Samantha Potter: Hi guys. Welcome to Off Topic. We're just gonna get into it. I sent these girls right before we started this podcast a reel on Pete Davidson, who's just a straight up douchebag from the Manosphere. And I wanted to talk about it. And so both Megan and Jenny, you guys didn't see this before.
Meagan Smith: No, never. I I had no idea what you were talking about. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: No no first timers.
Samantha Potter: First first time seeing it. Okay. have any hot takes right off the hop? just initial reaction to it.
Jenny O'Mahony: Honestly, I'm just so tired of people who have no experience in an area providing commentary on it in general, right? So like if you are in this example, a man describing women in any capacity other than an observation, I don't really care. unless you can do something better than me. your opinion is like And if you don't even have any expertise in the area, I just feel like, ugh. And it seems to happen so often with men in particular trying to like provide expertise in a and a overt public opinion about women. And I'm over it.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Like
Jenny O'Mahony: It's like the after the Cornell Seven stuff I'm just like, shut up. a man with another opinion
Meagan Smith: Yeah. And who is he?
Jenny O'Mahony: about women. Shut up.
Meagan Smith: And like who is he to have an opinion, on this? Like he's no one special. He's not, you know, he was on SNL
Jenny O'Mahony: No.
Meagan Smith: and dated a Kardashian. Like that's kinda why he's famous a hundred percent and dated he dated Kim Kardashian.
Samantha Potter: He literally slept his way to fame. I'm like so he did it at Kardashian,
Jenny O'Mahony: He dated a Kardashian? Which one?
Samantha Potter: he dated
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: Ariana Grande, he dated Kate
Meagan Smith: yeah.
Samantha Potter: Beckenstail, like he he's he literally
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: s has like slept his way to fame because he's not
Jenny O'Mahony: Ew.
Samantha Potter: that funny. So
Meagan Smith: And he's not that funny. And then I'm pretty sure he just had a baby and then like dumped the baby mama like right after the baby was born. So like he's not a good guy. And you
Jenny O'Mahony: nice No
Meagan Smith: know, he doesn't want women to be creators and make a shitload of money.
Samantha Potter: Well I just think it's like a th I don't know, it it feels like a threat to his existence, you know?
Meagan Smith: Noah, that probably is right. He feels threatened because they're making more money than him. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. And the thing about it is, and like you said it, Jenny, where you don't actually know anything about it. When you're referencing someone who's getting doing a get ready with me, making 40 million a year, the first person that comes to my mind is Alex Earl. And she is
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: a fucking brilliant businesswoman. Okay, she has millions
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't know who that is, but I believe you.
Samantha Potter: of followers. She's worth millions of dollars. Like, she is a marketer. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: And didn't she start in university like she started when she was a university student doing TikToks. Like she's g she's smart and has made so much money.
Samantha Potter: She's really smart and like the way that she has gone about her whole career, she has done a absolutely formidable job being so young as well. Like she's got she's like twenty five.
Meagan Smith: 'Cause she's she's not thirty, right?
Jenny O'Mahony: How old is she? okay.
Meagan Smith: I think she's twenty five,
Jenny O'Mahony: wow, okay.
Meagan Smith: yeah. She's young, really young.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. She's young.
Jenny O'Mahony: I also think that there's something when people go after the intelligence of other people as their go-to. To me, that just like voids their entire argument because the vast majority of humans are intelligent. And nefarious problematic humans are often more intelligent than your average person. And it's just this low blow. generic sweeping insults to go at the intelligence of somebody. I don't know, to me it's just like you haven't you couldn't even think of an actual argument or an actual thing you disagree with, so you go for intelligence. I don't know. It's just gross.
Meagan Smith: Well and then when s so when Sam sent that, I was like, What is she talking before she when she said something about Pete Davidson before you actually sent the video, I Googled what what did Pete Davidson do this week and it came up that he
Samantha Potter: Ha ha.
Jenny O'Mahony: god.
Meagan Smith: it also came up that so like the vr whole variety it was a variety interview. so he dated Kim Kardashian and then apparently he said, I'm totally paraphrasing and I say it wrong, but he compared anyone who dated a Kardashian to a survivor,
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: I'm sorry, rich white man, saying you're a survivor. And like you dated a Kardashian. What did you think you were doing? You knew what you were doing and you did it to get more famous, probably. And so I think what's your hardship? What did she
Samantha Potter: Yeah, like yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Also like what's your hardshi what's the hardship? Like what is he saying his hardship was? Did he like
Meagan Smith: Probably too much property and people in his life, but like that benefited you. He didn't say that. He said he's a survivor. Yeah. Which
Jenny O'Mahony: But he didn't say that. Do you know what I mean? Like that's the thing that that's the thing is it's No.
Meagan Smith: e again, right now, with all the hor Cornell stuff, like that is just it's so inappropriate.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. It's not appropriate.
Meagan Smith: So inappropriate. Rich man.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, absolutely terrible. I
Jenny O'Mahony: No.
Samantha Potter: have this big distrust with the coin all seven coming out. I've I've like always had mega trust issues with throughout my whole life. But I just really have this extreme distrust of men in general right now. Like my head is on an extra aware, like aware awareness. I'm
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: anywhere I go, if someone's standing too close to me, if someone's looking at me. We went bowling the other day and some older gentleman came up and was watching my daughter bowl. We were the only ones in there and I went and stood in between us, like her and him.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Samantha Potter: Cause I was like, absolutely not. I don't care if it's just innocent and you're just curious. I don't care. I don't trust you. I don't trust your intentions.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: Well, I even noticed like I was walking home from walking my kids to school this morning and I had the dog, so I walked back through the forest and I'm always and th this is a forest like in a very popular neighborhood. It's not really a forest. It's like a mini park. It's not a forest,
Jenny O'Mahony: It's not really a forest either. It's like a yeah Yeah.
Meagan Smith: yeah. It's like a mini treed tiny park area that I like cut through and there's it's so it's like right in the middle of so many houses. There's always people in there. It's really
Jenny O'Mahony: It's busy. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: busy, especially at nine o'clock in the morning. Like everyone's walking their dogs.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: But I just noticed how like I kept turning around and like looking around me.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: And I had my dog with me. Not that he's gonna do anything but and like only one AirPod
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: in, which I always only have one AirPod in, but yeah, it was just like extra cautious. And I didn't actually clue in that I was until you just said that.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Now, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. It's like this subconscious awareness
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't work.
Samantha Potter: of women who like growing up, I have, and I'm sure all three of us have done. I always had a game plan. If I were attacked, my keys were like in between my finger, like I was gonna go for the eyes
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: first. I had a plan throughout
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: if if something happened, here's what I would do. And it would be played out in my head. And I find that really odd because I have never been just randomly attacked on the street, but for some
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm mm, me neither.
Samantha Potter: reason that has been instilled in me as something that I should be aware of,
Meagan Smith: As a woman.
Samantha Potter: which is
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: so messed up.
Jenny O'Mahony: Dave and I were talking about, I I asked him if when we were in university, because he was in a fraternity, and most of my friends
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: were in the same fraternity as him, like we didn't actually meet in university, but we met through that group of friends. I was like, did this stuff happen and we just didn't know about it? Or were we different people? Like what's different? Cause this that type of thing never that I'm aware of. When I was at university, it Dave isn't aware of that happening. There were like sleazy people. And like there
Meagan Smith: For sure.
Jenny O'Mahony: were guys that you knew were sleazy, but I always had a lot of guys in our friend group, and they would walk people home. They would do what I mean? they would it's it's like they were aware that there were creeps out there and they there was an effort for girls to feel Safe? And like do they not do is that not a thing anymore?
Samantha Potter: I don't know, but I just I feel like the culture, and I've seen it come out with universities in Canada too. So like take that with a grain of salt, but I
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Samantha Potter: feel like the culture between
Meagan Smith: Yeah, it's happened.
Samantha Potter: Canadian fraternities and American fraternities is quite different.
Jenny O'Mahony: It is, yeah.
Samantha Potter: And I think that that probably has a lot to do with it. Like that's similarly,
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: I had the same experience where you know you have your guy friends who look out for you and who act who, you know, actually take the extra care to do it. But I've also seen the stories where you think that you have the guy friend
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: who actually does something then completely
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: inappropriate while they're safely walking you home. And that just
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: breaks my heart. It's like how, how, how as women are
Meagan Smith: Like how are we supposed to trust anyone?
Samantha Potter: you supposed to trust anybody? I feel like as you get older, you kind of just have a really quick snap judgment. Like you get really good at your intuition and knowing who, you know, who's a good person, who's not.
Meagan Smith: And just like the feeling.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: We get better at trusting our guts and the feeling. I don't know. I feel like
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: us all with our spicy brains too are pretty good at reading people and like
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: reading the room. Not even reading the room, but just like feeling energy, I guess.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: And you can kinda just but I was never very good at trusting that when I was younger.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: No, because we were taught not to trust.
Meagan Smith: 'Cause we were taught not to. Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Right? So 'cause we were taught so much about manners and you had be polite and all that stuff. Whereas I think there's a bit less of that now in a way. And there's more like boundaries are healthy.
Meagan Smith: Yes. Like you don't you don't have to hug a creepy uncle if you don't want to. Whereas we were told you had to. Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. Totally. But even like when my youngest was in kindergarten, she's in grade two now, their school wears uniforms and girls that year they allowed pants instead of kilts for girls. Like I cannot even believe I'm saying this within like the last three years, but
Meagan Smith: Few years, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: but like
Samantha Potter: Starbucks.
Jenny O'Mahony: s wow, right? So girls started wearing pants to school and some of the boys were like, You're dressed like a boy. Boys whose moms wore pants almost every day, to be
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: clear. Boys with progressive moms. Like I know these moms and when I told them, hey your kid said this, they were like, what the fuck? And they like fully were like, I wear pants. What is wrong with you? Why would you say this? So moms that were categorically not sending that message to their sons They were enraged that their kids said it and
Meagan Smith: No. And they were enraged that their kids said that and probably then talked to them. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: like on top of it. But when I emailed the school to be like, hey, my kid wants to go back to wearing her kilt because of these little boys, the response was that they were learning and I wanted to flip a table. No they're not. Sure they're learning, but it doesn't make it okay. It doesn't make it it's not an excuse.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. That's still not okay. Can we talk to them? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, absolutely.
Jenny O'Mahony: It's a it's a it's a contributing factor. Groups think, blah blah blah, but it's still that's not the front facing answer. But when it is the front facing Have you heard
Meagan Smith: It's also like the boys will be boys will be boys kinda
Jenny O'Mahony: that Dua Lipa song? She's
Samantha Potter: No.
Jenny O'Mahony: brilliant, by the way. She has a song called Boys Will Be Boys. Listen to it. And it it's
Samantha Potter: Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: literally. And then she even part of it, she's like, that's sarcasm, just in case you need it mansplained. she's really, she's. It's good. Pops to Dua Lipa. But it's Boys
Meagan Smith: Ha ha
Samantha Potter: Love it. Love it.
Jenny O'Mahony: Will Be Girls, but Girls Will Be Women, is the chorus. And
Samantha Potter: Mm. Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: it's it's yeah, anyways, it's good. But it's this sort of stuff where it's like those boys whose moms did more than the school did, to be clear. And I'm not saying and
Meagan Smith: Shopper.
Jenny O'Mahony: the reason I say moms is because those are whose phone numbers I had and have the dad's phone numbers, I'm sure the dads also would have been like, What the fe what the fuck? What duh, pants,
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: what the hell? Like same sort of principle.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: But the fact that even has to be from parents that aren't sending that message emphasized to kids in kindergarten. It just says so much at like a broader scale.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, but our just
Samantha Potter: For sure.
Meagan Smith: society in general. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And I feel like I keep coming back to how infuriated I get by the lack of curiosity that so many that we societally have. we just judge and we're not like, I wonder why. Right? Like there's none of this like like well where did that come from? Right? And
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: I think when you lack the curiosity, you just go from judgment to judgment and you lose rationale.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: And you can't lose rationale for things. It's really important. Like, why do we do things? Ask the question, why, right? But there's there's just it's like people just like go from one sweeping statement to the next, and then you get some shithead like Pete, what's his fucking name? Being like, these people make 40 million a year. Okay, first off, let's do a little fact check here. How many People on TikTok that are doing what he says, get ready with me videos, are genuinely making forty million dollars a year. Some will be. That's not it's not like this like
Meagan Smith: Are there a lot? Yeah. I mean some are for sure.
Jenny O'Mahony: Sure, but
Samantha Potter: Definitely.
Jenny O'Mahony: the vast majority of people that are doing that are not making 40 million a year.
Meagan Smith: No. You're not making forty million. No.
Jenny O'Mahony: And if they did, I would my first thought is like, shit, what the f like
Samantha Potter: Good for fucking them. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Good for them.
Jenny O'Mahony: that's cool. How? Tell me more.
Samantha Potter: Totally.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Good for you, most likely young twenty-something woman who has now made a shitload of money for yourself and
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: is now f like has freedom and financial freedom and you know, that's really cool.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: But also not to mention there are several male influencers making that kind of money, doing say like a get ready with
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: me, or like showing you how to play a fucking video game. Why is that inherently different? Right.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Or just watching them pla just watching them play a video game. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And to which I say,
Meagan Smith: Yeah. How is that different?
Jenny O'Mahony: good for you. Do I think that's a real job? Honestly, the thought wouldn't even cross my mind about what a real job or not. I'd just be like, okay. I always feel like the more totally. What is a real job? And the more
Meagan Smith: And what is a real job? Like you're just making money. Like right? Yeah. Like I think that's changing. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: happy, content people in the world, the better. Right? Like genuinely. That just makes the world
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: a better place. So if you were happy and content doing get ready with me videos, Am I watching them? Probably not, but I think that's great for you. Are you if you're making if you're sir happy and content, like playing video games all day, am I watching them? No. But are you happy and content? Great. I am happy for you. Like it doesn't
Meagan Smith: I don't give a shit. It doesn't impact me. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you.
Jenny O'Mahony: I do think like in bringing up the Cornell seven and all that stuff, like I do think it's pretty remarkable how it even all came to light and the response. Like, to the point where initially 'cause it it was I believe an independent reporter who was like twenty. I could be wrong. I believe she was like a university age student who put it in their newspaper, right? Like yes.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who put it in Cornell's newspaper?
Meagan Smith: It was Cornell's yeah.
Samantha Potter: But but yes.
Jenny O'Mahony: It was in because they're an independent paper. They're not it's they're the indep they're an independent press is I think the key. And she so
Meagan Smith: But they're the student newspaper, but they're independent of
Jenny O'Mahony: They're not funded by the university. So they
Meagan Smith: Got it, got it. Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: don't receive this is I could have this wrong, d massive disclaimer. But it sounds like you're nodding, Sam. So do you know? You know.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. This I've heard the same information that you're giving right now. So it's take that as you will.
Jenny O'Mahony: And that's and it's kind of like a bigger argument for having independent press because
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: they're not taking money from there's less inherent bias from an editorial standpoint.
Meagan Smith: Well even even major like major news sources, right? Like any of them they're they're not unbiased, right? So everything's biased. But I mean
Samantha Potter: They're not and you have
Jenny O'Mahony: No, I mean i everything's biased, right? We all have bias, but
Meagan Smith: but having these independent who aren't funded by certain places is yeah, how important that is.
Jenny O'Mahony: And then I mean the fact that it's got to a place where I think their faculty's doing a non confidence vote for the university, which is huge, right?
Samantha Potter: Yeah, there's been protests and then obviously all of the online outrage. I think it's actually made a huge difference because this is definitely precedent setting and not something that would normally happen, which is great to see. There's some form of accountability here, but
Jenny O'Mahony: But it has taken collective outrage. And I
Meagan Smith: Yes.
Jenny O'Mahony: personally think, at least for our age demographic, maybe not for the younger university students, but for our age demographic, the Lindsay Clancy trial primed that like female rage. Regardless of whether whether you think she did it, whether
Samantha Potter: Uh-huh.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, there's a lot of things that have happened. Yeah. And women are angry.
Jenny O'Mahony: you didn't, you don't, like any of that. We I think
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: we all well, there's some outliers say over wherever, but like for the most part, we all Feel that it she was failed by the systems that should have supported her. And it should never have been like that. Like it never should have happened
Meagan Smith: Yes. And her husband. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: from either side, whether you think Patrick did it, whether you think she did it regardless. If the systems were in place to protect women and support women, it would not have happened. And so there was so much just collective rage about that. And then when this came through, it was like fucking table flip. people are just mad.
Meagan Smith: We're just like, how is this still happen and our age group too? Like we've we've dealt with some of this. We've been, you know, we're not twenty. We've seen this happen again and again and again. And we're just fucking mad. We're like, how is this still the world we are living in? How is this the world our girls are coming into? Right? And as mothers, you're like, No, I'm
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. And why?
Jenny O'Mahony: Well Yeah.
Meagan Smith: we we need to fix this so our girls do not live in this world.
Samantha Potter: hardest part for me is that I'm still my automatic reaction is to go to how can I make sure that they are protected? And that's by like giving them the tools that they need. So whether whatever that
Meagan Smith: Hundred percent.
Samantha Potter: looks like for like you and your family, but why isn't a it a systemic change? Like why is it on
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally.
Samantha Potter: the moms to be like?
Meagan Smith: Why are we still teaching our girls to put keys between their fingers and
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: walk in the forest with one AirPod and Yeah. Totally. My kids don't either.
Jenny O'Mahony: Which my kids don't have a key. We have a punch code.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I d I don't ca I don't have a car key. Do you know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Yeah, what are you gonna use? Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: we don't have it's
Meagan Smith: No. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: not even a thing anymore, right? Like
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Totally fair.
Meagan Smith: But why are we still teaching all of the girls to do that versus making actual
Samantha Potter: And the
Meagan Smith: changes?
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: yeah. Yep, it it makes me really
Meagan Smith: And teaching our boys as well. Like I have you guys don't have boys, but I also have a son. He's young. But, you know, even having some conversations with him age appropriately, like if you saw someone being mean to someone in the playground, like what would you do? Would you just stand there or would you do something? because but not everyone if people are getting better at being like, Okay, we also need to talk to our boys about this, but not everyone is.
Jenny O'Mahony: And I think the other side of it too, like, for example, my youngest is a very introverted personality. And so she's
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: not gonna be the kid to go in and physically be like, stop doing that. It's not in her personality. So we talk about like if you feel safe, do this. But sometimes it's actually not safe to put yourself in the middle of an altercation. So it's we we give
Meagan Smith: Totally. A hundred percent.
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Jenny O'Mahony: like the two, like you need if you feel safe, you go and say stop. And if you don't, you go and get help. Right? I think when if we look at that stupid fucking group chat with the 57 of them,
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: that's part of the issue is that I I'm willing to bet there were maybe some, I'm hoping, who were like, wow, this is terrible. But maybe they didn't feel safe going in for whatever reason, but they didn't do the second part. That's what I mean. They didn't do the second part, which would be a hundred percent
Meagan Smith: But then call nine one one. Yeah. Anonymously call nine one one. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Even if, say you were passed out, you didn't even
Meagan Smith: Or anyone, call s anyone, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: know that chat was happening. In the morning you wake
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: up, you see the chat. Call ne call the call the police. You know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like this is not. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: do it anonymously if you genuinely are concerned for your safety. Like you don't need to put yourself in an unsafe position to be a leader, essentially, and to have some form of moral compass. We've decided that you can either step up or you you can't if you don't get and I think this is where TV also has not served us, is there's always like a hero. And the hero is always very physically present and whatnot, and that's not realistic for a lot of people. But you can be the hero anonymously. you don't need people to know. and I think that might be part of what we're missing.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: For sure. I there is one boy at Cornell who has come out and is like, I know who one of the people are out of the seven. I know him and he's been speaking out about he hasn't I don't think he said who it was, but he is now getting threats to his family. People have
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, saw him.
Samantha Potter: searched out his address and the lengths that people are going to protect these people is
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: mind-blowing to me. And the fact that some
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: young man was like belt brave enough to speak out and to use his platform for the greater good and help women. And this is
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: the backlash that he's getting from his peers. It's despicable.
Meagan Smith: Awful.
Jenny O'Mahony: It is. there's not even a adjective, right? There isn't one.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: It's just gross. And I think it's so easy and normal to try and compartmentalize things so that they don't apply to you, right? well, I wouldn't have been at a party. well I and it's like kinda doesn't matter in the sense that you don't
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: sure if Someone hadn't served her while she was underage. Okay, would that have made a difference? Maybe. And also, those guys would have just found someone else. Right? they were gonna do what they were gonna do. It now
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: looks like this was a repeat thing that they would do. So they were always gonna be doing that. Did it make her specifically a quote unquote easier target? Sure. But that doesn't make it like justifiable. You can't if you
Meagan Smith: No.
Jenny O'Mahony: do something morally reprehensible, that is on you. Like moral choices are an individual thing.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: You don't get to blame somebody else for what you have done.
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent agree.
Jenny O'Mahony: I think there's just a lot of entitlement too with that age demographic and a lack of accountability.
Samantha Potter: I would tend to agree with it. Have you guys had the experience of is it Gen Z? Like Gen Z at a till?
Jenny O'Mahony: Are they what are are they alpha? What are no, my kid's an alpha. My teenager's an alpha.
Meagan Smith: Like at the workplace? Yeah. Our kids are alpha.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. The Gen Z is like twenties something's, right? Like young twenties.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, okay. So like when you have
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: the Gen Zs at like helping you in a customer service role
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: and you go up to the counter and you're like, Hi, how are you? And they just stare right back at you and you're like, I'm good. They like you're just gonna have a conversation with yourself.
Meagan Smith: Or even in the workplace. I don't know if you guys like there it's just a different there's a lot of entitlement and you know, coming in at twenty two and being like, I'm gonna be the CEO next week and I don't need to work
Jenny O'Mahony: yeah.
Meagan Smith: I don't need to do these like shitty not even shitty jobs, but these like lower than me jobs. I'm like, You've never worked in your life. you need to learn.
Samantha Potter: Okay.
Meagan Smith: Try yeah, there's there is some yeah, there's definitely entitlement.
Jenny O'Mahony: Like I have students that email me to tell me that their exam date doesn't work for them.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: So you've set an exam date and they're like, No, that doesn't work for my skin. Or the school Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine
Jenny O'Mahony: I have not set the exam date. The post secondary institution has set an exam date.
Meagan Smith: emailing your teacher in university and saying, I'm sorry, that date doesn't work for me?
Jenny O'Mahony: It doesn't work for my schedule. Like what?
Meagan Smith: Like no.
Samantha Potter: As if you're gonna accommodate all like thousands of children or people.
Meagan Smith: The only way we were ever allowed to do that was if we had three back so my university had like three
Jenny O'Mahony: Right.
Meagan Smith: slots. We had like nine AM, noon, and four, whatever the slots were. And if you had
Jenny O'Mahony: Yes, we had the same at UBC.
Meagan Smith: so if you had three back to backs, but it had to be three, e and even if it was like a a noon, a four, and then a nine the next day, then you could push one. But
Jenny O'Mahony: But then you got like the random shitty slot for the makeup exams and you'd be in the room with like all the people
Meagan Smith: That was like yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: writing all the different exams. And it was very chaotic and like it was better to just write them all back to back.
Meagan Smith: And sometimes they were like in sometimes they were in January when, you know, they're a month later. S you're supposed
Samantha Potter: You're supposed to be done, yeah.
Meagan Smith: to be done that whole course and then you're s you go home over the Christmas holidays So I think it happened to me once in my four years and I didn't end up pushing it because it was a December
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-mm.
Meagan Smith: one and I would have had to do it. And I was like, screw it, I'm
Samantha Potter: In January.
Meagan Smith: just gonna stay up all night and get through this. But you w you would you would we
Jenny O'Mahony: Sleep is for the week.
Meagan Smith: couldn't just email them and be like, I'm sorry these dates don't work for my schedule.
Samantha Potter: I actually can't even imagine
Jenny O'Mahony: It's so wet.
Meagan Smith: I can't imagine doing that.
Samantha Potter: doing that.
Meagan Smith: Like, how do you respond to that?
Jenny O'Mahony: I would have
Meagan Smith: Do you just say sorry, no?
Samantha Potter: Do you just say L O L and then send it? That's like b that's probably how I would respond. I'd be like, good one.
Jenny O'Mahony: Takes a lot of composure.
Meagan Smith: On somebody.
Samantha Potter: Ha ha
Meagan Smith: And just say I'm sorry, this is how the this is the date the university has set.
Jenny O'Mahony: I'm just I usually just say something like I get scheduling yeah, t scheduling can be challenging. I hear that this is the date of the exam. Like
Samantha Potter: Tough shit's not an appropriate response to that.
Meagan Smith: Figure it out. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't know, no, that does get frowned upon. But it's like I don't like
Meagan Smith: that's too bad.
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: Hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Alright. I don't know. It's such a weird thing.
Meagan Smith: I yeah, that's so funny.
Jenny O'Mahony: We just allow people to behave badly now. Like
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: in the hospitals we allow people to behave horribly. And it's just like fine.
Samantha Potter: It is true.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Like I have started calling people out when they're just being unnecessarily rude or offside. And it has actually gone a long way. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: I know and you've sent us some of the times you do that and I love it. I love
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Like one was in an airport to like the baggage people who had lost my bag and another friend's bag. And he was so mean to me. And I just looked at him like, you need to start being nicer to me because this isn't working.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah,
Meagan Smith: it.
Jenny O'Mahony: like
Samantha Potter: And he was like, I'm not being mean to you. I'm like, You are and we can fix it and then he did. And it's just calling somebody out on it and then just being like, That's I'm
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: not gonna stand up for this.
Meagan Smith: Well and I think as women too, like we feel uncomfortable doing that and we feel
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Meagan Smith: and we're not like I don't know, I'm also in this like I'm just angry and a lot of like systems
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: and stuff are pissing me off and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna fight back and blah blah blah and I'm doing it in many ways in my life right now. but we do feel uncomfortable fighting back and it's like why? Why do we
Jenny O'Mahony: Uh-huh.
Meagan Smith: stand up for yourself 'cause we're not fighting back against something that's wrong. Like it's a lot of times
Samantha Potter: Yeah, you're fighting for the good, like greater good and for with respect.
Meagan Smith: the good and like just treat people as they shot like with respect and equally and nicely. Like just why are we being dicks and getting away with like
Jenny O'Mahony: I've started
Meagan Smith: how are we letting people get away with some of this shit?
Jenny O'Mahony: Well, this is the thing. I've started telling patients, you can swear at the situation, you cannot swear at me.
Samantha Potter: Go ahead. Go ahead.
Jenny O'Mahony: And it's amazing how they'll like snap. And I was like, you like
Meagan Smith: But that's how I deal with Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I'm not gonna swear at you. and let's just be very clear,
Meagan Smith: Yeah. 'Cause it's not your
Jenny O'Mahony: I didn't put you in the hospital.
Samantha Potter: And I'm helping you.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. I mean it's even, you know, when you're at the airport Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: You're welcome for me removing your breathing tube and like doing like you're welcome for your pain free existence while you're here.
Meagan Smith: Like I get you're mad at the situation, but it's not and that's like I feel like I do that a lot of time in customer
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. But like I didn't it's not me.
Meagan Smith: service. It's not like
Samantha Potter: Yeah, don't take it.
Meagan Smith: even when you're talking to TELUS or something, right? You're like it's not that and I've even said that I'm like, I understand this isn't your problem or you didn't do this. I'm just really frustrated. And I've apologized to TELUS people before, but I'm like, You still need to help me fix it. But you're being mean to them isn't gonna Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Isn't gonna help you. No.
Meagan Smith: Or being mean to a nurse who is literally in control of your pain medicine. Like, what are you doing? Or anybody.
Jenny O'Mahony: Or literally anybody. Well, that's just stupid.
Meagan Smith: or
Samantha Potter: should be bringing the nurses and the teachers coffees and treats and you should be kind to them because they're the best and they are saving our lives and teaching our children. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Well and teachers, like I've seen parents yell at teachers. I'm like, Are you kidding me? These poor
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. my g yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: teachers.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And like people anywhere at Costco. I saw women being horrible to somebody at Costco. I was just like Why are you mean to the Costco person?
Meagan Smith: I was at Costco yesterday and I always forget how much
Samantha Potter: Costco is hell on earth, but you can't be mean to the Costco person.
Meagan Smith: I hate. It's the worst of humanity. No.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, but also like you chose to go no one forced you to go to Costco. And if you're going dirt at like
Meagan Smith: No one made you come to Costco.
Jenny O'Mahony: six PM on a Wednesday, you are taking your life into your own hands and you're knowingly doing it. So you can't complain
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: about the lineups. Your choice is you abandon your cart. I've definitely done that before. Where I'm just like, never mind. totally. like no, this is a
Samantha Potter: I'm out, I'm out.
Meagan Smith: Screw this.
Jenny O'Mahony: this is no. Like, it's okay. It's okay. But
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Taking out your like poor planning in terms of your time or like you're having
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: a bad day on literally anybody, like go for a walk. Literally go touch grass. Touch grass.
Meagan Smith: Not okay. Not okay.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yep. Yeah. Go help yourself. Okay. Hyperfixations.
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, I am really loving the dew moisturizer, the air or instant angel one. It's like their OG
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: formula. It's really good. I really like it.
Meagan Smith: Yes, someone else has told me about this. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Is it light? T can you explain a little bit?
Jenny O'Mahony: so I it's not like a thick occlusive, but it's a heavier it it is a cream. It's a cream. If you
Meagan Smith: Is it a daytime or a nighttime one?
Jenny O'Mahony: I use it at night if you had very if you had drier skin, you could use it during the day. I
Meagan Smith: Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: personally like a lighter layer during the day just because I put sunscreen on, right? So I feel
Meagan Smith: Me too. Yeah, me too.
Jenny O'Mahony: like my sunscreen has moisturizing. It's totally. So
Meagan Smith: Kind of is your moisturizer, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: for me it's more of a nighttime one. And the s rule of thumb is you should typically use the lightest moisturizer you can for your skin. Cause like having overly heavy is like typically not actually great.
Samantha Potter: It doesn't.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: it's a bit of a thicker cream, but it's not like a it's not like you don't have some body lotions come out and you're like it's almost like a it like makes a little like snake. Yeah. No no it's
Meagan Smith: Yes. Like body butter, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: definitely a it's like a it's a moisturizer. It's like a cream, but it's it's not like a heavy like an occlusive. It's like I'd say three steps below an occlusive.
Samantha Potter: There. I'm intrigued.
Meagan Smith: Me too, I'm gonna buy it.
Jenny O'Mahony: I really like it.
Meagan Smith: I'm kinda waiting for the Sephora sale.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: There's a yeah, there's usually a fall in. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: There's usually a fall one. The rumors are that it's gonna be the end of this month, early November, but
Jenny O'Mahony: Well, that w I bet you it'll be before Black Friday. They'll do it pre
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Black Friday, is my guess.
Samantha Potter: Which is smart.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, so that's my I love it. It's so good. The CEO or founder, whatever, I love her. She's very no BS and funny, so yeah. Anyways, that's my my current fave.
Meagan Smith: love that. Yeah. We're we're and we try
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: it.
Samantha Potter: Perfect, Megan.
Meagan Smith: I've kind of been in a hole this week with endometriosis research and like doctor research, to be perfectly honest. Gone deep in down that hole. so I swear that's like what I've been hyper fixating on is just that's my hyperfixation is my chronic
Samantha Potter: Your hyperfixation.
Meagan Smith: illness. but if anyone my uterus, if anyone
Jenny O'Mahony: Your uterus. Hmm. Mm.
Meagan Smith: listening to this has endometriosis, I know all the things now. And
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, you know it all.
Meagan Smith: who the doctors are and around the world. but yeah, that's just what I've been deep diving on this week, which is interesting and frustrating. It's so
Jenny O'Mahony: That's a shitty hyperfixation though.
Samantha Potter: It really is. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: frustrating because you quickly realize how much they don't know because it's women. The same topic. They just they really
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: don't know. You know, one of the studies they did a few years ago was how does endometriosis affect the male partner's mental health? That was a study
Jenny O'Mahony: Pack off.
Meagan Smith: that was funded. And I'm like, why don't we try and figure out where it comes from? Why don't we try and figure out what helps? Because really the recommendations right now are go on really intense drugs or get really intensive surgery. That's it. Like that's
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, so or get rid
Samantha Potter: Awesome.
Jenny O'Mahony: of your uterus. Can you see
Meagan Smith: Or get rid but you're getting rid of your uterus does not solve endo. There's endo and there's adeno. Adeno is on your uterus that's what solves take hysterectomy. But
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: endometriosis is on your other organs and they just have to cut they have to cut it out of all their organs.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Does it come back if they cut it if it's all excise, does it come back?
Meagan Smith: So it's not cancer. It depends. It can. if you have a
Jenny O'Mahony: God.
Meagan Smith: really good surgeon who can get to like the root of it, it doesn't always.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Oof.
Jenny O'Mahony: Depends on the extent.
Meagan Smith: And at people like our age who are being closer to menopause, it might not because estrogen feeds it. But also
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: I'm just like, take it all out. the surgery I'm gonna get, I'm gonna have a lot of organs removed. But I'm like, then what's gonna happen? Are they all just gonna rearrange themselves? Like what? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: my gosh. Seriously.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. Yes, they will.
Meagan Smith: They will, which is a weird feeling. I'm like, but I'll probably feel ten times lighter because I won't have
Jenny O'Mahony: Jen Gunter practices in BC now. I think she's on the island somewhere. She's sounds awesome. You should see if you could get into her.
Meagan Smith: Jen Gunter. Okay, I'm gonna look at that. Yeah. And it's
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. She's very no nonsense. We love.
Meagan Smith: very interesting because there's a lot of specialist doctors around the world who will look at your case for free because they are so passionate about the
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: fact that nobody is treating this. So that's actually what I've been doing research on. And I have, I think like five or six appointments in the next week who are all gonna look at it my case for free. And it's
Jenny O'Mahony: Cool.
Samantha Potter: Amazing.
Meagan Smith: like it's like fifteen to twenty minutes, some or more. and they'll just they'll give you the they'll give you
Jenny O'Mahony: And also they should be paid for their time. Do you know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: They should be paid. These people
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: should be paid. And they're not. And they are all just so passionate about the fact that women do not understand and don't know their options. That they were like, we will talk to you for free and give you our opinion on your case. Which is pretty cool.
Samantha Potter: That's pretty cool.
Jenny O'Mahony: That is cool.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. And there's a few that will do that, which is pretty cool. Yeah. That is that is fun,
Jenny O'Mahony: For them. What about you, Sam?
Meagan Smith: deep dive. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: yeah. I was traveling again this week, so it's just been a little bit chaotic, but I downloaded a show to watch in the background of doing my work and while I was on the plane and whatnot. And the show is my hyperfixation, which is Friends and Neighbors, I think it's called. Friends and neighbors, I think
Jenny O'Mahony: that's a dangerous friends and neighbors. Where is it streaming?
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: streaming on Apple T V, I believe it is.
Meagan Smith: I think is that the John Ham one? The Madman guy? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, I'm so bad at actors. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It is with Amanda Pete, isn't it as well?
Meagan Smith: I think I watched the first season.
Samantha Potter: Okay. I just finished it and it got really weird the last like couple of episodes where
Meagan Smith: No.
Samantha Potter: they just took it way too far and I was like, my gosh, okay. it was it was
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: pretty good at first and really interesting storyline. Like the guy, The husband loses his his wife is cheating on him with one of his best friends. So then he gets a divorce, then he loses his job, and then he has to go to like stealing stuff to maintain his lifestyle in this very fancy neighborhood and pretend that everything's fine. So he'd go break into his friends' homes and find very expensive
Meagan Smith: I've totally watched some of this, yeah.
Samantha Potter: things that they just wouldn't notice are missing. Anyways, it's it's It it was it was kinda funny and then it just took a turn for the worst by the end of the second season.
Jenny O'Mahony: So he has no autistic friends, 'cause to be clear, an autistic person would know for sure if you move something in their home.
Samantha Potter: If you Yeah. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Like an inch. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. These things were tucked in drawers and well behind things. So I mean, who knows? Like I feel like if you came into my house and took something from one of my drawers, it would take me a long time to notice.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, fair.
Jenny O'Mahony: I have no object permanence. I would not notice at all. Until one day I'd be like, Wait a minute. The fridge is gone?
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah, I know. Where is this thing? Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: What? Yeah.
Meagan Smith: A week later. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: all right. Well we'll talk to you guys next week. Bye.
Jenny O'Mahony: Bye.
Meagan Smith: No, never. I I had no idea what you were talking about. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: No no first timers.
Samantha Potter: First first time seeing it. Okay. have any hot takes right off the hop? just initial reaction to it.
Jenny O'Mahony: Honestly, I'm just so tired of people who have no experience in an area providing commentary on it in general, right? So like if you are in this example, a man describing women in any capacity other than an observation, I don't really care. unless you can do something better than me. your opinion is like And if you don't even have any expertise in the area, I just feel like, ugh. And it seems to happen so often with men in particular trying to like provide expertise in a and a overt public opinion about women. And I'm over it.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Like
Jenny O'Mahony: It's like the after the Cornell Seven stuff I'm just like, shut up. a man with another opinion
Meagan Smith: Yeah. And who is he?
Jenny O'Mahony: about women. Shut up.
Meagan Smith: And like who is he to have an opinion, on this? Like he's no one special. He's not, you know, he was on SNL
Jenny O'Mahony: No.
Meagan Smith: and dated a Kardashian. Like that's kinda why he's famous a hundred percent and dated he dated Kim Kardashian.
Samantha Potter: He literally slept his way to fame. I'm like so he did it at Kardashian,
Jenny O'Mahony: He dated a Kardashian? Which one?
Samantha Potter: he dated
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: Ariana Grande, he dated Kate
Meagan Smith: yeah.
Samantha Potter: Beckenstail, like he he's he literally
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: s has like slept his way to fame because he's not
Jenny O'Mahony: Ew.
Samantha Potter: that funny. So
Meagan Smith: And he's not that funny. And then I'm pretty sure he just had a baby and then like dumped the baby mama like right after the baby was born. So like he's not a good guy. And you
Jenny O'Mahony: nice No
Meagan Smith: know, he doesn't want women to be creators and make a shitload of money.
Samantha Potter: Well I just think it's like a th I don't know, it it feels like a threat to his existence, you know?
Meagan Smith: Noah, that probably is right. He feels threatened because they're making more money than him. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. And the thing about it is, and like you said it, Jenny, where you don't actually know anything about it. When you're referencing someone who's getting doing a get ready with me, making 40 million a year, the first person that comes to my mind is Alex Earl. And she is
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: a fucking brilliant businesswoman. Okay, she has millions
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't know who that is, but I believe you.
Samantha Potter: of followers. She's worth millions of dollars. Like, she is a marketer. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: And didn't she start in university like she started when she was a university student doing TikToks. Like she's g she's smart and has made so much money.
Samantha Potter: She's really smart and like the way that she has gone about her whole career, she has done a absolutely formidable job being so young as well. Like she's got she's like twenty five.
Meagan Smith: 'Cause she's she's not thirty, right?
Jenny O'Mahony: How old is she? okay.
Meagan Smith: I think she's twenty five,
Jenny O'Mahony: wow, okay.
Meagan Smith: yeah. She's young, really young.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. She's young.
Jenny O'Mahony: I also think that there's something when people go after the intelligence of other people as their go-to. To me, that just like voids their entire argument because the vast majority of humans are intelligent. And nefarious problematic humans are often more intelligent than your average person. And it's just this low blow. generic sweeping insults to go at the intelligence of somebody. I don't know, to me it's just like you haven't you couldn't even think of an actual argument or an actual thing you disagree with, so you go for intelligence. I don't know. It's just gross.
Meagan Smith: Well and then when s so when Sam sent that, I was like, What is she talking before she when she said something about Pete Davidson before you actually sent the video, I Googled what what did Pete Davidson do this week and it came up that he
Samantha Potter: Ha ha.
Jenny O'Mahony: god.
Meagan Smith: it also came up that so like the vr whole variety it was a variety interview. so he dated Kim Kardashian and then apparently he said, I'm totally paraphrasing and I say it wrong, but he compared anyone who dated a Kardashian to a survivor,
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: I'm sorry, rich white man, saying you're a survivor. And like you dated a Kardashian. What did you think you were doing? You knew what you were doing and you did it to get more famous, probably. And so I think what's your hardship? What did she
Samantha Potter: Yeah, like yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Also like what's your hardshi what's the hardship? Like what is he saying his hardship was? Did he like
Meagan Smith: Probably too much property and people in his life, but like that benefited you. He didn't say that. He said he's a survivor. Yeah. Which
Jenny O'Mahony: But he didn't say that. Do you know what I mean? Like that's the thing that that's the thing is it's No.
Meagan Smith: e again, right now, with all the hor Cornell stuff, like that is just it's so inappropriate.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. It's not appropriate.
Meagan Smith: So inappropriate. Rich man.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, absolutely terrible. I
Jenny O'Mahony: No.
Samantha Potter: have this big distrust with the coin all seven coming out. I've I've like always had mega trust issues with throughout my whole life. But I just really have this extreme distrust of men in general right now. Like my head is on an extra aware, like aware awareness. I'm
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: anywhere I go, if someone's standing too close to me, if someone's looking at me. We went bowling the other day and some older gentleman came up and was watching my daughter bowl. We were the only ones in there and I went and stood in between us, like her and him.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Samantha Potter: Cause I was like, absolutely not. I don't care if it's just innocent and you're just curious. I don't care. I don't trust you. I don't trust your intentions.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: Well, I even noticed like I was walking home from walking my kids to school this morning and I had the dog, so I walked back through the forest and I'm always and th this is a forest like in a very popular neighborhood. It's not really a forest. It's like a mini park. It's not a forest,
Jenny O'Mahony: It's not really a forest either. It's like a yeah Yeah.
Meagan Smith: yeah. It's like a mini treed tiny park area that I like cut through and there's it's so it's like right in the middle of so many houses. There's always people in there. It's really
Jenny O'Mahony: It's busy. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: busy, especially at nine o'clock in the morning. Like everyone's walking their dogs.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: But I just noticed how like I kept turning around and like looking around me.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: And I had my dog with me. Not that he's gonna do anything but and like only one AirPod
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: in, which I always only have one AirPod in, but yeah, it was just like extra cautious. And I didn't actually clue in that I was until you just said that.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Now, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. It's like this subconscious awareness
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't work.
Samantha Potter: of women who like growing up, I have, and I'm sure all three of us have done. I always had a game plan. If I were attacked, my keys were like in between my finger, like I was gonna go for the eyes
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: first. I had a plan throughout
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: if if something happened, here's what I would do. And it would be played out in my head. And I find that really odd because I have never been just randomly attacked on the street, but for some
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm mm, me neither.
Samantha Potter: reason that has been instilled in me as something that I should be aware of,
Meagan Smith: As a woman.
Samantha Potter: which is
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: so messed up.
Jenny O'Mahony: Dave and I were talking about, I I asked him if when we were in university, because he was in a fraternity, and most of my friends
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: were in the same fraternity as him, like we didn't actually meet in university, but we met through that group of friends. I was like, did this stuff happen and we just didn't know about it? Or were we different people? Like what's different? Cause this that type of thing never that I'm aware of. When I was at university, it Dave isn't aware of that happening. There were like sleazy people. And like there
Meagan Smith: For sure.
Jenny O'Mahony: were guys that you knew were sleazy, but I always had a lot of guys in our friend group, and they would walk people home. They would do what I mean? they would it's it's like they were aware that there were creeps out there and they there was an effort for girls to feel Safe? And like do they not do is that not a thing anymore?
Samantha Potter: I don't know, but I just I feel like the culture, and I've seen it come out with universities in Canada too. So like take that with a grain of salt, but I
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Samantha Potter: feel like the culture between
Meagan Smith: Yeah, it's happened.
Samantha Potter: Canadian fraternities and American fraternities is quite different.
Jenny O'Mahony: It is, yeah.
Samantha Potter: And I think that that probably has a lot to do with it. Like that's similarly,
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: I had the same experience where you know you have your guy friends who look out for you and who act who, you know, actually take the extra care to do it. But I've also seen the stories where you think that you have the guy friend
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: who actually does something then completely
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: inappropriate while they're safely walking you home. And that just
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: breaks my heart. It's like how, how, how as women are
Meagan Smith: Like how are we supposed to trust anyone?
Samantha Potter: you supposed to trust anybody? I feel like as you get older, you kind of just have a really quick snap judgment. Like you get really good at your intuition and knowing who, you know, who's a good person, who's not.
Meagan Smith: And just like the feeling.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: We get better at trusting our guts and the feeling. I don't know. I feel like
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: us all with our spicy brains too are pretty good at reading people and like
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: reading the room. Not even reading the room, but just like feeling energy, I guess.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: And you can kinda just but I was never very good at trusting that when I was younger.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: No, because we were taught not to trust.
Meagan Smith: 'Cause we were taught not to. Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Right? So 'cause we were taught so much about manners and you had be polite and all that stuff. Whereas I think there's a bit less of that now in a way. And there's more like boundaries are healthy.
Meagan Smith: Yes. Like you don't you don't have to hug a creepy uncle if you don't want to. Whereas we were told you had to. Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. Totally. But even like when my youngest was in kindergarten, she's in grade two now, their school wears uniforms and girls that year they allowed pants instead of kilts for girls. Like I cannot even believe I'm saying this within like the last three years, but
Meagan Smith: Few years, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: but like
Samantha Potter: Starbucks.
Jenny O'Mahony: s wow, right? So girls started wearing pants to school and some of the boys were like, You're dressed like a boy. Boys whose moms wore pants almost every day, to be
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: clear. Boys with progressive moms. Like I know these moms and when I told them, hey your kid said this, they were like, what the fuck? And they like fully were like, I wear pants. What is wrong with you? Why would you say this? So moms that were categorically not sending that message to their sons They were enraged that their kids said it and
Meagan Smith: No. And they were enraged that their kids said that and probably then talked to them. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: like on top of it. But when I emailed the school to be like, hey, my kid wants to go back to wearing her kilt because of these little boys, the response was that they were learning and I wanted to flip a table. No they're not. Sure they're learning, but it doesn't make it okay. It doesn't make it it's not an excuse.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. That's still not okay. Can we talk to them? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, absolutely.
Jenny O'Mahony: It's a it's a it's a contributing factor. Groups think, blah blah blah, but it's still that's not the front facing answer. But when it is the front facing Have you heard
Meagan Smith: It's also like the boys will be boys will be boys kinda
Jenny O'Mahony: that Dua Lipa song? She's
Samantha Potter: No.
Jenny O'Mahony: brilliant, by the way. She has a song called Boys Will Be Boys. Listen to it. And it it's
Samantha Potter: Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: literally. And then she even part of it, she's like, that's sarcasm, just in case you need it mansplained. she's really, she's. It's good. Pops to Dua Lipa. But it's Boys
Meagan Smith: Ha ha
Samantha Potter: Love it. Love it.
Jenny O'Mahony: Will Be Girls, but Girls Will Be Women, is the chorus. And
Samantha Potter: Mm. Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: it's it's yeah, anyways, it's good. But it's this sort of stuff where it's like those boys whose moms did more than the school did, to be clear. And I'm not saying and
Meagan Smith: Shopper.
Jenny O'Mahony: the reason I say moms is because those are whose phone numbers I had and have the dad's phone numbers, I'm sure the dads also would have been like, What the fe what the fuck? What duh, pants,
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: what the hell? Like same sort of principle.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: But the fact that even has to be from parents that aren't sending that message emphasized to kids in kindergarten. It just says so much at like a broader scale.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, but our just
Samantha Potter: For sure.
Meagan Smith: society in general. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And I feel like I keep coming back to how infuriated I get by the lack of curiosity that so many that we societally have. we just judge and we're not like, I wonder why. Right? Like there's none of this like like well where did that come from? Right? And
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: I think when you lack the curiosity, you just go from judgment to judgment and you lose rationale.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: And you can't lose rationale for things. It's really important. Like, why do we do things? Ask the question, why, right? But there's there's just it's like people just like go from one sweeping statement to the next, and then you get some shithead like Pete, what's his fucking name? Being like, these people make 40 million a year. Okay, first off, let's do a little fact check here. How many People on TikTok that are doing what he says, get ready with me videos, are genuinely making forty million dollars a year. Some will be. That's not it's not like this like
Meagan Smith: Are there a lot? Yeah. I mean some are for sure.
Jenny O'Mahony: Sure, but
Samantha Potter: Definitely.
Jenny O'Mahony: the vast majority of people that are doing that are not making 40 million a year.
Meagan Smith: No. You're not making forty million. No.
Jenny O'Mahony: And if they did, I would my first thought is like, shit, what the f like
Samantha Potter: Good for fucking them. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Good for them.
Jenny O'Mahony: that's cool. How? Tell me more.
Samantha Potter: Totally.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Good for you, most likely young twenty-something woman who has now made a shitload of money for yourself and
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: is now f like has freedom and financial freedom and you know, that's really cool.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: But also not to mention there are several male influencers making that kind of money, doing say like a get ready with
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: me, or like showing you how to play a fucking video game. Why is that inherently different? Right.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Or just watching them pla just watching them play a video game. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And to which I say,
Meagan Smith: Yeah. How is that different?
Jenny O'Mahony: good for you. Do I think that's a real job? Honestly, the thought wouldn't even cross my mind about what a real job or not. I'd just be like, okay. I always feel like the more totally. What is a real job? And the more
Meagan Smith: And what is a real job? Like you're just making money. Like right? Yeah. Like I think that's changing. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: happy, content people in the world, the better. Right? Like genuinely. That just makes the world
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: a better place. So if you were happy and content doing get ready with me videos, Am I watching them? Probably not, but I think that's great for you. Are you if you're making if you're sir happy and content, like playing video games all day, am I watching them? No. But are you happy and content? Great. I am happy for you. Like it doesn't
Meagan Smith: I don't give a shit. It doesn't impact me. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you.
Jenny O'Mahony: I do think like in bringing up the Cornell seven and all that stuff, like I do think it's pretty remarkable how it even all came to light and the response. Like, to the point where initially 'cause it it was I believe an independent reporter who was like twenty. I could be wrong. I believe she was like a university age student who put it in their newspaper, right? Like yes.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who put it in Cornell's newspaper?
Meagan Smith: It was Cornell's yeah.
Samantha Potter: But but yes.
Jenny O'Mahony: It was in because they're an independent paper. They're not it's they're the indep they're an independent press is I think the key. And she so
Meagan Smith: But they're the student newspaper, but they're independent of
Jenny O'Mahony: They're not funded by the university. So they
Meagan Smith: Got it, got it. Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: don't receive this is I could have this wrong, d massive disclaimer. But it sounds like you're nodding, Sam. So do you know? You know.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. This I've heard the same information that you're giving right now. So it's take that as you will.
Jenny O'Mahony: And that's and it's kind of like a bigger argument for having independent press because
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: they're not taking money from there's less inherent bias from an editorial standpoint.
Meagan Smith: Well even even major like major news sources, right? Like any of them they're they're not unbiased, right? So everything's biased. But I mean
Samantha Potter: They're not and you have
Jenny O'Mahony: No, I mean i everything's biased, right? We all have bias, but
Meagan Smith: but having these independent who aren't funded by certain places is yeah, how important that is.
Jenny O'Mahony: And then I mean the fact that it's got to a place where I think their faculty's doing a non confidence vote for the university, which is huge, right?
Samantha Potter: Yeah, there's been protests and then obviously all of the online outrage. I think it's actually made a huge difference because this is definitely precedent setting and not something that would normally happen, which is great to see. There's some form of accountability here, but
Jenny O'Mahony: But it has taken collective outrage. And I
Meagan Smith: Yes.
Jenny O'Mahony: personally think, at least for our age demographic, maybe not for the younger university students, but for our age demographic, the Lindsay Clancy trial primed that like female rage. Regardless of whether whether you think she did it, whether
Samantha Potter: Uh-huh.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, there's a lot of things that have happened. Yeah. And women are angry.
Jenny O'Mahony: you didn't, you don't, like any of that. We I think
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: we all well, there's some outliers say over wherever, but like for the most part, we all Feel that it she was failed by the systems that should have supported her. And it should never have been like that. Like it never should have happened
Meagan Smith: Yes. And her husband. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: from either side, whether you think Patrick did it, whether you think she did it regardless. If the systems were in place to protect women and support women, it would not have happened. And so there was so much just collective rage about that. And then when this came through, it was like fucking table flip. people are just mad.
Meagan Smith: We're just like, how is this still happen and our age group too? Like we've we've dealt with some of this. We've been, you know, we're not twenty. We've seen this happen again and again and again. And we're just fucking mad. We're like, how is this still the world we are living in? How is this the world our girls are coming into? Right? And as mothers, you're like, No, I'm
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. And why?
Jenny O'Mahony: Well Yeah.
Meagan Smith: we we need to fix this so our girls do not live in this world.
Samantha Potter: hardest part for me is that I'm still my automatic reaction is to go to how can I make sure that they are protected? And that's by like giving them the tools that they need. So whether whatever that
Meagan Smith: Hundred percent.
Samantha Potter: looks like for like you and your family, but why isn't a it a systemic change? Like why is it on
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally.
Samantha Potter: the moms to be like?
Meagan Smith: Why are we still teaching our girls to put keys between their fingers and
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: walk in the forest with one AirPod and Yeah. Totally. My kids don't either.
Jenny O'Mahony: Which my kids don't have a key. We have a punch code.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I d I don't ca I don't have a car key. Do you know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Yeah, what are you gonna use? Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: we don't have it's
Meagan Smith: No. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: not even a thing anymore, right? Like
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Totally fair.
Meagan Smith: But why are we still teaching all of the girls to do that versus making actual
Samantha Potter: And the
Meagan Smith: changes?
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: yeah. Yep, it it makes me really
Meagan Smith: And teaching our boys as well. Like I have you guys don't have boys, but I also have a son. He's young. But, you know, even having some conversations with him age appropriately, like if you saw someone being mean to someone in the playground, like what would you do? Would you just stand there or would you do something? because but not everyone if people are getting better at being like, Okay, we also need to talk to our boys about this, but not everyone is.
Jenny O'Mahony: And I think the other side of it too, like, for example, my youngest is a very introverted personality. And so she's
Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: not gonna be the kid to go in and physically be like, stop doing that. It's not in her personality. So we talk about like if you feel safe, do this. But sometimes it's actually not safe to put yourself in the middle of an altercation. So it's we we give
Meagan Smith: Totally. A hundred percent.
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Jenny O'Mahony: like the two, like you need if you feel safe, you go and say stop. And if you don't, you go and get help. Right? I think when if we look at that stupid fucking group chat with the 57 of them,
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: that's part of the issue is that I I'm willing to bet there were maybe some, I'm hoping, who were like, wow, this is terrible. But maybe they didn't feel safe going in for whatever reason, but they didn't do the second part. That's what I mean. They didn't do the second part, which would be a hundred percent
Meagan Smith: But then call nine one one. Yeah. Anonymously call nine one one. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Even if, say you were passed out, you didn't even
Meagan Smith: Or anyone, call s anyone, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: know that chat was happening. In the morning you wake
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: up, you see the chat. Call ne call the call the police. You know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like this is not. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: do it anonymously if you genuinely are concerned for your safety. Like you don't need to put yourself in an unsafe position to be a leader, essentially, and to have some form of moral compass. We've decided that you can either step up or you you can't if you don't get and I think this is where TV also has not served us, is there's always like a hero. And the hero is always very physically present and whatnot, and that's not realistic for a lot of people. But you can be the hero anonymously. you don't need people to know. and I think that might be part of what we're missing.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: For sure. I there is one boy at Cornell who has come out and is like, I know who one of the people are out of the seven. I know him and he's been speaking out about he hasn't I don't think he said who it was, but he is now getting threats to his family. People have
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, saw him.
Samantha Potter: searched out his address and the lengths that people are going to protect these people is
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: mind-blowing to me. And the fact that some
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: young man was like belt brave enough to speak out and to use his platform for the greater good and help women. And this is
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: the backlash that he's getting from his peers. It's despicable.
Meagan Smith: Awful.
Jenny O'Mahony: It is. there's not even a adjective, right? There isn't one.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: It's just gross. And I think it's so easy and normal to try and compartmentalize things so that they don't apply to you, right? well, I wouldn't have been at a party. well I and it's like kinda doesn't matter in the sense that you don't
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: sure if Someone hadn't served her while she was underage. Okay, would that have made a difference? Maybe. And also, those guys would have just found someone else. Right? they were gonna do what they were gonna do. It now
Meagan Smith: Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: looks like this was a repeat thing that they would do. So they were always gonna be doing that. Did it make her specifically a quote unquote easier target? Sure. But that doesn't make it like justifiable. You can't if you
Meagan Smith: No.
Jenny O'Mahony: do something morally reprehensible, that is on you. Like moral choices are an individual thing.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: You don't get to blame somebody else for what you have done.
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent agree.
Jenny O'Mahony: I think there's just a lot of entitlement too with that age demographic and a lack of accountability.
Samantha Potter: I would tend to agree with it. Have you guys had the experience of is it Gen Z? Like Gen Z at a till?
Jenny O'Mahony: Are they what are are they alpha? What are no, my kid's an alpha. My teenager's an alpha.
Meagan Smith: Like at the workplace? Yeah. Our kids are alpha.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. The Gen Z is like twenties something's, right? Like young twenties.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, okay. So like when you have
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: the Gen Zs at like helping you in a customer service role
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: and you go up to the counter and you're like, Hi, how are you? And they just stare right back at you and you're like, I'm good. They like you're just gonna have a conversation with yourself.
Meagan Smith: Or even in the workplace. I don't know if you guys like there it's just a different there's a lot of entitlement and you know, coming in at twenty two and being like, I'm gonna be the CEO next week and I don't need to work
Jenny O'Mahony: yeah.
Meagan Smith: I don't need to do these like shitty not even shitty jobs, but these like lower than me jobs. I'm like, You've never worked in your life. you need to learn.
Samantha Potter: Okay.
Meagan Smith: Try yeah, there's there is some yeah, there's definitely entitlement.
Jenny O'Mahony: Like I have students that email me to tell me that their exam date doesn't work for them.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: So you've set an exam date and they're like, No, that doesn't work for my skin. Or the school Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine
Jenny O'Mahony: I have not set the exam date. The post secondary institution has set an exam date.
Meagan Smith: emailing your teacher in university and saying, I'm sorry, that date doesn't work for me?
Jenny O'Mahony: It doesn't work for my schedule. Like what?
Meagan Smith: Like no.
Samantha Potter: As if you're gonna accommodate all like thousands of children or people.
Meagan Smith: The only way we were ever allowed to do that was if we had three back so my university had like three
Jenny O'Mahony: Right.
Meagan Smith: slots. We had like nine AM, noon, and four, whatever the slots were. And if you had
Jenny O'Mahony: Yes, we had the same at UBC.
Meagan Smith: so if you had three back to backs, but it had to be three, e and even if it was like a a noon, a four, and then a nine the next day, then you could push one. But
Jenny O'Mahony: But then you got like the random shitty slot for the makeup exams and you'd be in the room with like all the people
Meagan Smith: That was like yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: writing all the different exams. And it was very chaotic and like it was better to just write them all back to back.
Meagan Smith: And sometimes they were like in sometimes they were in January when, you know, they're a month later. S you're supposed
Samantha Potter: You're supposed to be done, yeah.
Meagan Smith: to be done that whole course and then you're s you go home over the Christmas holidays So I think it happened to me once in my four years and I didn't end up pushing it because it was a December
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-mm.
Meagan Smith: one and I would have had to do it. And I was like, screw it, I'm
Samantha Potter: In January.
Meagan Smith: just gonna stay up all night and get through this. But you w you would you would we
Jenny O'Mahony: Sleep is for the week.
Meagan Smith: couldn't just email them and be like, I'm sorry these dates don't work for my schedule.
Samantha Potter: I actually can't even imagine
Jenny O'Mahony: It's so wet.
Meagan Smith: I can't imagine doing that.
Samantha Potter: doing that.
Meagan Smith: Like, how do you respond to that?
Jenny O'Mahony: I would have
Meagan Smith: Do you just say sorry, no?
Samantha Potter: Do you just say L O L and then send it? That's like b that's probably how I would respond. I'd be like, good one.
Jenny O'Mahony: Takes a lot of composure.
Meagan Smith: On somebody.
Samantha Potter: Ha ha
Meagan Smith: And just say I'm sorry, this is how the this is the date the university has set.
Jenny O'Mahony: I'm just I usually just say something like I get scheduling yeah, t scheduling can be challenging. I hear that this is the date of the exam. Like
Samantha Potter: Tough shit's not an appropriate response to that.
Meagan Smith: Figure it out. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I don't know, no, that does get frowned upon. But it's like I don't like
Meagan Smith: that's too bad.
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay.
Samantha Potter: Hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Alright. I don't know. It's such a weird thing.
Meagan Smith: I yeah, that's so funny.
Jenny O'Mahony: We just allow people to behave badly now. Like
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: in the hospitals we allow people to behave horribly. And it's just like fine.
Samantha Potter: It is true.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Like I have started calling people out when they're just being unnecessarily rude or offside. And it has actually gone a long way. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: I know and you've sent us some of the times you do that and I love it. I love
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Like one was in an airport to like the baggage people who had lost my bag and another friend's bag. And he was so mean to me. And I just looked at him like, you need to start being nicer to me because this isn't working.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah,
Meagan Smith: it.
Jenny O'Mahony: like
Samantha Potter: And he was like, I'm not being mean to you. I'm like, You are and we can fix it and then he did. And it's just calling somebody out on it and then just being like, That's I'm
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: not gonna stand up for this.
Meagan Smith: Well and I think as women too, like we feel uncomfortable doing that and we feel
Samantha Potter: Hundred percent.
Meagan Smith: and we're not like I don't know, I'm also in this like I'm just angry and a lot of like systems
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: and stuff are pissing me off and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna fight back and blah blah blah and I'm doing it in many ways in my life right now. but we do feel uncomfortable fighting back and it's like why? Why do we
Jenny O'Mahony: Uh-huh.
Meagan Smith: stand up for yourself 'cause we're not fighting back against something that's wrong. Like it's a lot of times
Samantha Potter: Yeah, you're fighting for the good, like greater good and for with respect.
Meagan Smith: the good and like just treat people as they shot like with respect and equally and nicely. Like just why are we being dicks and getting away with like
Jenny O'Mahony: I've started
Meagan Smith: how are we letting people get away with some of this shit?
Jenny O'Mahony: Well, this is the thing. I've started telling patients, you can swear at the situation, you cannot swear at me.
Samantha Potter: Go ahead. Go ahead.
Jenny O'Mahony: And it's amazing how they'll like snap. And I was like, you like
Meagan Smith: But that's how I deal with Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: I'm not gonna swear at you. and let's just be very clear,
Meagan Smith: Yeah. 'Cause it's not your
Jenny O'Mahony: I didn't put you in the hospital.
Samantha Potter: And I'm helping you.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. I mean it's even, you know, when you're at the airport Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: You're welcome for me removing your breathing tube and like doing like you're welcome for your pain free existence while you're here.
Meagan Smith: Like I get you're mad at the situation, but it's not and that's like I feel like I do that a lot of time in customer
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. But like I didn't it's not me.
Meagan Smith: service. It's not like
Samantha Potter: Yeah, don't take it.
Meagan Smith: even when you're talking to TELUS or something, right? You're like it's not that and I've even said that I'm like, I understand this isn't your problem or you didn't do this. I'm just really frustrated. And I've apologized to TELUS people before, but I'm like, You still need to help me fix it. But you're being mean to them isn't gonna Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Isn't gonna help you. No.
Meagan Smith: Or being mean to a nurse who is literally in control of your pain medicine. Like, what are you doing? Or anybody.
Jenny O'Mahony: Or literally anybody. Well, that's just stupid.
Meagan Smith: or
Samantha Potter: should be bringing the nurses and the teachers coffees and treats and you should be kind to them because they're the best and they are saving our lives and teaching our children. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Well and teachers, like I've seen parents yell at teachers. I'm like, Are you kidding me? These poor
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. my g yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: teachers.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: And like people anywhere at Costco. I saw women being horrible to somebody at Costco. I was just like Why are you mean to the Costco person?
Meagan Smith: I was at Costco yesterday and I always forget how much
Samantha Potter: Costco is hell on earth, but you can't be mean to the Costco person.
Meagan Smith: I hate. It's the worst of humanity. No.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, but also like you chose to go no one forced you to go to Costco. And if you're going dirt at like
Meagan Smith: No one made you come to Costco.
Jenny O'Mahony: six PM on a Wednesday, you are taking your life into your own hands and you're knowingly doing it. So you can't complain
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: about the lineups. Your choice is you abandon your cart. I've definitely done that before. Where I'm just like, never mind. totally. like no, this is a
Samantha Potter: I'm out, I'm out.
Meagan Smith: Screw this.
Jenny O'Mahony: this is no. Like, it's okay. It's okay. But
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Taking out your like poor planning in terms of your time or like you're having
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: a bad day on literally anybody, like go for a walk. Literally go touch grass. Touch grass.
Meagan Smith: Not okay. Not okay.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yep. Yeah. Go help yourself. Okay. Hyperfixations.
Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, I am really loving the dew moisturizer, the air or instant angel one. It's like their OG
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Jenny O'Mahony: formula. It's really good. I really like it.
Meagan Smith: Yes, someone else has told me about this. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Is it light? T can you explain a little bit?
Jenny O'Mahony: so I it's not like a thick occlusive, but it's a heavier it it is a cream. It's a cream. If you
Meagan Smith: Is it a daytime or a nighttime one?
Jenny O'Mahony: I use it at night if you had very if you had drier skin, you could use it during the day. I
Meagan Smith: Okay.
Jenny O'Mahony: personally like a lighter layer during the day just because I put sunscreen on, right? So I feel
Meagan Smith: Me too. Yeah, me too.
Jenny O'Mahony: like my sunscreen has moisturizing. It's totally. So
Meagan Smith: Kind of is your moisturizer, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: for me it's more of a nighttime one. And the s rule of thumb is you should typically use the lightest moisturizer you can for your skin. Cause like having overly heavy is like typically not actually great.
Samantha Potter: It doesn't.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: it's a bit of a thicker cream, but it's not like a it's not like you don't have some body lotions come out and you're like it's almost like a it like makes a little like snake. Yeah. No no it's
Meagan Smith: Yes. Like body butter, yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: definitely a it's like a it's a moisturizer. It's like a cream, but it's it's not like a heavy like an occlusive. It's like I'd say three steps below an occlusive.
Samantha Potter: There. I'm intrigued.
Meagan Smith: Me too, I'm gonna buy it.
Jenny O'Mahony: I really like it.
Meagan Smith: I'm kinda waiting for the Sephora sale.
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Potter: There's a yeah, there's usually a fall in. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: There's usually a fall one. The rumors are that it's gonna be the end of this month, early November, but
Jenny O'Mahony: Well, that w I bet you it'll be before Black Friday. They'll do it pre
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Black Friday, is my guess.
Samantha Potter: Which is smart.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, so that's my I love it. It's so good. The CEO or founder, whatever, I love her. She's very no BS and funny, so yeah. Anyways, that's my my current fave.
Meagan Smith: love that. Yeah. We're we're and we try
Samantha Potter: Mm.
Meagan Smith: it.
Samantha Potter: Perfect, Megan.
Meagan Smith: I've kind of been in a hole this week with endometriosis research and like doctor research, to be perfectly honest. Gone deep in down that hole. so I swear that's like what I've been hyper fixating on is just that's my hyperfixation is my chronic
Samantha Potter: Your hyperfixation.
Meagan Smith: illness. but if anyone my uterus, if anyone
Jenny O'Mahony: Your uterus. Hmm. Mm.
Meagan Smith: listening to this has endometriosis, I know all the things now. And
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, you know it all.
Meagan Smith: who the doctors are and around the world. but yeah, that's just what I've been deep diving on this week, which is interesting and frustrating. It's so
Jenny O'Mahony: That's a shitty hyperfixation though.
Samantha Potter: It really is. Yeah.
Meagan Smith: frustrating because you quickly realize how much they don't know because it's women. The same topic. They just they really
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: don't know. You know, one of the studies they did a few years ago was how does endometriosis affect the male partner's mental health? That was a study
Jenny O'Mahony: Pack off.
Meagan Smith: that was funded. And I'm like, why don't we try and figure out where it comes from? Why don't we try and figure out what helps? Because really the recommendations right now are go on really intense drugs or get really intensive surgery. That's it. Like that's
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, so or get rid
Samantha Potter: Awesome.
Jenny O'Mahony: of your uterus. Can you see
Meagan Smith: Or get rid but you're getting rid of your uterus does not solve endo. There's endo and there's adeno. Adeno is on your uterus that's what solves take hysterectomy. But
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: endometriosis is on your other organs and they just have to cut they have to cut it out of all their organs.
Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm.
Jenny O'Mahony: Does it come back if they cut it if it's all excise, does it come back?
Meagan Smith: So it's not cancer. It depends. It can. if you have a
Jenny O'Mahony: God.
Meagan Smith: really good surgeon who can get to like the root of it, it doesn't always.
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Oof.
Jenny O'Mahony: Depends on the extent.
Meagan Smith: And at people like our age who are being closer to menopause, it might not because estrogen feeds it. But also
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm.
Meagan Smith: I'm just like, take it all out. the surgery I'm gonna get, I'm gonna have a lot of organs removed. But I'm like, then what's gonna happen? Are they all just gonna rearrange themselves? Like what? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: my gosh. Seriously.
Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. Yes, they will.
Meagan Smith: They will, which is a weird feeling. I'm like, but I'll probably feel ten times lighter because I won't have
Jenny O'Mahony: Jen Gunter practices in BC now. I think she's on the island somewhere. She's sounds awesome. You should see if you could get into her.
Meagan Smith: Jen Gunter. Okay, I'm gonna look at that. Yeah. And it's
Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. She's very no nonsense. We love.
Meagan Smith: very interesting because there's a lot of specialist doctors around the world who will look at your case for free because they are so passionate about the
Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm.
Meagan Smith: fact that nobody is treating this. So that's actually what I've been doing research on. And I have, I think like five or six appointments in the next week who are all gonna look at it my case for free. And it's
Jenny O'Mahony: Cool.
Samantha Potter: Amazing.
Meagan Smith: like it's like fifteen to twenty minutes, some or more. and they'll just they'll give you the they'll give you
Jenny O'Mahony: And also they should be paid for their time. Do you know what I mean? Like
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: They should be paid. These people
Samantha Potter: Yeah.
Meagan Smith: should be paid. And they're not. And they are all just so passionate about the fact that women do not understand and don't know their options. That they were like, we will talk to you for free and give you our opinion on your case. Which is pretty cool.
Samantha Potter: That's pretty cool.
Jenny O'Mahony: That is cool.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. And there's a few that will do that, which is pretty cool. Yeah. That is that is fun,
Jenny O'Mahony: For them. What about you, Sam?
Meagan Smith: deep dive. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: yeah. I was traveling again this week, so it's just been a little bit chaotic, but I downloaded a show to watch in the background of doing my work and while I was on the plane and whatnot. And the show is my hyperfixation, which is Friends and Neighbors, I think it's called. Friends and neighbors, I think
Jenny O'Mahony: that's a dangerous friends and neighbors. Where is it streaming?
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: streaming on Apple T V, I believe it is.
Meagan Smith: I think is that the John Ham one? The Madman guy? Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah, I'm so bad at actors. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It is with Amanda Pete, isn't it as well?
Meagan Smith: I think I watched the first season.
Samantha Potter: Okay. I just finished it and it got really weird the last like couple of episodes where
Meagan Smith: No.
Samantha Potter: they just took it way too far and I was like, my gosh, okay. it was it was
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Samantha Potter: pretty good at first and really interesting storyline. Like the guy, The husband loses his his wife is cheating on him with one of his best friends. So then he gets a divorce, then he loses his job, and then he has to go to like stealing stuff to maintain his lifestyle in this very fancy neighborhood and pretend that everything's fine. So he'd go break into his friends' homes and find very expensive
Meagan Smith: I've totally watched some of this, yeah.
Samantha Potter: things that they just wouldn't notice are missing. Anyways, it's it's It it was it was kinda funny and then it just took a turn for the worst by the end of the second season.
Jenny O'Mahony: So he has no autistic friends, 'cause to be clear, an autistic person would know for sure if you move something in their home.
Samantha Potter: If you Yeah. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Like an inch. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: Yeah. These things were tucked in drawers and well behind things. So I mean, who knows? Like I feel like if you came into my house and took something from one of my drawers, it would take me a long time to notice.
Meagan Smith: Yeah, fair.
Jenny O'Mahony: I have no object permanence. I would not notice at all. Until one day I'd be like, Wait a minute. The fridge is gone?
Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah, I know. Where is this thing? Yeah.
Meagan Smith: Yeah.
Jenny O'Mahony: What? Yeah.
Meagan Smith: A week later. Yeah.
Samantha Potter: all right. Well we'll talk to you guys next week. Bye.
Jenny O'Mahony: Bye.
