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Robin Dean: In this episode, we get compressed by questions from the wild,
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Robin Dean: difficult choices, jeez, the AGB, and we're going to call him William Dunlop,
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Robin Dean: okay? Because I don't want any trouble.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what that means. I will find out.
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Robin Dean: Opening announcements, news corrections, banter announcements.
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Robin Dean: Big comment from SC in Brisbane, Australia.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, wow.
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Robin Dean: Just wanted to take the time out to let you know I thoroughly enjoyed the ruckus.
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Robin Dean: He's talking about Robbins Road ruckus. This is not the podcast playlist that
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Robin Dean: It is located at radio.tro.bike.
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Robin Dean: That's our playlist where we talk about random song in a minute and plop that into an episode.
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Robin Dean: It's actually my playlist on title, Robin's Road Ruckus, which is linked at
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Robin Dean: the bottom of every article I write for the website.
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Robin Dean: Yada, yada, yada, sis, boom, bah. I will say he's got some cool bikes, though.
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Robin Dean: He's got a BMW S1000XR, a WR250R, KTM 640 Adventure that he's working on.
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Robin Dean: Very cool. Thank you for the compliment, SC. Appreciate you.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: I don't have a random song in the minute. Again, do you?
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Brian Wringer: I got nothing. Last time I recommended a cat video. Are you in the cult of Gumbus now?
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Robin Dean: I'm not doing this. No. I looked one time and then I was like,
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Robin Dean: okay, okay. Now I know what that is.
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Brian Wringer: All right, fine.
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Robin Dean: That is a really great thing to talk about for a split second.
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Robin Dean: And then it's all about demographics. Demographics, man.
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Brian Wringer: Cats are good pets for motorcyclists because they can hang out by themselves
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Brian Wringer: for a while. So you can be gone for a couple of days.
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Robin Dean: And they'll be a little pissed off.
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Brian Wringer: It's a stretch. It's a stretch, but it relates.
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Robin Dean: I'll pull this one out. Peter Gabriel's rendition of David Bowie's Heroes.
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Brian Wringer: Perfect. Nice.
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Robin Dean: If you get a chance to hear the live version, that's amazing.
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Robin Dean: But the studio cut's really nice, too. It's just so well done, so respectful.
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Robin Dean: And honestly, if you're riding in beautiful territory, it is a zen tune.
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Brian Wringer: Not one that'll cause you to go 130 miles an hour.
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Robin Dean: More like in between the places where you would go 130 miles per hour.
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Brian Wringer: You will flow and time will pass and you won't experience it.
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Brian Wringer: You'll be in that moment. I like it.
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Robin Dean: By the end of the song, you might be going 130 miles an hour, though.
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Robin Dean: I challenge you to listen to the song with your eyes closed for the duration.
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Robin Dean: Just be like, wait a minute. No, I, oops, my right hand. Accidents.
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Robin Dean: Also, there's this great station. Some of these things I see on Instagram just crack me up, man.
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Robin Dean: What? No way. spelled N-O-O-O-W-A-A-A-Y. Okay, this guy's fantastic.
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Robin Dean: Now he starts off purely Minnesotan or Canadian.
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Robin Dean: It's little things that he sees people do on Instagram or on videos on YouTube
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Robin Dean: for automotive reasons.
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Robin Dean: And then he's just like, come on, I've been doing this
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Robin Dean: in some other way all my life that's a pain in the ass. And I could just do
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Robin Dean: this. And in this one, he takes tube fuses.
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Brian Wringer: The glass tube fuses, right? Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Places them on a smartphone. And you can test if it's good or not by whether
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Robin Dean: or not it conducts your signal from your finger to the numbers on your dialer.
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Robin Dean: Immediately, you can hear, I can hear him already. But no way. Come on, really?
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Robin Dean: And he learns it. And it's great. The one I saw before this was something involving a fork.
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Robin Dean: Take an old fork and you stick it between two things you're trying to hold in
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Robin Dean: place on a on a car you bend the fork around it and twist it over and then you've
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Robin Dean: got constant access to this otherwise enormous pain in the ass it may have been
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Robin Dean: a spring clip or something like that okay
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Robin Dean: just bent a fork and hooked it up i was like yeah great channel so shout out
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Robin Dean: that would be a fun guy to have on the show that's something i want to work
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Robin Dean: on more if i can get more proactive about reaching out to people we'll have
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Robin Dean: more interesting people you got gonna hang you
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Brian Wringer: And i can hang out with them. Yeah, just have a good time.
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Robin Dean: Anyway, that's all I got going on. I haven't ridden. I've been working on things
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Robin Dean: that have nothing to do with motorcycling constantly.
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Robin Dean: And Maggie Dean is away in St. Louis. Shout out to Maggie and her father,
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Robin Dean: who is recovering from a cancer-related surgery. Shout out to him.
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Robin Dean: Get well soon. We love you. All right. Brian, how are you doing, man? What's up?
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Brian Wringer: I'm good. Rode for about two hours a day, but I really meant to ride for about 45 minutes.
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Brian Wringer: It just turned out that somebody hit a gas line on the interstate and it was all closed.
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Brian Wringer: Took a lot longer to get there and back than I intended. But on the way back,
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Brian Wringer: I headed up to Hamlin County and was able to basically rail roundabouts all
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Brian Wringer: the way back. So that's always fun.
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Brian Wringer: Stupid, but it's fun. Stupid fun. Got the fork seals done on my bike.
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Brian Wringer: Found out the steering sim bearings were notchy, so I replaced those two as well.
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Brian Wringer: They seem to be sealing, seem to be steering. Everything's good.
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Brian Wringer: Pretty much ready to head to the Smokies in two weeks.
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Robin Dean: Yes!
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Brian Wringer: Gonna be good.
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Robin Dean: I'm happy for you.
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Brian Wringer: So now I'm debating the eternal debate is to whether to throw on new tires or
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Brian Wringer: can I get about a thousand miles out of these tires that are on the bike?
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Brian Wringer: It's like, damn it. It's the eternal problem. It's never clear cut.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. Like how long have you really thought about it? If you look at it,
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Robin Dean: do you see what you need? We're talking to, why don't you just bring an extra
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Robin Dean: set? Your trailer in there?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. Trailer there. Bring the extra set. You can always do that over whiskey and wrong. Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Do it in the parking lot again yeah,
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Brian Wringer: I'll do some math and tread depth and figure it out, whatever.
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Brian Wringer: And got a conference in Ohio next week, which is...
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Robin Dean: Very good. Well, you can make an excuse of that. What you cannot ride there?
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Brian Wringer: Right. I need to take all of our display and giveaways and all that crap.
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Brian Wringer: So I need to... I need cargo room.
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Robin Dean: You could always mail it.
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Brian Wringer: Too late.
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Robin Dean: Okay, fine, fine, fine.
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Brian Wringer: It's Columbus, Ohio. Not that interesting to get there from here.
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Robin Dean: I'm from there. And there's all kinds of interesting ways to get there.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of assholes around Columbus.
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Brian Wringer: From Indianapolis, there's no way to get to Columbus that's any fun unless you
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Brian Wringer: really dip south and take all day at it.
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Robin Dean: That is fair.
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Brian Wringer: Straight east for three hours. Do not deviate. Not much fun.
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Robin Dean: Are you ready for some questions from the wild?
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Brian Wringer: I am ready for questions from the wild.
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Robin Dean: Listeners all around, if you'd like us to field your questions,
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Robin Dean: visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Robin Dean: EB asks, is this a good compression test on this used engine?
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Robin Dean: Posts video taken by a spider monkey on crack with no sound.
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Robin Dean: There was a motorcycle engine in there somewhere. What else does it say, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: The guy had this god-awful video of a compression test. I think it was, I don't know.
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Robin Dean: Are these my toenails?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, werewolf toenails. No. So you had this compression test,
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Brian Wringer: and the video didn't go along long enough.
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Brian Wringer: It tested one cylinder. You couldn't see anything.
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Brian Wringer: There was no sound. You couldn't hear what was... Anyway, but it reminded me,
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Brian Wringer: a lot of people don't know much about compression tests.
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Brian Wringer: So I thought I'd really quick go into compression test, how to do a good one,
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Brian Wringer: how to do a bad one, and how to film one.
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Brian Wringer: That's up to you, but try to get somebody else to hold the phone.
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Robin Dean: How to film anything better than what this... Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Put the phone somewhere stable.
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Robin Dean: Here is slightly half of the information for each component of this question
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Robin Dean: that you need and nowhere near enough for me to be properly asking a question.
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Brian Wringer: In the vintage motorcycle world, I've seen a lot of people do a lot of unnecessary
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Brian Wringer: work and scrap a lot of engines that should be fine because they did a compression
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Brian Wringer: test and it came out bad at low compression.
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Brian Wringer: And so they got rid of the engine or they started ripping the engine open.
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Brian Wringer: It's like, whoa, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. It's a simple test.
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Brian Wringer: Screw a fitting into the spark plug hole and you crank the engine and you see
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Brian Wringer: how much pressure it builds up. and it's pretty simple.
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Brian Wringer: But the problem is there are a lot of steps along the way, so you got to make
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Brian Wringer: sure you're not leaking air and you have to make sure that you kind of understand how the spec works.
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Brian Wringer: Every engine has a different spec and it'll be in the shop manual.
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Brian Wringer: The range that is acceptable for the compression reading you get.
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Brian Wringer: Like on a higher compression engine, it might be 155 to 175 PSI.
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Brian Wringer: It might be the specification.
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Brian Wringer: Or modern engines might go even higher. You know, it might be up to 195 PSI, something like that.
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Brian Wringer: And that basically means when the engine comes down, both the valves are closed
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Brian Wringer: and it's on the compression cycle.
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Brian Wringer: That's the pressure that builds up in the cylinder. So there's a lot of ways
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Brian Wringer: for this to fail and only a few ways for it to go right.
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Brian Wringer: The first point of failure is that a lot of compression testers are really crappy.
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Brian Wringer: So if you go buy a cheap compression tester, it may not be very good.
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Brian Wringer: You have to spend a little bit of money.
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Brian Wringer: Like Harbor Freight has a really cheap one. don't buy that one but they've got
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Brian Wringer: like a mid-priced one that's probably okay.
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Robin Dean: Harbor Freight good for some things bad for most.
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Brian Wringer: It's kind of like well.
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Robin Dean: Let me find out how wrong I am but I feel like a good compression tester is
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Robin Dean: going to be one that accepts the compression cycle and then holds that value for you to read after you
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Robin Dean: Even if you go beyond it, like it doesn't get pulled back down.
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Robin Dean: It goes up to a reading. And then when you leave the compression state,
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Robin Dean: it's holding that reading. So you know where you were.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, that's how they work or they're supposed to work.
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Robin Dean: That's a good compression test. You're right.
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Brian Wringer: The needle kind of ratchets. As the engine spins, you'll see it build pressure.
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Brian Wringer: And when it stops building pressure after 12 or 20 revolutions,
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Brian Wringer: then you're at the maximum pressure. And that's your reading for that cylinder.
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Brian Wringer: And there's some obvious stuff like make sure the fitting is the correct size.
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Brian Wringer: Is make sure it's sealing well up against, you know, you're not leaking air anywhere.
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Brian Wringer: Because you're basically turning your engine into an air pump and seeing how
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Brian Wringer: much air it'll compress.
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Brian Wringer: Because if you go look at an air compressor, it is an engine.
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Brian Wringer: It's a piston cylinder. It's compressing. It's just the valving is different
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Brian Wringer: and the purpose is different.
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Brian Wringer: One thing to be aware of is the spec for your compression is generally on a warm engine.
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Brian Wringer: So an engine is warmed up, it's been running. So that way you know that the
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Brian Wringer: rings are expanded. You know that the rings are lubricated, and it's pretty
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Brian Wringer: much in a running condition.
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Brian Wringer: So where a lot of people go wrong is they'll do a compression test on an engine
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Brian Wringer: that's been sitting in a corner for five years.
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Robin Dean: I mean, I guess that's good enough if you want to say, does it have compression?
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Robin Dean: Okay, sure. It's got compression. Well, maybe it'll turn over.
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Robin Dean: Let's find out. Yeah. Different situation.
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Brian Wringer: That's the thing. And overall, if you're dealing with an engine that's been
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Brian Wringer: sitting a while, does it have compression is about all you need to know that's useful.
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Brian Wringer: The degree of compression, you can't really tell. You could put like a little
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Brian Wringer: tiny bit of oil in the cylinder, kind of get it around, maybe using a dropper or something.
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Brian Wringer: It'll seal a little bit and it'll give you a little bit better number.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, don't condemn an engine just because it hasn't run in 5, 10 years or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: You can get a lot of good deals on engines that have been sitting around,
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Brian Wringer: as long as there's not rust in there.
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Brian Wringer: If it wakes up and runs for a while, compression will generally improve quite a bit.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, you're just looking for a ballpark here if you're dealing with something
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Brian Wringer: that's been sitting a while.
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Brian Wringer: So don't get too upset if you're getting, you know, 100 PSI or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: Engines will run on pretty much anything 75 PSI and over. So it'll run if it has some compression.
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Brian Wringer: Honestly, if I'm looking at something like a lawnmower or something,
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Brian Wringer: I'll just put my thumb over it and crank it and see, okay, I've got some compression.
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Brian Wringer: Let's go on and get it running and see what's going on.
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Brian Wringer: Other big mistake is leaving the throttle bodies or carbs on the engine.
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Brian Wringer: You got to take that off. intake has to be open, has to be able to suck in air
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Brian Wringer: to get all the air and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: And the third big thing that people screw up is they use like a weak battery.
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Brian Wringer: You need like a really good, well-charged battery. You need to spin that bastard as hard as you can.
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Brian Wringer: You need to make sure you get a good, you know, something that would actually start.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of people will, you know, they'll pull the battery out of the corner.
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Brian Wringer: It's also been sitting there for five years and wonder why the engine goes whoop,
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Brian Wringer: whoop, whoop, and you don't get it. You know, It's got to spin quickly.
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Brian Wringer: And again, you know, temper your expectations.
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Brian Wringer: If it's an inch on a bike, you just pulled it in, it's still a little bit warm.
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Brian Wringer: You pulled the carbs out, you're doing a compression test.
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Brian Wringer: Everything's out of the way. You're using a fresh battery and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: That's a good compression test. And you can expect what it says in the manual.
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Brian Wringer: And also the other thing to look at is the differences between the cylinders.
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Brian Wringer: There'll be a spec for how much difference is allowed. And again,
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Brian Wringer: if it's an engine that's been sitting in the corner, I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Don't get too worried if one cylinder is different than the other.
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Brian Wringer: They do even out over time. Or you could just put a little bit of oil in the
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Brian Wringer: cylinder so you're not like running things dry. That's probably a good idea anyway.
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Robin Dean: I used to talk about how parking the Bandit, it was something about the Suzuki
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Robin Dean: thing where every time I parked the bike, it was a different bike.
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Robin Dean: Different UJMs had different behavioral profiles. I know my Yamaha was always just rock solid.
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Robin Dean: The Honda Hawk GT, kind of the same thing. even more so. It was like,
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Robin Dean: this is always going to be what this bike does.
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Robin Dean: The band on the other oil air cooled motor. And every time I parked it,
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Robin Dean: I come back out and it was almost like it was shaped differently.
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Robin Dean: What really caters to my experience versus Brian's greater experience with working
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Robin Dean: with motors is no matter what your experience level, a certain amount of daydream
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Robin Dean: level patience is what's necessary.
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Robin Dean: And by that, what I mean is you're just sort of loitering towards your garage
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Robin Dean: because you've got that time to breathe.
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Robin Dean: The sun's out and you see the engine. You kind of look at it.
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Robin Dean: You brush it off. You clean it up. You inspect everything side to side.
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Robin Dean: You put on the tester. You take things slow. You don't got anywhere to be.
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Robin Dean: That's the kind of mellow that I think is necessary for good wrenching to take
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Robin Dean: place on a cold standing paperweight of a could be something else engine.
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Robin Dean: Your perspective on not looking at the goal line so hard. Like, I got to make sure.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, did this guy sell me a bad engine? I got screwed over.
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Brian Wringer: I know I got screwed over. Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Take a step back. It's easier said than done.
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Robin Dean: When you have an agenda, it can be infuriating. But if you treat it as something
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Robin Dean: that's not going anywhere, brush some dust off, pull the plug and take your time.
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Robin Dean: Eventually, it'll find its way. A dollop of oil from a turkey baser into the
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Robin Dean: spark plug outlet is more complimentary to this effort than I think people might
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Robin Dean: expect. What do you think?
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Brian Wringer: Like not even half a teaspoon, just a tiny bit.
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Robin Dean: Just shy of a gallon.
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Brian Wringer: Like it's a salad. you know oil it with put some olive oil in there maybe some 5w30 yeah don't.
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Robin Dean: Put a gallon in just a dollop
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Brian Wringer: Just a tiny glug just to to make sure the metal's happy in there all right i.
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Robin Dean: Didn't prepare anything for segment one we're gonna have to use the alliteration
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Robin Dean: grab baguette and that means
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Brian Wringer: I need a random letter all right let's do it you really need to come up with
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Brian Wringer: some like french theme music say.
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Robin Dean: No more brian say no more here we go ready one a two
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Brian Wringer: So it turns out if you Google random letter generator, you get like a lot of
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Brian Wringer: results. No. So I'm going to...
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Robin Dean: The internet is amazing.
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Brian Wringer: We have the letter H, as in hatred. Uh-oh.
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Robin Dean: Well, this gets dark fast, man. Are we sure we want to do this one?
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Robin Dean: The harsh howdy. You know that writer you like to roll with is going to bring
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Robin Dean: that jackass that you don't. Oh, wow.
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Robin Dean: That is one of the darker ones man are we gonna go there we're
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Brian Wringer: Not gonna name names and we're not gonna have identifiable details.
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Robin Dean: We're just gonna incite paranoia among those
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Robin Dean: we love to ride with most thinking they're the ones and no it's not them let's
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Robin Dean: just say this has never happened it's never happened but it'd be fun to talk
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Robin Dean: about it could happen it is an option okay so the harsh howdy you know that
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Robin Dean: rider you like to roll with is gonna bring that jackass that you don't How do
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Robin Dean: you turn this would-be negative into a positive?
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Robin Dean: And what makes them a jackass? So let's say you have a gathering of people with
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Robin Dean: a particular posture of motorcycle.
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Robin Dean: And one standout person
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Robin Dean: shows up to try and turn the entire hang of multiple people riding this particular
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Robin Dean: style of bike into a completely different hang that has nothing to do with this particular crowd.
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Robin Dean: How do you deal with that?
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Brian Wringer: Good question.
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Robin Dean: I've been trying to be more positive lately. Anything can be inverted if you
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Robin Dean: try hard enough. You can reverse the polarity here.
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Brian Wringer: And again, we're talking about someone that you do know brings someone new to
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Brian Wringer: the party and harsh is the mellow, if you know what I mean.
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Robin Dean: Even if they're trying not to.
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Brian Wringer: I got a couple different things in mind I think I can anonymize.
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Robin Dean: Think of it this way. All of my friends know that I try too hard. All of them. Ha ha ha ha!
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Robin Dean: And they're still like, okay, okay, okay. We'll bring him into the mix.
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Robin Dean: We'll let him be who he is. We'll figure our way around it. It's worth doing.
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Robin Dean: Thank you to all of those friends.
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Robin Dean: It didn't change the fact that we found our way through, right?
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Robin Dean: It doesn't necessarily have to be the analogy I just used.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think you're that guy, no.
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Robin Dean: Could be anything. Maybe the writer's just always generally an asshole.
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Robin Dean: Maybe they're a wet sock.
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Robin Dean: Maybe they spin everything into a negative. Whatever it is, you got to deal with that.
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Robin Dean: My immediate fix is our overspoken ride your own ride except this time you get
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Robin Dean: to really really pronounce it to everybody and have a little chat and
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Brian Wringer: Then you know what you do you leave.
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Robin Dean: You just go the irish goodbye vertical thinking okay
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Robin Dean: That's what just walked into the situation. I can now be vertically selfish.
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Robin Dean: The four feet of space around my area that I'm standing in now needs to be the
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Robin Dean: most important thing to my mental health.
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Robin Dean: And I'm going to find a way to word that to everyone around me and explain to
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Robin Dean: them, I will be riding my own ride. Here's what I'm going to do.
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Robin Dean: I need everybody to know that I'm not taking responsibility for you.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to go ride. I am not going to be waiting.
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Brian Wringer: There's a person that the other person brings. So one of the tactics for that,
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Brian Wringer: you brought this cat home, you make sure you feed the cat and it's your buddy's problem.
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Robin Dean: So what are you two doing for your ride?
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Brian Wringer: What are you and your pal doing here that, you know, within five miles of...
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Robin Dean: So what is your plan for your ride that is independently situated?
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Brian Wringer: I am going elsewhere, not to be disclosed.
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Brian Wringer: So basically yeah good people will feel
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Brian Wringer: that responsibility and i've seen it happen like oh
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Brian Wringer: good guy at work am i but he's really stepping on his yeah you know this is
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Brian Wringer: bad yeah good people will kind of like okay and they'll kind of shovel them
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Brian Wringer: off and take care of them so forth you guys are a unit now by you know so that's
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Brian Wringer: one thing to keep in mind you know you don't have to be everybody's keeper.
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Brian Wringer: Second thing I've seen happen, a spouse shows up that is 99.9999% of the time,
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Brian Wringer: the spouses show up, wives, husbands, significant others, and it's just cool as hell. It's great.
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Brian Wringer: Kids, vast majority of the time, it's great.
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Brian Wringer: Once in a great, great while, you'll get a real wet blanket.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like, I'm cold.
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Brian Wringer: This hotel doesn't have a bidet and a breakfast, you know.
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Brian Wringer: This place is a dump. It's the same tactic.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, I'm glad to see that you brought your significant other.
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Brian Wringer: You guys have fun. Here's the map.
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Robin Dean: There is one way to be a half moon in both directions, the good and the bad.
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Robin Dean: You can be both sides of the coin simultaneously.
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Robin Dean: You approach a friend. Okay, so here's the deal. I don't know that rider. So you two are in back.
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Robin Dean: Don't mess with me on this. Otherwise, I'll go fully independent.
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Robin Dean: You're on your own. And if everything goes well, cool, that's great. And then you ride along.
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Robin Dean: And let's say it doesn't go as planned per se, but you ride along.
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Robin Dean: Twisties, twisties, good times, good times.
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Robin Dean: And lo and behold, you get to your first gas stop and you've witnessed enough
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Robin Dean: to know that there's a severe compatibility issue between behavioral patterns.
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Robin Dean: I've never been afraid to say, I got to let you know, we're done here.
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Robin Dean: You seem like a nice person or whatever, or worse, you don't.
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Robin Dean: But I just want you to know I'm not taking any responsibility for you.
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Robin Dean: So I'm not going to be waiting for you anymore. You guys are doing your own thing.
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Robin Dean: I can tell you where we're going and maybe I'll see you there, but you're on your own.
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Robin Dean: If it's somebody who can receive that, all the better. If it's somebody who
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Robin Dean: can't, all the better. Whatever.
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Brian Wringer: It's honestly a very tough conversation to have.
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Robin Dean: It's ruthless.
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Brian Wringer: You're better at that sort of thing than I am. Speaker of the unspeakable, robin dean you.
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Robin Dean: Got to have a very particular rhythm
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Brian Wringer: Yeah one positive thing that can
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Brian Wringer: work is to make suggestions for alternate
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Brian Wringer: activities alternative routes if you
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Brian Wringer: can tell someone is having trouble from all the way in
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Brian Wringer: the front or in the middle or wherever and they're in the back and they're having
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Brian Wringer: trouble and so forth they're not happy they don't want to admit it you can say
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Brian Wringer: hey why don't you guys go over to this other road and go look at this interesting
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Brian Wringer: field with a cow in it or whatever bad analogy we're.
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Robin Dean: Writers with a t go ahead
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Brian Wringer: So
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Brian Wringer: You can spin it positively. It's like, I think you might be happier over here.
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Brian Wringer: Here's a suggestion I have as a local or someone who knows this area.
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Brian Wringer: This next section gets pretty hairy. You guys can go around over here. Totally your choice.
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Brian Wringer: But if you go around here, you'll have a much nicer ride. And there'll be some
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Brian Wringer: bunnies and you'll see a goat farm. It'll be great.
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Brian Wringer: And you can meet us here and we'll have lunch and ice cream and all will be
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Brian Wringer: sunshine and roses. Because offering alternatives can be a positive way to redirect
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Brian Wringer: someone's energy somewhere more appropriate.
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Robin Dean: Totally can. And another one I've seen, if you're able to detect the mindset
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Robin Dean: of the, let's call them the anti-writer of the group.
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Robin Dean: So harsh. You paint a picture conversationally where you can see how they might
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Robin Dean: think or where they might lead a conversation if you give them the mic,
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Robin Dean: which you don't, and you make some statements that broadly blanket the group
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Robin Dean: as a whole in terms of mentality,
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Robin Dean: most of it referring to sarcastic humor involving those who don't follow the
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Robin Dean: most basic writing protocols.
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Robin Dean: Maybe you observe it in this rider but you couldn't possibly
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Robin Dean: have seen it according to them because you're up there leading a ride but
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Robin Dean: you do because you know how to so what do you say you describe a story that
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Robin Dean: involves that particular problem you tell that story in a way that really just
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Robin Dean: says do not step into this ring of discussion fix your shit maybe we'll keep
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Robin Dean: you around you know but just
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Robin Dean: basic blanket of known safety for
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Robin Dean: one communal behavior to you
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Robin Dean: know things to talk about things not to talk about or skill set in general what
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Robin Dean: adds up what is known true to form what fits the pattern for a damn safe and
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Robin Dean: sometimes super legal good time depending on your group and skill set So when
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Robin Dean: you see these things interrupting that flow,
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Robin Dean: disturbing that ebb, if you can conjure a creative talking point that you're
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Robin Dean: not even saying directly to them,
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Robin Dean: you're saying it laughing to the group, and it just happens to involve something
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Robin Dean: they know that they did, and they don't know that you know that they did,
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Robin Dean: that can work if you are really good with your wording and your tone of voice.
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Robin Dean: All these things are ways to get around the situation.
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Robin Dean: All these things are ways to try and step towards improvement.
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Robin Dean: And they're all a different direction on the compass.
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Brian Wringer: Definitely. And it's all part of keeping an eye on your flock,
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Brian Wringer: which is one of my commandments. We could go on.
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Robin Dean: No, we better not. We've both crushed three really good arguments.
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Robin Dean: Let's get loose. Let's get chill. It's time for the chillest of all of us.
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Robin Dean: Segment two, this round, is going to be moments in motorcycle history with the
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Robin Dean: one and only Jordan Liebman. Now, based on what I learned last time,
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Robin Dean: and to explain my intro, the name is William to the lot of us.
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Robin Dean: Else the younger rendering of Mr.
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Robin Dean: As He's Known to Others, Joey Dunlop, would show you what he was made of.
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Robin Dean: Even if you were a fellow writer that he respected.
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Robin Dean: Now, I don't know where we left off, but I do know that we're going to talk
00:27:41.152 --> 00:27:47.352
Robin Dean: about one of his mentors and admired folk that he enjoyed the company of.
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Robin Dean: Who he had started to overtake, still had total respect for the guy, but was ready to move on.
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Robin Dean: And that's maybe where we're at. Let's find out. Take it away, Jordan.
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Jordan Liebman: Another second-place finish at Cookston made 1971 a successful year.
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Jordan Liebman: So he took two second places in 1971.
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Jordan Liebman: The following year, in 1972, Joey married his sweetheart, Linda Patterson,
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Jordan Liebman: and moved to Bushside near Merv and Helen.
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Jordan Liebman: So he moved closer to his mentor, Merv Robinson, and his sister Helen.
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Jordan Liebman: Family's really tight in Northern Ireland, and he wanted to be by them,
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Jordan Liebman: and they lived in the same town. His first year of matrimony may have been a
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Jordan Liebman: distraction with no racing results besides a third-place finish.
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Jordan Liebman: He did get some sponsorship from his boss, Danny McCook.
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Jordan Liebman: So he's still working. He's not making money racing. He's got a day job and
00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:04.470
Jordan Liebman: he's still working regular.
00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:09.250
Jordan Liebman: So he's got a sponsor now who owns a dealership.
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Jordan Liebman: By 1973, Joey was given a 350cc Irmaki four-stroke single-cylinder race bike
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Jordan Liebman: in addition to the Invader.
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Jordan Liebman: But by now, he was up against the ridiculously fast Yamaha TD3s and TR3s,
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Jordan Liebman: and neither bike was up to the pace.
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Jordan Liebman: We talked about those bikes when we talked about the 1970 Daytona, giant killers.
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Jordan Liebman: So he's racing a 350cc Air Mach-E, which in America was rebadged as a Harley
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Jordan Liebman: Davidson, if you recall, against these Pucca racers, as they call them in the UK.
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Jordan Liebman: Still, Joey managed to be competitive despite riding slower machines.
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Jordan Liebman: He also made his debut at the Isle of Man, but not on the main mountain circuit,
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Jordan Liebman: but on a short circuit track on a converted airstrip with a second and third place finish.
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Jordan Liebman: His first attempt at the Isle of Man 1973 on an Air Mach-E 350cc single, four-stroke.
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Jordan Liebman: And he's doing it against real racing machines. and he took a second and a third
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Jordan Liebman: place finish in that, so that's not shabby at all.
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Jordan Liebman: Joey preferred getting himself to and from races by himself, and
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Jordan Liebman: He got himself to the Isle of Man on a converted fishing boat,
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Jordan Liebman: which became one of his quirks and added to his legend.
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Jordan Liebman: There's lots of stories of Joey getting to and from the Isle of Man races on
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Jordan Liebman: his own boat instead of putting it on a ship and going to the bar with the rest of the guys.
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Jordan Liebman: In 1973, Joey was also introduced to racer Frank Kennedy, also from Armoy,
00:30:47.183 --> 00:30:49.083
Jordan Liebman: and racing an Air Machi 350.
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Jordan Liebman: So both of them are racing Air Machi 350s. They must have really had a push
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Jordan Liebman: in Northern Ireland to try to promote that brand.
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Jordan Liebman: The trio of Dunlop, Robinson, and Kennedy later became known as the Armoy Armada.
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Jordan Liebman: The three raced, each taking turns beating the others. By now,
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Jordan Liebman: it was clear that Joey was the equal to his mentors.
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Jordan Liebman: By 1975, four other riders from the county down in Southern Ireland,
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Jordan Liebman: headed by Ray McCulloch, became known as the Dromara Destroyers.
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Jordan Liebman: Their rivalry was about to become the golden age of Irish racing.
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Jordan Liebman: So this is pretty much Ireland and the Isle of Man, which is just off of Ireland,
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Jordan Liebman: right? Between Ireland and England.
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Jordan Liebman: And there is this adversary between the
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Jordan Liebman: Armoy Armada and these four guys, led by Ray McCulloch from County Down,
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Jordan Liebman: which is at the southern end of Ireland, and they're called the Dromara Destroyers.
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Jordan Liebman: Okay, so this is a lot of local hype goes into this now, and racing in Ireland is a huge deal.
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Jordan Liebman: This is kind of building the scene here in Northern Ireland.
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Jordan Liebman: We're not talking about the rest of the world yet.
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Jordan Liebman: Seeing Joey win a second place despite his severe mechanical disadvantages with
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Jordan Liebman: the underpowered Irmaki, Danny Cook decided to bring in, for 1974,
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Jordan Liebman: a Yamaha TZ350, a serious piece of racing kit.
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Jordan Liebman: Took the toy gun away from the little cowboy and gave him a machine gun, okay?
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Jordan Liebman: 1974 saw first-placed wins on the TZ350,
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Jordan Liebman: two first-placed wins at McGabery, beating established champs Frank Heron and
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Jordan Liebman: Joey's lifelong personal hero,
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Jordan Liebman: Ray McCulloch, and a second-place finish with Merv Robinson taking first at
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Jordan Liebman: Knock Hill in Scotland. So now they're in Scotland.
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Jordan Liebman: Northern Ireland and Scotland aren't that far off. In fact, well,
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Jordan Liebman: we won't get into that right now,
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Jordan Liebman: but 1974 also got Joey his first top sponsorship from John Ray Racing.
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Jordan Liebman: You see it on the side of his truck. Still working out of the back of his van,
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Jordan Liebman: but now he was afforded real race bikes, parts, and frames.
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Jordan Liebman: John Ray, father of Jonathan Ray, six-time superbike world champion later on,
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Jordan Liebman: purchased a TZ350, but Joey wanted a Sealy frame.
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Jordan Liebman: Sealy is an aftermarket manufacturer of frames for racing motorcycles, and John Ray bought it.
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Jordan Liebman: No hard feelings from Danny McCook, his previous a sponsor.
00:33:19.147 --> 00:33:24.047
Jordan Liebman: He was happy to see Joey progress to better things that he personally couldn't afford.
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Jordan Liebman: In 1975, Joey took a very close second place to Ray McCulloch.
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Jordan Liebman: Tandrigui. McCulloch had beaten the great Yarno Saarinen, who also raced at
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Jordan Liebman: Daytona, at Ulster. He was world-class.
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Jordan Liebman: Joey was right on his tail. Things were heating up.
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Jordan Liebman: Joey encountered McCulloch repeatedly in 1975, harassing the hell out of him at every race.
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Jordan Liebman: Despite being Joey's hero, he was his equal and became his target.
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Jordan Liebman: Victor Freeman was hired as
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Jordan Liebman: Joey's manager, and Yorkshire's Nick Jeffries became his teammate in 1975.
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Jordan Liebman: So now we are technically five years in since he started racing with a year
00:34:06.444 --> 00:34:10.224
Jordan Liebman: off for 1970. So he couldn't even afford to race because of the car accident.
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Jordan Liebman: These are the results of Joey's races.
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Jordan Liebman: 1975, Kirkostown, Joey takes first place.
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Jordan Liebman: Mandelo Park, first place. The Temple 100, first place.
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Jordan Liebman: Agadual first place leinster 200
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Jordan Liebman: first place carol durr park
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Jordan Liebman: first place and three second places kirkistown versus ray mcculloch his hero
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Jordan Liebman: second place the skewries race course second place and croft england second
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Jordan Liebman: place i want to stop after 1975 because this is when it just starts to heat
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Jordan Liebman: up because he's now he's got a real race bike
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Jordan Liebman: Is up to the standards of other sponsored teams, and he's kicking everybody's ass.
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Jordan Liebman: But I also want to say this is unique in that Joey does everything himself.
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Jordan Liebman: Like I said, at 10 years old, he was tearing apart engines and rebuilding them
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Jordan Liebman: without any help from his father.
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Jordan Liebman: And then he gets a motorcycle at age 16 from Merv, and he starts racing.
00:35:14.753 --> 00:35:19.173
Jordan Liebman: And at 17, he starts racing with the equivalent of the AMA.
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Jordan Liebman: Traveling to and from these races in a, what the British would call a van.
00:35:24.433 --> 00:35:28.113
Jordan Liebman: We would call it like a Dodge Colt Vista or something, you know,
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Jordan Liebman: something smaller than a van.
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Jordan Liebman: But that's what they called him back then. Doing all the wrenching by himself,
00:35:34.293 --> 00:35:37.353
Jordan Liebman: he sleeps in his van, builds the bikes himself.
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Jordan Liebman: Everything's on a budget and everything's got to be done to his standards. Stop to drink.
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Jordan Liebman: He's now winning races. He has the TZ350 in a CLE frame, which gives him handling
00:35:49.513 --> 00:35:52.713
Jordan Liebman: and speed. But he tweaks everything himself.
00:35:53.858 --> 00:35:58.418
Jordan Liebman: Got this bike, and he's racing it on tracks, but he's taking it home,
00:35:58.478 --> 00:36:04.238
Jordan Liebman: and he's setting it up on these Irish back roads between farms,
00:36:04.518 --> 00:36:10.258
Jordan Liebman: just dialing it in, while other guys have said, okay, my mechanic can handle this.
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Jordan Liebman: Hand me the bike back at the race. He's making it his personal quest.
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Jordan Liebman: There is a movie. It is on Duke Video that we'll discuss.
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Jordan Liebman: Hold on one second. I got it right here.
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Jordan Liebman: Of the Armoy Armada in the early 70s, and it featured the three,
00:36:29.218 --> 00:36:31.798
Jordan Liebman: Frank Kennedy, Joey Dunlop, and Merv Robinson,
00:36:32.438 --> 00:36:37.558
Jordan Liebman: Because basically the filmmaker wanted a topic, and he just picked that,
00:36:37.698 --> 00:36:42.138
Jordan Liebman: and he got $10,000 to make this movie, and that's now a cult classic.
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Jordan Liebman: It's called The Road Racers and V4, V-F-O-U-R, Victory.
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Jordan Liebman: And you'd see at the very beginning, Joey with his TZ350, which looks cobbled together.
00:36:56.358 --> 00:37:03.378
Jordan Liebman: And that really, it speaks to his character because other racers will have amazing
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Jordan Liebman: fit and finish of their bike.
00:37:04.578 --> 00:37:07.438
Jordan Liebman: He didn't care about that. He had the engine, he had the frame,
00:37:07.458 --> 00:37:08.358
Jordan Liebman: and he had the suspension.
00:37:08.678 --> 00:37:11.998
Jordan Liebman: And everything could be duct taped together after that. He just didn't care.
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Jordan Liebman: In the beginning of this video, you see farmers walking sheep across the road
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Jordan Liebman: and then Joey puts on his helmet and jumps on this TZ350 and starts tearing
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Jordan Liebman: down these paved cow paths or sheep paths. That's why I want to leave it.
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Jordan Liebman: 75, we have stacks of first and second place victories for Joey Dunlop,
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Jordan Liebman: and it's the start of something big. That's where we're at. Part one.
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Jordan Liebman: Look forward to part two. Make it sound good, Robin.
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Robin Dean: I sure hope to get to kick back with Jordan again soon. Brian was there for that last one.
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Robin Dean: Crazy times trying to get our schedules to coordinate, but I believe a lazy
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Robin Dean: Sunday full of Dunlop video banter is in order.
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Robin Dean: More on that soon. Stay tuned.
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Brian Wringer: Sounds great.
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Robin Dean: Brian, I'm sure you've got piles of plans.
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Robin Dean: 100% full go. Ready to rock a podcast episode.
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Brian Wringer: Years of ideas. Years. All in the vault. All in the vault.
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Brian Wringer: Contingency plans left and right. I need a ruling here. I need a point of order.
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Brian Wringer: I need a ruling from the parliamentarian.
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Brian Wringer: Should I steal your idea or leave that one for you?
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Robin Dean: For what we were going to do?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, what we were texting about or signaling about.
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Robin Dean: Yes. No, yeah, you will have way more wording. I've been preoccupied.
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Robin Dean: I would really appreciate your always informative.
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Robin Dean: We got to do that. What's it going to be?
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Brian Wringer: We'll work on the title, But what I think we can call this is riding for a reason or mission rides.
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Brian Wringer: That'll be an interesting one to talk about because there are a lot of different.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, most of the time when I go for a ride, it's because I want to go for
00:39:10.125 --> 00:39:12.545
Brian Wringer: a ride and that's as far as it goes. But.
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Brian Wringer: There's a whole category of reasons to get out there, reasons to ride,
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Brian Wringer: reasons to explore and see new things where you're helping somebody scout out stuff.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like what's down here? What's going on? What's that kind of thing? We talked about that.
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Brian Wringer: Rides for other people, just scout out things like that. And also things like
00:39:29.208 --> 00:39:32.928
Brian Wringer: I've done a lot of riding where I'm like, okay, I lead a lot of rides,
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Brian Wringer: so I'll go out on a scouting ride and do a lot of exploring.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like I'll get through the boring stuff. Okay, that road's off the list.
00:39:40.308 --> 00:39:43.388
Brian Wringer: This road is on the list. this road is halfway you
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Brian Wringer: know that kind of thing do a lot of that exploring to figure
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Brian Wringer: those things out writing for certainty and another
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Brian Wringer: thing and we'll talk we'll get into this detail but another example is
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Brian Wringer: when I was taking care of my mom and my dad and in their final time I rode back
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Brian Wringer: and forth and that was very essential to maintaining my mental health through
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Brian Wringer: a horrible time of life like I had a two-hour ride to get to my dad's house to take care of him.
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Brian Wringer: By the time I got there, okay, I'm ready. I can be here.
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Brian Wringer: And, you know, leaving, you know, trade places with my sister, leaving, come back.
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Brian Wringer: I had a two-hour ride to decompress and get back into what I needed to do in the rest of life.
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Robin Dean: Oh, the hat change?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. That's why people ride to work. You can decompress and change your hat,
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Brian Wringer: focus your brain somewhere else, and let it chew and shed what you need to shed.
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Robin Dean: You got to unpack that one completely when we do that as well.
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Robin Dean: Family loss is a huge one.
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Robin Dean: Enormous. I've done three of those
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Robin Dean: rides now. You've done a fair amount yourself, more than me, I'm sure.
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Robin Dean: It's bittersweet in a lot of ways.
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Robin Dean: It's a towering adventure in loss, which is surprisingly therapeutic that you
00:41:01.255 --> 00:41:05.495
Robin Dean: can say the word adventure with it because you're turning it into a personal
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Robin Dean: reflection experience that also involves high alert mode at all times.
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Robin Dean: And this started with calling up your buddy and giving them an assigned ride.
00:41:11.935 --> 00:41:15.795
Robin Dean: I need you to go have a damn fine time and make sure some information for me.
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Robin Dean: In this case, I need us to be about an hour and a half most from a certain small town in Illinois.
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Robin Dean: Are we going to stay in St. Louis near Farmington? Are we going to stay in Paducah,
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Robin Dean: Kentucky near the eastward roads?
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Robin Dean: Are we going to stay in the Brown County area south of Minneapolis?
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Robin Dean: Either way, we got to get a rig set up somewhere and I need my friends to help out.
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Brian Wringer: Absolutely.
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Robin Dean: That's what we're doing next week then.
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Brian Wringer: Sounds good.
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Robin Dean: Ready to get out of here.
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Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.
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Robin Dean: In this episode, we get compressed by questions from the wild,
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Robin Dean: difficult choices, jeez, the AGB, and we're going to call him William Dunlop,
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Robin Dean: okay? Because I don't want any trouble.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what that means. I will find out.
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Robin Dean: Opening announcements, news corrections, banter announcements.
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Robin Dean: Big comment from SC in Brisbane, Australia.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, wow.
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Robin Dean: Just wanted to take the time out to let you know I thoroughly enjoyed the ruckus.
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Robin Dean: He's talking about Robbins Road ruckus. This is not the podcast playlist that
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Robin Dean: It is located at radio.tro.bike.
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Robin Dean: That's our playlist where we talk about random song in a minute and plop that into an episode.
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Robin Dean: It's actually my playlist on title, Robin's Road Ruckus, which is linked at
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Robin Dean: the bottom of every article I write for the website.
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Robin Dean: Yada, yada, yada, sis, boom, bah. I will say he's got some cool bikes, though.
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Robin Dean: He's got a BMW S1000XR, a WR250R, KTM 640 Adventure that he's working on.
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Robin Dean: Very cool. Thank you for the compliment, SC. Appreciate you.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: I don't have a random song in the minute. Again, do you?
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Brian Wringer: I got nothing. Last time I recommended a cat video. Are you in the cult of Gumbus now?
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Robin Dean: I'm not doing this. No. I looked one time and then I was like,
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Robin Dean: okay, okay. Now I know what that is.
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Brian Wringer: All right, fine.
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Robin Dean: That is a really great thing to talk about for a split second.
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Robin Dean: And then it's all about demographics. Demographics, man.
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Brian Wringer: Cats are good pets for motorcyclists because they can hang out by themselves
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Brian Wringer: for a while. So you can be gone for a couple of days.
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Robin Dean: And they'll be a little pissed off.
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Brian Wringer: It's a stretch. It's a stretch, but it relates.
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Robin Dean: I'll pull this one out. Peter Gabriel's rendition of David Bowie's Heroes.
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Brian Wringer: Perfect. Nice.
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Robin Dean: If you get a chance to hear the live version, that's amazing.
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Robin Dean: But the studio cut's really nice, too. It's just so well done, so respectful.
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Robin Dean: And honestly, if you're riding in beautiful territory, it is a zen tune.
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Brian Wringer: Not one that'll cause you to go 130 miles an hour.
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Robin Dean: More like in between the places where you would go 130 miles per hour.
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Brian Wringer: You will flow and time will pass and you won't experience it.
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Brian Wringer: You'll be in that moment. I like it.
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Robin Dean: By the end of the song, you might be going 130 miles an hour, though.
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Robin Dean: I challenge you to listen to the song with your eyes closed for the duration.
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Robin Dean: Just be like, wait a minute. No, I, oops, my right hand. Accidents.
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Robin Dean: Also, there's this great station. Some of these things I see on Instagram just crack me up, man.
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Robin Dean: What? No way. spelled N-O-O-O-W-A-A-A-Y. Okay, this guy's fantastic.
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Robin Dean: Now he starts off purely Minnesotan or Canadian.
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Robin Dean: It's little things that he sees people do on Instagram or on videos on YouTube
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Robin Dean: for automotive reasons.
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Robin Dean: And then he's just like, come on, I've been doing this
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Robin Dean: in some other way all my life that's a pain in the ass. And I could just do
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Robin Dean: this. And in this one, he takes tube fuses.
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Brian Wringer: The glass tube fuses, right? Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Places them on a smartphone. And you can test if it's good or not by whether
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Robin Dean: or not it conducts your signal from your finger to the numbers on your dialer.
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Robin Dean: Immediately, you can hear, I can hear him already. But no way. Come on, really?
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Robin Dean: And he learns it. And it's great. The one I saw before this was something involving a fork.
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Robin Dean: Take an old fork and you stick it between two things you're trying to hold in
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Robin Dean: place on a on a car you bend the fork around it and twist it over and then you've
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Robin Dean: got constant access to this otherwise enormous pain in the ass it may have been
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Robin Dean: a spring clip or something like that okay
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Robin Dean: just bent a fork and hooked it up i was like yeah great channel so shout out
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Robin Dean: that would be a fun guy to have on the show that's something i want to work
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Robin Dean: on more if i can get more proactive about reaching out to people we'll have
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Robin Dean: more interesting people you got gonna hang you
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Brian Wringer: And i can hang out with them. Yeah, just have a good time.
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Robin Dean: Anyway, that's all I got going on. I haven't ridden. I've been working on things
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Robin Dean: that have nothing to do with motorcycling constantly.
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Robin Dean: And Maggie Dean is away in St. Louis. Shout out to Maggie and her father,
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Robin Dean: who is recovering from a cancer-related surgery. Shout out to him.
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Robin Dean: Get well soon. We love you. All right. Brian, how are you doing, man? What's up?
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Brian Wringer: I'm good. Rode for about two hours a day, but I really meant to ride for about 45 minutes.
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Brian Wringer: It just turned out that somebody hit a gas line on the interstate and it was all closed.
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Brian Wringer: Took a lot longer to get there and back than I intended. But on the way back,
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Brian Wringer: I headed up to Hamlin County and was able to basically rail roundabouts all
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Brian Wringer: the way back. So that's always fun.
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Brian Wringer: Stupid, but it's fun. Stupid fun. Got the fork seals done on my bike.
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Brian Wringer: Found out the steering sim bearings were notchy, so I replaced those two as well.
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Brian Wringer: They seem to be sealing, seem to be steering. Everything's good.
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Brian Wringer: Pretty much ready to head to the Smokies in two weeks.
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Robin Dean: Yes!
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Brian Wringer: Gonna be good.
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Robin Dean: I'm happy for you.
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Brian Wringer: So now I'm debating the eternal debate is to whether to throw on new tires or
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Brian Wringer: can I get about a thousand miles out of these tires that are on the bike?
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Brian Wringer: It's like, damn it. It's the eternal problem. It's never clear cut.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. Like how long have you really thought about it? If you look at it,
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Robin Dean: do you see what you need? We're talking to, why don't you just bring an extra
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Robin Dean: set? Your trailer in there?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Yeah. Trailer there. Bring the extra set. You can always do that over whiskey and wrong. Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Do it in the parking lot again yeah,
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Brian Wringer: I'll do some math and tread depth and figure it out, whatever.
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Brian Wringer: And got a conference in Ohio next week, which is...
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Robin Dean: Very good. Well, you can make an excuse of that. What you cannot ride there?
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Brian Wringer: Right. I need to take all of our display and giveaways and all that crap.
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Brian Wringer: So I need to... I need cargo room.
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Robin Dean: You could always mail it.
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Brian Wringer: Too late.
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Robin Dean: Okay, fine, fine, fine.
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Brian Wringer: It's Columbus, Ohio. Not that interesting to get there from here.
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Robin Dean: I'm from there. And there's all kinds of interesting ways to get there.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of assholes around Columbus.
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Brian Wringer: From Indianapolis, there's no way to get to Columbus that's any fun unless you
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Brian Wringer: really dip south and take all day at it.
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Robin Dean: That is fair.
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Brian Wringer: Straight east for three hours. Do not deviate. Not much fun.
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Robin Dean: Are you ready for some questions from the wild?
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Brian Wringer: I am ready for questions from the wild.
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Robin Dean: Listeners all around, if you'd like us to field your questions,
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Robin Dean: visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Robin Dean: EB asks, is this a good compression test on this used engine?
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Robin Dean: Posts video taken by a spider monkey on crack with no sound.
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Robin Dean: There was a motorcycle engine in there somewhere. What else does it say, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: The guy had this god-awful video of a compression test. I think it was, I don't know.
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Robin Dean: Are these my toenails?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, werewolf toenails. No. So you had this compression test,
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Brian Wringer: and the video didn't go along long enough.
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Brian Wringer: It tested one cylinder. You couldn't see anything.
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Brian Wringer: There was no sound. You couldn't hear what was... Anyway, but it reminded me,
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Brian Wringer: a lot of people don't know much about compression tests.
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Brian Wringer: So I thought I'd really quick go into compression test, how to do a good one,
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Brian Wringer: how to do a bad one, and how to film one.
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Brian Wringer: That's up to you, but try to get somebody else to hold the phone.
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Robin Dean: How to film anything better than what this... Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Put the phone somewhere stable.
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Robin Dean: Here is slightly half of the information for each component of this question
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Robin Dean: that you need and nowhere near enough for me to be properly asking a question.
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Brian Wringer: In the vintage motorcycle world, I've seen a lot of people do a lot of unnecessary
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Brian Wringer: work and scrap a lot of engines that should be fine because they did a compression
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Brian Wringer: test and it came out bad at low compression.
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Brian Wringer: And so they got rid of the engine or they started ripping the engine open.
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Brian Wringer: It's like, whoa, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. It's a simple test.
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Brian Wringer: Screw a fitting into the spark plug hole and you crank the engine and you see
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Brian Wringer: how much pressure it builds up. and it's pretty simple.
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Brian Wringer: But the problem is there are a lot of steps along the way, so you got to make
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Brian Wringer: sure you're not leaking air and you have to make sure that you kind of understand how the spec works.
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Brian Wringer: Every engine has a different spec and it'll be in the shop manual.
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Brian Wringer: The range that is acceptable for the compression reading you get.
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Brian Wringer: Like on a higher compression engine, it might be 155 to 175 PSI.
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Brian Wringer: It might be the specification.
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Brian Wringer: Or modern engines might go even higher. You know, it might be up to 195 PSI, something like that.
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Brian Wringer: And that basically means when the engine comes down, both the valves are closed
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Brian Wringer: and it's on the compression cycle.
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Brian Wringer: That's the pressure that builds up in the cylinder. So there's a lot of ways
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Brian Wringer: for this to fail and only a few ways for it to go right.
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Brian Wringer: The first point of failure is that a lot of compression testers are really crappy.
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Brian Wringer: So if you go buy a cheap compression tester, it may not be very good.
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Brian Wringer: You have to spend a little bit of money.
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Brian Wringer: Like Harbor Freight has a really cheap one. don't buy that one but they've got
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Brian Wringer: like a mid-priced one that's probably okay.
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Robin Dean: Harbor Freight good for some things bad for most.
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Brian Wringer: It's kind of like well.
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Robin Dean: Let me find out how wrong I am but I feel like a good compression tester is
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Robin Dean: going to be one that accepts the compression cycle and then holds that value for you to read after you
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Robin Dean: Even if you go beyond it, like it doesn't get pulled back down.
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Robin Dean: It goes up to a reading. And then when you leave the compression state,
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Robin Dean: it's holding that reading. So you know where you were.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, that's how they work or they're supposed to work.
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Robin Dean: That's a good compression test. You're right.
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Brian Wringer: The needle kind of ratchets. As the engine spins, you'll see it build pressure.
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Brian Wringer: And when it stops building pressure after 12 or 20 revolutions,
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Brian Wringer: then you're at the maximum pressure. And that's your reading for that cylinder.
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Brian Wringer: And there's some obvious stuff like make sure the fitting is the correct size.
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Brian Wringer: Is make sure it's sealing well up against, you know, you're not leaking air anywhere.
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Brian Wringer: Because you're basically turning your engine into an air pump and seeing how
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Brian Wringer: much air it'll compress.
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Brian Wringer: Because if you go look at an air compressor, it is an engine.
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Brian Wringer: It's a piston cylinder. It's compressing. It's just the valving is different
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Brian Wringer: and the purpose is different.
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Brian Wringer: One thing to be aware of is the spec for your compression is generally on a warm engine.
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Brian Wringer: So an engine is warmed up, it's been running. So that way you know that the
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Brian Wringer: rings are expanded. You know that the rings are lubricated, and it's pretty
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Brian Wringer: much in a running condition.
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Brian Wringer: So where a lot of people go wrong is they'll do a compression test on an engine
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Brian Wringer: that's been sitting in a corner for five years.
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Robin Dean: I mean, I guess that's good enough if you want to say, does it have compression?
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Robin Dean: Okay, sure. It's got compression. Well, maybe it'll turn over.
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Robin Dean: Let's find out. Yeah. Different situation.
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Brian Wringer: That's the thing. And overall, if you're dealing with an engine that's been
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Brian Wringer: sitting a while, does it have compression is about all you need to know that's useful.
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Brian Wringer: The degree of compression, you can't really tell. You could put like a little
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Brian Wringer: tiny bit of oil in the cylinder, kind of get it around, maybe using a dropper or something.
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Brian Wringer: It'll seal a little bit and it'll give you a little bit better number.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, don't condemn an engine just because it hasn't run in 5, 10 years or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: You can get a lot of good deals on engines that have been sitting around,
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Brian Wringer: as long as there's not rust in there.
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Brian Wringer: If it wakes up and runs for a while, compression will generally improve quite a bit.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, you're just looking for a ballpark here if you're dealing with something
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Brian Wringer: that's been sitting a while.
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Brian Wringer: So don't get too upset if you're getting, you know, 100 PSI or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: Engines will run on pretty much anything 75 PSI and over. So it'll run if it has some compression.
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Brian Wringer: Honestly, if I'm looking at something like a lawnmower or something,
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Brian Wringer: I'll just put my thumb over it and crank it and see, okay, I've got some compression.
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Brian Wringer: Let's go on and get it running and see what's going on.
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Brian Wringer: Other big mistake is leaving the throttle bodies or carbs on the engine.
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Brian Wringer: You got to take that off. intake has to be open, has to be able to suck in air
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Brian Wringer: to get all the air and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: And the third big thing that people screw up is they use like a weak battery.
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Brian Wringer: You need like a really good, well-charged battery. You need to spin that bastard as hard as you can.
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Brian Wringer: You need to make sure you get a good, you know, something that would actually start.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of people will, you know, they'll pull the battery out of the corner.
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Brian Wringer: It's also been sitting there for five years and wonder why the engine goes whoop,
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Brian Wringer: whoop, whoop, and you don't get it. You know, It's got to spin quickly.
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Brian Wringer: And again, you know, temper your expectations.
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Brian Wringer: If it's an inch on a bike, you just pulled it in, it's still a little bit warm.
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Brian Wringer: You pulled the carbs out, you're doing a compression test.
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Brian Wringer: Everything's out of the way. You're using a fresh battery and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: That's a good compression test. And you can expect what it says in the manual.
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Brian Wringer: And also the other thing to look at is the differences between the cylinders.
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Brian Wringer: There'll be a spec for how much difference is allowed. And again,
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Brian Wringer: if it's an engine that's been sitting in the corner, I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Don't get too worried if one cylinder is different than the other.
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Brian Wringer: They do even out over time. Or you could just put a little bit of oil in the
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Brian Wringer: cylinder so you're not like running things dry. That's probably a good idea anyway.
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Robin Dean: I used to talk about how parking the Bandit, it was something about the Suzuki
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Robin Dean: thing where every time I parked the bike, it was a different bike.
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Robin Dean: Different UJMs had different behavioral profiles. I know my Yamaha was always just rock solid.
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Robin Dean: The Honda Hawk GT, kind of the same thing. even more so. It was like,
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Robin Dean: this is always going to be what this bike does.
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Robin Dean: The band on the other oil air cooled motor. And every time I parked it,
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Robin Dean: I come back out and it was almost like it was shaped differently.
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Robin Dean: What really caters to my experience versus Brian's greater experience with working
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Robin Dean: with motors is no matter what your experience level, a certain amount of daydream
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Robin Dean: level patience is what's necessary.
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Robin Dean: And by that, what I mean is you're just sort of loitering towards your garage
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Robin Dean: because you've got that time to breathe.
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Robin Dean: The sun's out and you see the engine. You kind of look at it.
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Robin Dean: You brush it off. You clean it up. You inspect everything side to side.
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Robin Dean: You put on the tester. You take things slow. You don't got anywhere to be.
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Robin Dean: That's the kind of mellow that I think is necessary for good wrenching to take
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Robin Dean: place on a cold standing paperweight of a could be something else engine.
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Robin Dean: Your perspective on not looking at the goal line so hard. Like, I got to make sure.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, did this guy sell me a bad engine? I got screwed over.
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Brian Wringer: I know I got screwed over. Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Take a step back. It's easier said than done.
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Robin Dean: When you have an agenda, it can be infuriating. But if you treat it as something
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Robin Dean: that's not going anywhere, brush some dust off, pull the plug and take your time.
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Robin Dean: Eventually, it'll find its way. A dollop of oil from a turkey baser into the
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Robin Dean: spark plug outlet is more complimentary to this effort than I think people might
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Robin Dean: expect. What do you think?
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Brian Wringer: Like not even half a teaspoon, just a tiny bit.
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Robin Dean: Just shy of a gallon.
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Brian Wringer: Like it's a salad. you know oil it with put some olive oil in there maybe some 5w30 yeah don't.
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Robin Dean: Put a gallon in just a dollop
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Brian Wringer: Just a tiny glug just to to make sure the metal's happy in there all right i.
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Robin Dean: Didn't prepare anything for segment one we're gonna have to use the alliteration
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Robin Dean: grab baguette and that means
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Brian Wringer: I need a random letter all right let's do it you really need to come up with
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Brian Wringer: some like french theme music say.
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Robin Dean: No more brian say no more here we go ready one a two
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Brian Wringer: So it turns out if you Google random letter generator, you get like a lot of
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Brian Wringer: results. No. So I'm going to...
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Robin Dean: The internet is amazing.
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Brian Wringer: We have the letter H, as in hatred. Uh-oh.
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Robin Dean: Well, this gets dark fast, man. Are we sure we want to do this one?
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Robin Dean: The harsh howdy. You know that writer you like to roll with is going to bring
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Robin Dean: that jackass that you don't. Oh, wow.
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Robin Dean: That is one of the darker ones man are we gonna go there we're
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Brian Wringer: Not gonna name names and we're not gonna have identifiable details.
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Robin Dean: We're just gonna incite paranoia among those
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Robin Dean: we love to ride with most thinking they're the ones and no it's not them let's
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Robin Dean: just say this has never happened it's never happened but it'd be fun to talk
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Robin Dean: about it could happen it is an option okay so the harsh howdy you know that
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Robin Dean: rider you like to roll with is gonna bring that jackass that you don't How do
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Robin Dean: you turn this would-be negative into a positive?
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Robin Dean: And what makes them a jackass? So let's say you have a gathering of people with
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Robin Dean: a particular posture of motorcycle.
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Robin Dean: And one standout person
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Robin Dean: shows up to try and turn the entire hang of multiple people riding this particular
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Robin Dean: style of bike into a completely different hang that has nothing to do with this particular crowd.
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Robin Dean: How do you deal with that?
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Brian Wringer: Good question.
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Robin Dean: I've been trying to be more positive lately. Anything can be inverted if you
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Robin Dean: try hard enough. You can reverse the polarity here.
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Brian Wringer: And again, we're talking about someone that you do know brings someone new to
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Brian Wringer: the party and harsh is the mellow, if you know what I mean.
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Robin Dean: Even if they're trying not to.
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Brian Wringer: I got a couple different things in mind I think I can anonymize.
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Robin Dean: Think of it this way. All of my friends know that I try too hard. All of them. Ha ha ha ha!
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Robin Dean: And they're still like, okay, okay, okay. We'll bring him into the mix.
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Robin Dean: We'll let him be who he is. We'll figure our way around it. It's worth doing.
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Robin Dean: Thank you to all of those friends.
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Robin Dean: It didn't change the fact that we found our way through, right?
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Robin Dean: It doesn't necessarily have to be the analogy I just used.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think you're that guy, no.
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Robin Dean: Could be anything. Maybe the writer's just always generally an asshole.
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Robin Dean: Maybe they're a wet sock.
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Robin Dean: Maybe they spin everything into a negative. Whatever it is, you got to deal with that.
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Robin Dean: My immediate fix is our overspoken ride your own ride except this time you get
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Robin Dean: to really really pronounce it to everybody and have a little chat and
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Brian Wringer: Then you know what you do you leave.
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Robin Dean: You just go the irish goodbye vertical thinking okay
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Robin Dean: That's what just walked into the situation. I can now be vertically selfish.
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Robin Dean: The four feet of space around my area that I'm standing in now needs to be the
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Robin Dean: most important thing to my mental health.
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Robin Dean: And I'm going to find a way to word that to everyone around me and explain to
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Robin Dean: them, I will be riding my own ride. Here's what I'm going to do.
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Robin Dean: I need everybody to know that I'm not taking responsibility for you.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to go ride. I am not going to be waiting.
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Brian Wringer: There's a person that the other person brings. So one of the tactics for that,
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Brian Wringer: you brought this cat home, you make sure you feed the cat and it's your buddy's problem.
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Robin Dean: So what are you two doing for your ride?
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Brian Wringer: What are you and your pal doing here that, you know, within five miles of...
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Robin Dean: So what is your plan for your ride that is independently situated?
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Brian Wringer: I am going elsewhere, not to be disclosed.
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Brian Wringer: So basically yeah good people will feel
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Brian Wringer: that responsibility and i've seen it happen like oh
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Brian Wringer: good guy at work am i but he's really stepping on his yeah you know this is
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Brian Wringer: bad yeah good people will kind of like okay and they'll kind of shovel them
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Brian Wringer: off and take care of them so forth you guys are a unit now by you know so that's
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Brian Wringer: one thing to keep in mind you know you don't have to be everybody's keeper.
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Brian Wringer: Second thing I've seen happen, a spouse shows up that is 99.9999% of the time,
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Brian Wringer: the spouses show up, wives, husbands, significant others, and it's just cool as hell. It's great.
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Brian Wringer: Kids, vast majority of the time, it's great.
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Brian Wringer: Once in a great, great while, you'll get a real wet blanket.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like, I'm cold.
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Brian Wringer: This hotel doesn't have a bidet and a breakfast, you know.
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Brian Wringer: This place is a dump. It's the same tactic.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, I'm glad to see that you brought your significant other.
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Brian Wringer: You guys have fun. Here's the map.
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Robin Dean: There is one way to be a half moon in both directions, the good and the bad.
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Robin Dean: You can be both sides of the coin simultaneously.
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Robin Dean: You approach a friend. Okay, so here's the deal. I don't know that rider. So you two are in back.
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Robin Dean: Don't mess with me on this. Otherwise, I'll go fully independent.
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Robin Dean: You're on your own. And if everything goes well, cool, that's great. And then you ride along.
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Robin Dean: And let's say it doesn't go as planned per se, but you ride along.
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Robin Dean: Twisties, twisties, good times, good times.
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Robin Dean: And lo and behold, you get to your first gas stop and you've witnessed enough
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Robin Dean: to know that there's a severe compatibility issue between behavioral patterns.
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Robin Dean: I've never been afraid to say, I got to let you know, we're done here.
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Robin Dean: You seem like a nice person or whatever, or worse, you don't.
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Robin Dean: But I just want you to know I'm not taking any responsibility for you.
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Robin Dean: So I'm not going to be waiting for you anymore. You guys are doing your own thing.
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Robin Dean: I can tell you where we're going and maybe I'll see you there, but you're on your own.
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Robin Dean: If it's somebody who can receive that, all the better. If it's somebody who
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Robin Dean: can't, all the better. Whatever.
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Brian Wringer: It's honestly a very tough conversation to have.
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Robin Dean: It's ruthless.
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Brian Wringer: You're better at that sort of thing than I am. Speaker of the unspeakable, robin dean you.
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Robin Dean: Got to have a very particular rhythm
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Brian Wringer: Yeah one positive thing that can
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Brian Wringer: work is to make suggestions for alternate
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Brian Wringer: activities alternative routes if you
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Brian Wringer: can tell someone is having trouble from all the way in
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Brian Wringer: the front or in the middle or wherever and they're in the back and they're having
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Brian Wringer: trouble and so forth they're not happy they don't want to admit it you can say
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Brian Wringer: hey why don't you guys go over to this other road and go look at this interesting
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Brian Wringer: field with a cow in it or whatever bad analogy we're.
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Robin Dean: Writers with a t go ahead
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Brian Wringer: So
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Brian Wringer: You can spin it positively. It's like, I think you might be happier over here.
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Brian Wringer: Here's a suggestion I have as a local or someone who knows this area.
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Brian Wringer: This next section gets pretty hairy. You guys can go around over here. Totally your choice.
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Brian Wringer: But if you go around here, you'll have a much nicer ride. And there'll be some
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Brian Wringer: bunnies and you'll see a goat farm. It'll be great.
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Brian Wringer: And you can meet us here and we'll have lunch and ice cream and all will be
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Brian Wringer: sunshine and roses. Because offering alternatives can be a positive way to redirect
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Brian Wringer: someone's energy somewhere more appropriate.
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Robin Dean: Totally can. And another one I've seen, if you're able to detect the mindset
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Robin Dean: of the, let's call them the anti-writer of the group.
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Robin Dean: So harsh. You paint a picture conversationally where you can see how they might
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Robin Dean: think or where they might lead a conversation if you give them the mic,
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Robin Dean: which you don't, and you make some statements that broadly blanket the group
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Robin Dean: as a whole in terms of mentality,
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Robin Dean: most of it referring to sarcastic humor involving those who don't follow the
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Robin Dean: most basic writing protocols.
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Robin Dean: Maybe you observe it in this rider but you couldn't possibly
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Robin Dean: have seen it according to them because you're up there leading a ride but
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Robin Dean: you do because you know how to so what do you say you describe a story that
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Robin Dean: involves that particular problem you tell that story in a way that really just
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Robin Dean: says do not step into this ring of discussion fix your shit maybe we'll keep
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Robin Dean: you around you know but just
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Robin Dean: basic blanket of known safety for
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Robin Dean: one communal behavior to you
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Robin Dean: know things to talk about things not to talk about or skill set in general what
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Robin Dean: adds up what is known true to form what fits the pattern for a damn safe and
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Robin Dean: sometimes super legal good time depending on your group and skill set So when
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Robin Dean: you see these things interrupting that flow,
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Robin Dean: disturbing that ebb, if you can conjure a creative talking point that you're
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Robin Dean: not even saying directly to them,
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Robin Dean: you're saying it laughing to the group, and it just happens to involve something
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Robin Dean: they know that they did, and they don't know that you know that they did,
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Robin Dean: that can work if you are really good with your wording and your tone of voice.
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Robin Dean: All these things are ways to get around the situation.
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Robin Dean: All these things are ways to try and step towards improvement.
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Robin Dean: And they're all a different direction on the compass.
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Brian Wringer: Definitely. And it's all part of keeping an eye on your flock,
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Brian Wringer: which is one of my commandments. We could go on.
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Robin Dean: No, we better not. We've both crushed three really good arguments.
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Robin Dean: Let's get loose. Let's get chill. It's time for the chillest of all of us.
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Robin Dean: Segment two, this round, is going to be moments in motorcycle history with the
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Robin Dean: one and only Jordan Liebman. Now, based on what I learned last time,
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Robin Dean: and to explain my intro, the name is William to the lot of us.
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Robin Dean: Else the younger rendering of Mr.
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Robin Dean: As He's Known to Others, Joey Dunlop, would show you what he was made of.
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Robin Dean: Even if you were a fellow writer that he respected.
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Robin Dean: Now, I don't know where we left off, but I do know that we're going to talk
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Robin Dean: about one of his mentors and admired folk that he enjoyed the company of.
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Robin Dean: Who he had started to overtake, still had total respect for the guy, but was ready to move on.
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Robin Dean: And that's maybe where we're at. Let's find out. Take it away, Jordan.
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Jordan Liebman: Another second-place finish at Cookston made 1971 a successful year.
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Jordan Liebman: So he took two second places in 1971.
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Jordan Liebman: The following year, in 1972, Joey married his sweetheart, Linda Patterson,
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Jordan Liebman: and moved to Bushside near Merv and Helen.
00:28:32.965 --> 00:28:38.525
Jordan Liebman: So he moved closer to his mentor, Merv Robinson, and his sister Helen.
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Jordan Liebman: Family's really tight in Northern Ireland, and he wanted to be by them,
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Jordan Liebman: and they lived in the same town. His first year of matrimony may have been a
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Jordan Liebman: distraction with no racing results besides a third-place finish.
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Jordan Liebman: He did get some sponsorship from his boss, Danny McCook.
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Jordan Liebman: So he's still working. He's not making money racing. He's got a day job and
00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:04.470
Jordan Liebman: he's still working regular.
00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:09.250
Jordan Liebman: So he's got a sponsor now who owns a dealership.
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Jordan Liebman: By 1973, Joey was given a 350cc Irmaki four-stroke single-cylinder race bike
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Jordan Liebman: in addition to the Invader.
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Jordan Liebman: But by now, he was up against the ridiculously fast Yamaha TD3s and TR3s,
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Jordan Liebman: and neither bike was up to the pace.
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Jordan Liebman: We talked about those bikes when we talked about the 1970 Daytona, giant killers.
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Jordan Liebman: So he's racing a 350cc Air Mach-E, which in America was rebadged as a Harley
00:29:38.750 --> 00:29:44.130
Jordan Liebman: Davidson, if you recall, against these Pucca racers, as they call them in the UK.
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Jordan Liebman: Still, Joey managed to be competitive despite riding slower machines.
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Jordan Liebman: He also made his debut at the Isle of Man, but not on the main mountain circuit,
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Jordan Liebman: but on a short circuit track on a converted airstrip with a second and third place finish.
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Jordan Liebman: His first attempt at the Isle of Man 1973 on an Air Mach-E 350cc single, four-stroke.
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Jordan Liebman: And he's doing it against real racing machines. and he took a second and a third
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Jordan Liebman: place finish in that, so that's not shabby at all.
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Jordan Liebman: Joey preferred getting himself to and from races by himself, and
00:30:22.863 --> 00:30:26.243
Jordan Liebman: He got himself to the Isle of Man on a converted fishing boat,
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Jordan Liebman: which became one of his quirks and added to his legend.
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Jordan Liebman: There's lots of stories of Joey getting to and from the Isle of Man races on
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Jordan Liebman: his own boat instead of putting it on a ship and going to the bar with the rest of the guys.
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Jordan Liebman: In 1973, Joey was also introduced to racer Frank Kennedy, also from Armoy,
00:30:47.183 --> 00:30:49.083
Jordan Liebman: and racing an Air Machi 350.
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Jordan Liebman: So both of them are racing Air Machi 350s. They must have really had a push
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Jordan Liebman: in Northern Ireland to try to promote that brand.
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Jordan Liebman: The trio of Dunlop, Robinson, and Kennedy later became known as the Armoy Armada.
00:31:02.403 --> 00:31:07.043
Jordan Liebman: The three raced, each taking turns beating the others. By now,
00:31:07.203 --> 00:31:09.923
Jordan Liebman: it was clear that Joey was the equal to his mentors.
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Jordan Liebman: By 1975, four other riders from the county down in Southern Ireland,
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Jordan Liebman: headed by Ray McCulloch, became known as the Dromara Destroyers.
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Jordan Liebman: Their rivalry was about to become the golden age of Irish racing.
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Jordan Liebman: So this is pretty much Ireland and the Isle of Man, which is just off of Ireland,
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Jordan Liebman: right? Between Ireland and England.
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Jordan Liebman: And there is this adversary between the
00:31:35.367 --> 00:31:40.907
Jordan Liebman: Armoy Armada and these four guys, led by Ray McCulloch from County Down,
00:31:41.027 --> 00:31:44.787
Jordan Liebman: which is at the southern end of Ireland, and they're called the Dromara Destroyers.
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Jordan Liebman: Okay, so this is a lot of local hype goes into this now, and racing in Ireland is a huge deal.
00:31:51.187 --> 00:31:54.087
Jordan Liebman: This is kind of building the scene here in Northern Ireland.
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Jordan Liebman: We're not talking about the rest of the world yet.
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Jordan Liebman: Seeing Joey win a second place despite his severe mechanical disadvantages with
00:32:01.347 --> 00:32:06.387
Jordan Liebman: the underpowered Irmaki, Danny Cook decided to bring in, for 1974,
00:32:07.067 --> 00:32:12.607
Jordan Liebman: a Yamaha TZ350, a serious piece of racing kit.
00:32:12.767 --> 00:32:17.747
Jordan Liebman: Took the toy gun away from the little cowboy and gave him a machine gun, okay?
00:32:18.887 --> 00:32:22.527
Jordan Liebman: 1974 saw first-placed wins on the TZ350,
00:32:23.067 --> 00:32:28.347
Jordan Liebman: two first-placed wins at McGabery, beating established champs Frank Heron and
00:32:28.347 --> 00:32:30.387
Jordan Liebman: Joey's lifelong personal hero,
00:32:30.807 --> 00:32:36.227
Jordan Liebman: Ray McCulloch, and a second-place finish with Merv Robinson taking first at
00:32:36.227 --> 00:32:38.387
Jordan Liebman: Knock Hill in Scotland. So now they're in Scotland.
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Jordan Liebman: Northern Ireland and Scotland aren't that far off. In fact, well,
00:32:42.447 --> 00:32:44.007
Jordan Liebman: we won't get into that right now,
00:32:44.067 --> 00:32:50.087
Jordan Liebman: but 1974 also got Joey his first top sponsorship from John Ray Racing.
00:32:50.307 --> 00:32:54.407
Jordan Liebman: You see it on the side of his truck. Still working out of the back of his van,
00:32:54.567 --> 00:32:58.287
Jordan Liebman: but now he was afforded real race bikes, parts, and frames.
00:32:58.747 --> 00:33:04.127
Jordan Liebman: John Ray, father of Jonathan Ray, six-time superbike world champion later on,
00:33:04.687 --> 00:33:08.727
Jordan Liebman: purchased a TZ350, but Joey wanted a Sealy frame.
00:33:08.907 --> 00:33:15.827
Jordan Liebman: Sealy is an aftermarket manufacturer of frames for racing motorcycles, and John Ray bought it.
00:33:16.087 --> 00:33:18.907
Jordan Liebman: No hard feelings from Danny McCook, his previous a sponsor.
00:33:19.147 --> 00:33:24.047
Jordan Liebman: He was happy to see Joey progress to better things that he personally couldn't afford.
00:33:24.287 --> 00:33:29.087
Jordan Liebman: In 1975, Joey took a very close second place to Ray McCulloch.
00:33:29.704 --> 00:33:35.104
Jordan Liebman: Tandrigui. McCulloch had beaten the great Yarno Saarinen, who also raced at
00:33:35.104 --> 00:33:38.224
Jordan Liebman: Daytona, at Ulster. He was world-class.
00:33:38.684 --> 00:33:41.424
Jordan Liebman: Joey was right on his tail. Things were heating up.
00:33:42.004 --> 00:33:47.824
Jordan Liebman: Joey encountered McCulloch repeatedly in 1975, harassing the hell out of him at every race.
00:33:48.144 --> 00:33:52.724
Jordan Liebman: Despite being Joey's hero, he was his equal and became his target.
00:33:53.324 --> 00:33:54.724
Jordan Liebman: Victor Freeman was hired as
00:33:54.724 --> 00:34:00.024
Jordan Liebman: Joey's manager, and Yorkshire's Nick Jeffries became his teammate in 1975.
00:34:00.544 --> 00:34:06.444
Jordan Liebman: So now we are technically five years in since he started racing with a year
00:34:06.444 --> 00:34:10.224
Jordan Liebman: off for 1970. So he couldn't even afford to race because of the car accident.
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Jordan Liebman: These are the results of Joey's races.
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Jordan Liebman: 1975, Kirkostown, Joey takes first place.
00:34:18.744 --> 00:34:23.544
Jordan Liebman: Mandelo Park, first place. The Temple 100, first place.
00:34:23.544 --> 00:34:27.304
Jordan Liebman: Agadual first place leinster 200
00:34:27.304 --> 00:34:30.164
Jordan Liebman: first place carol durr park
00:34:30.164 --> 00:34:36.084
Jordan Liebman: first place and three second places kirkistown versus ray mcculloch his hero
00:34:36.084 --> 00:34:41.704
Jordan Liebman: second place the skewries race course second place and croft england second
00:34:41.704 --> 00:34:46.804
Jordan Liebman: place i want to stop after 1975 because this is when it just starts to heat
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Jordan Liebman: up because he's now he's got a real race bike
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Jordan Liebman: Is up to the standards of other sponsored teams, and he's kicking everybody's ass.
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Jordan Liebman: But I also want to say this is unique in that Joey does everything himself.
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Jordan Liebman: Like I said, at 10 years old, he was tearing apart engines and rebuilding them
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Jordan Liebman: without any help from his father.
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Jordan Liebman: And then he gets a motorcycle at age 16 from Merv, and he starts racing.
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Jordan Liebman: And at 17, he starts racing with the equivalent of the AMA.
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Jordan Liebman: Traveling to and from these races in a, what the British would call a van.
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Jordan Liebman: We would call it like a Dodge Colt Vista or something, you know,
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Jordan Liebman: something smaller than a van.
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Jordan Liebman: But that's what they called him back then. Doing all the wrenching by himself,
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Jordan Liebman: he sleeps in his van, builds the bikes himself.
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Jordan Liebman: Everything's on a budget and everything's got to be done to his standards. Stop to drink.
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Jordan Liebman: He's now winning races. He has the TZ350 in a CLE frame, which gives him handling
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Jordan Liebman: and speed. But he tweaks everything himself.
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Jordan Liebman: Got this bike, and he's racing it on tracks, but he's taking it home,
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Jordan Liebman: and he's setting it up on these Irish back roads between farms,
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Jordan Liebman: just dialing it in, while other guys have said, okay, my mechanic can handle this.
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Jordan Liebman: Hand me the bike back at the race. He's making it his personal quest.
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Jordan Liebman: There is a movie. It is on Duke Video that we'll discuss.
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Jordan Liebman: Hold on one second. I got it right here.
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Jordan Liebman: Of the Armoy Armada in the early 70s, and it featured the three,
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Jordan Liebman: Frank Kennedy, Joey Dunlop, and Merv Robinson,
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Jordan Liebman: Because basically the filmmaker wanted a topic, and he just picked that,
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Jordan Liebman: and he got $10,000 to make this movie, and that's now a cult classic.
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Jordan Liebman: It's called The Road Racers and V4, V-F-O-U-R, Victory.
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Jordan Liebman: And you'd see at the very beginning, Joey with his TZ350, which looks cobbled together.
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Jordan Liebman: And that really, it speaks to his character because other racers will have amazing
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Jordan Liebman: fit and finish of their bike.
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Jordan Liebman: He didn't care about that. He had the engine, he had the frame,
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Jordan Liebman: and he had the suspension.
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Jordan Liebman: And everything could be duct taped together after that. He just didn't care.
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Jordan Liebman: In the beginning of this video, you see farmers walking sheep across the road
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Jordan Liebman: and then Joey puts on his helmet and jumps on this TZ350 and starts tearing
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Jordan Liebman: down these paved cow paths or sheep paths. That's why I want to leave it.
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Jordan Liebman: 75, we have stacks of first and second place victories for Joey Dunlop,
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Jordan Liebman: and it's the start of something big. That's where we're at. Part one.
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Jordan Liebman: Look forward to part two. Make it sound good, Robin.
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Robin Dean: I sure hope to get to kick back with Jordan again soon. Brian was there for that last one.
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Robin Dean: Crazy times trying to get our schedules to coordinate, but I believe a lazy
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Robin Dean: Sunday full of Dunlop video banter is in order.
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Robin Dean: More on that soon. Stay tuned.
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Brian Wringer: Sounds great.
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Robin Dean: Brian, I'm sure you've got piles of plans.
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Robin Dean: 100% full go. Ready to rock a podcast episode.
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Brian Wringer: Years of ideas. Years. All in the vault. All in the vault.
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Brian Wringer: Contingency plans left and right. I need a ruling here. I need a point of order.
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Brian Wringer: I need a ruling from the parliamentarian.
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Brian Wringer: Should I steal your idea or leave that one for you?
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Robin Dean: For what we were going to do?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, what we were texting about or signaling about.
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Robin Dean: Yes. No, yeah, you will have way more wording. I've been preoccupied.
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Robin Dean: I would really appreciate your always informative.
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Robin Dean: We got to do that. What's it going to be?
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Brian Wringer: We'll work on the title, But what I think we can call this is riding for a reason or mission rides.
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Brian Wringer: That'll be an interesting one to talk about because there are a lot of different.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, most of the time when I go for a ride, it's because I want to go for
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Brian Wringer: a ride and that's as far as it goes. But.
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Brian Wringer: There's a whole category of reasons to get out there, reasons to ride,
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Brian Wringer: reasons to explore and see new things where you're helping somebody scout out stuff.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like what's down here? What's going on? What's that kind of thing? We talked about that.
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Brian Wringer: Rides for other people, just scout out things like that. And also things like
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Brian Wringer: I've done a lot of riding where I'm like, okay, I lead a lot of rides,
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Brian Wringer: so I'll go out on a scouting ride and do a lot of exploring.
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Brian Wringer: You know, like I'll get through the boring stuff. Okay, that road's off the list.
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Brian Wringer: This road is on the list. this road is halfway you
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Brian Wringer: know that kind of thing do a lot of that exploring to figure
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Brian Wringer: those things out writing for certainty and another
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Brian Wringer: thing and we'll talk we'll get into this detail but another example is
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Brian Wringer: when I was taking care of my mom and my dad and in their final time I rode back
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Brian Wringer: and forth and that was very essential to maintaining my mental health through
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Brian Wringer: a horrible time of life like I had a two-hour ride to get to my dad's house to take care of him.
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Brian Wringer: By the time I got there, okay, I'm ready. I can be here.
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Brian Wringer: And, you know, leaving, you know, trade places with my sister, leaving, come back.
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Brian Wringer: I had a two-hour ride to decompress and get back into what I needed to do in the rest of life.
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Robin Dean: Oh, the hat change?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. That's why people ride to work. You can decompress and change your hat,
00:40:31.688 --> 00:40:35.968
Brian Wringer: focus your brain somewhere else, and let it chew and shed what you need to shed.
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Robin Dean: You got to unpack that one completely when we do that as well.
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Robin Dean: Family loss is a huge one.
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Robin Dean: Enormous. I've done three of those
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Robin Dean: rides now. You've done a fair amount yourself, more than me, I'm sure.
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Robin Dean: It's bittersweet in a lot of ways.
00:40:53.795 --> 00:41:01.255
Robin Dean: It's a towering adventure in loss, which is surprisingly therapeutic that you
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Robin Dean: can say the word adventure with it because you're turning it into a personal
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Robin Dean: reflection experience that also involves high alert mode at all times.
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Robin Dean: And this started with calling up your buddy and giving them an assigned ride.
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Robin Dean: I need you to go have a damn fine time and make sure some information for me.
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Robin Dean: In this case, I need us to be about an hour and a half most from a certain small town in Illinois.
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Robin Dean: Are we going to stay in St. Louis near Farmington? Are we going to stay in Paducah,
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Robin Dean: Kentucky near the eastward roads?
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Robin Dean: Are we going to stay in the Brown County area south of Minneapolis?
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Robin Dean: Either way, we got to get a rig set up somewhere and I need my friends to help out.
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Brian Wringer: Absolutely.
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Robin Dean: That's what we're doing next week then.
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Brian Wringer: Sounds good.
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Robin Dean: Ready to get out of here.
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Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.
