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People love sports for the
thrill of the challenge, to push
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their bodies to boldly go where
they've never gone before. But
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in Star Trek, how would people
compete in a universe where
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physical augmentation makes
almost anything possible?
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And in real life, what happens
to bodybuilding a thousand years
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from now?
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Today's episode is a dual drop
from Feast of Fun and... Let's
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Grow Big Together. Think of it
as a transporter mishap where
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two podcasters fuse as one, but
not as awkward as two vics. I'm
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Fausto Fernandez.
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And I'm Mark Fillion. In this
series, we take a look at the
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passion for muscle, adventures
in bodybuilding, muscle gods,
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muscle worship, and practical
advice to put on the gains.
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The new series Starfleet Academy
centers the Star Trek universe
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around the school for new
recruits. With a fresh focus on
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youth culture and hot bodies.
Today, Starfleet Academy's
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production designer, Matthew
Davies, joins us to look at his
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work, imagining schools,
starships, gyms, and nightclubs
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of the future.
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Davies is also an accomplished
bodybuilder on his own, and so
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we're having a little fun
imagining what bodybuilding
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might look like in that world.
How will technology shape the
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sport? And what will giant...
Glorious bodies mean centuries
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from now.
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Plus, lesbians in space Creating
same-sex interspecies
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relationships and why Matthew
has no regrets turning down the
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hit show Heated Rivalry.
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We recorded this episode of
Feast of Fun before Paramount
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announced the cancellation of
Starfleet Academy. A second
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season will still air. But no
new Star Trek projects have been
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announced. Although Star Trek
has always boldly gone where
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nobody has gone before, this is
nothing new. This is a challenge
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they've overcome in the past.
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The original 1966 series was
canceled after two seasons, and
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it still managed to change the
world. If the vision of Star
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Trek matters to you, let
Paramount know. You can reach
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them at Paramount.com slash
Contact hyphen us. The link is
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included in the show notes, so
you can just click from there.
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Live long and prosper.
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Hi, this is Matthew Davies.
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Hi, Matthew Davies. This is
Fausto.
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And Mark from Let's Grow Big
Together.
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And Feast of Fun.
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Welcome to the show, Commander
Matthew Davies.
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That's what it says on the wall
of Piros, so I guess that's what
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it is.
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As I was doing research for the
show, I was just like, I wonder
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if he put any Easter eggs about
himself in there. And of course,
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it pops right up.
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I know, I've made it into canon,
but I had to insert myself into
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canon.
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Along with Lieutenant Tom Paris,
who never made it past
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lieutenant.
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Well spotted.
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Congratulations on completing
filming the second season of
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Starfleet Academy.
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Thank you.
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So you got a phone call from
Alex Kurtzman, the show's
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producer, one of the producers.
And suddenly you're designing
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for Star Trek, a franchise that
hasn't just imagined the future,
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but actually shaped it. No
pressure.
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And also, I've never actually
designed sci-fi before.
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Yeah, and unlike other sci-fi or
fantasy franchises, Star Trek
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has been instrumental in
inspiring designers today.
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Scientists, engineers,
astronauts. It inspired the
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IPhone, the iPad, real-life,
real-time language translators,
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which I actually use at work,
virtual reality, hyposprays, 3D
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printing, and even the sliding
doors of the grocery store.
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Which is still a piece of work
to engineer, yes.
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And so when you're stepping into
that responsibility in your
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mind, like you could shape the
world. Are you designing just
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sets or designing hope?
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I think people often kind of
misperceive what the role of the
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production designer is. We're
kind of responsible for shaping
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the visual narrative. So that
includes all of the sets,
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locations, everything that's not
the actor or what the actor is
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wearing kind of falls under the
remit of the art department. So
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It's essentially everything else
in the frame is our bag. Yes.
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But how do you keep it from
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different styles? Are you the
person everybody has to go like?
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All right, Matthew, can we make
the costumes Gray?
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Can we do that? Costume design
is its own thing, and I'm very
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respectful of the role of the
costume designer, Savory, and
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Gersha have done a phenomenal
job with that, and Gersha's been
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doing that role for years now,
so I wouldn't want to teach
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grandmother to suck eggs, so I
don't get involved in the
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costume design, but everything
else, yes.
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So, you know, when I originally
started the show, I just really
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spent like a couple of weeks
just gathering references,
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putting together everything
from, you know, my past life, my
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days in architecture, everything
that I'd ever been inspired by.
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And it kind of rewatched the
show and it sort of became
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obvious that every show that
comes into the Star Trek banner
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is kind of like a snapshot of
the future. But from that point
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in time, so in the 1960s. You
know, they had a lot of Arasaran
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and sort of very stylish
modernist furniture.
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And that at the time was what
the 60s saw as being the distant
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future. So, you know, and
through the 80s, 90s, it was
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always kind of looking ahead.
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I sort of became aware that you
can't truly design for the 32nd
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century. You can only sort of
design what is cutting edge in
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the moment and sort of
anticipate.
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What is in the future and going
back to your point about you
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know did Star Trek inspire all
of this or did it really just
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anticipate all of this well the
astronauts literally say like if
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it wasn't you know for nichelle
nichols i wouldn't even be in
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outer space like there are
people who singularly correct
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the inventor that i think apple
the developers and i'm blanking
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out of their names right now
said that it was the pads in
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next generation.
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That got them the idea of doing
tablet-style computers. So these
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people are literally growing up
watching your show, and then 10,
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20 years later, they're like,
you know, having a cherry
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blossom tree in the center of
our school seems like a really
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good idea.
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Yeah, there's a whole story
around the cherry trees as well.
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I'm sorry, but what's the story
behind the cherry tree?
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Back to your first question.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I was a...
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Kid of the 80s like I was born
in the 70s kind of the 80s was
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when I started really making you
know taking note of the world
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and I really loved the 80s I'm
very nostalgic for the 80s and
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in terms of the look of the show
I kind of drew a straight line
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from the 80s to just bypass the
90s and 2000s and just kept
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extending it forward so yeah
there's a lot of I'd say very
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80s references in the design of
the show.
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And if you're interested, A lot
of mirror, a lot of chrome, a
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lot of brass in the chancellor's
office. And all of those kind of
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metallics reflections and the
glamour was something that
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actually really did inspire me,
for sure.
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Did you want to go?
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I mean, the chancellor's office
is stunning.
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Yeah, well, the office, the
chancellor's office is
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essentially Frank Lloyd Wright
in space. Right. I was dating
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someone in Chicago at the time,
which is your home city. And, I
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ended up going to the Robey
House, something to do, and kind
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of got inspired. We took your
mom there, Fausto.
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Yeah. So it's just a phenomenal
space and it's kind of timeless.
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And coincidentally, Alex
Kurtzman and Noga Landau are
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really into kind of the American
arts and crafts movement and the
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kind of West Coast slash prairie
style of Frank Lloyd Wright.
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And we were talking about the
character of Nala and what she
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would be interested in and
decided that, yeah, that would
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be something that a Lanthanite
might kind of grasp onto because
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Lanthanites kind of live forever
and they've been sort of hiding
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amongst human race and it kind
of made sense.
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And there's also this idea that
with programmable matter,
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everything can essentially be
created and curated for someone
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's taste so matter itself can
kind of reorganize itself and
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kind of create your fantasy so
That was the idea behind it.
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Well, why is she dressed up
like, you know, I don't know,
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like a new wave or Jem and the
holograms? Well, there's Jem
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Hadar and the holograms.
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I remember Alex saying to me,
there was a scene in Inception
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where we kind of start on the
ceiling and it's kind of golden
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mirrored and kind of pans down.
He said, I really want to kind
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of evoke that quality in the
space. So mirrored brass
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ceilings went in.
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Well, this is the first time we
actually saw a nightclub that
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you would want to go to, you
know, and I feel like especially
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in the 80s and 90s, whenever
they show scenes.
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Where people are like partying
or dancing it's like the least
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appealing club ever and it's
also because they don't often
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have music playing or they turn
the music off to record the
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dialogue so suddenly everyone's
kind of dancing out of tempo
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there's no kind of metronome
that keeps everybody in sync
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well they they.
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Say the the one of the the
communicator inspired the Cell
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phones, right? And recently on
the latest episode, you know,
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they've got their, you know,
they've always referred to them
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as communicators. And then
they've recently just said, hey,
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your phone is ringing. Was there
a big conversation around that?
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I did notice that the dialogue
is very contemporary in the
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show.
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So I put it more down to the
way, I guess, the writers are
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trying to kind of appeal to the
generation that the show is
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created for, maybe. But Yeah, I
mean, communication in the 32nd
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century is sort of very
immediate and instantaneous and
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doesn't really involve any kind
of interaction or obvious
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interaction with technology.
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So we've got hollows, we've got,
yeah, the communicator, which
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also is like a transporter. And
yeah, and they can communicate
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through their pads. I mean,
basically whatever they're
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touching seems to connect to
something.
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You know, in the old Star Trek
and even in Star Wars, your
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nemesis, a lot of my name is a
lot of the like pictures of like
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the planets that they visit or
the moons and those things were
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hand painted by somebody that's
an actual portrait oh glass mat
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yes are you still doing that
kind of work are.
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We still doing glass mat
paintings no no we we prepare
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key frames of everything and
then we send it to
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post-production and then they
kind of incorporate everything
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into their work so it's you
Yeah, we sort of go through an
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approvals process where I kind
of work with concept artists in
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the case of Planets, kind of
shortlist the options, sit down
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with Alex and Noga and turn to
A.M.
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We present ideas and then
decide, yeah, where to go. And
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the selected favorite gets sent
to post-production and then they
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kind of incorporate it into the
final frame.
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So Starfleet Academy is a school
that. Can take off into outer
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space, right? Yeah. The whole
building is a spaceship and it
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can just fly off. I think that
some of the audience viewers
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watching this might not grasp
that concept. So you're building
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not just a school, but the
interiors of a starship.
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Funny story about that.
Originally when I got the
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synopsis for the pilot, you
know, reading it, there was sort
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of... This idea that we're kind
of in space, a space adventure,
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but we're on Earth. And the
immediate suggestion there was
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that we needed two lots of sets.
We needed dormitories on Earth
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and we needed dormitories in
space. And we needed a
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chancellor's office on Earth and
one in space.
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And it kind of created a
duplication of everything. And
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that visually didn't feel very
coherent. It didn't make sense
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budgetarily. So we were like,
well, what if they're all one
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and the same? But then...
Wouldn't that kind of landlock
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us to terra firma? And we're
like, not necessarily, not with
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the Granville matter. So we kind
of took it to the logical
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conclusion that the ship would
become the school.
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And that when they arrive on
Earth, it just felt much grander
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as a gesture if the ship would
kind of recalibrate itself and
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kind of reshape itself into
becoming the school. So it
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created this massive sort of art
shape.
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Beam that it would actually set
itself down onto and then it
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would kind of place itself in
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the harbor towards San Francisco
and then it would kind of almost
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complete the you know the campus
so you needed like a cafeteria
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with a disgruntled cafeteria
worker who's a you know and she
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's like it's.
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A living and she's putting slop
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like some things never change
yeah well you But you guys just
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finished filming the second
season, and so the series is up
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in the air, depending on, you
know, if you guys want to see
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more Starfleet Academy, you've
got to write the networks and
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watch the show, right?
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Yeah, if you love it, fight for
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Fight for the future you want.
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Yes, absolutely. Yeah. You know,
like, I actually grew up with
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Star Trek as well. It was one
of, it actually, maybe in my
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head, it was, perhaps my first
memory. I remember being a
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little kid, maybe three and a
half, four years old, and I was
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sat in front of the television.
I was watching the original
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series, watching Captain Kirk in
a spandex shirt, fight above a
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monster.
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And it turned me on immensely,
as I remember it. And yeah, I
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think it's been a part of my
life for a long time. And I
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think for a lot of people, it's
you know, fixture of their life.
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And, yeah, sort of like going
away is, you know, fills me with
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terror. And you know, I think,
you know, like I said, if it's,
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if you love it, fight for it.
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I mean, I'll tell you this, you
know, my everyday life is Star
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track I meet literally thousands
of people every month from
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different cultures, languages,
viewpoints, and they certainly
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seem alien-like. And Mark and I
are always boldly going where
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some men have gone before.
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And certainly, you know, there
is a sense of, you know, in
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terms of the values of the show,
it's looking at technology and
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diversity as a strength and not
as a weakness, as a way, a
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solution. To any problems that
we face, that together we can
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overcome our biggest challenges.
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And, you know, and certainly,
you know, part of Star Trek's
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lore is that, you know, humanity
faced World War III around this
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time. Great. Yeah. And that we
were managing and able to not
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only overcome that, we were also
be able to reach the stars
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literally and come into Contact
with all different kinds of
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cultures. And species and be
enriched by those.
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Yeah, absolutely. Science in
progress through the stars.
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Yeah, it's kind of baked into
the show.
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So now you're sort of
backtracking and you're doing a
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show that examines that modern,
futuristic, unconventional
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learning environment that
created that world. So I'm
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wondering, like, you know, in
terms of your research, did you
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look at, like, Montessori
schools or...
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You know, Klon Lara or things
like, things that were like, you
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know, different things than what
we think about a classroom,
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which is, you know, rows of
students and the teacher in the
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front, maybe seeing something
that was more what schools are
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like today or.
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I mean, in the people in my
industry, we tend to talk in
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film references. And so I said
to Alex, you know, what are,
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what are shows that kind of
reminds you of your college
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days? What reminds you of being
at school? And he was like, long
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pause. Said Dead Poets Society.
I was like, okay, do you have
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anything more 32nd Century?
Captain by Captain.
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And he's like, I think that's a
good reference. I was like,
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okay. And then I thought about
it and said, what in particular?
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He goes, you know, that kind of
the woodsy charm, you know, the
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intimacy of it. But I was like,
yeah. And then we talked about
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wood and I hadn't really thought
of wood as being a primary kind
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of material in Star Trek. But he
's like, I really want the
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warmth of wood.
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And so I was like, okay, you
want fries with that? So we did
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wood interiors. So we have a lot
of wood veneers everywhere, you
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know, all through the curving
corridors and the sort of
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students' academic areas of the
ship and in the chancellor's
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office. And, yeah, in the
atrium, there's a lot of wood.
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The tree planner is very upset
about that.
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By the way.
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I think it's for Granville,
Matt. It's not real wood.
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That's your answer to
everything. It's like, it's
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programmable matter. It's not a
dead body from a planet.
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Is the cherry tree programmable
matter too? Because it's always
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in bloom. Or is that just like
genetics?
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Weirdly, between us, it's an
apple tree. Oh, it is? The
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actual structure of it is an
apple tree. And all the blossoms
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were kind of hand-threaded on by
Jim, our head of greens. So they
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spent a couple months building
those trees. You They can swivel
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for camera.
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They can come up and off and off
their stands and be moved for
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camera. And they've got kind of
light-up kind of elements to
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them, like twinkle lights that
are built right into the
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branches. And, yeah, they're
quite adaptable.
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Well, what was the significance
of having a giant cherry tree in
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the center of the atrium of the
school?
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So Alex is kind of the sci-fi
end of the show, and Noga, the
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other showrunner, you know, she
's very much the kind of the
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romance.
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Of the story and you know when
we're designing the atrium i
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actually designed two atriums
and pitched both and one loved
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one the other one loved the
other i was like okay that was a
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bad move i should have designed
one atrium and you know no it
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was like you know i just want
something magical you know
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something you know like and i
think Alex was one said like
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cherry trees you know, emboss
them. And I was like, why not?
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You could have those and they
were like reflecting pools would
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be nice because originally those
reflecting pools were going to
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be sort of wells looking into
the deeper kind of technical
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sort of shafts of the ship and
essentially down to like shuttle
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bay and they were like yeah so
we put in ponds and cherry trees
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and i kind of created seeding
niches around the cherries
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thinking that Yeah, I mean,
these are nice.
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Sort of intimate private moments
that you could shoot in the
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middle of a crowded atrium. And,
you know, often when we design
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big sets like that, it's always
about what we call walk and
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talks, where you've got actors
walking and talking, which
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essentially is the basis of most
past Star Trek seasons, people
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walking very slowly and talking.
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Or doors. Or environment, so
they could jog or run and talk.
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create these more kind of
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informal sort of private niches
everywhere where we could stage
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things.
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And so, you know, you're
creating these intimate sci-fi
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spaces. And I imagine that, you
know, there is a temptation to
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make everything look like a
nightclub in Las Vegas, you
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know, with all the lights and
chrome and all the stuff. How do
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you keep the language from
turning into, you know, crass
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commercialism, but actually have
some kind of like, you know, the
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core values of curiosity?
Science exploration and
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diversity?
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Well, you know, we wanted a show
that looked very different to
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Discovery. Discovery was very
much this very dark environment
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kind of outlined with LED
lighting.
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So it's very, you know, kind of
edgy sci-fi. And in this
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situation, we decided to go
with, you know, something that
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felt a lot more open and airy
and light. And You know, we had
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the big ensemble cast, so we
didn't want to just light one or
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two actors at a time.
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We wanted to have, you know,
like 50 or 100 or 200 actors all
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kind of lit. And we wanted to
have a lot of streaming sunlight
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coming into the sets from all
areas. So it was kind of, I
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guess, a reimagining of Star
Trek as this kind of sunny kind
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of, you know, depiction of life
in San Francisco. So we kind of,
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one of the...
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Conceits of that was to build a
three-story video wall at one
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end of the set that would have
like animated views of San
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Francisco or stars at warp or
you know stars at impulse or
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whatever it might be but when
we're on Earth we're going to
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push hard light in for that end
and that was maddox our sort of
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cinematographer for the pilot
and has actually stayed through
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both seasons and you know he
wanted to create a very sunny
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look so we kind of moved away
from the heavy heavy kind of use
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and abuse or overuse of LED
lighting.
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Although it does play a role.
You know, when we get a red
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alert, there's a lot of red
light everywhere. So we wanted
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to be able to create the
different sort of conditions of
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amber alert and red alert
through lighting. But the sets
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also have to kind of light
themselves. So we have to be
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able to go in, the board up
arrives, sets all the lighting,
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and then we start shooting.
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You know, in Starfleet Academy,
like Star Trek Discovery, we see
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a large number of, LGBTQ
characters, played by LGBTQ
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actors. Shocking.
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And you have lesbians in space.
I'm always going to say that. So
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you have a gem Hadar, the, the
lady gem Hadar, which is Laura
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Hawk.
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And, and it was very
controversial when her character
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was first announced because she,
you know, the, the gem Hadar's,
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aren't women, but, you know,
genetic engineering can bring
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back a species' ability to
replicate, and that's possibly
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what they would have done, and
maybe that will be part of an
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episode in the future.
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I know, I read recently that
some of my fifth-central samurai
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warriors were actually women. I
don't know if that's true. So,
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yeah, I don't know that, you
know, the way we necessarily,
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yeah, perceptions change, right?
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But you guys are having, like,
two very... Well-loved and
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celebrated lesbian comedians,
Gina and Tig Notaro, playing a
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couple. And, you know, I'm
hoping that they're going to
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have them, like, show what their
quarters are like. And is that
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something that has been designed
for that? Like, you know, a
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lesbian home in space?
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No, we didn't design their
quarters, but they do. Their
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progression in the relationship
is a feature of season two.
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Okay.
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Ooh, a sneak peek.
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It is covered.
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And then you have Kareem Dian
playing the first openly gay.
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Well, the first. Yeah, there are
other gay Klingons. Alexander
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was rumored to be one.
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Were they out?
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Next generation. But first
openly gay Klingon, Jaden Krag.
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In a, I guess a love triangle
with Darem, Ramey and. And what
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's the name of the demon twink?
And Kyle.
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And Kyle. Yeah.
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We don't trust Kyle in this
house.
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Nobody's trusting Kyle.
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Because he's good looking.
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No, because he's from the Demon
Twink planet.
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Or he's from the War College.
So, you know, he's kind of like
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Slytherin.
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He is very Slytherin, right? And
so, you know, and something, I
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just, something's not adding up
here. Something's going to
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happen. And poor Jaden's going
to get his heart. Don't Klingons
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have multiple hearts, too?
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They do.
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Yeah, so he's got both of his
hearts broken.
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Well, the Gem Heart, I do,
actually. Do you think I'm
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going? I don't know. Yeah,
sorry. I took that back. I did
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that out.
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I think they have two penises or
something going on.
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Yeah, don't they have two dicks?
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So, like, you know, it's
interesting seeing this, like,
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you know, same-sex but
interspecies relationship here.
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And a lot of the characters in
Starfleet Academy are
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interspecies, you know. Which
leads me to the question is
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like, you know, biologically in
the future, I guess it's all out
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the window, right?
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I don't know. I'm not a
scientist. We actually do have a
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science consultant, Erin
MacDonald, on the show. She's a,
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I believe she's in Berkeley and
she's an astrophysicist, I
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believe. So often we would get
the scripts, I'd read them and
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I'd be like.
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That makes no sense. What does
that mean? What is an unstable
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quasar?
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What is a gravitational eddy? So
she would get on the phone and
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she would kind of explain
everything and then have to go
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back to the writers and say,
okay, this is what we can
449
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:40,640
afford. This is what we can do.
How does this work? And, you
450
00:26:40,641 --> 00:26:45,803
know, gradually kind of move it
to something that kind of met
451
00:26:45,943 --> 00:26:51,306
the scientific sort of test
And... Could also meet the
452
00:26:51,686 --> 00:26:54,728
visual effects and practical set
building costs as well.
453
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:58,631
So you're yourself in your
everyday life. You're a
454
00:26:58,651 --> 00:26:59,271
bodybuilder.
455
00:27:02,213 --> 00:27:03,855
I train pretty intensively, yes.
456
00:27:04,015 --> 00:27:07,377
Yeah, and you look phenomenal,
and we'll post pictures of you.
457
00:27:08,718 --> 00:27:12,801
So we're creating the idea that
you're shirtless at work.
458
00:27:13,901 --> 00:27:14,082
Yeah.
459
00:27:14,762 --> 00:27:18,004
But you wear clothes when you
work, building the sets for
460
00:27:18,064 --> 00:27:18,945
Starfleet Academy.
461
00:27:20,406 --> 00:27:23,067
And, you know, I imagine that,
you know, all this discussion
462
00:27:23,187 --> 00:27:28,411
about the future and technology
and genetic engineering is
463
00:27:28,451 --> 00:27:32,254
getting the wheels turning in
your head. And, you know,
464
00:27:32,754 --> 00:27:36,436
bodybuilding is something you're
very passionate about. What do
465
00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:39,759
you think, like, bodybuilding
would look like a thousand years
466
00:27:39,779 --> 00:27:40,119
from now?
467
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,842
Well, I mean, I think it would
have moved on from, you know,
468
00:27:45,042 --> 00:27:47,804
the tricks that hardcore
bodybuilders use today. I'm sure
469
00:27:47,805 --> 00:27:48,725
it would move into.
470
00:27:50,221 --> 00:27:56,005
Genetics. And, you know, once
you have all that alien DNA at
471
00:27:56,006 --> 00:28:00,847
your disposal, just imagine the
possibilities of splicing them
472
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:01,768
together, I guess.
473
00:28:03,429 --> 00:28:06,150
But yeah, I mean, you could
have, I guess, like myostatin
474
00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:07,711
suppression in genetics.
475
00:28:09,432 --> 00:28:14,875
You could have like IGF kind of
growth, sort of elements kind of
476
00:28:14,935 --> 00:28:22,460
added right into the DNA. So I
think there's, yeah, I think
477
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,444
we've moved away from, I guess,
you know, roids, insulin or, you
478
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:33,267
know, human growth hormone. And
I think by 32nd century, my
479
00:28:33,307 --> 00:28:37,810
hardcore bodybuilders would have
a lot more kind of genetic
480
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:40,052
options, like genetic splicing
at their disposal.
481
00:28:40,092 --> 00:28:44,214
But I don't know. I mean, that
whole fetishization of the male
482
00:28:44,275 --> 00:28:48,598
physique, it might just be a,
you know, 21st century. It may
483
00:28:48,658 --> 00:28:52,601
not be so prevalent down the
road. You know, once you've met
484
00:28:52,681 --> 00:28:56,525
other species, there might be a
whole other kind of aesthetic
485
00:28:56,625 --> 00:28:57,426
preoccupation.
486
00:28:57,906 --> 00:29:00,689
Well, because all the, you know,
humans and other species are
487
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:01,229
having sex.
488
00:29:02,931 --> 00:29:03,271
Yeah.
489
00:29:03,272 --> 00:29:06,554
And part of bodybuilding is the
fascination that, you know,
490
00:29:06,934 --> 00:29:12,159
whether it's sexual or athletic
with a body that's very
491
00:29:12,699 --> 00:29:14,361
developed athletically.
492
00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:18,255
And so, you know, in terms of
today, you know, we sort of can
493
00:29:18,295 --> 00:29:21,276
predict into the future by
looking at what kind of changes
494
00:29:21,296 --> 00:29:24,178
have happened within the last
hundred years, which is
495
00:29:24,698 --> 00:29:27,660
basically what bodybuilding has
been around. And there are
496
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:31,722
athletes already born with
naturally with myostatin turned
497
00:29:31,822 --> 00:29:34,444
off, similar to double muscle.
498
00:29:36,305 --> 00:29:39,126
I think Arnie Schwarzenegger had
very little natural, natural,
499
00:29:39,206 --> 00:29:42,808
has very little natural, natural
myostatin in his system. And
500
00:29:42,888 --> 00:29:43,869
Flax Wheeler, too.
501
00:29:44,569 --> 00:29:48,292
Famous for that as well. But
most people, according to
502
00:29:48,332 --> 00:29:52,055
studies who have low myostatin,
don't get into bodybuilding
503
00:29:52,056 --> 00:29:54,137
because there's not much of a
challenge for it.
504
00:29:54,757 --> 00:29:57,480
And, you know, in terms of Star
Trek, it's it's it's really
505
00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:01,043
important to think about, you
know, what happens in the future
506
00:30:01,443 --> 00:30:05,506
when people don't have to work
for money and all your food and,
507
00:30:06,127 --> 00:30:10,891
you know, financial and physical
needs are not only met, but also
508
00:30:11,731 --> 00:30:16,637
developed to the your. Wildest
imagination. And as a designer,
509
00:30:16,857 --> 00:30:21,763
I'm curious to think about like,
what does luxury look like in
510
00:30:21,803 --> 00:30:22,825
this world for you?
511
00:30:24,109 --> 00:30:27,051
It's interesting because in Star
Trek, we don't have brands. We
512
00:30:27,091 --> 00:30:31,033
only have the Delta. Everything
is federation issued. So there's
513
00:30:31,073 --> 00:30:35,435
no real sense of, you know, that
culture of want or consumerism
514
00:30:35,515 --> 00:30:40,418
or people kind of wanting for,
you know, Louis Vuitton or, you
515
00:30:40,419 --> 00:30:42,079
know, Maserati's.
516
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,861
There isn't really like a
federalization of, you know,
517
00:30:45,921 --> 00:30:49,203
brands, which is kind of very
much a preoccupation now. I
518
00:30:49,204 --> 00:30:52,997
guess the hope is that by the
32nd century, we've kind of. Rid
519
00:30:53,057 --> 00:30:55,860
ourselves of that kind of
enslavement.
520
00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:58,722
Yeah. And it's kind of strange
to see like the show being
521
00:30:58,762 --> 00:31:03,486
criticized by, you know, people
who tend to align themselves
522
00:31:03,586 --> 00:31:07,009
with conservative values. Right.
Because I'm like, well, this
523
00:31:07,069 --> 00:31:11,652
show is kind of defining itself
by being against these kind of
524
00:31:11,672 --> 00:31:14,435
things or creating a world of
what it would be like if we
525
00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:17,537
don't have to worry about money,
where we have diversity, where
526
00:31:17,878 --> 00:31:21,200
we have a more, we have a,
ironically, a militaristic
527
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,921
structure.
528
00:31:22,265 --> 00:31:27,367
But it's also non-hierarchical
and encouraged to challenge and
529
00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:31,048
question authority and to take
initiative. And certainly we see
530
00:31:31,088 --> 00:31:35,629
that in Starfleet Academy is,
you know, a lot of the lessons
531
00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:39,811
that the students have to learn
is how to break the rules in a
532
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:40,731
constructive manner.
533
00:31:41,351 --> 00:31:45,013
Or use diplomacy rather than
violence. Like it's.
534
00:31:46,393 --> 00:31:49,236
One of the conceits of the show
was that there had been the burn
535
00:31:49,296 --> 00:31:51,858
and then the War College had
been created, which was all
536
00:31:51,898 --> 00:31:57,703
about preparing people to fight.
And then as, I guess, everybody
537
00:31:57,783 --> 00:32:04,128
kind of calmed down and realized
that, you know, offensive
538
00:32:04,168 --> 00:32:08,612
aggression was not always going
to fix things. There was a fresh
539
00:32:08,632 --> 00:32:12,395
approach of kind of
reinstituting the Starfleet
540
00:32:12,396 --> 00:32:14,657
Academy and sort of bringing
that up again. So...
541
00:32:15,197 --> 00:32:17,478
And then there is that kind of
tension, kind of like in Harry
542
00:32:17,538 --> 00:32:20,859
Potter, I guess, between the
different kind of houses of the
543
00:32:20,879 --> 00:32:23,979
school that, you know, you have
the War College on the one side
544
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,380
and you have Starfleet Academy
and then you have like a bank
545
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:30,261
war and everything else that
happens. But it creates that
546
00:32:30,301 --> 00:32:34,382
natural tension between two kind
of bodies of thought. But, you
547
00:32:34,383 --> 00:32:36,383
know, when the chips are down,
they kind of come together.
548
00:32:36,823 --> 00:32:38,743
And Tilly is the Hufflepuffs.
549
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:45,365
That is such a geek specific
joke. Wait. Three people on the
550
00:32:45,366 --> 00:32:49,148
planet Earth get. No one else is
going to get that. But back to
551
00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:53,590
bodybuilding in the future.
Like, you know, let's assume
552
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:56,211
that it does exist, you know,
that our people like. And we
553
00:32:56,231 --> 00:33:01,915
certainly, you know, see finally
Sandro Rosta playing Caleb Mayer
554
00:33:02,675 --> 00:33:06,757
is finally probably the most
muscular actor to play any
555
00:33:06,817 --> 00:33:07,958
character on Star Trek.
556
00:33:08,458 --> 00:33:12,320
Yeah. He's very big. Yeah. He
often he actually invited me to
557
00:33:12,321 --> 00:33:15,501
go train with him. And I was
like, You don't want to be
558
00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:18,502
outcompeted. Oh, my God. You
have to.
559
00:33:20,203 --> 00:33:23,984
Oh, my God. You have to go work
out with him and take pictures
560
00:33:24,004 --> 00:33:25,224
and post that on your Instagram.
561
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:25,964
Oh, right.
562
00:33:27,124 --> 00:33:28,725
Do you want the show to continue
or not?
563
00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:31,006
Okay. Whatever it takes, I
guess.
564
00:33:31,186 --> 00:33:34,486
Yeah. And make sure you, you
know, pose together. Yeah.
565
00:33:34,487 --> 00:33:35,967
I'd love to see what he does for
training.
566
00:33:37,187 --> 00:33:40,508
Well, you both have really great
developed muscular bodies.
567
00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:42,409
Oh, thank you. Yeah.
568
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:47,251
Yeah, it's either that or they
would kind of put our actors
569
00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:51,874
into a muscle suit, which is
sometimes happens that we, you
570
00:33:51,875 --> 00:33:54,555
know, actually kind of beef up
our actors a little bit. With
571
00:33:54,615 --> 00:33:57,780
the tailoring and everything.
And not just that, actually, it
572
00:33:57,780 --> 00:34:01,919
's like a kind of latex foam
rubber sort of suit that they
573
00:34:01,979 --> 00:34:05,141
wear underneath their actual
sort of wardrobe that kind of
574
00:34:05,341 --> 00:34:06,622
fills them out in a few places.
575
00:34:06,802 --> 00:34:10,944
I've noticed that the outfits
get filled out in a few other
576
00:34:10,984 --> 00:34:12,065
places, too.
577
00:34:12,665 --> 00:34:15,346
Yeah, every show does it. Like
cop shows, I've done, like,
578
00:34:15,726 --> 00:34:18,347
police charmers, where we've had
to kind of tailor all of our,
579
00:34:18,847 --> 00:34:20,567
you know, ballistic vests and
everything.
580
00:34:20,568 --> 00:34:26,269
I'm talking crotch shots. Well,
maybe they don't be the pattern.
581
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:29,210
Everybody's online is like,
these production designers know
582
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:32,090
what they're doing. It's a
close-up of their crotches.
583
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:36,031
Matthew, we appreciate you, and
we appreciate your work, if you
584
00:34:36,051 --> 00:34:36,952
know what I'm saying.
585
00:34:39,092 --> 00:34:41,593
Yeah, I can't claim credit for
any of that, unfortunately.
586
00:34:41,733 --> 00:34:42,474
That's costume.
587
00:34:42,534 --> 00:34:45,796
Well, we know that's why they
made the costumes Gray, because
588
00:34:45,856 --> 00:34:46,977
they're Gray sweatpants.
589
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,801
What will make people horny?
Gray sweatpants. How do we put
590
00:34:52,821 --> 00:34:53,721
this in a uniform?
591
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:57,984
But the series is very sexy, you
know, and part of that is
592
00:34:58,044 --> 00:35:01,287
because, you know, youthful
energy is going to bring that
593
00:35:01,347 --> 00:35:05,029
element to it. And it's really
nice to see Star Trek not being
594
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:09,172
this, you know, kind of people
have criticized the show in the
595
00:35:09,192 --> 00:35:12,675
past of having. Feel like it's
from New England, you know?
596
00:35:14,056 --> 00:35:19,139
Very sterile, in a sense. And
usually sexuality is used as a
597
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:24,483
comic relief. Like, I'm thinking
like Neelix dating the Klingon
598
00:35:24,563 --> 00:35:26,045
lady with the big boobs, you
know?
599
00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:27,125
Yeah, yeah.
600
00:35:27,406 --> 00:35:30,508
And now we're sort of seeing,
you know, not just same-sex
601
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:34,371
relationships, but all kinds of
sexuality presented in a very
602
00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:39,698
matter-of-fact and integral to
the plot. Of the show, you know?
603
00:35:39,699 --> 00:35:41,999
So are we, basically, are we
going to start seeing, you know,
604
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,480
romantic scenes with the Klingon
and the demon Twink?
605
00:35:46,601 --> 00:35:52,883
Kyle. I mean, Kyle is definitely
in the second season. I'd say in
606
00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:57,365
the second season of the show.
And yeah, I guess if you want
607
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,205
more of that, you have to.
608
00:35:58,585 --> 00:35:58,865
Right.
609
00:35:59,786 --> 00:36:01,967
Right. Yeah. Express your
interest.
610
00:36:01,968 --> 00:36:05,348
We need to do a, refilm some of
these shots to please Mark and
611
00:36:05,368 --> 00:36:05,828
Fausto.
612
00:36:08,446 --> 00:36:12,929
We played Klingons once in a
Chicago had a version of a
613
00:36:13,029 --> 00:36:15,972
Klingon Christmas carol. And so
the guy that put it together
614
00:36:16,012 --> 00:36:19,375
invited us to come on and and do
a couple of lines. So we got
615
00:36:19,415 --> 00:36:22,657
dressed up as Klingons. It was
really a lot of fun. It was nice
616
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:24,939
about the lines. We didn't even
have to memorize them completely
617
00:36:25,019 --> 00:36:28,522
because they were on like a TV
screen above us. So we could
618
00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:30,064
just basically read them.
619
00:36:31,084 --> 00:36:35,368
So I had to say that sometimes
for actors to kiss, kiss my dark
620
00:36:35,568 --> 00:36:37,513
chief jar. Do you know what that
means?
621
00:36:38,174 --> 00:36:38,294
No.
622
00:36:38,754 --> 00:36:40,375
May you enjoy Christmas.
623
00:36:42,056 --> 00:36:44,397
You actually sounded like Jean
LaCheu saying it as well.
624
00:36:44,437 --> 00:36:47,679
Thank you. It's my, the demon
voice and the Klingon voice is
625
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,540
the same thing, you know. I
mean, that comes with
626
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,062
bodybuilding, you know, you're
grunting, you know, and there
627
00:36:54,122 --> 00:36:57,064
comes, you know, and you start
sounding like a Klingon. Now, in
628
00:36:57,065 --> 00:37:00,386
the future, you know, a thousand
years in the future there, you
629
00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:03,247
know, in terms of categories,
we've already seen
630
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,289
diversification of.
631
00:37:06,509 --> 00:37:10,632
Categories so like originally in
arnold's time there was only one
632
00:37:10,692 --> 00:37:15,496
category and now we have you
know classic physique physique
633
00:37:15,997 --> 00:37:22,042
open bodybuilding wellness and
so and and we can see future
634
00:37:22,062 --> 00:37:27,766
categories sprouting involving
as as humanity responds to new
635
00:37:29,408 --> 00:37:33,371
abilities and challenges right
and so one thing i was thinking
636
00:37:33,391 --> 00:37:36,153
it was like we probably will
still have natural as a
637
00:37:36,173 --> 00:37:41,676
category, but then we'll also
have augmented, which is DNA and
638
00:37:41,696 --> 00:37:43,336
other types of medical things,
right?
639
00:37:44,077 --> 00:37:44,217
Yeah.
640
00:37:44,877 --> 00:37:49,799
But we would also have enhanced,
like, what is it a term when
641
00:37:49,899 --> 00:37:56,722
Star Trek uses when they put,
you know, like the Borg. Cyborg.
642
00:37:56,802 --> 00:38:00,224
Cybernetic implants, you know?
So imagine, like, your hips
643
00:38:00,664 --> 00:38:03,045
being replaced or your knees
being replaced with...
644
00:38:03,485 --> 00:38:06,468
Mechanical components that are
actually superior to what the
645
00:38:06,488 --> 00:38:10,292
body does naturally yeah you
might be able to get a
646
00:38:10,312 --> 00:38:15,097
replacement heart one that can
actually cope with a much higher
647
00:38:15,197 --> 00:38:19,261
sort of cardiac sort of output
and kind of allow you to you
648
00:38:19,262 --> 00:38:23,286
know super oxygenate your
muscles and equivalent being in
649
00:38:23,287 --> 00:38:27,549
a hyperbaric chamber you know
for your body and Yeah, you
650
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:29,190
could have, I guess, hollow
coaches.
651
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:31,591
So you could have like your own
personal instructor that kind of
652
00:38:31,611 --> 00:38:35,573
follows you around like a hollow
and internally regulates all
653
00:38:35,593 --> 00:38:38,355
your body systems. And, you
know.
654
00:38:38,356 --> 00:38:41,856
A lot of people are using AI
right now to to to train
655
00:38:41,896 --> 00:38:42,397
themselves.
656
00:38:43,433 --> 00:38:47,435
Yeah, there's absolutely no AI
right now for that.
657
00:38:47,436 --> 00:38:50,336
Well, like, you know, like there
's a lot of AI apps and people
658
00:38:50,356 --> 00:38:54,238
are using AI platforms to
develop nutrition plans and
659
00:38:54,278 --> 00:38:56,979
workouts and even steroid cycles
for themselves.
660
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:02,501
Now, be careful because they,
you know, I plugged in some
661
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:06,423
numbers for myself out of
curiosity and it was like, oh,
662
00:39:06,983 --> 00:39:11,993
do, you know, five plates of a
bench press. And I was like. I
663
00:39:11,994 --> 00:39:14,474
think you may be hallucinating
because that's definitely not
664
00:39:14,534 --> 00:39:16,075
within the realm of possibility.
665
00:39:16,656 --> 00:39:19,037
I had this conversation with AI
yesterday, actually. I was
666
00:39:19,197 --> 00:39:22,859
trying to post just a slideshow
kind of reel to my stories on
667
00:39:22,879 --> 00:39:24,700
Instagram, and I couldn't work
it out to get the music
668
00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:28,642
continuous. And I asked the same
question five times to chat GPT.
669
00:39:28,643 --> 00:39:31,704
I got five completely different
responses told with complete
670
00:39:31,724 --> 00:39:33,085
confidence. All of them were
wrong.
671
00:39:33,925 --> 00:39:37,027
And, yeah, I was like, what is
wrong with you? Why do you
672
00:39:37,407 --> 00:39:40,509
always give such a confident
answer? Like it's the definitive
673
00:39:40,549 --> 00:39:44,016
truth. And you're wrong. Like,
how does that keep happening?
674
00:39:44,017 --> 00:39:47,480
How does it happen five times in
a row? And yeah, I don't feel
675
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,923
like AI is something that people
should necessarily trust with
676
00:39:49,924 --> 00:39:50,704
their health right now.
677
00:39:51,405 --> 00:39:54,989
Well, once I'm a futurologist in
bodybuilding or writing about
678
00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:59,875
this and saying that
competitions might not even take
679
00:39:59,876 --> 00:39:59,975
place.
680
00:40:00,388 --> 00:40:04,390
In front of an audience, but
take place at home with, with
681
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:09,712
cameras and devices measuring
your body and you being like,
682
00:40:09,792 --> 00:40:13,974
okay, at this point in time,
you're the most aesthetic or you
683
00:40:13,975 --> 00:40:15,955
have a certain ratio that's
happening.
684
00:40:16,395 --> 00:40:18,996
But, you know, part of
bodybuilding is also it's
685
00:40:19,416 --> 00:40:24,718
artistic and it is subject to a
human being's reaction to seeing
686
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,500
you on stage. It's not an, not
something you can just say,
687
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:32,662
okay, if you're... Chest is 46
inches and your waist is 28
688
00:40:33,083 --> 00:40:34,804
inches, then you're the winner.
689
00:40:36,365 --> 00:40:38,706
Well, I guess in the 32nd
century, suddenly they have
690
00:40:38,726 --> 00:40:41,608
hollows. So you could, you know,
essentially it's like being
691
00:40:41,648 --> 00:40:45,770
there. The, the hollows in 32nd
century kind of interact with
692
00:40:45,771 --> 00:40:48,892
the spaces. If there's stairs,
they go up the stairs, you know,
693
00:40:48,972 --> 00:40:53,715
they are, tantamount to like a
physical kind of presence.
694
00:40:54,516 --> 00:40:57,112
Although they, glitch ever so
slightly so we know that the
695
00:40:57,153 --> 00:41:03,314
hollows but yeah i i mean i
guess it does allow people to
696
00:41:04,034 --> 00:41:07,195
travel for competition without
actually traveling so yeah it
697
00:41:07,196 --> 00:41:10,216
kind of makes sense yeah well
nutrition is an interesting
698
00:41:10,276 --> 00:41:13,057
thing a lot of people have
talked about start that on Star
699
00:41:13,117 --> 00:41:16,718
Trek is like you could have the
perfect diet you eat whatever
700
00:41:16,738 --> 00:41:20,019
you want and then use the
transporter to beam it out of
701
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:20,659
your stomach.
702
00:41:22,959 --> 00:41:24,520
So it's a futuristic bulimia.
703
00:41:25,196 --> 00:41:26,257
You found a hack already.
704
00:41:27,858 --> 00:41:30,540
Well, it's not my idea. Like,
people have made videos about
705
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,223
this stuff, you know. And part
of it is, like, I was thinking
706
00:41:34,243 --> 00:41:36,945
about, you know, in the terms of
the history of nutrition and
707
00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:41,288
sci-fi, the most iconic thing we
think about is, like, pills. You
708
00:41:41,308 --> 00:41:45,831
know, and the Jetsons, most
famously, they're either eating
709
00:41:45,911 --> 00:41:49,134
pills or they have pills on a
plate and they pour water and
710
00:41:49,135 --> 00:41:51,856
it, you know, instantly turns
into a turkey dinner.
711
00:41:52,412 --> 00:41:55,894
Or in Back to the Future, where
they have a dehydrated pizza
712
00:41:56,294 --> 00:42:00,315
that they stick in a food
rehydrator, and it turns into
713
00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:03,917
this mouth-watering drill that's
just pizza. But the weird thing
714
00:42:03,937 --> 00:42:08,139
about Star Trek that never gets
addressed is showing, and of
715
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,500
course, you know, sci-fi is
whatever the writers want to
716
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:17,623
happen. But you have people from
different species and different
717
00:42:17,683 --> 00:42:20,444
planets, different evolutionary
paths.
718
00:42:21,368 --> 00:42:25,710
Eating the same food not not
actually technically no yeah the
719
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:31,512
Klingons they like blood stew
and that gets you know basically
720
00:42:31,973 --> 00:42:35,674
you know bean from the
replicator but yeah like a an
721
00:42:35,734 --> 00:42:38,335
earthling would have a different
diet so right.
722
00:42:38,375 --> 00:42:42,597
But if you if you ate you know
if your dog ate chocolate it
723
00:42:42,617 --> 00:42:47,119
would shit on itself and
possibly die right and people
724
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,090
think oh is it just chocolate
that dogs can't eat them. There
725
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:54,148
's a wide variety of foods and
human and dogs coexist and love
726
00:42:54,188 --> 00:42:58,171
each other for millennia, but we
don't eat the same foods. And so
727
00:42:58,351 --> 00:43:01,253
the thing that always drives me
crazy when I see, you know,
728
00:43:02,014 --> 00:43:03,415
Enelix in Voyager.
729
00:43:05,637 --> 00:43:09,240
There's a whole storyline around
that in Starfleet, actually. Oh,
730
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:13,604
there is. Oh, great. When they
eat banana. But yeah, there's
731
00:43:13,605 --> 00:43:17,927
kind of, yeah, it's a thing.
Yeah, it's covered.
732
00:43:19,148 --> 00:43:21,690
And so in the future, in terms
of bodybuilding, it'd be really
733
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:26,293
interesting to thinking about
how nutrition is going and
734
00:43:26,313 --> 00:43:29,716
technology is going to be not
only just feeding our bodies
735
00:43:29,756 --> 00:43:33,258
differently, but also allowing
our bodies to repair themselves
736
00:43:33,619 --> 00:43:40,784
almost instantaneously. And we
see these devices healing cuts,
737
00:43:41,364 --> 00:43:44,807
but we don't really think about
it in terms of recovery from
738
00:43:44,867 --> 00:43:46,308
exercise or strain.
739
00:43:46,568 --> 00:43:51,169
There was one episode in Next
Generation that somebody had
740
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:54,710
been playing, I guess, the
future equivalent of tennis. And
741
00:43:54,711 --> 00:43:58,131
they had a tennis elbow. And so
they went to the doctor, Beverly
742
00:43:58,191 --> 00:44:01,072
Crusher, and she just scans
their elbow and heals them
743
00:44:01,112 --> 00:44:01,572
instantly.
744
00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:04,053
But if you think about
bodybuilding in the future, if
745
00:44:04,054 --> 00:44:08,034
we have that kind of technology,
then you can train as hard as
746
00:44:08,035 --> 00:44:14,716
you want to and even break bones
and cartilage. Me But, you know,
747
00:44:14,976 --> 00:44:19,918
muscle grows when you're able to
optimize the healing. And so you
748
00:44:19,919 --> 00:44:24,639
can imagine this idea of healing
the body so efficiently to make
749
00:44:24,659 --> 00:44:27,160
it not challenging to build
muscle.
750
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,621
Yeah. No, absolutely. Actually,
we, in the second season, so a
751
00:44:33,221 --> 00:44:36,342
bit of a spoiler, but we kind of
redesigned our med bay and kind
752
00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:40,603
of brought in these devices that
kind of, you know, anticipate a
753
00:44:40,623 --> 00:44:42,684
lot of what you're talking
about. Yeah.
754
00:44:44,985 --> 00:44:48,568
How does bodybuilding look like
for you in your personal future?
755
00:44:48,588 --> 00:44:50,430
Because you work so hard.
756
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:54,193
Yeah, right? So I don't have
much of a life outside of work,
757
00:44:54,313 --> 00:44:55,014
to be honest.
758
00:44:56,575 --> 00:44:59,697
We work kind of 12-hour days. We
shoot 12-hour days. And then,
759
00:45:00,218 --> 00:45:02,680
you know, for the talent, it's
even worse because they have to
760
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,402
sometimes arrive hours ahead of
time for prosthetics and
761
00:45:05,462 --> 00:45:09,445
processing and makeup and
prosthetics before they even get
762
00:45:09,465 --> 00:45:12,047
to be on camera. And then it's a
12-hour shooting day.
763
00:45:12,127 --> 00:45:15,345
And then... A lot of departments
have to stay late to wrap, and
764
00:45:15,545 --> 00:45:19,726
by the time it's all said and
done, they only get eight hours
765
00:45:19,806 --> 00:45:25,848
of actual time to themselves. So
it's kind of hard to shoehorn in
766
00:45:25,928 --> 00:45:31,049
much of a life outside of that.
So for me, because I'm a
767
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:33,790
department head, I kind of abuse
my position a little bit.
768
00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:36,510
So I go home a little bit
earlier than the shooting crew
769
00:45:36,791 --> 00:45:41,572
most days, but I only really get
about 40 minutes in the gym a
770
00:45:41,592 --> 00:45:46,374
day. That's as much as I can
sort of manage and I kind of
771
00:45:46,394 --> 00:45:49,356
need it because it's, I suffer
from anxiety and depression. So
772
00:45:49,396 --> 00:45:53,758
it kind of regulates my mood.
That's my mood regulator.
773
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,201
So I don't know if I'd have the
same motivation to go to the gym
774
00:45:59,241 --> 00:46:04,544
if I wasn't, you know, kind of
motivated by that sort of desire
775
00:46:04,624 --> 00:46:07,826
to, yeah, kind of balance out my
mood.
776
00:46:08,086 --> 00:46:11,268
Well, when you're designing
these sets like it. Was there
777
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:16,010
any like, you know, let's make a
gym of the future?
778
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:19,732
I actually was asked to do a
gym. It was very hard because,
779
00:46:19,972 --> 00:46:22,393
you know, other than
anti-gravity weights, it's like,
780
00:46:22,394 --> 00:46:27,715
well, and what would a gym of
the future actually be? Because
781
00:46:27,775 --> 00:46:32,937
presumably you could just, you
know, transform muscle itself at
782
00:46:32,938 --> 00:46:36,278
a kind of structural level. You
wouldn't need to actually go
783
00:46:36,279 --> 00:46:38,439
through the whole process of
breaking down the muscle,
784
00:46:38,499 --> 00:46:40,240
rebuilding the muscle to have
thicker.
785
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:45,823
Muscle strands you could just
you know kind of call it up like
786
00:46:45,824 --> 00:46:50,586
a program on a machine so yeah
it's a good point like
787
00:46:50,606 --> 00:46:53,187
everything becomes very easy in
the future when you don't have
788
00:46:53,188 --> 00:46:56,369
to walk from a to b that was
actually another story conceit
789
00:46:56,429 --> 00:47:00,091
that you know they had the
transporter for some time but a
790
00:47:00,092 --> 00:47:02,432
lot of the scenes are written as
walk and talk like people are
791
00:47:02,433 --> 00:47:05,514
actually walking and talking so
why would they walk if they
792
00:47:05,534 --> 00:47:10,613
could just transport so we said
well okay let's maybe imagine
793
00:47:10,693 --> 00:47:13,374
that the transporter uses energy
and there's like an energy
794
00:47:13,474 --> 00:47:16,836
shortage so you know they don't
have enough energy credits to be
795
00:47:16,876 --> 00:47:20,518
able to transport from one place
to the other so they have to
796
00:47:20,558 --> 00:47:25,901
walk so yeah we don't really see
them exercising in Star Trek
797
00:47:25,981 --> 00:47:29,983
except for that ones i think one
or two scenes in next generation
798
00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:34,646
with beverly crush genesis oh
genesis does yeah i think her
799
00:47:34,706 --> 00:47:38,088
character she's up at like four
in the morning during kind of
800
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:38,608
push-ups.
801
00:47:39,744 --> 00:47:39,905
Yeah.
802
00:47:40,565 --> 00:47:43,627
Well, and part of it is, you
know, just like in, we've seen
803
00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:46,588
lots of characters doing this,
they call it old school, which
804
00:47:46,648 --> 00:47:51,771
is contemporary school for us.
But, you know, they're, they're
805
00:47:51,831 --> 00:47:59,916
wanting to gain access to their
history by experiencing it
806
00:48:00,196 --> 00:48:01,617
firsthand, what it was like.
807
00:48:03,098 --> 00:48:07,872
And so a lot of characters do,
do things like cooking. Which
808
00:48:07,892 --> 00:48:11,915
you don't really need to cook in
the Star Trek world. But knowing
809
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:15,557
how to cook and being good at
cooking, even if you're feeding
810
00:48:16,597 --> 00:48:20,719
a species that might die because
they're allergic to water.
811
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,042
You've got like Calric and his
tea fetish, and he's all about
812
00:48:26,142 --> 00:48:29,084
preparing tea in a particular
way, and everything has to be
813
00:48:29,124 --> 00:48:33,186
done in a very ritualistic kind
of way. But I guess for his
814
00:48:33,226 --> 00:48:37,929
character, it's kind of a
therapeutic. Kind of deal where
815
00:48:37,969 --> 00:48:43,492
he's kind of, there's a calming
kind of respectful tradition
816
00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:45,353
there with tea for his
character.
817
00:48:45,473 --> 00:48:49,416
So I guess each character, it's
kind of what defines the quirks
818
00:48:49,417 --> 00:48:52,337
of those characters. The fact
that, you know, in a world where
819
00:48:52,417 --> 00:48:56,099
everything could be really
simple, they choose to, they
820
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,301
pick and choose what to
incorporate into their lives.
821
00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:03,204
Well, and Vulcans are no longer
called Vulcans in Starfleet
822
00:49:03,244 --> 00:49:07,610
Academy. Is what I was hearing,
watching in the last episode
823
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:08,390
that aired.
824
00:49:08,391 --> 00:49:11,152
They're still Vulcans, but their
planet is called a different
825
00:49:11,153 --> 00:49:11,832
thing. Oh, okay.
826
00:49:11,912 --> 00:49:14,793
That's right. We don't live on
Earth.
827
00:49:14,794 --> 00:49:16,394
We live on humans.
828
00:49:19,256 --> 00:49:26,220
Yeah, there wasn't much
appearance of Vulcans in the
829
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,742
first season, certainly, of
Starfleet Academy. There are new
830
00:49:31,502 --> 00:49:34,164
cultures being introduced into
canon in the second season.
831
00:49:35,145 --> 00:49:38,969
So you can wait and see. And,
you know, in terms of, because
832
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:42,653
we're wrapping up here, you
know, in terms of like looking
833
00:49:42,993 --> 00:49:46,811
back on your work that you've
done for this show. And you're
834
00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:50,854
walking around and what's like
to you to just like, Oh my God,
835
00:49:50,974 --> 00:49:55,155
I can't believe I made this like
that's your most proudest of.
836
00:49:55,697 --> 00:49:58,637
Well, okay. First of all, I
can't take, claim exclusive
837
00:49:58,658 --> 00:50:02,820
credit to anything like that. I
have a small army of people kind
838
00:50:02,822 --> 00:50:03,441
of working with me.
839
00:50:05,102 --> 00:50:08,584
And have, you know, a wonderful
like paint and construction
840
00:50:08,624 --> 00:50:13,648
team, set deck team, props team,
you know, We have mold shops,
841
00:50:13,688 --> 00:50:17,370
mold makers, 3D printers going
night and day, like 24-7, all
842
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:18,812
through Christmas, people are
coming in.
843
00:50:20,233 --> 00:50:23,215
You know, when people say, this
is AI, no, we didn't use AI for
844
00:50:23,216 --> 00:50:27,099
the show at all. Everything that
you see on camera was created in
845
00:50:27,139 --> 00:50:28,800
some shape or form by a human
being.
846
00:50:30,341 --> 00:50:36,006
And, yeah, it's but when I walk
into the atrium every time, I
847
00:50:36,305 --> 00:50:42,591
kind of think, what was I
thinking? Because I just... The
848
00:50:42,631 --> 00:50:45,811
show had always been, you know,
these little kind of airlocked
849
00:50:45,892 --> 00:50:50,394
spaces and kind of separated
from one another. And I remember
850
00:50:50,753 --> 00:50:54,015
when I got the first script and
it talked about Satter Atrium
851
00:50:54,055 --> 00:50:56,015
and this kind of 20-story
atrium.
852
00:50:56,035 --> 00:50:58,197
And I said to Alex, do you
really mean this? Like, it
853
00:50:58,718 --> 00:51:01,878
sounds like a cruise ship. This
is big. He goes, yeah, I want to
854
00:51:01,918 --> 00:51:06,640
make it big. And so we kind of,
to budgetarily make it possible,
855
00:51:06,642 --> 00:51:11,202
we rolled a lot of sets into one
big meta set. So classrooms,
856
00:51:11,262 --> 00:51:11,843
bleachers.
857
00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:17,004
Mess halls you know we threw all
the money into one big pot and
858
00:51:17,024 --> 00:51:22,506
then yeah we built you know the
biggest set in Star Trek history
859
00:51:22,606 --> 00:51:28,207
it's 65 feet tall it's I can't
remember what the square footage
860
00:51:28,207 --> 00:51:30,388
is but it's the biggest
soundstage in Canada when it was
861
00:51:30,428 --> 00:51:33,769
built it was the biggest
soundstage in the world and it
862
00:51:33,909 --> 00:51:37,110
fills it and everything is
rigged to fly you know our
863
00:51:37,669 --> 00:51:40,011
amazing sort of rep department
kind of designed it so
864
00:51:40,031 --> 00:51:43,493
everything is essentially wild
for camera it can all be moved
865
00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:48,296
and yeah when you walk into that
space and it's all lit and that
866
00:51:48,356 --> 00:51:51,459
three-story video wall is up and
running it's kind of
867
00:51:51,479 --> 00:51:54,962
overwhelming it feels you know
like you have it's truly
868
00:51:55,021 --> 00:51:58,524
immersive the video wall is
three stories yes.
869
00:51:58,865 --> 00:52:01,006
And that's the kind of video
wall that they film like other
870
00:52:01,106 --> 00:52:05,070
tv shows like the Mandalorian it
's famous yeah but is that the
871
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:05,890
same thing Thank you.
872
00:52:06,671 --> 00:52:10,834
Almost. It's not live tracked to
the camera, but we have control
873
00:52:10,894 --> 00:52:14,495
through Unreal Engine of the
assets. We can move it. We do
874
00:52:14,535 --> 00:52:17,097
have another wall. We call it
the wall, the virtual production
875
00:52:17,137 --> 00:52:20,459
wall, which is that, which is
like a horseshoe shaped wall. It
876
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,401
has a video monitors on the
ceiling, the walls, you know,
877
00:52:24,481 --> 00:52:30,485
that is also, you know, we a lot
of what you see that people
878
00:52:30,505 --> 00:52:32,626
assume is done in
post-production. It isn't. We
879
00:52:32,986 --> 00:52:33,267
shoot it.
880
00:52:33,827 --> 00:52:37,528
Live in camera into the wall and
we prepare those assets usually
881
00:52:37,608 --> 00:52:42,528
three four months out and you
know we have blend days where we
882
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:45,749
go down to the wall and stand
there with cinematographer and
883
00:52:45,970 --> 00:52:49,591
Alex and Noga and the director
and we and you know tindy and
884
00:52:49,651 --> 00:52:52,091
everyone else that's kind of
creatively involved with the
885
00:52:52,111 --> 00:52:57,653
show and we yeah we we look at
it and we make adjustments to it
886
00:52:57,774 --> 00:53:01,635
and so that when it shoots on
the day, it all kind of looks
887
00:53:01,695 --> 00:53:02,115
seamless.
888
00:53:03,135 --> 00:53:07,238
And for people who may not be
familiar with this technology, I
889
00:53:07,258 --> 00:53:12,061
think it was developed or
pioneered during Star Wars and
890
00:53:12,061 --> 00:53:16,403
the Mandalorian in order to save
money, but also to expand the
891
00:53:16,423 --> 00:53:20,087
world where all the action takes
place. And essentially it's a
892
00:53:20,167 --> 00:53:24,510
giant wall that is synchronized
most of the time with a camera.
893
00:53:25,189 --> 00:53:29,153
So it creates this illusion that
they're out in the desert or in
894
00:53:29,153 --> 00:53:31,954
a faraway place, but they're
just in a soundstage.
895
00:53:32,798 --> 00:53:34,959
Yeah, that's correct. So
everything is live tracked to
896
00:53:34,961 --> 00:53:37,300
the camera. We have sensors
around the space, which kind of
897
00:53:37,301 --> 00:53:40,260
knows what lens the camera is
using, which direction it's
898
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,122
pointing in. Everything just
virtually extends into the wall
899
00:53:43,222 --> 00:53:47,043
so that there's no real kind of
visible interruption between the
900
00:53:47,062 --> 00:53:48,363
physical set and the virtual.
901
00:53:49,104 --> 00:53:51,584
And they use it a lot for sci-fi
because you create such
902
00:53:51,644 --> 00:53:53,845
extraordinary things, but they
even use it for something like
903
00:53:53,865 --> 00:53:57,506
heated rivalry. That scene where
they're like at the beach, you
904
00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:00,606
know, there's just sitting on
imported sand in a studio
905
00:54:00,747 --> 00:54:01,726
watching a sunset.
906
00:54:02,399 --> 00:54:05,421
Yeah. And you know what? That's
not even like traditional sand.
907
00:54:05,441 --> 00:54:08,624
The sand we use is a special
sand. It's actually got like a
908
00:54:08,664 --> 00:54:13,368
Crayola crayon dye in it. And so
it doesn't track or get into the
909
00:54:13,408 --> 00:54:19,032
camera or the wall. It's like
$30,000 to fill the volume with
910
00:54:19,072 --> 00:54:19,773
that sand.
911
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:24,356
That's interesting because like
people were criticizing heated
912
00:54:24,416 --> 00:54:26,858
rivalry. The people in Florida,
they're like, that's not
913
00:54:26,938 --> 00:54:28,039
Floridian sand.
914
00:54:28,363 --> 00:54:34,908
It's not if they use the wall no
well you know you're living in
915
00:54:34,909 --> 00:54:37,590
Canada so i imagine that you
know people must be super
916
00:54:37,850 --> 00:54:40,872
excited about heated rivalry and
everything especially you being
917
00:54:40,872 --> 00:54:43,154
in Toronto where i know i
actually i actually got sent the
918
00:54:43,173 --> 00:54:48,578
scripts for it and called my
agent was like no i didn't know
919
00:54:48,579 --> 00:54:53,481
it was going to be such a huge
success but yeah i yeah oh no
920
00:54:53,501 --> 00:54:56,570
regrets i've been on Star Trek
you're on Star Trek you I mean,
921
00:54:56,571 --> 00:54:57,731
that's a pretty big deal.
922
00:54:58,411 --> 00:55:02,353
In terms of your work and
legacy, you've done so much
923
00:55:02,373 --> 00:55:06,814
amazing work elsewhere, and you
have an amazing body of work. In
924
00:55:06,834 --> 00:55:10,356
terms of This Starfleet Academy,
because we're big fans, we enjoy
925
00:55:10,376 --> 00:55:17,359
the show, but in terms of youth,
LGBTQ youth, outsiders and
926
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,561
misfits, what do you feel like
they're walking into your vision
927
00:55:22,581 --> 00:55:23,281
of the future?
928
00:55:24,662 --> 00:55:28,123
Do you hope they take away from
that?
929
00:55:28,124 --> 00:55:31,564
I guess that everyone's welcome
at that table. I just don't feel
930
00:55:31,664 --> 00:55:36,405
like we should be excluding
anyone. People are beautiful. We
931
00:55:36,445 --> 00:55:40,086
should just celebrate diversity.
I know it sounds cliche, but
932
00:55:41,047 --> 00:55:46,468
trying to take away the voice of
people is never progress for any
933
00:55:46,848 --> 00:55:48,649
civilization, any species.
934
00:55:50,189 --> 00:55:54,863
And that was Gene Roddenberry's.
Core tenant of the show was
935
00:55:54,864 --> 00:56:01,026
that, you know, that races work
together to make things better.
936
00:56:01,027 --> 00:56:02,747
And this is the only way we can
progress.
937
00:56:03,608 --> 00:56:06,910
Well, and certainly, you know,
Carl Sagan's works and books
938
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:11,392
influenced the next generation,
literally. And there's a Carl
939
00:56:11,452 --> 00:56:15,334
Sagan station. And, you know, if
you if you do want to go back to
940
00:56:15,335 --> 00:56:19,977
the source materials and are you
big fan of Star Trek, I highly
941
00:56:20,037 --> 00:56:22,198
recommend reading Carl Sagan's
Contact.
942
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:26,112
Or a pale blue dot, Contact was
turned into a film with Jodie
943
00:56:26,113 --> 00:56:29,853
Foster. And, you know, it brings
up all these interesting
944
00:56:30,233 --> 00:56:35,215
questions and allegories that
challenge us and inspire us to
945
00:56:35,756 --> 00:56:37,997
create the best world possible
for everybody.
946
00:56:38,957 --> 00:56:42,319
Yeah, there's a whole universe
out there that we don't yet
947
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:48,581
know. And I think imagining what
that could be is kind of key to,
948
00:56:48,981 --> 00:56:50,262
you know, what Star Trek is
about.
949
00:56:50,974 --> 00:56:55,257
Well, yeah, it was at Auntie
Mame said, life is a banquet,
950
00:56:55,337 --> 00:56:59,501
darling. And those most poor
suckers are starving to death.
951
00:57:01,202 --> 00:57:04,625
And certainly, you know, I hope
that the show inspires people to
952
00:57:05,345 --> 00:57:09,809
boldly go where they haven't
gone before and seek exciting
953
00:57:09,849 --> 00:57:14,152
new civilizations and adventures
and get out of their comfort
954
00:57:14,232 --> 00:57:14,512
zone.
955
00:57:15,193 --> 00:57:15,953
Yeah, we hope so.
956
00:57:17,406 --> 00:57:21,647
Matthew, thank you so much for
talking to us about Star Trek
957
00:57:21,927 --> 00:57:25,168
Starfleet Academy. Is that the
I'm like, what is that? It's
958
00:57:25,208 --> 00:57:25,468
not. Yeah.
959
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:30,890
Star Trek colon Starfleet
Academy. Oh, just Starfleet
960
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:31,330
Academy.
961
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:35,431
Starfleet Academy. It's a really
fun show. I hope it continues
962
00:57:35,451 --> 00:57:39,772
and has the legacy and the
impact that all the popular Star
963
00:57:39,812 --> 00:57:42,453
Trek shows like, of course, the
original series and Next
964
00:57:42,473 --> 00:57:44,893
Generation, Deep Space Nine and
Voyager have had.
965
00:57:45,814 --> 00:57:46,674
Yes, let's hope so.
966
00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:49,231
If not, it was a nice job.
967
00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:49,611
Yeah.
968
00:57:51,072 --> 00:57:52,212
You did a great set design.
969
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:53,813
It was almost, it lasted. It was
so much fun.
970
00:57:53,933 --> 00:57:55,694
Well, you had a huge budget,
right?
971
00:57:56,854 --> 00:57:59,975
We had a good-sized budget. Not
nearly as much as, you know,
972
00:58:00,035 --> 00:58:04,617
Star Wars. I doubt, you know,
we, and every penny is accounted
973
00:58:04,677 --> 00:58:09,620
for, I can tell you. You know, a
lot of conversations about
974
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:12,381
trying to control cost and keep
things manageable.
975
00:58:12,601 --> 00:58:16,866
And, you know, I also have to
protect. My team and make sure
976
00:58:16,886 --> 00:58:19,647
that everything that's being
promised can be delivered, you
977
00:58:19,648 --> 00:58:22,848
know, upon those expectations.
So there is always a need to
978
00:58:22,868 --> 00:58:24,869
kind of rein things in to make
things realistic.
979
00:58:26,489 --> 00:58:30,330
But yeah, no, we had enough
money to be truly creative and
980
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:35,411
everyone was very invested in
that. And, you know, very, we
981
00:58:35,451 --> 00:58:37,132
really just want to make the
best possible show.
982
00:58:38,112 --> 00:58:42,133
Well, congratulations. We're big
fans. And people want to like,
983
00:58:42,653 --> 00:58:44,774
check out your amazing physique.
984
00:58:46,935 --> 00:58:51,218
You have basically a profile on
Instagram.
985
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:55,741
Can we share it with the public?
986
00:58:56,802 --> 00:58:59,043
I don't know. Maybe in the
comments.
987
00:58:59,904 --> 00:59:02,506
Message me and I'll share. Is
that okay if I just pass it on
988
00:59:02,546 --> 00:59:02,906
to them?
989
00:59:03,426 --> 00:59:05,267
They can just also Google it.
990
00:59:06,628 --> 00:59:09,590
What? We'll have two accounts.
991
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:13,293
He has a public and a gym selfie
account.
992
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:14,794
I don't know. Yeah.
993
00:59:15,094 --> 00:59:20,638
So it's pretty impressive. We'll
put a nice photo of you against
994
00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:21,339
your work.
995
00:59:21,979 --> 00:59:25,482
But you know what? I'll post to
my suitable for work account,
996
00:59:25,483 --> 00:59:28,684
you know, like a trailer for the
show. I'll get like 10 likes.
997
00:59:28,904 --> 00:59:33,448
And I'll take my shirt off at
the gym, snap a selfie, post it
998
00:59:33,449 --> 00:59:38,011
as I'm walking out, and get like
2,400 likes. It's just funny.
999
00:59:38,012 --> 00:59:39,512
Instagram was built for sex.
1000
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:41,474
Apparently so.
1001
00:59:42,094 --> 00:59:44,318
Well, it's interesting, too,
because a lot of these fitness
1002
00:59:44,378 --> 00:59:48,284
influencers, if they want you
not to flirt with them, they put
1003
00:59:48,364 --> 00:59:51,149
biblical quotes or religious
iconography.
1004
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:52,371
That'll do it.
1005
00:59:52,431 --> 00:59:54,434
And for some people, that's even
a bigger turn on.
1006
00:59:56,337 --> 00:59:58,519
They're like a crucifix. Okay.
1007
01:00:02,903 --> 01:00:05,585
Matthew, it's a pleasure. You
used to live in Chicago, right?
1008
01:00:06,345 --> 01:00:08,767
No, I was dating someone from
Chicago.
1009
01:00:08,787 --> 01:00:12,350
Oh, that's why you were here all
the time. So, okay. Well, if
1010
01:00:12,351 --> 01:00:15,293
you're ever in town, let's go
hit the gym together.
1011
01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:16,654
Sure, go to Quads.
1012
01:00:17,074 --> 01:00:19,416
And go into the bodybuilding
future.
1013
01:00:20,157 --> 01:00:20,497
Okay.
1014
01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:24,260
Quads is a legacy gym that has a
lot of...
1015
01:00:25,821 --> 01:00:28,642
You know, traditional
weightlifting equipment. You can
1016
01:00:28,662 --> 01:00:32,883
actually do leg extensions on
the original Nautilus machine
1017
01:00:33,283 --> 01:00:38,425
developed by, what's his name?
The Juice Man Master.
1018
01:00:39,886 --> 01:00:43,147
What was it? I forgot his name.
1019
01:00:43,347 --> 01:00:44,207
Juice Man.
1020
01:00:46,288 --> 01:00:50,509
Latoya? Lane. Jack LaLanne.
Latoya.
1021
01:00:53,311 --> 01:00:56,795
So jack laurlaine he invented
the smith machine he invented
1022
01:00:57,276 --> 01:01:00,518
the like the Nautilus like
extension machine and a few
1023
01:01:01,299 --> 01:01:05,223
machines that we still use to
this day in bodybuilding and the
1024
01:01:05,224 --> 01:01:11,168
those are still there well
maintained at quads and a lot of
1025
01:01:11,429 --> 01:01:13,891
you know i grew up weight
lifting and bodybuilding in the
1026
01:01:14,471 --> 01:01:17,893
1980s. And so some of the, so...
When you see some of this
1027
01:01:17,933 --> 01:01:20,534
equipment, you get a sense of
nostalgia, like you're in high
1028
01:01:20,574 --> 01:01:21,154
school again.
1029
01:01:24,275 --> 01:01:26,896
There's a couple of gyms that
are coming to Chicago that are
1030
01:01:26,916 --> 01:01:31,457
going to be opening up here.
Absolute Recomp is one of them.
1031
01:01:32,017 --> 01:01:35,038
And you can write to them if you
want them on Instagram to see
1032
01:01:35,578 --> 01:01:37,259
where they're going to be
building it, because they
1033
01:01:37,299 --> 01:01:38,919
haven't announced the location
yet.
1034
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,581
It's going to be three times the
size of an average gym with all
1035
01:01:44,661 --> 01:01:45,681
modern equipment.
1036
01:01:46,185 --> 01:01:48,547
Well, add it to the Frank Lloyd
Wright tour.
1037
01:01:48,587 --> 01:01:51,469
Right. You know, the thing about
it is all these modern gyms,
1038
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:56,832
they're going back to the 1980s
aesthetic with dark walls, neon.
1039
01:01:57,313 --> 01:02:00,095
You know, they're trying to make
it look more like a nightclub.
1040
01:02:01,756 --> 01:02:01,876
Yeah.
1041
01:02:02,836 --> 01:02:08,160
And when you and I came of age
in a lot of gyms, it was mostly,
1042
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,003
you know, Star Trek Next
Generation with wood paneling
1043
01:02:12,043 --> 01:02:16,726
and lighting and lots of, you
know. Formica. For Mike, looking
1044
01:02:17,426 --> 01:02:19,667
like a spa in Santa Fe, you
know?
1045
01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:23,910
I still like that. Like, I have
a home in Palm Springs. I love
1046
01:02:23,911 --> 01:02:24,710
the 80s. So, yeah, I treasure
it.
1047
01:02:27,172 --> 01:02:30,454
Well, it's a pleasure talking to
you, Matthew. Please stay in
1048
01:02:30,494 --> 01:02:32,975
touch. It was really exciting to
have you on the show for us.
1049
01:02:33,655 --> 01:02:34,656
It was a pleasure for me, too.
1050
01:02:35,196 --> 01:02:35,757
Thank you, Matthew.
1051
01:02:36,517 --> 01:02:37,077
You take care.
1052
01:02:37,578 --> 01:02:37,918
Bye-bye.
1053
01:02:38,678 --> 01:02:43,581
Matthew Davies lives in Toronto
for the time being. You can
1054
01:02:43,601 --> 01:02:48,164
watch Starfleet Academy on
Paramount Plus. Plus.
1055
01:02:48,525 --> 01:02:48,785
Plus.
1056
01:02:50,626 --> 01:02:53,708
And if you like the show, watch
it. Because it ain't going to
1057
01:02:53,768 --> 01:02:57,071
get renewed otherwise. But they
did do season two, so we will
1058
01:02:57,111 --> 01:02:59,352
get a season two, and we'll see
what happens after that. You
1059
01:02:59,353 --> 01:03:01,434
know, they spent a lot of money
building the set. I hope they
1060
01:03:01,474 --> 01:03:02,975
get to use it for a few more
years.
1061
01:03:03,215 --> 01:03:05,577
Yes, be a fierce Klingon
warrior.
1062
01:03:07,038 --> 01:03:10,820
And see your gay cousins from
Kronos.
1063
01:03:12,661 --> 01:03:14,482
So Klingons have two penises.
1064
01:03:15,042 --> 01:03:16,583
I think that they were alluded
to that.
1065
01:03:16,763 --> 01:03:19,484
Oh, my goodness. No wonder it's
a three-way.
1066
01:03:19,764 --> 01:03:21,405
But I mean, who knows?
1067
01:03:22,765 --> 01:03:25,346
Maybe some have two penises.
Maybe some have one. Maybe one
1068
01:03:25,347 --> 01:03:27,947
has a penis. One has a vagina. I
don't know. We don't know
1069
01:03:28,047 --> 01:03:28,448
anything.
1070
01:03:28,688 --> 01:03:31,189
Well, you know, I think in terms
of bodybuilding in the future,
1071
01:03:31,549 --> 01:03:36,511
like, you got to go on looking
at all that AI bodybuilder porn
1072
01:03:36,531 --> 01:03:40,252
and fantasy videos. Oh, it's so
wild. They're kind of crossing
1073
01:03:40,272 --> 01:03:44,614
the line of... What is it? I
call it, what is it? The
1074
01:03:44,754 --> 01:03:49,356
Cronenberg, this body horror
kind of, but eroticized.
1075
01:03:49,816 --> 01:03:52,377
And so, you know, because the
idea is like making the waist as
1076
01:03:52,477 --> 01:03:55,899
small as possible and the biceps
and the chest and the quads as
1077
01:03:55,959 --> 01:03:58,920
big as possible. And then when
you take that in using
1078
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,322
artificial intelligence to
create realistic looks of these
1079
01:04:04,682 --> 01:04:09,064
hulking monsters that are
visually appealing, it gets kind
1080
01:04:09,065 --> 01:04:10,645
of ridiculous, right? And so.
1081
01:04:11,265 --> 01:04:13,487
If you're wanting to know what
bodybuilding would look like,
1082
01:04:13,488 --> 01:04:17,410
you know, even 200 years into
the future, much less a thousand
1083
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:20,372
years in the future, you can
sort of look at those and see
1084
01:04:20,712 --> 01:04:23,474
where that would go, you know.
And actually, like, started
1085
01:04:23,494 --> 01:04:28,698
researching the idea of, like,
is it possible to expose
1086
01:04:28,718 --> 01:04:31,540
yourself to some kind of gamma
radiation and transform
1087
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,401
instantly like the Hulk?
1088
01:04:34,222 --> 01:04:38,913
Because a lot of those videos
are also having the idea of. You
1089
01:04:38,933 --> 01:04:43,078
know, you're a scrawny 98 pound
weakling and then you take a
1090
01:04:43,098 --> 01:04:47,323
pill or get injected by some
Vita rays. And then five minutes
1091
01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:49,825
later, you're this, you know,
you're Captain America.
1092
01:04:49,966 --> 01:04:50,586
Oh, Rocky.
1093
01:04:51,167 --> 01:04:55,932
Oh, Rocky. The problem with that
is that biological growth and
1094
01:04:55,972 --> 01:05:01,130
change. Has to happen at a
certain pace. It can't be made
1095
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:07,872
fast because when it grows fast,
it creates a lot of pain, and it
1096
01:05:07,892 --> 01:05:13,274
also is not quality growth. And
so in terms of bodybuilding,
1097
01:05:13,294 --> 01:05:16,395
there's a certain, you don't
want to go too fast because it
1098
01:05:16,415 --> 01:05:19,415
does create medical and side
effects that you don't want to
1099
01:05:19,435 --> 01:05:19,735
have.
1100
01:05:20,476 --> 01:05:23,757
And so the idea of mitigating
those side effects by having
1101
01:05:23,797 --> 01:05:26,942
instantaneous growth. Seems a
little bit far-fetched. And so
1102
01:05:27,503 --> 01:05:30,005
in terms of a thousand years in
the future and having, you know,
1103
01:05:30,746 --> 01:05:35,269
the Bane, you know,
transformation from Batman where
1104
01:05:35,309 --> 01:05:39,913
Poison Ivy puts, you know, plant
juices, hormones into Bane's
1105
01:05:39,973 --> 01:05:42,995
body and he turns into a giant
muscle monster is probably not
1106
01:05:43,055 --> 01:05:43,816
likely to happen.
1107
01:05:44,437 --> 01:05:47,939
So, you know, that's that's the
two limiting there. Just like,
1108
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,943
you know, in space travel there,
the speed of light is a is a
1109
01:05:52,964 --> 01:05:57,575
constraint. So is. Physical,
biological growth. There's only
1110
01:05:57,896 --> 01:05:58,976
so much you can do.
1111
01:05:59,517 --> 01:06:00,418
You can only get so big.
1112
01:06:00,478 --> 01:06:02,960
You can only get so big. And
then at that point in time, it
1113
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,402
's, you know, then you're no
longer human.
1114
01:06:05,462 --> 01:06:08,465
And so, you know, you could be,
and that's another thing to
1115
01:06:08,466 --> 01:06:11,047
consider is like, you know,
maybe bodybuilding in the future
1116
01:06:11,327 --> 01:06:15,170
is going to be done by other
species that have evolved from
1117
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:18,974
our bodies and looking like
something very terrifying and
1118
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:23,489
scary that by our standards, you
know, and I'm wondering like, If
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somebody in the 1800s or 1700s
saw Flex Wheeler, would they
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have been terrified or would
they have been fascinated and
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pleased by that physique?
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And certainly today, there's
people all around the world and
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not all cultures react the same
way to bodies and physiques. And
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01:06:41,323 --> 01:06:46,446
if you think about like
burlesque or if you think about
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ribbon-esque bodies, then not.
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Everybody agrees on what an
aesthetically pleasing body is
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in the first place. So it's tied
to the culture. It's tied to the
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location and the time. So in the
future, there's going to just be
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01:07:00,729 --> 01:07:04,730
different standards and
different athletic events vying
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for our attention.
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Well, that's for future people
to decide what they want.
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Yes, the future is no fate but
what we make. To quote another
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sci-fi franchise. Hey guys,
remember Let's Grow Big Together
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is a project of Feast of Fun.
They are sister or sibling
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01:07:28,102 --> 01:07:29,983
first on Let's Grow Big
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And of course, if you become a
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Thanks for listening. Bye,
everybody.
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People love sports for the
thrill of the challenge, to push
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their bodies to boldly go where
they've never gone before. But
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in Star Trek, how would people
compete in a universe where
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physical augmentation makes
almost anything possible?
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And in real life, what happens
to bodybuilding a thousand years
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from now?
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Today's episode is a dual drop
from Feast of Fun and... Let's
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Grow Big Together. Think of it
as a transporter mishap where
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two podcasters fuse as one, but
not as awkward as two vics. I'm
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Fausto Fernandez.
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And I'm Mark Fillion. In this
series, we take a look at the
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passion for muscle, adventures
in bodybuilding, muscle gods,
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muscle worship, and practical
advice to put on the gains.
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The new series Starfleet Academy
centers the Star Trek universe
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around the school for new
recruits. With a fresh focus on
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youth culture and hot bodies.
Today, Starfleet Academy's
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production designer, Matthew
Davies, joins us to look at his
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work, imagining schools,
starships, gyms, and nightclubs
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of the future.
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Davies is also an accomplished
bodybuilder on his own, and so
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we're having a little fun
imagining what bodybuilding
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might look like in that world.
How will technology shape the
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sport? And what will giant...
Glorious bodies mean centuries
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from now.
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Plus, lesbians in space Creating
same-sex interspecies
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relationships and why Matthew
has no regrets turning down the
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hit show Heated Rivalry.
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We recorded this episode of
Feast of Fun before Paramount
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announced the cancellation of
Starfleet Academy. A second
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season will still air. But no
new Star Trek projects have been
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announced. Although Star Trek
has always boldly gone where
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nobody has gone before, this is
nothing new. This is a challenge
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they've overcome in the past.
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The original 1966 series was
canceled after two seasons, and
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it still managed to change the
world. If the vision of Star
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Trek matters to you, let
Paramount know. You can reach
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them at Paramount.com slash
Contact hyphen us. The link is
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included in the show notes, so
you can just click from there.
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Live long and prosper.
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Hi, this is Matthew Davies.
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Hi, Matthew Davies. This is
Fausto.
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And Mark from Let's Grow Big
Together.
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And Feast of Fun.
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Welcome to the show, Commander
Matthew Davies.
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That's what it says on the wall
of Piros, so I guess that's what
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it is.
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As I was doing research for the
show, I was just like, I wonder
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if he put any Easter eggs about
himself in there. And of course,
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it pops right up.
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I know, I've made it into canon,
but I had to insert myself into
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canon.
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Along with Lieutenant Tom Paris,
who never made it past
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lieutenant.
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Well spotted.
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Congratulations on completing
filming the second season of
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Starfleet Academy.
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Thank you.
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So you got a phone call from
Alex Kurtzman, the show's
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producer, one of the producers.
And suddenly you're designing
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for Star Trek, a franchise that
hasn't just imagined the future,
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but actually shaped it. No
pressure.
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And also, I've never actually
designed sci-fi before.
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Yeah, and unlike other sci-fi or
fantasy franchises, Star Trek
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has been instrumental in
inspiring designers today.
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Scientists, engineers,
astronauts. It inspired the
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IPhone, the iPad, real-life,
real-time language translators,
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which I actually use at work,
virtual reality, hyposprays, 3D
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printing, and even the sliding
doors of the grocery store.
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Which is still a piece of work
to engineer, yes.
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And so when you're stepping into
that responsibility in your
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mind, like you could shape the
world. Are you designing just
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sets or designing hope?
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I think people often kind of
misperceive what the role of the
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production designer is. We're
kind of responsible for shaping
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the visual narrative. So that
includes all of the sets,
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locations, everything that's not
the actor or what the actor is
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wearing kind of falls under the
remit of the art department. So
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It's essentially everything else
in the frame is our bag. Yes.
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But how do you keep it from
being a pastiche, a mosaic of
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different styles? Are you the
person everybody has to go like?
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All right, Matthew, can we make
the costumes Gray?
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Can we do that? Costume design
is its own thing, and I'm very
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respectful of the role of the
costume designer, Savory, and
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Gersha have done a phenomenal
job with that, and Gersha's been
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doing that role for years now,
so I wouldn't want to teach
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grandmother to suck eggs, so I
don't get involved in the
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costume design, but everything
else, yes.
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So, you know, when I originally
started the show, I just really
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spent like a couple of weeks
just gathering references,
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putting together everything
from, you know, my past life, my
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days in architecture, everything
that I'd ever been inspired by.
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And it kind of rewatched the
show and it sort of became
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obvious that every show that
comes into the Star Trek banner
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is kind of like a snapshot of
the future. But from that point
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in time, so in the 1960s. You
know, they had a lot of Arasaran
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and sort of very stylish
modernist furniture.
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And that at the time was what
the 60s saw as being the distant
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future. So, you know, and
through the 80s, 90s, it was
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always kind of looking ahead.
But from that point in time, so
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I sort of became aware that you
can't truly design for the 32nd
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century. You can only sort of
design what is cutting edge in
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the moment and sort of
anticipate.
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What is in the future and going
back to your point about you
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know did Star Trek inspire all
of this or did it really just
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anticipate all of this well the
astronauts literally say like if
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it wasn't you know for nichelle
nichols i wouldn't even be in
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outer space like there are
people who singularly correct
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the inventor that i think apple
the developers and i'm blanking
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out of their names right now
said that it was the pads in
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next generation.
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That got them the idea of doing
tablet-style computers. So these
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people are literally growing up
watching your show, and then 10,
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20 years later, they're like,
you know, having a cherry
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blossom tree in the center of
our school seems like a really
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good idea.
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Yeah, there's a whole story
around the cherry trees as well.
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I'm sorry, but what's the story
behind the cherry tree?
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Back to your first question.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I was a...
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Kid of the 80s like I was born
in the 70s kind of the 80s was
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when I started really making you
know taking note of the world
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and I really loved the 80s I'm
very nostalgic for the 80s and
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in terms of the look of the show
I kind of drew a straight line
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from the 80s to just bypass the
90s and 2000s and just kept
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extending it forward so yeah
there's a lot of I'd say very
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80s references in the design of
the show.
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And if you're interested, A lot
of mirror, a lot of chrome, a
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lot of brass in the chancellor's
office. And all of those kind of
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metallics reflections and the
glamour was something that
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actually really did inspire me,
for sure.
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Did you want to go?
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I mean, the chancellor's office
is stunning.
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Yeah, well, the office, the
chancellor's office is
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essentially Frank Lloyd Wright
in space. Right. I was dating
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someone in Chicago at the time,
which is your home city. And, I
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ended up going to the Robey
House, something to do, and kind
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of got inspired. We took your
mom there, Fausto.
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Yeah, we were there. Yeah.
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Yeah. So it's just a phenomenal
space and it's kind of timeless.
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And coincidentally, Alex
Kurtzman and Noga Landau are
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really into kind of the American
arts and crafts movement and the
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kind of West Coast slash prairie
style of Frank Lloyd Wright.
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And we were talking about the
character of Nala and what she
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would be interested in and
decided that, yeah, that would
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be something that a Lanthanite
might kind of grasp onto because
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Lanthanites kind of live forever
and they've been sort of hiding
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amongst human race and it kind
of made sense.
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And there's also this idea that
with programmable matter,
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everything can essentially be
created and curated for someone
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's taste so matter itself can
kind of reorganize itself and
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kind of create your fantasy so
That was the idea behind it.
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Well, why is she dressed up
like, you know, I don't know,
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like a new wave or Jem and the
holograms? Well, there's Jem
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Hadar and the holograms.
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I remember Alex saying to me,
there was a scene in Inception
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where we kind of start on the
ceiling and it's kind of golden
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mirrored and kind of pans down.
He said, I really want to kind
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of evoke that quality in the
space. So mirrored brass
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ceilings went in.
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Well, this is the first time we
actually saw a nightclub that
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you would want to go to, you
know, and I feel like especially
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in the 80s and 90s, whenever
they show scenes.
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Where people are like partying
or dancing it's like the least
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appealing club ever and it's
also because they don't often
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have music playing or they turn
the music off to record the
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dialogue so suddenly everyone's
kind of dancing out of tempo
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there's no kind of metronome
that keeps everybody in sync
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well they they.
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Say the the one of the the
communicator inspired the Cell
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phones, right? And recently on
the latest episode, you know,
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they've got their, you know,
they've always referred to them
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as communicators. And then
they've recently just said, hey,
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your phone is ringing. Was there
a big conversation around that?
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I did notice that the dialogue
is very contemporary in the
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show.
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So I put it more down to the
way, I guess, the writers are
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trying to kind of appeal to the
generation that the show is
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created for, maybe. But Yeah, I
mean, communication in the 32nd
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century is sort of very
immediate and instantaneous and
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doesn't really involve any kind
of interaction or obvious
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interaction with technology.
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So we've got hollows, we've got,
yeah, the communicator, which
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also is like a transporter. And
yeah, and they can communicate
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through their pads. I mean,
basically whatever they're
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touching seems to connect to
something.
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You know, in the old Star Trek
and even in Star Wars, your
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nemesis, a lot of my name is a
lot of the like pictures of like
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the planets that they visit or
the moons and those things were
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hand painted by somebody that's
an actual portrait oh glass mat
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yes are you still doing that
kind of work are.
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We still doing glass mat
paintings no no we we prepare
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key frames of everything and
then we send it to
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post-production and then they
kind of incorporate everything
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into their work so it's you
Yeah, we sort of go through an
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approvals process where I kind
of work with concept artists in
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the case of Planets, kind of
shortlist the options, sit down
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with Alex and Noga and turn to
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We present ideas and then
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the selected favorite gets sent
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kind of incorporate it into the
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So Starfleet Academy is a school
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space, right? Yeah. The whole
building is a spaceship and it
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can just fly off. I think that
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watching this might not grasp
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not just a school, but the
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Funny story about that.
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synopsis for the pilot, you
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of... This idea that we're kind
of in space, a space adventure,
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but we're on Earth. And the
immediate suggestion there was
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that we needed two lots of sets.
We needed dormitories on Earth
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and we needed dormitories in
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chancellor's office on Earth and
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that visually didn't feel very
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budgetarily. So we were like,
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and the same? But then...
Wouldn't that kind of landlock
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us to terra firma? And we're
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the Granville matter. So we kind
of took it to the logical
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conclusion that the ship would
become the school.
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as a gesture if the ship would
kind of recalibrate itself and
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kind of reshape itself into
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created this massive sort of art
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Beam that it would actually set
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would kind of place itself in
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the harbor towards San Francisco
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complete the you know the campus
so you needed like a cafeteria
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with a disgruntled cafeteria
worker who's a you know and she
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A living and she's putting slop
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like some things never change
yeah well you But you guys just
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finished filming the second
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in the air, depending on, you
know, if you guys want to see
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more Starfleet Academy, you've
got to write the networks and
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watch the show, right?
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Yeah, if you love it, fight for
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Fight for the future you want.
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Yes, absolutely. Yeah. You know,
like, I actually grew up with
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Star Trek as well. It was one
of, it actually, maybe in my
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head, it was, perhaps my first
memory. I remember being a
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little kid, maybe three and a
half, four years old, and I was
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sat in front of the television.
I was watching the original
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series, watching Captain Kirk in
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monster.
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And it turned me on immensely,
as I remember it. And yeah, I
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think it's been a part of my
life for a long time. And I
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think for a lot of people, it's
you know, fixture of their life.
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And, yeah, sort of like going
away is, you know, fills me with
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terror. And you know, I think,
you know, like I said, if it's,
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if you love it, fight for it.
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I mean, I'll tell you this, you
know, my everyday life is Star
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track I meet literally thousands
of people every month from
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different cultures, languages,
viewpoints, and they certainly
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seem alien-like. And Mark and I
are always boldly going where
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some men have gone before.
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And certainly, you know, there
is a sense of, you know, in
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terms of the values of the show,
it's looking at technology and
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diversity as a strength and not
as a weakness, as a way, a
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solution. To any problems that
we face, that together we can
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overcome our biggest challenges.
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And, you know, and certainly,
you know, part of Star Trek's
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lore is that, you know, humanity
faced World War III around this
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time. Great. Yeah. And that we
were managing and able to not
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only overcome that, we were also
be able to reach the stars
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literally and come into Contact
with all different kinds of
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cultures. And species and be
enriched by those.
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Yeah, absolutely. Science in
progress through the stars.
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Yeah, it's kind of baked into
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So now you're sort of
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show that examines that modern,
futuristic, unconventional
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learning environment that
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wondering, like, you know, in
terms of your research, did you
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look at, like, Montessori
schools or...
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You know, Klon Lara or things
like, things that were like, you
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know, different things than what
we think about a classroom,
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which is, you know, rows of
students and the teacher in the
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front, maybe seeing something
that was more what schools are
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like today or.
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I mean, in the people in my
industry, we tend to talk in
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film references. And so I said
to Alex, you know, what are,
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what are shows that kind of
reminds you of your college
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days? What reminds you of being
at school? And he was like, long
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pause. Said Dead Poets Society.
I was like, okay, do you have
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anything more 32nd Century?
Captain by Captain.
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And he's like, I think that's a
good reference. I was like,
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okay. And then I thought about
it and said, what in particular?
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He goes, you know, that kind of
the woodsy charm, you know, the
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intimacy of it. But I was like,
yeah. And then we talked about
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wood and I hadn't really thought
of wood as being a primary kind
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of material in Star Trek. But he
's like, I really want the
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warmth of wood.
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And so I was like, okay, you
want fries with that? So we did
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wood interiors. So we have a lot
of wood veneers everywhere, you
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know, all through the curving
corridors and the sort of
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students' academic areas of the
ship and in the chancellor's
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office. And, yeah, in the
atrium, there's a lot of wood.
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The tree planner is very upset
about that.
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By the way.
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I think it's for Granville,
Matt. It's not real wood.
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That's your answer to
everything. It's like, it's
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programmable matter. It's not a
dead body from a planet.
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Is the cherry tree programmable
matter too? Because it's always
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in bloom. Or is that just like
genetics?
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Weirdly, between us, it's an
apple tree. Oh, it is? The
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actual structure of it is an
apple tree. And all the blossoms
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were kind of hand-threaded on by
Jim, our head of greens. So they
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spent a couple months building
those trees. You They can swivel
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for camera.
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They can come up and off and off
their stands and be moved for
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camera. And they've got kind of
light-up kind of elements to
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them, like twinkle lights that
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branches. And, yeah, they're
quite adaptable.
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Well, what was the significance
of having a giant cherry tree in
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the center of the atrium of the
school?
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So Alex is kind of the sci-fi
end of the show, and Noga, the
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other showrunner, you know, she
's very much the kind of the
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romance.
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Of the story and you know when
we're designing the atrium i
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actually designed two atriums
and pitched both and one loved
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one the other one loved the
other i was like okay that was a
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bad move i should have designed
one atrium and you know no it
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was like you know i just want
something magical you know
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something you know like and i
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cherry trees you know, emboss
them. And I was like, why not?
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You could have those and they
were like reflecting pools would
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be nice because originally those
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be sort of wells looking into
the deeper kind of technical
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sort of shafts of the ship and
essentially down to like shuttle
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bay and they were like yeah so
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and i kind of created seeding
niches around the cherries
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thinking that Yeah, I mean,
these are nice.
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Sort of intimate private moments
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middle of a crowded atrium. And,
you know, often when we design
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big sets like that, it's always
about what we call walk and
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talks, where you've got actors
walking and talking, which
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essentially is the basis of most
past Star Trek seasons, people
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walking very slowly and talking.
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Or doors. Or environment, so
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create these more kind of
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informal sort of private niches
everywhere where we could stage
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And so, you know, you're
creating these intimate sci-fi
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spaces. And I imagine that, you
know, there is a temptation to
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make everything look like a
nightclub in Las Vegas, you
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know, with all the lights and
chrome and all the stuff. How do
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you keep the language from
turning into, you know, crass
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commercialism, but actually have
some kind of like, you know, the
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core values of curiosity?
Science exploration and
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diversity?
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Well, you know, we wanted a show
that looked very different to
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Discovery. Discovery was very
much this very dark environment
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kind of outlined with LED
lighting.
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So it's very, you know, kind of
edgy sci-fi. And in this
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situation, we decided to go
with, you know, something that
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felt a lot more open and airy
and light. And You know, we had
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the big ensemble cast, so we
didn't want to just light one or
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two actors at a time.
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We wanted to have, you know,
like 50 or 100 or 200 actors all
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kind of lit. And we wanted to
have a lot of streaming sunlight
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coming into the sets from all
areas. So it was kind of, I
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guess, a reimagining of Star
Trek as this kind of sunny kind
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of, you know, depiction of life
in San Francisco. So we kind of,
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one of the...
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Conceits of that was to build a
three-story video wall at one
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end of the set that would have
like animated views of San
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Francisco or stars at warp or
you know stars at impulse or
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whatever it might be but when
we're on Earth we're going to
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push hard light in for that end
and that was maddox our sort of
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cinematographer for the pilot
and has actually stayed through
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both seasons and you know he
wanted to create a very sunny
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look so we kind of moved away
from the heavy heavy kind of use
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and abuse or overuse of LED
lighting.
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Although it does play a role.
You know, when we get a red
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alert, there's a lot of red
light everywhere. So we wanted
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to be able to create the
different sort of conditions of
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amber alert and red alert
through lighting. But the sets
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also have to kind of light
themselves. So we have to be
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able to go in, the board up
arrives, sets all the lighting,
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and then we start shooting.
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You know, in Starfleet Academy,
like Star Trek Discovery, we see
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a large number of, LGBTQ
characters, played by LGBTQ
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actors. Shocking.
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And you have lesbians in space.
I'm always going to say that. So
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you have a gem Hadar, the, the
lady gem Hadar, which is Laura
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Hawk.
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And, and it was very
controversial when her character
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was first announced because she,
you know, the, the gem Hadar's,
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aren't women, but, you know,
genetic engineering can bring
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back a species' ability to
replicate, and that's possibly
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what they would have done, and
maybe that will be part of an
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episode in the future.
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I know, I read recently that
some of my fifth-central samurai
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warriors were actually women. I
don't know if that's true. So,
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yeah, I don't know that, you
know, the way we necessarily,
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yeah, perceptions change, right?
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But you guys are having, like,
two very... Well-loved and
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celebrated lesbian comedians,
Gina and Tig Notaro, playing a
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couple. And, you know, I'm
hoping that they're going to
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have them, like, show what their
quarters are like. And is that
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something that has been designed
for that? Like, you know, a
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lesbian home in space?
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No, we didn't design their
quarters, but they do. Their
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progression in the relationship
is a feature of season two.
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Okay.
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Ooh, a sneak peek.
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It is covered.
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And then you have Kareem Dian
playing the first openly gay.
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Well, the first. Yeah, there are
other gay Klingons. Alexander
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was rumored to be one.
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Were they out?
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Next generation. But first
openly gay Klingon, Jaden Krag.
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In a, I guess a love triangle
with Darem, Ramey and. And what
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's the name of the demon twink?
And Kyle.
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And Kyle. Yeah.
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We don't trust Kyle in this
house.
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Nobody's trusting Kyle.
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Because he's good looking.
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00:25:02,031 --> 00:25:04,312
No, because he's from the Demon
Twink planet.
420
00:25:05,472 --> 00:25:08,533
Or he's from the War College.
So, you know, he's kind of like
421
00:25:08,594 --> 00:25:09,014
Slytherin.
422
00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:13,636
He is very Slytherin, right? And
so, you know, and something, I
423
00:25:13,736 --> 00:25:17,618
just, something's not adding up
here. Something's going to
424
00:25:17,638 --> 00:25:21,899
happen. And poor Jaden's going
to get his heart. Don't Klingons
425
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:22,960
have multiple hearts, too?
426
00:25:24,277 --> 00:25:25,238
They do.
427
00:25:25,239 --> 00:25:27,019
Yeah, so he's got both of his
hearts broken.
428
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,721
Well, the Gem Heart, I do,
actually. Do you think I'm
429
00:25:29,722 --> 00:25:33,504
going? I don't know. Yeah,
sorry. I took that back. I did
430
00:25:33,505 --> 00:25:33,744
that out.
431
00:25:33,745 --> 00:25:36,366
I think they have two penises or
something going on.
432
00:25:36,367 --> 00:25:37,767
Yeah, don't they have two dicks?
433
00:25:40,328 --> 00:25:43,431
So, like, you know, it's
interesting seeing this, like,
434
00:25:43,511 --> 00:25:46,373
you know, same-sex but
interspecies relationship here.
435
00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:50,315
And a lot of the characters in
Starfleet Academy are
436
00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:54,379
interspecies, you know. Which
leads me to the question is
437
00:25:54,459 --> 00:25:59,103
like, you know, biologically in
the future, I guess it's all out
438
00:25:59,123 --> 00:25:59,964
the window, right?
439
00:26:02,186 --> 00:26:05,829
I don't know. I'm not a
scientist. We actually do have a
440
00:26:06,970 --> 00:26:10,653
science consultant, Erin
MacDonald, on the show. She's a,
441
00:26:11,834 --> 00:26:15,077
I believe she's in Berkeley and
she's an astrophysicist, I
442
00:26:15,078 --> 00:26:18,180
believe. So often we would get
the scripts, I'd read them and
443
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:18,781
I'd be like.
444
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:24,992
That makes no sense. What does
that mean? What is an unstable
445
00:26:25,012 --> 00:26:25,532
quasar?
446
00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:30,635
What is a gravitational eddy? So
she would get on the phone and
447
00:26:30,636 --> 00:26:33,076
she would kind of explain
everything and then have to go
448
00:26:33,096 --> 00:26:36,158
back to the writers and say,
okay, this is what we can
449
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:40,640
afford. This is what we can do.
How does this work? And, you
450
00:26:40,641 --> 00:26:45,803
know, gradually kind of move it
to something that kind of met
451
00:26:45,943 --> 00:26:51,306
the scientific sort of test
And... Could also meet the
452
00:26:51,686 --> 00:26:54,728
visual effects and practical set
building costs as well.
453
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:58,631
So you're yourself in your
everyday life. You're a
454
00:26:58,651 --> 00:26:59,271
bodybuilder.
455
00:27:02,213 --> 00:27:03,855
I train pretty intensively, yes.
456
00:27:04,015 --> 00:27:07,377
Yeah, and you look phenomenal,
and we'll post pictures of you.
457
00:27:08,718 --> 00:27:12,801
So we're creating the idea that
you're shirtless at work.
458
00:27:13,901 --> 00:27:14,082
Yeah.
459
00:27:14,762 --> 00:27:18,004
But you wear clothes when you
work, building the sets for
460
00:27:18,064 --> 00:27:18,945
Starfleet Academy.
461
00:27:20,406 --> 00:27:23,067
And, you know, I imagine that,
you know, all this discussion
462
00:27:23,187 --> 00:27:28,411
about the future and technology
and genetic engineering is
463
00:27:28,451 --> 00:27:32,254
getting the wheels turning in
your head. And, you know,
464
00:27:32,754 --> 00:27:36,436
bodybuilding is something you're
very passionate about. What do
465
00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:39,759
you think, like, bodybuilding
would look like a thousand years
466
00:27:39,779 --> 00:27:40,119
from now?
467
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,842
Well, I mean, I think it would
have moved on from, you know,
468
00:27:45,042 --> 00:27:47,804
the tricks that hardcore
bodybuilders use today. I'm sure
469
00:27:47,805 --> 00:27:48,725
it would move into.
470
00:27:50,221 --> 00:27:56,005
Genetics. And, you know, once
you have all that alien DNA at
471
00:27:56,006 --> 00:28:00,847
your disposal, just imagine the
possibilities of splicing them
472
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:01,768
together, I guess.
473
00:28:03,429 --> 00:28:06,150
But yeah, I mean, you could
have, I guess, like myostatin
474
00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:07,711
suppression in genetics.
475
00:28:09,432 --> 00:28:14,875
You could have like IGF kind of
growth, sort of elements kind of
476
00:28:14,935 --> 00:28:22,460
added right into the DNA. So I
think there's, yeah, I think
477
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,444
we've moved away from, I guess,
you know, roids, insulin or, you
478
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:33,267
know, human growth hormone. And
I think by 32nd century, my
479
00:28:33,307 --> 00:28:37,810
hardcore bodybuilders would have
a lot more kind of genetic
480
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:40,052
options, like genetic splicing
at their disposal.
481
00:28:40,092 --> 00:28:44,214
But I don't know. I mean, that
whole fetishization of the male
482
00:28:44,275 --> 00:28:48,598
physique, it might just be a,
you know, 21st century. It may
483
00:28:48,658 --> 00:28:52,601
not be so prevalent down the
road. You know, once you've met
484
00:28:52,681 --> 00:28:56,525
other species, there might be a
whole other kind of aesthetic
485
00:28:56,625 --> 00:28:57,426
preoccupation.
486
00:28:57,906 --> 00:29:00,689
Well, because all the, you know,
humans and other species are
487
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:01,229
having sex.
488
00:29:02,931 --> 00:29:03,271
Yeah.
489
00:29:03,272 --> 00:29:06,554
And part of bodybuilding is the
fascination that, you know,
490
00:29:06,934 --> 00:29:12,159
whether it's sexual or athletic
with a body that's very
491
00:29:12,699 --> 00:29:14,361
developed athletically.
492
00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:18,255
And so, you know, in terms of
today, you know, we sort of can
493
00:29:18,295 --> 00:29:21,276
predict into the future by
looking at what kind of changes
494
00:29:21,296 --> 00:29:24,178
have happened within the last
hundred years, which is
495
00:29:24,698 --> 00:29:27,660
basically what bodybuilding has
been around. And there are
496
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:31,722
athletes already born with
naturally with myostatin turned
497
00:29:31,822 --> 00:29:34,444
off, similar to double muscle.
498
00:29:36,305 --> 00:29:39,126
I think Arnie Schwarzenegger had
very little natural, natural,
499
00:29:39,206 --> 00:29:42,808
has very little natural, natural
myostatin in his system. And
500
00:29:42,888 --> 00:29:43,869
Flax Wheeler, too.
501
00:29:44,569 --> 00:29:48,292
Famous for that as well. But
most people, according to
502
00:29:48,332 --> 00:29:52,055
studies who have low myostatin,
don't get into bodybuilding
503
00:29:52,056 --> 00:29:54,137
because there's not much of a
challenge for it.
504
00:29:54,757 --> 00:29:57,480
And, you know, in terms of Star
Trek, it's it's it's really
505
00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:01,043
important to think about, you
know, what happens in the future
506
00:30:01,443 --> 00:30:05,506
when people don't have to work
for money and all your food and,
507
00:30:06,127 --> 00:30:10,891
you know, financial and physical
needs are not only met, but also
508
00:30:11,731 --> 00:30:16,637
developed to the your. Wildest
imagination. And as a designer,
509
00:30:16,857 --> 00:30:21,763
I'm curious to think about like,
what does luxury look like in
510
00:30:21,803 --> 00:30:22,825
this world for you?
511
00:30:24,109 --> 00:30:27,051
It's interesting because in Star
Trek, we don't have brands. We
512
00:30:27,091 --> 00:30:31,033
only have the Delta. Everything
is federation issued. So there's
513
00:30:31,073 --> 00:30:35,435
no real sense of, you know, that
culture of want or consumerism
514
00:30:35,515 --> 00:30:40,418
or people kind of wanting for,
you know, Louis Vuitton or, you
515
00:30:40,419 --> 00:30:42,079
know, Maserati's.
516
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,861
There isn't really like a
federalization of, you know,
517
00:30:45,921 --> 00:30:49,203
brands, which is kind of very
much a preoccupation now. I
518
00:30:49,204 --> 00:30:52,997
guess the hope is that by the
32nd century, we've kind of. Rid
519
00:30:53,057 --> 00:30:55,860
ourselves of that kind of
enslavement.
520
00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:58,722
Yeah. And it's kind of strange
to see like the show being
521
00:30:58,762 --> 00:31:03,486
criticized by, you know, people
who tend to align themselves
522
00:31:03,586 --> 00:31:07,009
with conservative values. Right.
Because I'm like, well, this
523
00:31:07,069 --> 00:31:11,652
show is kind of defining itself
by being against these kind of
524
00:31:11,672 --> 00:31:14,435
things or creating a world of
what it would be like if we
525
00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:17,537
don't have to worry about money,
where we have diversity, where
526
00:31:17,878 --> 00:31:21,200
we have a more, we have a,
ironically, a militaristic
527
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,921
structure.
528
00:31:22,265 --> 00:31:27,367
But it's also non-hierarchical
and encouraged to challenge and
529
00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:31,048
question authority and to take
initiative. And certainly we see
530
00:31:31,088 --> 00:31:35,629
that in Starfleet Academy is,
you know, a lot of the lessons
531
00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:39,811
that the students have to learn
is how to break the rules in a
532
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:40,731
constructive manner.
533
00:31:41,351 --> 00:31:45,013
Or use diplomacy rather than
violence. Like it's.
534
00:31:46,393 --> 00:31:49,236
One of the conceits of the show
was that there had been the burn
535
00:31:49,296 --> 00:31:51,858
and then the War College had
been created, which was all
536
00:31:51,898 --> 00:31:57,703
about preparing people to fight.
And then as, I guess, everybody
537
00:31:57,783 --> 00:32:04,128
kind of calmed down and realized
that, you know, offensive
538
00:32:04,168 --> 00:32:08,612
aggression was not always going
to fix things. There was a fresh
539
00:32:08,632 --> 00:32:12,395
approach of kind of
reinstituting the Starfleet
540
00:32:12,396 --> 00:32:14,657
Academy and sort of bringing
that up again. So...
541
00:32:15,197 --> 00:32:17,478
And then there is that kind of
tension, kind of like in Harry
542
00:32:17,538 --> 00:32:20,859
Potter, I guess, between the
different kind of houses of the
543
00:32:20,879 --> 00:32:23,979
school that, you know, you have
the War College on the one side
544
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,380
and you have Starfleet Academy
and then you have like a bank
545
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:30,261
war and everything else that
happens. But it creates that
546
00:32:30,301 --> 00:32:34,382
natural tension between two kind
of bodies of thought. But, you
547
00:32:34,383 --> 00:32:36,383
know, when the chips are down,
they kind of come together.
548
00:32:36,823 --> 00:32:38,743
And Tilly is the Hufflepuffs.
549
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:45,365
That is such a geek specific
joke. Wait. Three people on the
550
00:32:45,366 --> 00:32:49,148
planet Earth get. No one else is
going to get that. But back to
551
00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:53,590
bodybuilding in the future.
Like, you know, let's assume
552
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:56,211
that it does exist, you know,
that our people like. And we
553
00:32:56,231 --> 00:33:01,915
certainly, you know, see finally
Sandro Rosta playing Caleb Mayer
554
00:33:02,675 --> 00:33:06,757
is finally probably the most
muscular actor to play any
555
00:33:06,817 --> 00:33:07,958
character on Star Trek.
556
00:33:08,458 --> 00:33:12,320
Yeah. He's very big. Yeah. He
often he actually invited me to
557
00:33:12,321 --> 00:33:15,501
go train with him. And I was
like, You don't want to be
558
00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:18,502
outcompeted. Oh, my God. You
have to.
559
00:33:20,203 --> 00:33:23,984
Oh, my God. You have to go work
out with him and take pictures
560
00:33:24,004 --> 00:33:25,224
and post that on your Instagram.
561
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:25,964
Oh, right.
562
00:33:27,124 --> 00:33:28,725
Do you want the show to continue
or not?
563
00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:31,006
Okay. Whatever it takes, I
guess.
564
00:33:31,186 --> 00:33:34,486
Yeah. And make sure you, you
know, pose together. Yeah.
565
00:33:34,487 --> 00:33:35,967
I'd love to see what he does for
training.
566
00:33:37,187 --> 00:33:40,508
Well, you both have really great
developed muscular bodies.
567
00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:42,409
Oh, thank you. Yeah.
568
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:47,251
Yeah, it's either that or they
would kind of put our actors
569
00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:51,874
into a muscle suit, which is
sometimes happens that we, you
570
00:33:51,875 --> 00:33:54,555
know, actually kind of beef up
our actors a little bit. With
571
00:33:54,615 --> 00:33:57,780
the tailoring and everything.
And not just that, actually, it
572
00:33:57,780 --> 00:34:01,919
's like a kind of latex foam
rubber sort of suit that they
573
00:34:01,979 --> 00:34:05,141
wear underneath their actual
sort of wardrobe that kind of
574
00:34:05,341 --> 00:34:06,622
fills them out in a few places.
575
00:34:06,802 --> 00:34:10,944
I've noticed that the outfits
get filled out in a few other
576
00:34:10,984 --> 00:34:12,065
places, too.
577
00:34:12,665 --> 00:34:15,346
Yeah, every show does it. Like
cop shows, I've done, like,
578
00:34:15,726 --> 00:34:18,347
police charmers, where we've had
to kind of tailor all of our,
579
00:34:18,847 --> 00:34:20,567
you know, ballistic vests and
everything.
580
00:34:20,568 --> 00:34:26,269
I'm talking crotch shots. Well,
maybe they don't be the pattern.
581
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:29,210
Everybody's online is like,
these production designers know
582
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:32,090
what they're doing. It's a
close-up of their crotches.
583
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:36,031
Matthew, we appreciate you, and
we appreciate your work, if you
584
00:34:36,051 --> 00:34:36,952
know what I'm saying.
585
00:34:39,092 --> 00:34:41,593
Yeah, I can't claim credit for
any of that, unfortunately.
586
00:34:41,733 --> 00:34:42,474
That's costume.
587
00:34:42,534 --> 00:34:45,796
Well, we know that's why they
made the costumes Gray, because
588
00:34:45,856 --> 00:34:46,977
they're Gray sweatpants.
589
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,801
What will make people horny?
Gray sweatpants. How do we put
590
00:34:52,821 --> 00:34:53,721
this in a uniform?
591
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:57,984
But the series is very sexy, you
know, and part of that is
592
00:34:58,044 --> 00:35:01,287
because, you know, youthful
energy is going to bring that
593
00:35:01,347 --> 00:35:05,029
element to it. And it's really
nice to see Star Trek not being
594
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:09,172
this, you know, kind of people
have criticized the show in the
595
00:35:09,192 --> 00:35:12,675
past of having. Feel like it's
from New England, you know?
596
00:35:14,056 --> 00:35:19,139
Very sterile, in a sense. And
usually sexuality is used as a
597
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:24,483
comic relief. Like, I'm thinking
like Neelix dating the Klingon
598
00:35:24,563 --> 00:35:26,045
lady with the big boobs, you
know?
599
00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:27,125
Yeah, yeah.
600
00:35:27,406 --> 00:35:30,508
And now we're sort of seeing,
you know, not just same-sex
601
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:34,371
relationships, but all kinds of
sexuality presented in a very
602
00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:39,698
matter-of-fact and integral to
the plot. Of the show, you know?
603
00:35:39,699 --> 00:35:41,999
So are we, basically, are we
going to start seeing, you know,
604
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,480
romantic scenes with the Klingon
and the demon Twink?
605
00:35:46,601 --> 00:35:52,883
Kyle. I mean, Kyle is definitely
in the second season. I'd say in
606
00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:57,365
the second season of the show.
And yeah, I guess if you want
607
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,205
more of that, you have to.
608
00:35:58,585 --> 00:35:58,865
Right.
609
00:35:59,786 --> 00:36:01,967
Right. Yeah. Express your
interest.
610
00:36:01,968 --> 00:36:05,348
We need to do a, refilm some of
these shots to please Mark and
611
00:36:05,368 --> 00:36:05,828
Fausto.
612
00:36:08,446 --> 00:36:12,929
We played Klingons once in a
Chicago had a version of a
613
00:36:13,029 --> 00:36:15,972
Klingon Christmas carol. And so
the guy that put it together
614
00:36:16,012 --> 00:36:19,375
invited us to come on and and do
a couple of lines. So we got
615
00:36:19,415 --> 00:36:22,657
dressed up as Klingons. It was
really a lot of fun. It was nice
616
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:24,939
about the lines. We didn't even
have to memorize them completely
617
00:36:25,019 --> 00:36:28,522
because they were on like a TV
screen above us. So we could
618
00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:30,064
just basically read them.
619
00:36:31,084 --> 00:36:35,368
So I had to say that sometimes
for actors to kiss, kiss my dark
620
00:36:35,568 --> 00:36:37,513
chief jar. Do you know what that
means?
621
00:36:38,174 --> 00:36:38,294
No.
622
00:36:38,754 --> 00:36:40,375
May you enjoy Christmas.
623
00:36:42,056 --> 00:36:44,397
You actually sounded like Jean
LaCheu saying it as well.
624
00:36:44,437 --> 00:36:47,679
Thank you. It's my, the demon
voice and the Klingon voice is
625
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,540
the same thing, you know. I
mean, that comes with
626
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,062
bodybuilding, you know, you're
grunting, you know, and there
627
00:36:54,122 --> 00:36:57,064
comes, you know, and you start
sounding like a Klingon. Now, in
628
00:36:57,065 --> 00:37:00,386
the future, you know, a thousand
years in the future there, you
629
00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:03,247
know, in terms of categories,
we've already seen
630
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,289
diversification of.
631
00:37:06,509 --> 00:37:10,632
Categories so like originally in
arnold's time there was only one
632
00:37:10,692 --> 00:37:15,496
category and now we have you
know classic physique physique
633
00:37:15,997 --> 00:37:22,042
open bodybuilding wellness and
so and and we can see future
634
00:37:22,062 --> 00:37:27,766
categories sprouting involving
as as humanity responds to new
635
00:37:29,408 --> 00:37:33,371
abilities and challenges right
and so one thing i was thinking
636
00:37:33,391 --> 00:37:36,153
it was like we probably will
still have natural as a
637
00:37:36,173 --> 00:37:41,676
category, but then we'll also
have augmented, which is DNA and
638
00:37:41,696 --> 00:37:43,336
other types of medical things,
right?
639
00:37:44,077 --> 00:37:44,217
Yeah.
640
00:37:44,877 --> 00:37:49,799
But we would also have enhanced,
like, what is it a term when
641
00:37:49,899 --> 00:37:56,722
Star Trek uses when they put,
you know, like the Borg. Cyborg.
642
00:37:56,802 --> 00:38:00,224
Cybernetic implants, you know?
So imagine, like, your hips
643
00:38:00,664 --> 00:38:03,045
being replaced or your knees
being replaced with...
644
00:38:03,485 --> 00:38:06,468
Mechanical components that are
actually superior to what the
645
00:38:06,488 --> 00:38:10,292
body does naturally yeah you
might be able to get a
646
00:38:10,312 --> 00:38:15,097
replacement heart one that can
actually cope with a much higher
647
00:38:15,197 --> 00:38:19,261
sort of cardiac sort of output
and kind of allow you to you
648
00:38:19,262 --> 00:38:23,286
know super oxygenate your
muscles and equivalent being in
649
00:38:23,287 --> 00:38:27,549
a hyperbaric chamber you know
for your body and Yeah, you
650
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:29,190
could have, I guess, hollow
coaches.
651
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:31,591
So you could have like your own
personal instructor that kind of
652
00:38:31,611 --> 00:38:35,573
follows you around like a hollow
and internally regulates all
653
00:38:35,593 --> 00:38:38,355
your body systems. And, you
know.
654
00:38:38,356 --> 00:38:41,856
A lot of people are using AI
right now to to to train
655
00:38:41,896 --> 00:38:42,397
themselves.
656
00:38:43,433 --> 00:38:47,435
Yeah, there's absolutely no AI
right now for that.
657
00:38:47,436 --> 00:38:50,336
Well, like, you know, like there
's a lot of AI apps and people
658
00:38:50,356 --> 00:38:54,238
are using AI platforms to
develop nutrition plans and
659
00:38:54,278 --> 00:38:56,979
workouts and even steroid cycles
for themselves.
660
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:02,501
Now, be careful because they,
you know, I plugged in some
661
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:06,423
numbers for myself out of
curiosity and it was like, oh,
662
00:39:06,983 --> 00:39:11,993
do, you know, five plates of a
bench press. And I was like. I
663
00:39:11,994 --> 00:39:14,474
think you may be hallucinating
because that's definitely not
664
00:39:14,534 --> 00:39:16,075
within the realm of possibility.
665
00:39:16,656 --> 00:39:19,037
I had this conversation with AI
yesterday, actually. I was
666
00:39:19,197 --> 00:39:22,859
trying to post just a slideshow
kind of reel to my stories on
667
00:39:22,879 --> 00:39:24,700
Instagram, and I couldn't work
it out to get the music
668
00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:28,642
continuous. And I asked the same
question five times to chat GPT.
669
00:39:28,643 --> 00:39:31,704
I got five completely different
responses told with complete
670
00:39:31,724 --> 00:39:33,085
confidence. All of them were
wrong.
671
00:39:33,925 --> 00:39:37,027
And, yeah, I was like, what is
wrong with you? Why do you
672
00:39:37,407 --> 00:39:40,509
always give such a confident
answer? Like it's the definitive
673
00:39:40,549 --> 00:39:44,016
truth. And you're wrong. Like,
how does that keep happening?
674
00:39:44,017 --> 00:39:47,480
How does it happen five times in
a row? And yeah, I don't feel
675
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,923
like AI is something that people
should necessarily trust with
676
00:39:49,924 --> 00:39:50,704
their health right now.
677
00:39:51,405 --> 00:39:54,989
Well, once I'm a futurologist in
bodybuilding or writing about
678
00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:59,875
this and saying that
competitions might not even take
679
00:39:59,876 --> 00:39:59,975
place.
680
00:40:00,388 --> 00:40:04,390
In front of an audience, but
take place at home with, with
681
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:09,712
cameras and devices measuring
your body and you being like,
682
00:40:09,792 --> 00:40:13,974
okay, at this point in time,
you're the most aesthetic or you
683
00:40:13,975 --> 00:40:15,955
have a certain ratio that's
happening.
684
00:40:16,395 --> 00:40:18,996
But, you know, part of
bodybuilding is also it's
685
00:40:19,416 --> 00:40:24,718
artistic and it is subject to a
human being's reaction to seeing
686
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,500
you on stage. It's not an, not
something you can just say,
687
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:32,662
okay, if you're... Chest is 46
inches and your waist is 28
688
00:40:33,083 --> 00:40:34,804
inches, then you're the winner.
689
00:40:36,365 --> 00:40:38,706
Well, I guess in the 32nd
century, suddenly they have
690
00:40:38,726 --> 00:40:41,608
hollows. So you could, you know,
essentially it's like being
691
00:40:41,648 --> 00:40:45,770
there. The, the hollows in 32nd
century kind of interact with
692
00:40:45,771 --> 00:40:48,892
the spaces. If there's stairs,
they go up the stairs, you know,
693
00:40:48,972 --> 00:40:53,715
they are, tantamount to like a
physical kind of presence.
694
00:40:54,516 --> 00:40:57,112
Although they, glitch ever so
slightly so we know that the
695
00:40:57,153 --> 00:41:03,314
hollows but yeah i i mean i
guess it does allow people to
696
00:41:04,034 --> 00:41:07,195
travel for competition without
actually traveling so yeah it
697
00:41:07,196 --> 00:41:10,216
kind of makes sense yeah well
nutrition is an interesting
698
00:41:10,276 --> 00:41:13,057
thing a lot of people have
talked about start that on Star
699
00:41:13,117 --> 00:41:16,718
Trek is like you could have the
perfect diet you eat whatever
700
00:41:16,738 --> 00:41:20,019
you want and then use the
transporter to beam it out of
701
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:20,659
your stomach.
702
00:41:22,959 --> 00:41:24,520
So it's a futuristic bulimia.
703
00:41:25,196 --> 00:41:26,257
You found a hack already.
704
00:41:27,858 --> 00:41:30,540
Well, it's not my idea. Like,
people have made videos about
705
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,223
this stuff, you know. And part
of it is, like, I was thinking
706
00:41:34,243 --> 00:41:36,945
about, you know, in the terms of
the history of nutrition and
707
00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:41,288
sci-fi, the most iconic thing we
think about is, like, pills. You
708
00:41:41,308 --> 00:41:45,831
know, and the Jetsons, most
famously, they're either eating
709
00:41:45,911 --> 00:41:49,134
pills or they have pills on a
plate and they pour water and
710
00:41:49,135 --> 00:41:51,856
it, you know, instantly turns
into a turkey dinner.
711
00:41:52,412 --> 00:41:55,894
Or in Back to the Future, where
they have a dehydrated pizza
712
00:41:56,294 --> 00:42:00,315
that they stick in a food
rehydrator, and it turns into
713
00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:03,917
this mouth-watering drill that's
just pizza. But the weird thing
714
00:42:03,937 --> 00:42:08,139
about Star Trek that never gets
addressed is showing, and of
715
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,500
course, you know, sci-fi is
whatever the writers want to
716
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:17,623
happen. But you have people from
different species and different
717
00:42:17,683 --> 00:42:20,444
planets, different evolutionary
paths.
718
00:42:21,368 --> 00:42:25,710
Eating the same food not not
actually technically no yeah the
719
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:31,512
Klingons they like blood stew
and that gets you know basically
720
00:42:31,973 --> 00:42:35,674
you know bean from the
replicator but yeah like a an
721
00:42:35,734 --> 00:42:38,335
earthling would have a different
diet so right.
722
00:42:38,375 --> 00:42:42,597
But if you if you ate you know
if your dog ate chocolate it
723
00:42:42,617 --> 00:42:47,119
would shit on itself and
possibly die right and people
724
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,090
think oh is it just chocolate
that dogs can't eat them. There
725
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:54,148
's a wide variety of foods and
human and dogs coexist and love
726
00:42:54,188 --> 00:42:58,171
each other for millennia, but we
don't eat the same foods. And so
727
00:42:58,351 --> 00:43:01,253
the thing that always drives me
crazy when I see, you know,
728
00:43:02,014 --> 00:43:03,415
Enelix in Voyager.
729
00:43:05,637 --> 00:43:09,240
There's a whole storyline around
that in Starfleet, actually. Oh,
730
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:13,604
there is. Oh, great. When they
eat banana. But yeah, there's
731
00:43:13,605 --> 00:43:17,927
kind of, yeah, it's a thing.
Yeah, it's covered.
732
00:43:19,148 --> 00:43:21,690
And so in the future, in terms
of bodybuilding, it'd be really
733
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:26,293
interesting to thinking about
how nutrition is going and
734
00:43:26,313 --> 00:43:29,716
technology is going to be not
only just feeding our bodies
735
00:43:29,756 --> 00:43:33,258
differently, but also allowing
our bodies to repair themselves
736
00:43:33,619 --> 00:43:40,784
almost instantaneously. And we
see these devices healing cuts,
737
00:43:41,364 --> 00:43:44,807
but we don't really think about
it in terms of recovery from
738
00:43:44,867 --> 00:43:46,308
exercise or strain.
739
00:43:46,568 --> 00:43:51,169
There was one episode in Next
Generation that somebody had
740
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:54,710
been playing, I guess, the
future equivalent of tennis. And
741
00:43:54,711 --> 00:43:58,131
they had a tennis elbow. And so
they went to the doctor, Beverly
742
00:43:58,191 --> 00:44:01,072
Crusher, and she just scans
their elbow and heals them
743
00:44:01,112 --> 00:44:01,572
instantly.
744
00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:04,053
But if you think about
bodybuilding in the future, if
745
00:44:04,054 --> 00:44:08,034
we have that kind of technology,
then you can train as hard as
746
00:44:08,035 --> 00:44:14,716
you want to and even break bones
and cartilage. Me But, you know,
747
00:44:14,976 --> 00:44:19,918
muscle grows when you're able to
optimize the healing. And so you
748
00:44:19,919 --> 00:44:24,639
can imagine this idea of healing
the body so efficiently to make
749
00:44:24,659 --> 00:44:27,160
it not challenging to build
muscle.
750
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,621
Yeah. No, absolutely. Actually,
we, in the second season, so a
751
00:44:33,221 --> 00:44:36,342
bit of a spoiler, but we kind of
redesigned our med bay and kind
752
00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:40,603
of brought in these devices that
kind of, you know, anticipate a
753
00:44:40,623 --> 00:44:42,684
lot of what you're talking
about. Yeah.
754
00:44:44,985 --> 00:44:48,568
How does bodybuilding look like
for you in your personal future?
755
00:44:48,588 --> 00:44:50,430
Because you work so hard.
756
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:54,193
Yeah, right? So I don't have
much of a life outside of work,
757
00:44:54,313 --> 00:44:55,014
to be honest.
758
00:44:56,575 --> 00:44:59,697
We work kind of 12-hour days. We
shoot 12-hour days. And then,
759
00:45:00,218 --> 00:45:02,680
you know, for the talent, it's
even worse because they have to
760
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,402
sometimes arrive hours ahead of
time for prosthetics and
761
00:45:05,462 --> 00:45:09,445
processing and makeup and
prosthetics before they even get
762
00:45:09,465 --> 00:45:12,047
to be on camera. And then it's a
12-hour shooting day.
763
00:45:12,127 --> 00:45:15,345
And then... A lot of departments
have to stay late to wrap, and
764
00:45:15,545 --> 00:45:19,726
by the time it's all said and
done, they only get eight hours
765
00:45:19,806 --> 00:45:25,848
of actual time to themselves. So
it's kind of hard to shoehorn in
766
00:45:25,928 --> 00:45:31,049
much of a life outside of that.
So for me, because I'm a
767
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:33,790
department head, I kind of abuse
my position a little bit.
768
00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:36,510
So I go home a little bit
earlier than the shooting crew
769
00:45:36,791 --> 00:45:41,572
most days, but I only really get
about 40 minutes in the gym a
770
00:45:41,592 --> 00:45:46,374
day. That's as much as I can
sort of manage and I kind of
771
00:45:46,394 --> 00:45:49,356
need it because it's, I suffer
from anxiety and depression. So
772
00:45:49,396 --> 00:45:53,758
it kind of regulates my mood.
That's my mood regulator.
773
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,201
So I don't know if I'd have the
same motivation to go to the gym
774
00:45:59,241 --> 00:46:04,544
if I wasn't, you know, kind of
motivated by that sort of desire
775
00:46:04,624 --> 00:46:07,826
to, yeah, kind of balance out my
mood.
776
00:46:08,086 --> 00:46:11,268
Well, when you're designing
these sets like it. Was there
777
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:16,010
any like, you know, let's make a
gym of the future?
778
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:19,732
I actually was asked to do a
gym. It was very hard because,
779
00:46:19,972 --> 00:46:22,393
you know, other than
anti-gravity weights, it's like,
780
00:46:22,394 --> 00:46:27,715
well, and what would a gym of
the future actually be? Because
781
00:46:27,775 --> 00:46:32,937
presumably you could just, you
know, transform muscle itself at
782
00:46:32,938 --> 00:46:36,278
a kind of structural level. You
wouldn't need to actually go
783
00:46:36,279 --> 00:46:38,439
through the whole process of
breaking down the muscle,
784
00:46:38,499 --> 00:46:40,240
rebuilding the muscle to have
thicker.
785
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:45,823
Muscle strands you could just
you know kind of call it up like
786
00:46:45,824 --> 00:46:50,586
a program on a machine so yeah
it's a good point like
787
00:46:50,606 --> 00:46:53,187
everything becomes very easy in
the future when you don't have
788
00:46:53,188 --> 00:46:56,369
to walk from a to b that was
actually another story conceit
789
00:46:56,429 --> 00:47:00,091
that you know they had the
transporter for some time but a
790
00:47:00,092 --> 00:47:02,432
lot of the scenes are written as
walk and talk like people are
791
00:47:02,433 --> 00:47:05,514
actually walking and talking so
why would they walk if they
792
00:47:05,534 --> 00:47:10,613
could just transport so we said
well okay let's maybe imagine
793
00:47:10,693 --> 00:47:13,374
that the transporter uses energy
and there's like an energy
794
00:47:13,474 --> 00:47:16,836
shortage so you know they don't
have enough energy credits to be
795
00:47:16,876 --> 00:47:20,518
able to transport from one place
to the other so they have to
796
00:47:20,558 --> 00:47:25,901
walk so yeah we don't really see
them exercising in Star Trek
797
00:47:25,981 --> 00:47:29,983
except for that ones i think one
or two scenes in next generation
798
00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:34,646
with beverly crush genesis oh
genesis does yeah i think her
799
00:47:34,706 --> 00:47:38,088
character she's up at like four
in the morning during kind of
800
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:38,608
push-ups.
801
00:47:39,744 --> 00:47:39,905
Yeah.
802
00:47:40,565 --> 00:47:43,627
Well, and part of it is, you
know, just like in, we've seen
803
00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:46,588
lots of characters doing this,
they call it old school, which
804
00:47:46,648 --> 00:47:51,771
is contemporary school for us.
But, you know, they're, they're
805
00:47:51,831 --> 00:47:59,916
wanting to gain access to their
history by experiencing it
806
00:48:00,196 --> 00:48:01,617
firsthand, what it was like.
807
00:48:03,098 --> 00:48:07,872
And so a lot of characters do,
do things like cooking. Which
808
00:48:07,892 --> 00:48:11,915
you don't really need to cook in
the Star Trek world. But knowing
809
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:15,557
how to cook and being good at
cooking, even if you're feeding
810
00:48:16,597 --> 00:48:20,719
a species that might die because
they're allergic to water.
811
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,042
You've got like Calric and his
tea fetish, and he's all about
812
00:48:26,142 --> 00:48:29,084
preparing tea in a particular
way, and everything has to be
813
00:48:29,124 --> 00:48:33,186
done in a very ritualistic kind
of way. But I guess for his
814
00:48:33,226 --> 00:48:37,929
character, it's kind of a
therapeutic. Kind of deal where
815
00:48:37,969 --> 00:48:43,492
he's kind of, there's a calming
kind of respectful tradition
816
00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:45,353
there with tea for his
character.
817
00:48:45,473 --> 00:48:49,416
So I guess each character, it's
kind of what defines the quirks
818
00:48:49,417 --> 00:48:52,337
of those characters. The fact
that, you know, in a world where
819
00:48:52,417 --> 00:48:56,099
everything could be really
simple, they choose to, they
820
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,301
pick and choose what to
incorporate into their lives.
821
00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:03,204
Well, and Vulcans are no longer
called Vulcans in Starfleet
822
00:49:03,244 --> 00:49:07,610
Academy. Is what I was hearing,
watching in the last episode
823
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:08,390
that aired.
824
00:49:08,391 --> 00:49:11,152
They're still Vulcans, but their
planet is called a different
825
00:49:11,153 --> 00:49:11,832
thing. Oh, okay.
826
00:49:11,912 --> 00:49:14,793
That's right. We don't live on
Earth.
827
00:49:14,794 --> 00:49:16,394
We live on humans.
828
00:49:19,256 --> 00:49:26,220
Yeah, there wasn't much
appearance of Vulcans in the
829
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,742
first season, certainly, of
Starfleet Academy. There are new
830
00:49:31,502 --> 00:49:34,164
cultures being introduced into
canon in the second season.
831
00:49:35,145 --> 00:49:38,969
So you can wait and see. And,
you know, in terms of, because
832
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:42,653
we're wrapping up here, you
know, in terms of like looking
833
00:49:42,993 --> 00:49:46,811
back on your work that you've
done for this show. And you're
834
00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:50,854
walking around and what's like
to you to just like, Oh my God,
835
00:49:50,974 --> 00:49:55,155
I can't believe I made this like
that's your most proudest of.
836
00:49:55,697 --> 00:49:58,637
Well, okay. First of all, I
can't take, claim exclusive
837
00:49:58,658 --> 00:50:02,820
credit to anything like that. I
have a small army of people kind
838
00:50:02,822 --> 00:50:03,441
of working with me.
839
00:50:05,102 --> 00:50:08,584
And have, you know, a wonderful
like paint and construction
840
00:50:08,624 --> 00:50:13,648
team, set deck team, props team,
you know, We have mold shops,
841
00:50:13,688 --> 00:50:17,370
mold makers, 3D printers going
night and day, like 24-7, all
842
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:18,812
through Christmas, people are
coming in.
843
00:50:20,233 --> 00:50:23,215
You know, when people say, this
is AI, no, we didn't use AI for
844
00:50:23,216 --> 00:50:27,099
the show at all. Everything that
you see on camera was created in
845
00:50:27,139 --> 00:50:28,800
some shape or form by a human
being.
846
00:50:30,341 --> 00:50:36,006
And, yeah, it's but when I walk
into the atrium every time, I
847
00:50:36,305 --> 00:50:42,591
kind of think, what was I
thinking? Because I just... The
848
00:50:42,631 --> 00:50:45,811
show had always been, you know,
these little kind of airlocked
849
00:50:45,892 --> 00:50:50,394
spaces and kind of separated
from one another. And I remember
850
00:50:50,753 --> 00:50:54,015
when I got the first script and
it talked about Satter Atrium
851
00:50:54,055 --> 00:50:56,015
and this kind of 20-story
atrium.
852
00:50:56,035 --> 00:50:58,197
And I said to Alex, do you
really mean this? Like, it
853
00:50:58,718 --> 00:51:01,878
sounds like a cruise ship. This
is big. He goes, yeah, I want to
854
00:51:01,918 --> 00:51:06,640
make it big. And so we kind of,
to budgetarily make it possible,
855
00:51:06,642 --> 00:51:11,202
we rolled a lot of sets into one
big meta set. So classrooms,
856
00:51:11,262 --> 00:51:11,843
bleachers.
857
00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:17,004
Mess halls you know we threw all
the money into one big pot and
858
00:51:17,024 --> 00:51:22,506
then yeah we built you know the
biggest set in Star Trek history
859
00:51:22,606 --> 00:51:28,207
it's 65 feet tall it's I can't
remember what the square footage
860
00:51:28,207 --> 00:51:30,388
is but it's the biggest
soundstage in Canada when it was
861
00:51:30,428 --> 00:51:33,769
built it was the biggest
soundstage in the world and it
862
00:51:33,909 --> 00:51:37,110
fills it and everything is
rigged to fly you know our
863
00:51:37,669 --> 00:51:40,011
amazing sort of rep department
kind of designed it so
864
00:51:40,031 --> 00:51:43,493
everything is essentially wild
for camera it can all be moved
865
00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:48,296
and yeah when you walk into that
space and it's all lit and that
866
00:51:48,356 --> 00:51:51,459
three-story video wall is up and
running it's kind of
867
00:51:51,479 --> 00:51:54,962
overwhelming it feels you know
like you have it's truly
868
00:51:55,021 --> 00:51:58,524
immersive the video wall is
three stories yes.
869
00:51:58,865 --> 00:52:01,006
And that's the kind of video
wall that they film like other
870
00:52:01,106 --> 00:52:05,070
tv shows like the Mandalorian it
's famous yeah but is that the
871
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:05,890
same thing Thank you.
872
00:52:06,671 --> 00:52:10,834
Almost. It's not live tracked to
the camera, but we have control
873
00:52:10,894 --> 00:52:14,495
through Unreal Engine of the
assets. We can move it. We do
874
00:52:14,535 --> 00:52:17,097
have another wall. We call it
the wall, the virtual production
875
00:52:17,137 --> 00:52:20,459
wall, which is that, which is
like a horseshoe shaped wall. It
876
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,401
has a video monitors on the
ceiling, the walls, you know,
877
00:52:24,481 --> 00:52:30,485
that is also, you know, we a lot
of what you see that people
878
00:52:30,505 --> 00:52:32,626
assume is done in
post-production. It isn't. We
879
00:52:32,986 --> 00:52:33,267
shoot it.
880
00:52:33,827 --> 00:52:37,528
Live in camera into the wall and
we prepare those assets usually
881
00:52:37,608 --> 00:52:42,528
three four months out and you
know we have blend days where we
882
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:45,749
go down to the wall and stand
there with cinematographer and
883
00:52:45,970 --> 00:52:49,591
Alex and Noga and the director
and we and you know tindy and
884
00:52:49,651 --> 00:52:52,091
everyone else that's kind of
creatively involved with the
885
00:52:52,111 --> 00:52:57,653
show and we yeah we we look at
it and we make adjustments to it
886
00:52:57,774 --> 00:53:01,635
and so that when it shoots on
the day, it all kind of looks
887
00:53:01,695 --> 00:53:02,115
seamless.
888
00:53:03,135 --> 00:53:07,238
And for people who may not be
familiar with this technology, I
889
00:53:07,258 --> 00:53:12,061
think it was developed or
pioneered during Star Wars and
890
00:53:12,061 --> 00:53:16,403
the Mandalorian in order to save
money, but also to expand the
891
00:53:16,423 --> 00:53:20,087
world where all the action takes
place. And essentially it's a
892
00:53:20,167 --> 00:53:24,510
giant wall that is synchronized
most of the time with a camera.
893
00:53:25,189 --> 00:53:29,153
So it creates this illusion that
they're out in the desert or in
894
00:53:29,153 --> 00:53:31,954
a faraway place, but they're
just in a soundstage.
895
00:53:32,798 --> 00:53:34,959
Yeah, that's correct. So
everything is live tracked to
896
00:53:34,961 --> 00:53:37,300
the camera. We have sensors
around the space, which kind of
897
00:53:37,301 --> 00:53:40,260
knows what lens the camera is
using, which direction it's
898
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,122
pointing in. Everything just
virtually extends into the wall
899
00:53:43,222 --> 00:53:47,043
so that there's no real kind of
visible interruption between the
900
00:53:47,062 --> 00:53:48,363
physical set and the virtual.
901
00:53:49,104 --> 00:53:51,584
And they use it a lot for sci-fi
because you create such
902
00:53:51,644 --> 00:53:53,845
extraordinary things, but they
even use it for something like
903
00:53:53,865 --> 00:53:57,506
heated rivalry. That scene where
they're like at the beach, you
904
00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:00,606
know, there's just sitting on
imported sand in a studio
905
00:54:00,747 --> 00:54:01,726
watching a sunset.
906
00:54:02,399 --> 00:54:05,421
Yeah. And you know what? That's
not even like traditional sand.
907
00:54:05,441 --> 00:54:08,624
The sand we use is a special
sand. It's actually got like a
908
00:54:08,664 --> 00:54:13,368
Crayola crayon dye in it. And so
it doesn't track or get into the
909
00:54:13,408 --> 00:54:19,032
camera or the wall. It's like
$30,000 to fill the volume with
910
00:54:19,072 --> 00:54:19,773
that sand.
911
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:24,356
That's interesting because like
people were criticizing heated
912
00:54:24,416 --> 00:54:26,858
rivalry. The people in Florida,
they're like, that's not
913
00:54:26,938 --> 00:54:28,039
Floridian sand.
914
00:54:28,363 --> 00:54:34,908
It's not if they use the wall no
well you know you're living in
915
00:54:34,909 --> 00:54:37,590
Canada so i imagine that you
know people must be super
916
00:54:37,850 --> 00:54:40,872
excited about heated rivalry and
everything especially you being
917
00:54:40,872 --> 00:54:43,154
in Toronto where i know i
actually i actually got sent the
918
00:54:43,173 --> 00:54:48,578
scripts for it and called my
agent was like no i didn't know
919
00:54:48,579 --> 00:54:53,481
it was going to be such a huge
success but yeah i yeah oh no
920
00:54:53,501 --> 00:54:56,570
regrets i've been on Star Trek
you're on Star Trek you I mean,
921
00:54:56,571 --> 00:54:57,731
that's a pretty big deal.
922
00:54:58,411 --> 00:55:02,353
In terms of your work and
legacy, you've done so much
923
00:55:02,373 --> 00:55:06,814
amazing work elsewhere, and you
have an amazing body of work. In
924
00:55:06,834 --> 00:55:10,356
terms of This Starfleet Academy,
because we're big fans, we enjoy
925
00:55:10,376 --> 00:55:17,359
the show, but in terms of youth,
LGBTQ youth, outsiders and
926
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,561
misfits, what do you feel like
they're walking into your vision
927
00:55:22,581 --> 00:55:23,281
of the future?
928
00:55:24,662 --> 00:55:28,123
Do you hope they take away from
that?
929
00:55:28,124 --> 00:55:31,564
I guess that everyone's welcome
at that table. I just don't feel
930
00:55:31,664 --> 00:55:36,405
like we should be excluding
anyone. People are beautiful. We
931
00:55:36,445 --> 00:55:40,086
should just celebrate diversity.
I know it sounds cliche, but
932
00:55:41,047 --> 00:55:46,468
trying to take away the voice of
people is never progress for any
933
00:55:46,848 --> 00:55:48,649
civilization, any species.
934
00:55:50,189 --> 00:55:54,863
And that was Gene Roddenberry's.
Core tenant of the show was
935
00:55:54,864 --> 00:56:01,026
that, you know, that races work
together to make things better.
936
00:56:01,027 --> 00:56:02,747
And this is the only way we can
progress.
937
00:56:03,608 --> 00:56:06,910
Well, and certainly, you know,
Carl Sagan's works and books
938
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:11,392
influenced the next generation,
literally. And there's a Carl
939
00:56:11,452 --> 00:56:15,334
Sagan station. And, you know, if
you if you do want to go back to
940
00:56:15,335 --> 00:56:19,977
the source materials and are you
big fan of Star Trek, I highly
941
00:56:20,037 --> 00:56:22,198
recommend reading Carl Sagan's
Contact.
942
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:26,112
Or a pale blue dot, Contact was
turned into a film with Jodie
943
00:56:26,113 --> 00:56:29,853
Foster. And, you know, it brings
up all these interesting
944
00:56:30,233 --> 00:56:35,215
questions and allegories that
challenge us and inspire us to
945
00:56:35,756 --> 00:56:37,997
create the best world possible
for everybody.
946
00:56:38,957 --> 00:56:42,319
Yeah, there's a whole universe
out there that we don't yet
947
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:48,581
know. And I think imagining what
that could be is kind of key to,
948
00:56:48,981 --> 00:56:50,262
you know, what Star Trek is
about.
949
00:56:50,974 --> 00:56:55,257
Well, yeah, it was at Auntie
Mame said, life is a banquet,
950
00:56:55,337 --> 00:56:59,501
darling. And those most poor
suckers are starving to death.
951
00:57:01,202 --> 00:57:04,625
And certainly, you know, I hope
that the show inspires people to
952
00:57:05,345 --> 00:57:09,809
boldly go where they haven't
gone before and seek exciting
953
00:57:09,849 --> 00:57:14,152
new civilizations and adventures
and get out of their comfort
954
00:57:14,232 --> 00:57:14,512
zone.
955
00:57:15,193 --> 00:57:15,953
Yeah, we hope so.
956
00:57:17,406 --> 00:57:21,647
Matthew, thank you so much for
talking to us about Star Trek
957
00:57:21,927 --> 00:57:25,168
Starfleet Academy. Is that the
I'm like, what is that? It's
958
00:57:25,208 --> 00:57:25,468
not. Yeah.
959
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:30,890
Star Trek colon Starfleet
Academy. Oh, just Starfleet
960
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:31,330
Academy.
961
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:35,431
Starfleet Academy. It's a really
fun show. I hope it continues
962
00:57:35,451 --> 00:57:39,772
and has the legacy and the
impact that all the popular Star
963
00:57:39,812 --> 00:57:42,453
Trek shows like, of course, the
original series and Next
964
00:57:42,473 --> 00:57:44,893
Generation, Deep Space Nine and
Voyager have had.
965
00:57:45,814 --> 00:57:46,674
Yes, let's hope so.
966
00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:49,231
If not, it was a nice job.
967
00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:49,611
Yeah.
968
00:57:51,072 --> 00:57:52,212
You did a great set design.
969
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:53,813
It was almost, it lasted. It was
so much fun.
970
00:57:53,933 --> 00:57:55,694
Well, you had a huge budget,
right?
971
00:57:56,854 --> 00:57:59,975
We had a good-sized budget. Not
nearly as much as, you know,
972
00:58:00,035 --> 00:58:04,617
Star Wars. I doubt, you know,
we, and every penny is accounted
973
00:58:04,677 --> 00:58:09,620
for, I can tell you. You know, a
lot of conversations about
974
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:12,381
trying to control cost and keep
things manageable.
975
00:58:12,601 --> 00:58:16,866
And, you know, I also have to
protect. My team and make sure
976
00:58:16,886 --> 00:58:19,647
that everything that's being
promised can be delivered, you
977
00:58:19,648 --> 00:58:22,848
know, upon those expectations.
So there is always a need to
978
00:58:22,868 --> 00:58:24,869
kind of rein things in to make
things realistic.
979
00:58:26,489 --> 00:58:30,330
But yeah, no, we had enough
money to be truly creative and
980
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:35,411
everyone was very invested in
that. And, you know, very, we
981
00:58:35,451 --> 00:58:37,132
really just want to make the
best possible show.
982
00:58:38,112 --> 00:58:42,133
Well, congratulations. We're big
fans. And people want to like,
983
00:58:42,653 --> 00:58:44,774
check out your amazing physique.
984
00:58:46,935 --> 00:58:51,218
You have basically a profile on
Instagram.
985
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:55,741
Can we share it with the public?
986
00:58:56,802 --> 00:58:59,043
I don't know. Maybe in the
comments.
987
00:58:59,904 --> 00:59:02,506
Message me and I'll share. Is
that okay if I just pass it on
988
00:59:02,546 --> 00:59:02,906
to them?
989
00:59:03,426 --> 00:59:05,267
They can just also Google it.
990
00:59:06,628 --> 00:59:09,590
What? We'll have two accounts.
991
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:13,293
He has a public and a gym selfie
account.
992
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:14,794
I don't know. Yeah.
993
00:59:15,094 --> 00:59:20,638
So it's pretty impressive. We'll
put a nice photo of you against
994
00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:21,339
your work.
995
00:59:21,979 --> 00:59:25,482
But you know what? I'll post to
my suitable for work account,
996
00:59:25,483 --> 00:59:28,684
you know, like a trailer for the
show. I'll get like 10 likes.
997
00:59:28,904 --> 00:59:33,448
And I'll take my shirt off at
the gym, snap a selfie, post it
998
00:59:33,449 --> 00:59:38,011
as I'm walking out, and get like
2,400 likes. It's just funny.
999
00:59:38,012 --> 00:59:39,512
Instagram was built for sex.
1000
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:41,474
Apparently so.
1001
00:59:42,094 --> 00:59:44,318
Well, it's interesting, too,
because a lot of these fitness
1002
00:59:44,378 --> 00:59:48,284
influencers, if they want you
not to flirt with them, they put
1003
00:59:48,364 --> 00:59:51,149
biblical quotes or religious
iconography.
1004
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:52,371
That'll do it.
1005
00:59:52,431 --> 00:59:54,434
And for some people, that's even
a bigger turn on.
1006
00:59:56,337 --> 00:59:58,519
They're like a crucifix. Okay.
1007
01:00:02,903 --> 01:00:05,585
Matthew, it's a pleasure. You
used to live in Chicago, right?
1008
01:00:06,345 --> 01:00:08,767
No, I was dating someone from
Chicago.
1009
01:00:08,787 --> 01:00:12,350
Oh, that's why you were here all
the time. So, okay. Well, if
1010
01:00:12,351 --> 01:00:15,293
you're ever in town, let's go
hit the gym together.
1011
01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:16,654
Sure, go to Quads.
1012
01:00:17,074 --> 01:00:19,416
And go into the bodybuilding
future.
1013
01:00:20,157 --> 01:00:20,497
Okay.
1014
01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:24,260
Quads is a legacy gym that has a
lot of...
1015
01:00:25,821 --> 01:00:28,642
You know, traditional
weightlifting equipment. You can
1016
01:00:28,662 --> 01:00:32,883
actually do leg extensions on
the original Nautilus machine
1017
01:00:33,283 --> 01:00:38,425
developed by, what's his name?
The Juice Man Master.
1018
01:00:39,886 --> 01:00:43,147
What was it? I forgot his name.
1019
01:00:43,347 --> 01:00:44,207
Juice Man.
1020
01:00:46,288 --> 01:00:50,509
Latoya? Lane. Jack LaLanne.
Latoya.
1021
01:00:53,311 --> 01:00:56,795
So jack laurlaine he invented
the smith machine he invented
1022
01:00:57,276 --> 01:01:00,518
the like the Nautilus like
extension machine and a few
1023
01:01:01,299 --> 01:01:05,223
machines that we still use to
this day in bodybuilding and the
1024
01:01:05,224 --> 01:01:11,168
those are still there well
maintained at quads and a lot of
1025
01:01:11,429 --> 01:01:13,891
you know i grew up weight
lifting and bodybuilding in the
1026
01:01:14,471 --> 01:01:17,893
1980s. And so some of the, so...
When you see some of this
1027
01:01:17,933 --> 01:01:20,534
equipment, you get a sense of
nostalgia, like you're in high
1028
01:01:20,574 --> 01:01:21,154
school again.
1029
01:01:24,275 --> 01:01:26,896
There's a couple of gyms that
are coming to Chicago that are
1030
01:01:26,916 --> 01:01:31,457
going to be opening up here.
Absolute Recomp is one of them.
1031
01:01:32,017 --> 01:01:35,038
And you can write to them if you
want them on Instagram to see
1032
01:01:35,578 --> 01:01:37,259
where they're going to be
building it, because they
1033
01:01:37,299 --> 01:01:38,919
haven't announced the location
yet.
1034
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,581
It's going to be three times the
size of an average gym with all
1035
01:01:44,661 --> 01:01:45,681
modern equipment.
1036
01:01:46,185 --> 01:01:48,547
Well, add it to the Frank Lloyd
Wright tour.
1037
01:01:48,587 --> 01:01:51,469
Right. You know, the thing about
it is all these modern gyms,
1038
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:56,832
they're going back to the 1980s
aesthetic with dark walls, neon.
1039
01:01:57,313 --> 01:02:00,095
You know, they're trying to make
it look more like a nightclub.
1040
01:02:01,756 --> 01:02:01,876
Yeah.
1041
01:02:02,836 --> 01:02:08,160
And when you and I came of age
in a lot of gyms, it was mostly,
1042
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,003
you know, Star Trek Next
Generation with wood paneling
1043
01:02:12,043 --> 01:02:16,726
and lighting and lots of, you
know. Formica. For Mike, looking
1044
01:02:17,426 --> 01:02:19,667
like a spa in Santa Fe, you
know?
1045
01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:23,910
I still like that. Like, I have
a home in Palm Springs. I love
1046
01:02:23,911 --> 01:02:24,710
the 80s. So, yeah, I treasure
it.
1047
01:02:27,172 --> 01:02:30,454
Well, it's a pleasure talking to
you, Matthew. Please stay in
1048
01:02:30,494 --> 01:02:32,975
touch. It was really exciting to
have you on the show for us.
1049
01:02:33,655 --> 01:02:34,656
It was a pleasure for me, too.
1050
01:02:35,196 --> 01:02:35,757
Thank you, Matthew.
1051
01:02:36,517 --> 01:02:37,077
You take care.
1052
01:02:37,578 --> 01:02:37,918
Bye-bye.
1053
01:02:38,678 --> 01:02:43,581
Matthew Davies lives in Toronto
for the time being. You can
1054
01:02:43,601 --> 01:02:48,164
watch Starfleet Academy on
Paramount Plus. Plus.
1055
01:02:48,525 --> 01:02:48,785
Plus.
1056
01:02:50,626 --> 01:02:53,708
And if you like the show, watch
it. Because it ain't going to
1057
01:02:53,768 --> 01:02:57,071
get renewed otherwise. But they
did do season two, so we will
1058
01:02:57,111 --> 01:02:59,352
get a season two, and we'll see
what happens after that. You
1059
01:02:59,353 --> 01:03:01,434
know, they spent a lot of money
building the set. I hope they
1060
01:03:01,474 --> 01:03:02,975
get to use it for a few more
years.
1061
01:03:03,215 --> 01:03:05,577
Yes, be a fierce Klingon
warrior.
1062
01:03:07,038 --> 01:03:10,820
And see your gay cousins from
Kronos.
1063
01:03:12,661 --> 01:03:14,482
So Klingons have two penises.
1064
01:03:15,042 --> 01:03:16,583
I think that they were alluded
to that.
1065
01:03:16,763 --> 01:03:19,484
Oh, my goodness. No wonder it's
a three-way.
1066
01:03:19,764 --> 01:03:21,405
But I mean, who knows?
1067
01:03:22,765 --> 01:03:25,346
Maybe some have two penises.
Maybe some have one. Maybe one
1068
01:03:25,347 --> 01:03:27,947
has a penis. One has a vagina. I
don't know. We don't know
1069
01:03:28,047 --> 01:03:28,448
anything.
1070
01:03:28,688 --> 01:03:31,189
Well, you know, I think in terms
of bodybuilding in the future,
1071
01:03:31,549 --> 01:03:36,511
like, you got to go on looking
at all that AI bodybuilder porn
1072
01:03:36,531 --> 01:03:40,252
and fantasy videos. Oh, it's so
wild. They're kind of crossing
1073
01:03:40,272 --> 01:03:44,614
the line of... What is it? I
call it, what is it? The
1074
01:03:44,754 --> 01:03:49,356
Cronenberg, this body horror
kind of, but eroticized.
1075
01:03:49,816 --> 01:03:52,377
And so, you know, because the
idea is like making the waist as
1076
01:03:52,477 --> 01:03:55,899
small as possible and the biceps
and the chest and the quads as
1077
01:03:55,959 --> 01:03:58,920
big as possible. And then when
you take that in using
1078
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,322
artificial intelligence to
create realistic looks of these
1079
01:04:04,682 --> 01:04:09,064
hulking monsters that are
visually appealing, it gets kind
1080
01:04:09,065 --> 01:04:10,645
of ridiculous, right? And so.
1081
01:04:11,265 --> 01:04:13,487
If you're wanting to know what
bodybuilding would look like,
1082
01:04:13,488 --> 01:04:17,410
you know, even 200 years into
the future, much less a thousand
1083
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:20,372
years in the future, you can
sort of look at those and see
1084
01:04:20,712 --> 01:04:23,474
where that would go, you know.
And actually, like, started
1085
01:04:23,494 --> 01:04:28,698
researching the idea of, like,
is it possible to expose
1086
01:04:28,718 --> 01:04:31,540
yourself to some kind of gamma
radiation and transform
1087
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,401
instantly like the Hulk?
1088
01:04:34,222 --> 01:04:38,913
Because a lot of those videos
are also having the idea of. You
1089
01:04:38,933 --> 01:04:43,078
know, you're a scrawny 98 pound
weakling and then you take a
1090
01:04:43,098 --> 01:04:47,323
pill or get injected by some
Vita rays. And then five minutes
1091
01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:49,825
later, you're this, you know,
you're Captain America.
1092
01:04:49,966 --> 01:04:50,586
Oh, Rocky.
1093
01:04:51,167 --> 01:04:55,932
Oh, Rocky. The problem with that
is that biological growth and
1094
01:04:55,972 --> 01:05:01,130
change. Has to happen at a
certain pace. It can't be made
1095
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:07,872
fast because when it grows fast,
it creates a lot of pain, and it
1096
01:05:07,892 --> 01:05:13,274
also is not quality growth. And
so in terms of bodybuilding,
1097
01:05:13,294 --> 01:05:16,395
there's a certain, you don't
want to go too fast because it
1098
01:05:16,415 --> 01:05:19,415
does create medical and side
effects that you don't want to
1099
01:05:19,435 --> 01:05:19,735
have.
1100
01:05:20,476 --> 01:05:23,757
And so the idea of mitigating
those side effects by having
1101
01:05:23,797 --> 01:05:26,942
instantaneous growth. Seems a
little bit far-fetched. And so
1102
01:05:27,503 --> 01:05:30,005
in terms of a thousand years in
the future and having, you know,
1103
01:05:30,746 --> 01:05:35,269
the Bane, you know,
transformation from Batman where
1104
01:05:35,309 --> 01:05:39,913
Poison Ivy puts, you know, plant
juices, hormones into Bane's
1105
01:05:39,973 --> 01:05:42,995
body and he turns into a giant
muscle monster is probably not
1106
01:05:43,055 --> 01:05:43,816
likely to happen.
1107
01:05:44,437 --> 01:05:47,939
So, you know, that's that's the
two limiting there. Just like,
1108
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,943
you know, in space travel there,
the speed of light is a is a
1109
01:05:52,964 --> 01:05:57,575
constraint. So is. Physical,
biological growth. There's only
1110
01:05:57,896 --> 01:05:58,976
so much you can do.
1111
01:05:59,517 --> 01:06:00,418
You can only get so big.
1112
01:06:00,478 --> 01:06:02,960
You can only get so big. And
then at that point in time, it
1113
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,402
's, you know, then you're no
longer human.
1114
01:06:05,462 --> 01:06:08,465
And so, you know, you could be,
and that's another thing to
1115
01:06:08,466 --> 01:06:11,047
consider is like, you know,
maybe bodybuilding in the future
1116
01:06:11,327 --> 01:06:15,170
is going to be done by other
species that have evolved from
1117
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:18,974
our bodies and looking like
something very terrifying and
1118
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:23,489
scary that by our standards, you
know, and I'm wondering like, If
1119
01:06:23,549 --> 01:06:28,733
somebody in the 1800s or 1700s
saw Flex Wheeler, would they
1120
01:06:28,753 --> 01:06:32,256
have been terrified or would
they have been fascinated and
1121
01:06:32,257 --> 01:06:33,457
pleased by that physique?
1122
01:06:33,977 --> 01:06:37,260
And certainly today, there's
people all around the world and
1123
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:40,882
not all cultures react the same
way to bodies and physiques. And
1124
01:06:41,323 --> 01:06:46,446
if you think about like
burlesque or if you think about
1125
01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:49,949
ribbon-esque bodies, then not.
1126
01:06:50,425 --> 01:06:53,826
Everybody agrees on what an
aesthetically pleasing body is
1127
01:06:53,926 --> 01:06:57,368
in the first place. So it's tied
to the culture. It's tied to the
1128
01:06:57,388 --> 01:07:00,689
location and the time. So in the
future, there's going to just be
1129
01:07:00,729 --> 01:07:04,730
different standards and
different athletic events vying
1130
01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:05,751
for our attention.
1131
01:07:06,651 --> 01:07:09,172
Well, that's for future people
to decide what they want.
1132
01:07:09,312 --> 01:07:13,433
Yes, the future is no fate but
what we make. To quote another
1133
01:07:13,494 --> 01:07:16,875
sci-fi franchise. Hey guys,
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1134
01:07:16,975 --> 01:07:21,498
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1135
01:07:21,598 --> 01:07:24,700
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1136
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,941
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1137
01:07:28,102 --> 01:07:29,983
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1138
01:07:30,403 --> 01:07:34,405
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01:07:34,565 --> 01:07:39,568
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01:07:39,868 --> 01:07:41,569
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1142
01:07:47,347 --> 01:07:50,568
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01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:53,949
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01:07:58,870 --> 01:08:03,231
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