661. Before You Give Up on Your Health: The Missing Link to Joy, Healing & Health

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The game that we get to play in the work with the psychedelics in a therapeutic sense is to be like, what?
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Let me bring all of this into the forefront, into the awareness so that I can pick and choose, that I can have autonomy to decide how I show up in the world, right?
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To stand on my own two feet in a way that is actually me.
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Now, let's get into today's episode.
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So.
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So this episode is going to get very, very personal, but I want to give you a kind of an introduction here first.
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So you may have heard a previous episode I did, episode number 652, where I say I healed more in six hours than in decades.
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The healing conversation everyone with a pulse needs to hear.
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Now this kind of expands on that.
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So that conversation was with...
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Mike Keller, and he was one of my facilitators during one of my plant medicine journeys.
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Kristen, who we're going to talk to today, was my other facilitator in my second career.
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plant medicine journey.
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So I had two different experiences, male and female, and they each produced different results.
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I mean, they were totally different experiences.
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So I wanted to dive into my work with Kristen and what came up during that session, because I truly believe this is something transformational.
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And I'm naming it, you know, everyone with a pulse needs to hear it, or if you are giving up on your health, this really is the missing link to
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to healing, to joy, to getting back your power.
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It really, really is.
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But it's important that we lay the groundwork first.
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I don't want you to know who I'm actually talking to.
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Kristen, just a dear, dear friend, Kristen Weitzel, dear friend of mine, colleague, I was so blessed to be able to work with her
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So she is a facilitator of psychedelic-assisted therapy.
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And she uses IFS parts work, somatic integration, trauma-informed regulation, and ceremonial support.
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Because what you're doing in a plant medicine journey is a ceremony of sorts.
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You are going deep inside of you.
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And you're going to hear more on the episode.
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I certainly can't do it justice in an introduction.
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But it really is a beautiful experience, an up-leveling experience.
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It's just incredible.
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So Kristen is a breathwork expert.
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She's an integration specialist.
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She's a great person.
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She works at that intersection of nervous system science and just transformational deep work for lasting change, lasting change.
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And her approach really does pair together this physiological grounding with this genuine reverence for your spirit, for the inner terrain workings of your body.
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And she really dives into helping high performers, athletes, and just seekers of up-level health, up-level life experience experience.
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deep, lasting change.
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I mean, that's the only way I can describe this properly.
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It's like I'm searching for words to describe the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
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How can you put it into words?
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How can you?
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Just listen to this episode with an open mind.
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If you've done a psychedelic journey before, a plant medicine journey before, listen to this with an open mind again, because you might want to work with Kristen.
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I had an incredible experience.
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And you're going to learn more about my experience and what came up.
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And if you have not yet gone into the world of plant medicine and
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If you're curious, if you're resistant, I want you to listen to this episode as well.
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Because I get into the science with Kristen and we break down, how can it help your health?
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How can it help your life?
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How can it help you deal with things that you don't even realize are coming into the picture now?
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Affecting your progress, affecting your health, affecting your joy, affecting your quality of life.
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For me, this was transformational.
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And that's why I want to share it with you.
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Because if I can help unlock your potential, if I can help you move to the next level, if someone would have sat down with me and told me, listen, you need to do this for yourself.
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This isn't just...
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recreational drug use.
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It's not playing around with mushrooms.
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It's an experience, a deep, transformative experience.
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That's all I can say in this beautiful introduction.
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You just have to listen.
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Have at it.
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Let's go.
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Okay, Kristen, so we're getting real real today, and the audience is going to hear a lot of me.
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I feel like I'm going to crack my heart and soul open and dump it out on this recording, but I told you right before we started, I wanted to be open and honest because I want my listeners to be able to hear and feel what's going on.
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the power of what you do for people and literally how you can bring us to a whole different level.
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I don't even want to say the word consciousness because that's almost a little too woo for people.
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That you can bring us to a whole new level of understanding who we are in this world, why certain shitty things have happened to us or for us as a reframe,
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And really how to, and I'm going to just summarize it this way, how to not be controlled by the trauma that you've experienced because we've all experienced it and it's totally possible to move through this world differently.
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in a joyful state, in a healthy state, have a new perspective on life, and uplevel your health all at the same time.
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Like it literally is possible.
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So that's my lead in.
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You know, that's kind of introducing the audience as to what we're going to talk about to where they're going, okay, I'm going to keep listening.
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What the hell is Dr. Amy talking about?
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So Kristen, welcome to the show.
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And thank you for being here so that we can have this open and honest conversation and be able to help other people that really need this.
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Yeah, awesome.
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I'm so glad to be here.
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And I think more and more as people like you and me speak about this, we gather, we sort of like find the others, right?
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There's a lot of the conversation around psychedelics in general, plant medicine in general, heart opening medicine, as well as like health optimization tools that are more fringe and
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that aren't getting discussed often enough.
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And I know, you know, on my show I started talking and being very open about this and the work I'm doing.
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Like I said, when I'm gonna start doing this kind of facilitation, my family is all gonna know, I'm gonna have the conversations with them and be really clear, then open about how beautiful it is to help people heal themselves.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Well, I want to start with how you got into the world of plant medicine because you've been on the show before.
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People can go back.
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We'll link to that episode down below so they can hear your first interview.
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And you and I have been friends forever.
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We've been in this health space together for a long time.
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What was it in your life that made that transition for you to say, I need to start using psychedelics or plant medicine?
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with my clients because I see the potential here.
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I see the help that it can bring.
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Yeah, that's a great question.
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And I would say that I've worked in nervous system regulation with breathwork and cold exposure, and more recently even heat therapy, and a lot of sort of health optimization biohacking tools for 15 plus years, and coaching people around nutrition, all the things.
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And I really had a beautiful opportunity, probably nine years ago now, to start working in some plat medicine or psychedelic circles where I was bringing breathwork, I was coming and being in service.
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I was not dosing people, bringing any of the medicines,
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But as being in service in circles where I could bring breath work, I brought cold exposure, not while people are in medicine, but if it was like a long weekend, that would be like the days in between and help people regulate the nervous systems through it so that they could sort of face what they needed to face about themselves and feel into their feelings in a way that felt safe.
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And I love doing that work.
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And sometimes I was like cooking meals or like cleaning puke buckets, like, you know, whatever it might be, right?
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You're just supporting the whole group that's there.
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And I really continue to like love that work and grow and see people transform.
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And I always thought I'm never going to be the person who is the medicine woman.
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I'm just not with some medicine specifically.
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They're very reverent.
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Like we talk about ayahuasca or something.
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I think it's like.
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I'd need to go down to the Amazon and study with some shaman for 10 years or just to really get a full understanding of the reverence of that medicine.
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And so I was cautious and I would say a little bit reserved around it.
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Also, you know, you're navigating other things in regulation.
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But a couple of years ago, I had a really the dark night of the soul thing showed up for me.
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I always used to say, I'm not that girl who's like I went from mess to masterpiece.
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I don't have something like you have this beautiful story about your rise as a phoenix from the ashes and all the things you learned and the way you became a doctor and all of this.
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And.
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how you help so many people came from this lived experience of wow, I had this challenge and then I wanted to help people through it.
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And I always would say, I don't have that story.
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I'm just here to help people.
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I'm like little did I know, of course, be careful what you wish for.
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Then I had a really big breakdown, I would say.
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Mental, emotional in the sense that I went from being relatively alpha and organized and not worrying so much about other people or what they thought to like highly anxious, challenged in social situations, really depressed, crying every day,
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for probably like 12 to 14 months.
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And it was navigating a lot of grief for my father's passing from a breakup, a whole bunch of things that transformed me.
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And people recommended to me a few times, you need to go try psychedelic therapy.
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And after two or three recommendations and knowing that I had every other tool in my toolkit, I had cold, I had breath, I had all these things, I could eat clean, I could, you know, try to transform, I could supplement.
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I just, I couldn't
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I couldn't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Right.
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And it was it was to speak my truth.
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Like I had a long term ex.
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His name is Matt.
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And he set up a phone thread and he asked me first for permission, but said, I just feel like I'm worried about you every day.
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I'd like to set up a small text group on WhatsApp of all your friends so that we can check in with each other that someone's checked in with you.
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Right.
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Because I had a bit of suicidal ideation and.
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It's a very scary time.
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And so I finally took the recommendation of some two or three people recommended the same practitioner.
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And I took the recommendation and went and had an MDMA and psilocybin mixed session with a psychedelic therapist.
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And it was the first time that I saw a light at the end of the tunnel in a year, year and a half.
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And it wasn't like the silver bullet that made me think, okay, everything's gonna be fine.
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But it gave me the ability to be able to get out of bed and to do the work and to feel into that integration period to say, how do I wanna change and what am I doing in my life?
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And I have some hope that's come back
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And in that whole course of things, I think the biggest thing was me figuring out how to, in the midst of that journey, I had a moment of clarity.
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I would almost say sobriety, although you're in an altered state where I said to the person who was my psychedelic therapist, you have to teach me how to do this.
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I can feel right now the way my nervous system just settled, how it hasn't in many, many months or has rarely done.
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And I have all these other tools and the underpinning to support people in this way.
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And I knew I had gone through the Condor approach used to be this course that you could learn how to do facilitation, trauma informed, all these things.
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And a lot of plant medicine facilitation and facilitators in that group.
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I had been through that.
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And I, you know, it's like the universe plays the grand joke on you that you go through these things and then they all kind of transferable skills.
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So I knew that the headcount of people who needed support versus the therapists that were available, psychedelic facilitators and otherwise, breathwork coaches, et cetera, that it was just way out of whack.
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And there's just not enough people to serve the population that's challenged with so many mental health conditions and things going on.
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And it was like in that moment that I thought,
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And I want to get out in the world.
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And if someone's going to help someone heal themselves, I want to be able to be a person who's really highly responsible and concerned about safety and can get to people who might have reservations about doing this work so that I can help cultivate their own healing for them.
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Right.
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And so that's the shortest story I could tell you about it.
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But it was a pretty profound experience because I just knew in that moment that automatically I was like, oh, I'm equipped now.
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I have all the tools.
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Right.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Well, and it's the that that last sentence that you just said, the people who have the reservations about doing this work, that's really who I want to speak to today.
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Because, you know, people who have thought about it, who have kind of toyed around with it, maybe started looking into it, they're going to hear this message anyways, and they're going to hear the benefits.
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They're going to hear your story.
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They're going to hear my story.
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And truthfully, I mean, I'll say it right now.
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I believe that every single person breathing needs to do this work because there's not a single human on this planet over the age of, I don't know, at least we'll call it over the age of 18 as an adult.
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who hasn't had something happen to them that they are trying to process.
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It could have been the death of a parent, abusive childhood, various adverse childhood events.
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It could be a relationship that you enter into, a bad marriage, whatever it is, these different things.
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impact us.
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And like you even said, it can even go back generations.
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Ancestral trauma, being passed down.
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Would your mom go through?
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Would your grandma go through?
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What is history passed down to you as trauma?
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So when I say everyone that is breathing right now needs to do this work, I'm not kidding.
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But I also realize that there's resistance because this is new.
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This is definitely new
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in our world of the United States.
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It just recently became legal in a few states, I believe, although RFK is really working hard at getting psychedelic plant medicine legalized because of the tremendous...
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help that it gives to so many people.
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We're seeing it, especially in veterans with PTSD, in addictions.
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I mean, across the board, we're seeing benefits and fast benefits, not years of talk therapy, fast benefits.
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But that's who I really want to speak to today are those people in resistance to doing this work.
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And I'm hoping that they're not going to press stop yet.
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Keep listening because we're talking to you and we're going to kind of unpack this for you so that you can see all of the benefits involved in this work.
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So I appreciate you sharing your own resistance because, of course, I have it too, right?
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I think everybody does.
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They think a couple of different things.
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Number one, just like you said, I didn't really have any big T's.
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I don't really have that much to work through.
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So is this really going to help me?
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Is it really going to help me?
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So let's just kind of start there of what you see with different people that come to you with like, you know, Kristen, I'm kind of interested here, but I don't have any big T to unpack.
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So there's a lot there.
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So psychedelic is loosely translated as like soul or mind manifesting, which I think it gives just some clue into the way that we shift or the transformation that's possible.
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And a lot of this is around patterning.
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When we talk about the things that we have in our developmental years, and this is like not about any shame or blame on anyone, as you know.
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But it's important to sort of note, I think also, like I have a pretty strong opinion that like we talk about you hear people talk about big T, little T trauma.
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And I say this thing and again, I want to be like trauma informed when I say it, because we're all going to have an opinion on this.
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But like if you were three years old in the sandbox and someone hit you in the face of the red shovel.
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like as you're playing, but hit you hard and it really affected you.
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And that's the first time something like that's happened.
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And you formulated this notion in your mind that maybe a red shovel equals pain or equals some kind of, you know, detrimental thing to your body, or you're a guy who was off at the Vietnam War and saw somebody getting blown up.
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It's hard for us to actually really say like, which one of those is worse.
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I understand that you and I and people listening are going to probably say, well, somebody goes off to war and there's like there's perhaps.
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OK, but like that three year old small developmental mind that's still growing, that's still learning, that hasn't had a lot of patterning set into place, who doesn't understand like, you know, pain in that way or like what, you know, is only looking to be safe in their nervous system.
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That trauma can be just as impactful to them every time they see a red shovel for the rest of their life.
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They're like, oh.
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I don't know what's going on, but I have a reaction to it, right?
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Because the body has created, the mind has created this pattern around this thing.
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And so the big T, little T trauma to me is not like the important thing.
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I just don't, I think we all have trauma.
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When I first went to an EMDR therapist, when I was having all the challenges I was having, the first thing she said was like,
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First question day one, after she made me make a list of all my traumatic events in my life, she said, I want to ask you the question, do you think that you have trauma?
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And I was like, well, I don't know.
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Like, you made me make a list.
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So I made a list of things.
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It's not like anyone held me down and burned me with cigarettes.
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Like, that's just what I said.
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It was like not to anyone who's navigated that empathy.
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But I felt like I had a pretty good upbringing and all these things.
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And also, I have trauma.
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I had trauma.
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I continue to work on the trauma and the response that my body had.
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During developmental years, even some of the smaller things can become larger things to us.
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And they can pattern us into behaviors that serve us in that moment and don't serve us down the road.
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So when people are sort of resistant to this or feeling like, well, I don't have trauma or I don't, I'm not here to say wave your trauma flag.
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But just understanding that there are things that can be activated in your body and even patterns that are out of your awareness because you've just been doing them since you could remember that may not be serving you.
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They might be shadows in some instances, right?
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And there'll be things to process for people.
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So that they can feel like they can continue to live into a thriving life.
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You know, a lot of these things come up later in life as we start to be.
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I don't sit in session with people and always say, tell me about something that happened when you were six.
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But the thing that happened when they were six is what comes up.
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And it comes up voluntarily.
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So I think that that's important to bring up here, too, because I know just even from my husband, who definitely needs to do this work, but has massive resistance.
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One of his things is I don't want to talk about and rehash things.
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things that have happened to me in the past.
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And that's essentially what you do when you go see a therapist.
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You go week after week after week for an hour at a time, and you vomit all of this past stuff that you've gone through.
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And basically, you're just talking about it and reliving it.
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You're not actually changing the wiring in your brain that occurred during that time or that occurred at the age of three or five or seven that created those patterns.
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you're just rehashing it.
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And that's not it.
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When you bring up something during a plant medicine journey, it's because you and your body want to bring it up.
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Am I saying that correctly?
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There's a lot of conversation right now about where we're storing the information.
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Is it in our cells?
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Is it in our brain?
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Is it a lot of it's in our nervous system?
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I mean, we can say the body keeps score, the body doesn't keep score.
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We can argue about all the things.
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I get a chance to sit with people and we can just see in over the course of different styles of therapy being used on people, we can see that people hold on to things that haven't been fully processed by the brain, fully filed away in a way that feels like they're at a level.
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If you're looking at a one to 10 that they're like, hey, that's a zero or one for me and how hot or spicy it might feel in my nervous system or from a safety perspective.
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And we talk a lot about the word safety.
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I don't feel unsafe.
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It's like not about unsafe.
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It's about your nervous system being able to be downregulated or regulated enough that you can be the fullest expression of yourself.
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Because, like, quite frankly, for anyone who's listening, this is what we are all waiting from you to get from you, which is for you to be fully yourself.
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And I recently worked with a woman and quite often these nuggets of beautiful information come out in ceremony or in session.
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And she was like, if everybody would just be who they are, then everybody would get exactly what they need.
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But we're busy with all the constructs, society, environment, parental structures, caregivers, all these things has put on us.
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And so it's like when the resistance comes up, which it definitely comes up for lots of humans, why do I need to go back to 40 years?
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Why do I need to?
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It's not affecting me.
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But it's almost silly to say that these things aren't affecting you because positively or negatively, your caregivers, the way you've been brought up, environment, and all of that is going to affect the person you become, right?
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It's like nature and nurture.
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We just know there's so many things that affect us.
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peeling back the curtain.
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And there's research that my friend, Dr. Richard did around like conscious connected breathing and talk therapy.
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And it's never to slight talk therapists, but I went to talk there was for 15 years and I loved her.
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I got really close with her, learned a lot about myself.
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And if I had known and trusted these medicines back then, it is just a shorter distance between A and B.
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It is not...
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a shortcut, but it is a shorter distance.
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It's much more efficient and effective.
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And also for anyone who's listening to just remind everyone, this is not recreational use.
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This is therapeutic use with a
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facilitator or clinician, some of those are licensed, some of those are underground.
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It's people who have been trained and understand how to work with trauma.
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It's people who have understanding of nervous system regulation.
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This isn't like you at a festival or birthday party with 40 of your friends just raging.
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This is about like clear intention and clear integration and doing it in a portal with someone who understands how to hold that container, as we call it a container, but in a portal where you're like actually held.
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using a medicine like the medicine I lead with is MDMA for people who aren't contraindicated, using a medicine like that, that is actually going to reduce our fear center so we can really talk about those things and process them so we don't have to talk about them for the next 15 years.
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Yeah, it's a huge shortcut or shortening of the distance because it literally can be a couple six-hour sessions and you've now dealt with 15 years of talk therapy.
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I mean, it really is that powerful.
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Now, before we go into kind of my experience today.
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I want to, you mentioned nervous system regulation.
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And for people that might be listening that they don't even know how to tune into their own nervous system to kind of see where they're at, can you go through, I don't even know if there is a checklist or anything, but is there something we can tell people or have them tune in to see if their nervous system is dysregulated?
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Yeah, I mean, I think that people can feel into that in some way to start to get some self-awareness and understanding by doing like a body scan or a daily check-in.
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And that requires you to be able to find some stillness and stillness I recognize even for me, but it's one of the hardest things for us to create in our day-to-day living.
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So finding some stillness, really checking in a body scan is exactly what it sounds like.
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It doesn't have to be more difficult.
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It's like starting from your toes, going all the way to the top of your head, just taking three to five minutes and slowly scanning your body to see where you are and what is your state.
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And by state, I mean, do you feel hot or cold?
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It could be that simple.
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Do you feel emotions in any way, shape or form coming up?
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Maybe you're like giddy and nervous and excited.
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It's the first day of your graduate program.
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had a really terrible date last night and you feel disappointed because you had hoped it had gone better.
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Or maybe you're feeling tender because you had a fight with your mother on the phone the day before or the morning of or whatever.
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Really just noticing and like, and this is a thing, like I have had clients that say, well, I don't feel my feelings.
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I don't know, feelings or whatever.
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And it's like, cool, you can bypass and avoid that as long as you want.
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But if any of us on this planet are here being like, I don't feel my feelings, it's just sort of silly at this point.
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Like, they're coming out in some way, right?
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You may be able to hold them back or be avoidant or you may be able to say, look, I need to keep this out of my work container.
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I'm not going to sit and cry at my desk.
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But finding some time to be able to process and understand how you feel and what your state is.
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Your state is like, what are your thoughts every day, right?
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Dispenza tells us 90% of the same thoughts are the thoughts we're thinking every single day over and over because our brain and our nervous system is just trying to keep things status quo.
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But we don't want to keep things status quo.
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We want to like grow and expand and take calculated risks in order to be our best, highest version of ourselves.
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And so body scanning is really helpful.
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Orienting yourself, which is a sort of trauma-informed exercise where if you're feeling upregulated or nervous or anxious, I'm sure there's a lot of people that are listening that are navigating some anxiousness in the morning, thinking about the whole day ahead or not a lot of sleep from their kids or what have you.
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If you're navigating anxiousness, if you're navigating depression, knowing that you can take a moment to just sort of orient yourself to your space,
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smell what you can smell, look at the objects around the room.
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Our eyes are the part of the brain that's outside of the head.
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And the more that we can sort of widen our gaze and get some stillness and take in some colors, sounds, light, noise, anything, smells, tastes even, the more we can bring ourself to the present moment, because that's what this is about, the more we can recognize we're not being chased by a lion.
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It's not a thousand years ago.
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We hopefully have a roof
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And from that place, all you can do is really breathe, right?
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You're going to naturally be breathing.
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And so breathing in a way that downregulates you, like nasal breathing in and out through the nose, you can actually shift your state in a few minutes.
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But scanning your body and checking in where you're at and also being like, cool, I'm really angry today.
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I'm feeling just naming it will take it down a notch.
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Just so you're like naming it, aware of it, being with it and letting it be a thing that is, OK, this is in me.
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How do I just make sure that when I respond to anything around me, I'm taking whatever moment of pause I can to not try to color it with that lens.
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And really recognizing that those feelings, like the buzzing feelings, the heat, the cold, the different sensations that you're having in your body, that is your nervous system.
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That is your nervous system responding and responding to the thoughts that you have that are almost running underneath the surface that you might not even be aware of.
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So taking that pause and scanning your body allows you to connect to what's actually going on inside your body instead of staying out here all the time.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So let's go in.
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So I'll start sharing.
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You had mentioned before about trauma and sometimes you go through things.
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And I'm especially talking to my type A people out there, all the ladies that operate as an apex person.
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basically operating in your masculine all the time.
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We can unpack what masculine and feminine means, but you know who you are.
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You know, you're drivers, you're focused, you have armor on that nothing can touch you because you're just plowing through life.
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And the reality is that a lot of that drive that you have is fueled by shit that you really got to deal with.
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And you will be a much better leader, a much better driver, more productive in a calmer sense and more healthy if you do the work.
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So I did a full journey with Kristen.
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Just amazing.
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I mean, just the whole experience and all of you listening can tell how...
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Just grounded and authentic and real Kristen is.
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Now, I've known her for a while, but another one of my friends did a full package and has been working with Kristen for a while.
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And one of the things that she said to me is, Kristen brings the beautiful balance of masculine and feminine.
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And what she meant by that is that you, Kristen, you bring the love.
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And I experienced this, so now I know what she's talking about.
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You bring the love and the care in this motherly, I am going to take care of you.
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I'm going to be here for you.
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I'm going to hold you.
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We're going to do this together.
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But at the same time, I'm not going to let you bullshit yourself.
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And you bring in that masculine to go, come on now.
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No, let's go.
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Let's get deeper.
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Or let's talk about that.
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Nope.
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Go deep.
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Go a little bit.
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Tell me more.
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And you are literally the perfect guide, the perfect guide.
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So during our journey,
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Many different things came up.
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But one of the things that you were talking about earlier about having even like a visceral response, I remember you telling me when you were talking about this part in your life, your body started shaking.
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Like you saw me actually start like having a full body response to what I was talking about.
409
00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:18.111
And what I was sharing was, and this is very personal, but I've said this before on the show.
410
00:31:18.831 --> 00:31:21.674
that I literally watched my dad die in front of me.
411
00:31:21.754 --> 00:31:24.136
Now, he's still with us today, but he still died.
412
00:31:24.436 --> 00:31:38.568
So the story was when he was going through chemotherapy, he had a heavy dose of chemo that we believe caused this tumor necrosis, this tumor breakdown of the cancer, flooded his body.
413
00:31:39.028 --> 00:31:45.114
And while I was there present with him, literally saw him have a heart attack, heard him fall.
414
00:31:46.234 --> 00:31:51.095
rushed in the bathroom, calling 911, saw him on the ground, eyes open, mouth open.
415
00:31:51.115 --> 00:31:51.715
He was gone.
416
00:31:52.055 --> 00:31:55.836
Like he was literally dead for however long.
417
00:31:56.516 --> 00:31:58.836
So I start doing CPR compressions.
418
00:31:58.936 --> 00:32:02.457
And like talking about you're checking in with your nervous system.
419
00:32:02.957 --> 00:32:09.979
If you're really listening to my voice right now, you're hearing it shake because my nervous system is responding to telling the story.
420
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:11.859
So my throat is tight.
421
00:32:11.879 --> 00:32:11.979
Yeah.
422
00:32:12.639 --> 00:32:13.700
My voice is shaking.
423
00:32:13.820 --> 00:32:16.381
Yeah, I'm probably going to tear up a little bit because it's real.
424
00:32:16.842 --> 00:32:19.263
Like, I saw this man die in front of me.
425
00:32:19.763 --> 00:32:23.065
So I literally did CPR on my father to bring him.
426
00:32:23.145 --> 00:32:24.326
Well, I didn't bring him back to life.
427
00:32:24.426 --> 00:32:25.327
I kept his heart going.
428
00:32:25.887 --> 00:32:28.789
I kept oxygen going to the brain until the paramedics could get there.
429
00:32:28.829 --> 00:32:32.131
And then they proceeded to defibrillate him multiple times.
430
00:32:32.771 --> 00:32:35.574
Now, the end of the story is he's with us today.
431
00:32:36.234 --> 00:32:37.215
No brain damage.
432
00:32:37.456 --> 00:32:38.176
He is fine.
433
00:32:38.737 --> 00:32:41.640
But that experience imprinted in me, obviously.
434
00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:48.106
Like I remember afterwards, I couldn't even watch, you know, ER or the pit or anything hospital wise.
435
00:32:48.146 --> 00:32:51.129
If anybody was doing CPR on anybody, I had to turn it off.
436
00:32:51.869 --> 00:32:53.891
So obviously there was PTSD.
437
00:32:54.552 --> 00:32:55.473
Absolutely there was.
438
00:32:56.123 --> 00:33:00.225
Now, I'm going to turn this over to you because I want you to talk freely and openly.
439
00:33:00.245 --> 00:33:01.166
You have my permission.
440
00:33:01.186 --> 00:33:04.027
You know that of how does that tie in?
441
00:33:04.147 --> 00:33:09.530
What does me bringing that up in that session and kind of dealing with it?
442
00:33:10.070 --> 00:33:10.871
How does that help?
443
00:33:11.031 --> 00:33:17.334
Because I know people listening, although it might not be the same story, they're resonating with a story right now.
444
00:33:17.574 --> 00:33:18.535
I know they are.
445
00:33:19.075 --> 00:33:20.356
So, yeah.
446
00:33:20.676 --> 00:33:21.036
Why?
447
00:33:21.236 --> 00:33:22.637
Why even deal with that again?
448
00:33:23.252 --> 00:33:24.713
Yeah, that's a great question, right?
449
00:33:24.753 --> 00:33:26.815
It's like there's a reprocessing that happens.
450
00:33:26.935 --> 00:33:38.064
And what's really beautiful, like Live Time, to watch you speak about that in this situation where you've done so many episodes, so you don't have a lot of nerves around the show or being mic'd, but you're also sharing with your audience something very personal.
451
00:33:38.765 --> 00:33:44.269
And I remember when you brought this up, so it's interesting for me as a facilitator because it came a little bit later in the session
452
00:33:45.010 --> 00:33:53.576
where I was like, because I will be asking as a facilitator, talking to the subconscious mind, saying, are there challenges or stressors or anything that's come up that you'd like to talk about?
453
00:33:53.596 --> 00:34:02.543
So it was a little later in the session, which is not uncommon that some of the bigger things come up later in the session, because the unconscious mind is like just still kind of holding and holding those back.
454
00:34:03.083 --> 00:34:04.563
So it was beautiful that it did come up.
455
00:34:04.904 --> 00:34:13.506
And also it was very matter of fact, even with the medicine, you were like, oh, yeah, there's this thing where like my father died and I like I brought him back to life.
456
00:34:13.566 --> 00:34:14.466
I saved his life kind of.
457
00:34:14.546 --> 00:34:14.846
I don't know.
458
00:34:15.346 --> 00:34:22.288
And I was like, let's pause here for a second and actually talk about that story because you just laid it out in two sentences and sort of like put a period at the end of it.
459
00:34:22.308 --> 00:34:23.688
Like we're not going to talk about that anymore.
460
00:34:23.769 --> 00:34:25.129
Like energetically, it felt that way.
461
00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:29.732
So I felt like that was a pretty big story in your past.
462
00:34:29.852 --> 00:34:31.473
And so I wanted to unpack it a bit more.
463
00:34:31.633 --> 00:34:40.899
And when we were having that sort of unpacking of it, and I don't know how much you were realizing it, but what I did get a chance to see as you were like, I slowed down.
464
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.462
That's an important thing for a facilitator in a moment with a story like that.
465
00:34:45.062 --> 00:34:46.383
That's a very intense story.
466
00:34:46.823 --> 00:34:51.627
We can call it a trauma or not, but it's definitely a traumatic experience, a dramatic experience as well.
467
00:34:52.347 --> 00:34:57.011
And so it's an important thing as a facilitator to know when something like that comes up, like to slow down.
468
00:34:57.552 --> 00:35:01.035
And it's also important for me to slow down and have you slow down.
469
00:35:01.135 --> 00:35:05.759
And I don't necessarily mean tell the story slower, but it's just like take more breaths and.
470
00:35:06.080 --> 00:35:14.965
let the story unfold to be able to tell it in a space that you're actually hearing yourself, that you're actually downregulated enough to begin to process that.
471
00:35:15.545 --> 00:35:29.293
And in that downregulation and that slowing down, there were all these moments of you having microcontractions, which can be a somatic response, some shaking, some things going on, which is a way of your body closing the loop of some of those things that happened.
472
00:35:29.713 --> 00:35:32.994
and how lucky that your father was that you were there, right?
473
00:35:33.094 --> 00:35:37.956
Perhaps the universe just divinely guided you to be there so that he could still be around today.
474
00:35:38.677 --> 00:35:49.561
And going through that processing piece so that you could feel it, so that you weren't completely updated, which when we go through a story at a very quick pace and we're upregulated, we're trying to move through it quickly so we don't have to address it.
475
00:35:50.141 --> 00:35:51.742
And addressing it means like breathing it
476
00:35:52.382 --> 00:36:02.346
feeling it, feeling the emotions that are connected with it, anchoring it so that we're anchoring it into the system as something that's like, oh, do you see that you have these feelings and that you're processing this?
477
00:36:02.366 --> 00:36:09.189
Let me breathe and stay downregulated and anchor the fact that the reframe is like how beautiful it was for you to be there for your father.
478
00:36:09.349 --> 00:36:20.114
And also so that your system can recognize anything like that coming up again doesn't need to be dealt with in the exact same emotional state because guaranteed you jumped into...
479
00:36:20.594 --> 00:36:24.378
Like fixer mode, which thank goodness, like this is the point for everyone who's listening.
480
00:36:24.459 --> 00:36:25.780
We have these parts of us.
481
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.343
Let's just say that there's a part of you called the fixer.
482
00:36:28.984 --> 00:36:36.492
And like that part of your woman is going to be able to like save your dad's life and help and support all these people that you get to work with.
483
00:36:37.213 --> 00:36:41.396
But that other side can potentially have a shadow where the fixer is like, oh, I'm going to fix it.
484
00:36:41.416 --> 00:36:42.037
I'm going to fix it.
485
00:36:42.117 --> 00:36:43.698
I'm not actually going to look at it deeply.
486
00:36:43.718 --> 00:36:44.599
I'm going to fix it.
487
00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:45.119
I'm going to fix it.
488
00:36:45.139 --> 00:36:49.963
I'm going to fix everybody, which, by the way, many people need to be able to begin to do the work themselves.
489
00:36:50.543 --> 00:36:53.145
And you can't always fix everything about everybody.
490
00:36:53.185 --> 00:36:53.365
Right.
491
00:36:53.405 --> 00:37:03.733
As you know, like there's just people that we can support and help, but the people who don't actually have their awareness that they have a challenge or they don't want to be fixed, we can't do anything about it.
492
00:37:04.073 --> 00:37:04.253
Right.
493
00:37:04.534 --> 00:37:07.417
So it gives that it slows down the processing speed.
494
00:37:07.517 --> 00:37:09.399
It gets you to understand that part of you.
495
00:37:09.459 --> 00:37:11.741
It gets you to spend time with that part of you.
496
00:37:11.761 --> 00:37:26.236
That's so important to recognize the superpower of what an incredible practitioner it's made you and what an amazing daughter that no CPR that can show up in the face of of traumatic events and still keep her cool and be in it.
497
00:37:26.256 --> 00:37:26.456
Right.
498
00:37:26.476 --> 00:37:26.697
Right.
499
00:37:27.237 --> 00:37:34.000
And your nervous system was probably upregulated and in a bit of like, OK, well, the fight is here, but the freeze and the flight I'm not going to pay attention to.
500
00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:38.102
I'm going to be here as present and upregulated as I can because this is my dad.
501
00:37:38.122 --> 00:37:38.983
I want to save his life.
502
00:37:39.563 --> 00:37:43.305
And then the other thing that I just got to witness, which if anyone's watching the video, they'll see is.
503
00:37:44.325 --> 00:37:47.666
When you told the story, you slowed down a bit on your own.
504
00:37:48.286 --> 00:37:55.268
You had emotional connection to it because it's your dad and you loved him and you're so grateful and thankful he's still here and that you went through that together.
505
00:37:55.288 --> 00:37:57.089
Like, of course, no one wants that to happen.
506
00:37:57.169 --> 00:38:00.650
But if you're going to go through it, you want him to survive on the other side.
507
00:38:01.390 --> 00:38:07.815
And you had an emotional response that you could speak at that within 90 seconds or so sort of washed through you and then cleared.
508
00:38:08.396 --> 00:38:17.583
And this is what we want to start to feel is instead of the holding or the gripping or the let me get through the story or this is too hard to talk about is to actually just be present with it.
509
00:38:17.903 --> 00:38:20.586
And like let it land and let it shift in your system.
510
00:38:20.606 --> 00:38:27.132
And then it becomes re-pattern in your system, whether we say nervous system, in your brain, and the way that you navigate that.
511
00:38:27.172 --> 00:38:29.974
And then it's not the thing on the back burner that's boiling over.
512
00:38:30.235 --> 00:38:35.760
It's like you have some clarity and perspective in the medicine, especially because your fear centers are lowered.
513
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:37.862
Your amygdala response is about 30% less.
514
00:38:37.902 --> 00:38:38.002
Yeah.
515
00:38:39.303 --> 00:38:47.146
That it isn't as scary to you and you can sort of see it as this like third party and how beautiful it is that you got to be there to go through that.
516
00:38:47.747 --> 00:38:53.189
And also to give yourself, you know, a little bit of love to be like, wow, it was also very hard.
517
00:38:53.589 --> 00:38:55.590
I don't just have to jump to the next thing.
518
00:38:55.670 --> 00:38:55.930
Right.
519
00:38:56.390 --> 00:39:00.492
And to give some love to the fixer that is in you so that you can actually be like, OK, fine.
520
00:39:01.092 --> 00:39:04.814
I want to honor myself and celebrate myself and celebrate my dad and be here now.
521
00:39:05.094 --> 00:39:05.254
Right.
522
00:39:05.274 --> 00:39:10.057
It's again, how do we be present so we're not in our minds about the things that could go wrong?
523
00:39:10.657 --> 00:39:16.000
You know, and it's also a touching story for me because my dad passed away from a heart attack post chemo.
524
00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:17.301
Just the chemo was so hard on him.
525
00:39:17.321 --> 00:39:18.662
He had a heart attack that got him.
526
00:39:18.702 --> 00:39:19.442
And my brother, John.
527
00:39:20.923 --> 00:39:24.184
had to give him CPR till the ambulance came and my dad did not survive.
528
00:39:24.324 --> 00:39:26.644
And my dad was actually gone when my brother found him.
529
00:39:26.664 --> 00:39:27.765
He thinks he was already dead.
530
00:39:28.285 --> 00:39:36.007
But I haven't had the beautiful opportunity, even though I keep asking, to help my youngest brother clear that.
531
00:39:36.607 --> 00:39:39.908
And I know it needs to be cleared because it's such a big event, right?
532
00:39:39.948 --> 00:39:42.749
It's the person who's your caregiver you're trying to resuscitate.
533
00:39:42.909 --> 00:39:46.109
And in my brother's case, it didn't.
534
00:39:46.630 --> 00:39:47.710
My father had already passed.
535
00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:49.631
So it's in there.
536
00:39:49.831 --> 00:39:50.592
It's a memory.
537
00:39:50.812 --> 00:39:52.393
These memories don't go away.
538
00:39:52.593 --> 00:40:04.183
And so what a beautiful opportunity to revisit them in a succinct and efficient way instead of over and over again in a therapy session to really be able to open the lens to say, okay,
539
00:40:04.883 --> 00:40:06.604
How am I manifesting my mind?
540
00:40:06.644 --> 00:40:09.505
And how am I connected to my soul with this thing that happened?
541
00:40:09.545 --> 00:40:13.006
And how can I really look with perspective on all the parts, right?
542
00:40:13.026 --> 00:40:14.927
Without so many of those patterns.
543
00:40:15.487 --> 00:40:17.308
And so it gave you this beautiful opportunity.
544
00:40:17.328 --> 00:40:22.250
It gave me a beautiful opportunity to see in your body, like the shaking is the closing of the loop and the processing.
545
00:40:22.270 --> 00:40:30.093
It doesn't always happen, but it was a sure sign to me that was like parts of that, that were still in you, that you were clearing or reconnecting.
546
00:40:30.113 --> 00:40:31.613
And again, we're not getting rid of it.
547
00:40:31.873 --> 00:40:33.394
We're just integrating it into our,
548
00:40:33.894 --> 00:40:55.478
mind into our patterns into our system so it's not so spicy yeah and wow okay i did not know that about your father and then there was like a crossover story like that like that is that is crazy and yes i do hope that for your brother too because that's that's a lot that's a it's a lot to carry it's a lot to care yeah yeah yeah
549
00:40:56.490 --> 00:40:57.330
Oh, yeah.
550
00:40:57.691 --> 00:40:59.711
So there's so many things there.
551
00:40:59.731 --> 00:41:02.493
I'm not even quite sure which direction I want to go to next.
552
00:41:03.173 --> 00:41:14.117
But I'm thinking to kind of step out of my experience and bring in some of the thoughts that I can almost hear listeners having right now.
553
00:41:14.157 --> 00:41:18.499
So I want to almost like reply to what I know is going on in their mind.
554
00:41:18.999 --> 00:41:25.222
Now, I mean, you just beautifully unpacked what I dealt with and explain that.
555
00:41:25.842 --> 00:41:35.375
in such a perfect way, because I think people can relate to the whole concept of we're not talking about wiping out your past.
556
00:41:35.856 --> 00:41:37.458
We're not talking about forgetting.
557
00:41:37.478 --> 00:41:39.761
We're not talking about minimizing.
558
00:41:39.781 --> 00:41:40.962
We're not talking about...
559
00:41:41.523 --> 00:41:54.054
Pushing it down because essentially that's what we have been doing is pushing those events that have hurt us, that have traumatized us, that have been hard, just hard in life, whatever.
560
00:41:54.634 --> 00:42:03.682
We tend to just push it down and push it aside and not deal with it because we don't want to or it's unimportant or we have different coping mechanisms.
561
00:42:04.122 --> 00:42:11.347
Can you talk to, based on the clients that you've worked with, can you talk to what you see on a health perspective?
562
00:42:11.367 --> 00:42:27.697
Because obviously, I mean, you and I have both been in this health space forever and we know the different biochemical effects that stress, trauma, whatever repressed things can have on a health level, on a body level.
563
00:42:27.717 --> 00:42:27.977
Yeah.
564
00:42:28.377 --> 00:42:32.121
Now, I know, I mean, just even before I hand it totally over to you, I'll just share this.
565
00:42:32.682 --> 00:42:47.096
I referred two women to you in the past like six months, both of them in a, we'll say a negative co-relationship and both of them have health issues.
566
00:42:47.817 --> 00:42:58.303
whether it's debilitating, I mean, flattened out on your back pain, or whether it's thyroid and hormone conditions that I'm seeing in the other.
567
00:42:58.923 --> 00:43:05.447
How do you see this work overlap with health and longevity?
568
00:43:06.067 --> 00:43:09.411
Yeah, I mean, I think what we resist persists, right?
569
00:43:09.431 --> 00:43:20.641
We hear this and it's like in every in a greeting card or on a magnet somewhere, a license plate bumper, but it's like what we resist persists and we're holding around actions and things that have happened in our lives.
570
00:43:21.422 --> 00:43:27.628
so much so that there is a charge in the nervous system, an upregulation around it, a worry even.
571
00:43:28.328 --> 00:43:30.610
And that's like creating more and more stress, right?
572
00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:33.213
Even at a low level, it's like an additional micro stressor.
573
00:43:33.293 --> 00:43:34.153
It's a worry.
574
00:43:34.213 --> 00:43:41.540
It's why I think sometimes when people work in medicine spaces and then the next day they like look a little younger and a little bit like brighter and a little bit more grounded because they're
575
00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:50.707
nervous system is actually downregulated in a place where they're like, okay, I can see how I was like wrapped around the axle, like my grandmother used to say, but wrapped around the axle about that thing.
576
00:43:50.747 --> 00:43:53.589
And I can just like, I need to not white knuckle it, right?
577
00:43:53.609 --> 00:43:57.032
We're like holding on to our hurdy poos, we're holding on to the things that are
578
00:43:57.592 --> 00:43:58.233
coming up for us.
579
00:43:58.273 --> 00:44:02.678
And then it starts to affect our health because we are like, yeah, we're holding it in our jaw.
580
00:44:02.698 --> 00:44:10.388
We're holding it in parts of our body or like sad all the time instead of actually being able to be present and a bit more regulated in general.
581
00:44:10.668 --> 00:44:10.929
Right.
582
00:44:11.089 --> 00:44:13.091
And that clearly affects our health.
583
00:44:13.111 --> 00:44:15.534
We know how much stress affects our health.
584
00:44:16.315 --> 00:44:22.558
And so shifting those things in your mind and shifting the way that you're thinking every day can actually shift the state of your being.
585
00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:34.004
You know, Louise Hay was one of the earlier people to start correlating things that happen in the body to different, you know, components of mental health or, you know, how we think and feel about ourselves.
586
00:44:34.604 --> 00:44:39.927
And whether you believe fully in her work or not, we see this happen quite often where people are beginning to sort of clarify.
587
00:44:40.047 --> 00:44:41.127
clear stories.
588
00:44:41.827 --> 00:44:46.588
And then those stories are, as they clear the stories, they're clearing the health condition, right?
589
00:44:46.628 --> 00:44:49.749
And it's like, this all comes down to the power of belief, right?
590
00:44:49.769 --> 00:44:51.009
We are what we believe we are.
591
00:44:51.629 --> 00:44:59.271
And the more that I work in these spaces with different people, and the more that I become a little bit of a psychonaut, I'm always working in the therapeutic space if someone works with me.
592
00:44:59.871 --> 00:45:04.932
But the more that I work with these different medicines, the more that I can really see that we are what we believe we are.
593
00:45:05.612 --> 00:45:12.854
And there's no way to drive that point home to a listener like any more deeply than saying that it's our thoughts become the things.
594
00:45:13.455 --> 00:45:13.635
Right.
595
00:45:13.675 --> 00:45:20.997
We can course correct our future to the future that we want to the future that our higher self is calling in for us if we think differently.
596
00:45:21.077 --> 00:45:22.778
And that is really hard to do.
597
00:45:22.818 --> 00:45:25.839
It's simple to say it's really hard to do to think differently about ourselves.
598
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:34.926
I see with women a lot, them talking shit to themselves in the mirror all the time and negative self-talk and changing those thought patterns every single day can be challenging.
599
00:45:34.966 --> 00:45:36.347
And also it is possible.
600
00:45:36.787 --> 00:45:40.830
I see men come with so many levels of shame and masked feelings.
601
00:45:41.491 --> 00:45:47.656
And yeah, like wanting to hold the frame, like a masculine energy and whatever gender, whatever sexual expression you want is great.
602
00:45:47.676 --> 00:45:49.958
But holding a masculine frame, if you're doing more of that.
603
00:45:50.418 --> 00:45:54.302
The feminine energy tends to be like the picture or the art inside the frame.
604
00:45:54.822 --> 00:46:02.469
And I see so many men show up in relationships that are like holding the frame for a family, a job or whatever they might be doing.
605
00:46:02.529 --> 00:46:04.591
And they're feeling like I'm not getting any acknowledgement.
606
00:46:04.791 --> 00:46:05.532
I have a lot of like.
607
00:46:06.092 --> 00:46:16.574
shame around the fact that I need to even have that acknowledgement and just selling themselves down the river because they're like that not good enoughness that spans beyond any gender that we all show up with.
608
00:46:16.614 --> 00:46:17.574
Like, I'm not good enough.
609
00:46:17.614 --> 00:46:17.895
Why?
610
00:46:18.255 --> 00:46:19.335
My self-worth is low.
611
00:46:19.635 --> 00:46:22.515
Will anyone notice that I actually don't know what I'm doing?
612
00:46:22.636 --> 00:46:25.576
All of this stuff, like I can't express enough.
613
00:46:25.596 --> 00:46:29.417
There's no way to say it enough that all of that is bullshit.
614
00:46:29.997 --> 00:46:33.300
I'm not saying that it isn't something that we all have to deal with.
615
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:33.900
We do.
616
00:46:34.341 --> 00:46:37.503
And also, it's not easy to just stop doing that.
617
00:46:37.903 --> 00:46:42.787
But the reality is I get to see people before, during, after, and their transformation.
618
00:46:42.887 --> 00:46:51.514
And I've worked enough on myself over time that it's like every single one of us is so special and beautiful and connected and communicates.
619
00:46:51.714 --> 00:46:54.737
And we're all doing the best we can at all times, right?
620
00:46:54.757 --> 00:46:58.300
It doesn't mean that there haven't been people with challenges who have behaved badly, but we're...
621
00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:01.682
There's so much shit that each one of us has.
622
00:47:01.742 --> 00:47:03.463
It's like the light inside of us.
623
00:47:03.583 --> 00:47:13.069
And without trying to sound woo, but our maximum capacity to bring joy to ourselves and then the world by supporting other people in our communities and all this.
624
00:47:13.149 --> 00:47:20.013
And we're so fucking bogged down by the ropes that bind us that are like, I can't, I won't, I'm not good enough.
625
00:47:20.333 --> 00:47:22.495
What happens if that person sees me do this thing?
626
00:47:22.955 --> 00:47:25.777
And it's like, we got one time around in this specific human.
627
00:47:25.837 --> 00:47:27.138
I can't tell you what happens after.
628
00:47:27.758 --> 00:47:28.899
But like, what are we doing?
629
00:47:29.179 --> 00:47:32.181
Just selling ourselves short over and over and over again.
630
00:47:32.281 --> 00:47:47.071
And I think working with these medicines in a respectful and reverent way begins to show you more and more of the universal message, whether it's the mycelium forest of the mushrooms or you're working with something that's more like a non-traditional psychedelic, like an MDMA that's come more from a lab.
631
00:47:47.672 --> 00:47:54.557
It can show us actually the essence of who we are and what we want to do and who we want to be and give us permission.
632
00:47:55.137 --> 00:47:56.077
Like, that's the big thing.
633
00:47:56.097 --> 00:48:00.158
Like, give us permission to be like, okay, hell yeah, this is the thing that I want.
634
00:48:00.218 --> 00:48:01.699
Why am I holding myself back?
635
00:48:02.319 --> 00:48:02.459
Right?
636
00:48:02.479 --> 00:48:04.739
It's like, this is the story of the bear in the cage, right?
637
00:48:04.759 --> 00:48:11.201
The bear that was in the cage and they moved the cage away and the bear still circles around the whole square that the bear is in or he was in.
638
00:48:11.641 --> 00:48:14.982
It's like the cage isn't even there anymore and we're patterned ourselves to believe it is.
639
00:48:15.642 --> 00:48:18.262
So how do we like, we hold the keys to the cage, they say.
640
00:48:18.723 --> 00:48:24.784
So how do we just like unlock ourselves from that and say, what's the worst that can happen if I go out and be myself?
641
00:48:25.484 --> 00:48:28.486
probably the people that aren't aligned with you are going to fall away.
642
00:48:28.566 --> 00:48:36.952
But P.S., you probably don't want those people, you know, and the people that you are meant to love and be in your circle as you grow, like they will all come in.
643
00:48:37.032 --> 00:48:52.363
And I think what I've seen, if I'm going to say to a listener, another piece of like why this medicine work can be so important is it's like you accomplish even more by worrying less and being more present, like the more present that we can get.
644
00:48:53.023 --> 00:49:06.027
the more I see people step into their own like biggest, brightest selves, even if that's weird to someone else or their family doesn't approve or whatever, the more that they become themselves, they speak to their husband and wife more politely or communicate better.
645
00:49:06.067 --> 00:49:14.810
The more they ask for what they want, the more they ask to be seen and loved and acknowledged, the more that the world is like, oh, there's Amy, there's Kristen, there's Jack.
646
00:49:15.251 --> 00:49:16.591
They're doing their fullest expression.
647
00:49:16.631 --> 00:49:18.692
Let's send amazing things their way.
648
00:49:19.432 --> 00:49:19.672
Right.
649
00:49:19.692 --> 00:49:21.352
And the jobs come and the loves come.
650
00:49:21.372 --> 00:49:28.034
And listen, doesn't mean someone's not coming out of a session with me trying to figure out their relationship and then says, OK, we're going to divorce because I work with couples as well.
651
00:49:28.074 --> 00:49:37.015
And it's like perhaps the greatest and highest good at this timeline is for you to separate because it's not working and there's better things coming for you.
652
00:49:37.135 --> 00:49:37.295
Right.
653
00:49:37.315 --> 00:49:38.315
You said it's like the thing.
654
00:49:38.335 --> 00:49:39.716
Why are things happening to me?
655
00:49:39.776 --> 00:49:41.136
Well, things are happening for me.
656
00:49:41.196 --> 00:49:41.956
We hear that a lot.
657
00:49:42.016 --> 00:49:46.017
And I really want to address or say, I think things are coming from us.
658
00:49:47.057 --> 00:49:47.257
Right.
659
00:49:47.297 --> 00:49:53.023
Not just for us, but from us, because every single day what we're thinking and doing and how we're behaving is dictating what we're calling in.
660
00:49:53.624 --> 00:49:53.824
Right.
661
00:49:53.864 --> 00:50:04.675
This energetic bubble that's around us, the four feet that we know by science is there, the way that we bump into other people and other people's energies, the way we walk into a room and either light it up or bring it down.
662
00:50:04.755 --> 00:50:10.280
Like we can see that in people's energy and people's thoughts and people's and how they just like are in the world.
663
00:50:11.101 --> 00:50:16.846
And so I think this gives people the permission slip to be themselves in a much fuller expression than they're doing.
664
00:50:17.246 --> 00:50:18.607
And again, it's like, no shame.
665
00:50:18.767 --> 00:50:22.450
We're all doing this thing of like, oh, maybe I shouldn't do that.
666
00:50:22.530 --> 00:50:24.291
Maybe I should people please a little more.
667
00:50:24.311 --> 00:50:26.893
Or I think that that I'll let Johnny go first.
668
00:50:26.973 --> 00:50:35.119
Or it's like everyone, if everyone is just being exactly who they are, are they going to get exactly what they need?
669
00:50:36.312 --> 00:50:37.292
I love that phrase.
670
00:50:37.432 --> 00:50:38.693
That is so beautiful.
671
00:50:38.713 --> 00:50:41.174
I remember you said that to me before, and yet it's so true.
672
00:50:41.614 --> 00:50:44.335
It's simple, it's beautiful, and it's true.
673
00:50:45.015 --> 00:50:45.875
It's just true.
674
00:50:46.075 --> 00:50:52.157
And, you know, I also want to say, every single person listening to this, you have...
675
00:50:52.818 --> 00:50:54.841
unconscious thoughts, subconscious.
676
00:50:54.901 --> 00:50:59.188
You have things running beneath the surface that you don't even know.
677
00:50:59.248 --> 00:51:02.213
So you might be listening to this going like, well, no, I don't.
678
00:51:02.373 --> 00:51:03.274
No, I don't do that.
679
00:51:03.314 --> 00:51:04.076
I don't think that.
680
00:51:04.116 --> 00:51:05.478
I don't operate that way.
681
00:51:05.578 --> 00:51:07.160
You don't even know.
682
00:51:07.801 --> 00:51:33.947
that you are operating based on this wiring that occurred, kind of going back to Kristen's initial example of, you know, the three-year-old that gets hit with a red shovel or whatever, and he creates that with pain, and that created a connection in their brain that now translates into a response to a red shovel that this person doesn't even realize they're responding to, right?
683
00:51:33.967 --> 00:51:34.067
Yeah.
684
00:51:34.647 --> 00:51:50.587
So I think it's important to note that every single person listening to this, you have subconscious thoughts, programs that were built in that are literally dictating your actions, like dictating your life, dictating your relationships.
685
00:51:51.248 --> 00:51:53.969
dictating how much money you make, dictating your health.
686
00:51:54.449 --> 00:51:55.869
I mean, that's just reality.
687
00:51:56.170 --> 00:52:02.751
I think people live too much in the, I don't know, I don't want to say in the now because we're not living in the now.
688
00:52:02.771 --> 00:52:04.072
I mean, what am I looking for?
689
00:52:04.532 --> 00:52:05.692
People just don't realize.
690
00:52:05.812 --> 00:52:07.873
They don't realize what's going on beneath the surface.
691
00:52:08.493 --> 00:52:09.994
Yeah, like we're just we're looking for that.
692
00:52:10.034 --> 00:52:11.015
Like, what's the next thing?
693
00:52:11.035 --> 00:52:14.858
We're like, I'll be happy when it's like, look, happy now.
694
00:52:15.399 --> 00:52:17.580
And again, this this is not an easy game to play.
695
00:52:17.600 --> 00:52:18.581
This is like Earth School.
696
00:52:18.641 --> 00:52:19.602
We are all learning.
697
00:52:20.202 --> 00:52:22.364
You know, we are all we're all learning all the time.
698
00:52:22.384 --> 00:52:24.986
And then they're they're more aware and less aware people.
699
00:52:25.026 --> 00:52:26.007
Again, it's not a judgment.
700
00:52:26.047 --> 00:52:30.751
More aware of like how much they're carrying in their own system or less aware because they're busy.
701
00:52:31.131 --> 00:52:34.333
working three jobs and running a family and whatever the things are.
702
00:52:34.813 --> 00:52:48.201
But like the game that we get to play and the work with the psychedelics in a therapeutic sense is to be like, what, let me bring all of this into the forefront, into the awareness so that I can pick and choose that I can have autonomy to decide how I show up in the world.
703
00:52:48.821 --> 00:52:49.001
Right.
704
00:52:49.021 --> 00:52:58.847
So this to stand on my own two feet in a way that is actually me, because what there's nothing more heartbreaking to me than someone who's like 80 years old saying, ah,
705
00:53:00.103 --> 00:53:04.027
I really wanted to kiss the girl, do the thing, say the whatever, be an astronaut.
706
00:53:04.588 --> 00:53:06.410
And it's not about if you succeed or fail.
707
00:53:06.430 --> 00:53:08.992
You can try to be an astronaut and you can fail and not be an astronaut.
708
00:53:09.012 --> 00:53:09.613
And that's cool.
709
00:53:09.633 --> 00:53:17.721
But like just knowing that you tried and knowing that you like worked to expand yourself in all the ways that you want, you know, like.
710
00:53:18.622 --> 00:53:24.784
I spent, this is not my story, I'm just making this up, but it's like, I spent 25 years in a marriage and we hated each other.
711
00:53:24.824 --> 00:53:39.489
Like, why wouldn't you give the opportunity for you and your spouse at the time, one of you give the other opportunity and like break up, get a divorce if that's what has to happen so that you can go off and live bigger, different lives in a way that's gonna make you both more fulfilled, right?
712
00:53:39.569 --> 00:53:42.130
And like, that can be a painful example, but like we, we,
713
00:53:42.810 --> 00:53:46.712
The heartbreak comes in the like not jumping off the ledge, right?
714
00:53:46.732 --> 00:53:48.834
It's like leap in the net will appear, if you will.
715
00:53:49.334 --> 00:53:57.659
Like, where is the calculated, you know, educated risk that you're taking in your life to be the fullest version of yourself?
716
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.760
And, you know, I want to be in a rock band or whatever.
717
00:54:01.321 --> 00:54:06.503
I will say to people a lot of times when I meet them, I live in Austin, so a lot of times people are like, what is lighting you up today?
718
00:54:06.543 --> 00:54:08.545
But I will say to people like, what's the dream?
719
00:54:09.165 --> 00:54:09.805
What's the dream?
720
00:54:10.365 --> 00:54:14.668
And if someone's like, well, I'm hoping on Friday I can go get like a steak, whatever.
721
00:54:14.688 --> 00:54:15.308
I'm like, that's cool.
722
00:54:15.328 --> 00:54:16.609
But actually, like, what's the big dream?
723
00:54:17.049 --> 00:54:18.049
What's the bigger dream?
724
00:54:18.790 --> 00:54:20.270
We're not dreaming big enough.
725
00:54:20.730 --> 00:54:25.952
You think that when you sit around with a group of seven-year-olds and you say, what do you want to do and who do you want to be?
726
00:54:26.512 --> 00:54:32.454
If they haven't had so many constructs put on them, they're going to be like, I want to be a guy who rides dinosaurs.
727
00:54:32.494 --> 00:54:34.875
We're dreaming massively.
728
00:54:34.935 --> 00:54:37.116
I want to wear a tuxedo and go to the moon.
729
00:54:37.136 --> 00:54:39.476
They're saying the big dream.
730
00:54:39.636 --> 00:54:44.218
And we're sitting around as adults being like, the big dream is I just like to have a steak on Friday.
731
00:54:44.658 --> 00:54:48.099
Like, which is cool if you want more peace in your life and that's going to bring you peace and whatever.
732
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:49.360
But what's the big dream?
733
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.781
Like, where are you not swinging for the fences in your life that you actually really want to?
734
00:54:55.481 --> 00:54:57.882
I mean, that's exhilarating, exciting, scary.
735
00:54:58.322 --> 00:55:03.344
And like, how do we reframe that like fear or that like lack of permission that we don't give ourselves?
736
00:55:03.364 --> 00:55:04.644
It's like, I can't do it.
737
00:55:04.684 --> 00:55:09.386
How do I like give you a permission slip to actually swing for the fences in the area that you want to?
738
00:55:09.846 --> 00:55:11.668
Because what if it goes right?
739
00:55:11.788 --> 00:55:17.352
What if you set your mind and your thoughts and your attention in that direction?
740
00:55:17.893 --> 00:55:22.036
Because you felt like I've worked out enough of my things to see where my patterning is.
741
00:55:22.136 --> 00:55:27.381
And now I give myself the permission slip to integrate those things and be like, I love you, scared parts.
742
00:55:27.841 --> 00:55:29.302
I love you, hurdy poos.
743
00:55:29.943 --> 00:55:38.050
And actually, while I'm loving you, we're going to go jump out of this plane or we're going to go kiss the girl or we're going to go move to a new country or whatever.
744
00:55:38.570 --> 00:55:54.805
whatever the thing might be, like this is an opportunity for us to, yeah, like do what the soul wants to do, if you will, again, without trying to sound like too woo about it all, just like at a very deep level, like what do you dream and how can you like shift your mind in that direction?
745
00:55:54.885 --> 00:55:57.788
So your patterns give you enough space to do it.
746
00:55:58.257 --> 00:55:58.517
Yeah.
747
00:55:59.058 --> 00:56:02.763
Well, and you had said it earlier, and I say it over and over again as well.
748
00:56:03.304 --> 00:56:12.956
And I think maybe it's hitting me more at the age of 52 than it ever has, that we only have so much time in these bodies on this earth.
749
00:56:13.937 --> 00:56:18.802
And why would we not live however many days we have?
750
00:56:18.842 --> 00:56:19.343
We don't know.
751
00:56:20.003 --> 00:56:22.125
Why would we not live it to the fullest?
752
00:56:22.145 --> 00:56:23.567
Why would we not live in joy?
753
00:56:24.247 --> 00:56:31.414
Why would we wait for, oh, you know, the next time or down the road, next month, next year, two years?
754
00:56:31.434 --> 00:56:32.615
You don't even know if you have two years.
755
00:56:32.635 --> 00:56:32.796
Yeah.
756
00:56:33.356 --> 00:56:49.433
So why not take the time right now and do everything you possibly can to be that person that you're meant to be, to have the fullest expression of yourself and of joy, which is not only going to light up your life and yes, energetically bring things in.
757
00:56:49.774 --> 00:56:52.537
Listen, I don't care whether you believe in manifestation or not.
758
00:56:52.597 --> 00:56:53.378
It's freaking real.
759
00:56:53.398 --> 00:56:54.439
So you got to come into 2026.
760
00:56:55.780 --> 00:56:56.541
because it's real.
761
00:56:56.581 --> 00:57:02.286
I can give you 5 to 10 different examples of how I have randomly manifested things in my life.
762
00:57:02.327 --> 00:57:04.449
And if you really think about your life, you can too.
763
00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:11.415
So why not live your best life every single day if that is possible?
764
00:57:11.876 --> 00:57:19.443
Why not do something that is a little bit outside of the box, but that you've heard me talk about now on this show, that can...
765
00:57:20.224 --> 00:57:29.148
break through whatever barrier is in you and take you and your body and your health to the next level.
766
00:57:29.188 --> 00:57:36.192
Because, you know, just like we've been talking about those things that are running beneath the surface, they're creating barriers to joy.
767
00:57:36.232 --> 00:57:41.294
They're creating barriers to what's going to light you up to your fullest expression.
768
00:57:41.334 --> 00:57:46.597
What's going to give you peace with, but they're creating barriers in your cells that,
769
00:57:47.457 --> 00:57:51.678
from being able to get to that optimized state.
770
00:57:52.378 --> 00:57:54.619
You know, I always talk about optimization land.
771
00:57:54.639 --> 00:58:01.121
It's a beautiful place to be, but you can't get to optimization land if your body is blocking you.
772
00:58:01.801 --> 00:58:02.981
You could take all the thyroid.
773
00:58:03.001 --> 00:58:03.841
You could take all the hormones.
774
00:58:03.861 --> 00:58:04.762
You could take all the supplements.
775
00:58:04.782 --> 00:58:06.102
You could do the best diet in the world.
776
00:58:06.162 --> 00:58:10.043
You could, you know, jump into your H-Bot and your sauna and
777
00:58:10.883 --> 00:58:15.647
But if you have these things inside of you, I'm not even going to use the T word.
778
00:58:15.807 --> 00:58:32.419
If you have these things inside of you that are blockades, and it's like I picture them as like blocks in the body, it's going to prevent your cells from taking that thyroid hormone, from taking that bioidentical hormone, from using the vitamin D to light up your cells.
779
00:58:32.720 --> 00:58:33.720
It's going to stop it.
780
00:58:34.261 --> 00:58:39.885
So this is your next step to happiness, but it's also your next step to health and longevity.
781
00:58:40.584 --> 00:58:41.505
Yeah.
782
00:58:42.046 --> 00:58:44.690
I'm like for anyone who's listening and is like, this is a lot.
783
00:58:45.170 --> 00:58:47.393
I get to like, I have a beautiful gift.
784
00:58:48.074 --> 00:58:52.721
I cannot explain to you like, I cannot stress enough how challenging it was.
785
00:58:52.741 --> 00:58:56.806
This is not to say my situation was worse than anyone else, but I didn't think that I would make it.
786
00:58:57.367 --> 00:58:59.148
I didn't think that I would get out of bed.
787
00:58:59.388 --> 00:59:02.630
I didn't think that anyone would ever want to spend time with me again.
788
00:59:02.670 --> 00:59:04.631
I didn't think that people loved me.
789
00:59:04.771 --> 00:59:15.676
I was so lost in the sauce that I had other practitioners that I was working with being like, I know you don't believe that you're going to make it through to the other side of this, but I will hold that thought for you.
790
00:59:16.297 --> 00:59:18.418
And those practitioners are the people that like...
791
00:59:18.978 --> 00:59:21.200
To this day, I'm like, thank you so much.
792
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:31.089
I was just at a wedding in England, I told you, and one of my mentors came, a nutrition and functional medicine mentor came, who I just, I called him twice a month that whole time and just cried.
793
00:59:31.750 --> 00:59:37.075
And I got to see him and be like, I have so much gratitude for you because I know how much you love me because you listened every time.
794
00:59:37.675 --> 00:59:42.917
And because you just checked in with me and because you were like, I know that you don't know this is going to get better, but it will.
795
00:59:43.537 --> 00:59:46.358
And I, you know, I don't want to say I have regrets.
796
00:59:46.458 --> 00:59:49.179
It was a beautiful gift, the amount of that.
797
00:59:49.479 --> 00:59:56.322
There was a beautiful gift that dark night of the soul and my transformed woman in so many ways because I know myself better and I trust myself and I have my own back.
798
00:59:56.922 --> 01:00:03.063
And also, there's just a part of that whole process that I want to share with the audience.
799
01:00:03.123 --> 01:00:10.745
It's like, if you are stuck in this place, I know it doesn't feel like there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but I'm here to tell you, like, Amy and I will hold that for you.
800
01:00:11.345 --> 01:00:13.325
Because it can be so challenging.
801
01:00:13.425 --> 01:00:16.126
And like I said, I don't have regrets.
802
01:00:16.166 --> 01:00:20.907
But if I could say one thing that I would have added into my toolbox and tried on my own body sooner...
803
01:00:21.627 --> 01:00:30.811
It would have been putting some psychedelic therapy in a very reverent, safe container into my life because I could have been to the other side of this a bit sooner.
804
01:00:30.931 --> 01:00:32.872
Again, time takes the time it takes.
805
01:00:33.432 --> 01:00:34.473
Happens how it happens.
806
01:00:34.813 --> 01:00:36.534
And I know we can't go back and change things.
807
01:00:36.594 --> 01:00:45.298
But my resistance was the thing that was like holding me from doing that because I felt like, well, I don't know if this is OK or this or my family or I'm scared I'm going to die or whatever I thought.
808
01:00:45.958 --> 01:00:52.185
And it's just like with the right practitioner, the right facilitator, the right medicine for you, different medicines for different people.
809
01:00:52.870 --> 01:00:57.595
It can be so transformative that you come out on the other side and you're just like, thank God.
810
01:00:58.015 --> 01:00:59.917
Like, thank God that I get to be this person.
811
01:01:00.437 --> 01:01:07.945
And I understand there'll be people who have like resistance or cultural norms or like restrictions in their communities against these things.
812
01:01:08.585 --> 01:01:11.007
And there's lots of ways that we can use breathwork and cold exposure.
813
01:01:11.068 --> 01:01:16.192
And like, I would say edgier, you got to do things that you're afraid of.
814
01:01:16.853 --> 01:01:18.815
You know, you have to do some things within reason.
815
01:01:18.835 --> 01:01:20.656
You're not going to jump off a bridge because everyone else is.
816
01:01:21.257 --> 01:01:22.718
But you have to stretch your envelope.
817
01:01:22.738 --> 01:01:24.640
This is about building tolerance to stress.
818
01:01:24.680 --> 01:01:26.381
This is like the window of tolerance window.
819
01:01:26.401 --> 01:01:27.042
We're stretching it.
820
01:01:27.602 --> 01:01:31.746
So you can use cold and you can use breath and you can use lots of different therapeutic tools.
821
01:01:32.426 --> 01:01:36.510
But you have to push your edges in order to see where you can go because you can fly.
822
01:01:36.770 --> 01:01:43.396
Like we don't even give ourselves credit that we can really expand to a place that's like, wow, look at the human that I'm becoming.
823
01:01:43.416 --> 01:01:43.736
Yeah.
824
01:01:43.916 --> 01:01:47.559
And everyone who's listening is no different than you and me, Amy.
825
01:01:47.779 --> 01:01:51.302
Like they can expand to like the greatest capacity they ever dreamed of.
826
01:01:51.422 --> 01:01:52.203
It's available.
827
01:01:52.863 --> 01:01:56.566
And so I just, I say that because I didn't think it was available for me.
828
01:01:56.587 --> 01:01:58.048
That's why I'm doing this work.
829
01:01:58.088 --> 01:01:58.288
Yeah.
830
01:01:58.608 --> 01:01:59.569
Because it's so available.
831
01:01:59.589 --> 01:02:05.113
Because I can sit in a room with someone that says, I can't ever get there and be like, okay, you can believe that.
832
01:02:05.514 --> 01:02:08.056
I'm going to disagree and I'm going to hold for you that you can get there.
833
01:02:08.937 --> 01:02:09.597
And I know it's true.
834
01:02:09.917 --> 01:02:10.198
Yeah.
835
01:02:10.238 --> 01:02:10.458
You know?
836
01:02:10.738 --> 01:02:11.759
And that's your superpower.
837
01:02:11.899 --> 01:02:19.683
And that's why I'm glad you brought it up because I wanted to bring it up next is I totally realize that there are listeners that, like you said, they're going to have resistance.
838
01:02:19.863 --> 01:02:24.025
Maybe they need to talk to you and they need to talk through the safety profile of the different medicines.
839
01:02:24.085 --> 01:02:25.065
And that's totally doable.
840
01:02:25.105 --> 01:02:29.388
We're going to put all of Kristen's contact information down in the show notes.
841
01:02:29.548 --> 01:02:30.828
You travel the people.
842
01:02:30.888 --> 01:02:32.209
They can come to you in Austin.
843
01:02:32.229 --> 01:02:33.330
You can travel to them.
844
01:02:33.790 --> 01:02:35.551
But the most important thing is, is that
845
01:02:36.051 --> 01:02:37.874
You meet people where they are.
846
01:02:38.254 --> 01:02:53.094
So you had mentioned cold and breath, and that can actually produce very similar, albeit not maybe the level that plant medicine does, but it can produce very similar effects in the body, right?
847
01:02:53.114 --> 01:02:53.535
Right.
848
01:02:53.735 --> 01:02:54.696
Yeah, absolutely.
849
01:02:54.856 --> 01:03:00.863
From like the catecholamine surge, which is just like a bliss chemical surge from a dopaminergic response perspective.
850
01:03:00.923 --> 01:03:12.856
There's like lots of just like almost like it's like shorter dose than it feels different and you can't quite do the exact kind of coaching you can in a six hour medicine container, but you can absolutely shift people's state and
851
01:03:13.557 --> 01:03:22.362
I think it's important to also just know if people are out there looking for facilitators to really lean in to not being afraid to like anyone who wants to talk to me, I will always talk to.
852
01:03:22.382 --> 01:03:28.285
I'm not charging them for that phone call because it's a relationship that you're building with someone who's going to get to know you at a very deep level.
853
01:03:29.046 --> 01:03:32.668
And I don't shy away from, of course, I mean this appropriately and professionally.
854
01:03:33.488 --> 01:03:34.949
I love every one of my clients.
855
01:03:35.189 --> 01:03:36.590
I want to know about their life.
856
01:03:36.770 --> 01:03:38.231
I want to know every part of it.
857
01:03:38.331 --> 01:03:39.631
I want to love up on them.
858
01:03:39.752 --> 01:03:41.472
I'm not judging anything.
859
01:03:41.532 --> 01:03:45.595
I've seen and heard most things around the clients I've worked with.
860
01:03:46.035 --> 01:03:51.578
I think it's very important that you find a facilitator who is private and is going to understand, like,
861
01:03:51.938 --> 01:03:53.539
because I will work with police officers.
862
01:03:53.559 --> 01:04:01.963
I've worked with, you know, people in corporate jobs that wouldn't want to know about, you know, wouldn't want this to like be a thing that they display on their like corporate LinkedIn profile.
863
01:04:02.403 --> 01:04:08.546
Someone that can keep and respect your privacy, someone who you're going to build a relationship with like any other relationship, someone you trust.
864
01:04:09.186 --> 01:04:10.647
And again, for me, it's important.
865
01:04:10.687 --> 01:04:16.129
Like I don't just work with someone, many facilitators based on time, energy, money, whatever will be like, oh, great.
866
01:04:16.309 --> 01:04:16.950
One experience.
867
01:04:17.590 --> 01:04:24.857
I will work with someone in one peak experience, let's say one medicine experience, but all my programs are at least eight weeks long because I take the time.
868
01:04:24.917 --> 01:04:26.258
I want to intake people.
869
01:04:26.318 --> 01:04:28.080
I want to get to know what their intentions are.
870
01:04:28.100 --> 01:04:29.181
I want to learn about them.
871
01:04:29.221 --> 01:04:33.765
I want them to get comfortable with me, build rapport, have a peak medicine experience.
872
01:04:33.785 --> 01:04:36.548
And then I always spend like four to six weeks integrating people.
873
01:04:37.128 --> 01:04:38.308
And you saw it firsthand.
874
01:04:38.328 --> 01:04:46.350
Like the thing that's really important to me about safety and awareness is when we're in medicine, we forget a lot of the things that come up and we're telling ourselves.
875
01:04:46.690 --> 01:04:50.611
Our unconscious mind is telling ourselves the most important messages of our life.
876
01:04:51.292 --> 01:04:55.173
And so with consent, always I ask clients if I can record this session.
877
01:04:55.213 --> 01:04:56.833
I take copious pages of notes.
878
01:04:57.433 --> 01:05:23.518
I'm writing and thinking about integration homework and I try to do the thing which thank you so much for saying what you said about the balance of masculine and feminine because I really try to love up on my clients but also be like firm and fair when it comes to integration because integration isn't optional you can stand in the doorway of the psychedelic experience and be like oh my god look at the view and if you don't do the integration you never step in that through that doorway to the other side you might as well close the door and go back.
879
01:05:24.098 --> 01:05:33.445
So I think yours was probably 11 page summary of the session with all of the notes from things that came up and integration, homework and things that I think that's curated to each person.
880
01:05:33.465 --> 01:05:37.268
It's very different for every person I work with because everyone has different life experiences.
881
01:05:37.789 --> 01:05:45.875
And some of it's based on like Jungian psychology or it's based on nervous system regulation or my expertise in breathwork and nutrition even.
882
01:05:45.935 --> 01:05:52.080
I'm weaving everything I can in and I work with this beautiful supplementation protocol, a vessel love stack.
883
01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:56.863
which also supports people who are worried about like, oh, the aftermath, the oxidative stress.
884
01:05:56.883 --> 01:05:57.983
Will I be in a bad mood?
885
01:05:58.023 --> 01:06:01.285
Will I be okay for the days following or even during the journey?
886
01:06:01.886 --> 01:06:08.329
And that supplementation protocol, which, you know, full disclosure is something I co-founded with my co-founder, Michael.
887
01:06:09.030 --> 01:06:20.057
It's just been game changing for when I work with clients who want to work, have a day of integration to start, and then they need to get back to their lives as they continue to integrate in their, what we would call the neuroplastic window for a few weeks.
888
01:06:20.097 --> 01:06:20.297
So,
889
01:06:20.977 --> 01:06:26.621
I think it's just important to say that whether people are working with me or working with someone else, that it's like, don't rush into it.
890
01:06:27.201 --> 01:06:29.002
Meet the person, have a conversation.
891
01:06:29.643 --> 01:06:37.027
Certainly if you're in dire straits or what we might call like, you know, a situation where you're like, it's the 11th hour, I really need support, which is a bit how I was.
892
01:06:37.107 --> 01:06:39.389
I was like, what's the first cancellation I can get into?
893
01:06:39.949 --> 01:06:42.731
But I made sure I checked recommendations, references.
894
01:06:42.751 --> 01:06:48.355
Like I did all the work to make sure that this was going to be the person that I knew I could work with and that I would be safe with.
895
01:06:48.795 --> 01:06:57.638
you know, that has some protocol and some integration program and that you can make those good decisions for yourself so that you're held before, during and after.
896
01:06:57.658 --> 01:07:02.879
And that you can contact that person and be like, you can throw me a text at any time, right?
897
01:07:02.899 --> 01:07:04.740
I'm not going to be like, that's $250.
898
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.741
If you want to have a, it's like, I'm here to stay and keep and hold you.
899
01:07:08.761 --> 01:07:09.601
And we're both adults.
900
01:07:09.661 --> 01:07:14.623
If things get really deep and we have to work in some other kind of container professionally, we can, but yeah.
901
01:07:14.883 --> 01:07:16.524
This is a relationship like anything else.
902
01:07:16.725 --> 01:07:21.288
And just because you're not familiar with the medicine doesn't mean you shouldn't get familiar with your facilitator.
903
01:07:21.309 --> 01:07:22.429
I love that.
904
01:07:22.790 --> 01:07:23.290
I love that.
905
01:07:23.390 --> 01:07:26.113
And everything that Kristen says, I mean, it's from her heart.
906
01:07:26.193 --> 01:07:26.833
It is real.
907
01:07:26.893 --> 01:07:28.034
She is there for you.
908
01:07:28.695 --> 01:07:29.435
She will answer you.
909
01:07:29.455 --> 01:07:32.698
I mean, it really is a deep relationship.
910
01:07:32.858 --> 01:07:35.200
And you do have to trust your facilitator.
911
01:07:35.240 --> 01:07:36.521
You have to feel comfortable.
912
01:07:36.882 --> 01:07:39.104
And some women are going to feel more comfortable with women.
913
01:07:39.124 --> 01:07:40.525
They're not going to feel comfortable with men.
914
01:07:41.065 --> 01:07:41.746
It just is.
915
01:07:41.846 --> 01:07:47.989
So that's why I so badly wanted to bring you on to share my experience in working with you because I think it's so powerful.
916
01:07:48.389 --> 01:07:55.333
You know, I came out of the session saying every single person with a pulse needs to experience this.
917
01:07:55.373 --> 01:07:56.534
And that is my true belief.
918
01:07:56.634 --> 01:07:57.995
That's my true, true belief.
919
01:07:58.355 --> 01:08:08.200
I really believe there are very few people walking this planet that I don't know who they are right now to even say, but that I'd be like, oh, no, they don't need this.
920
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:09.301
But all the rest of us do.
921
01:08:09.901 --> 01:08:11.662
So I just thank you.
922
01:08:11.682 --> 01:08:25.427
I know you had to go through a dark night of the soul in order to find this gift that was inside you that you were expressing in a multitude of other different ways working with your clients through breath, through cold.
923
01:08:25.988 --> 01:08:29.069
But now this just kind of takes it to a whole nother level.
924
01:08:29.289 --> 01:08:39.373
And I think it's allowing you, I'm speaking for you right now, but I think it's allowing you to get a little bit deeper with your clients and to get more progress with them as well.
925
01:08:39.927 --> 01:08:49.181
For sure, because I've had many clients who work with me in the health space cross over and then medicine clients cross over into the health space because this is like we are one incredible being, right?
926
01:08:49.261 --> 01:08:54.168
And everything is interrelated in the way that we think, in the way that we behave, in the way that we do things with our body.
927
01:08:54.228 --> 01:08:54.428
Yeah.
928
01:08:55.009 --> 01:08:58.731
It's such a good fortune to be able to like, yeah, build those deeper relationships.
929
01:08:58.832 --> 01:09:13.781
And it's helpful, too, because you want if you're navigating someone who's navigating other medications or other challenges or health contraindications like pharmacologically, I work with two or three people that I pay to go to to make sure that if I have a challenging sort of.
930
01:09:14.322 --> 01:09:17.204
Well, this person's on five different prescriptions to understand what.
931
01:09:17.804 --> 01:09:23.766
washing out or tapering off looks like and to really work with people so that they feel like we don't have any negative outcomes, right?
932
01:09:23.926 --> 01:09:24.586
That's the game.
933
01:09:24.666 --> 01:09:35.529
So that's another piece of the puzzle that I think is just so important is that we can get our whole body, our whole system back online in so many different ways.
934
01:09:35.689 --> 01:09:40.690
And this way is something that I would never have guessed, you know, if you said to me 15 years ago,
935
01:09:41.190 --> 01:09:47.412
hey, you're going to be talking about this and how it changed your life on a podcast, I would have said, oh, I don't think that it goes that way.
936
01:09:47.552 --> 01:09:55.435
But when you talk about transformation, effective and efficient transformation, I've talked a lot about cold and breath and nervous system regulation in my life.
937
01:09:55.615 --> 01:10:05.779
And this is a tool that just, again, it's not a silver bullet, but it creates the shortest distance between two places of you creating so much self-awareness as a human person.
938
01:10:06.179 --> 01:10:09.600
that you can be like present and you can love your life yourself.
939
01:10:09.780 --> 01:10:14.602
And as a result, you start to like, love your communities, be in joy, be in connection.
940
01:10:14.622 --> 01:10:21.485
We see all this research about the more connection we're in and the more connection to self and others, the more joy we have the happiness quotient, right?
941
01:10:21.985 --> 01:10:24.686
It's like, it begins to change your life and you find your people.
942
01:10:24.766 --> 01:10:27.367
And it's like, you're one of my people, Dr. Amy.
943
01:10:27.427 --> 01:10:29.008
So I'm so glad we could have this chat.
944
01:10:29.566 --> 01:10:30.907
Oh, that's just amazing.
945
01:10:31.147 --> 01:10:31.747
It's amazing.
946
01:10:31.807 --> 01:10:32.627
I love you to death.
947
01:10:32.967 --> 01:10:46.012
I am encouraging every listener to check the show notes below, click the links, contact Kristen, but you have an amazing podcast so they can bounce over and listen to you and listen to more of your work and your stories as well.
948
01:10:46.072 --> 01:10:54.015
So tell people verbally, we're going to put in the show notes, but tell people your podcast, where they can find you, how they can work with you.
949
01:10:54.615 --> 01:10:54.835
Yeah.
950
01:10:55.096 --> 01:11:00.002
So Well Power is the podcast, W-E-L-L-P-O-W-E-R. Lots of free resources there.
951
01:11:00.022 --> 01:11:04.148
And you can tell that in January, I was like, okay, I'm going to start talking about psychedelics on the show.
952
01:11:04.748 --> 01:11:07.893
Finally, I was like, okay, I'm going to start talking and interviewing people.
953
01:11:07.953 --> 01:11:11.978
So there's probably, I don't know, 12 interviews in the last...
954
01:11:12.178 --> 01:11:16.160
eight months around psychedelics that are mixed in with all the other health optimization interviews.
955
01:11:16.661 --> 01:11:18.182
And then I just made my page live.
956
01:11:18.242 --> 01:11:19.602
It used to be a hidden URL.
957
01:11:19.642 --> 01:11:23.205
So SherpaBreathAndCold.com forward slash inner quest.
958
01:11:23.585 --> 01:11:25.686
The inner quest is what I call this journey work.
959
01:11:25.726 --> 01:11:29.428
This heart medicine work gives you a whole overview of my eight week program.
960
01:11:29.468 --> 01:11:32.450
And I still answer my own DMs on Instagram.
961
01:11:32.510 --> 01:11:33.611
Kristen Weitzel official.
962
01:11:33.771 --> 01:11:37.693
Shout out to the Kristen Weitzel who has Kristen Weitzel because I didn't want to be Kristen Weitzel official.
963
01:11:37.713 --> 01:11:40.415
But Kristen Weitzel, the pharmacist in Florida, is not me.
964
01:11:41.015 --> 01:11:43.338
Yeah, Kristen Weissel, official at Instagram.
965
01:11:43.618 --> 01:11:44.379
Feels so formal.
966
01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:46.542
It's everything for the most part.
967
01:11:46.582 --> 01:11:47.723
So just like reach out to me.
968
01:11:47.763 --> 01:11:49.585
I'm so happy to book a call with anyone.
969
01:11:50.166 --> 01:11:51.507
Spend a half an hour with you.
970
01:11:51.768 --> 01:11:54.351
Learn about your story or refer out if I need to.
971
01:11:54.431 --> 01:11:57.735
Or just like if we bond and things make sense and we can start to work together.
972
01:11:58.328 --> 01:11:58.809
Amazing.
973
01:11:59.349 --> 01:11:59.809
Amazing.
974
01:11:59.830 --> 01:12:01.591
Well, you're doing amazing work in the world.
975
01:12:01.711 --> 01:12:04.934
I can't wait to continue working with you as I'm going to.
976
01:12:05.875 --> 01:12:10.820
And just encourage everyone to be open-minded, have the conversation.
977
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:21.269
And if you do go through and work with Kristen and have that experience, that beautiful, beautiful experience of a plant medicine journey or many,
978
01:12:21.930 --> 01:12:31.319
please reach out to me, email me because I want to hear your story and maybe we'll bring you on and we'll powwow back and forth on the show about your story if you want to open up about it like I just did.
979
01:12:31.879 --> 01:12:33.381
So thank you all for listening.
980
01:12:33.441 --> 01:12:36.744
Share this episode pretty much with everyone because everybody needs it.
981
01:12:37.445 --> 01:12:39.086
And Kristen, thank you once again.
982
01:12:39.106 --> 01:12:39.927
I love you to death.
983
01:12:39.947 --> 01:12:41.608
Thank you so much for the work you're doing in this world.
984
01:12:42.489 --> 01:12:43.170
I love you too.
985
01:12:43.230 --> 01:12:44.151
Thanks for your presence.