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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Code AFL Show. I'm John Ralph joined by Josh Barnes. Here at Icon Park after another Carton sacking, we will rip through all the big agenda items from the press conference. Barnesy, let's start with why did Carton sack Michael Voss?
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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, it was the win loss obviously, one of eight this year is pretty hard to get through, and it was pretty clearly indicated in that press comments we've just been to that Michael Voss's tactical now was never really up to scratch. It was always talked about his connection with the players, but clearly he never got to that next level as a coach. Strategically. They tried to fit everything around him strategically, it.
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Speaker 3: Never really happened. The game style this year was not up to scratch.
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Speaker 2: Carton has said that it didn't improve what they wanted in the offseason, so when they reappointed him, he didn't change enough.
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Speaker 3: Ralphie, why did it happen? Right now?
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Speaker 4: Though?
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Speaker 1: Well, as you say, one eight, it was a horrific win loss record. I think what Carton has done is a perfect Carton sacking. There's been so often the blindsided the coach they've been so often they've dragged it on interminably when they should have sacked him previously. I think this was perfectly done. This is a footy club, but it may well have sacked him last year. Instead they gave him enough rope and they said, Michael, you need to ange game style. They did it with, let's face it, amazing communication with him feeling really well supported. With let's face it, no Michael Voss at this press conference, but you know that senior leaders saying all the right things. I know there's to be some criticism of it. I think it was absolutely perfect done. So why now so Michael Voss After all that communication came to Chris Davies, the club's football boss, in his hotel room on Friday before the game against Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: He said, the time he is now.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to drag this through to the buy and so as Chris Davies said, look, he felt extraordinarily well supported. There are a few little hints, a few breadcrumbs in his post match press conference and even in his address to the players post match about whether this was the final game, and then of course discussions across the weekend where I assume they work through a settlement payout, he'll get paid most of his salary and then, of course it was to be announced today until it was broken ahead.
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Speaker 3: Of the news.
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Speaker 1: Was at the wrong decision to extend Michael Voss last year into the final year of his over his deal.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to see it as anything else.
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Speaker 2: I think at this stage Carleton was adamant today they wanted him to give get a chance and coach and do that finally to see out the contract. But when you sack a coach at round nine, it's hard to argue that there was anything but a mistake and it feels like a wasted year.
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Speaker 3: They're adamant in there.
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Speaker 2: It's not we're finding things about our players, our club, all that stuff. But this is a club that started the year only ten weeks ago the CEO and the president said we're going to finish top ten.
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Speaker 3: That's what we want to do.
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Speaker 2: Now they're talking about list transitions and all that sort of stuff, which is basically a rebuild.
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Speaker 3: So it's a complete waste. They've gone downhill from where they wanted to be.
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Speaker 2: Where they are now, they don't have a coach, they've got an interim in Josh Fraser, it's a year that's gone down the gurgler.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what did Carlton sack Michael Voss? Because they looked at comparisons like Melbourne. They saw how Stephen King was able to transition the list that we all thought could only play contest and defense. And so you know, the Carlton list maybe hasn't got the talent, hasn't got a couple of Picket brothers or relatives, but they saw what he was able to do and he was not able to do that. And why is it a wasted year? Because look at what Melbourne has been able to do. They've been able to steal a March with a new innovative game plan, and Carlton still is effectively stuck at ground zero. The senior players. We've just heard from Jacob Wiering, from Patrick Crips and also Sam Walls short your takeouts.
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Speaker 2: Interesting that Weeding again committed himself to Carlton. He said, I'm a Blue for life essentially there he's got five years to run a contract. Patrick cripp said, I have no interest in leaving. He's got one year to run in a contract.
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Speaker 3: No, no, he said, I'm contracted to the end of next year.
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Speaker 1: Anything Chanin's about your future here and you've stuck fed every time you've had a chance.
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Speaker 4: Mad I'm contract in the next year. So like I said before, so I'm really committed in terms of this season. Like it's you know, I'm not just going to wave the white flag and waste the year. There's a lot forty to play out this year. So the privileged to play IFL any game AFL is a massive on. There's so many people in the world would love to play any game of footy and that never gets lost to me and especially for this footy club. So I'm going to leave it all the same way I've been doing it, you know for the last six eight years, and you know where the jump with pride and keep going for it.
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Speaker 3: There is a real difference, you know.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't as affirmative. I suppose he's weading. He said he's focused on seeing out this year. He said a couple of times those discussions Ralphie do they start now? When do they start? With Patrick Coopson saying what do you see in your future?
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Speaker 1: No, Carlton emphatically shutstup every single trade request while listening to offers I think that's a smart way to do it. There's no way that you move on Patrick Cripps for a second rounder. And if it is that someone desperately wants to come to you, maybe you consider that. Yes, you absolutely consider those offers. I think any coach that wanted to move on Jacob Weiner and would be committing career suicide. I think it'd be extremely just ridiculous and reckless. He's got five or six or maybe even more great years in front of him. Now, if you're moving on Patrick Cripps, you might say, we want to change everything about the way that we want to play. There's been no successful football team in the last one hundred years who hasn't had a fantastic defender. So look, they'll clearly listen to offers for Patrick. They'll listen to him and whoever that next coach is. Let's face it, they're probably only going to be imported in the last four or six years of the season, and that's when you have those discussions. So Graham Wright said, we are in an extremely attractive proposition. He talked about show rates, he talked about infrastructure. Is this an attractive job to take on? Carton? With all the baggage and all the coaches they've sacked in the last well, let's face it, twenty years.
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Speaker 2: It's be fascinating what the pitches are from the potential senior coaches. Whether they stride in here like Stephen King said, and I'm going to revamp the game plan and make us fun and exciting and we're going to have big crowds at the MCG and all that sort of stuff. We're going to win games, or whether the coaches come in and say, I'm looking at this list and we're going to bought them out even further, that is going to be the pivot point and how much they give on that. I asked Graham right if this releast is now in a rebuild, he wouldn't use the R word. They used transition a lot today in the official statement, they said genuine transition for the club. That sounds to me like they're going to cut extremely deep. They're going to the draft, they've said multiple times with players. That sounds like they're getting worse before you get better type situation. So that's not attractive to me if I want to win games. That's attractive to a first time coach trying to find their feet and get a bit of a long runway. Not to an older coach coming in expecting to win straight away on a short term window.
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Speaker 1: I different a little bit. I don't think this is a savage rebuild. I just think they haven't got enough players with great collateral layre apart from weadering and with a nunci out of the reasons why you wouldn't trade him. I just don't think there's a way where you can do what Richmond did and take what was it seven or eight picks within the top thirty in this year's draft. And so yes, they'll try and get a second first round it. They might even bring forward the twenty twenty seven first rounder. So you try and take three picks to this draft. Whatever your picks on next year, they're going to be diluted by Tasmania. So yes, the list is in a pretty shabby state. You start bringing in some young kids, players like Ison, maybe Ben Camparelly, maybe Lucas when he gets over his kidney issue. You expose the list under the new interim coach. And speaking of that, so sam Well shared that Josh Fraser was here in his first year as the Carlton Northern Bullots coach. Pretty impressed by what he can do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's got a great background as well. Rady came back to Carlton this year after being a bit of development stuff for Colmen, which we know Grahamewright likes in his coaches, so he gets he gets a run. Now what fourteen weeks is a lot for an interim coach. He gets a long time to prove himself, to see if even likes the job, and he can show us what is in this Carlton list still to come. We know that David t got on the tea train all those years ago and got himself appointed. From this situation, I'd be surprised if that happens, But he gets himself a big runway Ralpha to coach himself.
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Speaker 3: I guess into some kind of position questions without notice.
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Speaker 1: If you had to hire one of the experience types right now, knowing that they'll probably go for the younger bloke, who would you go from from that? Adam Simpson, Nathan Buckley, John Longmeyer, Ken Hinckley style.
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Speaker 2: I would be looking towards a Ken Hinckley or a Nathan Buckley like. I think there is still pain to come with this list. I don't think even a great transition of the game plan means I'll finish top four. We know Adam Sinson struggled with that at West Coast his last year. John long White seems like he's coaching window is going to be short. Ken Hinckley probably the same. But Nathan Buckley, he's keen on the Tasmanian long window. That's going to be a long one. So yeah, I think Kennickley can bring through a lot of young players and help them out. We've seen that at Port Adelaide. I guess we've seen the other coaches. They want a short term solution, it seems like, so that's what I'd be doing for a senior coach. What about the untried coaches out there? Roough, do you have a favorite amongst what he's going to be a very very long pack.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the challenge that you know. Hayden Skipworth has huge admirers within Collingwood, but I would say he's not necessarily ready that Daniel Jeronceyracuse has how to crack at it and now has gone to Hawthorne. Jamie Graham has some huge admirers from fremant Or, but others would say he's not necessarily ready. I think it's still the best job market out there for Carton to choose from.
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Speaker 3: In ten years.
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Speaker 1: You've got four senior coaches, You've got an array of people the likes of Sean Grigg, who's got massive admirers himself a gold Coast, So I think the balance of the older than you. Yes, some of them might be not exactly ready, but I think if I'm a Robert Priestley and Graham Wright, I'm sacking my coach and I'm saying you beauty, because there are a bonanza of coaches out there. Having said that, it does seem like the new wave, and almost every one of the premiership coaches in recent history has been a first timer. So we would say that as much as we'll get excited about the senior coaches in waiting, it's probably going to be a senior assistant.
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Speaker 3: It seems to makes sense.
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Speaker 2: We know the Collingwood process that Graham right spearheaded started with ninety two names on the board, so I imagine, giving the long long time they have to find a new coach, they're going to start with almost that many again, and they're going to whittle it down from there. So it's going to be quite a long process for Carlton to try and find their next man.
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Speaker 1: Would you trade Patrick Gripps.
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Speaker 3: I don't think you're.
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Speaker 2: Going to get the offers you need to make it worthwhile unless he demands to go, he wants to go home, or he sees a better future elsewhere than you probably respect that, but you're probably not getting a top ten pick for him now, are you. So I'm not sure the better the cost benefit on that is there. I guess it depends on what he would think. You're keeping Jacob Whening. What are you doing with Terry McKay, I'm Kevin Harry mckaye as well. They're going to have a crack at the likes of Joelamardi. I just think you need your pillars there. It's all very well to trade off your players who could one day take you to the flag, but I think you become a West Coast You've become a North Melbourne with a five or seven year rebuild at a time when you can't get access to those picks, and so that's a challenge. But what Graham Right has shown, albeit with a much better list at Collingwood in twenty twenty two. Is that you rebuild on the run, you bring young players in, you go to the fratecy market and you get the best possible coach, which became Craig mccrack Collingwood to try and sell your football club. There's a lot that's still right at this foota club, but unfortunately Barnsey they have sack another coach.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Code AFL Show. I'm John Ralph joined by Josh Barnes. Here at Icon Park after another Carton sacking, we will rip through all the big agenda items from the press conference. Barnesy, let's start with why did Carton sack Michael Voss?
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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, it was the win loss obviously, one of eight this year is pretty hard to get through, and it was pretty clearly indicated in that press comments we've just been to that Michael Voss's tactical now was never really up to scratch. It was always talked about his connection with the players, but clearly he never got to that next level as a coach. Strategically. They tried to fit everything around him strategically, it.
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Speaker 3: Never really happened. The game style this year was not up to scratch.
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Speaker 2: Carton has said that it didn't improve what they wanted in the offseason, so when they reappointed him, he didn't change enough.
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Speaker 3: Ralphie, why did it happen? Right now?
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Speaker 4: Though?
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Speaker 1: Well, as you say, one eight, it was a horrific win loss record. I think what Carton has done is a perfect Carton sacking. There's been so often the blindsided the coach they've been so often they've dragged it on interminably when they should have sacked him previously. I think this was perfectly done. This is a footy club, but it may well have sacked him last year. Instead they gave him enough rope and they said, Michael, you need to ange game style. They did it with, let's face it, amazing communication with him feeling really well supported. With let's face it, no Michael Voss at this press conference, but you know that senior leaders saying all the right things. I know there's to be some criticism of it. I think it was absolutely perfect done. So why now so Michael Voss After all that communication came to Chris Davies, the club's football boss, in his hotel room on Friday before the game against Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: He said, the time he is now.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to drag this through to the buy and so as Chris Davies said, look, he felt extraordinarily well supported. There are a few little hints, a few breadcrumbs in his post match press conference and even in his address to the players post match about whether this was the final game, and then of course discussions across the weekend where I assume they work through a settlement payout, he'll get paid most of his salary and then, of course it was to be announced today until it was broken ahead.
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Speaker 3: Of the news.
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Speaker 1: Was at the wrong decision to extend Michael Voss last year into the final year of his over his deal.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to see it as anything else.
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Speaker 2: I think at this stage Carleton was adamant today they wanted him to give get a chance and coach and do that finally to see out the contract. But when you sack a coach at round nine, it's hard to argue that there was anything but a mistake and it feels like a wasted year.
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Speaker 3: They're adamant in there.
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Speaker 2: It's not we're finding things about our players, our club, all that stuff. But this is a club that started the year only ten weeks ago the CEO and the president said we're going to finish top ten.
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Speaker 3: That's what we want to do.
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Speaker 2: Now they're talking about list transitions and all that sort of stuff, which is basically a rebuild.
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Speaker 3: So it's a complete waste. They've gone downhill from where they wanted to be.
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Speaker 2: Where they are now, they don't have a coach, they've got an interim in Josh Fraser, it's a year that's gone down the gurgler.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what did Carlton sack Michael Voss? Because they looked at comparisons like Melbourne. They saw how Stephen King was able to transition the list that we all thought could only play contest and defense. And so you know, the Carlton list maybe hasn't got the talent, hasn't got a couple of Picket brothers or relatives, but they saw what he was able to do and he was not able to do that. And why is it a wasted year? Because look at what Melbourne has been able to do. They've been able to steal a March with a new innovative game plan, and Carlton still is effectively stuck at ground zero. The senior players. We've just heard from Jacob Wiering, from Patrick Crips and also Sam Walls short your takeouts.
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Speaker 2: Interesting that Weeding again committed himself to Carlton. He said, I'm a Blue for life essentially there he's got five years to run a contract. Patrick cripp said, I have no interest in leaving. He's got one year to run in a contract.
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Speaker 3: No, no, he said, I'm contracted to the end of next year.
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Speaker 1: Anything Chanin's about your future here and you've stuck fed every time you've had a chance.
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Speaker 4: Mad I'm contract in the next year. So like I said before, so I'm really committed in terms of this season. Like it's you know, I'm not just going to wave the white flag and waste the year. There's a lot forty to play out this year. So the privileged to play IFL any game AFL is a massive on. There's so many people in the world would love to play any game of footy and that never gets lost to me and especially for this footy club. So I'm going to leave it all the same way I've been doing it, you know for the last six eight years, and you know where the jump with pride and keep going for it.
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Speaker 3: There is a real difference, you know.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't as affirmative. I suppose he's weading. He said he's focused on seeing out this year. He said a couple of times those discussions Ralphie do they start now? When do they start? With Patrick Coopson saying what do you see in your future?
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Speaker 1: No, Carlton emphatically shutstup every single trade request while listening to offers I think that's a smart way to do it. There's no way that you move on Patrick Cripps for a second rounder. And if it is that someone desperately wants to come to you, maybe you consider that. Yes, you absolutely consider those offers. I think any coach that wanted to move on Jacob Weiner and would be committing career suicide. I think it'd be extremely just ridiculous and reckless. He's got five or six or maybe even more great years in front of him. Now, if you're moving on Patrick Cripps, you might say, we want to change everything about the way that we want to play. There's been no successful football team in the last one hundred years who hasn't had a fantastic defender. So look, they'll clearly listen to offers for Patrick. They'll listen to him and whoever that next coach is. Let's face it, they're probably only going to be imported in the last four or six years of the season, and that's when you have those discussions. So Graham Wright said, we are in an extremely attractive proposition. He talked about show rates, he talked about infrastructure. Is this an attractive job to take on? Carton? With all the baggage and all the coaches they've sacked in the last well, let's face it, twenty years.
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Speaker 2: It's be fascinating what the pitches are from the potential senior coaches. Whether they stride in here like Stephen King said, and I'm going to revamp the game plan and make us fun and exciting and we're going to have big crowds at the MCG and all that sort of stuff. We're going to win games, or whether the coaches come in and say, I'm looking at this list and we're going to bought them out even further, that is going to be the pivot point and how much they give on that. I asked Graham right if this releast is now in a rebuild, he wouldn't use the R word. They used transition a lot today in the official statement, they said genuine transition for the club. That sounds to me like they're going to cut extremely deep. They're going to the draft, they've said multiple times with players. That sounds like they're getting worse before you get better type situation. So that's not attractive to me if I want to win games. That's attractive to a first time coach trying to find their feet and get a bit of a long runway. Not to an older coach coming in expecting to win straight away on a short term window.
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Speaker 1: I different a little bit. I don't think this is a savage rebuild. I just think they haven't got enough players with great collateral layre apart from weadering and with a nunci out of the reasons why you wouldn't trade him. I just don't think there's a way where you can do what Richmond did and take what was it seven or eight picks within the top thirty in this year's draft. And so yes, they'll try and get a second first round it. They might even bring forward the twenty twenty seven first rounder. So you try and take three picks to this draft. Whatever your picks on next year, they're going to be diluted by Tasmania. So yes, the list is in a pretty shabby state. You start bringing in some young kids, players like Ison, maybe Ben Camparelly, maybe Lucas when he gets over his kidney issue. You expose the list under the new interim coach. And speaking of that, so sam Well shared that Josh Fraser was here in his first year as the Carlton Northern Bullots coach. Pretty impressed by what he can do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's got a great background as well. Rady came back to Carlton this year after being a bit of development stuff for Colmen, which we know Grahamewright likes in his coaches, so he gets he gets a run. Now what fourteen weeks is a lot for an interim coach. He gets a long time to prove himself, to see if even likes the job, and he can show us what is in this Carlton list still to come. We know that David t got on the tea train all those years ago and got himself appointed. From this situation, I'd be surprised if that happens, But he gets himself a big runway Ralpha to coach himself.
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Speaker 3: I guess into some kind of position questions without notice.
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Speaker 1: If you had to hire one of the experience types right now, knowing that they'll probably go for the younger bloke, who would you go from from that? Adam Simpson, Nathan Buckley, John Longmeyer, Ken Hinckley style.
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Speaker 2: I would be looking towards a Ken Hinckley or a Nathan Buckley like. I think there is still pain to come with this list. I don't think even a great transition of the game plan means I'll finish top four. We know Adam Sinson struggled with that at West Coast his last year. John long White seems like he's coaching window is going to be short. Ken Hinckley probably the same. But Nathan Buckley, he's keen on the Tasmanian long window. That's going to be a long one. So yeah, I think Kennickley can bring through a lot of young players and help them out. We've seen that at Port Adelaide. I guess we've seen the other coaches. They want a short term solution, it seems like, so that's what I'd be doing for a senior coach. What about the untried coaches out there? Roough, do you have a favorite amongst what he's going to be a very very long pack.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the challenge that you know. Hayden Skipworth has huge admirers within Collingwood, but I would say he's not necessarily ready that Daniel Jeronceyracuse has how to crack at it and now has gone to Hawthorne. Jamie Graham has some huge admirers from fremant Or, but others would say he's not necessarily ready. I think it's still the best job market out there for Carton to choose from.
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Speaker 3: In ten years.
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Speaker 1: You've got four senior coaches, You've got an array of people the likes of Sean Grigg, who's got massive admirers himself a gold Coast, So I think the balance of the older than you. Yes, some of them might be not exactly ready, but I think if I'm a Robert Priestley and Graham Wright, I'm sacking my coach and I'm saying you beauty, because there are a bonanza of coaches out there. Having said that, it does seem like the new wave, and almost every one of the premiership coaches in recent history has been a first timer. So we would say that as much as we'll get excited about the senior coaches in waiting, it's probably going to be a senior assistant.
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Speaker 3: It seems to makes sense.
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Speaker 2: We know the Collingwood process that Graham right spearheaded started with ninety two names on the board, so I imagine, giving the long long time they have to find a new coach, they're going to start with almost that many again, and they're going to whittle it down from there. So it's going to be quite a long process for Carlton to try and find their next man.
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Speaker 1: Would you trade Patrick Gripps.
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Speaker 3: I don't think you're.
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Speaker 2: Going to get the offers you need to make it worthwhile unless he demands to go, he wants to go home, or he sees a better future elsewhere than you probably respect that, but you're probably not getting a top ten pick for him now, are you. So I'm not sure the better the cost benefit on that is there. I guess it depends on what he would think. You're keeping Jacob Whening. What are you doing with Terry McKay, I'm Kevin Harry mckaye as well. They're going to have a crack at the likes of Joelamardi. I just think you need your pillars there. It's all very well to trade off your players who could one day take you to the flag, but I think you become a West Coast You've become a North Melbourne with a five or seven year rebuild at a time when you can't get access to those picks, and so that's a challenge. But what Graham Right has shown, albeit with a much better list at Collingwood in twenty twenty two. Is that you rebuild on the run, you bring young players in, you go to the fratecy market and you get the best possible coach, which became Craig mccrack Collingwood to try and sell your football club. There's a lot that's still right at this foota club, but unfortunately Barnsey they have sack another coach.
