FIVEAA Afternoons with Leith Forrest - 28 August 2026

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Speaker 1: Local, topical, fun.
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Speaker 2: This is Afternoons with Lee Forrest. Thank you very much, Mel. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome along to the show. We only say it once a year. I was going to say once a year, once a week. Let's stick with that. Happy Friday to you. It is five minutes after one on this 28th day of August. Look at this weather. 21 degrees. Sun is shining. I'm telling you, it's getting close to shorts weather. This live stream, though, maybe I'll have to crop it from the waist down. The old days of radio, you would never know. But I hope you're enjoying the sunshine, whatever you're doing. There is a bit going on, as Mel just mentioned. We've got the power outage. We'll try to speak to SA Power Networks as soon as we can. 479 people again out of power in the CBD, which is not ideal for businesses. Friday, lunchtime rush. I got a text from Monica saying that the coals there in the city, in the CBD... lost all their power. There were some rascals who were legging it out of the supermarket without paying, which is not ideal. A lot of food vendors too, a lot of smoke everywhere from the vendors because everything is just shut down. So we'll bring you the latest on that as we can. And as you just heard in our traffic segment too in news, there's a bit going on at Clovelly Park. Thank you, Christine, on the text who said the police have blocked off traffic Heading south on South Road from Dawes Road there at Clovelly Park. So traffic being diverted. So please, if it's not too late, avoid the area if you can. South Road, going south, Dawes Road, Clovelly Park. Avoid the area. 8223 0000 if you'd like to join me. It is your last chance this week on 5AA Afternoons to win a family pass to the Royal Show. We are just eight days away. Tomorrow week. is when it all kicks off, the 5th of September. So just by being part of the show via text or call, you are in the running for that. 8223 0000. On the show this afternoon, we're going to talk about death by drugs first up. Do you know that more people now die from accidental drug overdoses in this country than by road accidents? How sad and tragic is that when these deaths are preventable? We will discuss that in just one moment. We'll talk about some new markings that are quietly appearing on the roads of Australia. Some motorists are confused why. They are small circles that are painted next to the centre line on a winding road. What are they all about? Are they coming to Adelaide and South Australia? We'll find out when we speak to the RAA this afternoon. Jo Hildebrand will join us to talk all things federal politics. Big week with the Bush Summit on. Foodie Friday with a difference today. Chris Jarmer is an apology. He is a late out. But Sam Caffone, one of our great sponsors from Powerfield Airport Liquor Store, Sam will come in from Powerhouse and he will join us. And rather than talking food, we will talk all things liquor. So that's coming up this afternoon. We're going to catch up with Matt from Sportscard World in the mall again. Region Arcade there in the mall. So the last time we spoke to Matt, a teenager walks in to the store buys some basketball cards and pulls out a card that is now worth $ 160, 000 just by a packet of cards we have the CCTV footage of that so in our live stream after three o'clock today you'll be able to see the moment the young man pulls a card that's worth $ 160, 000 I said to Graham Goodings it's almost better odds than lotto now the sports card industry. So we'll speak to Matt about that. And last time we had a heap of calls for him that we weren't able to get through. So if you've got any question about this whole industry, how it works, what to do, Matt will join us after three o'clock. And we have a very special musical guest for you on this Friday to get you to the weekend. And we are delighted because they're playing tonight at the Gov. But Tanya Doko is going to drop by and say hello from the beloved band Bachelor Girl.
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Speaker 3: I got hit by a chair I'm falling in love.
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Speaker 4: Gonna make every hit wanna turn you're.
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Speaker 3: Finally gonna see me treat me good anytime you like show me some kindness if i look it right i'll keep me.
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Speaker 2: Good luck this afternoon. All of these songs will be in your head, as earworms tend to be, and we'll speak to Tanya later in the show. She'll also join us as part of the live stream. They've re-released the first album. Their debut album is 28 years old now, and they asked some friends to be on it, including a very well-known South Australian in Guy Sebastian, plus the likes of Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, Delta Goodrum, Jess Mowboy, and more. So a musical treat later with Tanya Dogo from Bachelor Girl. Most importantly, your calls are welcome, 8223 0000. We can text at any time, 044808 1395. First, let's talk about a sad issue and a tragic issue. Australian drug deaths have reached a tragic high. More people, as I mentioned, now die from accidental drug overdoses than from road accidents. The Pennington Institute's latest annual overdose report, which was released today, has revealed that 2,510 and 96 Australians died from overdoses in 2024, the vast majority of which were accidental. Senior Policy Officer and co-author of the report is Rhys Cohen. He joins me this afternoon. Thanks for your time, Rhys.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: These are tragic numbers, are they not? I mean, when you compare them to car accidents, that's far too many lives lost.
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Speaker 6: Extremely tragic. What's even more tragic when you compare these deaths to the national road toll is that The first time we had more drug-induced deaths than car accident deaths or road toll deaths was actually in 2008. And they've been diverging ever since. So in 2024, there was about 1,300 people died tragically in the roads and about 2,600 people dying of drug-related deaths. So it's an extraordinary gap.
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Speaker 2: Horrifying, Rhys, when all of us know someone in their 20s or their 30s or their 40s, drug-induced deaths is now the leading cause of death for Australians in that age bracket.
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Speaker 6: It's one of the leading causes of death. So for people in their 20s, it's the third leading cause of death after suicide and road accidents. And for people in their 30s and 40s, it's the second leading cause of death after suicide. So it's one of the big killers in Australia, especially of people in the prime of their life. And the really tragic thing is that almost all of these deaths are entirely preventable.
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Speaker 2: Is it one drug? Is it a number of drugs?
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Speaker 6: It's usually a combination of drugs. About 7 out of 10 times when someone dies of a drug-induced death in Australia, it involves more than one drug type. And the most common drugs to be involved in those deaths are opioids still, as well as benzodiazepines. But over the last several years, we've seen a really sharp and steady increase in amphetamines being involved in drug-induced deaths.
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Speaker 2: So I want to talk to you a little later about the prescription painkillers, if we can, when we talk about addiction. But I guess, too, the ones that we hear often when it comes to lesser drugs like heroin and cocaine and amphetamines. That's obviously a problem right across the country, Rhys.
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Speaker 6: It is a problem. And, you know, it's especially a problem for, I mean, all these deaths are a problem, of course. When we're talking about opioids, you mentioned, you know, prescription opioids and, you know, things like that. We haven't been seeing recent significant increases among those kinds of drugs, but tragically for heroin specifically, more people died of More people died of a drug-induced death involving heroin in 2024 than ever before since 2001 when we first started tracking this data. And heroin and illicit opioid use, it's actually one of the drugs that we have the best solutions for in terms of preventing fatal overdoses and treating people who have substance use disorders. We have really good evidence-based solutions to that challenge. They're just not available or accessible enough and people are dying as a result.
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Speaker 2: 2,596, Rhys. Think of the individuals. Think of the families and the communities that are all affected by this.
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Speaker 6: And that's every year, and it's going up.
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Speaker 7: It's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: Rhys Cohen is my guest from the Pennington Institute. The latest overdose report is out. So WA number one, Victoria number two, New South Wales the top three when it comes to the highest numbers of accidental overdoses in the country. Do you have figures for us from South Australia? Are you able to give us any information there?
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Speaker 6: I do. I believe that order that you just described was probably you were talking about the rate per capita. WA definitely has the most drug-induced deaths per capita of any jurisdiction in Australia. But just because New South Wales has more people in it, more people in New South Wales die of drug-induced deaths than other jurisdictions. In South Australia, there were 157 unintentional drug-induced deaths. So all drug-induced deaths include people who die by suicide or suicide. undetermined intent when it comes to drugs. We're talking about unintentional deaths. 157 South Australians died in 2024. That's an increase of nearly 50% from the year prior. So in 2023, 105 deaths were registered, 157 in 2024. And 2024 was the year that South Australia has had the highest number of deaths and also the highest rates per capita since at least 2001.
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Are you able to break that down? Is it a metro issue? Is it a regional issue or both?
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Speaker 6: It's both. So here's the interesting thing is that at the national level, at the overall level, Usually, it's regions that experience more drug-induced deaths per capita than the cities. Obviously, there's more people in the cities, so the numbers of deaths there tend to be larger. In South Australia, there's actually a higher rate and a higher number of deaths within Adelaide as opposed to outside of Adelaide, which is slightly different to the national average. And unlike the national average in South Australia, it's actually amphetamines that are more commonly involved in these deaths than opioids, very slightly. 39% of deaths involve amphetamines in South Australia in 2024 compared to about 35% for opioids.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do hear about the amphetamine issue in some of our towns and areas, obviously, which makes sense. Are the governments responding quickly enough, Rhys? Are they doing enough at all?
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Speaker 8: No, they're not.
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Speaker 6: They're not responding quickly enough and they're not doing enough at all. I think it's pretty clear that whatever governments are doing is not working. And given that more people continue to die every year, we really need the governments to take this more seriously and communities to take this more seriously.
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Speaker 2: Is it a simple case of just, in terms of response, can you reduce supply and demand? Is that as simple as that or is there just more problems to it?
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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting you mentioned supply-demand. So at the national level, we have this thing called the National Drug Strategy. It's a federal government sort of framework. And that's grounded in three pillars for reducing drug-related harms. There's supply reduction, demand reduction, and harm reduction. So supply reduction is, you know, police, courts, border force, you know, trying to prevent the supply of drugs. Demand reduction is... delaying or reducing the number of people who start using drugs or how early they start using drugs in their life. The third pillar is harm reduction, which is, well, given that people are using these drugs, how can we reduce the immediate harms that they are exposed to in their daily lives? And if you look at all of the funding around Australia, the vast majority of that goes to supply reduction. Most of the rest of it goes to demand reduction and less than 2% of funding goes to harm reduction. So that's things like needle syringe programs, drug checking services, providing and distributing access to the opioid overdose reversal drug naloxone. So harm reduction, these are evidence-based solutions. We know that they work. They provide extremely good value for money, and they're grossly underfunded.
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Speaker 2: See, that's the interesting thing, I think, Rhys, with prescription pain medication and when it comes to addiction to that. So most of us, I would think, and not all of us, but most of us have never seen nor know of anyone that's on heroin or cocaine or amphetamines. Maybe that's naive of me to say, but certainly in my life, that's something I've never seen or been a part of. But when it comes to prescription painkillers, you know, my dog was overdosed on fentanyl at one stage from a particular vet that put the patch on and, you know, we had to take it off, wash it, you know, make sure we got rid of it because it's all numbered, etc. The fact that some of these drugs, I guess, can get into people's hands, Rhys, that then addiction becomes an issue there.
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Speaker 6: It absolutely can. And I think the challenge with one of the benefits of prescription drugs is that we have really good systems in place to control who has access to them. You know, you mentioned that the patch that was put in your dog was numbered, you know, so we can track where these drugs come from. We know what's in them. We know how potent they are. We know that they're not contaminated with other things. And, you know, generally speaking, you get them through a qualified healthcare professional. The same is not true for heroin. You know, it's not true for methamphetamine. And when we choose not to put controls in place or do whatever we can to manage illicit drugs or just pretend that they're someone else's problem or that we don't have a responsibility to really address these problems as a community, that's when people die.
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Speaker 2: One of our text messages says the governments don't do enough. The social repercussions of meth are huge. They're too busy worrying about cigarette smokers. Have you got at the Institute there reforms that you would like to see governments to do, Rhys?
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Speaker 6: Well, the first thing that we need is a national overdose prevention strategy. We don't have any meaningful coordination between the Commonwealth and the states and territories when it comes to this issue. But, you know, substance use is not an easy solution to fix necessarily, right?
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Speaker 7: So.
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to come here and pretend that we have ready-made solutions that will immediately eliminate all drug-induced deaths. But my gosh, we've got to put more effort into figuring out solutions and we need better funding to save lives in the meantime.
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Speaker 2: One of our text messages, Tim says, I don't get it. How hard is it to follow if you take one tablet three times a day? Is there any education that needs to be done, Rhys, do you think, for doctors, for medical professionals, for patients? Are we a bit lax in that, that perhaps there is accidental overdoses here?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah. And, you know, deaths involving prescription drugs do happen, you know, and they happen at scale. And that's a challenge that we are perhaps better equipped to deal with than illicit drugs because we have pharmacists, we have medical doctors, they have colleges, they have boards, we have regulatory bodies that will look into a death and determine if it could have been prevented through, you know, better behavior by a pharmacist or a doctor or whatnot. So, you know, Yeah, the systems are there if we choose to use them. But prescription drugs do kill people. Illicit drugs tend to kill a lot more people in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So our final message is what, Rhys? What do you hope comes of this report from the Institute that governments take note of?
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Speaker 6: We want to raise awareness about this issue. I think many people are shocked to hear that the number of drug-induced deaths in Australia is nearly twice the road toll. But we publish this report every year. And every year it's similar, and every year people are surprised. So I would encourage people to think about this, talk about this issue with your friends and family, talk about it with your local MP, talk about it with your local pharmacist. And I think you'd be surprised if you start having conversations with people about drug use and drug harms, just how many people in your life, in your immediate life, in your vicinity, currently use drugs, either illicit or prescribed, and maybe aren't that aware of the risks that they're exposing themselves to.
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Speaker 2: It's a great point you raise. We see a lot of advertising, both on radio, in the print, on television. We drive around our freeways and we see billboards everywhere, Rhys, about road tolls. You don't see a lot about drug overdoses.
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Speaker 6: One last plug is one of the Pennington Institute, my organisation, we're the global conveners of International Overdose Awareness Day. That happens every year on August 31st. So that's this Monday in Australia. That's a day to commemorate those who've been lost and to raise awareness about drug-induced deaths. So go to overdaystay.com and check it out. We appreciate your contributions.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Rhys. We'll do something about it on the show on Monday. Appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you.
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Speaker 9: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Rhys Cohen is the policy officer and the co-author of the report from the Pennington Institute. How sad and tragic is that? Again, these are preventable deaths, many of them. 2,596 Australians... majority of which were accidental, died from overdoses in 2024. More people die from accidental drug overdoses than by road accidents. You might have a thought on the drug situation in society. 8223 0000 or send me a text. Back after this, it is 23 out of the 1.
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Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
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Speaker 2: 044808 1395. If you'd like to send a text, you can call at any stage, 8223 0000. Emily on the text said, I've lost many friends from overdoses, Leith, and nearly lost my own life. Narcan and similar life-saving measures should be freely available and given without judgment. Now, Trexone should be beyond the PBS. People should stop thinking it's something that happens to someone else. Everyone is one operation or life event away from addiction. It does not discriminate. Karen says, regarding drugs, I myself have never used drugs and never will, but I can't believe how readily available cocaine seems to be. It appears that many footballers can get access to it very easily. Yeah, I'm the same, Karen. So I haven't had it in my friends or family circle, but it does appear that way, doesn't it? Like you hear a lot of stories of this where people that might have some influence or money or power seem to be able to get their hands on it. So I'm not completely immune or unaware that that doesn't happen, but certainly I've never seen it in my late 40s years of life. This one from Jack says, don't forget that people who ingest or inject drugs are making an intentional and conscious choice to take drugs, therefore have to suffer the consequences. How can anyone say that most deaths were accidental? It's the opposite of an innocent victim losing their life on the road at the hands of another. Well, there is that element, Jack, you are right. But there is also the element of the accidentals. And a lot of those can be the prescription drugs. And again, the issue that we had, which was a really simple issue where one of our dogs had to have an operation. So they were given a painkiller at that time. The operation occurred and then they were given a fentanyl patch on the end of it. And when we came home after a period of time, our dog became a zombie. Like you see on those YouTube videos, you know, in cities and parts of America where people are walking around as living zombies. That was our dog. He was literally only moving his eyes. So we rang the appropriate vet. We asked about it and they said, oh, probably he's had too much fentanyl. Take the patch off, which was just on a part of his body, wash it off. And then within a period of time, he'll come to, which he did. The fentanyl patch itself has a number on it and a labeling on it. And then we had to remove that accordingly and take it to a specific place. Because you can imagine, if there are humans around that want to get a high, they will just stick that patch that's meant to be for a dog or an animal on themselves. And then there's a way you can chase that through. So I understand that accidental overdoses could occur. And yes, there are some that were not accidental. But I just think it's damning. When I saw the report from the Institute, and saw that more people die from drug overdoses than car accidents. And we know how prevalent and much we talk about that. Why are we not doing the same about the situation with the drugs? You can have your say. 8223 0000. It's 1.30. A lot of text messages coming through on the drug issue we just discussed. And as I just quickly skim, not a lot of compassion or sympathy there. We'll get to those after our next guest. If you'd like to join us, 8223 0000. But I was looking today online and saw that some strange circular markings are starting to appear on Australian roads. Now, the small circles are painted next to the centre line on winding roads. They're popping up around the country. It is part of a quiet road safety initiative. that is set to spread to other states, including South Australia. What are they? What does it mean? Matt Virtudes from the RAA joins us, Senior Traffic Engineer. Thanks for your time, Matt.
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Speaker 5: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 8: Good to be here.
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Speaker 2: I read that the new markings are called Perceptual Countermeasures, PCMs. Can you explain that to us?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 5: So Perceptual Countermeasures basically means they're aiming to alter a road user, in this case a motorcyclist, alter their perception of of the road and of the approaching curve here, which encourages them to take a safer line through the corner. So the trial, as you touched on, uses white circles on the inside of the curve and some solid semicircles on the outside of the curve, which guide them through the corner into a bit of a start wide, finish tight cornering technique. But importantly, aiming to keep them further away from the centre line of the road, where we know often as a motorcycle, whilst their wheels might be on one side of the road, as they lean around the corner, they can actually cross into oncoming traffic, which does have pretty serious consequences should vehicles be coming in the other direction.
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Speaker 2: So, Matt, these markings are appearing right now in Victoria, the first step in a nationwide trial. You'll expect that we'll see those on Adelaide Road soon?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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Speaker 5: The trial, I believe, has already started in a number of states, so Victoria, Queensland, New South Wales and Tasmania. My understanding is that it's not being used in South Australia yet, but it's certainly something that we'd be looking at. And should we see some success in these trials and see some genuine improvements to safety, we'd certainly welcome some trials here to see how it works in a South Australian context.
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Speaker 2: So I don't ride a bike, Matt, and to be honest, when I'm driving, I don't see a lot of motorcyclists where I live. Is the issue that they say roads that bend to the right can be really dangerous for a motorcyclist because you're too close to the centre line, particularly your upper body?
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Speaker 5: Yes, no, that's right. And it can be curves in both directions and especially what we might call substandard curves. So what I mean by that is... curves where the radius of that curve changes throughout the curve so it might start off as a fairly wide higher speed curve but tighten up or vice versa or sometimes we'll have a broken back curve where you've got two curves with a small length of straight road in between and in those situations especially for a rider that's unfamiliar with the road or a novice still learning it's easier to make a mistake so So these sort of line markings, the intention, should the trials be successful, wouldn't be to roll them out on every corner through the hills, for example, but in spots where there is an elevated risk and potentially where there is data that shows that as well.
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Speaker 2: So there would be an issue, Matt, I guess, if the cyclist is going and they're too close to the centre line with their upper body. That's obviously not just an issue for the cyclist, is it? It's the fact that the car coming on thinking, gee, they're right in the middle of the road, they then swerve to avoid and we know some of our roads through the hills are pretty tight. So both lanes are in drama there.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: So it's certainly a concern, especially on the narrower hills roads and mountainous-type terrain where you don't have that margin for error or much of a shoulder or anything to avoid a crash either. Often you have trees or embankments and the like. So, you know, it is, you know, well... practiced riders that have been riding for many years know to keep a little bit of distance from that center line when they're curving. But it can be one, especially when you do come across these substandard curves and you're on a road that you might not usually ride on, where ultimately it's human nature to make a mistake. And we don't want a mistake, sometimes a very simple, easy to make mistake, to have serious consequences like someone being seriously hurt or even worse in a crash.
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Speaker 2: Are their PCMs now, Matt, these perceptual countermeasures for vehicles on the road? Are we already seeing some sense of that without maybe realising what they are?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: There's probably the most significant one in South Australia recently. We've seen what they've called 3D dragon's teeth. So some of those have been installed in McGill, in Henley Beach, Prospect Road as well. And those are, in a similar way... They're triangles painted on the road before a low-speed environment, somewhere where you might expect higher number of pedestrians and even cyclists to be using the road, either crossing the road or next to the road. And that gives a bit of a perception to drivers that the road is narrowing, which even without putting in signs and different infrastructure can cause people to naturally just reduce their speed a little bit. And sometimes, you know, it's only a couple of kilometers an hour that can make a difference between, you know, life and death or a crash not occurring and occurring. So even a small difference can make a big difference when it comes to safety.
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Speaker 2: Matt Virgides is my guest, Senior Traffic Engineer for the RAA as we discuss what's happening when it comes to motorcycles around the country and whether that comes into play. Australia soon. Do we have, from your knowledge and experience, Matt, at the moment, do we have issues when it comes to safety for motorcyclists in this city, in this state? Are the riders behaving? Are the vehicles behaving to the riders?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, it is a bit.
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Speaker 5: Of a combination of both things. We know every motorcyclist and every driver, likewise, we make mistakes. And Across the country, vulnerable road users, motorcyclists fit within that category, don't have the same level of protection as someone in a car or a truck or protected by the vehicle and the safety features there. So we know this year alone, we've seen 14 motorcyclists lose their lives in South Australia on the roads and In six of those, a car or truck was involved, whilst the majority of the others were single-rider crashes where no other driver was involved. So that's the type of crash that these types of measures can also treat whilst we're talking potentially... leaning over the center line but also through just a misjudgment in a curve as well these hoping to to change those patterns and there was an initial trial before this was rolled out into other states in Queensland which did show some improvement in in motorcyclists positioning.
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Speaker 8: Within the lanes.
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Speaker 2: I read that motorcyclists sometimes will avoid riding on road markings which I guess makes sense even if they're grip or non-slip I guess this is another great thing is it Not, Matt, that if it comes in, it will change those behaviours that you're talking about, get people riding on the right line.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: So, motorcyclists will typically avoid riding on lines when they can, especially while cornering.
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Speaker 8: It can.
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Speaker 5: become so crazy. Markings do have glass beads poured into the paint, which both gives friction and adds a bit of reflection when riding at night. So the main deterrent there is whilst riding over them.
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Speaker 5: Should not present this additional safety risk. The perception to guide riders, that extra half a metre across in the lane away from that oncoming traffic.
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Speaker 2: So I guess we wait for the data now. We see what happens. If there is an improvement in safety on our roads, maybe that's something we'll see here in South Australia very soon, Matt.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Once the evaluation is complete, we'd love to see the results shared and we'll certainly be keeping our eyes on this and If they do stack up, it's a potential treatment in a range of treatments that can target motorcyclists and improve safety because it is an area in road safety generally where, as I said, they're vulnerable road users and it can be difficult to put in infrastructure that does keep them safe in the event of a crash.
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Speaker 2: Well done. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate your insight this afternoon. Enjoy your weekend.
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Speaker 8: Oh, you're welcome. You too.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Matt Virtuadez is the Senior Traffic Engineer for the RAA, so that's interesting. You might see very soon, should it work well in other states, coming to South Australia, small circles near the centre line on a winding road, part of the Quiet Road Safety Initiative that will spread to the other states. Perceptual countermeasures, they're called, perceptual countermeasures, PCMs encouraging motorcyclists to ride towards the centre of their lane. Not being a bike person myself, nor really having a lot of experience because I don't go up the hills that often, What is it like in Adelaide and the Adelaide Hills in South Australia? If you are someone who owns a motorbike, I would love to hear from you, from your point of view. If you are someone who drives in an area and you are always around people on their motorbikes, what is it like? Is this something that are needed? Are you quite often getting to those points where the bike going past you or the car going past you is too close to the centre lane and it could become a dangerous situation? Would love to know your thoughts. 8223 0000 or send me a text. A lot of people want to have their say on the drug issue on the text. As I said, not a lot of sympathy. Adam says we're soft when it comes to drugs in this country. We should be more like Singapore. Nathan said if you make your bed, you're laying it. That's my late mother saying no government funding. Leith, you'd be surprised who in the higher up circles are functional addicted users. I think you'll find the level of alcohol use among youngsters is down because of the cheap and easy access to illicit street drugs. I have heard that. I've heard that also alcohol puts on a lot more weight. So younger people will choose to do illicit drugs over that. It can flush out of the system in 24, 48, 72 hours, something like that. So I think you're right. And, yes, I've spoken to people before in policing, higher-ups, who say that there's a lot of people who they would be the last person that you expect. And it's not that they're doing it to completely wipe themselves out. They just do it to get through the day. So it's obviously a big societal issue. Drugs, just staggering that more people die of overdoses now than Roto. 8223 0000, if you'd like to have your say. Amber from North Haven, hello.
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Speaker 8: Hello.
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Speaker 6: Oh, hi.
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Speaker 10: This is a great topic. Of course, deaths on bikes and drugs, sadly, a lot of it's related. I think the idea about the circles and all that is a great idea. The only problem is a lot of these accidents happen when these guys are high on ice or alcohol for either or both or whatever, and then they're going to see yellow circles everywhere. So, you know, something on the road to protect them, I don't think is going to help. Having lived in the Dandenong Ranges years ago, that road, the Mount Dandenong tourist road from Upper Ferntree Gully up to Alinda, It's fine if you go slow, which most people do, but then you get the idiots on the bikes. And there were so many accidents because they just, if you look at it on a map, you see, it's probably one of the most dangerous roads. And to the fact that near where I worked, there was a house on a bend and he had so many people smashed through his fence. He actually put up bricks. like a brick wall, just to save his house and his family.
00:34:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, wow.
00:34:40
Speaker 2: Try and encourage them to slow down too, I guess, when it comes to that, Amber. That is the issue. I think speed is a major issue. There's also a comfortability of people, I would think, particularly in country roads where people ride them all the time so they know all you need is someone to be coming the wrong way or you take a corner too wide and then you come into some issues. Len has a great text on your point, Amber, and thank you for the call where he says, police motorcyclists don't have accidents. The message is, if you don't drink and you stick to the speed limit and you obey the rules, you will probably be okay. Amber, thank you for that. Thank you, Len, for your text. Robert, hello in Seton.
00:35:17
Speaker 1: Hello, Lee.
00:35:18
Speaker 2: Namaste, my friend. You too.
00:35:20
Speaker 8: My heart's broken.
00:35:21
Speaker 11: All my Buddhist and Hindu brethren have an avalanche into Paul.
00:35:29
Speaker 2: It's horrific, isn't it? So what are we at now? The death toll is 469. 39 Australians. 100 people remain trapped in a tunnel. 1,400 people missing. And now they're talking, Robert, the fact that they might get a second flood within days.
00:35:43
Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
00:35:45
Speaker 8: I didn't know that.
00:35:46
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
00:35:47
Speaker 8: I'm willing up. It's just funny.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: Well, it's heartbreaking, isn't it? The fact that we said yesterday on the show it looked like AI. It's hard to believe that was actually reality when you see these people climbing through muds and the sheer speed of the water going through the cities and the towns.
00:36:04
Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
00:36:05
Speaker 6: Nature has a fury.
00:36:08
Speaker 2: It does. It does. And again, I guess they're going to try and work out what the reason and the cause for that was. They believe that there might have been a huge portion of ice there. one of the caps that broke off and then that fell in and that created the tsunami that then went the way through. There will be people in the audience who will say that it's climate change. There will be others in the audience who say that it's not. Park that argument, have that another day. But again, it's the sheer tragedy and the numbers, I think, Robert, that people are so shocked by. But yeah, I imagine a lot of people like yourself, their heart is aching and it's distressing, like it's distressing content to watch and to read about, to keep up to date with. But Right now, the official death toll is 469. And as I say, 1,400 people are still missing, including 39 Australians. Thank you for that. Penny Wong was on Sunrise Channel 7 today, had this to say.
00:37:04
Speaker 12: Three things. The first is to do everything we can to find the Australians. The second is to get more Australian officers into the region. So we've deployed additional officers. We've got about 20 people on the ground in Nepal. We're deploying additional teams to both help with consular services, that is helping Australians on the ground, but also to help with the humanitarian response. And the third thing is to provide assistance.
00:37:33
Speaker 2: So there's Penny Wong, our foreign minister, speaking on Channel 7 and Sunrise today. If you'd like to join us, 8223 0000, you can have your say, be it the drug issue that we started the show with today, earlier chat with Rhys Cohen, who is the senior policy officer and co-author of the Pennington Institute report about more people now dying from accidental drug overdoses than road accidents. Or you might like to talk about the issue of motorcyclists in Adelaide and South Australia. Again, would love to hear both sides, particularly those of you who ride bikes. We know there's always an issue in Adelaide and South Australia when it comes to cyclists. We know that particularly through the CBD, there are some areas where cyclists do the wrong thing and motorists do the wrong thing to people on a bike. Is it the same when it comes to your motorbike? Are people generally... forgiving and polite and courteous when it comes to that if you're someone who rides? Or is it much the same that the non-motorized bike riders are facing as well? You can join us and let us know your thoughts on that. 8223 0000, every call, every text in the running. Nice little incentive for you to be part of the show today. We've got four tickets to give away to the Royal Adelaide Show, which will start tomorrow week. Now, tickets are available for the show. You can go to theshow.com.au. You can buy your tickets at Drake Supermarkets or you can win them right here. And you can save $ 10 off your family midweek show ticket if you do buy them from Drake's Supermarkets. If you don't go to the show, you will be left with a serious case of show mo. And excitedly, we will be doing our show from the show as of the week just after the Open. So if you are going at any stage, the Monday to Friday, we look forward to seeing you there for 5AA Afternoons. That would be a lot of fun. Leanne says, Mother Nature's had a gutful of humanity and what we're doing with our planet. Unless we change big time, we can expect more disasters worldwide. Tim says, watching the floods in Nepal, hard not to believe that there are hundreds more buried and yet to be found. That's what I'm worried about, Tim, too. I think that number's going to rise significantly, which will be horrendous going forward. Mel Usher has the two o'clock news for us. Hope you can stay with us because Joe Hildebrand will join us on the other side. Lots to talk about in the world of federal politics. Our foodie Friday with a difference. Chris Jarmer's a late apologies, but Sam Caffone's going to be here, owner and director of Parafield Airport Liquor. So we look forward to hanging out with Sam and talking all things pals and alcohol. And as I say, if you're a fan of Bachelor Girl, one of the great Australian bands who are performing tonight at The Gov, we are delighted that Tanya Doko has been kind enough to come in on the day she's performing and she will join us here in 5AA Studios after three o'clock for the live stream.
00:40:35
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this Friday afternoon, four minutes after two. Anytime you'd like to get involved, you're welcome to do so. 8223 0000. 0448081395. The choice is yours. You can call or text. Every call and text in the running for a family pass to the Royal Show tomorrow week. We'll give that away just before four o'clock. Before we speak to Joe, Darren on the text on the issue of motorcycles says, you must ride like no one has seen you and your life is second to phone use. As for racing through the hills, given now some roads have grass growing through them and there's speed cameras in every second bush, The riders out there still getting a knee down in public. They can ride all by themselves. Darren, thank you for that. Joe Hildebrand joins us. You can read Joe's work in our News Corp papers. You can check him out online as well. Always lots to talk about in the world of federal politics. Lovely to have you on, Joe. Welcome.
00:41:32
Speaker 8: Great to be here, Leith. Man, I want to hang out with Darren.
00:41:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
00:41:36
Speaker 8: That sounds like fun.
00:41:37
Speaker 2: Well, we were just talking about the fact that.
00:41:39
Speaker 8: I'd like nobody to watch it.
00:41:40
Speaker 2: That's right. The new rules coming in with motorbike. Are you a bike rider yourself?
00:41:45
Speaker 8: No, look, I never leave the house these days, Lee. I'm far too famous. I simply can't afford to. But when I do, I actually.
00:41:54
Speaker 8: Look, I have spent some time on the sidelines owing to an unusual weighting in my right foot. But I choose to... I've traded in the Falcon for a nearly 25-year-old Land Cruiser V8.
00:42:06
Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
00:42:11
Speaker 8: It's a Lexus model that was badged as a Toyota to avoid the luxury car.
00:42:17
Speaker 2: Tax when it got imported.
00:42:19
Speaker 8: So it's already breaking, much like Darren, it's already trying to slip through the rules. And it was my mechanic's car. His whole family, the whole Greek extended family, had to come out on the street to farewell it when I bought it off him. and he converted it to LPG, so dual fuel, straight of home was no problem.
00:42:41
Speaker 13: Excellent.
00:42:42
Speaker 2: Stay close. You're set. I just sort of thought, though, with your issue with paparazzi being so famous, like a helmet, motorcycle style, might come in handy.
00:42:49
Speaker 8: Oh, that is handy. Yeah, well, I do wear a helmet while driving the Land Cruiser, which strangely provokes more interest than I thought it would.
00:42:58
Speaker 2: Super famous or daft punk, you just never know which one you're going to be. Hey, let me play you a bit of audio and we'll play a game. Is this Bush Summit or Adelaide Fringe?
00:43:07
Speaker 1: Well, what worries me is over-regulation. I wouldn't care.
00:43:13
Speaker 2: Is it Adelaide Fringe or is it Bush Summit, that reaction? You'd die in one of the Spiegel tents for that kind of laughter.
00:43:20
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. Unfortunately, I don't think Albo was trying to make a joke. Yeah, I've written about this for Tomorrow in the Tizer, Poor old Albert. Like, good on him for showing up, firstly. So this is the Bush summit. It's a massive initiative that all the News Corp mastheads have put on, pioneered by the Daily Telegraph. And basically, all and sundry come to listen to the concerns that people in the Bush have that are often ignored in the major cities. We forget, I think, Australia, we've got such an idea of ourselves as a kind of pioneering, outback, farming, you know, Akubra wearing, R.M. Williams wearing, sort of salt of the earth people. But we actually forget we're an incredibly urbanized country. The vast majority of us live in the cities and often people in the bush just don't get, they just don't get heard. People, you know, even with all the goodwill in the world, people in the cities just simply don't understand the realities and the concerns of living in the bush, be it anything from, you know, just even the telco. I mean, it's a huge one. But just being connected, just, you know, being able to make a phone call or hook up to the internet. Then you've got, you know, wind farms and transmission lines running through your backyard, often without your consent. So all these things rightly sort of putting a rocket up a lot of people in the bush. And Albo, to his great credit, playing an away game, knew he was going to get a rough reception, but rocked up, as he always does, and Yeah, so he was talking about exactly that and the issues with all the renewable energy schemes that are cutting through farms. And he also talked about over-regulation, as you heard in the clip, and saying he needed to address that. And the laughter, I think, is Jeff Kennett famously said, look, people might love me or people might hate me, but at least they're not laughing at me. And that is a kind of rule of thumb for any strongman leader or indeed any political leader. If people love you, no problem. If people fear you, no problem. They'll probably get out of your way. But if people are ridiculing you or laughing at you, then you've got a very big problem because they neither respect you nor are they scared of you. And so that means they're prepared to roll you, to do you in. And that, I think, is the worrying sound in that clip you just played. That is an electorate that simply does not take the PM seriously anymore, does not believe what he says. And again, that's a symptom of having broken, frankly, one too many promises, and especially a couple of big ones in the last budget, which has gone down like a bowl of cold sticks.
00:46:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's hard to fight back from, isn't it, where you think to yourself, okay, how do I fight my way back from that? We even had Angry Albo at the Bush Summit.
00:46:30
Speaker 14: What message do you have for people here whose lives and livelihoods are being upended and they can't understand why?
00:46:36
Speaker 1: That I get it.
00:46:38
Speaker 2: We need to do better than that. So it's coming from all fronts, isn't it?
00:46:46
Speaker 8: It really is, yeah. And again, that is another thing that I touched on. I still want people to go and buy the ties and read the columns. I'm giving it all away here. But yes, that is exactly what he needs to say. But because of the breach of faith in the last budget, he also needs to match what he says with deeds, not words. He needs to actually show rather than just tell. And so I think that's, going to be the big test for the government. I think they do need to do a really big reset. The fact that One Nation and the Coalition are tearing themselves apart is a lucky, lucky thing for Labor, but it is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, however much they think it. Quite frankly, they are lucky beyond belief that this is happening right now, when otherwise they would be in a world of pain. But pretty soon those same forces are going to come for the Labor Party as well. And already, again, can't say this enough, Already, One Nation is more popular among working-class voters than the Labor Party is. This is the first time in Australian history that Labor, the party of the working class, founded by and for, and initially of, believe it or not, working-class people, is now no longer the preferred party of the very people who it was founded by and for. So their whole core... is shifting, like the planet Krypton, and that did not end well.
00:48:17
Speaker 2: No, it did not. Let's talk about the other two parties that you just mentioned, because you think about the great rivalries like Rocky and Apollo Creed and Arlie and Frasier. And now, Matt Canavan, Pauline Hanson. I always work with the people that the Australian people elect.
00:48:31
Speaker 9: Just say yes, Matt.
00:48:35
Speaker 6: OK.
00:48:35
Speaker 1: Of course.
00:48:36
Speaker 14: Honestly, if you want.
00:48:37
Speaker 15: To get rid of.
00:48:37
Speaker 2: Hold on.
00:48:38
Speaker 5: If you want to.
00:48:39
Speaker 16: Get rid of the toxic Labor Greens government, OK? I'm not as bad as them, am I?
00:48:43
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:48:44
Speaker 2: Do you want to be in a coalition with us?
00:48:46
Speaker 13: Absolutely.
00:48:47
Speaker 2: I've always put the Nationals Party for four elections have put Labor below One Nation. All right, so there you go. Ringside.
00:48:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that was another one. I've got to say, and I'm going to declare my hand here, I love Matt Canavan. He is just whip smart. He is exactly what the Nationals need to combat One Nation. He is very different to One Nation, even though he can... He can push all the right buttons and appeal to people who are sick of politics as usual and who... are sceptical about climate change or climate action, I should say, which is one of his big bugbears. He's a massive fan of coal and traditional fossil fuel energy and that plays very, very well in the region since the National Party's base and Again, if they're going to sort of fight this rearguard action against One Nation, he is the man for the job. And I think you hear in that kind of exchange with Pauline Hanson where, I mean, she was a big favourite of the Bush Summit, don't get me wrong. People just love her and I think people just love to see her and they love to see her sort of sticking it to the man. But she doesn't really make a lot of sense when you listen to what she says. It just doesn't, like the words don't, you know, especially when she's under pressure, the words just don't actually string together. And Matt Canavan, on the other hand, you know, calls the cucumber, you know, calls it as he sees it, is able to stake out an argument, is able to stake out a policy. And, you know, and he is the guy. And it's a bit of poetic justice, of course, because he was the chief of staff to Barnaby Joyce. So they were kind of like the Batman and Robin of the sort of maverick nationals. who, you know, who sort of filled that role that One Nation is now filling, but within the coalition. So they were the kind of... They were the rebels. They were the ones who stuck up for the ordinary punters inside the party room when all the sort of politicians were, you know, talking in their bureaucratic doublespeak. They were the ones who sort of, you know, were the voice of... I don't know, the voice of the people.
00:51:03
Speaker 6: And.
00:51:04
Speaker 8: And now, of course, Barnaby's gone over to the other side and Matt Canavan is left sort of filling that role that Barnaby used to play, but doing it just so well, very articulately. And, yeah, so that was a big debate about whether or not the coalition would ever form another coalition with One Nation or whether they... And they just won't. And One Nation is a little bit like the, you know, the boy who keeps asking the girl to the dance. and the coalition keeps saying, no, no, no, we won't do a deal. And that sort of exposes, I think, despite all their strength in the polls, it's very sort of ephemeral. One Nation's, you know, yes, you can point to, you know, support in the high 20s or sometimes ticking above 30%, but that is very difficult to translate into... seats in the parliament where you don't have the party infrastructure, where you don't have the party discipline, where no one seems to know what the actual policies are. That's going to cause doubt in people when they actually step into the ballot box and say, all right, who do I actually want to be? The government, as opposed to lodging a protest vote. And it also has implications for, you know, just how you roll out a campaign in all 150 lower house seats.
00:52:30
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that. So Emily on the text says, I'm amazed that Pauline and the wider party are able to speak with no substance or deploy aggressive tactics, including into Matt Canavan. How are they getting away with this? This leads us into David Farley, the One Nation MP who was on ABC's Insiders and said this.
00:52:48
Speaker 15: And, you know, for me being a pastoralist, and that is you've got to clean up the flock. You've got to clean the herd up. We've got to find out who are these people, what skills have they got, And why are they here?
00:52:57
Speaker 17: Yeah, but it doesn't sound like effectively, if you're talking about a number of 220 or 30 or 40,000, is it that different to the government's objective here? I know they're not there yet, but they want to get it down to 225.
00:53:10
Speaker 15: I think the big difference is we're focusing on what are the skills we need as a nation? Where do we need these migrants to be?
00:53:16
Speaker 17: But the raw number, the raw number is not too different.
00:53:18
Speaker 15: The raw number is not too different, but the reality is where do we need them?
00:53:22
Speaker 2: The raw number is not too different, Joe.
00:53:25
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's amazing what just a few short words can do. And so that got David Farley into a world of pain, not for the first time. Remember his first vote in government, he accidentally voted for the wrong side because he wasn't sure what it was they were actually voting on. And that was, you know, okay, you know, rookie error. But now he's gotten into double trouble. You've got immigration, which is the number one issue by country mile for One Nation and the number one source of outrage or frustration among voters that they're trying to tap into and suddenly you've got their only elected lower house candidate not counting Barnaby but their only lower house candidate elected under the One Nation banner has just gone and said actually our immigration policy our immigration target is the same as the government like what the actual and so it gets better though so So he then gets, I think, a rather spicy phone call, as the kids would say, from Pauline Anson that day saying, actually, you are completely wrong. It is not the same as the government. It's not 200 plus that One Nation is wanting to get to. It's 130,000 is the official One Nation figure. But the plot thickens because there's another couple of One Nation senators who have been saying that, in fact, their real target is net zero immigration, that we should have no immigration at all in net terms. And so, again, what is it? They just don't even know their own policy. And again, this follows all sorts of shenanigans. I mean, I wrote my column last week or this week, on Monday, about how One Nation's official policy from the policy documents that they lodged with the Australian Parliament in 2001, which is the most recent, was that they supported the death penalty for drug dealers, which would include anyone who, you know, sold, you know, anyone who had two grams of coke at the Logies and sold one to their fellow celebrity. Suddenly they would get automatic mandatory benefits capital punishment automatic mandatory execution if One Nation's policy was successful but suddenly that's no longer their policy even though just months ago Pauline was saying she still supported the death penalty I mean it's just all over the shop and so you know I understand that people are frustrated I feel their pain and anxiety about how the economy is going and you know money going backwards and not being able to keep your head above water but if you're sort of looking around for solutions, you know, the questions are there, but I'm not sure if the answers are in One Nation.
00:56:22
Speaker 2: Now, it reminds me of that great clip of George W. Bush where he talks about the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and then he mixed that one up. That feels a little bit, at the moment, what's going on with One Nation. There are some who are going one way, some who are going the other, and Pauline's trying to rein them all in.
00:56:36
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. As George W. Bush famously said, we have a saying here in Texas, fool me once, Shame on you.
00:56:45
Speaker 15: Fool me.
00:56:47
Speaker 8: Don't do it again.
00:56:48
Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. Joe, as always, we look forward to reading your articles in the paper. We will do that tomorrow and online in the advertiser.
00:56:55
Speaker 8: Thank you, my friend.
00:56:56
Speaker 2: Have a good weekend. All the best. There is Joe Hildebrand, News Cop columnist, our Friday regular, talking all things federal politics.
00:57:03
Speaker 18: Okay, so he was just wrong saying there'd be an extra hundred.
00:57:07
Speaker 2: There's not going to be an extra hundred on top of that, no.
00:57:09
Speaker 1: Okay, so he just misspoke. Yeah, well, I mean, that's not unusual.
00:57:13
Speaker 2: Show me a political career where people haven't made a mistake and I'll show you a person who's not talking the truth.
00:57:21
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
00:57:25
Speaker 2: 23 minutes after two, Barbara in Campbelltown. Hello, Barbara.
00:57:28
Speaker 9: Hello, how are you?
00:57:30
Speaker 2: Good, thank you.
00:57:30
Speaker 16: I'm just a little bit saddened that people don't have a bit more empathy for these people that are accidentally overdosing. I think we need to perhaps look at why they're doing it in the first place. And perhaps we get some more places where they can go to actually be helped rather than accidentally killing themselves because that's an awful lot of families and friends and everyone else that's affected, not just the person doing it. And I just think we need to step back a little bit and not judge them so much. Because a lot of these people come from really good homes, but you just don't know what's going on in their head.
00:58:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, Barbara. We've lost that, haven't we, that empathy, I think, in some aspects of society where people think, oh, well, you do it, that's bad luck on you. But you're right, we don't know what they're doing. We don't know where they're walking. We don't know what's going on in their lives.
00:58:27
Speaker 16: No, that's right. And perhaps if they could get some help for that, then perhaps they wouldn't turn to whatever their drug of choice is.
00:58:35
Speaker 17: Yes.
00:58:36
Speaker 16: You know, I just think a little bit more empathy would go a long way rather than just blocking them all into one barrel and going, yeah, well, you're all no hopers because a lot of them are not.
00:58:47
Speaker 2: No, it's a great point. And, you know, but for the grace, Barbara, it could affect anyone. You know, you get caught up in a bad crowd, you have something happen to you, a life issue.
00:58:58
Speaker 16: A life experience.
00:58:59
Speaker 2: That's right. Some kind of trauma.
00:59:01
Speaker 16: And so I just think we need to have a bit deeper look than just, judged so.
00:59:06
Speaker 2: Quickly well done barbara it's a great call love the message thank you enjoy your weekend. You're in the running for the show tickets. That is for sure. Four tickets to give away to the show, which starts tomorrow week. The show.com.au or Drake's. Just before we get to headlines, we'll check in with the Bureau and Sam Caffone's going to join us from Powers on the other side. So it's been a bad week for celebrity passings. As you know, of course, the much-loved Dolly Parton passed away. Then, of course, yesterday kind of went under the radar a little bit because people are still grieving and sad about Dolly's passing. But Tim Curry, legendary actor and part of the iconic Rocky Horror Picture Show, he passed away.
00:59:51
Speaker 1: Don't judge a book by its cover. I'm just a sweet transvestite.
01:00:00
Speaker 13: From transsexual.
01:00:14
Speaker 2: So great. What a role that is. What a movie that is. And then I read today, and I was saddened by this because somebody that you probably, if you love movies and you love television, you would be familiar with, but maybe you just don't know the name. Voice actor and actor Peter Cullen has passed away at the age of 85. Now, you might say to yourself, Peter Cullen, who's Peter Cullen? Peter Cullen was the voice of many characters that you may have loved before. in your lifetime of television and movie. If you are someone who watches the franchise of Transformers, he is Optimus Prime.
01:00:49
Speaker 15: I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots.
01:00:55
Speaker 7: Taking refuge among the stars. We are here.
01:01:01
Speaker 3: We are waiting.
01:01:03
Speaker 2: Now, you might say to yourself, well, I'm not a Transformers fan, like, that's not my bag. Well, you may remember him as Eeyore, back from the 1960s.
01:01:11
Speaker 18: How about something nice, like a warm hug?
01:01:14
Speaker 10: I'd say thistles, but nobody listens to me anyway.
01:01:19
Speaker 2: If you're like me and you grew up in the 80s, you would remember that there was a very popular show with David Hasselhoff in it called Knight Rider, and David Hasselhoff's car was called Kit.
01:01:30
Speaker 3: Do you wish further information on Silicon Valley?
01:01:32
Speaker 6: Hell no, I want to know who you are and how you're listening in.
01:01:35
Speaker 2: Right, so that was Kit, but Peter Cullen played car who you might remember was the the kind of anti-kit if you like lo.
01:01:44
Speaker 1: And behold here comes the real target to the rescue just as i planned.
01:01:51
Speaker 18: Michael there's car what's he waiting.
01:01:54
Speaker 7: For unless i'm mistaken us i.
01:02:00
Speaker 17: Detect our laser mounted under his scanner michael I wish you'd reconsider Devin's warning.
01:02:05
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to give a shout out to Peter Cullen. You might remember him as the Roar of King Kong back in 1976. He was the click of the Predator in Arnold Schwarzenegger's film back in 1987. And as I mentioned, from Knight Rider to Eeyore in Winnie the Pooh to Transformers and Optimus Prime, he's passed away at the age of 85. Canadian actor Peter Cullen.
01:02:29
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Lee Forrest.
01:02:32
Speaker 2: 30 Friday with a difference very shortly. If you'd like to tune into our live stream, you can do that. Facebook and YouTube. After 3 o'clock, Tanya Doko is going to join us from Bachelor Girl. And we'll also speak to Matt from Sports Card World. Customer picked up a NBA card just after our previous chat a couple of weeks ago.
01:02:51
Speaker 7: $ 160, 000 worth.
01:02:54
Speaker 2: It is just bonkers. Before we get to that, let's speak to Steph Spackman from the Bureau. Get the official details ahead of the weekend. Lovely to have you on, Steph. Happy Friday.
01:03:03
Speaker 19: Happy Friday, Lee.
01:03:05
Speaker 2: So the day started well. I'm looking out over the eastern suburbs of Adelaide now, so it's a little bit overcast, but the day's been great so far. Around 20 degrees when I was driving in, sun was shining. More of that on the way today slash weekend?
01:03:17
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:03:18
Speaker 19: Well, we've got a top of 22 degrees today. There is a little bit of cloud around. We've got a little bit of a line going through, a little bit sunnier to the south and a little bit cloudier to the north. But mainly that high pressure system has been moving across and will be centred pretty much smack bang over Adelaide over the weekend. So we're looking at some dry conditions, mostly sunny, a bit of patchy fog around in the mornings over the next few days. And looking at a high of 21 degrees Saturday and a little bit cooler with a tiny bit of cloud cover on Sunday, about 19 degrees and back up to 21 on Monday.
01:03:51
Speaker 2: Okay, so no excuse to get out of the chores over the weekend. What about next week? More of the same or some rain in store?
01:03:58
Speaker 19: There is a little bit of rain in store. The next front is due to be crossing through probably early Tuesday and will be through by late Tuesday evening. Looking at about three millimetres as our max fall on Tuesday and just a little bit of showers in the southerlies They come after that, so one mil on Wednesday and up to three millimetres on Thursday, and some cooler air behind that. So the temperature will be dropping down on Wednesday.
01:04:30
Speaker 6: To about 16.
01:04:30
Speaker 19: So a little bit springy before then, but after that we have another little taste just of winter.
01:04:37
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Thank you, Steph. Appreciate it. Enjoy your weekend. We'll speak to you on Monday. Steph Spackman from the Weather Bureau. And just before we introduce our very special guest, the first H5N1 bird flu detection. has been confirmed in an Australian dolphin found at Goolwa on the Fleurieu. Positive test according to state authorities. They've just had a press conference. We'll bring you some of that as soon as we can. But being a Friday, it's time for.
01:05:06
Speaker 1: Welcome to Foodie Friday. Thanks to Smeg and Parafield Airport Liquor.
01:05:12
Speaker 2: With a difference today, because like a good game of footy, we have a laid out. Chris Jarmer is unavailable, so just coming off the interchange. Although, be it, he's not off the interchange because he's a very valued part of our team. Every Friday, you just don't get to see him, to be honest, on the live stream, Facebook and YouTube. But you do today because he is part of POWS. Powerfield Airport Liquor Store, Kings Road at Powerfield there. The owner, director... is Sam Caffone. He joins me live. Lovely to see you.
01:05:39
Speaker 1: Welcome.
01:05:40
Speaker 2: G'day, Leith.
01:05:40
Speaker 7: How are you?
01:05:40
Speaker 2: Are you happy to be here?
01:05:42
Speaker 13: We should have.
01:05:42
Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to get you back again when we can have some food and some drink, but it's nice to have you here.
01:05:46
Speaker 7: Well, that probably would be a little bit more fun.
01:05:48
Speaker 18: Yeah.
01:05:48
Speaker 7: But, you know, it's one of those things. You know, I've got this theory that, you know, coming into... talk on the radio is not really my thing.
01:05:57
Speaker 14: Yes.
01:05:57
Speaker 7: Although my wife always said that I had a face for radio.
01:06:00
Speaker 2: Oh, you're very handsome. You do a great job.
01:06:02
Speaker 7: And then you go put cameras in the room. Yeah.
01:06:04
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. You don't reckon I'm telling Brooklyn all the time. If anyone notices the live stream when I'm on, thankfully I've got a great friendship with Brooklyn who does our cameras. So she gets off me as soon as she can.
01:06:16
Speaker 3: Right.
01:06:16
Speaker 2: A little bit of a setup and then bang, on to you. Great.
01:06:19
Speaker 7: Really happy about that.
01:06:20
Speaker 2: Which I'm very delighted about. Hey, it's great to have you here. We thought we'd do something a little bit different. So Chris, today is a big day, actually, because the Crows staff have all got their big sort of get-together, of which he is a valued member of that, and he's also cooking for them.
01:06:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, he did tell me.
01:06:34
Speaker 2: But it's great to have you here. So I thought it might be fun because we have heard about you. And we've heard about your business for such a long time. And a bit like we did the other day with Brett Charlesworth from Charlesworth Nuts, it might be a chance to visit because it's just a great Adelaide family story and a great business. I was thinking when I started in 2000, you were advertising then. Like, Pals have been with AA for a long... Do you have any idea when you started?
01:06:59
Speaker 7: A very long time we've been advertising on AA. And, yeah, well, we've been out at Parafield Airport now for coming up on... 39.
01:07:10
Speaker 2: Years 39 years yeah so a long time so you guys have got pals and you've got.
01:07:15
Speaker 7: Roulette correct yeah so yeah started the business um you know 39 years ago with my dad and my mum yep um which sort of started originally um my father had seen uh expressions of interest to be uh um for a hotel to be built on parafield airport yes and um he went to see the airport manager at the time and And the guy said, well, we don't. We're just sort of feeling our way. It's going to happen a bit down the track.
01:07:45
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:07:45
Speaker 7: But we've got a little bar slash canteen.
01:07:49
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:07:49
Speaker 7: Which sits underneath the control tower. And they needed someone to run it. And so we sort of went in and. Started to run it.
01:08:00
Speaker 2: Gosh, so Parafield Airport, 39 years ago.
01:08:03
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:08:04
Speaker 2: So we're talking 1986, 87. I'm guessing, I'm not around then in Adelaide, like I'm well and truly.
01:08:13
Speaker 7: You're still in school, I would imagine.
01:08:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in year five. What was Parafield like then? I mean, has it changed over the 40 years in terms of, I mean, we see those old photos of Parafield where it was basically.
01:08:26
Speaker 7: Nothing, you know.
01:08:27
Speaker 2: But I imagine there still would have been a bit around, but not what it is today.
01:08:30
Speaker 7: Well, the control tower hasn't changed all that much. I mean, that was, you know, an Art Deco building at the time.
01:08:36
Speaker 2: Were there always the shops on the side on Main North Road where you guys were, where we see the plant?
01:08:40
Speaker 1: No.
01:08:41
Speaker 7: So that whole area where all those shops are, that was all just clear land. And there was, you know, there was some... Some trees that were actually made the word parafield.
01:08:52
Speaker 2: Do you know what? Oh, my God. So we used to drive Main North Road, as you know, every day for McLeod's daughter so the two years that i was on that show i drove past that every single day and just thought it was bush bush bush bush yeah not realizing that if you did the aerial shot spells the word spells out the word i'm not sure it does anymore i think it's.
01:09:09
Speaker 7: All it's all gone yeah they did that when they made the changes they sort of sold off you know some commercial development yeah on the on around the corner with bunnings and what have you and We were sort of part of that change.
01:09:22
Speaker 2: So were mum and dad restauranteurs?
01:09:24
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:09:25
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:09:25
Speaker 7: Yeah, so restauranteurs, they'd been in business for a long, long time. My father migrated, and my mother migrated to Australia in 1951.
01:09:37
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:09:39
Speaker 7: And my dad worked for the railways for the first nine years of his time here, and then- then decided, like a lot of Italians, you know, they'd build a delicatessen.
01:09:52
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
01:09:52
Speaker 7: So they did that in Parra Hills and then in 1964 had the first– Liquor store license in Power Hills.
01:10:01
Speaker 2: So did he go through a survey and think, you know what, there's not enough liquor here. I need to open up the world's biggest liquor store. Was he an aficionado or was he a keen interest or he just thought this was a good business idea?
01:10:13
Speaker 7: No, he was just a businessman. He was very much, you know, change business. That was him. He was a bit of a go-getter.
01:10:21
Speaker 2: Gee, these Aussies drink a bit. Let's open up this industry.
01:10:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then he then built the Somerset Hotel. in Parra Hills, which is still there. And I learnt to crawl on the steps of that, you know, all those years ago.
01:10:34
Speaker 2: It's funny, I never realised this, but one of the main pubs in Millicent is the Somerset. So for us, it was always the Somerset. And I've heard that name up here, and I never realised there was a Somerset here.
01:10:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
01:10:45
Speaker 2: So did you have childhood?
01:10:47
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was my childhood. So that was late 70s and early, sorry, late 60s and early 70s.
01:10:52
Speaker 15: Yep.
01:10:54
Speaker 7: And then he went into real estate for a period of time.
01:10:57
Speaker 13: Okay.
01:10:57
Speaker 7: Just changed things about.
01:10:59
Speaker 2: Man.
01:10:59
Speaker 7: As he did. Yeah. And then in the late 70s, he bought an old church in Salisbury and created it into a restaurant. So he was the sort of first person to take a church and renovate it into something else.
01:11:16
Speaker 2: Italian restaurant?
01:11:18
Speaker 7: No, it wasn't. It was just sort of up in sort of French style, I guess, if anything, of the day.
01:11:26
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:11:26
Speaker 7: And so he did that and ran that for a few years. And then, yeah, he's done a few things. And he did a lot in his life. He did.
01:11:35
Speaker 2: So then Parafield Airport Liquor Store becomes PALS as of.
01:11:39
Speaker 7: … Yeah, so he went off to do different things and I did some different things. I went off and worked for Coles for a period of time. And then, like I say, he saw something and added in the paper for looking for expressions of interest for a hotel. And like I say, the airport manager at the time said, well, we've got to. a bar underneath the control tower and we need someone to run it. And he went and had looked at it and he said, what do you think? And so we went into it and, you know, did, you know, gave it a lick of paint and, you know, carpeted and redid the bar around and, you know.
01:12:17
Speaker 2: So that's in the actual airport itself where the tower is?
01:12:21
Speaker 14: Correct.
01:12:21
Speaker 7: That's on the ground floor of the, or was in the ground floor of the tower. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one day he decided to, we'd had this little storeroom and we used to buy, you know, Strongbow Cider. And we'd only buy five or six cartons a week, nothing much. It was only a very small bar. One day he decided to buy a pallet of each flavour. So that was three pallets of cider. I'm saying, what are you doing? He said, I'm going to put an ad in the messenger press. And he put a cheap price into the local paper. And people came from everywhere.
01:12:59
Speaker 17: Really?
01:12:59
Speaker 7: It was like this, are you joking? What's going on?
01:13:02
Speaker 20: Wow.
01:13:03
Speaker 7: So he then went back and approached the airport manager at the time to see whether we had an opportunity for an off-licence. And there was a hangar at the front of the airport at the time. There was a paint shop and the guy was looking to retire. And the airport manager said, well, go speak to him and see if you can lease the place there and we'll grant the licence. So that was it. We went and changed a paint shop and over a three-day period turned it into a liquor store.
01:13:31
Speaker 2: And then history was made.
01:13:33
Speaker 7: That's where it all started.
01:13:34
Speaker 2: The castle that Strongbow built.
01:13:36
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:13:37
Speaker 2: Man, you know, Strongbow was popular in the day, in the north.
01:13:39
Speaker 7: It clearly was.
01:13:40
Speaker 2: Well, people coming from everywhere for it.
01:13:42
Speaker 7: And well, that was my, that's where I sort of fell in love with the retail side of the hospitality business. So, you know, that was my thing. He would run the actual bar under the, control tower, and I'd run this liquor store, which was at the front of the airport, just on Kings Road.
01:13:57
Speaker 2: What a great origin story. So were you, as a kid, you know, it's often the case when you speak to people who work at Hague's or Men's or, you know, it's like, are you eating chocolate every day? Were you a kid who, were you an underage slash legal drinker? Have you always had an interest in alcohol, or has it just been growing as you got older?
01:14:15
Speaker 7: I guess what I realised after sort of getting into that game was that I had a palate. I sort of could identify good product. So for me, it's always been about flavour. Buy the best things with the best flavours, people will come and purchase those things.
01:14:32
Speaker 15: Yes.
01:14:32
Speaker 7: So pretty simple sort of way of business.
01:14:35
Speaker 13: It's interesting.
01:14:36
Speaker 2: I remember you and Jamie came in once when we were doing nights and we were talking about old alcohol that people used to love. I think it was on the back of Green Death. That's right. There was an article in the paper about Selleck and it was sort of called the Green Death You would have seen such an evolution, not just from powers in the 80s right through to today, but obviously before too with Dad and the Strongbows and, you know, from the early days. Absolutely.
01:15:00
Speaker 7: There's been a lot of products.
01:15:02
Speaker 2: That have changed. What were you having early days then to, I guess, compared to what you're having now? Like if Strongbow was your big seller then … Are the mixed spirit type stuff popular now or is it?
01:15:11
Speaker 7: RTD drinks are quite popular. RTD, ready to drink. So ready to drink, premixes or whatever you like to call them.
01:15:19
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:15:19
Speaker 7: They're sort of very popular. Cider has well dropped from where the heights that it used to be. Yeah. But, you know, things change, you know, things have changed. time in the sun.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: It had a peak, didn't it? I remember the Two Dogs cider was really popular for a period of time.
01:15:34
Speaker 7: That was huge. They were making a lot of that product made here in Adelaide and sent all around the world. They did a great job of that.
01:15:44
Speaker 2: Beer always stays pretty solid.
01:15:47
Speaker 7: It stays constant in some respects. I guess just the brands change. Brands change, correct. That's what happens. We've seen the heights of craft beers, which became sort of, you know, a big thing. That's sort of probably seeing a bit of a lull at the moment. So things have gone down a little bit there.
01:16:07
Speaker 2: But it's interesting. I reckon my dad, when I'm growing up as a kid, I think he had one, maybe two beers that he drank. That was it.
01:16:13
Speaker 7: That's right.
01:16:14
Speaker 2: You know, mum was one wine, perhaps. Yeah, that's right. And a goon bag if they had, you know, if times were tough.
01:16:21
Speaker 7: There were less choices back then. There's no doubt about it.
01:16:24
Speaker 2: You know, you know.
01:16:26
Speaker 7: Variety is the spice of life, and there's more and more products that come onto the market all the time.
01:16:31
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:16:32
Speaker 7: I mean, our store is a big store, and we hold probably 5,500 products within it.
01:16:37
Speaker 2: Oh, it's bonkers.
01:16:38
Speaker 7: It's crazy.
01:16:38
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:16:39
Speaker 2: For those who've never seen it, you have to visit. Those who know the secret, we're happy to share it. Sam Caffani's here from Powers. We'll take a short break. 13 to 3. More with the owner and director on the other side. A different Foodie Friday for you. Because, again, we love the fact that you and Chris Jarmer have this relationship where he says, right, this week I'm cooking this, and then you have to find something that goes with it.
01:17:00
Speaker 7: That's right.
01:17:01
Speaker 2: And it's never a case of, sorry, I can't help you out this week. There's always something.
01:17:04
Speaker 7: Well, I text him and say, hey, what's on for this week? And he'll tell me what he's thinking about, and then I've got to. put the thinking cap on and think, okay, what are we going to match with that?
01:17:15
Speaker 2: More with Sam on the other side. If you'd like to join us, you're welcome to ask a question. 8223 0000. If you were someone that was buying the Strongbows back in the day from Sam and his family, love to hear from you too.
01:17:26
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:17:29
Speaker 2: Very special foodie Friday with a difference. Sam Caffone is here, owner of Powell's, Parafield Airport liquor store, Chris Jarmer.com. isn't here with us today. He'll be back next week, though. But it's a great chance for us to, A, thank you for being part of our Foodie Friday segment, which you've done for three decades.
01:17:46
Speaker 7: For a long time.
01:17:47
Speaker 2: Over a period of time with AA. But it's also great to tap into, you know, life there at Powell's and the industry itself. And we were just having this conversation off air. This is the beauty of being a non-drinker and a teetotaler, because I am so foreign to your world, you know, and I'm getting text messages from friends and people. Cesar from North Adelaide said, Ask Sam about the new $ 500 bourbon, the very, very limited $ 500 bourbon. See, again, as a non-drinker, I can't get my head around people paying $ 500 for a drink.
01:18:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, special occasion. You know, that's one of those things.
01:18:20
Speaker 13: People do that.
01:18:21
Speaker 7: And collector's items. I think he's referring to Wild Turkey have just brought out a bourbon, which is, you know, rarefied air. You know, you can't get very much of this stuff. So, you know. We've got a few bottles at Powell's. I've yet to taste it, so it's only recently come. I think it came in yesterday or the day before.
01:18:42
Speaker 2: So do you say to the people who bring it in, can I try this? Are they happy to crack open a $ 500? So we had Peter Gago in here and he dropped $ 1, 000. $ 1, 500 bottle of wine.
01:18:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:18:51
Speaker 2: Rowie was cuddling it like a newborn baby. People go crazy for it. They do. Again, I miss out on this, but I see the joy it brings people.
01:19:00
Speaker 7: I guess I'm very lucky. I get to try a lot of stuff, which is fantastic. And generally speaking, we will try anything first before putting it in. So we're making a judgment piece to say, is this product good enough to sell in powers?
01:19:13
Speaker 2: Yep.
01:19:15
Speaker 7: Now, there will be products like this new Wild Turkey that we know that there's going to be people chasing it regardless. Like, it's going to be a collector's item, you know, for a lot of people.
01:19:26
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:19:27
Speaker 7: And those aficionados of Wild Turkey will want to have it in their, you know.
01:19:33
Speaker 2: So this is what I've discovered. And, you know, you might be a part of this. We have a group here at work. Eddie and Murph and JC used to be a part of the group. I don't think Dags is. It was like the Whiskey Club or the Scotch Club. They had a fancy cabinet that no one knows about that there's a secret lock and key to.
01:19:51
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:19:51
Speaker 2: And they would have their little... tipples and their tastings like this is a real passion for.
01:19:56
Speaker 7: People definitely because that what they've done there but they've probably discovered whiskey real whiskeys that you know that are very small batch made products and and and finding the new excitement in those flavors and saying hey have you tried this so it is it's a fun piece and sharing is the whole piece you know having a Having a drink is not as much fun by yourself.
01:20:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that might be a shared experience.
01:20:22
Speaker 7: You want to be socialising with having a drink.
01:20:24
Speaker 2: Deb says, I've been getting into the mulled cider this winter, Sam. What's a mulled cider?
01:20:29
Speaker 7: Well, she's probably making a bit like a hot toddy. I would imagine she's warming up and throwing some spices and stuff into the cider. So, yeah, great for a wintertime drink to warm her up.
01:20:43
Speaker 2: Have you noticed a change in people's taste buds? Is it a yearly thing? Is it a generational thing? Like things that were popular in the 80s, a bit like music, do they ever make a comeback? Do people go, oh, Centropay cooler. I would love one of those now.
01:20:59
Speaker 7: Products do make comebacks. Yes, they do. And styles of drink make comebacks. Yeah, things have changed a lot. I mean, I look at some... products. I always think about gin. Gin's the one for me that was the real eye-opener. If you'd come into our store, let's call it between 15 and 20 years ago, we might have had 10 gins on the shelves, and most of them would have been from overseas. And That was it, you know, and we didn't think we needed any more, but then there was this big.
01:21:35
Speaker 2: Now you've got a plethora.
01:21:37
Speaker 7: Oh, my God. So, we have 300 gins today on the shelves. Of those 300, 200 are Australian. Yeah, wow. And of the 200, 150 are South Australian. So, it just goes to show how.
01:21:54
Speaker 7: Taste change and people want to try different products.
01:21:58
Speaker 2: 100%. So when your dad would have started, he probably had limited stock because there wouldn't have been a lot of stock around. And this is why I think it's great to talk to people like you and to Jamie and your staff who've got the experience in this. Because I'll be honest, if I go and buy somebody a bottle of wine, two things, price point, label. I've got no idea. I have absolutely no idea. So I go, oh, this looks nice. I'll buy this. But if you ask the experts... Then you can say, what do you eat? What do you do?
01:22:24
Speaker 7: Correct. I mean, the price point is important. The label less so. It's about what's inside that glass, not what's on the outside.
01:22:32
Speaker 2: I'm a simple man. You know that. So, but I guess you're fighting for all those. Like I walked into, I love walking into Tapao's because even just the aesthetics of the bottles, you know, skull shapes and tall shapes. And again, as a kid sort of sitting at the Mount Burr Football Club bar and just looking at all of these lineup of tall, skinny, and they'd be blues and yellows and wondering what are they all for? Like, it's a bit like that.
01:22:56
Speaker 7: Is it a lolly shop for you?
01:22:57
Speaker 2: Kinda.
01:22:58
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:22:58
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:22:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, but only by the eyes, but not through the taste.
01:23:01
Speaker 2: You showed me this, that those two worlds have now morphed, where, like, there's Golden Gate on beers, or there's Fruit Chalk beers, or people are going, right, what do people love? Let's put that into our alcohol.
01:23:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've tried all those sorts of things. We probably shouldn't talk about that one, because that's one of the brews that is no longer with us.
01:23:18
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
01:23:19
Speaker 7: That's okay.
01:23:19
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
01:23:21
Speaker 7: But, yeah, like, experimentation, particularly in craft beers, gets people interested.
01:23:26
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:23:26
Speaker 7: You know, everyone wants to try something that's the new product.
01:23:30
Speaker 17: Yeah.
01:23:30
Speaker 7: You know.
01:23:31
Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for a pie graph. What's your biggest seller, do you think, of house? Is it beer? Is it wine? Is it spirits? Is it?
01:23:38
Speaker 7: Across the board, over the period of time, I would say it's close on 30%, you know. Okay, so it's pretty even.
01:23:45
Speaker 15: Yeah, 30%.
01:23:45
Speaker 7: So it's pretty even. Now, it changes from time to time.
01:23:48
Speaker 15: Yep.
01:23:49
Speaker 7: You know, sometimes white wine sells more than red and all these sorts of things, and spirits sell more than wine. than beer. But in general speak, it tends to be a third each in each of the main categories.
01:24:01
Speaker 2: Okay. We used to have fun with phone topics like ladies who drove bloke cars and blokes who drove lady cars. So it might be the lady who drives the hotted up V8, the guy who drives the Hyundai XL.
01:24:15
Speaker 7: I have got a mate of mine who always says, you always want those flowery cocktails. And he says that questions my sexuality. But it's not.
01:24:25
Speaker 2: There's no gender with alcohol.
01:24:27
Speaker 7: But for me, it's about tasting the product. I want to taste and see what it is and see if I can tell someone else that might actually really like it.
01:24:35
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:24:35
Speaker 2: So I grew up where dad drank beer, mum drank wine. And now I go out socially and I see everyone drinking espresso martinis. And I'm like, what are we in New York in the 1920s? But this is the change that people love.
01:24:47
Speaker 7: That's what happens.
01:24:48
Speaker 2: Men and women.
01:24:48
Speaker 7: Cocktails is a piece. And there's a lot of people who love drinking them. And so, yeah. It's one of those things.
01:24:54
Speaker 2: What's your all-time favourite? We're going to get to the news. What's your all-time favourite? I know the favourite children and all of that.
01:24:59
Speaker 7: Don't do the favourite children.
01:25:00
Speaker 2: You can't do them.
01:25:00
Speaker 13: Death row.
01:25:01
Speaker 2: Death row. What's my last drink? What's your last all-time drink?
01:25:04
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
01:25:05
Speaker 2: And then let the subconscious work.
01:25:08
Speaker 7: I mean, it probably changes over time, but currently I'm in love with Chardonnay. I've come back to Chardonnay in a big way, so that's my go-to.
01:25:17
Speaker 2: See, that always used to be like the ladies had the Chardies.
01:25:21
Speaker 7: It is what it is.
01:25:22
Speaker 2: Crow supporter, port supporter?
01:25:23
Speaker 7: I'm a crow supporter, as you well know.
01:25:27
Speaker 2: That's very much on brand.
01:25:28
Speaker 3: All right.
01:25:28
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say this one because I'm sure you don't sell it. What's the worst of all time in your history, in your 30-plus years? Give me one.
01:25:35
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter. There's been a lot of products that I have doubted why they sell. I'm not a huge believer in those seltzers. I find that drinking a seltzer is like eating the can is just about the same sort of flavor profile. So I'm not a big fan of them, but they sell well. I mean, particularly when I look at the South Ave ones, the South Australian product, which go amazingly well.
01:26:02
Speaker 2: But the thing is, there's always a market for it. Somebody loves them.
01:26:06
Speaker 7: Correct. We can't all be the same. Otherwise, we'd all be eating the same food and drinking the same product. And my store would have one product in it, not two. 5,000 products.
01:26:15
Speaker 2: And this is why I will never knock the goon bag, because if mum and dad enjoy it, for us it was like a footy to kick around, and when you get tired, blow it up and you just have a nice shiny silver pillow. It's great to have you part of the segment, first and foremost, and your continued support for Double A. Where do we find you? How do we find you?
01:26:33
Speaker 7: So you come out to King's Road at Parafield. That's where we are, just on the corner there. We're right next to Roulette's Tavern. Which reminds me, if anyone's, we've just put in a big new screen into Roulette's Tavern. So if you want to watch the football. Perfect. It's perfect. It's up today. So we're thrilled by that. So if you want to come watch the game on a big screen, come out to Roulette's.
01:26:56
Speaker 2: Meals to die for and online too.
01:26:58
Speaker 7: And online too, yeah, powersliquor.com.au.
01:27:01
Speaker 2: Well done. Thanks for coming in.
01:27:02
Speaker 8: Thanks, mate.
01:27:03
Speaker 14: Cheers.
01:27:03
Speaker 2: Sam Caffone, owner director of POW.
01:27:07
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:27:10
Speaker 2: Well, it is hard to believe that 28 years ago, my next guest, along with James, put out one of the all-time great Australian albums, one of the iconic releases, 1998, Waiting for the Day. She's here to perform tonight, part of Bachelor Girl at the Gov. Tanya Doko. Lovely to see you.
01:27:29
Speaker 9: It's lovely to be here in studio with you.
01:27:31
Speaker 12: I know.
01:27:32
Speaker 2: We get to meet for the first... Well, I've had you on the show before, but thanks for coming to visit.
01:27:35
Speaker 9: I know the voice. I know the voice.
01:27:36
Speaker 2: Sorry about the face.
01:27:37
Speaker 9: Very disappointing.
01:27:38
Speaker 3: No, stop it.
01:27:38
Speaker 9: And you Adelaideans have got this cute English accent.
01:27:42
Speaker 2: Right.
01:27:43
Speaker 13: I love it.
01:27:43
Speaker 9: With the A on the end, you know. A.
01:27:45
Speaker 2: As in which word or just in general?
01:27:48
Speaker 9: Just general. I can just hear it.
01:27:49
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:27:50
Speaker 9: Is that a thing or not?
01:27:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it is.
01:27:51
Speaker 9: Am I making it up?
01:27:52
Speaker 2: No, apparently there is a South Australian accent.
01:27:54
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
01:27:54
Speaker 9: I can hear it big time.
01:27:55
Speaker 2: On a couple of words, so.
01:27:56
Speaker 4: Well, I'm from Queensland now, so.
01:27:58
Speaker 18: See, I.
01:27:59
Speaker 2: Think there's a Queensland accent there too. What do you say, what do you call the shopping strip that starts with M and ends in A-double-L? You know, if you walk down a shopping strip, it's Rundle Mall.
01:28:10
Speaker 14: Mall.
01:28:11
Speaker 2: What do you call it now? That's mall.
01:28:13
Speaker 9: It's a mall. It's definitely a mall.
01:28:15
Speaker 15: What do you.
01:28:15
Speaker 2: Call a schnitzel with tomato and cheese on it?
01:28:19
Speaker 9: Parmigiana.
01:28:20
Speaker 2: But do you call it a parma or a parmi?
01:28:22
Speaker 9: Oh, that.
01:28:23
Speaker 4: Well, I call it parmigiana because... Because of my Italian heritage, so I'm the.
01:28:28
Speaker 3: Wrong person to ask.
01:28:28
Speaker 2: You say it right. Because I think some states call it a palmer, but we call it a palmy.
01:28:32
Speaker 9: Oh, there you go.
01:28:33
Speaker 17: So anyway.
01:28:34
Speaker 8: All right.
01:28:34
Speaker 13: Hey, it's lovely to have you here.
01:28:35
Speaker 2: You've had a bit of excitement earlier today.
01:28:39
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know.
01:28:39
Speaker 2: You got caught up in the great Adelaide CBD power blackout.
01:28:44
Speaker 9: I was very committed to getting here, though.
01:28:45
Speaker 2: Clearly.
01:28:46
Speaker 4: I did walk down 17 floors, but it was okay because it was down, not up. Yeah, I've been a victim of that, but I got here to talk to you.
01:28:56
Speaker 2: So the hotel lost the power. You can't use the elevators.
01:29:00
Speaker 8: No.
01:29:00
Speaker 2: Luckily, you match fit.
01:29:02
Speaker 4: But imagine if I was in the elevator. What would happen then? And the power went out. Could they get you out or?
01:29:08
Speaker 2: I think so.
01:29:08
Speaker 13: Yeah.
01:29:09
Speaker 2: I think so.
01:29:10
Speaker 9: Goodness me. Well, making history. We made it.
01:29:12
Speaker 2: Well, you fought through adversity to be here.
01:29:14
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
01:29:15
Speaker 1: It's so.
01:29:16
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's 28 years ago.
01:29:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's nuts.
01:29:19
Speaker 2: And I think I, on behalf of everyone, am going to apologise to you for not realising just how great the album was at the time.
01:29:27
Speaker 9: Oh, that's very sweet of you.
01:29:28
Speaker 2: Because we're so used to the single. The single comes out and we go banger, cracker.
01:29:32
Speaker 9: Yeah, it dominates.
01:29:33
Speaker 2: Next song comes out, banger, cracker. Four of those in a row, like straight off the bat. To think a debut album could literally produce song after song after song after song, We probably didn't give it as much credit as it deserves. So luckily you've reissued, which we'll talk about, and now we get to see you tonight at the Gov to perform these songs.
01:29:50
Speaker 4: Well, that's very kind of you to say. I think the deep cuts always get hidden in the deep cuts, you know. So that's one of the reasons we wanted to do this, to revamp. We wanted to own the record. We wanted to do it with Swifty, and then we thought, why not, you know, put them in new clothes and then ask all our artist friends to come along and, you know, One artist became three, became five, became 15.
01:30:12
Speaker 9: I know.
01:30:13
Speaker 2: And that shows great love and admiration they have for you.
01:30:16
Speaker 9: It's very nice.
01:30:17
Speaker 4: We were genuinely surprised at all the yeses.
01:30:21
Speaker 9: We did not know.
01:30:22
Speaker 4: And I think that is the great discovery of an exercise like this. If you go back in time and revisit, you can sort of suck the life out of it even more or the juice out of it.
01:30:32
Speaker 9: And get to enjoy it even more because you have a.
01:30:34
Speaker 4: Maturity, one would think, one would hope, about what happened, like you're not in it anymore and you've got this retrospective perspective. And it's been a very nice project to deliver.
01:30:46
Speaker 2: Before we talk about who's joining you on the album, I always run this task with producer Madeline, who you met, 23 years of age. I will, because I'm late 40s, I will say, have you heard this song before? Because she was minus six when the album came out. I don't want to age both of us, Tanya, but that's how it works. And as soon as I played your songs, bang. Yeah, interesting. Like there's the muscle memory. So that's, isn't that great that 30 years go on?
01:31:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:31:11
Speaker 2: Good songs just never disappear.
01:31:13
Speaker 8: Well.
01:31:13
Speaker 2: Radio play.
01:31:14
Speaker 9: Thank you.
01:31:14
Speaker 2: Catchy, earworms, all of that.
01:31:16
Speaker 4: Well, thanks to Australian radio, you guys included, that absolutely smashed the songs. These days, emerging artists don't necessarily enjoy that luxury.
01:31:27
Speaker 9: So we were very lucky.
01:31:29
Speaker 4: And I believe we were. sort of radio darlings for a couple of years there. I mean, you either wanted, you either loved buses and trains or you really did want me to walk under the bus.
01:31:37
Speaker 2: Oh no, I love, and I still love it to this day. And we've been knowing you coming in, you know, like everyone walks around the office and hums it and sings and thinks of those lyrics to walked under a bus, hit by a train, falling in love, kind of the same. I was trying to think of like, was that a person you were describing when you were, is there, is there a person that you would walk under a.
01:31:57
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
01:31:57
Speaker 4: I walked on the many buses for crazy young boys, you know, silly. Thankfully, I'm in a stable marriage. I married a Swede, went overseas and had a Swedish child, came back to Australia the last five years. But no, no, it was, I grew up in Melbourne and look, James actually wrote that one. He cracked the coconut in the shower, so to speak. You know, he had Walked under a bus, got hit by a train and thought, that's odd. And then he got the rest of it, you know, at the end of the day.
01:32:24
Speaker 9: Falling in love is kind of the same.
01:32:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, but the thing is you can actually relate that concept to any obstacle in life. I mean, I went to Sweden and felt like I was walking under buses and trains all over again, just navigating the language and the people.
01:32:38
Speaker 9: It's just life.
01:32:39
Speaker 4: It talks of the life, human condition that we are constantly challenged by. But, you know, that's the stuff you remember. If you can get over these obstacles, wow. You've got some stories to tell.
01:32:50
Speaker 2: Crash my car, gone insane, and I'd do it again. That's the bit I love of the whole song too. It doesn't matter what you've gone through. If you find the one, you're happy to go through all that again.
01:33:00
Speaker 9: Well, let me tell you a quick story.
01:33:01
Speaker 4: I sang for Darren Hayes the other night at a support act, the music charity.
01:33:06
Speaker 2: For the roadies.
01:33:08
Speaker 9: Yeah, roadies and all artists actually.
01:33:11
Speaker 4: And so Darren Hayes, beautiful friend and artist, was honoured for his advocacy work and obviously his songs. But I was really scared because in front of the industry and I didn't want to screw up the song. I had, you know, just to the moon and back to deliver. And I was really, like, I wanted to barf. I'm not joking. And I noticed my fear and I did it anyway because I really couldn't.
01:33:35
Speaker 9: Pull out because I had to be a professional. But the thing is, it was a walk under a bus situation. I got through it. But, you know, the things that excite you are also very scary. Would I do it again? Yes, I would.
01:33:48
Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
01:33:49
Speaker 4: So there's that sort of fine line between pleasure and pain, and that's kind of what Buses and Trains speaks of.
01:33:55
Speaker 2: I think Bachelor Girl, like Savage Gardener, similar in that it doesn't matter decades on, the songs are still, they don't age. It's not one of those ones where you go, okay, you know what, we're going to park and leave that in the 90s. They're as good today as they were then. And I often think if you have one song that people love, like that's, you've hit lotto.
01:34:13
Speaker 9: Oh, we're very, very lucky.
01:34:14
Speaker 2: You guys go bang, bang, bang, bang.
01:34:16
Speaker 4: Well, James is a very, very clever man. That's why I kept working with him through the years. And he was very prolific. For instance, Lucky Me. You know, I've got so many friends on the internet, I could never be alone.
01:34:27
Speaker 9: And this was 1999. Yeah. The internet was not really a thing yet.
01:34:31
Speaker 8: No.
01:34:32
Speaker 4: And it speaks of wristwatch phones and all sorts of, you know, psychiatrists for my dog.
01:34:37
Speaker 9: And very, very clever.
01:34:39
Speaker 4: He is an expert at saying a lot of stuff, very interestingly, in a short space of time. So, you know, we had and still have a chemistry that you can't buy that, you know, and that's why we've had hiatus. We had our own sort of careers creatively. We came back, put the band back together and decided to do this project.
01:34:59
Speaker 2: I got wind of it online a while back and I think it was all of a sudden, hey, they're redoing Bachelor Girl's album. And they're going to bring in like the biggest names in Australia to sing along with you, which again is like, how do we make a menu and a recipe even better? We already love it now. It's like this Italian dish that we love. But you know what? Let's add a little bit more. Just sprinkle a little bit on top. So that must be the greatest thing. Not ego trip, but sense of pride for you that all of a sudden Guy Sebastian and Delta Goodrum and Susie DeMarchi and all of these iconic people go, you know, Tommy Emanuel and Shepard. I mean, there's too many to mention, but they say, yep, let's do it. Let's record with you.
01:35:40
Speaker 4: The truth is some of them, they didn't necessarily grow up on the record, like Suze DeMarchi and John Stevens. They're not necessarily our vintage, although we're similar age, but we've worked with them in festivals and come to like each other and respect each other. And because of that camaraderie, yeah, sure. I'll, I'll do one of your songs. I was genuinely surprised. Um, and whereas with Guy and Delta and Jess, who came up through Idol, et cetera, apparently they grew up on the record. And so they were an immediate, yes, it was, you know, sign me up. You know, I couldn't even finish the sentence and Jess Malboy was all girly and so excited.
01:36:17
Speaker 9: And I'm, I'm thinking, you know, do you know who you are? You're Jessica Mowboy. Why are you going nuts over us? But it's a lovely thing.
01:36:25
Speaker 4: I think we need to feel inspired. What I'm probably most proud of about this record is that we sort of harnessed a little community, maybe a pop rock community. Pop is celebrated in this country, but maybe not as much as rock and indie. And it just happens to be our record. But any number of artists could do this. and ask their friends as a concept, just saying, and they will be surprised as well because we need to feel inspired. We want to work together more than we actually do.
01:36:55
Speaker 2: But again, it's a great reminder of your talents and your songs because you then hear them again. And I love the idea of like the thought bubble above your head going, oh, my God, I'm singing with Guy Sebastian.
01:37:06
Speaker 9: Oh, it's nuts.
01:37:06
Speaker 2: And Guy's thought bubble is going, oh, my God, I'm singing with Tanya Doko. Like I guarantee you that happened.
01:37:11
Speaker 9: I know.
01:37:12
Speaker 2: Because you have this incredible voice. Mel from the newsroom when you walked in, like she jumped across because she saw you at the Gov, your recent show there. You're performing tonight at the Gov. But you have one of those iconic voices.
01:37:23
Speaker 9: Oh, very kind.
01:37:24
Speaker 2: Powerhouse. You know, and again, you're smallish in stature.
01:37:29
Speaker 9: I am small.
01:37:30
Speaker 2: Like there is a lot of power in.
01:37:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I was the– Third of three daughters and Italian-Orbanian heritage where, you know, shouting was kind of how we talked. So I learned, not shouting, but, you know, speaking up, speaking passionately. So I did learn that, yeah, you know, have your voice. I mean, of course, it's been a journey and, you know, no one's perfect. We're all work in progress. But this album helped stretch the muscle of ask and you might be surprised, ask and you might just receive.
01:38:03
Speaker 15: Yep.
01:38:03
Speaker 18: Yeah.
01:38:04
Speaker 2: Waiting for the Day, the artist sessions is available now where you get all good music. Jess Malboy, Delta, Guy, Darren Hayes, Courtney Eck, Ella Hooper, Tommy Emanuel, Shepard, Jack Jones, Suze Damaki and more 28 years ago. And now you've got the new album, which is just amazing. You are performing tonight at the Gov. And for all your accolades, of which there are many, like you guys had such an incredible run, your live shows are what it's all about. We'll see you tonight at the Gov. Tickets are still available at austix.com.au or if you go to the Gov website.
01:38:36
Speaker 4: I think there might only be a dozen tickets left.
01:38:40
Speaker 2: Adelaide, people know someone. They'll squeeze you in. Hey, can I have one of the last 12? Hey, before you go, thank you again for coming in.
01:38:46
Speaker 9: Thank you.
01:38:47
Speaker 4: And I've got to say, Adelaide is absolutely beautiful right now. I just, apart from the power outage, but really, what.
01:38:53
Speaker 9: A stunning day.
01:38:54
Speaker 4: It's just, I feel like there's a real buzz and, It's like the food, wine, music vibe is alive and well.
01:39:02
Speaker 9: In this town.
01:39:02
Speaker 2: You picked a good day. Nice day of sunshine.
01:39:04
Speaker 9: You're being humble.
01:39:05
Speaker 2: I didn't realise quite the Clive Davis connection too. You know, when Clive passes, legendary music person too. Like he was in, we need to thank him too for you and us.
01:39:16
Speaker 4: He didn't, he passed just a couple of weeks before we released Permission to Shine with Guy.
01:39:21
Speaker 6: Yep.
01:39:22
Speaker 4: And it made me go exactly back to that place, 1999 New York, when he listened to us in the conference room and was giving us Permission to Shine on a tape, you know, the folky kind of version.
01:39:34
Speaker 9: And we initially thought, hmm, this might be a little bit too cheesy. Shame on us. We made it our own.
01:39:41
Speaker 4: And, you know, lo and behold, Golden Ears, Clive Davis was indeed very right. It was our second biggest single after Buses and Trains. And if a four-minute pop song could save a life, well, it's apparently saved many. It really has made a difference to a lot of people. So I'm very genuinely grateful that I can lean into a song like that. I can just shut up and sing the song, and it has more power than anything I would ever say.
01:40:05
Speaker 2: Well done. Well, it's lovely to have you here. Thanks for coming back to visit Adelaide. Please do it again.
01:40:10
Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely.
01:40:11
Speaker 1: Make sure you come back.
01:40:12
Speaker 4: We will not be, you know, like there's been a long time in between drinks for our shows in Adelaide.
01:40:17
Speaker 9: We will not leave you out, Adelaide.
01:40:19
Speaker 8: Excellent.
01:40:19
Speaker 9: We'll be back early next year.
01:40:21
Speaker 2: And I promise that next time you're here, we'll have working elevators. No more stairs for T-Doco. I promise you.
01:40:26
Speaker 9: What's going on with, is this a common thing in the city?
01:40:29
Speaker 2: In the particular area that you were in, yes. We've had four or five. There was a fire, then there was a huge flood, there was a few issues. So those poor businesses have had to deal with it and then they think it's fixed and the next week.
01:40:41
Speaker 9: It happens again.
01:40:41
Speaker 2: That's not good.
01:40:42
Speaker 9: Lucky I'm on the 16th floor with a stunning view. A stunning view.
01:40:45
Speaker 2: That's right. See, if you weren't a rock star, you'd be on floor one and you wouldn't have a great story to tell. I know, here we go.
01:40:51
Speaker 9: That's so good, I want to do it again. That's part of the story.
01:40:53
Speaker 8: 100%.
01:40:53
Speaker 2: You see? The great Tanya Doko, Bachelor Girl, tonight at the Gov.
01:40:59
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:41:02
Speaker 2: 27 minutes to 3. Milasha very shortly with the latest 5AA news headlines. On the other side of 3.30, Matt Maloney's going to join us from Adelaide's Sportscard World. We spoke to Matt a couple of weeks ago on the show. We had a number of people call up and ask questions about the whole sportscard industry. We weren't able to get to those calls, so we can take those this afternoon. If you've got a question about this whole thing, about opening up these cards and not just having something to keep and enjoy, but also potentially make you some money, like the young Adelaide person who pulled a NBA card, the National Basketball Association there in America, which is now worth $ 160, 000 for one card. How does that work? We'll speak to Matt about that in just one moment. Before headlines, I'll tell you who doesn't mess around. So I just got an email during the break, and I want to thank the good folk at Wild Turkey. Because I just literally, you heard, Sam Caffone was on here from Powers just minutes ago, courtesy of Emily from Wild Turkey, saying that they heard the segment regarding the Wild Turkey Austin Nichols Archives Gold Foil Edition. And we might have to do some taste testing and sampling on the show.
01:42:18
Speaker 13: Wow.
01:42:19
Speaker 2: That might be a Caesar from North Adelaide visit coming on. Let me work on that, Cesar, but thank you. Wild Turkey, appreciate that. We talked about the bird flu. Sadly, it has now been found in a dolphin in Goolwa. Here is the latest from the press conference.
01:42:31
Speaker 20: While this is a sad event, it is not an unexpected event. They do share some common landscape, as in the dolphin shares that with birds. So we can anticipate that that was going to occur.
01:42:44
Speaker 13: It is obviously a.
01:42:46
Speaker 20: Concerning update and we recognise that that is disappointing. in terms of seeing that spread across. But as I say, not unexpected.
01:42:57
Speaker 2: Skye Froyan also went on to talk about seals and sea lions.
01:43:00
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we know through national risk... There's been a great amount of work done nationally, so led through the Federal Department of Environment, looking at risks to wildlife. And through that assessment by experts, we know that dolphins are highly susceptible, which means they're at risk. There are not a lot of cases globally of H5 bird flu in dolphins or porpoises, which are related species. There are a small number. And that small number is probably due to two things. One, that they're less likely to be found and reported because they are obviously living in the ocean all the time. But also that they don't come onto land and congregate closely, like, for example, the seals and sea lions. So the seals and sea lions continue to be Our greatest concern in terms of mammals that could be at risk for bird flu.
01:43:52
Speaker 2: Bit of a concern though, isn't it? Kind of feel like we've seen this movie before. Mel Usher has headlines for us next. Can't watch that Nepal footage. It reminds me of like September 11. You just know that more bodies are going to be found. So heartbreaking.
01:44:09
Speaker 12: It is.
01:44:10
Speaker 18: That wall of water is just– I heard you say earlier that it looks like AI or it looks like CGI or a movie or something, and it does. Yeah, it's really– I mean, I've seen movies that look like that. And, well, look what happened to Banda Aceh all those years ago. I mean, it's terrible. And they're saying it's like a Himalayan tsunami.
01:44:32
Speaker 2: That's right. Even where people are like walking through the city centre and then they're just engulfed by this wave, you would think, would you not be aware? But clearly there's a speed to it where it's rolling through.
01:44:43
Speaker 18: Yeah, I don't think your little legs could carry you if that was coming up behind you. But also we're hearing stories of people who just got out of the area prior to it hitting. You know, there were different tour groups that would have been basically in the firing line of a wall of water, but... You know, wrong place, wrong time.
01:45:02
Speaker 3: Oh, man.
01:45:03
Speaker 18: You know, it's absolutely shocking.
01:45:05
Speaker 2: And second one on the way. It's like an aftershock that we see sometimes with potentially earthquakes.
01:45:11
Speaker 18: Yeah, Mother Nature and the elements can really give it to us, can't they?
01:45:15
Speaker 2: On another news front, just quickly, the power outage. Poor old Tanya Doko got caught up in the power outage in the city.
01:45:22
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah. We've had this a little bit too much lately, haven't we?
01:45:26
Speaker 2: Seems like the same spot keeps getting hit.
01:45:28
Speaker 18: Yeah, this kind of spot, this sort of 500 businesses and shops kind of in this little pocket with Rundle Mall and Rundle Street and Pulteney Street. And here at 5AA, obviously, we are a radio station. And because of that, we have a generator. So, you know, we aren't inconvenienced to the point that other people are. But when you have to start shutting your shops at lunchtime, you know, several times in a month, I'm sure... Some of these retailers are really angry.
01:45:53
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:45:53
Speaker 2: People are running out of coals. They're just grabbing stuff and going because I'm assuming cameras aren't working, lights aren't working. Yes, of course. Checkouts aren't working. So the kids are just bolting with them, which is terrible.
01:46:03
Speaker 18: I mean, they seem to get the power back on a little bit quicker this time as to what they did a few weeks ago. I mean, it was all back on pretty much by 2 o'clock. And they were sort of saying 230. But, you know, any outage is not good when you're a business owner.
01:46:17
Speaker 2: Lucky she's a pocket rocket. She's got a good diaphragm. She wasn't puffing at all from her 16 flights of stairs.
01:46:23
Speaker 18: She is a pocket rocket. The voice that comes out of her is absolutely phenomenal. I mean, I've seen her live a couple of times, and she's just this tiny little thing that ….
01:46:35
Speaker 2: Don't want to be Hidas. What do you reckon? How tall would she be?
01:46:37
Speaker 18: Hidas? I don't think she's five foot even.
01:46:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, she'd be close.
01:46:41
Speaker 18: Not that it matters.
01:46:42
Speaker 8: No.
01:46:42
Speaker 18: Because obviously when she belts out a song, I mean, jeez.
01:46:46
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:46:48
Speaker 2: I'm six or three and I can't sing. Look at her. She's five foot and got one of the great voices in this country.
01:46:52
Speaker 18: And I'm neither tall nor small and I can't sing. So I'll go back to the newsroom.
01:46:56
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mel. We'll see you at four.
01:46:59
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:47:03
Speaker 2: 24 minutes to 4. Sports show on the way very shortly. Stephen Rowe, Tim Ginniver. Gee, a bit of movement in the Port Adelaide coaching ranks today too, so they will be all over that from 4 o'clock and we'll award our Adelaide show Family Pass before we wrap up too. Delighted to welcome my next guest back to the studio. It felt like only a couple of weeks ago that he was here. In fact, it was, but we had to get him back because we feel like we're taking a little bit of ownership of this, Matt. Like, Shani, who looks after your accounts here at 5AA, she said, the show clearly is a good luck charm. So we thought, let's invite you back, say hello again. We also had a lot of calls that we couldn't get to. So if you do have a question for Matt Maloney from Sportscard World, he is here. Sportscard World, you had a bit of excitement.
01:47:46
Speaker 13: We did. I was in here Friday, two weeks ago, I think it was. And yeah, on the Sunday, we had a customer come in and a little bit undecided with what he wanted to buy, but he wanted to buy... a box of NBA, and he wanted to get a Victor Weminyama card.
01:48:01
Speaker 2: Now, we should say Victor Weminyama is the French player who plays for San Antonio. He's like an alien. He is.
01:48:10
Speaker 13: He's 7'20.
01:48:11
Speaker 7: 4', 7'5.
01:48:12
Speaker 2: Already, people are talking he'll be arguably the best player ever. Yeah, one of the greatest. Because he defends and he shoots and he's amazing.
01:48:18
Speaker 13: So, yeah, after. a bit of indecision, one of our staff members, Nick, said maybe go box these Topps Chrome value boxes. They're nice cards and you can get Victor Weminyama signature cards and all sorts in there.
01:48:32
Speaker 2: Retails for what, this box?
01:48:34
Speaker 13: These ones are $ 150. $ 150. So you get six packs of cards in there.
01:48:38
Speaker 2: Oh my Lord.
01:48:38
Speaker 13: And, uh, lo and behold, he was like, I'm going to open it here. So Nick and one of the other young guys, Blake were, you know, we'll get the sleeves. Hopefully you get something good. And, uh, next minute, uh, there was that moment where he sort of pulled the cards and they could see that it had this like gold shimmer. And it's like, yeah, that's, that's a one-on-one I think. And then to everyone's surprise and delight, it was Victor Weminyama. And, uh, Yeah, the card was placed on the counter. The customer, Johnny, hands on head, screaming. Everyone in the shop was like, what's going on? And yeah, it was one of those moments.
01:49:12
Speaker 2: So we can see it now on our live stream, YouTube and Facebook. That is the card. It is a one of one Victor Wimbinyama. What's the gold?
01:49:21
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's like a super fractor.
01:49:22
Speaker 2: Super fractor.
01:49:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:49:24
Speaker 2: So a box of cards that cost him 100 plus dollars. What's the value? Now, we're also watching this as courtesy of your CCTV, so thank you for that. This is the actual moment. We've got some audio for those who aren't able to see it. There you can see him. He's just pulled the card.
01:49:39
Speaker 13: There we go.
01:49:40
Speaker 2: He thinks he's won across the lotto. Everyone comes around. What are they talking about? Everyone's cool, calm and collected, except he is not because he's just realised that he's pulled a card that might be worth some money. So from a $ 100- plus box of basketball cards, what is the value, Matt, of the one-of-one Victor Weminyama card?
01:50:00
Speaker 13: Well, he had lots of offers coming through, and I believe the highest offer that he had was $ 115, 000. So about $ 160, 000 Australian.
01:50:10
Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord.
01:50:11
Speaker 13: Yeah, he's Chinese. He's an aviation or a pilot, a student pilot.
01:50:16
Speaker 7: Yep.
01:50:16
Speaker 13: He's been studying here in Adelaide, and he does commercial flying between here and China.
01:50:21
Speaker 2: There he is.
01:50:21
Speaker 13: 18 years old.
01:50:22
Speaker 2: Look at him.
01:50:23
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:50:23
Speaker 2: He's now $ 100, 000 rich. Are you aware? Is he going to sell it?
01:50:28
Speaker 13: Yeah, I believe so. At the time, he was like, I think I'll keep it. But, yeah, I think he's either sold it or he's in that negotiation, that final stage. But, yeah. Potentially, if he threw it out there and he really promoted it and maybe got it to one of the US, the big auction places, I personally think he could get maybe over $ 200, 000 Australian dollars.
01:50:48
Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord.
01:50:50
Speaker 13: But if it's a quick sale, easy sale, he might be comfortable with that.
01:50:54
Speaker 2: So do you know what I've noticed, Matt, which is interesting? So I follow various American athletes on social media where Tom Brady is looking for cards of his own. These are so rare, the cards.
01:51:05
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:51:06
Speaker 2: There's every chance that Victor Wiminyama himself might like to buy the card from you.
01:51:11
Speaker 13: Quite often you'll see players, they'll put out like a, we spoke about bounties the other week, but they might put on their social media, like they've just signed a card. It's a one-of-one, and they've inscribed it with something, and they're like, if you get this card, hit me up. Like, I want to buy it off you. So, yeah, there's definitely athletes that collect their stuff or maybe their unique stuff they're really keen on.
01:51:29
Speaker 2: So the 5AA listeners who aren't familiar with the sports card trading world that we're talking about, the equivalent, I guess, is a news agency that sells a winning cross-lotto ticket where they get the certificate on the wall. Is that the highest card that's been pulled in the store, to your knowledge?
01:51:43
Speaker 13: Yeah, technically. We had a card... that was pulled back in 1998. It was a Michael Jordan autograph card with a bit of his game-worn jersey, and there was only 23 in the world. At the time, that sold for $ 15, 000 Australian dollars, which was huge.
01:51:58
Speaker 2: Good money.
01:51:59
Speaker 13: In today's market, that card would probably sell for like 1.5 mil. That got pulled at your store? That got pulled, yeah. It was 1998. The customer still comes in. He's a regular customer of ours. Has he got it?
01:52:09
Speaker 8: No, no.
01:52:10
Speaker 13: He sold it.
01:52:10
Speaker 7: He was 18 years old.
01:52:13
Speaker 13: And that was– so $ 15, 000 back then was hundreds of thousands of dollars technically in the market of what it was then.
01:52:22
Speaker 2: So what do you say to people when they come in? Are you the hold it– the Kenny Rogers, know when to hold them, know when to fold them?
01:52:29
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:52:29
Speaker 2: Are you holding onto your cards to see the value skyrocket?
01:52:32
Speaker 13: I think there's certain things you will.
01:52:33
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:52:34
Speaker 13: The Wemba Yama card, I mean, that's definitely life-changing money, and especially for the investment that he had in it, an 18-year-old. I mean, it doesn't matter what age. I mean, getting $ 150, 000 is a lot of money.
01:52:47
Speaker 2: So we should say these boxes of cards go all around the US, all of the stores in the US, all around Europe, all around Australia, Asia. Yeah, and this set.
01:52:56
Speaker 13: Was released back or just before Christmas last year. So that product's been out there, and We've had heaps of boxes come through the store. So the literal NBA.
01:53:11
Speaker 2: Needle in a haystack this kid has pulled in your store.
01:53:15
Speaker 13: In our store, yeah.
01:53:16
Speaker 2: It is bonkers. Channel 9 jumped on the story straight away.
01:53:19
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
01:53:22
Speaker 7: Oh, my goodness. I was tripping at that time, and I was shocked.
01:53:26
Speaker 2: In the whole store, people saw that. That's crazy.
01:53:29
Speaker 17: And right now, I can still.
01:53:31
Speaker 7: Believe it, you know.
01:53:32
Speaker 2: I'm going to argue that's the most exciting thing that's happened to him in his 18 years. It would be hard to comprehend.
01:53:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:53:37
Speaker 13: I mean, flying planes is pretty cool, but yeah, that shock and that emotion of getting it.
01:53:45
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:53:45
Speaker 13: I guess the store was relatively busy, so the- reaction of others around him would have been, yeah, that made the moment as well, I think.
01:53:52
Speaker 2: It went from two in the store or three in the store around him to all of a sudden like a throng of people around him.
01:53:57
Speaker 13: Yeah, and you hear this, you hear a little kid, he was down looking at the Pokemon cards and he was like, what is it?
01:54:03
Speaker 2: What is it?
01:54:03
Speaker 13: What is it? And you could see him just squeeze his way between people to get in to see what the card was.
01:54:08
Speaker 2: So then you put it straight in a plastic sleeve because you don't want any damage to that card because the more damage, the less money it's worth.
01:54:15
Speaker 13: Yeah, and obviously being a one-of-one, it's like, You can't get a better– like, it is what it is sort of thing. But, yeah, you want to protect that you don't want getting any scratches, fingerprints or anything like that.
01:54:26
Speaker 2: I even wondered how he got it home. Yeah.
01:54:30
Speaker 13: Or even you see in the video, like, young Blake that works for us, he was about to put it in. He was wiping his hands because he goes, my palms were all sweaty. He was nervous for him.
01:54:38
Speaker 19: Yeah.
01:54:40
Speaker 13: He did the right thing and handled the card appropriately.
01:54:42
Speaker 2: Do you know, we've had that a few times on the sports show over the years where they occasionally bring in the Melbourne Cup. And you get to hold the Melbourne Cup, but there is a security guard with it. There are white gloves that we all have to put on because, again, they do not want anything touching that trophy.
01:54:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
01:54:57
Speaker 2: Let alone a... That's just... It's crazy. How many people are coming in? And by the way, Matt Maloney's here from Sportscard World. If you've got a question about cards, I know we had some callers... who may want to know more about this particular exercise, how many people do you think are coming in hoping and praying for that big payday versus people that if you don't pull the one of one, you've still got these cool cards. It's art that you can collect.
01:55:20
Speaker 13: I think after something like this happens, it's maybe the new collector that's like, oh, maybe that could be me. So we've had in the last week or so people coming in And we've had a lot of Chinese students.
01:55:34
Speaker 2: Of course.
01:55:35
Speaker 13: Because it apparently blew up on a Chinese TikTok or something. It absolutely blew up on that. And they were coming in, pointing to a photo, like, do you have this box? No, we've sold out. Did this man get it here?
01:55:48
Speaker 17: Yes.
01:55:48
Speaker 13: And then it was, oh, you're a lucky shop. So it was like, yeah. And then other people just come in going, oh, I saw that card pool. Like, you know, what box can I get? Something like that. Well, you've got a chance in anything. But again- The odds of something that rare, and it's not just about getting a one-on-one, it's then getting the right player. Because if it's a lesser player, it's not worth anywhere near the amount as if it's him or Steph Curry or LeBron James or something like that.
01:56:12
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing? That's the world of technology we live in now, where there's every chance there's the 5AA of Asia or the 5AA of America who are talking about this book because they see it on social media.
01:56:22
Speaker 13: And we had messages from people in the US like, can you put me in touch with a guy? I'm a serious buyer. It got shared over and over again, so I've had people reach out from all over the world going, oh, congratulations, that got pulled in your store.
01:56:36
Speaker 2: It's amazing. This one says, how much are Michael Jordan rare air sets worth? Is Jordan still the pinnacle of cards?
01:56:45
Speaker 13: Yeah, Jordan's, just in recent time, his cards have taken a bigger spike as well, even the, what we say, lower value. Stuff from the early 90s, which we find that was... They were mass-produced, but people are trying to get them graded now, and in higher grades, there's a short supply, so the price is increasing.
01:57:03
Speaker 2: I forgot to send you my phone. I'm going to send it when I get home. I've got two or three that I put straight in the sleeve.
01:57:08
Speaker 13: Yeah, the Rare Rare cards, they mass-produce them, and so they're only really a few dollars each, but we spoke about it as well the last time I was in. There's one of his cards, which they discovered had the Menendez brothers in the background, which is in the Rare Rare set. That makes that card really valuable, but... I think that's just a bit of hype at the moment. And overall, those cards probably sell for like $ 3 or $ 4 each.
01:57:30
Speaker 2: Do you have the conversation, maybe not at work, because the people who come in to see you, they know what you're all about. When you're chatting to people at parties or functions and stuff, I imagine there are people listening to us right now who are scratching their head working out. It's a bit like when you see people who are influencers or they do whatever. Like this is a serious thing. I sort of put it in the realm of like the sneaker collectors. There's a lot of us who find it hard to believe that there is a market for people. I've got a pair of Jordan 4s and I can get X amount of dollars for it in this condition. Cards are the same.
01:58:03
Speaker 13: Cards are the same, yeah. And I tell people like, I mean, I've been doing this for over 30 years. So in the 90s, basketball card or sports, card collecting was really popular but was seen to be a bit of a niche, like, they're a bit nerdy or something if you collect cards. So it was a different conversation talking to, say, family and friends then compared to now. People are actually asking me, like, I saw that about your store. I saw someone, you know, spent millions of dollars on a Tom Brady card or whatever. It's actually become more of a conversation and it's become cool. So, yeah, that's good.
01:58:36
Speaker 2: Do people come in? We've got a text message here saying, I'm sorting out my kids' stuff and I found a Pokemon card. I don't even know how to pronounce this. I'm going to go with... fioco 80 are they do people come in and say is it worth anything yeah do people come and see you and say hey the kids have got this.
01:58:53
Speaker 13: Yep and there's certain like websites and apps that we use to price cards up so for pokemon there's an app you can do called collector okay and that basically every card has a card number down the bottom you search that number or come up with a card you can get an idea of its value depending on its condition and everything like that and that's what we use so that's.
01:59:12
Speaker 2: You guys are region arcade in the city. It's no different really to some of the older listeners and older generations who collected coins and then work out that all of a sudden this 1956 penny is worth X amount.
01:59:23
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's exactly the same. And it can be, you know, older stuff. It could be certain years. So one year you think it's an older thing and there was a lot of them around and then one particular year they're really rare and that makes them, especially with the old cigarette cards and stuff. But yeah, modern stuff, it's, player driven and do.
01:59:41
Speaker 2: You know what i admire about your industry i saw a documentary once i want to say it was i want to say it was mcdonald's and monopoly where if there is huge amounts of money to be made yeah it's a little bit like this kind of um uh you know almost not not to the extent like the ushis if you can find something rare yeah and you work at a business where you can get them you probably got the jump on most people when it comes to these yeah i'm i'm impressed that a one-of-one Victor Wimbinyama card can make its way to Adelaide.
02:00:10
Speaker 8: Yeah.
02:00:10
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to the guy who saw it come off the print press, put it in the plastic, which I'm guessing is automated now. That's why. But, you know, like it would be such an easy thing to do, you would think, for someone who's in the industry to be able to shuffle that.
02:00:24
Speaker 13: Yeah, and I'm guessing everything's randomized, so people don't know where things go around the world. Yeah.
02:00:28
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to a factory that makes it? Do you know where they make those?
02:00:32
Speaker 13: No, I've seen some docos online and everything, but no, I've never been to one, which would be very interesting. But, yeah, to think, yeah, our store and, you know, there's lots of stores all around the world and for it to come here. And, yeah, some people have come in and gone, oh, I bet you're annoyed that you didn't open that box. And it's like, well, yeah, sure, $ 160, 000 would be nice.
02:00:51
Speaker 10: Yes.
02:00:53
Speaker 13: What we sell is the collector experience. So that collector's got that, and the exposure that it's given our business is more than I could pay in advertising.
02:01:02
Speaker 2: You guys don't. Do you open boxes yourself?
02:01:04
Speaker 8: Yeah, we do.
02:01:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
02:01:05
Speaker 18: Okay.
02:01:05
Speaker 13: And every now and then you get a good car.
02:01:07
Speaker 2: Are they for your personal, or do you sometimes open and then sell what you find?
02:01:11
Speaker 13: Yeah, for the business. So you've got a range of single cars from new releases and everything.
02:01:16
Speaker 20: Oh, yeah.
02:01:16
Speaker 2: I often think, again, the athlete's family.
02:01:20
Speaker 13: Yeah, we get footy players, like their parents come in or their aunties or whatever.
02:01:25
Speaker 2: Because I know you do a lot with the AFL boys, don't you, where they'll pop in and they'll come into the store.
02:01:29
Speaker 13: Yeah, we do trade days and they have signings. And then we've got a few of the port boys, collectors, and some guys from interstate teams when they're visiting. Like this year we had Geelong players, Carlton players all in buying cards and interacting. It was really good.
02:01:42
Speaker 2: Buying their own?
02:01:44
Speaker 13: No, not their own. They're normally buying basketball, soccer, NFL. I mean, they do look at the AFL counters, but yeah.
02:01:49
Speaker 2: Of course they do.
02:01:50
Speaker 13: See if they're worth anything.
02:01:51
Speaker 2: Mike asked a Babe Ruth card. Is it generational? Like is a card of today, like Wemby's huge today?
02:01:57
Speaker 17: Yeah.
02:01:58
Speaker 2: Versus heritage like someone like a Babe Ruth.
02:02:00
Speaker 13: Yeah so vintage especially like vintage baseball um yeah Babe Ruth Mickey Mantle their cards the original stuff yeah some of those yeah huge money like Mickey Mantle's 52 rookie card I mean they they sell for millions of dollars do they still do.
02:02:15
Speaker 2: So the cards that have been created today are they creating cards of players that aren't playing.
02:02:20
Speaker 13: Yeah still yeah so baseball they'll still yeah they'll still be like Babe Ruth cards and Mickey Mantle and In the NBA, there'd be Magic Johnson and Larry Bird and those sorts of players, yeah.
02:02:30
Speaker 2: So, again, you told us last time the pyramid, NBA's number one still?
02:02:33
Speaker 13: Yeah, for us here, yeah. I think, obviously, in America, baseball would be right up there. But I think, yeah, NBA across the world, soccer's really on the rise as well. And then you've sort of got those other, you know, baseball, NFL for us here is really good as well.
02:02:46
Speaker 2: Pokemon Sport. Which one?
02:02:50
Speaker 13: We probably sell volume Pokemon.
02:02:53
Speaker 7: I don't get it.
02:02:54
Speaker 2: But... It's not my.
02:02:55
Speaker 13: Yeah, probably more sales, individual sales of Pokemon, but sports cards... They're spending more on like a box or a single card.
02:03:02
Speaker 2: So people are listening to it. They come into sports card world. They buy a box. Is it the shinier the card, the more likely it's special?
02:03:09
Speaker 13: No, not necessarily. Because these days there's cards that it looks a million dollars, but it's not a million dollars.
02:03:14
Speaker 15: Okay.
02:03:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's almost a way that you do it. Like this is not good for the live stream, but you know. You don't want to just rip open your.
02:03:20
Speaker 13: Packet and slide. No, no, it's a reveal. You might go, you know, like four or five cards in, and then you see the colour of it, and you're like, oh, if that's, you know, if it's a gold.
02:03:29
Speaker 2: It's like a teaser, really.
02:03:30
Speaker 13: Yeah, the gold might be numbered to 10, and you know you've got one, and then, oh, it wasn't a good player.
02:03:34
Speaker 2: What a world we live in. That's your job. Yeah, that's it.
02:03:36
Speaker 13: It's good fun.
02:03:36
Speaker 2: That's amazing, isn't it? Where do we find you if people want to come and get involved themselves?
02:03:40
Speaker 13: Yes, we're in the Region Arcade just off of Rundle Mall.
02:03:43
Speaker 2: Yep.
02:03:44
Speaker 13: Open seven days a week, and if I could... We're doing a TV show, which we're working on season two of Cards and Collectibles Australia.
02:03:52
Speaker 1: Excellent.
02:03:52
Speaker 13: So not just cards, but all types of collectibles, which you can see on Channel 9, 5 p.m. on Sundays on Nine Go. Oh, good. And stream it on Nine Now. So this is the second season. So there's about 15 episodes that you can stream.
02:04:05
Speaker 2: And it's on this weekend?
02:04:06
Speaker 13: On this weekend, yeah. This will be, I think it's the fifth episode. But, yeah, there's card collecting, figurines, vintage toys, all sorts. But, yeah, it's something we've worked on and been very proud to do, and it's been well received.
02:04:20
Speaker 2: Well done. So Matt Maloney, Sports Car World and TV star.
02:04:23
Speaker 13: That's our role.
02:04:24
Speaker 6: How?
02:04:24
Speaker 2: All right. Please let me know if you get another $ 100. plus $ 1, 000 card in the next couple of days.
02:04:29
Speaker 13: Yeah, hopefully we'll be back in next week.
02:04:30
Speaker 2: You'll be back in every week, mate. We'll have a weekly segment. Good on you, Matt. Thanks for coming in.
02:04:34
Speaker 13: I appreciate it.
02:04:34
Speaker 2: Sports Card World, Region Arcade in the City.
02:04:37
Speaker 1: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
02:04:41
Speaker 2: So the Outlaid show starts tomorrow week. We're about eight days away from the show. It is presented by Drake's. If you miss it, you will have a serious case of showmo. All week we've been giving family passes on the show. Four tickets, you can buy them at theshow.com.au or you might be lucky enough to win them here. Drake Supermarkets, of course, you can always get your show tickets as well. And congratulations to our winner, which Madeline tells me is Barbara. So congratulations to you, Barbara. I don't have the suburb here on that, but we will know how to find you. We will have your number here somewhere. Campbelltown, Barbara from Campbelltown. So congratulations to you. Four tickets are coming your way. And again, I hope and I think that we have more tickets to give away next week on the show. We will be at the Royal Adelaide Show for 5AA Afternoons. So you can come and see us if you are heading along from the Monday to Friday. Starts obviously Saturday of not tomorrow, but next week. And then we will be there if you want to come and visit us. Sports Show is a minute and a half away. I don't think Timmy is here. So we'll find out what's coming up on the big show after four o'clock. He's coming. Am I padding? Here he is. Oh, Timothy. Lovely to see you, Matt, Tim, Tim. He just pulled a $ 100, 000 card from his.
02:06:00
Speaker 2: Oh, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
02:06:01
Speaker 13: Nothing up my sleeve.
02:06:04
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. Thank you for coming in. In a second or two, you've got a big show.
02:06:08
Speaker 11: Indeed we do. Of course, Wild Card Round is here. Hanish McLaughlin will come on and preview that for Channel 7.
02:06:12
Speaker 2: Excellent.
02:06:13
Speaker 11: All live and free, as you know it will be. And then, of course, we'll have lots of good fun coming on the show. But we'll also have a special guest, Scott Burns, from the Adelaide Crows, to see how they're preparing with this week off, which is terrific. Campo comes on. Tells us he's in Melbourne as we speak. He'll give us a little bit of an insight.
02:06:32
Speaker 1: He's doing one of the games.
02:06:33
Speaker 11: I think it's Saturday night, which is Carl v. Melbourne, as you may be aware.
02:06:37
Speaker 2: Flying out tomorrow morning. Red eye.
02:06:40
Speaker 11: It is happening. And we've got a great bit of fun tonight. We saw the Legends game last night. Favola do a knee. When did your sporting comeback not go so well?
02:06:50
Speaker 7: Love it.
02:06:51
Speaker 2: Love it. We'll be listening from four.