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It was the end of the semester at UCLA. Students
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were finishing exams, celebrating, and preparing to head home for
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the holidays. A freshman named Michael joined friends at a
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dorm party before winding down with a late night computer
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game with another friend in the building in the early
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morning hours, he stepped out to congratulate his friend on
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the win. Then he headed back toward his room. From
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that moment on, Michael was never seen again. In missing
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persons cases, people will often say someone vanished into thin air,
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and in Michael's case, that phrase feels hauntingly true now
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over twenty five years later. Those closest to him rely
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on the hope that someone will come forward with the
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clue that makes a difference. I'm your host, Megan, and
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each week on a Simpler Time True Crime, I cover
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older unsolved cases and challenge the idea that a simpler
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time means a safer time. This week, I'm bringing to
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you the unsolved disappearance of Michael Negretti. I want to
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give a heartfelt thank you to listener Aaron s who
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reached out by email and encouraged me to cover this case.
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I knew about it, but I'll be honest, I hesitated.
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It's one of those cases that stirs a lot of
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debate online, and I didn't want to simply add to
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the noise. But once I started digging in, I realized
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that the lack of solid, verifiable information and has created
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a maze of theories, and it's easy to get lost
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in it. At the heart of it, though, is a
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kind and talented young man and a family who had
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him with them one day and lost him the next
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without any warning or answers. They've been left holding both
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worst case fears and small threads of hope. My goal
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today is to walk you through what is actually known,
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touch on the theories with care, and encourage you to
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stay open minded with me, because at the time of
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this recording, there truly are no definitive answers. So let's
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get into it. It was December of nineteen ninety nine.
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As the year two thousand approached, a wave of anxiety
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swept across the world over what came to be known
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as the Y two K bug. Computers had long been
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programmed to record years with just two digits, like ninety
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nine for nineteen ninety nine. The fear was that when
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the clocks rolled over to zero. Systems everywhere might interpret
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it as nineteen hundred instead of two thousand, potentially causing
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failures in banks, hospitals, power grids, and even airplanes. Governments, businesses,
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and IT professionals scrambled to fix the issue, and the
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media fed the sense of looming crisis. I myself remember
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it being all over the news, and I imagine Michael
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Negretti and his friends at UCLA were talking about it too,
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and predicting if it was something to really be worried
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about or if it was just going to be one
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big societal overreaction. Of course, we now know that when
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the clock struck midnight, the world carried on just fine.
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But all things point to Michael Negretti never getting to
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find this out, because the last time Michael was accounted
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for was the early morning hours of December tenth, nineteen
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ninety nine. Michael was a freshman at UCLA in the
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summer of nineteen ninety nine. He had graduated from Rancho
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Bernardo High School in San Diego. He was born on
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March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one, in Virginia to his parents,
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Mary and Miguel Negretti. After Michael would follow two more boys,
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Steve and Dave, and their family would be complete, and
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at some point the family moved to the Saber Springs
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neighborhood of San Diego. Saber Springs has around ten thousand
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people in it. It's one of those master planned communities
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with a big suburban vibe to it. Lots of houses
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on these rolling hillsides, and also lots of amenities like
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parks and good schools, and from everything I can tell,
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it's considered an upper middle class neighborhood. Michael was a
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gifted musician who played the steel drums in the trumpet,
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and because of his musical talent, he was awarded a
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scholarship to UCLA, which is about two and a half
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hours north of where he graduated from. During that first
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freshman semester at UCLA, Michael seemed to be doing really well.
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He had made friends, He was involved with music gigs
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on and off campus. He was actually part of a
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band called Island Fever, and all of his bandmates were
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a bit older than him, But they'd later say that
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they had him join not only because of how amazing
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he was musically. They said he was really reliable and
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a responsible kid who they knew they could count on.
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He was getting good grades and was looking forward to
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wrapping up finals and going home to visit with his
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family for the holidays. Just before his disappearance, he spoke
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to his mother Mary and talked about his plans to visit,
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and she said he seemed completely normal and in good spirits.
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Michael lived on the sixth floor of Dykstra Hall on
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the UCLA campus, which was huge. It's a co ed
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building and there were around nine hundred students living in it.
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Besides music, Michael was an avid video game player, and
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something great about college campuses in nineteen ninety nine was
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that they were early adopters of advanced Internet and technol
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and so Michael was able to actually do online computer
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games with classmates who lived in other rooms in his
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residence hall on campus. On the evening of Thursday, December ninth,
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nineteen ninety nine, Michael attended a dorm party across the
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hall from his room. The person hosting the party was
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a good friend of his, someone who he had really
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hit it off with during that semester. His name was
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Ross Wolf, and I was able to see him do
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an interview with student reporters with the Daily Bruin, which
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is the UCLA student newspaper and its spinoff podcast, Ross
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and others who attended the party said it was pretty
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laid back for the most part. There was some drinking
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and listening to music, and Michael had been drinking some margaritas.
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Michael may have been a bit intoxicated or buzzed, but
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nobody had the impression that he was wasted and falling
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all over or anything. As that party wrapped up, he
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went back across the hall to his dorm to play
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a vide on the computer with a friend who lived
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on the hall. In that same Daily Bruin podcast about
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Michael's case that I referenced before, one student sat down
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with current day law enforcement who had reviewed Michael's case,
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specifically the early case notes, and they answered the question
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of how were they all gaming in nineteen ninety nine
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and what was the internet like? And as many people remember,
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a lot of people's home internet during this time was
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dial up internet, which it was really funny seeing the
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officers explaining that to students who were absolutely not born
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when dial up internet was having its moment. But in
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this case, the officer said that the UCLA campus had
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DSL Internet, so back then high speed internet and dorms
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wasn't the Wi Fi were used to you today. DSL
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used the regular phone line in their room, but ran
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through a special modem that gave a much faster always
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on connection than dial up. You'd plug in a chunky
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beige desktop PCs straight into it with a cable, and
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that made it possible to play games or share files
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with friends down the hall without tying up the phone line.
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Michael and his friend did this until computer record show
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he logged off at around three forty or three forty
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five am on Friday, December tenth. He then walked down
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the hallway to congratulate his friend who had won the game.
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There is never any definitive discussion over who this friend is,
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but a lot of the source material presents it as
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if they just sort of met up in the hallway,
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gave a quick handshake, and then Michael returned to his dorm.
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The source material also makes it seem like this friend
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was right on the same floor and down the hall,
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but unlike Ross Wolfe's party that we know was right
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across the hall because he said as much in an interview.
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There's nothing concrete that I can confirm with one hundred
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percent certainty that the guy he was playing computer games
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with was just down the hall, saying Michael departed his
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presence to head back to his room. That was the
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last confirmed sighting of Michael Negretti. His roommate was asleep
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when all of this was happening. At nine am, the
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roommate woke up and noticed Michael wasn't there, but all
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of his personal belongings were his shoes, his clothes, his wallet,
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all of his musical instruments, his toothbrush, anything of value.
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Just to be clear, it sounds like the clothes he
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was last seen wearing were missing along with him, but
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all the rest of his clothes were left behind. The
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next part isn't really clearly reported on. We don't know
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exactly the order in which people grew concerned, but we
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know that he missed a final exam and obligations with
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his band, and this was hugely out of character for him.
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Several sources say that not much happened over that first weekend,
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and that his parents were contacted about him missing his
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social and school engagements, and that it was that Monday
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that his parents filed the police report it was a
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little tricky with him going missing heading into a weekend,
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because those are a little less predictable on a college schedule.
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On a college campus, it's not uncommon for kids to
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leave for a weekend, and especially at this point in
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the semester. This is during finals time, so that definitely
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kind of threw a wrench into things. UCPD, which is
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the campus police department at UCLA, did start the search
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for Michael pretty quickly, though later articles would state that
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Michael's family thought their response was a bit lukewarm, sort
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of we've seen this before. A college student goes away
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for a few days and comes back, he'll turn up.
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And they were basically like, no, this isn't how he operates.
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His mother, Mary, actually told the La Times a few
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days into the search quote, He's usually quite aware of
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his schedule and the things he asked to do. This
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is a complete shock to me end quote. Police started
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by interviewing Michael's roommate as well as partygoer There's the
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friend down the hall who he had been playing the
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video game against, and eventually branched out to other people
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in Diykster Hall. Over the next several days, sent tracking
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dogs were used and followed his trail to a bus stop.
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This bus stop is at the corner of Sunset Boulevard
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and Bellagio Drive, and some sources say this is miles
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down the road. I mapped it and we'll have a
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picture on the Instagram at simpler time crime Pod, but
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it's only point seven miles away from Diykster Hall. Having
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said that, the police went on to say that his
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scent zigzagged all over campus. Now that could mean that
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the actual path from say a high level perspective was
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zigzagged if you were to do a bird's eye view
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over campus, or it could mean that his gate was zigzagging.
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I tend to think it's more the first scenario, because
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I think it would be hard for scent dogs to
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be so precise that they're picking up on someone's walking pattern.
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And it could also explain the longer mileage referenced in
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the source material, because they could be saying he didn't
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take a straight path to the bus stop. All of
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that conjecture may not even be important, though, because police
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would later say they didn't think the dogs were reliable
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and described them as possibly confused. In that recent interview
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with the student podcast The Daily brun Current law enforcement
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elaborated on that a little bit more, and it sounds
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like there were various jurisdictions on this search. There were
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opportunities where there could have been contamination that would have
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possibly misled the dogs. And also Michael attended this campus
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and walked all over it all the time, so it's
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possible that the dogs were picking up on his scent
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from his previous days of attending classes. Still, investigators spoke
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to all the company bus drivers and they passed around
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Michael's flyers to them as well as distributed them on buses,
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hoping anybody would recognize him. But nobody was able to
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place him on a bus or share that they had
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seen him since that night. Nancy Greenstein, the campus police
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spokesperson at the time, told the La Times quote, We've
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searched door to door, talked to his friends. He doesn't
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seem to have a girlfriend. We have no hints of
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where he could go or where he might be. That's
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why we're asking the public for assistance. And police truly
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did search door to door. Current law enforcement told The
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Daily Bruin that when they reviewed the old police files
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that it can confirm that officers spoke to everyone in
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that building and their search was comprehensive. They actually sent
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an officer down the garbage chute to look personally on
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the off chance that Michael suffered some sort of mishap
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or went down there after a more nefarious encounter on campus.
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Within a week of his disappearance, Michael's family created a
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website for him titled Please help Us Find Mike Negretti.
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Just before Christmas, Michael's case was featured on the Nash
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syndicated TV show Extra. His uncle Bill Klein said, quote,
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my hope is that Michael or someone who knows Michael
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or where he is, is going to pick up the
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phone and call. All his money, keys, and ID card
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were left behind in his dorm room. He left with nothing,
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no jacket, no toothbrush, nothing. Now, one question that has
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come up was did a campus like UCLA have surveillance
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or CCTV footage from back then? There has actually been
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internet rumors that footage exists of Michael leaving Dykstra Hall.
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But I've done a deep dive on this case, as
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have others, and no such footage is out there. In fact,
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I actually located an article in the Daily Bruin from
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the year Michael went missing, but before his disappearance that
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I've linked in the show notes. In it, they discuss
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the increase in campus surveillance footage, but it was primarily
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focused on helping to prevent retail theft in stores on campus.
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And I'll just read a few notes from the article here.
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It says departments such as Parking Services, the Administrative Cashier's Office,
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the Central Ticket Office, and the UCLA Store use security
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cameras to monitor visitors and employees. At Parking Services, two
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security cameras scan the customer lobby, while each employee entrance
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is equipped with a large security camera and card key scanner.
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with security cameras. Each of the cameras is connected to
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a VCR with a long record tape. The cameras are
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not monitored in real time. Other areas on campus which
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handle cash, such as the Central Ticket Office and the
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Administrative Cashier's Office in Murphy Hall, have security cameras. Another
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campus location with security cameras is the UCLA Store in
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Ackerman Union. The Ackerman Store has fifty four security cameras
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on the A level so that gives you a snapshot
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of where they were located on campus, and none of
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them mentioned having any in the dorm areas, pivoting back
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to searching the campus, though they also did a search
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of all construction sites. There was a ton of construction
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happening at UCLA at the time, and one theory was
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that Michael may have fallen into some sort of construction
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hazard and then his body was accidentally or intentionally buried
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in a construction site, but university police stated they searched
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this out completely and that they've ruled it out as
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a possibility. After the year two thousand rang in, the
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Negretti family and all those close to Michael felt a
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deeper sense of dread. With each day passing. They felt
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their hope of finding Michael safe and alive dwindling, and
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they were just as puzzled as ever. At this point,
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the campus police and university officials felt that Michael chose
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to leave on his own, but his family did not agree.
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They felt that Michael would not leave and not loop
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them in, and his mom told the North County Times quote,
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I honestly feel that the Michael I know would at
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least tell me where he was. My perception is of
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great puzzlement. I wonder where are you and why end quote.
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At Around this time, Michael's computer was turned over to
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an IT forensic technician to see if they could find
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any information about Michael's online behavior. Michael had an AOL
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instant Messenger account and was active in the gaming community.
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Had he met up with someone in a chat room
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or could they identify anyone he may have been talking
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to on the Internet. People were using chat rooms on
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AOL and MSN messaging a lot during this time, and
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learning about online safety and how dangerous this could be
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was a bit of the wild West at the time,
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millennial over here. And I remember being in online chat
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rooms without my family's knowledge and responding when people would
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put asl age sex location in there and just giving
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it out on the Internet. And then oftentimes my friends
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and I would be on these chat rooms and we
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would be giving fake information and we thought it was
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so funny. We had no sense of what could have happened.
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I think at the time many people still just held
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this belief that the Internet still held this great barrier
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between you and whoever was on the other side of it.
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But we know through a few tragic cases that that's
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wasn't the case, is not the case. And when I
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talk about simpler time true crime and how things weren't
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always simpler, really that was at this time where we
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were at a bit of a learning curve with how
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dangerous the Internet could be. But going back to the
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computer stuff, I'm not going to bury the lead, and
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even though this might be a little out of order,
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I'm going to just tell you the computer outcome. Now,
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something happened to Michael's computer that rendered tracing his usage impossible.
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Some websites say that his hard drive got corrupted or
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erased in error, and some point to the campus law
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enforcement is watching this. Some say when they turned it
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over to the FBI it happened. We don't know exactly
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the chain of events and whose custody the computer was
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in when this happened, but either way, this unfortunately was
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a dead end, which is bad because I personally believe
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it could have told us a lot of information. Despite
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this setback, Current day law enforcement told the Daily Bruined
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podcast that the original investigators did serve a search warrant
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to AOL to find any of his chat logs, and
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if that did produce anything. They aren't saying or releasing that,
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but I got the sense that it was a dead end.
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In January, a fundraising concert was held for Michael at
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Long Beach Poly High School and featured the school's jazz
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combo as well as a jazz solo vocalist and steel
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drum band. Michael loved jazz, and he used to walk
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around and sing jazz songs to himself, which when I
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was reading that, I couldn't help it smile to myself.
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It's those pieces that are mentioned about him, like how
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he was known to have a loud and sudden laugh
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that was very distinctive, and how he was an expert
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at reciting Simpson's trivia, and how he hates bare feet.
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It's those things that gave you the glimpses of the
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little idiosyncrasies that Michael had that we all have and
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reminds us that the people at the heart of these
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cases are so much more than the mystery that surrounds
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their final circumstances. It's those little things that we remember
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most about our loved ones when they're gone, and the
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things his family probably still thinks about to this day.
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The concert was ten dollars a ticket, and the money
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went back to the Michael Negretti Search Fund. A week later,
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Michael's family put up a five thousand dollars reward for information.
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At the end of January, there was another benefit concert,
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this time in Solana Beach. In March, Michael's name began
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showing up in the classified ads. In between people selling
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puppies and advertisements for childcare was a line that read
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missing persons, Please help Missing Michael Negretti, with a link
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to a phone number in the family run website. Michael's
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nineteenth birthday arrived with no sign of him, marking for
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his family yet another milestone passing without Michael, and about
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a week after his birthday, his parents told the paper
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that they believed their son was dead and that foul
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play was involved. On April thirteenth, two thousand, the Negretti
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family upped the reward to one hundred thousand dollars. Mary
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Negretti told the North County Times quote, I've always figured
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that something terrible happened to him, but there's no evidence
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of it. UCLA Police spokesperson Nancy Greenstein added the additional
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reward hopefully will lead to more information and will allow
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us to continue our investigation. Still, at this time, university
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officials in law enforcement stood by the fact that while
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they were completely baffled by the case, they had no
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indication that he had met with foul play. They felt
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it was just as likely that he suffered some sort
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of accident or had become disoriented and something had happened
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to him. The increased reward did not bring out any
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new substantial leads, and with that the university Police Department
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turned over the missing person's investigation to the Sheriff's office.
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In early June, his family and friends held a rally
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at UCLA. Mary Negretti said, quote, our goal is to
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attract a crowd of people, make some noise, and let
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the students see that there are still people who are
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actively looking for Michael. At the rally, they handed out
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missing persons flyers, pictures of Michael, and bumper stickers. Mary
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continued on by saying, if there are any students who
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are hold holding back any information about Michael and what
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may have happened to him, we hope this will show
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them that a lot of people have been and still
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are affected by Michael's disappearance. We want Michael to be
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utmost in students' minds before they scatter for the summer,
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and the Sheriff's department had the same idea, So while
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students were still present, they handed out a questionnaire to
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all nine hundred Dykster Hall residents, and after they got
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them back and started going through them, it was then
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in July of two thousand that something struck their attention.
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It was a detail in one of the surveys about
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a man in the dorms that night, someone who didn't
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quite fit in. One of the students reported that around
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four thirty am on the morning that Michael went missing,
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they witnessed a man who was inside Dykster Hall who
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looked like he didn't belong. He was white, with a
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stocky build, about five foot eight, and was in his
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mid thirties, so with most of the kids in the
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storm being eighteen to twenty years old, he stood out.
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Some sources say he was acting suspiciously and was in
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close proximity to Michael's dorm room, with one even saying
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that when this student went to pass him, he turned
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away and sort of obscured his face. This student was
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able to provide details for a composite sketch and all
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have that on the Instagram. Like many composite sketches, it's
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kind of generic, but it's what we have. Just how
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relevant is this information? That's hard to say. Some people
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have been skeptical as to why it took so long
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for this student to come forward, but one of the
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source material states that this student said they did come
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forward at the beginning, but no one did anything with it,
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so I don't know. Police said that they didn't want
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to treat this person as a suspect, but they wanted
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to speak with them in case they were a witness,
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you know, the classic approach. And unsurprisingly, this mystery person
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did not come forward. In all of the years since.
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With this man never being a identified, sleuths all over
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the internet have tried to do side by sides of
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people who may look like the composite sketch. I don't
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know how much you all followed the Delphi case out
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of Indiana, but that was another one where people relentlessly
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try to compare people to the suspect sketch. And it's
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really a tricky balance. On one hand, the power of
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community can be a great thing. It can generate possible
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leads or things to look into, But in general, the
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family feedback from that case was largely discouraging of the practice.
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It's a slippery slope because you end up putting people
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on trial with the court of public opinion, and we
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don't even know for sure that this person in Dexter
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Hall exists or if he holds any significance to Michael's disappearance.
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Having said that, a little bit later, as I get
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into the theories discussed in Michael's case, I'll be addressing
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the two most common composite sketch comparisons. The one year
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mark came with no new leads, and then another year
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passed After that. William Howell and Joe Purcell from the
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Sheriff's Department were completely baffled. They were interviewed along with
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Michael's parents. In an April two thousand and one interview
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with The LA Times, Sergeant Howell said, quote, it seems
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like there's nowhere to turn. This is a kid who
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wasn't inny lick of trouble. Usually those kinds of cases
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lead us in a certain direction. There's a light at
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the end of the tunnel. In this case, there's absolutely
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no certainty anywhere. It's maddening. Howell's partner, Joe Purcell went
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on to say, it's like he never walked the earth.
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At this stage in the investigation, Purcell and Howell were
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working in the homicide unit and Michael's case was finally
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being investigated. As such, he hadn't touched his bank cards
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or bank account since his disappearance. His social Security number
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hasn't been used. Howell also shared that they found a
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profiler within the Sheriff's department. He was an expert who
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tries to solve crimes by looking at statistical data and
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probing into criminal psychology, and the Sheriff's profile advised them
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that they had more than likely already interviewed somebody who
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knew what happened, and this just was really hard for Howell.
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He said, I just don't see it. If we've already
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interviewed somebody who knows what happened, we don't know it.
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I don't know it. I've been fooled. And if that's
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the case, I should just retire right now. The frustration
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can clearly be felt in this exchange, and Michael's family
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felt that, amongst a ton of other ever changing emotions themselves.
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They talked about how they had now spent two Christmases
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and two birthdays without him, and how they even tried
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to hold a small birthday celebration for him a few
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weeks back. The Negrettes gathered in their dining room with
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this little lemon cake and one single candle, and Mary
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said quote, it was pitiful. There was no joy, only
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emptiness and heartache. Later in the interview, Mary shared that
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she no longer felt she would ever see her son
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alive again, and only had hopes that someday someone would
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come forward with information to at least give her answers.
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In two thousand and three, Mary Negretti went on The
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Mantel Williams Show. On the show, he had infamous psychic
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Sylvia Brown. And if you don't know about Sylvia Brown,
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go look her up. She's awful. She has a long
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history of being wrong and weighing in with her psychic
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visions to vulnerable people desperate for closure and answers. She's
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dead now, but she's just been replaced by other people
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who prey upon vulnerable people in the same way. On
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the show, Sylvia Brown told Mary Negretty that her son
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was still alive and residing in the West Los Angeles area,
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She said, quote, he's still around the UCLA or close
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to the UCLA area, in like Brentwood Westwood, around the
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same area. He's not dead. Mary would later say that
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she didn't really believe in psychics, but went on the
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show to get his name out there, something that only
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happened briefly once during the airing, so she was pretty disappointed.
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In the years since, his family has understandably backed away
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from the spotlight. They just as much want answers today
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as they did nearly twenty six years ago, but they
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also had to resume some of their life back. In
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that two thousand and one article with La Times, Mary
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said that she and her family tried to distract themselves
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by staying busy, but it wasn't easy. She said, quote
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mostly we're totally down. I'm asking myself how am I
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supposed to deal with this? And that's where she said,
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I must admit I really don't have any hope I
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will ever see him again. I do tell myself, we
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will find out what happened someday with what time we
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have left. I'd like to go into the various theories
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that are out there and the possibilities of what could
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have happened to Michael Negretti. These are just that theories.
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Nobody knows what happened, and anybody mentioned is presumed innocent
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until found guilty. The first is that Michael left his
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dorm room, and he left Dykster Hall that night and
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something happened to him on campus. Now, a lot of
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sources refer to Michael as being barefoot, but you'll remember
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me saying he was actually known to hate being barefoot.
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His shoes were left behind in the dorm, so my
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personal belief is that it's more likely he was wearing
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some sort of hard sold slipper or the type of
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shoes you'd wear around your house, and that to me,
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would indicate that he was intending to be right back
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whatever it is that he was doing so as sort
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of a sub theory underneath that, what might have made
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him leave that night? You know, was there an opportunistic person,
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maybe even that man in the hallway that saw him
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and said something like, hey, can you help me with something?
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It's just outside here, and we have no idea what
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he'd be asking for help with, but maybe Michael goes
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outside and the person then has a weapon. Did he
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meet someone he met online. Sources say he didn't have
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a girlfriend, but maybe he met with someone in a
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chat room or a gaming community. Number two, let's talk
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the accident while on campus. Theory did he fall into
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a construction site. Police ruled this out because they said
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they searched everything. But some have speculated that maybe he'd
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locked himself out because we know he left his keys
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in the room, and that maybe he was trying to
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navigate some back doorway in through some sort of construction zone,
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and that he fell into a dangerous area and died. Again,
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there's no evidence of this, but the idea does get
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passed around, and police have never spoken to that specific scenario,
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just that they've gone through all the different construction work
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and that they had ruled that theory out. Number three,
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was Michael involved in drugs? Police said they didn't reveal
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anything like that in their investigation. He had been drinking
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that night, but not excessively. But Michael's younger brother allegedly
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made a tumbler post in twenty thirteen that has since
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been deleted. And I want to tread carefully with this
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because he's not only deleted it, it's been removed now
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from places like Wayback Machine, which is an Internet web
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page archive. So to me, that shows he's gone through
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a great deal of hassle to just get this off
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the internet, and it makes me think that his brother
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doesn't want to be a focal point of this conversation anymore.
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But just briefly, I'll say that in it, he mentioned
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that his family had found out that he had gotten
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involved in the rave scene and taken ecstasy, and that
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it was his opinion that maybe he was on drugs
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that night, wandered off in an incoherent type of state,
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and that someone took advantage of him and he ran
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ined the wrong person. Is it possible that a college
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student was on drugs? Absolutely? Do I trust that his
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family probably got a deeper in side scoop into his
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life than what's been publicly reported. Yes, but his behavior
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didn't really align with that that night. He had been
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already to a party earlier and then he just pivoted
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to going online and playing video games on his computer.
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That's not exactly the vibe of taking ecstasy. If anything,
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he's being wanting to take something to mellow out. Still,
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it can't be ruled out completely. And adjacent to that theory,
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is that that's the whole reason he left the dorm
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that night to attend some rave, which they did fly
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pretty under the radar, is my understanding of rave culture
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at the time. You had to kind of be invited.
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They were secretive, they were in these concealed locations. So
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did he go to a rave when something happened, or
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did he go out to buy drugs? Others have mentioned
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that it's really not the most primetime of day to
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go buy drugs, and that kids pretty much dealt drugs
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right on campus, so the idea of leaving and going
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off campus or somewhere else to get them was kind
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of a stretch. But you now, the next theory is
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that something happened to him in Dykster Hall that night,
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and that his body was disposed of, either in accidental
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overdose and someone panicked or an altercation that turned deadly.
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And just going along with that, one thing I haven't
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yet told you about is the phone calls. According to
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reporting in the North County Times in November of two thousand,
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just before the one year anniversary of his disappearance, something
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odd happened. It was at an apartment complex off campus
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where former students of Dykster Hall were now residing, and
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they had all lived at Dykster Hall at the time
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Michael went missing. Three people reported hearing a phone conversation
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from someone in the complex who spoke about details in
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the Negretti case that were unknown to the public. And
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then the detectives went through all the residents. There was
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forty to forty five apartments and they interviewed all the
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residents there, but no information surfaced to locate who that
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caller was. So are the students at Michael's residence hall
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holding a secret? If multiple people know what happened, it's
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a long buried secret, something that's not very common, you
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know what they say about two can keep a secret.
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If that's the case, and now is definitely the time
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to come forward and allow this family to get answers
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on what happened and give them at least a little closure.
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Whatever that looks like. Number five I guess would be
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that theory that he ran away, or he has amnesia,
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he's living under a new identity. Now, there isn't a
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single piece of evidence that supports this, other than people
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who occasionally post pictures of people they think look like
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a Michael in his forties, so, while not impossible, highly
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improbable in my very personal opinion. And finally there's the
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composite sketch. Did this man in the building have something
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to do with Michael's disappearance? And who was he? I
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mentioned earlier that there are two main people who come
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up a lot. The first I just want to get
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out of the way because I feel kind of awful
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even mentioning this one, but it gets discussed online so
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much I really couldn't avoid it. Michael grew up in
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Saber Springs, and one of the people who was friends
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with Michael's dad, Miguel Negretti, was a man named Damon
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van Dam. If that name sounds familiar, it may be
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because you recognize it from the high profile murder case
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of his daughter. Seven year old Danielle Vin Dam was
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abducted from her Saber Springs home in February of two
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thousand and two. A neighbor of the Van Dams, a
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man named David Westerfield, was arrested and found guilty of
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Danielle's murder. He's currently serving a life sentence. Damon Van
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Dam has gone on a radio show background that time
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in two thousand and two and he actually brought up
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Michael Neggretty. He said on it quote, I was in
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Los Angeles in nineteen ninety nine when Michael Negretti disappeared.
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I am a friend of Miguel Negretti and Michael's father,
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and I worked with the men when it happened. End quote,
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which I believe he means he helped in the search.
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A website popped up that did a side by side
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of Damon van Dam to the composite, and it surmised
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that he met up with Michael Negretti on the night
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of his disappearance. While Damon does resemble this sketch, so
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do a lot of men, and like I said, it's
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kind of on the generic side. The website that fuels
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this rumor also tries to connect Damon to the disappearance
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of Adam Walsh and the disappearance of Tiffany Sessions out
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of Florida. It all seems to want to draw a
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pattern of behavior out of Damon van dam thus implying
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he may have had something to do with his own
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daughter's murder and that David Westerfield is innocent. The motives
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with this one are suspicious, and this whole theory feels
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like a gigantic leap. The second is a theory related
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to sex offender Mark Collins Rector. He was huge into
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gaming and was nearby the UCLA campus at the time
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of Michael's disappearance. He was one of the early two
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thousands dot com failures, but was more notably arrested for
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various sex crimes against teenage boys. He does look a
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lot like the composite sketch, so many have speculated that
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he may have met Michael in some sort of chat
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room or on aim or the gaming community and lured
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him out. It's hard to say. It also feels like
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a stretch to me. Any connection to him is pure
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speculation at this point, and police have never named him
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as a suspect. Not much has happened in the case
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for years. At one point there was a burst of
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hope when Michael's Aol instant messenger screen name train fan
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one was activated, but it turns out that his username
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had expired from inactivity and that someone knew had just
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taken his name. There is an active Facebook group that
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tries to keep Mike's name out there. I've even seen
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them out there trying to compare Mike to John Doe's
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that were found, and there was one that was kind
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of promising a few years back, but he was ruled
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out as a match. And Michael's case is still brought
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up as one of those mysteries that people just can't shake,
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similar to the case of Brandon Swanson or Jason Jolkowski.
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It's like the earth just swallowed them whole. But I
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believe someone out there holds the answers, and it's never
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too late to speak up. Michael would be forty four
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years old now, and he would no doubt still be
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gifting the world with his musical talents and warming his
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family's hearts with his contagious laugh. While they can't get
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all of that back, they can get the knowledge of
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what happened that night and have the chance of giving
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him a proper burial. If you can give them those answers,
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or you know absolutely anything about the disappearance of Michael
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Negretti from the UCLA campus in nineteen ninety nine, please
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contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office at three two
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three eight nine zero five to five zero zero. This
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has been another episode of a simpler time to true.
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It was the end of the semester at UCLA. Students
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were finishing exams, celebrating, and preparing to head home for
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the holidays. A freshman named Michael joined friends at a
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dorm party before winding down with a late night computer
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game with another friend in the building in the early
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morning hours, he stepped out to congratulate his friend on
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the win. Then he headed back toward his room. From
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that moment on, Michael was never seen again. In missing
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persons cases, people will often say someone vanished into thin air,
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and in Michael's case, that phrase feels hauntingly true now
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over twenty five years later. Those closest to him rely
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on the hope that someone will come forward with the
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clue that makes a difference. I'm your host, Megan, and
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each week on a Simpler Time True Crime, I cover
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older unsolved cases and challenge the idea that a simpler
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time means a safer time. This week, I'm bringing to
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you the unsolved disappearance of Michael Negretti. I want to
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give a heartfelt thank you to listener Aaron s who
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reached out by email and encouraged me to cover this case.
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I knew about it, but I'll be honest, I hesitated.
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It's one of those cases that stirs a lot of
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debate online, and I didn't want to simply add to
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the noise. But once I started digging in, I realized
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that the lack of solid, verifiable information and has created
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a maze of theories, and it's easy to get lost
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in it. At the heart of it, though, is a
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kind and talented young man and a family who had
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him with them one day and lost him the next
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without any warning or answers. They've been left holding both
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worst case fears and small threads of hope. My goal
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today is to walk you through what is actually known,
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touch on the theories with care, and encourage you to
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stay open minded with me, because at the time of
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this recording, there truly are no definitive answers. So let's
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get into it. It was December of nineteen ninety nine.
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As the year two thousand approached, a wave of anxiety
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swept across the world over what came to be known
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as the Y two K bug. Computers had long been
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programmed to record years with just two digits, like ninety
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nine for nineteen ninety nine. The fear was that when
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the clocks rolled over to zero. Systems everywhere might interpret
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it as nineteen hundred instead of two thousand, potentially causing
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failures in banks, hospitals, power grids, and even airplanes. Governments, businesses,
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and IT professionals scrambled to fix the issue, and the
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media fed the sense of looming crisis. I myself remember
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it being all over the news, and I imagine Michael
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Negretti and his friends at UCLA were talking about it too,
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and predicting if it was something to really be worried
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about or if it was just going to be one
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big societal overreaction. Of course, we now know that when
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the clock struck midnight, the world carried on just fine.
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But all things point to Michael Negretti never getting to
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find this out, because the last time Michael was accounted
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for was the early morning hours of December tenth, nineteen
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ninety nine. Michael was a freshman at UCLA in the
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summer of nineteen ninety nine. He had graduated from Rancho
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Bernardo High School in San Diego. He was born on
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March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one, in Virginia to his parents,
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Mary and Miguel Negretti. After Michael would follow two more boys,
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Steve and Dave, and their family would be complete, and
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at some point the family moved to the Saber Springs
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neighborhood of San Diego. Saber Springs has around ten thousand
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people in it. It's one of those master planned communities
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with a big suburban vibe to it. Lots of houses
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on these rolling hillsides, and also lots of amenities like
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parks and good schools, and from everything I can tell,
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it's considered an upper middle class neighborhood. Michael was a
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gifted musician who played the steel drums in the trumpet,
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and because of his musical talent, he was awarded a
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scholarship to UCLA, which is about two and a half
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hours north of where he graduated from. During that first
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freshman semester at UCLA, Michael seemed to be doing really well.
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He had made friends, He was involved with music gigs
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on and off campus. He was actually part of a
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band called Island Fever, and all of his bandmates were
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a bit older than him, But they'd later say that
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they had him join not only because of how amazing
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he was musically. They said he was really reliable and
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a responsible kid who they knew they could count on.
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He was getting good grades and was looking forward to
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wrapping up finals and going home to visit with his
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family for the holidays. Just before his disappearance, he spoke
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to his mother Mary and talked about his plans to visit,
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and she said he seemed completely normal and in good spirits.
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Michael lived on the sixth floor of Dykstra Hall on
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the UCLA campus, which was huge. It's a co ed
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building and there were around nine hundred students living in it.
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Besides music, Michael was an avid video game player, and
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something great about college campuses in nineteen ninety nine was
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that they were early adopters of advanced Internet and technol
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and so Michael was able to actually do online computer
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games with classmates who lived in other rooms in his
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residence hall on campus. On the evening of Thursday, December ninth,
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nineteen ninety nine, Michael attended a dorm party across the
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hall from his room. The person hosting the party was
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a good friend of his, someone who he had really
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hit it off with during that semester. His name was
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Ross Wolf, and I was able to see him do
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an interview with student reporters with the Daily Bruin, which
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is the UCLA student newspaper and its spinoff podcast, Ross
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and others who attended the party said it was pretty
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laid back for the most part. There was some drinking
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and listening to music, and Michael had been drinking some margaritas.
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Michael may have been a bit intoxicated or buzzed, but
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nobody had the impression that he was wasted and falling
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all over or anything. As that party wrapped up, he
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went back across the hall to his dorm to play
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a vide on the computer with a friend who lived
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on the hall. In that same Daily Bruin podcast about
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Michael's case that I referenced before, one student sat down
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with current day law enforcement who had reviewed Michael's case,
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specifically the early case notes, and they answered the question
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of how were they all gaming in nineteen ninety nine
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and what was the internet like? And as many people remember,
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a lot of people's home internet during this time was
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dial up internet, which it was really funny seeing the
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officers explaining that to students who were absolutely not born
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when dial up internet was having its moment. But in
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this case, the officer said that the UCLA campus had
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DSL Internet, so back then high speed internet and dorms
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wasn't the Wi Fi were used to you today. DSL
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used the regular phone line in their room, but ran
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through a special modem that gave a much faster always
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on connection than dial up. You'd plug in a chunky
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beige desktop PCs straight into it with a cable, and
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that made it possible to play games or share files
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with friends down the hall without tying up the phone line.
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Michael and his friend did this until computer record show
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he logged off at around three forty or three forty
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five am on Friday, December tenth. He then walked down
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the hallway to congratulate his friend who had won the game.
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There is never any definitive discussion over who this friend is,
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but a lot of the source material presents it as
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if they just sort of met up in the hallway,
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gave a quick handshake, and then Michael returned to his dorm.
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The source material also makes it seem like this friend
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was right on the same floor and down the hall,
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but unlike Ross Wolfe's party that we know was right
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across the hall because he said as much in an interview.
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There's nothing concrete that I can confirm with one hundred
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percent certainty that the guy he was playing computer games
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with was just down the hall, saying Michael departed his
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presence to head back to his room. That was the
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last confirmed sighting of Michael Negretti. His roommate was asleep
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when all of this was happening. At nine am, the
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roommate woke up and noticed Michael wasn't there, but all
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of his personal belongings were his shoes, his clothes, his wallet,
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all of his musical instruments, his toothbrush, anything of value.
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Just to be clear, it sounds like the clothes he
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was last seen wearing were missing along with him, but
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all the rest of his clothes were left behind. The
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next part isn't really clearly reported on. We don't know
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exactly the order in which people grew concerned, but we
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know that he missed a final exam and obligations with
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his band, and this was hugely out of character for him.
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Several sources say that not much happened over that first weekend,
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and that his parents were contacted about him missing his
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social and school engagements, and that it was that Monday
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that his parents filed the police report it was a
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little tricky with him going missing heading into a weekend,
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because those are a little less predictable on a college schedule.
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leave for a weekend, and especially at this point in
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the semester. This is during finals time, so that definitely
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kind of threw a wrench into things. UCPD, which is
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the campus police department at UCLA, did start the search
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for Michael pretty quickly, though later articles would state that
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Michael's family thought their response was a bit lukewarm, sort
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of we've seen this before. A college student goes away
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for a few days and comes back, he'll turn up.
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And they were basically like, no, this isn't how he operates.
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His mother, Mary, actually told the La Times a few
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days into the search quote, He's usually quite aware of
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his schedule and the things he asked to do. This
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is a complete shock to me end quote. Police started
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by interviewing Michael's roommate as well as partygoer There's the
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friend down the hall who he had been playing the
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video game against, and eventually branched out to other people
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in Diykster Hall. Over the next several days, sent tracking
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dogs were used and followed his trail to a bus stop.
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This bus stop is at the corner of Sunset Boulevard
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and Bellagio Drive, and some sources say this is miles
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down the road. I mapped it and we'll have a
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picture on the Instagram at simpler time crime Pod, but
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it's only point seven miles away from Diykster Hall. Having
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said that, the police went on to say that his
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scent zigzagged all over campus. Now that could mean that
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the actual path from say a high level perspective was
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zigzagged if you were to do a bird's eye view
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over campus, or it could mean that his gate was zigzagging.
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I tend to think it's more the first scenario, because
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I think it would be hard for scent dogs to
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be so precise that they're picking up on someone's walking pattern.
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And it could also explain the longer mileage referenced in
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the source material, because they could be saying he didn't
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take a straight path to the bus stop. All of
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that conjecture may not even be important, though, because police
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would later say they didn't think the dogs were reliable
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and described them as possibly confused. In that recent interview
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with the student podcast The Daily brun Current law enforcement
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elaborated on that a little bit more, and it sounds
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like there were various jurisdictions on this search. There were
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opportunities where there could have been contamination that would have
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possibly misled the dogs. And also Michael attended this campus
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and walked all over it all the time, so it's
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possible that the dogs were picking up on his scent
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from his previous days of attending classes. Still, investigators spoke
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to all the company bus drivers and they passed around
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Michael's flyers to them as well as distributed them on buses,
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hoping anybody would recognize him. But nobody was able to
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place him on a bus or share that they had
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seen him since that night. Nancy Greenstein, the campus police
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spokesperson at the time, told the La Times quote, We've
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searched door to door, talked to his friends. He doesn't
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seem to have a girlfriend. We have no hints of
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where he could go or where he might be. That's
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why we're asking the public for assistance. And police truly
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did search door to door. Current law enforcement told The
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Daily Bruin that when they reviewed the old police files
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that it can confirm that officers spoke to everyone in
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that building and their search was comprehensive. They actually sent
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an officer down the garbage chute to look personally on
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the off chance that Michael suffered some sort of mishap
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or went down there after a more nefarious encounter on campus.
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Within a week of his disappearance, Michael's family created a
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website for him titled Please help Us Find Mike Negretti.
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Just before Christmas, Michael's case was featured on the Nash
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syndicated TV show Extra. His uncle Bill Klein said, quote,
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my hope is that Michael or someone who knows Michael
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or where he is, is going to pick up the
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phone and call. All his money, keys, and ID card
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were left behind in his dorm room. He left with nothing,
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no jacket, no toothbrush, nothing. Now, one question that has
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come up was did a campus like UCLA have surveillance
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or CCTV footage from back then? There has actually been
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internet rumors that footage exists of Michael leaving Dykstra Hall.
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But I've done a deep dive on this case, as
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have others, and no such footage is out there. In fact,
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I actually located an article in the Daily Bruin from
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the year Michael went missing, but before his disappearance that
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I've linked in the show notes. In it, they discuss
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the increase in campus surveillance footage, but it was primarily
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focused on helping to prevent retail theft in stores on campus.
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And I'll just read a few notes from the article here.
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It says departments such as Parking Services, the Administrative Cashier's Office,
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the Central Ticket Office, and the UCLA Store use security
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cameras to monitor visitors and employees. At Parking Services, two
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security cameras scan the customer lobby, while each employee entrance
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is equipped with a large security camera and card key scanner.
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with security cameras. Each of the cameras is connected to
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a VCR with a long record tape. The cameras are
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not monitored in real time. Other areas on campus which
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handle cash, such as the Central Ticket Office and the
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Administrative Cashier's Office in Murphy Hall, have security cameras. Another
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campus location with security cameras is the UCLA Store in
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Ackerman Union. The Ackerman Store has fifty four security cameras
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on the A level so that gives you a snapshot
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of where they were located on campus, and none of
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them mentioned having any in the dorm areas, pivoting back
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to searching the campus, though they also did a search
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of all construction sites. There was a ton of construction
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happening at UCLA at the time, and one theory was
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that Michael may have fallen into some sort of construction
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hazard and then his body was accidentally or intentionally buried
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in a construction site, but university police stated they searched
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this out completely and that they've ruled it out as
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a possibility. After the year two thousand rang in, the
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Negretti family and all those close to Michael felt a
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deeper sense of dread. With each day passing. They felt
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their hope of finding Michael safe and alive dwindling, and
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they were just as puzzled as ever. At this point,
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the campus police and university officials felt that Michael chose
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to leave on his own, but his family did not agree.
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They felt that Michael would not leave and not loop
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them in, and his mom told the North County Times quote,
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I honestly feel that the Michael I know would at
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least tell me where he was. My perception is of
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great puzzlement. I wonder where are you and why end quote.
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At Around this time, Michael's computer was turned over to
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an IT forensic technician to see if they could find
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any information about Michael's online behavior. Michael had an AOL
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instant Messenger account and was active in the gaming community.
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Had he met up with someone in a chat room
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or could they identify anyone he may have been talking
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to on the Internet. People were using chat rooms on
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AOL and MSN messaging a lot during this time, and
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learning about online safety and how dangerous this could be
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was a bit of the wild West at the time,
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millennial over here. And I remember being in online chat
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rooms without my family's knowledge and responding when people would
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put asl age sex location in there and just giving
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it out on the Internet. And then oftentimes my friends
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and I would be on these chat rooms and we
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would be giving fake information and we thought it was
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so funny. We had no sense of what could have happened.
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I think at the time many people still just held
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this belief that the Internet still held this great barrier
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between you and whoever was on the other side of it.
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But we know through a few tragic cases that that's
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wasn't the case, is not the case. And when I
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talk about simpler time true crime and how things weren't
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always simpler, really that was at this time where we
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were at a bit of a learning curve with how
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dangerous the Internet could be. But going back to the
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computer stuff, I'm not going to bury the lead, and
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even though this might be a little out of order,
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I'm going to just tell you the computer outcome. Now,
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something happened to Michael's computer that rendered tracing his usage impossible.
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Some websites say that his hard drive got corrupted or
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erased in error, and some point to the campus law
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enforcement is watching this. Some say when they turned it
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over to the FBI it happened. We don't know exactly
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the chain of events and whose custody the computer was
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in when this happened, but either way, this unfortunately was
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a dead end, which is bad because I personally believe
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it could have told us a lot of information. Despite
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this setback, Current day law enforcement told the Daily Bruined
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podcast that the original investigators did serve a search warrant
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to AOL to find any of his chat logs, and
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if that did produce anything. They aren't saying or releasing that,
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but I got the sense that it was a dead end.
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In January, a fundraising concert was held for Michael at
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Long Beach Poly High School and featured the school's jazz
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combo as well as a jazz solo vocalist and steel
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drum band. Michael loved jazz, and he used to walk
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around and sing jazz songs to himself, which when I
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was reading that, I couldn't help it smile to myself.
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It's those pieces that are mentioned about him, like how
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he was known to have a loud and sudden laugh
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that was very distinctive, and how he was an expert
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at reciting Simpson's trivia, and how he hates bare feet.
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It's those things that gave you the glimpses of the
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little idiosyncrasies that Michael had that we all have and
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reminds us that the people at the heart of these
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cases are so much more than the mystery that surrounds
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their final circumstances. It's those little things that we remember
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most about our loved ones when they're gone, and the
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things his family probably still thinks about to this day.
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The concert was ten dollars a ticket, and the money
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went back to the Michael Negretti Search Fund. A week later,
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Michael's family put up a five thousand dollars reward for information.
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At the end of January, there was another benefit concert,
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this time in Solana Beach. In March, Michael's name began
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showing up in the classified ads. In between people selling
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puppies and advertisements for childcare was a line that read
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missing persons, Please help Missing Michael Negretti, with a link
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to a phone number in the family run website. Michael's
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nineteenth birthday arrived with no sign of him, marking for
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his family yet another milestone passing without Michael, and about
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a week after his birthday, his parents told the paper
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that they believed their son was dead and that foul
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play was involved. On April thirteenth, two thousand, the Negretti
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family upped the reward to one hundred thousand dollars. Mary
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Negretti told the North County Times quote, I've always figured
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that something terrible happened to him, but there's no evidence
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of it. UCLA Police spokesperson Nancy Greenstein added the additional
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reward hopefully will lead to more information and will allow
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us to continue our investigation. Still, at this time, university
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officials in law enforcement stood by the fact that while
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they were completely baffled by the case, they had no
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indication that he had met with foul play. They felt
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it was just as likely that he suffered some sort
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of accident or had become disoriented and something had happened
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to him. The increased reward did not bring out any
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new substantial leads, and with that the university Police Department
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turned over the missing person's investigation to the Sheriff's office.
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In early June, his family and friends held a rally
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at UCLA. Mary Negretti said, quote, our goal is to
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attract a crowd of people, make some noise, and let
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the students see that there are still people who are
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actively looking for Michael. At the rally, they handed out
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missing persons flyers, pictures of Michael, and bumper stickers. Mary
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continued on by saying, if there are any students who
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are hold holding back any information about Michael and what
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may have happened to him, we hope this will show
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them that a lot of people have been and still
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are affected by Michael's disappearance. We want Michael to be
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utmost in students' minds before they scatter for the summer,
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and the Sheriff's department had the same idea, So while
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students were still present, they handed out a questionnaire to
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all nine hundred Dykster Hall residents, and after they got
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them back and started going through them, it was then
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in July of two thousand that something struck their attention.
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It was a detail in one of the surveys about
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a man in the dorms that night, someone who didn't
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quite fit in. One of the students reported that around
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four thirty am on the morning that Michael went missing,
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they witnessed a man who was inside Dykster Hall who
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looked like he didn't belong. He was white, with a
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stocky build, about five foot eight, and was in his
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mid thirties, so with most of the kids in the
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storm being eighteen to twenty years old, he stood out.
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Some sources say he was acting suspiciously and was in
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close proximity to Michael's dorm room, with one even saying
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that when this student went to pass him, he turned
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away and sort of obscured his face. This student was
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able to provide details for a composite sketch and all
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have that on the Instagram. Like many composite sketches, it's
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kind of generic, but it's what we have. Just how
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relevant is this information? That's hard to say. Some people
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have been skeptical as to why it took so long
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for this student to come forward, but one of the
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source material states that this student said they did come
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forward at the beginning, but no one did anything with it,
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so I don't know. Police said that they didn't want
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to treat this person as a suspect, but they wanted
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to speak with them in case they were a witness,
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you know, the classic approach. And unsurprisingly, this mystery person
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did not come forward. In all of the years since.
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With this man never being a identified, sleuths all over
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the internet have tried to do side by sides of
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people who may look like the composite sketch. I don't
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know how much you all followed the Delphi case out
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of Indiana, but that was another one where people relentlessly
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try to compare people to the suspect sketch. And it's
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really a tricky balance. On one hand, the power of
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community can be a great thing. It can generate possible
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leads or things to look into, But in general, the
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family feedback from that case was largely discouraging of the practice.
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It's a slippery slope because you end up putting people
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on trial with the court of public opinion, and we
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don't even know for sure that this person in Dexter
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Hall exists or if he holds any significance to Michael's disappearance.
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Having said that, a little bit later, as I get
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into the theories discussed in Michael's case, I'll be addressing
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the two most common composite sketch comparisons. The one year
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mark came with no new leads, and then another year
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passed After that. William Howell and Joe Purcell from the
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Sheriff's Department were completely baffled. They were interviewed along with
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Michael's parents. In an April two thousand and one interview
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with The LA Times, Sergeant Howell said, quote, it seems
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like there's nowhere to turn. This is a kid who
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wasn't inny lick of trouble. Usually those kinds of cases
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lead us in a certain direction. There's a light at
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the end of the tunnel. In this case, there's absolutely
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no certainty anywhere. It's maddening. Howell's partner, Joe Purcell went
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on to say, it's like he never walked the earth.
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At this stage in the investigation, Purcell and Howell were
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working in the homicide unit and Michael's case was finally
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being investigated. As such, he hadn't touched his bank cards
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or bank account since his disappearance. His social Security number
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hasn't been used. Howell also shared that they found a
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profiler within the Sheriff's department. He was an expert who
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tries to solve crimes by looking at statistical data and
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probing into criminal psychology, and the Sheriff's profile advised them
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that they had more than likely already interviewed somebody who
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knew what happened, and this just was really hard for Howell.
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He said, I just don't see it. If we've already
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interviewed somebody who knows what happened, we don't know it.
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I don't know it. I've been fooled. And if that's
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the case, I should just retire right now. The frustration
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can clearly be felt in this exchange, and Michael's family
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felt that, amongst a ton of other ever changing emotions themselves.
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They talked about how they had now spent two Christmases
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and two birthdays without him, and how they even tried
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to hold a small birthday celebration for him a few
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weeks back. The Negrettes gathered in their dining room with
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this little lemon cake and one single candle, and Mary
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said quote, it was pitiful. There was no joy, only
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emptiness and heartache. Later in the interview, Mary shared that
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she no longer felt she would ever see her son
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alive again, and only had hopes that someday someone would
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come forward with information to at least give her answers.
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In two thousand and three, Mary Negretti went on The
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Mantel Williams Show. On the show, he had infamous psychic
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Sylvia Brown. And if you don't know about Sylvia Brown,
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go look her up. She's awful. She has a long
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history of being wrong and weighing in with her psychic
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visions to vulnerable people desperate for closure and answers. She's
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dead now, but she's just been replaced by other people
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who prey upon vulnerable people in the same way. On
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the show, Sylvia Brown told Mary Negretty that her son
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was still alive and residing in the West Los Angeles area,
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She said, quote, he's still around the UCLA or close
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to the UCLA area, in like Brentwood Westwood, around the
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same area. He's not dead. Mary would later say that
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she didn't really believe in psychics, but went on the
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show to get his name out there, something that only
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happened briefly once during the airing, so she was pretty disappointed.
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In the years since, his family has understandably backed away
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from the spotlight. They just as much want answers today
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as they did nearly twenty six years ago, but they
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also had to resume some of their life back. In
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that two thousand and one article with La Times, Mary
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said that she and her family tried to distract themselves
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by staying busy, but it wasn't easy. She said, quote
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mostly we're totally down. I'm asking myself how am I
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supposed to deal with this? And that's where she said,
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I must admit I really don't have any hope I
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will ever see him again. I do tell myself, we
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will find out what happened someday with what time we
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have left. I'd like to go into the various theories
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that are out there and the possibilities of what could
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have happened to Michael Negretti. These are just that theories.
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Nobody knows what happened, and anybody mentioned is presumed innocent
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until found guilty. The first is that Michael left his
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dorm room, and he left Dykster Hall that night and
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something happened to him on campus. Now, a lot of
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sources refer to Michael as being barefoot, but you'll remember
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me saying he was actually known to hate being barefoot.
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His shoes were left behind in the dorm, so my
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personal belief is that it's more likely he was wearing
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some sort of hard sold slipper or the type of
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shoes you'd wear around your house, and that to me,
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would indicate that he was intending to be right back
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whatever it is that he was doing so as sort
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of a sub theory underneath that, what might have made
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him leave that night? You know, was there an opportunistic person,
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maybe even that man in the hallway that saw him
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and said something like, hey, can you help me with something?
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It's just outside here, and we have no idea what
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he'd be asking for help with, but maybe Michael goes
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outside and the person then has a weapon. Did he
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meet someone he met online. Sources say he didn't have
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a girlfriend, but maybe he met with someone in a
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chat room or a gaming community. Number two, let's talk
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the accident while on campus. Theory did he fall into
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a construction site. Police ruled this out because they said
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they searched everything. But some have speculated that maybe he'd
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locked himself out because we know he left his keys
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in the room, and that maybe he was trying to
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navigate some back doorway in through some sort of construction zone,
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and that he fell into a dangerous area and died. Again,
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there's no evidence of this, but the idea does get
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passed around, and police have never spoken to that specific scenario,
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just that they've gone through all the different construction work
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and that they had ruled that theory out. Number three,
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was Michael involved in drugs? Police said they didn't reveal
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anything like that in their investigation. He had been drinking
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that night, but not excessively. But Michael's younger brother allegedly
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made a tumbler post in twenty thirteen that has since
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been deleted. And I want to tread carefully with this
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because he's not only deleted it, it's been removed now
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from places like Wayback Machine, which is an Internet web
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page archive. So to me, that shows he's gone through
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a great deal of hassle to just get this off
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the internet, and it makes me think that his brother
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doesn't want to be a focal point of this conversation anymore.
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But just briefly, I'll say that in it, he mentioned
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that his family had found out that he had gotten
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involved in the rave scene and taken ecstasy, and that
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it was his opinion that maybe he was on drugs
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that night, wandered off in an incoherent type of state,
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and that someone took advantage of him and he ran
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ined the wrong person. Is it possible that a college
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student was on drugs? Absolutely? Do I trust that his
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family probably got a deeper in side scoop into his
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life than what's been publicly reported. Yes, but his behavior
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didn't really align with that that night. He had been
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already to a party earlier and then he just pivoted
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to going online and playing video games on his computer.
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That's not exactly the vibe of taking ecstasy. If anything,
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he's being wanting to take something to mellow out. Still,
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it can't be ruled out completely. And adjacent to that theory,
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is that that's the whole reason he left the dorm
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that night to attend some rave, which they did fly
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pretty under the radar, is my understanding of rave culture
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at the time. You had to kind of be invited.
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They were secretive, they were in these concealed locations. So
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did he go to a rave when something happened, or
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did he go out to buy drugs? Others have mentioned
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that it's really not the most primetime of day to
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go buy drugs, and that kids pretty much dealt drugs
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right on campus, so the idea of leaving and going
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off campus or somewhere else to get them was kind
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of a stretch. But you now, the next theory is
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that something happened to him in Dykster Hall that night,
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and that his body was disposed of, either in accidental
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overdose and someone panicked or an altercation that turned deadly.
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And just going along with that, one thing I haven't
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yet told you about is the phone calls. According to
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reporting in the North County Times in November of two thousand,
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just before the one year anniversary of his disappearance, something
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odd happened. It was at an apartment complex off campus
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where former students of Dykster Hall were now residing, and
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they had all lived at Dykster Hall at the time
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Michael went missing. Three people reported hearing a phone conversation
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from someone in the complex who spoke about details in
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the Negretti case that were unknown to the public. And
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then the detectives went through all the residents. There was
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forty to forty five apartments and they interviewed all the
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residents there, but no information surfaced to locate who that
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caller was. So are the students at Michael's residence hall
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holding a secret? If multiple people know what happened, it's
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a long buried secret, something that's not very common, you
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00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.679
know what they say about two can keep a secret.
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If that's the case, and now is definitely the time
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to come forward and allow this family to get answers
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on what happened and give them at least a little closure.
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Whatever that looks like. Number five I guess would be
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that theory that he ran away, or he has amnesia,
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he's living under a new identity. Now, there isn't a
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single piece of evidence that supports this, other than people
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who occasionally post pictures of people they think look like
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a Michael in his forties, so, while not impossible, highly
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improbable in my very personal opinion. And finally there's the
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composite sketch. Did this man in the building have something
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to do with Michael's disappearance? And who was he? I
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mentioned earlier that there are two main people who come
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up a lot. The first I just want to get
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out of the way because I feel kind of awful
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even mentioning this one, but it gets discussed online so
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much I really couldn't avoid it. Michael grew up in
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Saber Springs, and one of the people who was friends
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with Michael's dad, Miguel Negretti, was a man named Damon
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van Dam. If that name sounds familiar, it may be
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because you recognize it from the high profile murder case
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of his daughter. Seven year old Danielle Vin Dam was
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abducted from her Saber Springs home in February of two
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thousand and two. A neighbor of the Van Dams, a
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man named David Westerfield, was arrested and found guilty of
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Danielle's murder. He's currently serving a life sentence. Damon Van
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Dam has gone on a radio show background that time
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in two thousand and two and he actually brought up
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Michael Neggretty. He said on it quote, I was in
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Los Angeles in nineteen ninety nine when Michael Negretti disappeared.
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I am a friend of Miguel Negretti and Michael's father,
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and I worked with the men when it happened. End quote,
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which I believe he means he helped in the search.
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A website popped up that did a side by side
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of Damon van Dam to the composite, and it surmised
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that he met up with Michael Negretti on the night
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of his disappearance. While Damon does resemble this sketch, so
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00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.559
do a lot of men, and like I said, it's
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kind of on the generic side. The website that fuels
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this rumor also tries to connect Damon to the disappearance
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00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.000
of Adam Walsh and the disappearance of Tiffany Sessions out
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of Florida. It all seems to want to draw a
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pattern of behavior out of Damon van dam thus implying
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he may have had something to do with his own
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daughter's murder and that David Westerfield is innocent. The motives
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with this one are suspicious, and this whole theory feels
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like a gigantic leap. The second is a theory related
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00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.480
to sex offender Mark Collins Rector. He was huge into
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gaming and was nearby the UCLA campus at the time
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of Michael's disappearance. He was one of the early two
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thousands dot com failures, but was more notably arrested for
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various sex crimes against teenage boys. He does look a
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lot like the composite sketch, so many have speculated that
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he may have met Michael in some sort of chat
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room or on aim or the gaming community and lured
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him out. It's hard to say. It also feels like
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a stretch to me. Any connection to him is pure
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speculation at this point, and police have never named him
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as a suspect. Not much has happened in the case
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for years. At one point there was a burst of
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00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.239
hope when Michael's Aol instant messenger screen name train fan
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00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.480
one was activated, but it turns out that his username
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had expired from inactivity and that someone knew had just
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00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.440
taken his name. There is an active Facebook group that
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00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.800
tries to keep Mike's name out there. I've even seen
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them out there trying to compare Mike to John Doe's
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that were found, and there was one that was kind
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of promising a few years back, but he was ruled
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00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.760
out as a match. And Michael's case is still brought
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00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.719
up as one of those mysteries that people just can't shake,
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00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.800
similar to the case of Brandon Swanson or Jason Jolkowski.
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It's like the earth just swallowed them whole. But I
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believe someone out there holds the answers, and it's never
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too late to speak up. Michael would be forty four
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years old now, and he would no doubt still be
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gifting the world with his musical talents and warming his
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family's hearts with his contagious laugh. While they can't get
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all of that back, they can get the knowledge of
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what happened that night and have the chance of giving
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him a proper burial. If you can give them those answers,
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or you know absolutely anything about the disappearance of Michael
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Negretti from the UCLA campus in nineteen ninety nine, please
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contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office at three two
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three eight nine zero five to five zero zero. This
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