Rep. John Sellers: Why He Wants People to See Life in the Womb

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They think this is part of health care. This has
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nothing to do with health care. This has to do
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with life. We'll protect life no matter what. Every single
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life matters, and I truly believe life starts at the conception.
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Welcome to the Ever Living Podcast. I'm your life-loving host, Jason.
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And this week we have a really special guest, New
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Hampshire State Representative John Sellers. Welcome, John.
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Hi. How are you doing?
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Good. Good, good. How are you doing? So glad you
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could join us this week. So, so John has been
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an outspoken advocate for children, unborn children in the legislature
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for several years. And, and John, I'm just, I, I,
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I'm just curious, like, how did you become pro-life? Like what,
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what inspired you?
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We're going back into the, I'm thinking seventies, early seventies.
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So I've been pro-life all my life, basically. When I
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came to know who, Jesus Christ was and God Almighty.
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When I was in the Air Force, from that point on,
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I was just understanding what life meant and what God
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and the people who God wants to have Him as
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His God. Everybody's life is important.
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Everybody.
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It's not just, as you hear, the Black Lives Matter,
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which has been long past, but Every single life matters,
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and I truly believe life starts at the conception.
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Amazing. Well, thank you for your service. How long were
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you in the Air Force for?
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I did six and a half years, and I say
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I did. It was actually a good experience for me,
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so I enjoyed it. It wasn't six and a half
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full-time years, but it was six and a half years
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I was in the service, and I came out as
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Staff Sergeant in the United States Air Force.
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Oh, wonderful.
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Wonderful.
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Now you said you also came to Christ during the
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air force.
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That's right. Believe it or not.
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Yeah.
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In the air force. Yeah. We, uh, a friend of
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mine and myself and a few others were just not
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much to do on, on the weekends every once in
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a while. So we'd, uh, end up going to a
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church and right there on base. And they, uh, one
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day they Connor to me, they Connor to me, but
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you know, I had been going and I haven't been
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listening and stuff. And basically at that point, uh, I said,
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you know what, I'll go back to my room and
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I'll actually pray and I'll find out if this God
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is real or not. And that's what happened. And I
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found out that night that God was real. And I
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never looked back. Perfect Christian?
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No.
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But he's perfect. And it's his righteousness. So I just
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kept going from there.
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That's awesome. Now, was that part of the Jesus movement?
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I've heard a lot of people talk about that in
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the 70s.
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I guess you could say, yeah, the charismatic movement back then. Yeah. But,
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you know, think of this as, you know, on a
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military base, you know, a military base that's, you know,
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so they had church there as well. And they were
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reaching out to everybody and anybody that wanted to listen.
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You know, it wasn't necessarily pushed on you, but it was,
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you know, you came to find out, you know, on
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your own, you know. But at one point, you know,
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there came to a point they said, well, do you
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want to really get to know who God is, you know,
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and pray and ask for that forgiveness of sins and stuff. So, yeah,
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it was good.
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That's amazing.
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Good experience.
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So then how did you make the connection between Christianity
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and or a relationship with Jesus Christ and wanting to
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protect children in the womb?
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To me, it was just a natural. All right. I mean,
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it's just, you know, you have something that's growing inside
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the woman at that point. You know, it's just not
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a thing, you know, a blob or whatever, anything else
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people want to call it. But it's a creation. Just
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as God created us in the beginning, we're there and
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God told us to procreate. And that's what we're doing, procreating.
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So for people to say that it's just nothing, it's
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not just nothing. And you can look at many, many,
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many verses in the scriptures that would say, that shows
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that it's just not nothing. God knew us even before that.
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you know, and I wouldn't even want to say and
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back up and say, God knew us even before we
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were conceived. Think of it that way, you know, so
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backing up that far, you know, so.
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Wow. Wonderful. And, and, and John, how, how did you
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get inspired? Like, uh, you've been, how, how long have
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you been a legislator for?
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So, uh, this was my end of two terms. Um,
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I was asked, I was actually asked to run. I
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wasn't planning on it, but I was, uh, getting a
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little more involved in the political arena, uh, up in the, uh, Bristol,
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New Hampshire area where I live. And, uh, one day
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they asked me if I'd like to run and I'd say,
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and I said, if you can't find anybody else, I'll
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step up and do it. And I did. And literally
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the first time I ran, I won by four votes.
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Wow. Four votes.
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So every vote does matter, you know? And then the
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second term I won by several, a couple hundred votes
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or three, three, four hundred. But it doesn't take many
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votes up here in New Hampshire to win. But that
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first year, that first term I did, it was, I
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think there were about 8,500 votes cast because I was
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in a flitorial. And four votes separated us out of 8,500.
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So that's quite a big difference from just being a
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rep over one or two towns. I was a rep
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over 10 towns at that point. Because that's what a
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flitorial does. It actually... It kind of floats over and
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makes up the difference of the number of people that
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we're going to be representing to make sure everybody is
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represented by the same number. I think it was 3,000,
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either 444 or 344, I think, each rep would have.
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And did you do that for the money? Was that
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one of your main motivations?
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I never knew about the money. But I did just retire,
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so the money wasn't a big deal or anything like that.
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I literally retired that, you know, the year before election.
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So that November, November 1, I retired. And then that
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next year I started running and I won the election. So, yeah.
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So it all worked out. So for those listening at
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home who don't understand why I asked John that... By
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New Hampshire's constitution, our legislators are paid $ 200 every two years,
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so $ 100 a year. So that's why.
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It's the lowest. We'd like to see that in silver coins,
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you know. But, I mean, if you've ever been to
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our statehouse in New Hampshire, they have a whole corner
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that was a vault. I mean, the whole corner of
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the statehouse, because that's all they dealt with, was silver.
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Silver and gold back over 100 years ago, right? So
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they had to store it and keep it there and
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pay people as time went on.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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What part of the statehouse is that? First floor, as
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you come into the front of the statehouse, it would
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be on your left.
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Oh, okay. Those are like two Senate offices.
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I think they call it the Office of Budgeting, Legislative
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Budgeting over there. Yeah, and literally it's two floors that
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they had set up just as a vault.
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Oh.
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Yeah, it's pretty interesting to go see.
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I remember like Grover Cleveland, like who previously was the
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only president elected to two non-consecutive terms. But I remember like,
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I think the reason he lost in the middle was
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because there was a big debate in the United States
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about just gold or gold and silver. And he, I
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forget which side he was on, but I think it
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was called bimetallism. Yeah.
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Well, if you have the gold, I mean, it's a
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lot lighter to carry than, you know, one ounce ago,
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what is about 67 ounces of silver. So, you know,
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so what's that? I don't know how many, four or
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five pounds versus one ounce, you know? So yeah. A
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lot easier to carry gold than it is silver.
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So, so John, once you, once you got to the legislature, um, how,
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how did you promote the, uh, the right to life
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while you were there? Like what are some of the ways?
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So, um, I started by, uh, As a legislator, you
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can sign on to bills that have been created. They're
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called the Legislative Service Request. That's what's happening or has
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happened in September. It will actually happen in November of
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this year as well for the new legislators. In any case,
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I signed on to a couple of bills that were
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actually what I thought were protecting of the unborn, the pre-born.
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So therefore, to me, that was a no-brainer. It was
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easy to do. And then from that point, I was
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able to speak on a couple of bills. And of
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course I was targeted. I get a bunch of hate
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mail and I get, you know, nasty mail too. Uh,
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but nothing that was threatening. So it wasn't a really
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a big deal. It was just, you know, part of
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the job and getting paid after all.
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Right.
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Yeah. You earned your a hundred bucks. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yes, I did. Yeah. So it was that simple. Yeah.
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I mean, that was the first thing. Yeah. First year.
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2022.
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I mean, that was, so that was like one. So
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we passed the Feed Life Protection Act in, well, in 21,
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I think. And then I think it came into effect
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in 22. So you.
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Right.
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Were you elected in.
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So 23, 20. So 23, 24. You're right. Exactly.
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Okay. Yeah.
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We were trying, we were trying to get a, a more,
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if you want to say protective bill for the, you know,
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the unborn. in there, which would actually protect them instead
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of the 24 weeks, it would be like six weeks
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or from conception or gestation. All right. At that point.
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So we were trying to really tighten that up. And,
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and we, we've had, remember there's 400 legislators and, that
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first two years, we were almost 50-50 with the Democrats, Republicans,
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and a couple of undeclared. And we had about 60
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to 80 people that were, I want to say, hardcore,
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you know, will protect life no matter what, you know.
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And then other than that, just trying to sell, you
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needed to sell, you know, the others. And there were
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just some that you could never sell. You know, they're saying,
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24 weeks as far, you know, as far as fine
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as the way it is. So, but that's the, that's
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the thing in the legislature. You got to try to,
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you really got to sell people, you know, and, you know,
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that takes a knack. I'm not saying I had it,
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but you know, they heard my voice a few times.
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Well, well, you did have the knack on one bill. Um,
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can you talk a little bit about the, the fetal
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education bill?
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That's, that's for the, uh, education one, right? Yes. Um, Yeah,
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that was, it wasn't my idea, but I, you know,
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as time went on, it became more saying, you know what,
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if we could educate these kids and students and stuff
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to say, you know, really it's biology, right? I mean,
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but if we could just educate them and show them
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that life is starting from, from day one, you know,
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maybe they could see that, you know, it's, it's not,
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it's not the blob they've been telling about. It's not
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just a thing and it's just, It's not part of you,
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you know. And technically, you know, it is an individual
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human being, even though it is attached to the mother
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until it's born. And then it starts growing or continues
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to grow from there, you know, the child, you know.
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So I put that forward to try to get that passed.
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And believe it or not, we did. We did get
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it passed with modifications to the bill. Mm-hmm. if Glenn
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Cadelli helped spearhead that change on the bill and stuff
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to make it more streamlined. And we got past the
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House and the Senate, and it did go to the governor,
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if I remember. She just wouldn't sign it because it
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was more stepping on their educational. Again, in New Hampshire,
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we have this thing called local control. We don't really
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like to step on the local control of how the
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schools run themselves at that point, or how the municipalities
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run themselves. And I understand what you're saying, but there
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are some things that, as a state, we do give
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the schools a lot of money. Some people would say
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not enough, and there probably will never be enough. But
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in any case, every time the government gives a school money,
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you know, the government has their fingers in it saying
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you can do this, you can't do that, and you
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must do this. So I think in some cases it's okay,
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especially when it comes to life. When it comes to
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life at that point, we need to be able to
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tell the schools, you've got to teach this and make
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sure they're getting taught. And I'm not saying the schools
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weren't teaching it. The schools were teaching some of this.
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Even the district government, they were teaching it. And actually
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they would teach in a more religious view than I
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was proposing. I was proposing just more about a biology
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type view and not had nothing to do with religion
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at all. So, but in the district I am, they
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were using a Ted talk and I was actually talking
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about religion along with, you know, life, you know, however,
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the problem is I, I see that, you know, as
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anybody else, depending on the time of year, you have
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a snow days or sick day or whatever. that part
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of the healthcare program might have been missed, you know,
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so the students would have walked right by that. And
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I think my teaching altogether was to watch like a
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three to seven minute video of just showing the stages
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of life from conception up until birth. And at that
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point to have a discussion and that was it. So
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it wasn't like taking up a whole you know, 20,
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40 minute or an hour and 20 minute class. It was,
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it was very straightforward, streamlined, just making sure the kids
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heard it. That's all.
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And was that three to seven minutes like each school year,
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or is that just three to seven minutes in like
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their high school? Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was looking at you and I, I
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say that, uh, I'd have to go back to my
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bill exactly. See what I wrote. But I was, I
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was thinking it's, it's each school year in the high
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school years only. So nine through 12.
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Well, given I mean, I've seen there's some statistics out
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there that something like only one third of abortions are
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actually wanted. And there's also huge amounts of abortion regret
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that I've read about.
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I mean, there's got to be.
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Yeah. Do you think I mean, this seems like pretty
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like under just understanding the biology, not even putting a
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spin on it, just understanding that, like, what do we
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look like when we're in the womb? That seems to
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make a lot of sense to me. What do you think?
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As far as what do we look like? We're a
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little miniature human being.
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Letting people know that, hey, this is what you look
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like in the womb. You have your organs. You can
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feel pain. It just seems like it might actually prevent
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this mental health association with abortion that's unfortunately been shown
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in the literature with regret and stuff.
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Even just today, I saw something on Facebook and it
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was just saying about, again, women's health care. I mean,
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they think this is part of health care. This has
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nothing to do with health care. This has to do
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with life. Yeah. You know, health care, if you didn't
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want to be pregnant, don't start in the first place.
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You know, now for those that are raped or incest
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or something like that, that's a whole different story. And
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that's a unique issue. But even those can be dealt with.
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And I won't disagree for anybody that goes through that
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and that aspect of it. and decides to keep the child,
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I'm saying it probably is tough. But from what I've
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heard after the fact, after the baby is born, it's
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like they look at it and they say, wow, totally different.
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Because maybe they're not making that great connection because of
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the evilness that was done on them. But now that
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once the baby is born, now it's like, you know,
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they got this package in front of them. This is
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really a miracle, you know. So they look at it
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completely different.
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That reminds me of the, have you heard of the
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Turnaway Study?
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No, I haven't.
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So that was done by a pro-abortion group, I think,
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I want to say UC San Francisco, but I could
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be wrong, where they followed up with women who were
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denied abortions due to some legal reason. Like it was
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too far along or maybe there were no providers in
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the region or something like that. And one of the
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really buried findings was, so they followed up with these
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women five years later. And one of their findings was
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actually that when you ask, if you, if you ask
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the woman who was denied an abortion, are you happy
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that you were denied the abortion? Like, are you happy
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with your child in the end? Over 90% of them
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say yes.
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Yes.
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I'm happy that I had this child and I'm happy.
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I didn't, I was denied the abortion. So I feel
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like there's just so much pressure in the moment and
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also thinking about the future and all that difficulty that
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But when you actually hold the child and when you
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raise the child and love the child, like, you know,
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I think a lot of that you start to realize,
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you know, it's not quite as bad as I thought
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it would be.
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No, you're right. And it really means a lot, you know,
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and I'm not relating this to an animal at all
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and animals, but more than a human. But, you know,
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I've had a German chip for 10 years. I just
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lost it a week ago because it got sick and
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we had to it was time that she had to
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be put down. And you're talking about a guy like me.
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I'm crying over my German shepherd. I mean, a dog.
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And here's a life, and we're not even crying over
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a life. I'm saying, yeah, just take it and, yeah,
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just do whatever with it. I'm saying, I can't grasp that.
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You know, people think that this is nothing that's growing
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in them and actually destroying a human being. And I'm
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just wondering how many Einsteins or poets or musicians or,
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you know, maybe presidents or politicians or garbage men, for
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whatever that matter, to be that we've lost out on.
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I mean, some really great people. We could have been
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so far, you could say, further along or better along.
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But I keep looking at this more and more. Every
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day as it passes, I'm saying, if we keep going
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the way we're going, we don't have to worry about
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AI or nuclear war. We're going to kill ourselves out
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of society. We won't have a society. there will be
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no society. It's got to be no offsprings. They'd be gone.
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Which is totally against our constitution. And I say our constitution,
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New Hampshire, you know?
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Yeah. I think, I think, I think the statistic is
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that one third of Gen Z was aborted. So, you know,
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some people are asking the question, like I know in
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my town over the last 20 years, our schools have
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lost 30%. Right. Right. And, you know, people are wondering
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why are New Hampshire schools shrinking? Well, every year we
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end the lives of 2,500 children or so. Right.
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And I think I did the numbers one year on it.
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I'm saying we're aborting, you said 2,500. I thought it
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was around 2,000 or so. And that's about what the
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schools were shrinking every year, you know, in New Hampshire.
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We started at like 210, right around 210 or 205.
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And now we're down to 165 or 163 right in
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that area. And that's 40,000, you know, 40,000 kids. Two
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kids over the last 20 years is 40,000. You know,
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I said it's right there. The numbers add up. You know,
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that's it.
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I mean.
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Yeah, it's, it's tragic. And then you're right. And like the,
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then we have the pensions and all these, all these
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programs all assume you have more kids coming in than
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you have older people taking, drawing from the system. And so,
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you know, social security and Medicare and all these things are,
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you know, it's, it's, it's a fact it affects our
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entire society. Yeah. Yeah.
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It's the, we've got, we've got a big imbalance going on.
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And I mean, uh, Going to the schools, I mean,
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they're trying to do as much as they can do
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and be all for the kids, but it's just there's
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not enough kids to technically support them and justify, you know, $ 25, 000, $ 35, 000
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a year as far as an average cost to teach.
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But I mean, this again, I look at it all
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comes down to abortions. If we weren't doing any, our
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numbers would be the same, $ 205, 000, if not more. You know,
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because those kids by then, after about 20 years, are
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now starting to have kids and just starting to go
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to school and stuff, you know.
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Compounding, compounding.
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Exactly.
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Right, right. So, John, so based on your time in
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the legislature and just being, you know, a life loving
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person in New Hampshire, what do you think are ways
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that we can or that our listeners can advocate for
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life and change hearts and minds in the state? It is.
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That's just what you said. You got to change hearts
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and minds and it's one-on-one. And it's like, even I
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said on Facebook today to somebody, I said, you know, it's,
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it's sad that we have to separate as friends because
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we can't have a discussion to agree or disagree. I'm saying,
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you know, you don't like my point and I don't
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like yours. And we can, we have to give up
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a friendship that we have for 15 years or 30 years.
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I said, that's just dumb. So, I mean, it is
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really a one-on-one type thing. And, you know, it's, I
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look at it as it probably comes back to people
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getting to know who God is, you know, and coming
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to Christ, you know, actually. I mean, we were a
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Christian nation all along, you know, and at this point,
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and we've just slowly drifted away, starting way back in
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the 60s, maybe even before that. But, you know, some
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people could actually bring it back to way back in
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the early 20s. But in any case, we're getting further away,
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further away, further away from God. And now we don't,
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you know, kids don't even know who God is or
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there's a God and what is a God. And, you know,
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it just, if you can't get their hearts to be
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changed there, how are you going to even change a
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heart and say, you know, and I don't want to
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say debate, but, you know, discussion to say, you know, realistically,
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I mean, how can you say it's not a being
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if you look at biology alone, you know? So, but,
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you know, the people are just getting so excited, you know,
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I'm on this side and I don't want to listen
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to you and you're just totally wrong and you don't
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care about us, you know, and that's not true. And
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I've been told I don't care. And that's, that is
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definitely not true. I mean, that's just an absolute lie.
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Of course I care about people, you know, it's, it's,
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it's just, you know, you know, I, like I said,
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even those who are the incest and rape, I'm saying,
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you know, they keep the child at that point. I'm saying,
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you know, God bless them for doing so. And that's
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going to be extremely hard, but I'm sure there is
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a blessing there. along the road there someplace after the
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child was born. So it's just one-on-one. It really is.
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It's just one-on-one. And it's just trying to, the other
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thing I was thinking of too is, is the support,
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you know, after the, you know, someone gets pregnant and
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then it's, of course it's an unplanned pregnancy, right? And
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they get pregnant, but you know, that's what happens. You know,
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you play, you pay sometimes. Right. And I was thinking my,
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just as I was knowing I was coming on this podcast,
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I was thinking, I had my cousin, probably about 10
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years younger than I am, maybe 15 years younger than
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I am. And she had gotten pregnant. And I had
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a young family back then. But she somehow was not
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living at home. And anyways, I don't want to say
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she was homeless, but she was in between someplace. And
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I took her in from her pregnancy. But imagine if
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I didn't back then take her in for her pregnancy.
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She might have aborted that child. And that child now
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turned 21.
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Oh, praise God.
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It's amazing, right? And she has so much joy from
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keeping that child. And I'm not saying she was ever
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going to get rid of the child. I'm just saying
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she had support. And I think that's what we're going
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to have to help with. And I really, truly believe
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get rid of the government, get rid of the red tape.
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And that's what I mean by get rid of the government.
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Get rid of any red tape like that, whatever is necessary.
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And let you, me, and others, nonprofits, start caring for people.
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you know, individually. We pay for a visit. We, you know,
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we help online. We can give or maybe come up
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with a group housing or whatever. You know, it really
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means individuals taking more out of their pocket, maybe more
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out of their time and just starting to help people.
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We've got to get back to that instead of just saying, hey, hey, Mr.
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Government here, you take, you know, $ 500 in my check
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for the year or maybe $ 10, 000 for the year or whatever,
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you know, and you help the people. No, we got
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to get away from that and get back to really
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caring for people individually.
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Well, one of the things I love about the pro-life
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movement is here in New Hampshire, we have, I think,
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on the order of 19 pregnancy centers, depending how you
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define them and stuff. And I did some back of
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the envelope calculations. And I think we spend, I want
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to say, roughly 10 times as much on them, which
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are really helping women and children and families, uh, than
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we do on like pro-life advocacy, like the stuff that
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kind of stuff that we do. And I think that's
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about the right ratio. Like I, I like that we,
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because you know, historically you're right. People have accused us
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in the pro-life movement of, Oh, well you only care
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about the baby before they're born. Right. And, No, the
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pregnancy centers, they offer diapers and strollers and parenting classes.
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And I know there's a few that even offer housing. And,
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you know, but you're right. If we have those personal connections,
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that's one of the ways we can minister. And I
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know that there are pro-life groups that encourage churches to
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actually come alongside and kind of like adopt, you know,
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young people who... who need help when they're pregnant.
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And that's what, and that's what I'm saying is that
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these are the nonprofits that are, you know, okay, maybe
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I don't have the time, but you know what? I
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do have the money, you know, to give an extra
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thousand or $ 5, 000 for a year. It's helping that nonprofit
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to help. Right. Or, you know, now that I'm retired, okay,
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maybe I have time. Maybe I could, you know, help
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run someone, you know, drive somebody someplace if that's all
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I have, or, You know, and some people, I know
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that they can't get out and they can't get around. Maybe,
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you know, I'm not going to throw away prayer. I mean,
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you think about prayer itself. I mean, that's like saying, oh,
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you know, we can't rely on God and God can't
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come through for us. I think that's wrong. I think
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we got to absolutely rely on prayer. And especially in
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those areas where the person that's pregnant needs that help.
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But I really truly believe more of us We've got
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to start digging into our own pocket and giving a
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little bit more where we can. You know what? Yeah,
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it hurts. But we help and save one life, and
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that's got to be huge. Just one. Just one single one.
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Individually and also, I'm saying, not necessarily corporate, but nonprofits. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I think the last that I heard was
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that I think there's like thousands of women in New
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Hampshire helped every year by the pregnancy centers.
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Which, which is great. Awesome.
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Yeah. You know, so we're doing, we're doing it, but
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you're right. We can always do more. So if you're
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listening and you haven't engaged, look up, we have on
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our NHR tail website, we have a pregnant page in
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the top right corner. Click on that and you can
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see all the pregnancy centers and reach out to the
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closest one. See, see if they need help.
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And they do. They, Well, not just the pregnancies that
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need help, but I mean those that are pregnant. They
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really do need help, especially this day and age. A
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lot of them are on their own for one reason
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or the other. They're on their own, and they truly wonder,
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how am I going to do this? And it's tough.
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You're asking someone that's pregnant. You could go to work,
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make money, rent an apartment, stay in your mother and
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father's basement, whatever. But I'm saying life goes on, and
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they really, really, really need some help. And they need
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to know people are there for them.
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That's true. Yeah. And I mean, there's also adoption. I
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think last I heard there were over a million people
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waiting to adopt in the United States.
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Yeah, I want to I want to say I think
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New Hampshire does really pretty well in that area. But uh,
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one group that I'm aware of is the unplaying good, uh, Teresa, uh, Croft,
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I think, or that's her last name out of, uh, Idaho.
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She does like a nationwide and tries to get legislation
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passed to make sure you can have open and closed
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adoptions and, and, uh, just making adoptions easier. And, uh,
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I know Representative Katie Peternel had put together the drop
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box bill a couple of years ago where you could
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actually drop a baby at a church and basically no penalties,
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questions asked, or a police station for that matter, a
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fire station.
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Oh, yeah, the safe haven law.
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That's right, yeah.
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Yeah, we just had our first baby box in Manchester,
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I want to say like six months ago or something
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like that. Yeah.
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But I mean, still, now you've got to get that
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younger group there that are actually getting pregnant to be aware.
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It's nice if the government says, okay, we got this.
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Now how do you make them aware? It's almost like
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you need PSA announcements, right? And maybe that's where we
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should be helping and doing more as pro-lifers, doing some
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type of PSA announcements of letting people that are pregnant
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know know that they're not alone and they can go here, there,
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or somewhere else to help, you know, because I'm not
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sure they all know.
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Yeah, that's great.
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Education, right?
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Yeah.
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Education.
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Yeah, well, like your bill. Right, exactly.
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That's what I'm getting back to, right. I was, yeah,
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I was first going after the education was like, that
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was other, you know, but now I'm thinking, I said, no, no,
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you teach them. It's like you teach them how to fish, right?
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They know how to fish for a life, right? But
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if you fish farm, you know, you're just going to
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handle one fish, call it a day. So, yeah, education
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is that important.
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Yeah. And I think I think it's in us, you know,
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that conscience. Everybody has a conscience and that God got
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put there. And I think most people, once they find
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once they realize, oh, that's a life, you don't have
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to do much more convincing. I mean, most people will say, oh, OK.
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that is a child and we, we should, we should
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try to protect them.
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And when you see actual images of the child in
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the womb, you know, you can see just after just
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a few weeks, it's an image of a being of
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a human being. I mean, it's a little miniature human
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being and it's, and like you said, you know, when
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do they feel pain? I mean, we've seen it on video,
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you know, they're poked it and the baby backs away,
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you know, because it, knows something's happened, you know, feels it. So,
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but it's amazing. It is really amazing that, you know,
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just after a few weeks that it's, it literally has
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the fingers, the toes and, you know, the arms, of course,
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the arms and the legs already, already there, you know?
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Yeah. I think even for like, I think when they do,
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they have in vivo surgery now. So like for baby
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in utero surgery. Yeah.
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OK, right.
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And I think when they do that, they actually give children,
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I want to say down to like 12 weeks or something.
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They give them anesthesia.
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Yeah, that would make sense.
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And so, yeah. So obviously the experts think that that
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child needs to be numbed at least at like 12,
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14 weeks, something like that.
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I mean, you and I know, I mean, I can
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remember back to maybe about four years old and some
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people remember back further than that. But before then, it's
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like my memory is not there. so whatever happened happened
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and I know it happened because I was told or
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I got the scar for it or something like that
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but oh yeah sure you know you know and uh
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but it's amazing that we don't remember that area I
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don't know it's why or how God does that but
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it's pretty amazing.
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Well John thank you so so much for coming on
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the show do you have any um verses or or
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any anything you'd like to share with our listeners uh well.
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You know I started thinking about that and I said
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you know what he you know There are a ton
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of verses, like I said. I mean, you could just
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look up the word womb and find something in the
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scriptures about it. But, you know, simple enough is, let
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me just share Genesis 25, 23. And the Lord said
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unto her, meaning this is talking about Rebecca, right? Isaac
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and Rebecca, she's going to have twins, right? So the
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Lord is actually speaking to Rebecca and saying to her,
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you have two nations in the womb and the two
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manners of people shall be separate from the bowels. And
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the one people shall be stronger than the other people.
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And the elder shall serve the younger. They're in the womb,
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and God already knows the manner that those two babies
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are going to be. You know, the elder is going
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to serve the younger. You know, one's going to be stronger,
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you know, than the other. God already knows this about
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the person. And they're still in the womb. They're still young.
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Yeah. You know?
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And I bring that up because we have all sorts
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of issues going on in the Middle East and stuff
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like that as well. And I mean, those are the
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two brothers. We're talking about Israel and the Arab nations.
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Those are the two brothers, our half brothers. No, not
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half brothers. They're the two brothers that go all the
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way back to Isaac.
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Wow. So, so God, so, so God attributes humanity even
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inside the world.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's, it, And that's right in Genesis, right?
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I'm the very first book in the Bible. And like
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I said, you can find hundreds and hundreds of verses
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that just shows that God knows us. He knew us.
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He knows us. He knows how we're going to be.
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Well, Representative John Sellers, so glad you could stop by
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the podcast today. Thank you for your service to New Hampshire.
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It's wonderful that we have legislators like you who have
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been standing up for life. So thank you.
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No, you're welcome. And I actually enjoy legislating. And I'm
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saying to anybody out there, you get a chance to
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do it, do it. You think you know something, you don't.
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When you become a legislator, you learn a lot. And
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I did two terms, I'm done. And I'm moving on
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and letting someone else have a chance to be a
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legislator now.
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Well, that's kind of the ideal, right? Is that like...
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I think that's one of the benefits of having the low,
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the low salary is that you can't make a career
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out of it.
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No, that's true.
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Yeah. Right.
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Right.
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If anybody wants to serve the cult is serve New Hampshire.
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That's that is one way to do it.
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It's fun. And you do learn a lot.
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Well, thank you, John. And I look forward to talking
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to you again in the future.
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All right. Thank you. Thank you for having me on it.
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Take care.
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Yep. You too.
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