10:02 Reichenbach

Liz
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Don't hire a hitman.

Diana
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And Demon Dean tries to break the douche meter.

Diana
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Let's do this.

Diana
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Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

Diana
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I'm Diana.

Liz
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And I'm Liz.

Diana
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And We're Talk Season 10, Episode 2, Reichenbach.

Liz
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Good.

Liz
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Yeah, sure.

Liz
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That's how you say it.

Diana
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It is.

Diana
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Okay, cool.

Diana
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I was hoping.

Diana
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I hoped so.

Diana
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Yeah.

Diana
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So it's been.

Diana
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Been a little bit of a longer break, but we're back at it.

Diana
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Holidays are weird technically.

Liz
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Like, in terms of, like, podcast land.

Liz
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Like, there was just like a.

Liz
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A week off because we dropped one.

Liz
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And then instead of, like, take, you know, it's the holidays.

Liz
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People, like, things happen, and sometimes people get viruse.

Liz
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Make them vomit a lot and not be able to record.

Diana
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So, yes, all the things.

Diana
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So either way, we're back at it.

Diana
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It is 2025.

Diana
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Crazy weird.

Diana
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Sure.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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We're in the future.

Diana
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The future is now.

Liz
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We're in the present.

Liz
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Past.

Diana
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Present, past.

Liz
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Whoa.

Diana
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Yeah.

Diana
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So what.

Diana
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What do you want to share?

Diana
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Anything you've been up to?

Liz
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I don't know.

Liz
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I'm like, I don't remember how to podcast.

Diana
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What are we doing?

Diana
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What's been going on with you?

Liz
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Also, not to, like, make a very disgusting coffee in the microphone.

Diana
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So I was trying not to sneeze.

Diana
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So, I mean, I feel you.

Liz
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Yeah, I know.

Liz
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We're sexy.

Liz
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Sexy over here.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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So I went to.

Liz
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Oh, now.

Liz
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Now it feels weird.

Liz
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Yes.

Liz
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I went to New Orleans, and I went there before.

Liz
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Before New Year's and went on some.

Liz
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Some interesting things.

Liz
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And, like, I don't think we talked about this in the podcast.

Liz
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Right.

Liz
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This is, like, time is not.

Liz
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It's just been weird.

Diana
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Yeah.

Liz
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We've not talked about this, Right?

Diana
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Correct.

Liz
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Okay.

Liz
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So I went on a tour with Bloody Mary's tour, and she did, like, her house was on Ghost Adventures, like, two, too.

Liz
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She's been on there, like, three or four times.

Liz
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And so I picked her tour because it said, you know, there would be a van ride, which I'm like, not walking.

Liz
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Check.

Liz
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And then also, you know, a real investigation with paranormal equipment.

Liz
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I'm like, cool.

Liz
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That means actual ghost hunt.

Liz
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Check.

Liz
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These are things that I like.

Liz
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All right, so, like, this is the one that I pick.

Liz
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So I go to Bloody Mary's tour.

Liz
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It meets kind of on the edge of the corner border.

Liz
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And, you know, it means that her shop, which is also a museum, and she had said, you know, something had happened there and.

Liz
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But didn't say, like, what it was and just, you know, said if.

Liz
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Basically told people, like, if you knew if, you know, kind of like the surprise ending of a tour.

Liz
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Don't.

Liz
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Don't tell people.

Liz
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So first we go on the van tour, which goes through all the cemeteries, but you can't really go in cemeteries anymore because, well, people and governments.

Liz
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But a lot of the restrictions started happening to the cemeteries after Katrina, and then covet happened, and then so, like, now, like, St.

Liz
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Louis number one, there's, like, one tour group who's allowed to go in there, like, one point a day.

Liz
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But anyways, so.

Liz
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But we got to drive around, and so we're driving around New Orleans, and they got to see all the Christmas lights that were up.

Liz
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And, you know, this is pretty much, like, I just got to ride around New Orleans and see things.

Liz
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It was great.

Liz
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And then we went to her house to do some investigating there.

Liz
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Not with equipment, just with feeling things.

Liz
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And so apparently, like, on the show when they did it, the.

Liz
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The.

Liz
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The members.

Liz
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I forget which.

Liz
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Which members it was, but ran out of her house and said that they wouldn't go back in until she was there.

Liz
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But in, like, the front of the.

Liz
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The front room of the house, there's this giant, like, tree that's going through there and this really cool altar that's got, like, all these different.

Liz
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Like, all these different offerings and things on there.

Liz
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It was a really cool room.

Liz
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Then we go into her bedroom, and she just turns off the lights and gets into bed.

Liz
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And so this is.

Liz
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The tour group is like, about, like, fifth, maybe 10 people.

Liz
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There's a family.

Liz
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It was a mom and dad and a teenage son, and I think there was a teenage daughter and then, like, two goth sisters who were dressed to the nines.

Liz
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They were so amazing.

Liz
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I love them.

Liz
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And, like, one other solo lady, so not a huge group of people, but.

Liz
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But she.

Liz
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She just gets into bed and, like, shuts off the lights and then just starts telling us the stories of all the ghosts and the things that she's seen in there.

Liz
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And I'm just.

Liz
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This is the best job ever.

Liz
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Like, yeah, y'all just come to my house.

Liz
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I'm just gonna lie down and take a nap and tell you there and tell you.

Liz
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I'll tell you stories about the creepy that, like, crawled through my mirrors.

Diana
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Oh, that.

Liz
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Yeah, she told, like, about this, like, really weird, like, hate thing that, like, came through there.

Liz
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It was.

Liz
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That one was kind of terrifying, but she had thermal thermal night vision camera set up throughout her house and the shop so you could, like, Go in there and, like, watch things like through the thermal cameras, which was.

Liz
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It was just.

Liz
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Always just fun.

Liz
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And I.

Liz
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I could sit there and, like, watch that forever.

Liz
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So with that, and then we go back to the museum that's in the quarter and we go upstairs to do the investigation.

Liz
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She splits us into two groups.

Liz
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And I got sent off with the family.

Liz
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So I did not get to make friends with the goth girls, which was kind of.

Liz
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And instead I got Dina to hang out with this.

Liz
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This family.

Liz
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And yeah, there was a girl because she was talking about how the dolls were freaking her out and Bloody Mary gave her the reason, you know, about.

Liz
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You know.

Liz
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You know, I gave her the spooky reason.

Liz
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And then we ended up going into this room to do an investigation that was full of creepy dolls.

Diana
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Oh, no.

Liz
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And then I gave her the scientific explanation about why the dolls freaked her out, because I couldn't was like, no, you know, like, I.

Liz
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I had to hermione my way into there.

Diana
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But yeah, yeah.

Liz
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So we go through there and like, we do the investigation, like one part of the house.

Liz
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We go into the kitchen.

Liz
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In the kitchen, there's a refrigerator and there's a stove, and then there's a bathroom.

Liz
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And she was like.

Liz
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I kind of think of them, the two separate spaces.

Liz
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And, you know, I kept asking for things to appear in the mirror.

Liz
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And the, The.

Liz
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The.

Liz
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You would have really appreciated this, the young boy who was with our group, because I was like, yeah, you know, and he was like, no, thank you.

Liz
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I would not like anything to appear in the mirror.

Liz
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And.

Diana
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Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right.

Diana
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That's probably what I would have been saying too.

Diana
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I'd be like, nope.

Liz
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Yeah, so we go through, you know, we get done with that.

Liz
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We all go back and we all accumulate and sit in the.

Liz
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In the living room, turns out.

Liz
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And she tells us the story.

Liz
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This is the house where, like, one of the most famous, infamous, like, true crime New Orleans shits happened.

Liz
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Like, right after Katrina, there was this young guy named Zach who murdered his girlfriend Addie and dismembered her and cooked her in the stove and, like, wrote all over the walls, like, all this crazy.

Liz
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And then he murdered.

Liz
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He committed.

Liz
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He took his own life.

Liz
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Sorry, trigger warning there, but too late.

Liz
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But he took his own life, I think on Caesars.

Liz
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And there was a no.

Liz
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And then they went to the house, and when they went in the house, like, they found all the stuff, like, and so she was in the stove and she was in the fridge.

Liz
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And it's the stove in the fridge that is in that house still.

Diana
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Is that a biohazard?

Liz
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Yes.

Liz
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That's.

Diana
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That's distressing.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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And so.

Liz
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So all the crazy is still on the walls.

Liz
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It's just been painted over.

Liz
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And it was just, you know, it was just like.

Liz
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And this one of the craziest, like, most.

Liz
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Like, I was like, everybody knows the story.

Liz
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I know not everybody, but I know the story.

Liz
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And when she started telling it, I was like, holy.

Liz
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Like, that was here.

Liz
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And.

Liz
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But I am kind of glad she did it at the end.

Liz
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It was like the bias of the investigation, you know, would have been so much more different had I known that story.

Diana
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Right, right.

Diana
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We've been looking for it.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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And so, like, for conducting, you know, a scientific paranormal investigation, like, it's.

Liz
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It was kind of cool.

Diana
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There's some air quotes there, guys.

Diana
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Air quotes there.

Diana
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But we won't talk about that.

Liz
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Hey.

Liz
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I mean, technically, going by scientific method, right?

Liz
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You're observing, you know, and just trying to think, keep.

Liz
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Do things as objective as possible.

Diana
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Yeah.

Liz
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Because there were, you know, words and things that were coming over the Oculus and that, you know, we interpret, you know, based on what you know of the story.

Liz
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Right, sure.

Liz
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Because it will.

Liz
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Like, dismemberment did come across there once.

Diana
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Yikes.

Liz
00:10:02
Yeah.

Liz
00:10:03
Yeah.

Liz
00:10:04
There was, like, a little creepy closet that I did not crawl into because it was dirty.

Liz
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I was just like, no, that's too dirty.

Diana
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Hilarious.

Liz
00:10:17
Yeah.

Liz
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So that was my.

Liz
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That was my.

Liz
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My holiday festivities.

Diana
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Nice.

Diana
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Mine were a little different, but not.

Diana
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Not as exciting, so that's cool.

Diana
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Yeah.

Diana
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I did very, very normal stuff in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex with, like, I say normal.

Diana
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I don't know if that's normal, but doing stuff.

Diana
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I did stuff with the family.

Diana
00:10:43
We did all the Christmas things, and then we did New Year's.

Diana
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I did go see the Broadway Peter Pan, which was cute.

Diana
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And then.

Diana
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Yeah.

Diana
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Trying to think.

Diana
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I feel like I did other things, but I don't know.

Diana
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So there we go.

Diana
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I didn't see that many.

Diana
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I didn't see that much music.

Diana
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How about that?

Diana
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That's the weird thing.

Diana
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That's the weird part for you.

Liz
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Yeah.

Liz
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These things are kind of in a little low right now.

Diana
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Oh, it'll change again soon.

Diana
00:11:09
Don't worry.

Liz
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Exciting for you.

Diana
00:11:12
No, but.

Diana
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But yeah.

Diana
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So.

Diana
00:11:14
And then we're all getting ready to buckle down here in Texas to freeze our booties off this week.

Diana
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So that'll be fun.

Liz
00:11:22
It's a winter event.

Diana
00:11:24
Is a winter event.

Diana
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I don't like the cold, but.

Diana
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No, it's, you know, cold.

Liz
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Is a pain in the ass.

Liz
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Cold makes me have to do things.

Liz
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Cold is stressful.

Diana
00:11:38
I'm not.

Diana
00:11:38
I'm.

Diana
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I don't like cold if I have to do anything, so.

Liz
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And I have to do things, like there is just stuff that I have to do multiple times a day.

Liz
00:11:49
It's fucking weather.

Diana
00:11:51
I hear you.

Liz
00:11:52
Isn't that right, kitty?

Liz
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My cute little cat is sitting here looking at me going, it's cold.

Liz
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Come sit on the couch with me.

Diana
00:12:00
Yeah.

Diana
00:12:02
Yeah.

Diana
00:12:03
So let's.

Diana
00:12:03
Let's talk about this episode.

Liz
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So Reichenbach.

Liz
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The episode title, according to Supernatural Wiki, may be a reference to Reichenbach Falls, which is the series of waterfalls in Switzerland where Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty meet their end in the final problem, which was the first time that Sherlock Holmes was killed.

Liz
00:12:26
Like, he was supposed to be killed forever.

Liz
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And then they're like, oh, wait, you can still make money off of this.

Liz
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And he was like, okay, I'll bring him back.

Liz
00:12:34
But I mean, I'm assuming that's what Doyle did.

Liz
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I.

Liz
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But so, yeah, I went and read that story and it was not that interesting because I was really trying really hard to figure out what Laura to do for this episode.

Liz
00:12:48
So I went down that.

Liz
00:12:50
That rabbit hole of where Bok.

Liz
00:12:52
And also just trying to figure out why the hell this is named Drakenbach.

Liz
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And I still don't know.

Diana
00:12:59
I bet that's it.

Diana
00:13:00
That makes.

Diana
00:13:00
I mean, some or some kind of a Sherlock Holmes reference has make sense.

Liz
00:13:03
But I mean, what like who.

Liz
00:13:06
Who's a homes who's like.

Liz
00:13:08
It's not like somebody's like really their nemesis because, like, Cole is like Dean's nemesis, but is he?

Liz
00:13:16
Yeah, so we'll get into that.

Liz
00:13:19
So this was also first aired October 14, 2014.

Liz
00:13:24
It was directed by Thomas J.

Liz
00:13:26
Wright.

Liz
00:13:26
And we last saw him this season direct.

Liz
00:13:28
It was last season.

Liz
00:13:29
We saw him because it's this is Season Episode 2 of this of this season.

Liz
00:13:34
So last season we saw him do episode 23, do you believe in miracles?

Liz
00:13:39
And episode 18's meta fiction, and it was written by Andrew Dab, who last season we last saw do episode 22, Stairway to Heaven, and also 20s bloodlines.

Liz
00:13:54
So, yeah, that happened.

Diana
00:13:56
All right.

Liz
00:13:57
Yep.

Diana
00:13:58
We open on June 21, 2003, and we have a family photo and obviously some kind of family violence happening.

Diana
00:14:09
We've got a mom, a man, a woman, and a mom, dad, and a kid, a little boy.

Diana
00:14:14
And this little kid sees a bunch of blood and the carpet and finds his bloody dead dad on the floor.

Diana
00:14:22
And he's Crying on his bloody dead dad.

Diana
00:14:25
And then Dean enters with a bloody knife.

Liz
00:14:30
Yeah.

Liz
00:14:31
And then we figure out this is the flashback.

Liz
00:14:33
And Cole's flashback to Dean killing his dad.

Diana
00:14:37
Yeah.

Diana
00:14:38
He's telling Sam the story.

Diana
00:14:40
And Sam's like, I'm sorry, but by the way, Dean's not really Dean right now.

Diana
00:14:46
And he.

Diana
00:14:47
Cole wants us to know that every night since he was 13 years old, he closes his eyes and he sees Dean and that blood and his daddy.

Liz
00:14:59
Cole, you need therapy, like real bad.

Liz
00:15:02
You shouldn't.

Liz
00:15:03
Like, I'm sorry you had trauma, but you need to process that trauma.

Liz
00:15:09
What you're doing right now is not healthy.

Diana
00:15:11
Correct.

Diana
00:15:12
But he's like, but Sam, you've got no reason to protect Dean.

Diana
00:15:15
You got to help me.

Diana
00:15:16
And Sam's like, nah.

Diana
00:15:17
Dean had.

Diana
00:15:18
Must have had a reason.

Diana
00:15:19
There are real monsters out there.

Diana
00:15:20
So sorry.

Diana
00:15:21
And Cole's like, I know monsters.

Liz
00:15:23
It's not a metaphor, Cole.

Diana
00:15:26
So apparently Cole was so traumatized by his dad's murder at Dean's hands that he went special forces and did a lot of really dangerous chores in the military.

Liz
00:15:37
It says that he, you know, he says he did two tours in Iraq.

Liz
00:15:41
Special Ops Star 4 and the Congo.

Liz
00:15:43
And it was like, you should be in daily therapy.

Liz
00:15:46
Like, you should literally be sitting like doing nothing else but going to like group.

Diana
00:15:52
Yeah.

Diana
00:15:53
Like, I don't know.

Liz
00:15:55
So also, why did the military let you do all those things?

Liz
00:15:59
This seems like at some point they.

Liz
00:16:02
They should have probably said, hey you.

Liz
00:16:04
Yo.

Liz
00:16:04
Like you need to.

Liz
00:16:05
To back off a little bit, buddy.

Diana
00:16:07
But it's a lot.

Diana
00:16:09
It's a lot.

Liz
00:16:10
So.

Diana
00:16:11
And Sam's like, no, no, this.

Diana
00:16:13
This type of monster I'm talking about is vampires and werewolves.

Diana
00:16:16
Like monster monsters.

Diana
00:16:19
Yeah.

Diana
00:16:20
And Cole calls him a psycho liar.

Diana
00:16:24
And he's digging through Sam's go bag and is very unimpressed with a flask full of holy water and gets out some very, very beat up gloves and a hammer.

Liz
00:16:39
And he just looks really happy to start torturing and just is not.

Liz
00:16:43
Just not mentally well.

Liz
00:16:44
It's just not.

Diana
00:16:45
Yeah, it is.

Diana
00:16:46
It is not good.

Diana
00:16:48
So.

Diana
00:16:50
Holy.

Diana
00:16:51
Sorry, that's a personal problem.

Diana
00:16:54
So, yeah, so we get our intro there and we go to Killdeer, North Dakota, where at a strip club where Cherry Pie is playing.

Liz
00:17:03
See, I don't know.

Liz
00:17:04
This is a strip club.

Liz
00:17:05
I think maybe it's a good bikini club.

Diana
00:17:07
Yeah, Club like a go bar.

Liz
00:17:10
Which is.

Liz
00:17:11
This is.

Liz
00:17:12
Seems sadder in a way.

Liz
00:17:16
You know, but you know, you gotta earn your money.

Liz
00:17:18
Whatever girls gotta eat but yeah, and.

Diana
00:17:22
Dean gets his hand slapped for touching.

Liz
00:17:24
He's just Douche Dean.

Liz
00:17:25
It's like what I call him for most of this episode.

Liz
00:17:27
Just Douche Dean.

Diana
00:17:28
Super Douche Dean.

Diana
00:17:30
And he holds up a lot of cash and just throws money at her and tells her to pick it up.

Diana
00:17:36
Like, oh, you bra.

Diana
00:17:38
Anyways, yeah, yeah.

Liz
00:17:40
I'm surprised he didn't get a stiletto in his eye.

Diana
00:17:43
Well, security grabs him finally because she's like, nope.

Diana
00:17:48
And.

Diana
00:17:49
But Dean decides that he's going to headbutt the security guard.

Diana
00:17:53
And then, yeah, as that's happening, we get a really good cut back and forth where Colt.

Diana
00:18:01
We get to where Dean is beating up security and Cole is starting to torture Sam.

Diana
00:18:07
These are cuts back and forth.

Liz
00:18:09
Yeah.

Liz
00:18:10
And.

Liz
00:18:10
But the Dean thing is just so uncomfortable.

Liz
00:18:13
Like, why are you excessively beating this.

Liz
00:18:16
This poor man who's just trying to protect this woman who's doing her job?

Diana
00:18:21
Yes.

Diana
00:18:22
And so it's really like the poor Cole.

Diana
00:18:27
Of course Sam is getting tortured by Cole.

Diana
00:18:29
And Sam's tell Sam tells him to blow it out his ass.

Diana
00:18:33
And right when he lines up the hammer on Sam's kneecap.

Diana
00:18:41
And I'm like distressed.

Diana
00:18:44
Distressed.

Diana
00:18:46
And then his phone rings.

Diana
00:18:47
Thank God.

Diana
00:18:48
So he has to step out and take a call from his family.

Liz
00:18:54
And he leaves Sam Winchester alone with some keys and a knife.

Liz
00:18:57
Which is ridiculous.

Liz
00:18:59
Why would you do that?

Diana
00:19:00
So obviously Sam escapes.

Diana
00:19:04
So we figure out later, like this is so obvious.

Diana
00:19:08
Like there.

Diana
00:19:09
I'm like, that's too, too obvious.

Diana
00:19:11
And it was.

Diana
00:19:12
It was intentionally obvious, apparently.

Diana
00:19:14
So anyways, Dean's gonna walk out of the strip club.

Diana
00:19:18
And young.

Diana
00:19:19
So he gets walked into by some younger guys and they call him a grandpa.

Diana
00:19:24
And I was like, ouch.

Diana
00:19:25
But also you, Dean, you're kind of a douche.

Diana
00:19:29
You kind of deserve in this one.

Diana
00:19:31
But I'm kind of glad he doesn't kill them.

Liz
00:19:33
Yeah, I'm glad he does not kill the teenagers or hurt them.

Liz
00:19:36
That's great.

Diana
00:19:37
Yes.

Liz
00:19:38
And Crowley is waiting and he wants to talk to Dean about his anger.

Liz
00:19:42
Anger management issues.

Diana
00:19:44
Yeah.

Diana
00:19:46
And yeah.

Diana
00:19:48
So we cut then to Cass.

Diana
00:19:52
And he is on a dock where they have a community sink wash.

Diana
00:20:00
I guess it's like for washing the fishes.

Diana
00:20:02
I don't know.

Diana
00:20:02
Washing his hands and trying to heal himself.

Diana
00:20:05
But not doing a very good job at healing himself because he's out of grace.

Diana
00:20:09
So Hannah has to do it.

Diana
00:20:10
And he's like, no, Hannah, you should just go, you know, it's fine.

Diana
00:20:15
And she's like, no, no, I'm gonna stay and help.

Diana
00:20:20
That's very human of you.

Diana
00:20:24
Sam calls.

Diana
00:20:26
And Sam finally is going to tell Cass a get to North Dakota because Crowley's there, Dean's there, and.

Diana
00:20:35
Oh yeah, Dean is a demon.

Diana
00:20:39
Huh.

Diana
00:20:41
So there we go.

Diana
00:20:42
So they're going to meet there and Sam is going to go steal this.

Liz
00:20:46
Really cool pickup truck that fortunately works.

Diana
00:20:50
Fortunately.

Diana
00:20:51
Yeah.

Diana
00:20:52
So Cass and Hannah are driving and to go meet Sam.

Diana
00:20:58
And she has decided she's going to inform Cass that she thinks the Winchesters are a bad influence on him.

Diana
00:21:04
And.

Diana
00:21:05
Which I think is kind of funny.

Diana
00:21:07
And he.

Diana
00:21:07
But Cassiel's like, no, they are the best men I've ever known.

Diana
00:21:10
And they're my friends, so.

Diana
00:21:14
And then they like to look at the stars.

Diana
00:21:16
And then Cass is going to fall asleep driving because he's sleepy without his grace.

Liz
00:21:20
Yeah.

Liz
00:21:21
So he falls asleep with a wheel and he wrecks.

Diana
00:21:24
Yes.

Diana
00:21:26
Crowley and Dean are at a bar.

Diana
00:21:29
And Dean is ordering shots and something fancy with the tiniest umbrella for Crowley.

Liz
00:21:35
Which I think sounds delightful.

Diana
00:21:37
Yeah.

Diana
00:21:37
I want something fancy with umbrellas.

Diana
00:21:39
And Crowley's like asking Dean how he's feeling because obviously the mark has changed him.

Diana
00:21:47
And Dean's like, oh, I noticed.

Diana
00:21:49
And we get black eye.

Diana
00:21:50
Gemini.

Liz
00:21:51
But yeah.

Liz
00:21:52
Which I just.

Liz
00:21:52
It's not attractive.

Liz
00:21:54
I don't think it's a good look for Mr.

Liz
00:21:55
Ackles.

Diana
00:21:56
No.

Liz
00:21:57
No.

Diana
00:21:58
I think what bothers me is like, it makes like a little like a shutter sound effect.

Diana
00:22:02
You know what I mean?

Diana
00:22:02
Like when he does that blink and get a little.

Diana
00:22:04
They always have like a little to that blink.

Diana
00:22:08
Like.

Diana
00:22:08
Yeah, it's like a camera.

Diana
00:22:09
Like a little shutter.

Diana
00:22:10
It's weird and I kind of.

Diana
00:22:12
I love that they did it, but I hate it.

Diana
00:22:15
Does that make sense?

Liz
00:22:16
Yeah.

Diana
00:22:17
So.

Diana
00:22:18
All right.

Diana
00:22:19
Well, the bartender delivers on these drinks, by the way.

Diana
00:22:23
Crowley's drink has a lot of accoutrements, including a little pitchfork, which is adorbs.

Liz
00:22:29
I want the little pitchfork so bad.

Diana
00:22:31
Yes.

Diana
00:22:32
And Crowley's like, yeah, Dean, I know you want to have fun, fun, fun.

Diana
00:22:36
But you need to kill.

Diana
00:22:37
And because death is your drug, you're an addict or something.

Diana
00:22:45
So.

Diana
00:22:50
Yeah.

Diana
00:22:51
And.

Diana
00:22:52
Oh, that's weird.

Liz
00:22:57
So Crowley has someone who has it coming, right?

Liz
00:23:01
And so he has picked this lady, Mindy.

Liz
00:23:05
And Mindy Morris is cheating on her husband and she wanted a divorce.

Liz
00:23:10
And also half of her husband's.

Liz
00:23:13
So this guy Lester has basically made a demon trade and decided he wanted trade his soul to kill Mindy and.

Liz
00:23:22
Yo.

Liz
00:23:23
What the.

Liz
00:23:23
Like, cheating on someone does not make it okay for you to be killed.

Liz
00:23:28
That is not like a thing that it just.

Liz
00:23:31
But Dean somehow goes along with this, right?

Diana
00:23:34
Well, and the part of the whole reason is, is Crowley's like, you gotta fucking kill people because you're addicted to murder.

Diana
00:23:40
So I'm gonna find people for you to kill.

Liz
00:23:42
Right.

Liz
00:23:43
And so this basic client that he's offering is Lester.

Liz
00:23:48
And what Lester is doing is something that we're gonna call being a green widow.

Liz
00:23:56
And we're going to talk about another green widow who is pretty infamous for that.

Liz
00:24:02
And that is the infamous case of it is an infamous many times Mary Ellen Samuels.

Liz
00:24:08
And she is the green widow.

Liz
00:24:11
And I'll tell you why she's called that in a minute.

Liz
00:24:14
So this is lore, I guess.

Liz
00:24:17
So on December 9, 1988, Robert Samuels was found dead inside his home.

Liz
00:24:24
His ex wife Mary Ellen and stepdaughter Nicole were the ones who discovered the body and made the call.

Liz
00:24:31
They said they were over there to go get the dog.

Liz
00:24:34
So they have put a dog in the middle of the situation that just says what kind of people they are.

Liz
00:24:40
So Bob was a cameraman and he had worked in several well known 80s films like Heaven Can Wait.

Liz
00:24:47
Real genius.

Liz
00:24:48
The Color Purple, Short Circuit, the best movie of all time.

Liz
00:24:52
Some kind of wonderful.

Liz
00:24:54
Beverly Hills Cop too.

Liz
00:24:55
Just on and on.

Liz
00:24:56
So he was doing okay on that.

Liz
00:24:58
But also he and Mary Ellen co owned a subway shop.

Liz
00:25:02
And when I first like saw this, they're like, they owned a subway shop.

Liz
00:25:06
And I was like, oh, what kind of Sam?

Liz
00:25:07
Like what kind of sandwich shop did they own?

Liz
00:25:09
And then I was like, oh wait, no, it was an actual subway.

Diana
00:25:14
Huh.

Liz
00:25:16
So it was determined that Bob had been both hit in the head and shot through a pillow by a success 16 gauge shotgun.

Liz
00:25:23
And there was no evidence of a burglary.

Liz
00:25:26
And at first the police cleared Mary Ellen and Nicole saying everything they did seems fine.

Liz
00:25:32
But Mary Ellen got money from several insurance policies totaling around $240,000.

Liz
00:25:39
She also sold the subway for a profit, around 70,000.

Liz
00:25:43
She kept his car, received $6,000 in uncashed payroll checks at Roberts and refinance their family home after his death.

Liz
00:25:52
And so she got another like 160,000 out of that.

Liz
00:25:56
Right.

Liz
00:25:56
And so this kind of suspicious, but they don't have anything on her.

Liz
00:26:01
Let's go by and the investigation kind of goes cold until the cops get a tip.

Liz
00:26:07
And that tip says to go look at Nicole's ex boyfriend, a drug dealer named Jim Bernstein.

Liz
00:26:13
However, when they go looking for him they found him strangled to death.

Liz
00:26:17
And so that's in July 1989.

Liz
00:26:20
It's like, you know, probably about like a year after the first thing.

Liz
00:26:22
So Robert's dead.

Liz
00:26:24
Now.

Liz
00:26:25
The guy who they said killed him now also been dead.

Liz
00:26:29
So this is what they found out, that Jim had been dealing drugs with Dave Navarro, who told the police.

Liz
00:26:36
Now, apparently it is not that Dave Navarro, but I was gonna keep saying his name.

Liz
00:26:45
Apparently, though, Jim had confessed to Dave Navarro that he and Mike Silva had killed Robert and that Mary Ellen had paid him for it.

Liz
00:26:55
He on January 26, 1990.

Liz
00:26:59
So about like six months after Jim dies, they arrest Mary Ellen.

Liz
00:27:04
And this is what they and the prosecutors sorted out.

Liz
00:27:07
Okay?

Liz
00:27:08
On Halloween in 1986, Mary Ellen filed for divorce.

Liz
00:27:12
And it was cordial.

Liz
00:27:14
And they were both like, we're going to work at the subway.

Liz
00:27:16
We co own, and everything's going to be fine.

Liz
00:27:18
But two years later, Robert went to his divorce attorney and was like, hey, we need to like, fix this, because I want the subway to myself, and I don't want to pay all this alimony because I can't afford it.

Liz
00:27:34
Nicole begins telling her boyfriend, Jim Bernstein, the drug dealer, that her stepfather abused her and that he should be taken care of.

Liz
00:27:43
Prosecutors also said that when Samuels was found dead, that this wasn't the first time.

Liz
00:27:49
That first attempt that Mary Ellen had made on his life, she had tried to get him drunk and left him alone at a restaurant so it'd be easier for a hitman to kill him.

Liz
00:27:58
Another plot involved getting him drunk and driving him off a cliff.

Liz
00:28:05
Once, Mary Ellen even tried beating him with a broomstick, but that didn't work either.

Liz
00:28:10
She complained bitterly to her friend that she had hired hitman and tried to do him three or four times and spent almost $15,000 and nothing happened.

Diana
00:28:21
Geez.

Liz
00:28:23
So after Nicole has told Jim these things, Jim has asked his employer if he knows of anybody who can help take care of Samuels.

Liz
00:28:30
And he was provided with a number of this guy, Mike Silva.

Liz
00:28:33
And look, I can tell you guys right now, there are no actual hitmen in the world.

Liz
00:28:38
Like, the only people on the other side of the hitman call are the federal agents who are waiting to take you to jail.

Liz
00:28:44
Don't hire a hitman online.

Liz
00:28:46
That's not a hitman.

Liz
00:28:47
That is a policeman.

Diana
00:28:49
Just don't do it.

Liz
00:28:50
Like, every story, like, of the things I was trying to pick out here for this, like, there are a lot of.

Liz
00:28:56
I went to hire a hitman, but it was just.

Liz
00:28:59
Just the FBI.

Diana
00:29:04
Cole is not the one on the other end of that response.

Liz
00:29:07
He is not.

Liz
00:29:07
He is not.

Liz
00:29:08
And you really don't want to talk to Cole anyways.

Liz
00:29:10
All right, so apparently he also, like, Jim was talking to his friend, trying to get some weapons, but so he go ahead.

Liz
00:29:16
And him and this guy Mike apparently are the ones who do the deed.

Liz
00:29:21
I don't know what ends up happening with Mike Silva.

Liz
00:29:23
That one was kind of murky for me.

Liz
00:29:25
But so Mary Ellen, though, starts getting afraid that Jim is going to talk, right?

Liz
00:29:31
And so in the spring of 1989, she was introduced to her friend Anne Hambly's boyfriend, Paul Gall now has a fun name to say over and over.

Liz
00:29:40
Paul, go.

Liz
00:29:42
So Mary Ellen told Paul she wanted Robert originally killed for the insurance money and because he abused Cole.

Liz
00:29:49
And, you know, she started telling him all this stuff and started telling him about killing Jim because now she was afraid he was going to talk.

Liz
00:29:57
And apparently they discussed payment like, two to four times.

Liz
00:30:00
Then she told Paul that she was going to take a trip to Cancun and wanted Jim gone before she came back.

Liz
00:30:07
She said she would pay him $5,000 and also forgive a loan to that to Ann, Paul's girlfriend.

Liz
00:30:14
So Paul didn't want to do this by himself, so he solicited this guy, Darrell Ray Edwards, and he said he would do it for $5,000, which I'm just like, this math isn't adding up here.

Liz
00:30:25
Like, I think you're kind of going into, like, the hole on this, right?

Liz
00:30:28
Like, you're not really making a profit, right?

Diana
00:30:31
That's a problem.

Liz
00:30:32
I'm gonna raise the price on that.

Liz
00:30:33
And it just doesn't feel like being a hitman's, like, a good business model.

Liz
00:30:37
I don't know.

Liz
00:30:38
So Mary Ellen gets Jim to move in with Anne Hambly and Paul Gaul.

Liz
00:30:43
And he was like, he was afraid that the police were closing in on him.

Liz
00:30:47
So they get them to, like, get closer together, right?

Liz
00:30:50
And then in the sun in June, Paul and Edwards meet at a bar, and they start day drinking.

Liz
00:30:57
They decide that they're going to tell Jim that they're going to go rob some drug dealers in Fraser Park.

Liz
00:31:02
So that's what they tell him, and he eventually agrees to go with him.

Liz
00:31:06
So they all get in the car.

Liz
00:31:08
They are in Mary Ellen's car.

Liz
00:31:09
Mary Ellen's not in the car, but they are.

Liz
00:31:11
Paul, this guy Edwards, and then Jim, the original guy who murdered her husband.

Liz
00:31:18
The first time he's in the car, right?

Liz
00:31:21
And so they're driving around, and they end up like driving.

Liz
00:31:24
They thought they were in a dirt road, but it was a driveway.

Liz
00:31:26
And then all these dogs are like taking off at the car.

Liz
00:31:29
And so all these dogs are chasing them down the road and they freak out and so they have to turn around.

Liz
00:31:35
So they go into another road and like, like five or ten minutes later, Daryl Edwards yells now.

Liz
00:31:41
And Paul slams on the brakes and he puts a car in park.

Liz
00:31:45
And Daryl starts to choke Jim from behind.

Liz
00:31:47
Then Paul hits Jim on the head because Jim wouldn't stop screaming.

Liz
00:31:51
But Jim got the car door open and then ran out.

Liz
00:31:54
Then Paul and Daryl are now chasing him around the car until Daryl tackles him to the ground.

Liz
00:32:01
Finally, Paul holds his leg down while Daryl chokes him to death.

Liz
00:32:05
When Jim was asking him why, Daryl said it was because he talked too much.

Liz
00:32:10
And then after three to five minutes of strangulation, Jim finally died.

Liz
00:32:13
That is something else people remember.

Liz
00:32:15
Strangulation takes a long time.

Liz
00:32:16
It's not quick like in the movie theaters.

Liz
00:32:18
It's a really long, horrible thing.

Liz
00:32:20
So they put his body in the back seat, they throw his belt and his pager out of the car and eventually throw his body off an embankment.

Liz
00:32:29
They go back to the house, they tell Anne, who calls Mary Ellen, who is in Cancun, tell her the code they agreed to, which was I have spoken to your sister.

Liz
00:32:38
And that meant that Ellen, Mary Ellen could come back.

Liz
00:32:45
So at the when they serve the arrest warrant, they find this office stuff, including a Polaroid of Mary Ellen naked on a bed in Cancun covered in piles of money.

Diana
00:32:58
What?

Diana
00:32:59
I mean, that just sounds fun.

Liz
00:33:01
It's a pretty epic photograph.

Diana
00:33:03
Can we do this?

Diana
00:33:04
How do we make this happen?

Liz
00:33:07
Well, you don't want to do it this way.

Liz
00:33:09
So the prosecutors are making the case that Mary Ellen killed her husband to live a lavish lifestyle.

Liz
00:33:16
Evidence of the defendant's callousness and indifference included Defendants posing for a photograph recovered only in money.

Liz
00:33:24
Commencing relationship with Dean Groover, forging Robert Samuel's mother's signature and refinancing the home she inherited after Samuel's death and providing fraudulent information on the related loan documents.

Liz
00:33:36
Evidence of defendants extravagant purchases included a new Porsche automobile, costly custom clothing from a store called Trashy Lingerie Scuba Equipment.

Liz
00:33:46
Yes, Trashy Lingerie, the most amazing store in LA, which still exists.

Liz
00:33:50
Scuba equipment for Dean Groover, a 30 inch television and car phone and a fur coat.

Liz
00:33:56
Additional evidence of defendants lavish lifestyle included a trip to Mexico and the purchase of property in Cancun, Mexico.

Liz
00:34:04
Financial investment in Groover Productions paying for the cost of Others to travel to Las Vegas, San Francisco and Cancun.

Liz
00:34:11
Being free with her money, throwing a birthday party for herself at a country club, using limousines for transportation, and expending most, if not all of the money she received from Robert Samuel's death within one year.

Liz
00:34:25
They also said that the defendant attended bars and clubs.

Liz
00:34:28
Defendant received pornographic letters.

Liz
00:34:31
Defendant used drugs.

Liz
00:34:32
Defendant allowed her daughter to drop out of high school.

Liz
00:34:35
Defendant allowed her daughter to leave the family home at age 16.

Liz
00:34:39
Defendant took her minor daughter and her minor friends to bars.

Liz
00:34:42
Defend his daughter and her daughter's friends use drugs supplied by defendant while at defendant's house.

Diana
00:34:48
What?

Liz
00:34:49
Defendant influenced her daughter and her daughter's friends dress inappropriately.

Diana
00:34:54
Oh, God.

Liz
00:34:55
Defendant allowed her daughter to take a trip to Mexico with James Bernstein, the one who killed the first Huntsman.

Liz
00:35:02
Defendant's daughter allowed herself to be photographed in a suggestive position.

Liz
00:35:07
Defendant's daughter refused to return or pay for jewelry she had hawked that had been bought for her by James Bernstein with David Navarro's credit card and suggested that a false insurance claim be made.

Liz
00:35:21
Defendant's daughter was engaged to Jim Bernstein while engaged to another man.

Liz
00:35:25
So those are all the things a prosecutor says about her, including during the sentencing thing.

Liz
00:35:30
She, Mary Ellen receives the death penalty.

Liz
00:35:34
It was however, commuted to life in prison due to her council's failing to limit and exclude the bad character evidence admitted during the sentencing phase for, you know, the basically saying the jury sentencer to death for being a shitty mother, not for the crime of what she actually did.

Liz
00:35:52
Right.

Diana
00:35:52
Like, so they're like, I mean, yeah, you got to be actually sentenced for the crime, not just, yeah, she probably.

Liz
00:35:59
Shouldn'T have been doing a bunch of blow with her daughter.

Liz
00:36:01
However, should that influence your decision in her death penalty case?

Liz
00:36:07
So she is currently incarcerated at the Central California Women's facility at Chow.

Liz
00:36:13
Hila.

Liz
00:36:14
Paul G.

Liz
00:36:15
And Daryl Edwards both pleaded guilty to killing Bernstein and were sentenced to 15 years to life.

Liz
00:36:23
That was the green widow, Mary Ellen Samuels.

Diana
00:36:28
Wow, that's.

Diana
00:36:31
That's something.

Diana
00:36:32
I don't know if Lester is this organized.

Liz
00:36:36
I do not think so.

Liz
00:36:38
And you know, I have a lot of, you know, additional thoughts on you, but kind of like you Lester.

Liz
00:36:43
And in the end I think Lester.

Diana
00:36:45
No, fully you Lester.

Diana
00:36:47
I'm with you.

Diana
00:36:48
Yeah, like, oh, I.

Diana
00:36:51
Because it could.

Diana
00:36:51
Because at what we find out, yeah, we've got Dean's watching Mindy and then realizes, well.

Liz
00:37:04
Yeah.

Diana
00:37:08
Yes, they're, they're going, they're, they're getting the car fixed and some nice woman that Drives a tow truck.

Liz
00:37:17
Tow trunk driver ever.

Liz
00:37:19
Like, she's pulled their.

Liz
00:37:22
Their car that he is wrecked off the side of the road.

Liz
00:37:24
She has towed them to their house, just letting them in there with her.

Liz
00:37:29
With her underage minor child.

Diana
00:37:32
Yes.

Diana
00:37:33
And there.

Diana
00:37:33
And her three bean surprise.

Diana
00:37:34
Ew.

Diana
00:37:36
Yeah.

Liz
00:37:37
I looked at recipes for it.

Liz
00:37:39
It's all gross.

Diana
00:37:40
Like the.

Diana
00:37:41
I understand three bean, but what's the surprise?

Diana
00:37:46
So Dean is watching Mindy that he has been hired, I guess by.

Diana
00:37:52
Ordered by Crowley to kill for Lester.

Diana
00:37:55
And Lester decides to.

Diana
00:37:56
Like a dumb ass decides to.

Diana
00:37:58
He wants to pull up and watch this happen.

Diana
00:38:00
Like.

Diana
00:38:02
And so Dean rightfully goes and tells him, this is dumb.

Diana
00:38:05
You're not supposed to be here because then you don't have a alibi.

Diana
00:38:09
But anyways.

Diana
00:38:12
And Dean's kind of like, not.

Diana
00:38:15
Not.

Diana
00:38:15
He does not have any sympathy or like, goodwill towards Lester, which is interesting because Dean's supposed to be a demon.

Diana
00:38:22
But Dean is deeply unimpressed and pieces together and asks and guesses correctly that Lester cheated first.

Diana
00:38:31
So.

Liz
00:38:31
Yep.

Liz
00:38:32
And Mindy is just way out of Lester's league to begin with.

Liz
00:38:38
Like, what's.

Diana
00:38:40
How do you pull that?

Diana
00:38:41
Like, I just.

Diana
00:38:42
Okay, well, Lester tries to go on the men are different than women and aren't built for monogamy speech.

Diana
00:38:51
And then Dean punched him in the face.

Liz
00:38:54
Yes.

Liz
00:38:54
Was.

Liz
00:38:54
All of us were.

Liz
00:38:55
Thank you.

Liz
00:38:56
Because we all wanted to punch him in the face for that.

Diana
00:38:58
Yeah.

Diana
00:38:59
Yes.

Diana
00:38:59
And then Lester decides to call Dean a punk ass demon and tell him that he works for him.

Diana
00:39:08
Big freak.

Diana
00:39:12
So Dean's.

Diana
00:39:14
You want to watch?

Diana
00:39:15
Watch this.

Diana
00:39:15
And stabs him.

Diana
00:39:16
So Dean kills Lester instead of Mindy.

Liz
00:39:18
Well, nobody cries.

Diana
00:39:20
Nobody cries.

Diana
00:39:20
Nobody's sad.

Diana
00:39:21
But we all know I would have been like.

Liz
00:39:24
I would have been really upset.

Liz
00:39:25
Like, I'm not upset that he killed Leps Lester at all.

Liz
00:39:29
I would have been very upset if he had killed Mindy.

Diana
00:39:32
Yeah.

Diana
00:39:32
Not cool.

Diana
00:39:33
So Sam has made his way, though, to the strip club where Dean got in his fight and is talking to the injured security guard.

Diana
00:39:40
And they are both in shoulder slings.

Diana
00:39:42
Yeah.

Liz
00:39:44
They're like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Diana
00:39:48
And also, Sam is using a Let me Killmeister as his FBI name right now, which is fun.

Liz
00:39:53
He sure is.

Diana
00:39:54
It's cute.

Diana
00:39:55
Yeah.

Diana
00:39:56
And he's driving this sick 1969, I believe, Ford Ranger pickup truck.

Diana
00:40:03
And Cole is following him.

Diana
00:40:08
So back at the tow truck driver's house, because.

Diana
00:40:11
What the.

Diana
00:40:11
Why not?

Diana
00:40:13
We've got.

Diana
00:40:15
Cartoons are on.

Diana
00:40:16
And a little girl sitting next to Castiel wanted to ask about his Dreams.

Diana
00:40:22
Because she dreamed about snot and rockets and is eating dry cereal.

Diana
00:40:27
And Cass doesn't have dreams.

Diana
00:40:29
But our truck driver is eavesdropping and tells Hannah that she has a great guy in Cass.

Liz
00:40:38
How the do you know that?

Liz
00:40:40
Like, you literally picked him up off the side of the road and he slept on your couch all night, lady.

Liz
00:40:44
Like the do you want.

Diana
00:40:46
Well, because Hannah's sitting there looking at him fondly from the door frame.

Diana
00:40:50
Probably doesn't help anything, but.

Diana
00:40:51
Yeah, you know.

Diana
00:40:53
Yeah, I know.

Diana
00:40:53
Yeah.

Diana
00:40:54
It's a little presumptuous of our tow truck driver.

Diana
00:41:00
I do love our next scene where a demon has worked so hard on this presentation, and he is working very hard to look at the how to improve their demon conversion rates.

Diana
00:41:16
And he's got numbers and graphs, and he is telling Crowley how they're gonna do this.

Diana
00:41:22
And Crowley gives.

Diana
00:41:23
No, no, no, he does not.

Diana
00:41:26
No.

Diana
00:41:27
And the other demon there gets a phone call and is to let them know that Sam is close.

Diana
00:41:34
But Dean shows up and is like, by the way, he's dead.

Diana
00:41:38
And I feel amazing.

Diana
00:41:40
And Crowley is pissed because Dean has killed the Client, which also.

Diana
00:41:45
Killed the Client was the name of a Dallas hardcore band for a while.

Diana
00:41:48
And I was like, wait a minute.

Diana
00:41:50
And Dean's like, yeah, dead douche.

Diana
00:41:52
And Crowley is like, that's not the fucking deal I made.

Diana
00:41:57
But Dean is completely unbothered.

Diana
00:42:00
Does not care that this does not math for Crowley.

Diana
00:42:04
And he's just going to walk away.

Diana
00:42:06
And so Dean and.

Diana
00:42:08
And Crowley tries to stop him and gets promptly decked by Dean.

Liz
00:42:13
Yeah.

Liz
00:42:13
Yeah, he does.

Diana
00:42:14
In front of his other underlings.

Diana
00:42:16
That's not cool.

Liz
00:42:17
Yeah.

Liz
00:42:18
And you see it right in front of his minions.

Liz
00:42:20
It's not good.

Liz
00:42:21
And so basically, though, they just.

Liz
00:42:23
They break up.

Diana
00:42:26
Yeah.

Diana
00:42:27
Yep.

Diana
00:42:28
So he.

Diana
00:42:30
Crowley calls him out.

Diana
00:42:32
He's like, look, you don't know what you want.

Diana
00:42:33
You don't know what the you are.

Diana
00:42:34
If you're a demon, then Mindy should be dead.

Diana
00:42:38
And otherwise, what are you?

Diana
00:42:39
Human?

Diana
00:42:40
You're a block.

Diana
00:42:41
You know, you got your black eyes and you're working with me, so pick a bloody side.

Diana
00:42:47
And Dean's like, or what?

Diana
00:42:50
Because that's what he would do.

Diana
00:42:54
And he's like, I'm not your bestie, and I'm not taking orders.

Diana
00:42:57
And so that's when it is over.

Diana
00:42:59
Crowley says, it's not me, it's you.

Diana
00:43:03
Boom.

Diana
00:43:05
So we have.

Diana
00:43:09
Yeah.

Diana
00:43:09
And Hannah and Castiel are getting back on the road, and Sam has.

Diana
00:43:15
Is at a motel where Crowley has found him.

Diana
00:43:22
Because Crowley is like, nope, I'm gonna.

Diana
00:43:25
I want to give Dean to you.

Diana
00:43:27
He's bad for my business.

Diana
00:43:29
He is your problem.

Liz
00:43:30
Yeah.

Liz
00:43:31
And Sam just looks terrible, though.

Diana
00:43:33
Sam does not look good.

Diana
00:43:35
I mean, he did get, like, tortured for a while.

Liz
00:43:37
He did.

Liz
00:43:37
I mean, he looks like he got the beat out of him.

Diana
00:43:39
And he's sad.

Liz
00:43:41
Yeah.

Diana
00:43:41
And stressed.

Diana
00:43:44
So Castiel wakes up in his car alone at the playground where they have the portal in the sandbox.

Diana
00:43:52
And so he is very concerned because Hannah is gone.

Diana
00:43:56
She has gone upstairs, and she is at the Heaven prison, going to Metatron, who's now also in a straight jacket.

Diana
00:44:08
And she wants to know if there's any of Castiel's grace left anywhere.

Diana
00:44:13
And he's like, yeah, yeah, you can pay for it.

Diana
00:44:16
You just have to let me out.

Diana
00:44:18
And he's like, you know, I've decided, you know, screw Earth.

Diana
00:44:22
I'm gonna go off to another planet or galaxy.

Diana
00:44:23
It's fine.

Diana
00:44:24
You don't have to worry about me.

Diana
00:44:24
Just let me go.

Diana
00:44:26
And.

Diana
00:44:26
And then Cast will be back at full power.

Diana
00:44:28
No biggie.

Diana
00:44:29
And then he, like, gets real gross, talking about how Hannah wants to be dominated by someone big and strong.

Liz
00:44:36
Yeah.

Liz
00:44:36
He just does some real crappy.

Liz
00:44:38
And she just knocks his head against the bars like we all want.

Diana
00:44:41
Really good.

Diana
00:44:41
It was good.

Diana
00:44:42
Good.

Diana
00:44:42
Good job, Hannah.

Diana
00:44:45
And Castiel is like, no, don't make a deal with this guy.

Diana
00:44:49
He is a liar.

Diana
00:44:52
Always.

Diana
00:44:52
And all his deals are terrible, and they end in blood and tears, and this is my life, so back the off.

Diana
00:45:01
But so she does, and she's gonna walk away.

Diana
00:45:05
And Metatron's gonna keep talking to Castiel, though, AKA Stiel, as he likes to call him.

Liz
00:45:12
It's still a good burn.

Diana
00:45:14
It is a good burn, as dorky as it is is.

Diana
00:45:18
And he's like, Metatron's like, there is some of your grace left.

Diana
00:45:21
And Cassio's like, nope, don't want it.

Diana
00:45:24
I enjoy, you know, thinking about you locked up here till the end of time, and that's all that matters.

Diana
00:45:30
And Metron's like, don't worry.

Diana
00:45:31
I'm gonna get out.

Diana
00:45:32
It may take for a millennial, but here's the sneak preview.

Diana
00:45:36
When I'm out, everybody dies.

Liz
00:45:39
Yeah.

Liz
00:45:40
So threatening, threatening, threatening.

Diana
00:45:42
Yeah.

Liz
00:45:43
And he also says, dead man walking, like, twice.

Liz
00:45:46
And I just don't like that.

Liz
00:45:48
Like, oh, man, it wasn't funny.

Liz
00:45:49
It wasn't good the first time.

Liz
00:45:51
He didn't wear it the second time.

Liz
00:45:52
Metron.

Diana
00:45:53
I know.

Diana
00:45:54
It's just goading him.

Diana
00:45:55
It's just annoying.

Diana
00:45:58
So Dean is at a piano, drinking and thinking about what Crowley said about picking a side.

Liz
00:46:08
And he's just cutting himself open with odt.

Diana
00:46:12
Yeah, it's real weird.

Diana
00:46:13
Cutting his hand and watching it heal over and over again.

Diana
00:46:16
And Sam is like, finally shows up.

Diana
00:46:19
And so Dean sends a bartender away.

Diana
00:46:21
Why does the bartender listen to Sam?

Diana
00:46:23
To Dean?

Diana
00:46:23
Why?

Diana
00:46:24
What.

Diana
00:46:24
What power does Dean have to do, like, just go outside?

Diana
00:46:29
It's very weird.

Diana
00:46:31
And Dean tries to make small talk about Sam's shoulder sling, but doesn't really care.

Diana
00:46:39
And it's about how Sam just can't let Dean go.

Diana
00:46:44
And Crowley sold Dean out, but Dean has the Blade.

Diana
00:46:48
And Sam's like, yeah, and we also know how to cure demons.

Diana
00:46:51
Remember that?

Diana
00:46:54
And Dean's like, yeah, it's a little Latin and a lot of blood, but if I wanted that, you know, if I wanted.

Diana
00:46:59
If I wanted that, I would have.

Diana
00:47:01
I wouldn't have failed.

Diana
00:47:03
So Sam's like, well, I.

Diana
00:47:05
That was Crowley, right?

Diana
00:47:06
I mean, we can fix this.

Diana
00:47:08
No big.

Diana
00:47:08
But Dean's like, man, I don't know.

Diana
00:47:10
I don't know.

Diana
00:47:11
I don't know.

Diana
00:47:11
Because I'm just trying not to rip your throat out right now.

Diana
00:47:14
So I don't know about walk out the door with you.

Diana
00:47:17
I don't think that's gonna work.

Diana
00:47:18
I don't know.

Liz
00:47:18
Eat you?

Diana
00:47:19
Yeah.

Diana
00:47:20
You don't know really what I've done.

Diana
00:47:23
So, yeah, that's fine.

Diana
00:47:26
And Sam's trying to be sweet.

Diana
00:47:27
He's like, you're my brother.

Diana
00:47:28
I'll take you home.

Diana
00:47:29
It's fine.

Diana
00:47:31
And Dean just mocks him and takes a shot.

Diana
00:47:34
It's really.

Liz
00:47:34
And just.

Liz
00:47:35
Just makes my stomach hurt.

Liz
00:47:37
He's just drinking so much straight tequila.

Liz
00:47:39
It's just painful.

Liz
00:47:41
It's just.

Diana
00:47:41
Ow.

Diana
00:47:43
So it's a lot of heartburn.

Diana
00:47:45
I don't know if he took his amaprozole this morning.

Liz
00:47:47
I don't know, man.

Diana
00:47:50
But Sam pulls out his fancy Sigil, handcuffs, a smoke bomb gets thrown through the window or gas.

Diana
00:48:00
It's not like smoke.

Diana
00:48:01
It's a.

Diana
00:48:01
It's a tear gas bomb thing.

Diana
00:48:05
And so Sam is choking and runs out the back door as Cole approaches and knocks Sam the out.

Liz
00:48:12
God damn it.

Diana
00:48:13
Of course, him.

Liz
00:48:14
Poor Sam's head, man.

Liz
00:48:16
Like, the amount of concussions on that poor boy.

Liz
00:48:19
Noggin.

Diana
00:48:20
No kidding.

Diana
00:48:20
So Dean comes out to see what the going on.

Diana
00:48:23
And basically now we get confirmation that Sam escaped because Cole let him escape to lead him to Dean, which.

Liz
00:48:35
Or took advantage of him escaping to follow him yeah.

Diana
00:48:39
Because it was almost too easy.

Diana
00:48:41
But anyways.

Diana
00:48:41
But Dean's like, I don't know who the you are.

Diana
00:48:45
I don't know why you're after me.

Diana
00:48:47
I don't know, man.

Diana
00:48:49
And so Cole's like, oh, don't you remember in New York in 2003?

Diana
00:48:53
You gutted and murdered my dad.

Diana
00:48:55
And Dean's like, ah, still don't ring a bell.

Diana
00:48:58
I don't know what to tell you, man.

Diana
00:49:00
I don't know what to tell you.

Diana
00:49:01
And Cole's like, you let me live, and I've spent half my life training for this moment.

Diana
00:49:07
I know you're good, but I'm better anyways.

Diana
00:49:10
It's a lot.

Diana
00:49:12
But Cole attacks him, and it goes so badly.

Diana
00:49:17
This fight is kind of depressing, especially when you think about this.

Diana
00:49:20
And Dean alludes to this afterwards.

Liz
00:49:21
Yeah.

Diana
00:49:21
How, like, sad this is because Dean has, like, full demon strength now.

Diana
00:49:26
And mark of Kane demon strength.

Diana
00:49:29
He is kind of a bad.

Liz
00:49:31
Yeah.

Liz
00:49:31
There's no way the Cole stands, like, no chance whatsoever.

Diana
00:49:36
Zero.

Liz
00:49:38
Yeah.

Diana
00:49:39
And they keep trying, and then Dean just.

Liz
00:49:42
Just easily beats the.

Liz
00:49:43
Out of him.

Diana
00:49:44
And Haven gets to go, like.

Diana
00:49:46
Dean gets to go like Princess Bride.

Diana
00:49:48
Mock him about the.

Diana
00:49:50
You know, my name is Inigo Montoya.

Diana
00:49:52
You killed my father.

Diana
00:49:53
Prepare to die.

Diana
00:49:54
Like, it's.

Diana
00:49:55
And.

Diana
00:49:55
But what is interesting, when Cole does manage to cut Dean's face and sees it heal, and then he's.

Diana
00:50:02
Then he's like, what are you?

Liz
00:50:05
And so then he flips his eyes at him.

Liz
00:50:08
He's like, you like me now?

Diana
00:50:11
And he's got odt and he's about to kill Cole.

Diana
00:50:16
Or he could have killed Cole, but he doesn't.

Diana
00:50:19
And then Sam starts flinging holy water and has handcuffs out and puts him in a car.

Diana
00:50:23
And Crowley's there, and Sam's giving ODT to Crowley while a handcuffed Dean is in the back seat of the car.

Diana
00:50:36
And Crowley assures.

Diana
00:50:38
So this is the payment the finders fee that Crowley wanted for handing over Dean.

Diana
00:50:43
Was it.

Diana
00:50:44
He wants ODT back because he doesn't want to get killed.

Liz
00:50:48
And, you know, frankly, I think this may make sense right now.

Liz
00:50:51
Like, based on, you know, what they know at this moment.

Liz
00:50:54
It.

Liz
00:50:54
Like, maybe it's time, like, you take a little break from your.

Liz
00:50:58
Your weird little donkey jaw.

Diana
00:50:59
Yeah.

Diana
00:51:00
Reasonable.

Diana
00:51:02
It's gross.

Liz
00:51:03
It's nasty.

Liz
00:51:04
You were just rubbing that into your hand.

Liz
00:51:06
Like, it was just really, like, with the little molars.

Liz
00:51:09
And, like, you didn't flop.

Liz
00:51:11
Do you floss out?

Liz
00:51:12
ET like, does, like, things get stuck in between the teeth.

Diana
00:51:15
Whoa.

Diana
00:51:16
So I didn't think of that.

Diana
00:51:18
I just feel like it looks like it smells bad.

Diana
00:51:19
Bad.

Liz
00:51:20
It just clearly smells terrible.

Diana
00:51:26
Oh.

Diana
00:51:27
So, yeah.

Liz
00:51:29
And Sam tries to bone.

Diana
00:51:32
Yeah.

Diana
00:51:33
It's got to soak in, like, a bleach for, like, an extended period of time.

Diana
00:51:35
Right.

Diana
00:51:36
Something.

Liz
00:51:36
Walking biohazard.

Liz
00:51:38
Anyways, so.

Diana
00:51:39
Too porous for this.

Liz
00:51:41
But, yeah.

Diana
00:51:43
So Sam's trying to threaten Crowley about me next time.

Diana
00:51:46
And Crowley's just like, yeah, now.

Diana
00:51:48
I, I.

Diana
00:51:49
No, it's fine.

Diana
00:51:50
Whatever.

Diana
00:51:51
And so, yeah, And a.

Diana
00:51:53
We have a very, very bloody coal in a very dark library rubbing blood over all of these books.

Diana
00:52:01
That is in a very poorly lit library.

Diana
00:52:03
What is happening?

Liz
00:52:05
This poor librarian, you know, this is, like, her Wednesday afternoon.

Liz
00:52:09
And she's just trying to get through.

Liz
00:52:11
Like, her.

Liz
00:52:12
She's just like, I just gotta get my day done.

Liz
00:52:14
And then here comes Cole just, like, covered in blood, and she's just like the.

Liz
00:52:21
I just.

Diana
00:52:22
Yeah.

Diana
00:52:23
Bloody man rubbing bloody hands all over books in a poorly lit library.

Diana
00:52:28
Her eye.

Diana
00:52:29
She's got eye strain.

Liz
00:52:30
Yeah.

Liz
00:52:30
When she's just, like.

Liz
00:52:31
She starts twitching, just being like, God damn, another one.

Diana
00:52:34
Oh, my God.

Liz
00:52:35
Like.

Liz
00:52:36
And how many times a day does, like, someone come in there asking for demons?

Diana
00:52:40
Right?

Liz
00:52:45
And then, like, he gets a sad idea of, like, what happens when you actually look for books on demons in a library.

Diana
00:52:52
Oh, my gosh.

Diana
00:52:54
So ridiculous.

Diana
00:52:56
But, yeah.

Diana
00:52:56
And then we've got Crowley's at the bar being sad, looking at ODT and at cute pictures of him and Dean at the bar together.

Liz
00:53:05
And there's some great photographs.

Diana
00:53:07
There are.

Diana
00:53:08
And hey, Lonely Girl is playing on the radio while two demons watch him face weird and sad.

Diana
00:53:17
And Sam is driving away with Dean.

Diana
00:53:21
And he is pissed because baby is dirty and not just like, oh, she got out.

Diana
00:53:26
It rained on her.

Diana
00:53:27
It's got, like, demon Dean, like, left trash and gunk inside the car.

Liz
00:53:34
What the.

Diana
00:53:35
Is this rude?

Diana
00:53:37
He said it's just a car, sir.

Diana
00:53:42
Excuse me?

Liz
00:53:44
That's how.

Liz
00:53:44
That's how you know how far gone he is.

Diana
00:53:46
Oh.

Diana
00:53:48
So.

Diana
00:53:48
And Sam's like, oh, but you took mercy on Cole.

Diana
00:53:51
That was, you know, very human of you.

Diana
00:53:54
Blah, blah.

Diana
00:53:55
And Dean's like, are you kidding me?

Diana
00:53:57
That wasn't mercy.

Diana
00:53:59
I whipped him like a dog.

Diana
00:54:00
And now he has to live with the fact that he couldn't kill me.

Diana
00:54:05
And then.

Diana
00:54:06
And what I'm gonna do to you ain't gonna be mercy either.

Liz
00:54:12
Yeah.

Liz
00:54:15
Yeah.

Liz
00:54:15
His ego is so huge right now, and he's just being super creepy.

Diana
00:54:19
Yeah.

Diana
00:54:20
Yeah.

Diana
00:54:21
So.

Diana
00:54:24
Oh.

Diana
00:54:25
All Right.

Diana
00:54:26
Well, I have a couple cast notes that I will share with you all tonight.

Host
00:54:31
Casting couch is the casting couch.

Host
00:54:37
Were they on that show that time with that guy?

Diana
00:54:44
La la la la la la la.

Liz
00:54:46
La la la la.

Diana
00:54:51
Our first is our favorite.

Diana
00:54:53
Lester was played by David Nicholl.

Diana
00:54:55
He's been in episodes of Call.

Diana
00:54:57
He was episodes of Call of the Wild, Stargate, SG1, Fringe, Once Upon a Time, and Kung Fu and some other things.

Diana
00:55:04
He was a medical examiner in Chupacabra Versus the Alamo.

Diana
00:55:09
He was a science teacher in Tomorrowland and Anatoly in Arrow, which is a reoccurring character.

Diana
00:55:16
He's been like over three dozen episodes of Arrow.

Diana
00:55:20
Our bouncer who got in the fight with I Got Beat up by Dean was played by Brad Kelly.

Diana
00:55:27
He actually does a lot of stunt work.

Diana
00:55:29
That's what most of his credits are for the movie.

Diana
00:55:31
Godzilla, Watchmen, iRobot and War for Planet of the Apes are some of his big credits as far as doing stunt work.

Diana
00:55:39
Our tattooed man, who happened to be the one that Mindy was having her tris with, was played by Robert Salvador, who was Detective Kavanaugh in I Zombie over two dozen episodes.

Diana
00:55:54
So there we go.

Liz
00:55:56
Very cool.

Diana
00:55:58
Yep.

Diana
00:56:00
So you said you call this douche, Dean, Most of this episode?

Liz
00:56:04
Yeah.

Liz
00:56:06
I mean, I think we're.

Liz
00:56:07
We're at, like, peak douche.

Liz
00:56:09
You know, it's.

Liz
00:56:09
It's pretty.

Liz
00:56:10
He's tipped the douche meter, like, pretty, pretty far.

Diana
00:56:14
The douche meter.

Diana
00:56:15
The douche meter might be breaking.

Liz
00:56:17
I think he may have broken the douche meter.

Diana
00:56:20
It's pretty.

Diana
00:56:21
It's pretty epically douchey.

Diana
00:56:25
Yeah.

Diana
00:56:25
I mean, that's the biggest thing.

Diana
00:56:27
I think that the dynamic between Hannah and Castiel is interesting, but it's gonna get old unless something kind of happens.

Liz
00:56:35
Well, it's kind of hard when you're.

Liz
00:56:39
They're characters that are supposed to be junkless, but they're not.

Liz
00:56:43
And then, you know, like.

Liz
00:56:44
And then it's confusing of how much humanity they really got because they fell.

Liz
00:56:49
But now the doors to heaven are back open, so now everything is fine.

Diana
00:56:57
Yeah, I guess.

Liz
00:56:59
And it hasn't really been explained, like, just, like, what's happened now.

Diana
00:57:04
Yeah, no, I can.

Diana
00:57:06
I can see that.

Diana
00:57:06
It's kind of.

Diana
00:57:07
Because I guess.

Diana
00:57:07
And Castiel especially has had so much history being a human, like, being very human not terribly long ago, because he.

Diana
00:57:14
You know, and then she's definitely newer to it, but I don't know.

Diana
00:57:19
So that dynamic is just kind of an odd one.

Diana
00:57:22
I'm not sure.

Diana
00:57:24
Where they're going with that.

Diana
00:57:25
But I will say, I.

Diana
00:57:27
I kind of like this, Sam.

Diana
00:57:29
I really would love to know when.

Liz
00:57:32
He gets the crappy dad.

Diana
00:57:33
Well, no, I like that he's like.

Diana
00:57:36
No, I hate that part.

Diana
00:57:37
I like that he's, like, focused and committed.

Diana
00:57:43
He's not wishy washy because sometimes he's a little wishy washy.

Diana
00:57:49
And then I am like, I really want to understand what's going on with Cole.

Liz
00:57:57
Cole needs therapy.

Diana
00:57:59
Well, I mean, I knew that part.

Diana
00:58:00
That part's a given.

Diana
00:58:02
I'm talking about the arrest, like, in general, like, as a viewer, like, did Dean just kill his dad?

Diana
00:58:09
But he wouldn't do that back in 2003.

Diana
00:58:11
Just go kill a dude.

Diana
00:58:12
So there had to be a reason.

Diana
00:58:13
So is dad a monster, or is somebody pretending to be Dean?

Diana
00:58:17
And with Cole's head, like, I want to know.

Liz
00:58:20
Yeah, there's a lot of possibilities.

Liz
00:58:22
Dean's had a life, man.

Liz
00:58:24
Like, he's done a lot of.

Diana
00:58:25
I'm not doing well waiting on that.

Diana
00:58:26
That storyline.

Diana
00:58:27
Yeah, that's my annoyance right now.

Diana
00:58:30
I also feel kind of bad for Cole.

Liz
00:58:32
Yeah.

Diana
00:58:33
Like you said, he just really needs therapy.

Liz
00:58:35
He needs therapy.

Liz
00:58:36
He needs to learn that vengeance is, you know, vengeance and revenge or they're.

Liz
00:58:40
They're not good.

Liz
00:58:42
They're not going to fill up that hole in your heart, Cole.

Liz
00:58:44
They're just not.

Liz
00:58:45
The only way you're going to do that is to work through your trauma.

Liz
00:58:48
And that's going to take some process and some work and some growth.

Diana
00:58:52
This is true.

Diana
00:58:53
Yes.

Liz
00:58:55
Or you can just, you know, drink a bunch.

Diana
00:58:58
I mean, he might do better with that than he.

Diana
00:59:03
Anything else he's doing right now.

Diana
00:59:04
That's okay.

Diana
00:59:05
So.

Liz
00:59:06
Yeah, So.

Liz
00:59:07
I don't know.

Liz
00:59:08
I mean, I'm.

Liz
00:59:08
I'm sad that Crowley and Dean have broken up.

Liz
00:59:11
You know, I do and do enjoy their relationship, but.

Liz
00:59:14
So I think it is time that Daddy took ODT away.

Diana
00:59:18
Yeah, I think you're probably correct on that.

Liz
00:59:23
I mean, really, in episode two, so who knows?

Diana
00:59:25
Oh, I know we got plenty to go this season, that's for sure.

Diana
00:59:28
So I'm interested to see where it's gonna go.

Diana
00:59:32
I'm hopeful that we don't have a full season of Douchey Demon Dean.

Liz
00:59:38
Yeah, I think that would probably.

Liz
00:59:39
If that was a line that they chose to do, I think that could get old pretty fast.

Diana
00:59:43
I would.

Diana
00:59:43
I would expect degree.

Diana
00:59:45
But yeah.

Liz
00:59:47
All right.

Liz
00:59:47
I think on that note.

Diana
00:59:49
Cheers, Jerk.

Diana
00:59:51
Cheers.

Diana
00:59:52
Devil's Trap podcast is a.

Diana
00:59:56
Don't get a production Meow.

Host
00:59:59
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Host
01:00:03
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Host
01:00:06
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Host
01:00:19
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Host
01:00:24
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Diana
01:00:40
Going up to the spirit in the skies that's where I'm going to go when I die When I die and they lay me I'm going to go into the place I.

Liz
01:01:00
Sa.