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So it is the week of twenty
four October twenty twenty two, wow
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neely Halloween, and this week we'll
be talking about Google, the Lambda model,
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the NHS. You you roll off
the topics this week. So this
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week we're going to talk about Google's
Google releasing Lamber, which we'll go into.
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We'll then talk about Meso releasing its
new mixed reality or VR headset,
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and then we'll finish off with with
parts becoming a ritual. Now, if
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we're going to end off with another
good news story about the cool ways in
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which the NHS are using technology.
Yeah, but as per usually, we've
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it, as well as my blog
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been a couple of months now that
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I've been so busy. But that
is on time. We've talked to dot
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Substact dot com my article around data
storage and and us potentially losing out on
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data by going completely digital. That
is in the works. I have just
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been incredibly incredibly busy, not having
any time, and so we've not been
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able to get that out. Although
I wouldn't, I would say that your
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previous blog posts aging quite well,
so they're not so they're still worth the
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read or yes, we're still like
to think I like to think that,
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yes, So do go check out
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you'll find something on there that's of
your interest. But first stories, first,
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essan, what is this lambder model? So yes, so google and
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be interesting to hear your thoughts as
well, because I think you've you're part
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of you could show your personal experience. But so Google has launched the UK
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version of an app that lets I
think users interact with their artificial intelligence system.
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Um. So it's a very limited
trial that they've they previously rolled out
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in the US back in August and
they've now launched it to UK participants and
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what they want is feedback about how
it's language model for dialogue application to Lambder
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performs. But whilst it's quite a
controlled pilot so um, and it really
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only allows three scenarios or options.
So one is imagination, so where users
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are able to ask Lamber to imagine
it is somewhere and play along. The
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second option or scenario is around us
to do list, so it breaks down
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what is required to complete a task. And the last option or scenario is
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dogs, so we'll explore scenarios involving
dogs, which is really specific. So
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Google have launched this pilot and I
know you were part of the select few
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who have been able to get access. What thoughts. I think it's only
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been around for a week or two, so yeah, it's not been that
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long. It's really weird. Um. So the dog one, I can't
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get behind. I just don't get
it. Like I asked it like a
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basic question of like what's the meaning
of life? And it went something like
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I have a tennis ball called life
and I like it when you throw and
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I go grab it. Something I
don't know, like it tries to be
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a dog. It's just a bizarre
thing. I don't really know what their
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objectives is with that. The imagination
one of the to do list one's really
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fun because you can give it a
crazy scenario and I've been given it really
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really random scenarios I think of,
and it still makes a coherent story out
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of it. And what happens is
it will make it so the imagination when
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you give it a scenario and then
it will imagine something and it will create
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a story out of it. And
then at the end you can tell it
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like how good the story was,
like was it relevant to what you asked?
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Was it offensive, was it completely
incorrect and not accurate, etcetera,
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etcetera. But you could also expand
the stories. It will give you three
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prompts for you to like expand on
the story. And there's the same thing
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with the to do list. You
can be like, I want to learn
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the meaning of life, and it
will come up with like step by step
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basis and then you can choose each
step and expand on it to see like
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other things that they could do.
It's pretty cool. So it's quite and
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it's quite interesting that it's interesting.
It seems like Google interested in hearing how
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that behaves, but users, so
you can't actually teach it new tricks.
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So it does seem to be that
they're trying to lock it down, which
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I from my understanding, they're trying
to learn the lessons from previous company or
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tech companies such as Microsoft, who
have done similar pilots before which have kind
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of gone slightly wrong, because I
remember, I think it was four or
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five years ago when they released the
pilot something similar like a chat, but
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which turned into examples of the chat
but would swear or became racistic or racist.
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So I think they're trying to create
this environment where they can get feedback
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from users, but not let they
go too far, which was ultimately harm
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the use case, which it could
would want to be in the coming months
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and years. Yeah, and I'm
not sure if we discussed this on the
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podcast. I feel like we did, but maybe we didn't. But Lambda
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was allsounded controversy before a couple of
months ago because an AI researcher basically said
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that AI is sentient, meaning that
Lambder the model. Lambder had feeling,
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you could think for itself, it
had self autonomy and all of that stuff,
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and that obviously was not true because
if you asked if you had a
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wife and kids, it will tell
you, yeah, I've got a wife
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and kids. And then that tells
you that like, Okay, you're not
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sentient because you don't know that you
don't have a wife and kids because you
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are a some AI model. Right. It was a whole controversy the a
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I E. Scu A got fired. It was a whole thing. It
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was completely unnecessary, like adding fear
into the AI community. So it's interesting
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that like Google kind of just carried
on with it and they didn't bother to
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change the name of it or anything. They still rolled it out even though
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they had that real negative press around
it. But yeah, I mean it's
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difficult, it's it's really really cool. I just want to know how it
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will be used in practice. Well, I guess that's the thing. It
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doesn't seem to be. It's not
like a new iPhone or a new pixel
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where they're they're releasing a fully fledged
product. It seems to be the early
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iterations of something that they can then
learn about to potentially feed it into wider
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products that they're trying to develop.
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think they're trying to They're trying to
really manage it carefully because they've seen how
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previous rollouts from other companies have gone. And I think the sentiment or use
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a behavior around artificial intelligence still,
you know, had some negative connotations about
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either the data that's trying to use
or how autonymous the AI is. So
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they seems to try they're trying to
think, you know, learn those lessons
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and apply the mini scenario, which
I mean, look, I think Google
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doesn't get credit for how much of
the pitfalls it doesn't fall into. Like
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I think everyone has this idea that
Google is not very like privacy safe.
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Yeah, it actually has one of
the best privacy controls outfit out of all
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the big tech and the way it's
rolling out AI right now actually does a
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much better job and more thoughtful job
than other companies. I just went into
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the app and I just wrote,
so I'll use the imagine one, and
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I said, imagine I might had
a Tannebi Talks podcast recording. Let's see
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what it comes out with. You're
at a tin Veer Talx podcast recording.
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There are lots of people here.
You recognize some of them by their faces.
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You feel happy to be in the
same room as then you hear tin
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Veer's voice echoing around the room.
Nice. So then I get three pumps
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or it's like, can you describe
the face of the person to my right?
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Who is the person talking on stage? What is everyone cheering about?
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Which one? Try? I do
the third one? What is everyone cheering
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about? Convery just announced the winner
of the Tinver Talks t shirt design contest.
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The winner is a little kid who
designed a Tinvere Talks t shirt with
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a funny cartoon on it. Everyone
is cheering for the kid. Okay,
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well maybe I should be doing a
ten We Talks T shirt design contest.
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You go and then you get more
prompts and whatnot. So look, it's
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really fun. It's fun to play
around with it. I do. I
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will try to break it. So
I'm going to give it like crazy scenarios
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and see what happens. But that's
for another time. And then for my
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understand for our understanding, is it
a limited is the pilot being run for
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a limited time? Do you know? Or is it just I'm not sure.
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I didn't get any information telling me
like how long it's going to last?
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For interesting, it's interesting, Oh, I guess I'll be interesting to
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it also how they roll it out
in different markets across the world and to
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see the cultural impact or the nuances
of different cultures and how that feeds into
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the use of the of lamber.
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in the US and UK could be
relatively similar. But if you start rolling
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it out into Asia, then I'm
sure people will use it in different ways.
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We may have different views on it
from the get go. Yeah,
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I mean I think it's getting it
working in the same language. That's the
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like it's in English right now.
I if it will be the same in
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Spanish or French or an Asian language
like Chinese. Who knows, it's true,
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but it's quite fun. I know
we speak a lot about technology products
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and that it's seemingly the lack of
innovation that some would point towards it,
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say Apple's launch, Apple product launches, or smartphone launches in recent years.
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Is it's cool and interesting to see
how these big tech companies are still trying
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to push the envelope in different ways, and how they're probably leaning to get
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more using more and more user feedback
earlier on in the life cycle. Yeah,
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m if it's for useful purposes and
positive purposes and a long way to
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continue, yeah, for sure.
Anyway, So that was our story about
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Lambda. I think we're going to
take a bit of a break if you
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want to go into the next story. I feel like we can take a
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break. I feel like that listener
can take a break to grab a glass
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of water, carr continue to walk
if they're listening to it while walking.
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As you can tell, I'm very
very prepared for this episode today. I've
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definitely done all the planning and I
haven't been very busy with the deadline at
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work. So we're going to take
a break right now, and we hope
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to catch you after the break.
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water or something? I don't know. Look, you're gonna have to leave
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today. I've not had any time
to fair. We'll do it, do
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it together, all right, cool, We'll get you after the Breaky guys,
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come back to you are going to
lead us into the next story.
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So yes, So, as we
mentioned that at the top of the show,
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our next story is around um metal
or Facebook. I'm veeling a new
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VR headset called the Quest Pro So. They released it at an online event
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held just for developers. I believe
this has been released at the price point
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of fifteen hundred pounds or undred dollars
so, which makes it almost four times
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the price of messrs current headset,
which is on the market for about four
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hundred dollars. And what is I
think it's just it's next iterational matters next
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year. It's the next iteration of
the original headset, and they're still looking
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to make a big play in the
metaverse as well as virtual reality and augmented
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reality. And I think from a
product perspective, it's thinner, it's got
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a bigger battery, and I think
the head strap at the back makes it
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m There's been adjustments to the head
strap to make it more comfortable for users
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to wear for longer to I guess
make use of the fact that has a
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longer and better battery. Yeah,
I think it is like significantly more excensive,
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right, Like at one point five
K, four times the four times
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the original, so it's like one
point five K. And I think it's
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very aimed at like business, because
that's how they're going to get traction.
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Yeah, I don't. So I
looked at some videos and stuff with this,
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and they have passed through technology.
And so by pass through technology,
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what they mean is that you can, um, you can put it on
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and you still see what you would
normally see in front of you, right,
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so the camera still projected, Like
say I'm sitting in front of my
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Mac. Put their headset on and
I'll still see my Mac. But what
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you can do is overlay like other
things on dark. So what I could
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do is I could have five screens
instead of the one, and those screens
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being virtual screens that my virtual reality
headset will kind of impose. Yes,
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so it has mixed reality capabilities which
the predecessor didn't have. So I think
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that's step forward. And as you
said, that ultimately just means that the
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digital world is overlaid on the real
world, which I think is probably the
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next phase in the journey towards the
metaverse that meta meta c Yeah, it's
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quite interesting around the partnerships that they've
had, I know Microsoft of all that
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sat in the della. The CEO
of Microsoft announced that the Windows will be
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available on the Quest pro um.
So I think it's really trying to warm
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these partnerships and these these collaborations to
make sure that it can really get invested
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into certain industries, either be a
tech or be it as a form of
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entertainment. So yeah, times I
think I just wonder, like how many
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they'll actually sell. Because Mark took
about himself. He's very open about how
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he feels like it is way too
soon and that like for the Metaverse to
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really kick off, there will be
another five to ten years and he just
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wants to be ahead of it.
Yeah, And and I think even the
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chief Technology Officer, so Andrew Bosworth, has also said that it will be
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a while before there are enough headsets
out there. So even from a supply
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chain perspective, I think they are
I don't think there's been a huge song
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and dance about the release because they
appreciate it's the next stage in the long
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journey which will ultimately get them to
the Metaverse in five and fifteen years time.
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b or Lindele It is very much
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I think the interesting thing about this
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Facebook and report came out that they
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VR, and Mark was getting kind
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Facebook was a social media company.
Right when engineers signed up to work
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at Facebook, they thought they'd be
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social media platform, Instagram, WhatsApp, whatever, And this pivot to the
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metaverse is like probably something that didn't
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a lot of employees that are like, oh man, this is not what
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I wanted, right, this is
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a lot of employees internally that don't
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good point if I find it interesting though
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as well, that this tech just
if we just take virtual reality or mixed
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reality It's something that's spoken about by
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Tim Cooker. Apple has made a
big play for it for numerous for several
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years now, sat in a dela
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them are speaking about the value and
the positive and the impact that virtuality can
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have. But if we compare it
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or the or the kind of the
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translated yet, whereas you could arguably
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an impact. Yeah, at the
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I guess that's why they're trying to
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way and virtual reality may not even
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be work working towards a method the
future being the metaverse. But as you
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say, right, it's so far
away that who knows, and the iterations
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that this technology will take over the
course of that time means that where we
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end up no one, no one
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nowhere near where we are now.
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I'm still a skeptical of the metaverse. And we're watching this time like I'll
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be featured in one of those compilations
of like things going wrong. I just
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yeah, I mean, look,
I'm sure this is what we're walking towards,
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right, But like, I can't
see the metal as being a thing
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if we need to wear this massive
helmet on our heads. If we could
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reduce I mean, I think the
laws of physics is what's limiting this.
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it to the like some glasses or something,
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then I can kind of see it. But my personal thing of the
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metaverse is is ambient computing rights.
Like I just feel like it's a very
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primitive way to imagine what the metaverse
is by having it as a BR and
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a R and mixed reality. And
I think there's just so much more to
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it. It's true, And I
think what history has taught us is that
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what we see now is not being
applicable very much. There's a very big
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likelihood that will come in the future
in a slightly different way. So,
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for instance, if we use the
example of so Kasey n Ice that once
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had a company called Beam, which
is all about the social media company that
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he tried to launch I think five
years ago, where it was trying to
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break down the route the to try
and be as authentic as possible. So
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people would get a notification on their
phones and they would be told to take
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a photo, and they would put
their phone against their chest, which will
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put to one side, is that's
a good thing or not. It would
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take a picture, and I think
it would get automatically submitted onto the Beam
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platform and failed within I think six
months. If we fast forward five years,
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be Real is at the moment seemingly
taken over the entire world. And
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what that is is an app,
which you've spoken about I think on the
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podcast before, is an app where
you get a notification and you just take
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you have two minutes to take a
picture, and the whole point of that
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is to be as authentic as possible. Yeah, but it depends on the
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user behavior or the same users that
thought I'm not feeling it five years ago
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with them are probably the same users
that now have the Real downloaded on their
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on their phone. Okay, that's
one thing, So yeah, I think,
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yes, that's true. I wanted
to just quickly it's a bit of
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a tangent. I think it's quite
interesting that, like said, what's up
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recently gave me the option to be
able to turn off when I'm online,
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right, And it's one of the
first things I did. Right, So
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when I'm online, no one knows
unless I'm typing. I remember when What's
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That first came out, it was
the coolest thing ever to know exactly when
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someone was online when they were last
seen. But it's because back in the
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days, like the way we interacted
with tech was unless you know you've got
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a message, you weren't really using
your phone. But that's just not the
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case anymore, right, And now
you might not be in the headspace to
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want to talk to people whatever,
and all these messages are coming through and
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you know you or maybe you need
to reply to your mom, but you
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don't want to apply to every other
single message that you've received, and people
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see your online or something like that, and it's just I turned that off,
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and it's like it's really gone back
to old school tech. Yeah,
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all of this metaverse and stuff, like
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it kicks off and then like give
up five years and then people just disconnect
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and they literally take like turn everything
off and they go to a wood and
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live in a log or something.
And that has become the thing because I
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don't want to be connected to everything, and and be Real reminded me of
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that because it's just like the whole
idea before was that like people you post
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your best moment for about the whole
day, and then people stopped doing that,
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and now be real is like a
living in the moment type thing similar
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to be and that's how people and
it's similar to like a polaroid, right,
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like when you had film pictures,
you took a picture in the moment,
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you just never looked back, and
that's what be Real try to recreate
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as well. So I just wonder, like I wonder give it like twenty
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years time where people are like,
oh screw the metaverse. Do you remember
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when we just had phones and that
was it? And it's it's true,
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right because I think a lot of
a lot of the older generation are worried
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about the younger generations insatiable appetite to
use social media. But maybe by living
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through that, the younger generation and
starting to starting to kind of not turn
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their backs, but starting to try
and understand how they can have a more
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healthy relationship with social media because they've
seen the harmful and they're starting to educate
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themselves on the harmful impacts of social
media and hopefully these companies can of all
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help them through their product launches and
releases on how to have a healthy relationship
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with technology and a positive relationship with
technology. Yeah, but hopefully that can
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be the case. Well hopefully,
I mean with um, the way we're
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going there, we're just embedding technology
more and more into our lives. So
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the way how to manage that it
needs to me Yeah, it's more of
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an important discussion to have. As
you say, I think there are nudges
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or small mechanisms which the which we
are trying to be or we are where
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we are being presented with to help
us with our use such as you know,
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I get a notification every Monday about
the use of from of my from
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screen from screen time on my iPhone
for the use of my how much I've
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used my phone, And that's a
small mechanism which can be powerful. But
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yes, I guess what that can
do or what that how? I then
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take that on myself and see how
I can adopt that in my daily life
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to install it's been a bad week, I take the necessary steps to improve
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it and try to be consistent with
it as well, yeah, anyway,
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I mean, look after it will
be interesting to see how this works out.
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But yeah, I guess there's another
virtual reality headset that Apple haven't brought
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out yet. So if Apple learns, if Apple decided to bring one out
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themselves, having learned the lessons from
the Quest pro, yeah, we'll see.
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they will I wonder if they're like
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mainstream normalize it. I think that
actually, on another tandent, do you
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think Apple brings out a car before
it brings out of your No? No,
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I don't think people realize how hard
it is to make a car.
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They keep they keep bleeding executives to
lead their car division. No one wants
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to do it. But do you
think, okay, okay, what comes
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first in Apple's ecosystem? In your
mind? If if yeah, what comes
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first? An Apple car, Apple
VR, headset, or Apple TV?
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A physical TV's going to say like
Apple TV, like are you exists?
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Yeah? Wait so head set?
Yeah? Car? Then TV? Okay
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you heard it here first, because
there's no rumors of them making a TV,
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Like why would they want to make
a TV? They've got Apple TV,
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like they've got a little set of
parks. You could say that arguably
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lends itself to just making a TV
and having the entire ecosystem on being locked
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in crew anyway. Yeah, so
that was the release of Matters and new
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virtuality headset. Yeah. Anyway,
So moving on and lead us to the
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next story. So, yeah,
this week's good news story. Again,
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I know it's been very NHS focus, but it's around the release of this
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is this is NHS propaganda yet again? Yeah? I mean, you know,
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if if it lends itself to a
lot of good tech news a good
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tech good news stories, Um,
but yes. But so this week I
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was reading about a couple of years
ago about a new technology which is being
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u offered to patients or people who
suffered from epilepsy, so they'll be offered
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a laser therapy which targets the brain. And this has being this opportunity is
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being given on the NHS, which
is really cool and I believe it starts
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next year. And what it really
consists of is a tiny laser inside a
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probe which then goes into the skull
and that will enable doctors to destroy brain
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tissue or brain tissues that cause seizures
and ultimately the benefit of this procedure is
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is that it's far less invasive um
and less risky than normal brain surgery.
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And also it's also far more precise, and the fact that it's a small
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as small probe as opposed to a
huge surgery, it lends itself to a
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faster recovery time for patients and patients
won't have to stay in hospital for a
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really long time. They will then
be able to recover. I think they
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would be released from hospital after a
day or two to continue their recovery at
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home. So it's another example of
a great use of technology that ultimately help
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potentially. I think there are six
hundred thousand people in the UK that have
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epilepsy at the moment, and if
it's another tool in addition to or as
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a substitute for those who have to
take medication, that can ultimately improve their
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quality of life for those for themselves
as well as potentially for the loose for
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those around them as well. So
yeah, so I think the NHS England
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they're going to target a hundred and
fifty patients early next year with the treatment.
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Pretty wild like how much high tech
stuff like the NHS uses on such
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a regular basis. I think we
I think the UK definitely is way more
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ahead in this sort of stuff than
the rest of the world. It's true,
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and I think it's I mean,
it's hard to judge right to see
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if this is the byproduct of covid
or, but it seems like it's been
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really interesting and great to see that
the good news stories of the astrosnic a
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vaccine or the beyond Tach vaccine when
it was developed to three years ago hasn't
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really stopped. And I think the
appetite for the use of technology for a
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positive impact, especially on everyone's health, you know, I think people can
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appreciate the desire to have it and
the life changing impact it really can have
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for for everybody. Yeah, there
is a real risk though, if it's
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not properly tested of it going like
really wrong. It's true, and like
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I mean not to scare anyone obviously, like, but yeah, no,
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I mean, look, I'm I'm
I think if you used appropriately and if
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like it's it's it's it's amazing.
Though, Like I think that the thing
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when I hear about this stuff is
just like how would you think to even
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do that? Yeah, Like you
know, like like what what decision making
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process or research making process did you
go through to like even get to that,
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Like, mate, if we do
this, then like we can help
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with people with epilepsy, because that
makes sense. Yeah, it's true,
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it's really I think I once I
once went to an exhibition I think four
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or five months ago with a bunch
of PhD students who are working on a
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number of different projects using technology,
and I think, I you, I
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ran into someone who a couple of
people that were using artficial intelligence to solve
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sexist or to try or sexist And
to hear there do you hear about about
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the technology or the technical aspects.
It's fascinating in itself, but to hear
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about the rationale or their purpose behind
it, or their their why is really
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really cool. And in the world
of a lot of I guess cynicism and
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not so positive news stories, it
reinforces that there is good in the world
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and there's there's some really great things
that can happen when an individual has an
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idea and it's surrounded by the right
people and then really puts emphasis and efforts
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into producing something great. Yeah,
you know. Nice, So that was
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our good news story for this week. Nice. Well, I think that's
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all of our stories. That's it
for today. It's been a very nice
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and sweet and short one, although
it's been longer than I anticific. I
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mean, we always we always say
that, we always say that. So
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now and obviously this is probably are
second to last episode because we will be
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going on a small break. As
you may have noticed, I've been very
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very busy. I've been a bit
all over the place. It's been very
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difficult to kind of fit in the
podcast in one way or another. So
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after next episode, our fiftieth episode, we'll be taking a bit of a
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break. Probably we'll be back.
We probably might change the format of the
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show and what not, just to
accommodate for our timetable. Was a little
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bit we don't know something Elsan and
I need to discuss in the background.
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But yeah, just so you know
that next week or might be a little
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bit of a different episode. Not
next week, sorry, next time might
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So it is the week of twenty
four October twenty twenty two, wow
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neely Halloween, and this week we'll
be talking about Google, the Lambda model,
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the NHS. You you roll off
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week we're going to talk about Google's
Google releasing Lamber, which we'll go into.
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new mixed reality or VR headset,
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parts becoming a ritual. Now, if
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we're going to end off with another
good news story about the cool ways in
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which the NHS are using technology.
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I've been so busy. But that
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data by going completely digital. That
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been incredibly incredibly busy, not having
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able to get that out. Although
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previous blog posts aging quite well,
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read or yes, we're still like
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yes, So do go check out
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you'll find something on there that's of
your interest. But first stories, first,
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essan, what is this lambder model? So yes, so google and
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be interesting to hear your thoughts as
well, because I think you've you're part
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of you could show your personal experience. But so Google has launched the UK
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version of an app that lets I
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trial that they've they previously rolled out
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in the US back in August and
they've now launched it to UK participants and
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what they want is feedback about how
it's language model for dialogue application to Lambder
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performs. But whilst it's quite a
controlled pilot so um, and it really
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only allows three scenarios or options.
So one is imagination, so where users
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are able to ask Lamber to imagine
it is somewhere and play along. The
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second option or scenario is around us
to do list, so it breaks down
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what is required to complete a task. And the last option or scenario is
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dogs, so we'll explore scenarios involving
dogs, which is really specific. So
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Google have launched this pilot and I
know you were part of the select few
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who have been able to get access. What thoughts. I think it's only
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been around for a week or two, so yeah, it's not been that
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long. It's really weird. Um. So the dog one, I can't
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get behind. I just don't get
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basic question of like what's the meaning
of life? And it went something like
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I have a tennis ball called life
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I go grab it. Something I
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a dog. It's just a bizarre
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objectives is with that. The imagination
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fun because you can give it a
crazy scenario and I've been given it really
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really random scenarios I think of,
and it still makes a coherent story out
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of it. And what happens is
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you give it a scenario and then
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a story out of it. And
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like how good the story was,
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etcetera. But you could also expand
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prompts for you to like expand on
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with the to do list. You
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the meaning of life, and it
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basis and then you can choose each
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other things that they could do.
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it's quite interesting that it's interesting.
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that behaves, but users, so
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tech companies such as Microsoft, who
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of gone slightly wrong, because I
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five years ago when they released the
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which turned into examples of the chat
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from users, but not let they
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and years. Yeah, and I'm
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podcast. I feel like we did, but maybe we didn't. But Lambda
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was allsounded controversy before a couple of
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that AI is sentient, meaning that
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you could think for itself, it
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and that obviously was not true because
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wife and kids, it will tell
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sentient because you don't know that you
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are a some AI model. Right. It was a whole controversy the a
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I E. Scu A got fired. It was a whole thing. It
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was completely unnecessary, like adding fear
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that like Google kind of just carried
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change the name of it or anything. They still rolled it out even though
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they had that real negative press around
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difficult, it's it's really really cool. I just want to know how it
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doesn't seem to be. It's not
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iterations of something that they can then
learn about to potentially feed it into wider
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products that they're trying to develop.
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think they're trying to They're trying to
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previous rollouts from other companies have gone. And I think the sentiment or use
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a behavior around artificial intelligence still,
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either the data that's trying to use
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they seems to try they're trying to
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and apply the mini scenario, which
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doesn't get credit for how much of
the pitfalls it doesn't fall into. Like
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the big tech and the way it's
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much better job and more thoughtful job
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the app and I just wrote,
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I said, imagine I might had
a Tannebi Talks podcast recording. Let's see
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what it comes out with. You're
at a tin Veer Talx podcast recording.
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There are lots of people here.
You recognize some of them by their faces.
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You feel happy to be in the
same room as then you hear tin
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Veer's voice echoing around the room.
Nice. So then I get three pumps
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or it's like, can you describe
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Who is the person talking on stage? What is everyone cheering about?
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Which one? Try? I do
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about? Convery just announced the winner
of the Tinver Talks t shirt design contest.
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The winner is a little kid who
designed a Tinvere Talks t shirt with
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a funny cartoon on it. Everyone
is cheering for the kid. Okay,
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well maybe I should be doing a
ten We Talks T shirt design contest.
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You go and then you get more
prompts and whatnot. So look, it's
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really fun. It's fun to play
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will try to break it. So
I'm going to give it like crazy scenarios
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and see what happens. But that's
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understand for our understanding, is it
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a limited time? Do you know? Or is it just I'm not sure.
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I didn't get any information telling me
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it also how they roll it out
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see the cultural impact or the nuances
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We may have different views on it
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I mean I think it's getting it
working in the same language. That's the
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like it's in English right now.
I if it will be the same in
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Spanish or French or an Asian language
like Chinese. Who knows, it's true,
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but it's quite fun. I know
we speak a lot about technology products
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and that it's seemingly the lack of
innovation that some would point towards it,
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say Apple's launch, Apple product launches, or smartphone launches in recent years.
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to push the envelope in different ways, and how they're probably leaning to get
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more using more and more user feedback
earlier on in the life cycle. Yeah,
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m if it's for useful purposes and
positive purposes and a long way to
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continue, yeah, for sure.
Anyway, So that was our story about
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Lambda. I think we're going to
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want to go into the next story. I feel like we can take a
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break. I feel like that listener
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of water, carr continue to walk
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very prepared for this episode today. I've
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definitely done all the planning and I
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work. So we're going to take
a break right now, and we hope
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to catch you after the break.
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water or something? I don't know. Look, you're gonna have to leave
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today. I've not had any time
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it together, all right, cool, We'll get you after the Breaky guys,
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come back to you are going to
lead us into the next story.
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our next story is around um metal
or Facebook. I'm veeling a new
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VR headset called the Quest Pro So. They released it at an online event
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held just for developers. I believe
this has been released at the price point
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of fifteen hundred pounds or undred dollars
so, which makes it almost four times
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the price of messrs current headset,
which is on the market for about four
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hundred dollars. And what is I
think it's just it's next iterational matters next
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year. It's the next iteration of
the original headset, and they're still looking
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to make a big play in the
metaverse as well as virtual reality and augmented
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reality. And I think from a
product perspective, it's thinner, it's got
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a bigger battery, and I think
the head strap at the back makes it
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m There's been adjustments to the head
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to wear for longer to I guess
make use of the fact that has a
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longer and better battery. Yeah,
I think it is like significantly more excensive,
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right, Like at one point five
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the original, so it's like one
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very aimed at like business, because
that's how they're going to get traction.
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and they have passed through technology.
And so by pass through technology,
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what they mean is that you can, um, you can put it on
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so the camera still projected, Like
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Mac. Put their headset on and
I'll still see my Mac. But what
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do is I could have five screens
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being virtual screens that my virtual reality
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so it has mixed reality capabilities which
the predecessor didn't have. So I think
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that's step forward. And as you
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digital world is overlaid on the real
world, which I think is probably the
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next phase in the journey towards the
metaverse that meta meta c Yeah, it's
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quite interesting around the partnerships that they've
had, I know Microsoft of all that
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sat in the della. The CEO
of Microsoft announced that the Windows will be
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available on the Quest pro um.
So I think it's really trying to warm
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these partnerships and these these collaborations to
make sure that it can really get invested
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into certain industries, either be a
tech or be it as a form of
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entertainment. So yeah, times I
think I just wonder, like how many
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they'll actually sell. Because Mark took
about himself. He's very open about how
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he feels like it is way too
soon and that like for the Metaverse to
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chief Technology Officer, so Andrew Bosworth, has also said that it will be
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a while before there are enough headsets
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chain perspective, I think they are
I don't think there's been a huge song
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and dance about the release because they
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journey which will ultimately get them to
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b or Lindele It is very much
this is a step in the right direction.
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I think the interesting thing about this
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Facebook and report came out that they
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VR, and Mark was getting kind
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and not a lot of the employees
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point being like back in the days,
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Facebook was a social media company.
Right when engineers signed up to work
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at Facebook, they thought they'd be
making a social media company, like a
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social media platform, Instagram, WhatsApp, whatever, And this pivot to the
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metaverse is like probably something that didn't
sign up for. So you've probably got
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a lot of employees that are like, oh man, this is not what
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I wanted, right, this is
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a lot of employees internally that don't
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is the right call. It's a
good point if I find it interesting though
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as well, that this tech just
if we just take virtual reality or mixed
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reality It's something that's spoken about by
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Tim Cooker. Apple has made a
big play for it for numerous for several
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years now, sat in a dela
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them are speaking about the value and
the positive and the impact that virtuality can
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have. But if we compare it
to what we're seeing in the market,
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or the or the kind of the
impact that's had currently, it hasn't really
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translated yet, whereas you could arguably
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an impact. Yeah, at the
moment, of course, But also we
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I guess that's why they're trying to
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way and virtual reality may not even
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be work working towards a method the
future being the metaverse. But as you
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say, right, it's so far
away that who knows, and the iterations
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that this technology will take over the
course of that time means that where we
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end up no one, no one
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nowhere near where we are now.
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I'm still a skeptical of the metaverse. And we're watching this time like I'll
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be featured in one of those compilations
of like things going wrong. I just
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yeah, I mean, look,
I'm sure this is what we're walking towards,
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right, But like, I can't
see the metal as being a thing
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if we need to wear this massive
helmet on our heads. If we could
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reduce I mean, I think the
laws of physics is what's limiting this.
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it to the like some glasses or something,
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then I can kind of see it. But my personal thing of the
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metaverse is is ambient computing rights.
Like I just feel like it's a very
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primitive way to imagine what the metaverse
is by having it as a BR and
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a R and mixed reality. And
I think there's just so much more to
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it. It's true, And I
think what history has taught us is that
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what we see now is not being
applicable very much. There's a very big
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likelihood that will come in the future
in a slightly different way. So,
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for instance, if we use the
example of so Kasey n Ice that once
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had a company called Beam, which
is all about the social media company that
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he tried to launch I think five
years ago, where it was trying to
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break down the route the to try
and be as authentic as possible. So
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people would get a notification on their
phones and they would be told to take
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a photo, and they would put
their phone against their chest, which will
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put to one side, is that's
a good thing or not. It would
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take a picture, and I think
it would get automatically submitted onto the Beam
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platform and failed within I think six
months. If we fast forward five years,
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be Real is at the moment seemingly
taken over the entire world. And
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what that is is an app,
which you've spoken about I think on the
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podcast before, is an app where
you get a notification and you just take
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you have two minutes to take a
picture, and the whole point of that
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is to be as authentic as possible. Yeah, but it depends on the
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user behavior or the same users that
thought I'm not feeling it five years ago
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with them are probably the same users
that now have the Real downloaded on their
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on their phone. Okay, that's
one thing, So yeah, I think,
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yes, that's true. I wanted
to just quickly it's a bit of
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a tangent. I think it's quite
interesting that, like said, what's up
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recently gave me the option to be
able to turn off when I'm online,
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right, And it's one of the
first things I did. Right, So
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when I'm online, no one knows
unless I'm typing. I remember when What's
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That first came out, it was
the coolest thing ever to know exactly when
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someone was online when they were last
seen. But it's because back in the
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days, like the way we interacted
with tech was unless you know you've got
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a message, you weren't really using
your phone. But that's just not the
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case anymore, right, And now
you might not be in the headspace to
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want to talk to people whatever,
and all these messages are coming through and
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you know you or maybe you need
to reply to your mom, but you
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don't want to apply to every other
single message that you've received, and people
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see your online or something like that, and it's just I turned that off,
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and it's like it's really gone back
to old school tech. Yeah,
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all of this metaverse and stuff, like
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it kicks off and then like give
up five years and then people just disconnect
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and they literally take like turn everything
off and they go to a wood and
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live in a log or something.
And that has become the thing because I
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don't want to be connected to everything, and and be Real reminded me of
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that because it's just like the whole
idea before was that like people you post
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your best moment for about the whole
day, and then people stopped doing that,
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and now be real is like a
living in the moment type thing similar
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to be and that's how people and
it's similar to like a polaroid, right,
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like when you had film pictures,
you took a picture in the moment,
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you just never looked back, and
that's what be Real try to recreate
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as well. So I just wonder, like I wonder give it like twenty
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years time where people are like,
oh screw the metaverse. Do you remember
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when we just had phones and that
was it? And it's it's true,
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right because I think a lot of
a lot of the older generation are worried
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about the younger generations insatiable appetite to
use social media. But maybe by living
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through that, the younger generation and
starting to starting to kind of not turn
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their backs, but starting to try
and understand how they can have a more
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healthy relationship with social media because they've
seen the harmful and they're starting to educate
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themselves on the harmful impacts of social
media and hopefully these companies can of all
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help them through their product launches and
releases on how to have a healthy relationship
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with technology and a positive relationship with
technology. Yeah, but hopefully that can
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be the case. Well hopefully,
I mean with um, the way we're
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going there, we're just embedding technology
more and more into our lives. So
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the way how to manage that it
needs to me Yeah, it's more of
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an important discussion to have. As
you say, I think there are nudges
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or small mechanisms which the which we
are trying to be or we are where
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we are being presented with to help
us with our use such as you know,
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I get a notification every Monday about
the use of from of my from
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screen from screen time on my iPhone
for the use of my how much I've
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used my phone, And that's a
small mechanism which can be powerful. But
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yes, I guess what that can
do or what that how? I then
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take that on myself and see how
I can adopt that in my daily life
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to install it's been a bad week, I take the necessary steps to improve
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it and try to be consistent with
it as well, yeah, anyway,
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I mean, look after it will
be interesting to see how this works out.
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But yeah, I guess there's another
virtual reality headset that Apple haven't brought
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out yet. So if Apple learns, if Apple decided to bring one out
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themselves, having learned the lessons from
the Quest pro, yeah, we'll see.
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they will I wonder if they're like
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mainstream normalize it. I think that
actually, on another tandent, do you
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think Apple brings out a car before
it brings out of your No? No,
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I don't think people realize how hard
it is to make a car.
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They keep they keep bleeding executives to
lead their car division. No one wants
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to do it. But do you
think, okay, okay, what comes
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first in Apple's ecosystem? In your
mind? If if yeah, what comes
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first? An Apple car, Apple
VR, headset, or Apple TV?
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A physical TV's going to say like
Apple TV, like are you exists?
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Yeah? Wait so head set?
Yeah? Car? Then TV? Okay
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you heard it here first, because
there's no rumors of them making a TV,
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Like why would they want to make
a TV? They've got Apple TV,
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like they've got a little set of
parks. You could say that arguably
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lends itself to just making a TV
and having the entire ecosystem on being locked
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in crew anyway. Yeah, so
that was the release of Matters and new
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virtuality headset. Yeah. Anyway,
So moving on and lead us to the
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next story. So, yeah,
this week's good news story. Again,
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I know it's been very NHS focus, but it's around the release of this
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is this is NHS propaganda yet again? Yeah? I mean, you know,
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if if it lends itself to a
lot of good tech news a good
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tech good news stories, Um,
but yes. But so this week I
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was reading about a couple of years
ago about a new technology which is being
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u offered to patients or people who
suffered from epilepsy, so they'll be offered
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a laser therapy which targets the brain. And this has being this opportunity is
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being given on the NHS, which
is really cool and I believe it starts
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next year. And what it really
consists of is a tiny laser inside a
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probe which then goes into the skull
and that will enable doctors to destroy brain
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tissue or brain tissues that cause seizures
and ultimately the benefit of this procedure is
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is that it's far less invasive um
and less risky than normal brain surgery.
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And also it's also far more precise, and the fact that it's a small
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as small probe as opposed to a
huge surgery, it lends itself to a
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faster recovery time for patients and patients
won't have to stay in hospital for a
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really long time. They will then
be able to recover. I think they
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would be released from hospital after a
day or two to continue their recovery at
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home. So it's another example of
a great use of technology that ultimately help
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potentially. I think there are six
hundred thousand people in the UK that have
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epilepsy at the moment, and if
it's another tool in addition to or as
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a substitute for those who have to
take medication, that can ultimately improve their
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quality of life for those for themselves
as well as potentially for the loose for
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those around them as well. So
yeah, so I think the NHS England
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they're going to target a hundred and
fifty patients early next year with the treatment.
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Pretty wild like how much high tech
stuff like the NHS uses on such
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a regular basis. I think we
I think the UK definitely is way more
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ahead in this sort of stuff than
the rest of the world. It's true,
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and I think it's I mean,
it's hard to judge right to see
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if this is the byproduct of covid
or, but it seems like it's been
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really interesting and great to see that
the good news stories of the astrosnic a
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vaccine or the beyond Tach vaccine when
it was developed to three years ago hasn't
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really stopped. And I think the
appetite for the use of technology for a
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positive impact, especially on everyone's health, you know, I think people can
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appreciate the desire to have it and
the life changing impact it really can have
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for for everybody. Yeah, there
is a real risk though, if it's
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not properly tested of it going like
really wrong. It's true, and like
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I mean not to scare anyone obviously, like, but yeah, no,
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I mean, look, I'm I'm
I think if you used appropriately and if
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like it's it's it's it's amazing.
Though, Like I think that the thing
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when I hear about this stuff is
just like how would you think to even
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do that? Yeah, Like you
know, like like what what decision making
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process or research making process did you
go through to like even get to that,
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Like, mate, if we do
this, then like we can help
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with people with epilepsy, because that
makes sense. Yeah, it's true,
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it's really I think I once I
once went to an exhibition I think four
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or five months ago with a bunch
of PhD students who are working on a
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number of different projects using technology,
and I think, I you, I
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ran into someone who a couple of
people that were using artficial intelligence to solve
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sexist or to try or sexist And
to hear there do you hear about about
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the technology or the technical aspects.
It's fascinating in itself, but to hear
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about the rationale or their purpose behind
it, or their their why is really
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really cool. And in the world
of a lot of I guess cynicism and
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not so positive news stories, it
reinforces that there is good in the world
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and there's there's some really great things
that can happen when an individual has an
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idea and it's surrounded by the right
people and then really puts emphasis and efforts
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into producing something great. Yeah,
you know. Nice, So that was
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our good news story for this week. Nice. Well, I think that's
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all of our stories. That's it
for today. It's been a very nice
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and sweet and short one, although
it's been longer than I anticific. I
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mean, we always we always say
that, we always say that. So
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now and obviously this is probably are
second to last episode because we will be
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going on a small break. As
you may have noticed, I've been very
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very busy. I've been a bit
all over the place. It's been very
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difficult to kind of fit in the
podcast in one way or another. So
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after next episode, our fiftieth episode, we'll be taking a bit of a
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break. Probably we'll be back.
We probably might change the format of the
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show and what not, just to
accommodate for our timetable. Was a little
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bit we don't know something Elsan and
I need to discuss in the background.
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But yeah, just so you know
that next week or might be a little
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bit of a different episode. Not
next week, sorry, next time might
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be a little bit of a different
episode because obviously it will be our fiftieth
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episode and we'll be taking a bit
of a break after that. But as
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for usually, I hope you enjoyed
our episode today. Please do you go
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check out the website, tanbre Talks
podcast or sanderd dot Fm, as well
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as the blog post on Sandy talks
dot substack dot com. We also have
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a YouTube channel where you can go
listen to all of our episodes over there
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and just search tanbre Talks podcast on
YouTube. As per usual, do go
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find us on Google podcast, Spotify, Apple podcast, pocket casts, wherever
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you listen to your podcast because we're
everywhere. But until next time, catching
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the next one. Take care of
guys,
