MTN PHYSIO PERFORMANCE PODCAST EP. 19 | HENRY FERGUSON

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to the Mountain Fizio performance podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am your host, Dr. Preston Ward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ladies and gentlemen, got a super good guest on tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm super excited for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly because I love Mule there and I know this guest as well, things Mule there better than elk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got in the house, Mr. Big Chief, lack a buck himself, Henry Ferguson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Henry, thank you for joining welcome to the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me, Preston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I don't think Mielder better than Elk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it for a fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just just true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started off every one of these podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start off the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started off every one of these podcasts by saying a little bit about the guests that I have on and what impresses me most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But every time I've met with Henry and whether it's been virtually or just in person like this or virtually like this or in person at different events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is honestly one of the nicest
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[SPEAKER_01]: people that I know he's very knowledgeable and just been more than willing to give of his knowledge to me and anyways really appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He treats me like a professional which I which I really appreciate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Henry, you're a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that said, you know, I've always known Mule the Irish and say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always known Mule the Irish and say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always known Mule the Irish or better than elk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This last year though, elk hunting was pretty fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See there's there's one time where I do think elk
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[SPEAKER_00]: are a little better, and that's a dinner time, other than that, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once the hunt's over, I prefer elk, but the hunt itself, now that's going to be, that's going to be meal there for me every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, elaborate on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're 100% correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love, I tell people like, I don't care if it's a spike, or if it's a cow or any branch out or like, I'm shooting it if it's an elk, because I like to eat elk, but I love chasing mule there's elaborate on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, just my hunting style of love kind of the tactical approach of hunting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're, you know, you're literally matching wits with the smartest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm trying to hunt mature bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're trying to match wits with one of the smartest animals on the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I mean, it just doesn't get any better than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to my opinion, because once you've gone through the whole scouting process and that's another thing, I mean, you can scout all summer from your old air and primarily an archery hunter, so I'm out there early season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those bucks are pretty much on the same pattern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they haven't moved off of those patterns and as a result,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more effective in hunting those bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, you scout deer, you scout elk all season, find a big bowl and soon as that rut starts, bam, they're gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See ya.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, really, as soon as the build that comes off, the bachelor urns break up and man, those those bowls are, they're just ghosts at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just go and they're just running a different program and I, man, it's just not, it's just not something I love, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hate, don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy a full scream and run and end all fired up and I've had a few of those experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But truthfully, I just love, and I mean, it sounds cliche to call it a chess match, but I really think that that's kind of what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a lot of patience to hunt a big buck for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you don't have people who didn't get lucky on, you know, and just go out there and find one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sure as hell don't know how, Preston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you just didn't have for me, you think as many years as I've been doing it at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just fall back backwards into a big buck on opening day, but not so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are the most elusive animals to hunt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are so witty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're so fun to hunt just because I think it's a lot of it's for me, a lot of it's that high country that you're in, especially during archery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: season off and up up in those basins and you're living off of really there's not a lot of water up there oftentimes and so you're just living like and I think also it's the stealthy approach like bulls are so fun to listen to bugle and there's again this last year having a couple bulls bugle bugling some bulls in and having them come rushing in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was certainly fun, like, elk hunting is a blast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about that stealthy just trying to, like you said, that chess match of like, can you did this move?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you position, like this last year, this buck positioned itself up on these cliffs so it could watch us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it could just see everything, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, how do I get into position?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up going like way around and then basically down this canyon, and actually kind of got, it was probably one of the more scary times that I've had, I don't know if you've had it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get cliffs out up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got cliff down and it actually, it actually that really kind of terrified me because it's dust can I went up through this little shoot, this like avalanche and I look back down and I'm like, well, this is pretty steep and then there was like a 10 foot little cliff that I kind of scrambled up and
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[SPEAKER_01]: then I get off to the other side and it's another ten foot, you know, drop basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, well, I know there's bucks in this little canyon, and so I'm calling my brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, where are those bucks out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, they're down towards the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like blowing things out and I'm like, oh my gosh, but it was scary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I literally was like, I couldn't go back down that other way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and as soon as you start, as soon as the fear, like that starts entering your mind, your stocks almost shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like you said, you know, you start a blow and bucks out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just aren't as cautious, you know, and that's, and I mean, that's why I mean, do it all on a pile, on a blow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't discriminate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like how we all dare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I literally, I mean, desert floor to the top of the rockies, I'll take a man, I'm down with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's something so magical about a meal deer, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just love tonning them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've loved to learn how to love, love learning how to hunt them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ever since like, I think that was the, I guess that was my first meal deer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First trophy is as a youth rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shot a meal deer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with a rifle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then even that, like it kind of lost its luster and bow hunting mule there is just like that next level challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of the pinnacle, you know, because you're taken, you're taken something that's already kind of hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't, they don't be able to tell you where they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't grunt and tell you where they are because if they grunt, you can't hear 40 yards away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it takes a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a lot of preparation to get yourself in the right
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be consistently successful on the old air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I've just loved about it is just being able to go back and check basins over and over or check certain faces that just tend to hold bucks for one reason or another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, we've killed a number of deer out of the same basins and off those same hillsides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, that vegetation exists everywhere on that range, but for some reason, there's certain spots that they just call them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you'll find you'll kill a big buck in there and gear two later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll go in there again And there's another big buck there, and that's you know, I don't know why they do it, but yeah, just kind of what they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of sad this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'll draw a deer tag here in Utah, which yeah, it's I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's sad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you with your hair so much and it's becoming one of those, it's just more difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I mean in Utah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as of right now, even though they just did increase prices for non-residents, elk hunt could basically elk hunt every year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But mule deer, it's becoming extremely hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine it's just a matter of, again, numbers are down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, well, you look across the West, Preston, that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's case in Colorado and Wyoming, elk are survivors, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just built,
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[SPEAKER_00]: difficult conditions, and milder are a little more fragile, you know, and so that's, and I think, and I mean, this is, this is totally gross on hands, but I still believe that there's, there's, you can't have elk, you can't have all these giant animals thriving on a landscape without there being a downside, and I do think that the deer population is that downside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I truly do, and I mean, I don't have any particular evidence to prove it, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: just in the, you know, the areas that I like to hunt over here in Colorado as I've seen the elk population increase quite a bit over the last 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, they have seen the deer population decrease and I, yeah, I don't know if one is related to the other, but I mean, it would be pretty hard to look at that data and pretend that they weren't somehow related.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, elk, like you said, are just so
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[SPEAKER_01]: across the west here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think even they said something like the survival rate on like the the winter kill on elk was like minimal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're talking like it wasn't any higher than what it typically is, but the deer numbers obviously just got like destroyed honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest, I hunted the Wasatch elk tag that next year and I everybody that I talked to fills that those numbers were not reported correctly that there was a
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[SPEAKER_00]: a greater die-off event than they thought, but yeah, they're just, they're just built to survive that stuff pretty darn well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting, uh, that was actually, so you mentioned, like, soon as those bulls strip their velvet, we scattered that unit for my nephew and to had, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like we were in this honeyhole of bull elk and then all of a sudden like we got in we wrote our mules and we packed in and everything and we got into this honeyhole that we we found like a bachelor group of it was like 20 bulls and they were just like there were some really good bulls in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come honey, come the rut september, they were they were nowhere to be found.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were like where the heck are all these bulls at?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were there all summer long and so they just disappeared to your
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[SPEAKER_01]: to your point there, but yeah, the rush into everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are hardy animals, but yeah, it is sad though to think to me, I'm like, gosh, meal deer, just again, a little bit more delicate, and to me, it's sad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, gosh, this year, I really want to get a deer tag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were in some good country this last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw some really good bucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a couple of them that survived, but just the odds are so low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what's the answer?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You advocate a lot for Colorado and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your role there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you do some?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you on some border?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so for the last three years, I was the chairman of the Colorado Boehner's Association, but I did step down at the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was my time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had my time to serve and then it was time for me to move on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a straight commission job and I'll be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent a lot of time working on Boehning projects that, you know, it was to the detriment of my family's income.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and hey, it's it will have our everybody has our time to serve, but not everybody does serve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did we did some good things and you know, there's there's the beauty of a volunteer organization like that as there's always people coming up behind you that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are, you know, being groomed rather than know it or not to take over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the future that organization is super bright.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's fun to be and I go down this topic of it's fun to see the advocacy of Hunting I believe that we're seeing a lot more of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fun to see we need it also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to say because on one hand, you say advocacy, it brings spotlight, it puts it in the spotlight, so then tags are getting harder to draw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, we really need that advocacy from a lot of these groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really applaud them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have a lot of clients that are advocates and have just that knowledge base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so interesting talking to them about just the habitat of deer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it comes down to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good summer habitat that's really important as well so that they can go into the winner more, you know, batter and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can go into that rut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to first also why the the Mule deer may be a little bit more delicate is because of where the rut is in November and just that that inability to maybe recuperate as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's the timing of it, the timing of the Mule deer rut is like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, but fight knowledge is over here, but the timing of the meal dear rut is very late and being so late, it makes it incredibly difficult for him to pack, you know, they don't have the kind of brows that they normally are looking for to really put weight back on before the harsh winter months and that's why you see something, you know, it's not uncommon to see bucks that just die on the letter age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whereas elk, I mean, they rut in September and October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they've got, you know, the rest of October and November, you know, to, you know, pack that weight back on for December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even they sometimes don't make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's, it's, it's a delicate balance, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we're, let's be honest, we're hunting the, the surplus that mother nature decides can make it through the art windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a performance podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to know how I'm going to say, one of the goats of Meal Dear Hunting is right here, Henry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've killed a lot of big animals, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what is, what is it about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's your preparation, what's your, what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe what are you not doing that you think would be beneficial?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, just looking at me, Preston, you can see that I, I mean, I could rip my shirt off and flex if you want, but I'll save that for the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be like the grants now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: perfect stage of the end, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'll that'll have people tune it out real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just my philosophy is and it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I literally just posted this on Instagram like an hour ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just a little thing, it says accuracy over everything, and that's, so I want to control the things that I can control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want, I mean, let's face it as Western Hunters, quite often, Preston, we're working all year for one shot on chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: unstink and shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're lucky, you might draw an analog tag and an L tag in a deer tag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might, but you probably won't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, especially if you're just, you know, hunting your home state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the opportunities are just limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be able to I decided years ago that I wanted to be able to control that thing which I could control, and that was my own performance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I used to do a lot of tournaments, just local stuff, I did a couple of national 3Ds and stuff that primarily a lot of local stuff and I used to have the target bow, long stabilizers, the whole nine yards and scope and I started as I really got into hunting more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just I just decided, you know what, I want to make my hunting bow because I started really starting to put some more time and effort into my hunting bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed that I could shoot that thing just about as well as I could shoot my target bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with a few tweaks, you know, maybe it's a better stabilizer package, maybe putting a little bit of, you know, and I mean, I'm not saying I was the first guy to do this, but I mean, it was early 2000s when I was
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it just flattened better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I started, I started working on that and making that hunting bow the most accurate bow I owned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then after a year or two of doing that, I just stopped buying target bows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, I still shoot, you know, I shoot a few tournaments here and there and I shoot him with my hunting bone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I shoot the open class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in fact, this year they let me shoot the senior, uh, uh, open class with 10, uh, 51 baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll put me in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As it turns out, I could have done it last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, but I shoot that same bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with with the bow quiver on with my adjustable sight with the same arrows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not shooting fat arrows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm shooting my hunting equipment out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I want to pressure proof that set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to make sure that that set up performs when that, when the pressure's on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I want to make sure equally importantly, I want to make sure that my shop process performs when the pressure's on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I started really working towards, Preston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, in something that I just, I'm super passionate about, I want to make sure that everything that my bow is, as accurate as it can possibly be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, my dog just walked in the room here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's fun to be a guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then as far as the fitness side and you know, that kind of preparation, I mean, I'm hiking my butt off during the summer and just to be brutally honest with myself, I have Select off on the winners over the last few years and the winners have been winning out over the summers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this year my goal was to start that process a bit earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm on the right track.
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[SPEAKER_02]: good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not like crushing it or anything, but you have had a few little physical things that I've been working through, but nothing, nothing that seems too major.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, just spending a lot of time with the backpack on is kind of my primary way of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: do it and then as the as we get a little closer to the season you know like I'll start now just doing hikes around the house state parks and county county parks and just or you just around the neighborhood walking my dog you know just yeah I'm the crazy guy with camo back back on
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[SPEAKER_00]: that people see walking around wearing out of pair of boots before the season starts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, as it gets a little warmer, I start to add a little more weight to the pack, and so I'm, you know, I'm going out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, even on my base, my baseline pack is still pretty frigging heavy, because how much is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my daily hunting pack is in the high 20s to low 30s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, I mean, I'm carrying a, I've got a 100 ounce water bladder in there, which is, you know, fair amount right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got my spotter and I've got an 85 millimeter Nikon spotter that needs to go on a diet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just is what it is and it's the best optic I can afford and it's pretty dang good, but it's not light, you know, and I've got the track, I've got the tripod, I've got my I carry all that stuff around with me, that's what I carry Every day that I'm in the field, you know, I mean, unless I'm on a stock and I'll leave the spotter behind, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's what I'm carrying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you do any backpacks?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to do, I used to do some primarily a precedent we bought a camp trailer in 2021 and I'm telling you, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, that thing honestly has it has gotten me in a little better shape because nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sleep back in that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm going to get back there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I have to hike in a little farther every day, so be it man, but I'm going to get back to that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not if it all possible because it's comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which by new mattress for this offseason too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, it's even better now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just changed ours out last year and it's, that's a good upgrade right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I tell you that's a, well, and I also have Starlink there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, and that's one other thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm self-employed like I said, I'm in sales and that allows me to be, that allows me to be productive during the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's see, in 23, I shot a nice buck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the floor behind me because I'm kind of out of room on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, yeah, if you look at his nice buck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a 183 buck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the best buck I found in all my scouting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I spotted this buck, I mean, he was kind of a crazy buck, because I spotted him several times throughout the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once the season started, I spotted him opening day, did not seem a game for five days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm pretty good at class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that's my strength if I'm being totally honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of one of the goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's to me being able to consistently kill animals has been able to find them, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this book, I just, I look for him for five days and finally, I didn't find him in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went back and I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make breakfast, get some emails done, get some orders entered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did all that back at camp, and then it like, I think it's like 130.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I headed back out and I'm like, I'm just going to go check beds and see if I can turn that buck up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, crazy thing is I found that deer bedded in the exact same bed I saw him in opening day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have days later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he went during the rest of that, but he was ghosting me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I ended up getting him killed, but I was, you know, the reality is I was able to go back that morning and make some money, you know, e-productive and in that kind of downtime where the animals weren't really moving around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, sometimes you got to do what you got to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always, I drew that bison tag, the sportsman's bison tag, amazing tag a few years ago, a nice, a nice bowl, and it's, it would, so I had the tag from August, first, it was good for August, first, anywhere in the state, other than Anna Lopez, but August first until, like January 31st, it was a six month window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a hunter, you're thinking,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my worst nightmare, Preston, because I would lose my freaking job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what happened exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I ended up shooting it like the second or third weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some scouting trips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I mean, I put some time into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, this is back when I was working at the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I gotta get back and work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it sounds like a dream to take six months off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't afford to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like up there stack away from being unemployed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for the period of time, it took me to find and kill that deer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all there is to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, so I'm like, I tell people that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, so how many days did you hunt?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, that was only like 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, like, I thought you would have hunted, you know, the whole entire month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, are six months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I can't afford that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right though, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta spend, make the most of your time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of funny, I like what you said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, the trailers are awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love our camp trailer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is so, it's not even brand new trailer, but it's, it's so nice to just have the stove, the beds, the, and just have the family, they're, I love camping and that's what we do enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: roughing it backpack trips, packing with the mules, hard stuff, wall tents, all those sorts of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love all that, but that camp trailer is really nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'll tell you what, I was really wishing I towed that thing down Arizona in January, because it was freaking cold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, it was cold for you than the next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so hot for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even imagine that being hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cold as before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was testing out all kinds of layers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only that, they say Arizona is dry every time I'm down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's more water there than I know what to do with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in Utah there's water Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's water everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've done those those ranchers and the and the hunting clubs down there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hunting groups have done it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty admirable job of putting water on a very dry landscape because you're absolutely right, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kept like, oh, man, we got there first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the second date.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We found it really good water home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, man, we're going to come back and hunt this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we passed two more on the way back out to the truck when we took a different way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: be not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you get down in those little like drainages and washers and stuff like that and always find like little tiny wells or things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was running into water everywhere and I'm like, man, they're not hurting on water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first year we went down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a they had so much rain that like some of those well, like we couldn't even pass for like four or five days that the amount of time that we were there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't even pass through some of those swells or those roots up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wash is because there were so much water, like crazy amounts of water, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Arizona's dry, but sometimes I'm thinking it's not that dry, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they got to ask me this time, but I'll be back and I think I'll be back in August and then I'll be back down there with Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I've never done that August one, but depending on what happens this year in Utah if I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good alternative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably going to go down there and take advantage of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be able to help you out with some spots on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we saw a really nice buck and that that unit had closed down and so we couldn't it was only like 150 yards away, just like a good easy 175 inch buck and I'm just like all man, it's so bummer than I could go after.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like what I wanted to go back to that your your the point that you made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because I think of in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have like I think of each hunter as Cabela's big game hunter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has their own profile of strengths and weaknesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Henry's he's a five or three weaknesses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's burgers exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Weakness is cheese burgers, weakness is maybe some fitness we're going to change that with our app and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to talk to you about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But weakness or strength, you know, glassing and all that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's funny, because I think about that in we've built the within our app and what I've done over the last year is build like an algorithm that really stratifies people where they're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it'd be really fun to have you go through that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's kind of fun because it puts a number on where people are at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was thinking about what you said is really you work on the variables that you can control the control levels, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your weapon absolutely you're shooting probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're probably shooting every single day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I don't turn amends, but I used to and a lot of that is, you know, I just haven't had the time over the last several years again, you know that CBA stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kept me really busy, but yeah, I'm hoping this year I've got got a bit more time and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got Kyle invested in it now too, so that'll make it a little easier to just fight getting out to the range a little more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but I do see you do go out to the range quite often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you go to the range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're working on those controls, so I think you really have like, you know, what are those, what are those variables?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: injury prevention, your, you know, building strength, building stamina, so cardio, strength, you mentioned putting on a pack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's kind of like that sport specific side of things of putting on a pack, adding more weight, then you have the variables of shooting, making good executed shots and shot execution and sorts of things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's so many different variables that we can work on to build the strength for, you know, the animal that you hunt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like you said, here in the West, we,
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[SPEAKER_01]: often times have one opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might only get one stock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you, yeah, and, you know, just because you have a tag doesn't mean it's going to guarantee you an opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean some places are better than others and your preparation may lead you to to no opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but preparation might also lead you to multiple opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should you not, you know, seal the deal on your first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed agree to that 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I always say those guys in Texas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just good killers because you get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get reps in the red zone and they just get reps on shooting animals on us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we may only have one opportunity to, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just a matter of time with every tag that I have of like put in the work, put in the time, make my physical health a priority so that I'm eliminating days off from recovery or injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a matter of time before I draw back on an animal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, whatever happens after that, hopefully I shoot every day so that when I execute that shot, I can make sure that it's it's a done deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, it's just eliminating variables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I heard someone else say that actually that same same phrase of eliminating variables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a mutual friend, um, but was talking about broadhead choices, even of, like, just eliminating variables, eliminating, you know, making sure that you have this big enough cutting diameter and things like that, so that you just eliminate those variables of, you know, missing an artery of some sort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I had a buddy who years ago and he was he's passed away now, but Jim used to own an archery shop up in Fort Collins, Colorado and was a had a terrific shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was sitting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told me a story one time when we're at an archery tournament was just hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said he was sitting in his in his tree stand and a cow elk walked in late in the evening, drew back anchored up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and just lacer just you know 20 yard broadside and he goes there's something about the shot that you know it didn't sound because I've had enough animals I know that when it's both sound like in this just didn't have that real hole of a thud and so he he goes I don't know what happened the sets his bow back up on the hook and he looks at it and he goes oh no he took his growl sarro which had a fill point on it out of the quiver and put it on the bow
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing passed right through right through lungs dead elk and 200 yards following primarily tracks obviously not a lot of blood on the ground, but yeah did the job, you know, so I mean there's it's just kind of a crazy deal where sometimes all the preparation and then he still just make a dumb decision at the end, you know, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, again, that's that accuracy over everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it, hey, that's a, just goes to show it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take perfection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take a big cutting broad head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes an accurate shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's the most important thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I use a one and three-eighths inch mechanical from Grim Reaper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That puts a, puts a good hole in things, but it's not one of those things where you look at it and you're like, man, you get hit with a hatchet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it puts a good hole,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It puts three holes instead of two holes and I'm a big fan of that because I feel that that greatly increases your odds of cutting something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, vital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was talking to someone last year at Tech and another really, yeah, proficient hunter and it was interesting because he's like it's it's all about it's all about hemorrhage and it's all about like losing blood as quick as you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So three blades great four blades, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's all about losing blood as quick as you can because then as that animal basically runs then their blood pressure drops and that's really kind of what slows the animal down is they kind of get a little disoriented or dizzy which made so much sense from like a physiological standpoint of like you want as much hemorrhaging as much blood loss as quick as you can because then that really kind of slows things down for that animal they'll stop get a little wobbly
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you're, you're the expert in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know enough about, you know, about the body and the way things work, but what you said makes perfect sense because I've watched, I went on like a five year run where I watched everything die.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I, I'd take the shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd watch him run off, hundred yards, get the, you know, kind of get like you said, disoriented, get the jelly legs and then flip over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's rare that you see an animal, in fact, I think, give me a second here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I can think of one animal that I shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: literally just went down in a cloud at dust, but animal over weird anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're, they kind of do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But typically, yeah, they'll run out there, 100 yards, a couple of 100 yards, get the jelly legs, and you can always see it at the kill site, you know, when you find the animal, if you stop and look before you, you know, get excited and get down there and grab the antlers, you can see those things are seldom
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, laying pointed in the direction that they were traveling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that shows you that, you know, just like you're saying, you know, they get up there and they get the jelly legs and maybe spend a couple times and then just drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that was really interesting when you when you mentioned that and stuff and I was like, oh, that makes complete sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm doing a bow build on YouTube and everything like that and more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and your name comes up because there's there's one reason I was going with a black bow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the color.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never done a black bow
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[SPEAKER_01]: always camouflage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done gray and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, I think I'm going to go black this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I say on Instagram, I'm going to do a black bow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we did chat about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Henry says, don't do black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, OK, I'm not doing a black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I did tombstone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the white tombstone color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super neutral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of works everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I don't like black bows is the same reason I don't like solid colored hats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm hunting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple things that are super visible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you lift that bow up and draw back, that thing is literally like a stinkin billboard out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, you know, and if it's if it's shiny or if it's a solid, bold color like black, then man, that can alert something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't only need a few seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you need those
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to put again, you know, that's controlling the controlables, man, that's just trying to, I'm also the guy who tends to paint his cams, you know, a matte finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't screw around, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want, and I'll tell you what, Grim Reaper came out with my dream brought head this year, which is the exact same head I've been shooting, but in black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not shamed and like a diamond out there when I'm getting ready to draw back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, very nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's just, it's little, it's little details like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched a lot of my friends go on stocks and other people go on stocks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can see what I always want to learn something, what I'm watching them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I like to watch is, hey, what camos are more effective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a certain material that's more effective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe some of them are kind of shiny fabrics and they get just a little glossy in the sun others, you know, just a little bit too dark, but man you look at you look at bows and I mean camps I see more and it's just it's just that surface is so flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, when you've got your bow sideways, it's just catching a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just catching a little bit of reflection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I may not be enough to matter, but I saw Randy Omar do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, hey, that guy kills bigger deer than me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what the heck, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I got a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot to little up to then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I better repeat my bow and cams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think you're right though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so anyways, I went with the tombstone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that ball honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was struggling though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did you go the Rx9 or did you go the, what was the Rx9 ultra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a freaking great bow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the bow and it was interesting though, because this year I picked it up, like I said, a few weeks ago, started kind of, you know, swapping accessories for my old boat to this new one using the same site using some of the same stabilizers and things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: got a new rest, same rest, but just got an up, just got the new version of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, I'm putting it together and it felt just so much different than my RX8.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love the fill of the carbon bow, but there was a little bit of me as like, man, I kind of was wishing for something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like having a hard time with that, with that, with really switching from in the 8 to the 9.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 8 was just shooting so good shot the heck out of that bow, man,
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[SPEAKER_00]: until I ran it over, but that's a different story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't, zero stars would not recommend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't run your boat or kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember that, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Truly dumb story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In which I just look like an idiot and, well, pretty accurate 100% lime is paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things like that happen, but yeah, I've loved that eight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was so nice, but so anyways, now I've been shooting the nine, kind of changing up some arrows and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk to you about that a little bit too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But changing up some arrows, the way and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then today, I was out there just shooting a few arrows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all I did with my peep, like I have it tied in softly, just so I can move it up and down and just get that peep perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I move it down maybe in eighth of an inch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm just anchoring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm just shooting tax like these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything just is right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what distance do you set your peep at?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to set it to probably set it lower at like 50ish right now it's at 20 right now it's at 20 but I know it's off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend going going like an eighth inch lower and it might end up being even more than that and center in that thing at 50 or 60 to 60.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I mean, hey, we're Western bow hunters, you know, nobody wants to say we take shots over 50 yards, but we take shots over 50 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: reality is I want my this is this is one of my favorite things I get on the tack page the tack shooters page on Facebook
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I find a tremendous amount of entertainment there because I always love the people who are asking questions about arrow builds for tech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they say, well, I always build a special arrow for tech that's super lightweight, you know, and I can go out there and I can really reach out and touch something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I take last year's old arrows for the long shots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, first of all, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, just just no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason, no, is because when you're shooting a long shot, you want everything going in your favor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, everything you want, the most precise, best shooting equipment you can possibly have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because shooting long shots are, it's hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's no nice way of saying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't sugarcoat it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at fault for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly what you're saying because I I used to be like, well, this veins a little bit ripped or torn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to shoot that one and back of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That thing goes to jack of whoever this arrows exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is, I do a lot of vein testing, even though I end up shooting the same thing year after year, I actually I did switch like two or three years ago to the Q2 eyes after years and years of shooting vein text.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I switched the Q2 eyes, just the vein text were getting real hard to find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I switched to those, but as I switched veins, I'll always have four five,
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[SPEAKER_00]: different combinations fletched up and you shoot those things out to 100 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's very little difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean very disappointingly little difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but when when it starts to matter, you know, times like when the wind blows while when the wind blows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: bigger vein or higher profile vein.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what anybody says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will drift more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I shoot a short four-flatch with a stiff vein that gives me every advantage I can get without too much steering on the back end so that it turns into a win sale or a no-one umbrella back there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the profile of those Q2Is, like, height-wise, do you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm shooting the Griff X, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I should know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm shooting for the, so it's a, it's a short, it's a short, flat, and length.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just has a parabolic shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just a traditional vein shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're quiet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They fly well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most batches that I've gotten have stuck very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do go through some everyone's well that could stick better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's just been a, it's a, it's a good setup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, what I'm saying, those, I want, I want to set that P pint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I would down that rabbit holes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to set that P pint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: on the high side of medium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's, I mean, for me, that's 50 to 60 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that if I'm locked in solid at 50 to 60 yards, I can get out to 90 to 100 and only feel a tiny bit loose on that anchor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once I get up on closer, and keep in mind, I'm shooting a single pin site.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am moving, you know, the whole housing's moving with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not centering a housing and then shooting it, you know, multiple pins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I get up to 20 yards, yeah, I'll fill a little tight in my anchor, but not too bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it's 20 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get away with a little more exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get away with a lot more at 20 versus you can at 80 or 90.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I usually do last year, I think maybe that's why that eight felt so different to the nine is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I centered it about that 60 yard range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll probably do that as of now, just like moving that down just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just made me realize, like just even a little like micro, you know, my new changes can have all the difference on your accuracy and your performance, everything else like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So actually, like I had multiple groups that arrows were touching like, and I'm like, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've found some stories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Heck yes, I'm like, it's been a long time now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, before I was a little bit iffy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now as of today, I'm really in love with that boat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if it holds true tilt tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you checking and keep in mind that is a little bit shorter bow than the eight was the eight was 34 and that's 33.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little difference in that string angle coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not much, but there's a little difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why when you're when you're doing site tapes and stuff like precision cut archery or archers advantage, they're all asking for that pee pipe at full drop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that pee pipe should be pretty darn close, regardless of the bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'll find that that's one of those things and unless you have like a 40-inch target bone of 30-inch heading bow, that's where you're gonna start to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: some wild differences in that pee pipe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, I'm pretty sure it's the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like to typically like when I dry, I like to really kind of set up tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I really like to try to keep that pee pipe as high as I can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus it gives me just extra range and things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of, I kind of, I kind of lay it into my shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I end up with lower peep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I mean, don't, don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a couple of work around for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still aiming at everything attack, don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I wanted to talk about that, because I think you, I mean, you brought it up of like, yeah, when you shoot these long bombs, people are shooting the broken arrows, all sorts of ripped veins, all those sorts of things, short arrows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I laughed so much at even that, like you mentioned earlier, that you take your hunting bow to these tournaments, you don't shoot these fat arrows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always kind of, we have a lot of professional archers on here and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, those have a place and they don't get blocked on like absolutely do have a place where I mean, if you show up at Vegas shooting folks, you're not doing yourself many favors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're just not exactly like, man, once you start putting on the scope getting this long axle axle target boat, you put on the stabilizers, these fat arrows, how hard can it be honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're being completely honest, it's still pretty hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's guys who make it look really easy, but it is, it is not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, yeah, I mean, but don't come here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely does, it does make it a little easier for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point of bringing that up is when I've shot some target buzz on my dang, these feels so good when you're shooting like an actual target set up, you're like, oh yeah, dang, no wonder they
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[SPEAKER_00]: something that's really, it's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because you want to, you want to have some fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you should do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know all the big shot target guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should pick up every one of their bows and just hold it out there at arms length like you're a full draw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll start to see how every archer has their own balance point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of them are going to want that thing really way forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them want it really neutral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Others wanted a little back heavy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just funny because everybody in it, it all has to do with how everybody grips a bow and what their aiming style is, how active they're pulling, which way they're pulling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's, but I want a bow that's pretty darn neutral in my hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want something that has a lot of bias one way or the other, can't turn anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so I keep minimal weight on my bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's a hunting bow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want something that's balanced, that's going to help me aim as well as I can, but not adding any unnecessary weight to that bow, to the machine, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do that last year I shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I deer hunted an elk hunted with that short hoit stabilizer on that low end and I actually really liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then was we using a backbar and I used a backbar I believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I got into some little bad habits and what that means is target panic basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and so then I wish I didn't know what you were talking about, Preston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very familiar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally think everyone has it to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's actually different types of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know there's different types, but I think there's the manifests itself in a lot of different ways for different archers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually doing a, this is actually a fun YouTube video that I'm doing on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I filmed it yesterday and
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the physiology of what's going inside your brain from Target.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I don't watch that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got monkeys juggling nights up there after time, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually pretty fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But so with that said, I think there's multiple ways of actually addressing it more than just the psychological side of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and one of them being kind of just the equipment that we have like a really dialing in your equipment and building that confidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, anyways, I bring that up because all that's that story up because it's so important to get comfortable with the bow that you have and just like shoot it every single day if you can just take it those repetitions so that again you can control those variables.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so using, you go to, you know, go to some of these 3D events or you go to tech is where I wanted to talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a proponent of going to tech and, you know, building a light arrow for tech, just so I can shoot the distances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, you're shooting your hunting bow and your hunting setup at tech so that you know the cuts, you know the angle of that arrow, the trajectory, everything else like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to be shooting that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had, I've actually had some shots in the woods that I looked at and I'm like, man, that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and there's a shot that I made on a buck in 21.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an archery range about five miles from my house that's in Oakbrush and it's got some good hills that you can shoot up and down and they've got this one shot that's a little bit downhill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's fairly downhill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like a, you know, a tax shot or anything, but it's a, it's a downhill shot and you can shoot that thing anywhere from 40 to about 85 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I shoot that thing 75 to 85 yards all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I built a lot of repetition, a lot of confidence through that repetition and it was so funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got up there and I picked over this hill in the buck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking forward was right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: as I pulled up my rangefinder, I'm like, oh my gosh, something about this is so familiar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I ranged it 72 yards down hill and I'm like, oh man, this is, I know I can make this shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I get full draw,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that and that pin settled in nice and nice and tight, you know, in the ribs and when that shot broke, I caught that error when it's art and it's peak and I'm like done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew it because I had seen that so many times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so those shots and we've had we've had other shots and attack that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a buck that I had to clear something to get into the buck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had that attack, you know, many times it's usually a fricking rock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a feast or famine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a rock here in a target, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a past fail test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't need to ask what your grade was because it either goes sparking everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or people, or people cheer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, people tend to cheer either way on that, because most people just like to watch the world burn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I've had some shots in the woods where, you know, they are setting up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these difficult shots are pretty realistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, I've had a couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a shot off a cliff that would have made the guys attack jealous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, and I mean, that buck's actually right here next to me on my desk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those are some realistic events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those guys are to such a phenomenal job and I also think that the success we're seeing with hunters as well is increasing just because I think of events like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're practicing more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're training more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting our bodies prepared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like this year and I think I just looked at the numbers like on the WhatsApp front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the unit that had the most animals killed like deer from it and stuff, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, it's a long season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It better be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, I think you're also seeing like you're seeing a way more people on that extended hunt than you used to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a lot of people really putting the effort and time in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've had, dude, I've had some of my favorite days of hunting on the extended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people love to hate on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you can get out of that exactly what you put into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've shown up as a guy from out of state with no prior scouting knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've got lots of good bucks there, you know, I mean, it's don't give you wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do prefer to hunt it Monday through Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the most easy hunt to this very competitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've had a couple, I've had a couple stocks and I was about halfway through it and I saw somebody else there and I'm like, alright.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every every every every stock even the buck that I shot you mentioned how you watch that Arrow just like arc and as soon as you let go the buck that I shot this year Told my dad and brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I could you guys go around go up on top and they're like well There's a hunter right on top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He dropped off this other he was he was of course You know, he was going after a different buck and so they're like I don't think he knows that he's only you know 40 yards away from the buck you and I texted about this a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so he goes over this other
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my brother and dad go around and then I'm like, this isn't never going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just keep walking towards this block at this time they were bedded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, they came out to look and see, I think, at the crunchy snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think deer are really curious that way, that like especially in the rut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they like to hear like those deer are always just moving right and they kind of like to hear that crunchy snow because they're like, you know, is that a dough over there or hot dough?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, anyways, this deer posted up at like 56 yards, anchor, felt the click, and I'm like, this deer is totally toast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that arrow?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, I'm like, you know, you know, you do enough preparation like you're saying, you know, it's the shots that you put in this time of year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're building that process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that when you execute the process properly, that arrow shouldn't have any choice but to be in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a critical back to your point of like you control your controllables for you accuracy for me, like just today shooting and having multiple executed shots that were just like, okay, that was perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm stacking arrows like
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[SPEAKER_01]: of success really, success for hunters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It absolutely is, and I'll tell you what, I think it's important that when you have especially right now when you're developing that relationship with a new bow, when you really execute that shot perfectly, and it just hits right behind the pin,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that's something you need to stop and celebrate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you need to stop and then think about, okay, what about that was so perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it becomes a matter of just, it's just repeating that process really, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that's what this time of year is for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's why I shoot a winner 3D league at Nolan, it's archery here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we shoot out 40 yards and we can,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you can work on that process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I posted that on my stories today that I'm like, I don't honestly care if you punch the trigger, pull the trigger, squeeze it, however you want to get that thing to go off, but you better recall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how where that hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, like you need to know, was that a good shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for example, the example I used was I actually kind of botched it, but it hit right dead center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the next shot, I hit a little bit further left, but it was executed like saw that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just had this discussion with one of the professional archers to say their day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So depending on where this podcast lies, but he's like, I don't, you know, I'm shooting hundreds of arrows a day and he's like, and it's all about knowing exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about that on every shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that a good shot or was it not a good shot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it feel good?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care where it hits at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make a good shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do enough repetitions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to hit the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly get a little bit annoyed when I make a shot that's not great and it hits right in the middle and I come on, I didn't deserve that, I didn't put in, that wasn't my best effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been my best result, but it's not my best effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, part of that also is just having a set up that's pretty forgiving, you know, that's tuned properly and that's, you know, arrows are flying well enough that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can't make an 80% shot and still be in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say that this year shooting the shot through paper on the fourth arrow was setting up my bow and I kind of set it up a little differently like I kind of I elaborate this on the YouTube video, but I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of start putting things on and then like finally it all comes together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, fourth arrow through paper and it was a bullet hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine I didn't change anything from the first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, first arrow out of that bow was a bullet hole, which I was pretty impressed with honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But with that said, I wanted to go over one more topic, arrow speed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you all about again Western hunting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we got to get that little speed for trajectory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, there's times where
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[SPEAKER_00]: that animal takes a step or two, and there's not always time to make adjustments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be able to, and really, this conversation has been had thousands of times, but I've shot enough 3Ds that 280 was our speed limit for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've always set both up around 280.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's our X9 Ultra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not in the 280's buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of cooking, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's high to season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I'm getting, I'm getting good for giving this out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to mess with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't see any need to add more weight to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see where I get any benefit out of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So truthfully, I'm going to stick with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want something that I want something that is going to hit behind my pen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At whatever distance I've set the pain at the range, you know, I just want to build that that confidence and I do that by shooting a properly spined arrow, I do shoot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty short man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I keep those arrows pretty darn close to the rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, where does your arrow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, don't remember off top of my head because I, and the reason is because this one has the color that, you know, it's covered about a half inch the front like half to three quarters of an inch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep my short and I keep I could even cut it down like a maybe a half inch more, but it'd be like right on that collar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to do a half middle of that rest or middle of the riser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, the theory is, you know, there's, there's less to be drifted by the wind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, I live out west and the wind is not something that we occasionally deal with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a reality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's every.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, more often than not, there's going to be at least a breeze blowing out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to know that my arrow is not going to drift anymore than it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely has to, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm impressed with this arrow that I have set up now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you're shooting the five point notes, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm shooting the five of those and I haven't, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't, right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't changed arrows for three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've shot that long range axis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The four mil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The four mils and I've loved it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It shoots hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It hits like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: super high kinetic energy momentum, all those things good FOC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I put up when I got the 50 I was excited because I went to a little lighter spine and I could do that I guess because of the way that it's developed or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, it's shoots really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but as little disappointed when I got it all together, like with shooting 77 pounds,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It came in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I'm shooting 75 the 75 pound limbs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a little bit hot when it was always doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was putting it all together, it was a little bit disappointed because like it said like way too weak of spine and so then I had to go low a way up front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then I was playing around with like lighted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't want to load way up front if you're too weak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to take weight out if you're waiting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then anyways, that's what that's what I had to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I take weight up, I took weight up, weight off up front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I got this arrow, like set up where I wasn't like, 100, I was like, kind of disappointed on my thing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with that said, as the Bose settled into about 75 pounds on the spine chart, like it sits really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now so I'm back up to a little heavier up front and it doesn't break down that spine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very, it doesn't break down that spine anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you shooting that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you shooting the 250s?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you shooting the 300s on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm shooting 340s actually with my shorts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that was a recommendation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that was a recommendation from Evan himself from the from Hoyt there, and he said Hey, I know you know what, but hey, he should know he's he's exactly have a long Australian either So exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to see how talk what's your drawing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm only 28 and three quarters so it's not I'm not like a knuckle drag or by any stretch mind short to 28 28 and but it's shooting really good and he's like it shoots he's like this bow actually prefers that it's over that like five greens per pound that they recommend sort of thing but anyways it's shooting really good I like it I'm now getting a lot more confidence behind this bow and everything
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now this arrow, what I'm excited about is, let's see, it's two, no, excuse me, 42 grains.
01:00:45.411 --> 01:00:55.269
[SPEAKER_01]: My last arrow was 266 grains, that shooting 282, now this new one is 42, shooting 296.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the trajectory wise at 100 yards,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It saves, I think it's like 13 or 14 inches, so it'll be significant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went, I mean, my RX-8 before it got run over was, was shooting 284, 286, I'm like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I'm like 299, 298, 299 with the RX-9, with the same arrow, and then now I've switched to the 5.0s, I'm shooting those right now, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: They come out, I mean, way, why is there within two or three grains of, you know, so you're right, right around the same four mills that I've been shooting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I love the set up and I, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always been kind of like a, not like a FOC maniac, but I do like a little more FOC, and I do like a little bit more momentum, so I'll just like that little bit heavier up front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this year, I'm really kind of trying to get to that speed, and I think that 422 grains is gonna be a pretty dang good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's money, honestly, that is literally almost the exact recipe that I've been shooting
01:02:13.135 --> 01:02:14.176
[SPEAKER_00]: a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that 42425 grain arrow.
01:02:18.001 --> 01:02:23.167
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the heaviest arrow I've ever killed animal with was 430 grains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
01:02:23.828 --> 01:02:27.673
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I went heavy with my bison and then I kind of just have trickled back.
01:02:27.693 --> 01:02:28.393
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have to with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, well, Henry, thanks for joining me for the podcast.
01:02:35.442 --> 01:02:40.408
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate you talking about your
01:02:40.388 --> 01:02:42.853
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe everyone, I always kind of end with this as well.
01:02:42.873 --> 01:02:45.979
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has the potential of being a true athlete.
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:49.226
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're an athlete, Henry, no matter how you classify yourself.
01:02:49.526 --> 01:02:50.969
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even get into that discussion.
01:02:52.672 --> 01:02:57.522
[SPEAKER_00]: But you like how I aren't fully dodged that those questions are pressed and pretty much.
01:02:57.542 --> 01:02:59.306
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about a hunt being a little faster.
01:02:59.326 --> 01:03:01.570
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a quicker on my feet than you thought.
01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:27.338
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we were going to talk about all sorts of health, but we'll get that and like I said, I want to see you, I'm happy to see you really taking that initiative because I do think it is important and honestly, like you can buy all these new bows, arrows, guns, I see it every single day, people are like, I'd rather buy a new gun, sort of thing, my gosh, if you don't have your health, you've got nothing and injuries are time away from the field, all sorts of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: play into that.
01:03:27.959 --> 01:03:31.244
[SPEAKER_01]: But doing this, this podcast is certainly for that as well.
01:03:31.304 --> 01:03:34.429
[SPEAKER_01]: And we want to help you with whatever we can, Henry, but we're always here for you.
01:03:34.449 --> 01:03:36.432
[SPEAKER_01]: But I appreciate, I appreciate you.
01:03:36.452 --> 01:03:37.554
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have talked about that actually.
01:03:37.594 --> 01:03:39.898
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a time that you didn't help me out.
01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:41.781
[SPEAKER_01]: Did employ your, employ my services.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me 30 seconds to talk about that.
01:03:44.565 --> 01:03:45.867
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had,
01:03:46.758 --> 01:03:54.467
[SPEAKER_00]: some pretty major tendonitis right here in my, in my bow arm, right there in my elbow and what did, what did we say of Preston?
01:03:55.008 --> 01:04:03.878
[SPEAKER_00]: It's our church elbow, because tennis elbow is for, I can't remember the word that we put in there, but all I know is neither of us we're going to wear that shirt to tack.
01:04:06.422 --> 01:04:11.027
[SPEAKER_00]: We still have wives and moms of alive, you know, we can't, we can't be doing this stuff, so.
01:04:11.783 --> 01:04:34.267
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, truthfully, you helped me out tremendously because I've been walking around wearing an elbow brace just to sleeve on there for two or three years and it just got progressively worse and I got to a point where, I mean, I could go shoot but if I wouldn't shot League, I'd shoot three or four shots before we started and then pray that I had enough arrows and make it through League.
01:04:35.008 --> 01:04:38.652
[SPEAKER_00]: And you helped me out with that, I can't thank you enough
01:04:38.632 --> 01:04:43.389
[SPEAKER_00]: I have I still keep that sleeve that that elbow brace in my quiver.
01:04:44.071 --> 01:04:46.198
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gone on my arm in two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made it.
01:04:50.152 --> 01:04:50.734
[SPEAKER_00]: If you need the help.
01:04:51.237 --> 01:04:53.182
[SPEAKER_00]: That man right there, you can help you.
01:04:53.382 --> 01:04:54.325
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we are here to help.
01:04:54.926 --> 01:04:55.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, we got our app.
01:04:56.029 --> 01:04:58.977
[SPEAKER_01]: We got our RX prescription programming.
01:04:58.997 --> 01:05:00.180
[SPEAKER_01]: We got all sorts of things like that.
01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:02.004
[SPEAKER_01]: But Henry, this is an awesome discussion.
01:05:02.044 --> 01:05:03.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
01:05:03.969 --> 01:05:05.293
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks for having me with everything.
01:05:05.333 --> 01:05:06.937
[SPEAKER_01]: Excited, always fun to catch up.
01:05:07.037 --> 01:05:08.020
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we will this year's.
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:09.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like this year.
01:05:09.784 --> 01:05:12.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's said, that's all we got for this podcast.
01:05:12.651 --> 01:05:16.080
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll hit stop right now.