Hey there, and welcome to A Peaceful Path, Special Education Legal Advocacy for Families with Children that Have Special Needs with Michelle Becker. Michelle is a special education attorney and passionate advocate for families navigating the public school system. My name is Kevin Rosenquist, and today we're talking about extended school year services. What they are, who qualifies, and how to advocate when your child needs support beyond the traditional school year. Michelle, welcome back.
Thanks for having me. This is a really important conversation today. Yeah. I'm well I'm excited to learn about it. So so let's just start with the basics.
What what is extended school year or ESY, and how is it different from, say, what we all know? Summer school. Yeah. Yeah. So summer school is it it has genuine generally been meant to mean just extra classes in summer.
You know, you could take horsemanship or you could take baton twirling or you could take reading or creative writing. There was always back in the day summer school when it was funded by states to to kind of further enhance and broaden a kid's, you know, educational experience. And I I imagine that I worked as daycare for some. Yeah. I guess I would guess so.
Yeah. Yeah. However, extended school year is something very different. There are schools out there that still offer summer programs that are paid for by educational foundations within the city. But extended school year is actually special education summer school.
And it's basically a continuation of the child's IEP for an additional four weeks into the summer. And, basically, it it the the reason for summer school or, extended school year is for those kids that basically have disabilities that aren't going away and not being in school will likely cause an interruption in their education that could impact regression and then also make it difficult for them to recoup skills that they've learned the previous year in the new year. Mhmm. So that's a lot of words just to say, look. Your kid may forget the stuff they learned, and then it could take a really long time to learn it back.
Yeah. So going to extended school year gives them a extra period of time to continue to learn those skills. Who qualifies technically for these? So you have to go through every school district does it a little different, but there's like an ESY worksheet in your IEP. And you have to IEPs are held annually.
And as part of your IEP, there is a question as to whether or not you need extended school year. And extended school year basically extends all of the service, minutes and addresses the goals that you were addressing during the school year and includes them into this extended school year four week periods. Okay. And during your IEP, you go through a worksheet that says, is there a chance of regression? Even if there was regression, is there time to recoup?
And then there's it's probably like an eight or nine point worksheet that basically school districts have to fill out to determine whether or not a kid needs ESY. And if they do, it's very likely that it's gonna change from year to year. Yes. They do. No.
They don't. Yes. They do. No. They don't.
Once it's kinda set, it pretty much is set and your kid gets ESY. And in most cases, the people who qualify are really struggling. It's not like a kid who's almost a grade level and are gonna forget their e's. You know? This is a kid that, maybe cognitively is doing great, but you know what?
We need the counseling. So we may not need to work on the any academic goals, or we may or may not need to work on speech goals, but we need to continuing the we need to continue the counseling. So in that case, there may be some services that are included and some that are not because, again, it's anchored to regression and recruitment. It's also not for kids that just need to make stuff up. You you know, like, okay.
Like they were behind. Yeah. They're behind, and we just need to make it up. Now, ideally, if I were queen, I would have yes why for kids that just need to make stuff up. Because if they can make it up in the summer, they get off on a good start the next school year.
Yeah. They're ready to rock come come August or September. Yeah. Mhmm. Exactly.
But I'm not queen and Nope. And that's not the way it works. So it it is pretty constrained and it is for very specific purpose. Now I'll have some families who will say, no. I want my kid in ESY.
Okay. But yeah. Okay. The the kid if the kid is maybe behind in reading and maybe behind in math and maybe is getting speech, but the ESY class is for kids that are significantly delayed. This is not like, you you you don't necessarily wanna put your kid in with a very different population Yeah.
Because you have a whole different set of issues maybe four weeks later. So, you know, although ESY seems like it'd be valuable for everyone, it needs to be entered into with good information and a real understanding of what's gonna happen over that next four weeks. Because even though it's just four weeks, you wanna make the most of it if if your kid needs to be in it, and then what are the possibilities if your kid doesn't need to be in it? Right? What other options does the school offer?
You know, what, the educational foundations of most cities, you know, Pasadena has the Pasadena Education Foundation. South Pasadena has the South Pasadena Education Foundation, and every city has their own education foundation or something like that that produces a summer program that may be more beneficial for your kid. That is not ESY. You you know, you mentioned regression. What what kind of regression do schools look for?
So if you've been working on an IEP goal, let's just say you really are trying to read. You're learning to read. You're in fifth grade and you're learning to read. And if you are gonna basically if it took you and this is gonna sound really bizarre, but it's it's it's not in in real life. Let's say that you're trying to really master reading comprehension and understand who, what, where, the w questions.
Right? And it's taken you one semester. You you have autism and you just can't relate to these really esoteric questions of who, what, where, when, and why. Right? And you have finally mastered what who means.
Who is a person? And you're not going to and you're gonna okay. So you've mastered who. Who is a person? Who?
Johnny? Who? Kevin? Who? Michelle.
Right on. If you are gone for three months and you have to come back and it takes you a semester to relearn who, you just missed out. Now the the argument I you know, the argument is, well, what's two months versus three months? You know, you get an extra month, but you're still gonna be offered two. I hear you, there is no no more amazing population than special ed parents.
Like, it is I walk into some of these parents' houses because I do house calls. And I walk into some of these parents' houses and their living room is a classroom. And the things their goals the kids' goals, there's, like, little workstations for the kids' goals. And it's not like they're tiger moms or tiger parents, but the parents really understand the challenges that these kids face. And so they have embedded the kids' learning opportunities from school through the IEPs into the home so that the kids are not missing an opportunity to be exposed to what it is they're trying to learn.
Mhmm. So I would say that these four weeks with that special ed teacher committed to them learning and remembering is going to help because the parents are gonna be right there those next two months doing exactly what was going on in school, plus, you know, whatever other remediation activities they have over the summer. I mean, the special ed parents are amazing people who just are relentless in making sure their kids get what they need. Yeah. Yeah.
That's awesome. I love to hear that. Yeah. Are the schools ever required to provide a ESY even if they say that the child doesn't qualify? So it goes back to that due process.
Okay. Question. If the district is like, no. They don't qualify and the parents are like, yeah. My kid does.
I've proven to you. Like, Christmas and Easter, when we break for Christmas and Easter and we come back, he doesn't remember anything, let alone when we come back in the fall. I've proven to you that how long it takes. So if the district is like, nope. Sorry.
No. Well, then you try to follow the informal process of resolving the issue. And if you can't, then you have to file due process. And then ultimately, if you're right and you fight and there's justice, you will win. And they'll cave.
And it's good with you because it's not worth it. Right? It's when when you really boil it down, it's a kid's education. What exactly are you fighting for? Right.
What are you fight why are you fighting against that? Yeah. It doesn't really make a lot of sense. Exactly. And sometimes it does.
Like, I've had school districts where I have, during IEP meetings, proven out whether it's ESY or proven out why we need something. And it's like, no. And disengaged administrators, whatever whatever. Sometimes even then with the informal, no. With the resolution, no.
With the mediation, no. And then finally, they'll say fine. What do you want? Mhmm. But it's You are us now.
Yeah. I want I want you to help my kid. Yeah. That that's what I want. And this is what I this is how I think you can help my kid.
And most parents are gonna fight for their kids and what they need. I mean, let's be honest. In in every aspect of life, you know, we all all parents understand that. Exactly. Exactly.
And and ESY is no different. And if your kid needs it, you should fight for it. But the only way you win and this, we may have covered this in in the, resolution the problem resolution, session, but it it's not to be gone in too lightly, and you have to start building your case right from the get go. It's not it's not something that you just get mad and file due process because you lose. Yeah.
Which, by the way, people lose 85% of the time in California. Parents lose 85% of the time. And it's not because they weren't right. It's because they didn't build their case. They didn't they didn't go about it the right way.
They reacted emotionally and quickly and yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. But if you do it the right way and, again, it's not complicated. You have all of the data at your fingertips.
Right. If you compile it and present it, it's undeniable. This stuff is not complicated. Yeah. It's gotta be tempting, though.
I mean I mean, I I'm I I pulled my kid out of a learn to skate class because I didn't like the way they were doing things, and I let him know about it. But I'm and I'm not a crazy parent. I promise. But, you know, I can totally understand why a a parent with a special needs child who is who who knows they need this stuff Yeah. Is gonna is it might react a bit too quickly or too, again, emotionally or, you know, again, just react.
Instead of plan, they just react. And I hope that some of the parents out there are are hear this show because I I really think that that it's important to know that, especially that statistic of eighty five percent. That's that's that's jarring. Yeah. Yeah.
And it it is I think it's because the the way cases are presented like, I use IEPs as my, this is a big giveaway here, but it's it's a good one for parents. I use IEPs basically to understand where the opposing party stands. Like, how when do you ever get a chance to sit in front of your adversary? And and I I I do say that just from a litigation standpoint. I do think that IEP teams, families, and school districts can work together.
And I do think that they can work together despite disagreements. But there's no better time to gather your data than to sit and listen to what the teacher is saying. Right? You know, if if they're gonna say it in an IEP meeting, they're gonna say it in front of a judge. Absolutely.
You already know what they're gonna tell the judge. This is how you build your case. You listen to what they all say in the IEP meetings. And then then you understand where they're coming from. You know where you're coming from.
You know how to build this. They do. The parents have so much more power than they know because it's all right there in in in the performance, in the in the actual schoolwork, in their experience. And then the piece that's most difficult is the assessment data. But everything else is on their side if they're right.
Mhmm. Yeah. So and and just one last thing on this this notion of being adversary, you know, an adversarial party. When parents call me, they'll often say, just bringing a lawyer in make the relationship more contentious? And I would say question.
Yeah. It's a great question. Yeah. In my experience, it makes it better. Because I feel like I can model for the parents exactly how to handle the situation.
And at the same time, the school district really does understand that they have somebody working with the parents who can see both sides of the story. And at at the end of the day, I would say, at the end of a meeting, what started off as two parties on either side of the table becomes one party working for one thing, which is the benefit of the kid. 9.9 out of 10 times, I will tell you, it works to the parents' advantage to bring in a lawyer who's wanting to collaborate and figure out how to help the kid. Right. I do what's best.
Wanna sue, you can have your two sides of the table. But if you wanna help your kid solve the problems. That's really good, that perspective. I think that's a really good perspective. Remember, you're not don't think of it as a as a fight with the school.
Think about it as a what what can we do to do what's best for for my for my child. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And if you go in with that perspective, you will end up with everyone on the same side of the table.
Yeah. Eventually, if it's not the first meeting, eventually. Because, you know, parents I had this one I don't I don't know how much time we have left, but I had this one I had this one parent who didn't have any assessments. They were young, adorable couple. And they went to the school district and said, I want an IEE.
And the school district denied them, procedurally denied them because they've never even had an assessment. How do you have an IEE when you haven't even had an assessment? And when they they called me in because they wanted that IEE. And so I had to explain to them. I said, oh, so what do you do for a living?
I I drive a forklift. I said, okay. So what would you think if I came to you and said, I think that I think that you need in your warehouse to use a lowboy to get that off of that shelf. You tell me I I don't know what I'm talking about. I need to use that forklift because it raises up high enough.
Right? You would you would tell me no because I know what I'm doing, and I wouldn't do what you're recommending. I said, well, that's the same thing with parents and school districts. Sometimes we ask for things we don't even know what they are or if we're right. You know?
So so I'm not saying these days when we see things on social media and we read we we so we're so often we read headlines or or a couple of sentences, but not the whole article or things like that. So we're very, oh, very partially informed a lot of times. Exactly. And and that's why having an advocate when you really don't know what's going on or having a lawyer who is not motivated to litigate. You just you need to understand the landscape.
And that's not a criticism of parents because parents are doing the best they can just to get research under their belts. Oh, I mean, you're figuring everything out as you go. Right? I mean, I've I've tried to figure out the schooling and all that stuff. It's it's a little complicated.
It's more so than I would have thought. That's for sure. Exactly. You don't just send your kid across the street to the elementary school Right. And they learn to read miraculously.
Right? So what I would say to parents in the ESY contact context or IEP or assessment or five zero four plan, whatever it is, give yourself the space to learn and seek understanding from the school district. I'm not saying they're right. You are right. Parents are right 99% of the time.
You just may not know what you're right about. Right. You could be right about the wrong thing. Right? So give yourself the space to kind of work through the issues because this is like, we talked about in the assessment section, what starts off as just not knowing nine letters of the alphabet in fifth grade turns out to be dyslexia.
That's a whole different situation that requires a whole different approach than just teaching letters. So just, yeah, than just summer school or or or getting an extra some extra work in. Yeah. Exactly. So so I would just say there's room for growth and an opportunity to help your kid that does not include a fight.
Alright. Well, that's great stuff as always, Michelle. Thanks for joining us on A Peaceful Path. If you think your child may need services beyond the regular school year, don't wait for the school to bring it up. Visit michellebeckerlaw.com to get guidance from Michelle and make sure your child's plan includes everything you're entitled to.
Don't forget to subscribe to our channel. Leave us a review. We greatly appreciate it. Michelle, I always greatly appreciate your time. Thanks so much.
Thanks for having me. See you next time.
Thanks for having me. This is a really important conversation today. Yeah. I'm well I'm excited to learn about it. So so let's just start with the basics.
What what is extended school year or ESY, and how is it different from, say, what we all know? Summer school. Yeah. Yeah. So summer school is it it has genuine generally been meant to mean just extra classes in summer.
You know, you could take horsemanship or you could take baton twirling or you could take reading or creative writing. There was always back in the day summer school when it was funded by states to to kind of further enhance and broaden a kid's, you know, educational experience. And I I imagine that I worked as daycare for some. Yeah. I guess I would guess so.
Yeah. Yeah. However, extended school year is something very different. There are schools out there that still offer summer programs that are paid for by educational foundations within the city. But extended school year is actually special education summer school.
And it's basically a continuation of the child's IEP for an additional four weeks into the summer. And, basically, it it the the reason for summer school or, extended school year is for those kids that basically have disabilities that aren't going away and not being in school will likely cause an interruption in their education that could impact regression and then also make it difficult for them to recoup skills that they've learned the previous year in the new year. Mhmm. So that's a lot of words just to say, look. Your kid may forget the stuff they learned, and then it could take a really long time to learn it back.
Yeah. So going to extended school year gives them a extra period of time to continue to learn those skills. Who qualifies technically for these? So you have to go through every school district does it a little different, but there's like an ESY worksheet in your IEP. And you have to IEPs are held annually.
And as part of your IEP, there is a question as to whether or not you need extended school year. And extended school year basically extends all of the service, minutes and addresses the goals that you were addressing during the school year and includes them into this extended school year four week periods. Okay. And during your IEP, you go through a worksheet that says, is there a chance of regression? Even if there was regression, is there time to recoup?
And then there's it's probably like an eight or nine point worksheet that basically school districts have to fill out to determine whether or not a kid needs ESY. And if they do, it's very likely that it's gonna change from year to year. Yes. They do. No.
They don't. Yes. They do. No. They don't.
Once it's kinda set, it pretty much is set and your kid gets ESY. And in most cases, the people who qualify are really struggling. It's not like a kid who's almost a grade level and are gonna forget their e's. You know? This is a kid that, maybe cognitively is doing great, but you know what?
We need the counseling. So we may not need to work on the any academic goals, or we may or may not need to work on speech goals, but we need to continuing the we need to continue the counseling. So in that case, there may be some services that are included and some that are not because, again, it's anchored to regression and recruitment. It's also not for kids that just need to make stuff up. You you know, like, okay.
Like they were behind. Yeah. They're behind, and we just need to make it up. Now, ideally, if I were queen, I would have yes why for kids that just need to make stuff up. Because if they can make it up in the summer, they get off on a good start the next school year.
Yeah. They're ready to rock come come August or September. Yeah. Mhmm. Exactly.
But I'm not queen and Nope. And that's not the way it works. So it it is pretty constrained and it is for very specific purpose. Now I'll have some families who will say, no. I want my kid in ESY.
Okay. But yeah. Okay. The the kid if the kid is maybe behind in reading and maybe behind in math and maybe is getting speech, but the ESY class is for kids that are significantly delayed. This is not like, you you you don't necessarily wanna put your kid in with a very different population Yeah.
Because you have a whole different set of issues maybe four weeks later. So, you know, although ESY seems like it'd be valuable for everyone, it needs to be entered into with good information and a real understanding of what's gonna happen over that next four weeks. Because even though it's just four weeks, you wanna make the most of it if if your kid needs to be in it, and then what are the possibilities if your kid doesn't need to be in it? Right? What other options does the school offer?
You know, what, the educational foundations of most cities, you know, Pasadena has the Pasadena Education Foundation. South Pasadena has the South Pasadena Education Foundation, and every city has their own education foundation or something like that that produces a summer program that may be more beneficial for your kid. That is not ESY. You you know, you mentioned regression. What what kind of regression do schools look for?
So if you've been working on an IEP goal, let's just say you really are trying to read. You're learning to read. You're in fifth grade and you're learning to read. And if you are gonna basically if it took you and this is gonna sound really bizarre, but it's it's it's not in in real life. Let's say that you're trying to really master reading comprehension and understand who, what, where, the w questions.
Right? And it's taken you one semester. You you have autism and you just can't relate to these really esoteric questions of who, what, where, when, and why. Right? And you have finally mastered what who means.
Who is a person? And you're not going to and you're gonna okay. So you've mastered who. Who is a person? Who?
Johnny? Who? Kevin? Who? Michelle.
Right on. If you are gone for three months and you have to come back and it takes you a semester to relearn who, you just missed out. Now the the argument I you know, the argument is, well, what's two months versus three months? You know, you get an extra month, but you're still gonna be offered two. I hear you, there is no no more amazing population than special ed parents.
Like, it is I walk into some of these parents' houses because I do house calls. And I walk into some of these parents' houses and their living room is a classroom. And the things their goals the kids' goals, there's, like, little workstations for the kids' goals. And it's not like they're tiger moms or tiger parents, but the parents really understand the challenges that these kids face. And so they have embedded the kids' learning opportunities from school through the IEPs into the home so that the kids are not missing an opportunity to be exposed to what it is they're trying to learn.
Mhmm. So I would say that these four weeks with that special ed teacher committed to them learning and remembering is going to help because the parents are gonna be right there those next two months doing exactly what was going on in school, plus, you know, whatever other remediation activities they have over the summer. I mean, the special ed parents are amazing people who just are relentless in making sure their kids get what they need. Yeah. Yeah.
That's awesome. I love to hear that. Yeah. Are the schools ever required to provide a ESY even if they say that the child doesn't qualify? So it goes back to that due process.
Okay. Question. If the district is like, no. They don't qualify and the parents are like, yeah. My kid does.
I've proven to you. Like, Christmas and Easter, when we break for Christmas and Easter and we come back, he doesn't remember anything, let alone when we come back in the fall. I've proven to you that how long it takes. So if the district is like, nope. Sorry.
No. Well, then you try to follow the informal process of resolving the issue. And if you can't, then you have to file due process. And then ultimately, if you're right and you fight and there's justice, you will win. And they'll cave.
And it's good with you because it's not worth it. Right? It's when when you really boil it down, it's a kid's education. What exactly are you fighting for? Right.
What are you fight why are you fighting against that? Yeah. It doesn't really make a lot of sense. Exactly. And sometimes it does.
Like, I've had school districts where I have, during IEP meetings, proven out whether it's ESY or proven out why we need something. And it's like, no. And disengaged administrators, whatever whatever. Sometimes even then with the informal, no. With the resolution, no.
With the mediation, no. And then finally, they'll say fine. What do you want? Mhmm. But it's You are us now.
Yeah. I want I want you to help my kid. Yeah. That that's what I want. And this is what I this is how I think you can help my kid.
And most parents are gonna fight for their kids and what they need. I mean, let's be honest. In in every aspect of life, you know, we all all parents understand that. Exactly. Exactly.
And and ESY is no different. And if your kid needs it, you should fight for it. But the only way you win and this, we may have covered this in in the, resolution the problem resolution, session, but it it's not to be gone in too lightly, and you have to start building your case right from the get go. It's not it's not something that you just get mad and file due process because you lose. Yeah.
Which, by the way, people lose 85% of the time in California. Parents lose 85% of the time. And it's not because they weren't right. It's because they didn't build their case. They didn't they didn't go about it the right way.
They reacted emotionally and quickly and yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. But if you do it the right way and, again, it's not complicated. You have all of the data at your fingertips.
Right. If you compile it and present it, it's undeniable. This stuff is not complicated. Yeah. It's gotta be tempting, though.
I mean I mean, I I'm I I pulled my kid out of a learn to skate class because I didn't like the way they were doing things, and I let him know about it. But I'm and I'm not a crazy parent. I promise. But, you know, I can totally understand why a a parent with a special needs child who is who who knows they need this stuff Yeah. Is gonna is it might react a bit too quickly or too, again, emotionally or, you know, again, just react.
Instead of plan, they just react. And I hope that some of the parents out there are are hear this show because I I really think that that it's important to know that, especially that statistic of eighty five percent. That's that's that's jarring. Yeah. Yeah.
And it it is I think it's because the the way cases are presented like, I use IEPs as my, this is a big giveaway here, but it's it's a good one for parents. I use IEPs basically to understand where the opposing party stands. Like, how when do you ever get a chance to sit in front of your adversary? And and I I I do say that just from a litigation standpoint. I do think that IEP teams, families, and school districts can work together.
And I do think that they can work together despite disagreements. But there's no better time to gather your data than to sit and listen to what the teacher is saying. Right? You know, if if they're gonna say it in an IEP meeting, they're gonna say it in front of a judge. Absolutely.
You already know what they're gonna tell the judge. This is how you build your case. You listen to what they all say in the IEP meetings. And then then you understand where they're coming from. You know where you're coming from.
You know how to build this. They do. The parents have so much more power than they know because it's all right there in in in the performance, in the in the actual schoolwork, in their experience. And then the piece that's most difficult is the assessment data. But everything else is on their side if they're right.
Mhmm. Yeah. So and and just one last thing on this this notion of being adversary, you know, an adversarial party. When parents call me, they'll often say, just bringing a lawyer in make the relationship more contentious? And I would say question.
Yeah. It's a great question. Yeah. In my experience, it makes it better. Because I feel like I can model for the parents exactly how to handle the situation.
And at the same time, the school district really does understand that they have somebody working with the parents who can see both sides of the story. And at at the end of the day, I would say, at the end of a meeting, what started off as two parties on either side of the table becomes one party working for one thing, which is the benefit of the kid. 9.9 out of 10 times, I will tell you, it works to the parents' advantage to bring in a lawyer who's wanting to collaborate and figure out how to help the kid. Right. I do what's best.
Wanna sue, you can have your two sides of the table. But if you wanna help your kid solve the problems. That's really good, that perspective. I think that's a really good perspective. Remember, you're not don't think of it as a as a fight with the school.
Think about it as a what what can we do to do what's best for for my for my child. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And if you go in with that perspective, you will end up with everyone on the same side of the table.
Yeah. Eventually, if it's not the first meeting, eventually. Because, you know, parents I had this one I don't I don't know how much time we have left, but I had this one I had this one parent who didn't have any assessments. They were young, adorable couple. And they went to the school district and said, I want an IEE.
And the school district denied them, procedurally denied them because they've never even had an assessment. How do you have an IEE when you haven't even had an assessment? And when they they called me in because they wanted that IEE. And so I had to explain to them. I said, oh, so what do you do for a living?
I I drive a forklift. I said, okay. So what would you think if I came to you and said, I think that I think that you need in your warehouse to use a lowboy to get that off of that shelf. You tell me I I don't know what I'm talking about. I need to use that forklift because it raises up high enough.
Right? You would you would tell me no because I know what I'm doing, and I wouldn't do what you're recommending. I said, well, that's the same thing with parents and school districts. Sometimes we ask for things we don't even know what they are or if we're right. You know?
So so I'm not saying these days when we see things on social media and we read we we so we're so often we read headlines or or a couple of sentences, but not the whole article or things like that. So we're very, oh, very partially informed a lot of times. Exactly. And and that's why having an advocate when you really don't know what's going on or having a lawyer who is not motivated to litigate. You just you need to understand the landscape.
And that's not a criticism of parents because parents are doing the best they can just to get research under their belts. Oh, I mean, you're figuring everything out as you go. Right? I mean, I've I've tried to figure out the schooling and all that stuff. It's it's a little complicated.
It's more so than I would have thought. That's for sure. Exactly. You don't just send your kid across the street to the elementary school Right. And they learn to read miraculously.
Right? So what I would say to parents in the ESY contact context or IEP or assessment or five zero four plan, whatever it is, give yourself the space to learn and seek understanding from the school district. I'm not saying they're right. You are right. Parents are right 99% of the time.
You just may not know what you're right about. Right. You could be right about the wrong thing. Right? So give yourself the space to kind of work through the issues because this is like, we talked about in the assessment section, what starts off as just not knowing nine letters of the alphabet in fifth grade turns out to be dyslexia.
That's a whole different situation that requires a whole different approach than just teaching letters. So just, yeah, than just summer school or or or getting an extra some extra work in. Yeah. Exactly. So so I would just say there's room for growth and an opportunity to help your kid that does not include a fight.
Alright. Well, that's great stuff as always, Michelle. Thanks for joining us on A Peaceful Path. If you think your child may need services beyond the regular school year, don't wait for the school to bring it up. Visit michellebeckerlaw.com to get guidance from Michelle and make sure your child's plan includes everything you're entitled to.
Don't forget to subscribe to our channel. Leave us a review. We greatly appreciate it. Michelle, I always greatly appreciate your time. Thanks so much.
Thanks for having me. See you next time.
