Anthonette Cayedito, Christmas Miracle & Burned Businessman

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Hey everybody, I'm Sarah.
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And I'm Ben.
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And welcome back to another episode of The Unsolved Couple,
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where every week Ben and I recap one of your
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original gateway drugs into true crime.
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Unsolved mysteries.
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Was that a question? Was that a question for the class?
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No, I'm just trying to mix it up. And I
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can only do so much over here.
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With two words, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean... I'm just, I'm trying to.
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Do you want to switch? Should we, should you start
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doing the introduction and I'll say Unsolved Mysteries?
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I don't know. We'll see.
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Should we try? Five, six, seven, eight.
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Go. I'll just, we'll see.
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I just want to see if you can do it.
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Hi, everybody. I'm Ben.
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And I'm Sierra.
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Welcome back to another episode of The Unsolved Couple, where
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every week, Sierra and I recap one of your original
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gateway drugs into true crime.
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Unsolved Mysteries.
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No, question mark.
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Unsolved Mysteries? You sounded like Scooby-Doo there.
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Mysteries? That's from Anchorman. I think I did it with
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a question mark before one time a while ago. I'm
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just trying to keep it original. Off the cuff here.
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Nobody wants me to do the same thing every time.
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Yeah, maybe.
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You know, got to mix it up. Yeah.
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You don't want people to get bored. Got to keep
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them on their toes.
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Exactly. Story of my life.
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What day of the week is it? Well, it's Tuesday,
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but what day is this dropping? 29th. Almost to October.
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Almost.
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Best time of the year.
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It is your favorite time. But you've been ready for it.
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We've had decorations up for weeks. Yep. We're getting ready.
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I got my witch's brew in the refrigerator.
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From now until New Year's is the best time of
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the year. I agree.
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I think we talk about this every week, which means
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we're getting really old and boring.
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I know. I hate talking about the weather.
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I hate it.
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I know you do. When people want to talk to
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me about the weather, it irritates me. And we do
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talk about it a lot here because it's really hot.
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Well, because I just hate the weather here.
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It's really hot. But it is when people call me.
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I have certain people in my life that call me.
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And that's one of the second questions.
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It is.
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It's on the top five questions.
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It is a regular conversation because they don't live here.
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And here's the thing about Arizona. The weather's always the same.
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It's sunny and hot. Yep. And having a conversation about
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the weather instantly changes. I get insta-pissed. Okay.
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Well, you're the one that brought it up this time.
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I didn't bring up the weather. I just brought up
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my pet peeve. I have a lot of them.
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I know. That would be a long podcast.
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It would be. It's a podcast for another day. How
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are you, Ben?
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I'm good. I had a very interesting weekend thus far.
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I don't know if I want to tell the story
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of what happened to me this weekend.
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No, let's maybe save that one for another day. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was, but it was interesting. And another reason why
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sometimes men are the worst. And I guess I'll leave
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it at that. Okay. Well, I mean, I don't really
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have anything other than make sure to leave us a
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five-star rating and review.
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Five stars.
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Five stars.
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Ten stars.
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I know. We've got a few new ones. Maybe I
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should read a few between our stories. Betwixt our stories,
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I could.
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Betwixt the stories.
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Betwixt the stories, I could tell... I could read some
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of our reviews. And then follow us on social media,
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Unsolved Couple Pod. Shoot us an email with anything you
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have to... If anything's on your mind, unsolvedcouplepod at gmail.com.
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You're upset about something. You wanted to get it off
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your chest.
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Yeah, I mean.
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You want to tell Sierra something.
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You want to tell me something that's making you feel
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some kind of way? I will listen to it. I
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might not have any advice to give back, but I'm
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here for you.
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I think you'll probably have advice. You usually have. You
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usually have a comment.
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I usually have opinions. Okay. So we're recapping. What are we?
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Episode or season five, episode 14, 14, one, four. And
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this was the Christmas special.
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It was big deal. I look up, it came out,
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I think, on the 23rd. Oh, okay. Literally just a
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couple days before Christmas. Technically, if you're doing math, two days.
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Two days if you're fancy. Christmas Eve Eve is what
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we like to call it.
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We do call it Christmas Eve Eve in our house.
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I'm sure a lot of people don't think we're original
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in that aspect.
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No, we are. We're original. I came up with it.
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Ben has copyrighted it.
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Did you think you did?
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You're wrong.
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I'm just telling you right now you're wrong.
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So, but I do think it's interesting that this is
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the Christmas special and we have two pretty terribly sad
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cases and then some lighthearted ones. It's a real... It's
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a real rollercoaster of emotion.
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They still gotta get into it.
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They could have stuck with some lighter hearted like ghost
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stories and things like that. Maybe a UFO. I guarantee
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there's gotta be some sort of Christmas UFO.
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But it would be a Christmas miracle for some of
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these people if Their family's case got solved. I agree.
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Okay. I'm starting you off. Which one am I doing first? The.
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We just had a pre-production meeting.
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We just had our.
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You are correct. We did have our pre-production meeting. And
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I'm telling you about the miracle.
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Miracle. We're going to bookend it with good stories.
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Good story, sad story, good story. No, no, no. Good story, sad, sad.
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Good story, sad, sad. Good.
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Good.
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Okay.
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So. I got to carry this podcast, man. I got
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to stay on top of these things. I got to
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keep you in line.
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What can we do without men in our lives?
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I got to keep you in line. I got to
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keep you focused.
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Exactly.
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All right. Tell us a miracle.
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Okay. So this is a miracle about a boy named
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Chucky McGivern.
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G-I-V-E-R-N.
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Is that a question?
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Yeah.
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McGriven. Givern. McGivern. That's what I'm going to go with.
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McGivern.
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Okay. So Chucky is from Philly of the Delphia. Not
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where the cheese comes from. Maybe does Philadelphia cream cheese
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come from Philadelphia? Did they invent cream cheese in Philadelphia?
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I don't know. Do you want me to Google it?
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I mean, you could do something.
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I've got production going on over here, trying to keep
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you focused and straight with your stories.
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So this sweet little boy is from Philly, and that's
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in Pennsylvania for people that don't know, because I obviously
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knew where that was. He survived a life-threatening illness as
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a child. He and his family believe that a saint
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helped save him. When he became ill, they never imagined
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that they would be chosen to receive such a gift
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unto us, a child is born. And his name was Chucky,
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and he was saved. And then he told a story
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on Unsolved Mysteries. Their remarkable story begins during the Christmas
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season of 1982. Green Cheese did.
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Not originate in Philadelphia. It technically originated in Chester, New
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York in 1872.
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Ooh, Philadelphia comes swooping in and stole the cream cheese.
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I just think that's the company that makes it.
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I know. You are correct. So, Christmas, 1982. Ben and
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I weren't even born yet. The day, at that time,
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Chucky was seven years old, and he had come home
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early from school with a case of the chicken pox.
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which I don't think happens as much anymore, but back
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in the 80s and early 90s, the way we actually
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dealt with chicken pox was usually if someone got sick
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with chicken pox, then all the moms would get the
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kids together and have chicken pox parties so that all
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the kids could just kind of get it and move
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on and not have it anymore.
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Philadelphia cream cheese isn't even made in Philadelphia.
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Oh, this is breaking news. News. What? Where is it
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made at?
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New York. Lowville, New York.
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Not even Chester where it started at originally.
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It has never been produced in Philadelphia.
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Then why do they call it the Philadelphia Cream Cheese Company?
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AI says because Philadelphia was famous for high quality dairy
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products back then.
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The F it was.
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Watch your language. Okay.
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Breaking news. If you guys are just as aghast as
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I am, feel free to take a second and absorb
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that information.
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The lies.
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Yeah, we've been lied to this entire time. Philadelphia cream cheese?
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Get right with yourself.
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Tariff them.
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Yeah. Okay. So Chuck comes home, 1982. He's seven years old.
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Early from school, case of the chicken box. Bada bing,
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bada boom. I'm going to guess no red flags were
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really being thrown quite yet.
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I think all kids back then eventually got chicken pox.
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I just told that story while you were looking up stuff.
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I was deep into Philadelphia.
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I was talking about chicken pox parties. That's how most
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of us were exposed to chicken pox.
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I got it from a sister.
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Which one?
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Amanda.
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Amanda. Yeah.
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That tracks.
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Amanda would give you chicken pox.
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I don't know where she got it from. She got it.
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Then I got it. I was miserable.
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Really?
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I don't remember getting chicken pox.
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You don't remember? Oh man, I remember. And it was miserable.
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Just because you were like super scratchy?
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It was super scratchy. Put that like chamomile lotion on.
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The pink stuff?
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Yeah.
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I love that stuff.
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And my parents wouldn't like let me go outside or
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do anything. I remember just- Did you have to put
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socks on your hands?
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I don't remember. So you wouldn't scratch them?
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Probably. Yeah. But I just remember we had a big
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window in the front yard and I would just sit
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in a chair and stare out the front window because
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I couldn't go outside. I couldn't do anything. And all
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I could do is just sit there and think about how.
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I wanted to itch everything. And think about how you're
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not allowed to scratch everything that's itchy. Yeah.
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It's awful. Chickenpox is terrible. I'm glad we have a
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vaccine for it now.
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Ooh, hot take from Ben. He loves vaccines.
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I just said, I'm glad we have a vaccine for
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chickenpox now.
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You guys heard it here first.
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Okay.
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So three days later, though, sadly, Chucky's older brother, Stefan,
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frantically runs downstairs. Mom, mom, mom. And the dad, this
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is getting confusing because his name is also Chucky. So
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Chuck and Nancy, I'll refer to him as Chuck. The
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little boy will be Chucky. So Chuck and Nancy run
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upstairs and Chucky had taken a weird turn for the worse.
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Okay.
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Most of the time, I think his mom's when we
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run in and our kids have been sick, we expect
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to see him red and feverish, but he was ice
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cold and was like in and out of consciousness. That
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would be terrifying as a mother. Yeah. That's a good sign.
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So he immediately is rushed to the hospital and he's
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sent all the way straight to like the children's hospital
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of Philadelphia. Like he's, in big time problems here because
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we're going to find out that his brain has started
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to swell so chuck and nancy wait for over an
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hour while the doctors are able to get his condition
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stabilized but he's not out of the clear yet so
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nancy says the doctor warns her when she goes into
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chucky's room that he's gonna look like he's dead.
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Yeah this is a Like, the way they describe how
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he looks, it's got to be a parent's worst nightmare.
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I will be honest, I didn't even, like, know that
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that would... I'd never heard of this disease that we're
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about to find out.
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I'd never heard of it either.
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and he was pure white. Like, all the blood.
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He's literally almost dead.
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He looks like a corpse. Yeah.
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Uh, he had, she said he had a bolt in
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his skull and I'm going to guess that's to help
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relieve the pressure, the brain swelling.
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I mean, it's 1982 and they're doing the best they can.
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Obviously a lot of medicines come a long way since then.
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like his IV, like every major organ in his body
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is being supplemented in some way, shape or form. Um,
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He had a heartbeat monitor on like everything. And she's
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obviously shocked and taken aback about what she's looking at.
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So we find out that Chucky's diagnosis is pretty grim.
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He had Reyes syndrome, R-E-Y-E-S, Reyes syndrome, a rare disease
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of the nervous system, brain and liver disease. It's virtually
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unique to children and often fatal. Are you going to
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look up and see if this is even a thing anymore?
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We have three kids and I have never heard like, hey,
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you should be aware of this.
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Well, and growing up, I've never heard anything like this.
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No, R-E-Y-E-S. I did know.
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R-E-Y-E-S.
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And I mean, I knew that chickenpox at times could
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have complications and become fatal for kids. But I didn't
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know to what extent.
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Right.
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So doctors and nurses are doing whatever they can to
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stop this disease from advancing. That night, the doctor meets
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with Chuck and Nancy and tells them that their son
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is very sick and that the disease is very advanced.
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Chuck asks the doctor if his son is going to
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be all right. And the doctor is honest with him
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and says, like, he's not sure. He wants to be
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very clear. So Nancy then asked the doctor, what are
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the chances of his survival? The doctor said that at
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the time, the numbers were not looking promising. And he
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said even if Chucky did recover in severe cases like
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their son had, he had a high possibility of brain damage.
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And that if Chucky survived, it would be possible he
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would never be able to fully take care of himself
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ever again.
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So it says that it's not very common today because
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it's about 20. Fewer than 20 cases. It's mostly triggered
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by chickenpox. But so since the vaccine.
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I wonder if this is one of the main reasons
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why we got the chickenpox vaccine.
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But in the early 1980s, there was over 550 plus cases.
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A year? Just says cases. Now there's less than 20
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a year. Okay.
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So. Crazy.
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Yeah.
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It is interesting that certain things can trigger other things.
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Like you and I have, you know, we don't have
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to go into your medical history, but that has even
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happened to you as an adult to get sick with
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strep throat and have it turn into something wildly different
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that was life-threatening as well to go from something that
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needed an antibiotic to, you know, a hospital admittance is crazy. Okay.
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Despite the bleak prognosis, Chuck and Nancy refused to give
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up hope. And the fact that there was a small
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chance that their son could survive was enough for them
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to keep pushing forward. And they had faith that Chucky
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would pull through.
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Yes, Ben. Yeah, it was like two to 500 cases
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a year back.
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In the 80s. Holy cow.
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So Nancy decides at this point she wants a miracle.
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And she's kind of like... pretty headstrong on it, but
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also felt that those were for only people that were
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quote unquote, she used the word chosen and that she
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really hadn't done anything in her mind to be chosen,
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but she knew and felt that what she could do
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is she could pray. So Chuck and Nancy move into
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the hospital to be closer to their son, Chucky. They
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are soon joined by a gaggle of other relatives. In
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the reenactment, the whole waiting room lobby is just full
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of these people in their lives who come to support
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this family. And they bring religious medals for comfort and healing.
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Nancy's cousin, Jerry, gave her a particular unique ornament, and
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it was a relic from the robe of St. John Newman,
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the patron saint of vocations. And he told her that
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he had actually had this like it just looked like
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a piece of jewelry, like a medallion in his pocket
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when he was in a car crash when visiting Italy.
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And he had felt he had faith that him having
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that religious token with him at the time saved his life.
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And he wanted to pass that on to his nephew
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or no, his second cousin, Chucky, as well. So we
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get a little bit of some brief history on John Newman,
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who eventually becomes inducted into sainthood. So Newman came to
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the United States from Bohemia in 1836 because there was
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an overabundance of priests in Bohemia. He worked at several
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churches throughout the Northeast and was known just as a
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simple kind of tireless preacher or priest who would ultimately
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become the fourth bishop of Philadelphia and no word on
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if he was part of the Philadelphia cream cheese scandal.
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So his diocese, I think that's how you say that word.
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Yes.
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Stretched all the way from Pittsburgh, all the way to Pittsburgh.
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And he would often travel there sometimes on foot. And
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he helped create the modern day Catholic school curriculum and
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wrote the book, Baltimore Cashim. So, In 1860, Newman died
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of a stroke and was buried at St. Peter's Church.
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Put a pin in that because we're going to get
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around to that burial later. And almost immediately, people began
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praying for favors and blessings to him. Now, full disclosure, no.
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Ben and I are Catholic. I don't know how this works.
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I was not aware that when a priest passed away,
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people prayed to that priest. Do you know anything about that?
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I can't speak. I don't know. I'm not.
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Yeah. So I don't know. I guess what I'm saying
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is I don't know if that's a common practice or
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if this started happening and it's more rare, but usually
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is reserved for me.
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They do like pray to the saints.
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I did know that. Yeah. But to pray to a priest,
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I'd never heard of that before.
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I don't know.
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So they begin praying to him, asking for favors and blessings.
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And during the 1890s, Philadelphia is struck by a typhoid.
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And oh, I don't know what this medical word is.
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It's not. Chloria. C-H-O-L-E-R-A.
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Chloria. Chloria.
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What do you think that is?
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I don't know. I don't have to see it. Typhoid.
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Typhoid.
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Typhoid fever?
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Typhoid fever. I know what typhoid is. Have you actually
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heard of the story of Typhoid Mary?
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No.
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Oh, it's an amazing story about a housemaid who, or
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I guess a chef, who was one of the carriers
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of typhoid, but she was asymptomatic. And she made peaches
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and ice cream for a lot of rich people, was
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really well known for that, and worked in a hospital.
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As in the cafeteria and at a few hotels and
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was legitimately giving typhoid to tons of people.
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I actually think we talked about this in another episode.
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Yeah, they sent her off to an island and she
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was basically like lost all of her rights because she
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was asymptomatic. Infecting everyone. Yeah. Okay. So typhoid... It hits
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and it's an epidemic and thousands of people died. So,
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but everyone at St. Peter's was spared. So that's kind
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of like where the start of this miracle question mark
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is coming from. And in 1923, a young girl was
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cured of pertitis when a picture of Newman was placed
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on her abdomen.
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Okay. Okay.
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So, before long, a number of miracles had been attributed
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to Newman, and in 1949, a teenager ended up in
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a coma after he was seriously injured in a car accident.
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His parents prayed to Newman and were given a relic
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of his shortly after. It was placed on their son's body.
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He recovered, and in 1977, Newman was canonized? Can-o?
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Canonized.
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Yeah, is that how you say it? and declared the
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first American male saint. So it seems like I looked
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it up because I think I was asking you.
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He was breaking glass ceilings.
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Oh, those men's and their glass ceilings are always keeping
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them down. I looked it up. I thought you had
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to perform miracles when you were alive. You actually can't
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be considered a saint. It seems like from my quick
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three second Google search and A.I., That this happens post-mortem. So,
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grasping at anything that could.
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Will you be trying to make me a saint later on? No, Ben.
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Thank you.
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Please, can you imagine you being a saint? Saint of hottie.
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Saint hottie. I'm grasping at anything that could offer hope.
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Nancy pins all of the relics like in the reenactment.
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She's got like Bobby pin, not Bobbins, safety pins. And
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she's putting all of these different like little tokens and
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treasures and trinkets all around her son's head on his pillow.
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You know what? At this point. As a parent, you
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do whatever you can. You do anything. Anything you think.
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And I will say, the very first thing she said is,
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if you're telling me that there is a chance, the
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one thing I can do is pray.
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Yeah, I think the dad said, he goes, all I
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had left was to pray. And he goes, and I
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prayed so hard.
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Yeah. So she pins all these relics to the pillow.
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And she.
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She did that specifically to have them near his head
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because of the pressure on his brain. And they gave
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her strength and they brought hope to her and her family.
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And they tell us that both the parents are interviewed
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that they'd never really been a very religious family. In fact,
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they hadn't been to church in years. But now they
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found themselves turning to God, praying that Chucky would not die.
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Chuck himself said that he had never prayed so hard
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in his life before and he would do anything to
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help his son. So, of course, despite the prayers and
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efforts of all of the family, you know, doing all
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of this that they can, Chucky's condition continues to deteriorate.
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That was a fun line. Chucky's condition continues to deteriorate.
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On Sunday, the day after he was admitted to the hospital,
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his lungs collapsed. His kidneys stop working and he begins
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to suffer from pneumonia. That night, while Nancy was alone
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in the room, two nurses walked in and they apparently
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didn't notice that she was there because one of them
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said to the other, I don't think he is going
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to make it.
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Yeah, I mean, that's a lot. Lungs collapsing, pneumonia, like
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your kidneys failing.
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This kid's like seven years old.
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Your whole body is shutting down.
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And you've got brain swelling.
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Yeah. So....
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They spent the next 48 hours basically just like living
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in the hospital. And she would come in every couple
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of hours to check on her son. And she noticed
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something weird was happening is every time she would come in,
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the medallion on his pillow had been faced upside down.
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And so she would fix it. And she said the
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point where she thought she was like starting to maybe
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go crazy. because she couldn't figure out like who was
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coming in and messing with these things. Then she also
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noticed one time when she came back to the room
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that someone had taped up a drawing or a painting
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of this St. Newman and St. John Newman. And they
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couldn't ever track down. No one ever came forward and
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said that they had done it. So she's just noticing
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these little things. And yet none of the nurses or anyone,
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took any ownership over messing with the trinkets on his
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00:26:51.329 --> 00:26:55.809
pillow or providing the photo. It just seems like things
499
00:26:55.849 --> 00:26:59.759
had kind of come out of nowhere. So fast forward
500
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.420
Monday morning, Chuck, the dad has an odd encounter in
501
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.460
the waiting room. It was in the afternoon and he
502
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.420
was watching TV. He noticed that a young boy, um,
503
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.970
kind of came halfway into the waiting room looking a
504
00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:20.049
little shabby, uh, And he used the word poor, just
505
00:27:20.089 --> 00:27:24.049
kind of skinny, scrawny, shabby looking kid. maybe about 11
506
00:27:24.049 --> 00:27:27.299
or 12 years old, had a plaid jacket, kind of rumply,
507
00:27:27.339 --> 00:27:32.240
dirty hair and wore black rimmed glasses. He had a
508
00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:36.099
lightning bolt scar on his forehead.
509
00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:40.150
Now you're getting away from the story. I knew you,
510
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.329
I actually thought it seemed like he kind of looks
511
00:27:42.369 --> 00:27:43.269
like Harry Potter.
512
00:27:43.309 --> 00:27:46.329
Yeah, no, he did have the black rimmed glasses, but
513
00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:49.930
no word on the scar. So he looked around at
514
00:27:49.970 --> 00:27:52.109
everybody in the room and Chuck figured that he had
515
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.289
was likely some kid that was there with his parents. However,
516
00:27:56.349 --> 00:28:01.009
he like made like a really intense or intentional, I guess,
517
00:28:01.029 --> 00:28:04.089
word eye contact, he said with this kid and the
518
00:28:04.130 --> 00:28:06.470
boy smiled at him and then just kind of walked
519
00:28:06.650 --> 00:28:14.470
out of the room and left. Um, and they tell
520
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:21.269
us later that The hospital staff later says something that, hey,
521
00:28:21.329 --> 00:28:23.950
we don't want to alarm you, but a young boy
522
00:28:24.130 --> 00:28:29.460
wandered in to Chuck's room and or to Chucky's room
523
00:28:29.619 --> 00:28:31.559
and kind of stood there and was saying that he
524
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:36.380
just wanted to visit Chucky. And the doctors are like,
525
00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:37.809
what are you doing here? And he's like, I just
526
00:28:37.849 --> 00:28:42.309
came here to visit him and then left. I mean,
527
00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:46.180
to the point where like. They even, like, called security
528
00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:49.099
to try to find out, like, there's a kid wandering around, like,
529
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:49.660
the ICU.
530
00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:52.019
Well, at least two enough to mention it to the parents.
531
00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:54.630
Yeah, that they were concerned that someone just kind of
532
00:28:54.789 --> 00:28:56.230
wandered into the room.
533
00:28:56.250 --> 00:28:57.930
So, I.
534
00:28:59.529 --> 00:28:59.950
Don't know.
535
00:29:00.789 --> 00:29:01.190
We.
536
00:29:01.609 --> 00:29:05.500
Things are not looking good because... We get next an
537
00:29:05.619 --> 00:29:11.109
interview from a man named Father Robert Roncase, and he
538
00:29:11.289 --> 00:29:13.730
is the father of St. Martin's Church. And I don't
539
00:29:13.750 --> 00:29:15.950
know if this is the church that the family was attending.
540
00:29:16.349 --> 00:29:19.990
They didn't really clarify that. But he heard about this
541
00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:23.089
boy and felt impressed to go give the kid his
542
00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:26.009
last rites, which I think is a prayer that they
543
00:29:26.029 --> 00:29:27.349
do before people pass away.
544
00:29:27.369 --> 00:29:33.019
I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not Catholic, so
545
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.960
I'm not 100% certain on that. And he said that
546
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:35.500
he went.
547
00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:43.259
In and he anointed him and does this prayer. And again,
548
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.059
I'm not sure what that looks like because I haven't
549
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:50.660
seen this performed before. But that as he was doing this,
550
00:29:50.859 --> 00:29:56.559
he felt a very strong, overwhelming feeling that there was
551
00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:00.579
a presence there. in the room that he attributed to
552
00:30:01.220 --> 00:30:06.670
the holy spirit and the grace and strength of god
553
00:30:06.690 --> 00:30:11.509
you guys and this is giving me goosebumps like telling
554
00:30:11.569 --> 00:30:16.369
this story because an hour later after this priest came
555
00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:21.779
in to visit chucky starts to move his hand when
556
00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:27.029
a nurse is in there checking on him and He
557
00:30:27.430 --> 00:30:30.930
actually like reaches up and like this feeling around his face.
558
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.259
And then within a few hours of that kind of
559
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.740
firsthand twitch and movement of the arm, he is sitting
560
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:43.069
up in bed off life support, answering questions. And to
561
00:30:43.109 --> 00:30:45.750
Chuck and Nancy, as the parents of this boy, they
562
00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:47.549
believe that this is a miracle.
563
00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:49.490
Well, it is a miracle. Yeah, absolutely.
564
00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:50.470
Absolutely.
565
00:30:50.950 --> 00:30:54.069
Your son's brain is swelling. He's in tubes. Your lungs,
566
00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:55.410
his lungs are collapsed.
567
00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:58.279
His kidneys are failing. Liver is shot.
568
00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:03.920
Yep. This kid is literally one step from death. Yeah.
569
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:10.079
And within what, a few days? Mm-hmm. He's now sitting
570
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:10.619
up talking.
571
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.859
He came home early from school. And then by the following,
572
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.460
then he was in the, he was hospitalized over the weekend.
573
00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:21.549
And by Monday evening, this is happening. And there was
574
00:31:21.609 --> 00:31:23.819
no indications up until that point that he was improving.
575
00:31:23.859 --> 00:31:25.079
In fact, he was getting worse.
576
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:30.960
And it's clear. I mean, yeah, this is a miracle.
577
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:36.960
And so Chucky actually starts to tell Chuck and Nancy
578
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:42.309
that when he was unconscious, he dreamt that his room
579
00:31:42.369 --> 00:31:45.809
was full of children that were there visiting him and
580
00:31:45.869 --> 00:31:50.490
bringing him gifts and And that there was one child
581
00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:56.650
in particular that represented in his dream state, his best friend.
582
00:31:57.849 --> 00:32:00.119
He felt very connected to this kid that was there.
583
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.019
He felt that the kid was there to keep him safe.
584
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.400
And that when he was feeling scared or in pain,
585
00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:10.140
that kid was there to kind of help him through that.
586
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.359
And so he asked where.
587
00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:17.950
Sorry, if you guys can hear that. It literally all
588
00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:19.470
of a sudden, I have no words, just started dumping
589
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.559
rain and it's very loud outside of our window. And
590
00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:23.140
I didn't even, there was not a cloud in the
591
00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:28.380
sky earlier this evening. That's so weird. And so he
592
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.519
asked like where the presents were, where the kids were.
593
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.220
Like he was in, he didn't, he was having a
594
00:32:34.220 --> 00:32:40.190
hard time distinguishing, obviously, reality versus non-reality. Didn't you have
595
00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:42.609
a story like this one time? It was my brother,
596
00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:52.390
I think. No, my brother injured his, like shattered his
597
00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:56.109
ankle really bad and was on all kinds of pain
598
00:32:56.130 --> 00:32:59.049
meds and was in the hospital overnight. And the next
599
00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:01.470
day when like we were in there visiting and stuff,
600
00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:05.190
he was very concerned about the man in the bed
601
00:33:05.299 --> 00:33:07.180
next to him because he'd had a rough night and
602
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:11.299
all of this stuff. And my brother was just like
603
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.279
wanting to make sure that he was okay and had
604
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.779
been attended to. there was no one in his room
605
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.579
the whole night. Yeah.
606
00:33:18.740 --> 00:33:21.099
No, when I was hospitalized, first time we were in
607
00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:23.619
our marriage, I was on morphine all night and I was,
608
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.549
I hallucinated. I'm not saying this kid was hallucinating. This
609
00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:31.269
kid was, that's no, I was saying I hallucinated on morphine.
610
00:33:31.369 --> 00:33:32.950
Do you remember what you were hallucinated about?
611
00:33:32.970 --> 00:33:35.670
There was people like, there was a dude in my room. Like, yeah,
612
00:33:35.690 --> 00:33:38.759
there was weird stuff that happened, but I knew like,
613
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.240
but there was a part of me in my mind.
614
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.529
I knew stuff wasn't right. And yeah, I was so
615
00:33:45.609 --> 00:33:46.950
messed up. You were.
616
00:33:47.029 --> 00:33:48.529
And you were. By that point, you hadn't slept in
617
00:33:48.569 --> 00:33:50.089
like two days and they gave you morphine.
618
00:33:50.109 --> 00:33:52.890
I'd lost like 20 pounds. I'd been so sick for
619
00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:56.000
so long. Like I was. Yeah.
620
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.380
This is what the story I was mentioning at the
621
00:33:58.420 --> 00:34:01.160
beginning of this is that legitimately Ben went in with
622
00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:04.700
strep throat, was given antibiotics. And then like a week
623
00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:06.619
and a half later was near death.
624
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:09.849
Yeah. I actually really did think I was about to die.
625
00:34:09.949 --> 00:34:10.110
Yeah.
626
00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:12.900
And I ended up in the hospital and I was
627
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.750
on all kinds of medications. And I knew like when
628
00:34:15.789 --> 00:34:17.510
I was in the hospital, I was on those meds,
629
00:34:17.590 --> 00:34:20.949
but I was never unconscious. My lungs were not collapsing.
630
00:34:20.989 --> 00:34:24.329
Like I was not, my brain wasn't swelling. Like, but
631
00:34:24.369 --> 00:34:27.530
I remember they'd been pumping morphine into my thing and
632
00:34:27.570 --> 00:34:30.639
I didn't sleep at all. And I, by morning I
633
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.780
had no, slept and i was hallucinating all kinds.
634
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.179
Of things in the morning um after because i was
635
00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:38.780
up i was there with you till pretty late at
636
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.079
night and then left and came back in the morning
637
00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:44.900
you hadn't slept and you like didn't realize that i
638
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.260
had left like you were talking to me like we'd
639
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.320
had conversations in the night i was like messed up
640
00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:55.570
no so however i mean it just goes to show
641
00:34:55.610 --> 00:34:59.530
because chucky was He slipped out in out of consciousness
642
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:01.210
before he even went to the hospital. So he was
643
00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:07.780
never actually coherent while being in the hospital. So on Saturday,
644
00:35:08.179 --> 00:35:12.420
one week after he had lapsed into a coma and
645
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.119
now a week before Christmas, Chucky is released from the hospital.
646
00:35:18.019 --> 00:35:21.199
And according to Nancy and the doctors, like they had
647
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:28.090
never seen anyone recover from so quickly from being so
648
00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:32.190
gravely ill and they go back three months later for
649
00:35:32.210 --> 00:35:37.599
a checkup everything's all clear no permanent damages so two
650
00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:41.000
weeks after chucky leaves the hospital chuck and nancy take
651
00:35:41.059 --> 00:35:44.619
him to newman's shrine in philadelphia this is where i
652
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:51.860
said put a pin in that later because uh John Newman,
653
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:56.280
the saint is entombed in this. And I will say,
654
00:35:56.500 --> 00:35:57.639
I didn't look this up because I don't know if
655
00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:00.480
it's still there today, but he's like in a glass coffin,
656
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.420
you guys, and his body, like they're on Unsolved Mysteries
657
00:36:03.460 --> 00:36:05.960
walking through this. And that freaks me out a little bit,
658
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.960
but I mean, everyone's got their thing.
659
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:08.159
Yeah.
660
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.260
So while he's there though, Chucky kind of wanders around
661
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.340
the monastery that has several pictures and relics of Newman's.
662
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.760
And Chuck and Nancy find him and notice that he
663
00:36:21.889 --> 00:36:27.329
has sat in front of a painting that depicts Newman
664
00:36:27.369 --> 00:36:32.780
as a child. And Chucky tells his parents, that's the
665
00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:36.360
boy that was at the hospital with me. Like, that's
666
00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:38.800
who was my best friend at the hospital the whole time.
667
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.039
He was the one that was there hanging out. And...
668
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.610
We actually get interviews from Chucky in Unsolved Mysteries. He
669
00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:50.610
says he doesn't know why this happened to him. He's
670
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:52.730
very grateful. Obviously, it seems like.
671
00:36:53.710 --> 00:36:55.329
But he sure doesn't go back on a story.
672
00:36:56.090 --> 00:36:58.590
No, he doesn't because he's a teenager. And he's like,
673
00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.210
this happened. And he's like, I feel very connected to
674
00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:03.570
this to the same. He's like, I feel like he
675
00:37:03.590 --> 00:37:05.269
has been a part of my life and that he
676
00:37:05.289 --> 00:37:07.690
has always been close and nearby and is keeping me
677
00:37:07.750 --> 00:37:12.400
safe and. So on and so forth. So that is
678
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:15.179
the miracle from Unsolved Mysteries. And I will say it
679
00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:17.900
was very sweet because normally we get a little bit
680
00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:19.139
of shade or skepticism.
681
00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:22.099
I was going to say, did you write, because Robert
682
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.280
Stack's quote at the end is beautiful.
683
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:26.619
I didn't write it down, but he did give us,
684
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:33.869
he talks about the fact that Miracles happen. And yeah,
685
00:37:33.949 --> 00:37:36.110
it just was a very sweet. This might be unsolved,
686
00:37:36.170 --> 00:37:39.110
but it's not. Yeah, I should have written it down.
687
00:37:39.150 --> 00:37:41.889
His quote was actually pretty beautiful.
688
00:37:42.230 --> 00:37:44.530
He didn't throw any shade at this and no skepticism
689
00:37:44.550 --> 00:37:45.239
at all.
690
00:37:46.460 --> 00:37:47.159
No, he doesn't.
691
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:48.960
He calls it what it is. He says, this is
692
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.369
a miracle. There's no unsolved mystery about it.
693
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.559
Yeah, something like this really isn't an unsolved mystery. Something
694
00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:59.260
about that. I really enjoyed his quote at the end. Yeah.
695
00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:03.829
So I was able to, with, I'm 98% certain because
696
00:38:03.849 --> 00:38:07.409
there's a reference into one of this, find Chucky.
697
00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:09.030
Oh, really?
698
00:38:09.070 --> 00:38:09.289
Yes.
699
00:38:09.909 --> 00:38:12.010
All right. So that's the end. That is the end.
700
00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:15.409
There's no real update in the fact other than it appears.
701
00:38:15.429 --> 00:38:16.659
Because Chucky's good.
702
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.099
That, yeah, he, it seems like he might live in
703
00:38:20.139 --> 00:38:23.809
and around the Cincinnati, Ohio area and It appears he's
704
00:38:23.829 --> 00:38:26.809
gotten a great education and it looks like he might
705
00:38:26.889 --> 00:38:29.980
work at a private school as an English teacher and
706
00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:33.840
as like a college prep counselor helping kids get ready
707
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.119
and attend college. Looks like he's married, has a couple
708
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:40.739
of kids. Seems like from what I can find about him,
709
00:38:40.820 --> 00:38:42.699
he's living a pretty great life.
710
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.090
Good for him. Yeah. So.
711
00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:50.949
I hope that family went to church after that. Yeah.
712
00:38:51.369 --> 00:38:55.190
I'm sure they did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he works,
713
00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:57.190
it looks like at a private school and I think
714
00:38:57.550 --> 00:39:01.289
it is, um, faith-based private school.
715
00:39:01.309 --> 00:39:03.380
I bet. Yeah.
716
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.019
Okay. So there you guys go. That is.
717
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:06.760
Any thoughts?
718
00:39:07.340 --> 00:39:09.800
I mean, I believe in miracles and I believe that
719
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.099
they happen to people, whether they think that they're, I
720
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.760
thought it was very sweet that Nancy's like miracles usually
721
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.550
only happen to chosen people. I don't believe that I
722
00:39:18.590 --> 00:39:20.090
think anyone's entitled to a miracle.
723
00:39:20.110 --> 00:39:22.869
I don't believe it either. Yeah. I like the story.
724
00:39:22.889 --> 00:39:25.250
I'm the same way as I've made it.
725
00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:26.949
I don't think it matters what faith you are. I
726
00:39:26.949 --> 00:39:28.449
don't think it matters the color of your skin. I
727
00:39:28.469 --> 00:39:30.920
don't think it matters what kind of lifestyle. you live
728
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.579
whether it's falls into the category of perfection or not
729
00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:39.820
based on whatever religion is telling you is allowed to
730
00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:44.110
live and not live i think everyone's entitled to miracles
731
00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:47.360
and i think faith is a beautiful thing that, you know,
732
00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:49.500
and it's all right. Cause I think then we can ask,
733
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:51.219
why does it happen to some and not others?
734
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:51.760
I don't know.
735
00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:53.719
I can't, that's the unsolved mystery for me. I can't
736
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:54.519
answer that for you.
737
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.599
No, I, I enjoyed the stories. I made it very clear.
738
00:39:57.619 --> 00:39:59.480
I have a very strong faith in God. And, uh,
739
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.670
I liked the story cause I do. I, I believe
740
00:40:02.969 --> 00:40:07.050
this was a miracle. It was a miracle by God. And, uh,
741
00:40:07.750 --> 00:40:11.949
you know, if Christ can raise people from the dead,
742
00:40:12.510 --> 00:40:17.730
he can sure, uh, Heal kids from a disease. Yeah. So.
743
00:40:18.030 --> 00:40:18.210
Yeah.
744
00:40:18.269 --> 00:40:19.309
And I'll say, you know.
745
00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:20.789
I don't know why.
746
00:40:20.809 --> 00:40:24.010
Some are. That's another. That's podcast for another day. Why
747
00:40:24.090 --> 00:40:25.889
some are and some aren't. I.
748
00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:26.989
Yeah.
749
00:40:27.130 --> 00:40:29.630
We've all struggled with that question, I think, from time
750
00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:32.090
to time. But it shouldn't take away from the people
751
00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:35.599
that have experienced real miracles. And I think his family did.
752
00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:38.800
And I like that the family stands by it. I
753
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.800
like that they say this happened to us and we believe.
754
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.260
It's due to faith in God.
755
00:40:45.420 --> 00:40:45.679
Yeah.
756
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:46.960
Not just.
757
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.519
They helped us uncover the secret dark truth of Philadelphia
758
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:53.420
Cream Cheese Company.
759
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.019
Yeah, absolutely.
760
00:40:55.059 --> 00:40:55.179
Yeah.
761
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.579
All right. Are you ready to.
762
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.719
I'm ready to be sad.
763
00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:02.349
Yeah. We're ready to kind of turn the tables here
764
00:41:02.429 --> 00:41:06.679
and get into some real unsolved mysteries. Yeah. Go for it.
765
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.320
Where it's not always happy endings.
766
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:08.519
Okay.
767
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.360
Because that one was a happy ending.
768
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:11.519
It was a happy ending.
769
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:12.739
Well, yeah.
770
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:15.219
All right. But not all Christmas tales are happy.
771
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.280
This is not a Christmas tale.
772
00:41:17.300 --> 00:41:21.000
That was almost like Ghost 1 of Charles Dickens. And
773
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:24.440
now we've got Ghost 2 and 3 coming.
774
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.420
I like where you're trying to do that.
775
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.039
I'm trying to weave a story there for you.
776
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.500
I do. I like that. All right. Sunday, February 28th, 1988,
777
00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:41.179
in Odessa, Texas. Fire department is called to a fire,
778
00:41:41.500 --> 00:41:44.860
like a trash fire, by an abandoned bar. They put
779
00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:49.039
the fire out, and guess what they find? A body.
780
00:41:50.619 --> 00:41:52.750
Found a body in the fire. It has been beaten
781
00:41:52.889 --> 00:41:57.230
and shot twice in the back, and then obviously set
782
00:41:57.289 --> 00:41:57.670
on fire.
783
00:41:59.170 --> 00:42:03.750
That's an aggressive amount of violence. It's overkill for sure.
784
00:42:04.530 --> 00:42:08.949
Yeah. So the body is identified as 59 year old
785
00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:15.969
Neil Jennings. Neil is an RV dealer from Dallas and
786
00:42:16.150 --> 00:42:22.199
he had a hobby of restoring classic cars. So, okay.
787
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:33.090
Please start investigating it and This story is a wanted story,
788
00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:35.289
so it's not a mystery of kind of, they pretty
789
00:42:35.309 --> 00:42:37.849
much kind of laid out who they think killed them.
790
00:42:38.409 --> 00:42:39.849
We're looking for the murderer.
791
00:42:39.869 --> 00:42:40.869
We're looking for the murderer.
792
00:42:40.909 --> 00:42:41.070
Yeah.
793
00:42:41.530 --> 00:42:43.809
Because all the evidence points to a man by the
794
00:42:43.869 --> 00:42:48.489
name of Bill Roberts, who was a drifter, but Neil
795
00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:53.530
had hired him a couple months prior to do some
796
00:42:53.570 --> 00:42:58.590
work for him. And he was the last person. to
797
00:42:58.670 --> 00:43:01.530
see Neil alive. So now we're going to go into
798
00:43:02.289 --> 00:43:04.550
the way they tell the story is a little confusing,
799
00:43:04.610 --> 00:43:06.909
but I want to try to keep it simple for
800
00:43:07.010 --> 00:43:10.420
us here. So they give us the timeline from here
801
00:43:10.539 --> 00:43:14.639
on out of why they're looking for Bill and why
802
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.719
they think Bill is tied to this and they need
803
00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:21.699
to find him. February 26, so two days prior, that's
804
00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:26.829
a Friday, Neil and Bill stop by Neil's brother's house.
805
00:43:28.170 --> 00:43:31.909
And in the reenactment, he's got a sweet old car
806
00:43:32.750 --> 00:43:35.760
and Neil's brother's like, man, that's, this is great work.
807
00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:39.699
He's like, yeah. He's like, I hired this bill guy
808
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:45.300
to do the finishing touches on a 59 Firebird and
809
00:43:45.500 --> 00:43:47.679
come find out he was paying him 50 bucks a
810
00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:53.039
week plus room and board to help him with these projects.
811
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.650
He was doing okay. This was in 88. So and
812
00:43:58.349 --> 00:44:00.460
like I said, it appeared at the time Bill was
813
00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:03.219
a drifter. So he's homeless. So he's found work and
814
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.059
he's found a place to live. So, OK.
815
00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:09.230
Food, a house, and 50 bucks, you're probably looking at,
816
00:44:09.489 --> 00:44:12.510
that's like 150. So, I mean, that's not a bad gig.
817
00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:16.969
No, so Neil, there was, things were coming out that
818
00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:21.469
Neil was having financial problems. To the point that he
819
00:44:21.610 --> 00:44:24.550
might not have even had the money to pay Bill.
820
00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:27.750
We don't know where those rumors came from, but they
821
00:44:27.769 --> 00:44:32.929
just kind of dropped that nugget in there. So, they
822
00:44:33.030 --> 00:44:38.789
left Neil's brother's house. and they drive 300 miles to Odessa.
823
00:44:40.010 --> 00:44:45.170
It appears they are known in Odessa because people know
824
00:44:45.230 --> 00:44:50.489
who these guys are. 8.30 p.m., they check in at
825
00:44:50.550 --> 00:44:55.610
a motel on the edge of town. And this is
826
00:44:55.690 --> 00:44:59.820
the last time anyone sees Neo Jennings. So at 8.30 p.m.
827
00:44:59.829 --> 00:45:07.820
on Friday, the 26th, February 26th. But over the next
828
00:45:07.889 --> 00:45:10.650
couple of days, we're going to see Bill all over Odessa.
829
00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:14.590
And he's doing weird things, things that don't add up.
830
00:45:15.570 --> 00:45:23.050
So hours later on Friday, Bill shows up at a
831
00:45:23.110 --> 00:45:26.800
house of a man by the name of Jack. Supposedly,
832
00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:30.659
Jack is the one that had introduced him, had introduced
833
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.250
Bill to Neil just a few months prior. So Jack
834
00:45:36.730 --> 00:45:43.650
helped Bill get this job with Neil. Jack says that
835
00:45:43.690 --> 00:45:47.449
Bill was nervous. He was sweating, comes in, like he's
836
00:45:47.510 --> 00:45:50.719
knocks on his door. It's gotta be like nine 30,
837
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.460
10 o'clock at night. They check in at the hotel
838
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.639
at eight 30. So he's nervous. He's like, Hey man,
839
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.539
you got some water? He's like, yeah, yeah, sure. And
840
00:46:02.550 --> 00:46:04.809
It's like, what? Where's Neil? He's like, oh, I dropped
841
00:46:04.849 --> 00:46:08.289
him off at his lady friend's house.
842
00:46:09.309 --> 00:46:09.630
All right.
843
00:46:10.429 --> 00:46:10.969
Go, Neil.
844
00:46:10.989 --> 00:46:14.869
Good job, Neil. Got a lady friend. It's evening time.
845
00:46:14.909 --> 00:46:15.710
Feeling lonely.
846
00:46:15.949 --> 00:46:19.530
So Bill says the truck battery died. Hey, can you
847
00:46:19.550 --> 00:46:21.590
give me a jump? He's like, yeah, sure. No problem.
848
00:46:22.110 --> 00:46:25.519
It appears they go. He gets a jump with the truck.
849
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.500
And then he asks, hey, can I just park the
850
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.260
truck in your backyard? He's like, yeah. And so he does,
851
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.960
and he sleeps in the cab of the truck Friday night.
852
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:41.239
So the next morning, Jack notices the bed of the
853
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.880
truck was covered with a tarp, and Bill is circling
854
00:46:43.900 --> 00:46:48.579
the vehicle, just kind of acting strange. That's Jack's experience
855
00:46:48.739 --> 00:46:54.659
with Bill. But he knows Bill. Okay, whatever. 10.30 a.m.
856
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:01.159
on Saturday, he stops by a rundown motel. It appears
857
00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:03.900
it's kind of one of those motels where people stay
858
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:04.480
for a while.
859
00:47:05.539 --> 00:47:07.840
Stay for a while or by the hour? Either or?
860
00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:13.570
I don't know. And he tries to sell the truck
861
00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:16.230
to people out there for $ 1, 200.
862
00:47:15.469 --> 00:47:17.869
And how many times have we seen that?
863
00:47:18.690 --> 00:47:19.010
Yeah.
864
00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:19.769
Yeah.
865
00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:22.690
But there's a bunch of, like, in the reenactments, like, yeah, man,
866
00:47:22.710 --> 00:47:26.630
it's a nice truck, but $ 1, 200 is too steep for me.
867
00:47:26.650 --> 00:47:30.889
If you live in a hotel, it probably is. Um,
868
00:47:32.289 --> 00:47:34.969
he then asks, Hey, can I just park the truck
869
00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:38.219
in the back of the motel? They're like, yeah, go ahead.
870
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:47.179
So he does that 5. PM Saturday. He comes back
871
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.980
to the hotel. He's talking to some people. It appears
872
00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:54.760
like there's kind of a, like a mutual hangout of the,
873
00:47:54.860 --> 00:47:55.780
in this hotel.
874
00:47:56.429 --> 00:47:59.829
There's a, Like a gathering?
875
00:47:59.849 --> 00:47:59.929
Yeah.
876
00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:02.130
Place? Or like.
877
00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:03.230
I don't know.
878
00:48:03.250 --> 00:48:05.750
What's more like a spot where people kind of mingled
879
00:48:05.809 --> 00:48:06.409
every evening?
880
00:48:06.429 --> 00:48:07.050
Courtyard.
881
00:48:07.269 --> 00:48:07.809
A courtyard?
882
00:48:07.929 --> 00:48:08.989
Okay. Maybe.
883
00:48:09.010 --> 00:48:10.530
Yeah, they're having happy hour.
884
00:48:10.550 --> 00:48:13.730
And he says, hey, does anyone have a pick and
885
00:48:13.750 --> 00:48:15.510
a shovel I can use?
886
00:48:16.429 --> 00:48:17.719
Super quick.
887
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.579
He says, at least in the reenactment, there's a water...
888
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.679
I'm fixing a water line for a lady. And so
889
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:28.579
they say one. And again, in the reenactment, they're like, hey, Bill, like.
890
00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:31.429
They're Bill's kind of that guy that people would hire
891
00:48:31.489 --> 00:48:32.269
for a day later.
892
00:48:32.289 --> 00:48:34.210
It appears this guy, he's kind of a drifter, but
893
00:48:34.250 --> 00:48:36.760
he is trying to find work. He's found some work
894
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.159
with Neil. And he's been around this town for a while.
895
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.320
People are calling him by his first name like they
896
00:48:41.420 --> 00:48:45.599
know him. Again, at least in the reenactment. Okay. So...
897
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.639
Maybe this doesn't seem out of the ordinary. He's trying
898
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:49.699
to do odd jobs for money.
899
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.519
And he obviously doesn't seem a lot of... He doesn't
900
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.900
seem dangerous. A lot of people are okay with him
901
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.300
kind of meandering, hanging out, sleeping in their backyard.
902
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:00.739
In the bed of the truck in the park back there.
903
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:01.280
Yeah.
904
00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:06.969
Texas people are nice there. So they're like, no, we
905
00:49:07.010 --> 00:49:11.570
don't have any things. All right. So he does this.
906
00:49:12.769 --> 00:49:15.880
then drive the truck to a convenience store less than
907
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:21.510
a mile away. He asked the manager. I wrote his
908
00:49:21.590 --> 00:49:26.590
name down, but now I can't find it, but yes, manager, um,
909
00:49:30.329 --> 00:49:32.010
If he could park the truck in the back of
910
00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:34.000
the store because it was overheating.
911
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:37.170
This guy's really worried about where he's parking his truck. Yeah,
912
00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:37.610
he is.
913
00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:41.639
And the manager's like, yeah, go ahead. Sure, dude. 15
914
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:47.019
minutes later, the manager says he hears gunshots, two gunshots
915
00:49:47.420 --> 00:49:49.500
in the distance. It's not like he hears it in
916
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.340
the back of his store at the truck.
917
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:53.079
Okay.
918
00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:59.000
He just says, I'm going to guess he's recollecting this
919
00:49:59.019 --> 00:50:01.039
stuff later on as the police are going around.
920
00:50:01.059 --> 00:50:02.820
Oh, yeah. Actually, I think I did hear something.
921
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.739
He's like, yeah, I did hear something like that. It's
922
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.159
also Texas, so, you know, maybe hearing gunshots way off
923
00:50:09.219 --> 00:50:09.840
in the distance.
924
00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:12.559
People in Texas do love their guns.
925
00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:17.610
So, 45 minutes later, Bill comes back, and he's flashing
926
00:50:17.670 --> 00:50:20.190
a large wad of cash. It looks like he just
927
00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:22.889
buys some stuff from the convenience store, and he pulls
928
00:50:22.949 --> 00:50:25.130
out a wad of cash from his pocket, pays cash
929
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:29.030
for it, and the convenience store manager notices. Like, oh,
930
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.019
he's got some money, mate. And he fixed that broken
931
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.780
water line for that lady with the Shovel in the pickaxe.
932
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:41.260
He didn't. Later, he's back at the motel.
933
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:42.539
Did this guy have a body in the back of
934
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.619
the truck the whole time? Because there's gunshots going off.
935
00:50:44.659 --> 00:50:46.780
Was he holding this man hostage?
936
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.159
I'm going to get into it. Okay.
937
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.909
I am so confused. This guy is wandering around town,
938
00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:56.630
confused about where he's going to park the car, confirming
939
00:50:56.690 --> 00:50:57.250
it's okay.
940
00:50:57.730 --> 00:51:01.579
The police literally acknowledged this at the end. They're confused
941
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:02.679
by this. All of this.
942
00:51:02.739 --> 00:51:06.699
And then the gunshots are like later in this story.
943
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.340
So was. Yes, I know.
944
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.550
I know. This is Saturday night when this is happening.
945
00:51:12.389 --> 00:51:13.030
Okay.
946
00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:17.210
After 5 p.m. So later he's back at the motel
947
00:51:17.590 --> 00:51:19.309
where he spends the night in the truck.
948
00:51:20.389 --> 00:51:23.590
But they had rented a motel room, hadn't they? But
949
00:51:23.610 --> 00:51:24.929
he sleeps in the truck every time.
950
00:51:25.219 --> 00:51:27.780
At least for Friday night. But he stays in his
951
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:29.159
truck at this friend's house.
952
00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:30.119
On Friday night.
953
00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.500
Friday night. So, and they don't say it's the same motel.
954
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:40.539
That's true. Okay. So, the next morning.
955
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:48.440
So, we're Sunday morning now? Or Monday morning?
956
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:57.840
It's now Sunday morning. Okay. Residents say. He comes back. No, sorry.
957
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.519
We're back Saturday night. He comes back to the hotel,
958
00:52:02.019 --> 00:52:05.179
and there's a resident. She blurs her face. We don't
959
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:09.090
know her name. She says that he had said to
960
00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:14.349
her he had done done the job.
961
00:52:16.190 --> 00:52:17.489
He had done done it?
962
00:52:17.630 --> 00:52:20.570
And he was acting real nervous, and he was especially
963
00:52:20.650 --> 00:52:23.440
nervous when he went over to the truck that had
964
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:23.820
a tarp.
965
00:52:24.179 --> 00:52:26.099
Yeah, he's very concerned about this truck.
966
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.840
And the truck's on his, it's Neil's.
967
00:52:29.179 --> 00:52:31.840
I understand that, but no one has had eyes on Neil.
968
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.679
So the next morning, now we're at Sunday morning.
969
00:52:34.699 --> 00:52:35.010
Okay.
970
00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:38.070
He asked that same resident who said that he'd said
971
00:52:38.110 --> 00:52:41.230
he'd done done the job. We don't know what done
972
00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:44.510
done the job is. She doesn't know. He asked, hey,
973
00:52:44.570 --> 00:52:48.570
can I do some laundry? I'm just like, yeah, sure.
974
00:52:48.909 --> 00:52:51.550
She notices that he had a little bit of blood
975
00:52:51.590 --> 00:52:55.860
on his shirt. She, but she even says, Wasn't anything crazy.
976
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.420
It literally looked like he'd cut his hand and maybe
977
00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:00.019
just wiped his hand.
978
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.789
And fair, if he's been digging or working on a
979
00:53:03.849 --> 00:53:06.250
truck or things like that, like you've come in from
980
00:53:06.710 --> 00:53:09.969
working on one of the cars and have cut your
981
00:53:09.989 --> 00:53:12.090
hand open or different things like that.
982
00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:16.699
Cutting the twine off of Bella Hay a little while
983
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:18.440
ago and cut my finger. And you know what? I just,
984
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:19.260
I wiped it.
985
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:20.400
Right on your shirt.
986
00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:23.139
On my shirt and my pants. So that's what she's
987
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.059
saying is, And I'm going to guess again, it's Texas.
988
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:27.159
Do you want to know a secret?
989
00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:27.880
Yep.
990
00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:30.280
I think it's kind of hot when a man that
991
00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:32.260
works with his hands has little scars on it and
992
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:33.989
you ask him what they're from. And he's like, oh,
993
00:53:34.050 --> 00:53:34.989
from cutting a bill.
994
00:53:35.070 --> 00:53:38.070
Hey, dirt, dirt, dirt. Working on the truck.
995
00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:39.309
Dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt.
996
00:53:40.989 --> 00:53:41.449
That's good.
997
00:53:41.469 --> 00:53:42.550
That's me flirting with you.
998
00:53:42.909 --> 00:53:44.739
Good. Flirt, flirt away.
999
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:45.639
Flirt away.
1000
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:50.119
Flirt away. So that I think it's important. She's like,
1001
00:53:50.300 --> 00:53:52.440
it's not like it was a massive amount of blood.
1002
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.739
She literally says it was it was enough blood that
1003
00:53:56.030 --> 00:53:56.989
it could have just come from.
1004
00:53:57.030 --> 00:54:00.150
Wasn't enough for her to be like, I'm uncomfortable with
1005
00:54:00.210 --> 00:54:01.230
this situation.
1006
00:54:01.889 --> 00:54:03.969
Literally, she's saying it could have been from a cut
1007
00:54:04.010 --> 00:54:07.070
on the hand. So she says, yeah, sure. Go ahead.
1008
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:12.130
Another resident does say they noticed a small amount of
1009
00:54:12.190 --> 00:54:14.670
blood on the bumper of his truck when they walked by.
1010
00:54:14.949 --> 00:54:19.469
But again, not like pooling blood. It just looked like
1011
00:54:19.510 --> 00:54:21.230
a little bit of blood on the bumper.
1012
00:54:22.610 --> 00:54:22.860
Okay.
1013
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.119
So around noon, he left the motel and never returned.
1014
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:31.099
Eight hours later, the fire started and the body is discovered.
1015
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.369
So around noon Sunday, he gone. No one sees him.
1016
00:54:36.889 --> 00:54:38.769
And no one this entire time has been like, hey,
1017
00:54:38.849 --> 00:54:43.019
Neil's truck is here, but no one's had eyes on him. Yeah.
1018
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.000
Okay. So.
1019
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:47.289
Was it common for this guy to use Neil's truck?
1020
00:54:48.349 --> 00:54:50.329
Truck? Well, he was working for him. And they showed
1021
00:54:50.449 --> 00:54:53.670
up at the motel in this truck together. Okay.
1022
00:54:53.909 --> 00:54:55.610
Yeah, I mean, I know that, but no one has
1023
00:54:55.659 --> 00:54:57.360
had eyes on him since Friday night.
1024
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.599
Yeah, I don't know if anyone's looking for Neil, though.
1025
00:54:59.960 --> 00:55:02.599
They check in at a motel. The motel person is
1026
00:55:02.619 --> 00:55:04.980
the only person that saw him Friday night. Yeah, and
1027
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:06.179
I worked front.
1028
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:08.360
Desk at a hotel. I would have not known left, right,
1029
00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:08.820
or center.
1030
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.130
It's possible no one else knew that Neil was in Odessa.
1031
00:55:13.429 --> 00:55:13.590
Yeah.
1032
00:55:13.610 --> 00:55:13.690
Okay.
1033
00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:19.469
Okay. So the investigation shows there's two large pools of
1034
00:55:19.550 --> 00:55:23.519
blood at the scene in this abandoned bar where the
1035
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:28.280
parking lot is. Shotgun shells and drag marks from the
1036
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:33.360
parking lot to the fire. They do believe he was
1037
00:55:33.460 --> 00:55:38.199
shot in the parking lot. And that police speculate he
1038
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:42.710
shot Neal Saturday night, hit his body in the trash heap,
1039
00:55:43.130 --> 00:55:46.590
but didn't know what. But they, this is where they
1040
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:49.929
literally say, the police officer says like, this is one
1041
00:55:49.949 --> 00:55:51.769
of the weirdest investigations.
1042
00:55:51.989 --> 00:55:54.389
So he shot him when he heard those two gunshots.
1043
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:55.380
Saturday night.
1044
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.739
Saturday night. He thinks that's when he shot Neil.
1045
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.400
That's the.
1046
00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:03.699
Where was Neil between Friday night and Saturday night?
1047
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:09.070
The police literally acknowledged that. They go, what the heck
1048
00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:11.510
happened from Friday till Saturday night?
1049
00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:13.250
Because no one saw him after they checked in the hotel.
1050
00:56:13.269 --> 00:56:13.809
And then why did he wait?
1051
00:56:13.849 --> 00:56:16.050
And he didn't stay the night at the hotel Friday night.
1052
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:18.739
And then why did he wait 24 hours to set
1053
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:19.380
him on fire?
1054
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.699
And so he had him in the back of the truck.
1055
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:26.159
The police acknowledge all of this. Because Friday night, the
1056
00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:27.760
tarp was on the back of the truck too.
1057
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:28.559
Yes.
1058
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:29.039
Was he?
1059
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:31.940
We don't know. Walked up in the back of the truck?
1060
00:56:31.980 --> 00:56:32.480
We don't know.
1061
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:33.320
Hogtied?
1062
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.199
No one knows. No one knows.
1063
00:56:36.219 --> 00:56:36.300
Whoa.
1064
00:56:37.460 --> 00:56:40.300
And the police literally acknowledge all of this. They're like,
1065
00:56:40.869 --> 00:56:46.309
this is weird. They've clearly retraced his steps from Friday
1066
00:56:46.389 --> 00:56:48.210
till at least Sunday morning.
1067
00:56:48.230 --> 00:56:48.909
Poor Neil.
1068
00:56:49.650 --> 00:56:54.849
Yeah. So that's the police.
1069
00:56:54.869 --> 00:56:57.389
Maybe that's why he kept getting permission from everyone. Like, hey,
1070
00:56:57.469 --> 00:56:59.969
I'm going to park this truck here. Is that okay?
1071
00:57:00.010 --> 00:57:02.260
Because if so, then you have no reason to go
1072
00:57:02.510 --> 00:57:04.940
over and like, hey, whose truck is this?
1073
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.820
Yeah. It's kind of scary to think about. They do
1074
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:14.489
find out that Bill Roberts, real name is actually Bill Blackwell,
1075
00:57:14.630 --> 00:57:18.309
who served time for theft and larceny and was wanted
1076
00:57:18.429 --> 00:57:22.739
technically by the Texas Department of Corrections for a parole violation.
1077
00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:28.260
They know he left Odessa and that he traveled to Albuquerque,
1078
00:57:28.300 --> 00:57:33.130
New Mexico because he sold his truck at a flea market.
1079
00:57:33.739 --> 00:57:36.610
And he's never been seen since. So clearly they tracked
1080
00:57:36.670 --> 00:57:39.630
the truck down to Albuquerque, New Mexico.
1081
00:57:39.650 --> 00:57:41.070
Yeah, the guys were like, I bought it from some
1082
00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:42.170
guy at a flea market.
1083
00:57:42.190 --> 00:57:47.179
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's where Unsolved Mysteries leaves us.
1084
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.760
They are looking for Bill, technically Bill Blackwell. Okay.
1085
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:53.219
What are the updates?
1086
00:57:53.980 --> 00:57:59.699
Captured. Okay. He eventually is found. He was living in
1087
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:05.090
North Carolina. Yeah. I found out he'd gotten arrested for
1088
00:58:05.190 --> 00:58:10.389
firearms possession. He was using a fake identity. Well, guess what?
1089
00:58:10.449 --> 00:58:13.510
That fake identity was a convicted felon, too, who was
1090
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.820
not allowed to have a firearm.
1091
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.739
Poor choice of your fake identity.
1092
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:25.219
Yeah. But before his prints hit, he got released. He
1093
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:29.050
got released. Yep. Made his way back to Texas. The
1094
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:35.039
marshals eventually tracked him down. And they captured him, but
1095
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:42.119
not until 2007. Whoa. So he was on the run
1096
00:58:42.139 --> 00:58:44.800
for 21 years. Yeah, 2007 was a good year. Not 21,
1097
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:45.400
19 years. Yeah. 96?
1098
00:58:45.369 --> 00:58:45.420
96?
1099
00:58:45.389 --> 00:58:45.659
1988. Oh, 1988. Yeah.
1100
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:45.980
Yeah.
1101
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:46.440
Okay. So... To 2007.
1102
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:46.940
Yeah. So 19 years.
1103
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:47.159
Yes.
1104
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.179
What happened in 2007 other than this?
1105
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.989
Best year of my life, I married you. That's right.
1106
00:59:11.500 --> 00:59:16.610
He pleaded guilty to murder, first degree murder, and was
1107
00:59:16.630 --> 00:59:19.690
sentenced to 30 years in prison. He is still in
1108
00:59:19.730 --> 00:59:21.369
prison to this day. I found his.
1109
00:59:21.489 --> 00:59:24.090
Did he ever say why? Why?
1110
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.159
Maybe he did, but there's not a lot of articles
1111
00:59:27.179 --> 00:59:28.630
about it. But no. Yeah.
1112
00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:30.269
I mean, if you play guilty, then there's not really
1113
00:59:30.510 --> 00:59:32.230
a trial. So there's not a big case on it.
1114
00:59:32.230 --> 00:59:34.769
He believes he disappeared. He killed him for money and
1115
00:59:34.789 --> 00:59:37.469
to sell his truck. But why?
1116
00:59:37.489 --> 00:59:39.989
But that wasn't his. And he didn't do that before.
1117
00:59:40.070 --> 00:59:41.199
And he hasn't done that since.
1118
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:41.579
I don't know.
1119
00:59:41.619 --> 00:59:44.000
It's so weird. And this guy was giving him like
1120
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:45.659
helping him out in other ways.
1121
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:47.739
I don't know.
1122
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:48.219
Hmm.
1123
00:59:49.269 --> 00:59:53.269
So I found him. I found him in the Texas
1124
00:59:53.289 --> 00:59:56.050
Department of Corrections. He's still serving time. He is not
1125
00:59:56.269 --> 01:00:00.869
eligible for release until 2037, but he's 72 years old
1126
01:00:00.909 --> 01:00:05.590
right now. So he's still got 11 more years. So,
1127
01:00:05.630 --> 01:00:07.469
I mean, he technically could get out and be 83
1128
01:00:07.469 --> 01:00:07.780
years old.
1129
01:00:07.809 --> 01:00:10.030
Can you imagine getting released from prison at 83?
1130
01:00:10.030 --> 01:00:10.179
No.
1131
01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:13.070
What do you do with your life at that point?
1132
01:00:13.449 --> 01:00:19.190
There's nothing. There's no life left. Yeah. So, yeah. Interesting. Okay.
1133
01:00:20.309 --> 01:00:25.650
Well, very interesting story, my love. And I'm glad he's
1134
01:00:25.670 --> 01:00:29.789
been caught. Okay. I am going to tell you about
1135
01:00:31.010 --> 01:00:34.550
one of the more famous unsolved mystery cases featured on
1136
01:00:34.610 --> 01:00:35.489
Unsolved Mysteries.
1137
01:00:35.510 --> 01:00:36.090
It's famous.
1138
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.690
It is the disappearance of a young girl named Anthonette Cayenito. Now,
1139
01:00:44.619 --> 01:00:46.880
Full disclosure, I'm terrible with names. I may get that
1140
01:00:46.940 --> 01:00:51.420
wrong in the future, but this has become pretty infamous.
1141
01:00:51.579 --> 01:00:54.579
And I'm going to tell it to you like they
1142
01:00:54.619 --> 01:00:58.039
do on Unsolved Mysteries. I'm not going to get lost
1143
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:02.739
in the weeds. There is tons of theories, all kinds
1144
01:01:02.780 --> 01:01:05.920
of speculation around this case. Lots of stories out there now.
1145
01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:09.679
So I'll tell you this. There are two podcasts that
1146
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.489
I can recommend. If you find this story intriguing and
1147
01:01:12.530 --> 01:01:18.880
you want to know more In-depth updates. My friend Kylie
1148
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:22.440
from Primetime Crime covered this not very long ago, maybe
1149
01:01:22.460 --> 01:01:24.760
about a year ago. So she's got a ton of
1150
01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:28.929
the most recent things, does a very good episode on it.
1151
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:31.460
And then a little bit of an older one, one
1152
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.360
of the ones that we love to refer people back
1153
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:39.500
to for deeper dives. The Trail Went Cold did an
1154
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.900
episode on this going more into depth and kind of
1155
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.900
some of the speculation and even some of the fringe speculation.
1156
01:01:48.139 --> 01:01:52.949
So I would refer you to those if you are
1157
01:01:53.289 --> 01:02:01.130
interested in learning more about this case. Okay, so nine-year-old
1158
01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:08.909
Antnett disappeared April 6th, 1986. When her mother, Penny, and
1159
01:02:08.949 --> 01:02:12.679
two sisters awoke that morning, they were surprised to discover
1160
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.639
that she was not in the house. The only thing
1161
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:16.300
I will say, maybe not the only thing, but the
1162
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.699
first thing I want to say is we are told
1163
01:02:18.739 --> 01:02:22.900
the story from the mother. Just keep that in your mind.
1164
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.800
It's going to come in later.
1165
01:02:27.030 --> 01:02:31.289
I just think that maybe she's not the most reliable narrator.
1166
01:02:31.309 --> 01:02:31.369
So.
1167
01:02:35.409 --> 01:02:38.309
They went looking for her all around the house. Can't
1168
01:02:38.349 --> 01:02:41.710
find her. So Penny tells us, because she's the main
1169
01:02:41.730 --> 01:02:45.230
talking head in Unsolved Mysteries, that she starts to panic
1170
01:02:45.369 --> 01:02:49.610
after checking with every single person in the neighborhood. No
1171
01:02:49.690 --> 01:02:52.949
one has seen this little girl. So the police and
1172
01:02:53.010 --> 01:02:56.150
her neighbors search the surrounding foothills and find no trace
1173
01:02:56.190 --> 01:02:59.130
of her. Authorities are almost certain that she was kidnapped
1174
01:02:59.380 --> 01:03:03.099
in the middle of the night. And police were.
1175
01:03:04.659 --> 01:03:09.420
Capable of offering little to boaster her parents' hope of
1176
01:03:09.460 --> 01:03:13.800
her being found alive. Second thing I'll say, not everything
1177
01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:18.230
in Unsolved Mysteries, like Unsolved Mysteries traditionally, they do leave
1178
01:03:18.530 --> 01:03:23.250
quite a bit of stuff out. There is some questioning
1179
01:03:23.510 --> 01:03:29.269
about Certain men that were father, stepfather that were involved
1180
01:03:29.309 --> 01:03:31.469
in her life. Again, I'm going to keep to this.
1181
01:03:31.829 --> 01:03:33.909
Please refer to the other two podcasts because they kind
1182
01:03:33.949 --> 01:03:35.250
of go into more of the.
1183
01:03:35.570 --> 01:03:37.230
Unsolved Mysteries is just trying to tell you like this
1184
01:03:37.289 --> 01:03:38.449
girl's disappeared.
1185
01:03:38.510 --> 01:03:40.230
We're looking for. Exactly.
1186
01:03:40.250 --> 01:03:43.369
Here's what we know about the night she disappeared.
1187
01:03:44.010 --> 01:03:44.190
Yes.
1188
01:03:44.210 --> 01:03:47.730
They're not getting into who, because technically no one knows.
1189
01:03:48.130 --> 01:03:48.389
Yes.
1190
01:03:48.670 --> 01:03:52.489
There's no concrete. So that's what Unsolved Mysteries job is
1191
01:03:52.530 --> 01:03:54.150
to get the story out there. Have you seen her?
1192
01:03:54.170 --> 01:03:57.760
And because Penny is our main narrator. And her story
1193
01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:00.639
from time to time changed. And there was different men
1194
01:04:00.699 --> 01:04:04.920
involved in her life at different times. And even when
1195
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:06.659
I started trying to go down the rabbit hole and
1196
01:04:06.739 --> 01:04:10.440
reading newspaper articles, sometimes they had different things printed. So
1197
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:15.980
there's not a ton of reliable, exact source information. Because,
1198
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.219
spoiler alert, this is still unsolved today. I'm going to
1199
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.739
guess that obviously, like, Most of the time, the police
1200
01:04:23.780 --> 01:04:27.070
know more than we do. So there's a lot of
1201
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.349
speculation out there. So if there is something I say
1202
01:04:30.510 --> 01:04:35.710
when I'm reading my notes of the recap is incorrect.
1203
01:04:36.110 --> 01:04:39.429
We're here to recap Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah.
1204
01:04:40.070 --> 01:04:44.280
And I know that Unsolved Mysteries doesn't always get it right.
1205
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.579
But I'm aware of that in this story. But to
1206
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.039
keep things simple and in line with our podcast, that's
1207
01:04:51.059 --> 01:04:54.480
what we're here to do. So in 1987, a year
1208
01:04:54.699 --> 01:04:59.699
after her disappearance, a dramatic call for help comes into
1209
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.619
the Gallup police station. A young girl's voice is heard
1210
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:05.900
on the phone and they play this on Unsolved Mysteries
1211
01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:10.070
for us. Claimed to be the girl that was missing,
1212
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:12.710
stating that she was in Albuquerque and before she could
1213
01:05:12.730 --> 01:05:17.309
tell the dispatcher exactly where her location was, an unidentified
1214
01:05:17.409 --> 01:05:20.349
male told her, who said you could use the phone?
1215
01:05:20.570 --> 01:05:23.710
She screams and the call ends. When the police played
1216
01:05:23.730 --> 01:05:26.289
the recording to Penny, she is certain that that is
1217
01:05:26.329 --> 01:05:29.820
the voice of her daughter. And she was especially certain
1218
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:34.360
based on the way the girl said her last name. However,
1219
01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:37.320
she did not recognize the man voice and some have
1220
01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:39.860
speculated the call to be a hoax as the girl
1221
01:05:39.940 --> 01:05:43.360
claimed that she was in Albuquerque. Yet the phone call
1222
01:05:43.380 --> 01:05:46.449
went to Gallup Police Department. The police did try to
1223
01:05:46.510 --> 01:05:51.730
trace the call, but were unsuccessful. However, this does give
1224
01:05:51.750 --> 01:05:56.429
evidence The authorities and the family hope that she is
1225
01:05:56.469 --> 01:06:03.300
still alive. Fast forward, 1991, five years after her disappearance,
1226
01:06:03.739 --> 01:06:07.019
after age progressed photographs of her are released, a witness
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01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:11.860
came forward and she was a waitress and she believed
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01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.900
that she'd saw this young woman at her restaurant. She
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01:06:15.980 --> 01:06:19.219
recalled serving a table with a man and a woman
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01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:29.449
and they 15 years old. And she noticed that the
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01:06:29.650 --> 01:06:35.190
girl specifically had a very unkept appearance and seemed to
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01:06:35.230 --> 01:06:40.170
be struggling and had this weird thing that whenever the
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01:06:40.230 --> 01:06:42.349
waitress would go over and check on them, she'd drop
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01:06:42.389 --> 01:06:45.110
her utensil on the ground. So the waitress would bend
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01:06:45.150 --> 01:06:46.989
down and pick it up and put it back on
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01:06:47.030 --> 01:06:50.070
the table, which you shouldn't do if you're a waitress.
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01:06:50.110 --> 01:06:52.329
If someone drops their fork, you just offer to get
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01:06:52.349 --> 01:06:55.969
them a clean one. But Whenever she would like put
1239
01:06:55.989 --> 01:06:58.570
her hand near the table, the girl would like squeeze
1240
01:06:58.869 --> 01:06:59.510
her hand.
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01:07:01.550 --> 01:07:03.059
That story breaks my heart.
1242
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:03.969
It breaks my heart too.
1243
01:07:03.980 --> 01:07:07.639
Even if it's not her, this Antoinette girl.
1244
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:09.000
Yeah, this girl.
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01:07:09.139 --> 01:07:14.119
This girl is in danger. And she is doing anything
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01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.610
and everything desperately to send us home.
1247
01:07:16.630 --> 01:07:19.489
As someone who's worked as a waitress, that is definitely
1248
01:07:19.550 --> 01:07:21.110
something that would have stuck with me.
1249
01:07:22.090 --> 01:07:25.949
Yeah. And now I, again, like I'm not, we know
1250
01:07:25.969 --> 01:07:29.099
more about this because this, these are things we talk,
1251
01:07:29.139 --> 01:07:32.900
we've now talked about in society more, but this is 91. Yeah.
1252
01:07:33.739 --> 01:07:36.329
Human trafficking wasn't talked about in 91.
1253
01:07:36.329 --> 01:07:39.190
There's a lot of things we didn't understand or know
1254
01:07:39.269 --> 01:07:42.679
what was going on at that time. Yeah. So, but
1255
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.480
it breaks my heart to think, even if it's not
1256
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:45.860
this girl.
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01:07:46.019 --> 01:07:49.070
And this little girl, this teenage girl doubles down because
1258
01:07:49.110 --> 01:07:52.349
the waitress goes to then like bust the table after
1259
01:07:52.429 --> 01:07:56.480
they left. And from the Unsolved Mysteries episode, it appears
1260
01:07:56.500 --> 01:08:01.360
that this is like a, transient sort of through travel
1261
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.880
like gas station restaurant like a truck stop restaurant like
1262
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:09.599
she probably doesn't have quote-unquote regulars or anything so she's
1263
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:13.519
not probably paying super attention but she goes to bust
1264
01:08:13.539 --> 01:08:16.619
the table and she lifts up the girl's plate and
1265
01:08:16.810 --> 01:08:20.149
underneath it on the napkin it's written help me call
1266
01:08:20.189 --> 01:08:21.050
the police.
1267
01:08:22.220 --> 01:08:24.079
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get much more clear than that.
1268
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:28.229
Yeah. Whoever that girl was, whether it's this girl or not,
1269
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.170
I don't know. I can't tell you. I hope she
1270
01:08:31.210 --> 01:08:33.989
found the help she needed because, my gosh, that breaks
1271
01:08:34.029 --> 01:08:34.409
my heart.
1272
01:08:34.489 --> 01:08:35.210
You can only hope.
1273
01:08:35.689 --> 01:08:41.340
Yeah. So once again, this sighting brings hope to the
1274
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:46.359
investigators and the family. So one month later, the investigators
1275
01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:51.460
decide to re-interview witnesses involved in the case. And this
1276
01:08:51.539 --> 01:08:55.250
is when things kind of start to get a little rocky.
1277
01:08:56.310 --> 01:08:59.289
So from my understanding, the first several years, the first
1278
01:08:59.329 --> 01:09:03.739
five years are so, the police were investigating this like
1279
01:09:03.779 --> 01:09:09.369
a very JonBenet Ramsey sort of Elizabeth Smart. An abductor
1280
01:09:09.449 --> 01:09:11.329
came in in the middle of the night and took
1281
01:09:11.369 --> 01:09:17.569
a girl from her house. However, the They sit down
1282
01:09:17.609 --> 01:09:20.560
and talk to Wendy, who is the younger sister and
1283
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:24.979
was age five at the time. She's now 10. And
1284
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.039
she tells the investigators a different story than she had
1285
01:09:30.100 --> 01:09:34.170
told them in the past. She says that around three
1286
01:09:34.210 --> 01:09:36.789
in the morning, her and her sister hear a knock
1287
01:09:37.029 --> 01:09:50.220
on the door. And her older sister, Ann Tenetti, Antinette. Antinette.
1288
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:54.520
Antinette goes to answer the door.
1289
01:09:54.539 --> 01:09:58.020
And how old is Antinette at the time she's captured?
1290
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:00.800
She's kidnapped?
1291
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:04.079
She's kidnapped. I don't have it written.
1292
01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:04.699
She's eight?
1293
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.300
Eight. I think eight or nine.
1294
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:08.359
Yeah, I think you said eight or nine.
1295
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:09.000
Yeah.
1296
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:14.590
So let's just put this out there. It's three in
1297
01:10:14.630 --> 01:10:15.130
the morning.
1298
01:10:15.510 --> 01:10:15.729
Yep.
1299
01:10:15.850 --> 01:10:18.890
Someone's knocking on the door and a nine and a
1300
01:10:19.010 --> 01:10:22.189
five-year-old have to go answer the door.
1301
01:10:22.210 --> 01:10:26.140
They have to be the responsible ones. Trust me. There's
1302
01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:28.600
a quote somewhere from the mom. I don't remember if
1303
01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:30.000
it's on this or another thing I watched.
1304
01:10:30.020 --> 01:10:30.560
Oh, it's at the end.
1305
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:35.060
That her daughter was like grown up for her age
1306
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:36.380
or something. Like she kind of like.
1307
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:37.199
Oh no, that's not what I meant.
1308
01:10:37.220 --> 01:10:39.859
So the mom makes a comment that like, even though
1309
01:10:39.979 --> 01:10:43.619
she left her daughter's home alone frequently so that she
1310
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:48.670
could go out and party. At the bars. That her
1311
01:10:48.710 --> 01:10:51.869
daughter was like mature for her age. And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
1312
01:10:52.170 --> 01:10:56.409
She wasn't mature for her age. You were out drinking
1313
01:10:56.449 --> 01:10:59.789
and partying and doing drugs and bringing men around. And
1314
01:10:59.850 --> 01:11:02.520
she had didn't have a choice. She had to raise
1315
01:11:02.529 --> 01:11:03.140
her siblings.
1316
01:11:03.149 --> 01:11:09.119
I just want to make that point. And a five
1317
01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:11.619
and a nine-year-old have to be the ones to go
1318
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.920
find out who's pounding on the door.
1319
01:11:14.939 --> 01:11:17.539
I'm 41 years old. And if someone was pounding on
1320
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.520
my door at three in the morning, I'd be terrified.
1321
01:11:22.229 --> 01:11:23.590
I don't even know if I would answer the door.
1322
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:28.430
My kids are 14 and 12. Yeah. They ain't answering
1323
01:11:28.470 --> 01:11:29.810
the door at three in the morning.
1324
01:11:29.829 --> 01:11:30.909
I don't even let them answer the door in the
1325
01:11:30.930 --> 01:11:31.930
middle of the afternoon.
1326
01:11:31.949 --> 01:11:34.930
I am the one answering the door at three in
1327
01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:35.489
the morning.
1328
01:11:35.510 --> 01:11:35.630
Mm-hmm.
1329
01:11:36.369 --> 01:11:38.289
And I have something in my hand.
1330
01:11:38.869 --> 01:11:45.770
Yep. So these sweet baby girls, they tell us, have
1331
01:11:45.810 --> 01:11:48.989
to go answer the door. And she follows her sister
1332
01:11:49.050 --> 01:11:53.369
down the hallway as someone's pounding on the door at
1333
01:11:53.409 --> 01:11:56.729
three in the morning. So I just went back and checked.
1334
01:11:57.029 --> 01:12:01.350
Antoinette was nine years old at the time. So she's
1335
01:12:01.390 --> 01:12:04.810
got a nine-year-old and a five-year-old walking down the hallway.
1336
01:12:04.829 --> 01:12:04.909
Okay.
1337
01:12:06.270 --> 01:12:09.729
With someone banging on the door at three.
1338
01:12:08.909 --> 01:12:11.159
In the morning. And they're home alone at three in
1339
01:12:11.180 --> 01:12:16.810
the morning. Exactly. I mean, these are just the facts.
1340
01:12:17.109 --> 01:12:21.810
That's the fact of the matter. So it's not undisputed. Yeah.
1341
01:12:21.850 --> 01:12:25.489
So she tells the investigators that someone's knocking on the door.
1342
01:12:25.970 --> 01:12:29.180
Anthony refuses to answer it at first, but says, who's there?
1343
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:33.800
And some man responds, uncle Joe. And we do find
1344
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.340
out they did know an uncle Joe, but I was
1345
01:12:36.380 --> 01:12:38.279
watching this with my daughter and she's like, okay, but
1346
01:12:38.340 --> 01:12:40.840
Joe's also the most generic name on the face of
1347
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:45.520
the earth. Like, cause they, they do actually interview uncle
1348
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.710
Joe and, It turns out he had an alibi and
1349
01:12:48.729 --> 01:12:51.170
multiple witnesses that he was nowhere near this.
1350
01:12:51.350 --> 01:12:53.170
Uncle Joe was not the one at the door.
1351
01:12:53.329 --> 01:12:53.930
Exactly.
1352
01:12:54.329 --> 01:12:56.109
But someone knew about Uncle Joe.
1353
01:12:56.770 --> 01:13:01.699
Yeah, but like our daughter said, Uncle Joe could have
1354
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.319
also been a shot in the dark. To me, it
1355
01:13:03.340 --> 01:13:05.800
doesn't actually mean anything because it's such a generic thing
1356
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:06.260
to say.
1357
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.020
But it also, it does raise a question.
1358
01:13:09.850 --> 01:13:14.409
Did someone know the family? Yeah, exactly. So she tells
1359
01:13:14.470 --> 01:13:17.779
us that she opens the door thinking that Uncle Joe's
1360
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:21.779
going to be there and that two men grab her
1361
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:26.819
sister and shove her into the back of a brown van.
1362
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.760
And the police said, why didn't you come forward sooner?
1363
01:13:31.300 --> 01:13:33.739
And Wendy says that she was scared and afraid that
1364
01:13:33.779 --> 01:13:37.220
she would get in trouble. Investigators, like I said, cleared
1365
01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:40.180
Uncle Joe. He had nothing to do with it. So
1366
01:13:40.260 --> 01:13:45.439
on and so forth. So in 1992, Penny goes to
1367
01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:47.199
a Navajo medicine woman.
1368
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:49.119
Penny's the mom?
1369
01:13:49.659 --> 01:13:55.329
Penny's the mom. I... In the reenactment, the medicine woman,
1370
01:13:55.510 --> 01:13:58.149
it just says that she's speaking in Navajo. So she's
1371
01:13:58.189 --> 01:14:01.310
not speaking English during this ritual that she does, this
1372
01:14:01.350 --> 01:14:04.649
sort of prayer seance thing, because Unsolved Mysteries is allowed
1373
01:14:04.670 --> 01:14:13.300
to record it. However, according to Reddit, Unsolved.com, and a
1374
01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:17.489
couple of other threads, There are people claiming that they
1375
01:14:17.630 --> 01:14:21.930
can speak Navajo or know Navajo and that it has
1376
01:14:22.170 --> 01:14:26.930
been well known that the medicine woman says in the reenactment,
1377
01:14:27.510 --> 01:14:29.430
you like know where your daughter is.
1378
01:14:33.189 --> 01:14:34.189
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
1379
01:14:34.729 --> 01:14:36.340
I just thought I'd throw that out there because I
1380
01:14:36.380 --> 01:14:40.020
was actually kind of surprised that it just said like
1381
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:48.210
Navajo speaking and didn't translate it. But that's what I
1382
01:14:48.250 --> 01:14:51.069
found out later. So if anyone is out there who
1383
01:14:51.109 --> 01:14:54.109
speaks Navajo, I don't, so I can't verify this. It
1384
01:14:54.180 --> 01:15:00.039
comes from internet sources that are not like the most credible.
1385
01:15:00.060 --> 01:15:01.819
There's no way to verify anything.
1386
01:15:01.859 --> 01:15:04.920
Yeah. I mean, I can plug it into chat GPT,
1387
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.619
I guess. But again, I don't have like, I don't
1388
01:15:07.659 --> 01:15:11.199
have someone who speaks Navajo sitting here watching with me
1389
01:15:11.220 --> 01:15:14.149
and says, yes, that's what that translates to. But that's
1390
01:15:14.189 --> 01:15:15.949
what I found. I did think that was an interesting
1391
01:15:16.029 --> 01:15:19.949
fact that I wanted to share with you. So she
1392
01:15:20.130 --> 01:15:23.529
hopes that by going to this Navajo medicine woman, that
1393
01:15:23.590 --> 01:15:26.180
she will learn about where her daughter is. And, um,
1394
01:15:28.130 --> 01:15:30.670
They do this special ceremony that is done in hopes
1395
01:15:30.770 --> 01:15:34.859
of contacting the spirits of a missing person. And according
1396
01:15:34.899 --> 01:15:38.020
to her, according to the medicine woman, the girl is
1397
01:15:38.060 --> 01:15:42.039
still alive and she's being held against her will somewhere
1398
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:46.050
in Southwest of the United, somewhere in the Southwest United States.
1399
01:15:47.250 --> 01:15:52.329
Investigators still believe that it's possible that she is alive
1400
01:15:52.430 --> 01:15:56.250
and they're searching for her. And that is kind of
1401
01:15:56.289 --> 01:15:59.829
where Unsolved Mysteries leaves us. I will say, maybe I
1402
01:15:59.850 --> 01:16:02.689
can plug it in here. Play the quote for you
1403
01:16:02.710 --> 01:16:04.670
guys about what the mom says at the end.
1404
01:16:05.569 --> 01:16:09.609
I want her to be safe wherever she is. No
1405
01:16:09.649 --> 01:16:14.359
matter who she's with, they got to have some compassion
1406
01:16:15.180 --> 01:16:18.500
not to hurt another human being as small as she is.
1407
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:20.640
And I pray that.
1408
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.069
God will help guide her And help guide all of
1409
01:16:25.210 --> 01:16:29.500
us to keep the strength to go on to find
1410
01:16:29.539 --> 01:16:31.180
her and bring her home safe.
1411
01:16:32.619 --> 01:16:35.979
Okay, because Ben and I both, I will say, it
1412
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.720
was interesting. I'd heard about this story. I'd known about it.
1413
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:39.960
Like I said, it's kind of one of the more
1414
01:16:39.979 --> 01:16:44.210
of the infamous ones. Ben had never heard of this before.
1415
01:16:44.430 --> 01:16:49.289
And that quote... made you kind of like, wait, what?
1416
01:16:49.409 --> 01:16:52.750
When I first watched it, it's a real weird way
1417
01:16:52.850 --> 01:16:53.670
of saying that.
1418
01:16:54.470 --> 01:16:58.069
Well, she's, I mean, you play the role, but literally,
1419
01:16:58.409 --> 01:17:01.140
I hope my daughter's safe wherever she is.
1420
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.699
And that the people that have her are nice to
1421
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:07.659
her because she's a little girl. What? Who says that?
1422
01:17:08.180 --> 01:17:11.699
I'm saying if my kid is kidnapped, all I'm saying
1423
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:13.960
is I'm trying to do everything I can to get
1424
01:17:14.020 --> 01:17:16.609
my child back. Yeah. Yeah.
1425
01:17:16.630 --> 01:17:18.430
Well, we've covered a lot of these stories where parents
1426
01:17:18.489 --> 01:17:20.130
are interviewed and that.
1427
01:17:20.149 --> 01:17:23.789
And don't get me wrong. Like I do, I do
1428
01:17:23.829 --> 01:17:27.029
think it's important. Like we do judge a lot of
1429
01:17:27.069 --> 01:17:29.789
people's statements after like in tragedy.
1430
01:17:29.810 --> 01:17:30.550
Yeah.
1431
01:17:30.569 --> 01:17:33.689
We always like, I would never say that. I'm like, yeah,
1432
01:17:33.710 --> 01:17:35.989
but you don't really know what you'd say until you're
1433
01:17:36.069 --> 01:17:40.119
in that situation. So I don't know. All I'm saying
1434
01:17:40.180 --> 01:17:42.380
is that when I watched it for the first time.
1435
01:17:43.539 --> 01:17:44.539
Her statement was weird.
1436
01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:49.020
It was strange to me to be like, and he
1437
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:51.420
was like, yeah, I mean, obviously like you, you do.
1438
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:53.609
Cause I try not to judge people too. I'm one
1439
01:17:53.649 --> 01:17:57.869
of those people, you guys, when life is stressful or
1440
01:17:58.010 --> 01:18:03.149
very like extreme on like the sad emotions, Ben's even
1441
01:18:03.210 --> 01:18:06.479
noted this about me. I shut down. I go into
1442
01:18:06.489 --> 01:18:09.619
like almost like a cold black and white candor of
1443
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:14.779
speaking and like very like okay, let's check off A, B, C.
1444
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.359
Like I go to this very rigid mindset. I don't
1445
01:18:17.970 --> 01:18:20.470
cry at like a lot of things that normally are
1446
01:18:20.489 --> 01:18:24.069
very like said. I do tend to do that later,
1447
01:18:24.149 --> 01:18:28.010
like privately. But I'm also like, if I ever had
1448
01:18:28.029 --> 01:18:31.109
to like be interviewed about something crazy and tragic, I
1449
01:18:31.170 --> 01:18:33.449
would be flagged as the person that like, well, that
1450
01:18:33.470 --> 01:18:36.949
person's not acting normal. It wasn't her acting. It was
1451
01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:39.859
the words that she said and the way she said
1452
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.729
it to me felt like she was, speaking to the
1453
01:18:43.770 --> 01:18:46.060
person who had her daughter. But not in a way like, hey,
1454
01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:47.300
if you have my daughter, I'd like you to bring
1455
01:18:47.340 --> 01:18:48.270
her home, please.
1456
01:18:48.289 --> 01:18:52.340
Yeah, because we... get that a lot like whoever please
1457
01:18:52.859 --> 01:18:56.420
compassion she's just a girl please.
1458
01:18:56.180 --> 01:19:01.750
Want to bring her home yeah yeah so Take that quote.
1459
01:19:01.949 --> 01:19:04.729
Take the clip I posted for what you will. Okay,
1460
01:19:04.770 --> 01:19:07.750
so that is kind of where Unsolved Mystery leaves us
1461
01:19:07.850 --> 01:19:10.170
right as the end of Penny's interview.
1462
01:19:10.189 --> 01:19:14.170
Okay. Okay, update.
1463
01:19:14.289 --> 01:19:16.789
I'm going to give you the very basics of updates. Yeah,
1464
01:19:16.810 --> 01:19:19.899
and like I said, please refer to the other podcast.
1465
01:19:19.979 --> 01:19:23.140
Still Unsolved. Investigators now believe due to the passage of
1466
01:19:23.220 --> 01:19:29.300
time that Antoinette is likely deceased. They don't believe any
1467
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:34.039
more that there's a possibility that she's been, that she's
1468
01:19:34.060 --> 01:19:39.760
still around. Penny has passed away April 8th, only of 1999.
1469
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.600
She was quite young, but I do find it interesting.
1470
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:45.869
You said that in 1999, she passed away. How old
1471
01:19:45.909 --> 01:19:46.250
was she?
1472
01:19:46.729 --> 01:19:48.010
I said she was still quite young.
1473
01:19:48.029 --> 01:19:48.909
Oh, okay.
1474
01:19:48.949 --> 01:19:50.890
I don't know exactly. I mean, I think her age,
1475
01:19:50.930 --> 01:19:53.270
she was, I think 46 or 47 for my room.
1476
01:19:53.350 --> 01:19:54.970
I didn't write it down, but she was in her early,
1477
01:19:55.010 --> 01:19:56.909
like mid forties, mid to late forties.
1478
01:19:56.970 --> 01:19:57.210
Okay.
1479
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.939
But I do know this for a fact. Before her death,
1480
01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:07.000
the police tried to question her again, hoping for some
1481
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:10.159
sort of like deathbed confession.
1482
01:20:10.180 --> 01:20:11.140
Okay.
1483
01:20:12.500 --> 01:20:18.640
So they wanted to question her about the disappearance. But
1484
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:22.180
the death was making things kind of complicated in her.
1485
01:20:22.220 --> 01:20:24.819
I think she passed away from like many. This woman,
1486
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:27.520
we're going to find out. She, I'm not going to
1487
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:31.329
sugarcoat it. She was a terrible mother. She was heavily
1488
01:20:31.430 --> 01:20:32.130
using drugs.
1489
01:20:32.529 --> 01:20:33.050
She was a drug.
1490
01:20:33.130 --> 01:20:38.729
She partied. She had multiple men and not good men
1491
01:20:39.170 --> 01:20:42.060
in and out of her home. She hosted huge events
1492
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:45.600
at her, huge drinking and drug parties. There's a lot
1493
01:20:45.619 --> 01:20:48.840
of evidence that she was involved in the selling of narcotics.
1494
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.659
And she was just, this woman should have not had
1495
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.560
her children with her, period. End of story.
1496
01:20:53.979 --> 01:20:56.000
It wasn't a good environment for her kids.
1497
01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:58.899
No, if you want the victimology, she introduced a lot
1498
01:20:58.930 --> 01:21:01.829
of people into her children's and into her home and
1499
01:21:01.850 --> 01:21:05.310
into her children's lives that were dangerous for her children
1500
01:21:05.350 --> 01:21:09.430
to be around, making the list of suspects quite large.
1501
01:21:10.930 --> 01:21:14.609
But the investigators truly believe.
1502
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:16.699
That she.
1503
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:20.640
Knew a ton more about what happened that night.
1504
01:21:21.140 --> 01:21:25.300
They believe that she at least Maybe if she wasn't involved,
1505
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:31.399
that she might have had more information to give.
1506
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:33.850
Yeah, they believe that she was either A, involved, or B,
1507
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:38.140
was withholding information to keep certain men in her life safe.
1508
01:21:38.699 --> 01:21:39.399
Or to keep herself.
1509
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.970
Keep herself safe. Yeah. So she apparently failed multiple polygraph
1510
01:21:44.010 --> 01:21:50.630
tests and reportedly made several expensive purchases immediately following her
1511
01:21:50.649 --> 01:21:51.489
daughter's disappearance.
1512
01:21:51.609 --> 01:21:51.689
And.
1513
01:21:52.300 --> 01:21:53.920
some reason came into some money.
1514
01:21:54.220 --> 01:21:56.500
I'll say the polygraph for a drug addict.
1515
01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:57.819
Yeah. I mean, whatever.
1516
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:02.020
Failing a polygraph for a drug addict because she might've
1517
01:22:02.060 --> 01:22:05.229
failed because she was afraid to even speak on any
1518
01:22:05.270 --> 01:22:10.510
of her drug use. And that might've that, but so,
1519
01:22:10.569 --> 01:22:13.510
so that like what I'm saying is that doesn't trigger
1520
01:22:13.569 --> 01:22:14.289
anything for me.
1521
01:22:14.310 --> 01:22:14.390
Yeah.
1522
01:22:16.060 --> 01:22:20.560
But for you to make large purchases.
1523
01:22:20.579 --> 01:22:21.300
Yeah.
1524
01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:26.899
Because I can't imagine this lady had a high-paying career
1525
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:27.920
if you're doing drugs.
1526
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:34.119
No, she didn't. That's suspicious. One of the biggest speculations,
1527
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:36.939
and actually probably the theory that I fall most in
1528
01:22:36.979 --> 01:22:41.550
line with, is that her mother allowed her to be
1529
01:22:41.890 --> 01:22:44.890
taken or sold with in some sort of human trafficking case.
1530
01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.640
I would love to be proven wrong. Like, please, for
1531
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:52.579
the love of everything, prove me wrong.
1532
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:57.340
Because. I, if. I know.
1533
01:22:58.060 --> 01:22:58.380
I know.
1534
01:22:58.399 --> 01:22:59.399
If that is the case.
1535
01:23:00.739 --> 01:23:01.140
Good luck.
1536
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:03.579
You are the worst human ever. Yeah.
1537
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:04.279
But it happens.
1538
01:23:04.300 --> 01:23:05.060
There's a special place.
1539
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:07.279
You know for a fact that it happens.
1540
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:10.890
I know. And that's what, there is a special place
1541
01:23:10.939 --> 01:23:13.869
in hell for people like that. Yeah. Yeah.
1542
01:23:14.310 --> 01:23:16.850
You've seen it happen. It's terrible.
1543
01:23:16.949 --> 01:23:19.989
It's disgusting. And it's one of the worst parts.
1544
01:23:19.850 --> 01:23:21.800
Of civilian life. And if you match that theory with
1545
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:27.319
her comment that I played. And again, that's just speculation.
1546
01:23:27.420 --> 01:23:28.600
It's speculation we don't know.
1547
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:32.590
Sadly, both of her biological parents, as far as I know,
1548
01:23:32.630 --> 01:23:36.329
have passed away. From my understanding, and this could be
1549
01:23:36.489 --> 01:23:40.470
changed from now on. Both of the sisters have kind
1550
01:23:40.529 --> 01:23:44.789
of spoken. They've done some interviews. They have talked to investigators.
1551
01:23:45.489 --> 01:23:48.270
I don't know if the two sisters that are still
1552
01:23:48.329 --> 01:23:52.850
alive today have much of a relationship. It seems like
1553
01:23:52.869 --> 01:24:01.619
this might have fractured them as well. But another younger
1554
01:24:01.699 --> 01:24:08.310
sister named Sadie has given a few interviews, like, more recently,
1555
01:24:08.369 --> 01:24:14.529
like 2022, 2023, like more recently than obviously the Unsolved Mysteries,
1556
01:24:16.189 --> 01:24:19.550
she brought up some good points of things that she'd heard, witnessed,
1557
01:24:19.630 --> 01:24:22.109
or seen as a child growing up in this home.
1558
01:24:22.130 --> 01:24:23.689
I don't.
1559
01:24:24.689 --> 01:24:27.140
Know if this will ever be solved because we haven't
1560
01:24:27.979 --> 01:24:31.359
found a body. We have zero traces of what happened
1561
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.159
to her, basically, other than she was left home alone
1562
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:36.260
with her two little sisters at the age of nine
1563
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:40.149
years old. And at least by three in the morning,
1564
01:24:40.170 --> 01:24:42.090
the middle of the night, her mother was nowhere to
1565
01:24:42.130 --> 01:24:42.510
be found.
1566
01:24:43.729 --> 01:24:46.130
It never gives an explanation for it. Nope.
1567
01:24:48.789 --> 01:24:50.729
No, we don't even know what the mom's alibi is
1568
01:24:50.869 --> 01:24:54.369
as far as where she was that night. The speculation
1569
01:24:54.409 --> 01:24:55.909
is that she was at a bar or she was
1570
01:24:55.970 --> 01:25:04.750
out with a guy. So, yep. Yep. Okay. Merry Christmas episode.
1571
01:25:04.770 --> 01:25:07.390
That's what I was like. This is crazy stories for
1572
01:25:07.430 --> 01:25:10.750
this to be the Christmas episode, but Ben's going to
1573
01:25:10.890 --> 01:25:14.989
end us on a little bit more of a lighter one.
1574
01:25:15.010 --> 01:25:20.859
And then I have a fun Christmas, Christmas slash summer
1575
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:24.260
story to tell you guys. Ben and I can talk
1576
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:29.319
about one of our fun experiences surrounding a holiday. That's
1577
01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.069
now become a holiday joke for us. All right, you
1578
01:25:32.100 --> 01:25:32.720
got your notes up?
1579
01:25:34.420 --> 01:25:38.020
Yep. Okay. All right, Robert Stack starts us out with
1580
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:43.159
this quote. Around Christmas time, even the most hard-boiled among
1581
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:51.260
us seem to soften up to look for the best
1582
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:54.960
in others to give more freely of ourselves. It's a
1583
01:25:55.060 --> 01:25:58.180
time we begin to hope for little miracles.
1584
01:25:58.220 --> 01:26:00.720
He basically right now is the ghost of Christmas future.
1585
01:26:02.630 --> 01:26:04.130
I just, I like rubber stack quotes.
1586
01:26:04.149 --> 01:26:06.689
Because Ebenezer Scrooge was hard-boiled. He was a hard-boiled egg.
1587
01:26:07.750 --> 01:26:11.750
Yeah. I wouldn't know anything about that. All right.
1588
01:26:11.970 --> 01:26:17.930
You guys, Ben played Bob Cratchit in A Christmas Carol.
1589
01:26:18.390 --> 01:26:18.649
I did.
1590
01:26:18.850 --> 01:26:20.899
Little known fact about Ben, he's a thespian.
1591
01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:26.659
Once. Once in my life. All right, we're going to
1592
01:26:26.689 --> 01:26:29.430
get told a story of just a good deed that
1593
01:26:29.470 --> 01:26:33.329
takes place in Florida. We get told about Florida. It's
1594
01:26:33.489 --> 01:26:37.470
a retirement town. It might look luxurious, but there's an
1595
01:26:37.770 --> 01:26:44.340
underbelly of retired poor folk that are just living on
1596
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:49.979
fixed incomes, which, okay, that's absolutely true. Gene and Russell
1597
01:26:50.020 --> 01:26:52.979
Johnson are one of those folks. They had moved down.
1598
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:58.939
From Wayne, Michigan to Florida after they retired. And Russell
1599
01:26:58.979 --> 01:27:02.439
had been a fire chief up there, but he was
1600
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.659
forced into retirement after a pretty severe heart attack, which
1601
01:27:05.699 --> 01:27:11.229
that breaks my heart. Being someone in, I'm not in fire,
1602
01:27:11.270 --> 01:27:15.050
but doing first responder stuff to be forced out of
1603
01:27:15.109 --> 01:27:20.229
that job due to your health. That really sucks. That's
1604
01:27:20.649 --> 01:27:24.989
not fun. So but now in retirement, he works on
1605
01:27:25.069 --> 01:27:29.750
custom dollhouses and he repairs church organs, which awesome.
1606
01:27:30.350 --> 01:27:31.350
Church organs.
1607
01:27:31.529 --> 01:27:32.510
I think that's awesome.
1608
01:27:32.590 --> 01:27:35.229
I agree. The specialty skill that that had to take
1609
01:27:35.289 --> 01:27:36.310
to do that. Yep.
1610
01:27:37.550 --> 01:27:41.149
Jean was a homemaker. She raised four kids and now
1611
01:27:41.409 --> 01:27:44.350
they're just trying to get by in retirement.
1612
01:27:45.689 --> 01:27:49.670
So thank goodness that Social Security really paid out, huh?
1613
01:27:51.350 --> 01:27:53.630
That's a podcast for another day.
1614
01:27:53.649 --> 01:27:58.159
Um, Robert Stack tells us they made ends meet and
1615
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:03.380
lived a pretty routine and uneventful life until the winter
1616
01:28:03.420 --> 01:28:11.550
of 1985. Okay. It was sometime in November. Uh, Russell's
1617
01:28:11.630 --> 01:28:14.409
working out in the garage. He says that Jean comes in.
1618
01:28:14.489 --> 01:28:18.359
It's kind of a little like, Hey, there's someone in
1619
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.369
the front yard. Like there's someone on the property in
1620
01:28:21.409 --> 01:28:25.210
the yard. And Russell's like, okay, yeah, no problem, man.
1621
01:28:25.250 --> 01:28:27.810
He opens up the garage and there's a fellow there.
1622
01:28:28.529 --> 01:28:31.569
And he says, hey, do you have any work I
1623
01:28:31.609 --> 01:28:36.510
can do for food? I'm really hungry and I'm willing
1624
01:28:36.569 --> 01:28:39.550
to work to get food. And Russell tells him, he goes,
1625
01:28:39.590 --> 01:28:42.300
you know what? I don't have any work for you,
1626
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.399
but I sure ain't going to let you leave hungry.
1627
01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:51.020
Turns to Jean's like, Hey, we got some sandwich stuff.
1628
01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:54.220
Let's make this man a sandwich. She runs in there.
1629
01:28:54.260 --> 01:28:54.739
She makes them.
1630
01:28:55.180 --> 01:28:57.020
Really hard for me because we also heard that the
1631
01:28:57.060 --> 01:29:00.739
last guy that was nice and like little yard had
1632
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.750
a dead body back there possibly like so which is
1633
01:29:03.829 --> 01:29:06.149
it robert which what are we supposed to do because
1634
01:29:06.770 --> 01:29:08.989
i'm i'm the bleeding heart every time we're in town
1635
01:29:09.029 --> 01:29:10.829
and i see something like ben pulled over and ben's
1636
01:29:10.850 --> 01:29:15.460
like absolutely not you are gonna get yourself into trouble
1637
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.060
by doing that but then i hear stories like this
1638
01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:19.840
and i'm like that's what we're supposed.
1639
01:29:19.500 --> 01:29:22.069
To do I don't know.
1640
01:29:22.329 --> 01:29:24.670
You just got to, I guess, go with your gut.
1641
01:29:25.229 --> 01:29:27.170
And if I get taken out because I'm trying to
1642
01:29:27.229 --> 01:29:29.899
give a guy a sandwich who told me he was hungry,
1643
01:29:29.979 --> 01:29:33.520
then I guess you can apply for sainthood for me.
1644
01:29:33.539 --> 01:29:38.300
Yeah, I'll apply for sainthood for you. So they made
1645
01:29:38.380 --> 01:29:41.430
several sandwiches for him and they poured him a glass
1646
01:29:41.529 --> 01:29:45.810
of ice cold iced tea. Because it might be November,
1647
01:29:45.850 --> 01:29:49.770
but it's Florida. It ain't cold there. It's hot and humid.
1648
01:29:50.050 --> 01:29:52.649
My nephew looked up when I was up in Utah
1649
01:29:53.489 --> 01:29:57.489
visiting because he really thinks that weather's crazy. And Utah
1650
01:29:57.510 --> 01:30:01.670
to Arizona, the weather's obviously very different. And he was
1651
01:30:01.710 --> 01:30:03.829
amazed at how hot it is down here. And so
1652
01:30:03.869 --> 01:30:07.229
he started investigating and looking at the hottest places on
1653
01:30:07.350 --> 01:30:10.010
earth and all that stuff. And we were convinced that
1654
01:30:10.350 --> 01:30:13.710
one of the hottest states definitely has to be Arizona.
1655
01:30:15.229 --> 01:30:21.939
But due to average temperature medium, the hottest and warmest
1656
01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.880
state in the United States is actually Florida.
1657
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:26.199
It's further south.
1658
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:29.699
Well, it's further south, but it rarely gets to like
1659
01:30:29.699 --> 01:30:33.449
110 like it does here or in Death Valley, 115.
1660
01:30:33.449 --> 01:30:36.710
But it stays relatively about the same. And in the
1661
01:30:36.789 --> 01:30:39.550
desert here, we can get crazy low weather.
1662
01:30:39.569 --> 01:30:43.279
Well, that's the thing is Florida's, their highs to their
1663
01:30:43.340 --> 01:30:47.970
lows in the night fluctuate. 10, 15 degrees because of
1664
01:30:48.010 --> 01:30:52.050
the humidity. We can no joke fluctuate 40 degrees.
1665
01:30:52.069 --> 01:30:54.989
I never experienced this in my life until living here.
1666
01:30:55.289 --> 01:30:58.319
To have between the middle of the day and early
1667
01:30:58.380 --> 01:31:02.659
morning hours, 40 plus degrees fluctuation in temperature.
1668
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:05.760
In the wintertime, it gets down into the 20s and
1669
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:09.260
30s and it will get to 70 degrees. Oh my gosh.
1670
01:31:12.869 --> 01:31:14.170
You're pissing me off.
1671
01:31:14.250 --> 01:31:16.229
I sneakily roped you into.
1672
01:31:16.260 --> 01:31:17.340
You're pissing me off.
1673
01:31:18.619 --> 01:31:19.920
Sorry, you can give me a spanking later.
1674
01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:24.159
All right. All right. So they pour him a glass
1675
01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:30.229
of ice cold iced tea, make him sandwiches. And Russell says, hey,
1676
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.489
are you tired? He pulls out a couple lawn chairs
1677
01:31:32.630 --> 01:31:35.270
and they sit and they just talk. And he says
1678
01:31:35.369 --> 01:31:37.670
he seems so tired and run down that there were
1679
01:31:37.689 --> 01:31:39.350
some points he didn't want to talk. So they just
1680
01:31:39.390 --> 01:31:45.100
sat there together. He ate about three sandwiches and he said,
1681
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.819
thank you. I need to be on my way. Russell's like,
1682
01:31:48.859 --> 01:31:51.859
hey man, what do you got? What do you got
1683
01:31:51.890 --> 01:31:56.069
in your pocket? He goes, I have 13 cents. He's like, nope.
1684
01:31:56.810 --> 01:31:59.470
Pulls out everything he's got in his pocket. Doesn't have much.
1685
01:32:00.250 --> 01:32:03.529
Gene goes in the house and pulls out some cash
1686
01:32:03.569 --> 01:32:06.550
they have in the cookie jar.
1687
01:32:06.569 --> 01:32:08.210
Yeah, the coffee cup or the coffee jar.
1688
01:32:08.310 --> 01:32:11.649
And he said, he goes, listen, we were struggling at
1689
01:32:11.689 --> 01:32:15.000
the time. We didn't have a lot. Russell had just
1690
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:18.659
had open heart surgery and Gene was battling cancer at
1691
01:32:18.699 --> 01:32:22.079
the time. So their medical bills are piling up, but
1692
01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:24.199
they gave him what they had. And he goes, it
1693
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:27.550
probably couldn't have been much more than five bucks. The
1694
01:32:27.590 --> 01:32:30.729
man looks at him and says, God bless you. And
1695
01:32:30.949 --> 01:32:33.390
he goes on his way. They said they walked through
1696
01:32:33.430 --> 01:32:35.229
the house and went to like the side porch to
1697
01:32:35.270 --> 01:32:37.350
kind of wave him goodbye as they walked down the
1698
01:32:37.390 --> 01:32:41.130
street and he wasn't there. So they go back into
1699
01:32:41.170 --> 01:32:43.170
the front yard, into the street. They look down the
1700
01:32:43.210 --> 01:32:45.750
street both ways. They don't see him. He's like, he
1701
01:32:45.770 --> 01:32:49.289
just like disappeared. They don't know where he went. So
1702
01:32:49.310 --> 01:32:51.329
they're kind of, they joke and it's like, you know,
1703
01:32:51.369 --> 01:32:54.090
maybe it was just an angel visiting and testing us
1704
01:32:54.130 --> 01:32:55.729
to see if we would do the right thing.
1705
01:32:55.750 --> 01:32:59.550
And, uh, And you're in your golden years, so you
1706
01:32:59.569 --> 01:33:01.850
definitely want to make sure you got all the points
1707
01:33:02.149 --> 01:33:03.149
in the rank category.
1708
01:33:03.369 --> 01:33:07.630
That's right. So that was the end of that experience.
1709
01:33:07.630 --> 01:33:11.159
10 days before Christmas, they get a card in the mail,
1710
01:33:11.260 --> 01:33:14.699
and it just says, from your Christian friend. And there's
1711
01:33:14.739 --> 01:33:17.560
a $ 500 check in there. And this is 1985. Did
1712
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:19.000
you adjust it for inflation?
1713
01:33:19.020 --> 01:33:21.260
Well, it's 85, so we kind of know it's three times.
1714
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:28.689
It's about $ 1, 500 today. That's a lot of money.
1715
01:33:28.710 --> 01:33:31.250
That's a good chunk of money.
1716
01:33:32.289 --> 01:33:36.250
So they thought it was a joke. They take it
1717
01:33:36.289 --> 01:33:38.350
down to the bank. They know the manager at the
1718
01:33:38.390 --> 01:33:41.270
bank is like, listen, this might be a joke, but
1719
01:33:42.289 --> 01:33:43.750
we got this in the mail. We don't know who
1720
01:33:43.789 --> 01:33:47.680
this is from. We actually probably don't even think this
1721
01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:51.039
is legit. Manager's like, yeah, this is good as gold, man.
1722
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:51.640
Where do you want it?
1723
01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:54.880
I wouldn't, I'm the same way. I would assume it's
1724
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:57.960
a scam. Nowadays, I would assume someone's trying to scam me.
1725
01:33:57.979 --> 01:34:05.239
Yeah. So literally for the next, so I'm looking at
1726
01:34:05.260 --> 01:34:09.310
my notes here. For the next five years, every Christmas,
1727
01:34:10.250 --> 01:34:16.510
they keep getting a card with no explanation, telling them
1728
01:34:16.689 --> 01:34:20.430
they're from their friend, from Santa, this, and 500 bucks
1729
01:34:21.310 --> 01:34:21.829
sent to them.
1730
01:34:23.029 --> 01:34:24.449
That's amazing.
1731
01:34:24.470 --> 01:34:27.810
I have no idea who it's from. It's postmarked somewhere
1732
01:34:27.909 --> 01:34:30.770
from Orlando. Okay.
1733
01:34:31.270 --> 01:34:31.850
Mickey Mouse.
1734
01:34:33.189 --> 01:34:36.770
So they pretty much just say, like, listen, we think
1735
01:34:36.810 --> 01:34:40.760
it's from our angel friend. And they make the points like, listen,
1736
01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:45.600
we gave $ 5 at the most. We didn't have much,
1737
01:34:45.659 --> 01:34:48.539
but we tried to give what we could. And it
1738
01:34:48.579 --> 01:34:53.140
has literally been paid back to us in $ 0. 10. They
1739
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:54.720
don't know who he is, but all they want to
1740
01:34:54.779 --> 01:35:02.340
say is thank you. So that's pretty much where Unsolved
1741
01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:05.140
Mysteries leaves us. Robert Stack leaves us with this quote.
1742
01:35:05.340 --> 01:35:05.699
All right.
1743
01:35:06.390 --> 01:35:11.189
Did the Johnsons experience a Christmas miracle? Perhaps. Or perhaps
1744
01:35:11.289 --> 01:35:16.069
they simply experienced the everyday miracle of kindness, which is
1745
01:35:16.090 --> 01:35:17.909
never out of season.
1746
01:35:19.010 --> 01:35:20.609
Oh, I love that quote.
1747
01:35:20.989 --> 01:35:21.890
I know. I knew you would.
1748
01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:26.300
I love kindness. It's one thing not to like, I
1749
01:35:26.340 --> 01:35:28.220
don't know. I've told my kids and we've got a
1750
01:35:28.220 --> 01:35:32.579
daughter and beauty is a whole thing when you have
1751
01:35:32.899 --> 01:35:36.260
teenage daughter and all of this stuff and expectation of
1752
01:35:36.300 --> 01:35:38.739
what they're supposed to look like and all that. And
1753
01:35:38.819 --> 01:35:46.050
I have told my daughter, there's nothing more beautiful than kindness.
1754
01:35:47.270 --> 01:35:50.770
Well, just last night we were at, we were out
1755
01:35:50.829 --> 01:35:53.949
at the, uh, our little honky tonk we like to
1756
01:35:53.979 --> 01:35:57.260
go to and we were dancing and just, you know, spending,
1757
01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:58.220
we were having a date.
1758
01:35:58.619 --> 01:35:58.859
Yeah.
1759
01:35:58.979 --> 01:35:59.739
We were on a date night.
1760
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:03.159
And I thought it was very nice. Some girl came
1761
01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:08.619
up to you, came out of her way to tell you, say,
1762
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:14.000
you are very beautiful, which you are obviously. But I thought,
1763
01:36:14.020 --> 01:36:19.149
I was like, for someone to, There was no prompting
1764
01:36:19.210 --> 01:36:19.779
behind it.
1765
01:36:20.170 --> 01:36:20.829
No, here's the thing.
1766
01:36:20.850 --> 01:36:22.029
There was no interaction.
1767
01:36:22.050 --> 01:36:23.369
I don't know who she was.
1768
01:36:23.390 --> 01:36:25.899
It's not like you guys had interacted and you were
1769
01:36:25.949 --> 01:36:29.619
starting a conversation and she implemented that into the conversation,
1770
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.840
which there's nothing wrong with it. Like that's very kind
1771
01:36:31.899 --> 01:36:35.180
in itself. But she like went out of her way.
1772
01:36:35.189 --> 01:36:36.409
She sought me out.
1773
01:36:36.470 --> 01:36:36.630
Yeah.
1774
01:36:36.649 --> 01:36:39.029
She came up and like, cause you even asked me like,
1775
01:36:39.050 --> 01:36:40.850
what was that about? Like grab me.
1776
01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:42.579
Cause this girl came out of nowhere.
1777
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.380
Yeah. Touched me on the shoulder. And so I turned
1778
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.680
around and I, like, I was like, Oh, like what's up? Like,
1779
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:49.840
how can I help you? I assumed that she had
1780
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:55.439
a question or something. Um, and she said that she
1781
01:36:55.470 --> 01:36:57.489
wanted to just tell me, she's like, I just felt
1782
01:36:57.510 --> 01:36:59.289
like I wanted to come over here and tell you
1783
01:36:59.310 --> 01:37:02.310
that I think that you're really, she's like, you're just,
1784
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:06.659
beautiful and she's like you just i like she's like
1785
01:37:06.779 --> 01:37:09.220
everything about you she's like i just wanted to let
1786
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:11.159
you know that it was very i literally gave her
1787
01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.140
a huge hug and i was like thank you and
1788
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:18.600
she was you guys i'm you know said 41 she
1789
01:37:18.619 --> 01:37:21.460
was maybe in her early 20s she is standing where
1790
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:26.460
in a college town in comparison like she's the beauty
1791
01:37:26.500 --> 01:37:28.800
here but she came up and it was a very
1792
01:37:29.140 --> 01:37:32.810
sweet of her and Didn't cost her anything.
1793
01:37:33.270 --> 01:37:36.649
I just thought it was an act of kindness because
1794
01:37:36.750 --> 01:37:40.229
she literally went out of her way. It wasn't something
1795
01:37:40.270 --> 01:37:44.640
in passing. She made the effort to do it. And
1796
01:37:44.689 --> 01:37:47.079
I thought, well, that's nice. It's nice to see that
1797
01:37:47.100 --> 01:37:50.159
there are people still doing that in the world. Just
1798
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:54.659
saying nice things, which you do all the time. I
1799
01:37:54.699 --> 01:37:57.399
try to. Kindness is something I've always tried to. That
1800
01:37:57.420 --> 01:37:59.689
is one attribute I've loved about you is that you
1801
01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:03.239
constantly are kind to people and you go out of
1802
01:38:03.300 --> 01:38:06.220
your way to be kind to people and say kind
1803
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:08.840
things thanks babe i try to say as little as
1804
01:38:08.899 --> 01:38:13.180
possible but you always find the nice things to say
1805
01:38:13.220 --> 01:38:15.680
to people anyways i thought this was a beautiful story
1806
01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:20.270
this war on soul mysteries leaves us any updates at
1807
01:38:20.369 --> 01:38:23.270
all they never found the benefactor it appears that you
1808
01:38:23.289 --> 01:38:25.649
know it happened for five years i don't know unless
1809
01:38:25.670 --> 01:38:26.329
they never.
1810
01:38:26.229 --> 01:38:29.430
Like bank could have tracked because the bottom of a
1811
01:38:29.470 --> 01:38:32.020
check has a checking account number and a routing number
1812
01:38:32.100 --> 01:38:33.310
on it but maybe i don't.
1813
01:38:33.140 --> 01:38:36.600
Know yeah uh russell did pass away in 2002 at
1814
01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.359
the age of 77 and jean passed away in 2018
1815
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:44.720
and 91 whoa yeah i read her i read both
1816
01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:46.699
of their obituaries yeah beautiful.
1817
01:38:47.829 --> 01:38:48.710
Well, good.
1818
01:38:48.970 --> 01:38:49.789
Seem like good people.
1819
01:38:50.369 --> 01:38:53.550
Well, maybe everyone go and do something kind today. If
1820
01:38:53.569 --> 01:38:56.170
you're listening to this, grab the person's drink in front
1821
01:38:56.210 --> 01:38:57.890
of you. I mean, even if it doesn't cost any money,
1822
01:38:57.949 --> 01:39:01.859
say the person's name at the cash register. Ask someone
1823
01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:05.359
how they're doing. Compliment somebody on their shoes. Tell someone
1824
01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:08.779
that they're pretty. I don't know. Do a nice deed.
1825
01:39:09.100 --> 01:39:10.579
If we all did it, it makes the world a
1826
01:39:10.579 --> 01:39:14.069
little bit brighter. It's a Halloween miracle.
1827
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:17.680
There you go. That's all I got.
1828
01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:21.340
All right. Yeah, that was kind of weirdly like very
1829
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.310
Charles Dickens-ish, like how we told that started out. And
1830
01:39:25.329 --> 01:39:33.039
then we ended up with the sort of revolving door
1831
01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:34.859
of like kindness at the end of the day is
1832
01:39:34.899 --> 01:39:39.449
what matters. Okay, so I thought... You guys, that's... Okay,
1833
01:39:39.470 --> 01:39:43.229
so that's our recap. Season 5, episode 14, Unsolved Mysteries.
1834
01:39:43.810 --> 01:39:46.960
That's out of the way. Follow, review, rate, blah-diddy-blah-did-blah. Share
1835
01:39:46.979 --> 01:39:51.399
us with a friend. But we normally end the podcast
1836
01:39:51.420 --> 01:39:54.300
with a question. Last week, we talked about practical magic.
1837
01:39:55.260 --> 01:39:59.569
I thought... Today, as I was driving home, I remembered
1838
01:39:59.909 --> 01:40:03.609
this memory because this is the Christmas special, but obviously
1839
01:40:03.670 --> 01:40:05.890
we're sharing this before Christmas time.
1840
01:40:05.909 --> 01:40:07.449
Sharing before Halloween.
1841
01:40:07.470 --> 01:40:08.390
Before even Halloween time.
1842
01:40:08.409 --> 01:40:09.489
Technically even October.
1843
01:40:09.510 --> 01:40:10.869
So I was trying to think of a question that
1844
01:40:10.930 --> 01:40:13.189
revolved around Christmas and stuff. And I was like, man,
1845
01:40:13.250 --> 01:40:15.470
like it feels a little early to do that.
1846
01:40:15.550 --> 01:40:16.510
Yeah, we can't be doing that.
1847
01:40:17.189 --> 01:40:21.489
We do have a weird story that combines end of
1848
01:40:21.569 --> 01:40:26.939
summer and Christmas together. Do you want to tell it
1849
01:40:26.979 --> 01:40:27.880
or you want me to tell it?
1850
01:40:27.899 --> 01:40:30.239
You're going to have to. I remember it, but not
1851
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:31.020
very well.
1852
01:40:31.899 --> 01:40:35.550
Okay. Well, you can interject as need be. So every
1853
01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:37.510
couple of years, my, on my mom's.
1854
01:40:37.529 --> 01:40:39.090
So we're just telling a funny story.
1855
01:40:39.109 --> 01:40:41.689
Yeah, we're just telling a funny story. And so if
1856
01:40:41.770 --> 01:40:43.609
you don't want to listen to this, check us out
1857
01:40:43.649 --> 01:40:48.670
next week. If you do. Bye. Bye. Yeah. Every couple
1858
01:40:48.689 --> 01:40:50.890
of years on my mom's side of the family, they
1859
01:40:50.930 --> 01:40:54.869
do a humongous family reunion, like third time. Fourth cousins,
1860
01:40:54.909 --> 01:41:00.369
the whole nine yards. Yeah. And we usually can't make it.
1861
01:41:00.380 --> 01:41:02.359
We've only done twice in our marriage.
1862
01:41:02.739 --> 01:41:05.180
Because, well, they try to do it where obviously a
1863
01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:08.079
lot of our family lives, which is in parts of Utah, Oregon,
1864
01:41:08.100 --> 01:41:09.460
or like Northern California.
1865
01:41:10.430 --> 01:41:11.180
We, and our.
1866
01:41:11.939 --> 01:41:15.500
Anyways, long story short, logistically, it's always like I think
1867
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:17.579
when our kids are like back in school because we
1868
01:41:17.619 --> 01:41:19.920
have a weird school schedule here in Arizona. So we
1869
01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:21.020
haven't got to go very often.
1870
01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:23.270
Sometimes we just don't want to go.
1871
01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.619
Sometimes it depends on where it's going to be.
1872
01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:27.229
It depends on the mood. Yeah.
1873
01:41:27.439 --> 01:41:31.390
But we went a few years ago. And if anyone
1874
01:41:31.430 --> 01:41:35.060
knows me, I'm one of the least curious. competitive human
1875
01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:36.659
beings on the face of the earth i could care
1876
01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:39.220
less if i win or lose doesn't bother me you
1877
01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:41.899
i'm not very competitive you're not very competitive either and
1878
01:41:42.909 --> 01:41:44.890
actually i want to say i don't think brandy is
1879
01:41:45.069 --> 01:41:48.550
either but we have some family members that are competitive
1880
01:41:48.789 --> 01:41:53.270
but here here's the difference is i also love to
1881
01:41:53.430 --> 01:41:58.430
tease i love teasing in a good way i just
1882
01:41:58.449 --> 01:42:02.470
talked about kindness and i'm like let's tease people I
1883
01:42:02.590 --> 01:42:04.750
won't take teasing too far, or at least I try
1884
01:42:04.789 --> 01:42:06.329
not to, but I love practical.
1885
01:42:06.350 --> 01:42:08.060
I'll take it as far as I need to go.
1886
01:42:09.220 --> 01:42:11.300
I do love practical jokes.
1887
01:42:11.899 --> 01:42:12.439
Here's the thing.
1888
01:42:12.500 --> 01:42:14.560
Practical jokes and like.
1889
01:42:15.149 --> 01:42:16.310
Let's make this very clear.
1890
01:42:16.329 --> 01:42:17.449
Or one of my favorite things.
1891
01:42:17.569 --> 01:42:19.649
There's a lot of people in your family that are
1892
01:42:19.810 --> 01:42:20.970
very competitive.
1893
01:42:21.170 --> 01:42:25.069
Well, and that's the point is that my extended family has,
1894
01:42:25.649 --> 01:42:28.100
some people are extreme.
1895
01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:31.520
Well, and they make it very easy to poke the bear.
1896
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:35.439
And the one thing I love in life the most
1897
01:42:36.260 --> 01:42:39.880
is poking the bear. Yeah. I'm the youngest.
1898
01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.399
And I'm the oldest. So I'm always right. So I
1899
01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:50.739
love it. But me and my sister Brandy and Ben,
1900
01:42:51.550 --> 01:42:53.970
there is something about when we three get together.
1901
01:42:53.989 --> 01:42:58.229
It's recipe for a good time.
1902
01:42:58.409 --> 01:43:01.529
Because Ben's the youngest, Brandy's the middle, and I'm the oldest.
1903
01:43:01.590 --> 01:43:04.329
And there is something about our minds that work together
1904
01:43:04.369 --> 01:43:07.609
that we have gotten. We come up with a lot
1905
01:43:07.970 --> 01:43:10.289
of ideas and we seem to get really brave with
1906
01:43:10.350 --> 01:43:12.890
each other and like It's a good time. Egg each
1907
01:43:12.970 --> 01:43:15.409
other on. We have a ton of fun together. And
1908
01:43:15.989 --> 01:43:18.420
if you're around any of us, just be on your
1909
01:43:18.460 --> 01:43:22.739
toes because something's probably going to happen to you. So, yeah,
1910
01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:25.039
we have some family members that are highly competitive and
1911
01:43:25.060 --> 01:43:28.449
they had been planning all weekend this like huge game
1912
01:43:28.510 --> 01:43:30.050
night or something that was going to be like.
1913
01:43:30.069 --> 01:43:35.449
Well, they do something every night. During the family reunion,
1914
01:43:35.510 --> 01:43:39.439
there is some type of activity every evening.
1915
01:43:39.609 --> 01:43:39.880
Yeah. Yeah.
1916
01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:42.140
Because don't worry, like this is like.
1917
01:43:42.779 --> 01:43:43.739
There's like 50 plus.
1918
01:43:43.739 --> 01:43:45.699
50 plus people. Mm-hmm.
1919
01:43:46.060 --> 01:43:48.619
This is not 25. We rent out entire like church camps,
1920
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:51.350
like giant compounds that we rent to stay there.
1921
01:43:51.409 --> 01:43:53.970
And this one was in... Was it in Utah?
1922
01:43:54.010 --> 01:43:54.729
It was in Utah.
1923
01:43:54.789 --> 01:43:59.270
Yeah. Well, like we had the whole campground. We had cabins, multiple. RVs.
1924
01:43:59.470 --> 01:44:02.770
And we had a mess hall rented out.
1925
01:44:03.029 --> 01:44:03.289
Yeah.
1926
01:44:03.489 --> 01:44:08.380
With an industrial kitchen and a massive like... It was
1927
01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.439
a mess hall, like with tables and that. We're literally
1928
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:12.819
75 plus people.
1929
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:16.420
So every evening after dinner, there was some sort of activity.
1930
01:44:16.460 --> 01:44:18.979
There's even a talent show at the end of the week,
1931
01:44:19.050 --> 01:44:21.270
which we participated in that.
1932
01:44:21.310 --> 01:44:23.850
This just makes it sound strange, like crazy.
1933
01:44:24.649 --> 01:44:27.729
I have a feeling a lot of people actually will
1934
01:44:27.750 --> 01:44:28.310
relate to this.
1935
01:44:28.810 --> 01:44:32.710
Probably. Probably. My family doesn't do this because we're all like,
1936
01:44:33.149 --> 01:44:33.590
peace out.
1937
01:44:33.609 --> 01:44:36.729
Peace out, Girl Scout. So, and this family reunion has
1938
01:44:36.750 --> 01:44:38.960
been going on since I was a toddler. So this
1939
01:44:38.979 --> 01:44:40.880
is before I was even born. This is like the
1940
01:44:40.939 --> 01:44:43.899
third generation of people that planned this every couple of years.
1941
01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:49.670
So we knew that this game night was coming up.
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And again, I could care less, but there are people
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in my family who get really competitive about it. And
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it was going to be like a, um, like a
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trivia thing, a trivia game. So Ben Brandy and I
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snuck in during lunch, I think when the mess hall
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was empty and we found the questions. Yeah. And there
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was a whole section on like Christmas songs or something
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like that.
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So you had to hum Christmas songs.
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That's what it was, hum songs. Yeah, hum Christmas songs.
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And your team had to guess them.
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And you were in teams of three. And you had
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to hum the songs. And your team had to try.
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And it was one of those where.
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You guys, when I tell you, these were Christmas songs,
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but they were old. Like, because again, this is for
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like multi-generational group.
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This was the way where you'd like, you have one
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minute in the most, the more songs you get, like
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once you get them, boom, boom, boom. Like you're trying
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to get as many songs in that minute.
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Yep.
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As you can go.
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And the only thing you can do. We hadn't heard,
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heard of, we hadn't heard of any of these songs
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and there's no internet service.
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Right.
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So we couldn't even look.
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I think we did look up some of them.
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So we decide we're going to come up with hand
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gestures and body gestures and just kind of hum random things.
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So we stole the answer sheet and we studied it.
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We spent hours memorizing.
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We spent the whole afternoon doing it.
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Memorizing. And there was one song that I swear was amazing.
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I thought that someone put that in as a joke.
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What was it called?
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Steppin' into Christmas.
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Steppin' into Christmas.
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Steppin' into Christmas. Steppin' into Christmas. And here's the thing.
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None of us had ever heard it.
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No one has heard that song.
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So I think that was one we did have to
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look up. Yeah.
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So we came up with hand gestures and body gestures
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for us to memorize these songs. And stepping into Christmas,
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for some reason, is like the one that we can remember.
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And it was like, I think you had to.
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I got it.
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Ben pulled it up. And as soon as he pulled up,
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he starts laughing so hard that he can't even hum it.
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And he is just stepping his leg.
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I'm just pounding my foot on the ground. And Brandy
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loses it. Starts laughing and screams, step it into Christmas.
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And that's when your family knew that we cheated. Yes,
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you're right.
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You guys would have known that by just that.
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Your cousin.
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Oh, Jody.
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Jody lost her crap and just started yelling at us.
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All of Jody's family is highly competitive.
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They're so competitive.
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They're super competitive. And so, yeah. And if they listen
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to this, they're finding out just now for the first time.
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Oh, we cheated so bad.
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Yeah. But we were like, I don't know what you're
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talking about. Everyone knows Steppin' Into Christmas. And I don't know.
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Still to this day, whenever we're all together, one, me, Ben,
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or Brandy will just.
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Start stepping into Christmas. Start pounding our foot.
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And I had never heard that song before. And then
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only a few years ago, it came on the radio
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or something.
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But hey, we won.
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We did. You guys, we won.
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So cheating, cheaters do win.
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The best for i'm glad that we won but i'm
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also glad that we won and made other people mad
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that we won because i love playing.
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Jokes on people i just remember how Pissed. Jodi got.
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Jodi was.
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When I started laughing and doing that and Brandy could
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barely get the words out. You lost it. I couldn't.
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You couldn't even get anything out.
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It's one of those moments in life where you are
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laughing so hard that you can't breathe. You've got a
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headache afterwards. Like.
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I don't even think I hummed anything.
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No, I think it was just like.
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I just started pounding my foot and Brandy's. views out
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stepping into Christmas and Jody starts freaking out that we
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were cheating.
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No way you guys. And I was like, how can
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you cheat to this game? I don't know where we
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found it. It was an accident. I think we were
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cleaning up from lunch or something and we found it.
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The answers we weren't supposed to. It was we weren't
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supposed to find them. And so there was no one
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thought that there was a world where we had found
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the answer.
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It was awesome.
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But So from now.
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On, everyone... Cheaters do prosper.
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Cheaters do prosper, especially around Christmas time.
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That's our Christmas story.
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That's our summertime Christmas story that stepping into Christmas is
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now one of our favorite.
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Next time you hear stepping into Christmas, just think of
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me pounding my foot.
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Yeah. Don't ever play trivia with me and Ben because, well,
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I will say if you're not highly competitive, I don't care.
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I'll lose. I care less to lose. It does not
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bother me.
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If you are weirdly competitive and I know about it,
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I will do everything I can.
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And I do want to beat you just to piss
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you off. All right, guys. Hey, go be kind.
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Go be kind. Do something nice. And join us again
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next week when Ben and I recap another episode of
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Unsolved Mysteries.
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Bye.