Decoding Revelation Gary Wayne!

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Yeah, I basically reject all of the standard eschatological approaches
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that they start to rewrite scripture a little bit or
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leave out inconvenient details. You know, I bought in as
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a pre-trib believer. I had no reason to question it
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at that time. Okay, well, that makes sense. He's quoting
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some scriptures. But I had to walk away from that.
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And they all have the same flaw. they place all
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scripture around some preconceived conclusions. That's where I was saying,
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and yet we're getting clear writings about what Jesus is
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saying about end time prophecy and rapture as one of
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those events. It was part of the three questions he
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was asked, right? He was clearly asked three questions. Don't
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believe two. So there's so much misinformation that's taught by eschatology.
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Disclaimer to the Pharisees and Karens out there how dare
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doesn't feel the dark it only shows what's.
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Real hey guys what is happening and what is up
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fill it up welcome to the prometheus lens podcast the
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returning guest, one of my favorite men to sit down
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and nerd out with and talk about some of these
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biblical mysteries and ancient lost histories and things like that, man.
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And you guys love him, too. Every time he comes on,
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the numbers shoot through the roof and you request him back.
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And he's a busy man. I've got to space him
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out a little bit, okay? We can't just hoard him up, man.
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Everybody wants a minute of this man's time. I'd like
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to welcome back to the show, man, Gary Wayne.
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Gary, how are you doing, brother? Doing well, and thank
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you for inviting me back. And... we've been working together
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for quite a while. I'm hoping that that will continue. And, uh,
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so yeah, I always will make time to do Justin and, uh,
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and try no matter what's going on. I'm a pretty
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loyal individual. So, um, yeah. And again, you know, the
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topics that, you know, you like to talk about are
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different than other shows, which is why your success is there. And, uh,
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It's always fun to come on the show and to
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talk about things and see whether or not we can
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ruffle up some more feathers that you and I have
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recently had to endure. But you know what? If we're
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not creating some significant pushback at times, then perhaps we're
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not really pushing hard enough ourselves. Exactly.
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Yeah, we had definitely ruffled some feathers up of someone
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here recently. You talk about these things and start exposing
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some of this stuff. Yeah, you're going to get a
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crosshair on your back.
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Yeah, feathers of a supernatural type of being is part
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of the allegory of the dragon.
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Yeah, the feathered serpent.
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Yes, exactly.
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Well, your end times research, that's something that I personally
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have not dove into yet. with you that I would
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actually like to since you brought it up now. You
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done opened that door, brother, so we're going there. With
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all the eschatologies and stuff, there's plenty of them out there.
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For you, which one is the most biblically sound and
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where are we at and what's it looking like going
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forward with your interpretation of the scripture?
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Yeah, I basically reject all of the standard eschatological approaches.
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And there are ones that are closer to my position,
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but every one of them has a taint to it
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that they start to rewrite scripture a little bit or
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leave out inconvenient details. And so people should understand, though,
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I'm a contrarian. And I usually stand, but it's, you know,
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when I first, wanted to learn about prophecy through reading
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Hal Lindsey's work. I mean, I was, you know, I
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bought in as a pre-trib believer. I had no reason
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to question it at that time. Okay, well, that makes sense.
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He's quoting some scriptures. But I had to walk away
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from that because of a couple of reasons. One, I
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knew there was, I learned that there was other approaches
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out there. Well, they all can't be right. They're all Christians.
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but only one can be right. But is any one
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of them correct? And they all have the same flaw.
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They place all scripture around some preconceived conclusions. And that's
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the flaw. And you can't do that. You have to...
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Prophecy is like this big jigsaw puzzle. All the pieces
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have to fit and form the picture, and it's got
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to be a clear picture. And they don't fit if
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you're not putting the pieces together properly. You can force
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as much as you want, but it doesn't look right.
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And you can leave out pieces, but then you have
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holes in there. How come there's a hole there? And so...
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my approach is a little bit different than others. And
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everybody says they do what I do until they have
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to rewrite what Jesus said, or they have to leave
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out this scripture, or they have to rewrite that scripture,
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or they have to infer, or they have to use
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something to define something that's not within the Bible. They
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all get to that sort of point. And I don't
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think you should have to do that. So my epiphany,
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was there has to be a better way. I mean,
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all this arguing amongst Christians on end-time prophecy doesn't mean
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my approach resolves the arguing because it just becomes another approach, right?
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But if you're tired of defending the indefensible, you're tired
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of rewriting Scripture, I can assure you there's a better way.
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And so my approach is a bit unique. It does
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end up with a after the abomination timing of rapture,
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but as a consequence of putting scripture together, but not mid-trip.
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But it's not pre-wrath. It's more nuanced than that in
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terms of the timing.
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I was always raised pre-trip. You know what I mean?
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Like you said, you're taught something and you don't question it.
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Then I got older and got to looking at it.
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I'm like, It doesn't fit the patterns of the Bible
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because when God brought the flood, he didn't magically pull
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Noah and his family out, you know, and then poof,
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put them back when it's all over with. No, they
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had to go through it. It was difficult.
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It was hard.
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He made provisions for them, but it was no cakewalk.
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They had to suffer a little bit. They had to endure.
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Yeah.
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Sodom and Gomorrah. There's so many, the plagues of Egypt,
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all these judgments of God. His chosen people are there
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for it. They got to suffer through it, but he
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provides for them. So I'm like, why would he change now?
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And the thing is, if you're going to make sound doctrine,
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you better have scripture that clearly says what you're saying.
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And unfortunately, in the beginning, I would accept, okay, there's
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not one scripture that says rapture occurs before the last
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seven years. Okay, I get that. But does the sum
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of the parts put that together? And it really doesn't,
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unless you start to rewrite Scripture. So that's where I
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was saying, and yet we're getting clear writings about what
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Jesus is saying about end-time prophecy and rapture as one
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of those events. It was part of the three questions
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he was asked, right? He was clearly asked three questions.
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Don't believe two. So there's so much misinformation that's taught
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by eschatology. In Matthew 24.3, it clearly says that the
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disciples came to him and they wanted to know when
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the temple and Jerusalem were going to be destroyed. And
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then they asked and, kahi, What would be the sign
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of your coming? An, kahi, is another event. It can
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be used as then and when, and a variety of
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other reasons as an, but this makes sense. An is consecutive.
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The next question is, what will be the signs or
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the major events of the coming of the end of
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the age, or the end of the world? But world
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should be age there. It's aeon. Matthew 24.3. And as
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you link in Luke and Matthew, you get the events
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of the end of this age. And so those are
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the three things that they asked him. And so you
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look at what he says in Matthew 24. And I
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used Matthew as a template and I put the additional
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details onto Matthew from Mark 13, Luke 17 and 21.
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And there was a couple other ones like Luke 9
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and Matthew 16 that I might use for the typology
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and stuff like that. But you put the extra details
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on there, and it's quite clear that Matthew 24, 4
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through 7 is giving you some of the events that's
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going to happen before the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem,
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which happens about 40 years later. And then you have,
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starting in Matthew 24-8 through to Matthew 15-20, the first
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three and a half years of the last seven years.
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It doesn't say that, but it's the events before the abomination,
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which is three and a half years. And then he
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gives his sign in Matthew 27 and his coming with
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that sign in Matthew 30-31. And the other details of
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Luke and Mark back those up and give you some
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more information on that. And that he's going to gather
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his elect, those who believe in him, not who's going
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to crucify him. Israel and Judah have a separate path.
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And the elect is used throughout the New Testament for
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the church. But it just makes sense from what he's saying.
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And so you get the events right up to the
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time of the rapture. You don't get any Armageddon events there.
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You don't get any wrath descriptions. This is all reward, glory, salvation.
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This is what he set down in Matthew 16 when
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he established his church in Luke 9. And so when
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I look at how they have to rewrite what Jesus
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said in all the different approaches, something's wrong with that.
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And it should strike you that there's something wrong with
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that when you have to rewrite Scripture. And then you
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have all the conflict waves you have to deal with
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because you didn't listen to Jesus. And what he told
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you to understand is go to the book of Daniel
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for the one who's standing where he ought not to be.
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And if that's not enough to go through Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9, 12,
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and 11, then listen to Paul, who quoted rapture. He
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quoted Jesus. directly in 1 Thessalonians 4.15. And then he
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gives you the same topology. He's using the same timing.
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When Paul is in 2 Thessalonians 2, he's using the
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same chronology Jesus is using to lead up to when
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the falling away happens and when the Antichrist is revealed,
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when he stands where he ought not to be, making
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himself king, as I mix in a few other passages there.
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So When you put everything around what Jesus said and
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go to Daniel first, and in Daniel 12 and 11,
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you're going to get the last three and a half
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year events after his sign. Now you can start to
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go to Revelation with confidence, starting in Revelation 6, and
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put those events right up to Revelation 14, 6. In
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the first three and a half years. Okay.
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So just for clarity there, are you saying that you
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think there's a pre-wrath rapture? Like we have to endure
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a lot of stuff, but right before the wrath we
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go up or at the last trumpet we go up? Yeah.
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Pre-wrath. Okay. After the abomination. And so we have to
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be rescued before the wrath. and that we do have
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our own tribulation, the tribulation of the saints. But I
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won't go into that. Tribulation is not wrath. So we
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have to go through tribulation. And we're going to see
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the abomination. Now, there's some key events that happen shortly in,
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and we don't know how long the days of the
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seventh trumpet is. Right? So it could be understood as
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a day for a year, and now we have a
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possibility of understanding that as multiple years. So it might
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go up to a couple of years or a year
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and a half into the last three and a half years,
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but we don't have that specificity. But the other thing
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that we're needed to look at in that sort of timing,
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we're also told that we will be saved from the
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hour of temptation and the hour of trial that comes
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upon the entire world, right? That has topology that comes
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with it. So when you look at the great tribulation
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in Matthew 24, 21, that begins after the tribulation of
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the saints and after the abomination, tribulation of the saints,
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if you're not aware of where it is in Matthew 24,
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it's in Matthew 24, 9 with the word afflicted, which
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is philipses, the same word for tribulation in Matthew 24, 21.
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Mark 13, 19, for the same word, for the same
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set of events, it is a great tribulation not seen
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since creation. And I just turned that off. So we
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also have topology with Daniel 12. I lost my train
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of thought there with my iPad ringing. Sorry for that.
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He's just talking about the same word being translated two
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different ways from.
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Luke to Mark. That's the days of vengeance after the
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abomination in Luke 21 that we want to escape from
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as you move further on. And this is the time
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after the abomination to look up because your redemption draws
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nigh after the abomination as well. And then this also
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matches up with Daniel 12 when Michael stands. the time
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of Revelation 12 and the war. This is going to
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be the time of trouble, the Hebrew word serah, same
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word as used in Jacob's trouble for the second exodus
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in Jeremiah 30. And this is the time also of
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the resurrection of Judah in Israel. So it's part of
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the last three and a half years, somewhere in there
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after the midpoint of the last seven years, after the abomination,
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of nations. So you have four passages, five passages that
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are all testifying with its topology for the same timing
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of the event. So it has to happen before this
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hour of trial, of temptation. That's a prophetic hour. And
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there is a prophetic hour that is associated with the
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rise of the 10 kings. handing power over to Antichrist,
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Revelation 17. There's a prophetic hour that happens at the
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time of the seventh trumpet after the death of the
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two witnesses. This is the same hour that Babylon is destroyed. Yeah.
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That makes a lot of sense because I always wondered, Gary,
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metaphorically speaking, They started off with the Pinto. They had
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the car that ran, but it didn't run good. And
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what I mean by that is the Levite priesthood, the
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sacrificial system. There was a middleman to get to God.
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it said the veil was torn. As we were talking
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about the tabernacle earlier, that holiest of holies was sectioned
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off and had the two cherubim. So it's showing you
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the access to God was restricted. But when Christ died,
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it said that thing ripped from top to bottom.
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We had access directly to God now through Jesus Christ.
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So always reading Revelation, I was like, why are we
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going to build a third temple and go back to
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the sacrificial system? We went from the Pinto.
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To the Cadillac.
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Why the hell would we trade it in to go
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back to the Pinto? That makes no sense to me.
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How you worded that, if I'm understanding you correctly, the
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church raptures out. but then as a last-ditch effort, as
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Paul says, to graft his people back in, that's where
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the two witnesses and the temple is rebuilt as a
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way to try to maybe lure his people back in,
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like a final chance type thing?
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Is that what you think? Well, I think what happens
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is with the sign... of Jesus is coming for rapture. And,
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and just let me just sort of finish off what
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I was saying. So in Matthew 24, the end comes
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after the gospel is preached. So in Revelation 14, six,
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the angel preaches the last of the gospel after 144,000
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first fruits are, um, redeemed to heaven language, just like
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the 24 elders. I'll, I'll come back to that. Um,
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And then in 14.7, you get the judgment of the
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world by the angel. And then you get Babylon's destruction.
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And then you get the mark implementation. And then you
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get another tribulation of saints who are either still there
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because rapture hasn't happened or you have rapture happening shortly
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after that. But we're told we're going to be saved
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from the hour of temptation, that mark implementation. that would
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deceive even the elect, if that were possible, is, I think,
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that temptation. Because it's going to seem so real that
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this Antichrist figure is the Messiah. It's that powerful of
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a delusion. And so, as we factor that in, we
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look at Revelation 14, starting in 14.7, you're getting the
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major events of the last three and a half years
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in sequential order. What we don't know is exactly when
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does the mark of the beast come in? We know
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the two witnesses have to be killed. We know the
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abomination has to happen. We know Babylon has to be destroyed.
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He sets up his own religion. And then he sets
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up the image and then creates the mark. Is that
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six months? Or is that up to a year or
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a year and a half? We don't know. And that's
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the nuance that we don't know. And so... When we
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look at what Paul and Jesus are telling us and
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put everything Paul said around what Jesus said, not vice versa.
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That's again where people will go wrong. They only add
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to what Jesus is saying and Paul quoted Jesus directly.
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So again, let's get things in sort of the proper
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order and you'll see the conflict sort of go away.
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So when the sign comes, that's the key thing, not
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just for us to look up because our redemption draws nigh,
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but it is an image seen all around the world.
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And as we look at that sign and that people
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are mourning for it, now that starts to ring home with,
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Old Testament prophecies in Zechariah, where Judah and Israel will
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mourn for their only son. And this happens in the
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time of the reconciliation and second Exodus of Israel and Judah.
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And the key topology in there is inside, banner, standard.
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And I think there's one other one that I missed
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on that, but there is a sign to the Gentiles.
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There's a sign to his people. This is the sign
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that Jesus is going to show for rapture and for
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second exodus. And it's going to be the sign with
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along with the abomination when he annuls that covenant that
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they realize they need to come back and accept Jesus.
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And then after that second exodus, will start from all
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over the world to meet up with the people in
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Judea who are protected for three and a half years
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as Revelation 12 tells us. So they're going to go
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into the Bozrah region because that's where Jesus starts out from.
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in second Exodus. Jesus is the breaker. He's the one
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that's going to lead that second Exodus. So yes, there
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is a separate path for Israel. It's a very stubborn path. path,
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but through the curses of the covenant, and they're going
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to be called by name. So even the lost tribes
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are awakening probably in the first three and a half years,
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and Jesus is going to break them out of prisons
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all around the world.
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That stuff's so complex, and I tell people jokingly, but
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I say this as a defense mechanism because of my ignorance.
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But they'll ask me about my eschatology and I'll be like,
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I'm a pan analyst. I'm covered by the blood of Jesus.
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It's all going to pan out. That's, you know, ultimately
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that's all that you require. But have at least somewhat
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of an understanding of prophecy. And if you're wrong, don't
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let it destroy your faith.
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Right. Because nobody knows everything about prophecy. But what I
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have to tell you is that once you know the template,
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you can go from, you know, and it's so easy
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because once you know that what the midpoint is in Revelation,
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then the details in Daniel 11 allows you to fit
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in all the Revelation details for what happens after the
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introduction of the mark. and the events that Antichrist is
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going to do in leading up to going to Armageddon
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at the end of the last seven years. Now you
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can go to, whether it's New Testament or wherever else
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you want to go, you can plug those pieces in
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onto that template. I recommend, though, that you also resolve
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Revelation 1 through 6, I mean 1 through 5, and
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go to Zechariah 1 through 5, except for one of
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those chapters, and you're going to get the throne room settings.
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And then Zechariah 6 and Revelation 6, you get good
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topology out of there that we just talked about. But
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for the throne room settings, and also understand that each
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of the seven churches have one unfulfilled prophecy. And each
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of those unfulfilled prophecies, as they come out from Ephesus forward,
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give you a macro sort of template of the last
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10 years or so of the end time, before the
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start of the last seven years, and how those prophecies fulfilled.
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And also understand that the book of Revelation, you have
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it's like a linear sort of event, but not in
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exact sort of linear order because you have such massive
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amount of events associated with each of those events. So
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like the two witnesses are going to be going for
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three and a half years. Well, that doesn't show up
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to Revelation 11, but it's still between Revelation 6 and
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Revelation 14, right? 14.6. So it still fits in there.
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So understand sort of, What's that?
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A lot of compression there.
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There is. So you have to, that's why you need
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to sort those details. You know which part of the
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last seven years it falls into, but now you just
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put it into Jesus's template and it fits. So the
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tribulation of Revelation 7, 14 saints, those are the first
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three and a half years that's talked about in Matthew 24,
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9 with afflicted or philipses. And So it helps us
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to understand that. But there's another macro code as well
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that we talked about earlier with the feasts. And we
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have the feast of the first fruits. And then we
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have the feast of trumpets. Now, if that sounds familiar,
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it gives us the resurrection sequence in 1 Corinthians there.
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Who are the first fruits? Well, we're told the 144,000
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are first fruits. If they are martyred, it makes sense.
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They are seen in heaven. We also get passages in
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Exodus and in Numbers that God reserves all of the
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firstborn of Israel. It doesn't say for what, they're his.
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They're probably the 144,000. It's the same language because they're
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redeemed to himself. It's the same language. It's the same topology.
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It's the same topology as the 24 elders who are
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redeemed before Revelation 6. And it's not the church. I mean,
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there's no topology in the Bible that says 24 stands
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for the church. There is none. Zero. And so we
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also have, at the time of the crucifixion, graves opened
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up of saints.
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The Little Seasonists use that as some of their proof
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texts that we're in Satan's Little Season because the resurrection
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already happened, they say.
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But the first fruits, first part. So Christ, the first fruits.
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And when we see Christ as first fruits with plural,
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that's accurate, but it's not referring to Jesus as the
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first fruit, which should be singular further back in 1 Corinthians,
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and it can be translated either way. And it's also
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used as first fruit for Jesus, singular elsewhere in the
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New Testament. So again, just sort of matching passages. But
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if these are now martyred saints, now it starts to
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make sense of who the ones in Revelation 6 are.
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Yeah, crying under the throne.
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Crying under the throne, asking for judgment that doesn't come.
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They're told to wait for a little season. Yeah. Exact
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words there, mikros kronos. And so those ones they're waiting
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for are those in Revelation 7.14, those who are going
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to die for the testimony of Jesus. like those in
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Revelation 6 did. So the first fruit resurrection is the
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first resurrection. That makes sense. Yeah. And then when he comes,
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those who are his. And you don't have to bend
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any scripture. You just link up the topology and it
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defines itself. But you'll notice that a lot of rapture
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people do not want to quote 1 Corinthians 15, 23
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to 24. or the rest of it that finishes that off. Why?
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Because now you have to deal with scripture you don't
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want to deal with. But after I go from Revelation,
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I go all of that discourse, put it all onto
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Matthew 24, then I go to Daniel, then I go
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to Revelation, where I go first is Jeremiah and Isaiah
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for second Exodus. And then I can overlay that onto
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that template. Now, after you've done that, for sure, there
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is no prophecy, New Testament or Old Testament, you ever
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have to worry about again, because everything fits. And all
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these other pieces will fit too.
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Yeah, and they're constantly pulling from the Old Testament. You know,
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Mike Kaiser, he wrote a good book on Revelation. He
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just showed all the instances where they're talking about the
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end times. they're constantly pulling from the Old Testament. He
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shows you the direct references with all of them. So
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that makes sense. And once again, to take it full
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circle to the beginning of our conversation, something that I
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noticed and I talked about in my book, The Epic
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of Esau, I thought it was particularly interesting because we
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got this whole priesthood, right? The battle of the birthright,
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you know, and you have the counterfeit and the real,
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and they're battling, you know, for supremacy, so to speak.
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But when you get to Revelation, I'm sorry, let me
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back up. When you get to Zechariah, when the accuser
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accuses the high priest, right? In that scene, you have Christ,
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but it says that the accuser is where? He's at
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the right hand. So I think that was kind of
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calling back to how he once was. He was once
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the right hand man to God. He was the high
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priest in heaven. But then when you get to Revelation 12,
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it says when they had that war and it says
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that old ancient twisting serpent is cast down. And then
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that the resurrection of Jesus, it says that he comes
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in where? At the right hand of the throne and
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takes the scroll. So it's like, to me, that was
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so profound because it brought tears to my eyes because
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I was like, we went from the accuser of the
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brethren at the right hand of the throne, accusing us
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day and night and traded him in for Jesus, who's
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now the high priest forever. And he's our constant intercessor
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to the throne of God.
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It's beautiful.
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And it does. It comes full circle.
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Yeah. And so what a lot of like the pre-triburals
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will use as well is they'll introduce, well, but you
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have to use the Galilean wedding tradition out of the
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book of Samuel. And I don't dispute that they have
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seven days and you could use the analogy of those
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as seven years. But the problem is, is now you
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have to wipe out all of the second Exodus prophecies
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that happened in the last three and a half years
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that brings Israel back in as the bride and in
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time for the supper and marriage of the lamb that
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happens in revelation 19 just before armageddon so what all
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the standard prophecies have to prophecy approaches have to do
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is say you cannot understand revelation there is no linear
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nature to it whatsoever and it's so esoteric we have
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to define it outside the bible as rather than from
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inside the bible and now you've got just this this
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mess going on with all of these, we'll just take
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one passage and we'll develop our eschatology out of that,
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like Revelation 12 and all the different ways people interpret that. So,
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because there's no discipline to what they do. And the
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virus in eschatology is we either have to ignore inconvenient
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passages or we have to rewrite them. And that should
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be a red flag. You should be able to define
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everything within the Bible. Yeah.
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Like you said, I mean, I think it's a good
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theory because I've observed it myself. You know, if you've
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got something that makes sense here but not here, then
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you have to ignore some things or twist some things.
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But if you have something that fits here, here, here, here,
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and it does that complete circle once again, I mean,
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I think you've got a winner right there.
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Yeah. And You get this terminology with the second coming.
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We don't get second coming as a specific word. But
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he appears a second time, but that's for salvation. That's
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the only one in Hebrews 9, 28, as I recall.
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That's the only reference to second sort of coming, other
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than we know Jesus is returning. We get the days
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of the Son of Man as it's said twice in
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Luke 17. But people say, well, his second coming isn't
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coming into the clouds because he didn't put his feet
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on the ground. I'm going, show me the scripture that
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says the second coming is putting his feet on the ground.
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There isn't a scripture for that. The first coming is
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in the clouds. And people say, well, he wouldn't do
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this sort of U-turn. I'm saying, well, maybe he doesn't
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do a U-turn. Maybe he stays after the sign because
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he's got to be on the ground to delete 2 Exodus.
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And then he goes from Bozrah up to... So if
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you're going to say the second coming is at the
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time of Armageddon, you can't use Olivet Discourse because it
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doesn't have one single descriptive word or event that would
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link you to Armageddon there, unless you infer it in,
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which they like to do, but they have no scripture
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for the inferring. They will say, well, just because it
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doesn't say anything there doesn't mean it's not part of
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the Armageddon event. There has to be something there. There
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has to be something that connects it. There has to
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be a little bit there. You can't just make this
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stuff up as you go. But if you think about it,
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if Jesus comes in the clouds for rapture first, no
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matter what, Armageddon is... the third coming. And if I'm
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right on second Exodus, then I would make it the
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fourth coming, or it's all part of the second coming,
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which is more likely the better understanding. And you have
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to remember, Jesus does this second Exodus in the face
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of Antichrist's empire. And he does it in the year
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acceptable to the Lord, that is either part of the
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year of Wrath, or it's a separate year. And you
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could interpret that either way, but I kinda look at it,
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when I look at all the nuance of the details again,
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although you could side one way or the other on that,
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I would say they're separate years. But I'm open to
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both because of the, but I just think the details
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fit them being with a separate year, and then you
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go into the year of Wrath. people will say, well,
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there's a seven years wrath. Well, it never says that
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in the Bible. You have to infer that in. And
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so only God declares wrath, not people of the earth,
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which revelation six thinks it's the wrath, but it's not
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John saying that it's not the angel saying that it's
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not God. And it's not Jesus. The angel says when
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wrath comes in full measure, starting in revelation 14, seven
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for the judgment and revelation 14, 10, um, with with
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the wrath after the mark of the the beast implementation
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but the year of wrath is said in isaiah 34
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8 and 63 2 and 63 1 through 3 and
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63 1 through 3 is really clear because that's when
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he's leaving bozra and his garments are red and it's
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the year of the wrath. It's the day of the
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Lord and the year of the redeemed. And it's classified
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there as the same year or each hour year. You
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could interpret that either way. That's why I'm not doctoring.
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doctrine and all that, it has to be two separate years.
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But as I look at all the events that are
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taking place, it looks like two separate years to me.
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That's my part of the speculation. And we do have
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lots of topology for a day for a year, beginning
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with Daniel 9, with 70 weeks, with Revelation 2, 10,
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10 days of tribulation. We get 40 years, 40 days
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and 40 years of in the Old Testament and also Ezekiel,
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you have day for a year for the application of
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the plan.
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In the comparison of Moses and Jesus, you know, because
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when they were wandering in the desert for 40 years,
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once Moses went through the water, Christ went through the water,
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his baptism, and dwelled in the wilderness for 40 days.
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So you have a correlation also.
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You've got lots of that to use as topology. So
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when it says the day of the Lord, And the
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year of the redeemed. Okay. Day of the Lord, it
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can mean the final day, but it can also mean
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the year of wrath. Yeah.
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I would lean that way myself, Gary. Well, man, Gary,
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we're coming up on two hours. I don't want to
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be totally greedy. I could go for another two with you,
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but I will resist my urges and temptations.
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To do so. It's always fun talking to you.
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I always appreciate your insights and your knowledge, brother. But man,
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before we go, let everybody know, websites, speaking engagements, anything
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go ahead and do that now before we go, brother.
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Yeah, so if people aren't aware, I don't accept donations.
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And only if a conference makes money would I accept
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we interviewed them to do the reading. So we're not
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sure how that gets around. But in the meantime, we're
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going to do another audible version that will go on
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get the issue with Amazon resolved. They're not AI readers.
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They're human beings. So hopefully we'll resolve that. So that's
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thank you so much, man. I appreciate your time. And, guys,
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I hope you enjoyed that. Be sure to check out
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First week of November and you're around Dallas, come by
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Truth or Con, hang out with me and Gary, because
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I'm going to keep my promise, Gary. We're going to
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have that beer and you're going to sign Ed the
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head for me. I want to add your signature to
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my elongated skull.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, if I'm at an event and
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you bought a book through Amazon or somebody else and
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want it signed, bring it to my table. I'll sign it.
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I do that all the time when I'm doing public events.
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Events awesome well guys i love you and thank you
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for tuning in and just remember guys the difference between
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the known and the unknown that is the journey so
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good journey my friends so we steal the fire not
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to rule not to reign just to see through smoke
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and mirrors and But slavery wears a softer face when
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fire's left behind.