achieving the same level of fluency with the masculine.
462
00:42:16,155 --> 00:42:29,325
And for me, there was, and I think for many of us, I had a deep distrust of the masculine and a lot of beliefs and stories around what was actually possible there.
463
00:42:29,745 --> 00:42:35,540
And I felt every single time that I would, you know, lean into romantic relationship, I would just get.
464
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:42,570
Stopped or stuck and it felt healthy, heavy, or murky, like health felt hard to access true health.
465
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:43,860
The kind that I had felt.
466
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,540
And what I realized was, that's still about me.
467
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:51,660
That's still about what I'm holding in here.
468
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:57,240
That's not a condemnation of the entire masculine side of our species.
469
00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:03,450
That was stuff that I still had to work through, which was way deeper for me.
470
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:18,300
There was more residue around what I longed for in dynamic with the masculine and what I was actually pushing away or simply not available for because of my own beliefs and stories.
471
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:25,290
And so I did, I, there was a non-attachment and I think this was kind of an important moment for me.
472
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:34,065
There was a time, uh, around the age of 42 when I have let myself go through a grief process that maybe partnership just isn't for me.
473
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:42,630
In this lifetime, because I know the level of relationship I would require in order to choose in it would have to be so epic.
474
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:44,070
That's what my friendships are.
475
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:48,390
That's what my community is, that's what my relationship with my clients is.
476
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:50,520
That's what my relationship with my teachers is like.
477
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:56,580
It's epic, right? Um, with my dog, you know, all of it was like next level relating.
478
00:43:56,610 --> 00:44:03,780
And so I just said, I'm not gonna settle for an, uh, okay relationship with a man, with a partner.
479
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,980
So maybe I'll just be single for the rest of my life.
480
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:12,960
Have lovers around the globe, but you know, there's a way that that could look, that could be lovely.
481
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:13,170
Mm-hmm.
482
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:21,300
But I'm not gonna count on or wait for, or pine for an epic relationship with a man.
483
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:28,050
And there was something in the releasing of that and the grieving of that, that opened another layer.
484
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:31,770
And this is something I teach about a lot that what actually opens.
485
00:44:32,145 --> 00:44:35,235
The next level for us often feels like a death.
486
00:44:36,015 --> 00:44:38,715
It's this death cycle within a life.
487
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:39,230
Mm-hmm.
488
00:44:39,315 --> 00:44:54,345
The releasing of an attachment, the releasing of, of an identity, the letting it all come crashing down, being undone, saying like it is, it's a surrender and it's a like, yeah, okay, fine.
489
00:44:54,615 --> 00:44:56,115
I'll let that one go.
490
00:44:56,385 --> 00:44:56,625
Yeah.
491
00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:05,055
And there was something in the letting it go that opened me to be available to the next level of relating.
492
00:45:05,385 --> 00:45:11,055
And Jesse came into my life and we, you know, we've had a journey.
493
00:45:11,145 --> 00:45:20,745
We dated for a time, nine months, and we weren't, it wasn't fully clicking and we actually broke up, but we gave each other some really deep medicine even in that breakup.
494
00:45:20,745 --> 00:45:23,175
And we separated and we were apart for a time.
495
00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:29,655
But what he did was something that I'd never actually seen a man do, and my experience, which was.
496
00:45:30,090 --> 00:45:45,990
We broke up and he actually for himself, not for me, not in service of getting back together, he went away and did really deep work to change the parts of himself that were preventing us from being in connection.
497
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:49,680
And because this is who I am, I was doing the same thing over on my side.
498
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:55,320
I was like, well, what I learned from this relationship is my heart can still be closed and I'm not totally emotionally available.
499
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,600
So let me dig into my side of this.
500
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:05,190
And then we reconnected several months later and our energetic felt totally different because of the work we'd each done.
501
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:09,960
It's like, you can actually do enough energetic work that with the same two beings.
502
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,850
This was a massive awakening for me.
503
00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:16,170
And part of what I has informed my relational teaching is like you're never stuck.
504
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,530
You're never actually stuck because we're so dynamic.
505
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:26,550
You just actually have to change the energy, not talk about it, not logically understand it, but mm-hmm.
506
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,520
Actually shift it inside of yourself.
507
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:36,180
And if you can do that, you can find your way back to one another in a transformed dynamic.
508
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,930
And that was what happened when you're both participating.
509
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:42,600
He was participating for him, not for you.
510
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:43,500
For him.
511
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:44,220
Mm-hmm.
512
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,650
And you were participating for you.
513
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:47,550
Yes.
514
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:48,420
Not, yeah.
515
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:49,800
A hundred percent.
516
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,940
And that's what it requires.
517
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:56,430
And that's the thing that I had never actually, I had seen that in my sisterhood relationships.
518
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:56,640
Right.
519
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:06,570
I had given feedback to a friend of mine and watched her like work it so deeply and take it all the way in and come back with like massive realizations and, you know, ownership.
520
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:10,020
And I had actually just not experienced that with a man.
521
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,590
Mm-hmm.
522
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:15,810
And so it was like this, this kind of illumination moment of, oh wow, it is possible.
523
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:17,790
Mm, it is possible.
524
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:24,510
And so we got back together and shortly after that we were engaged and we got married in January.
525
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:31,350
And it sometimes feels like, wow, this relationship is like, it's epic.
526
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:34,530
It's the relationship of my dreams and I wouldn't have had anything.
527
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:39,000
It's not perfect, but we're working together always.
528
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:59,160
I trust that I actually have an ally and a partner, not a relationship that it's gonna require me to over function or me to do it all, or me to drag him along, but actually to feel truly met in ways that are hard to put into words, but it's that are energetically true.
529
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,490
Reciprocity.
530
00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:00,360
I'm seeing.
531
00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:01,860
Yeah, reciprocity.
532
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:04,980
It's, it's the consciousness of the mushrooms that you were talking about.
533
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:08,070
It's in service of love and it's not perfect.
534
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:10,140
And the journey might be challenging or what.
535
00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:12,750
But it's in service of love.
536
00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:18,240
And that's, that's a beautiful resonance that you've both been able to find.
537
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:18,510
Mm-hmm.
538
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:25,080
And we are humans, and there'll be wobbly moments, but it's so beautiful to, like you said, that Ally.
539
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,010
Mm-hmm.
540
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:51,090
Um, I'm also, before we hit record, when you were talking about the, um, I mean, your work feels so vast, but it, but it all makes sense and it, it feels like this, the distilled message of your work is this in service of love, um, in service of connection, in service of remembrance and deep consciousness and deep healing.
541
00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:54,840
Um, I did, I've done ripe twice.
542
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:56,160
I love it.
543
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,240
I mean, and I haven't completed the second round actually.
544
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,080
And That's lovely.
545
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,710
It's lovely that we have lifetime access to ripe and we can go back.
546
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:10,050
Um, but it feels like, well, of course ripe is such a key part of this, so.
547
00:49:10,695 --> 00:49:16,245
Because we can just be angry at the society that we live in that we've been brought up in this patriarchy.
548
00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:17,375
but.
549
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:26,630
Essentially it's coming back to us, isn't it? And it's coming back to what the, the words that really stood out or the embodiment that really stood out with, right.
550
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:34,970
I mean so much, but coming back to your wild, coming back to your animal body, coming back to your eros, your erotic energy at any time in life.
551
00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:47,360
Um, and I loved the, the very much the inroad was, 'cause I think there was probably, I dunno, women from 35 upwards were, were mainly the women in that were drawn to this group.
552
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:59,915
Um, and very much the conversation around, you know, is our life coming to an end? You know, am I just like not attractive and not dynamic? And am I gonna have less life in my body? Yeah, very much like you.
553
00:49:59,915 --> 00:50:05,165
I don't that No, no, I am not gonna be participating with that reality.
554
00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:08,585
There is only gonna be more life that needs to come through this body.
555
00:50:08,585 --> 00:50:11,885
I need to like up the voltage, not less moving forward.
556
00:50:12,365 --> 00:50:25,895
So it's, it's so inspiring to, um, I mean, have gorgeous you and gorgeous niche Nisha Moodly, like holding this and your both of your aliveness and your energy and your passion for this in women.
557
00:50:26,345 --> 00:50:41,525
Um, and you can just see that this is, or for me, I'm seeing that it's essential, you know, that we each feel our individual and unique, um, fingerprint of aliveness and medicine in this lifetime.
558
00:50:42,035 --> 00:50:53,375
And that we use the initiations and the curriculum in our life for our growth and for the evolution and growth of humanity, um, or of consciousness.
559
00:50:54,905 --> 00:50:55,355
Um.
560
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:03,410
And not to be just like down trodden by it, because it's big and it's heavy and it is, it, it can really push you down.
561
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:17,540
Um, but actually to see your, or to feel yourself engaging with it and to, I love how you said at the very beginning, it, this is our curriculum and this is our school and it's not gonna be easy.
562
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:23,870
Um, but we, you know, we don't get stronger unless we lift weights and unless we push against resistance.
563
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:47,660
I know I'm going around the houses a little bit, but the, the, the beauty that I have really found and the activation that came from your course ripe with Nisha Moodly, which was about really, I mean, you can, you'll be able to speak it better than I am, but this eros in midlife, and actually this is, it's a threshold into giving a little bit less of a shit about, or a lot less of a shit about what everyone else thinks.
564
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:54,230
And an initiation and an opportunity and a portal into that next level of remembering.
565
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:57,890
Who am I? Who am I, actually, what am I here for? Mm-hmm.
566
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,450
Yeah.
567
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:08,300
It's beautiful because in midlife, actually, we are meant to be more individual, more expressive, more connected to self.
568
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:15,230
There's this developmental process when we're in our younger years, when we're in our maiden years, we're figuring out how to survive.
569
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:17,600
We're very, that's correct.
570
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:20,390
You know, we're figuring out this is still a tender bud.
571
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:24,350
How do I make sure that it matures to adulthood? Okay, I gotta fit in.
572
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:25,370
I have to be safe.
573
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:28,250
I have to kind of not stand out, whatever it is.
574
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:35,450
But once we reach midlife, we actually have sturdy roots and deep connection to ourselves.
575
00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:48,395
And the thing, the changes that happen in our bodies, the decline of estrogen actually gives us more internal orientation as opposed to external tending and the neuroplasticity that's happening.
576
00:52:48,395 --> 00:52:52,445
We actually have pruning going on, getting rid of stuff that's not needed.
577
00:52:52,865 --> 00:52:55,895
And we're, it's, we're at our most powerful, I love this.
578
00:52:55,895 --> 00:52:59,105
It's the pruning, I can't remember this because I'm just pruning.
579
00:52:59,195 --> 00:53:01,145
Yeah, I'm just pruning.
580
00:53:01,145 --> 00:53:01,655
Just pruning.
581
00:53:01,655 --> 00:53:02,615
It's not that I can't remember.
582
00:53:02,615 --> 00:53:03,695
It's, I didn't need that.
583
00:53:03,905 --> 00:53:06,065
That wasn't important for my garden.
584
00:53:06,095 --> 00:53:14,435
I love, yes, and, and really it is, um, the erotic is just what it is to make love with life.
585
00:53:15,065 --> 00:53:15,395
Right.
586
00:53:15,395 --> 00:53:20,945
It's, it's to connect with anything outside of the self and create something.
587
00:53:21,965 --> 00:53:31,865
So the erotic is our full participation, pressed up against the edge of ourselves, meeting life, meeting the world.
588
00:53:32,075 --> 00:53:44,315
What do we wanna create? How do we wanna interact? And that requires knowing yourself, which is something that we actually don't really fully do until we reach midlife.
589
00:53:44,885 --> 00:53:55,805
But of course, by the time we actually know ourselves, conveniently society, the patriarchy, the powers that be are like, you're on your way out.
590
00:53:56,975 --> 00:54:14,645
But that to me is actually because it's when we're our most powerful, when we are the least able to be controlled, when we have more strength and more capacity to push against and more healthy rebellion and more like, actually, no, I don't think so.
591
00:54:15,125 --> 00:54:15,665
Mm-hmm.
592
00:54:16,115 --> 00:54:16,565
And so.
593
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:41,540
I want to live in a world where women at midlife and beyond are completely untamable by anything that would have us be less than wild, connected to our bodies at the erotic edge, contributing dancing with giving, but in this way, that's so true to self.
594
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:44,720
That's not about overgiving or extracting.
595
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:49,730
That's about the joy of making love with all that is.
596
00:54:49,825 --> 00:54:50,245
Mm-hmm.
597
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:56,270
It just, it feels like this sings to my cells.
598
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:57,110
Mm-hmm.
599
00:54:59,525 --> 00:55:01,805
Um, I'm gonna just flip it slightly.
600
00:55:01,805 --> 00:55:04,805
Ginny can ask you about electrolytes.
601
00:55:05,435 --> 00:55:05,765
Oh, great.
602
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Love it.
603
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Only because, only because, um, there was something that you said in the, in the van, in the car van on the way to, in Vanessa, I think it was.
604
00:55:16,535 --> 00:55:17,315
Um mm-hmm.
605
00:55:17,675 --> 00:55:23,675
And you, it was about talking about how information travels through the body and our cells are receivers.
606
00:55:23,735 --> 00:55:30,605
I mean, I think you, you kind of already know, but there was something that, it was like, I, what did she say? I wish I just put that in my phone to remember it.
607
00:55:32,315 --> 00:55:46,805
Well, you know, one of the things that I've learned, because when I, when we work with medicine, because I'm so in touch with the body, there's always a toll, right? There's a, um, when we're asked to run such a large amount of energy through the body, there is attacks.
608
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Of that.
609
00:55:47,885 --> 00:56:15,875
And so I've, in my space holding, I've been so curious, like, what does a body need to replenish or to prepare well to run that amount of energy? And how can I support that as a space holder? How can I make sure that people have the ingredients that the physical body needs to actually be a conduit? And one of the things that I heard was that electrolytes and minerals specifically are, are key ingredients of the communication system that's happening.
610
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Cell to cell to sell to cell to cell.
611
00:56:17,795 --> 00:56:31,085
And so when those things, those things get used up in high levels of communication, high levels of running energy, right? So that can be expressed as sweating, which is when we're like, oh, I need to replenish with electrolytes.
612
00:56:31,085 --> 00:56:39,425
But if you think about what precedes sweating, it's the use and, you know, the, the creation of, and use of a lot of energy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Kinetic or otherwise.
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And so a makes total sense that that ingredient would get.
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Depleted in use.
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And so filling back up with that ingredient is what keeps the cells able to run that level of communication.
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And when you really dial in and listen, every food, every nutrient, every antioxidant, every thing that is a gift from this earth for our bodies to be able to thrive has a functionality like that.
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Mm.
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And so when I sort of felt that about electrolytes, I was like, of course.
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Like, why would we not stock up on them and then replenish them when we're running a lot of energy? Like, why would we make our bodies run on less than a full tank? Mm-hmm.
622
00:57:23,375 --> 00:57:24,635
You know? Mm-hmm.
623
00:57:25,205 --> 00:57:25,685
Thank you.
624
00:57:25,895 --> 00:57:31,145
Uh, again, I'm just kind of seeing just, it feels like it's just connecting all the dots for me.
625
00:57:31,205 --> 00:57:40,895
You know, just seeing, like we said, cellular, connective tissue, relationship work, sole purpose, all of these things that it's all the same.
626
00:57:41,255 --> 00:57:41,375
Mm-hmm.
627
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It's all the same.
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It's all the same.
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And the connective tissue that runs through all things, like one thing on the map can be lit up for us.
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Like, oh, this needs my attention.
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But when we give what is needing our attention, attention, it runs and impacts all other things.
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Mm.
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Nothing we do is separate from anything else.
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Mm.
635
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:07,190
Thank you so much for today.
636
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:08,600
I, yeah.
637
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I've, I'm so grateful for you.
638
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:12,380
Um, I, I, yeah.
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I'm really grateful for you.
640
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I'm so in awe of how you see the world, how you articulate what you see, how you share it so practically.
641
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Um, and also that invitation into the more, you know, the unseen.
642
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I think it's just such a beautiful dance.
643
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:32,720
Um, I would love to ask one final question.
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So my, my business is called aligned.
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Um.
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And is there something that, that word conjuress up for you? Just this being in alignment, what does it mean to you? What does it feel like in your body, in your cells, in your soul, to be in, in alignment? Yeah.
647
00:58:51,275 --> 00:58:54,275
I love this name for your work.
648
00:58:54,515 --> 00:58:57,245
I mean, it's, to me it is.
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00:58:57,305 --> 00:59:05,165
When I imagine it energetically, it evokes relaxation.
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It's what I feel.
651
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It's like, it, it evokes when one is aligned, you can actually achieve complete physical relaxation that then allows you to be a, a conduit through which spirit can play its song.
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Yeah.
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00:59:27,185 --> 00:59:29,705
It's that surrender again, isn't it? It's that surrender.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think sometimes we think about coming into alignment as like, it requires effort and work and maybe.
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It requires attention, but it actually is the opposite of effort in a way.
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It's like a, an allowing and a trusting and a being worked on.
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Mm.
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It's the participation again.
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Um, and that discernment and that sense.
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Sensory.
662
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It's a sensory.
663
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Am I, am I here? Am I there? And yeah.
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And I love that.
665
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And then being that portal for, how did you say it? For soul to You're Soul to Dance Through You.
666
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Yes.
667
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For Spirit to play its song.
668
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Thats what just came through.
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I don't know where that came from.
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Love it.
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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:21,560
But but truly, it's like when I'm aligned, whatever is a higher frequency can run through unimpeded.
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Yeah.
673
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Yeah.
674
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:27,350
And that is just how I wanna live my life.
675
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I don't wanna be doing all of the.
676
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That other stuff, the small talk, the, you know, the sticky stuff.
677
01:00:33,860 --> 01:00:42,680
I'm like, can you get off of me? This is where I wanna be sing, singing this song.
678
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Oh, Ginny, thank you so much.
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Thank you so much for your work in the world.
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Thank you so much for your bravery, you know, for your trust and for being this pioneer and leading the way.
681
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Um, I know we've only met a few times, but um, I do feel a deep soul connection to you and I see such a teacher in you, um, and I really am deeply grateful for that.
682
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Where can people find you? So, I have a new website coming.
683
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It's under construction, but you can go to jenny muir.com
684
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and that will take you to my Instagram.
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That will take you to my substack where I do writing.
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Um, I have an upcoming workshop.
687
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That's like sort of the easiest way.
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If people wanna engage with my work.
689
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On December 7th, I'm teaching a workshop called Death Bloom, which is seasonally appropriate.
690
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You know, we're in the winter, we're in the cycle where things die.
691
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And everything that I've talked about today around like what has to die in order for the next thing to come, that death process is really tricky and it's where a lot of us get stuck.
692
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So I've basically mapped how to move through it efficiently with surrendered participation.
693
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That's great.
694
01:01:52,175 --> 01:01:55,685
And I'm condensed it all into this three hour ritual workshop.
695
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So that's the like easiest if people wanna actually come in and engage.
696
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But I would love for people to follow me on Instagram.
697
01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:02,490
Yeah.
698
01:02:02,495 --> 01:02:04,685
That's where I write and share and substack.
699
01:02:04,745 --> 01:02:10,770
Um, and just to stay in touch that way to, you know, for the next round of alchemical relationship to collect.
700
01:02:10,835 --> 01:02:10,895
Yeah.
701
01:02:10,895 --> 01:02:15,455
There'll be another round coming in January and so there's a place to get on the wait list for that.
702
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:18,335
There's all kinds of, um, yeah, you can links to.
703
01:02:18,905 --> 01:02:24,395
Links to everything in my, in my link tree and Instagram is kind of like where it's all like really detailed.
704
01:02:24,395 --> 01:02:32,945
So that would be a great place for me and they can reach out if they wanted to explore one-on-one or exactly journeying or any retreats, et cetera.
705
01:02:33,395 --> 01:02:33,905
Exactly.
706
01:02:34,925 --> 01:02:44,835
Okay darling, is there anything else you wanted to say or share just before we close? Just deep gratitude for you, for your being, for your radiance, thank you.
707
01:02:44,925 --> 01:02:45,645
Thank you, thank you.
708
01:02:45,645 --> 01:02:46,815
Thank you so much.
709
01:02:46,845 --> 01:02:47,175
My pleasure.
710
01:02:47,175 --> 01:02:52,845
Thank you so much for doing this and for reaching out and for this conversation for what you're sharing with the world.
711
01:02:53,445 --> 01:02:54,105
Oh, I'm honored.
712
01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:54,915
All right, my love.
713
01:02:55,065 --> 01:02:56,235
Hope to see you really soon.
714
01:02:56,955 --> 01:02:57,375
Absolutely.
715
01:02:57,825 --> 01:02:58,245
Bye-bye.
716
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Bye.
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So welcome to this episode of the Aligned Podcast.
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Today I have the honor of sitting with the radiant wise and deeply alive GI Muir.
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Ginny is a transformational guide, mentor, and intuitive whose work explores the deep terrain of relational truth, emotional clarity, and spiritual connection.
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With over 15 years of experience in guiding brave humans through deep inner alchemy, GI helps people transmute fear, shame, trauma, and conditioning into power, self-trust, and presence.
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She leads courses like Ripe and the alchemical relationship collective one-to-ones and retreats, and she helps people to access real intimacy with themselves and with others while anchoring in their deepest truth.
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I met Ginny in Spring 2024 on a transformational retreat in Scotland over the spring Equinox, there were seven of us and we all traveled independently.
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And then we met at the witchery near Edinburgh Castle.
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So, you know, the magic began there.
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Um, and then from there we took a journey up to pol, which was, you know, it was just so fabulous, us all getting to know each other in the car, those moments of, um, kind of quiet and laughter and then awkwardness, and then just intimacy building.
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Um, and then eventually we went, we took the ferry over to the Isle of Lewis in the outer Hebert.
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And what unfolded was nothing short of life changing.
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Um, on the day of the Equinox, we visited the Callanish stones, and I'd never been there before and we all experienced a spontaneous ceremony.
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I mean, it's like something out of a, out of a film.
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And I felt like it really cracked open.
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I mean, something in all of us that was, I mean.
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It was in another realm, wasn't it, that I, we will talk about it, but seven women stood in awe as unplanned music and masculine presence arrived to hold the container for us, pipes, drums, and the deep mystery of timing and place.
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And I think that night changed all of us.
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Uh, since then, I've had the privilege of experiencing Ginny's work through her course ripe with Nisha Moodley, and now as a participant in the alchemical relationship collective.
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And I think I'm just gonna do everything you ever put out in future.
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I'm just gonna, just gonna eat it all up.
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I'm just gonna be there, fan girl.
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Um, but just wrapping up Ginny's way of seeing the world and being in the world activates something deep in me, and it, it kind of feels like a mirror or a key or a deep remembering.
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Uh, so Ginny, I'm really grateful that you're here.
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Um, and I would love to hear you speak your magic and, and maybe to introduce yourself if there there's anything else that you want to add to that or Yeah.
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Anything you're arriving with today.
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Well, first of all, I'm like, can you send me what you just read because I think you just wrote the best bio Good has ever been given to me or about me.
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I'll do that.
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I'm de deeply grateful.
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Wow, you wove together so many beautiful pieces.
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Um, I have shivers.
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It's the thing that I wanna be, as you were talking about our journey to Scotland and remembering that moment, which you just evoked so beautifully.
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Every hair started standing on end, just going back to that place and to that experience, which was just pure magic.
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And I think that is, those are the moments I live for, truly Me too.
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And I think they're available to all of us.
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And it requires devotion, it requires participation, it requires showing up.
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And that's so often what I stand for.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's like, how do we participate fully in this life? How do we bring our full aliveness? How do we move what's in the way of us bringing our full aliveness? Whatever that is, which whatever we carry is no fault of our own.
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Mm-hmm.
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And also it is ours to work with and as you said to Alchemize.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that's the ongoing project of being fully alive here.
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And I really feel when we do that, we get to experience those moments like you just described, of epic collaboration with all of life, the scene and the unseen.
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Hmm.
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I love that.
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I mean, the words that jumped out the most was magic.
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It really, it really did feel like ma magic, that, that evening it was unplanned.
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I mean, the plan was we go to the ish stones.
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That was the plan at this time.
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That was it.
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The plan was, you know, we gather ourselves, we bring our full energy.
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So as you said, we spent a couple days really dropping in together.
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So that part was really important.
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Dropping in together and dropping in with the land.
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Um, from all of the places from which we had traveled, arriving, bringing ourselves together, bringing ourselves fully there, and being called to those stones at sunset on the Equinox.
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And then we were just gonna see, and as you said, what unfolded, just felt like we couldn't have planned it.
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We, we collaborated in the planning of it, and we showed up fully and.
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Life made so much magic with us and for us, and that's so beautiful, isn't it? You know, as a space holder, just as a human that we don't always have to be doing all the time.
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It's just showing up for still to do the work and, and to be present and to enable kind of these intimate moments with other souls that are in the space.
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Um, but had you kind of cultivated or created something, I'm sure it would've been gorgeous, but it wouldn't have been what came through in that moment for each of us, which was men just kind of coming out of nowhere.
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We were, we were there.
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Men came out of nowhere.
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One guy was playing a did do, which was just a pipe, but I'm sure he did it for at least an hour.
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Another guy on a drum.
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They were circling the stones while we, we just sat there in deep presence and in awe of, of what was going, you know, it just, mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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It, it blows my mind.
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But I think also as a space holder, it is, what is the word I'm looking for? Just, you can do a bit less, actually.
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How lovely is that? That, I mean, I'm, I am a planner.
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I'm a little bit one foot in both.
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I like to have all the plans to have connected with the topic or whatever it is I'm holding.
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But then the magic doesn't happen there.
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There's, there's something in my human self that wants to know that I've covered all bases.
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That if it goes, you know, tits up, then I've got the plan.
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Mm-hmm.
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But the beauty is actually in the, can I just let it go? Yeah.
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This, that combination is something that I call surrendered participation.
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Right.
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Because if we don't participate, we're kind of collapsed.
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We're kind of floppy.
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Mm-hmm.
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The participation is the part that's asked of us, but the surrender is the overarching energy.
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Right.
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I can participate, I can show up, and also not so rigidly.
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That I'm not available to the flow.
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Mm-hmm.
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Or to the plan being redirected to something that is actually deeply beyond my capacity to create all by myself.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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That takes a lot of trust, doesn't it? Yeah.
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Um, trust in self, you know, just even, I'm even relating it straight back to the body of noticing kind of habits of jaw kicking in or shoulders kicking in, or like the body not being able to have this flexibility.
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I know before we hit record, we spoke about fascia connective tissue in this adaptability of body.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, and kind of weaving the two together.
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I'm seeing that in order for us to be able to meet the moment, it can be so helpful for us to have met ourselves first, because if we don't trust ourselves, we can't trust anything.
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Because if we don't trust ourselves, how do we trust what we're trusting? Yeah, right.
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It's the trust in self that enables us to trust everything else, to trust our own discernment as to what is trustable and what's not trustable, which is important.
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And so trusting in your own capacity to meet whatever comes and trusting in your own discernment is the basis for all trust.
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I love that.
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I feel like that's mic drop.
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It feels huge.
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And actually, this was my first more structured question to you, and it comes into this trusting of self.
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Would you be happy to share some of your journey, um, of really meeting yourself, uh, and learning to trust yourself? And actually who even am I along the way, that journey of, um.
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Who you were.
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Um, and finding yourself in places where you, you thought, I mean, this isn't me, actually, this isn't me.
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I don't wanna be here.
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This is, this doesn't quite fit.
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And then how you navigated, how you could trust yourself, that you weren't just asking for too much or you weren't just kind of, you know, just having a moment in your, you know, how did you trust yourself to, to know that your desire to be in a different place was the right way to go.
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Would you mind speaking about that a little bit? Yeah, that's, it's such a beautiful journey.
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I mean, I think we all come in as souls in essence, but we also come in with a curriculum.
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I don't think that this place that we've incarnated Earth is meant to be a cakewalk, as demonstrated by everyone's experience.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's meant to be school.
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And so we each have a different.
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Curriculum that we're working with.
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And that curriculum is intentional.
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That curriculum is loving actually, and it is challenging by design.
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So for me, I can feel, uh, you know, we come in as souls and essence and almost immediately we begin being limited by conditioning, by imprinting from our family, of origin, from society, from capitalism, from the patriarchy, from the wounds passed down through generations.
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We're not even aware of everything that's kind of pressing in and layering on top of that, which I believe is the truest burning essence at the center of each soul.
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And so a part of the journey is unraveling all of that stuff to find what's underneath.
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And we all have different inroads, you know, and different kind of core wounds that we're working with.
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But for me.
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There was really this core wound of dishonesty feeling that I had to actually lie about who I was in order to belong in this world.
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And that was, I felt that without being able to articulate what that was, from a very early age, feeling like there's a vast landscape in here that's different from what I observe many people seeming to feel or experience.
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And so I learned to kind of create masks, to be able to twist myself into a pretzel, to look pleasing or right for belonging, which is what we're all here to do.
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And in our child selves, of course, our number one need is to stay connected, to stay in attachment, to maintain belonging with the beings who are actually providing our sustenance.
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It's for allowing for our survival.
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They feel very necessary to our survival.
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It doesn't feel like it's a choice even.
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It feels like what must be done.
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And some part of us, some very primal survival part is like, this must be done so that I don't die.
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And then usually at some point what I see is that there's something that happens in our lives often in our late twenties in astrology, they'll call it the Saturn return.
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And it's kind of this moment where things start to come crumbling down and you have a little bit of a choice point.
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Are you gonna continue in the way that you've been going, including that which doesn't truly work for you because it feels like what you're supposed to do, or the shoulds, or are you going to wake up inside of that? And start making some really hard choices.
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They usually feel like deaths on a level about honoring what's actually in here, getting to know what's actually in here.
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And for me, that was a whole unearthing process I had so expertly covered it over.
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It's powerful in me.
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So it wasn't totally out.
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There were ways that it would kind of come out sideways for me because the essence of my being is quite wild.
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The essence of my being is so devoted to freedom.
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Above all else, it's like freedom is the driver.
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And I was born into the patriarchal American south where everything is very much about looking a certain way, following certain rules.
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Particularly as a woman being pleasing, you know, orienting towards what do I need to do to get safe.
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There's a lot of conditioning there.
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But for me, it really came through my body and I think that that's, it's, it continues to be my deepest guiding light.
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And I believe the body is always a truth teller.
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Mm-hmm.
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So all physical symptoms are the body, not the body trying to be a problem, of course, but the body trying to alert us in the way that the body has, that it's just not working.
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That we're trying to exert too much force over the natural way.
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Mean, to this day I'm so, so grateful in the moment it felt really inconvenient.
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It was as though my whole body started shutting down on me, and it was not anything that Western medicine could explain.
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You know, I went to see doctors and, but I was having, couldn't sleep through the night.
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I was getting nauseous almost every day.
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I just felt like I had dark circles under my eyes.
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I was, I felt like I was like a, it was like a slow Something is dying.
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Couldn't.
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And there wasn't an easy explanation.
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They, the western medicine doctors were like, oh, I don't know, maybe you're hypoglycemic these very unsatisfying answers.
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And so I went on a journey of actually listening to my body and what she needed and beginning to nourish myself in the correct way.
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I had struggled with an eating disorder, so I had really undern nourishing eating habits.
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I had, you know, no idea about the difference between nutrients and toxins.
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I had no idea about what I was putting into my body as fuel and what she needed.
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And so in learning to nourish myself, all sorts of things actually started to open up.
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It was like these doors began opening.
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It was though I'd been living in a, a mansion, but just existing in the hallway in a way.
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And the doors started to fly open as energy came back into my body and I became aware of my chakras.
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I found acupuncturists and I found yoga, and I found deeper truths about what my body was trying to tell me.
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And that was the start of my journey of really realizing, oh, I've been fed a whole bunch of things that aren't actually true.
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And it wasn't from a place of anger, it was just from a place of, I must remember feeling like a growl in my belly.
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Like, no, just a powerful, strong no.
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And began to uncover what else wasn't true to me and to my being about how I was living.
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And turns out it was a lot because I had basically constructed an entire life, a marriage, a very riy, patriarchal career in real estate development that was just about climbing a ladder, a very masculine world.
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Um, friendships, even with the kind of people that I didn't feel truly met or seen by that I kind of always felt a little like I didn't belong or left out and I had to look around my entire life and dismantle it really thing by thing.
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And that that's a part of it.
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It's just like the, the, the, it can't happen all at once.
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Sometimes it does, sometimes it happens all at once and the whole thing burns down.
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But more often than not, it's a slow dismantling and reassembling and it does take deep self-trust and it's fraught with doubt.
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What am I doing? Am I making the wrong decision? But for me, I just began to listen to the place that I noticed was never leading me astray.
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That when I listened to my body and when I listened to my intuition and when I listened to my true desire.
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Not my ego desire, but some bigger, wider desire.
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Even when the choices I was making were hard, they led me to a place of greater liberation, and I just kept gathering data that that was true, and that was the thing that really helped me to build trust.
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It was over probably a 10 year period that I just kept trying things out and noticing how did the quality of my life change when I listened to that inner voice and to the guidance from my body and my own deeper knowing.
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And what I noticed was that the quality of my life just improved.
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That things became more aligned.
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So the, what I'm really hearing is like an undernourishment with food, but also in perhaps relationship, perhaps work, perhaps friendships.
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Is that.
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Deeper level of undernourishment, um, um, and what really brought you back into that alignment or that discernment was focusing on you.
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It wasn't just focusing on, oh, well this isn't the right relationship for me, or this is, you know, this isn't the right, it was actually, first of all, it sounds like coming back to you and working on your health, your resonance, your relationship with yourself, and knowing that you will always put yourself first and trust yourself and trust those feelings.
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And I love how you say data.
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You know, you started to build this data of, oh, okay, well I was brave enough to step away from that and I'm still alive and I feel a little bit more on track, or I feel a little bit more liberated.
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And it, it does, it gives you that data and then that trust to, okay, maybe I can take this next step.
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'cause I didn't veer myself wrong the last time.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And then the.
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The guidance kind of kept becoming more and more edgy, I would say.
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And so in 2013 was the first time that I met plant medicine and I took a trip to Peru.
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I had never worked with psychedelics, I had never worked with plant medicine.
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I was just called, that's all I can remember is that I heard about this opportunity and this experience.
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And back in that time it was a way more fringe.
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It was not something that is as mainstream recognized as it is now, which is beautiful development that were more open to the teachings of the plants.
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But it was really edgy.
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And so I kind of just told everyone in my life I was going on a yoga trip to Peru and I was so shifted When I came back, I was having dinner with my mom who came to visit me in Washington, DC and she's very intuitive.
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We have a deep connection.
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Um, and she, we were out to dinner and over a glass of wine, you know, she just said she has a southern accent, and she said, now were you just doing yoga on that trip? Because you seem really different.
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That's amazing.
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It, it's like the kind of different that you can't hide.
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You know, the kind of just inhabiting your cells more fully that everyone notices.
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Even if you're not shouting it from the rooftops.
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That you're just more in your skin, you're more settled into your being, you are living from a different frequency.
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So how can plant medicine do this? I just, because I always love how you, you know, how you particularly see things and, and come in with your insights.
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Because when I had my one and only journey, which was with you mm-hmm.
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I was, I was a little nervous for it.
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I don't know if you know this actually.
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So my word when we went around the circle and then we were all invited to, to find a word to connect with, and for some reason the word remember came up for me.
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Um, and I really was just thinking, oh, remember that you are strong.
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You know, remember that you are a cult.
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You know, that kind of, but I didn't anticipate that I was gonna remember being the original consciousness and remember being, literally being the mycelial network and feeling Janine's laughter ripple through me and feeling Brittany's tears ripple.
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I didn't anticipate that, you know, I was just like, just remember you got it, girl was kind of what I was, what I was planning.
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You know, be careful what you wish for.
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Um, and, and so many other things that I remembered from.
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Millennia ago.
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But did you, did you, I don't know if I've told you that I had, this is, remember I've had it tattooed on my arm.
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Oh my gosh.
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I have shivers again.
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My only tattoo.
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My only tattoo.
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I had it done in Seville last year.
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I'm gonna cry.
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But when I was getting a little nervous, um, because this is something I really want to work with is, um, losing control.
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I want to lose, I wanna be able to lose control Ginny, um, more.
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And, and actually even still reflecting on that incredible journey, I still get a little bit nervous of how I had to surrender.
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I really had, I mean, you have to surrender.
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You have no choice, do you? It's not like, well, I've just had one foot in, one foot out.
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It was totally in another stratosphere.
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But that was, again, like we said at the beginning of our call, this is where the magic came in.
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But when I was getting nervous beforehand, you, you looked into my eyes and you just said, you, you are inviting another consciousness into your body.
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You're inviting another consciousness to come in and have a dialogue with you to be in relationship with you.
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And I was like, yeah, okay.
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I'm on board now.
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Now this makes sense.
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I'm not just doing this kind of crazy thing and that, you know, it just suddenly made sense.
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Those words really were really resonant.
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So what, what is the technology? What is the magic? What is it that happens? 'cause I know every journey is different.
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What's coming up for you in this moment around.
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How, how do they support us? Mm-hmm.
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So primarily after meeting the plant medicine for the first time in 2013, I was told fairly quickly by the plants themselves that I was a carrier of this consciousness and I was meant to hold and support people in connecting with the intelligence.
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It's primarily an intelligence deeper, other than human, different intelligence that comes through mushrooms in particular.
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And at first I said like, no, thank you, not me.
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You must have a, you must be mistaken.
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I am just a little small woman who is not at all a medicine person.
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But it was very insistent the call.
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And um, so I had to learn to actually.
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Deeply trust the intelligence of that consciousness because it is other than human.
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But if we look at mushrooms, really look at them.
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They're older than we are, so they are essentially our ancestors.
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They have been here on planet Earth way longer than we have, and successfully thrived in every single environment on this planet.
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So obviously they know something that we haven't quite yet figured out.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so when I watch them, when I watch how they participate with every ecosystem, it's, it's as if, how could I not, who am I? How egoic to not trust that this intelligence has something for me.
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And the compound of psilocybin is the way that mushrooms, the whole mushroom fungal kingdom communicates with humanity.
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And what a gift.
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That they have developed this compound that allows them to speak with us.
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That's incredible.
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I love that.
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It's incredible.
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So that's their way, that's their language.
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That's their way of, yeah.
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I kept getting, I speaking with humans, they actually have a way of contributing, speaking with every single element on this planet.
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They have a way of speaking with water.
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They have a way of speaking with other plant beings.
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They have a way of speaking with animals.
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And psilocybin is the way that they have learned to communicate with humans.
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What a gift, what a generosity.
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And so to me, to approach it with reverence and to say in a non egoic, humble way, I am willing to open my consciousness, my human consciousness to receive teachings from something other than human that could potentially infuse me and change me forever.
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It is very brave.
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It always invokes nervousness.
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That's the correct response.
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Think if you're sitting at the feet of a great teacher, of course you feel nervous because they see everything.
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They see you, they see what you're carrying.
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They see what needs to be composted and let go.
303
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,935
They see what wants to be opened and yeah.
304
00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:15,455
You can't just like, I'm just gonna hide this little one here.
305
00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:18,185
No, it's all on display.
306
00:27:18,695 --> 00:27:18,785
Yeah.
307
00:27:19,715 --> 00:27:20,765
And so that's a part of it.
308
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:32,360
That's a part of why it's such an initiatory experience, because so many of us are hesitant to let ourselves be seen so fully by something that has impeccable sight.
309
00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:33,000
Mm-hmm.
310
00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:37,895
And impeccable capacity to really sort of scan us and see what's needed.
311
00:27:38,735 --> 00:27:45,305
And the reason every single journey is different is because every conversation is different between this consciousness and the human in question.
312
00:27:45,785 --> 00:27:48,815
It's not going to be the same conversation every time.
313
00:27:48,845 --> 00:28:06,185
They're going to ascertain what does this one need? What is this one missing? What would really benefit this one in living more fully, in being more energetically true and open and oriented towards life as opposed to death.
314
00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:10,965
You said the reason why every journey is different is because every conversation is different.
315
00:28:11,415 --> 00:28:12,345
Right, exactly.
316
00:28:12,345 --> 00:28:16,485
So it's a conversation between this consciousness and the human in question.
317
00:28:17,025 --> 00:28:38,085
And so of course, no, no two conversations are gonna be the same because essentially what they do is they come into the system and mushrooms are just always looking at how is the energy, right? What is life and what is death? And if we think about how they grow in in the world, they're, the mycelium is underneath every square inch of soil.
318
00:28:38,145 --> 00:28:45,015
And when they encounter decaying matter, they compost it and bloom, they compost it and fruit.
319
00:28:45,315 --> 00:28:47,235
And so they do the same in our systems.
320
00:28:47,265 --> 00:28:54,135
They look for where is their dead stuck material that could be broken down and alchemized into life.
321
00:28:55,395 --> 00:28:58,935
And it's often, if you think about also how they look in the world, it's quite humor.
322
00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:05,790
They're sort of quirky and weird and like all like the most strange shapes.
323
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:05,940
Mm-hmm.
324
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,610
And so that's also the medicine they use with us.
325
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:12,030
They use like humor and wonder and awe.
326
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:43,080
And, um, that's how we know that stuff that is in the way of us moving and orienting more towards the aliveness in ourselves is being broken down on our behalf so that we can, you know, they're working with the nervous system, they're working with the brain, but they're basically opening up pathways that have been blocked or kinked or, you know, damaged through trauma and helping us to remember to remember what our nervous systems actually have the capacity to run.
327
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:55,965
And that's what I was sharing with you in your experience was I could really feel in your system how tuned your body is as a result of all of the physical, deeply physical work you've done.
328
00:29:56,595 --> 00:30:01,875
So your system actually had the capacity to run a lot of energy already.
329
00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:05,475
They didn't need to do such deep repair work.
330
00:30:05,475 --> 00:30:07,035
You've done that on your own.
331
00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:11,205
And so that's how they could take you back to like the primordial soup of all time.
332
00:30:11,895 --> 00:30:17,295
Because for some people it's like, oh no, we just have to go back to this childhood memory where there's a lot of stuck energy.
333
00:30:17,445 --> 00:30:17,535
Mm-hmm.
334
00:30:17,775 --> 00:30:17,865
Right.
335
00:30:17,865 --> 00:30:27,465
We have to go back into this room where you received a wound or where something painful happened, and we have to work to break that down for you because it's a big deterrent.
336
00:30:27,795 --> 00:30:30,165
But for you, they were like, oh, we're good.
337
00:30:30,165 --> 00:30:30,945
We're good, we're good.
338
00:30:31,125 --> 00:30:33,705
Download all of the wisdom of life.
339
00:30:33,795 --> 00:30:36,105
To her it was like that.
340
00:30:36,585 --> 00:30:37,515
It was, it was.
341
00:30:37,875 --> 00:30:38,895
It was incredible.
342
00:30:38,895 --> 00:30:40,095
It was a, yeah.
343
00:30:40,125 --> 00:30:41,445
There's not even words for it.
344
00:30:41,445 --> 00:30:54,615
And when you looked into my eyes and you said that, because there was a moment where I was like, this is a lot, this is just such a lot to suddenly it's like you've had what is is even the image I'm looking for, it's just like.
345
00:30:55,155 --> 00:30:59,655
Lifting up the veil and like, whoa, there is just so much to see.
346
00:30:59,835 --> 00:31:04,125
You know, where I was like, well, I, this is true and this is that, and this is, you know, I've got my bearings.
347
00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:06,225
And then suddenly it's like there's no bearings.
348
00:31:06,315 --> 00:31:08,775
You know, it, it was, yeah.
349
00:31:08,835 --> 00:31:20,535
And it was so helpful for you to come in, in that moment, and I feel like that's why I really connect to how you like hold this work, is you have, it feels very safe with you.
350
00:31:20,535 --> 00:31:25,815
It feels that you've, you've really very much see it and you understand the technology or the anatomy of it.
351
00:31:26,355 --> 00:31:34,245
Um, and you are, it's that divine surrendering again, isn't it? That, what was it you called it earlier, the, um, surrendered participation.
352
00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:34,515
Yeah.
353
00:31:34,515 --> 00:31:35,865
Surrendered participation.
354
00:31:36,165 --> 00:31:36,375
Yeah.
355
00:31:36,375 --> 00:31:37,245
That's why I really learned it.
356
00:31:37,245 --> 00:31:42,885
I learned it with them because I will say that as a part of my journey, I had a lot of trust issues.
357
00:31:43,425 --> 00:31:46,815
With the world, with life with other humans in particular.
358
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:55,575
I really, as I started coming into my own, as I said, like I felt some anger, I felt some distrust at that which I had been fed.
359
00:31:56,055 --> 00:32:02,835
And so learning to trust again was a big part of the assignment for me.
360
00:32:02,985 --> 00:32:10,935
And when I first met the mushrooms, my instantaneous awareness was this is something so pure.
361
00:32:11,835 --> 00:32:13,365
It might not always be easy.
362
00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:17,595
Sometimes they can be intense, they can be direct, they can be fierce.
363
00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:19,485
They can be relentless.
364
00:32:19,785 --> 00:32:24,105
But it's so trustable in that it's in service of love.
365
00:32:24,405 --> 00:32:24,675
Yeah.
366
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:30,105
And it was the, I feel, I felt that and I felt, oh, this is my job.
367
00:32:30,105 --> 00:32:33,885
My job is to actually hold and transmit unshakeable.
368
00:32:33,885 --> 00:32:39,645
Trust me as someone who's not that easily trusting so I can get it when someone's in my space and they're.
369
00:32:40,605 --> 00:32:44,835
They're resistant or they're a little closed to trust, but I get to transmit to them.
370
00:32:44,835 --> 00:32:45,555
I know.
371
00:32:46,545 --> 00:32:48,345
And also, I'm not easily trusting.
372
00:32:48,345 --> 00:32:54,855
I'm very discerning about what I trust and I trust this fully and it's good and you can trust it.
373
00:32:54,855 --> 00:32:56,115
And there's love here, right.
374
00:32:56,115 --> 00:33:01,305
And just getting to transmit that and, um, that's a big part of what it is to be a space holder.
375
00:33:01,305 --> 00:33:01,755
Truly.
376
00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:12,525
And you said in service of love, which I feel like is so much of your work, you know, in service of love, of self-love, first and foremost, perhaps.
377
00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:21,015
Um, and then your, your work in our chemical relationship collective in service of love.
378
00:33:21,015 --> 00:33:21,105
Mm-hmm.
379
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:22,070
Um.
380
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:28,710
Could, could, you, can, can you share kind of that bridging of the two? 'cause I'm really seeing them in that moment.
381
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:30,270
I really just saw it as the same thing.
382
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:35,310
So what the, the intelligence of the mushrooms is doing in service of love.
383
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:40,650
I'm, I'm giving you this, I'm supporting you to see this, this might be a hard truth.
384
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:41,370
Mm-hmm.
385
00:33:41,371 --> 00:33:43,920
Um, I'm reflecting it back at you, but it's in service of love.
386
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,380
It's not just to kind of, well see, see what you did there.
387
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:57,060
You know, and this is, it seems, well it is in my experience of what you do in this relationship collective, um, course that you're holding, this space that you're holding.
388
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Again, it's this truth.
389
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,030
And, and you are coming in.
390
00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:02,700
It's like the inte intelligence is coming in through you.
391
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:03,660
Mm-hmm.
392
00:34:04,105 --> 00:34:04,395
Yeah.
393
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:06,540
What they taught, what the mushrooms taught me.
394
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:08,790
So I've always been a highly relational being.
395
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:15,150
And so much of my early heartbreak was feeling let down by relationship, wanting so much.
396
00:34:15,765 --> 00:34:29,985
Feeling the capacity of my own heart and wanting so much to feel met in that energy of truth and freedom and acceptance and helpful mirroring of one another with the intention of growing.
397
00:34:29,985 --> 00:34:35,085
And that's the frequency of relationship that I've always oriented to.
398
00:34:35,475 --> 00:34:41,565
And meeting the mushrooms was the first time I met a consciousness that does that flawlessly.
399
00:34:42,345 --> 00:34:46,845
Their medicine is reciprocity in every environment where they grow.
400
00:34:46,875 --> 00:34:54,135
They never take more than they give, and they never receive more than they offer back.
401
00:34:54,165 --> 00:35:03,225
There's always this perfect symbiosis with the environment, and that is something that human beings struggle with.
402
00:35:04,425 --> 00:35:06,495
We struggle because of our own egos.
403
00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:10,305
We don't see that that's actually the most.
404
00:35:11,115 --> 00:35:17,715
Effective way that it's the most generative way, that in the long term it's the most productive way.
405
00:35:18,045 --> 00:35:39,885
But it requires constantly tracking for where is it mine to offer something and where is it mine to learn something and where is it mine to, to be in the giving posture? And where is it mine to be in the receiving posture? And so learning from the mushrooms I saw, oh, what I understand deeply is the connective tissue between all things.
406
00:35:40,575 --> 00:35:55,845
And that our relationship with everything, our relationship with the earth, our relationship with the plants, our relationship with other humans, our relationship with ourselves, that is actually why we come into bodies, is to relate.
407
00:35:57,195 --> 00:36:03,675
And some of the deepest teachings, the the most challenging places are in our relationships with other humans.
408
00:36:03,915 --> 00:36:04,485
Essentially.
409
00:36:04,485 --> 00:36:09,675
That's where I would say 90% of our wounding occurs in intimacy with other humans.
410
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:10,590
It's, yeah.
411
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:16,890
And so our healing journeys also have to happen in relationship with other humans.
412
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:22,110
And so once I saw that, that's really to me love in that way.
413
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:30,015
Love, not ownership, not attachment, not pride, not control, but capital L.
414
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:40,050
Love finding the way to be an open-hearted connection with other humans has the power to be the single most transformational thing in your life if you let it.
415
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:52,710
And so my work in the alchemical relationship collective, which is just a gathering space, a practice space for us to talk together about all of the human things which are nothing to be ashamed of.
416
00:36:53,250 --> 00:37:05,460
All the human things that get in the way of us feeling truly connected to one another and becoming skillful at working with those and through those together.
417
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,650
Because there actually is always a way.
418
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:21,930
And I want to live in a world where we are oriented to that being true, to finding the way forward with one another.
419
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:29,610
What is the medicine that I have for this one? What is the medicine that this one has for me? Maybe it's intense, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
420
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:34,110
Maybe it's challenging, but that is what is needed.
421
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:43,860
Or maybe it's just beautiful and my heart gets to bloom open in the presence of this other person, and I get to just like fully receive that as a gift.
422
00:37:44,340 --> 00:38:07,110
So that to me feels like where the rubber meets the road, you know, is my, with everything I've learned and and been taught at the feet of the mushrooms, how I'm uniquely able to bring it into this world as a helpful thing is to smooth the relationships, the deep relationships between humans who have found one another.
423
00:38:07,695 --> 00:38:07,875
Hmm.
424
00:38:07,905 --> 00:38:16,185
Who are looking to activate one another and grow one another and transform one another because we can't do it all in here.
425
00:38:16,185 --> 00:38:19,905
It's a, it's like you said, like you have to be shown.
426
00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:21,885
You're too close to your own stuff.
427
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:22,845
You need a mirror.
428
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:31,850
You need another being to come and say, like, that thing you do that doesn't feel totally true or whatever.
429
00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:36,405
A lot of things are coming through.
430
00:38:36,405 --> 00:38:52,845
One, um, one question, or maybe it's a few questions I have, is do you see that your path would've been very different without that, without your relationship with the mushrooms? You know, how, how do you see that? It's kind of super sped.
431
00:38:53,895 --> 00:38:56,175
No, I'm, I know I'm kind of putting words, words into it.
432
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:57,195
No, it has for sure.
433
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,405
It, it, for me, it was an accelerator truly.
434
00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,055
And um.
435
00:39:02,415 --> 00:39:05,985
Something that I kind of didn't feel like I had a choice around.
436
00:39:05,985 --> 00:39:14,175
As I explained, it was just like, this is for me and whatever it is that I came here, whatever cycles I came here to break.
437
00:39:14,535 --> 00:39:19,605
And I feel like that's a, a big part of my soul's purpose here.
438
00:39:19,725 --> 00:39:35,655
And a lot of the people that I work with have a, a sort of knowing of the same thing for themselves, that there's something about their consciousness that came here with the intention of being a cycle breaker, a pattern breaker, an end and a beginning.
439
00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:44,655
And I needed the help of another intelligence to break that stuff down so that I wasn't just repeating.
440
00:39:44,805 --> 00:39:51,855
Because that's the easiest way the path of least resistance, is just repeat, repeat what we've been imprinted with, repeat the cycles that we've inherited.
441
00:39:52,485 --> 00:40:00,735
And sometimes in my experience, I felt I needed a little bit of outside allyship to break down some pretty gnarly stuff.
442
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:01,040
Yeah.
443
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:10,020
Some of it I'm aware of, some of it I don't even know, but I can feel as it clears from my body that it's no longer there, whatever it was.
444
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:21,720
And it feels like the more you clear, the more you decom decompose and the, there's the rebirth that's happening on all the, the cellular level and emotional and relational level.
445
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:29,790
The next level of karma is invited in or the next level of, um, kind of coherency and truth is invited in.
446
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:30,750
Yes.
447
00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:44,790
Um, would you mind speaking just a little bit about, it just really stood out to me hearing you say once, um, I'm so fabulous, uh, at relationships with, you know, friends and this is my thing, you know, I'm here to, to bring love.
448
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,020
I'm here to shine a light and to, to bring love really.
449
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:54,150
But romantic relationships were a real, that was the kind of the sticking point.
450
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,290
And you almost were residing to the fact of like.
451
00:40:56,835 --> 00:40:59,535
I think maybe just, this is too much calmer for this lifetime.
452
00:41:00,345 --> 00:41:04,635
You know, I've, I've done a really great job, but I think this, this one might be a bit too much.
453
00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:08,385
And then actually how life has shown you otherwise.
454
00:41:08,415 --> 00:41:24,975
Would you mind just talking a little bit about the place you were in when you were feeling that, and then how you perhaps moved into this, being able to invite Jesse into your life and then, and what you worked through and perhaps where you are at now together? 'cause I find it really inspiring.
455
00:41:25,755 --> 00:41:26,595
Yeah, thank you.
456
00:41:26,595 --> 00:41:44,955
No, it was a really, so when I first started kind of uncovering my capacity and emotional intimacy, the place that felt the easiest for me was sisterhood and I, in connecting with other women that just I felt like started to pour into my life who were an actual.
457
00:41:45,465 --> 00:41:48,285
Fit for me who could meet me where I wanted to be met.
458
00:41:48,285 --> 00:41:52,455
And it was just like a garden blooming, you know? And I, it's still happening.
459
00:41:52,575 --> 00:42:05,085
My life is full of so many incredible women, and I felt like I was so, became so skillful at navigating conflict and rupture and repair inside of community, inside of circle, inside of sisterhood relationships.
460
00:42:05,085 --> 00:42:06,765
Like boom, boom, boom, I got it.
461
00:42:07,545 --> 00:42:15,135
Um, and what remained challenging was achieving the same level of fluency with the masculine.
462
00:42:16,155 --> 00:42:29,325
And for me, there was, and I think for many of us, I had a deep distrust of the masculine and a lot of beliefs and stories around what was actually possible there.
463
00:42:29,745 --> 00:42:35,540
And I felt every single time that I would, you know, lean into romantic relationship, I would just get.
464
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:42,570
Stopped or stuck and it felt healthy, heavy, or murky, like health felt hard to access true health.
465
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:43,860
The kind that I had felt.
466
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,540
And what I realized was, that's still about me.
467
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:51,660
That's still about what I'm holding in here.
468
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:57,240
That's not a condemnation of the entire masculine side of our species.
469
00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:03,450
That was stuff that I still had to work through, which was way deeper for me.
470
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:18,300
There was more residue around what I longed for in dynamic with the masculine and what I was actually pushing away or simply not available for because of my own beliefs and stories.
471
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:25,290
And so I did, I, there was a non-attachment and I think this was kind of an important moment for me.
472
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:34,065
There was a time, uh, around the age of 42 when I have let myself go through a grief process that maybe partnership just isn't for me.
473
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:42,630
In this lifetime, because I know the level of relationship I would require in order to choose in it would have to be so epic.
474
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:44,070
That's what my friendships are.
475
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:48,390
That's what my community is, that's what my relationship with my clients is.
476
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:50,520
That's what my relationship with my teachers is like.
477
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:56,580
It's epic, right? Um, with my dog, you know, all of it was like next level relating.
478
00:43:56,610 --> 00:44:03,780
And so I just said, I'm not gonna settle for an, uh, okay relationship with a man, with a partner.
479
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,980
So maybe I'll just be single for the rest of my life.
480
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:12,960
Have lovers around the globe, but you know, there's a way that that could look, that could be lovely.
481
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:13,170
Mm-hmm.
482
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:21,300
But I'm not gonna count on or wait for, or pine for an epic relationship with a man.
483
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:28,050
And there was something in the releasing of that and the grieving of that, that opened another layer.
484
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:31,770
And this is something I teach about a lot that what actually opens.
485
00:44:32,145 --> 00:44:35,235
The next level for us often feels like a death.
486
00:44:36,015 --> 00:44:38,715
It's this death cycle within a life.
487
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:39,230
Mm-hmm.
488
00:44:39,315 --> 00:44:54,345
The releasing of an attachment, the releasing of, of an identity, the letting it all come crashing down, being undone, saying like it is, it's a surrender and it's a like, yeah, okay, fine.
489
00:44:54,615 --> 00:44:56,115
I'll let that one go.
490
00:44:56,385 --> 00:44:56,625
Yeah.
491
00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:05,055
And there was something in the letting it go that opened me to be available to the next level of relating.
492
00:45:05,385 --> 00:45:11,055
And Jesse came into my life and we, you know, we've had a journey.
493
00:45:11,145 --> 00:45:20,745
We dated for a time, nine months, and we weren't, it wasn't fully clicking and we actually broke up, but we gave each other some really deep medicine even in that breakup.
494
00:45:20,745 --> 00:45:23,175
And we separated and we were apart for a time.
495
00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:29,655
But what he did was something that I'd never actually seen a man do, and my experience, which was.
496
00:45:30,090 --> 00:45:45,990
We broke up and he actually for himself, not for me, not in service of getting back together, he went away and did really deep work to change the parts of himself that were preventing us from being in connection.
497
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:49,680
And because this is who I am, I was doing the same thing over on my side.
498
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:55,320
I was like, well, what I learned from this relationship is my heart can still be closed and I'm not totally emotionally available.
499
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,600
So let me dig into my side of this.
500
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:05,190
And then we reconnected several months later and our energetic felt totally different because of the work we'd each done.
501
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:09,960
It's like, you can actually do enough energetic work that with the same two beings.
502
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,850
This was a massive awakening for me.
503
00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:16,170
And part of what I has informed my relational teaching is like you're never stuck.
504
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,530
You're never actually stuck because we're so dynamic.
505
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:26,550
You just actually have to change the energy, not talk about it, not logically understand it, but mm-hmm.
506
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,520
Actually shift it inside of yourself.
507
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:36,180
And if you can do that, you can find your way back to one another in a transformed dynamic.
508
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,930
And that was what happened when you're both participating.
509
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:42,600
He was participating for him, not for you.
510
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:43,500
For him.
511
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:44,220
Mm-hmm.
512
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,650
And you were participating for you.
513
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:47,550
Yes.
514
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:48,420
Not, yeah.
515
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:49,800
A hundred percent.
516
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,940
And that's what it requires.
517
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:56,430
And that's the thing that I had never actually, I had seen that in my sisterhood relationships.
518
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:56,640
Right.
519
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:06,570
I had given feedback to a friend of mine and watched her like work it so deeply and take it all the way in and come back with like massive realizations and, you know, ownership.
520
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:10,020
And I had actually just not experienced that with a man.
521
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,590
Mm-hmm.
522
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:15,810
And so it was like this, this kind of illumination moment of, oh wow, it is possible.
523
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:17,790
Mm, it is possible.
524
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:24,510
And so we got back together and shortly after that we were engaged and we got married in January.
525
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:31,350
And it sometimes feels like, wow, this relationship is like, it's epic.
526
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:34,530
It's the relationship of my dreams and I wouldn't have had anything.
527
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:39,000
It's not perfect, but we're working together always.
528
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:59,160
I trust that I actually have an ally and a partner, not a relationship that it's gonna require me to over function or me to do it all, or me to drag him along, but actually to feel truly met in ways that are hard to put into words, but it's that are energetically true.
529
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,490
Reciprocity.
530
00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:00,360
I'm seeing.
531
00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:01,860
Yeah, reciprocity.
532
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:04,980
It's, it's the consciousness of the mushrooms that you were talking about.
533
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:08,070
It's in service of love and it's not perfect.
534
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:10,140
And the journey might be challenging or what.
535
00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:12,750
But it's in service of love.
536
00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:18,240
And that's, that's a beautiful resonance that you've both been able to find.
537
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:18,510
Mm-hmm.
538
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:25,080
And we are humans, and there'll be wobbly moments, but it's so beautiful to, like you said, that Ally.
539
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,010
Mm-hmm.
540
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:51,090
Um, I'm also, before we hit record, when you were talking about the, um, I mean, your work feels so vast, but it, but it all makes sense and it, it feels like this, the distilled message of your work is this in service of love, um, in service of connection, in service of remembrance and deep consciousness and deep healing.
541
00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:54,840
Um, I did, I've done ripe twice.
542
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:56,160
I love it.
543
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,240
I mean, and I haven't completed the second round actually.
544
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,080
And That's lovely.
545
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,710
It's lovely that we have lifetime access to ripe and we can go back.
546
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:10,050
Um, but it feels like, well, of course ripe is such a key part of this, so.
547
00:49:10,695 --> 00:49:16,245
Because we can just be angry at the society that we live in that we've been brought up in this patriarchy.
548
00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:17,375
but.
549
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:26,630
Essentially it's coming back to us, isn't it? And it's coming back to what the, the words that really stood out or the embodiment that really stood out with, right.
550
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:34,970
I mean so much, but coming back to your wild, coming back to your animal body, coming back to your eros, your erotic energy at any time in life.
551
00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:47,360
Um, and I loved the, the very much the inroad was, 'cause I think there was probably, I dunno, women from 35 upwards were, were mainly the women in that were drawn to this group.
552
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:59,915
Um, and very much the conversation around, you know, is our life coming to an end? You know, am I just like not attractive and not dynamic? And am I gonna have less life in my body? Yeah, very much like you.
553
00:49:59,915 --> 00:50:05,165
I don't that No, no, I am not gonna be participating with that reality.
554
00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:08,585
There is only gonna be more life that needs to come through this body.
555
00:50:08,585 --> 00:50:11,885
I need to like up the voltage, not less moving forward.
556
00:50:12,365 --> 00:50:25,895
So it's, it's so inspiring to, um, I mean, have gorgeous you and gorgeous niche Nisha Moodly, like holding this and your both of your aliveness and your energy and your passion for this in women.
557
00:50:26,345 --> 00:50:41,525
Um, and you can just see that this is, or for me, I'm seeing that it's essential, you know, that we each feel our individual and unique, um, fingerprint of aliveness and medicine in this lifetime.
558
00:50:42,035 --> 00:50:53,375
And that we use the initiations and the curriculum in our life for our growth and for the evolution and growth of humanity, um, or of consciousness.
559
00:50:54,905 --> 00:50:55,355
Um.
560
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:03,410
And not to be just like down trodden by it, because it's big and it's heavy and it is, it, it can really push you down.
561
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:17,540
Um, but actually to see your, or to feel yourself engaging with it and to, I love how you said at the very beginning, it, this is our curriculum and this is our school and it's not gonna be easy.
562
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:23,870
Um, but we, you know, we don't get stronger unless we lift weights and unless we push against resistance.
563
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:47,660
I know I'm going around the houses a little bit, but the, the, the beauty that I have really found and the activation that came from your course ripe with Nisha Moodly, which was about really, I mean, you can, you'll be able to speak it better than I am, but this eros in midlife, and actually this is, it's a threshold into giving a little bit less of a shit about, or a lot less of a shit about what everyone else thinks.
564
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:54,230
And an initiation and an opportunity and a portal into that next level of remembering.
565
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:57,890
Who am I? Who am I, actually, what am I here for? Mm-hmm.
566
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,450
Yeah.
567
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:08,300
It's beautiful because in midlife, actually, we are meant to be more individual, more expressive, more connected to self.
568
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:15,230
There's this developmental process when we're in our younger years, when we're in our maiden years, we're figuring out how to survive.
569
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:17,600
We're very, that's correct.
570
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:20,390
You know, we're figuring out this is still a tender bud.
571
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:24,350
How do I make sure that it matures to adulthood? Okay, I gotta fit in.
572
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:25,370
I have to be safe.
573
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:28,250
I have to kind of not stand out, whatever it is.
574
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:35,450
But once we reach midlife, we actually have sturdy roots and deep connection to ourselves.
575
00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:48,395
And the thing, the changes that happen in our bodies, the decline of estrogen actually gives us more internal orientation as opposed to external tending and the neuroplasticity that's happening.
576
00:52:48,395 --> 00:52:52,445
We actually have pruning going on, getting rid of stuff that's not needed.
577
00:52:52,865 --> 00:52:55,895
And we're, it's, we're at our most powerful, I love this.
578
00:52:55,895 --> 00:52:59,105
It's the pruning, I can't remember this because I'm just pruning.
579
00:52:59,195 --> 00:53:01,145
Yeah, I'm just pruning.
580
00:53:01,145 --> 00:53:01,655
Just pruning.
581
00:53:01,655 --> 00:53:02,615
It's not that I can't remember.
582
00:53:02,615 --> 00:53:03,695
It's, I didn't need that.
583
00:53:03,905 --> 00:53:06,065
That wasn't important for my garden.
584
00:53:06,095 --> 00:53:14,435
I love, yes, and, and really it is, um, the erotic is just what it is to make love with life.
585
00:53:15,065 --> 00:53:15,395
Right.
586
00:53:15,395 --> 00:53:20,945
It's, it's to connect with anything outside of the self and create something.
587
00:53:21,965 --> 00:53:31,865
So the erotic is our full participation, pressed up against the edge of ourselves, meeting life, meeting the world.
588
00:53:32,075 --> 00:53:44,315
What do we wanna create? How do we wanna interact? And that requires knowing yourself, which is something that we actually don't really fully do until we reach midlife.
589
00:53:44,885 --> 00:53:55,805
But of course, by the time we actually know ourselves, conveniently society, the patriarchy, the powers that be are like, you're on your way out.
590
00:53:56,975 --> 00:54:14,645
But that to me is actually because it's when we're our most powerful, when we are the least able to be controlled, when we have more strength and more capacity to push against and more healthy rebellion and more like, actually, no, I don't think so.
591
00:54:15,125 --> 00:54:15,665
Mm-hmm.
592
00:54:16,115 --> 00:54:16,565
And so.
593
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:41,540
I want to live in a world where women at midlife and beyond are completely untamable by anything that would have us be less than wild, connected to our bodies at the erotic edge, contributing dancing with giving, but in this way, that's so true to self.
594
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:44,720
That's not about overgiving or extracting.
595
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:49,730
That's about the joy of making love with all that is.
596
00:54:49,825 --> 00:54:50,245
Mm-hmm.
597
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:56,270
It just, it feels like this sings to my cells.
598
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:57,110
Mm-hmm.
599
00:54:59,525 --> 00:55:01,805
Um, I'm gonna just flip it slightly.
600
00:55:01,805 --> 00:55:04,805
Ginny can ask you about electrolytes.
601
00:55:05,435 --> 00:55:05,765
Oh, great.
602
00:55:05,765 --> 00:55:06,245
Love it.
603
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:16,505
Only because, only because, um, there was something that you said in the, in the van, in the car van on the way to, in Vanessa, I think it was.
604
00:55:16,535 --> 00:55:17,315
Um mm-hmm.
605
00:55:17,675 --> 00:55:23,675
And you, it was about talking about how information travels through the body and our cells are receivers.
606
00:55:23,735 --> 00:55:30,605
I mean, I think you, you kind of already know, but there was something that, it was like, I, what did she say? I wish I just put that in my phone to remember it.
607
00:55:32,315 --> 00:55:46,805
Well, you know, one of the things that I've learned, because when I, when we work with medicine, because I'm so in touch with the body, there's always a toll, right? There's a, um, when we're asked to run such a large amount of energy through the body, there is attacks.
608
00:55:47,315 --> 00:55:47,885
Of that.
609
00:55:47,885 --> 00:56:15,875
And so I've, in my space holding, I've been so curious, like, what does a body need to replenish or to prepare well to run that amount of energy? And how can I support that as a space holder? How can I make sure that people have the ingredients that the physical body needs to actually be a conduit? And one of the things that I heard was that electrolytes and minerals specifically are, are key ingredients of the communication system that's happening.
610
00:56:15,875 --> 00:56:17,765
Cell to cell to sell to cell to cell.
611
00:56:17,795 --> 00:56:31,085
And so when those things, those things get used up in high levels of communication, high levels of running energy, right? So that can be expressed as sweating, which is when we're like, oh, I need to replenish with electrolytes.
612
00:56:31,085 --> 00:56:39,425
But if you think about what precedes sweating, it's the use and, you know, the, the creation of, and use of a lot of energy.
613
00:56:39,515 --> 00:56:39,695
Mm-hmm.
614
00:56:39,935 --> 00:56:41,345
Kinetic or otherwise.
615
00:56:41,765 --> 00:56:46,475
And so a makes total sense that that ingredient would get.
616
00:56:46,895 --> 00:56:48,605
Depleted in use.
617
00:56:48,605 --> 00:56:55,715
And so filling back up with that ingredient is what keeps the cells able to run that level of communication.
618
00:56:56,015 --> 00:57:10,235
And when you really dial in and listen, every food, every nutrient, every antioxidant, every thing that is a gift from this earth for our bodies to be able to thrive has a functionality like that.
619
00:57:10,505 --> 00:57:10,895
Mm.
620
00:57:11,555 --> 00:57:14,465
And so when I sort of felt that about electrolytes, I was like, of course.
621
00:57:14,465 --> 00:57:23,200
Like, why would we not stock up on them and then replenish them when we're running a lot of energy? Like, why would we make our bodies run on less than a full tank? Mm-hmm.
622
00:57:23,375 --> 00:57:24,635
You know? Mm-hmm.
623
00:57:25,205 --> 00:57:25,685
Thank you.
624
00:57:25,895 --> 00:57:31,145
Uh, again, I'm just kind of seeing just, it feels like it's just connecting all the dots for me.
625
00:57:31,205 --> 00:57:40,895
You know, just seeing, like we said, cellular, connective tissue, relationship work, sole purpose, all of these things that it's all the same.
626
00:57:41,255 --> 00:57:41,375
Mm-hmm.
627
00:57:43,235 --> 00:57:43,955
It's all the same.
628
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:45,170
It's all the same.
629
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:50,570
And the connective tissue that runs through all things, like one thing on the map can be lit up for us.
630
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:52,400
Like, oh, this needs my attention.
631
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:59,180
But when we give what is needing our attention, attention, it runs and impacts all other things.
632
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:59,300
Mm.
633
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,040
Nothing we do is separate from anything else.
634
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:03,170
Mm.
635
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:07,190
Thank you so much for today.
636
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:08,600
I, yeah.
637
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:10,160
I've, I'm so grateful for you.
638
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:12,380
Um, I, I, yeah.
639
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,400
I'm really grateful for you.
640
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:20,780
I'm so in awe of how you see the world, how you articulate what you see, how you share it so practically.
641
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:26,600
Um, and also that invitation into the more, you know, the unseen.
642
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:28,640
I think it's just such a beautiful dance.
643
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:32,720
Um, I would love to ask one final question.
644
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,320
So my, my business is called aligned.
645
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:37,730
Um.
646
00:58:38,375 --> 00:58:50,645
And is there something that, that word conjuress up for you? Just this being in alignment, what does it mean to you? What does it feel like in your body, in your cells, in your soul, to be in, in alignment? Yeah.
647
00:58:51,275 --> 00:58:54,275
I love this name for your work.
648
00:58:54,515 --> 00:58:57,245
I mean, it's, to me it is.
649
00:58:57,305 --> 00:59:05,165
When I imagine it energetically, it evokes relaxation.
650
00:59:05,435 --> 00:59:06,095
It's what I feel.
651
00:59:06,095 --> 00:59:23,495
It's like, it, it evokes when one is aligned, you can actually achieve complete physical relaxation that then allows you to be a, a conduit through which spirit can play its song.
652
00:59:26,855 --> 00:59:27,155
Yeah.
653
00:59:27,185 --> 00:59:29,705
It's that surrender again, isn't it? It's that surrender.
654
00:59:30,185 --> 00:59:30,275
Mm-hmm.
655
00:59:30,965 --> 00:59:36,545
And I think sometimes we think about coming into alignment as like, it requires effort and work and maybe.
656
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:42,320
It requires attention, but it actually is the opposite of effort in a way.
657
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:48,980
It's like a, an allowing and a trusting and a being worked on.
658
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:49,940
Mm.
659
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,310
It's the participation again.
660
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:57,410
Um, and that discernment and that sense.
661
00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:58,070
Sensory.
662
00:59:58,070 --> 00:59:59,240
It's a sensory.
663
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,780
Am I, am I here? Am I there? And yeah.
664
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:03,650
And I love that.
665
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:10,220
And then being that portal for, how did you say it? For soul to You're Soul to Dance Through You.
666
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:10,520
Yes.
667
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,990
For Spirit to play its song.
668
01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:13,070
Thats what just came through.
669
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:14,300
I don't know where that came from.
670
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:14,840
Love it.
671
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:21,560
But but truly, it's like when I'm aligned, whatever is a higher frequency can run through unimpeded.
672
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,340
Yeah.
673
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:24,290
Yeah.
674
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:27,350
And that is just how I wanna live my life.
675
01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:29,120
I don't wanna be doing all of the.
676
01:00:29,570 --> 01:00:33,860
That other stuff, the small talk, the, you know, the sticky stuff.
677
01:00:33,860 --> 01:00:42,680
I'm like, can you get off of me? This is where I wanna be sing, singing this song.
678
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:47,360
Oh, Ginny, thank you so much.
679
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,010
Thank you so much for your work in the world.
680
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:54,680
Thank you so much for your bravery, you know, for your trust and for being this pioneer and leading the way.
681
01:00:55,130 --> 01:01:07,070
Um, I know we've only met a few times, but um, I do feel a deep soul connection to you and I see such a teacher in you, um, and I really am deeply grateful for that.
682
01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:12,470
Where can people find you? So, I have a new website coming.
683
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:15,380
It's under construction, but you can go to jenny muir.com
684
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:17,810
and that will take you to my Instagram.
685
01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:20,630
That will take you to my substack where I do writing.
686
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:23,990
Um, I have an upcoming workshop.
687
01:01:24,275 --> 01:01:25,805
That's like sort of the easiest way.
688
01:01:25,805 --> 01:01:27,455
If people wanna engage with my work.
689
01:01:27,485 --> 01:01:32,705
On December 7th, I'm teaching a workshop called Death Bloom, which is seasonally appropriate.
690
01:01:32,705 --> 01:01:35,015
You know, we're in the winter, we're in the cycle where things die.
691
01:01:35,015 --> 01:01:45,455
And everything that I've talked about today around like what has to die in order for the next thing to come, that death process is really tricky and it's where a lot of us get stuck.
692
01:01:45,875 --> 01:01:51,845
So I've basically mapped how to move through it efficiently with surrendered participation.
693
01:01:51,935 --> 01:01:52,175
That's great.
694
01:01:52,175 --> 01:01:55,685
And I'm condensed it all into this three hour ritual workshop.
695
01:01:55,685 --> 01:01:59,885
So that's the like easiest if people wanna actually come in and engage.
696
01:01:59,885 --> 01:02:02,405
But I would love for people to follow me on Instagram.
697
01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:02,490
Yeah.
698
01:02:02,495 --> 01:02:04,685
That's where I write and share and substack.
699
01:02:04,745 --> 01:02:10,770
Um, and just to stay in touch that way to, you know, for the next round of alchemical relationship to collect.
700
01:02:10,835 --> 01:02:10,895
Yeah.
701
01:02:10,895 --> 01:02:15,455
There'll be another round coming in January and so there's a place to get on the wait list for that.
702
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:18,335
There's all kinds of, um, yeah, you can links to.
703
01:02:18,905 --> 01:02:24,395
Links to everything in my, in my link tree and Instagram is kind of like where it's all like really detailed.
704
01:02:24,395 --> 01:02:32,945
So that would be a great place for me and they can reach out if they wanted to explore one-on-one or exactly journeying or any retreats, et cetera.
705
01:02:33,395 --> 01:02:33,905
Exactly.
706
01:02:34,925 --> 01:02:44,835
Okay darling, is there anything else you wanted to say or share just before we close? Just deep gratitude for you, for your being, for your radiance, thank you.
707
01:02:44,925 --> 01:02:45,645
Thank you, thank you.
708
01:02:45,645 --> 01:02:46,815
Thank you so much.
709
01:02:46,845 --> 01:02:47,175
My pleasure.
710
01:02:47,175 --> 01:02:52,845
Thank you so much for doing this and for reaching out and for this conversation for what you're sharing with the world.
711
01:02:53,445 --> 01:02:54,105
Oh, I'm honored.
712
01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:54,915
All right, my love.
713
01:02:55,065 --> 01:02:56,235
Hope to see you really soon.
714
01:02:56,955 --> 01:02:57,375
Absolutely.
715
01:02:57,825 --> 01:02:58,245
Bye-bye.
716
01:02:58,695 --> 01:02:58,905
Bye.
