Ep. 08: Vlogs, Content Pressure & The Democratization Lie

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Dylan, what was your favorite part of today's podcast?
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Um, my favorite part is when I was computing when Tim put me on the spot.
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Oh, that was good. Will, you got a favorite?
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I liked making prolonged eye contact with Dylan.
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Offscreen.
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So?
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My favorite part was when Will yelled off screen what blog came from.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, I forgot about that.
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My favorite part was when Dylan walked off camera entirely.
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Let's go find Reggie.
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Reggie, what was your favorite part of today's podcast?
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My favorite part was when Tim was going on a rant about portfolios.
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And he said, what are you going to do?
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You're like, I'm going to make a portfolio.
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That was good.
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All right, I'm at the end of today.
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This is Age, the podcast.
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We have a long-ass conversation about a topic.
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We randomly pull out of a trash can.
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But what is it really?
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Well, thank you for asking.
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This podcast, I wrote this on the way to the podcast this morning
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because I'm always trying to figure out how to explain this podcast.
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Just, he does an opening night.
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The podcast is a room.
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Like about the Nellhoes.
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I'm being disrupted.
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The podcast.
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I have this desire to understand what things are.
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And so I'm trying to think about what this is.
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We're doing it.
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It's raw.
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It's unfiltered.
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But essentially, it's a reminder of who we are
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in an over-edited and monetized world.
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And it's what happens when four career creatives,
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Dylan Garcia, Mary Green, Reggie Tidwell,
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and myself, Tim Scrogs, we're building
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in Creative Agency in Asheville, North Carolina,
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remove the agency polish and just let you
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in on the real thoughts that are in our heads.
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Sometimes it's brilliant.
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Sometimes it's elegant.
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But most of the time, it's just us being plainly ourselves.
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And that is something we need a reminder of in this world, I think.
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Anyway, let's pull the trash.
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Let's pull the trash.
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Let's pull the top.
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Before we do.
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Out of the trash cans.
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I need to let Reggie take off the elephant in the room,
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which is today is Reggie Tidwell's birthday.
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Yeah.
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I brought this out.
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Yeah, very nice.
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They're making me wear this.
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Happy birthday.
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For Glitterwell.
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Thanks, guys.
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Happy birthday.
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Happy birthday.
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Yeah.
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Sorry we didn't.
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I'm 35 today.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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And you look great.
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Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, this is the 30s couch.
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Yeah, the 30s couch.
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I pulled that out and Will gave me eyes immediately.
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Like, Mary, the fabric swishing has been bothering him
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and the likes.
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And now I've added this clanky, clanky chain.
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So it's a little, just a little, just a little gift
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up laying off.
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So you guys got to see it.
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Exit stage left.
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Happy birthday, Reggie.
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I remember wonderfully done.
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You see it, guys.
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Ready?
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Yeah.
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I knew you'd love the stage reference.
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This is like a lottery.
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It's really good.
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Like the bingo.
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Yeah, bingo thing.
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There you go.
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OK.
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Hopefully it's a good one.
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Oh, it will be a good one.
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It gives it to Will.
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It's like, it just was making sure it's on the right.
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What was it?
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The vlog.
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The vlog.
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The vlog.
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The vlog.
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The vlog.
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I mean, here we are.
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I don't know.
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I say the vlog.
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Did Dylan put that in there?
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No, I don't know.
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You don't anymore.
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I mean, I put all of these in here.
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I wrote all of these.
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But did you write that one?
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Nothing.
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I don't know.
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Guys, how sweet that you think any of us
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would remember which ones we'd wrote.
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Yeah, in case you're wondering, these topics
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are definitely a vlog.
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A stream of consciousness that we sat down
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and just started writing.
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So there are some hot topics in there.
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There's some random topics.
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There are some spiritual topics.
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And then there are some like this.
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The vlog.
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We'll be the other vlog.
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What is the vlog?
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Like what?
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We're also thinking like, OK, what might people
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from different generations have a different take on?
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And one of the big ones was technology
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and things that came to exist after the internet.
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And so I think we probably threw a couple in there.
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We were like, let's see what the log happens.
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Well, I find this one completely uninteresting.
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So he says on his blog on your blog that we're doing.
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It's a contract to the way I'm drawn to it.
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But I guess, vlogs, I guess podcasts
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are the new vlogs.
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Like, it's just the essentially the same thing.
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RNG in our own new and unique way.
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That's true.
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Yeah, I'm just a podcast.
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A video podcast totally of a vlog.
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Yeah, right?
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What came to mind when you read vlog?
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I'm a big consumer of vlogs.
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Or as some people say, vlogs.
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Vlogs.
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No, I'm a big consumer.
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Do they still exist separate from podcasts?
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Is there an actual?
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Have you been on YouTube?
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Like in the past, like, he's watching.
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But see, I would consider those podcasts.
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Because this art show is on YouTube.
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Would we not call it, would we call it a vlog?
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I don't think.
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When I think vlog, I think one person looking directly
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to camera, which, like, these days,
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more of what I watch are like video essays.
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It's less just, like, here's all my thoughts on stuff.
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And more like, here's a topic that I got really into.
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But I'm sure people are still, like,
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didn't we talk about Amber Chamberlain all this time?
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Yeah, Amber Chamberlain is one of my big vlogs.
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She's considered a vlog.
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See, when I think of vlogs, I think of, like, unboxing videos,
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you know, the tech brothers on there with their, like,
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that is kind of a vlog.
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I'm like, I'm gonna open up this new drone, like that.
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We're, like, travel vlogs.
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Travel vlog, yeah.
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Yeah, that's a vlog, everything.
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No.
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It didn't happen.
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The moment's past.
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The moment's gone.
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You gotta do it all over again.
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Another eight months.
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I just wait for someone to dig it up.
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Travel on the world.
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This is an experience of his life.
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This is so magical.
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Post-humansly.
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Post-humansly.
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Yeah, are we, so, like, you find it,
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you're totally disconnected with this topic.
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So what?
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I mean, what?
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Maybe.
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I mean, let's see.
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I think maybe it's the word.
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Like, I don't know.
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People have changed the B out for a reason.
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Well, that's, I was wondering because vlogs,
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from, from, like, the time I was a tween probably,
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to now, that has been a concept in my life.
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But I was just thinking for a y'all,
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if it didn't probably exist.
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Perfectly.
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It's a while I was doing it earlier.
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Like, five phases.
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It's, it's the season.
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We have a dusty room.
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We'll just start a countdown.
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Like, you're ready to get number one.
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Oh, my God.
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We'll see how far we get.
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We just work our way through the panel.
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Yeah, we'll go right down.
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No, I was wondering if you remember when,
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well, do you remember when blogs came to exist?
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And do you remember when people started doing vlogs?
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And did you have feelings about it then?
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That's where my negative feelings come from.
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That's why I was like, cringey, definitely cringey,
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from day one.
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I definitely remember the influx of vlogs
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all over the place.
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But I guess I had my own vlog on LinkedIn.
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Now that you say that.
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Yeah.
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And it's straight up a vlogger.
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I was going to say yours would be like
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the epitome of a vlog.
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Yeah, you're sweet.
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It's like a view with your mic looking into the camera
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going blah, blah, blah.
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Don't we become the thing that we hate?
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All right.
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So I like vlogs.
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I like vloggers.
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My actions speak louder than my words.
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When you tell me that you hate social media,
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and I'm like, yeah, I get it that like as a concept you hate it.
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But actually, I think as a tool,
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you're really interested in it.
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I am, but I, so I hate what it's doing to our culture.
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That's the, I like, when I first started in social media,
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it was my space.
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And I was in a band.
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And.
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Oh, so you're on my space for like the reason people
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are on my space.
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Totally.
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And it was early before everything started becoming like glitter
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and you're exploding in the background.
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Don't hate.
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Was this pretty big?
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I mean, my heritage was glittering cat.
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I know.
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And it was cool, but it took over my space and took it down.
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Yeah.
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Like it couldn't handle that much glitter.
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RCS styling just got there.
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There was no way that many cats can survive.
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That was too much on my face.
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What if they brought my space back?
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Are they tried?
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Yeah, they tried hard.
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Because my space was, was the dominant social media thought
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was like this little thing that was ever going to happen.
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Yeah, well, you had to credential at one point,
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you had to credential to get in.
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Like, just through your college for my space.
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And that was that was Facebook.
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Oh, Facebook.
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Yeah.
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And I really think that's the thing that made it solid.
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If I'm a fear that we have about like warm networks
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and like exactly relational networks.
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Yeah.
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So the, and I, I had a friend who was in college.
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So I couldn't, I wasn't in college at the right age.
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I went to college way later in my life.
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But I had a friend who was on Facebook.
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And he was telling me all about it.
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And I was like, OK, I'll join.
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And he says, you can't.
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You have to have a dot.
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He's like, you're going to be college, bro.
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I was inviting you.
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So I was bragging.
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Yeah.
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You have to have a dot.edu email address.
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I was like, what?
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And it was kind of the first time where I was like,
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and now I want in.
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Yeah, I was like, I'm being exclusive.
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You're like, damn, how do I get into this club?
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Right.
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And I was all over my space.
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And it was my space for the world.
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This is why he doesn't like social media.
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Yeah, they want you to have him wounded a little.
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They burned him and now he hasn't come back.
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No, but literally Facebook started
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because they were judging people's faces.
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What's right?
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That's how it started.
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They would, they would, like, who's hot?
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Who's hot?
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Who's face?
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Well, they wouldn't show you that probably.
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But no, that's the background of it was, it was a Facebook
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faces that they would, like, rate or something or talk about.
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Oh, that's interesting.
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There used to be a host like that.
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Yeah, that was just like, like, rate the face.
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Yeah, or something.
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Rate my professor, they have all these.
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I was talking about somebody about rate my professor
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at the other night, and I can't remember who, anyway.
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But I feel like social media.
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So vlogs are part of social media.
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I think now it's like a requirement.
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There's no way you can make content
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without some sort of video component.
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And so maybe vlogs are making a comeback
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because it could be also AI-generated content is...
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I feel like there's a divergence, though.
323
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There's definitely vlog alive and well.
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We've snippetized it like everything else.
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We made it like the 22nd, whatever.
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And a lot of like comedians I think are getting a start
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because they're able to give you like a tight 60-second snippet.
328
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And you're like, that was really funny.
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But I think there's also this other path of like,
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people either taking photographs
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or curating images from the internet
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and just like putting the right song over it
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or putting a voice over it.
334
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With the Ken Burns effect.
335
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But do you think, but would that be considered a vlog?
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Like is there a criteria for it to be considered a vlog?
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Like does your face need to be on it?
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Probably so.
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I think that's what I'm saying is like,
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yes, the vlog is alive and well.
341
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And I think there are a diverse,
342
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multiple other pathways of content online.
343
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But I do think a vlog is like one or two people looking to camera,
344
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like intentionally breaking the fourth wall,
345
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talking to the viewer on the other side.
346
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Like this.
347
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That was so cute.
348
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So we're glad you're here.
349
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Yeah, let's do a four person vlog.
350
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Let's do a four person vlog.
351
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We're all breaking a fourth wall right now.
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I think all four of us staring somebody down
353
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would be a lot.
354
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Are you looking down the night with me?
355
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I'm looking at the middle of the three cameras.
356
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The three cameras?
357
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There's three little lenses.
358
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Yeah, you're right in the middle of it.
359
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Okay, camera here.
360
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Okay.
361
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Okay, DSLR, G3, Q, whatever.
362
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Okay.
363
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Did you do it too?
364
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No, she's like guys.
365
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She's like this is cringey.
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I am not participating.
367
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What did you ever think about starting a vlog?
368
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Pardon me, a vlog.
369
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This is going to be embarrassing.
370
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And will I'm not giving you any of this.
371
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Oh my gosh.
372
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This is the lead of this last week off Facebook.
373
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Yeah, off Facebook.
374
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I am listening.
375
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I think my generation was heavily
376
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and is still heavily influenced by the vlog.
377
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Like just like you seem so serious about it.
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I am.
379
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What the vlog has done to you?
380
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Your vlog has changed my life.
381
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I don't know how to feel about it.
382
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No, I remember the area of GoPro's.
383
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Yeah.
384
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Like GoPro was like a form of vlogging.
385
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Did you go pro with, did you run with your GoPro on?
386
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I wish.
387
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There's still time, baby.
388
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But when I was, when I would live in Florida,
389
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I would put it on my surfboard.
390
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And there's so many videos of me wiping out
391
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and taking like, I was going to spend a nice breath.
392
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Gladly.
393
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So cool.
394
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Yeah, so, but the reason I,
395
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the reason I thought like the vlog changes our generation
396
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because there's so many of like my friends
397
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that we will watch vlogs to like be informed.
398
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Yeah.
399
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Or if it's like, I, it's news almost.
400
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It's news.
401
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Culture news.
402
00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:01.600
Yeah, it's news.
403
00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.560
It's also kind of like, philosophically, philosophically.
404
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Philosophy, I was like, Mary was saying like someone
405
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like talking to you about their opinion.
406
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Yeah.
407
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I don't know.
408
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I feel like I was kind of curated from the blogs
409
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of my life of like, all that, yes.
410
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We're seeing it.
411
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You're a product of the blogs.
412
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I am.
413
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I like it.
414
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And I'm proud of it.
415
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Where do vlogs sit in like your media diet?
416
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So like, there's all kinds of media you consume in a day.
417
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One might be you're listening to Spotify in the studio.
418
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One is you're listening to your favorite podcast
419
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on your way to work.
420
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Maybe you watch Netflix.
421
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I don't know what other streaming services,
422
00:13:36.400 --> 00:13:41.240
but like, what percentage of that is watching vlog content?
423
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Right now, from my life, it's like 25.
424
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Really?
425
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Wow.
426
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That's a big percentage, a quarter.
427
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It is, but I also think it just gives like a world
428
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of like exploration.
429
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Sure.
430
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If I want to watch a vlog on like somebody doing this
431
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or like travel was a big one for me,
432
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like actually seeing people in real time
433
00:13:57.640 --> 00:13:59.560
and being like, would I like to be there?
434
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Would I like to like sit in there?
435
00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:06.600
Then also just seeing kind of like curating your own taste
436
00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.000
through other people's taste, through their blogs
437
00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.040
in the way they like showcase how they want to like be perceived.
438
00:14:13.040 --> 00:14:16.120
So big product of the blog.
439
00:14:16.400 --> 00:14:20.200
I have to say, I probably now that I really think about
440
00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.840
what I consume on like social media,
441
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my percentage might be more than 25%
442
00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.480
because I'm thinking about all the political commentary,
443
00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.200
all the lifestyle commentary people talking about,
444
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like health influences and things like that.
445
00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.920
Those are all technically bloggers.
446
00:14:36.920 --> 00:14:40.800
It's one person holding up a little DJ mic like this,
447
00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:43.440
talking to camera, looking into the camera.
448
00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.080
Those are all bloggers.
449
00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.400
So lots of blogs might be the most important
450
00:14:48.400 --> 00:14:49.880
vlogger online right now.
451
00:14:49.880 --> 00:14:51.520
Yeah, I don't have my thoughts
452
00:14:51.520 --> 00:14:54.360
because I have this, how this affects brand and everything.
453
00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.960
I don't take my thoughts.
454
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Take a look.
455
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Oh.
456
00:14:57.800 --> 00:14:58.640
Yeah.
457
00:14:58.640 --> 00:14:59.640
Is that what you were just going to say?
458
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Take a look.
459
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I was like, guys, watch TikTok.
460
00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:02.960
I was like, take a look.
461
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TikTok is this full of bloggers.
462
00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:07.720
That's all bloggers on TikTok.
463
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It's like, do I have some TikTok in my face?
464
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What's that boy?
465
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There's a girl trapped in a well.
466
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What is it?
467
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I was like, why are we away there?
468
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I was like, why are we away there?
469
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I was like, let's see what's the most massive movement.
470
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That's the social media.
471
00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.760
Also, there's just such a huge opportunity
472
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for brands and marketing on TikTok.
473
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There's this consumerism buy-in.
474
00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:36.280
There's also, I don't purchase anything without listening
475
00:15:36.280 --> 00:15:39.600
to people vlog about it or user-generated content.
476
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That's another point.
477
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I am a well-researched consumer.
478
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I don't buy anything without googling a bunch of reviews.
479
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And ultimately, when you go to review,
480
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it's somebody on YouTube or Facebook or TikTok
481
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talking about the product.
482
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That's a blog.
483
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I'd say more like 50% of them, like Hong.
484
00:16:00.040 --> 00:16:02.440
See, I knew you were lying to us in the beginning.
485
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I knew you were lying.
486
00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.680
We have a negative reaction to the word vlog
487
00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:06.480
and where it started.
488
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I think that's what it is.
489
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Because right now, it's just called a video.
490
00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.200
It's just called a video.
491
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This video and someone's talking at it.
492
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I would know the before and after of when it didn't exist
493
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and then suddenly it did exist, what did it feel like to you?
494
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Well, it was interesting.
495
00:16:22.280 --> 00:16:23.920
You talk, because you got a point.
496
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I'm just going to be more high or you're always...
497
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The trees are real.
498
00:16:28.400 --> 00:16:30.760
No, it was not going to go into the quantum field.
499
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I was just going to say that it was...
500
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There's something I should like about it
501
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because it was the democratization of broadcast.
502
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And that was at the quantum field.
503
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It was.
504
00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.920
It was the roots coming out of the ground.
505
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Dude, I think about this all the time, though.
506
00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:48.920
It actually is, anyway.
507
00:16:48.920 --> 00:16:51.800
No, but I should like that because it's rebellious
508
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because before vlogging, there was news broadcasting.
509
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People looking at a camera, you know, like,
510
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I'm here on I26 and there's Rick, ladies and gentlemen,
511
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that's vlogging or that's broadcasting.
512
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Vlogging is someone who doesn't have the big camera
513
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as a little camera and something normal to say.
514
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Love a deli.
515
00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:11.680
Love a deli.
516
00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:12.680
Yeah.
517
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I should like vlogging.
518
00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:14.680
I think it's just the word.
519
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:15.680
I think it's just the word.
520
00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:16.680
It's such a stupid word.
521
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It's got a V.
522
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And a reaction to the word.
523
00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.680
I don't even understand vlogs.
524
00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.680
I have a reaction to the word.
525
00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.080
The two hard consonants like that, starting to work,
526
00:17:27.080 --> 00:17:31.480
but then also, for me, the language should care about this.
527
00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:32.480
Yeah.
528
00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.480
We're all pretty long.
529
00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.680
The reason you don't like it is because the word,
530
00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:37.280
and I'm like, the reason you don't like it is.
531
00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:39.080
It sounds like a Russian word, like.
532
00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:40.080
And.
533
00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:42.880
You don't like it is definitely some social connotation about it.
534
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No, I was left out.
535
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I think you nailed it.
536
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:45.880
I think I was left out.
537
00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:46.880
I felt left out.
538
00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:47.880
Really?
539
00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:48.880
Yeah, I think so.
540
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You know, interesting enough.
541
00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.880
I think I resonate.
542
00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:52.880
That resonates with me.
543
00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.880
I think I felt left out because here's the thing.
544
00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.880
You're a technorant like me.
545
00:17:57.880 --> 00:17:59.880
Anything something new comes out.
546
00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.480
You think to yourself, should I do this?
547
00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:03.480
Yeah.
548
00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:08.680
And then you're, you know, obviously trying to navigate it,
549
00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.880
it's a path you should take.
550
00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.280
And when you're a solopreneur and you're busy AF,
551
00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:17.280
and you don't really have time to like do this thing,
552
00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:20.280
and then the more other people are coming out with them,
553
00:18:20.280 --> 00:18:23.080
you feel like you're now having to catch up.
554
00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:25.480
And you're like, I didn't get started.
555
00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.280
But I feel like when I was first thinking about doing one,
556
00:18:29.280 --> 00:18:34.080
on whether it was design or tech or all of those things,
557
00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:37.080
by now I would be probably well known.
558
00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:42.480
I would probably be well knowing as an actual authority
559
00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.480
on whatever topic it was.
560
00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.480
Because most of the guys have to give five years of committed
561
00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:48.480
content even.
562
00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.480
Yeah, I mean, think about Casey Neifong and all those people
563
00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:57.480
that are on social media doing that.
564
00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.680
Like they ultimately have millions and millions of followers now
565
00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.280
because they started at the very beginning of it.
566
00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:09.280
And so there was always this anxiety like, man, should I,
567
00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:11.080
I should, I should, I should, but I don't have time.
568
00:19:11.080 --> 00:19:13.080
I don't have time and then it's, so it's fast.
569
00:19:13.080 --> 00:19:14.880
This is interesting and I want to know how this feels
570
00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:15.880
different from when you grew up.
571
00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:20.280
Because for us, it started out as like a thing that people
572
00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:21.280
wanted to do.
573
00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:22.680
This is how all social media start.
574
00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.280
And why we got tricked into this whole shenanigans.
575
00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:30.180
Is there like, yeah, those things that are fun and post music
576
00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:32.280
and you don't have to have a record label and you can just
577
00:19:32.280 --> 00:19:33.080
post things.
578
00:19:33.080 --> 00:19:36.180
And then all of a sudden it transitioned into you have to have
579
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:38.680
this or you don't succeed.
580
00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:39.480
Right.
581
00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.480
And that was a hard pill to swallow.
582
00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.380
It's just like the algorithm always changing.
583
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:44.480
The rules always change.
584
00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.280
Like maybe one of the first came out of work because it was new,
585
00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.080
but it has to shift.
586
00:19:49.080 --> 00:19:51.580
That was the next step because that keeps you trying to figure
587
00:19:51.580 --> 00:19:54.380
out how to get any air time, right?
588
00:19:54.380 --> 00:19:57.280
How to get anyone watching because your success is hinged
589
00:19:57.280 --> 00:19:58.780
on these things working.
590
00:19:58.780 --> 00:20:01.880
Like right now, this is kind of our attempt at content creation.
591
00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:04.780
Yeah, look how many podcasts existed before us.
592
00:20:04.780 --> 00:20:05.780
Oh, my goodness.
593
00:20:05.780 --> 00:20:07.580
That movement started before vlogging.
594
00:20:07.580 --> 00:20:08.580
Right, right.
595
00:20:08.580 --> 00:20:09.380
Did it?
596
00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:10.180
Maybe.
597
00:20:10.180 --> 00:20:10.680
I don't know.
598
00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:11.580
It seems like it did.
599
00:20:11.580 --> 00:20:13.580
I don't think we're going to have a vlogging show, right?
600
00:20:13.580 --> 00:20:16.180
Like the concept of people talking.
601
00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:19.780
Yeah, so radio show was the first version that podcasting
602
00:20:19.780 --> 00:20:21.580
was like the democratized version of it.
603
00:20:21.580 --> 00:20:22.580
Totally.
604
00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.280
You could have a microphone and a little room.
605
00:20:26.280 --> 00:20:27.480
And I could just do the vocals.
606
00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.980
I think the podcast just made it more accessible because a radio
607
00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.480
show is like you have a radio station with all the, you know,
608
00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.480
but for the podcast, you can like just go by a little camera kit,
609
00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.480
set up a camera and then publish directly to Facebook.
610
00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:42.780
That's a video podcast.
611
00:20:42.780 --> 00:20:43.780
Those came way later.
612
00:20:43.780 --> 00:20:45.280
Podcasts were just audio.
613
00:20:45.280 --> 00:20:46.580
Yeah, all you had.
614
00:20:46.580 --> 00:20:49.280
Yeah, you just had to have a microphone and a soundproof room.
615
00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:49.780
That's it.
616
00:20:49.780 --> 00:20:50.580
Yeah.
617
00:20:50.580 --> 00:20:58.080
So I, I do feel though that I have this chip on my shoulder about
618
00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:03.880
having to create having to create all this bullshit.
619
00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:04.780
And I love create.
620
00:21:04.780 --> 00:21:07.480
I think this to explain why we're doing this.
621
00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:09.880
It's because we are forced to create content.
622
00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.380
We are forced to try and get attention in this world.
623
00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:13.580
We're forced by Tim.
624
00:21:13.580 --> 00:21:14.080
I feel like.
625
00:21:14.080 --> 00:21:16.080
No, I didn't force you to do this.
626
00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:17.780
I kind of, I talked to you into it.
627
00:21:17.780 --> 00:21:18.780
I feel like I need to move.
628
00:21:18.780 --> 00:21:21.280
I've certainly worked around through you into it.
629
00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:22.280
Yeah.
630
00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:24.480
But I think that there's this expectation of all of us.
631
00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.080
Everyone out there right now, if you want to create a career,
632
00:21:27.080 --> 00:21:31.680
you have to have an audience or else you're not a trusted source.
633
00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.280
You could say otherwise you have to be visible.
634
00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:34.280
Well, let's see.
635
00:21:34.280 --> 00:21:35.280
Right.
636
00:21:35.280 --> 00:21:36.280
Tom Collins.
637
00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:37.280
Brian Collins.
638
00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:38.280
Brian Collins.
639
00:21:38.280 --> 00:21:39.780
We were trusted source.
640
00:21:39.780 --> 00:21:40.780
They're out there.
641
00:21:40.780 --> 00:21:41.780
I see them.
642
00:21:41.780 --> 00:21:42.280
No.
643
00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:46.280
If you believe it, Reggie, I'm, yeah, totally.
644
00:21:46.780 --> 00:21:49.280
We have to dilulu is the salulu.
645
00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:51.280
I just dilulu is the salulu.
646
00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:52.280
Gotta do it.
647
00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:53.280
Yes.
648
00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:54.280
Yeah.
649
00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:56.280
Well, this is a non-secward or maybe not,
650
00:21:56.280 --> 00:21:58.780
because I think I can tie it back in to the topic.
651
00:21:58.780 --> 00:21:59.780
See what you can do.
652
00:21:59.780 --> 00:22:01.280
But you said, chip on your shoulder,
653
00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:03.580
and it's mainly made me think of this real
654
00:22:03.580 --> 00:22:05.780
that I saw the other day, which I think
655
00:22:05.780 --> 00:22:11.280
reels are sort of a real, it's a, it's a, it's a,
656
00:22:11.280 --> 00:22:13.280
it's a real, a real.
657
00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:15.280
My skin's crawling right here.
658
00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:18.280
It was, it was a whole area when I'm letting you down.
659
00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:20.280
It was a hilarious prank.
660
00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:23.280
This, this older guy sitting at the table,
661
00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:26.280
he's having dinner with his family or his family and friends.
662
00:22:26.280 --> 00:22:29.280
And his wife, I guess, comes around and puts a chip on his shoulder.
663
00:22:29.280 --> 00:22:31.280
That's, he's already talking about a topic.
664
00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:33.280
And so he's saying, well, you know, I just don't know
665
00:22:33.280 --> 00:22:34.280
why they have to do that.
666
00:22:34.280 --> 00:22:36.280
And then somebody said, you know, you got a chip on your shoulder.
667
00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:38.280
I don't have a chip on my shoulder.
668
00:22:38.280 --> 00:22:41.280
So he gets, he just gets so heated.
669
00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:42.280
Everybody keeps saying it.
670
00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:44.280
But why do you have a chip on your shoulder?
671
00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:46.280
He's like, I don't have a chip on my shoulder.
672
00:22:46.280 --> 00:22:48.280
I just think that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
673
00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:50.280
And he's like, no, you have a chip on your shoulder.
674
00:22:50.280 --> 00:22:52.280
And then somebody comes over and touches it.
675
00:22:52.280 --> 00:22:54.280
And it disarms him completely.
676
00:22:54.280 --> 00:22:55.280
But it was hilarious to me.
677
00:22:55.280 --> 00:22:57.280
Everyone loves me in the butt of a joke.
678
00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:58.280
They do.
679
00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:03.280
So are you or saying you want me to, you want to be the butt of the joke?
680
00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:06.280
I feel like, I do feel like in this world,
681
00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:08.280
if you can't perform, you are the butt of the joke.
682
00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:10.280
Like you, you're not a trusted source.
683
00:23:11.280 --> 00:23:13.280
If you're not in a video, you don't have,
684
00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:16.280
the epitome of power right now is an audience.
685
00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:19.280
That is, you have the power if you have an audience.
686
00:23:19.280 --> 00:23:22.280
If you don't, you're, you don't need anything in the world.
687
00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:27.280
The thing that's cool about this format is that you can start off with
688
00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:28.280
an audience.
689
00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:29.280
But this is what they tell you.
690
00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:33.280
But then once you get to a point where you actually are making some traction,
691
00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:37.280
you have an audience, even that earlier content gets picked up.
692
00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:41.280
People will, hopefully at some point, I mean, I know it certainly happened with me
693
00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:45.280
where I'd discovered a podcast or a vlog.
694
00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:55.280
And I'm like, this guy is really insightful.
695
00:23:55.280 --> 00:23:58.280
And so then I'll go back and look at the earlier stuff.
696
00:23:58.280 --> 00:24:06.280
Yeah, but this is not a lot of these things start and continue with them saying,
697
00:24:06.280 --> 00:24:11.280
you just have to start with the little thing and then you'll be famous someday.
698
00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:16.280
I think if you're doing it for fame, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
699
00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:18.280
But why else would you take your time?
700
00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:20.280
Does anyone know how long it takes to make a vlog?
701
00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.280
Does anyone tried?
702
00:24:21.280 --> 00:24:22.280
Apparently they do.
703
00:24:22.280 --> 00:24:24.280
I've tried and mine's not even that good.
704
00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:25.280
It takes hours.
705
00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:30.280
People that are making really high-end edited vlogs are spending night and day on these things.
706
00:24:30.280 --> 00:24:32.280
We don't understand the sacrifice.
707
00:24:32.280 --> 00:24:33.280
My kids don't understand the sacrifice.
708
00:24:33.280 --> 00:24:35.280
They're YouTube being, they're live streaming.
709
00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:42.280
What I'm saying is that they'll tell you that these things are easy or that you can just start.
710
00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:44.280
And I think it's a little bullshit.
711
00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:47.280
I think what you'll find is a couple people will be successful
712
00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:50.280
and they're the ones that they hang the carrot up where you could be this.
713
00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:52.280
You'll have about a million thousand followers.
714
00:24:52.280 --> 00:24:56.280
But they don't cover the millions of people who are doing the same amount of work,
715
00:24:56.280 --> 00:25:02.280
making the same amount of content, getting no play, getting covered up, getting concealed.
716
00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:04.280
Because it largely doesn't work.
717
00:25:04.280 --> 00:25:05.280
That's what I'm saying.
718
00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:10.280
The thing you see, you're seeing those things, not because you're accidentally saw them,
719
00:25:10.280 --> 00:25:13.280
because the algorithm is showing you for a reason.
720
00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:17.280
Whether it's the narrative, they want you to believe something, or they want you to buy something.
721
00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:18.280
It's all on purpose.
722
00:25:18.280 --> 00:25:22.280
I don't understand why we still think that we're just kind of stumbling on the cool content.
723
00:25:22.280 --> 00:25:23.280
That stuff not works.
724
00:25:23.280 --> 00:25:25.280
Or hot take.
725
00:25:25.280 --> 00:25:28.280
Unless you're searching for that content directly.
726
00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:33.280
Do they have such a good understanding of their personal brand and their selves
727
00:25:33.280 --> 00:25:37.280
that they are succeeding in your algorithm?
728
00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:39.280
I think that's something about that.
729
00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:41.280
I mean, that's what all the branding tutorials will tell you.
730
00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:42.280
And I understand why you would think that.
731
00:25:42.280 --> 00:25:45.280
Because they are teaching us, you have to know your brand, you have to be clear.
732
00:25:45.280 --> 00:25:48.280
But they're not showing you the thousands who know their brand,
733
00:25:48.280 --> 00:25:52.280
who are making the content relevant to who they are and are not getting played.
734
00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:54.280
What I'm telling you is they're not showing you the failures.
735
00:25:54.280 --> 00:25:57.280
They're only showing these successes so that you think it's possible
736
00:25:57.280 --> 00:25:58.280
so you think there's hope.
737
00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:02.280
Can I, this is a stance that I hold often on this podcast.
738
00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:06.280
I think that the four of us here have a shared definition of success
739
00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:08.280
because we're trying to do something together.
740
00:26:08.280 --> 00:26:14.280
We're like, I'm trying to get paid to be a creative, help companies solve their challenges
741
00:26:14.280 --> 00:26:16.280
that could be solved through design, things like branding.
742
00:26:16.280 --> 00:26:19.280
And, you know, have a great time doing it.
743
00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:22.280
And so that's sort of, there's probably some things that I've missed,
744
00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:23.280
like our metric of success on this.
745
00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:26.280
But one of the key things we have to have to do it is money.
746
00:26:26.280 --> 00:26:31.280
So we're kind of like hoping that one day this will feed some sort of vicious circle
747
00:26:31.280 --> 00:26:37.280
and help us get paid to, you know, offer what we offer to the world.
748
00:26:37.280 --> 00:26:42.280
But I think that sometimes, Tim, when you start to get really jaded about these systems,
749
00:26:42.280 --> 00:26:46.280
I think it's because you're trying to make the system work to make you money.
750
00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:49.280
And I think you got to kind of let go and say,
751
00:26:49.280 --> 00:26:54.280
what if the role of media out in the world has to have a purpose?
752
00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:55.280
Like my reason for making it.
753
00:26:55.280 --> 00:26:59.280
How are you going to spend eight hours a day and not make money?
754
00:26:59.280 --> 00:27:00.280
That's a great question.
755
00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:02.280
No one has the ability to do it unless you're full of the rich.
756
00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:03.280
That's an artist, Tim.
757
00:27:03.280 --> 00:27:04.280
I know, but how do they make money?
758
00:27:04.280 --> 00:27:05.280
What do they make money?
759
00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:07.280
That's the problem is we don't value art.
760
00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:09.280
And so we're not paying for any of that.
761
00:27:09.280 --> 00:27:12.280
But I'm saying the democratization, and we'll put that in quotes
762
00:27:12.280 --> 00:27:15.280
because we have an issue with how those elections are run.
763
00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:21.280
And when I, when you talk about the vlog scenery as like,
764
00:27:21.280 --> 00:27:23.280
oh, yeah, is the algorithm rewarding?
765
00:27:23.280 --> 00:27:26.280
What's good or is the algorithm rewarding, you know,
766
00:27:26.280 --> 00:27:28.280
whatever it wants to incentivize?
767
00:27:28.280 --> 00:27:30.280
Like, we're basically saying the election is rigged
768
00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:31.280
if you're going to use the word.
769
00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:32.280
Like up will.
770
00:27:32.280 --> 00:27:36.280
Yeah, sorry, but I'm just, I'm saying like,
771
00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:40.280
I think that you have to let go of it making you money.
772
00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:42.280
And then it can work differently.
773
00:27:42.280 --> 00:27:47.280
And you can hack the system in a different way that might one day make you money.
774
00:27:47.280 --> 00:27:49.280
I understand the metric and I agree with you.
775
00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:50.280
I totally agree with you.
776
00:27:50.280 --> 00:27:51.280
I don't let go of making money.
777
00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:55.280
I'm just saying, how do you survive not making money?
778
00:27:55.280 --> 00:27:56.280
And that's the real problem.
779
00:27:56.280 --> 00:27:59.280
They require, but the algorithm is doing it wrong.
780
00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:01.280
No, I'm saying, no, it's not that.
781
00:28:01.280 --> 00:28:03.280
It's that you've been forced to do it now.
782
00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:05.280
It is the requirement of your career.
783
00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:06.280
Yeah.
784
00:28:06.280 --> 00:28:07.280
That's what I'm saying.
785
00:28:07.280 --> 00:28:09.280
I'm not saying it's wrong to make a video.
786
00:28:09.280 --> 00:28:12.280
People have been making performances before a time.
787
00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:14.280
It's just how much record time.
788
00:28:14.280 --> 00:28:16.280
How much meaning do you put on that video
789
00:28:16.280 --> 00:28:18.280
and how much significance do you put on it
790
00:28:18.280 --> 00:28:21.280
in terms of being part of your money making?
791
00:28:21.280 --> 00:28:25.280
If you're going to take large swaths of your life
792
00:28:25.280 --> 00:28:27.280
and give to something,
793
00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:29.280
and you're not going to get anything back from it,
794
00:28:29.280 --> 00:28:32.280
you're just doing it as an offering as a free gift of artistry.
795
00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:33.280
What is that?
796
00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:34.280
What kind of...
797
00:28:34.280 --> 00:28:36.280
I mean, some people say that they get fed.
798
00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:39.280
Like, there's a nourishment in the making of the thing.
799
00:28:39.280 --> 00:28:41.280
But also buying food is a nourishment that has happened.
800
00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:42.280
Absolutely.
801
00:28:42.280 --> 00:28:44.280
I'm saying, do they have to be coupled?
802
00:28:44.280 --> 00:28:47.280
And you're trying to make the argument like these days, kind of, yeah.
803
00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:49.280
I mean, there will always be these people that just love
804
00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:50.280
what they do so much.
805
00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:52.280
They just want to do it for free all the time.
806
00:28:52.280 --> 00:28:53.280
And everyone can watch me.
807
00:28:53.280 --> 00:28:54.280
No one pay me.
808
00:28:54.280 --> 00:28:56.280
I admire people that are like that,
809
00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:57.280
and they're far and through between.
810
00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:00.280
I think the only way that works is if you're getting paid a different way.
811
00:29:00.280 --> 00:29:03.280
Yeah, like working bars all night while you make videos or games.
812
00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:05.280
Or nothing, maybe, and your parents are floating you.
813
00:29:05.280 --> 00:29:08.280
Yeah. Well, I'm saying the wealthy do have a leg up
814
00:29:08.280 --> 00:29:10.280
because they can make this content.
815
00:29:10.280 --> 00:29:11.280
They can get the attention.
816
00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:12.280
They can do the advertising.
817
00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:13.280
They don't have to work.
818
00:29:13.280 --> 00:29:17.280
I've got one particular example that I think helps him's case.
819
00:29:17.280 --> 00:29:18.280
I have a friend.
820
00:29:18.280 --> 00:29:22.280
We have a mutual friend who's son at one point was like,
821
00:29:22.280 --> 00:29:24.280
oh, we all have a mutual friend.
822
00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:29.280
That was just going to be, I'm just going to become like he was really big
823
00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:33.280
into like Peter Kenning or whatever's in like all these.
824
00:29:33.280 --> 00:29:34.280
Peter Pan?
825
00:29:34.280 --> 00:29:35.280
No, no.
826
00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:42.280
He's a, he's a, he is a YouTube vlogger who talks about mostly like text,
827
00:29:42.280 --> 00:29:43.280
like video text.
828
00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:45.280
Same as the Casey guy.
829
00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:46.280
Yeah.
830
00:29:46.280 --> 00:29:48.280
But basically Casey nice that.
831
00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:49.280
That's his name.
832
00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:50.280
You say Casey knife.
833
00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:51.280
Yeah.
834
00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:52.280
He was our friend.
835
00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:53.280
I don't think he has to be a vlogger.
836
00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:54.280
I don't think he has to be a vlogger.
837
00:29:54.280 --> 00:29:58.280
And he would follow these guys and it made it look easy.
838
00:29:58.280 --> 00:30:00.280
He's like, oh, they're just talking about the thing they love.
839
00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:01.280
I want to do that.
840
00:30:01.280 --> 00:30:05.280
His dad was like, dude, that's not realistic.
841
00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:10.280
And it's as a parent who is a kid who you're still supporting
842
00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:13.280
who's not a wealthy parent.
843
00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:16.280
You have to say, like this is not realistic to go out.
844
00:30:16.280 --> 00:30:20.280
To think you're just going to go out with a camera and a microphone
845
00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:24.280
and just make content all day and somehow you're going to become rich.
846
00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:25.280
It's not how it works.
847
00:30:25.280 --> 00:30:30.280
And so his dad had to be in that sort of tough love, tough love mindset
848
00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:34.280
to give, to teach him a little bit about reality.
849
00:30:34.280 --> 00:30:36.280
Like this is not how it works.
850
00:30:36.280 --> 00:30:39.280
These guys have been doing this for a very long time.
851
00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:41.280
And they put so much money into it.
852
00:30:41.280 --> 00:30:44.280
It's not like they're just out of the camera making it.
853
00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:48.280
They sacrifice a lot of money to get it going, to stay with it.
854
00:30:48.280 --> 00:30:52.280
And just when things were getting bad, they had to keep pushing through.
855
00:30:52.280 --> 00:30:58.280
And not every young person has the resources to do that.
856
00:30:58.280 --> 00:31:00.280
Especially when they're draining it from the parents.
857
00:31:00.280 --> 00:31:01.280
Exactly.
858
00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:03.280
And I'll tell you one other layer on this.
859
00:31:03.280 --> 00:31:04.280
It's the exact same thing.
860
00:31:04.280 --> 00:31:07.280
But at another level is they make everything else seem simple.
861
00:31:07.280 --> 00:31:08.280
Like crypto.
862
00:31:08.280 --> 00:31:09.280
Make a ton of money or crypto.
863
00:31:09.280 --> 00:31:10.280
Trading.
864
00:31:10.280 --> 00:31:11.280
Make a ton of money or trading.
865
00:31:11.280 --> 00:31:12.280
Yeah.
866
00:31:12.280 --> 00:31:13.280
Open box.
867
00:31:13.280 --> 00:31:14.280
Make a ton of money.
868
00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:17.280
It's all a money grab because they're the ones getting the money.
869
00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:18.280
Right.
870
00:31:18.280 --> 00:31:20.280
For you watching the content and thinking that you're going to make money.
871
00:31:20.280 --> 00:31:21.280
It's like a pyramid scheme.
872
00:31:21.280 --> 00:31:22.280
Yeah.
873
00:31:22.280 --> 00:31:25.280
I agree with you in that there's a total lie around.
874
00:31:25.280 --> 00:31:26.280
Oh, it's easy.
875
00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:27.280
What did you say?
876
00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:28.280
She can't handle it.
877
00:31:28.280 --> 00:31:31.280
Not like to see here, folks.
878
00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:35.280
I'm like easing the tension because I'm in the middle between the parents.
879
00:31:35.280 --> 00:31:37.280
Like arguing and I like felt it on my shoulders.
880
00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:40.280
And I was like, all right, I'm getting my warm up.
881
00:31:40.280 --> 00:31:42.280
Oh, Dylan, I don't want you to think I'm mad.
882
00:31:42.280 --> 00:31:43.280
I'm passionate.
883
00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:44.280
Oh, trust me.
884
00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:45.280
I love it.
885
00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:46.280
I'm passionate.
886
00:31:46.280 --> 00:31:47.280
You're mad.
887
00:31:47.280 --> 00:31:48.280
You're not mad at us.
888
00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:49.280
I'm mad.
889
00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:50.280
I'm mad at us.
890
00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:52.280
He's like, you guys don't know.
891
00:31:52.280 --> 00:31:56.280
No, I just feel like I want to protect all the people out there
892
00:31:56.280 --> 00:32:00.280
that aren't making it because of this bullshit system we've created.
893
00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:01.280
Not we've created.
894
00:32:01.280 --> 00:32:02.280
They've created.
895
00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:03.280
Yeah.
896
00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:05.280
You guys can't handle that.
897
00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:06.280
There you go.
898
00:32:06.280 --> 00:32:09.280
I feel like I take it off of here and take it up there.
899
00:32:09.280 --> 00:32:10.280
I agree.
900
00:32:10.280 --> 00:32:11.280
I'm gonna throw my chip.
901
00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:12.280
Yeah.
902
00:32:12.280 --> 00:32:13.280
Yeah.
903
00:32:13.280 --> 00:32:14.280
I mean, she's dark.
904
00:32:14.280 --> 00:32:15.280
But I used to.
905
00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:16.280
I used to.
906
00:32:16.280 --> 00:32:18.280
That was a YouTube video from my growing up days.
907
00:32:18.280 --> 00:32:21.280
I think you're right that it is in no way as easy as they make it out to be.
908
00:32:21.280 --> 00:32:23.280
In the way, hear me out.
909
00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:27.280
In the way that like painting is not as easy as we make it out to be.
910
00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:29.280
Anybody can like throw some paint up on a canvas.
911
00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:31.280
But like there's taking.
912
00:32:31.280 --> 00:32:35.280
It's like imagine when digital art became a thing.
913
00:32:35.280 --> 00:32:37.280
People probably looked at that and they were like, that's not art.
914
00:32:37.280 --> 00:32:39.280
But today it definitely is art.
915
00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:44.280
So I'm saying this by the same logic that you were like, oh, these parents had to talk
916
00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:46.280
their kids out and doing content creation.
917
00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:49.280
I think they do need to have a reality check that like there's two ways to make content.
918
00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:51.280
There's a million ways to make content.
919
00:32:51.280 --> 00:32:55.280
But one way is I'm trying to get famous off this content and let the content be my job.
920
00:32:55.280 --> 00:33:01.280
And the other way that you're talking about has to happen as a bare minimum is this content is my resume.
921
00:33:01.280 --> 00:33:05.280
And we've had to make a resume in a portfolio the whole time.
922
00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:07.280
Yeah, it's a new.
923
00:33:07.280 --> 00:33:08.280
It's a new.
924
00:33:08.280 --> 00:33:09.280
It's a new.
925
00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:10.280
Involved.
926
00:33:10.280 --> 00:33:11.280
Living.
927
00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:12.280
Resume.
928
00:33:12.280 --> 00:33:13.280
You have to keep recreating on a daily basis.
929
00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:14.280
Whatever is on site.
930
00:33:14.280 --> 00:33:15.280
And this is why you got to let kids touch an iPad.
931
00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:16.280
Are they going to.
932
00:33:16.280 --> 00:33:17.280
No.
933
00:33:17.280 --> 00:33:18.280
Oh shit.
934
00:33:18.280 --> 00:33:20.280
That is such a false way to look at it.
935
00:33:20.280 --> 00:33:21.280
And painters.
936
00:33:21.280 --> 00:33:23.280
There was never anyone in the old days that said painting is easy.
937
00:33:23.280 --> 00:33:24.280
Try painting.
938
00:33:24.280 --> 00:33:25.280
So funny.
939
00:33:25.280 --> 00:33:26.280
They did it.
940
00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:27.280
They printists.
941
00:33:27.280 --> 00:33:28.280
They never.
942
00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:29.280
They are printists under master painters.
943
00:33:29.280 --> 00:33:30.280
They didn't say.
944
00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:32.280
You can be a painter too and make millions of them.
945
00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:33.280
They weren't even rich.
946
00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:34.280
They never saw those.
947
00:33:34.280 --> 00:33:35.280
That was like a thing.
948
00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:37.280
I'm just saying they weren't even rich.
949
00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:40.280
They set up as a town square and they were like, I'm a painter.
950
00:33:40.280 --> 00:33:41.280
See how easy it is.
951
00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:42.280
You can do this.
952
00:33:42.280 --> 00:33:44.280
We don't know if that was a early phase of life.
953
00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:50.280
When you go and watch, you go look at the Sistine Chapel and you go through their museum and their galleries.
954
00:33:50.280 --> 00:33:56.280
You see how Raphael and Michelangelo, they all had a troop of apprentices.
955
00:33:56.280 --> 00:34:00.280
And they stood on the shoulders of tons of painters who had come before them.
956
00:34:00.280 --> 00:34:05.280
But there aren't that many vloggers who have come before us because it's such a new medium.
957
00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:06.280
So we don't know.
958
00:34:06.280 --> 00:34:07.280
That's what I'm saying.
959
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:11.280
But what I'm saying is to say it's easy is a lie.
960
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.280
Correct.
961
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.280
And to require everyone to do it to succeed is bullshit.
962
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.280
I think that's the same about like ask out.
963
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:24.280
You know, there was a time when asking people to read and write was like, well, okay, witty, toyty.
964
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.280
You had to be able to type to get certain jobs.
965
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.280
Well, all right.
966
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.280
I'm like, it's job specialization and it's a skill.
967
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.280
It is job specific.
968
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.280
The use over every career.
969
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.280
If you want to succeed, I'm saying succeed.
970
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.280
You don't have to have a vlog to go work at McDonald's.
971
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:41.280
Right.
972
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.280
But who wants to work at McDonald's?
973
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.280
That's not a place you want to end up.
974
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.280
That's a great question.
975
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.280
Six seed.
976
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:47.280
Okay.
977
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.280
So let's agree.
978
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.280
You're using McDonald's.
979
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.280
I can see.
980
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:57.280
I can see that that is your definition of not being successful because you're saying you can do this little level job and not have to make a vlog.
981
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.280
Well, where's the line?
982
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.280
If you want to do anything else in this world, I've tried.
983
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.280
I was like, what can I do that doesn't involve being on your computer all the time and having to make content.
984
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.280
And where do you end up?
985
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.280
And every career is marketing adjacent.
986
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:14.280
I think you have a point.
987
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:21.280
I think there's a huge portion of the job market that we're leaving out and frankly a lot of people don't like to think about.
988
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.280
And maybe those are the jobs that AI is going to come for and everything's going to be robotics.
989
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.280
But I still think that there's a huge portion of the population who doesn't have to make content to get a job.
990
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.280
But those jobs are changing rapidly.
991
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:38.280
And we do tend to see them as like second class kind of jobs.
992
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:43.280
But to your point, I agree with you that most of the jobs that people aspire to.
993
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:44.280
Creative jobs.
994
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:45.280
Imagine like the creative sector.
995
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.280
And I think that's part of when I hear you talk.
996
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:53.280
I'm like, okay, let's be careful because there are like a million things out there that we don't care about at all.
997
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.280
But that somebody else does.
998
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.280
To be a creative, I do think you got to be visible and you got to put it out there some way.
999
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.280
But I do think there's a way to do it that's like, I need this to be my job.
1000
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.280
There's a way to do this that's like, I just...
1001
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.280
You're not trying to make money off the content.
1002
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.280
You're trying to help use the content to get seen to make money doing something else.
1003
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.280
That's what we're doing right now.
1004
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:19.280
And then there's another way of doing it that is like, there's something interesting to me about this medium.
1005
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.280
Like, I'm a director.
1006
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.280
I told the topic of blogs.
1007
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.280
In 2024, I was in the middle of this huge vlog project.
1008
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:32.280
When Helene hit and my family lost their homes and we just lost a baby in the family.
1009
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:38.280
And so like, there's some really crazy footage of me talking to a camera just like trying to process.
1010
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:44.280
And that wasn't made with the intention of making money.
1011
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.280
That wasn't made with the intention of making money.
1012
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.280
That was just like an expression of something.
1013
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.280
And I think that's good.
1014
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.280
That's a video.
1015
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.280
And that's something that's in your hands.
1016
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.280
Not the same as a vlog.
1017
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.280
Well, I'm just saying, you're not hosting it trying to spread word about this.
1018
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:03.280
But we all make home videos where we can remember things or remember a smile and a voice.
1019
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:04.280
I'm not talking about that.
1020
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.280
I'm talking about gestures.
1021
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.280
I'm talking about it together as a piece and put it out there.
1022
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.280
Like, who's to say?
1023
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:16.280
But I think that there are people doing it in that way who happened to end up in this content makes me money.
1024
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.280
In the way that people might love painting.
1025
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.280
And they just do it for the joy of painting because their parents told them they could never make any money at it.
1026
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.280
And you're one and a million.
1027
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.280
This is not going to support you.
1028
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.280
So find something else to do.
1029
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.280
But they love doing it.
1030
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.280
And then somehow.
1031
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.280
Doing this now.
1032
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.280
I think the monologue you do.
1033
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.280
I'm doing that.
1034
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.280
Because I have to.
1035
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:36.280
No.
1036
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.280
Well, maybe.
1037
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.280
I have.
1038
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.280
You know, in years I've not done this.
1039
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.280
This is the same as you making band posters, but hating to make band posters.
1040
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:43.280
Yeah.
1041
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.280
I think it's some of.
1042
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.280
Here's the other thing too.
1043
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.280
I think ultimately there are there is a whole generation of people.
1044
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:57.280
Or not generation, just a population of people that are making videos pretty much for themselves.
1045
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.280
It's like, this is something I'm excited about.
1046
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.280
I'm just going to record myself baking a cake or doing the thing.
1047
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.280
Yeah.
1048
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.280
And they don't think I'm going to be famous.
1049
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.280
They do it because it's something they're passionate about.
1050
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.280
And they just kind of want to share it with two or three people.
1051
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:13.280
And then eventually.
1052
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.280
And those same two or three people keep liking their posts.
1053
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.280
Yeah.
1054
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:24.280
But then eventually it may happen that that person who's now got a catalog of like 400 videos gets.
1055
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.280
Somebody stumbles upon one and goes, my God, this is fucking.
1056
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.280
You're building a body of work.
1057
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.280
Yeah.
1058
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.280
But that's you just literally spelled out the narrative.
1059
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.280
That is the narrative.
1060
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:34.280
Yeah.
1061
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.280
It's fun.
1062
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:36.280
Are you mad at the cake?
1063
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.280
Yeah.
1064
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.280
But no.
1065
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:39.280
No, no, not at all.
1066
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.280
I mean, it's the story you've been told.
1067
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.280
But I'm saying you see it.
1068
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.280
You love what she does.
1069
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:44.280
She's posting it she wants to.
1070
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.280
Yeah.
1071
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:46.280
And it's true.
1072
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.280
It does happen.
1073
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.280
People write things just like we made home videos.
1074
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:49.280
We made them.
1075
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.280
And then maybe someone will see it.
1076
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.280
I went through this with being in a band and a record label.
1077
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:55.280
Maybe someone will see your band.
1078
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:56.280
Just keep making music.
1079
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:57.280
But here's the point.
1080
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:05.280
The point is that she, this person in my hypothetical story just happened to have gotten stumbled upon.
1081
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.280
But think of all the people that do it and keep doing it.
1082
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.280
And they're still their motivation.
1083
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.280
Their objective is not to be famous and not to make money.
1084
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.280
They're just sharing content.
1085
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.280
So if you look at it that way, there is no harm.
1086
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.280
No foul.
1087
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.280
They haven't lost anything.
1088
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.280
And their dreams aren't crushed.
1089
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.280
Because at no point, they're like, gosh, I really hope I get millions of followers.
1090
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.280
They're just like, man, I love doing this.
1091
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:27.280
This has become part of my.
1092
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.280
My mom catches up with me on social media.
1093
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.280
Yeah.
1094
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.280
I share these with my relatives.
1095
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.280
And they love following and watching.
1096
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.280
We're talking about different things.
1097
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.280
I'm not talking about home videos to share with your family.
1098
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.280
That is not what I'm talking about.
1099
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.280
If anyone else that thinks I'm talking about that.
1100
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.280
If you want about your family and to your family and with your family.
1101
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.280
No, not just kids.
1102
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.280
I'm saying it's bullshit naivety to think that someone is just going to be,
1103
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.280
I just love this so much.
1104
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.280
And I'm just going to make this cake for these people.
1105
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.280
And why are they doing all their makeup and making themselves all jacked up with facework?
1106
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.280
Because people want to be seen.
1107
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.280
And you do these videos to be seen.
1108
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.280
You're not just doing them to disappear.
1109
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.280
You're not doing them to just do your love on the side.
1110
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.280
You're doing them to show people.
1111
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.280
You want people to see you if you're showing people.
1112
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.280
So when people aren't watching, it doesn't feel good.
1113
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.280
No one's out there saying, I love doing this.
1114
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.280
I hope no one sees this.
1115
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.280
Is that what they're saying?
1116
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.280
Is that the narrative?
1117
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.280
What about the millions of baking cakes?
1118
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.280
What are the millions of cake makers who are like,
1119
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:26.280
I just love making videos and showing them to no one.
1120
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.280
Is that the narrative?
1121
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:29.280
No.
1122
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:30.280
Why?
1123
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:31.280
Why?
1124
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.280
Why do they not show you the true narrative?
1125
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.280
I'm saying that the audience that we're the audience we're talking to,
1126
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.280
the ones who watch this, have the pressure on them,
1127
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.280
daily, a real pressure.
1128
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.280
We know all the creatives in our space, in our city,
1129
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.280
who have not made videos, are not succeeding.
1130
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.280
The ones who are making content.
1131
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.280
Thank you very much.
1132
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.280
We do have fun.
1133
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:55.280
I mean, think about where we are.
1134
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.280
We are not succeeding at the level of the people like,
1135
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.280
John Wooer, what's his name?
1136
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.280
No.
1137
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.280
What's the guy that teaches creative stuff?
1138
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.280
Oh, you're thinking about that.
1139
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.280
He's also more important.
1140
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:10.280
No, he is really huge.
1141
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:11.280
I don't know why John Woo.
1142
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.280
I think he directed Mission Impossible.
1143
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.280
Chris do.
1144
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.280
Chris Doe.
1145
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.280
Chris Doe.
1146
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.280
Chris Doe.
1147
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.280
Alright, so here's what I'm saying.
1148
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.280
He's going to love watching this one.
1149
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.280
I'm trying to spell the narrative
1150
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.280
that everyone tries to say about social media,
1151
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.280
because it is not democratized anymore.
1152
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.280
It is heavily saturated and heavily controlled.
1153
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.280
Well, it's been, we didn't realize the measures
1154
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.280
by which we were being controlled,
1155
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.280
but we got into it and thinking it was all fun and games
1156
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.280
and then like, now you're trapped.
1157
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:47.280
It's Westworld.
1158
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.280
Now we control you.
1159
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:49.280
Yeah.
1160
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.280
I agree with a lot of what you're saying.
1161
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:52.280
I do think.
1162
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.280
I'm just not afraid to see the negative side of it.
1163
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.280
There's a lot of different kinds of people in the world
1164
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.280
who engage with social media in different kinds of ways.
1165
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.280
And I think maybe part of what makes this so confusing
1166
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.280
or frustrating is that it's all blurry.
1167
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.280
It's like all gray.
1168
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.280
There are so many people who are posting
1169
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.280
who maybe don't know which camp they sit in.
1170
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:15.280
And so that's, I think if I were talking to that kid
1171
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.280
of this friend of ours,
1172
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.280
saying that he wants to go into content creation.
1173
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:20.280
Right.
1174
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.280
He wants to hang his hat on that.
1175
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:24.280
Yeah.
1176
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.280
That is a very challenging life path.
1177
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.280
And there are no guarantees to success.
1178
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:30.280
Right.
1179
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:31.280
And where are you going to get that money?
1180
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:32.280
Right.
1181
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:33.280
No qualms against someone wanting to do this.
1182
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.280
I have no issue with someone wanting to make content.
1183
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.280
Like, I want people that want to make content to make content.
1184
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:39.280
Yeah.
1185
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.280
I'm saying the requirement for everyone to have to make content.
1186
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.280
Not everyone's good on camera.
1187
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.280
Not everyone can look at it and do the performance.
1188
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.280
And so then they just get segmented out.
1189
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.280
Like, you're no good.
1190
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.280
You don't have any attention to get hired in agencies.
1191
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.280
You have to have an audience.
1192
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.280
So are you as lit up about this as you are about
1193
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.280
tell me the difference between that and the resume or that
1194
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.280
and the portfolio?
1195
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.280
Because not everybody looks great on paper.
1196
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.280
Like, I'm a people skills person.
1197
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.280
It's really hard to talk about the soft skills that I bring.
1198
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.280
And I've always felt like a resume was really difficult.
1199
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:16.280
Thank you.
1200
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.280
That's why everybody was excellent.
1201
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.280
That was amazing.
1202
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:19.280
Thanks, Claude.
1203
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.280
But, you know what I mean?
1204
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.280
And that's another thing.
1205
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.280
We're not even talking about how AI is influencing this.
1206
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.280
Yeah, never mind about all that.
1207
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:25.280
Absolutely.
1208
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.280
But I think there has always been these bullshit rules.
1209
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.280
And this is just same shit different day.
1210
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.280
We've got better technology.
1211
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.280
It's more accessible to people at a lower price point.
1212
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.280
It is still a thing that you have to invest in equipment
1213
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.280
to be able to get done.
1214
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.280
So there is still this class difference.
1215
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.280
The time is a commodity that a lot of people don't think about.
1216
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.280
Like, you have to, these things take time to develop.
1217
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.280
Yeah.
1218
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.280
So, but in some ways, I feel like I'm getting a leg up.
1219
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.280
If I'm willing to, and I'm not yet, but Tim's gonna teach me the ways.
1220
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.280
If I'm willing to put the energy in,
1221
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:01.280
I definitely feel like what I bring to my work is more easily shown
1222
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.280
in a video, like a perspective giving video,
1223
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:10.280
versus like my portfolio looks like charts and frameworks.
1224
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.280
And yes, there's pieces of creative work,
1225
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.280
but it was the result of a process that I'm trying to explain.
1226
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.280
I don't think any of me gets hired to portfolio, be honest.
1227
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.280
It's because someone is someone.
1228
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.280
And you got a special look.
1229
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.280
You got a special look.
1230
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.280
You got a special this.
1231
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.280
It literally is relationships and everything.
1232
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:29.280
I was trying to look in any way.
1233
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.280
And you're portfolioing me.
1234
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:31.280
Exactly.
1235
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.280
I would actually disagree.
1236
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:33.280
I would know.
1237
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.280
No way, dude, portfolio is hard to believe.
1238
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.280
No way.
1239
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:37.280
Everyone's got a good portfolio.
1240
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.280
I guarantee you.
1241
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.280
If you talk to any agency, or you talk to any company,
1242
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.280
and they're not just gonna flip through a bunch of portfolios,
1243
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.280
I'm like, this one looks really good.
1244
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.280
They do.
1245
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.280
They don't have time to look through all of them.
1246
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.280
They have people, groups of people that look through them
1247
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:50.280
and say, this one looks good.
1248
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.280
And then someone calls their friend and like,
1249
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.280
dude, my friend, the guy I was talking about,
1250
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:55.280
they got hired at East Fork.
1251
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:56.280
You know what he got hired?
1252
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.280
Oh.
1253
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:58.280
Because his friend knows the owner.
1254
00:44:58.280 --> 00:44:59.280
Yeah.
1255
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.280
I know the owner, but I'm just saying that when you make a call
1256
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.280
and say, my friend's gonna be applying,
1257
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:05.280
that person's like, I love you, I trust you.
1258
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.280
I think you have something good to say about this person.
1259
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.280
They can't fuck it up on the, I mean, on the,
1260
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.280
they can't mess with the details on their portfolio.
1261
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.280
Right.
1262
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.280
It's easy to align a portfolio.
1263
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.280
Every person has been jaded by a portfolio that's not real.
1264
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.280
You get an agency portfolio and someone's like,
1265
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.280
I worked on a team that did a Google project.
1266
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.280
Who put Google in your portfolio?
1267
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.280
No.
1268
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.280
But they had no control over the project.
1269
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.280
I definitely know that.
1270
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:28.280
That's not art.
1271
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.280
But what I will say is that I do think the portfolio has more weight,
1272
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.280
I would say, even than a college degree.
1273
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.280
I don't know, as a college-educated person.
1274
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.280
I agree with connections and connections.
1275
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:40.280
Right.
1276
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.280
But he's thinking through also, like,
1277
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.280
and you do many things, but you're a photographer
1278
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.280
as one of the skills you bring.
1279
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:47.280
Oh, yeah.
1280
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.280
And I'm definitely looking at a photographer's output.
1281
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.280
Oh, 100%.
1282
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.280
You're gonna want to see what they can do.
1283
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:53.280
You're not just gonna hire a photographer.
1284
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.280
No, but my wife, you're not gonna do a wedding.
1285
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.280
You know why?
1286
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.280
Because her friend, those Megan, says,
1287
00:45:58.280 --> 00:45:59.280
she takes really good photography.
1288
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.280
And Megan's like, do you want to see my work?
1289
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:02.280
She's like, no, my friend told me about you.
1290
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.280
But I could guarantee you that I'm not gonna...
1291
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:05.280
It's not the norm.
1292
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.280
I'm not gonna get a $5,000 day-rate project
1293
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.280
from someone who just happened to say,
1294
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.280
yeah, you should use Reggie.
1295
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:13.280
He's cool.
1296
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.280
They're gonna look at my portfolio.
1297
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.280
Everyone I hear that talks about you say
1298
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:17.280
that you're amazing to work with.
1299
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.280
But they also have seen my portfolio.
1300
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:20.280
They know you.
1301
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.280
Has anyone called you that has never met anyone you know
1302
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.280
and said, I want to hire you to do a $5,000 day-rate?
1303
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.280
No, it's definitely been people.
1304
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:29.280
No.
1305
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.280
Because it doesn't work.
1306
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.280
And now with AI.
1307
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.280
But everything you see is fake anyway.
1308
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:34.280
I'm not.
1309
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.280
So why don't I just create a photo of portfolio
1310
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.280
of AI-generated content and let all the nubes
1311
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.280
who can't recognize AI hire me?
1312
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.280
Yeah.
1313
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:43.280
That is a good point.
1314
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:44.280
It's a lot of portfolio.
1315
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.280
I think a lot of it is being the new portfolio.
1316
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.280
It's like, how do you perform in front of a camera?
1317
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.280
Yeah, because people are getting to see your character
1318
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:53.280
in different situations.
1319
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:54.280
But they're not.
1320
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:55.280
Have you ever seen someone you put in front of?
1321
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:56.280
It's not a performative.
1322
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:57.280
Absolutely.
1323
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.280
But you put a camera on someone instantly they go weird.
1324
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.280
You don't get their real person to your point.
1325
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:03.280
It's all performative.
1326
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.280
And we're all being duped by the performance.
1327
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:07.280
Exactly.
1328
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.280
So to that point, people that are looking at someone's vlog
1329
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.280
are being sold that this is who this person is.
1330
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.280
This is how they handle stressful situations.
1331
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.280
This is the person that's going to show up
1332
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.280
and do the work for me.
1333
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.280
But why did they have to be good actors and video
1334
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.280
to get that job?
1335
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.280
What if they have other skills that are not recording videos?
1336
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.280
I would be looking at their portfolio.
1337
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.280
But I'm just saying like where,
1338
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.280
but that it's no longer just a portfolio.
1339
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280
I'm saying that we've added layers of metrics
1340
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.280
and requirements to success.
1341
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.280
Yeah, because our attention is so stretched thin
1342
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.280
that it's almost like,
1343
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.280
I don't want to have to schedule around your schedule
1344
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.280
to figure out whether you're good.
1345
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.280
I want you to have created a library of snippets
1346
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.280
that I can go peruse at my leisure
1347
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.280
and on topics that I can search and decide.
1348
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.280
And so it's like the library of Tim.
1349
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.280
So I'm going to go be able to search the library of Tim
1350
00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.280
and decide how I feel about this guy
1351
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.280
without ever even having to shake your hand
1352
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.280
or invite you in for an interview or anything like that.
1353
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.280
So I can judge you from a distance.
1354
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.280
You know, I would say time invested.
1355
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.280
I would say portfolios actually matter more
1356
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.280
because they're someone who has judged
1357
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.280
nationally lots of competitions
1358
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.280
and being particularly drawn to student work,
1359
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.280
like high level student work.
1360
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.280
These aren't people that can just
1361
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.280
think having worked on a project for Google or whoever,
1362
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.280
like they don't have any career history.
1363
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.280
They literally just out of school.
1364
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.280
So what you're looking at is mostly student work
1365
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.280
and early professional work.
1366
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.280
And because of that,
1367
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.280
and you see promise there,
1368
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.280
it definitely means a lot more than a career professional
1369
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:45.280
who's got this portfolio.
1370
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.280
And you don't know what percentage of input he had
1371
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.280
on a particular campaign for Airbnb.
1372
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.280
I think there's more about an artistic
1373
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:55.280
I'll go and say point of view.
1374
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.280
You're seeing promise there,
1375
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.280
but I think you're the higher this person
1376
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.280
because that is some really impressive work.
1377
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:01.280
I think these are being conflated together.
1378
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.280
To do a portfolio of your work
1379
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.280
has a unique bringing together of what you've done.
1380
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.280
To do a video, a creative video
1381
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:10.280
that gets people interested,
1382
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.280
that shows who you are, your natural self,
1383
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.280
being true to your brand, saying the right things,
1384
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.280
getting people interested,
1385
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.280
all in one video, but not one video,
1386
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.280
daily videos.
1387
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.280
He's a whole different thing.
1388
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.280
We're not talking about someone getting on video
1389
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.280
and saying, this is my work I did.
1390
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.280
I'm a painter.
1391
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.280
This is my work I did.
1392
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.280
I'm not saying they don't.
1393
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.280
I'm just saying the log world,
1394
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.280
I like to hear taking this
1395
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.280
because you nodded at me.
1396
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.280
Oh yeah, Dylan's on this podcast too.
1397
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.280
You nodded on me when I said something about being forced to do it.
1398
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.280
And I grew up when we weren't being forced to make videos,
1399
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.280
pre videos.
1400
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.280
You just had to do really good work,
1401
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.280
get to know people that you worked with,
1402
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.280
and that's how you succeeded.
1403
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:59.280
But now, you have to make these adjacent videos
1404
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:00.280
to make people succeed.
1405
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:01.280
Or do you?
1406
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.280
I want your seat.
1407
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.280
See, that's why I feel so bad that you feel that way,
1408
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:06.280
because I don't feel that way.
1409
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:07.280
It's good.
1410
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.280
And then I feel like I'm consuming
1411
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.280
a lot more of the vlogs than you are.
1412
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.280
But what do you feel like your career trajectory is?
1413
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.280
What do you feel like you have to do to succeed?
1414
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.280
You are going...
1415
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.280
Well, if she knew that, she'd be doing it too.
1416
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:26.280
Um, I'm like...
1417
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.280
Do you feel any pressure to make a vlog?
1418
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.280
No, not.
1419
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.280
I am pretty on the spot.
1420
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:33.280
But I was just saying,
1421
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.280
do you feel any pressure to make videos?
1422
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:36.280
No.
1423
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:37.280
Do you...
1424
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.280
It's not a part of any of your...
1425
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:40.280
I mean, no.
1426
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.280
Like, I don't feel this way of...
1427
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.280
Why did you have to go, Pro?
1428
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:46.280
Because it was cool.
1429
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:47.280
And I was...
1430
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.280
Because she was surfing.
1431
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:49.280
I was surfing.
1432
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:50.280
And she was like...
1433
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:51.280
I might shred some NAR,
1434
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.280
and want to share it with someone.
1435
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.280
I would say this, though.
1436
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.280
You may not be propelled to make a vlog,
1437
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.280
but you do your photo dump,
1438
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.280
which I think is kind of like that,
1439
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.280
because you're sharing part of your life's experience
1440
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:08.280
with an audience.
1441
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:09.280
Yeah.
1442
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:10.280
You're just not talking over it.
1443
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.280
Maybe I just don't feel the pressure to do it,
1444
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:13.280
like vlogging-wise.
1445
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.280
A lot of my friends are telling me to post TikToks,
1446
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.280
and I'm not really into it right now.
1447
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.280
Oh, that should totally post.
1448
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:20.280
I could see you.
1449
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.280
Maybe that's for you.
1450
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:22.280
But that's what people say.
1451
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.280
I can see you posting it like,
1452
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.280
why do we have to do all this?
1453
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.280
Can I tell you something, though?
1454
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:28.280
You and I both,
1455
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.280
and you might have feelings about this,
1456
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.280
but you and I both come from a performance background.
1457
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.280
We are comfortable on a stage.
1458
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.280
So I feel like video makes more sense
1459
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.280
for the two of us as a medium,
1460
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.280
versus something like what Dylan tends to do on social,
1461
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.280
is more of like, here I've curated,
1462
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.280
or here I'm giving my perspective
1463
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.280
in a series of stills.
1464
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.280
Like, I don't know,
1465
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:53.280
and some people are more verbal.
1466
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.280
Some people like to, like,
1467
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:55.280
are friend John Jones,
1468
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.280
like, to write his ideas out in a blog style,
1469
00:51:58.280 --> 00:51:59.280
like an essay style.
1470
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.280
The original B-log.
1471
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.280
Yeah, the B-log.
1472
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.280
So, like, I don't know.
1473
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.280
I agree with you that there are a ton of issues.
1474
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:07.280
There's so many things
1475
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.280
that are unintended byproducts,
1476
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.280
or like ways that were asking people to twist
1477
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:13.280
into a pretzel,
1478
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:14.280
and make themselves into something
1479
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.280
that they're not to get ahead.
1480
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.280
But I also feel like there's still a beautiful,
1481
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:23.280
like, your social media is your new portfolio,
1482
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.280
whether you like it that way or not.
1483
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.280
It's also maybe potential your interview,
1484
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.280
whether you like it that way or not.
1485
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.280
And there's multiple ways to get that information across,
1486
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.280
but it's not over there.
1487
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.280
But thanks for being here.
1488
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.280
I think that, you know,
1489
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.280
coming to terms with that fact
1490
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.280
and going into things like social media with purpose
1491
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.280
solves a lot of the trepidation
1492
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.280
and the, like, anxiety and the overthinking
1493
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.280
that I think we can get into
1494
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:52.280
when we're making content.
1495
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.280
That's not a guarantee of success by your metric.
1496
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.280
But, like, I still think it sucks,
1497
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.280
but, like, it can kind of be fun while it's sucking,
1498
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:02.280
I guess.
1499
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:03.280
That's where I'm at.
1500
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.280
Yeah, thank you.
1501
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:05.280
Get that trip off my knee.
1502
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.280
I didn't say, I just had a thought.
1503
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.280
So V-log show there.
1504
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.280
It's downgrading.
1505
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.280
And downgrading my trip.
1506
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.280
V-log stands for video log.
1507
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.280
I actually have no idea.
1508
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.280
I have no idea what the B stands for in blog, Bidio.
1509
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.280
No, Bidio log.
1510
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.280
What?
1511
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:26.280
I'm not joking.
1512
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:27.280
What is the B stand for?
1513
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.280
Log is just log, right?
1514
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.280
The web blog, and it's the B-log.
1515
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:35.280
They took the W-E off and you get logged.
1516
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.280
See, now that's creative.
1517
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:37.280
Thanks, Will.
1518
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:38.280
You're so smart.
1519
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:39.280
Wow.
1520
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.280
Weblog.
1521
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:43.280
Okay.
1522
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.280
That makes sense.
1523
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.280
Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just, like,
1524
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:47.280
Bidio log.
1525
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.280
Bidio log.
1526
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:49.280
Gated, like you said.
1527
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:50.280
And maybe I don't have any.
1528
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.280
Well, you're the person who's, like,
1529
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.280
the most bought in on social as a strategy,
1530
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.280
which I agree with, and, like,
1531
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.280
you're learning some hard tricks.
1532
00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:59.280
You know why?
1533
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.280
I have benefit from it.
1534
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.280
Do you know why?
1535
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:02.280
Uh-oh, he'll tell us.
1536
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:03.280
You're telling us.
1537
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:04.280
The line.
1538
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:05.280
Let it out too.
1539
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.280
For COVID, I had a very successful agency.
1540
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:09.280
Yeah.
1541
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:10.280
It's true.
1542
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:12.280
That grew seven years, 30% per year.
1543
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.280
I got a space right before COVID.
1544
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.280
A big space to start a collaborative workspace.
1545
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.280
Oh, yeah.
1546
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:19.280
It was a sweet space.
1547
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.280
And during COVID, everyone was forced online.
1548
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:23.280
Yeah.
1549
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.280
Every, the, the powers that be,
1550
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.280
I'm not saying they caused COVID,
1551
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:28.280
but they took advantage of the moment
1552
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.280
to redirect everyone's attention online
1553
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.280
and guess what happened to my business?
1554
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.280
Because you weren't online business, right?
1555
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.280
Because my word of my business was spread and word of mouth.
1556
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.280
I had relationships.
1557
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.280
All of a sudden, I'm not seeing the people I normally see.
1558
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:43.280
Right.
1559
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.280
And so, and I wasn't on the, I wasn't on,
1560
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.280
I have a family.
1561
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:47.280
I have three kids.
1562
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.280
I don't have time to post and brag about everything
1563
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.280
doing all the time.
1564
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.280
People knew I did good work.
1565
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.280
I did work for them.
1566
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.280
And it worked.
1567
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.280
And then all of a sudden, they're like,
1568
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.280
everyone, you must be online.
1569
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.280
All of a sudden, you just have streams.
1570
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.280
Now, your whole experience is just this.
1571
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.280
Thanks.
1572
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.280
Let's go and pass your face.
1573
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:05.280
It's overwhelming.
1574
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:06.280
Vlogs.
1575
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.280
No one can be outside.
1576
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:08.280
Now we're making videos.
1577
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.280
We all were just drenched in it.
1578
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:11.280
Yeah.
1579
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.280
And so, when I came out of that,
1580
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:13.280
I had a failed business.
1581
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.280
And guess what I have to do now?
1582
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.280
I have to make fucking content.
1583
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:20.280
Well, because that is what I'm required to do.
1584
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.280
And I'm finally just giving into it.
1585
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:24.280
Yeah.
1586
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:25.280
You're like, you know what?
1587
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.280
I don't know what else to do.
1588
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:27.280
But you want me to have a successful agency,
1589
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:28.280
so we can all work.
1590
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:29.280
It's the only way to do it.
1591
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.280
Yeah.
1592
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.280
If this is the way, this is the way I have to go.
1593
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:33.280
Yeah.
1594
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:34.280
I am yielding.
1595
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:35.280
I'm crumbling.
1596
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.280
I would not do this if I didn't have to.
1597
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.280
Well, be prepared.
1598
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.280
There's another pandemic on the rise.
1599
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:41.280
Yeah.
1600
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.280
What?
1601
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:43.280
No.
1602
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.280
What is it?
1603
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:45.280
Antivirus.
1604
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:46.280
Seriously?
1605
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:47.280
I mean, it's just like a few people,
1606
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:48.280
but like 150 had it?
1607
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:49.280
One was in North Carolina resident.
1608
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:50.280
What?
1609
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:51.280
No way.
1610
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.280
But they were away.
1611
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:53.280
They weren't here.
1612
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.280
No, they weren't here.
1613
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:55.280
They weren't in cruise.
1614
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:56.280
Not to spark any rumors.
1615
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.280
I'm just saying, use all that that you learned
1616
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.280
because we may be under it again.
1617
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.280
Oh, man.
1618
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:01.280
Last thing for me.
1619
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:02.280
Yes.
1620
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:03.280
Last thing for me.
1621
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:04.280
Oh my god.
1622
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.280
I would take advice though.
1623
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:07.280
Yeah.
1624
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.280
Like you predicted something.
1625
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:11.280
And then, we all come back to it.
1626
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:12.280
Oh, oh my gosh.
1627
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:13.280
Don't, not to be proud of.
1628
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.280
We don't need another pandemic.
1629
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.560
I love, I'm seeing it clearly now.
1630
00:56:19.560 --> 00:56:23.920
Tim as the anti-blogger, yeah, anti-blogger.
1631
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.120
He stands against, but it stands for,
1632
00:56:27.120 --> 00:56:29.280
but he's like within the system.
1633
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.600
Like, how do I break the system?
1634
00:56:30.600 --> 00:56:32.400
And you see my vlog, I guess I'm all broken.
1635
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:33.400
It's not good.
1636
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:34.800
No one watches it.
1637
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:35.640
Tell him what it is.
1638
00:56:35.640 --> 00:56:36.640
I don't watch it.
1639
00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:37.800
I watch it.
1640
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:38.640
Tell him what it is.
1641
00:56:38.640 --> 00:56:39.480
I do watch it.
1642
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:40.320
I do watch it.
1643
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:41.560
So that means enough.
1644
00:56:41.560 --> 00:56:42.400
I don't.
1645
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:43.400
It's long, it's like 10 to 15 minutes.
1646
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:44.640
I love how the LinkedIn,
1647
00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:45.480
and I'll tell you what,
1648
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.280
they got little games that you can play every day.
1649
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:50.400
I play my four or five little games.
1650
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.560
I get it and I get out.
1651
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.840
You know, I think that because we become so forced
1652
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.200
into the online and on screens world
1653
00:57:04.200 --> 00:57:06.480
that the new commodity is,
1654
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.080
and we've talked about this on other shows,
1655
00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:09.320
it's human connection.
1656
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.560
It's like being in human connection.
1657
00:57:13.560 --> 00:57:15.600
And I think, and in physical spaces,
1658
00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:17.840
I think it's going to seriously be in physical spaces.
1659
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.320
Being in spaces where we are actually
1660
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:21.760
seeing each other face to face,
1661
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:27.280
I think is very important to our mental health.
1662
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.080
I think it's not healthy for people to go for so long
1663
00:57:31.080 --> 00:57:33.280
without connection to other people.
1664
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:38.880
Like, I remember, I mean, there are times years ago
1665
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.000
where we were all just sort of on social media
1666
00:57:42.120 --> 00:57:45.480
and it's when social media was really started to like rise up.
1667
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:46.720
Like a Tumblr filter.
1668
00:57:46.720 --> 00:57:49.200
Yeah, Tumblr, all that.
1669
00:57:49.200 --> 00:57:52.000
I would actually go to the grocery store.
1670
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.320
We used to have this where Whole Foods is now
1671
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.640
on Miami called Green Life is low.
1672
00:57:56.640 --> 00:57:58.920
I would go there just to,
1673
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:00.680
cause I knew everybody in town,
1674
00:58:00.680 --> 00:58:02.440
so I knew I would go there and see at least three
1675
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.560
or four people that I could connect with.
1676
00:58:04.560 --> 00:58:07.680
I would, and because I worked from home by myself,
1677
00:58:07.680 --> 00:58:09.840
like I've been a solo per newer for 25 years.
1678
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.840
So I was always in my office by myself all the time
1679
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.040
and I would get this urge to like,
1680
00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:20.040
I could just go to the refrigerator and get what I need it.
1681
00:58:20.120 --> 00:58:22.360
But I'm like, I'm gonna go to the store
1682
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.160
because I feel a need for community,
1683
00:58:25.160 --> 00:58:28.840
for connection, for real conversations in person.
1684
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.120
And I would literally go to the store and stay there
1685
00:58:31.120 --> 00:58:32.360
for like two or three hours
1686
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.200
cause I would run into so many people.
1687
00:58:34.200 --> 00:58:37.920
And it'd be one conversation after, who does that?
1688
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.800
I think it's because I desperately need it
1689
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.200
to see people in person.
1690
00:58:44.200 --> 00:58:47.640
I don't do well with just getting tucked away in an office
1691
00:58:47.640 --> 00:58:51.520
and viewing the world through a little seven inch screen.
1692
00:58:51.520 --> 00:58:53.480
I think it limits your sense of possibility too.
1693
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.480
There's something about like when you're together
1694
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:58.640
with people, the real stuff gets really real
1695
00:58:58.640 --> 00:59:00.240
and you're like, oh, we could figure this out.
1696
00:59:00.240 --> 00:59:02.520
Like between us, everything's fine.
1697
00:59:02.520 --> 00:59:05.200
We'll make the rest okay, but when you're,
1698
00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:06.920
I don't know, there's something about transacting
1699
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.480
with people in the little box all the time.
1700
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.240
And I sometimes, I've had friends
1701
00:59:11.240 --> 00:59:12.720
that I really struggle to keep up with
1702
00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:15.400
cause it's like the only way I can get to you
1703
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.160
is through the little work box
1704
00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:19.560
that I have to spend all my time working on.
1705
00:59:19.560 --> 00:59:22.920
So yeah, I think that in person is valuable.
1706
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.040
And where we get that, like as a culture,
1707
00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:25.880
I think we get that.
1708
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.160
We're figuring out how to use digital versus in person.
1709
00:59:30.160 --> 00:59:31.000
The box.
1710
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:31.840
Yeah.
1711
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.000
The box.
1712
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:35.840
Anybody want?
1713
00:59:36.120 --> 00:59:38.280
Sometimes I just want to make a really niche
1714
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.640
weird reference and I'm like, nobody in this room
1715
00:59:40.640 --> 00:59:42.480
is going to get it, but it's just made me think
1716
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.280
of what we do in the shadows.
1717
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:45.480
Peace.
1718
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:46.880
So the box.
1719
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:47.720
Anyway, go ahead.
1720
00:59:47.720 --> 00:59:49.040
Which is fine.
1721
00:59:49.040 --> 00:59:50.040
It's fine.
1722
00:59:50.040 --> 00:59:51.880
It's nobody cares.
1723
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:53.200
It's below our age grade.
1724
00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:54.200
Yeah.
1725
00:59:54.200 --> 00:59:55.680
That was just for Jake.
1726
00:59:55.680 --> 00:59:57.360
Let's see who's showing your age
1727
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.120
cause you're too old and you don't get the rest.
1728
00:59:59.120 --> 00:59:59.960
Yeah.
1729
00:59:59.960 --> 01:00:01.400
Yeah, I get us out of here too.
1730
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.800
I love a god.
1731
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.520
I think that it was, I think it's a conversation
1732
01:00:07.520 --> 01:00:09.440
that is messy.
1733
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.760
And as far as it relates to business,
1734
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.680
there have always been ads and performances.
1735
01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:16.080
And I'm totally okay with that.
1736
01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:19.600
I feel like the place for the performance,
1737
01:00:19.600 --> 01:00:22.160
like going to see a play watching the perform,
1738
01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:24.360
I'm not going to gripe about someone performing.
1739
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.000
And there are people that do it for no money
1740
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.520
because it's exhilarating and it's an art form.
1741
01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:31.120
And there are artists all over the place doing it
1742
01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:31.920
for no money.
1743
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:37.200
So if from a business context in the work we do,
1744
01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:39.720
making videos have no problem with that.
1745
01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:40.800
And I don't want anyone to think
1746
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:43.000
that it's like I'm against content creation
1747
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.080
cause I'm definitely not at all.
1748
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.480
Because there is a realm of presentation
1749
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.160
and entertainment and there's all the things
1750
01:00:55.160 --> 01:00:56.160
that I love.
1751
01:00:56.160 --> 01:00:57.920
I grew up watching movies with my dad
1752
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.800
and I love watching movies and I love that medium.
1753
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:07.440
I guess what I want to be clear is that
1754
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.440
I feel the pressures that are currently on our culture
1755
01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:17.560
and that are moving within the social framework,
1756
01:01:17.560 --> 01:01:21.440
the social network, the fabric of our society.
1757
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.000
And I see the ones being pushed aside.
1758
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.560
And I myself feel like I've been pushed aside.
1759
01:01:28.560 --> 01:01:30.280
And I don't feel like I deserve that
1760
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.360
just because there's a platform
1761
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.480
that some guy thought of that he thought was a good idea
1762
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.160
and then duped everyone into having to post on it all the time.
1763
01:01:39.160 --> 01:01:41.200
And not only that, but then have to figure out the trickery
1764
01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:43.400
of how they're going to change the algorithm every few days.
1765
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:44.280
Yeah, nice.
1766
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.280
So I don't like the game that is that manipulative thing.
1767
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.360
I like the game of business.
1768
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.120
I like the game of performance and art and creative.
1769
01:01:54.120 --> 01:01:55.720
And it's not easy.
1770
01:01:55.720 --> 01:01:57.560
And I wish someone, if someone tells a kid
1771
01:01:57.560 --> 01:02:00.000
that wants to be a content creator, it's going to be hard.
1772
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.480
And he's like, yeah, I want to do some hard things.
1773
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:04.920
I'm like, do the thing, make the video.
1774
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.960
Do the hard thing that's if you want to do it, do it.
1775
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.760
But to say you have to make videos and they're easy
1776
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:13.920
and then duped them into a life of suffering
1777
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:18.920
and some even get some think they want to need it
1778
01:02:19.720 --> 01:02:21.280
because that's what we're being told.
1779
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:22.880
And it's heavy for them.
1780
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.800
It destroys them.
1781
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.480
That level of fame and attention.
1782
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.040
What if there was a mode
1783
01:02:32.040 --> 01:02:35.160
on all the social media platforms
1784
01:02:35.160 --> 01:02:37.960
where you could actually turn off the algorithm?
1785
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.120
You could have the curated algorithm experience
1786
01:02:41.120 --> 01:02:46.600
where it's feeding you the stuff that you want or you could say,
1787
01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:49.560
you know what, surprise me, I don't want to be curated.
1788
01:02:49.560 --> 01:02:52.160
I just want to turn off the algorithm
1789
01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:56.920
and just go on there and find whatever the fuck I want to find.
1790
01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.760
That would be awesome.
1791
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.280
I would be interested also about this is in the works
1792
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:02.800
in like a local mode.
1793
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.680
Or it's like, I just want to see what people
1794
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:07.720
within a 50 mile radius of me.
1795
01:03:07.720 --> 01:03:09.560
Yeah, that would be great.
1796
01:03:09.560 --> 01:03:12.520
What if there was a, yeah, so that would be a really good way
1797
01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:15.640
for social media to like make social media more accessible
1798
01:03:15.640 --> 01:03:21.920
because I do agree with you the people who are desperately trying
1799
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.200
to be seen and having a fight and shift with the algorithm
1800
01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:29.640
all the time and I could see that driving some people insane.
1801
01:03:29.640 --> 01:03:32.640
Like trying to like, oh my god, this was perfect.
1802
01:03:32.640 --> 01:03:34.360
I did everything it said I should do
1803
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:35.640
and nobody's seeing it.
1804
01:03:35.640 --> 01:03:37.560
Like that would be really soul crushing.
1805
01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:38.560
There's no justice center.
1806
01:03:38.560 --> 01:03:40.560
Yeah, but if you could just,
1807
01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:43.560
if you could have a whole, I bet you a ton of people
1808
01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:46.480
would turn off the algorithm because there's content
1809
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.960
they're not seeing because they're being force fed
1810
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.240
whatever you used to be able to see things from your friends.
1811
01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:53.400
Yeah, right, very easy.
1812
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.960
I think if there's so many friends that I run into,
1813
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.480
I'm like, I forgot about this person
1814
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.800
because I no longer see them on social media
1815
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.040
because the algorithm was like,
1816
01:04:03.040 --> 01:04:04.960
well, they're not posting this stuff you want to see.
1817
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.800
So now all of a sudden, they're not in my,
1818
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:09.520
the way that I actually kind of keep,
1819
01:04:09.520 --> 01:04:12.000
or they don't post because it's not their medium.
1820
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.400
No, but the thing that is is like what he's saying is,
1821
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.480
in not posting, they disappear from the memory.
1822
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.720
They are posting, but that's the thing.
1823
01:04:19.720 --> 01:04:20.560
Oh, you're not even seeing it.
1824
01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:22.360
I'll run into someone and I'm like,
1825
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.200
shit, man, you're not posting on Facebook anymore.
1826
01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:26.480
I haven't seen any of them.
1827
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:27.600
Oh, I post all the time.
1828
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I'm like, that's weird.
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And I go and look at it.
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Wow, he's been posting.
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They just for whatever reason.
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I was like, these other people,
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we think you should be more connected with than that person.
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We've decided for you that this person
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isn't posting things that interest you
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or that you should be interested in.
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So we're not going to show them to you.
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I've had several friends just drop off my radar
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because I used to see them all the time
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and I used to engage with their posts.
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And then all of a sudden, they're just like gone.
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01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:56.760
And that's the kind of stuff
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that that is the social media people playing guides.
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01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:03.040
And I think that is where the line gets crossed.
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If you could go in and have an algorithmless experience,
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I think a lot of people might choose that path.
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01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:12.360
I'm gonna say a lot of people may still prefer
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to just stay in their echo chamber
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and get what social media guides think they want.
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But I think a lot of people might choose
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to just be able to navigate the world
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like you do in real life.
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You walk out the street
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and you don't know where you're going.
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You're gonna stumble upon whatever you stumble upon.
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Nobody's putting shops in front of you.
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That's, I guess I was born in an era when you had a job.
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And that was your job.
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And you didn't have to do three other jobs
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to make that job work.
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Right.
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100%.
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01:05:44.600 --> 01:05:47.680
You know, like Andy from Big C,
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I was seeing her videos in LinkedIn.
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She's like, yeah, I have to do those.
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Right.
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Because that's expected.
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It's required.
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Right.
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And I think that it's so fucking annoying to me
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that we can't have a job and then have a life.
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We have to have a job.
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And then we have to do this other job.
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Performing a job works.
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Just to make the job work.
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01:06:06.120 --> 01:06:06.960
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Especially in your creative industry, like you said.
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Right.
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It's a thing.
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01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:12.080
Yeah.
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01:06:12.080 --> 01:06:12.920
And so it got me all around that.
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01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.440
I'm sorry if I was too passionate or it just came off.
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01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:17.280
No, sorry.
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01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:19.480
You got to let you when you get really heated.
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Because I enjoy it.
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It's a good time.
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01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:23.240
I think that's hope.
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01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:23.760
Yeah.
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01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:29.280
I already know what my favorite part was anyway.
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01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.760
Was yours the little vein in his forehead?
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01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:33.600
It's probably a good lighting.
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01:06:33.600 --> 01:06:34.600
That's gonna be mine.
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01:06:34.600 --> 01:06:35.600
It's gonna be mine.
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It's gonna be mine.
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OK.
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01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.720
I would not want you any other way too.
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Yeah.
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I want to come to a good place, though,
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with you guys in this.
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You're in a good place with us.
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You got to come to a good place with them.
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I'm fine.
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01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:48.240
Yeah.
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I caused Dylan to walk off stage.
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01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:54.240
Do you see how much older he's all thrilled now?
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01:06:54.240 --> 01:06:55.920
This is how I'm like, you should be with me on the couch.
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01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:01.360
Now I know she's powering over in the corner.
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01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:03.560
That's hilarious.
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01:07:03.560 --> 01:07:06.080
I can't wait to watch this to see her body language.
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01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:07.920
We didn't get really into it.
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And we all got really at first.
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Y'all were like, I'm totally disconnected from this topic.
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I don't even care.
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I'm like, they would have really touched you.
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01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.640
I feel like I'm the only one who actually watches these.
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01:07:18.640 --> 01:07:21.840
And then we talked over her the whole episode.
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I thought it was funny.
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01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:24.200
I was like, I'm a product of the vlog.
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And then Tim's like, yeah, the vlog's fucking stupid.
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01:07:26.240 --> 01:07:28.480
That was like, the vlog.
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Not like a jam.
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01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:31.640
Yeah, I was like, a vlog.
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01:07:31.640 --> 01:07:32.920
Maybe I should reframe this.
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01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:34.200
The vlog is stupid.
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01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:36.640
The pressure to vlog to everyone is stupid.
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Sure.
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01:07:37.640 --> 01:07:39.840
That's a really fair.
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01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.360
We did put you in a pressure cooker.
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01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.920
We're basically we're performing a vlog in some way.
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And this was in many ways.
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Like, we're excited to make it.
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We've made it into something that I think we're excited to do each week.
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But it was out of necessity.
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01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.040
And like, there's probably a little bit of baggage in that.
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01:07:59.040 --> 01:08:03.720
We put you inside the terrarium and said, you have to be inside this terrarium.
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The InstaPot.
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01:08:04.520 --> 01:08:05.520
Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, we had it after the hurricane.
1940
01:08:10.160 --> 01:08:13.520
Our agency got some help to rebuild.
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01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:20.880
And Reggie and I did a lot of research into how we could build back after the devastation
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01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:27.200
and after meeting with many different growth specialists or marketing specialists or
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01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:28.560
all these things.
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It was like, no, you have to make content.
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That's your choice.
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01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:33.840
You either make content.
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Do well.
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Don't make content.
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And be forgotten.
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01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:41.320
And there's a little way of making content and still nobody knowing anything about
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it.
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01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:45.600
We're just kind of comfy in some way.
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01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.040
And I would say anyone watching this video, but you're not making the right content, I
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01:08:49.040 --> 01:08:50.040
agree with you.
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01:08:50.040 --> 01:08:52.960
It isn't the right content, but I do feel in my gut.
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01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:56.200
This is the kind of content that is scarce in the world.
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01:08:56.200 --> 01:09:06.360
I think that right now we're having a very over edited AI generated influx of marketed,
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01:09:06.360 --> 01:09:07.560
monetized content.
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01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:13.520
And there's not a lot of time for someone to open up and be there weird plain selves or
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01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:21.440
get heated or I just so in doing it the wrong way, we're following our instincts on what
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01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:26.640
it is that makes this experience interesting and who out there connects to this experience.
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01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:27.640
And I do that.
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01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:32.880
I've said this many times, like we waffle between like, is it marketing or is this a product
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01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:35.120
that we're making or is this art?
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01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:37.640
We haven't really made up our mind yet.
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01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:42.280
I think sometimes we do that absolutely backwards thing just because it feels like what
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01:09:42.280 --> 01:09:44.480
needs to be expressed.
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01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:50.440
I think the audience that we hopefully attract will make that decision for us.
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01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:51.440
Yeah.
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Right.
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01:09:52.440 --> 01:09:55.600
They say the audience, we don't get to choose the audience of this quality.
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01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:56.600
Yeah.
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01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:58.600
Based on what they're being fed by the algorithm.
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01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.600
Let's not open it at Tim.
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01:10:01.240 --> 01:10:04.000
You're going to put that last little little jab.
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01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.000
Yeah.
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01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:06.480
And in conclusion, fuck the man.
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01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:07.480
Am I right?
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01:10:07.480 --> 01:10:08.480
Yeah.
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01:10:08.480 --> 01:10:10.240
I couldn't set it better myself.
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01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:11.240
Yes.
1982
01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:12.240
I don't want the man.
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01:10:12.240 --> 01:10:14.840
Do you want anything you want to add to one?
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01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:16.520
Do you want to get heated about me getting heated?
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01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:17.520
I'm OK.
1986
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:20.320
I do not think you suck at all.
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01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:21.680
I think you're one of the coolest.
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01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:22.680
If anything, I wish.
1989
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:24.880
If you're feeling completely not, does not suck.
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01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:25.880
No.
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01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.880
And you would be very cool in a vlog, but I didn't, there's no pressure in the vlog.
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01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.880
It's OK.
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01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:40.360
Her inner office monologues, I think, are always compelling, and I would watch that.
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01:10:40.360 --> 01:10:45.200
So my, what if, is what if I wasn't so offended by vlogs?
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01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:46.400
No, the pressure to make a vlog.
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01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:49.320
What if I just made them, like you said, for fun?
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That's what I thought you were doing, babe.
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Just try that on.
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Just enjoy the process.
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01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.440
It's like he's being sculpted.
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01:10:57.440 --> 01:11:02.760
But if I just enjoyed it, I feel like there's going to be like a ransom note held up.
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01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:06.160
He's got the holding this side.
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01:11:06.160 --> 01:11:09.560
No, I enjoyed this episode.
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01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:15.080
I think that originally didn't sound interesting to me, as I said, but it is super interesting.
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01:11:15.080 --> 01:11:20.280
And as I'm digging through the thoughts with some pushback from you guys, I do see it
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01:11:20.280 --> 01:11:22.600
in a different way, and I appreciate that.
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01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:24.360
I see myself in a different way.
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01:11:25.360 --> 01:11:27.880
I think maybe it's the whole point of conversation.
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I'm so excited we made you host today, too.
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01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:32.120
I am, too.
2011
01:11:32.120 --> 01:11:33.120
I'm loving this.
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What is it, chances?
2013
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I'm sure there'll be other topics we pull out where we initially have that, like,
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uninterested response, and then because of the nature of our conversations and our generational
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lenses that we'll get pulled into it.
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01:11:47.400 --> 01:11:51.200
And we're like getting to know each other pretty well, so it's like, I actually think you
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do care of vlogs.
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You know what?
2019
01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.520
Maybe it was a false front because my wife's always like, well, what if you get really,
2020
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:01.520
she calls snarky.
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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:02.520
She calls me snarky.
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01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.520
I'm in a face.
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01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.520
And she says you're being snarky.
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01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:05.520
You can get snarky.
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01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:06.520
And I love it.
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01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:10.000
And she's like, but don't get snarky in a podcast, so I was like trying to hold my, I must
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have been subconsciously trying to hold myself back like, I'm not going to get snarky.
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Whatever.
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01:12:16.400 --> 01:12:17.400
Tim, you can get snarky.
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I got snarky, and I'm okay with it.
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01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:23.560
I feel like I worked my way through it.
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It was good for me.
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Was it good for you?
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01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:27.560
It was good for you.
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You?
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01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:29.560
Yeah.
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01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:30.560
Yeah.
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01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:31.560
No.
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01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:32.560
I had a great time.
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01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:33.560
Was it good for you, Will?
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01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:40.560
Well, thank you for joining us on this week's episode of Age.
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Hope you enjoyed it, and I hope you have a great day.
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And we, see you next time.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:49.840
Yeah.
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01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:50.840
I love that.
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How are you okay?
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01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:52.840
Yeah.
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Thanks for listening.
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This podcast was created and developed by our hosts.
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