Challenge Accepted: Traitors, Uno and MORE!

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What's up everybody, this is Scott Yeager here with another
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edition of Challenge Accepted where I take your questions and
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talk about everything going on in the world of Challenge Mania,
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The Challenge, reality TV. We've got a lot of other
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shows making news lately. Survivor back this week. Traders back
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last week in a myriad of ways. They've got their
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Fresh Folks season, or what are we calling that? New
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Blood season, non-celebrity season that's airing on NBC. And Peacock,
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that dropped last week, dropped a couple episodes. I'll talk
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a little bit about that. And then we've got our
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Fresh Cast announcement for the season filming now. that probably
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won't air until, you know, if they follow suit, it's
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going to be early 2027 when we'll see it. But
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we know that we've got a couple of our own
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representing the challenge on traders coming at us in 2027.
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We've got all that. We had that big episode last
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week on the challenge. I'll talk a little bit about that.
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And then of course, I want to keep you guys
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updated on everything going on with the podcast and live
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shows and events and everything like that. Speaking of which,
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This episode brought to you by Challenge Mania Live, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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This Saturday, guys, Philly's one of our favorite cities. We
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come there often. The question is, do we come there
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too often? It's possible. We were there early February. I
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think it was February 1st. We had CT there. TJ
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Lavin was a drop-in. It was an amazing show. Such
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an amazing night that we thought, hey, let's give them
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that second show, right? A lot of cities are saying, hey,
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why can't we be like New York or Chicago in
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these shows that sometimes get More than one event a year.
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And so we decided to come back this Saturday, September 26th.
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And maybe not the turnout so far that we expected
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and wanted from the City of Brotherly Love. That being said,
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we are still excited to rock with you guys this
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Saturday afternoon. It all goes down at noon at City Winery.
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It's an all-ages affair. So if you guys have ever
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wanted to bring a mini-maniac, anyone under 21, to come
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and meet Tori and Josh and Leo and everybody, this
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is the show for you. Whenever we do the comedy clubs,
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they're pretty strict about, you know, sometimes they'll give us
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21 and up and they don't budge at all. Sometimes
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they'll say 18 and up. Sometimes they'll give us 16
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and up. But, you know, I know a lot of
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you guys watch the shows with your kids or a
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lot of these kids look up to the Tories and
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the cars of the world and it sucks that sometimes
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we have to say sorry, no can do. But this
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Saturday in Philly, all ages, tickets at challengemania.live. As I said,
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still some meet and greet tickets available, which is rare
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for our Philadelphia shows. We are used to instant sellouts.
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We're used to early sellouts. We're used to VIP at
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the very least being gone almost instantly. So look, I
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know college football is going on, back to school. And
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like I said, maybe we were there too recently. So
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we will be back in Philly. It's not going to
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be in seven months like this time. It's probably going
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to be another year, year and a half, who knows
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even more. We will be back. Don't worry. But something
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that comes with us coming to Philly as often as
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we do and bringing the guests that we do, it's like,
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I see a lot of comments, everybody. Where's CT? Well,
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CT was on the last one. He was there on
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February 1st. So we're not going to bring CT back
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twice within eight months. Where's Johnny Bananas? He was on
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the one before that. So we've brought a lot of
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big names to Philly so far. We're going to keep
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trying to switch it up. And we had hoped that
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everybody who came out on February 1st would join us
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on September 26th. Not going to be the case. But honestly,
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the silver lining there is that sometimes our back is
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up against the wall as far as getting out of
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there in time and You know, sometimes the meet and
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greet needs to get rushed a little bit and things
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like that, but that should not be the case on Saturday.
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You should get quality time with everybody involved. I get
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to ask them any additional questions. I know Tori's bringing
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her books and everything and her cute little stuffies from
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the land of lunch, which if you haven't seen those,
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they're absolutely adorable. So, you know, you know, I don't
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know if you saw my post about Fort Lauderdale about, Hey,
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don't bring more than one thing to get signed. Feel
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free to do that on Saturday. I think we'll have
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time to sign those, those tops cards and extra things
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in addition to the poster that everybody's getting. Speaking of which,
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in addition to that poster, every single VIP ticket holder
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is getting a book written by our good friend Lovell Holder,
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who is going to be on the podcast soon. I'll
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be sitting down with him next week to talk about
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the Book of Luke, which I know you may have
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heard of us talking about it on the podcast. Lovell's
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a good friend, started off as a Challenge Mania listener
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and patron, and I'm happy to say he's become a
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friend over the years. He's got a storied history in
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the film and television world as a producer. He's obviously
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a huge fan of reality TV. And, uh, he entered
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into his, uh, you know, his maiden voyage as a
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novelist with the book of Luke. And I liken it to,
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I mean, if you ever read the, uh, uh, look,
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I don't read a lot of books. So my comparisons
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are going to be limited, but, um, a book that
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I really liked by, uh, by Ernest Klein ready player one,
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which of course, like, you know, set in the world
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of like video games and the sort of metaverse and
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things like that. And it's just loaded with all these references.
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That's what the book of Luke is. And it's a,
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it's a novel. It's a story. It tells a great
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story about great, characters that he created, but it all
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takes place in this epic landscape that is a reality
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competition show, not unlike Survivor and The Challenge. So there's,
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you know, references galore to actual TV cast members that
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exist and shows and moments on shows that you guys
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know and love. And I'm happy to say the podcast
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has played a part in his journey, allowing him to get,
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you know, added insight into the world. Because look, you know,
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being someone who covers the show, but also worked on
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a lot of these shows, You know, not everybody just
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knows how they're made and knows the terms and things
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like that. And Lovell got that stuff down. So the
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Book of Luke is available everywhere, hard copy and now paperback,
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which will be out, I believe, starting next week. And
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Lovell is bringing a paperback copy with him for every
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single VIP ticket holder. And who knows, maybe even if
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there's some extra copies, maybe even some of you GA
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folks as well. So everybody leave him with a book,
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Lovell's book, and maybe even more than one book if
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you hop on Tori's line and grab her adorable book.
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It's a children's book, The Land of Lunch. And my
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kids love it. They love the stuffies, uh, koala pear and, uh, bumblebee.
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And speaking of stuffies, uh, she hooked me up with
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her stuffy connect and, uh, we're going to be having
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Manny stuffies coming to a merch table near you in
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the not too distant future. So, uh, definitely want you
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guys to keep your eyes peeled for that. It will
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be a merch stand exclusive item, at least to start. Um,
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and then maybe we'll do some through the mail, but, uh,
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they're adorable. I've already gotten the sample and, uh, that
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should hopefully be available starting at shows in maybe November
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or something like that. So, um, Philadelphia is this Saturday.
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Then I've got a week off. And just to roll
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through that Philadelphia lineup, by the way, Tori Deal, Chris Underwood,
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Anissa Ferreira, Leo Dionichio, Josh Martinez, who is a guest
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who we, I mean, we love hearing when people meet
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someone they think they hate because of the show and
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then they come out of an event and they love them.
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Josh is that guy for you. I guarantee it. And
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I know a lot of you guys who aren't coming
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like to say in the comments, Josh, hell no, no,
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I'm not coming. But I guarantee you those of you
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who bought tickets before he was added, are going to
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be pleasantly surprised. He's an amazing hang. He's an amazing guy.
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The energy jumps off of him. His smile is infectious.
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And you will love meeting Mr. Martinez on Saturday. Mark Long,
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of course, there as well. And the guy who's been
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in the news this week, for better or for worse,
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Leo Dionichio. So who knows? Maybe he has a couple
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of cocktails in him. Maybe he gets a little loose-lipped
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on stage. Maybe if you ask him something at the
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meet and greet, maybe he gets some inside info about
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what happened last week leading to his demise on the show.
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But Three cast members from Cutthroat there, obviously Underwood and
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Tori still going strong. So we're going to talk a
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lot of Cutthroat and we're going to talk about the
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future of the challenge. Lots of good stuff live on
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stage in Philadelphia, City Winery, 12 p.m. start this Saturday.
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I was just going to say then I have a
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week off, then I'm hitting New Orleans. Another rare all-ages event,
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ironically taking place at a brewery. So funny that Urban
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South Brewery and City Winery are the all-ages places and the,
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you know, the heliums of the world and the laughies
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and the things that sound like they'd be for kids
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are not. Um, but yeah, uh, they said he even
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bring your dogs. I think, um, I would prefer you not,
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but I do believe they did say they are dog friendly,
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but you know, um, and, uh, it's an all ages thing.
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We got, uh, it's a Friday night, Lolo Jones. We
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just added, that's another one. A lot of people are
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commenting on, but I just, you know, come and come
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and meet her and reserve judgment till after you meet
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miss Lolo Jones, a full-fledged Olympian who yes, did have
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a cup of coffee on double agents and has done
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fairly well on celebrity big brother. But, um, she is a,
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you know, she's a cool person to come and, you know,
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talk to and get a selfie with. So She'll be there. Uh,
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Cara Maria Sorbello, Trishel Canatella, the Traders Champ, Tony Raines,
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John A. Stevens, Mark Long, and myself, and tickets are
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still available for that. And if I do say so myself, uh,
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one of the more affordable meet and greet tickets we have,
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that GA ticket does come with the meet and greet,
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and I think it's only 70 bucks or something like that.
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So go to challengemania.live. Um, I know our tickets can
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get pricey, especially for the VIP. And I, I, I
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do say so myself. Um, New Orleans is pretty, uh,
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reasonably priced. So That's after that. The week after that,
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which is October the 9th, we're coming on October 17th
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to Indianapolis, a very OG heavy lineup. Wes Bergman, Tina Bridges,
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Jody Weatherton, now Jody Kowalczyk, who also won the duel
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alongside Wes. Wes, no beard anymore. So if you've only
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had pictures with Wes when he has a beard, you
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can get beardless Wes for at least a few months here.
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Brad Fiorenza, also beardless as well. He'll be there. And
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then John A. Stevens is going to be there as well.
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So tickets to that at challengemania.live. We are hitting Nashville,
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one of our favorite stops every year, November 14th. That
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is sold out. However, don't give up hope yet. If
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you go to challengemaniapodcast.gmail.com, don't go to it. Actually, email us.
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Email me in the subject line. Put Nashville wait list,
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and we'll see what we can do. If tickets become available,
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we'll try to make it happen for you. That's all
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going down at Jelly Rolls during the day on a
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floor they usually have closed during the day. So we're
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really up. Thankful to Chase, who's opened it up for us,
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and we're going to have a great time on Saturday afternoon,
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November the 14th in Nashville. And we just announced, guys,
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tickets are going to go on sale soon. I just
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got to figure out the exact pre-sale date. I'd love
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to have some names locked in before we do so.
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I know you guys like to see those names before
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you get involved in the pre-sale. Pre-sale, as always, starts
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at challengemaniacs.com, beginning with Savage-level patrons, then Diesel-level patrons, Maniac-level patrons,
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all patrons, and then whatever's left will go on sale
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the next day to everybody else. Um, and I encourage you,
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by the way, challenge maniacs.com is a great place to
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just get information. So to find out when the presale
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is to find out how much it costs, you know,
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as guests get announced, we do all that for, you know,
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over there for free. Every announcement we put up is free.
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So you can become a free member over there. Even
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if you don't want to take part in one of those, uh,
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presales that are for paid tiers and, you know, our
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that's what helps keep the lights on here year-round, because
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we've got two places to keep the lights on here
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hiatus from the live shows. He misses you guys. He
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has major FOMO, but it's for good reason. He's playing
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dad times two slash three down there. And he really
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thanks you guys for all the outpouring of love and
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things like that. And we send our love to Derek
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and Nicole. And yeah, we're in the thick of it
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with Cutthroat. Only a few episodes left. Huge episode last week.
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of a detail as we could have gotten into on
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the podcast. I might go a little bit further on
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this one because who cares about me? Who cares about
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audio if there's not some sexy video clip to go
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with it and things like that. And I'm going to
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a way that's not going to get me or anybody
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forefront here. So, okay, we're going to take a little
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break here from some of our sponsors. Come back, I'm
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going to talk a little bit of Traders, a little
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bit of that Traders cast that was just announced for
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early 2027. And then I am going to talk a
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little bit of the UNO scandal, I guess is what
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we're calling it now. The UNO scandal from last week
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that led to three cast members going home on Cutthroat.
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All right, here we go. Yeah, I went on that
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whole spiel, and I think I never really got to
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what I was about to announce, which is on December
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the 12th, we are returning to Texas. Man, that song,
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I think, is still number one. He's choosing Texas, I
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can tell. That one, right? Yeah, so we're choosing Texas
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we did last year, too. So it's becoming a bit
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of a tradition here to hit Texas towards the end
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of the year. We hear you guys in Houston. We
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hear you guys in Austin, San Antonio, all the other
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lovely cities and areas and parts of Texas. But we
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are going to be returning to to the Dallas area,
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specifically Plano, to rock and roll with our friends at
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Mic Drop Comedy Club in Plano. And, look, I know
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guys in other cities. We appreciate you guys. If you
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are willing to hop in the pickup truck and throw the,
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what's her name, Ella Langley, throw the song on and
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listen to it a couple hundred times and drive to
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see us, we would love that. Because, I mean, look,
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I know it's a drive for you guys, a trip
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from you guys. You think that's far, try coming from
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New York. But, no, we're going to try to load
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up the lineup and have a great time with you guys.
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For those of you guys who have been there before,
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absolutely gorgeous. Great stage setup. Great visuals. They have great
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drinks and food and everything like that. It's going to
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be Saturday, December 12th at 12 p.m. So stay tuned
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for news on guests and news on pre-sale and everything
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like that. Going to try to get some guests that
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are confirmed before we officially put it on sale. And
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like I said, at first it will go on sale
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over at challengemaniacs.com, which if you sign up there now,
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you'll at the very least know when that pre-sale date
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part in it and hopefully you do. And that'll, I
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think probably be our last show of the year. Might
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be adding one or two things between now and then,
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I think maybe, but Hey, we're getting down to the
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needy greedy here as Nelson would say. So hope to
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see you guys in Plano, Texas, and that will be
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December 12th and Derek should be back for that one.
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So it's going to be Derek and myself. And then,
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so you guys should be happy to see that and
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hear that he's not on these next few. He's not
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in Philly. He's not in new Orleans. He's not an indie.
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He's not in Nashville. So, That might be the first
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show Derek's back for on December 12th. So that should
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be fun too. So stay tuned for news and guests
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on that. All right, let's pull up this Traders cast.
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This was semi-expected, you know. What I love that the
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Traders do is they own their departure date. I think
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like once they have all these guys locked and loaded
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and in a hotel room in Scotland, they decide to
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leak their own cast or not even leak it, do
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it as this big ceremonial reveal on their social media.
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I will say, I think the timing... On one hand,
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the timing is great because it was like a couple
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of days before they launched their newbie season and maybe just,
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you know, traders in the ether and all the searches
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and things like that. And, you know, they had just
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won the Emmy and stuff. But then I do feel
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like it took a little bit away from this cast
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that they spent, I mean, they spent like two years
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putting together this cast that is now airing on NBC.
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They dropped two episodes last week, I believe. And just
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two episodes in, I watched it. And I'll just say,
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I thought it was great. Great casting so far. Looks great.
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Sounds great. Looks, smells just like the original celebrity-based shows
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that we're used to over on Traders. But they are,
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quote unquote, regular people. That being said, even in a
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couple episodes here, the personalities jump off the screen. I
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think they did a really good job. You can tell
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the work that they put in. And then I'm excited
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to see it play out. Now, just in contrast to that,
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does it sort of put a damper on that a
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little bit that everybody was sort of talking about all
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these people that we know and the Dominic Monaghan's from
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Lost and Lord of the Rings and holy shit, Christian
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Chenoweth is playing and oh my God, Michelle. Yeah, a
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little bit. I think that did take away from the newbies,
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the regular folk that got to premiere last Thursday, and
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there maybe should have been a little bit more of
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a separation there. I think if they could redo it,
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maybe they would do it over. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
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Maybe they think all the excitement about the celebrity cast
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drew people to Peacock, maybe even in confusion. I know
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I saw a lot of confusion in the comments when
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this got announced, and when we were posting it, people
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were like, is this fake? I know that this isn't
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the cast. There's a show dropping on Thursday, and it's
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a bunch of regular people. Um, so there was a
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bit of confusion there, I think. And I think once
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people got past that, they realize, Hey, newbie season, season
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airing on NBC and then going to Peacock, which by
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the way, a lot was made about this airing on NBC.
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I mean, I watched it on my phone when going
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to Phoenix on Friday, not dissimilar to how I would
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watch the regular Peacock version. And so since it does
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have that second life on Peacock, I mean, for us,
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I mean, if you want to just keep watching it
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on Peacock, I mean, the experience is identical. And then
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in addition to that, if anyone's still a streamer, hold
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out and only watches Channel 4 and doesn't watch the Peacock,
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maybe it's introducing traitors to a whole new audience that
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will maybe hop on board. By the way, I'm not
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going to get too much into it because it's a
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lot of traitors all at once, but that Celebrity UK
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cast for this season that I think is going to
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start airing in October, at least on the BBC, I
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don't know when it's going to hit Peacock here, that
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is a crazy cast. That looks like it could be
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the cast of an Oscar-nominated movie about a murder at
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a Scottish castle, like Gosford Park or something. I mean,
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Richard E. Grant is in it. Maya Hala from one
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of my favorite shows, Industry, is in it. Michael Sheen
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is in it. And James Blunt is in it. You're beautiful,
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is in it. So that is just a crazy, and
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that is their quote unquote celebrity version because they also,
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they almost always do a normie person version. Whereas out here,
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it's like Bizarro World. It's like we do quote unquote
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celebrity version and then, you know, are like, we're switching
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it up now and do a normie version. So, but yeah,
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it's funny. I mean, ours is sort of more reality
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centric and I think, you know, the Kristen Chenoweths are
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the minority. Um, and then out there it's like, no,
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they've got like Oscar winning actors and, you know, comedians,
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you know, and things like that. And then reality stars
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are sort of sprinkled in. So, um, I'm looking forward
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to seeing that. Um, I, I really did enjoy the, the,
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the bits I saw of the last celebrity season out there. Um,
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And it's funny because I think we love Alan Cumming
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because of his kind of kitschy accent and tone and
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the element he brings to it. On that show, pretty
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much all of the cast members have that because they're
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all mainly British and kind of have that fun to
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them as well. So looking forward to that. But we're
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not going to talk too much about that, and I'm
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not going to talk too much about the normie version, which,
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by the way, Traitor Maniacs, what are we calling that?
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Are we calling it normie version? Are we calling it
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gen pop traitors? What are we calling it? Let me
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know so I can just shorthand refer to it. And
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Lindsay and I believe should be back with Survivor Mania.
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And that's the awkward thing here is like, do we
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do Trader Mania as well? Are we going to do
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the normie version on Trader Mania? Do we kind of
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tack it onto our Survivor Mania episodes? If I'm being transparent,
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she and I haven't figured that out yet. So Survivor
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premieres tomorrow. Still a few of you guys have to
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get your picks in, by the way, over at challengemaniacs.com.
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That draft is getting down to the needy greedy. Get
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them in, please. All that money we raised helped us
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get over $ 8, 000 already that we have raised for charity
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for the Sojourn Project by way of Celebrity Weekend. So
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very proud to be at the top of that donor
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list and fundraising list over there. Shouts to Omar and everybody.
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at Celebrity Weekend. You can Google Celebrity Weekend Orlando for
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more information on that. It's a great event coming this December,
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I should say, first week of December. But yeah, over $ 8, 000
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we have raised from you guys contributing individually. And then
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also when we do our Survivor Draft and our Season
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42 Draft and things like that, we put all that
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money to that. So that, that is, that is how
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we have raised over $ 8, 000. So very proud of all
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you guys who have done that. And if you want,
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if you're hearing this and you're saying, wow, that sounds
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like a great cause. And it is a great cause. Uh, one,
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I actually thought a lot about last week. Uh, you
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can read up on the Sojourn Project online to hear
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a little bit more, but, um, you know, it's, it's
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about educating people about, you know, diversity and things like that. And, um,
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they do a lot of work in inner cities and the, uh,
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you know, educational system and things. And, obviously with everything
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that went down on the challenge last week and how
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we were talking about it in the scheme of reality
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TV and getting kicked off and things like that. And
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what you can't say playing Uno. I think obviously the
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Sojourn Project is doing a lot more serious and worthwhile
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work that is in a similar orbit to everything we've
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been kind of talking about. So head over to shotofjager.com, S-H-O-T-O-F-Y-A-G-E-R.com.
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It'll just hyperlink you right over to my fundraising page.
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And you can read a little bit about the Sojourn
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Project over there. And then you can feel free to
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Google them directly or you can Google Celebrity Weekend for
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a lot of great info on them and the event.
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So it's a lot of fun if you haven't been
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to it, especially if you live anywhere in the Florida area.
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And you can even come out just for the day
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or for the night or things like that. But the
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real fun, I think, if you stay there the whole time,
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it really is like a reality TV summer camp. So
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looking forward to that. All right. Let's go through this TraderCast.
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Here we go. By the way, Survivor. Don't hit me
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with any spoilers tomorrow night. I'm probably going to have
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to watch it on a delay. I know it sucks.
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I'm going to see Turnstile, which I'm very excited about.
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Shouts to Turnstile. They're playing here at Forest Hills. Clips
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is opening. But yeah, Turnstile. For those of you guys
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who are rock fans who think rock and roll is dead,
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Turnstile in their own way have really taken off in
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the last few years. I saw them. I think they
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opened for Blink-182 on that first comeback tour, but I
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wasn't so familiar with them. When I went to that tour,
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we were kind of in a box and we were talking.
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It was kind of background music, but now tomorrow, getting
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to see them live in their element headlining show that
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I'm sure will be sold out or close to it.
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So that is where I will be while Survivor's airing.
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So no spoilers if you can avoid them, and I
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will be talking Survivor with Lindsay at some point. All right,
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here we go. I'm going to go through this cast,
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tell you who I do kind of know about, who
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I don't know about, things like that, give thoughts when
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I have them. But first, one more word from our sponsor,
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maybe a second last word from our sponsor. Here we go.
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All right, here we go. Traders cast. Gonna guess this
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is gonna air in January or so after the winter break.
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They'll probably drop a few episodes on the first day,
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then maybe a couple week two, and then, you know,
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round it out with episodes weekly. Love that. I love
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that viewing schedule. I love that Traders just kind of
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owns the conversation a couple times a year when they
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drop the cast like they did here, and then, of course,
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for that, you know, eight to ten weeks that it's
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on TV, and then they kind of go away for
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the rest of the year and let everybody, uh, have
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their time in the sun, which makes sense because that's
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what they're doing. They're pulling people from other shows. So
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why not let those people have their time in the
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sun so that when you shine your light on them
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and say, look who we have found, man, they are
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a sunny bunch. Here we go. Bianca Del Rio from
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RuPaul's Drag Race. It does seem like the drag queens,
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is that what we call them? The drag queens have
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like one spot on every season. All I know is
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apparently everyone very excited about Bianca Del Rio. I know
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Cara was as well. talking to her this past weekend.
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So yeah, I have high hopes. I think that the
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drag race contestants on this show, obviously like Bob the
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Drag Queen, I think had some great moments. Monet had
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some great moments. And then we saw what happened with Peppermint.
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She had to go home pretty early. There was the
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Trishel thing. But I kind of like that they have
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this spot reserved for one of them. And I will
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say I'm a novice. I've never watched the show. I
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hear great things about the show. But I do love
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the place that they have gotten reserved for them, it seems.
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in this trader's world as well. Bowman Martinez, read a
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content creator. Okay. I know nothing about Bowman, uh, but
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I'll say content creator. Don't scoff at it. Don't laugh
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at it. That's, you know, these are some of the
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most famous relevant people to young people today, regardless of
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whether we still watch that magic box in our room
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known as a television Bronwyn Newport from real housewives of
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salt Lake city. Uh, as you know, not a housewives guy, uh,
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traders is sort of my gateway to the housewives. So
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I look forward to formally meeting Bronwyn. She has been
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on my radar. And when I say radar, I mean
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it in the most, most minute way, because of course
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we named our daughter, Winnie is actually named Bronwyn. Her
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name is Bronwyn, B-R-O-N-W-Y-N, spelled the exact same way. And
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when we were kind of going through who had that name,
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Bronwyn Newport was at the top of the list. So
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shouts to her. Hopefully she'll be good on the show
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and she'll have a lengthy time in the castle. Casey Wilson,
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who's an actress. The name didn't jump off the page
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of me, which is surprising because I know a lot
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of actresses, but when I heard that she is from
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I believe Happy Endings, which I never really watched. And
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I looked a little closer at her. I do recognize her.
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So I'm looking forward to seeing how she does because
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I hear she is a massive reality fan who even
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podcasts about reality TV. Chloe Kim, the latest Olympian. Obviously,
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we have the figure skaters last season. We have Chloe Kim,
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the snowboarder. That should be cool. Cody Simpson, the singer.
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I have to be honest. I'm not familiar. Craig Conover
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from Southern Charm. The only thing I know about Southern
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Charm is Maddie Lynn Breaux. Um, so, um, you know,
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I'll reserve judgment. I, I trust the traders casting department,
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the people that I don't know, uh, it is not
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because they're not great. It's because I just don't watch.
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I can't watch all these shows. They do such a
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good job. You know, your Rob Roush is the perfect
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example of sifting through the love islands and the Southern
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charms and the housewives and finding people who would be
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great for reality competition shows. as well as the shows
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they came from. So excited for Craig. Cynthia Bailey, Real
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Housewives of Atlanta. That name rings a bell. I believe
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she's done some other reality TV and has become a
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bit of a professional in that regard as well. So
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I think, you know, makes sense as a casting choice here.
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Dominic Monaghan. I believe that's how you pronounce it. Monaghan Monaghan.
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You would know him as one of the Hobbits from
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Lord of the Rings or Not Penny's Boat guy from Lost.
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So that should be pretty cool. And again, he has
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that accent that I think will sound magical in a castle.
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and saying stuff like murder and, and traitor and betrayal
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and things like that. Um, I wonder if he's actually
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worked with Alan coming before in a movie. Wouldn't be surprised. Uh,
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Amira Dispan, uh, from next gen NYC unfamiliar. Just going
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to say that unfamiliar. Don't really know, but again, uh,
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it doesn't mean anything. Giselle Bryant, real housewives of Potomac. Um,
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some of these real housewives seasons and locations, real housewives
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of Potomac, real housewives of Salt Lake city at one
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point to me would have sounded like a joke, uh, uh,
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because it would have been like, well, what are they
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going to, how are they going to do this for
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so long? They're going to be doing Real Housewives of
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Potomac or Salt Lake City, you know, which sound like
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places that, you know, there wouldn't be any fun and
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stuff like that. But no, these are, I hear some
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of the people's favorite seasons of the show. So, uh,
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high hopes for Giselle there. Uh, Ian Sterling for a
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comedian slash, uh, from Love Island. I believe that is the, uh,
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is the, the narrator from Love Island. Again, I do
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not watch Love Island, but I know people who do
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are very excited for, uh, Ian Jag Baines from big brother,
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big brother champion, I believe as well as amazing race.
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I think he won both of them. So this is
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a cast member. I've heard people questioned. Why would you
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go Jag? So many great options from those worlds. I
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think maybe having won both of those is maybe what
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got him on the show. I know he's a very
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nice guy. I think he was at a celebrity weekend
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last year. Our paths crossed briefly. Uh, seems like a
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very sweet guy. I think he'll be fun on the show. Uh,
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Jaina Craig, Janae Craig, apologies for any misspellings here or mispronunciations.
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Love Island. Hey, Love Island. They have been fun on
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this show to say the least. Joey Graziade from The Bachelor.
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I've been out on The Bachelor for what feels like
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a decade now, but hey, who knows? You know, the
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last name sounds like he could be fun. I'll say that.
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Johnny Sibilli, the actor, not familiar, but you know, actors,
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I think that they do choose to be on this show.
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whether it's them getting chosen or them choosing to be
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on the show. Usually they have some interest getting into it.
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They know what they're getting into, which helps. This one
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is shocking, surprising, and also kind of awesome. Kristen Chenoweth,
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huge Broadway actress who has done some film and television,
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but mainly known as being like one of the stars
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of Wicked. She had a show this year that was
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not very well reviewed. Maybe that's why she pivoted and
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did this. Maybe she planned on being on stage for
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September and October, and now she had some time free up,
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but Um, she is iconic. Uh, she fits in well
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with this demo, obviously, you know, wicked and Broadway huge
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with the gays as is, uh, as is this show traders. Um,
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and not just the gays women, you know, everybody, you know,
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who doesn't like Kristen Chenoweth. Um, so I, I think
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she's an awesome choice here, uh, and will help elevate
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the show and, and, and put it on a platform that, uh,
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you know, as if the show could get any bigger,
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it just runs away with the Emmys every year. It
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seems like it's on this pedestal that few reality shows
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ever get to. And I think she just adds to that.
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Here we go. This is where the list really gets fun.
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Michelle Fitzgerald, Survivor and The Challenge, both of course listed.
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She is, I think, so perfect for this show. She
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will be so great on the show. She also, I believe,
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sadly does have, depending on how she gets situated, whether
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as a faithful or as a traitor, she could, if
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the wrong person gets in the turret, get targeted early
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by a trader. It's very possible because she is a gamer.
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She has a great social game. She has never been
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voted out of Survivor, and she played on two very
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tough seasons. And then, of course, as little as the
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physical is a part of this show, she is certainly
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well-equipped for that stuff based on her time on Survivor
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and the challenge. So I think this is a great choice.
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I had no idea. It's so funny. It's like, um,
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Lindsay had started asking me like, Hey, have you heard
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any rumors of people? And I haven't. And I said
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to her, I go, but to be honest with you,
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people do not tell their friends or, you know, casual
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friends or acquaintances or business partners or anything like that.
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When they are going on a show like this, um, they, uh,
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they keep it very close to the vest. Part of
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it is, is I think they know that like, Hey,
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the show's going to announce it. Uh, so all I've
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got to do is, you know, wait the, you know,
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three weeks and not blow, blow, blow the whatever. Um,
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and they'll find out, you know, great. It's not, you know, and, uh,
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it's not like these shows where they go film them.
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They got to sit there for six months before the
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cast announcement comes out. But no, I had no idea
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about Michelle. Uh, she just filmed a home turf a
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couple of weeks ago and we text pretty frequently. I
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had no idea. Um, yeah, same goes for Rachel. I'll
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go to Rachel right now. Rachel, the challenge. This was
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a huge surprise to me. We haven't seen a challenger
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who started on Real World or Road Rules since Trishel
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and CT and Johnny and Wes. Sorry, I'm wrong. And Wes.
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We haven't seen since Wes. We got that whole season
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last year where, of course, we had Tiffany and Natalie,
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but let's be honest, they were big brother and survivor.
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As much as Michelle has become a quintessential part of
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our challenge world, if Michelle was the only challenge representation here,
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you would get the same, but she's there for survivor
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that you got with those ladies and rightfully so. Michelle
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is a survivor queen, um, and a challenge runner up
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for sure. But Rachel is the challenge. Rachel is the
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season 40 champ. She is a, you know, a LGBTQ
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icon who made her way on road rules and the challenge.
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And she was a former mean girl turned mom of three.
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She's great. Uh, and so I'm actually surprised that they went, uh, and, uh,
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decided to go with Rachel. I've heard some people saying, oh,
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we wanted Veronica. We deserve Veronica. And yeah, Veronica would
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have been fun too. But you got to remember, it's
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sort of a what have you done for me lately world.
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And the fact that Rachel, I think, comes from that
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00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.089
Veronica generation, but also won a recent season, maybe elevated her,
696
00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:35.670
put her at the top of the list. And not
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00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:38.650
for nothing, but a big part of the trader's journey
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is your, what's the word, your interaction, your social media engagement.
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And Rachel's out there at 5 a.m., given Barry bootcamp
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classes live on Instagram and Veronica is kind of a
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social media ghost. So I think Rachel's a great choice.
702
00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:55.619
And I think she could definitely surprise some people on
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00:31:55.660 --> 00:31:58.640
this season. Uh, Q Burdett. Okay. We just saw Q
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on survivor 50. If you've listened to survivor mania, you know,
705
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I'm not the biggest Q fan as a, and look,
706
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.829
he's hilarious. Okay. He's just not like top of ever
707
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.160
my dream casting list. And he wouldn't have been for this,
708
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.029
but Hey, I, he, he often surprises me. I know
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00:32:13.049 --> 00:32:14.890
a lot of you guys love him. I'm excited to
710
00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:16.980
see what he does here. And, part of what he
711
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.460
does on survivor and why he keeps getting cast is like,
712
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.099
you never know what this guy's going to do. He
713
00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:23.799
can blow up any room, any, any game, any, any
714
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.599
piece of strategy. And certainly I think he could probably
715
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.180
blow up any round table if he wanted to. So he,
716
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I almost am certain will be a faithful and one
717
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.049
who should be loud and proud and we will see
718
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how it goes, but that's what I would bet on.
719
00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:40.849
All right. Rashad Jennings, NFL star star in quotes. I
720
00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:42.589
kind of remember him as being a backup running back,
721
00:32:42.609 --> 00:32:44.490
but I hear he's done a lot of reality TV since.
722
00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:46.680
I guess he went on to win Dancing with the Stars.
723
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.960
Had no idea, but shouts to him. And I think
724
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this could be a good show for him. I see
725
00:32:51.259 --> 00:32:53.220
him as being kind of a faithful who's well-liked and
726
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.049
makes it pretty far in the show. Taylor Hale. Here
727
00:32:57.069 --> 00:32:59.329
we go. So Taylor Hale, fresh off of hosting the
728
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Big Brother After Show that I think she had to
729
00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:03.809
sit out from last week because she went to go
730
00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:06.680
fly to Scotland. Rob's sister Nino got to fill in.
731
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Taylor is great. She jumps off the screen, movie star,
732
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.859
good looks, just TV host charisma, one big brother. Um,
733
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:16.839
and I think this is going to be a huge
734
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.589
show in season for her. I do see her having
735
00:33:19.630 --> 00:33:22.109
the same Michelle problem that depending on who has the power,
736
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whether it's someone who wants to, um, attack her in the, uh,
737
00:33:25.849 --> 00:33:29.809
at the, uh, round table or whether someone targets her early,
738
00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:31.599
if you know, you get the wrong traders in there,
739
00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:33.759
that's like sort of in the cards, but if not,
740
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:36.680
she could be a real breakthrough star from this season.
741
00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:38.319
And I know she's already a big breakthrough star in
742
00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:39.940
our world, but she's someone who could get a lot
743
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.200
of offers and roles and deals and stuff coming off
744
00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:44.509
of this season. Similar to like a Rob Roush. from
745
00:33:44.549 --> 00:33:46.269
last season, who's now, you know, it's night and day,
746
00:33:46.289 --> 00:33:49.380
the guy, last year, and then this year, and then look,
747
00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:51.720
I know Taylor Hale is hosting a show on CBS,
748
00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:54.039
it's kind of a different world, fine, but I do
749
00:33:54.259 --> 00:33:57.180
still think there's another gear she can get to. Whitney
750
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.440
Levitt's Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, again, sounds like a
751
00:34:00.460 --> 00:34:02.920
fake show, but here we are in 2026, I know
752
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.460
it's very popular, and I'm excited to see how she does.
753
00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:10.460
This cast is very interesting, very fun, um, very young,
754
00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:12.639
you know, obviously Kristen Chenoweth probably getting up there a
755
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:13.900
little bit. And, you know, maybe some of the names
756
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.519
I don't know are, but, um, I, you know, I
757
00:34:16.539 --> 00:34:18.579
know in recent seasons, they've had some like, you know,
758
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.119
older folks, you know, they had the guy who was
759
00:34:21.139 --> 00:34:23.559
like part of British royalty and things like that. And, and,
760
00:34:23.659 --> 00:34:25.260
and I think they may be scooted a little younger
761
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.699
with this one. I don't have the numbers in front
762
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.019
of me, but it'd be interesting to see if that's
763
00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:31.400
the case. That's just my first, uh, first glance. All right.
764
00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:32.960
Going to take a break, going to come back and
765
00:34:32.980 --> 00:34:35.199
going to discuss, uh, you know, the elephant in the room,
766
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:37.019
what everybody has had on their mind for the last
767
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.090
week and everything. And And now I do have the
768
00:34:39.139 --> 00:34:41.010
luxury of being able to talk about some of the
769
00:34:41.050 --> 00:34:43.969
things that people have said. So rather than it being
770
00:34:44.030 --> 00:34:46.449
me saying this, I can just read Nelson's tweets and
771
00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:47.710
things like that. So that's what we're going to do
772
00:34:47.730 --> 00:34:49.670
in the final segment here. We're going to talk about
773
00:34:49.710 --> 00:34:52.389
the UNO scandal, why we lost three cast members last week,
774
00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:54.909
and the fallout that we've had a week since. Here
775
00:34:54.929 --> 00:35:04.880
we go. All right, here we are, last segment on
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00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.139
Challenge Accepted. I'm going to talk about last week's episode
777
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.550
where it opened up, finding out Nelson Thomas, Leo Dionichio,
778
00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:16.130
Josh Goldstein violated the code of conduct and that they
779
00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:18.130
were gone. And that's all we got from the show.
780
00:35:18.789 --> 00:35:21.050
And look, is that ever going to be enough for
781
00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:23.409
a viewership of a show? Look, I said it on
782
00:35:23.429 --> 00:35:26.369
the show last week. I compared it to watching a
783
00:35:26.389 --> 00:35:32.690
TV show where if you were watching a you know,
784
00:35:32.849 --> 00:35:35.670
series like, you know, boy meets world. And one week
785
00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:37.829
you tuned in and it was just, sorry, you know,
786
00:35:37.889 --> 00:35:40.409
Sean Hunter and Eric Matthews violated the code of conduct.
787
00:35:40.429 --> 00:35:42.230
They're not going to be here. That wouldn't be enough
788
00:35:42.250 --> 00:35:44.639
for you. You'd start Googling like what did writer strong
789
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.760
do to get fired or whatever. Um, and you know,
790
00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:50.559
more news and information has come out. Uh, Nelson, I
791
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.280
don't believe he's done any interviews on the record. He
792
00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:54.420
has put out some tweets. I'm going to read you guys. Uh,
793
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Leo did a few, uh, interviews. I know he did
794
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one with Johnny and he did one with Zach and Pierre. Um,
795
00:36:00.989 --> 00:36:03.429
we did our interview with Leo in Detroit a few
796
00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:06.750
weeks ago. Um, and so, you know, we'll probably talk
797
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to him at some point in the future and we
798
00:36:08.650 --> 00:36:10.829
will have Leo live on stage with us on Saturday.
799
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So I'll probably, uh, curate, uh, you know, with him beforehand,
800
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how much he's comfortable saying, and I might, you know,
801
00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:18.920
bring some of that to the stage in Philly and, uh,
802
00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:22.110
maybe that ends up on a podcast, but clearly the
803
00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:25.489
decision has been made here for, uh, all the parties
804
00:36:25.550 --> 00:36:29.289
involved to not get too specific about what happened. And
805
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that's their choice. And whether that's right or wrong, we
806
00:36:32.590 --> 00:36:35.320
can kind of litigate, you know, to death if we want.
807
00:36:36.739 --> 00:36:39.179
But if that's what they want, it's not going to
808
00:36:39.260 --> 00:36:43.159
serve anybody by being the whistleblower who goes on record saying,
809
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.329
this is what happened and blah, blah, blah. And I,
810
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you know, when, when I look around and I don't
811
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.659
see many people doing that, I certainly don't want to
812
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.139
be the person who does that, right? Because I know, look,
813
00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:55.320
there's people out there who want answers, who want things
814
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on the record. And, you know, I don't want to
815
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be the clip that gets circulated that clarifies exactly what happened.
816
00:37:00.579 --> 00:37:03.570
And let's be honest, I wasn't there. So although I've
817
00:37:03.610 --> 00:37:05.750
talked to, you know, at this point, a half a dozen,
818
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if not more people who were there in some capacity,
819
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people who were sitting there when the things were said,
820
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people that were upstairs when the things started breaking and
821
00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:18.019
came downstairs. And I've certainly had personal discussions with on
822
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.139
and off the record about what went down and feel
823
00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:22.550
like I have a pretty good grasp on it, but
824
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.670
for whatever reason, they're, they're not putting it out there.
825
00:37:26.070 --> 00:37:28.110
You know, they're putting, not putting a statement out there.
826
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They definitely didn't put it in the episode. And, uh, most,
827
00:37:33.230 --> 00:37:35.659
most parties involved have been pretty vague when discussing it.
828
00:37:35.750 --> 00:37:38.409
And Josh Goldstein has not discussed it at all. So, um,
829
00:37:39.309 --> 00:37:42.389
clearly he's been advised that that is best for him. Uh,
830
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whether it's by them or people in his world or
831
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orbit or friends or counsel or whatever it is, it's,
832
00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:51.739
it's the way that he's decided to deal with it. Um,
833
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.619
I look, it's tough for me to say, because, you know,
834
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.159
I'm kind of my own thing over here. You know,
835
00:37:59.380 --> 00:38:03.119
I don't have to answer to corporate or HR, or
836
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:06.289
I don't have to, I don't really have the risk of, um,
837
00:38:06.510 --> 00:38:10.050
getting my life or career shut down in one fell swoop, um,
838
00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:13.539
So maybe it's easier for me to say this, but
839
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I always think it's best when something's out there in
840
00:38:16.179 --> 00:38:19.079
the ether to just get at least something out there
841
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.079
that lets people know you're aware of what's wrong with
842
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.619
what happened. And hopefully if it's the case that you
843
00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:30.440
are regretful, remorseful and apologize, maybe clarify what you learned
844
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:35.019
from the circumstance. And I tend to like not necessarily
845
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.539
ever get what good comes from the silence because I
846
00:38:38.789 --> 00:38:41.789
I get that in like, you know, 1992, that, you know,
847
00:38:41.849 --> 00:38:43.309
if you didn't go out of your way to comment
848
00:38:43.369 --> 00:38:45.429
on something, then after a while, the papers are gone
849
00:38:45.469 --> 00:38:47.409
and there it is. See, it's gone from the ether.
850
00:38:47.429 --> 00:38:49.730
You don't have it ever. It's all gone. It's forgotten.
851
00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:52.210
You know, and a decade later, nobody knows what happened,
852
00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:54.389
you know, and certainly that is the case. I mean,
853
00:38:54.409 --> 00:38:57.369
like I, you know, people today are like still finding
854
00:38:57.449 --> 00:38:59.730
out things that like, you know, rock stars did in
855
00:38:59.769 --> 00:39:02.909
the 70s because it was written in a book that
856
00:39:03.010 --> 00:39:06.030
now is like, you know, coming back into fruition. You know,
857
00:39:06.050 --> 00:39:08.840
I get it. But the way stuff works today is
858
00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:12.880
that like social media and, you know, search engine optimization
859
00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:15.780
and AI and Google and stuff, it just, you know,
860
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.110
whether you went on the record talking about something or not,
861
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.389
it will just grab the 10 people that did talk
862
00:39:20.429 --> 00:39:24.389
about it and like create a like aggregate this happened thing.
863
00:39:25.289 --> 00:39:29.170
So like, I get that, you know, whatever you say
864
00:39:29.230 --> 00:39:31.460
will be held against you, but also we'll create an
865
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article and a clickbait thing and a headline and it
866
00:39:34.340 --> 00:39:36.960
just adds to it. But it certainly doesn't make sure
867
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000
that by not doing that, it doesn't make sure that
868
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.949
nothing exists, you know, like, you know, if you Google
869
00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:44.210
it right now, what happened? Google will tell you, but
870
00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:47.130
it'll tell you based on like what Alan Aguirre said
871
00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:49.309
or like what, uh, you know, reading through the tea
872
00:39:49.349 --> 00:39:52.050
leaves or what, you know, Vevmo said and things like that.
873
00:39:52.110 --> 00:39:55.510
And so that stuff's going to be there anyway. And
874
00:39:56.010 --> 00:39:58.670
if your life is going to, you know, constantly have
875
00:39:58.750 --> 00:40:01.639
crossroads where you think people might care about it and
876
00:40:01.659 --> 00:40:06.179
maybe withhold opportunities from you and whatnot, that stuff will
877
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.519
probably get in the way regardless, you know? And is
878
00:40:09.579 --> 00:40:12.519
it possible that like, if it also comes with you
879
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:15.690
addressing it in a way that's respectful or remorseful, shows
880
00:40:15.710 --> 00:40:17.909
that you've learned from it or clarifies where you were
881
00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:21.179
coming from, if anywhere, you know, because, you know, that's
882
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.219
what I'll get to is another thing that I think
883
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.260
we're deprived of when we don't get to see something
884
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.579
play out is like, we don't even really get to
885
00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:31.260
fully decide how we feel about it because we don't
886
00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:33.730
get to see in what way it was said or
887
00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:36.429
what way it transpired. And it all kind of becomes hearsay.
888
00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:38.769
And you get some people who assume it was the
889
00:40:38.829 --> 00:40:41.329
most lighthearted way of, you know, using the word or
890
00:40:41.389 --> 00:40:44.219
saying whatever. And then you get some people who assume
891
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.380
it was the worst and most malicious and racist way.
892
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.159
And then there's just, you know, it varies from person
893
00:40:49.179 --> 00:40:51.219
to person, whether you think there is a least or
894
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.300
most racist way. Like there's some people who just think
895
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:56.579
certain things, certain terms, certain words, even when said casually
896
00:40:56.739 --> 00:40:59.800
or in, you know, one person's eyes, fun or joking
897
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.420
manner is the utmost form of racism regardless. And I'm
898
00:41:03.739 --> 00:41:07.000
certainly not my place to decide that for people. But
899
00:41:07.059 --> 00:41:10.050
I do think a lot of us, and I must
900
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.349
state this, my white privilege here in saying this, I
901
00:41:12.369 --> 00:41:15.190
think a lot of people, myself certainly included, think there
902
00:41:15.230 --> 00:41:17.590
is a bit of a sliding scale when it comes
903
00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:22.269
to certain verbal violations, right? And I think it, I
904
00:41:22.289 --> 00:41:24.349
don't speak for everyone, but I speak for some people
905
00:41:24.409 --> 00:41:27.309
when certainly I do need to and often want to
906
00:41:27.369 --> 00:41:30.670
know the context in which someone was quote unquote caught
907
00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:34.599
saying something, right? And that obviously in the scheme of
908
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.699
things can be a racial slur like it is here,
909
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.960
or it could be like making a claim that you're
910
00:41:38.980 --> 00:41:41.960
going to do something violent or something like that. I
911
00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:43.599
kind of need to know, like, are you, you know,
912
00:41:43.659 --> 00:41:45.889
in the midst of a standup bit, whether your own
913
00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:49.250
or quoting someone, or are you, you know, trying to
914
00:41:49.289 --> 00:41:51.510
be funny and you're just ignorant and you don't realize
915
00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:55.130
that some words are best left out or whatnot. Or
916
00:41:55.289 --> 00:41:57.000
are you, you know, saying it in the midst of a,
917
00:41:57.030 --> 00:42:00.230
like a brutally hurtful and racist and hateful rant. And
918
00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:03.699
I will say that I think what has, you know,
919
00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:07.449
gotten to me through firsthand, secondhand accounts is that It
920
00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.070
certainly was not the latter, right? It certainly wasn't somebody
921
00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:17.420
who was saying it in the worst possible way. And
922
00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:23.780
does someone deserve that clarity and clarification? It's hard to
923
00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:27.039
say if they deserve any sympathy at all because it's
924
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.219
hard to know how they feel about it, right? So
925
00:42:30.739 --> 00:42:33.460
by depriving us of that and any commentary from his
926
00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:35.719
side of things, I think people, that's why they err
927
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.269
on the side of, you know, banishment or cancellation or
928
00:42:39.349 --> 00:42:42.769
screw this guy or how could you, you know? And
929
00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:44.989
I think there's a version of this that could have
930
00:42:45.010 --> 00:42:46.909
been and can be a teachable moment for like a
931
00:42:46.929 --> 00:42:50.639
lot of people, right? Because, you know, again, I'm not
932
00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:52.579
going to say this in a like, in a way
933
00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:54.179
where you're going to be able to clip this and
934
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.139
put it everywhere because I'm going to be so vague
935
00:42:56.179 --> 00:42:57.500
that you're going to be like, well, this is worthless.
936
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.300
You didn't tell us anything. But let's say he said
937
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.969
something that 99 out of 100 people know you shouldn't say, right?
938
00:43:05.349 --> 00:43:07.969
You certainly shouldn't say it. We shouldn't say it ever,
939
00:43:08.010 --> 00:43:10.849
but you shouldn't say it on camera. You shouldn't say
940
00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:14.639
it to someone directly of a certain race or ilk
941
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:20.300
or background. And if you do, right, you probably should
942
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.210
instantly know that you messed up. Now, I would assume,
943
00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:26.090
like I said, 99 out of 100 people would know this,
944
00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:28.360
but clearly that's not the case. because we had a
945
00:43:28.389 --> 00:43:30.570
guy who seems like a pretty smart guy. We just
946
00:43:30.610 --> 00:43:32.309
watched him for eight episodes on the show. He seems
947
00:43:32.329 --> 00:43:33.829
like he knows what he's doing. He seems like he's
948
00:43:33.849 --> 00:43:35.750
been around the block. He's been on reality TV for
949
00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:38.630
a couple of years. I would imagine he knows what
950
00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:41.380
you can't say, even when you're alone in your car
951
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.440
or on social media. But to not know what not
952
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.860
to say while you're being filmed or recorded, at least
953
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in some capacity, and with present company included where I mean,
954
00:43:51.730 --> 00:43:54.070
you said it to and around a guy who looks
955
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:56.110
like he doesn't even like you very much. Like we
956
00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:59.289
just saw him try to stage a mutiny a week
957
00:43:59.309 --> 00:44:00.969
or two before in our life. So for you, it
958
00:44:00.989 --> 00:44:03.250
was probably a couple of days before. And you said
959
00:44:03.289 --> 00:44:05.789
it to that guy? Like you gave him that ammunition?
960
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You gave, like, really? Like, it's not even like you
961
00:44:08.590 --> 00:44:10.650
said it to your buddy that you've known for 30 years.
962
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You said it to a guy who seems like he
963
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doesn't really like you that much. So here we are
964
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in 2026. And you have a, I'm going to use
965
00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:21.079
the word smart in quotes, but like what seems like
966
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.510
a pretty smart put together guy making the like most
967
00:44:25.550 --> 00:44:28.690
crucial cardinal mistake you can make in life, right? Like
968
00:44:28.750 --> 00:44:31.190
these things follow you through life. They stop you from
969
00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:34.230
getting jobs, certainly from callbacks, from getting cast, things like that.
970
00:44:34.750 --> 00:44:37.150
And it becomes like, you know, sentence four, if not five,
971
00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:38.889
if not one or two on your Wikipedia for the
972
00:44:38.949 --> 00:44:40.610
rest of your life that you like said that word.
973
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.840
And all of this is to say that that guy
974
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.920
made that mistake, you know? So clearly there's still people
975
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who are naive enough or ignorant enough to not know that.
976
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And it's possible that he just doesn't care. But I
977
00:44:53.590 --> 00:44:55.489
don't think that's the case. I think it's ignorance. I
978
00:44:55.510 --> 00:45:00.329
think it's stupidity. And I think he'll probably never make
979
00:45:00.349 --> 00:45:02.760
the same mistake again. But if this guy made it
980
00:45:03.579 --> 00:45:06.119
on a version of national television, or at least while
981
00:45:06.139 --> 00:45:10.239
there were cameras around, even on an off day, there's certainly...
982
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.800
thousands and thousands of other white kids who could make
983
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.690
this boneheaded mistake out of ignorance or stupidity and, you know,
984
00:45:17.010 --> 00:45:20.250
letting them know safely from afar by finding out about this. Oh,
985
00:45:20.429 --> 00:45:22.030
I guess that is the case. I guess I shouldn't
986
00:45:22.070 --> 00:45:29.500
say that. I guess my friends at home who let
987
00:45:29.539 --> 00:45:31.300
me say that are wrong to do so. And they've
988
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:35.500
been misinforming me by allowing me the courtesy of being
989
00:45:35.539 --> 00:45:38.190
able to say it. And so And I'm only saying
990
00:45:38.230 --> 00:45:40.190
that because I've heard through the grapevine. That was kind
991
00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:42.590
of the explanation giving my friends at home. Let me
992
00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:45.550
say it. So either way, I think that's what we're
993
00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:47.699
deprived of. I think that's what he's deprived of. And
994
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.380
I think that's what a lot of people are deprived of.
995
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.559
Whereas I do think these shows provided a learning element
996
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.860
and an educational element of, you know, what not to
997
00:45:54.940 --> 00:45:58.380
do in life, you know, in the workplace, certainly in
998
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.489
public or on camera. And so that gets, that gets lost. Um,
999
00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:06.289
I'm going to read Nelson's stuff here. Um, all right.
1000
00:46:06.829 --> 00:46:11.739
So Um, this is what Nelson tweeted. I let my
1001
00:46:11.780 --> 00:46:14.840
emotions take over, broke dishes, destroyed a kitchen and violated
1002
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.219
the code of conduct. That's on me. I'm learning and growing,
1003
00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:19.440
and I'm grateful that the challenge family sees the good
1004
00:46:19.460 --> 00:46:23.079
and the bad. I received his DM apology and I'm
1005
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.039
giving him space to take ownership publicly. The fans and
1006
00:46:26.059 --> 00:46:28.760
challenge family deserve that too. Saying you have black friends
1007
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.500
doesn't give you a pass to use the N word.
1008
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.340
This goes beyond TV. We need accountability, understanding, and growth.
1009
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.159
So that's me reading his tweets. Okay. So While they
1010
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.119
didn't show it on the show, according to Nelson's tweets,
1011
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.809
that's what happened. He said it. Nelson clearly was put
1012
00:46:43.869 --> 00:46:46.269
off by it, rightfully so, and decided to break some
1013
00:46:46.309 --> 00:46:49.369
dishes in the kitchen. I've heard from people that were
1014
00:46:49.409 --> 00:46:52.750
not around at the table playing that they became aware
1015
00:46:52.769 --> 00:46:54.489
of this when they started hearing the dishes and the
1016
00:46:54.530 --> 00:46:56.789
crashing and the stuff being broke and stuff. And then
1017
00:46:56.829 --> 00:46:58.550
it was a bit of a scene. And I've heard
1018
00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:01.019
a lot of people say, Nelson should have just gotten
1019
00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:03.880
fined and not kicked off. And again, it's kind of
1020
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.780
hard to wrap your head around that when we don't
1021
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.690
see whole picture here. There's some people who would say,
1022
00:47:09.710 --> 00:47:12.010
if somebody says that word to you, you can go
1023
00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:13.449
ahead and break a bunch of dishes and you should,
1024
00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:15.869
you know, have carte blanche to do so. And that's fine.
1025
00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:19.840
You can say that. But again, like, you know, in
1026
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.380
what capacity, right? Like, you know, he said the word
1027
00:47:22.420 --> 00:47:24.480
to him, clearly said it in a certain way that
1028
00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:27.940
we'll never know. But Nelson decided to react the way
1029
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.179
that he did. And you wonder, you know, is there
1030
00:47:30.219 --> 00:47:32.909
a way he could have stopped before getting to the
1031
00:47:32.929 --> 00:47:34.610
point where he did so much that they decided they
1032
00:47:34.650 --> 00:47:37.119
had to send him home? Um, I'd kind of heard
1033
00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:38.880
that he was, you know, put at a hotel that
1034
00:47:38.900 --> 00:47:41.320
clearly the behavior looked like it wasn't stopping anytime soon.
1035
00:47:41.659 --> 00:47:43.639
You got to worry. First you start breaking stuff in
1036
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.900
the kitchen. Then do you start breaking faces and stuff?
1037
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.340
And that's the thing. It's like, on one hand you
1038
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.380
could say, oh, I decided to, you know, take it
1039
00:47:50.420 --> 00:47:52.500
out on the toaster. That was my way of cathartically
1040
00:47:52.539 --> 00:47:55.079
handling my anger and not going after a person. But
1041
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:56.590
how are they supposed to know that? Right. There's a
1042
00:47:56.590 --> 00:47:58.869
lot of liability here involved. And I did hear that
1043
00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:01.150
this was like the worst possible day for this to happen,
1044
00:48:01.170 --> 00:48:02.909
that there were like big wigs from, you know, the
1045
00:48:02.949 --> 00:48:05.650
parent company and stuff like that there. And, and that's
1046
00:48:05.670 --> 00:48:07.230
another thing that's going to happen. You know, it's like,
1047
00:48:08.710 --> 00:48:11.670
you know, it's like when the end result is, you know,
1048
00:48:11.750 --> 00:48:14.780
that this person broke all this stuff while the big
1049
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.800
wigs were there and he's got to go home. Well,
1050
00:48:16.940 --> 00:48:18.539
then that's when it starts to be, well, then I
1051
00:48:18.579 --> 00:48:20.139
guess this guy and this guy have to go home too.
1052
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.099
And I think from a, from a distance, when you
1053
00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:24.400
hear this story, a lot of people think that the
1054
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.820
worst thing that happened was the word being used. But
1055
00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:29.889
if the word, and I'm saying that it's not bad
1056
00:48:29.909 --> 00:48:33.130
that he used the word, but if the you know, uh,
1057
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.579
and it wasn't really even covered and it was just
1058
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.300
kind of on an off day with a skeleton crew
1059
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:38.880
and maybe they had mics on them, but like, wasn't like,
1060
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.320
like that wasn't the big inciting incident for everyone. If
1061
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.139
the big incident was the reaction and the kitchen stuff,
1062
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:46.960
and that's what put this on the radar of the
1063
00:48:47.059 --> 00:48:49.030
other people in the room and the house and the
1064
00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:53.050
production truck and the, you know, producers of the executives involved,
1065
00:48:53.090 --> 00:48:56.059
like then it kind of trickles down from the top.
1066
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.059
Like this is the thing that we're going to intervene on.
1067
00:48:58.099 --> 00:49:00.400
And yes, we're not okay with this guy saying this word.
1068
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.599
And maybe in a vacuum, he would have gone home
1069
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.539
by himself anyway, if that was brought to our attention
1070
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.659
in a different way. But when it's brought to our
1071
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.829
attention in this way, our hands are kind of tied.
1072
00:49:10.829 --> 00:49:14.030
Like we can't let someone go breaking all the stuff
1073
00:49:14.030 --> 00:49:17.019
in the kitchen, regardless of the of the reason. And,
1074
00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:20.179
and so I think that's another reason, um, you know, we,
1075
00:49:20.380 --> 00:49:22.559
we didn't see much of this is I think visually the,
1076
00:49:22.869 --> 00:49:25.150
the stuff that they had the most of was probably that.
1077
00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:28.750
And like, they probably did that, you know, Obviously, they
1078
00:49:28.769 --> 00:49:30.309
don't want to look like they're only making it about
1079
00:49:30.349 --> 00:49:32.710
the reaction. Obviously, it would have been a disservice to Nelson.
1080
00:49:33.889 --> 00:49:36.199
But yeah, this happened on the worst day for many reasons.
1081
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.800
It happened on the worst day because of who was there,
1082
00:49:38.420 --> 00:49:40.539
how little they were filming. Apparently, they were playing Uno,
1083
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:42.750
which they usually don't even allow them to do. I
1084
00:49:42.789 --> 00:49:44.630
heard that the way these Uno cards kind of got
1085
00:49:44.690 --> 00:49:46.889
smuggled in was that Kara convinced them to get a
1086
00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:48.579
Happy Meal on the way home one day, and the
1087
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:50.539
Uno cards were like the gift in the Happy Meal.
1088
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:53.340
I mean, this is something like you hear about in prison, right? Like, wait,
1089
00:49:53.380 --> 00:49:55.159
how did that guy get that shank? Oh, it was
1090
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.760
the hair tie on the doll that his daughter brought
1091
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:00.179
during Visitation Day. Like, that's how these guys got Uno cards.
1092
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.449
They do not let you bring Uno cards into a
1093
00:50:02.469 --> 00:50:04.489
challenge house. Not because of this, but just because of
1094
00:50:04.530 --> 00:50:07.210
the branding, and they don't want you guys playing games
1095
00:50:07.230 --> 00:50:09.530
and things like that. They want you guys talking strategy
1096
00:50:09.570 --> 00:50:13.590
and whatnot. And so... All of this is to say,
1097
00:50:13.610 --> 00:50:16.570
I think in a roundabout way, we are going to
1098
00:50:16.610 --> 00:50:18.570
talk about this as we have been, as I have been,
1099
00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:20.289
as we will continue to do so, but we're going
1100
00:50:20.309 --> 00:50:22.929
to have to do it in a way where, for
1101
00:50:22.949 --> 00:50:27.530
whatever reason, the show and Josh have decided to not
1102
00:50:27.590 --> 00:50:31.469
fully go on record acknowledging his portion in this, which
1103
00:50:31.889 --> 00:50:34.710
in turn becomes Leo's, and that's a whole separate conversation
1104
00:50:34.730 --> 00:50:37.710
of whether Leo should have gotten caught in the crossfire here.
1105
00:50:37.730 --> 00:50:40.650
I think unanimously the cast members believe he shouldn't have,
1106
00:50:40.710 --> 00:50:42.920
but Um, this is kind of one of those things
1107
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.880
where they just decided to just, you know, press a
1108
00:50:45.900 --> 00:50:49.599
button and they're gone. And, uh, and, uh, it's, you know,
1109
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.460
it's something that should and can be studied and discussed.
1110
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.219
And that's certainly why I think podcasts are here. Uh,
1111
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:56.800
and I wish we could talk about it more. And
1112
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:58.699
I think we've talked about it enough. Hopefully you think
1113
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:00.320
I've talked about it enough today that Derek and I
1114
00:51:00.340 --> 00:51:02.929
talked about it enough last week. Um, but the reason
1115
00:51:02.969 --> 00:51:04.909
we're not, Hey guys, thanks for tuning in. This is
1116
00:51:04.949 --> 00:51:07.889
what happened to what you didn't see is because when
1117
00:51:07.929 --> 00:51:11.829
they have clearly chosen to not have that be the
1118
00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:14.610
information that's out there. Um, we're certainly not going to
1119
00:51:14.630 --> 00:51:16.809
step in and be that source and be that, uh,
1120
00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:19.269
the people to do that because it won't, it, look,
1121
00:51:19.489 --> 00:51:21.210
it won't serve us well, which in turn won't serve
1122
00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:23.289
you well. Cause, uh, first and foremost, we're here to
1123
00:51:23.329 --> 00:51:24.869
put out content for you. We want to keep doing
1124
00:51:24.889 --> 00:51:27.610
that for you guys. So, um, we've got Leo next
1125
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.739
to us, uh, in Philly this Saturday. Hopefully we'll have
1126
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.239
some of you guys there too. And, uh, any more questions,
1127
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.619
feel free to email me, challenge mania podcast at gmail.com.
1128
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:36.849
Hit me up on social media, Uh, I've been reading
1129
00:51:36.889 --> 00:51:38.150
all your thoughts. I think a lot of you guys
1130
00:51:38.170 --> 00:51:39.989
have had really smart and interesting takes on it. And
1131
00:51:40.030 --> 00:51:42.889
certainly I'm getting, uh, my eyes and ears open to different, uh,
1132
00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:45.409
you know, whether it's perspectives or just ways they could
1133
00:51:45.429 --> 00:51:47.170
have handled it and things like that. But I do
1134
00:51:47.230 --> 00:51:48.820
think since a lot of it has not even been
1135
00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:51.539
clarified by them, why they made this decision or that decision,
1136
00:51:52.059 --> 00:51:53.400
a lot of it are kind of like for back,
1137
00:51:53.500 --> 00:51:56.940
lack of a better term above our pay grades, mine included. So, um,
1138
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.980
thank you guys. Uh, hopefully, you know, we have a
1139
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:00.960
few more episodes here of the show cutthroat. Hopefully they
1140
00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:03.280
get it together. We still have a viable, uh, champion
1141
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.510
or champions at our disposal once we have 42 behind us.
1142
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.619
And this will sort of still probably be a dark
1143
00:52:09.659 --> 00:52:11.239
cloud or an asterisk on the season, if I had
1144
00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:13.039
to guess, right? No matter what. No matter what happens
1145
00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:15.019
and who wins, it will be the what if. The
1146
00:52:15.059 --> 00:52:17.900
same way there are seasons of the past where so-and-so
1147
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.559
got DQ'd or so-and-so got injured and whatnot. This will
1148
00:52:20.579 --> 00:52:22.739
be one of those seasons. Like, what if that UNO
1149
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.460
incident didn't happen? All right, everybody. Have a great week.
1150
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.239
See you guys in Philly. Challengemania.live for tickets. And then
1151
00:52:28.409 --> 00:52:30.809
stay tuned for news on Plano, Texas, our final show
1152
00:52:30.829 --> 00:52:33.480
of the year, December 12th. I really appreciate you. The
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