Kyle
00:00:03Movie Wars.
Kyle
00:00:12Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast.
Kyle
00:00:16Mariana Brown is back, ladies and gentlemen.
Seth
00:00:19I'm here, too.
Kyle
00:00:19She crushed it so hard.
Kyle
00:00:21And Seth's here, too.
Kyle
00:00:22But you're on so many of them.
Kyle
00:00:24They know you.
Kyle
00:00:24We have a new friend here.
Kyle
00:00:25Come on, let's.
Seth
00:00:26You know, she was in the last one.
Seth
00:00:28Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:00:28I know.
Kyle
00:00:28Well, they don't know that.
Kyle
00:00:29We film him back to back.
Kyle
00:00:30It's a different day.
Seth
00:00:32Hey, I love same clothes.
Kyle
00:00:34No.
Kyle
00:00:35So glad.
Kyle
00:00:35Seth.
Kyle
00:00:36So glad you're here.
Kyle
00:00:37He's mad that I missed his birthday party.
Seth
00:00:38A little bit.
Seth
00:00:39Just a little salty.
Mariana
00:00:39I'm gonna make invite me.
Mariana
00:00:41So.
Seth
00:00:41I'm sorry.
Seth
00:00:42I didn't know.
Seth
00:00:43I didn't know you'd come.
Mariana
00:00:44I wouldn't.
Mariana
00:00:45I wouldn't have, actually.
Mariana
00:00:46So I just like being invited.
Kyle
00:00:48This is.
Kyle
00:00:49So we're doing Falling down here, and I've wanted to cover this movie for a long time.
Kyle
00:00:53And it's kind of funny when, like, with the age of the Internet, sometimes you see some of your favorite movies from childhood resurface in memes and stuff.
Kyle
00:01:00And all of a sudden, I started seeing these Michael Douglas falling down memes, and it reminded me how much I loved it.
Kyle
00:01:05This is one of those movies that.
Kyle
00:01:06And I'm sure we all have these.
Kyle
00:01:07I.
Kyle
00:01:07My parents, you know, crazy bipolar alcoholics, which sucked.
Kyle
00:01:12But I got to watch whatever I wanted, so if you want to be positive.
Kyle
00:01:16And I watched this movie a lot as a kid.
Kyle
00:01:18But what's funny is, like, I obviously could not really comprehend.
Kyle
00:01:22Now I got 37 years of life behind me, lots of corporate disgruntlement in my life.
Kyle
00:01:27And I watched this.
Kyle
00:01:27This time, I'm like, oh, I get it, buddy.
Kyle
00:01:30Life sucks, bro.
Seth
00:01:32Yeah.
Kyle
00:01:33Yeah.
Mariana
00:01:33This guy's my hero.
Kyle
00:01:35Yes.
Kyle
00:01:35Yes.
Kyle
00:01:36And, you know, and there's a lot of background setting to this movie.
Kyle
00:01:40You know, this is a post Cold War.
Kyle
00:01:42It's based on.
Kyle
00:01:43And we'll get to this with the randos, but there was this.
Kyle
00:01:45This layoff of defense workers after the Cold War.
Kyle
00:01:48Like, we had no need for the development of weapons that we were.
Kyle
00:01:51So there was a lot of people that were getting displaced from work.
Kyle
00:01:54And there was, like, there was defense worker strikes in Los Angeles.
Kyle
00:01:57And so this is based on a very real thing that happened.
Kyle
00:02:00And that's where the writer of the screenplay actually got his.
Kyle
00:02:03The inspiration for this.
Kyle
00:02:04So it's very much based in reality.
Kyle
00:02:06And Michael Douglas, to me, is so interesting in this because, you know, he was a sex icon.
Kyle
00:02:10Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:10You know, the long hair and he even talks about how he was very reluctant to cut his hair when his.
Seth
00:02:14Dad was a sex icon.
Kyle
00:02:15Yes.
Seth
00:02:16Like, literally in the 50s, his dad was like, the guy.
Kyle
00:02:19Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:20And when you tell people that that Douglas first was a producer and that his biggest claim to fame was almost cleaning.
Kyle
00:02:25Or didn't he get to all five of the main Oscars for One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest as a producer?
Seth
00:02:30Maybe.
Kyle
00:02:30I think they did.
Kyle
00:02:31They're one of the few films they got nominated for.
Kyle
00:02:33All five?
Kyle
00:02:33I can't remember if it got all five, but, you know, he produced that.
Kyle
00:02:36And so he's the one accepting the Oscar.
Seth
00:02:38Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:38For One Flew over the.
Kyle
00:02:39Like, Michael Douglas has this insane career.
Kyle
00:02:41Totally a daddy's boy, though.
Kyle
00:02:43I'm just kidding.
Kyle
00:02:44I don't know.
Kyle
00:02:45But yeah, I was really stoked to do this and, you know, it was kind of weird watching it in 2024.
Kyle
00:02:51Like, this dude.
Kyle
00:02:52This dude's pissed off before the Internet.
Seth
00:02:54Yeah.
Mariana
00:02:56Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:02:57This is what happens when you can't tweet your shit.
Seth
00:02:59Yeah.
Seth
00:03:00And you actually go, Twitter is important.
Kyle
00:03:01Yeah, we need Twitter for the psychos out there.
Mariana
00:03:04Yeah.
Mariana
00:03:04This is a guy who can't vent.
Seth
00:03:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:03:06Yeah.
Kyle
00:03:06How did you two experience this film?
Seth
00:03:09I'd never seen it before this.
Kyle
00:03:11Okay.
Seth
00:03:11Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Seth
00:03:12I literally, the whole time I'm watching it, and my favorite thing is how every time something happens, he literally levels up his weapon and it literally reminded me of, like, what?
Seth
00:03:23This would be the coolest video game ever.
Seth
00:03:25No context.
Seth
00:03:26You just come in as this dude in his car going to work, and then every time you beat the shit out of someone, you take their weapon and you upgrade the whole movie.
Kyle
00:03:34Yes.
Mariana
00:03:34Sims.
Seth
00:03:35Yeah, yeah, the Sims.
Seth
00:03:37But violence.
Mariana
00:03:38Yes.
Seth
00:03:39So I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Kyle
00:03:41Love it.
Seth
00:03:41Yeah.
Mariana
00:03:42I actually.
Mariana
00:03:42It's funny, my husband, who's not like a movie person, he had watched it before and he was like, oh, yeah, I want to watch that with you.
Mariana
00:03:49And I was like, all right.
Mariana
00:03:50This is like the second movie we've watched together in 30 years.
Mariana
00:03:53And I loved it.
Mariana
00:03:55This, I've never related to a character so much seriously, as this guy.
Mariana
00:04:00Especially when he just leaves this car at the beginning.
Mariana
00:04:02I'm like, that was every day I ever came home from my day job.
Mariana
00:04:07I was like, yeah, let's just burn it down.
Seth
00:04:09Yeah, yeah, he is.
Mariana
00:04:11He's my spirit animal.
Kyle
00:04:13He's sweaty and he's pissed.
Kyle
00:04:14Yeah, yeah.
Mariana
00:04:15And he's wearing.
Mariana
00:04:16And he's wearing a pocket protector and a short sleeve button down.
Mariana
00:04:20That shouldn't Exist.
Seth
00:04:21I felt like disgustingly hot while watching the movie.
Seth
00:04:26That's how well it made you feel.
Seth
00:04:28The summer heat of la.
Seth
00:04:29Like, oh, my God.
Kyle
00:04:31And it's kind of funny.
Kyle
00:04:32We're doing two bat.
Kyle
00:04:32We did drive before.
Kyle
00:04:34We were doing two back to back LA films.
Kyle
00:04:36Two very different interpretations of la.
Seth
00:04:39Yes.
Kyle
00:04:39One makes you want to move there.
Kyle
00:04:41One makes you never want to go there.
Mariana
00:04:43Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:04:44For real.
Kyle
00:04:45Yeah.
Seth
00:04:45Oh, my God.
Seth
00:04:46But yeah, it was.
Seth
00:04:47I was not.
Seth
00:04:48I had no idea what to expect.
Seth
00:04:49I didn't look at anything before I watched it.
Seth
00:04:51And.
Seth
00:04:51And it delivered.
Seth
00:04:52It delivered very well.
Seth
00:04:53Very shocking for Joel Schumacher.
Kyle
00:04:55Yes.
Kyle
00:04:56And I was fixing.
Kyle
00:04:56That's a great segue.
Kyle
00:04:57I was gonna go.
Kyle
00:04:58I'm just looking at his.
Kyle
00:04:59I mean, he's has so many films.
Kyle
00:05:00This is a guy that's all over the place.
Seth
00:05:02I mean, he did rip Joel Schumacher.
Seth
00:05:04By the way, we love you and we miss you.
Kyle
00:05:06I know.
Kyle
00:05:06Yeah.
Kyle
00:05:07I mean, obviously you can make fun of.
Kyle
00:05:08I liked Batman Forever, but then Batman and Robin was awful.
Kyle
00:05:11Complete dumpster fire.
Kyle
00:05:12But He Also, number 23 is kind of this artsy like coming out party for Jim Carrey as an actor.
Mariana
00:05:18That's another one that I got for a dollar at Walmart on a dvd.
Kyle
00:05:20Yes.
Kyle
00:05:21I miss.
Kyle
00:05:22Yeah, you miss the dollar bin.
Mariana
00:05:24Oh, God, great films.
Kyle
00:05:26Now it's the Amazon bin.
Kyle
00:05:27And they're like $10.
Seth
00:05:28I will say it always shocks me to remember that he directed Phantom of the Opera.
Seth
00:05:33Like, because that is so outside of everything he's ever done.
Kyle
00:05:37Yeah.
Seth
00:05:37And it's.
Seth
00:05:37It's in my opinion, quite possibly his best movie.
Kyle
00:05:41Yeah.
Kyle
00:05:41And he has a movie in my top 50, which is lost Boys.
Kyle
00:05:45Oh, right.
Kyle
00:05:45My.
Kyle
00:05:46I think it's the best vampire movie.
Kyle
00:05:47But it's also just to me is like ultimate 80s.
Seth
00:05:50I still haven't seen that.
Kyle
00:05:51Oh, bro.
Seth
00:05:51Yeah, Put on the list.
Seth
00:05:53Good.
Kyle
00:05:54The 4K is $10 on Amazon, but buy it somewhere else.
Kyle
00:05:58Fuck Amazon.
Kyle
00:05:59I used to work there.
Seth
00:06:00Please sponsor us.
Mariana
00:06:01Yeah, same.
Mariana
00:06:01I used to work there too.
Kyle
00:06:02Fuck them.
Kyle
00:06:03Go.
Kyle
00:06:04Go back to Walmart.
Kyle
00:06:06So, yeah, so yeah, Joel Schumacher, rip.
Kyle
00:06:08But you know, has a lot of crazy and that this is.
Kyle
00:06:11But this movie just kind of sticks out of the filmography.
Kyle
00:06:13It's very.
Kyle
00:06:13Feels very real.
Kyle
00:06:14It feels like a very, like relatable thing.
Seth
00:06:16So very stripped down.
Kyle
00:06:18Yes.
Seth
00:06:18Yeah.
Kyle
00:06:19Yes.
Kyle
00:06:20So before we get to the questions, if you have a fan out there, Michael Douglas, you know, always your grandma, always your grandma.
Seth
00:06:26And if she's not a fan of Michael Douglas, she's definitely a fan of Kirk Douglas.
Seth
00:06:29So either way.
Kyle
00:06:30Yeah.
Seth
00:06:31The Douglas boys.
Kyle
00:06:32Yeah.
Seth
00:06:32Papa and Son.
Kyle
00:06:33Or Doug the Show Doug.
Kyle
00:06:35Someone out there.
Kyle
00:06:37Someone out there needs this podcast.
Kyle
00:06:38It's going to save their life.
Kyle
00:06:39It saved my life.
Kyle
00:06:40It saved all these folks life.
Kyle
00:06:42Share this podcast if you're wondering about.
Seth
00:06:44The light, Harrison Ford is making another appearance.
Seth
00:06:47He might actually come on camera today.
Seth
00:06:49We don't know, but that is my cat.
Seth
00:06:51For those of you wondering, that's why there's light going around the fourth member.
Seth
00:06:54Yeah.
Kyle
00:06:55All right.
Kyle
00:06:56Do you think the questions.
Kyle
00:06:58Do you think fast food places strongly reconsidered their breakfast service times after seeing this movie?
Seth
00:07:03I mean, when did this movie come out?
Kyle
00:07:051993.
Seth
00:07:06Okay.
Seth
00:07:07Yeah.
Seth
00:07:07It was a while before McDonald's ended up doing all day breakfast.
Seth
00:07:10And then they took it away.
Seth
00:07:11You bastards bring back all day breakfast.
Kyle
00:07:14Yeah.
Seth
00:07:15Sonic is so good for that.
Seth
00:07:16Even though their breakfast is vastly under, under par.
Seth
00:07:20But, yeah, I have a feeling a lot of them did.
Seth
00:07:23I have a feeling a lot of them saw this and we're just like, all right, we've got a.
Seth
00:07:25We gotta be clear on.
Seth
00:07:27Cause I think a lot of them switch to 11 on the weekends.
Kyle
00:07:29Yeah.
Kyle
00:07:29This is how bad it can get.
Seth
00:07:31Yeah.
Mariana
00:07:31They're like, he does have a point, actually.
Seth
00:07:33So there should be a grace period, like a five minute after it changes.
Seth
00:07:39Grace period where you're like, okay, we still have some biscuits, fine.
Mariana
00:07:43I think if they still have any of it ready, you should be able to buy it till it's gone.
Seth
00:07:46Yeah.
Seth
00:07:47Right.
Kyle
00:07:47Yeah.
Mariana
00:07:48You're going to make somebody's day.
Seth
00:07:49Actually, when I went to Orlando a couple of weeks ago for my birthday, when I hit the Atlanta airport, I immediately was like, I just need to get something in my stomach.
Seth
00:07:59And I ran over to Chick Fil A.
Seth
00:08:00I watched the menu change from breakfast to lunch as I was in line, and I was so excited to get a chicken biscuit.
Seth
00:08:07And then out of nowhere, just switched to lunch.
Seth
00:08:09And I kind of felt his anger before I'd even seen the movie.
Seth
00:08:12I felt his anger in that moment and I was just like, fuck this.
Kyle
00:08:15Yeah.
Kyle
00:08:16I mean, Taco Bell is the ultimate example of this.
Kyle
00:08:18Everything they invent is the same shit, different wrapper.
Seth
00:08:20Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
00:08:21Like, oh, beef and a corn tortilla.
Kyle
00:08:23Beef and two tortillas.
Kyle
00:08:24Yeah, beef and three.
Kyle
00:08:26It's just like, let's fold the tortilla different way.
Seth
00:08:28It's a bacon and a taco waffle.
Kyle
00:08:30Yeah, it's.
Kyle
00:08:31It's.
Kyle
00:08:31It's a meat, a car barb and some other shit.
Seth
00:08:33Yeah.
Mariana
00:08:34Yeah.
Kyle
00:08:34Whether or not it's breakfast or lunch, just do it.
Seth
00:08:36Whether or not it's actual meat.
Kyle
00:08:38Yeah.
Seth
00:08:38You never know.
Kyle
00:08:39Who knows?
Kyle
00:08:39Who cares.
Mariana
00:08:40Well, also, it's.
Mariana
00:08:40It's like a great example of a rule that doesn't matter, that, like, people enforce for no reason.
Mariana
00:08:45You know, it just.
Mariana
00:08:46That's the stuff that makes you so angry about life.
Mariana
00:08:48You're like, but why?
Seth
00:08:50Yeah.
Mariana
00:08:51And not to mention when she.
Mariana
00:08:53When he first brings up the gun and she's gonna do what he says, you know, she just, like, grabs something from right there.
Mariana
00:09:00And I'm like, so it was right there and you couldn't give it to him?
Kyle
00:09:06Yeah.
Seth
00:09:06Well, hold on.
Seth
00:09:07Did she hand him a burger?
Seth
00:09:08Because I thought.
Seth
00:09:09I thought at that point he was like, never mind.
Seth
00:09:11I'll have lunch.
Seth
00:09:12She gave him the burger.
Mariana
00:09:13So she grabs the.
Mariana
00:09:15So I was very paying attention to the moment.
Seth
00:09:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mariana
00:09:18So she grabs this, and then he goes, no, I would like a burger.
Mariana
00:09:20And then she grabs something else.
Seth
00:09:22Oh, yeah, you guys.
Mariana
00:09:24And that burger looks horrible.
Seth
00:09:26Yeah.
Mariana
00:09:27It probably still looks the same.
Mariana
00:09:29Oh, probably.
Seth
00:09:30Yeah.
Mariana
00:09:30That's in a museum somewhere.
Seth
00:09:32Yeah.
Kyle
00:09:32I love that he called out the sad, squashed nature of it, because that's so real.
Mariana
00:09:36And that kid.
Mariana
00:09:37I loved the kid just being like, yeah, that.
Seth
00:09:40Yeah, this movie should not have been as funny as it was.
Seth
00:09:45Yeah, it was.
Seth
00:09:45So.
Seth
00:09:46But everyone was so dry about the.
Seth
00:09:49The hilarious nature of what was going on with this movie.
Seth
00:09:53I loved it.
Kyle
00:09:54Yeah.
Kyle
00:09:55Well, and I think it had to be in the commentary.
Kyle
00:09:58Joel did describe it as somewhat of a black comedy.
Seth
00:10:00Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:01Um, not.
Kyle
00:10:01Not in the deepest sense.
Kyle
00:10:02But, like, the truth is that even the.
Seth
00:10:05The.
Kyle
00:10:05I love what you said, because the idea of this breakfast menu, it's so arbitrary.
Kyle
00:10:08But it also, like, you know, it's like you start to realize the power structures in our life that can drive someone to a point to where he's at as much as being laid off from the place, because, you know, his whole thing is, I protected this country, and when they didn't need me, they were done.
Seth
00:10:21Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:21And now this guy could be considered a hero.
Kyle
00:10:24And now he's being subjected to the breakfast menu time.
Kyle
00:10:27And it's just, like, these arbitrary things that are in life that you could remove, but society won't allow you to move.
Kyle
00:10:33And for that reason, people go insane, kill themselves, depression, all that medication just to cope with the daily life, because we are just, like, restricted out of our minds.
Seth
00:10:42Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:43So there's a very real, like.
Kyle
00:10:44Even though it's funny and it's a breakfast scene.
Kyle
00:10:46It is very much like shit.
Kyle
00:10:47Like, I love what you said.
Kyle
00:10:48It's like, you could just not do this and just have breakfast.
Mariana
00:10:52Oh, sorry.
Seth
00:10:52Go ahead.
Mariana
00:10:53Well, I used to manage a retail shop at Buffalo Exchange.
Mariana
00:10:57Like, you know, it's thrift stuff.
Mariana
00:10:59There shouldn't be 600 rules.
Mariana
00:11:02We should be able to make somebody's day if they're having a bad day.
Mariana
00:11:05And it's just so easy.
Mariana
00:11:07And what they don't realize is, like, you do have some power.
Mariana
00:11:10There are some things they give you to, like a rabbit out of a hat to make somebody's day.
Mariana
00:11:15You know, like, they're freaking out.
Mariana
00:11:17So I am just kind of like, it's annoying that you have to push the other person to a point to where they'll act like a human.
Mariana
00:11:23And you're like, why couldn't you just have done that at the beginning?
Seth
00:11:25Exactly.
Seth
00:11:26Yeah, exactly.
Mariana
00:11:27Why are we doing that?
Mariana
00:11:28Why are we all pretending like this isn't a simulation?
Kyle
00:11:31Yeah, Yeah.
Seth
00:11:32I.
Seth
00:11:33I'm reminded of a meme that I saw recently that was like, capitalism us so bad that all of the movies that were like horror movies of the 90s were just about how awful middle class life is.
Seth
00:11:46And that's.
Seth
00:11:47I feel like this fits perfectly into that genre.
Seth
00:11:49I think it's.
Seth
00:11:50I think Fight Club kind of solidified that genre.
Seth
00:11:53I think this is better than Fight Club as far as the story that's told.
Kyle
00:11:56Yes.
Seth
00:11:56Also way less douchey.
Seth
00:11:58People love this movie.
Seth
00:11:59So.
Kyle
00:11:59Yeah, it's a little more relatable, more realistic.
Kyle
00:12:02Yeah.
Seth
00:12:03Not a red flag if it's in your top 25.
Mariana
00:12:06Did it remind either of you of the movie?
Seth
00:12:08Beau is Afraid I haven't seen that yet.
Kyle
00:12:10I mean, I actually haven't seen it.
Kyle
00:12:11That's a 24, right?
Seth
00:12:12Yeah, it's Ari Aster who did Midsummer.
Kyle
00:12:15Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:12:15Of course I'm going to bring it up.
Kyle
00:12:16Of course, of course.
Kyle
00:12:17Of course.
Mariana
00:12:18But.
Mariana
00:12:19Or did you watch Schenectady, New York?
Kyle
00:12:21No.
Mariana
00:12:21Okay.
Mariana
00:12:22So this movie actually reminds me of a really pared down version of both of those.
Mariana
00:12:26So I recommend those because they're kind of this, like, stream of consciousness.
Mariana
00:12:29Like, one thing happens and then it leads to another thing, and then it leads to another thing and you're like, what's happening?
Seth
00:12:35Yeah.
Mariana
00:12:35You know, you're on board.
Seth
00:12:37Well, that's something that's been a theme for a lot of the really good movies that we've been watching is a lot of them are the story unfolds.
Seth
00:12:44You don't have Unnecessary background.
Seth
00:12:46Sometimes you don't have any background.
Seth
00:12:48Sometimes the entire movie takes place completely within the confines of this is the beginning, this is the end.
Seth
00:12:55It's a straightforward narrative.
Seth
00:12:56There's no flashbacks.
Seth
00:12:57There's no jumping back and forth and weird timelines and shit.
Seth
00:13:01And that tends to be some of my favorite movies, is where the story is.
Seth
00:13:04You start with it here, and then you unfold it and there's a lot more.
Seth
00:13:07And then you unfold it and there's a lot more, and everything just continues to happen, but you're never questioning where you're at in the story.
Seth
00:13:15And I think this beautifully does that.
Kyle
00:13:17Yeah.
Kyle
00:13:17I mean, this literally takes place over the course of a day.
Seth
00:13:19Yeah.
Kyle
00:13:20I mean, it's just like one day in the life.
Seth
00:13:22Like six hours almost.
Kyle
00:13:23Yeah.
Seth
00:13:24Yeah.
Seth
00:13:24It's a very confined timeline.
Seth
00:13:26I like that instead of using flashbacks, they use him watching the videotapes.
Kyle
00:13:31I love that.
Seth
00:13:32I think that was a really cool linear narrative mood to kind of make it feel like you're jumping outside of the typical narrative structure.
Kyle
00:13:40I love that.
Kyle
00:13:41Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:13:42I know it's not a bottle episode, but it kind of reminded me of a bottle episode.
Seth
00:13:46What do you mean by bottle episode?
Mariana
00:13:47Bottle episode is like an episode of television that happens in one room with the whole cast inside.
Seth
00:13:52Oh, okay.
Mariana
00:13:53Like I dreamed of genie.
Mariana
00:13:54Like, if you were just in the.
Mariana
00:13:56The genie bottle the whole time.
Seth
00:13:57That makes sense.
Mariana
00:13:58Those are always my favorite movies.
Mariana
00:13:59It's a movie that happens.
Mariana
00:14:01It's either over the course of one day or something like that, or like a really small cast in a small situation.
Mariana
00:14:06And those are.
Mariana
00:14:07I used.
Mariana
00:14:07I went through a whole few years where that's all I would watch.
Seth
00:14:10Yeah.
Kyle
00:14:10Interesting.
Seth
00:14:11No, I get that.
Seth
00:14:12I like.
Seth
00:14:12I like them a lot, too.
Mariana
00:14:13Yeah.
Mariana
00:14:14So, yeah, a lot of horror movies happened in one room.
Seth
00:14:16Yeah.
Seth
00:14:17Yeah.
Mariana
00:14:18Sorry.
Mariana
00:14:18Sidetracked especially.
Kyle
00:14:20That won the room.
Mariana
00:14:21I'm just kidding.
Seth
00:14:23That was a horror production, not a horror movie.
Kyle
00:14:27Next question.
Kyle
00:14:28Is this nerd really hard to track down this?
Seth
00:14:32I mean, when your only description is white shirt and a tie?
Kyle
00:14:35Yeah, I know it's not the age of the Internet.
Kyle
00:14:37It's way before the Internet.
Kyle
00:14:38But this guy's shooting people and breaking shit and robbing.
Kyle
00:14:42Or not robbing, but breaking.
Kyle
00:14:43Like, smashing up stores and.
Seth
00:14:45I mean, he steals some shit.
Seth
00:14:46Yeah.
Kyle
00:14:46This dude goes.
Kyle
00:14:47He goes unnoticed.
Kyle
00:14:48Like, they can't find him anywhere.
Kyle
00:14:49Is it because we got the worst cop in Robert Duvall?
Kyle
00:14:52Pentagrass.
Kyle
00:14:53What a horrible.
Kyle
00:14:54I know he's retiring, but what a slouch I would hope none of my family members get murdered and he's in charge of finding out.
Kyle
00:15:01It's like, fuck, give me a different guy.
Seth
00:15:03I mean, he kept trying, and everyone else kept getting in his way.
Seth
00:15:05So I wouldn't say it's his fault.
Seth
00:15:07I'd say it's all of his other.
Seth
00:15:08Like, the dude that he punched, I think it's partially his fau.
Kyle
00:15:11Also, can we just talk about that guy, Bill Paxton ripoff.
Kyle
00:15:14Was he trying to pretend to be Bill Paxton from Predator 2?
Kyle
00:15:18Aliens?
Kyle
00:15:18He was literally, like, every.
Kyle
00:15:20Like, really, like, a True Lies.
Kyle
00:15:22You know, Bill Paxton used to, like.
Kyle
00:15:24He eventually became, like, a very, like, refined actor.
Kyle
00:15:27Like, frailty.
Seth
00:15:28Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:28But he had an archetype in the late 80s, early 90s where he was like, the really?
Kyle
00:15:32Like, whoa.
Kyle
00:15:35Every movie over, man.
Seth
00:15:37Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:37Yes.
Kyle
00:15:38And then Predator 2, it was like, all right, let's dance.
Kyle
00:15:41You know, this is like.
Kyle
00:15:42He's like.
Seth
00:15:43I think when he got Apollo 13 is when he started changing and was like, oh, no, I could be, like, a serious actor.
Kyle
00:15:48Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:49And then Tombstone.
Kyle
00:15:50Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:50Like, he finally was like, okay, I can finally act.
Kyle
00:15:52But, yeah, this guy is like.
Mariana
00:15:54He.
Kyle
00:15:54He's like, if.
Kyle
00:15:55If.
Kyle
00:15:56If.
Kyle
00:15:56This is gonna sound so stupid.
Kyle
00:15:58If Bill Paxton was a latte, this guy is just the foam.
Seth
00:16:02Yeah, He's.
Kyle
00:16:03He's the worst chair couture.
Kyle
00:16:05He's like, Bill Paxton.
Kyle
00:16:06Light discount.
Kyle
00:16:07Bill Paxton.
Seth
00:16:08Yeah.
Mariana
00:16:08Diet.
Seth
00:16:09Not even from Dollar General.
Seth
00:16:10Like, Dollar Tree.
Kyle
00:16:12Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:12What is this guy doing?
Kyle
00:16:14Made you cake.
Kyle
00:16:15What's going on?
Kyle
00:16:16Pet grass is your last day.
Kyle
00:16:18It's like, do you talk normal ever?
Kyle
00:16:20Is this, like, when someone calls you?
Kyle
00:16:21It's like, hey, your mom did.
Kyle
00:16:22Oh, no.
Kyle
00:16:23Oh, my Bill Paxton impression.
Kyle
00:16:28Horrible.
Kyle
00:16:29Of course it was 93.
Seth
00:16:31Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:31I mean, and if you had, like, a detective movie, maybe they just felt like they.
Kyle
00:16:34We couldn't get Bill Paxton, so, like, we got a mannequin version.
Seth
00:16:37What's funny to me is I would guarantee you he acted different on set than he did when he did the ADR, because up until maybe 15 years ago, 95% of the dialogue in almost every single movie was ADR.
Seth
00:16:52And a lot of directors would call that their second shot at acting in the movie.
Seth
00:16:56And I feel like a lot of actors, especially in that era of, like, the 80s through the 90s, tended to overact their second try for it.
Kyle
00:17:05Yeah.
Seth
00:17:06So I have a feeling that he.
Seth
00:17:07He.
Seth
00:17:08You know, mannerisms were still big, but I have a very strong feeling that he was a little different on set than he was when he finally Got in the recording booth.
Kyle
00:17:15Yes.
Kyle
00:17:15Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
00:17:16You'd have to be.
Kyle
00:17:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:17:19Rando, rando, randos.
Kyle
00:17:22Yes, you did.
Kyle
00:17:23It feels good, right?
Kyle
00:17:29It got weird.
Kyle
00:17:30I like it.
Kyle
00:17:31What do you think about that?
Kyle
00:17:32Harrison Ford just staring at me.
Kyle
00:17:34This.
Kyle
00:17:35This film didn't go without protest, so the LA Times wrote seven hit pieces attacking this film.
Kyle
00:17:40Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:41Because.
Kyle
00:17:41Because the actual defense workers that were protesting after they were laid off were.
Kyle
00:17:45They felt that it portrayed them in a negative light.
Kyle
00:17:48Oh, really?
Mariana
00:17:49He was a hero to me.
Kyle
00:17:50Yeah, totally.
Kyle
00:17:51He's killing Nazis and.
Kyle
00:17:53Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:17:54And then also.
Kyle
00:17:54But it also attracted a lot of protests from the Korean grocer associations of la.
Mariana
00:17:59But that was such a short amount of the film.
Kyle
00:18:02And, like, they were pissed, though.
Mariana
00:18:04I get it.
Mariana
00:18:04I mean, it's not like this best moment.
Mariana
00:18:07And, like, that's not the reason he.
Seth
00:18:08Still paid for the coke.
Kyle
00:18:10Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:10Yeah.
Mariana
00:18:10Well, that was what was so funny, when the cops just like, wait, he.
Mariana
00:18:13So he.
Mariana
00:18:14He paid?
Seth
00:18:15Yeah.
Seth
00:18:15You.
Mariana
00:18:16He didn't steal anything.
Mariana
00:18:18He's like, yeah, he just beat stuff up in my store.
Mariana
00:18:22That costs a lot.
Mariana
00:18:23I mean, it is a crime.
Kyle
00:18:24Yeah.
Seth
00:18:25Vandalism.
Mariana
00:18:25Not anymore, though.
Seth
00:18:27Yeah.
Seth
00:18:27At least in la.
Mariana
00:18:28Yeah.
Mariana
00:18:28No, I mean, I think you can just do that now.
Mariana
00:18:30And I don't think anybody's going to put you in jail.
Mariana
00:18:33I mean, my car got stolen and nothing happened, of course.
Mariana
00:18:35Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:36Oh, really?
Mariana
00:18:36Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:37Oh, wow.
Mariana
00:18:37It got stolen on Christmas Day last year, and then it was gone for six months.
Mariana
00:18:41They found it that day.
Mariana
00:18:43News flash.
Mariana
00:18:44Nothing happens if you're under 18 and you steal a car.
Mariana
00:18:47I shouldn't be telling anybody that.
Mariana
00:18:49If I stole a car, I'd be in jail.
Kyle
00:18:50Was this in Nashville?
Mariana
00:18:51Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:52Where'd it get stolen from?
Mariana
00:18:54My house.
Kyle
00:18:54Oh, wow.
Seth
00:18:55Damn.
Kyle
00:18:55Damn.
Mariana
00:18:56It's okay.
Kyle
00:18:57I was kind of hoping he said Lowe's.
Mariana
00:18:59No, they stole a bunch from Lowe's, too.
Mariana
00:19:01But that's why I was thinking.
Mariana
00:19:02I'm like, well, you know, at least this guy's just.
Mariana
00:19:04I mean, he didn't get.
Mariana
00:19:05I don't think he got hurt.
Mariana
00:19:06I don't think he beat him up.
Mariana
00:19:07No, Douglas.
Seth
00:19:08He pushed him down, but he didn't push him down.
Mariana
00:19:10But then he just beat up the stuff in his store.
Mariana
00:19:12So I was like, I don't even know if that's a crime.
Kyle
00:19:14Did y'all laugh when I.
Kyle
00:19:15When he was Talking about how 85 cents was too much for a Coke?
Seth
00:19:18Yes.
Kyle
00:19:18I was like, damn.
Seth
00:19:19And he's right.
Mariana
00:19:20In LA, it's still too much for a Coke.
Kyle
00:19:23Yeah.
Seth
00:19:2450 cents.
Seth
00:19:25That's the good place.
Mariana
00:19:26Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:26Yeah, it really is.
Seth
00:19:27Bring it back.
Seth
00:19:28Coke, 50 cents.
Mariana
00:19:29Yeah, well, don't.
Mariana
00:19:30I mean, I'm not.
Mariana
00:19:31Take the poison out.
Mariana
00:19:34I can't have Coke.
Mariana
00:19:35It gives me migraines.
Kyle
00:19:37Yeah, I don't drink.
Kyle
00:19:37I don't drink that shit.
Kyle
00:19:38Yeah, I drink bourbon.
Seth
00:19:42I drink actual poison.
Kyle
00:19:44Actual poison.
Mariana
00:19:45That's safe poison, so.
Kyle
00:19:46Makes my liver weep.
Kyle
00:19:49It's hard to imagine anyone but Michael Douglas playing this role.
Kyle
00:19:52Yeah, I love that.
Kyle
00:19:54His name is Bill Foster, but in the credits, his name is Defense.
Kyle
00:19:56Yeah, I love that.
Kyle
00:19:58Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:58And that's his license plate, like, so.
Kyle
00:20:00Well done.
Seth
00:20:00Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:01But there was a ton of names attached to this before Douglas was attached to it, so this is crazy.
Kyle
00:20:06Harrison Ford, Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro, Robin Williams, and Jeff Bridges.
Seth
00:20:11So in my opinion, as great as the job as he did, every single one of them other than Jeff Bridges, I could see in that role.
Kyle
00:20:17Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:18So he's always the dude to me.
Seth
00:20:19Yeah.
Seth
00:20:20Well, for me, he's always Flynn from Tron.
Kyle
00:20:23Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:20:24Oh, yeah, Good point.
Seth
00:20:25Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:25He's always Rooster from True Grit to me.
Kyle
00:20:27What is he to you?
Mariana
00:20:28He's the old man from the old man.
Kyle
00:20:31He's always the old man.
Seth
00:20:33But other than him, I easily could have said seen any of them playing that role.
Kyle
00:20:37Yeah.
Seth
00:20:37So, I mean, it makes sense.
Seth
00:20:38But I do think ultimately they nailed it with him.
Mariana
00:20:41Robin Williams would have been a fun choice, though.
Mariana
00:20:43I always love him in Serious Stuff.
Seth
00:20:45Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:46Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:46After.
Kyle
00:20:47After I saw him in Insomnia with Al Pacino, I always was like, I want to see Robin Williams.
Kyle
00:20:52And then phone.
Kyle
00:20:52What is it, One hour photo.
Mariana
00:20:54Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:20:55His.
Seth
00:20:55His final movie was actually filmed here, and it was a drama.
Kyle
00:20:58Really?
Mariana
00:20:59Yeah.
Seth
00:21:00Y'all keep talking and I'll find out.
Mariana
00:21:01Okay.
Mariana
00:21:02I love Robin.
Mariana
00:21:03I could see all of those people doing this in a different way.
Mariana
00:21:06But, you know, this is Michael Douglas's favorite film he ever did.
Kyle
00:21:10Yeah, that's my next rando.
Kyle
00:21:11Go ahead.
Seth
00:21:11Oh, please.
Mariana
00:21:12Maybe I read it on your paper, but I also read the Wikipedia, but.
Mariana
00:21:16And Kirk Douglas's favorite movie of his, which I think is really interesting because it's such a low key, weird movie.
Kyle
00:21:23Yeah.
Seth
00:21:24Boulevard, that was Robin Williams last movie that he filmed.
Seth
00:21:26It wasn't the last one that came out, but it was the last one he was on set for.
Kyle
00:21:29Interesting.
Seth
00:21:29And that was shot here and premiered at the Nashville Film Festival.
Kyle
00:21:32Huh.
Seth
00:21:33Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:33I wonder what.
Kyle
00:21:34What part of Nashville All Over.
Kyle
00:21:36Really?
Seth
00:21:36Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:37That's awesome.
Kyle
00:21:38Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:39And so that's I love that.
Kyle
00:21:40That this is.
Kyle
00:21:41You know, and he has so many iconic characters.
Kyle
00:21:43Gordon Gekko.
Kyle
00:21:45Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:45And then Basic Instinct and all that stuff.
Kyle
00:21:47Like.
Kyle
00:21:48And then he goes and does this.
Mariana
00:21:49Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:21:51And so back to the haircut.
Kyle
00:21:53Like, he was really reluctant because that was kind of his look.
Kyle
00:21:55And he even had it.
Kyle
00:21:56When you see him accepting the Oscar for One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, he has this long hair, and he was really.
Kyle
00:22:00He really didn't want to cut it.
Kyle
00:22:01But Schumacher, his hairdresser, said this guy needs to, like, have a militant.
Seth
00:22:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:0650S haircut.
Seth
00:22:07Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:08He needs.
Kyle
00:22:08The goal was.
Kyle
00:22:09And this is what Schumacher says.
Kyle
00:22:10He needed to look like he was transported from a different time.
Seth
00:22:13Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:14He needed to look like he was from the 1950s.
Mariana
00:22:16Yeah, he.
Mariana
00:22:17And he did.
Mariana
00:22:18That was.
Mariana
00:22:18That really sold it.
Seth
00:22:19I mean, that.
Seth
00:22:20Especially on screen, that kind of was the.
Seth
00:22:23The portrayal of, like, the nerd archetype at that time was still stuck in the 50s, stuck in the 60s with the.
Seth
00:22:30The pocket protector and the glasses and.
Seth
00:22:32Yeah.
Seth
00:22:32The military kind of haircut.
Seth
00:22:34So that makes a lot of sense.
Kyle
00:22:35Yeah.
Seth
00:22:35Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:36And then lastly, this was.
Kyle
00:22:37I kind of referenced this earlier, but this was based on the real events going on with the layoff.
Kyle
00:22:42So the screenwriter that originally wrote it wrote it based on the.
Kyle
00:22:45The layoffs that were happening with these defense workers that were kind of left over from the Cold War.
Kyle
00:22:50So the screenwriter also wrote it based on.
Kyle
00:22:53There was apparently this trucker that got angry.
Mariana
00:22:55Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:55Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:56You read about this.
Kyle
00:22:56Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:57Got angry and started ramming cars off the highway.
Seth
00:23:00Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:23:01And.
Kyle
00:23:01And, like, was thinking, like, even though obviously that's not happening here.
Seth
00:23:04Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:04But he was thinking, like, this is, like, a person that all of a sudden, the rules don't apply.
Seth
00:23:08Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:09And, like.
Kyle
00:23:10And so that's what.
Kyle
00:23:11So between that and the defense worker thing, that's where the wheels got turning for this.
Seth
00:23:14Amazing.
Mariana
00:23:15How does that not happen more, though?
Mariana
00:23:16If I was an.
Mariana
00:23:17If I drove a truck for a living, I don't know how those.
Mariana
00:23:20They stay not crazy.
Seth
00:23:22Somehow the social contract is strong enough that we've just decided not to run everybody off the road.
Kyle
00:23:27Not.
Mariana
00:23:28Not with me.
Mariana
00:23:28I'd be a bad truck driver.
Mariana
00:23:30I always feel like that is like one of those jobs where I'm like, well, thank God you're doing it, not me.
Kyle
00:23:36Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:36And we're seeing.
Kyle
00:23:37I mean, we are seeing it kind of the social contract falling apart.
Seth
00:23:40Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:41All over the place.
Mariana
00:23:42Well, I was thinking.
Mariana
00:23:43I'm like, it's a good thing this movie didn't Just come out.
Mariana
00:23:45Because people would be like this.
Seth
00:23:49Yeah.
Mariana
00:23:50Like, I mean, there's only a few things in my life keeping me from losing my shit all the time.
Seth
00:23:56Absolutely.
Mariana
00:23:57If I didn't like own a house or, you know.
Seth
00:23:59Thank God for weed.
Mariana
00:24:01Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:24:03Thank God for coffee.
Seth
00:24:04Yeah.
Mariana
00:24:05Coffee and weed.
Kyle
00:24:06Coffee, yeah.
Kyle
00:24:07If this, if they were to remake this today, would he be like a content moderator from Meta or something?
Kyle
00:24:12Like, I keep you all safe because you don't see the car accidents with the brains exploding.
Mariana
00:24:16Yeah.
Mariana
00:24:17No, seriously, I used to work at TikTok and the content moderators have the most insane sense of humor because, like, oh, I'm sure their job's horrible and they're underpaid.
Seth
00:24:27It's, it's a.
Seth
00:24:28I mean, some of them literally have to find child porn to take it down.
Seth
00:24:31Like, how, how messed up would you.
Mariana
00:24:33Be all day though?
Kyle
00:24:36Yeah, yeah.
Seth
00:24:37Eight hours every single day.
Mariana
00:24:40So.
Kyle
00:24:41Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:41And one thing that kind of jogged loose, like, and this is not ahead earlier, but one thing, I think I'm obsessed with this site.
Kyle
00:24:47Like you guys ever have like ideas that you're obsessed with and you always look for in movies and art, you're always like, oh, I like one thing that stuck with me.
Kyle
00:24:53Taxi Drivers.
Kyle
00:24:54My second favorite movie of all time.
Kyle
00:24:56And one thing I always take from that movie is like you.
Kyle
00:24:59You saying Social Contract is what knocked this loose in my mind.
Kyle
00:25:02Like, obviously Pickle trying to kill a politician was horrible.
Seth
00:25:06Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:07Pickle killing a pimp that pimps out a 12 year old girl is good.
Seth
00:25:11Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:12But it's like same guy.
Seth
00:25:13Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:14So it's like we have these sliding scales of evil and it's moral relativity is what it is.
Kyle
00:25:19But it's like the thing about this is it's the same thing.
Kyle
00:25:21It's not the same movie as Taxi Driver, but it's the same concept.
Kyle
00:25:24It's like horrible.
Kyle
00:25:25The things he's doing to the Korean grocer.
Seth
00:25:27Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:27Kills a Nazi.
Kyle
00:25:28Okay.
Seth
00:25:29It's like kind of okay with it.
Kyle
00:25:30And I'm just.
Kyle
00:25:31It.
Kyle
00:25:31I love movies that make me think, like, what am I willing to accept, you know, if, if a good thing is done by a bad person.
Seth
00:25:38Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:39It's like, well, what's the level we're willing to accept?
Kyle
00:25:41And that's the Taxi Driver.
Kyle
00:25:42That's the movie that, that's the main question the Taxi Driver asks, you know, of Bickle, because he's unstable.
Kyle
00:25:47You don't want him out there in the population.
Kyle
00:25:48Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:48I killed a pimp though.
Kyle
00:25:50You know, turn a 12 year old girl into a sex lady.
Kyle
00:25:52We'll kill him.
Kyle
00:25:53That's good.
Kyle
00:25:53But no more politicians.
Seth
00:25:55The problem is, especially in falling down, is like, you can tell he's not doing it for any moral code at all.
Seth
00:26:03He is literally doing it.
Seth
00:26:05He wouldn't have touched the Nazi guy if he hadn't have kept going.
Seth
00:26:09If he had just shut up would have been fine.
Seth
00:26:11He would have let him live.
Seth
00:26:12But then it was because he got in his way.
Seth
00:26:15That's the only reason.
Seth
00:26:16The only reason he took out that gang banger was because he got in his way.
Seth
00:26:20That's it.
Seth
00:26:21So it's like, yeah, it's hard to as sympathetic as you feel when he does like kill a fucking Nazi at the same time.
Seth
00:26:27You're like, but he wasn't going to.
Kyle
00:26:30Yeah.
Mariana
00:26:31Yeah.
Seth
00:26:31So it's an interesting juxtaposition.
Mariana
00:26:34My favorite part of the whole movie is when he's like, I'm the bad guy.
Kyle
00:26:38Yes.
Mariana
00:26:38And I'm like, I feel so much for him then.
Mariana
00:26:41Because I'm like, exactly.
Mariana
00:26:42That's how I feel all the time.
Mariana
00:26:44And I go down these rabbit holes and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm.
Mariana
00:26:48I'm a bad person now.
Mariana
00:26:50And it's just like.
Mariana
00:26:51No, it's just stuff keeps happening to you and you react and it just gets to there at some point for everybody.
Kyle
00:26:57And that going back to the haircut rando about like he had to look like he was from the 50s.
Kyle
00:27:01Like, society changes around us and like, I know I'm only 37, but like, you know, I do have four kids and I feel really old sometimes because I'm just tired all the time.
Kyle
00:27:09And like, I have all these interests that I'm also doing at the same time with comedy and podcasts.
Kyle
00:27:13Like, I'm just very tired.
Seth
00:27:14Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:15And sometimes I look out the window, I'm just like, man, the world is just moving regardless.
Kyle
00:27:19Yeah, it's just like.
Kyle
00:27:20And it's transforming faster than ever.
Kyle
00:27:22And like the thing that, that works today and the thing that's funny today or the thing that's not funny today, like, tomorrow is a different day.
Kyle
00:27:29And this guy, that's the question he's posing.
Kyle
00:27:32And obviously he's a bad dude, but he is posing a real question, which is this world has moved on.
Kyle
00:27:36We're not in the Cold War anymore.
Kyle
00:27:37I'm not needed anymore.
Kyle
00:27:39And all of a sudden he's this old statue in a different world.
Kyle
00:27:43And so that is a real question we have to ask ourselves, especially in a techn.
Kyle
00:27:46Like, if this was made now it's like this world moves so fast.
Seth
00:27:49Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:50Yeah.
Mariana
00:27:50And it's to no fault of his own either.
Mariana
00:27:52That's the other thing is, like, he was probably good at what he did.
Seth
00:27:55Yeah.
Mariana
00:27:55And then at that point, it's like there's no.
Mariana
00:27:56Indeed.
Mariana
00:27:57There's no.
Mariana
00:27:58Like, he.
Mariana
00:27:58This is what he did.
Mariana
00:27:59He was trained for this.
Mariana
00:28:00He did this for how long?
Mariana
00:28:02Then what do you do?
Seth
00:28:03Yeah.
Mariana
00:28:03And it's like you should just kind of be able to retire at that point.
Mariana
00:28:05But nobody can do that in the middle class.
Mariana
00:28:08I mean, for.
Mariana
00:28:08For ages, that has not been a.
Mariana
00:28:10A thing people have been able to do.
Seth
00:28:12Yeah.
Mariana
00:28:12So I get it, man.
Mariana
00:28:14I want to.
Mariana
00:28:15I almost snapped watching the movie.
Kyle
00:28:16Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:28:17When yourself got yourself a breakfast sandwich.
Mariana
00:28:19I know.
Seth
00:28:20I feel like if it was made today, it wouldn't be a meta guy.
Seth
00:28:23It would be someone who got fired from, like, MySpace right before.
Mariana
00:28:27Yeah, that's a good point.
Mariana
00:28:30Well, but I guess then you could still pivot because you're in, like, you know, social media of some sort, I guess.
Seth
00:28:36But like, for me, it's like when you look at what MySpace was and how different all the other social medias had become from that, it still would be like that antiquated way of looking at.
Seth
00:28:46So, you know, it'd be like coming into a political campaign and being like, we need to get those newspaper ads out there.
Seth
00:28:52It's like, yeah, you could pivot, but if you're so specialized on one part of the process, it'd be hard to jump outside of that.
Mariana
00:28:58Can we just say, I wish MySpace would come back?
Seth
00:29:01Just.
Seth
00:29:02Timberlake owns it, so.
Mariana
00:29:03Justin Timberlake.
Mariana
00:29:04You used to be my old roommate's boss.
Mariana
00:29:07Because he was on.
Mariana
00:29:08He was your sound guy.
Mariana
00:29:10Please make MySpace a thing.
Mariana
00:29:11Why does he not do something with it?
Seth
00:29:14I was hallmates with his little brother.
Mariana
00:29:16I don't know.
Mariana
00:29:17Hallmates?
Seth
00:29:18Yeah, we were on the same floor.
Mariana
00:29:20Okay.
Mariana
00:29:20I was like, this must be a fancy college thing.
Mariana
00:29:23I don't know.
Kyle
00:29:24I was.
Seth
00:29:24We lived in the Great Hall.
Mariana
00:29:26We lived in the Great Hall.
Kyle
00:29:29I was Timberlake's bartender the night he got his dui.
Kyle
00:29:35I just don't have a Timberlake story.
Seth
00:29:37He goes to the Hamptons once a year to bar tend.
Seth
00:29:39One time.
Kyle
00:29:40Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:29:41I get him drunk off his ass and he drives a Yukon through a bunch of pedestrians.
Mariana
00:29:44Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:29:46Yeah.
Seth
00:29:46The world tour.
Kyle
00:29:47Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:48Side note, we have a lot of tangents here, but if you're that rich and drunk, why are you still driving?
Kyle
00:29:53You shouldn't be Driving.
Kyle
00:29:54Anyway, you're rich and drunk.
Seth
00:29:55Yeah.
Mariana
00:29:56Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:56Anyway, celebrities never listen to me.
Kyle
00:30:00Shall we fall down?
Seth
00:30:02Yeah, let's do.
Kyle
00:30:03Shall we get a water gun?
Kyle
00:30:04Shall we go to the.
Kyle
00:30:05Shall we get a whammy burger?
Seth
00:30:06There we go.
Kyle
00:30:07Let's.
Kyle
00:30:08Let's warm for positive.
Kyle
00:30:10Affirmative.
Kyle
00:30:11Yes, we love it.
Kyle
00:30:12Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:30:13And if it wasn't good, we didn't like.
Kyle
00:30:15I hated it falling down.
Kyle
00:30:16It fall.
Kyle
00:30:16It falls down.
Kyle
00:30:17So I like the way I'm obsessed with the whammy burger.
Kyle
00:30:20The word whammy top.
Kyle
00:30:23Bill Cass, Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall.
Seth
00:30:26Two powerhouses of post 70s acting.
Seth
00:30:31Like, they're just both incredible.
Seth
00:30:33Both killed their roles perfectly.
Seth
00:30:35That final confrontation scene is masterful.
Seth
00:30:39Like, that was.
Seth
00:30:40Not only was it just well filmed, but it was well directed.
Seth
00:30:43And the two of them, you just felt like you were watching this happen on the news.
Kyle
00:30:48Yeah.
Seth
00:30:48Like you didn't feel like you were watching a movie.
Seth
00:30:50You felt like some guy was there with a camera.
Seth
00:30:53Just watching two guys have a showdown.
Seth
00:30:55Insane.
Seth
00:30:56Definitely.
Seth
00:30:57Whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:30:58Love it.
Mariana
00:30:59Yeah.
Mariana
00:30:59Also a whammy burger.
Mariana
00:31:01I just feel like, like you said, I'm just like, these are just two guys.
Mariana
00:31:04This is just a cop and a guy that snapped.
Mariana
00:31:07And I just feel like I'm in this microcosm of world.
Mariana
00:31:10Like, what are they gonna do next?
Mariana
00:31:12I can't remember any of the other things Robert Duvall was in, except that I know I've seen him a million times.
Mariana
00:31:18He's just been in too many movies.
Seth
00:31:20Have you seen Newsies?
Mariana
00:31:21No.
Seth
00:31:22Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:31:22He's William Randolph Hearst in that one.
Mariana
00:31:24Okay.
Mariana
00:31:26I would have remembered that.
Kyle
00:31:27Probably what I said, William.
Kyle
00:31:29I'm being dumb.
Kyle
00:31:29Sorry.
Kyle
00:31:30Please continue with your great thought.
Kyle
00:31:32That's not.
Kyle
00:31:33I'm not.
Mariana
00:31:33Not a great thought.
Mariana
00:31:34I just liked them.
Mariana
00:31:36I just liked him.
Seth
00:31:37No, he's great.
Mariana
00:31:38Whammy.
Kyle
00:31:38Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:31:39I go whammy burger, too.
Kyle
00:31:41I think it's very understated, too, the.
Kyle
00:31:42The.
Kyle
00:31:43The ending, confrontation.
Kyle
00:31:44Because it's the same.
Kyle
00:31:45It's the same scenario.
Kyle
00:31:47We find ourselves in, like, heat.
Seth
00:31:48Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:49Two sides.
Kyle
00:31:49It's a very popular mechanism in film, especially with.
Kyle
00:31:52When it's like detective, mystery type films.
Kyle
00:31:54It's like two.
Kyle
00:31:55Oftentimes the protagonist and antagonists are interchangeable.
Kyle
00:31:59They're two sides of the same coin.
Kyle
00:32:00They just happen to be on different paths.
Kyle
00:32:02You don't really realize it till the end.
Kyle
00:32:03But Duvall is a man who hasn't been faced with a lot of challenges since he got off.
Kyle
00:32:07He's become a Desk jockey.
Kyle
00:32:09And all of a sudden, he's on his last day of retirement and he feels the calling, and, like, he finds himself at this crossroads.
Kyle
00:32:14They're both at their moment.
Seth
00:32:15Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:16You know, and I think I love how they both deliver it.
Kyle
00:32:18Duvall is a guy that I just like, you know, because Apocalypse now is, like, a top 10 movie for me.
Kyle
00:32:22I'm obsessed, and I've studied that movie like crazy.
Kyle
00:32:25It's just so crazy seeing him still act in these later movies.
Kyle
00:32:28After being in the Godfather, after being in Apocalypse now, like, there's just.
Mariana
00:32:31This is what I mean.
Mariana
00:32:32He's in everything.
Seth
00:32:32Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:33There's just so much greatness.
Kyle
00:32:35I actually, his.
Kyle
00:32:35What is that movie?
Kyle
00:32:36The Disciple that came out or the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:39Sorry, the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:40Yeah, he's in.
Seth
00:32:41He's in the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:42Yeah.
Seth
00:32:43With Michael Sheen, there's.
Kyle
00:32:44I think there's two apostles.
Seth
00:32:46Okay.
Kyle
00:32:46He plays a.
Kyle
00:32:47He plays a.
Kyle
00:32:48Like a pastor that murders somebody and becomes a preacher in a different town.
Kyle
00:32:51Like, he was a preacher where he came from.
Seth
00:32:52Very different movie.
Kyle
00:32:54Yeah, there's a ton.
Kyle
00:32:55There's, like, a whole bunch of apostle movies out there, right?
Kyle
00:32:58Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:32:59There's one called Apostle Paul.
Mariana
00:33:01Apostle Now.
Seth
00:33:02Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:02Apostle Lives Now.
Seth
00:33:05Oh, that's the second coming.
Kyle
00:33:07Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:09Well done.
Kyle
00:33:10To be a comedian.
Seth
00:33:11Oh.
Kyle
00:33:11Oh, that's an idea.
Kyle
00:33:13But I do love that final showdown.
Kyle
00:33:15And I think Douglas, he has such a.
Kyle
00:33:18It's.
Kyle
00:33:18It's funny to see him tamper down here because he.
Kyle
00:33:20He always.
Kyle
00:33:21He always has so much bravado.
Seth
00:33:23Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:33:23But here he's broken down, but he's still snarky.
Kyle
00:33:26Yeah, he's got that snark, and you can't really get rid of it, and it works.
Kyle
00:33:29Like I.
Kyle
00:33:30The scene you pointed out, like, I'm the bad guy.
Kyle
00:33:32And then when he realizes when they're at the mansion with the pool and the family and, like, he's like, having these real life.
Kyle
00:33:38Those moments are where he's brilliant, where he's, like, all of a sudden being faced with himself and he doesn't ever question himself.
Kyle
00:33:44But these two very specific, specific scenes with the pool and the family and then the Nazi, where all of a sudden he's, like, being faced with this.
Kyle
00:33:51Like, how could I?
Kyle
00:33:52I was wrong.
Seth
00:33:53Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:53You know, I'm a man of a different era, and so it's.
Kyle
00:33:56It's.
Kyle
00:33:56The times did this to me.
Kyle
00:33:58And I think Douglas really plays it off.
Seth
00:34:00Yeah.
Kyle
00:34:00Yeah.
Seth
00:34:00Well, I feel like throughout the whole movie, he tries to balance doing something shitty with doing the right thing.
Seth
00:34:08So it's like in the.
Seth
00:34:09In the convenience store scene.
Seth
00:34:11Yeah.
Seth
00:34:11He destroys the entire store, but he still pays for the coke.
Seth
00:34:15In the scene where he's.
Seth
00:34:16He.
Seth
00:34:16Yeah.
Seth
00:34:16Runs into the pool house.
Seth
00:34:18He's running away from the cops after he's done some horrific shit.
Seth
00:34:21But he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to hurt you guys.
Seth
00:34:24Like, you guys are totally fine.
Seth
00:34:25You have nothing to do with this.
Seth
00:34:26Like, every time something happens, he tries to do something good to, like, make up for the shitty thing that he just did.
Kyle
00:34:32Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:33I love how he's always like, wait, you think I'm a thief?
Seth
00:34:36Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:37You think I'm going to hurt you?
Mariana
00:34:39And he's, like, waving around a gun and he's just like, yeah, this guy's really snapped.
Seth
00:34:43Shoots the ceiling.
Seth
00:34:44Whoa.
Seth
00:34:44That was an accident.
Mariana
00:34:45I know.
Mariana
00:34:46That was great.
Mariana
00:34:47That's how I would have a gun, honestly.
Seth
00:34:49Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:50I also like that the two main characters have, like, a very similar weird story, especially with the daughter.
Mariana
00:34:56Like, he does have a daughter, but he lost her.
Mariana
00:34:58And he did have a daughter, and he lost her.
Mariana
00:35:00And it's just like, you could have been the same person.
Kyle
00:35:03Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:03If you'd taken a different road.
Mariana
00:35:06And I just think, like, you know, this was back in the time when there just weren't a lot of options.
Seth
00:35:09Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:10I mean, he lived in la, sure.
Mariana
00:35:11But, like, it's not like you can just do anything.
Mariana
00:35:15I mean, that's like a lie they tell you when you kid.
Kyle
00:35:17Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:17And they did.
Seth
00:35:18Literally.
Kyle
00:35:18And both of them.
Kyle
00:35:19Society is done with them.
Kyle
00:35:20Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Mariana
00:35:21And it's not their choice.
Seth
00:35:23Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:23Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:23He can make mattresses.
Kyle
00:35:25I was thinking.
Kyle
00:35:25I'm just thinking of all the things a defense and a defense guy could engineer.
Kyle
00:35:28I mean, sure, they could build something.
Seth
00:35:30Brakes, maybe.
Kyle
00:35:31Yeah, Maybe could build some brakes.
Kyle
00:35:33We need more breaks.
Mariana
00:35:35I got new brakes yesterday, so.
Seth
00:35:36There you go.
Mariana
00:35:37They're still around.
Kyle
00:35:38Yes.
Kyle
00:35:39You made it here.
Mariana
00:35:40I did.
Kyle
00:35:40You made it here and your car didn't get stolen.
Mariana
00:35:42I know.
Mariana
00:35:42I was gonna say they were 80, worn down.
Seth
00:35:45Oh, wow.
Kyle
00:35:46All right.
Kyle
00:35:47One to zero.
Kyle
00:35:47Whammy Burger.
Kyle
00:35:48Supporting cast.
Kyle
00:35:49And we got a lot of people to go through.
Kyle
00:35:50Yes.
Mariana
00:35:51Tuesday.
Kyle
00:35:51Tuesday Weld as Mrs.
Kyle
00:35:54Pentagrast, Barbara Hershey as Beth, and Rachel to Cotton, who was also.
Kyle
00:35:58She played Sandra, but amazing in Total Recall, opposite of Arnold.
Kyle
00:36:02Oh.
Kyle
00:36:02Lois Smith, who is from Twister.
Kyle
00:36:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:36:07What's her name?
Kyle
00:36:08What?
Kyle
00:36:08Aunt.
Kyle
00:36:08Aunt.
Kyle
00:36:09What was her name?
Kyle
00:36:09And Twister.
Kyle
00:36:10She's so.
Kyle
00:36:11She's so amazing in Twister.
Seth
00:36:12Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:14The big.
Seth
00:36:14The best steak and eggs I've ever seen in my life.
Kyle
00:36:16Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:18Was that your cow?
Kyle
00:36:20And then from there it kind of.
Kyle
00:36:22I will call this out.
Kyle
00:36:23Captain Yardley, who was a complete dick.
Kyle
00:36:25Raymond.
Kyle
00:36:25Raymond J.
Kyle
00:36:26Barry.
Seth
00:36:26Yeah.
Mariana
00:36:27Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:27Oh, and the guy that thinks he's Bill Paxton, D.W.
Kyle
00:36:29moffitt is detective Lydecker.
Mariana
00:36:32Great.
Kyle
00:36:32Lydekker.
Kyle
00:36:33Sorry.
Kyle
00:36:34It's hard.
Kyle
00:36:34It's hard to read and say it's Lydekker, but I said Lydecker.
Kyle
00:36:37Yeah, it sounds like a, like an accusation of abuse.
Kyle
00:36:40Lydecker.
Seth
00:36:41Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:42Okay.
Kyle
00:36:42Sorry.
Kyle
00:36:44Supported cast.
Seth
00:36:46I'm kind of 50, 50 on them.
Seth
00:36:48Like some of them were the perfect caricature of who they were representing.
Seth
00:36:54And then others, the Nazi guy I would put in that category.
Seth
00:36:58I definitely, I definitely thought he was Dice Clay when I, for.
Seth
00:37:01When I first saw him pop up on screen, the way he was acting.
Kyle
00:37:03Frederick Forest.
Seth
00:37:04Yeah.
Seth
00:37:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:05He looks exact.
Kyle
00:37:06His IMDb picture.
Kyle
00:37:08He looks exactly like Dice Clay.
Kyle
00:37:11Dice Clay.
Kyle
00:37:11He looks exactly like Dice Clay.
Seth
00:37:13But then you have the, you know, low level detective guy who's just so overacting like a very split on it.
Seth
00:37:21But overall, because I came out of the movie enjoying what everyone did give to it, I am going to give it a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:37:30Cool.
Seth
00:37:30But another 5.1.
Kyle
00:37:31Okay.
Seth
00:37:32Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:32Out of 74.
Seth
00:37:33Out of 74.
Kyle
00:37:34Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:35I feel like whammy burger, but at the same time, I feel like it wasn't about the supporting cast.
Seth
00:37:40Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:41I will say that.
Mariana
00:37:41His wife, Tuesday, specifically Pendergrass wife, she annoyed me so much.
Mariana
00:37:47She did it perfectly.
Mariana
00:37:49Like she would have.
Seth
00:37:50Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:50You know, like that character would have.
Mariana
00:37:52But I was just like, oh, my God.
Mariana
00:37:53I would have divorced this woman so long ago.
Seth
00:37:56Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:37:56Like if somebody was calling me all day just like, when are you coming home?
Mariana
00:37:59When you come home.
Mariana
00:38:00Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:38:02But at the same time, that's what the character was supposed to be doing.
Mariana
00:38:04It's just an interesting way.
Mariana
00:38:06I don't, I don't like, love the way that they portrayed.
Mariana
00:38:10She was like one of the main women characters.
Mariana
00:38:12I love the, the other cop.
Kyle
00:38:16Oh, Sandra.
Seth
00:38:17Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:38:18I love.
Kyle
00:38:18Played by Rachel to Koch from Total Recall.
Mariana
00:38:21Yes.
Mariana
00:38:22She was great.
Mariana
00:38:23I mean, they were great at what they did for what the direction was.
Mariana
00:38:26But at the same time I'm like, they didn't feel like real people and they didn't feel like whole characters.
Seth
00:38:32That's why I'm at like just, just.
Mariana
00:38:34Barely squeaks like, wham.
Mariana
00:38:36Yeah, it's a wham.
Kyle
00:38:39Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:40I, I went falling down on this one, I.
Kyle
00:38:42I think Sandra.
Kyle
00:38:44I agree.
Kyle
00:38:44And then Lois Smith, who's basically the same person she is when she's the aunt and twister.
Seth
00:38:48Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:49Outside of that, it's just way too disjointed.
Kyle
00:38:51Like, I don't.
Kyle
00:38:52I'm not one of those people that, like, some people annoy me.
Kyle
00:38:54Like, I just don't feel like I have enough backstory.
Kyle
00:38:55It's like you said, this is a containerized story.
Seth
00:38:57Yeah.
Seth
00:38:58You don't need backstory.
Seth
00:38:59Yeah, but depth is different from backstory.
Kyle
00:39:01Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:01If you're going to act out of line, like Captain Yardley being such a dick out of nowhere, and then Licker pretending to be a Bill Paxton, so.
Kyle
00:39:09So aberrant.
Kyle
00:39:10So, like, just boisterous.
Kyle
00:39:12Like, if you're going to do that shit, like, I will need a little more because my least.
Seth
00:39:16Make sure you know the reason why you're doing this.
Seth
00:39:19Go the full Johnny Depp and write 50 pages about what your character had for breakfast that day.
Mariana
00:39:24There we go.
Seth
00:39:25Like, if.
Seth
00:39:25If.
Seth
00:39:26If you don't believe it, I'm not going to believe it.
Kyle
00:39:28Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:28It's like the actors were asking.
Kyle
00:39:30Joel Schumacher is like, what should I do here?
Kyle
00:39:31You're a dick.
Kyle
00:39:32Like, okay.
Kyle
00:39:32And he's like, all right, I'm gonna be a dick.
Kyle
00:39:33It's like, what about me?
Kyle
00:39:34He's like, you're a racist Nazi.
Kyle
00:39:35Okay, here we go.
Seth
00:39:36You know what?
Seth
00:39:37You've convinced me.
Seth
00:39:38I'm.
Seth
00:39:38I'm a 4.9 now.
Seth
00:39:39It's falling down.
Kyle
00:39:40Because what happens is you get caricatures.
Kyle
00:39:42Yeah, you don't get caricatures.
Kyle
00:39:44You get caricatures of an idea.
Kyle
00:39:46And so I'm a dickhead captain.
Kyle
00:39:48I'm a boisterous, low level detective.
Kyle
00:39:50You know, and then you just.
Kyle
00:39:51You just get a bunch of.
Kyle
00:39:52You know.
Seth
00:39:52Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:53I just think considering the great performances we get from Duvall and Douglas, the rest kind of pales.
Seth
00:39:59Yeah, yeah, you've.
Seth
00:40:00You've convinced me.
Seth
00:40:01And falling down now.
Mariana
00:40:03Way too much dialogue.
Mariana
00:40:04We'll say that.
Kyle
00:40:05Yeah.
Mariana
00:40:06Juxtaposition for the drive.
Mariana
00:40:07Like, so much dialogue that could have been cut out.
Mariana
00:40:10Like, entire characters.
Kyle
00:40:11Could have been too much exposition.
Seth
00:40:12Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:40:14That just watched.
Mariana
00:40:15I would have watched him just walking around more.
Seth
00:40:17I don't know.
Seth
00:40:18Because that.
Kyle
00:40:19In writing, if you guys want.
Seth
00:40:20Yeah, I'm going to hold off on that.
Kyle
00:40:21Hold off.
Kyle
00:40:22We'll get to that.
Kyle
00:40:22And right now, hold on to that.
Kyle
00:40:23I want to hear that thought.
Kyle
00:40:24I just want to make sure it's in the right category here.
Kyle
00:40:25It's the next category.
Seth
00:40:26Oh, there we go.
Kyle
00:40:27Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:28But, yeah, it's one to one here.
Kyle
00:40:30Wow.
Kyle
00:40:30Oh, no.
Kyle
00:40:30Oh, no.
Kyle
00:40:31We're falling down.
Kyle
00:40:32Maybe.
Kyle
00:40:32Or maybe we're getting a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:40:34Writing.
Kyle
00:40:35So the person that wrote it that I talked about earlier with the strike and was Ebby Rose Smith.
Kyle
00:40:41Okay.
Kyle
00:40:41And he was actually.
Kyle
00:40:42He's an actor in the Boys that show that people like.
Kyle
00:40:44Oh, nice prime, which I don't care about, but it's all right.
Kyle
00:40:47Seem to like it.
Seth
00:40:48Yeah.
Seth
00:40:48You go first on this because you have opinions.
Kyle
00:40:50Go ahead.
Mariana
00:40:50Well, I just.
Mariana
00:40:51I feel like there's.
Mariana
00:40:52I didn't really care about the sporting cast and I felt like there was a lot of exposition that just didn't matter.
Mariana
00:40:58And especially with the cop characters.
Mariana
00:41:00Like, he could have just shown the female cop and that could have been the only other cop, honestly.
Mariana
00:41:05And they could have shown no other cops because they were all clearly extras.
Kyle
00:41:09Yeah.
Mariana
00:41:10That were.
Mariana
00:41:10Just had some lines and I.
Mariana
00:41:12And I also feel like they didn't.
Mariana
00:41:15They, like, overplayed so much that it was like.
Mariana
00:41:19It feels like you're trying to fit in a lot of emotion in this one sentence.
Seth
00:41:23Yeah.
Mariana
00:41:23And I don't believe you.
Mariana
00:41:25So why was this.
Mariana
00:41:27Why did this even happen?
Mariana
00:41:28It also kind of felt like an editing problem too.
Kyle
00:41:30Yeah.
Kyle
00:41:31Yeah, fair.
Mariana
00:41:32So falling down.
Seth
00:41:33So for me, I am actually gonna go with a whammy burger here because this is one of those movies that I feel like the point of the extra dialogue was to distract you.
Seth
00:41:46And I think he did that very well, I think, because everyone is saying, you know, he's got all these massive monologues that Michael Douglas gives, and then you have everyone else kind of interjecting all of their thoughts through whatever Robert Duvall is doing.
Seth
00:42:00Like, I feel like that was kind of the point was to distract you from what was truly going on until that last moment wrap up.
Seth
00:42:08So for me, I actually think there was a.
Seth
00:42:10There was a purpose to.
Seth
00:42:12Because I think we're going to review this one later.
Seth
00:42:17But there's a movie I watched called Sometimes I Feel about or Think About Dying.
Seth
00:42:21And my biggest problem with that is the dialogue that was there because there's barely any actual written dialogue.
Seth
00:42:29The dialogue that was there was just background characters talking about dumb office stuff and none of it actually fed the plot in any way, shape or form.
Seth
00:42:39In this one, while there was a lot of dialogue, I feel like every line that was there was put there for a reason.
Seth
00:42:47And for me, that reason was to kind of distract from the big reveal that was Going to happen at the end.
Seth
00:42:53So for me, it's.
Seth
00:42:54It's a whammy burger.
Mariana
00:42:55Yeah, good point.
Mariana
00:42:56He did build a lot of tension in those moments.
Seth
00:42:59Yeah.
Mariana
00:42:59Very good point.
Kyle
00:43:00Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:00Are you converting?
Kyle
00:43:01We have conversions sometimes on here.
Kyle
00:43:02You don't have to.
Kyle
00:43:03No pressure.
Mariana
00:43:03It's a good point.
Mariana
00:43:04And I do feel like it builds attention really well.
Mariana
00:43:06And when you started saying it, I was like, you know what?
Mariana
00:43:08I kind of agree.
Kyle
00:43:10But then lighter crew opens his mouth.
Seth
00:43:12Yeah.
Mariana
00:43:12Yeah.
Seth
00:43:13Again, I think that's an acting problem, though.
Seth
00:43:15That's less of a writing problem.
Mariana
00:43:16That's a good point.
Mariana
00:43:17That wasn't the writing.
Mariana
00:43:18I feel like he just overreacted it a lot.
Mariana
00:43:21I might just be a half wham with three people.
Kyle
00:43:25We only go all in.
Kyle
00:43:26What do you.
Mariana
00:43:27Oh, no.
Kyle
00:43:27Okay.
Kyle
00:43:27We only go all in.
Mariana
00:43:28I'm gonna stick with falling down.
Seth
00:43:30All right.
Kyle
00:43:30I like it because I'm six your guns.
Kyle
00:43:32I'm going there, too.
Kyle
00:43:33And I just wish this was a little more even, you know, not to my.
Kyle
00:43:38My favorite director directors are the Coen brothers.
Seth
00:43:41Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:41And I.
Kyle
00:43:43They're kind of the benchmark for me with.
Kyle
00:43:45With side characters and with writing them like there are.
Kyle
00:43:49They have characters that are in movies for a minute that are more memorable than so many side characters.
Mariana
00:43:54Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:54I'm not saying I expected jolt.
Kyle
00:43:56Just that's not who Schumacher is.
Seth
00:43:57Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:58But I've seen him do this better.
Kyle
00:43:59Like, Lost Boys is one of my top 50 films.
Kyle
00:44:01I love how he writes the mother and the boyfriend that ends up being a vampire.
Kyle
00:44:05Like, I love how he writes side characters.
Kyle
00:44:07But here I just feel like I do think the Nazi was written pretty well.
Seth
00:44:11Yeah.
Kyle
00:44:11But then, like, I get to lie to her, and, like, I know that's acting, but it's also just the stuff that they're being told to say is all characterization.
Kyle
00:44:19I just.
Kyle
00:44:19It distracted.
Kyle
00:44:20You talked about distraction.
Kyle
00:44:21I was distracted from how great Douglas and Duvall were because I'm just not liking what's being said.
Kyle
00:44:26I'm just like.
Kyle
00:44:27I just.
Kyle
00:44:27So I went falling down, too.
Seth
00:44:29So all fair opinions.
Kyle
00:44:30It's all fair.
Seth
00:44:33So what are we at?
Seth
00:44:332 1.
Kyle
00:44:34We are at.
Kyle
00:44:35Yep.
Kyle
00:44:35We are at 2 or 1 to 2.
Kyle
00:44:36Yeah.
Kyle
00:44:37So we have two falling down, one whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:40I love saying whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:41Isn't it fun?
Mariana
00:44:41Good one.
Mariana
00:44:42Yeah.
Mariana
00:44:42They should make a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:43It's my new serenity now.
Kyle
00:44:45Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:46All right.
Kyle
00:44:47Directing Joel Schumacher and I want to put out a couple of Lost boys.
Kyle
00:44:50Batman and Robin, Batman forever.
Kyle
00:44:52Tiger Land with Colin Farrell, which was kind of a crazy, crazy, independent looking, via Vietnam film.
Kyle
00:44:59Very unsettling.
Kyle
00:44:59And then room 23, which was kind of.
Kyle
00:45:01Well, did that after Eternal Sunshine.
Mariana
00:45:04Oh, the number 23 was after.
Seth
00:45:05No, no, no, no.
Seth
00:45:06Okay.
Kyle
00:45:06I'm just talking about it was after.
Mariana
00:45:08Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:08Because room 23, to me, like, I, I, I saw that before I saw Sunshine and I was like, damn, Jim Carrey can straight up act.
Seth
00:45:14Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:15So, yeah.
Seth
00:45:16And then let's not forget Phantom of the Opera.
Kyle
00:45:17Phantom of the Opera, Yeah.
Seth
00:45:19I think that's important in his filmography.
Kyle
00:45:20Yeah.
Seth
00:45:21I'm, I'm going whammy burger on him, I think.
Seth
00:45:24I, like you said, he builds a lot of tension.
Seth
00:45:29Again, there's only one or two, maybe three characters I feel like were overacting.
Seth
00:45:34And you know what I say, When a couple of actors are overacting, it's the actor's fault.
Seth
00:45:38When everyone's overacting, it's the director's fault.
Seth
00:45:42I genuinely think the script he was given, he did everything good that he could with it.
Seth
00:45:46And especially when it comes down to the two men carrying that entire film on their backs.
Seth
00:45:51I think both of them were directed properly and he got them to the place where you felt for them in such deep ways.
Seth
00:46:01So it's definitely whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:46:03I love that, Mariana.
Mariana
00:46:04Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:46:06I love Joel Schumacher and he, I told them earlier, but he's from my alma mater, Parsons School of Design.
Mariana
00:46:13He was a fashion design major.
Seth
00:46:15That makes sense, actually.
Mariana
00:46:16It really does.
Mariana
00:46:17I love that he ended up being a director.
Mariana
00:46:20I didn't realize that.
Mariana
00:46:21And the number 23 is one of my favorite movies.
Mariana
00:46:23Movies with Jim Carrey.
Mariana
00:46:25I love when comedians go into dark.
Seth
00:46:28Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:29Crazy movies.
Seth
00:46:30Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:30Because I feel like they can bring so much more depth to it that regular people don't have.
Seth
00:46:35Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:46:35That's why Jason Bateman is so good in Ozark.
Mariana
00:46:37Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:46:38And this is why everything he produces is good too, because he just is there and it adds depth.
Seth
00:46:43Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:44Adam Sandler and Uncut Gems.
Kyle
00:46:45Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:46Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:46:47Adam Sandler is another great.
Mariana
00:46:49Just Funny people.
Seth
00:46:50Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:50That's a great dark movie.
Mariana
00:46:52But, yeah, I loved, I loved this movie so much.
Mariana
00:46:55And I feel like it was mainly because he kind of kept the vision together.
Seth
00:46:59Yeah.
Mariana
00:47:00Even if the supporting characters weren't necessarily 100, it still didn't really affect the movie quality.
Mariana
00:47:07So Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:47:08Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:09I almost, you know, I can't say it better than you did.
Kyle
00:47:11You basically said what I want to say.
Kyle
00:47:12Which is like I even know there was some distractions with some bad acting and some bad writing.
Kyle
00:47:16Overall, this is a very impactful movie.
Seth
00:47:18Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:18And it carries more weight today than it did when I watched it it years ago.
Seth
00:47:21Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:22Very weighty and the message was clearly delivered in it and it kind of like shook me at my core.
Seth
00:47:26Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:27So yeah, there are moments, but luckily the, the final showdown, the way the tension increases over the course of the film, like it was enough to overcome all that.
Kyle
00:47:36So the directing.
Kyle
00:47:37Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:37A total whammy burger.
Kyle
00:47:38So two to two, here we go.
Kyle
00:47:40Oh my gosh.
Kyle
00:47:41Are we going to come down to the wire or is breakfast going to be closed?
Kyle
00:47:47Yeah.
Seth
00:47:48Is it 1033?
Kyle
00:47:49Is it 10?
Kyle
00:47:51Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:51All right, what's in front of us that remember cinematography, production design, sound, costumes.
Seth
00:47:57Yeah.
Seth
00:47:57Like I said, that movie made me feel hot and sweaty just because of how hot and sweaty the movie was.
Seth
00:48:04I, I, yeah, everything visual, even, even down to the sound design.
Seth
00:48:09Like I think every part of it was very well thought out.
Seth
00:48:12Nothing felt like they were just getting coverage, which is something you'll see a lot in TV versus films.
Seth
00:48:18But I can tell when there's a poorly made film, when every shot isn't thought out, when it's just, well, we need to get wide, we need to get mediums that cover everybody and we need to get close ups that cover everybody.
Seth
00:48:31You can tell that versus this particular line of dialogue is going to be set in a wide shot because we need to feel like this characters alone.
Seth
00:48:39But this one's going to be a very intense close up because we really need to feel the emotion.
Seth
00:48:43I felt like every time something was on screen, it was very purposeful.
Seth
00:48:49So it's a whammy burger for me.
Mariana
00:48:50Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:48:51I would say whammy burger also.
Mariana
00:48:54I just, I don't know.
Mariana
00:48:56It's just rare that there's a movie that is like.
Mariana
00:48:59Especially when it's not beautiful.
Seth
00:49:01Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:02There's nothing in it that is beautiful.
Seth
00:49:04It's disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:05It's disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:06It's gross.
Mariana
00:49:07It looks like my childhood.
Mariana
00:49:09Like it is just there's nothing nice.
Mariana
00:49:12It's like the opposite of drive.
Seth
00:49:14Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:14He makes it look just gross and disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:17And at the same time I'm just like, I've never felt more in line with the character.
Mariana
00:49:22I keep saying it, but I'm just like at the end of the movie I'm just like, I am this guy.
Seth
00:49:27I am the bad guy.
Mariana
00:49:28I know, I know.
Mariana
00:49:29And it makes you feel like I'm like, maybe I Am the bad guy.
Mariana
00:49:31Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:34But at least I have that voice in my head still.
Seth
00:49:36Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:37But, yeah, just overall, I think it was just really strong and it just, you know, it just keeps you there the whole time.
Mariana
00:49:42You.
Mariana
00:49:43I have trouble paying attention to a movie a whole, the whole time.
Mariana
00:49:47And I was just in trance.
Mariana
00:49:49In a trance watching it.
Seth
00:49:50So.
Seth
00:49:50Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:51Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:49:51Love that.
Kyle
00:49:52Isn't it fun to say whammy?
Mariana
00:49:53It's so fun to say.
Mariana
00:49:54I mean, that's probably why I'm rating everything.
Kyle
00:49:57Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:57Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:58I hated it, but I'm still going Whammy burger.
Seth
00:50:00I know.
Kyle
00:50:01No, I agree.
Kyle
00:50:02I, I, and we.
Kyle
00:50:03I have a category just about la, just because, you know, LA is such a prominent place for the setting.
Kyle
00:50:10And I love it when movies deviate and do something else.
Kyle
00:50:13But you could watch 10 different movies in LA.
Kyle
00:50:16Like Take Drive, for example, and Heat.
Seth
00:50:18Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:19And you could come away with 10 different interpretations of what LA is if you're, if you're not basing it on reality but on the movies themselves.
Seth
00:50:24Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:25And this, obviously, it paints, I would say, a realistic but a pretty exaggerated version of la.
Seth
00:50:31Oh, very.
Kyle
00:50:32But I do love it because it's, it's almost.
Kyle
00:50:36This is a bit of a stretch, but it's Mad Max trudging through the wasteland almost.
Kyle
00:50:40And he's.
Kyle
00:50:41I love that he's traversing on foot this world.
Kyle
00:50:44He doesn't drive.
Seth
00:50:45Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:46He's on foot.
Kyle
00:50:46He's got weapons.
Kyle
00:50:48He's, you know, he's got a bazooka at one point.
Kyle
00:50:50I mean, he's just walking through the wasteland and you.
Seth
00:50:53Bazooka scene with.
Seth
00:50:55So good.
Kyle
00:50:55It's so out of this world.
Mariana
00:50:56Amazing.
Seth
00:50:57It's so out of fact that the kid just walks up, he's like, no, you do this.
Kyle
00:51:01And that's where the Douglas tongue in cheek shit really paid off for this movie.
Kyle
00:51:04Oh, we're making a movie.
Seth
00:51:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:05What's it called?
Kyle
00:51:07I love it.
Kyle
00:51:08And I think, I think it's, like, allegorical almost.
Kyle
00:51:11It's almost like he's walking through, you know, the Rings of Hell, you know, and.
Seth
00:51:16Very Pilgrim's Progressy.
Kyle
00:51:17Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:51:18It's, you know, it's the Divine Comedy, almost.
Kyle
00:51:21And, and I love that.
Kyle
00:51:23And so I think we're being presented with a very interesting visual and of him, like, almost traversing uphill, you know, towards his destiny, which is a bad destiny.
Kyle
00:51:30But I love everything we're being shown.
Kyle
00:51:32I think that the, the idea of seeing him in the white shirt and the buzz cut, you almost Immediately know who he is just by seeing him.
Kyle
00:51:39Yeah, you see him for five seconds.
Kyle
00:51:40Like, I know who that guy is.
Seth
00:51:41Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:41Smart nerd.
Kyle
00:51:42Maybe disgruntled, sweaty, little hair shorter.
Kyle
00:51:45Little, little, little short for the hair.
Kyle
00:51:47But no, I, I love it.
Kyle
00:51:48I, I think sometimes a small choice can speak so much.
Kyle
00:51:52And to me that the, the aesthetic of the costumes and the way people are dressed, it just speaks instantly.
Kyle
00:51:58So I feel like I'm there at, I'm saturated by it.
Kyle
00:52:00I love it.
Kyle
00:52:00So I give it a huge whammy burger.
Seth
00:52:02Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:02Three to two.
Kyle
00:52:03We got three whammies and we got two falling down.
Kyle
00:52:06Where are we going to end up?
Kyle
00:52:08Could end up in a tie.
Kyle
00:52:09I love it when that happens.
Kyle
00:52:11Love it.
Kyle
00:52:11You're over there, like, does that happen?
Kyle
00:52:14Am I supposed to care?
Mariana
00:52:14What happened?
Kyle
00:52:15What, what happened?
Kyle
00:52:16We get in a tie, man.
Mariana
00:52:18Does the guest host get, get killed.
Kyle
00:52:20When there's a tie?
Kyle
00:52:22We, we feed the guest host to Harrison.
Seth
00:52:23Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:52:25One teaspoon at a time though.
Kyle
00:52:26So it's going to be a while.
Mariana
00:52:28So Harrison's a cat if y'all don't.
Kyle
00:52:31Harrison's the source of light over here.
Kyle
00:52:33The random.
Kyle
00:52:34All right, this is, I call this category the LA Times.
Seth
00:52:37Okay.
Kyle
00:52:38Because like I said, we have been presented.
Kyle
00:52:40We just reviewed a movie about LA and drive that was like driving around sexy neon la.
Kyle
00:52:46Cool.
Kyle
00:52:47What do you think about this interpretation?
Kyle
00:52:49And think of it this way too.
Kyle
00:52:50How does it hold up in of 2024 LA?
Seth
00:52:52Like so last time I was in LA was 2022 and it was utterly disgusting.
Seth
00:52:59I, I, I like to tell this story because I, I finally understood why so many people in LA are socialists.
Seth
00:53:06Because I was walking to the Comedy Store and I was going up the main road that goes to Sunset Boulevard and I'm passing by this wildly expensive steakhouse.
Seth
00:53:17Three people, dudes probably got a 3,000, $4,000 suit on.
Seth
00:53:21These two girls are in like almost like ball gown kind of dresses, getting out of a Tesla Roadster.
Seth
00:53:28And they're walking into the steakhouse as a homeless man is pushing an entire gigantic cart just full of shit.
Seth
00:53:35And they're all covering their faces, trying to not look at him as they're walking to the steakhouse.
Seth
00:53:40And it's like when you live in a city that has that wild, like literally the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor all right next to each other.
Seth
00:53:49I can see how some people would have these kind of extreme looking ideologies.
Seth
00:53:55And for me, I feel like this movie really plays on this not necessarily the rich and poor, but, like the extreme good versus the extreme bad that thinks he's doing good.
Seth
00:54:05And.
Seth
00:54:05And also just the kind of gritty, gross nature of LA that at least I experienced two years ago.
Seth
00:54:11So for me, it's a whammy burger.
Seth
00:54:13Because the entire time I was watching this movie, even though it was made in the early 90s, I still was like, this is what it feels like today.
Seth
00:54:21Like, it's.
Seth
00:54:22They nailed it.
Seth
00:54:23So, yeah, yeah, it's a whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:54:25I love that.
Mariana
00:54:26Nice.
Mariana
00:54:27I.
Mariana
00:54:27I've never been to LA, but I lived in New York City for 10 years, so I feel like they're pretty comparable in the fact that they're both disgusting.
Seth
00:54:35Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:36Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:37And I'm smelling New York just hearing you talking about it.
Mariana
00:54:40Yeah, I know.
Mariana
00:54:41And then you do have that, like, wealth disparity where you're just like.
Mariana
00:54:44It just feels insane to a point where you're just like, wait a minute, I work 20 hours a day and I'm never going to have what.
Mariana
00:54:52Like, this woman has.
Mariana
00:54:54Like, she's never worked a day in her life and she lives here.
Seth
00:54:57Yeah.
Mariana
00:54:58And this is.
Mariana
00:54:59Makes sense because she was born into this family.
Mariana
00:55:02And then you just get to this place where you're like, oh, yeah, everything's predetermined to an extent.
Mariana
00:55:08You can change a lot, but.
Mariana
00:55:09And you can work hard, but it doesn't necessarily pay off.
Mariana
00:55:12Which is kind of what this movie is about, or not about, but, you know, it's.
Mariana
00:55:16It's a theme.
Seth
00:55:17Yeah, definitely.
Mariana
00:55:18But I just.
Mariana
00:55:19I don't know.
Mariana
00:55:19My favorite part of the whole movie is the bazooka scene with the kid.
Seth
00:55:23Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:24And.
Mariana
00:55:25But it's because, like, when he's like, why are you tearing up the road?
Mariana
00:55:28And then you read more about the movie and it's like, yeah, they were just fulfilling a budget or something.
Mariana
00:55:33A lot of the time when they do this, like, road work.
Seth
00:55:35Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:35And you are just like, so you interrupted my life for a year or two years, my commute to work.
Mariana
00:55:41You interrupted it to do nothing, to fill a budget.
Seth
00:55:44Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:45And then you just.
Seth
00:55:46To make sure you didn't have a surplus.
Seth
00:55:47Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:47So you feel like a lemming.
Mariana
00:55:49And I just.
Mariana
00:55:50I don't know what the question was anymore, but representation of la.
Kyle
00:55:55Do you dig the representation of LA and how.
Kyle
00:55:57And you know, especially considering today, like, the difference between 1993 and 2024, it feels pretty accurate.
Seth
00:56:03Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:04But at the same time, that's from somebody who's never been to la.
Mariana
00:56:07Yeah, I've just been in these, like, concentrated cities.
Mariana
00:56:10Plenty.
Mariana
00:56:10And again, living in New York for 10 years and almost never leaving for 10 years, like, you do feel like a rat on a sinking ship.
Mariana
00:56:17And I think I feel that from him.
Seth
00:56:20Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:20When he's there, I feel the, like, desperate, quiet.
Mariana
00:56:23Living a life of quiet desperation.
Seth
00:56:24Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:25Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:26So whammy bird.
Kyle
00:56:27Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:56:28I love it.
Kyle
00:56:29Yeah, I agree.
Kyle
00:56:29And there's some research that, you know, in the commentary, they talk about when the.
Kyle
00:56:33When they were writing the screenplay, LA had become this capital of now.
Kyle
00:56:37We now think of it as this.
Kyle
00:56:39This melting pot, this very diverse city.
Kyle
00:56:41And it was always kind of diverse, but there was a time period where in the early 90s, when legislation had changed about immigration.
Kyle
00:56:48And all of a sudden, Los Angeles.
Kyle
00:56:49Los Angeles become the capital of immigration.
Kyle
00:56:52Like, and folks like, like folks from India, you know, all over Asia, Mexico, like, it.
Kyle
00:56:58This legislation had.
Kyle
00:56:59It became the place where people flocked.
Seth
00:57:01Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:02And so.
Kyle
00:57:02But it also created kind of a cultural crisis.
Seth
00:57:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:05In the city.
Kyle
00:57:06And it's hard to think of it now because LA is just known for that.
Seth
00:57:08Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:09But then, like, it was.
Kyle
00:57:10It was a culture shock.
Kyle
00:57:11And so they actually represent on the nose what was happening in the city, which was this massive change as a city that was becoming a melting pot of all kind of not just immigration, but cultures.
Seth
00:57:21Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:21Different cultures coming in.
Kyle
00:57:22And so it really does.
Kyle
00:57:25It does that really well, I think.
Kyle
00:57:27And I, like you said, I'm sweating the whole time.
Kyle
00:57:29I'm just watching.
Kyle
00:57:30I'm like, I'm sweaty.
Kyle
00:57:31I want to change my shirt.
Seth
00:57:32Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:32Like, dude, I actually feel like I was perspiring watching it.
Kyle
00:57:35Literally, I'm just like.
Seth
00:57:36You feel gross just halfway through the movie.
Seth
00:57:39Not because of anything that happens, just because of how everything is portrayed.
Kyle
00:57:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:57:44I get really uneasy when I go to la because I don't go that often, but when I do go, it's typically for business or something.
Kyle
00:57:48But when I go, I.
Kyle
00:57:51I have the feeling maybe because I've watched so many movies.
Kyle
00:57:54Maybe not.
Kyle
00:57:55I don't know, but I'm just like, I could get.
Kyle
00:57:56I could really get in some trouble here if I wanted to.
Kyle
00:57:58You know, it's just like everything's here.
Seth
00:58:00Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:01Good and bad, you know, and which.
Kyle
00:58:03But it's also like a.
Kyle
00:58:04Choose your own reality.
Seth
00:58:05Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:06You.
Kyle
00:58:06You for sure.
Kyle
00:58:07You know, it's just like.
Kyle
00:58:08I know, and I hate to say this, I hope these people don't listen to the podcast, but I just know a lot of people that go there.
Kyle
00:58:13And I know that they can barely afford to eat, but on social media, they are crushing it.
Seth
00:58:19Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:19Like, they are.
Kyle
00:58:20They were an extra in a commercial.
Kyle
00:58:22I'm like, you couldn't pay for ramen.
Seth
00:58:23Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:24I'm just like.
Kyle
00:58:24And I'm proud of them for trying.
Kyle
00:58:25It's not that.
Kyle
00:58:26But I'm just like.
Kyle
00:58:27It's a Choose your own reality.
Kyle
00:58:28But this guy, this character is reality.
Seth
00:58:31Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:32And he's marching through this wasteland.
Kyle
00:58:34And for that reason, I love the LA setting here because it does feel very real, very true to the history of the city.
Kyle
00:58:40But also he's this weird, idyllic figure kind of marching through this changing wasteland.
Kyle
00:58:46It's crazy.
Kyle
00:58:46I love it.
Kyle
00:58:47So anyway, L.A.
Kyle
00:58:48times, I give it a huge whammy burger.
Seth
00:58:49Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:50So it is.
Kyle
00:58:51What is that?
Seth
00:58:52Four to two.
Kyle
00:58:52Four to two.
Kyle
00:58:53And it's.
Kyle
00:58:54There's nothing.
Kyle
00:58:55Nothing can be done here.
Kyle
00:58:56This is an interesting category.
Kyle
00:58:57It's actually been done in other ones, but we did it in American Cycle because we found out it was being remade.
Kyle
00:59:02But I was asking myself the question, watching this, could it be remade today?
Kyle
00:59:06And the answering is a little reverse psychology.
Kyle
00:59:08If you think yes, that's actually a no, because you don't think the film accomplished what it could.
Kyle
00:59:12What it meant to accomplish.
Kyle
00:59:13But.
Kyle
00:59:13But, you know, does this.
Kyle
00:59:15Could this story be retold?
Kyle
00:59:16Does it need to be retold in a modern context?
Kyle
00:59:18Or is.
Kyle
00:59:18Or is this kind of a time capsule?
Seth
00:59:20I think this captures.
Seth
00:59:23I think it transcends time.
Kyle
00:59:25Yeah.
Seth
00:59:25I don't think it needs to be remade.
Seth
00:59:27I don't think it should be remade.
Seth
00:59:29So I guess I'm giving it a whammy burger because I feel like it.
Seth
00:59:35Even though you can tell when it was made just because of the clothes people are wearing and what's going on, it still somehow feels outside of time.
Seth
00:59:49It still represents a lot of people today.
Seth
00:59:52So, yeah, I don't think it should ever be remade.
Seth
00:59:54I think it should stay as a perfect time capsule that also transcends time.
Kyle
01:00:00I love that.
Kyle
01:00:01Well said.
Mariana
01:00:01Yeah, well said.
Mariana
01:00:06I hate remakes.
Mariana
01:00:07I don't ever want anything to be remade.
Mariana
01:00:09I would way rather watch the original than I would ever want to watch a remake.
Mariana
01:00:13I do think it would be interesting to make an entire TV show that was on the same concept that was set today, but maybe a different kind of character.
Seth
01:00:22Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:24Like their life just keeps devolving and devolving and devolving.
Mariana
01:00:27It would have to be one season.
Mariana
01:00:29It'd be a miniseries.
Seth
01:00:30Yeah.
Seth
01:00:31Like a solid five episodes.
Mariana
01:00:32Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:33It just.
Mariana
01:00:33It feels.
Mariana
01:00:35It feels like they did it perfectly.
Seth
01:00:37Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:38But at the same time, I kind of sometimes hate watching old movies.
Mariana
01:00:41Because they're ugly.
Kyle
01:00:42Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:43And they're aesthetically ugly.
Mariana
01:00:44And I think that's why a lot of people don't go back and watch old movies now.
Mariana
01:00:48Not to mention they're not as available.
Mariana
01:00:50Especially a movie like this where it's not like the Avengers, you know, or something like that.
Mariana
01:00:55So I don't think you can remake it, and there's no reason to.
Mariana
01:00:58But I love the concept, and I would love to see something not based on it, but I would love to see another version of the same person.
Seth
01:01:06Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:06Because I just feel like this guy represents everybody.
Seth
01:01:09Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:09Or not everybody.
Mariana
01:01:10Clearly, he doesn't represent the 1%, but he represents everybody else.
Seth
01:01:14He definitely represents the every man.
Mariana
01:01:16Yeah, totally.
Mariana
01:01:17He's the 99.
Seth
01:01:18Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:19And I just.
Mariana
01:01:19Man.
Kyle
01:01:20Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:21Whammy burger.
Kyle
01:01:22Whammy burger.
Kyle
01:01:23That's both of y'all.
Kyle
01:01:24Well said.
Kyle
01:01:24A couple poets over here.
Kyle
01:01:26Yeah, I.
Kyle
01:01:27I kept thinking about this movie, like, and it's a really hard thought to nail down because on one hand, we.
Kyle
01:01:32We're.
Kyle
01:01:32We're numb to violence now.
Seth
01:01:33Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:34I think we see.
Kyle
01:01:34You know, my God, we.
Kyle
01:01:36You can get on Twitter and see acts of war.
Seth
01:01:38Yeah.
Seth
01:01:39Literally.
Kyle
01:01:39Twitter, you know, you can see.
Mariana
01:01:40You can watch wars.
Seth
01:01:41Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:41Yes.
Kyle
01:01:42You can watch people getting run over by cars on Twitter.
Kyle
01:01:44It's just like we live in a time where violence is so.
Kyle
01:01:47Is so mainlined.
Kyle
01:01:49But still, I am shocked when.
Kyle
01:01:51When you read about someone who acts.
Kyle
01:01:53Who actually acts on those instincts.
Kyle
01:01:54And that's why this movie is so shocking, you know, and this is during a time when.
Kyle
01:01:59When information wasn't flowing as freely.
Kyle
01:02:00It's still very heavily.
Kyle
01:02:01I mean, this movie is based on newspaper.
Kyle
01:02:03You know, it's like, yeah, this is newspaper prime.
Seth
01:02:06Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:06So it's like.
Kyle
01:02:07It's even more shocking.
Kyle
01:02:09So I like the idea of this being against.
Kyle
01:02:11You know, could they tell the story today in time where we are just so not shocked?
Seth
01:02:16Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:16You know, and this is shocking considering the time.
Kyle
01:02:18So.
Kyle
01:02:19Yeah, I definitely think it's.
Kyle
01:02:20It's relegated to the time it was made.
Kyle
01:02:21I think it's timeless and I.
Kyle
01:02:22But I still think it speaks into today 100%, and I think it's got a really important message for today.
Seth
01:02:27Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:28That gets lost in the numbness we have to the violence we see all around us.
Seth
01:02:32Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:33Hell, yeah.
Kyle
01:02:34This was a whammy burger.
Kyle
01:02:35Woo.
Kyle
01:02:35Falling down was a whammy burger.
Kyle
01:02:37I'm so.
Kyle
01:02:37Thank you for going on this journey with me.
Kyle
01:02:39I've wanted to talk about this movie for a while.
Seth
01:02:40Yeah, no, this was a great one to add to the collection.
Kyle
01:02:43Yes.
Kyle
01:02:43It's so good.
Mariana
01:02:44Highly recommend.
Seth
01:02:45Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:46Absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:47This was a whammy burger for us, which is good.
Kyle
01:02:48Positive.
Kyle
01:02:49Loved it.
Kyle
01:02:49Affirmative.
Kyle
01:02:50That was fun.
Kyle
01:02:51Thanks for hanging out with me again.
Kyle
01:02:52We keep ending up in this room with microphones and we talk about movies.
Kyle
01:02:55It's amazing.
Mariana
01:02:56How'd this even get here?
Kyle
01:02:58Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:59Thank you for hanging out with us.
Kyle
01:03:00I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:03:01I'm Seth.
Mariana
01:03:01I'm Mariana.
Kyle
01:03:02Love y'all.
Seth
01:03:05Movie Wars.
