Margaret Josephs on The End of Real Housewives New Jersey

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Heather MacDonald.
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Juicy Scoop.
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Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a great
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interview today that I did that you are going to
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die at all the juice that was dropped. But first,
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let me just get into some hot topics that we've
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been doing on the show and some updates. First of all,
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the earthquake. So last time I was here, we had
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an earthquake. And you know, I've talked about that I'm
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a native Angeleno. And I have been through many of
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an earthquakes. I believe I have an ability much like
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a dog that feels it before other people. And so
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when that happened, we got the clip. We put it
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out there and CNN picked it up. They showed a
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couple other people in L.A. that happened to be filming.
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The other ones were actual like TV shows. So thank you, CNN,
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for appreciating it. And they did say, as I was
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the third one that they featured out of the three,
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they said one woman had much more of a panicked reaction,
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and that was me, comedian Heather MacDonald. And so in
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posting it under CNN and Daily News that shared the video,
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some of those great fans that love me from my
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other viral video of when I faded at the Tempe Improv,
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they were commenting, you know, is this the lady that
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got the jab? Is this the one that mocked God?
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And I realized that right before the earthquake happened, I
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was talking about having better relationships with your mother-in-laws. And
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I said, that's why I think those requirements that certain
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churches ask you to do before you get married. And
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that's when the earth started shaking. So once again, yes,
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I believe Jesus loves me and he believes in giving
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me as many viral videos as possible. So thank you.
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Stay safe, America. Let's talk about all the flubs that
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I do in my show. A lot of people are like,
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is this even real?
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Yeah.
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I talked about Snoop performing with Dr. Dre. But in
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my head, I saw DRU and I was thinking Drew
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and I was thinking Dr. Drew, my friend, the world
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famous doctor therapist. And so Michelle, AGC Scooper, made this
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photo for me of Dr. Drew performing who is a singer,
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possibly rapping with Snoop at the Olympics. So let's make
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that happen. Also, people asked about my book. Yes, You'll
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Never Blue Ball in This Town Again is about my
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dating adventures as an old virgin. And you can still
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buy it. So check it out. It's been around a
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long time. I'd love to see it be made as
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a movie or a TV show. So it's there. Let's
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put it on the vision board. Okay. Update on poor
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Jordan Childs, which again, I mispronounced her last name. They said, Heather,
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did you not watch any of the Olympics?
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You know what?
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I'm going to be honest with you guys. I kind
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of didn't. I was traveling. I wasn't home for when
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the gymnastics was happening live and I wasn't watching it
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live on my phone. And I would see the updates.
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And so, yeah, I mispronounced her name, but it's Jordan Childs,
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rhymes with Biles. Thank you. Well, she doesn't have her
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bronze back, but thank goodness America is fighting to get
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it back to her. And they discovered that the Romanian
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person on the panel that said they believe that they
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were a couple seconds off in saying, wait a minute,
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we have some complaint and then they did it and
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then they re-evaluated Jordan and then she got the medal,
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they're saying, no, you were too late on that. And
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they're saying that person that is advocating that it was
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too late in which the medal then went to the
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Romanian person, this panel member who ruled that is saying
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that has a history of representing Romania in legal cases.
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So now they think this panel person Might be Team Romania,
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which took the medal from USA Jordan Child. So I
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wish they could just make two medals. This is so sad. Okay.
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Simone Biles, biological mother who struggled with an alcohol addiction.
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Her grandparents raised she and her sister. That woman is
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a cashier. Her name is Shannon. She has reached out.
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She has talked to Simone's sister. But she said, I'm
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just waiting for Simone to respond. And I'm so proud
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of her and I'd love to have her be part
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of my life. I'm not the woman I was then.
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And I really hope that this could happen because these grandparents,
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maybe these grandparents are on the father's side.
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I don't know.
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But I'm thinking if it was the grandparents and Shannon
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was their daughter, that they would want that to all
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come together. But, you know, when people are adults and
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they don't want to have any association with a former
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family member, that's their right too. So kind of sad
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but I think she's handling herself in a really classy
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way being that her daughter is the most decorated Olympian
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ever and she's not being obnoxious about it so I
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wish her well and her sobriety and maybe they can
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get together now with more of the hit movie made
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50 million last weekend it ends with us based on
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the book Blake Lively is a star and the producer
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and Justin Baldoni is the co-star and also the director
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We talked about this the other day that nobody on
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the cast is following him. He is no longer doing–
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they're not doing press together because he doesn't like the
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way it was promoted. Also, there were two different final edits,
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one that he did and one that Blake pushed for,
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Blake Lively. And she said, well, they just chose the
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more feminine edit. The word is that he feels like
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that wasn't really the point of the book that is
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being promoted as more of like a Barbie type movie,
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a loving story. I talked about when I saw the trailer.
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I didn't know the story involved it involved generational domestic violence.
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I would have never thought that from the trailer. And
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they're trying to get seats, you know, filled in the theaters.
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And so he is not, I guess, not happy with
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the cut. And he spoke about it, though. However, he
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has said Blake was wonderful to work with and that
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she should direct the sequel or the prequel or whatever
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that is. And he has since hired a PR team
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because he feels– I guess he feels, according to Us Weekly,
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that he needs a PR team because this has gotten
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so bad. I think this is great PR. I really
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want to go see the movie now. I want to
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see how they may have chosen a more feminine edit
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versus the rawness. I mean he's playing an abuser, which
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he was concerned about doing that.
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So this is like very, very interesting. And I think
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it's only going to make people more curious about the movie.
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So I think it's a win-win for everybody, even though
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maybe that's not how they planned it. A little update
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on the poor widow, the influencer widow whose husband ended
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his life based on the financial ruins that he'd put
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his family in that he could not live in this
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lifestyle of the Hamptons and owed all this money. She
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has removed her social media, as I said, but now
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The word is from page six. Sources are saying she
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is leaving the Hamptons in New York and going to
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take her two kids and move to Miami in Florida
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and start a new life, which I think that is
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the right thing to do. And now for our new segment,
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Juicy Scoop Golf News. Yes, there is actually a golf
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story that was sent to me. I did my investigation.
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I have two people on staff that are expert golfers
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that helped me explain. I actually am redoing the story
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because I did it wrong the first time. Okay, Tommy
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Lee's son, Brandon, he belongs to Sherwood Country Club, a
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beautiful country club out in the Westlake-Thousand Oaks area. Quick note,
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when you watch the movie Bridesmaids, when she's going to
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the baby shower, they're giving out the little puppies. She
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goes through the gates. That's the gates of Sherwood. Okay,
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so it's a very nice gated community with a fabulous
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golf course in it. Now, even though celebrities go there,
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a country club within the LA County, they're really not
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impressed with Hollywood types. They really, sometimes they don't want you.
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So Brandon joined a while ago. He's a full member
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on his own. He's been a member since 2021. The
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average price to join this country club is $ 150, 000. According
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to TMZ, he lost his club membership. The story is
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they're very strict about staying on the golf path, the
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concrete part. You're not supposed to drive your cart to
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that part of the green, okay, because it screws up
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the beautiful grass for the other members that want to play.
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He allegedly got too close to the green and a
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homeowner who most likely was also a member of the club,
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probably have been there for 20 years and has a
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lot of power, maybe he's even on the board, said, hey,
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you're too close to the green. He said, no, I'm not.
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And an argument ensued. And the man took out his
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phone and tried to film him, which then he got
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really angry, allegedly. And they kicked him out of the club.
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And they also said there were complaints about him being
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rude to other members and to staff. His team has
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said that's not true. I've always had a great time there.
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I've always was nice to the staff and nice to
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other members. This isn't true. I wasn't on the green, whatever.
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But that's the news. You have to follow these rules,
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whether you're Tommy Lee's son or not. But if you
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remember back in the day, Tommy Lee used to get
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real angry at the paparazzi too when he was out
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and about. So maybe he's just a little angry and
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he probably didn't like being filmed. According to these sources,
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Ben Affleck is prioritizing his sobriety over his marriage with
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Jennifer Lopez. This is from marca.com. that he is very
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upset that she went forward with an alcohol brand, Delola,
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being that he struggled with alcohol. He did not like
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that she pursued this partnership with this alcohol brand. You know,
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I don't know. I can kind of see why. I've
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said it didn't make sense. Also, she was never a
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big drinker. She would say, oh, I had one champagne
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a year. Um, You know, if someone in my family
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had a major injury from riding an electric scooter, I
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think it would be in poor taste if all of
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a sudden I paired with an electric scooter company and was, like,
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riding it around if someone, like, had a massive head
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injury or something. So I agree. I didn't think it
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was a wise thing. I think she should not have
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gone forward with it being that she was– you know,
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even if it was in the works, I think she
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should have killed it and just stuck with, like, I
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don't know, representing an air fryer or something instead.
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Yeah.
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But they're saying that they are like the divorce papers
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are all ready to go. They just haven't announced it yet.
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But meanwhile, her stepdaughter, Jennifer Gardner and Ben's daughter, Violet Affleck,
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was wearing Jennifer's old Dolce & Gabbana dress, looking beautiful
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in it. So, hey, I hope that the kids don't
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suffer if they do, in fact, break up. I hope
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that she can have a nice relationship with her former
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stepmom if she becomes a former stepmom. But I get it.
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Little update on such a juicy story. Amy Robach and
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TJ Holmes. You remember they were both co-hosts on Good
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Morning America. Turned out they had an affair. They fired them.
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And like anybody else, they licked their wounds and started
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a podcast together about their relationship. Well, shortly after their breakup,
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her ex-husband, Andrew Hsu, former actor of Melrose Place, started
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dating TJ Holmes, soon to be ex-wife, named Melrose. Marley, Marley.
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And people couldn't believe it's true. It's true. He just
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gave a quick update on like another podcast about rewatching
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Melrose Place episodes. I mean, what else are you going
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to do? And said, no, we're doing great. I just
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think that this is amazing. I remember it happened with
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Shania Twain when her friend started dating her husband, but
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then she got together with that friend's husband and And
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I don't know if both couples are still going strong,
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but it is kind of an amazing thing. You know,
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it's just kind of a win-win. It's very weird, but
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I sort of love it. And maybe because I know
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that I think he and Marilee had kids together, TJ
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and her, but Amy Robach and Andrew Hsu were both
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each other's second marriage. So they brought kids into the marriage,
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but they didn't have one together. Maybe they can all
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have Thanksgiving together. Bring all the kids, hang out. Maybe
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they're like, this is great. You know, we're happy. Thank
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God you guys started fucking. Otherwise, I wouldn't know that
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the love of my life was the scorned woman. Like,
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it's a win-win. Talk about making lemonade. It could all
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work out, people. Okay. The biggest loser... remember that show?
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It was so horrible, you guys. This was one of
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the shows you look back on and you're like, this
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and The Swan, where they gave people plastic surgery and
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then they didn't let them see themselves until the very end.
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And then they would take down the mirror and the
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person looked like Miss Piggy with a wig on. It
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was just so strange. And then those people had a
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hard time keeping it up because they'd go back to
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their job at the Dairy Queen and they couldn't keep
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the hair extensions in. And all this stuff, but at
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least they had like a chin. Okay. Now, in this case,
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these biggest loser people, they would say, okay, everyone take
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off your shirt. And the women would have little sports
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bras on and they're, you know, with their exposed midriff
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and everything. And They would like this guy said they
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would absolutely starve me like I was starving and I
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was so dehydrated by the end of it that it
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was like medical. And then then there was so much
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shame because once he left that place where he could
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have was only drinking like lemon and cayenne pepper or something.
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then it was a very impossible thing to keep up.
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So then there'd be a lot of shame with that.
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So it's just no surprise. But he said we were exploited.
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I'm like, you think? You think as we made you
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get on a scale and make you take off your shirt,
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you don't think that was exploiting you? Horrible. But you
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know what? That's what America is, is looking back at
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the past and being like, oh, my God, we were awful. OK,
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this newcomer, Katie, I met her. She's a very cute girl.
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She's on Real Housewives of O.C., And she's being sued
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for $ 5 million because she and two other people came
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up with this great idea to sell these little shot
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glasses that are like a glass golf ball at the bottom. And, God,
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there's a lot of golf in this state. And then
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it's like a little– and somebody gave it to us.
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Someone gave these glasses to us. They're very cute shot glasses.
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They're a really cute gift. This guy is saying that
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was my idea and I shared it with these two
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partners who Georgia Dolores, who then stole my idea and
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got with Katie, who already had a golf line because
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they knew it was going to explode because she was
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going to be on The Real Housewives. And you stole
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my idea and I want $ 5 million. I think this
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is going to be a really hard thing to prove,
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but welcome Katie to The Real Housewives of lawsuits, okay?
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Because That's what you get. You know, he probably would
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have just licked his wounds and said, I thought I
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I thought I mentioned that idea once to someone at
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a party. But what have I got now? And now
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he's like, oh, no, let me find a lawyer who
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will sue this woman who's on Real Housewives. So we'll
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we'll see. They'll all shake out in court after hundreds
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of thousands of dollars of legal fees. Real Housewives of
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New York. Oh, my gosh. The New Girls, which is
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not going to be called New Housewives of New York anymore.
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It's just going to be Real Housewives of New York.
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I have never seen a better cast photo, a better dressed,
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cohesive fashion extravaganza. The girls all look great. I mean,
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I hope that the show is as juicy and interesting
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and pleasing to the eye as this cast photo because
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it makes me so excited to go to New York,
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which I'll be there October 11th at the Palladium, and
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interview these women and see them and get chic black
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outfits all together and slick back my hair. But I
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love it. Selling Sunset is back. with the Oppenheimer little
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tiny twins. And I'm excited for that show. That's going
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to be juicy with the real estate porn and the fashion.
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But the thing I'm most excited for is this TikTok-inspired
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show on Hulu, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And
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I read the breakdown of all the girls. And, oh,
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my God, almost all of them are either divorced or
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on their second marriage. Lots of blended families. But they're all, like,
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24 and have three kids. And this was the TikTok-ing
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craze where they got together and they were cute and
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they did TikToks. And then the one girl revealed, like,
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they were doing– soft swapping where they would like make
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out and go to like second or third base with
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someone that wasn't their spouse, but they would do it
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next to their husband. It's like, you know how like
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certain really religious people were like, well, we only side
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hug until we're married. This was like a version of that,
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but for swinging. And they're going to reveal it all
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on the show. So very excited for that. Brad Pitt
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is saying AA got mad at him for him revealing
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he was an AA. And he's like, well, why don't
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you want the advertising? I'm not saying who is in
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my group. But they're like, well, you're supposed to be anonymous.
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Very bizarre. I would call that out, too. I'd be like,
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what do you want, people? I just said it's working
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for me. He said he really had a problem his
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whole life with it. He's been sober for a while now.
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He has this new girlfriend and just enjoying their life.
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Of course, his issues with Angelina Jolie continue. Unfortunately, the kids,
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the six kids that they shared, I think only one boy, Knox,
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still has Pitt in his last name. I believe all
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three of the girls have removed Pitt from their name
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and are just Jolie because their last name was Jolie Pitt.
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And the boys, the two older boys, Maddox and Pax,
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I don't think have anything to do with him. So
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that's kind of sad and frustrating. Maybe they can work
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that out too.
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I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
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have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
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way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
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the Emmys and I have police complaints filed against me.
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When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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what would you do if it was given back?
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Where did that need come from where you thought that
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you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
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He said, I have a work dad. I need a
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home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
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started crying.
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Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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those hard moments that they go through.
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It's about what happens next.
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I decided to risk it all.
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I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
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Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
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You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
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The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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Only one question matters. What happens next?
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Okay, now for my very juicy interview with Margaret Joseph.
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She answers every question about Teresa Louie, Jackie, Dolores, the
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future of the show. She didn't hold back on anything.
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I asked her about timelines. I asked her about the
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other women in Louie's past. And it was a really
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interesting conversation. It is a Zoom we filmed at our house.
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We both look great. My background is my kitchen, and
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I'm going to tell you right now, I have an
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issue with my fridge. It looks like shit. NeNe Leakes
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would be absolutely horrified if she sees this Zoom. What
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happened was is I have a big freezer and a
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big fridge that are stainless steel that come together. The
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freezer broke. We finally got what we thought was going
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to match the side. It isn't. It's a different size.
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So it looks like the handles are like this. You're
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going to think you're having an optical illusion. You're going
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to call your friends and say, what the hell is
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wrong with Heather's fridge? Relax. We ordered another side. It's
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going to be paired up. That's because, you know, I
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read every comment on the YouTube. I just had to
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tell you that. And I do appreciate you. So please
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subscribe to YouTube. Tell your friends, share it, ring that
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like button, spread the word. We work up very hard
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on the YouTube and I want you guys to enjoy
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watching it as well as listening. All right, here we
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go with this interview. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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I have returned guests, but you know her best as
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Margaret Josephs, the star of Walmart products, so many different things,
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married to a plumber, likes to screw with a plumber,
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and star of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. How
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are you, Margaret?
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Oh, fabulous, Heather. So happy to be back with you.
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You look stunning. I'm fresh off a plane. I'm so sorry.
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I smell like a plumber right now.
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You look great.
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Thank you.
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Okay, so let's talk about, because I've covered the show
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a lot on Juicy Scoop, and you had an unconventional
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reunion in which you were put into two different rooms,
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two different teams. We've got Teresa, Jennifer Aiden, and Jackie
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on one side, Dolores, just like the poster is sort
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of in the middle, but she sits in that room.
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And then in the room, in the other room was you,
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Melissa Gorga and Jen Fessler and Rachel Fuda and Danielle.
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Yes.
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So, you know, I've been reading all the comments and
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I guess people didn't really enjoy the watch back very much.
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They would have preferred to have a traditional reunion. How
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did you feel?
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I would have preferred a traditional reunion, clearly. People say
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a lot of reunions about resolution. Resolution doesn't always mean
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making up, in my opinion. Resolution is getting your feelings
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out and resolving that There is no forward movement with
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certain people and certain people need to get their feelings
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out and be heard. So I think a reunion would
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have been fabulous, but, you know, clearly there wasn't one.
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So I was disappointed there wasn't a reunion.
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As far as resolution goes, this has become a thing
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that I've heard in the last couple of years in
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describing the franchises in general. The shows are about conflict
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and resolution. And Why does it have to be about conflict? Well,
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it never was in the beginning. It never was when
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we first started watching these shows. It wasn't about conflict.
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It was about people's interesting lives. And the women happened
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to know each other and they would counsel each other
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and we'd see different things and we'd see them laugh
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and go, you know, get drunk in a bush together.
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But it wasn't all this like conflict conflict. I, you know,
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I agree with you.
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When I first got on the show, I didn't even
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believe that women fight like that. Listen, I've had arguments,
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petty arguments with my girlfriends and things like that. And then,
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you know, we make up two seconds later, you know, misunderstandings.
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The conflict that has been on our show is so insane.
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In my opinion, I can't believe it's happening. It's like
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it's like nonsense. It's it's absolute ridiculous. Who gets that
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deep into this stuff? Um, and, and honestly, like, just say,
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just for argument's sake, if you, if you don't like
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your girlfriend's boyfriend or husband, you know, you can have
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an emotion, a conversation about it where people don't get
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so hysterical. Right.
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It's like, okay, so let's get into that because the
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real conflict that has happened between you and Teresa is
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Teresa's belief. that you set out to try to destroy
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her life and her marriage to her second husband, Louis.
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And she has this unwavering belief that that was your
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intention from the start. Before we get into explaining it,
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one thing that I have been thinking about, take out
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the cameras, take out, you really are just women that
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know each other. And your girlfriend, Teresa- who didn't really
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have a great first husband, definitely questionable on fidelity, questionable
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on financial situations in which she went away to prison
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for a year. Now she's back and she's all excited
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about this guy, okay? And you and maybe your other
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girlfriends go crazy I got a DM, which can happen
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in people who are not on TV. I got a
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DM from a former girlfriend or a friend of a
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00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.119
girlfriend who's like, hey, I know your girl Teresa is
476
00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:49.390
dating this guy. He's my ex-boyfriend or my friend's ex-fiance.
477
00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:53.990
And you should be aware because of a couple things. Now,
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00:26:54.569 --> 00:26:58.170
no cameras. If that happened to me, probably the first
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thing I would do is call a mutual friend and
480
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say- Okay, I know Teresa's like super excited and I
481
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:08.450
have to say he was super nice to me when
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we all went to dinner. Yes, and he can be personable.
483
00:27:12.930 --> 00:27:18.289
So in setting that stage, I think people are not
484
00:27:18.390 --> 00:27:21.819
realizing that that is a very common thing, especially with
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Dirty John and people being on their second marriage and
486
00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.000
being over 50 and being in this world where.
487
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.440
You can find out everybody. Wait, let me tell you something.
488
00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:33.329
When I was with Joe, it happened to me. I
489
00:27:33.369 --> 00:27:36.269
was first with Joe and my friend. And this is
490
00:27:36.309 --> 00:27:38.539
not why we're not friends anymore. We're not friends anymore
491
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.440
because she decided not to talk to me. She was
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00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:43.579
mad I got married and didn't tell her. She was like,
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00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.880
we don't know this guy. Why would you be with him?
494
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.369
He you know, my business was very successful at the time. So,
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00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:53.430
you know, it was before my lawsuits, though, even. And
496
00:27:53.730 --> 00:27:55.289
she was like, how do we know this guy doesn't
497
00:27:55.309 --> 00:27:57.930
want you for money? How do we know, you know, this, that,
498
00:27:57.970 --> 00:28:00.089
and the other thing? I said to my girlfriend at
499
00:28:00.130 --> 00:28:02.430
the time, I was like, he's successful in his own right. Not,
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00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:04.970
not just because he's the plumber and I didn't want
501
00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:06.619
him just because he's the plumber, but he don't, you know, Joe,
502
00:28:06.650 --> 00:28:09.359
we don't really discuss. He owns apartments, things like that,
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00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.960
you know, with his family. It was, you know, all things.
504
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.819
And I just said, he doesn't. And I had tons
505
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:20.619
of phone calls. Well, my decorator said he's buh, buh, buh, buh, buh.
506
00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:23.559
I had tons of phone calls. This one calling me,
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00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:27.900
that one calling. You know, they were concerned. They were worried,
508
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.549
but it didn't cause me to have like a hemorrhage
509
00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.730
and say, you know, you're the worst friend. You don't
510
00:28:32.769 --> 00:28:35.450
want me to be happy. You know, that didn't come
511
00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:36.069
into my mind.
512
00:28:37.609 --> 00:28:40.029
So let's go over exactly.
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00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.329
And Joe's friends, just so you know, one of Joe's
514
00:28:42.369 --> 00:28:45.640
friends said to him about me, she's high maintenance. Look
515
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.059
at her. I heard about her. Why would you be
516
00:28:49.099 --> 00:28:51.400
with her? And Joe's still good friends with him.
517
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.930
Right. In the beginning of a relationship, You're not married yet.
518
00:28:57.950 --> 00:29:03.059
I understand people keep their mouth shut when there's children involved.
519
00:29:03.380 --> 00:29:06.920
They didn't have a child together. So I can see
520
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.619
why you're like, and so now behind, there's a lot
521
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.970
that happened, obviously, that we don't see. which is happening
522
00:29:15.009 --> 00:29:16.670
more and more on these shows, which I think is
523
00:29:16.690 --> 00:29:19.670
frustrating for the producers and frustrating for Bravo and most
524
00:29:19.730 --> 00:29:23.400
frustrating for the fans. Because we, you know, whether it's
525
00:29:24.019 --> 00:29:28.119
conversations that happened or lawsuits that happened or, you know,
526
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.700
things behind the scenes with these bloggers and, you know,
527
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.450
it's only grown with people doing kind of what I
528
00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:40.029
do or writing things or whatever. So let's get into...
529
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.319
a little bit in clarifying, um, when they first started
530
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.880
dating and, um, your first, your first opinion. And when
531
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.319
you may have heard rumblings from exes, disgruntled exes, which
532
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.240
everybody has a disgruntled ex, otherwise they wouldn't be an ex.
533
00:29:57.029 --> 00:29:59.490
Exactly. I will say when they first started dating, I
534
00:29:59.529 --> 00:30:02.329
was thrilled for her. I was so excited. She told
535
00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:05.210
me how great he was. The Gorgas told me how
536
00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:08.910
great he was. I was nothing but thrilled for her.
537
00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:14.539
That is 2021, by the way. I wanted everything good
538
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.319
for her. The person who I had no idea didn't
539
00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:19.420
want everything good for her. Well, I knew she didn't
540
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.220
want anything good for her was Jackie, but I didn't
541
00:30:21.380 --> 00:30:23.160
I didn't care. You know what I mean? I was like,
542
00:30:23.619 --> 00:30:26.380
they moved past it. I thought nothing of it. Then,
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00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:29.400
you know, whatever it was, the thing started to come
544
00:30:29.509 --> 00:30:34.009
out online right before we started filming. Right when we
545
00:30:34.049 --> 00:30:35.089
started filming, actually.
546
00:30:35.109 --> 00:30:42.450
Was that before the Instagram account posted the Warrior video
547
00:30:42.490 --> 00:30:43.769
from a couple of years prior?
548
00:30:46.210 --> 00:30:50.430
It was, no, the Instagram account posted the Warrior video
549
00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:54.160
in 2021. And that's when him and Teresa got together, really.
550
00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:58.230
I think so. They got together in 2021. He, or
551
00:30:58.269 --> 00:31:00.950
maybe they got together the year before, or I can't,
552
00:31:01.349 --> 00:31:02.809
or the beginning of that year.
553
00:31:02.849 --> 00:31:06.309
Their timeline that they said recently on a Carlos King
554
00:31:06.369 --> 00:31:10.289
thing is so, you know, we, we heard her story.
555
00:31:10.509 --> 00:31:12.230
I was on a walk with a girlfriend. I walked
556
00:31:12.269 --> 00:31:13.329
by a house. Yeah.
557
00:31:13.349 --> 00:31:14.849
It was the summer before or whatever.
558
00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:18.349
They got, he, he saw her, his son goes, Oh,
559
00:31:18.390 --> 00:31:21.230
that woman is on Real Housewives of New Jersey. He's like,
560
00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:25.930
she's attractive, whatever. He chased her, talked to her, gave
561
00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:30.480
her his number. Gave her his number. She was like, what?
562
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.980
And then her friend convinced her to call him. And then,
563
00:31:33.099 --> 00:31:35.839
according to them, they talked and dated for four months
564
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.700
before they became intimate. Now, the other part I heard is.
565
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:40.789
I don't believe that for two seconds, but whatever.
566
00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:44.130
The other part I heard is that he was living with...
567
00:31:45.130 --> 00:31:47.700
I don't know if it was... So he has... So
568
00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:49.640
he has a next wife. He has a next wife.
569
00:31:49.779 --> 00:31:53.180
He has two Vanessa's. Yes. Were they back to back
570
00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:54.660
significant relationships?
571
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:55.200
Yes.
572
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.279
Yes. And then, but there was a different, a different
573
00:31:58.299 --> 00:32:01.130
person not named Vanessa that he allegedly was living with
574
00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:03.089
when he saw Teresa walk by the house.
575
00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:04.990
That was Vanessa. Another Vanessa.
576
00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:08.289
Okay. So one Vanessa was an engagement.
577
00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:11.109
One Vanessa, the engagement. And then there was another Vanessa
578
00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:14.880
with dark hair who then went out with Dolores's ex.
579
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.890
Vanessa number two dated Dolores's ex-boyfriend, the doctor? Yes. Oh
580
00:32:23.009 --> 00:32:26.910
my God. See, there's so much good stuff that we missed.
581
00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:28.150
Yes, yes, yes.
582
00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:29.869
Why could this all be on the show?
583
00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:32.779
It was mentioned. It was mentioned.
584
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:35.720
Okay. It was mentioned, but it's a lot to follow.
585
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:38.299
It's a lot to follow, but I want to just
586
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:42.779
clarify a few things. Yes. So that, see, the reason
587
00:32:42.819 --> 00:32:44.809
I even found out about this, Jackie told me that.
588
00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:47.029
She goes, there's two Vanessa's. Now, I had no idea
589
00:32:47.049 --> 00:32:48.349
about that. I was like, how does she know there's
590
00:32:48.369 --> 00:32:50.930
two Vanessa's? Yes, there's two Vanessa's. There's two Vanessa's. The
591
00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:53.730
reason she knew that, which I didn't find out till
592
00:32:53.809 --> 00:32:59.299
not that long ago, was that she had both Vanessa's
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00:32:59.779 --> 00:33:03.960
at her home. That was what it was. Both Vanessa's
594
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.259
had gone to her home.
595
00:33:06.259 --> 00:33:10.099
Together at the same time? Yes. So they're buddies. Both
596
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:11.160
of Vanessa's are friends.
597
00:33:11.509 --> 00:33:11.710
Yes.
598
00:33:11.829 --> 00:33:14.809
Vanessa and Vanessa 2.0 were both at her home.
599
00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:19.359
So they are friendly as two exes that come together. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
600
00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:23.470
And one of those Vanessa's is the one who became
601
00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:27.230
a therapist specialist, specializing in dating narcissists.
602
00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:28.369
Yes, she was a therapist before.
603
00:33:28.430 --> 00:33:31.230
And that's the same one that did, I'm doing a
604
00:33:31.369 --> 00:33:33.630
charity event where I run in my wedding dress.
605
00:33:33.650 --> 00:33:36.819
Yes, yes, yes. And I think that was before, you know,
606
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.299
Louis became a public figure.
607
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:46.579
Okay. So, so somehow he goes to this Christian, how
608
00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:50.390
to be a better man event and, I don't know
609
00:33:50.410 --> 00:33:50.650
if it's.
610
00:33:50.589 --> 00:33:53.069
So, you know, I don't know what's so Christian about it, truthfully,
611
00:33:53.089 --> 00:33:53.490
but whatever.
612
00:33:53.509 --> 00:33:55.809
Maybe it's not. I don't know. But I understand.
613
00:33:55.829 --> 00:33:57.549
I would call it toxic masculinity.
614
00:33:57.569 --> 00:34:01.609
I mean, you know. I understand the man who lives
615
00:34:01.630 --> 00:34:04.730
in Newport who runs it because I was interested. So
616
00:34:04.779 --> 00:34:05.839
I started following him.
617
00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:07.900
Well, that's a whole other story.
618
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:12.590
So he has this kind of empowerment weekend. Hey, to
619
00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:16.070
be fair, there's a ton of empowerment female weekends that
620
00:34:16.269 --> 00:34:19.989
anyone can go to right now that involves yoga and,
621
00:34:20.389 --> 00:34:24.920
you know, whatever. So this thing was, okay, so now
622
00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:28.420
part of the program, just like a religious retreat, is
623
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:31.840
writing a letter and saying it to a camera to,
624
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:34.699
I guess, the woman that you want to get back with.
625
00:34:35.510 --> 00:34:37.949
And by the way, I just want to tell you this,
626
00:34:38.250 --> 00:34:43.329
that video was not to either of the Vanessa's. So
627
00:34:43.349 --> 00:34:45.829
it was to a previous fiance.
628
00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:50.230
Before the two Vanessa's. Yes. So from what we know, he,
629
00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:53.369
he had the wife that he had the two sons with.
630
00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:55.170
Yes. And then there was Paula.
631
00:34:56.349 --> 00:34:58.139
Then there was a woman named Paula, but that's not
632
00:34:58.179 --> 00:35:00.619
the one he was declaring his love to, or it was.
633
00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:02.420
No, that was, that was the video.
634
00:35:02.860 --> 00:35:05.659
Okay. Then he had Vanessa who is engaged to, and
635
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.420
then he had Vanessa. That was just a girlfriend.
636
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.199
Yes. But the Paula was also engaged to.
637
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.559
He was engaged to the second Vanessa.
638
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.179
No, he was engaged to Paula.
639
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:17.920
Okay.
640
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.300
And then he was engaged to Vanessa. And then he was...
641
00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:25.719
The second Vanessa was the girlfriend. Got it.
642
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:31.250
So... Paula was the one who received this video. Yes, yes.
643
00:35:31.269 --> 00:35:34.090
And Paula, who's, I don't want to, you know, she's
644
00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:36.230
not a public figure, but I mean, hey, if you're
645
00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:38.590
on Instagram, whatever, but I don't know her last name
646
00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:39.070
or anything.
647
00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:40.329
I don't, I don't know her last name.
648
00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:42.690
So let's not try to find it either. Leave her alone.
649
00:35:42.710 --> 00:35:49.349
But anyway, so she, for whatever reason, somebody probably found her.
650
00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:54.409
Some blogger probably found her. She probably was enjoying sharing
651
00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:59.010
some scoop about her ex, who's now, becoming a public figure.
652
00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:05.050
Cher somehow gets that video to somebody who then gets
653
00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:06.570
it to somebody who then posts.
654
00:36:06.590 --> 00:36:08.230
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
655
00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:11.949
And I personally thought it was just kind of funny.
656
00:36:11.969 --> 00:36:15.789
I didn't think it made him look like, I haven't
657
00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:17.690
said this. I'm like, it was funny. I actually did
658
00:36:17.730 --> 00:36:20.090
a parody. I was on a vacation with my girlfriends.
659
00:36:20.610 --> 00:36:22.030
I know, I liked it. I remember.
660
00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:24.530
We did a parody because I was like, I'm going
661
00:36:24.550 --> 00:36:26.670
to be a better wife and I'm going to, you know,
662
00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:29.219
make more than just a sad chicken dinner. And like,
663
00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:31.739
I made all these funny things about it. And I
664
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:35.880
really didn't think that it made him look at all. Like,
665
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.539
I'm like, if you want to look on the other
666
00:36:37.579 --> 00:36:39.519
side of it, it was someone who was trying to
667
00:36:39.579 --> 00:36:43.369
improve themselves. It didn't work out with this woman. He
668
00:36:43.389 --> 00:36:48.880
was trying to improve himself. Now, up and Adam had
669
00:36:48.949 --> 00:36:52.800
shared an alleged letter that he wrote. that got out
670
00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:55.099
there and I don't know where it came from in
671
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.650
which he had to, uh, list a lot of negative
672
00:36:58.670 --> 00:37:02.190
things about himself in order to be accepted into this
673
00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:07.329
weekend program. So that, I haven't read that letter. I haven't,
674
00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:12.650
that thing is a little more, um, I think bad
675
00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:16.800
than just him having a sunburn pouring his heart out
676
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:17.400
to a girl.
677
00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:20.219
When I saw that video, I was like, wow, it's
678
00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:25.460
a little weird. Um, you know what I said, just
679
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.639
explain it. You know what I mean?
680
00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:28.760
Don't, but.
681
00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:32.150
It was very, you know, Teresa was like, don't bring
682
00:37:32.190 --> 00:37:32.570
light to it.
683
00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:33.170
Don't bring light to it.
684
00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:36.070
It was all over the internet. You know, we've been
685
00:37:36.110 --> 00:37:38.199
on the show long enough. You just come out with
686
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:40.739
your dirty laundry. You get ahead of it. We're all human.
687
00:37:41.059 --> 00:37:44.539
Things happen. Not a big deal. She immediately was like,
688
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:48.619
you did this. You're trying to hurt Louie. I'm not trying.
689
00:37:48.699 --> 00:37:51.179
I wasn't trying to hurt Louie under any circumstance. I
690
00:37:51.219 --> 00:37:53.059
do want to say one thing though. The one thing
691
00:37:53.139 --> 00:37:55.960
I did know prior to that video was the pizza
692
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.260
gate with the Gorgas. And I kept my mouth shut.
693
00:37:59.389 --> 00:38:01.750
And can you just refresh people on the pizza gate?
694
00:38:02.110 --> 00:38:04.769
And I knew all about it. And Melissa and Joe
695
00:38:05.269 --> 00:38:07.489
said to me, please keep it quiet. And I didn't
696
00:38:07.550 --> 00:38:10.420
want to hurt Teresa and Louie's relationship. And I was
697
00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:12.039
there for the whole thing. And I was like, I'm
698
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:14.579
not going to say one word because it's a new
699
00:38:14.619 --> 00:38:17.280
relationship and I want their relationship to work out. So
700
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:21.039
I was actually being a good friend to Teresa. I
701
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:23.039
didn't want the world to know what happened. And Melissa
702
00:38:23.059 --> 00:38:24.719
and Joe really wanted to work out for them. And
703
00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:26.170
they're like, forget it. We're going to bury it.
704
00:38:27.219 --> 00:38:31.139
I knew about the pizza gate too. Somebody in the
705
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.300
Gorga world had told me and was like, swore me
706
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:42.590
to secrecy. And because you see that right after, you know,
707
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:48.670
Teresa got home from being away in prison, the Gorgas
708
00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:51.010
and her were getting along. They were going out to dinner.
709
00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:53.610
They were having fun. She was like, set me up.
710
00:38:53.630 --> 00:38:54.510
I saw her then too.
711
00:38:54.690 --> 00:38:56.550
I wanted all good things for her. She was a
712
00:38:56.610 --> 00:38:58.889
different person then. Do you know what I'm saying?
713
00:38:58.909 --> 00:39:02.429
Right. And so then all of a sudden we're hearing like,
714
00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:06.690
you know, oh, there's a big rift between the Gorgas
715
00:39:06.949 --> 00:39:08.690
and Teresa and Louie. And I was like, how did
716
00:39:08.710 --> 00:39:12.309
that happen? And so this person told me, swore no
717
00:39:12.329 --> 00:39:15.239
secrecy and explained, this is how it was explained to me.
718
00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:21.699
Joe Gorga had an idea to do a subscription where
719
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.300
you would get this pizza, homemade pizza oven and And
720
00:39:25.340 --> 00:39:29.449
then like every month, like food would automatically come, which
721
00:39:29.489 --> 00:39:32.760
there's a million companies like that. And every, you could
722
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.820
order the same pizza, every toppings every time, or you
723
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.420
could do different and experiment like a wine cloth.
724
00:39:38.539 --> 00:39:38.760
Yes.
725
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.269
And I thought that's a really brilliant idea. And for
726
00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:44.409
these two Italians to get together.
727
00:39:44.510 --> 00:39:47.239
Yes. Yeah, for colleges and things like that.
728
00:39:47.510 --> 00:39:50.360
Yeah, like it could be really fun and great. And
729
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.420
so what was told to me was they were all
730
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:56.380
excited to do this together. And then Joe Gorga was
731
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:59.159
blindsided when he found out that there was a whole
732
00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:04.280
photo shoot going on with just Teresa's daughters and them
733
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.739
doing this. And he was like, what the hell happened?
734
00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:13.050
And then it just went away. And I did go, well,
735
00:40:13.150 --> 00:40:16.469
why did it go away? Like, could we give a
736
00:40:16.489 --> 00:40:20.500
little credit to Louis for killing the deal for himself
737
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.599
as well? Like, he didn't go forward with it. Did
738
00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:26.059
he not go forward with it because he wanted to
739
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:28.880
save the relationship, try to save the relationship? Or did
740
00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:31.820
he not go forward with it because without Joe Gorga,
741
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:36.010
he couldn't? Like that's what I, because she has said
742
00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:40.349
he lost $ 250, 000, uh, Louie by just going like this
743
00:40:40.730 --> 00:40:42.650
and hoping that they could be friends again. Cause this
744
00:40:42.710 --> 00:40:46.179
is all before the wedding. What is your understanding of that?
745
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.139
Um, I was there when the phone call happened, uh,
746
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.019
cause Melissa called me very upset that Joe was having
747
00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:56.739
a freak out. Um, my Joe and I drove over there, uh,
748
00:40:58.449 --> 00:41:01.550
I heard the screaming. Louie was like, this is for
749
00:41:01.570 --> 00:41:04.780
your sister. We'll give you 5% of the company. Joe's like,
750
00:41:05.019 --> 00:41:07.820
I thought of the company. It's my nephew who's importing
751
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.099
the pizza ovens for you.
752
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.539
The nephew is on Melissa's side.
753
00:41:12.989 --> 00:41:16.429
Yeah. You did all of this behind our back. You've
754
00:41:16.469 --> 00:41:18.869
ghosted my phone calls and now you're going to give
755
00:41:18.969 --> 00:41:21.610
me 5% of the company that was my idea. And
756
00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:24.070
I started, no, we're not doing this. you know, and
757
00:41:24.269 --> 00:41:25.869
they had changed the name. It was going to be
758
00:41:25.909 --> 00:41:29.090
like no-nos and it came out skinny Italian or whatever
759
00:41:29.130 --> 00:41:31.769
it was. They had boxes made the jewels. And then
760
00:41:31.789 --> 00:41:34.750
Louie's like, all right, we'll give you 10%. You know,
761
00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:37.309
and Joe's like, we're not doing it. And I just, I,
762
00:41:37.389 --> 00:41:38.989
you know, I was like, let them do it. It's
763
00:41:39.010 --> 00:41:41.710
so stupid. I mean, they wrote gluten-free on the oven,
764
00:41:42.510 --> 00:41:44.489
the sample, which I thought was even funnier. Who writes
765
00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:48.039
gluten-free on an oven? It was kind of, it was
766
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:51.719
kind of funny when Joe showed me the prototype and
767
00:41:51.820 --> 00:41:54.670
I was like, I go, just do your own. I go,
768
00:41:54.730 --> 00:41:57.659
forget it. Just, just let it, just let it fly. And,
769
00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:00.880
and he was like, it's such a slap in the face.
770
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:03.480
He was just like, so hurt, you know?
771
00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:08.800
Because he was excited to... have a clean slate right.
772
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.800
With her and move with this husband because and then and.
773
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.159
The other joe had had troubles over the years.
774
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.010
And then theresa and then they were like just forget
775
00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:19.429
it i'm gonna eat it i'm gonna this i think
776
00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:21.349
the pizza and that was it and they just like
777
00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:23.730
and then louis like i'll eat the pizza ovens i
778
00:42:23.769 --> 00:42:25.869
don't think it was 250 000 i think that was
779
00:42:25.909 --> 00:42:28.750
a gross exaggeration it might have been 150 might have
780
00:42:28.769 --> 00:42:29.989
been 100 maybe 100 whatever it was it just went
781
00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:38.400
away and You know, they gave them out and that
782
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.159
was it. And they were like, neither of us are
783
00:42:40.179 --> 00:42:43.280
going to do it and it's done. So they agreed
784
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:46.119
not to talk about it. And I was like, fine,
785
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:47.880
no one's going to talk about it. I never mentioned
786
00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:51.849
it to anybody. I went on, you know what I mean?
787
00:42:51.889 --> 00:42:54.190
We went to filming. We're like, we're not bringing this up.
788
00:42:54.250 --> 00:42:55.829
There's going to be no conversation.
789
00:42:56.369 --> 00:42:56.869
You know what?
790
00:42:57.550 --> 00:43:01.010
I want her to be happy. Everything else, done. And
791
00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:05.039
immediately- you know, she starts accusing me because I am
792
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.670
somebody who, you know what? Something happened. The video came out.
793
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.159
I was like, just address it. Who cares?
794
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:10.760
Immediately.
795
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.320
She got hyper defensive. She was like, I'm not doing this.
796
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.809
That was also, you know, along with the Jennifer, I,
797
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.619
you know, I was, you know, I was fighting with
798
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.480
Jennifer Aiden. Cause you know, I mentioned about the cheating
799
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.559
scandal at that time. So she was like, you're trying
800
00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:27.179
to hurt me. I was like, no, one's trying to
801
00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:29.340
hurt you. No, one's trying to hurt you. Just, just
802
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.320
make your life easier. explain it. And Louie got very
803
00:43:32.380 --> 00:43:34.739
aggressive with me. You know, I'm not intimidating. You know, I,
804
00:43:34.860 --> 00:43:37.260
you can't intimidate me on your best day. I was like,
805
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.139
I see what's going on here. You know, no man
806
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:40.730
acts like that.
807
00:43:40.750 --> 00:43:42.869
A couple of things. First, I want to say, I
808
00:43:43.690 --> 00:43:47.010
think you're totally right about getting ahead of things. I've
809
00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:49.530
done that in my own life. Now being a public figure,
810
00:43:49.590 --> 00:43:51.389
I've been like, I'm going to share this so that
811
00:43:51.429 --> 00:43:53.570
if this ever comes back to, you know, if this
812
00:43:53.610 --> 00:43:55.750
person ever wants to try to say a different narrative,
813
00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:58.699
I said it first, which is very, it's a lot
814
00:43:58.739 --> 00:44:01.440
easier to get your story out first than defenders to
815
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.960
then to defend a falsehood. Okay. So that's just very true.
816
00:44:05.510 --> 00:44:09.809
But also jumping over to Real Housewives of OC, there's
817
00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:13.269
this stupid storyline, which is kind of funny. Did Heather
818
00:44:13.289 --> 00:44:18.289
Dubrow call the paparazzis when she and Terry went to Disneyland?
819
00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:22.139
Because prior to that, there were some cheating rumors. I
820
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.260
don't know. And the photos are kind of funny and
821
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.960
they talked about it. And then this new girl comes
822
00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:30.119
and goes, I have proof that she did call. Well,
823
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.940
on the other episode, she brings it up to Terry
824
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.559
and he goes, if there's a number, I want to
825
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.000
call it. I love being in the papers. Can we
826
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.519
call it? And I thought that was a brilliant way
827
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:44.119
to be. At first she was defensive, but- To be like, look,
828
00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:46.420
I'm going to go on record and say, I didn't
829
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.889
do it. But even if I did, who gives a fuck?
830
00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:52.789
We're on a reality show. Do you think people that
831
00:44:52.809 --> 00:44:55.050
would put their whole lives on a reality show don't
832
00:44:55.130 --> 00:44:58.130
want to be photographed by the paparazzi? We do. Like,
833
00:44:58.170 --> 00:44:59.989
that's what you should say. Like, we all want to
834
00:45:00.050 --> 00:45:03.210
be photographed by the paparazzi and put in a magazine.
835
00:45:03.989 --> 00:45:06.960
We wouldn't be on TV being a reality star if
836
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.599
we didn't want that. And I just thought that was
837
00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:11.619
a smart way to be. I would have given Louie
838
00:45:12.219 --> 00:45:16.059
the similar advice to you. I would be like, embrace
839
00:45:16.179 --> 00:45:19.969
it and do it with funniness. Be like, I tried
840
00:45:20.010 --> 00:45:22.389
to improve myself. I tried to do it with this woman.
841
00:45:22.449 --> 00:45:25.369
It didn't work out. I did love the program. I
842
00:45:25.429 --> 00:45:27.989
am a better man because of it. If she chose
843
00:45:28.030 --> 00:45:33.119
to share it years later, fine. I wish I'd worn sunscreen. Like, exactly.
844
00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:36.480
Heather, I'm the same way you are. I came on,
845
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.079
you know, right on the show. I had an affair.
846
00:45:39.099 --> 00:45:41.099
I did this. I did that. You know, I've suffered
847
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.579
for this, you know, whatever it is. You have to
848
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.050
come on with all your blemishes. That's what I was
849
00:45:46.070 --> 00:45:47.489
trying to say to them. I was trying to explain
850
00:45:47.510 --> 00:45:51.190
that to Teresa. He got very aggressive, diminished the women.
851
00:45:51.210 --> 00:45:54.170
I have crazy exes. I have this, I have that.
852
00:45:54.650 --> 00:45:56.550
You know, he could have came out like a superstar,
853
00:45:56.929 --> 00:45:59.780
you know, and said exactly what you just said. And
854
00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:01.019
that would have been it. That would have put it
855
00:46:01.059 --> 00:46:04.639
to bed. But the hiding, the lying, the storming off,
856
00:46:04.699 --> 00:46:08.219
the this, the that, accusing people, hiring bloggers, everything else,
857
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:12.039
it backfired. And then just doing aggressive things. And it just,
858
00:46:12.219 --> 00:46:13.800
it went on a downward spiral.
859
00:46:15.389 --> 00:46:19.780
I think, which is why I always say, if I
860
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.159
had a friend, if they were doing a Real Housewives of,
861
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.139
you know, whatever, Westlake Village, and I had friends that
862
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.739
were going to be chosen, I would give the advice
863
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.900
of get ahead of it all, be really honest, but
864
00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:36.380
also just know that every single thing is going to
865
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.260
come out. I think he underestimated everything. I think he
866
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.699
thought of only what a non-experienced viewer sees, which is
867
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:49.510
how fun it is. Teresa is very successful. There's these
868
00:46:49.570 --> 00:46:53.550
fun opportunities that come. We can show what a great
869
00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:56.130
blended family we are, which I do believe they all
870
00:46:56.170 --> 00:46:58.809
seem to get along, whatever. That's what we see. That's
871
00:46:58.829 --> 00:47:03.550
what it appears to be. That's a hard thing to accomplish.
872
00:47:03.969 --> 00:47:07.840
And I just don't think he thought about how... In
873
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.320
this day and age, how everything comes up, like there
874
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.000
are just women that watch this show, and I think
875
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:20.690
it's predominantly women, that are strange, that are jealous, that
876
00:47:20.829 --> 00:47:23.409
don't have anything to do, but they are fucking good
877
00:47:23.469 --> 00:47:26.150
on the computer, maybe as good as Bo Dietl. And
878
00:47:26.469 --> 00:47:32.030
they get into it, and they are so incredibly... obsessed
879
00:47:32.210 --> 00:47:34.550
that to have one of these people that they've watched
880
00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:40.599
on TV for 14 years is now directly communicating with them.
881
00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:45.300
They're like a disciple in a mafia movie. They'll like
882
00:47:45.340 --> 00:47:47.989
do whatever is told by the dom. And that is
883
00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:52.230
what I think happened with some of these these women,
884
00:47:52.710 --> 00:47:55.349
Melissa's old nose and all this stuff that I've covered
885
00:47:55.710 --> 00:48:03.469
that were clearly communicating with Teresa, Jennifer Aiden, and this
886
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:08.480
attorney that somehow felt it was in Teresa's best interest
887
00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:12.079
for him somehow to get involved with storylines of the show,
888
00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:13.639
which I find very confusing.
889
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:19.360
I think they wanted to change the narrative of the show.
890
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.300
I think they got involved with these.
891
00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:23.550
Bloggers.
892
00:48:25.090 --> 00:48:30.949
And, you know, it was, it's actually very sad because it's, they,
893
00:48:31.070 --> 00:48:34.440
they ruined the atmosphere of everything that was fun about it.
894
00:48:35.170 --> 00:48:38.269
And it was the online attacks. I'm grateful to this.
895
00:48:38.730 --> 00:48:40.829
I think it's funny. We're calling her Melissa's old nose,
896
00:48:40.869 --> 00:48:42.920
which is, I mean, just that we've been calling it.
897
00:48:42.949 --> 00:48:44.630
That is kind of hysterical.
898
00:48:44.670 --> 00:48:46.530
When I don't know that there's, there's anybody on the
899
00:48:46.550 --> 00:48:48.050
cast that has an original nose.
900
00:48:48.309 --> 00:48:51.489
So I never got my nose done. Me, I never
901
00:48:51.530 --> 00:48:54.309
got my nose done. You know, the teeth and a facelift.
902
00:48:54.369 --> 00:48:57.110
Everybody's had something done. And most women that have a
903
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.019
few dollars do.
904
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.139
Sorry, that's just a fact. But yeah, you know, everything
905
00:49:02.179 --> 00:49:04.360
else has been lifted and tucked. Not a tummy, but
906
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.219
you know, the boobs have been lifted and reduced. But anyway,
907
00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:11.590
I'm glad she had to come to Jesus moment.
908
00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:13.429
The blogger, the woman.
909
00:49:13.469 --> 00:49:17.110
Yeah, the blogger, because everything I've been saying for the
910
00:49:17.150 --> 00:49:19.650
last two years, I knew to be true because I
911
00:49:19.690 --> 00:49:23.059
was like, no one's doing this. Um, just cause they're
912
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.719
a fan and she was working for them. And I
913
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.579
think that's, that's the sad part. Listen, everybody answers their fans,
914
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:33.639
the blog, you know, a blogger, you know, but to
915
00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:37.809
actually leak information, say you're helping my family do this.
916
00:49:38.829 --> 00:49:42.289
I have screenshots of them saying, go after Margaret's Walmart business.
917
00:49:42.409 --> 00:49:45.849
It's all been out there. That's sick. I never want
918
00:49:45.869 --> 00:49:50.210
to hurt someone's livelihood. I never want to see someone
919
00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:53.969
suffer financially. I mean, there's people that I obviously cannot
920
00:49:54.889 --> 00:49:56.710
be around and stomach on the show. I never want
921
00:49:56.750 --> 00:49:58.989
to see their family hurt. Nothing like that. And I
922
00:49:59.050 --> 00:50:02.039
think that they could take it to that level, you know,
923
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.710
says something about their character. I mean, something has gone wrong.
924
00:50:06.190 --> 00:50:09.190
This is what's confusing and you can hopefully clear it
925
00:50:09.210 --> 00:50:11.659
up as someone who watched the show. You come on
926
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:16.179
the show and you and Teresa are good. She loses
927
00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:19.440
her mom. You're like, I thought of doing this beautiful thing.
928
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.179
Then you start having, and you were friends with Danielle Staub.
929
00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:26.869
And then Danielle Staub somehow, you know, somehow thinks that
930
00:50:26.929 --> 00:50:29.570
you're What was that about? She thought you were like
931
00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:31.869
trying to ruin her new marriage or something?
932
00:50:31.889 --> 00:50:35.369
No, because I thought, again, good friend that I am.
933
00:50:36.289 --> 00:50:38.610
I see her not being good with Marty and his kids.
934
00:50:38.869 --> 00:50:42.550
And that's true. And I said to her, I said,
935
00:50:43.210 --> 00:50:46.829
you need this marriage. This, you know, is not good
936
00:50:46.909 --> 00:50:48.650
the way you're acting. I said to her off camera
937
00:50:49.469 --> 00:50:52.079
and I go, cut the shit. You know, I go,
938
00:50:52.099 --> 00:50:53.940
I don't like what's going on here. I said, you're
939
00:50:53.980 --> 00:50:55.780
making a big mistake. If you need a sugar daddy,
940
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.260
you give sugar. And that's what she, and I said,
941
00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:00.579
and he's not a bad guy. He's a good person.
942
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.739
You've got to stop. And she didn't like that. And
943
00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:05.739
I meant it. And I just, and I was like,
944
00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:07.750
this is not the way you run your life. I said, you,
945
00:51:07.860 --> 00:51:10.239
you need this marriage to work out and be better
946
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:12.179
to him. He had an elderly mother. He was a
947
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.590
good person. His kids were lovely. She was always saying
948
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.440
his kids weren't nice. I think she probably regrets it.
949
00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:20.190
And I was being a good friend. I would say
950
00:51:20.230 --> 00:51:22.070
that to any of my friends. It's nothing I haven't
951
00:51:22.110 --> 00:51:24.849
said to my, any friends. If I think they're being
952
00:51:24.869 --> 00:51:26.570
a douche to their husband, if I'm being a douche
953
00:51:26.590 --> 00:51:28.900
to my husband, you know, sometimes Lexi's like, you know,
954
00:51:28.940 --> 00:51:31.760
don't be so rough on Joe, you know, that's what
955
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.590
you do. And I did care for Danielle. She moved
956
00:51:35.610 --> 00:51:38.510
to Englewood to be by me, literally a few blocks
957
00:51:38.530 --> 00:51:38.809
from me.
958
00:51:39.449 --> 00:51:42.309
And you have a conflict sort of, At the wedding
959
00:51:42.349 --> 00:51:44.409
where you're a bridesmaid, correct? Yes, yes.
960
00:51:44.570 --> 00:51:46.210
I said this to her off camera and then she
961
00:51:46.250 --> 00:51:48.210
got real bitchy with me. And I was like, you're
962
00:51:48.230 --> 00:51:51.130
making a mistake. But whatever, that happens.
963
00:51:51.170 --> 00:51:54.550
So she does get married. Yes. And then they do
964
00:51:54.610 --> 00:51:57.639
break up. And that's when she pulled your ponytail? Yes.
965
00:51:58.670 --> 00:52:01.349
They were having issues. Yeah. And that's, I think, yeah,
966
00:52:01.389 --> 00:52:05.079
they're already having, yes. Then she, they're already having issues.
967
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.579
She blames me for the breakup. No one, I can
968
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.239
never blame anybody for a break of a marriage. I
969
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.940
can't break up someone's marriage. I wasn't sleeping with your husband.
970
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.130
I did not tell him to leave you. You, you
971
00:52:16.170 --> 00:52:21.550
did that all yourself. And she, um, You know, and
972
00:52:21.650 --> 00:52:24.409
she's telling, you know, Teresa all these things at the time.
973
00:52:24.550 --> 00:52:27.489
And I, whatever it was. And Teresa, you know, goes
974
00:52:27.570 --> 00:52:31.110
along with, yeah, you know, Teresa says, yeah, pull her hair. Now,
975
00:52:31.789 --> 00:52:35.550
in defense of Teresa, which I can't believe I'm saying this.
976
00:52:35.789 --> 00:52:37.670
She was extreme. She didn't think she was going to
977
00:52:37.690 --> 00:52:40.789
be found out. That's the first thing. She was extremely remorseful.
978
00:52:41.929 --> 00:52:44.190
But like, if she could tell Danielle to jump off
979
00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:46.409
a bridge, she doesn't have to do it. Danielle is
980
00:52:46.449 --> 00:52:49.860
the one who pulled my ponytail. Just because you tell
981
00:52:49.900 --> 00:52:51.980
someone to do something doesn't mean they have to do it.
982
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.219
But Teresa, you know, Danielle would do anything to please Teresa.
983
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.840
It got in her head, whatever it was. And, you know,
984
00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:00.840
Teresa orchestrated it. I forgave her after that. I was
985
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.059
in shock she did it. Teresa and I were good.
986
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.070
I was defending her. You saw my face when I
987
00:53:05.110 --> 00:53:07.670
found it out. I was in shock. And we made
988
00:53:07.730 --> 00:53:09.550
up after that. I don't hold a grudge. I'm not
989
00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.590
a grudge holder. You know what I'm saying? That's just,
990
00:53:11.929 --> 00:53:14.929
that's not my nature. If I forgive someone, I forgive somebody.
991
00:53:15.670 --> 00:53:18.619
I don't need to like carry on about it. After that,
992
00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:21.289
we're fine. Everything's great. You know, to me, I thought
993
00:53:21.309 --> 00:53:22.570
everything was great. She's like, I'm going to make it
994
00:53:22.630 --> 00:53:24.289
up to you, honey. I'm going to show you how
995
00:53:24.329 --> 00:53:27.030
much I love you. I'm so sorry. She would call
996
00:53:27.070 --> 00:53:29.309
and check on me. Not enough, but you know, enough,
997
00:53:29.329 --> 00:53:32.769
you know, in her opinion. You know, to me, everything
998
00:53:32.789 --> 00:53:35.570
was fine. I thought nothing of it. The whole Jackie
999
00:53:35.610 --> 00:53:39.340
thing comes out, you know, the year later, the cheating scandal.
1000
00:53:40.579 --> 00:53:42.619
You know, we still went away to Lake George. Jackie
1001
00:53:42.659 --> 00:53:43.949
was mad at me, whatever it was.
1002
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.260
And let me just say, the whole Jackie scandal is
1003
00:53:46.710 --> 00:53:50.590
Teresa says on camera, I heard a rumor that he
1004
00:53:50.610 --> 00:53:53.349
gets together with people at a gym. The reason I
1005
00:53:53.369 --> 00:53:55.440
thought that was extra juicy is because I thought it
1006
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:59.969
alluded to a male Jim. So I thought she was
1007
00:54:00.010 --> 00:54:05.110
alluding like a double scoop. Okay. And, but again, it
1008
00:54:05.530 --> 00:54:08.789
was just a rumor I heard, which I was like, okay,
1009
00:54:08.829 --> 00:54:11.929
now we're into, there were plenty, they did the same
1010
00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:14.909
thing on Real Housewives of OC. I heard a rumor,
1011
00:54:15.409 --> 00:54:18.309
you know, Kelly Dodd did a train. The most ridiculous
1012
00:54:18.389 --> 00:54:21.369
thing And that became a storyline. And they and I
1013
00:54:21.429 --> 00:54:26.619
believe sometimes these veteran housewives throw out throw out something
1014
00:54:26.659 --> 00:54:29.460
because they're like, I got nothing going on. None of
1015
00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:32.019
my kids are getting married. I'm not getting divorced. I'm
1016
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.139
not pregnant. What can I do? And I get it. Like,
1017
00:54:35.489 --> 00:54:39.769
I get there's a formula to this now and. And unfortunately,
1018
00:54:39.789 --> 00:54:43.000
you know, they I don't know if it's the producers
1019
00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:45.559
are telling you it's boring. It's boring. We're going to
1020
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.139
get just started.
1021
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:49.659
I mean, that was our first all cast. So that
1022
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.000
was the beginning of the scene right after COVID.
1023
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:58.929
She has said now said. I heard it from your husband, Joe,
1024
00:54:59.070 --> 00:55:03.880
came home from a dinner with the men and told me. Louie,
1025
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.239
who then told her, who then said it. So therefore
1026
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.889
they say it actually came from you.
1027
00:55:09.090 --> 00:55:11.309
What, how do you answer that? This is, I think
1028
00:55:11.369 --> 00:55:12.869
it's the funniest thing I've ever heard. First of all,
1029
00:55:12.909 --> 00:55:13.630
I don't go to the gym.
1030
00:55:13.909 --> 00:55:14.389
That's a fact.
1031
00:55:14.449 --> 00:55:16.190
Everybody in my town knows I've never even been to
1032
00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:20.789
the gym. So the funny thing is they said, her
1033
00:55:20.849 --> 00:55:22.869
story is, you know, then she changed it because she had,
1034
00:55:22.909 --> 00:55:25.530
you know, can't take responsibility for everything. She said she
1035
00:55:25.550 --> 00:55:28.360
heard it from her brother, Joe Gorga, who must have
1036
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.900
heard it from Melissa, who must have heard it from
1037
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.760
me because I live in the Tenafly area. You know,
1038
00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:37.139
they tried everything to dig that up. They said, you know,
1039
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.900
they called my friend Serena from Tenafly. You know, that
1040
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.579
was the big word going around to see if Serena
1041
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.179
ever heard it. You know, they were trying to make
1042
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.460
this rumor be true. I had never heard that rumor.
1043
00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:49.579
I mean, I was in shock when she said it
1044
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.389
at that party. I was like, oh, what's going on
1045
00:55:51.429 --> 00:55:52.309
here now?
1046
00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:54.730
And to this day, to this day, there's been no
1047
00:55:54.769 --> 00:55:56.329
proof of it at all.
1048
00:55:56.570 --> 00:55:59.590
No proof whatsoever. There's never, you know, been proof of
1049
00:55:59.650 --> 00:56:02.889
something like that. of Evan doing anything like that. So
1050
00:56:03.010 --> 00:56:05.380
with that being said, I never said that. If I
1051
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.269
heard that Jackie is such a fragile character. You think
1052
00:56:09.309 --> 00:56:11.130
I wouldn't have said it to her? Jackie, holy fuck,
1053
00:56:11.210 --> 00:56:13.449
I heard this. You know, we better get it. You know,
1054
00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:15.610
we better squashes. I would have said it off camera.
1055
00:56:16.010 --> 00:56:18.719
I would never do something like that. If I heard
1056
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:22.380
something like that, you know, I would know Jackie's reaction.
1057
00:56:22.820 --> 00:56:26.480
I would have like said immediately like, holy crap, I
1058
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.329
heard this. There's no way would I be gossiping, like
1059
00:56:29.369 --> 00:56:31.949
saying this to this and this and not tell Jackie Goldschneider.
1060
00:56:32.289 --> 00:56:32.750
That's a fact.
1061
00:56:33.210 --> 00:56:35.349
Jackie would have never had that reaction if she knew
1062
00:56:35.389 --> 00:56:36.849
ahead of time and I would have told her ahead
1063
00:56:36.869 --> 00:56:39.070
of time. So that's the first thing. Didn't come out
1064
00:56:39.090 --> 00:56:44.119
of my mouth. This is some fictitious nonsense that, you know,
1065
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:47.139
Teresa had to fabricate because she can't take responsibility for
1066
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.360
her behavior. Two, the way Jackie handled it is no
1067
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.059
way I would handle it. And she even wrote it
1068
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:56.219
in her book. I told her, drop it, make it
1069
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.239
go away. Be like, you're sick in the head. You
1070
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.590
wish you were getting the dick I'm getting, you know,
1071
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.260
Forget it. And, you know, like if someone said like,
1072
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.800
like she always, you know, my husband, you know, is cheating.
1073
00:57:08.940 --> 00:57:12.429
I would laugh it off. It's so ridiculous, but it
1074
00:57:12.510 --> 00:57:15.349
affected her so much. It became the entire season.
1075
00:57:17.030 --> 00:57:21.690
So then, so then you, so then now we know
1076
00:57:22.429 --> 00:57:27.510
because she was pissed at Teresa, she then invited the
1077
00:57:27.570 --> 00:57:30.340
two Vanessa's over a couple of years ago.
1078
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:36.159
Yes. No, right after. Right after, before we even went
1079
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.460
to the cheating reunion wearing all white.
1080
00:57:40.420 --> 00:57:40.760
Okay.
1081
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.480
Before we even addressed the cheating reunion wearing all white,
1082
00:57:44.059 --> 00:57:45.019
those two women.
1083
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:50.389
Were at her house. And, and she says now. I
1084
00:57:50.429 --> 00:57:52.849
was upset with Teresa. So yes, I met with these
1085
00:57:52.889 --> 00:57:56.710
women to collect any kind of dirt that I could
1086
00:57:56.750 --> 00:58:00.230
put away for a rainy day. If she ever tries
1087
00:58:00.269 --> 00:58:03.010
to come at me again, I can throw this out
1088
00:58:03.110 --> 00:58:06.469
while the cameras are rolling. Now, we don't know what
1089
00:58:06.650 --> 00:58:09.909
dirt she got. What is the dirt?
1090
00:58:10.710 --> 00:58:13.289
Well, I managed every dirt that she got. She seemed
1091
00:58:13.309 --> 00:58:16.070
to know about, I mean, anything she seemed to know
1092
00:58:16.090 --> 00:58:18.489
about ahead of time. I never knew there was two Vanessa's.
1093
00:58:18.610 --> 00:58:21.610
She's the first one who told me. She would send,
1094
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.579
you know, oh, look at Louie when he was heavy.
1095
00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:28.800
You know, he was much heavier at one point.
1096
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.730
That's very interesting that Jackie uses that as a negative thing.
1097
00:58:34.409 --> 00:58:37.389
I know she said that she struggled with eating disorders
1098
00:58:37.449 --> 00:58:42.079
and being that she's very anti-Ozempic, that then she's going
1099
00:58:42.099 --> 00:58:45.280
to mock someone who's now very physically fit. That's rude.
1100
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.280
And then she sent that to me and I was
1101
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:49.469
just like, where'd you get these photos? Oh, I, you know,
1102
00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:51.610
someone sent them to me, you know, things like that.
1103
00:58:51.650 --> 00:58:53.690
But I put nothing on it because I was like, oh,
1104
00:58:53.710 --> 00:58:56.429
you know, where'd you get these photos? I, you know,
1105
00:58:56.570 --> 00:58:59.659
I was naive. Shockingly, I was naive to the fact
1106
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.880
I was like, it never even crossed my mind because
1107
00:59:02.900 --> 00:59:05.039
I don't think like that. I don't, you know, everyone's
1108
00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:09.289
like Margaret has an arsenal. No, Margaret is smart, pays attention,
1109
00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:13.199
could connect. the dots and puts two and two together. Yes.
1110
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.519
Do I know a lot of people? I live around
1111
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:17.900
here for a long time. Can I figure out how
1112
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.059
to get things done? Yes, absolutely. That's, that's not an arsenal.
1113
00:59:22.670 --> 00:59:25.489
You know, did I hold my cards when I found
1114
00:59:25.550 --> 00:59:27.989
out a week ahead of time that Jackie Goldschneider had
1115
00:59:28.010 --> 00:59:30.909
them at her house? Yes. I didn't know the whole time.
1116
00:59:31.010 --> 00:59:33.070
I found out a week ahead of time of that meeting.
1117
00:59:33.250 --> 00:59:36.469
That's true. She duped me too. Listen, she was smart enough.
1118
00:59:36.789 --> 00:59:39.170
She always told me she's going to get Teresa back
1119
00:59:39.210 --> 00:59:40.929
if it's the last thing she does. And she did.
1120
00:59:40.969 --> 00:59:42.010
She stuck it right up her butt.
1121
00:59:42.090 --> 00:59:42.650
I don't blame her.
1122
00:59:42.750 --> 00:59:46.829
She wanted, you know, to get Teresa back and her
1123
00:59:46.849 --> 00:59:49.489
to feel the pain that Jackie felt. And she did.
1124
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.519
So that I think not because she had her at
1125
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.079
her house. It makes me believe that she told these exit,
1126
00:59:57.099 --> 01:00:00.570
whatever it is, the proper places to leak this information.
1127
01:00:01.130 --> 01:00:04.610
Yes, I do. Because I do remember seeing the the
1128
01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:08.530
photo of Louie's former appearance. I do remember seeing that
1129
01:00:08.630 --> 01:00:10.550
on one of these things that I follow and I
1130
01:00:10.590 --> 01:00:13.920
don't remember what it was. So you think she did
1131
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.070
gather that dirt and did, because we did hear different stories.
1132
01:00:17.090 --> 01:00:19.510
We did hear about the slash tires of some ex.
1133
01:00:19.989 --> 01:00:21.289
We did hear about this and that.
1134
01:00:22.630 --> 01:00:25.130
And I'm not, listen, I'm not blaming Jackie. I'm blaming
1135
01:00:25.150 --> 01:00:26.570
her for what she did to me. I don't care
1136
01:00:26.590 --> 01:00:27.989
what she did to them. She hated them.
1137
01:00:28.570 --> 01:00:32.130
And what do you feel Jackie, what do you feel
1138
01:00:32.190 --> 01:00:33.130
Jackie did to you?
1139
01:00:33.989 --> 01:00:37.269
What she did to me is she watched the entire
1140
01:00:37.309 --> 01:00:41.699
time of Teresa's saying, you did this, you leaked this,
1141
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:44.039
you did that. She knew for a fact, I didn't
1142
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.480
like it. Her and I spoke all the time. I
1143
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:48.679
was like, I'm an open book. I'd be like, what
1144
01:00:48.739 --> 01:00:50.360
is going on here? I go, oh my God. Like,
1145
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.380
would we talk about when something got out there? I'd
1146
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:53.889
be like, oh my God, did you see that? Oh
1147
01:00:53.909 --> 01:00:57.610
my God. You know, things like that. I mean, I
1148
01:00:57.650 --> 01:01:00.949
discouraged her from doing things, not about that, about other things.
1149
01:01:01.429 --> 01:01:04.679
I was like, that's not my life. I don't want
1150
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.139
to see something bad happen to someone. Because you know why?
1151
01:01:07.539 --> 01:01:12.000
Bad things happen to bad people eventually. They burn themselves
1152
01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:15.389
on their own. I don't need to be involved in it.
1153
01:01:15.489 --> 01:01:17.219
I don't want to be involved in it. I don't
1154
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.929
want to see the demise of people because eventually they
1155
01:01:20.949 --> 01:01:25.619
do it to themselves. And You know, that's and that's
1156
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:28.710
the whole thing. So we would talk about talk about it.
1157
01:01:28.750 --> 01:01:30.469
And she would say, oh, my God, did you see this?
1158
01:01:30.510 --> 01:01:33.650
Did you see this? And that's that's the way it was.
1159
01:01:34.050 --> 01:01:37.269
So I would never have the I don't have time
1160
01:01:37.309 --> 01:01:40.280
to deal with leaking things. And I do feel now
1161
01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:43.480
knowing that she kept that her card so close to
1162
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.159
herself that she met with them. They were at her house.
1163
01:01:45.500 --> 01:01:47.579
And I would always wonder how she know these things.
1164
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:49.940
But it didn't click to me. It just didn't.
1165
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.369
And so then do you think when she got demoted
1166
01:01:53.010 --> 01:01:58.530
as just a friend, then she was fortunately for her
1167
01:01:58.829 --> 01:02:02.449
in Teresa's good graces and then just was like, well,
1168
01:02:02.469 --> 01:02:04.070
this is the way I can stay on the show
1169
01:02:04.489 --> 01:02:06.090
is to stay really good friends with her.
1170
01:02:06.110 --> 01:02:08.269
I think when she got demoted, she goes, I don't
1171
01:02:08.309 --> 01:02:10.090
want her to ever hurt me. I don't know what
1172
01:02:10.139 --> 01:02:12.340
they're capable of. I don't want them to ever do
1173
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.320
anything to me. Um, I don't need these headaches. And
1174
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.059
I was like, what are they going to do? Who cares?
1175
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:19.400
I go, what are they? You know, there's going to
1176
01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:21.300
be a horse's heading in bed. What's the story? You know,
1177
01:02:21.340 --> 01:02:25.300
I go, stop being such a puss. Um, yeah, I,
1178
01:02:25.699 --> 01:02:28.150
but it's like, keep your friends closer, enemies closer. And
1179
01:02:28.190 --> 01:02:30.269
I guess, you know, Jackie played, played that game.
1180
01:02:31.610 --> 01:02:33.929
And so then, but you started to feel the weirdness
1181
01:02:33.969 --> 01:02:36.909
because you were like, you're kind of ghosting me. You
1182
01:02:36.949 --> 01:02:42.260
didn't give me, um, a pre, um, a pre-published version
1183
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:42.880
of your book.
1184
01:02:43.010 --> 01:02:45.019
And I bought it. I also bought it on Amazon
1185
01:02:45.139 --> 01:02:47.099
and I, and then I got the influencer kit with
1186
01:02:47.139 --> 01:02:50.159
everybody else, but not the same time the other girls did.
1187
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.329
Okay. And so you started to feel that there was a,
1188
01:02:53.739 --> 01:02:55.179
something weird happening.
1189
01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:56.000
Yes.
1190
01:02:56.059 --> 01:02:57.400
Okay. Yes.
1191
01:02:57.619 --> 01:03:01.090
I think she was, um, you know, doing her plotting.
1192
01:03:01.219 --> 01:03:05.210
I started. That was after you revealed on the next, um,
1193
01:03:06.389 --> 01:03:09.389
So you do attend the wedding. They have the big
1194
01:03:09.449 --> 01:03:11.670
wedding two years ago. And you go to that wedding.
1195
01:03:12.489 --> 01:03:15.250
And then it's after that, and correct me if I'm wrong,
1196
01:03:15.349 --> 01:03:20.840
it's after that that you start to realize that there's
1197
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:24.340
this stuff going behind the scenes. We see him say
1198
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.039
on camera, I got Bo Dietl. Biggest investigators got to
1199
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.550
file on all of them. Yes, yes, yes. And explain
1200
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:36.570
the situation with the Walmart deal. Okay.
1201
01:03:36.809 --> 01:03:38.809
Um, yeah, I go to the wedding, you know, and
1202
01:03:38.829 --> 01:03:41.570
we had filmed that F the thing of Polly. I
1203
01:03:41.630 --> 01:03:44.510
heard him say Bo Dietl. It didn't click to me
1204
01:03:44.590 --> 01:03:46.730
what it meant. You know what I mean? He just
1205
01:03:46.750 --> 01:03:48.710
said the name Bo Dietl, but it was such a
1206
01:03:48.769 --> 01:03:51.679
fast thing, you know, and then we see the episodes
1207
01:03:51.739 --> 01:03:55.039
of just like Bo D you know, Bo Dietl is
1208
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.940
everything on you, you know, cause that was filmed like
1209
01:03:56.980 --> 01:04:00.280
the day after it was very crazy. Um, I find
1210
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.829
out all that stuff. Uh, And then I, you know,
1211
01:04:04.989 --> 01:04:08.150
I was informed by someone, you know, uh, with the
1212
01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:12.690
Walmart deal, uh, who signed an affidavit for me. Um,
1213
01:04:12.929 --> 01:04:16.389
there is police, you know, I did file that's, that's
1214
01:04:16.429 --> 01:04:19.639
a fact police reports about that, about harassment. Cause I
1215
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.840
was like, this is crazy. Um, he hired a smear campaign,
1216
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.599
you know, it was brought up at reunion to try
1217
01:04:27.619 --> 01:04:31.010
and smear my name. said he wants people to go
1218
01:04:31.139 --> 01:04:35.130
after my Walmart deal, contact Walmart executives and say negative
1219
01:04:35.150 --> 01:04:39.269
things about me. And even Bravo had to shut something
1220
01:04:39.309 --> 01:04:44.829
down that Melissa's old nose did admit to. She was
1221
01:04:44.929 --> 01:04:50.289
reaching out to sources saying things about me that weren't true.
1222
01:04:51.489 --> 01:04:55.219
Well, that's a huge deal, having products in Walmart and
1223
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:01.119
a huge, huge company. But we know now in my
1224
01:05:01.179 --> 01:05:05.800
level and even less, when people are mad at you,
1225
01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:09.539
whether they're fans or whatever, they will get little armies
1226
01:05:09.579 --> 01:05:12.239
of peoples or bots or whatever, and they will write
1227
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:17.039
to whatever, a podcast advertiser. I can't believe you're associated
1228
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.710
with this person, blah, blah, blah. And if they get
1229
01:05:19.769 --> 01:05:23.000
enough of them, they are like, You know, it's not
1230
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:24.860
that big of a deal. We've cut ties with her.
1231
01:05:25.469 --> 01:05:30.150
And people do lose deals because of an online campaign.
1232
01:05:30.610 --> 01:05:34.269
Yours was a much larger, more calculated thing because it
1233
01:05:34.369 --> 01:05:37.230
is a larger deal. You weren't just, you know, making
1234
01:05:37.329 --> 01:05:41.280
two grand to wear some mascara. It's your whole thing.
1235
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.599
This is how I feed my family. This is a tremendous,
1236
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:47.940
tremendous deal that I have had. I've been in there
1237
01:05:47.980 --> 01:05:48.480
since 2011. Huge. Huge.
1238
01:05:51.590 --> 01:05:56.489
So now what, explain what happened with your son that
1239
01:05:56.510 --> 01:05:58.150
was featured on the show.
1240
01:05:58.170 --> 01:06:00.840
I want to just, um, yeah, I just want to
1241
01:06:00.889 --> 01:06:04.519
explain that, you know, it's very sensitive to my family
1242
01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:06.420
and we should not to talk about it too much,
1243
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:08.380
but I'm going to give you a quick, um, a
1244
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.960
week before the reunion, um, the last reunion we filmed
1245
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:16.340
a phone call was made to him. Um, everyone's like, Oh, Margaret,
1246
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:18.019
she had the police reports. No, I'm not going to,
1247
01:06:18.139 --> 01:06:20.449
I'm not going to, do anything like that. The network
1248
01:06:20.489 --> 01:06:24.050
has seen it. The network has, uh, you know, production, um,
1249
01:06:24.510 --> 01:06:27.070
executive in production spoke to the police. I just want
1250
01:06:27.090 --> 01:06:32.659
to make that clear. Um, my children, all my children
1251
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.500
have nothing to do with the show. Don't even know
1252
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.699
the names of the people on the show. Don't watch
1253
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:39.599
the show. Don't have social media. I want to make,
1254
01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:42.960
so no one would know his name, especially not Louie
1255
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.760
would not know where he works. Nothing remotely like that.
1256
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:48.539
a call was made to his office, asked for him
1257
01:06:48.579 --> 01:06:51.219
by name was he was called by name and a
1258
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.719
threat was made to him. There was a conversation. It
1259
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:58.829
wasn't just a phone call. Um, he Googled the person's
1260
01:06:58.889 --> 01:07:00.429
name cause he didn't know who it was when he
1261
01:07:00.469 --> 01:07:03.190
saw it come up on the thing. Um, cause when
1262
01:07:03.230 --> 01:07:05.170
he confronted him and said, I see your phone number,
1263
01:07:05.190 --> 01:07:07.949
he said, Oh, wrong number. After the threat was made.
1264
01:07:08.409 --> 01:07:10.250
I'm not like, I'm going to kill you. Nothing remotely
1265
01:07:10.289 --> 01:07:11.840
like that. Just like I'm the guy you have to
1266
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:18.090
worry about. Uh, Googled the name, found out who it
1267
01:07:18.150 --> 01:07:23.820
was and called up and said, you know, it was
1268
01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:27.400
not too happy, came home. We called NBC. We had
1269
01:07:27.460 --> 01:07:31.239
conversations and everything else. And it was not pretty. The
1270
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.940
police were at the house. Everyone's trying to look up
1271
01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:36.639
the police reports. They were filed in a very specific way.
1272
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.239
They're not going to be made public. And that was it.
1273
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.340
I like to keep my family private. And it wasn't good.
1274
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.760
You can easily see I was nowhere near him. I
1275
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.920
did not film near him. I did not use him
1276
01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:53.250
as a storyline as Mr. Ruelas is trying to say.
1277
01:07:53.269 --> 01:07:56.269
I didn't want it, but I did want it to
1278
01:07:56.289 --> 01:07:59.909
be clear. It was true. It was known. Everybody knows
1279
01:07:59.949 --> 01:08:02.090
that we said at reunion, I didn't want it discussed again.
1280
01:08:02.250 --> 01:08:03.880
I wanted it to go away. And that was it.
1281
01:08:04.250 --> 01:08:06.429
I wasn't making a big deal. I wasn't going to
1282
01:08:06.469 --> 01:08:09.760
file charges against him. I just wanted it dropped. Teresa
1283
01:08:09.820 --> 01:08:12.739
dragged it into this season to constantly try and clear
1284
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.599
her husband's name. Well, you didn't do a really good
1285
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:19.399
job when he comes on screen to say he wants
1286
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:22.460
my family to suffer and my son to suffer. Sorry.
1287
01:08:23.260 --> 01:08:28.149
How did you feel about the Instagram story written out
1288
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:30.229
on the orange background? Apology.
1289
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:36.029
That's not an apology. Apology is apology, blaming me, saying
1290
01:08:36.090 --> 01:08:40.069
he was lied on. you know, all these nonsensical things.
1291
01:08:40.130 --> 01:08:40.989
It's not an apology.
1292
01:08:43.130 --> 01:08:47.020
He was trying to save himself and that's not an apology.
1293
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.779
And I think it just speaks to his character of
1294
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:53.699
who he is to say something like that. And I
1295
01:08:54.930 --> 01:08:58.649
don't say those things and I've never wished ill upon them.
1296
01:08:58.869 --> 01:09:01.979
I'm one of the few you know, Melissa, I love
1297
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.500
the way they contrast and Melissa saying she wishes nothing
1298
01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:07.460
bad for them. She only wishes good things. And I've
1299
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:10.039
said that all along, go on your merry way and
1300
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.300
have nothing to do with me. Not meaning like, you
1301
01:09:12.340 --> 01:09:14.560
know what? I don't, I don't want to talk, you know,
1302
01:09:15.100 --> 01:09:16.979
I'm talking about them now because we're talking about the show.
1303
01:09:17.979 --> 01:09:21.390
I haven't wished ill on you. Go be successful. You
1304
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:22.449
started this Vinavia.
1305
01:09:22.989 --> 01:09:23.449
Good luck.
1306
01:09:24.909 --> 01:09:30.550
I mean, hello. And everything else. Go have your life.
1307
01:09:30.890 --> 01:09:33.010
Don't be so obsessed with my life. Don't talk about
1308
01:09:33.029 --> 01:09:35.619
my children. Don't talk about anything. I don't talk about yours.
1309
01:09:36.140 --> 01:09:38.560
Don't mention my family and things like this. They have
1310
01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:42.000
a little obsession with me. And I think their character
1311
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:43.840
has been shown. I think that's what it is. I
1312
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:45.920
think Andy Cohen said it best. That was the darkest
1313
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.760
moment on Housewives.
1314
01:09:47.810 --> 01:09:50.409
And I thought the moment when we see that in
1315
01:09:50.449 --> 01:09:56.010
the watch back, the last episode, the reaction of everybody.
1316
01:09:56.270 --> 01:09:59.869
So nobody knew that until they saw that, right? Because
1317
01:09:59.909 --> 01:10:01.930
they held you back. You guys weren't able to watch
1318
01:10:01.970 --> 01:10:05.470
it on your own. So the reaction, everybody had the
1319
01:10:05.489 --> 01:10:09.770
same reaction, like what the fuck? And Dolores is sitting
1320
01:10:09.789 --> 01:10:15.329
there and she's like, Teresa, like that is bad. And
1321
01:10:15.369 --> 01:10:18.829
Teresa's first thing is like, what Margaret's hurt my daughters.
1322
01:10:19.449 --> 01:10:22.609
And she's like, it doesn't matter. Like you got to
1323
01:10:22.649 --> 01:10:25.789
admit that wasn't good that he said that you've got
1324
01:10:25.829 --> 01:10:28.310
to admit. And she's like, I, and she's like, you know,
1325
01:10:28.390 --> 01:10:30.670
you're supposed to be my, for whatever it is. And
1326
01:10:30.710 --> 01:10:34.550
you see that moment where Dolores is like, I have
1327
01:10:34.630 --> 01:10:38.520
had your back a billion times. I have, I think,
1328
01:10:39.510 --> 01:10:43.189
not shared the story, which I think was smart about
1329
01:10:43.609 --> 01:10:47.869
whatever happened with why her son initially loved working for
1330
01:10:47.930 --> 01:10:50.069
Louie and then no longer worked for Louie.
1331
01:10:50.090 --> 01:10:53.829
And I understand. By the way, I understand she wants
1332
01:10:53.869 --> 01:10:54.829
to protect her family.
1333
01:10:54.909 --> 01:10:57.090
I would keep it quiet. I would keep, because you don't,
1334
01:10:57.430 --> 01:11:00.449
there's two sides to every story and it doesn't want
1335
01:11:00.470 --> 01:11:04.109
to be like he was not good or Louie wasn't good.
1336
01:11:04.170 --> 01:11:05.550
It was the time it didn't work out. And my
1337
01:11:05.569 --> 01:11:06.810
son has asked me not to talk about it. So
1338
01:11:06.850 --> 01:11:10.689
please don't talk about it. But at that point she's like,
1339
01:11:11.109 --> 01:11:13.460
but Teresa, like I'm being a friend. Like you've got
1340
01:11:13.539 --> 01:11:17.880
to say, yeah, I don't, you know where that came from.
1341
01:11:17.899 --> 01:11:24.909
That's just wrong or whatever. And, and so now let's
1342
01:11:24.949 --> 01:11:29.489
talk about going forward. Fans are saying what they want,
1343
01:11:29.550 --> 01:11:32.170
what they don't want. Keep this one, lose this one,
1344
01:11:32.229 --> 01:11:36.319
get three new people, start from scratch. What are your
1345
01:11:36.340 --> 01:11:41.220
feelings about your future and the future of New Jersey Housewives?
1346
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.279
Listen, my future is I'm very blessed. I do have
1347
01:11:45.300 --> 01:11:48.220
a Walmart business. You know, I have a new business
1348
01:11:48.260 --> 01:11:50.640
with Soiree. You know, I have a very big life
1349
01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:53.140
outside the show. I love the show. I'm not going
1350
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.590
to say, you know, I did up until like really
1351
01:11:56.489 --> 01:11:59.390
this year was very, very hard. You know, the last
1352
01:11:59.449 --> 01:12:02.250
two years have been a little rough. I don't want
1353
01:12:02.289 --> 01:12:04.539
it to be that. It can't continue the way it is.
1354
01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:08.439
But I think if it could be with a real
1355
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.779
friend group, which you could see that our room was
1356
01:12:11.819 --> 01:12:15.899
very much a friend group and Dolores, that's magnificent. But
1357
01:12:15.939 --> 01:12:18.159
if it can't, it's up to the Bravo gods. Like
1358
01:12:18.220 --> 01:12:19.899
I say, it's up to the Bravo gods. What they
1359
01:12:19.970 --> 01:12:22.569
feel is entertaining and good TV. But if they want
1360
01:12:22.590 --> 01:12:27.430
to reboot, they reboot. Whatever it is, I've had a
1361
01:12:27.529 --> 01:12:33.149
great run. And you know, I'll continue doing my thing.
1362
01:12:33.250 --> 01:12:35.340
That's what it is. I have a very, very full,
1363
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:38.579
happy life and it doesn't define me.
1364
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.840
You know, I feel like with all this, people were like, oh,
1365
01:12:42.859 --> 01:12:44.899
it was so sad. I feel like it's an, I
1366
01:12:45.020 --> 01:12:48.680
actually was happy at the end of the episode because
1367
01:12:48.739 --> 01:12:53.210
I did feel there was resolution. Resolution was you guys
1368
01:12:53.449 --> 01:12:56.810
actually have a real friendship. And that happened when she surprised,
1369
01:12:57.270 --> 01:12:58.829
Rachel surprised you guys with the pregnancy.
1370
01:12:58.869 --> 01:12:59.770
Yes, we do.
1371
01:12:59.869 --> 01:13:04.539
And the genuine joy was really lovely. Was really lovely.
1372
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.420
We, these are, that our girls and, and Dolores, I'm
1373
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.560
going to say, We all talk on the phone. We
1374
01:13:11.619 --> 01:13:13.750
eat dinner together. We were just at Rachel's and it's
1375
01:13:13.770 --> 01:13:16.090
very funny because Danielle kept saying to her, I feel
1376
01:13:16.109 --> 01:13:17.970
like you're pregnant. I feel like you're pregnant. I had
1377
01:13:18.010 --> 01:13:19.789
a dream you were pregnant. So that's what we were saying.
1378
01:13:19.810 --> 01:13:21.859
Like when she did that, I was like, oh my God,
1379
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:25.319
Danielle's like psychic. Cause Danielle always like says, I dreamt
1380
01:13:25.340 --> 01:13:27.600
that da da da. And then it comes true. So
1381
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:29.779
we were like, I was freaking out because of that.
1382
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.340
we really cheer each other on. That's not saying we
1383
01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:36.109
don't argue or anything like that, but we really are
1384
01:13:36.170 --> 01:13:38.550
happy for each other's successes and everything else. And I
1385
01:13:38.590 --> 01:13:42.189
know Rachel, so excited to be pregnant and she's a
1386
01:13:42.229 --> 01:13:44.329
young woman and she's a great mother. And if you're
1387
01:13:44.350 --> 01:13:46.899
around them, you know, we're really happy. And I really
1388
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.880
was teary-eyed when her and Jen Fessler made up because
1389
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.380
I know they really love each other. So it just,
1390
01:13:53.340 --> 01:13:57.460
you know, we, I was so happy when, you know,
1391
01:13:57.479 --> 01:13:58.039
that came out.
1392
01:13:58.850 --> 01:14:03.670
Well, are Jen Fessler and Jackie no longer doing their
1393
01:14:03.689 --> 01:14:06.390
podcast together? Or was this just, she's doing a solo
1394
01:14:06.510 --> 01:14:07.390
one-off Jackie?
1395
01:14:08.229 --> 01:14:11.779
Um, there's still, I think they're still doing theirs. I
1396
01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:13.640
don't know how much longer that's going to go. You know,
1397
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.560
I'm not sure. I don't know what their contract is.
1398
01:14:15.979 --> 01:14:21.859
Jackie's doing her solo, um, you know, to be seen,
1399
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.229
to be seen. I think it's, I think it's, uh,
1400
01:14:27.229 --> 01:14:32.770
I think it's very interesting. Listen, Jackie, you know, Jackie
1401
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:34.609
Judas Goldschneider, that's all I have to say.
1402
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:40.260
And what do you think about how so many interviews
1403
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:45.760
she has just bashed Ozempic and similar medications for that?
1404
01:14:46.619 --> 01:14:49.399
I really, I think there's, go, tell me what you think.
1405
01:14:49.420 --> 01:14:53.760
Go ahead. I think Jackie's not a doctor. She should
1406
01:14:53.899 --> 01:15:00.359
stick to medicine. snooping and deceit being deceitful. Uh, I,
1407
01:15:00.699 --> 01:15:04.260
I really do know because this is the truth. Ozempic
1408
01:15:04.300 --> 01:15:08.000
has helped so many people. It's also helped people with infertility,
1409
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:14.149
polycystic ovaries. It is, she's saying it's like liquid, you know, anorexia.
1410
01:15:14.630 --> 01:15:18.729
It's not anorexia is a mental disorder. And Ozempic has
1411
01:15:18.770 --> 01:15:23.600
helped so many people. Listen, I'm on semaglutide. I've been
1412
01:15:23.659 --> 01:15:27.899
on semaglutide for two years. My blood work's never been better.
1413
01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:31.199
My A1C was a little high. It shuts off the
1414
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.119
food noise in your head. Everyone's like, do it the
1415
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:38.569
right way. No, after menopause, I'm sorry. I like could
1416
01:15:38.670 --> 01:15:41.470
not shed a pound. I don't have those, you know, sorry,
1417
01:15:41.510 --> 01:15:44.470
Heather McDonald, those gorgeous legs you have, because you do,
1418
01:15:44.510 --> 01:15:49.880
you look amazing. And you know, women do suffer, men suffer,
1419
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.140
you know, your certain things in your body changes. And
1420
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.920
I really was a little insulin resistant. My A1C, I
1421
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.319
was always a little borderline, you know what I'm saying?
1422
01:15:58.380 --> 01:16:02.760
My grandmother's over. So her making these blatant statements, she's
1423
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.140
not the authority because someone had an eating disorder doesn't
1424
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:08.439
make them the authority on Ozempic. And I, and I
1425
01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:13.140
think there's some underlying, um, I don't want to say
1426
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:13.699
what I really.
1427
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:15.380
You know, I'm going to say what I really think
1428
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.729
that because, I've joked about it on stage, so I'll
1429
01:16:18.770 --> 01:16:22.029
say it. There is a group of women.
1430
01:16:22.609 --> 01:16:22.869
Yes.
1431
01:16:23.170 --> 01:16:24.909
There's two groups. There's a group of women that have
1432
01:16:24.949 --> 01:16:28.789
always been naturally skinny and they never had to suffer
1433
01:16:28.810 --> 01:16:31.970
with any kind of diet. It was just a gift.
1434
01:16:31.989 --> 01:16:35.600
And I've actually had a friend like that say to me, well,
1435
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:37.380
I don't like it that everyone can take a shot
1436
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:39.279
and now just be the one thing that came easy
1437
01:16:39.300 --> 01:16:40.659
to me. She was kind of joking. She was like,
1438
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:43.539
I can't just take a shot and sing like Adele.
1439
01:16:44.260 --> 01:16:46.039
And I just thought that was so funny. And I'm like,
1440
01:16:46.100 --> 01:16:47.680
I do think there's a group of women that are
1441
01:16:47.699 --> 01:16:51.340
naturally skinny that don't really like it, that their counterpart
1442
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.050
friends are now their size. And maybe those women have
1443
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:57.689
prettier faces. So now they're really, you know, the bomb.
1444
01:16:58.069 --> 01:17:00.449
And they were always the Lucy and they always had
1445
01:17:00.470 --> 01:17:03.800
the Ethel and now they're the same. And- It's the truth.
1446
01:17:03.850 --> 01:17:06.079
There's people that are like, it's cheating. What the fuck
1447
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.180
do you care of what somebody does?
1448
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.199
And I also think in her.
1449
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.699
Case, someone that did suffer for all these years with
1450
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.000
an eating disorder, which is very sad. And we see, oh,
1451
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:17.619
she never had ice cream and she had to eat
1452
01:17:17.659 --> 01:17:21.270
these all weird things. That I also think she thinks, again,
1453
01:17:21.829 --> 01:17:25.430
wait a minute. It's not fair that I had to
1454
01:17:25.489 --> 01:17:29.050
suffer to be this size. And now people can take
1455
01:17:29.090 --> 01:17:32.670
a shot. and not have the mental noise and eat
1456
01:17:32.829 --> 01:17:36.699
smaller portions and be healthier. It's just not fair. And
1457
01:17:36.739 --> 01:17:39.520
I'm sorry, that's my opinion. I have a right to
1458
01:17:39.539 --> 01:17:42.300
my opinion. He's given her opinion numerous times. That's what
1459
01:17:42.340 --> 01:17:45.810
I think. And I think it's rude. Sure. Are there
1460
01:17:45.829 --> 01:17:49.590
a couple of negatives to it? Yeah. Now plastic surgeons
1461
01:17:49.750 --> 01:17:53.069
are making money on tightening skin because if you don't
1462
01:17:53.189 --> 01:17:55.789
eat right when you do the Ozempic and you don't
1463
01:17:56.090 --> 01:17:58.710
gain your muscle, you will get saggier skin.
1464
01:17:59.569 --> 01:18:01.140
Any weight loss, you get saggy.
1465
01:18:01.220 --> 01:18:03.180
So if you're going on it and you're not going
1466
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.539
to eat a lot, don't eat a thing of pasta,
1467
01:18:05.699 --> 01:18:07.859
eat a thing of salmon, eat a thing of chicken,
1468
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:11.510
eat little portions of protein and work out. but you're
1469
01:18:11.670 --> 01:18:13.949
going to lose weight and therefore you're going to have
1470
01:18:14.010 --> 01:18:17.539
extra skin. And so they're saying now that at plastic
1471
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:20.939
surgeon's office, less people are asking for lipo, but more
1472
01:18:20.979 --> 01:18:24.699
people are asking for skin tightening kind of, you know,
1473
01:18:25.579 --> 01:18:29.380
invasive or non-invasive stuff. Okay. So what?
1474
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.729
Yeah. Having, and that's, and that's what I feel. I
1475
01:18:32.770 --> 01:18:37.949
don't understand. She is not the authority on weight loss.
1476
01:18:38.010 --> 01:18:41.180
I think it's actually, I think it's interesting that she
1477
01:18:41.220 --> 01:18:44.720
would be, you know, taking this on as her challenge.
1478
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:47.750
It has nothing to do with it. And I and
1479
01:18:47.789 --> 01:18:50.529
I think it's sad, but I just, it is what
1480
01:18:50.569 --> 01:18:52.630
it is. And I think, and I, I.
1481
01:18:52.609 --> 01:18:56.149
Mean, I think the other thing people aren't talking about is,
1482
01:18:56.529 --> 01:18:59.069
and I don't know, cause I'm not a doctor, but
1483
01:18:59.859 --> 01:19:05.579
if this can work for people under 18, God love it.
1484
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.239
And I follow this one girl who shared her story.
1485
01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:09.479
I gave it to, you know, I gave it to
1486
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:13.579
my daughter. who suffered for years and she had definitely
1487
01:19:13.699 --> 01:19:17.479
some type of medical thing that was keeping her at
1488
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:23.020
an unhealthy weight. And now it's working for her. And
1489
01:19:23.060 --> 01:19:27.029
I think more and more people, I mean, there's nothing... harder. Well,
1490
01:19:27.050 --> 01:19:28.449
there's a lot of things hard, but one of a
1491
01:19:28.489 --> 01:19:31.149
very hard thing of childhood is, you know, you hear people,
1492
01:19:31.170 --> 01:19:32.930
I had to go to a fat camp. I didn't,
1493
01:19:33.130 --> 01:19:34.810
I didn't feel like I was the size of my
1494
01:19:34.869 --> 01:19:38.829
friends and it starts there. So if there's something genetically
1495
01:19:39.069 --> 01:19:43.130
or whatever that can help maintain your growing child to
1496
01:19:43.869 --> 01:19:46.729
be more confident and live a healthier lifestyle and have
1497
01:19:46.810 --> 01:19:48.850
less weight on their body, so they can go and
1498
01:19:48.890 --> 01:19:51.529
be in a sport or whatever. Why is that a
1499
01:19:51.569 --> 01:19:53.890
negative thing? You know? And so.
1500
01:19:54.369 --> 01:19:56.149
You're a thousand percent. Also, the other thing is that
1501
01:19:56.170 --> 01:20:00.850
they're also giving it to people for alcoholism and drinking issues.
1502
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.100
You have a very, it's very hard to drink on
1503
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:05.340
this drug. I mean, I don't drink, but other people
1504
01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:07.279
have told me and they're starting to look at it
1505
01:20:07.340 --> 01:20:09.880
for that. So there's a lot of positives to that
1506
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:13.479
and her taking anything to make it a negative and
1507
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.100
make it about her. It's not about you, Jackie. Everything's
1508
01:20:16.149 --> 01:20:16.689
not about you.
1509
01:20:16.699 --> 01:20:17.630
Yeah.
1510
01:20:17.649 --> 01:20:17.789
Yeah.
1511
01:20:18.689 --> 01:20:22.970
Well, I, um, I loved talking to you. I think you,
1512
01:20:23.510 --> 01:20:25.670
and I think it made it, you know, it, it
1513
01:20:25.930 --> 01:20:30.149
is really interesting. And I think that Bravo was kind
1514
01:20:30.180 --> 01:20:32.600
of like, this has just gone to, there's too many
1515
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:34.840
entities that were happening, not on the show. And I
1516
01:20:34.859 --> 01:20:36.819
think they want to go back to just having a
1517
01:20:36.859 --> 01:20:39.140
show where we see the things as it happens. I
1518
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:41.340
don't know. I think that might be a challenge in
1519
01:20:41.380 --> 01:20:46.689
the and access to everything. And all these people that
1520
01:20:46.750 --> 01:20:49.380
are fans that want to somehow be part of the
1521
01:20:49.409 --> 01:20:52.300
storyline we thought happened on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
1522
01:20:52.859 --> 01:20:55.199
So I think that's it. But I think the start,
1523
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:58.899
the way this can go forward is keeping true friends,
1524
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:05.739
finding a couple other people that are part connected to
1525
01:21:05.779 --> 01:21:09.109
you guys somehow, or that would fit in well. And
1526
01:21:11.029 --> 01:21:13.710
I think give Teresa and Louie and their kids and
1527
01:21:13.750 --> 01:21:16.939
maybe a couple other people, let them do some type
1528
01:21:16.979 --> 01:21:20.300
of other show because it might be fun to watch
1529
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:24.760
if they are not fighting and plotting and planning with
1530
01:21:24.779 --> 01:21:26.770
the other people. Like I would kind of like to see,
1531
01:21:26.810 --> 01:21:29.949
what is their, I feel like because so much time
1532
01:21:29.989 --> 01:21:33.069
has been set To share this story, I don't really,
1533
01:21:33.090 --> 01:21:35.670
I don't really, we don't really see them as a couple.
1534
01:21:35.710 --> 01:21:37.489
And maybe that would be interesting. I don't know. I
1535
01:21:37.529 --> 01:21:39.069
never want to see anyone lose a job.
1536
01:21:39.109 --> 01:21:41.760
I don't know, just look at Instagram. You can see
1537
01:21:41.779 --> 01:21:42.960
them as a couple.
1538
01:21:43.260 --> 01:21:45.779
Yeah, but I'm just saying like, I never want to
1539
01:21:45.819 --> 01:21:47.859
be the person. A lot of people that do what
1540
01:21:47.899 --> 01:21:50.430
I do will say, fire this one and do that.
1541
01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:52.770
And I never, ever want to say that because I
1542
01:21:52.789 --> 01:21:53.869
love watching the show.
1543
01:21:53.890 --> 01:21:56.390
I don't want to see anybody lose their income.
1544
01:21:56.409 --> 01:21:58.750
So I think that's how I would solve it if
1545
01:21:58.810 --> 01:22:05.010
I worked at Bravo. And I would split the baby
1546
01:22:05.050 --> 01:22:08.039
and have two great, interesting shows that maybe people could
1547
01:22:08.060 --> 01:22:12.060
be successful. But clearly... no, it can't go on this way.
1548
01:22:12.449 --> 01:22:15.880
And I think everyone agrees to that now. And, but
1549
01:22:15.899 --> 01:22:18.359
it was a, you know, it's called a reality show.
1550
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.020
We watch the reality happen. And part of the reality
1551
01:22:22.300 --> 01:22:25.800
is jealousy to be top dog and all this stuff
1552
01:22:26.100 --> 01:22:29.939
on a show. It's a show, it's a business, it's,
1553
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:31.039
you know, and some.
1554
01:22:30.899 --> 01:22:34.420
People want to be the president of the company. Some
1555
01:22:34.460 --> 01:22:37.739
friendships just can't go on. Some families can't go on. Friendships,
1556
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:39.340
you know, nothing lasts forever.
1557
01:22:40.050 --> 01:22:41.890
And I mean, not in real life when people say,
1558
01:22:42.189 --> 01:22:45.199
you know, friendships have ups and downs and ebbs and flows.
1559
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.020
As someone who's not been on a reality show, no.
1560
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.159
When it goes like that, it's kind of over. It's true.
1561
01:22:53.180 --> 01:22:55.319
You only come back over and over again because you're
1562
01:22:55.340 --> 01:22:58.500
being paid by Bravo. In real life, if you had
1563
01:22:58.659 --> 01:23:01.739
somebody do this, you'd be like, I'll be pleasant at
1564
01:23:01.779 --> 01:23:03.989
a party, but we're not talking on the phone anymore.
1565
01:23:04.010 --> 01:23:05.270
No, absolutely.
1566
01:23:05.310 --> 01:23:06.750
But because you're on a show.
1567
01:23:07.050 --> 01:23:10.720
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. That's why, listen,
1568
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.399
I was, you know, I came back, but like, I
1569
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:16.520
was not going to be in a room with somebody
1570
01:23:16.539 --> 01:23:19.409
who I felt threatened by, who I felt unsafe around.
1571
01:23:19.510 --> 01:23:19.850
You're right.
1572
01:23:20.510 --> 01:23:22.770
And I think Melissa said it perfectly. And I've been
1573
01:23:22.789 --> 01:23:25.810
in that position too. She's like, when you have like,
1574
01:23:25.989 --> 01:23:28.689
this is, I'm paraphrasing. When you have like hard proof
1575
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:35.439
that someone does not want good for you, Exactly. They
1576
01:23:35.500 --> 01:23:38.680
literally would dance on your grave. They literally might be
1577
01:23:38.739 --> 01:23:42.140
happy if they found out that you were terminal. And
1578
01:23:42.180 --> 01:23:46.890
you really know that. You can't fake it. You cannot
1579
01:23:47.010 --> 01:23:49.550
fake it anymore for all the money in the world.
1580
01:23:50.010 --> 01:23:50.510
You can't.
1581
01:23:51.390 --> 01:23:54.449
That's exactly what I do. When they wish suffering upon
1582
01:23:54.489 --> 01:23:56.460
me and everything else that has gone through, and I
1583
01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:59.380
saw them trying to hurt my livelihood, I'm not going
1584
01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:01.880
to be like, oh yeah, I forgive you.
1585
01:24:01.899 --> 01:24:02.520
No. No.
1586
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:04.300
Right.
1587
01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:05.380
Okay.
1588
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:07.260
Well, tell us a little bit about where they can
1589
01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:12.250
find Sforay because a lot of people are sober curious. Yes.
1590
01:24:12.930 --> 01:24:14.850
And they can use it as a mixer too.
1591
01:24:15.350 --> 01:24:15.590
Yes.
1592
01:24:16.090 --> 01:24:17.520
You've given it to me and I really like it.
1593
01:24:17.550 --> 01:24:21.960
But what I really like about having that experience is
1594
01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:28.300
So much of enjoying drinking is the glassware, the look
1595
01:24:28.340 --> 01:24:31.800
of the pink Cosmo, the shaking it up and having
1596
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.189
it be perfectly cold. And a lot of people are
1597
01:24:35.229 --> 01:24:38.270
really going that route and either really curtailing their drinking
1598
01:24:38.970 --> 01:24:41.949
or going a whole way. And I think your company
1599
01:24:42.270 --> 01:24:44.029
really fills that void.
1600
01:24:44.449 --> 01:24:48.199
Thank you. Yes, you can get it on drinksoiree.com. Um,
1601
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.420
in California, it's not in any stores yet. We're branching
1602
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:52.880
out to the West coast. We're in a lot of
1603
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.819
places in New Jersey. We're in some shop rights in
1604
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.439
New Jersey where Gary's where, um, oh my God, why
1605
01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:02.739
am I drawing a blank Lexi? Jesus Christ. Um, I'm
1606
01:25:02.779 --> 01:25:06.739
so crazy. What? Buy, right. Oh my God. I'm losing
1607
01:25:06.779 --> 01:25:11.149
my marbles. Heather buy rights in New Jersey, the liquor stores. So, um,
1608
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.579
And we're in a lot of hotels on premise. We're
1609
01:25:14.619 --> 01:25:17.500
in Texas. We're at the Chicago White Sox Stadium. You know,
1610
01:25:17.539 --> 01:25:20.899
we're just branching out everywhere. But with that being said,
1611
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:22.840
the reason I started is, you know, I don't drink,
1612
01:25:22.859 --> 01:25:25.000
but I'm a non-judgy non-drinker because you could use this
1613
01:25:25.020 --> 01:25:27.640
as a mixer. It's only 45 calories. It's all natural.
1614
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:32.930
Great flavors, cucumber, mint, lychee, elderflower, passion fruit, you know,
1615
01:25:32.979 --> 01:25:35.750
rose and guava. So I want everybody to experience it,
1616
01:25:35.810 --> 01:25:38.649
have an elevated experience, have a good time, have a party.
1617
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:41.159
mix it if you want, put it with tequila, put
1618
01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:43.579
it with vodka. But that's really why I came out
1619
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.800
with it because I am a professional party girl and
1620
01:25:45.859 --> 01:25:49.369
I want to party with everybody. So if you're sober, curious, pregnant,
1621
01:25:50.869 --> 01:25:52.369
just not in the mood to drink, or if you
1622
01:25:52.409 --> 01:25:58.430
want to drink- Yes, on Ozempic, can't down two drinks
1623
01:25:58.449 --> 01:26:01.680
because Ozempic makes you nauseous when you do drink. It's
1624
01:26:01.689 --> 01:26:04.180
a great drink for you. Seriously, it's actually good for diabetics.
1625
01:26:04.260 --> 01:26:05.100
It's very low in sugar.
1626
01:26:06.689 --> 01:26:10.600
Margaret, love you. And you have so many products at Walmart.
1627
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:13.300
You have all the makeup brushes.
1628
01:26:12.859 --> 01:26:13.340
And all that.
1629
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.279
I have makeup brushes, you know, the beauty blenders, every single,
1630
01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:19.779
you know, the beauty sponges, a bunch of different things.
1631
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:21.300
I'm very blessed.
1632
01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.470
Well, I will see you. You know, I'm coming to
1633
01:26:24.510 --> 01:26:24.970
New York.
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I'm coming to New Jersey.
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I'm coming to Red Bank, New Jersey.
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When are you coming?
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October... Gosh, I don't have my day right here. In October,
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I will be doing Red Bank, New Jersey. And I'm
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also doing on October 11th, Friday night, I'm going to
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be at the Palladium in Times Square. Oh, fun.
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All right.
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So you'll have to come to one of those.
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Yes, I'm totally going to be there.
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And I really appreciate you coming on and clearing so
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much stuff up and being so honest and raw.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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