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[sean_crowe]: welcome to another episode of built on
web three today we are so excited and
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[sean_crowe]: so lucky to chat with the one
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[sean_crowe]: evan
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[sean_crowe]: mc mullen
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[evin___disco]: thank you
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[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
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[evin___disco]: me
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[evin___disco]: that is indeed correct
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[sean_crowe]: as i was doing research i noticed
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[evin___disco]: oh my
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[evin___disco]: absolutely yes we would play hudson
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[evin___disco]: i grew up i'm just east of
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[evin___disco]: but um at disco when we talk
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[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
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[evin___disco]: in a way that's going to be
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[thomas_gorczynski]: so does this go does disco introduce
any sort of centralization or does it actually
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[evin___disco]: so that's a really great question because
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mean physically decentralized infrastructure that is bound to
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portability of data and its ability to move
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when we think about the role of data
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individual party even be an entity like a
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about the sovereignty especially of those now the
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we talk about self sovereignty it does we
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data has the most control over the data
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around the data subject around the person that
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so different kinds of data can be appropriate
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places based on the amount of availability we
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that data or need for it to persist
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involve and so all of those different variables
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that data especially now depending on how often
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and so it's really important for us to
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the sovereignty and informed consent of individual users
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and interact with the work product that is
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only this as a result of their actions
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interacting with these various difdifferent applications and so
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[evin___disco]: we can also create much more business
efficient environment on the out side if but
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that all take up the same amount of
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and stashed somewhere and you no reference on
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to hopefully explore better g p r compliance
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[evin___disco]: and not having to worry about things
like the physical storage and insurance and protection
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[evin___disco]: of duplicate copies of data that otherwise
could very simply be provided with usable credential
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[sean_crowe]: development perspective just out of curiosity how
so how would that work with what you
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[sean_crowe]: guys have built so if if i'm
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roles in the life cycle of a credential
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[evin___disco]: or the life cycle of the data
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[evin___disco]: kind of party that is issuing that
data that is handing over statements written about
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and carry with them
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: to other spaces or you're a relying
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[evin___disco]: to rely upon data that comes to
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[evin___disco]: the example that you just outlined so
for both of these partnerships we have to
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interaction that they're really trying to achieve so
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[evin___disco]: in terms of issuance it's about how
do i select the right credential schema how
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: create the right form so it's still
be three compliant and resolvable and how do
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in a way that the keys that present
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[evin___disco]: it that sign issue it or belong
to a party that has authority over the
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[evin___disco]: contents it contains so that it can
be useful and then on the verifier side
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[evin___disco]: we've got to ask who signed this
crit tell um is it valid or valid
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[evin___disco]: for the purposes that i need so
is the cryptography intact is the signature sort
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[evin___disco]: of resolvable as expected is the date
of idity in tact has it not expired
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[evin___disco]: or not been revoked um so additionally
a little bit of nuance here is that
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been revoked it can still be used for
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[evin___disco]: certain purposes so you can imagine even
if your driver's license is expired it can
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are over a certain age so we've got
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[evin___disco]: a lot of flexibility in the way
we can interpret this data but a really
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them is that we make
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[evin___disco]: these sorts of nuance questions pretty easy
to answer we have an a pi that
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presents a and call those credentials hat are
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make it easy to access and then analyze
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[evin___disco]: those credentials and ensure that they are
indeed the droits that you're looking for the
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[evin___disco]: qualifications or trades you're seeking to unlock
access to an experience or to be able
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[evin___disco]: to provide a given service and then
this sort of more wholistic view of what
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[evin___disco]: the data is allows you to do
find on your end you know what are
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[evin___disco]: the rules that we have in our
community and our app an our ecosystem how
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[evin___disco]: is it that we make sense of
this data that's being presented and then on
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[evin___disco]: the issuemant side and sort of like
credential management and resolution clients had resolution side
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we're also really excited to have a schema
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in vision a new kind of credential whatever
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[evin___disco]: that might be whether that's a proof
a vives a proof that you came to
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[evin___disco]: my dinner party
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: a proof that
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[sean_crowe]: cool
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[evin___disco]: you know i vouch for you to
date one of my friends whatever those things
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[evin___disco]: are you know probably more likely financial
kinds of contributions to doze but whatever those
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to define their own
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[sean_crowe]: he
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[evin___disco]: with a simplicity of creating a google
pole so not having to right code and
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spect compliance as we currently have to today
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[sean_crowe]: okay that's interesting so will this be
like an open market place of schemes like
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[sean_crowe]: does there have to be like be
consensus
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[evin___disco]: we can achieve some really awesome network
effects if we're able to coordinate different organizations
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: issuing resolving schemes in a shared understanding
and shared language so all the schemes don't
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[evin___disco]: necessarily have to be the same but
there needs to be some shared understanding of
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their issues so really
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[evin___disco]: fortunate activity that's happening right now is
that over at the world wide web consort
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[evin___disco]: the w three c the good people
who run the internet they not only have
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[evin___disco]: presented us with these textbooks for design
realized identifies and verifiable credentials but there are
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[evin___disco]: also some really inspiring leaders in the
identity space who have kicked off working groups
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[evin___disco]: to address just this need for global
repository of as similar to scheme a dot
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[evin___disco]: or but explicitly focused on verifiable credentials
and even the sort of
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: preferred or allowed lists of issuers or
signers that represent or govern a given a
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[evin___disco]: given scheme so you can gen that
a group of universities is going to be
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[evin___disco]: the appropriate party to be associated with
diploma credentials that pertain to their institutions
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[thomas_gorczynski]: but then if the university like if
a different university wanted to create their own
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[thomas_gorczynski]: standard scheme that was for those universities
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[evin___disco]: so the nice thing about schemes is
that you can issue the same ones identical
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in different ways than other institutions you can
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based
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[evin___disco]: the creation of a new one
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[evin___disco]: upon an existing structure and really the
choice of schema is important in so far
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[evin___disco]: as it is real vent to the
parties that will rely upon that credential in
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[evin___disco]: the future so ensuring that the folks
who want to be able to resolve and
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[evin___disco]: rely upon the data that you're encompassing
in a given credential you know if you're
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[evin___disco]: prioritizing that use ability that portability and
wanting to optimize for the number for the
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[evin___disco]: most verifying party is possible then you're
probably more than likely going to choose a
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already
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[sean_crowe]: yep that makes sense so of taking
a step back from more of like a
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[sean_crowe]: user side perspective can you kind of
walk us through what
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[evin___disco]: for
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[evin___disco]: disco
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00:18:23,244 --> 00:18:23,646
[sean_crowe]: someone is
456
00:18:23,933 --> 00:18:24,093
[evin___disco]: is
457
00:18:23,967 --> 00:18:24,468
[sean_crowe]: interacting
458
00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:24,554
[evin___disco]: bring
459
00:18:24,528 --> 00:18:24,629
[sean_crowe]: with
460
00:18:24,574 --> 00:18:24,694
[evin___disco]: your
461
00:18:24,669 --> 00:18:24,849
[sean_crowe]: their
462
00:18:24,774 --> 00:18:25,135
[evin___disco]: own keys
463
00:18:25,150 --> 00:18:25,351
[sean_crowe]: data
464
00:18:25,215 --> 00:18:25,656
[evin___disco]: experience
465
00:18:25,431 --> 00:18:25,772
[sean_crowe]: back pack
466
00:18:25,716 --> 00:18:25,856
[evin___disco]: right
467
00:18:25,853 --> 00:18:25,933
[sean_crowe]: and
468
00:18:25,916 --> 00:18:26,036
[evin___disco]: now
469
00:18:25,993 --> 00:18:26,133
[sean_crowe]: even
470
00:18:26,197 --> 00:18:26,417
[evin___disco]: although
471
00:18:26,234 --> 00:18:26,715
[sean_crowe]: creating
472
00:18:26,437 --> 00:18:27,178
[evin___disco]: we're looking forward
473
00:18:26,916 --> 00:18:27,297
[sean_crowe]: their data
474
00:18:27,298 --> 00:18:27,419
[evin___disco]: to
475
00:18:27,337 --> 00:18:27,718
[sean_crowe]: back pack
476
00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:31,986
[evin___disco]: inviting users into a coustodial data back
pack experience in the future we can talk
477
00:18:32,026 --> 00:18:37,155
[evin___disco]: about that later but for now we
invite users to bring their evm compatible keys
478
00:18:37,255 --> 00:18:42,404
[evin___disco]: to the disco web app and then
connect their will with one click as they
479
00:18:42,424 --> 00:18:46,230
[evin___disco]: would normally web three tap on the
back end will generate a descent i sed
480
00:18:46,270 --> 00:18:50,697
[evin___disco]: identify or data back pack for you
and then invite you to fill out your
481
00:18:50,737 --> 00:18:56,667
[evin___disco]: profile one last time so choosing a
profile picture of brief vio creating a linkage
482
00:18:56,727 --> 00:19:00,273
[evin___disco]: that you own that dependently verifiable between
your data back
483
00:19:00,123 --> 00:19:00,144
[sean_crowe]: m
484
00:19:00,333 --> 00:19:02,377
[evin___disco]: back and your twitter handle your dens
485
00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:02,121
[sean_crowe]: m
486
00:19:02,457 --> 00:19:04,400
[evin___disco]: record or website your discord
487
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:04,101
[sean_crowe]: m
488
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,489
[evin___disco]: handle and then you're up and running
being able to interact with a disco web
489
00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:13,796
[evin___disco]: app feels a little bit like a
personal settings page and apple wallet all wrapped
490
00:19:13,856 --> 00:19:20,026
[evin___disco]: into one so your data back pack
is a collection of credentials rectangular j pegs
491
00:19:20,106 --> 00:19:26,998
[evin___disco]: that you self custody that allow you
to unlock different privileges and also you know
492
00:19:27,198 --> 00:19:31,585
[evin___disco]: interact with with other users in a
social manner so you can send and receive
493
00:19:31,706 --> 00:19:36,293
[evin___disco]: g m credentials which are kind of
like facebook style pokes and snaps with other
494
00:19:36,414 --> 00:19:41,662
[evin___disco]: users snaps are similar to kudos they
allow you to recognize another another
495
00:19:41,481 --> 00:19:41,501
[sean_crowe]: m
496
00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:42,163
[evin___disco]: data
497
00:19:42,171 --> 00:19:42,861
[sean_crowe]: hm
498
00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:42,924
[evin___disco]: back pack owner
499
00:19:42,861 --> 00:19:43,106
[sean_crowe]: yeah
500
00:19:43,325 --> 00:19:48,394
[evin___disco]: for their unique contributions immaculate vibes et
cetera um and then we also have a
501
00:19:48,434 --> 00:19:53,322
[evin___disco]: number of organizations that are issuing credentials
of membership in good standing to the folks
502
00:19:53,482 --> 00:19:57,148
[evin___disco]: in their squads and so all of
those incoming credentials will show up for you
503
00:19:57,409 --> 00:20:03,919
[evin___disco]: in your in box um just array
of different j pegs rectangular jigs that if
504
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,669
[evin___disco]: you pop them open you can expand
them and see the decentralized identifiers or data
505
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:10,510
[evin___disco]: back that addresses
506
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:10,251
[sean_crowe]: m
507
00:20:11,011 --> 00:20:15,278
[evin___disco]: of the party that issued it the
party that received it that's you as well
508
00:20:15,499 --> 00:20:20,307
[evin___disco]: as pop open the full j w
t token so being able to interrogate it
509
00:20:20,367 --> 00:20:24,574
[evin___disco]: all the way down to the studs
if desire and then this inter face also
510
00:20:24,854 --> 00:20:28,801
[evin___disco]: as i mentioned makes it easy to
be able to send credentials to other users
511
00:20:29,322 --> 00:20:32,146
[evin___disco]: and the you can also write omen
about yourself so you can fill up your
512
00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:36,534
[evin___disco]: data back pack with some statement that
you write about yourself so this includes those
513
00:20:36,634 --> 00:20:43,425
[evin___disco]: preferences around ap experience like light or
dark mode language pronouns things like t shirt
514
00:20:43,505 --> 00:20:49,937
[evin___disco]: size even zodiac sign so where we're
really looking forward to soon integrating some other
515
00:20:50,017 --> 00:20:55,587
[evin___disco]: credential scheme as around achievement so things
like certificates of completion graduation and educational co
516
00:20:55,627 --> 00:20:56,448
[evin___disco]: heart participation
517
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:01,868
[evin___disco]: oh
518
00:21:04,371 --> 00:21:07,356
[sean_crowe]: so if i'm understanding this correctly then
there's a kind of the sub set of
519
00:21:07,437 --> 00:21:13,186
[sean_crowe]: credentials that are self issued that are
information about myself that only i could decide
520
00:21:13,286 --> 00:21:17,975
[sean_crowe]: on and then there's a set of
credenti as that are issued by other parties
521
00:21:18,095 --> 00:21:18,957
[sean_crowe]: like university
522
00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:19,670
[evin___disco]: exactly
523
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:19,940
[sean_crowe]: or
524
00:21:19,971 --> 00:21:21,313
[evin___disco]: yeah and often will
525
00:21:21,423 --> 00:21:21,583
[sean_crowe]: play
526
00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:22,295
[evin___disco]: differentiate
527
00:21:21,663 --> 00:21:22,405
[sean_crowe]: in a volley ball
528
00:21:22,335 --> 00:21:22,495
[evin___disco]: those
529
00:21:22,465 --> 00:21:22,686
[sean_crowe]: league
530
00:21:22,555 --> 00:21:22,735
[evin___disco]: types
531
00:21:22,706 --> 00:21:22,766
[sean_crowe]: and
532
00:21:22,796 --> 00:21:22,856
[evin___disco]: of
533
00:21:22,806 --> 00:21:22,906
[sean_crowe]: they
534
00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:23,437
[evin___disco]: credentials
535
00:21:22,986 --> 00:21:23,527
[sean_crowe]: say i did it
536
00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:27,003
[evin___disco]: as self attested credentials being the ones
that
537
00:21:26,942 --> 00:21:27,104
[sean_crowe]: yeah
538
00:21:27,123 --> 00:21:30,468
[evin___disco]: only i can decide about myself that
i can say about myself and those
539
00:21:30,348 --> 00:21:30,669
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
540
00:21:30,528 --> 00:21:35,986
[evin___disco]: are largely preferences or sort of personal
settings for how you would like to experience
541
00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:36,568
[evin___disco]: the metaverse
542
00:21:37,958 --> 00:21:39,821
[thomas_gorczynski]: so i think this is a kind
of like
543
00:21:39,789 --> 00:21:39,810
[evin___disco]: m
544
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:43,567
[thomas_gorczynski]: a neat segu into another topic because
jan and i did a deep dive on
545
00:21:43,627 --> 00:21:50,679
[thomas_gorczynski]: disco and by the way it was
like amongst our favorite and we something really
546
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:54,465
[thomas_gorczynski]: interesting about this co is how you
have to give consent that you like
547
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:55,292
[evin___disco]: uh
548
00:21:54,986 --> 00:21:56,970
[thomas_gorczynski]: these credentials this stuff
549
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:56,820
[evin___disco]: ah
550
00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:01,577
[thomas_gorczynski]: that's in your data back back is
something that you accept to versus someone just
551
00:22:01,617 --> 00:22:06,245
[thomas_gorczynski]: said age random stuff and span whether
that's like legal or illegal content so i
552
00:22:06,405 --> 00:22:11,995
[thomas_gorczynski]: love like a quick overview of that
for our listeners but then my question specifically
553
00:22:12,195 --> 00:22:19,647
[thomas_gorczynski]: is around what about the things um
that you did that might like maybe weren't
554
00:22:19,828 --> 00:22:27,020
[thomas_gorczynski]: so good for example like a speeding
ticket or maybe you had like an accident
555
00:22:27,621 --> 00:22:30,826
[thomas_gorczynski]: and you don't want that to show
up in your in your data back pack
556
00:22:30,906 --> 00:22:35,614
[thomas_gorczynski]: for like insurance records but it is
something that happened so it's like i can
557
00:22:35,975 --> 00:22:38,641
[thomas_gorczynski]: i can see like the positive things
but what about the negative things too
558
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,330
[evin___disco]: my
559
00:22:38,721 --> 00:22:39,946
[thomas_gorczynski]: that might actually happen with that
560
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:47,759
[evin___disco]: great question so when we think about
you know how we deliberately curate in and
561
00:22:47,819 --> 00:22:52,988
[evin___disco]: present information about ourselves in the real
world right now we have a pretty incredible
562
00:22:53,068 --> 00:22:58,317
[evin___disco]: degree of control over how that happens
when we understand that it's happening but when
563
00:22:58,357 --> 00:23:03,425
[evin___disco]: we interact with applications and services there's
this whole separate conversation happening behind our backs
564
00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:07,893
[evin___disco]: above our heads where applications are are
exchanging data about us that we don't have
565
00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:12,881
[evin___disco]: a lot of awareness about our ability
to to intervene in and so this is
566
00:23:12,941 --> 00:23:16,247
[evin___disco]: a double edged sort there are great
benefits of this in terms of you know
567
00:23:16,327 --> 00:23:19,752
[evin___disco]: automation the fact that we've gotten this
as a society in terms of being able
568
00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:23,178
[evin___disco]: to anticipate the kinds of things you
want to order from macdonald's at four o'clock
569
00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:27,465
[evin___disco]: in the morning on an app but
we also don't have the ability to enjoy
570
00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:32,454
[evin___disco]: a lot of the value that comes
with creating and re using and securing the
571
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:35,659
[evin___disco]: data that describes us in you know
the way that we prefer to move through
572
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:43,376
[evin___disco]: the world so what's really interesting about
web three public ledgers essentialized networks like etherium
573
00:23:43,436 --> 00:23:53,301
[evin___disco]: and bit coin is that the censorship
resistance and transparency they enable also necessarily requires
574
00:23:53,361 --> 00:24:01,875
[evin___disco]: an absence of consent at the wallet
layer so in the evmecosystem i cannot reject
575
00:24:03,077 --> 00:24:07,003
[evin___disco]: sort of using it out of the
key parer let's say from something like mad
576
00:24:07,084 --> 00:24:15,077
[evin___disco]: mask i cannot reject any token idea
that another wallet user wants to map to
577
00:24:15,177 --> 00:24:19,424
[evin___disco]: my public key if you know my
wallet address you know how to send something
578
00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:23,651
[evin___disco]: to me and of course we could
create all kinds of elaborate permission structures around
579
00:24:23,631 --> 00:24:23,855
[sean_crowe]: yeah
580
00:24:23,711 --> 00:24:29,641
[evin___disco]: this you know smart contracts that intercept
tokens and and things like that um but
581
00:24:30,262 --> 00:24:34,129
[evin___disco]: you know although that is also true
there is merit in observing the fact that
582
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:39,738
[evin___disco]: the default system as it exists exists
is one that does not involve consent when
583
00:24:40,018 --> 00:24:47,010
[evin___disco]: accepting public assets being associated with your
address now there are ways that you can
584
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:54,423
[evin___disco]: dissociate unwanted assets you can pay again
fee to burn that asset but now we've
585
00:24:54,463 --> 00:24:56,927
[evin___disco]: got to pay money to get rid
of things that we didn't want anyway sort
586
00:24:56,947 --> 00:25:00,212
[evin___disco]: of like you know having to pay
a fee to have someone scrape an unwonted
587
00:25:00,272 --> 00:25:02,596
[evin___disco]: bumper sticker off of your car but
588
00:25:03,081 --> 00:25:03,706
[sean_crowe]: oh
589
00:25:03,097 --> 00:25:04,379
[evin___disco]: but i think there is
590
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:04,481
[sean_crowe]: m
591
00:25:04,780 --> 00:25:15,117
[evin___disco]: lot more flexibility and native natively well
suited um you know features to verifiable credentials
592
00:25:15,177 --> 00:25:20,506
[evin___disco]: to describe lot of the data that
pertains to us as individuals as as human
593
00:25:20,546 --> 00:25:26,336
[evin___disco]: beings and so we're able to manage
with a little bit more discretion um which
594
00:25:26,837 --> 00:25:28,479
[evin___disco]: data assets we want to hang
595
00:25:28,431 --> 00:25:29,151
[sean_crowe]: yeah
596
00:25:28,539 --> 00:25:32,426
[evin___disco]: on and present and which we don't
whereas if someone's looking at our public address
597
00:25:32,927 --> 00:25:36,593
[evin___disco]: on block chain it's really hard to
decide which of these assets
598
00:25:36,711 --> 00:25:36,913
[sean_crowe]: oh
599
00:25:37,194 --> 00:25:41,160
[evin___disco]: did thomas and john want which of
these assets were air dropped gift it sent
600
00:25:41,281 --> 00:25:45,728
[evin___disco]: to them span to them that we're
unwanted so there's a lot of additional context
601
00:25:45,768 --> 00:25:49,114
[evin___disco]: that you've got to provide around public
assets when it pertains to how they got
602
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:58,008
[evin___disco]: mapped to a given public key you
know additional the inability to curate means that
603
00:25:58,389 --> 00:26:02,236
[evin___disco]: we put a lot of pressure on
the front ends of applications that display our
604
00:26:02,336 --> 00:26:08,045
[evin___disco]: on chain activity so we've got to
hide each application separately a silo set of
605
00:26:09,047 --> 00:26:13,214
[evin___disco]: unwanted assets now of course this is
another fund solution where verifiable credentials could come
606
00:26:13,294 --> 00:26:14,436
[evin___disco]: in and you could mark the assets
607
00:26:14,202 --> 00:26:14,242
[sean_crowe]: hm
608
00:26:14,496 --> 00:26:16,079
[evin___disco]: with credentials that you don't want to
see
609
00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:16,170
[sean_crowe]: eh
610
00:26:16,459 --> 00:26:20,642
[evin___disco]: and to carry that form to a
but you know totally beside the point um
611
00:26:21,584 --> 00:26:25,009
[evin___disco]: when we talk about negative reputation you
know i think that that's a really
612
00:26:24,731 --> 00:26:25,473
[sean_crowe]: oh interesting
613
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:31,260
[evin___disco]: valuable characteristic for us to contemplate in
any identity system and i'm so excited for
614
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,806
[evin___disco]: the day when we arrive when that's
going to be you know of the utmost
615
00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:40,295
[evin___disco]: importance up front like we are still
on party invitations you know where we're not
616
00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:44,121
[evin___disco]: quite at like the cartoral state and
speeding tickets and for
617
00:26:44,201 --> 00:26:44,341
[thomas_gorczynski]: yep
618
00:26:44,221 --> 00:26:45,884
[evin___disco]: my part i'm very excited
619
00:26:45,621 --> 00:26:46,386
[sean_crowe]: oh
620
00:26:45,964 --> 00:26:50,211
[evin___disco]: to welcome many more users into the
web three ecosystem before
621
00:26:50,331 --> 00:26:51,321
[sean_crowe]: yeah
622
00:26:50,392 --> 00:26:52,776
[evin___disco]: we start appealing to them with the
desirable
623
00:26:52,161 --> 00:26:52,466
[sean_crowe]: oh
624
00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:57,586
[evin___disco]: new experience of decentralized back in for
speeding tickets but i would prefer to throw
625
00:26:57,646 --> 00:26:58,208
[evin___disco]: parties first
626
00:26:59,481 --> 00:26:59,704
[sean_crowe]: uh
627
00:27:04,931 --> 00:27:06,674
[evin___disco]: well and also you know we're not
628
00:27:06,764 --> 00:27:07,104
[sean_crowe]: well i'm
629
00:27:07,134 --> 00:27:07,836
[evin___disco]: immediately
630
00:27:07,184 --> 00:27:08,125
[sean_crowe]: glad you're here doing
631
00:27:08,036 --> 00:27:08,617
[evin___disco]: eliminating
632
00:27:08,165 --> 00:27:08,786
[sean_crowe]: that because yeah
633
00:27:08,737 --> 00:27:09,438
[evin___disco]: the existence
634
00:27:08,926 --> 00:27:09,527
[sean_crowe]: nobody would get in
635
00:27:09,498 --> 00:27:09,558
[evin___disco]: of
636
00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:09,687
[sean_crowe]: web
637
00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:09,819
[evin___disco]: law
638
00:27:09,787 --> 00:27:09,947
[sean_crowe]: three
639
00:27:09,899 --> 00:27:10,420
[evin___disco]: enforcement
640
00:27:09,987 --> 00:27:10,848
[sean_crowe]: if that was the case
641
00:27:11,101 --> 00:27:16,450
[evin___disco]: like you know let's try to address
one at a time the daily experience is
642
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:22,440
[evin___disco]: in people's lives where we can remove
friction and add delight and value and there
643
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,482
[evin___disco]: are infinity
644
00:27:23,121 --> 00:27:23,343
[sean_crowe]: oh
645
00:27:23,562 --> 00:27:28,430
[evin___disco]: hypotheticals that we can you know concern
ourselves with when it comes to him much
646
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:32,136
[evin___disco]: higher gravity user data and we'll get
there we'll get there very soon but
647
00:27:32,034 --> 00:27:32,661
[sean_crowe]: hm
648
00:27:32,176 --> 00:27:38,687
[evin___disco]: we will not enjoy the privilege of
considering the consequences of our far reaching actions
649
00:27:38,747 --> 00:27:43,617
[evin___disco]: around sensitive data until we first figure
out how to have fun in web three
650
00:27:43,817 --> 00:27:48,635
[evin___disco]: in the metaphors and for those who
would like to first jump to systems of
651
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:53,543
[evin___disco]: punishment and negative reputation as we as
we take our very first steps in building
652
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:58,311
[evin___disco]: this new plane i invite us to
take a step back together and think about
653
00:27:58,672 --> 00:28:01,758
[evin___disco]: how can we make the space a
little bit more welcoming at least for its
654
00:28:01,798 --> 00:28:02,198
[evin___disco]: very start
655
00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:14,147
[sean_crowe]: yeah yeah this i had a twit
here pulled up i think you retweated it
656
00:28:14,708 --> 00:28:17,372
[sean_crowe]: and i think it was a quote
from you it was on clear but it
657
00:28:17,432 --> 00:28:22,401
[sean_crowe]: was the permanence of our public chains
are unintentionally diminishing the freedom for disenfranchised commun
658
00:28:22,481 --> 00:28:26,367
[sean_crowe]: it is by publicizing the very traits
used to discriminate against them and i feel
659
00:28:26,407 --> 00:28:30,734
[sean_crowe]: like that's exactly what we're talking about
here where you know you could get sent
660
00:28:30,855 --> 00:28:33,719
[sean_crowe]: these soul bound n f ts and
you have no choice in the matter and
661
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,964
[sean_crowe]: doxes basically and people know more about
you than you want them to know about
662
00:28:38,044 --> 00:28:39,145
[sean_crowe]: you and
663
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:40,233
[evin___disco]: that is absolutely
664
00:28:40,106 --> 00:28:40,206
[sean_crowe]: and
665
00:28:40,353 --> 00:28:40,674
[evin___disco]: all me
666
00:28:40,506 --> 00:28:40,726
[sean_crowe]: from the
667
00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:40,775
[evin___disco]: i
668
00:28:40,766 --> 00:28:40,966
[sean_crowe]: sounds
669
00:28:40,835 --> 00:28:40,975
[evin___disco]: feel
670
00:28:41,006 --> 00:28:41,066
[sean_crowe]: of
671
00:28:41,075 --> 00:28:41,316
[evin___disco]: really
672
00:28:41,146 --> 00:28:41,487
[sean_crowe]: it just
673
00:28:41,416 --> 00:28:41,858
[evin___disco]: strongly
674
00:28:41,547 --> 00:28:42,348
[sean_crowe]: go completely
675
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:42,439
[evin___disco]: about
676
00:28:42,428 --> 00:28:42,688
[sean_crowe]: solves
677
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:42,700
[evin___disco]: this
678
00:28:42,748 --> 00:28:42,928
[sean_crowe]: that
679
00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:43,081
[evin___disco]: that
680
00:28:43,048 --> 00:28:44,249
[sean_crowe]: by bringing these
681
00:28:44,164 --> 00:28:44,385
[evin___disco]: you know
682
00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:44,630
[sean_crowe]: credentials
683
00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:45,047
[evin___disco]: often
684
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:45,030
[sean_crowe]: off chain
685
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:48,959
[evin___disco]: public data that pertains to individuals
686
00:28:48,411 --> 00:28:48,754
[sean_crowe]: oh
687
00:28:50,183 --> 00:28:56,867
[evin___disco]: is more harmful when we're talking about
marginalized communities and having trades exposed that can
688
00:28:56,927 --> 00:29:02,877
[evin___disco]: be used to m yeah to disenfranchie
them to limit their options whether that's their
689
00:29:02,957 --> 00:29:09,027
[evin___disco]: race their gender their soc economic status
their region their primary language their citizenship and
690
00:29:09,108 --> 00:29:12,934
[evin___disco]: so if we want to create a
more equitable world a more level playing field
691
00:29:13,254 --> 00:29:20,204
[evin___disco]: in web three perhaps may be for
our a first act we don't replicate the
692
00:29:20,264 --> 00:29:24,269
[evin___disco]: systems of disenfranchisement that we know to
already exist
693
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:30,251
[sean_crowe]: m yeah m
694
00:29:33,282 --> 00:29:34,124
[sean_crowe]: do you have any specific
695
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:34,770
[evin___disco]: yeah
696
00:29:34,224 --> 00:29:34,946
[sean_crowe]: examples of that
697
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:35,020
[evin___disco]: so
698
00:29:35,087 --> 00:29:35,508
[sean_crowe]: that you're
699
00:29:35,481 --> 00:29:35,701
[evin___disco]: i think
700
00:29:35,708 --> 00:29:35,869
[sean_crowe]: you're
701
00:29:35,761 --> 00:29:35,901
[evin___disco]: about
702
00:29:35,889 --> 00:29:36,129
[sean_crowe]: looking
703
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:36,302
[evin___disco]: a lot
704
00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:36,530
[sean_crowe]: forward to
705
00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:36,603
[evin___disco]: on
706
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:36,671
[sean_crowe]: the
707
00:29:36,683 --> 00:29:36,863
[evin___disco]: many
708
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:37,092
[sean_crowe]: day that
709
00:29:37,103 --> 00:29:37,384
[evin___disco]: time
710
00:29:37,132 --> 00:29:37,513
[sean_crowe]: this comes
711
00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:38,105
[evin___disco]: horizons
712
00:29:37,553 --> 00:29:38,375
[sean_crowe]: to fruition that
713
00:29:38,666 --> 00:29:38,946
[evin___disco]: but
714
00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:39,498
[sean_crowe]: web three and disco
715
00:29:39,307 --> 00:29:39,407
[evin___disco]: the
716
00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:39,698
[sean_crowe]: could
717
00:29:39,728 --> 00:29:39,948
[evin___disco]: first
718
00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:39,979
[sean_crowe]: solve
719
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:46,659
[evin___disco]: that i'm particularly excited about is shortening
the time of on boarding into a community
720
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,826
[evin___disco]: organization right now when you join a
daw it's like your first day on the
721
00:29:50,906 --> 00:29:56,375
[evin___disco]: internet you have to hang out in
the discord participate contribute introduce yourself to everybody
722
00:29:56,496 --> 00:29:57,878
[evin___disco]: kind of farm that reputation
723
00:29:58,251 --> 00:29:58,572
[sean_crowe]: oh
724
00:29:58,379 --> 00:29:59,981
[evin___disco]: and there's lot of merit in
725
00:30:00,261 --> 00:30:01,010
[sean_crowe]: ye
726
00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,744
[evin___disco]: coming in hot to a community
727
00:30:01,641 --> 00:30:01,868
[sean_crowe]: oh
728
00:30:02,205 --> 00:30:07,454
[evin___disco]: and finding your nice and contributing but
once you make those contributions once you're core
729
00:30:07,554 --> 00:30:12,162
[evin___disco]: part of a guild you're writing the
newsletter organizing events and hosts twitter spaces it's
730
00:30:12,242 --> 00:30:16,209
[evin___disco]: really difficult to capture proofs of a
job well done when you do that work
731
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:20,776
[evin___disco]: and so very often if you want
to participate in another day perhaps take on
732
00:30:20,796 --> 00:30:24,382
[evin___disco]: another role or even move to a
new organization when you show up to their
733
00:30:24,402 --> 00:30:28,789
[evin___disco]: discord on day on it's like your
first day on the internet again and the
734
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:33,437
[evin___disco]: whole ground hog day repeats and so
being able to capture proofs of your work
735
00:30:33,497 --> 00:30:40,469
[evin___disco]: and your contribution whether those are your
individual preferences and proticipation in roles or the
736
00:30:40,509 --> 00:30:43,734
[evin___disco]: way that you've shown up for your
organization or community being able to bring that
737
00:30:43,835 --> 00:30:48,062
[evin___disco]: with you and show it as a
proof of contribution a new jobs to other
738
00:30:48,182 --> 00:30:52,950
[evin___disco]: daws to new organizations that proof of
accountability can be used in so many creative
739
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:58,699
[evin___disco]: ways by as also it's a high
assurance anticiple proxy that you're probably not a
740
00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:02,325
[evin___disco]: if you're showing up to twitter spaces
weekly and you're a good contributor and you
741
00:31:02,365 --> 00:31:06,793
[evin___disco]: always bring pizza or whatever and so
so you know i'm really looking forward to
742
00:31:06,953 --> 00:31:07,554
[evin___disco]: defining
743
00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:07,582
[sean_crowe]: uh
744
00:31:08,395 --> 00:31:09,337
[evin___disco]: with great granularity
745
00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:09,411
[sean_crowe]: h
746
00:31:09,537 --> 00:31:14,786
[evin___disco]: the different kinds of contribution that organizations
are excited to keep track of and allowing
747
00:31:14,966 --> 00:31:20,015
[evin___disco]: individual contributors to take custody of those
kinds of proofs so that we can lower
748
00:31:20,075 --> 00:31:24,166
[evin___disco]: the switching cost of moving from one
space and community another and web three and
749
00:31:24,246 --> 00:31:26,837
[evin___disco]: start to see the kind of portability
that we've always been promised
750
00:31:35,012 --> 00:31:39,179
[sean_crowe]: yet we we interviewed george from common
wealth that you introduced us to and it
751
00:31:39,219 --> 00:31:44,307
[sean_crowe]: was an awesome conversation about dows and
dow tooling what are some and i think
752
00:31:44,327 --> 00:31:47,894
[sean_crowe]: you guys are working with boys club
on like bata here so what are some
753
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:48,230
[evin___disco]: so
754
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:48,877
[sean_crowe]: credentials
755
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:48,891
[evin___disco]: we are so
756
00:31:48,977 --> 00:31:49,077
[sean_crowe]: that
757
00:31:48,991 --> 00:31:49,172
[evin___disco]: proud
758
00:31:49,117 --> 00:31:49,257
[sean_crowe]: you're
759
00:31:49,232 --> 00:31:49,312
[evin___disco]: and
760
00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:49,558
[sean_crowe]: starting
761
00:31:49,352 --> 00:31:49,672
[evin___disco]: excited
762
00:31:49,598 --> 00:31:49,678
[sean_crowe]: the
763
00:31:49,712 --> 00:31:49,773
[evin___disco]: to
764
00:31:49,779 --> 00:31:49,799
[sean_crowe]: c
765
00:31:49,813 --> 00:31:50,153
[evin___disco]: be working
766
00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:50,260
[sean_crowe]: being
767
00:31:50,193 --> 00:31:50,554
[evin___disco]: with boys
768
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,741
[sean_crowe]: issued
769
00:31:50,594 --> 00:31:51,155
[evin___disco]: club and
770
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:51,403
[sean_crowe]: within
771
00:31:51,215 --> 00:31:51,475
[evin___disco]: the very
772
00:31:51,463 --> 00:31:51,483
[sean_crowe]: a
773
00:31:51,555 --> 00:31:51,736
[evin___disco]: first
774
00:31:51,603 --> 00:31:51,944
[sean_crowe]: down
775
00:31:51,776 --> 00:31:52,177
[evin___disco]: credential
776
00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:52,345
[sean_crowe]: for work
777
00:31:52,257 --> 00:31:52,477
[evin___disco]: that they
778
00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:52,686
[sean_crowe]: people
779
00:31:52,537 --> 00:31:53,018
[evin___disco]: kicked off with
780
00:31:53,067 --> 00:31:53,167
[sean_crowe]: that
781
00:31:53,118 --> 00:31:53,178
[evin___disco]: is
782
00:31:53,227 --> 00:31:53,327
[sean_crowe]: are
783
00:31:53,278 --> 00:31:53,579
[evin___disco]: actually
784
00:31:53,387 --> 00:31:53,848
[sean_crowe]: doing within
785
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:54,000
[evin___disco]: the most
786
00:31:53,929 --> 00:31:54,089
[sean_crowe]: a do
787
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,105
[evin___disco]: popular one and what we see is
sort of the anchor credential not only in
788
00:31:57,265 --> 00:32:01,492
[evin___disco]: our growth strategy but also in the
strategy of so many com unities so this
789
00:32:01,552 --> 00:32:07,522
[evin___disco]: initial membership credential attests to an individual's
membership and good standing of that organization so
790
00:32:07,803 --> 00:32:13,131
[evin___disco]: this proof is private by default can
be revoked or set to expire and it
791
00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:18,020
[evin___disco]: is legible to or can be resolved
by the signature can be checked by more
792
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:21,405
[evin___disco]: than a hundred and fifty different kinds
of keys so etherium keys but coin keys
793
00:32:21,485 --> 00:32:25,151
[evin___disco]: keys that are derived from p g
p email a kind different stuff so it's
794
00:32:25,192 --> 00:32:30,781
[evin___disco]: very universally accessible information should the holder
decide that they want to share it um
795
00:32:30,941 --> 00:32:35,368
[evin___disco]: this credential can be used to access
google collaboration tools like google poles or slides
796
00:32:35,429 --> 00:32:41,158
[evin___disco]: or documents that kind of thing um
get hub repositories chat channels on telegram and
797
00:32:41,399 --> 00:32:48,270
[evin___disco]: discord as well as role titles discounts
and access to exclusive merchandise on shopifi as
798
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:54,360
[evin___disco]: well as access to privileged on chain
logic so gated n f t minting appropriate
799
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,068
[evin___disco]: only for that membership credential holder are
accessible only for that membership credential holder as
800
00:32:59,128 --> 00:33:03,956
[evin___disco]: well as we're starting to experiment with
permission to defy pools so how might we
801
00:33:04,056 --> 00:33:07,642
[evin___disco]: have a defy pool where you can
only deposit or interact with that smart contract
802
00:33:08,323 --> 00:33:12,671
[evin___disco]: if you have certain credentials off chain
so being able to have a go little
803
00:33:12,711 --> 00:33:16,637
[evin___disco]: file just to chase on blob that
you can carry around and interact in so
804
00:33:16,677 --> 00:33:21,185
[evin___disco]: many different spaces oh and i almost
forgot you can also you present that credential
805
00:33:21,285 --> 00:33:26,634
[evin___disco]: for verification to access physical spaces so
for en parties even you know secure
806
00:33:26,481 --> 00:33:26,745
[sean_crowe]: oh
807
00:33:26,975 --> 00:33:31,362
[evin___disco]: physical locations where you want to keep
track of who's in that space being able
808
00:33:31,582 --> 00:33:36,550
[evin___disco]: to have individual asset that has virtually
no marginal cost to create
809
00:33:36,831 --> 00:33:36,852
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
810
00:33:36,971 --> 00:33:39,956
[evin___disco]: and so universally valuable across
811
00:33:39,806 --> 00:33:41,088
[thomas_gorczynski]: i yeah
812
00:33:40,016 --> 00:33:43,823
[evin___disco]: so many different tools and planes i'm
just really excited to build out even more
813
00:33:43,638 --> 00:33:43,741
[thomas_gorczynski]: ye
814
00:33:44,203 --> 00:33:44,944
[evin___disco]: capabilities
815
00:33:44,838 --> 00:33:45,122
[thomas_gorczynski]: my
816
00:33:45,145 --> 00:33:49,372
[evin___disco]: as these communities grow and see migrations
to have that same
817
00:33:49,248 --> 00:33:49,268
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
818
00:33:49,432 --> 00:33:54,100
[evin___disco]: sort of point of access or combination
of access controls throughout their ecosystem so as
819
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,649
[evin___disco]: we add more roles and more types
of credentials pertaining to their contributions and participation
820
00:34:00,010 --> 00:34:03,866
[evin___disco]: then we'll be able to have even
more nuance access control to all these different
821
00:34:03,906 --> 00:34:04,207
[evin___disco]: spaces
822
00:34:05,778 --> 00:34:11,568
[thomas_gorczynski]: i think it's amazing and how like
literally an infinite amount of ways that this
823
00:34:11,608 --> 00:34:14,953
[thomas_gorczynski]: co can be used across like daws
to businesses
824
00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:14,875
[evin___disco]: oh
825
00:34:15,034 --> 00:34:17,397
[thomas_gorczynski]: to governments and so forth personal
826
00:34:17,415 --> 00:34:17,518
[evin___disco]: as
827
00:34:17,498 --> 00:34:21,925
[thomas_gorczynski]: preferences where do you think you're going
to be are you going to pick a
828
00:34:21,985 --> 00:34:27,594
[thomas_gorczynski]: particular focus like daws because that does
seem like it's such a huge potential of
829
00:34:27,635 --> 00:34:34,666
[thomas_gorczynski]: the future the other question i had
was what's the business model behind disco like
830
00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:39,695
[thomas_gorczynski]: do you have any benefit to working
with one type of organization or a kind
831
00:34:39,755 --> 00:34:43,865
[thomas_gorczynski]: of area than another or and how
do you make money
832
00:34:45,341 --> 00:34:53,154
[evin___disco]: so to address your second question first
we are currently experimenting with how we can
833
00:34:53,274 --> 00:34:59,665
[evin___disco]: contribute value to the application egosystem as
well as are our end users so by
834
00:34:59,825 --> 00:35:04,573
[evin___disco]: better understanding how much risk we are
removing from these application how much frustration and
835
00:35:04,673 --> 00:35:09,401
[evin___disco]: time complexity and drop off we're then
going to determine which so the flow we
836
00:35:09,501 --> 00:35:13,448
[evin___disco]: think have the most value at the
most value and represent services that we can
837
00:35:13,488 --> 00:35:20,259
[evin___disco]: charge for so my conjecture is that
relying parties applications that verify data that's bought
838
00:35:20,279 --> 00:35:26,850
[evin___disco]: to there door that they otherwise would
have to request and store will will participate
839
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:30,997
[evin___disco]: in a tired subscription structure will always
have a free ter for our de gens
840
00:35:31,057 --> 00:35:33,040
[evin___disco]: and our builders that definitely see
841
00:35:32,979 --> 00:35:32,999
[thomas_gorczynski]: h
842
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:34,964
[evin___disco]: an opportunity to have an a p
i call
843
00:35:34,707 --> 00:35:34,728
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
844
00:35:35,044 --> 00:35:35,685
[evin___disco]: based business
845
00:35:35,688 --> 00:35:36,558
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
846
00:35:35,745 --> 00:35:43,117
[evin___disco]: here also in the future we're really
excited about better enabling ego system of discoverability
847
00:35:42,888 --> 00:35:43,192
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
848
00:35:43,538 --> 00:35:48,186
[evin___disco]: having the disco tech or adapt store
essentially of different places where you can discover
849
00:35:48,827 --> 00:35:53,555
[evin___disco]: experiences that will be more personalized based
on the credentials that you've just obtained or
850
00:35:53,615 --> 00:35:58,142
[evin___disco]: interacted with in your data back pack
so being able to bridge the gap of
851
00:35:58,302 --> 00:36:01,428
[evin___disco]: finding places to go hang out in
web three and things to do with your
852
00:36:01,488 --> 00:36:06,055
[evin___disco]: keys that are going to be personalized
and interesting but not necessarily in a way
853
00:36:06,095 --> 00:36:10,531
[evin___disco]: that relies only upon funding your wallet
um m and then you know when we
854
00:36:10,591 --> 00:36:14,738
[evin___disco]: think about sort of how we how
we interact with this ego system all together
855
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,768
[evin___disco]: as users and as you know issuing
and relying parties we we really think about
856
00:36:20,988 --> 00:36:25,035
[evin___disco]: what is that wholes journey of the
life cycle of a credential how can we
857
00:36:25,235 --> 00:36:30,705
[evin___disco]: insure that we're bringing the maximum value
to the needs of the applications on both
858
00:36:30,785 --> 00:36:38,121
[evin___disco]: sides while respecting the informed cans privacy
and participation of the subject of data the
859
00:36:38,141 --> 00:36:40,828
[evin___disco]: human beings moving in between all of
these co ordination tools
860
00:36:50,051 --> 00:36:52,816
[sean_crowe]: i love it i don't know what
thomas said that made me think of this
861
00:36:52,876 --> 00:36:56,001
[sean_crowe]: question but sorry to go a little
more negative here but i was just thinking
862
00:36:56,041 --> 00:37:01,270
[sean_crowe]: about the security of that back packs
and kind of how disco is involved in
863
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:05,918
[sean_crowe]: that i guess from a decentralization question
as well but like if for example you
864
00:37:05,938 --> 00:37:06,799
[sean_crowe]: know how like f b i
865
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:07,572
[evin___disco]: oh
866
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,565
[sean_crowe]: goes to apple and they say give
me this data and apple says no and
867
00:37:10,605 --> 00:37:14,792
[sean_crowe]: then everyone's matt at apple if the
f b i came to disco and said
868
00:37:14,912 --> 00:37:15,052
[sean_crowe]: give
869
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:15,231
[evin___disco]: so
870
00:37:15,092 --> 00:37:16,354
[sean_crowe]: me this person's private
871
00:37:16,012 --> 00:37:16,733
[evin___disco]: your data
872
00:37:16,755 --> 00:37:17,235
[sean_crowe]: credential
873
00:37:17,114 --> 00:37:17,715
[evin___disco]: with disco
874
00:37:17,776 --> 00:37:18,176
[sean_crowe]: is that even
875
00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:18,276
[evin___disco]: as
876
00:37:18,257 --> 00:37:18,757
[sean_crowe]: possible
877
00:37:18,356 --> 00:37:18,937
[evin___disco]: it exists right
878
00:37:18,857 --> 00:37:18,957
[sean_crowe]: for
879
00:37:18,997 --> 00:37:19,157
[evin___disco]: now
880
00:37:18,997 --> 00:37:19,338
[sean_crowe]: you guys
881
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:19,738
[evin___disco]: is incrypted
882
00:37:19,458 --> 00:37:20,039
[sean_crowe]: to be forced
883
00:37:19,798 --> 00:37:20,279
[evin___disco]: against your
884
00:37:20,279 --> 00:37:20,359
[sean_crowe]: to
885
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:20,700
[evin___disco]: keys
886
00:37:20,419 --> 00:37:20,740
[sean_crowe]: do that
887
00:37:21,181 --> 00:37:27,972
[evin___disco]: by default and stored on the ceramic
network and so you and as the subject
888
00:37:28,012 --> 00:37:31,197
[evin___disco]: of that data the owner and controller
of it as well as the owner and
889
00:37:31,237 --> 00:37:38,169
[evin___disco]: control of the private key that overseas
its incription disco has no ability to intervene
890
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:43,979
[evin___disco]: between you and your data we could
receive that request and you know politely ask
891
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:44,880
[evin___disco]: you or let you know
892
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:44,781
[sean_crowe]: h
893
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,750
[evin___disco]: that it's been made but we have
no ability to seize and de crypt your
894
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:51,131
[evin___disco]: data
895
00:37:51,381 --> 00:37:53,013
[sean_crowe]: yes
896
00:37:51,513 --> 00:37:52,978
[evin___disco]: and share it with other parties
897
00:37:53,961 --> 00:37:54,264
[sean_crowe]: oh
898
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:58,043
[evin___disco]: oh
899
00:38:01,181 --> 00:38:05,624
[sean_crowe]: love it and are there any like
what is the biggest security risk then like
900
00:38:05,704 --> 00:38:05,865
[sean_crowe]: what
901
00:38:06,224 --> 00:38:06,364
[evin___disco]: so
902
00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:08,647
[sean_crowe]: what are hackers going to try to
poke their holes into here
903
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:08,810
[evin___disco]: we eat
904
00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:08,827
[sean_crowe]: can
905
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:08,950
[evin___disco]: with
906
00:38:08,907 --> 00:38:09,167
[sean_crowe]: someone
907
00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:09,311
[evin___disco]: our eyes
908
00:38:09,268 --> 00:38:09,508
[sean_crowe]: spoof
909
00:38:09,431 --> 00:38:09,692
[evin___disco]: first
910
00:38:09,608 --> 00:38:10,228
[sean_crowe]: my identity
911
00:38:09,872 --> 00:38:10,272
[evin___disco]: of course
912
00:38:10,308 --> 00:38:10,369
[sean_crowe]: and
913
00:38:10,653 --> 00:38:10,773
[evin___disco]: and
914
00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:10,969
[sean_crowe]: spoof
915
00:38:11,034 --> 00:38:11,154
[evin___disco]: so
916
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:11,670
[sean_crowe]: my credentials
917
00:38:11,294 --> 00:38:16,122
[evin___disco]: whatever we see has a pretty significant
bearing on the information that we believe to
918
00:38:16,182 --> 00:38:23,354
[evin___disco]: be true so as with all social
fishing and based misleading you know journeys intended
919
00:38:23,414 --> 00:38:27,381
[evin___disco]: to trick us we do have some
amount of risk because of course we're consuming
920
00:38:27,401 --> 00:38:30,747
[evin___disco]: this information through our eyeballs now there
are all kinds of trust cues that we're
921
00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:35,234
[evin___disco]: really excited about introducing and rolling the
coming months that will help to alleviate some
922
00:38:35,294 --> 00:38:36,596
[evin___disco]: of the concerns and allow
923
00:38:36,683 --> 00:38:37,491
[sean_crowe]: hm
924
00:38:36,757 --> 00:38:41,645
[evin___disco]: for an individual to interrogate an interaction
a little bit further than they can traditionally
925
00:38:41,705 --> 00:38:45,992
[evin___disco]: so that they can feel confidence you
know what the choices they're making inside of
926
00:38:46,052 --> 00:38:50,960
[evin___disco]: the app but i think we again
hit a bottle neck when we talk about
927
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,251
[evin___disco]: security around private key management and so
we're particularly excited about exploring some of the
928
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:57,561
[sean_crowe]: m
929
00:38:57,631 --> 00:39:03,060
[evin___disco]: unique properties of did documents documents are
like the decentralized link tray or set of
930
00:39:03,101 --> 00:39:06,807
[evin___disco]: directions or service and points for how
to interact with the decentralized identify or data
931
00:39:06,847 --> 00:39:11,635
[evin___disco]: back back in our world and one
of those capabilities for some decentralized identify our
932
00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:15,742
[evin___disco]: methods is the ability to rotate keys
so key rotation means that we can start
933
00:39:15,802 --> 00:39:19,788
[evin___disco]: off with a custodia or semi custodial
experience we can rotate the keys that sit
934
00:39:19,868 --> 00:39:21,331
[evin___disco]: behind public identify our
935
00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:21,646
[sean_crowe]: m
936
00:39:21,772 --> 00:39:25,959
[evin___disco]: and we can allow that individual organization
to ride off into the sunset as an
937
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:31,348
[evin___disco]: independent self custodial bank less entity umoukwowning
and controlling their data back pack and their
938
00:39:31,448 --> 00:39:37,017
[evin___disco]: assets so for that gentle on boarding
where we don't necessarily need to start off
939
00:39:37,057 --> 00:39:40,663
[evin___disco]: with private key management but we can
work up to it that does introduce a
940
00:39:40,763 --> 00:39:45,636
[evin___disco]: lot of potential concern is as we
an even larger market
941
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:45,801
[sean_crowe]: m
942
00:39:54,231 --> 00:39:56,633
[sean_crowe]: got to so i want to take
the last like ten or three minutes here
943
00:39:56,673 --> 00:39:59,776
[sean_crowe]: really to talk about use cases and
try to paint a picture of what this
944
00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:07,013
[sean_crowe]: world could look like with disco back
backs everywhere so what do you think the
945
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:07,914
[sean_crowe]: first experience
946
00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:07,633
[evin___disco]: so
947
00:40:07,954 --> 00:40:08,234
[sean_crowe]: someone
948
00:40:08,115 --> 00:40:08,397
[evin___disco]: if your
949
00:40:08,274 --> 00:40:08,494
[sean_crowe]: like
950
00:40:08,457 --> 00:40:08,839
[evin___disco]: parents
951
00:40:08,574 --> 00:40:09,235
[sean_crowe]: our parents will
952
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:09,241
[evin___disco]: are
953
00:40:09,295 --> 00:40:09,535
[sean_crowe]: have
954
00:40:09,804 --> 00:40:10,005
[evin___disco]: our
955
00:40:10,396 --> 00:40:11,157
[sean_crowe]: using the verified
956
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:11,680
[evin___disco]: up
957
00:40:11,698 --> 00:40:12,359
[sean_crowe]: verifiable
958
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,401
[evin___disco]: and running with their
959
00:40:12,419 --> 00:40:12,939
[sean_crowe]: credentials
960
00:40:12,501 --> 00:40:17,530
[evin___disco]: own private keys it's likely that the
first credential they'll receive is a membership credential
961
00:40:18,171 --> 00:40:20,294
[evin___disco]: even outside of that as we start
to
962
00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:21,032
[sean_crowe]: they're
963
00:40:20,995 --> 00:40:21,316
[evin___disco]: welcome
964
00:40:21,092 --> 00:40:21,192
[sean_crowe]: not
965
00:40:21,376 --> 00:40:25,443
[evin___disco]: more and more users with you know
ing levels of familiarity with the underlying
966
00:40:25,251 --> 00:40:25,434
[sean_crowe]: oh
967
00:40:25,483 --> 00:40:27,626
[evin___disco]: technology and sort of independent self custody
968
00:40:27,444 --> 00:40:28,071
[sean_crowe]: hm
969
00:40:28,568 --> 00:40:32,054
[evin___disco]: i think that membership credentials of one
form or another are highly likely to be
970
00:40:32,114 --> 00:40:36,060
[evin___disco]: the first that they interact with so
whether those are credentials of employment that attest
971
00:40:36,261 --> 00:40:38,204
[evin___disco]: to the fact that they work somewhere
972
00:40:38,118 --> 00:40:38,338
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
973
00:40:38,284 --> 00:40:42,331
[evin___disco]: whether those are credentials of membership in
a physical club
974
00:40:42,786 --> 00:40:43,287
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
975
00:40:42,952 --> 00:40:47,299
[evin___disco]: or a group or organization credentials as
the jumping off
976
00:40:47,162 --> 00:40:47,243
[thomas_gorczynski]: ah
977
00:40:47,379 --> 00:40:50,123
[evin___disco]: point of access across environments
978
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:50,410
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
979
00:40:50,623 --> 00:40:54,748
[evin___disco]: to different groups and communities i think
will continue to be a really strong first
980
00:40:54,808 --> 00:40:55,249
[evin___disco]: experience
981
00:40:57,391 --> 00:41:03,461
[thomas_gorczynski]: um from a use case of like
developers utilizing disco and i was thinking about
982
00:41:03,481 --> 00:41:07,187
[thomas_gorczynski]: the business model to which i'm a
fan of i like that on like the
983
00:41:07,648 --> 00:41:15,942
[thomas_gorczynski]: call basis um will the business model
well you have a very fluid and direct
984
00:41:16,022 --> 00:41:20,409
[thomas_gorczynski]: relationship to developers such that like we
don't need to go through the like if
985
00:41:20,489 --> 00:41:24,115
[thomas_gorczynski]: i if you wanted to create a
financial app today and you need to use
986
00:41:24,255 --> 00:41:27,821
[thomas_gorczynski]: plat for example to you know hook
up the bank accounts and all this other
987
00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:33,050
[thomas_gorczynski]: stuff it's a process to get that
is it going to be way faster with
988
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:38,119
[thomas_gorczynski]: disco and kind of like an automatic
like per usage kind of like debit almost
989
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,927
[thomas_gorczynski]: to the developer for just like each
micro transaction for each a p i call
990
00:41:43,608 --> 00:41:43,768
[thomas_gorczynski]: that
991
00:41:43,611 --> 00:41:43,753
[evin___disco]: yeah
992
00:41:43,908 --> 00:41:45,252
[thomas_gorczynski]: such that you eliminate
993
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:45,182
[evin___disco]: oh
994
00:41:45,392 --> 00:41:48,740
[thomas_gorczynski]: all the kind of headache with getting
set up just like you're trying to make
995
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:53,463
[thomas_gorczynski]: it easier for users to use this
code to on board to no forms and
996
00:41:53,504 --> 00:41:53,705
[thomas_gorczynski]: stuff
997
00:41:54,471 --> 00:41:58,578
[evin___disco]: so we actually think a lot about
and the feedback that we've gotten so far
998
00:41:59,078 --> 00:42:03,666
[evin___disco]: has actually looked at these sort of
micro transaction based interactions is perhaps more cumbersome
999
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:11,639
[evin___disco]: and especially for you know for enterprise
applications that are you know thinking about their
1000
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,048
[evin___disco]: their own sort of financial relationship with
their vendors and parties they rely upon and
1001
00:42:17,128 --> 00:42:23,699
[evin___disco]: so we're loring more of a tired
rate limited subscription model where we will have
1002
00:42:24,481 --> 00:42:33,556
[evin___disco]: options for free participation as well as
virtually unlit i uncapped credential factory or verify
1003
00:42:33,716 --> 00:42:38,905
[evin___disco]: factory for those parties that are interacting
at scale so our objective and of course
1004
00:42:39,025 --> 00:42:43,012
[evin___disco]: will be really flexible with these models
but always you know learning and experimenting but
1005
00:42:43,052 --> 00:42:44,274
[evin___disco]: our objective is to remove as
1006
00:42:44,301 --> 00:42:44,542
[sean_crowe]: oh
1007
00:42:44,314 --> 00:42:46,078
[evin___disco]: much friction as possible from the
1008
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:46,290
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1009
00:42:46,138 --> 00:42:49,864
[evin___disco]: experience of our builders as well as
the experience of you know those rending that
1010
00:42:49,945 --> 00:42:52,129
[evin___disco]: the business teams associated with their apse
and services
1011
00:42:56,942 --> 00:42:57,044
[evin___disco]: ah
1012
00:43:00,892 --> 00:43:05,340
[sean_crowe]: so i'm definitely a hundred per cent
discopilled and i'm very bullish on this future
1013
00:43:06,421 --> 00:43:08,385
[sean_crowe]: but i'm curious are you seeing
1014
00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:08,979
[evin___disco]: oh
1015
00:43:08,505 --> 00:43:14,063
[sean_crowe]: any web two companies start to adopt
verify credentials because i'm just thinking of maybe
1016
00:43:14,144 --> 00:43:19,878
[sean_crowe]: like spotify for example in in this
world where they they can give me a
1017
00:43:19,918 --> 00:43:24,446
[sean_crowe]: credential or an n f t or
anything that says i am in the top
1018
00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:28,852
[sean_crowe]: point zero one percent of listeners of
taylor's left and i can take that to
1019
00:43:28,892 --> 00:43:34,019
[sean_crowe]: the concert and get unique experiences what's
in it for spotify to issue me very
1020
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,851
[sean_crowe]: valuable credentials with
1021
00:43:35,857 --> 00:43:35,977
[evin___disco]: so
1022
00:43:35,952 --> 00:43:36,715
[sean_crowe]: an open standard
1023
00:43:36,598 --> 00:43:36,859
[evin___disco]: i think
1024
00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:37,658
[sean_crowe]: rather than just keeping
1025
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:37,660
[evin___disco]: one
1026
00:43:37,699 --> 00:43:38,482
[sean_crowe]: that for themselves
1027
00:43:38,021 --> 00:43:38,842
[evin___disco]: really exciting
1028
00:43:38,542 --> 00:43:39,325
[sean_crowe]: and selling my data
1029
00:43:39,163 --> 00:43:45,033
[evin___disco]: part of the future that we're building
is that we can enable apt to consider
1030
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:51,405
[evin___disco]: a two way data market place where
they are creating a known brand around the
1031
00:43:51,445 --> 00:43:56,136
[evin___disco]: data they hand over to users so
if you open your data back pack
1032
00:44:05,242 --> 00:44:11,311
[evin___disco]: sorry guys um so if you open
your data back pack and you're able to
1033
00:44:11,432 --> 00:44:15,040
[evin___disco]: leverage your spotified listening credential to prove
1034
00:44:15,021 --> 00:44:15,681
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1035
00:44:15,221 --> 00:44:21,874
[evin___disco]: your membership in the intailorslift fandom you're
able to carry that with you to ticketing
1036
00:44:21,914 --> 00:44:26,642
[evin___disco]: platforms to get preferred access to tickets
to dating platforms to find people to go
1037
00:44:26,682 --> 00:44:32,612
[evin___disco]: out with who will come to the
concert with you to commerce retail platforms that
1038
00:44:32,652 --> 00:44:37,440
[evin___disco]: will curate you know look similar to
hers or esthetic similar to the ones that
1039
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:42,448
[evin___disco]: that taylor curates herself on um you
know whether it's tumilar interest or whatever and
1040
00:44:42,629 --> 00:44:49,360
[evin___disco]: so b able to easily address the
discoverability problem across planes and choose those experiences
1041
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:50,061
[evin___disco]: best suited to
1042
00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:50,173
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1043
00:44:50,101 --> 00:44:54,529
[evin___disco]: what you're feeling at the time helps
to remove a lot of friction in in
1044
00:44:54,569 --> 00:44:59,237
[evin___disco]: that process and get you more quickly
to the adventure that you started off seeking
1045
00:44:59,298 --> 00:44:59,819
[evin___disco]: in the first place
1046
00:45:07,971 --> 00:45:11,778
[sean_crowe]: got it so and the first part
you said i figure how you phrased it
1047
00:45:11,818 --> 00:45:18,329
[sean_crowe]: but basically it's a branding opportunity for
spotifye because this this is a spotify credential
1048
00:45:18,369 --> 00:45:21,515
[sean_crowe]: that i'm taking do all of these
places and this is more
1049
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,081
[evin___disco]: exactly
1050
00:45:21,996 --> 00:45:22,177
[sean_crowe]: touch
1051
00:45:22,141 --> 00:45:22,221
[evin___disco]: it's
1052
00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:22,558
[sean_crowe]: points
1053
00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:22,461
[evin___disco]: sort of
1054
00:45:22,638 --> 00:45:22,979
[sean_crowe]: with that
1055
00:45:22,842 --> 00:45:22,862
[evin___disco]: a
1056
00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:23,400
[sean_crowe]: brand
1057
00:45:23,142 --> 00:45:23,743
[evin___disco]: net new
1058
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:24,542
[sean_crowe]: if they can create
1059
00:45:24,885 --> 00:45:25,166
[evin___disco]: form
1060
00:45:24,943 --> 00:45:25,525
[sean_crowe]: that schema
1061
00:45:25,366 --> 00:45:26,027
[evin___disco]: of value
1062
00:45:25,705 --> 00:45:26,527
[sean_crowe]: and really brand it
1063
00:45:26,688 --> 00:45:26,829
[evin___disco]: so
1064
00:45:26,888 --> 00:45:27,509
[sean_crowe]: for themselves
1065
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:33,680
[evin___disco]: the more relevant pieces of information about
myself or you know tools or passes that
1066
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:34,361
[evin___disco]: i collect
1067
00:45:34,023 --> 00:45:34,043
[sean_crowe]: h
1068
00:45:34,742 --> 00:45:35,002
[evin___disco]: from
1069
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:34,911
[sean_crowe]: m
1070
00:45:35,864 --> 00:45:40,331
[evin___disco]: the spotify ecosystem then when i go
off into the big bag bad met verse
1071
00:45:40,531 --> 00:45:43,577
[evin___disco]: how much of my back pack is
owned by spotifyin
1072
00:45:43,592 --> 00:45:44,121
[sean_crowe]: okay
1073
00:45:43,617 --> 00:45:49,847
[evin___disco]: how much retail in the daily set
of tools and capabilities that i carry with
1074
00:45:49,947 --> 00:45:53,293
[evin___disco]: me is related to the experiences that
i have in that app and so for
1075
00:45:53,373 --> 00:45:58,181
[evin___disco]: some people you know like me i
love music and so muse represents a really
1076
00:45:58,221 --> 00:45:59,603
[evin___disco]: big portion of my life and so
1077
00:45:59,835 --> 00:45:59,856
[sean_crowe]: m
1078
00:45:59,944 --> 00:46:08,618
[evin___disco]: being able to accrue my experiences across
twitter spaces and concerts album listening parties and
1079
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,688
[evin___disco]: pre saving songs on streaming platforms listening
across streaming platform sharing content with my friends
1080
00:46:15,249 --> 00:46:19,777
[evin___disco]: you know all these different activities right
now aren't necessarily following me to provide a
1081
00:46:19,817 --> 00:46:20,137
[evin___disco]: complete
1082
00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:20,043
[sean_crowe]: oh
1083
00:46:20,198 --> 00:46:22,621
[evin___disco]: picture of my fantom but even as
an individual
1084
00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:22,627
[sean_crowe]: a
1085
00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:25,723
[evin___disco]: as we know a spot if i
wrapped it's pretty awesome to be able to
1086
00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:31,789
[evin___disco]: behold the totality of your activity around
a specific subject or group organization or brand
1087
00:46:40,612 --> 00:46:43,655
[sean_crowe]: so to talk about just a slightly
different use case
1088
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:44,031
[evin___disco]: oh
1089
00:46:43,775 --> 00:46:50,272
[sean_crowe]: for for us for content creators for
podcastersoutubers we were playing with this idea of
1090
00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:56,418
[sean_crowe]: issuing kind of a po app for
guests right what is the case to do
1091
00:46:56,518 --> 00:46:56,679
[sean_crowe]: this
1092
00:46:56,643 --> 00:46:56,763
[evin___disco]: so
1093
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:58,447
[sean_crowe]: v verifiable
1094
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,641
[evin___disco]: there are
1095
00:46:58,528 --> 00:46:59,194
[sean_crowe]: credentials
1096
00:46:58,801 --> 00:47:00,424
[evin___disco]: a lot of different ways that we
can
1097
00:47:00,481 --> 00:47:01,185
[sean_crowe]: not do this with an
1098
00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:01,906
[evin___disco]: recognize
1099
00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:01,527
[sean_crowe]: n f t
1100
00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:02,687
[evin___disco]: the contributions
1101
00:47:02,271 --> 00:47:02,991
[sean_crowe]: oh
1102
00:47:02,747 --> 00:47:08,277
[evin___disco]: and participation of different people in our
spaces i think the verifiable credentials are uniquely
1103
00:47:08,317 --> 00:47:12,524
[evin___disco]: well suited here because as much as
i love poets i love to you know
1104
00:47:12,604 --> 00:47:16,310
[evin___disco]: collect them they are kind of like
stickers in that they don't say a lot
1105
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:19,976
[evin___disco]: about the person who holds them and
so if i come into custody
1106
00:47:19,701 --> 00:47:20,105
[sean_crowe]: oh
1107
00:47:20,116 --> 00:47:21,619
[evin___disco]: of a po ap that doesn't necessarily
1108
00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:21,416
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1109
00:47:21,819 --> 00:47:28,290
[evin___disco]: me that i you know am that
that it is representative of my experience so
1110
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:30,614
[evin___disco]: if i have a pop that says
that i was a guest on the show
1111
00:47:30,734 --> 00:47:33,399
[evin___disco]: that doesn't necessarily mean i was a
guest on the show that just means that
1112
00:47:33,439 --> 00:47:37,225
[evin___disco]: a given toke i d has been
mapped to my public key and that token
1113
00:47:37,305 --> 00:47:42,474
[evin___disco]: i d points to r i with
j peg says that i was pro participant
1114
00:47:42,534 --> 00:47:45,779
[evin___disco]: on a given show so it's sort
of a proof of acquisition if you were
1115
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:48,243
[evin___disco]: it comes to personal experiences
1116
00:47:47,931 --> 00:47:48,621
[sean_crowe]: yeh
1117
00:47:48,784 --> 00:47:49,405
[evin___disco]: and especially
1118
00:47:49,122 --> 00:47:49,305
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1119
00:47:49,465 --> 00:47:52,911
[evin___disco]: for something like participating on a show
where it's very explicit there is
1120
00:47:52,894 --> 00:47:53,481
[sean_crowe]: hm
1121
00:47:53,051 --> 00:47:53,472
[evin___disco]: a known
1122
00:47:53,481 --> 00:47:53,744
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1123
00:47:53,612 --> 00:47:56,657
[evin___disco]: show you are a non individual that's
the kind of proof that you're going to
1124
00:47:56,697 --> 00:48:00,404
[evin___disco]: want to be really proud of carry
with you and other parties might rely upon
1125
00:48:00,664 --> 00:48:03,629
[evin___disco]: such as you know future podcasts that
want to see you know actually been on
1126
00:48:03,689 --> 00:48:07,555
[evin___disco]: a podcast before and having this proof
might be relevant to them so the consequence
1127
00:48:07,716 --> 00:48:11,442
[evin___disco]: of the data i think makes it
a little more important which primitive you use
1128
00:48:11,923 --> 00:48:16,450
[evin___disco]: i think pops are super awesome and
fun and wonderful but they're also kind of
1129
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:19,956
[evin___disco]: limited to the vmecosystem so if you
want to be able to surface this data
1130
00:48:20,757 --> 00:48:24,384
[evin___disco]: outside of the ecosystem or in a
web tube context in a little bit more
1131
00:48:24,444 --> 00:48:28,310
[evin___disco]: friendly manner this might be a good
good primitive for you to look into so
1132
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:32,357
[evin___disco]: we would love to help you guys
set up verifiable credentials for your guests would
1133
00:48:32,397 --> 00:48:36,163
[evin___disco]: be happy to put that together we
actually already have a guest speaker credential so
1134
00:48:36,243 --> 00:48:39,507
[evin___disco]: it's just a matter of you stick
in your sticking your logo on it and
1135
00:48:39,527 --> 00:48:40,549
[evin___disco]: we can get those issues right away
1136
00:48:43,673 --> 00:48:43,796
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1137
00:48:44,538 --> 00:48:44,758
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
1138
00:48:48,141 --> 00:48:48,961
[sean_crowe]: cool yeah
1139
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:49,272
[evin___disco]: yeah
1140
00:48:49,642 --> 00:48:50,823
[sean_crowe]: let's do that that'll be really cool
1141
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:52,021
[evin___disco]: so we're
1142
00:48:51,964 --> 00:48:51,984
[sean_crowe]: i
1143
00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:52,241
[evin___disco]: really
1144
00:48:52,084 --> 00:48:52,465
[sean_crowe]: imagine
1145
00:48:52,301 --> 00:48:52,662
[evin___disco]: excited
1146
00:48:52,545 --> 00:48:53,005
[sean_crowe]: you have
1147
00:48:52,742 --> 00:48:53,503
[evin___disco]: to not
1148
00:48:53,486 --> 00:48:53,926
[sean_crowe]: hundreds
1149
00:48:53,584 --> 00:48:54,325
[evin___disco]: only have those guest
1150
00:48:54,246 --> 00:48:54,306
[sean_crowe]: of
1151
00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:54,585
[evin___disco]: speaker
1152
00:48:54,427 --> 00:48:54,987
[sean_crowe]: guest speaker
1153
00:48:54,665 --> 00:48:55,186
[evin___disco]: credentials
1154
00:48:55,207 --> 00:48:55,648
[sean_crowe]: credentials
1155
00:48:55,306 --> 00:48:55,787
[evin___disco]: but also
1156
00:48:55,728 --> 00:48:56,048
[sean_crowe]: in your back
1157
00:48:56,088 --> 00:48:56,188
[evin___disco]: to
1158
00:48:56,108 --> 00:48:56,268
[sean_crowe]: back
1159
00:48:56,248 --> 00:48:56,428
[evin___disco]: allow
1160
00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:56,569
[sean_crowe]: at this
1161
00:48:56,508 --> 00:48:56,709
[evin___disco]: people
1162
00:48:56,629 --> 00:48:56,829
[sean_crowe]: point
1163
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:59,634
[evin___disco]: to take them to different spaces so
when you apply for
1164
00:48:59,568 --> 00:49:00,438
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
1165
00:48:59,661 --> 00:49:00,441
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1166
00:49:00,034 --> 00:49:02,719
[evin___disco]: a speaking engagement being able to surface
all of those credentials
1167
00:49:02,871 --> 00:49:03,133
[sean_crowe]: oh
1168
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:04,963
[evin___disco]: or for example if you're
1169
00:49:05,092 --> 00:49:05,112
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
1170
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:05,211
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1171
00:49:05,183 --> 00:49:10,273
[evin___disco]: teaching a course or leading a workshop
being able to share those credentials of experience
1172
00:49:09,987 --> 00:49:10,008
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
1173
00:49:10,353 --> 00:49:11,555
[evin___disco]: with with other folks
1174
00:49:11,471 --> 00:49:11,491
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
1175
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:14,541
[evin___disco]: who are in your community could be
really relevant oh
1176
00:49:14,748 --> 00:49:18,754
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah i wanted to pick your brain
1177
00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:18,810
[evin___disco]: m
1178
00:49:18,995 --> 00:49:21,198
[thomas_gorczynski]: and just see like how
1179
00:49:21,391 --> 00:49:21,533
[sean_crowe]: yep
1180
00:49:21,439 --> 00:49:21,799
[thomas_gorczynski]: crazy
1181
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:23,130
[evin___disco]: yeah
1182
00:49:22,701 --> 00:49:26,307
[thomas_gorczynski]: this code can get into the future
or like how how like fun let's
1183
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:26,340
[evin___disco]: m
1184
00:49:26,347 --> 00:49:28,020
[thomas_gorczynski]: see that way um so
1185
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,307
[evin___disco]: oh
1186
00:49:29,028 --> 00:49:33,535
[thomas_gorczynski]: level one is universe like you complete
a course you get
1187
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,651
[evin___disco]: my
1188
00:49:34,457 --> 00:49:36,781
[thomas_gorczynski]: you add to your back back that
like hey i completed
1189
00:49:36,459 --> 00:49:36,480
[evin___disco]: m
1190
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:38,563
[thomas_gorczynski]: this you know of course
1191
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:38,759
[evin___disco]: yes
1192
00:49:39,004 --> 00:49:45,575
[thomas_gorczynski]: i have this capability level a kind
of complexity is the whole do situation where
1193
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:48,680
[thomas_gorczynski]: you contribute to a dot you can
go to another one and now you have
1194
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:54,250
[thomas_gorczynski]: this proof that you've done this work
what are like what's three or four or
1195
00:49:54,350 --> 00:50:00,099
[thomas_gorczynski]: five like something that isn't applicable yet
in today's kind of world and state of
1196
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:05,672
[thomas_gorczynski]: web three but you can force into
the future that's just kind mind blowing
1197
00:50:07,361 --> 00:50:12,529
[evin___disco]: so a fun example that a lot
of friends like to talk about when we
1198
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:17,738
[evin___disco]: think about discoverability is disco as the
basis for a dating ap so you know
1199
00:50:17,878 --> 00:50:21,625
[evin___disco]: at the end of the day being
able to identify a sub set of your
1200
00:50:21,725 --> 00:50:29,097
[evin___disco]: data and the compatibility or fitness or
similarity of that data to someone else's able
1201
00:50:29,137 --> 00:50:33,344
[evin___disco]: to compare the same part of differen
data back facts um in a trust minimized
1202
00:50:33,424 --> 00:50:37,972
[evin___disco]: way without a centralized authority you know
taking advantage of that data and reselling it
1203
00:50:38,032 --> 00:50:42,660
[evin___disco]: et cetera m that's got the basis
for discoverability of human beings being able to
1204
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:48,409
[evin___disco]: find one another and so that also
invites us to explore things like secure computation
1205
00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:53,498
[evin___disco]: over that data in an incrypted form
that also invites us to contemplate how do
1206
00:50:53,538 --> 00:50:56,763
[evin___disco]: we even define these parts an is
what does it mean for me to hold
1207
00:50:56,984 --> 00:51:01,932
[evin___disco]: on to copies of my references and
to allow those for first secure computation to
1208
00:51:02,433 --> 00:51:06,840
[evin___disco]: find other people know whether that's finding
friends to go skiing finding someone go out
1209
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:10,664
[evin___disco]: with on saturday night or finding copanalists
for an event there are a lot of
1210
00:51:10,704 --> 00:51:16,752
[evin___disco]: different ways that we can imagine human
to human discoverability can provide a lot of
1211
00:51:16,872 --> 00:51:20,358
[evin___disco]: new lot of new openings or open
a lot of new doors rather for us
1212
00:51:20,418 --> 00:51:20,979
[evin___disco]: in this community
1213
00:51:24,685 --> 00:51:25,200
[evin___disco]: hm
1214
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:29,761
[evin___disco]: oh
1215
00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:33,688
[sean_crowe]: so last question us because that popped
up there when you said that do so
1216
00:51:33,809 --> 00:51:36,132
[sean_crowe]: like as an apt developer if i
utilized the
1217
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:36,181
[evin___disco]: so
1218
00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:36,713
[sean_crowe]: verifiable
1219
00:51:36,601 --> 00:51:36,761
[evin___disco]: right
1220
00:51:36,754 --> 00:51:37,054
[sean_crowe]: grentials
1221
00:51:36,822 --> 00:51:37,222
[evin___disco]: now we're
1222
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:37,294
[sean_crowe]: from the
1223
00:51:37,262 --> 00:51:37,523
[evin___disco]: playing
1224
00:51:37,314 --> 00:51:37,615
[sean_crowe]: data back
1225
00:51:37,563 --> 00:51:37,663
[evin___disco]: with
1226
00:51:37,675 --> 00:51:37,815
[sean_crowe]: pack
1227
00:51:37,703 --> 00:51:38,324
[evin___disco]: the spectrum
1228
00:51:37,935 --> 00:51:38,977
[sean_crowe]: do i have visibility
1229
00:51:38,725 --> 00:51:38,905
[evin___disco]: of
1230
00:51:39,097 --> 00:51:39,338
[sean_crowe]: into
1231
00:51:39,246 --> 00:51:39,646
[evin___disco]: privacy
1232
00:51:39,398 --> 00:51:39,919
[sean_crowe]: that specific
1233
00:51:39,706 --> 00:51:40,287
[evin___disco]: and publicity
1234
00:51:39,979 --> 00:51:40,219
[sean_crowe]: data
1235
00:51:40,347 --> 00:51:40,468
[evin___disco]: that
1236
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,480
[sean_crowe]: or
1237
00:51:40,508 --> 00:51:40,588
[evin___disco]: we
1238
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:40,640
[sean_crowe]: is
1239
00:51:40,648 --> 00:51:40,748
[evin___disco]: can
1240
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:40,860
[sean_crowe]: it
1241
00:51:40,828 --> 00:51:41,229
[evin___disco]: achieve
1242
00:51:41,122 --> 00:51:41,343
[sean_crowe]: i he
1243
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:41,970
[evin___disco]: between
1244
00:51:41,424 --> 00:51:41,746
[sean_crowe]: skated
1245
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:45,837
[evin___disco]: data that's incrypted and now only to
your keys and data that's public for everyone
1246
00:51:45,897 --> 00:51:48,120
[evin___disco]: on earth in space with an internet
connection on a public
1247
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,831
[sean_crowe]: hm
1248
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,431
[evin___disco]: ledger so some of the ways that
we can explore that includes decrypting data only
1249
00:51:54,531 --> 00:51:59,580
[evin___disco]: at the applayer for the end user
so there are a variety of differe
1250
00:51:59,541 --> 00:51:59,561
[sean_crowe]: m
1251
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:03,967
[evin___disco]: ways also that we can compute upon
data and learn something about it without revealing
1252
00:52:04,167 --> 00:52:05,009
[evin___disco]: its plain text
1253
00:52:05,032 --> 00:52:05,053
[sean_crowe]: m
1254
00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:06,170
[evin___disco]: and
1255
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:06,261
[sean_crowe]: m
1256
00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:08,735
[evin___disco]: so that sort of gets a little
bit more into the math of magic of
1257
00:52:08,835 --> 00:52:13,843
[evin___disco]: cryptography and so exactly yes it's just
sprinkle some zqs on it that's like the
1258
00:52:13,883 --> 00:52:16,588
[evin___disco]: vibe this week and so so sort
of that
1259
00:52:16,572 --> 00:52:16,693
[sean_crowe]: some
1260
00:52:16,668 --> 00:52:17,109
[evin___disco]: whole
1261
00:52:16,753 --> 00:52:17,215
[sean_crowe]: zqs
1262
00:52:17,369 --> 00:52:20,514
[evin___disco]: like area of the universe is what
allows us
1263
00:52:20,571 --> 00:52:20,711
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1264
00:52:20,755 --> 00:52:27,184
[evin___disco]: to examine more use our privacy preservation
while still enjoying the same level of data
1265
00:52:27,224 --> 00:52:31,589
[evin___disco]: availability and persistence that we would enjoy
from otherwise clearly accessible data in a local
1266
00:52:31,629 --> 00:52:31,989
[evin___disco]: data base
1267
00:52:38,271 --> 00:52:38,622
[sean_crowe]: oh
1268
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,062
[evin___disco]: absolutely
1269
00:52:40,091 --> 00:52:40,151
[sean_crowe]: ah
1270
00:52:40,483 --> 00:52:40,603
[evin___disco]: any
1271
00:52:40,633 --> 00:52:40,773
[sean_crowe]: love
1272
00:52:40,684 --> 00:52:40,824
[evin___disco]: time
1273
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:40,894
[sean_crowe]: it
1274
00:52:40,844 --> 00:52:41,065
[evin___disco]: we'll ee
1275
00:52:41,034 --> 00:52:41,215
[sean_crowe]: well
1276
00:52:41,085 --> 00:52:41,466
[evin___disco]: you guys in the
1277
00:52:41,456 --> 00:52:41,656
[sean_crowe]: evan
1278
00:52:41,486 --> 00:52:41,867
[evin___disco]: mediverse
1279
00:52:42,258 --> 00:52:45,127
[sean_crowe]: this was a blast we learned so
much thank you so much for being on
1280
00:52:45,148 --> 00:52:45,388
[sean_crowe]: the show
1281
00:52:49,492 --> 00:52:51,318
[sean_crowe]: sounds good give me one second here
and
00:00:30,902 --> 00:00:35,570
[sean_crowe]: welcome to another episode of built on
web three today we are so excited and
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[sean_crowe]: so lucky to chat with the one
and only
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[evin___disco]: m
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[sean_crowe]: evan
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[evin___disco]: g m everybody
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[sean_crowe]: mc mullen
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[evin___disco]: thank you
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[sean_crowe]: the
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[evin___disco]: so
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[sean_crowe]: c
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[evin___disco]: much for
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[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
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[sean_crowe]: o
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[evin___disco]: having
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[sean_crowe]: and
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[evin___disco]: me
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[sean_crowe]: founder of disco dot x
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[evin___disco]: i
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[sean_crowe]: z even welcome to the show
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[evin___disco]: ah
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[sean_crowe]: oh yeah
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[evin___disco]: that is indeed correct
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[sean_crowe]: as i was doing research i noticed
and you just mentioned you might be from
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[sean_crowe]: northeast ohio
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[evin___disco]: oh my
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[sean_crowe]: is
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[evin___disco]: gosh
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[sean_crowe]: that correct
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[evin___disco]: absolutely yes we would play hudson
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[sean_crowe]: i grew
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[evin___disco]: in
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[sean_crowe]: up
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[evin___disco]: sports
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[sean_crowe]: in hudson
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[evin___disco]: when i was a kid
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[thomas_gorczynski]: m
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[sean_crowe]: were you near there
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[evin___disco]: but um at disco when we talk
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[thomas_gorczynski]: so does this go does disco introduce
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[evin___disco]: so that's a really great question because
it invites us to contemplate what do we
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[evin___disco]: mean when we say decentralization do we
mean physically decentralized infrastructure that is bound to
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portability of data and its ability to move
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so that we do not experience platform locking
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[evin___disco]: do we mean decentralization and that no
um you know single party has the ability
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um and so there are a lot there's
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[evin___disco]: a lot of nuance in this definition
when we think about the role of data
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[evin___disco]: that's written a person or an organization
individual party even be an entity like a
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about the sovereignty especially of those now the
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we talk about self sovereignty it does we
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data has the most control over the data
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[evin___disco]: that describes it and so that doesn't
mean complete control and total control of course
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[evin___disco]: that just means ore control than any
other party and so what we are implying
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[evin___disco]: here is a logical centralization of control
around the data subject around the person that
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[evin___disco]: it's written about but that can all
so repaired with a physical decentralization of the
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[evin___disco]: places where that data is actually stored
so different kinds of data can be appropriate
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[evin___disco]: to be stored in different sorts of
places based on the amount of availability we
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[evin___disco]: need sort of mutability or efhemerality of
that data or need for it to persist
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[evin___disco]: or to go away or change in
involve and so all of those different variables
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[evin___disco]: can influence the best way store stash
that data especially now depending on how often
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and so it's really important for us to
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[evin___disco]: ensure that no matter what we prioritize
the sovereignty and informed consent of individual users
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[evin___disco]: so that they are able to understand
and interact with the work product that is
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[evin___disco]: their data you know after all it
only this as a result of their actions
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[evin___disco]: and the choices that they make um
interacting with these various difdifferent applications and so
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[evin___disco]: we can also create much more business
efficient environment on the out side if but
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[evin___disco]: he's not starting redundant copies of information
that all take up the same amount of
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[evin___disco]: space and all need to be stashed
and stashed somewhere and you no reference on
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[evin___disco]: non zero basis and so were able
to hopefully explore better g p r compliance
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[evin___disco]: and not having to worry about things
like the physical storage and insurance and protection
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[evin___disco]: of duplicate copies of data that otherwise
could very simply be provided with usable credential
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[sean_crowe]: development perspective just out of curiosity how
so how would that work with what you
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[sean_crowe]: guys have built so if if i'm
building an ap and i don't want to
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[sean_crowe]: one's data
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[evin___disco]: occupy
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[sean_crowe]: and use their preferences
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[evin___disco]: a couple o different
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[sean_crowe]: as a developer
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roles in the life cycle of a credential
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[evin___disco]: or the life cycle of the data
that describes a person you can be the
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[evin___disco]: kind of party that is issuing that
data that is handing over statements written about
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[evin___disco]: that individual user organization that they can
and carry with them
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: to other spaces or you're a relying
party or a verifyer your application is looking
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[evin___disco]: to rely upon data that comes to
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[evin___disco]: the example that you just outlined so
for both of these partnerships we have to
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[evin___disco]: think about you know what is the
interaction that they're really trying to achieve so
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[evin___disco]: in terms of issuance it's about how
do i select the right credential schema how
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: create the right form so it's still
be three compliant and resolvable and how do
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[evin___disco]: i ensure that that's issued and signed
in a way that the keys that present
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[evin___disco]: it that sign issue it or belong
to a party that has authority over the
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[evin___disco]: contents it contains so that it can
be useful and then on the verifier side
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[evin___disco]: we've got to ask who signed this
crit tell um is it valid or valid
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[evin___disco]: for the purposes that i need so
is the cryptography intact is the signature sort
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[evin___disco]: of resolvable as expected is the date
of idity in tact has it not expired
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[evin___disco]: or not been revoked um so additionally
a little bit of nuance here is that
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[evin___disco]: even if a credential has expired or
been revoked it can still be used for
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[evin___disco]: certain purposes so you can imagine even
if your driver's license is expired it can
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[evin___disco]: still be useful to prove that you
are over a certain age so we've got
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[evin___disco]: a lot of flexibility in the way
we can interpret this data but a really
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[evin___disco]: nice thing about the disco e goes
them is that we make
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[evin___disco]: these sorts of nuance questions pretty easy
to answer we have an a pi that
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[evin___disco]: allows applications to validate credentials that user
presents a and call those credentials hat are
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[evin___disco]: related to users given public address so
make it easy to access and then analyze
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[evin___disco]: those credentials and ensure that they are
indeed the droits that you're looking for the
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[evin___disco]: qualifications or trades you're seeking to unlock
access to an experience or to be able
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[evin___disco]: to provide a given service and then
this sort of more wholistic view of what
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[evin___disco]: the data is allows you to do
find on your end you know what are
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[evin___disco]: the rules that we have in our
community and our app an our ecosystem how
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[evin___disco]: is it that we make sense of
this data that's being presented and then on
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[evin___disco]: the issuemant side and sort of like
credential management and resolution clients had resolution side
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[evin___disco]: we're building out our s d k
we're also really excited to have a schema
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[evin___disco]: builder capability that will allow anyone to
in vision a new kind of credential whatever
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[evin___disco]: that might be whether that's a proof
a vives a proof that you came to
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[evin___disco]: my dinner party
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: a proof that
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[sean_crowe]: cool
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[evin___disco]: you know i vouch for you to
date one of my friends whatever those things
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[evin___disco]: are you know probably more likely financial
kinds of contributions to doze but whatever those
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[evin___disco]: are folks are going to be able
to define their own
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[sean_crowe]: he
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[evin___disco]: with a simplicity of creating a google
pole so not having to right code and
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[evin___disco]: be careful about structure and sort of
spect compliance as we currently have to today
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[sean_crowe]: yeah i
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[sean_crowe]: okay that's interesting so will this be
like an open market place of schemes like
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[sean_crowe]: does there have to be like be
consensus
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[evin___disco]: so anyone
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[sean_crowe]: of
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[evin___disco]: can
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[sean_crowe]: a
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[evin___disco]: create
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[evin___disco]: as
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[evin___disco]: many
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[sean_crowe]: shema
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[evin___disco]: schemes
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[evin___disco]: as they
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[evin___disco]: would
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[sean_crowe]: anyone
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[evin___disco]: like to and that
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[sean_crowe]: create
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[evin___disco]: is the beauty of
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[sean_crowe]: multiple
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[evin___disco]: open standards
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[sean_crowe]: schemes for the
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[evin___disco]: however
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[sean_crowe]: same thing
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[evin___disco]: we can achieve some really awesome network
effects if we're able to coordinate different organizations
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[evin___disco]: issuing resolving schemes in a shared understanding
and shared language so all the schemes don't
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[evin___disco]: necessarily have to be the same but
there needs to be some shared understanding of
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[evin___disco]: what they represent and the validity of
their issues so really
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[sean_crowe]: yeah
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[evin___disco]: fortunate activity that's happening right now is
that over at the world wide web consort
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[evin___disco]: the w three c the good people
who run the internet they not only have
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[evin___disco]: presented us with these textbooks for design
realized identifies and verifiable credentials but there are
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[evin___disco]: also some really inspiring leaders in the
identity space who have kicked off working groups
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[evin___disco]: to address just this need for global
repository of as similar to scheme a dot
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[evin___disco]: or but explicitly focused on verifiable credentials
and even the sort of
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: preferred or allowed lists of issuers or
signers that represent or govern a given a
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[evin___disco]: given scheme so you can gen that
a group of universities is going to be
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[evin___disco]: the appropriate party to be associated with
diploma credentials that pertain to their institutions
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[thomas_gorczynski]: but then if the university like if
a different university wanted to create their own
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[thomas_gorczynski]: scheme or like add on
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[sean_crowe]: oh
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[thomas_gorczynski]: meanwhile utilizing like the
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[thomas_gorczynski]: standard scheme that was for those universities
right
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[evin___disco]: so the nice thing about schemes is
that you can issue the same ones identical
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[evin___disco]: sort of schemes and fill them out
in different ways than other institutions you can
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based
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[sean_crowe]: i
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[evin___disco]: the creation of a new one
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[sean_crowe]: ah
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[evin___disco]: upon an existing structure and really the
choice of schema is important in so far
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[evin___disco]: as it is real vent to the
parties that will rely upon that credential in
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[evin___disco]: the future so ensuring that the folks
who want to be able to resolve and
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[evin___disco]: rely upon the data that you're encompassing
in a given credential you know if you're
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[evin___disco]: prioritizing that use ability that portability and
wanting to optimize for the number for the
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[evin___disco]: most verifying party is possible then you're
probably more than likely going to choose a
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already
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[sean_crowe]: yep that makes sense so of taking
a step back from more of like a
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[sean_crowe]: user side perspective can you kind of
walk us through what
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[evin___disco]: for
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[sean_crowe]: the
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[evin___disco]: sure
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[evin___disco]: disco
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[sean_crowe]: interacting
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[evin___disco]: bring
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[evin___disco]: your
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[sean_crowe]: their
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[evin___disco]: own keys
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[sean_crowe]: data
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[evin___disco]: experience
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[sean_crowe]: back pack
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[evin___disco]: right
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[sean_crowe]: and
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[evin___disco]: now
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[sean_crowe]: even
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[evin___disco]: although
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[evin___disco]: we're looking forward
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[sean_crowe]: their data
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[evin___disco]: to
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[sean_crowe]: back pack
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[evin___disco]: inviting users into a coustodial data back
pack experience in the future we can talk
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[evin___disco]: about that later but for now we
invite users to bring their evm compatible keys
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[evin___disco]: to the disco web app and then
connect their will with one click as they
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[evin___disco]: would normally web three tap on the
back end will generate a descent i sed
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[evin___disco]: identify or data back pack for you
and then invite you to fill out your
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[evin___disco]: profile one last time so choosing a
profile picture of brief vio creating a linkage
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[evin___disco]: that you own that dependently verifiable between
your data back
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: back and your twitter handle your dens
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[sean_crowe]: m
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[evin___disco]: record or website your discord
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being able to interact with a disco web
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00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:13,796
[evin___disco]: app feels a little bit like a
personal settings page and apple wallet all wrapped
490
00:19:13,856 --> 00:19:20,026
[evin___disco]: into one so your data back pack
is a collection of credentials rectangular j pegs
491
00:19:20,106 --> 00:19:26,998
[evin___disco]: that you self custody that allow you
to unlock different privileges and also you know
492
00:19:27,198 --> 00:19:31,585
[evin___disco]: interact with with other users in a
social manner so you can send and receive
493
00:19:31,706 --> 00:19:36,293
[evin___disco]: g m credentials which are kind of
like facebook style pokes and snaps with other
494
00:19:36,414 --> 00:19:41,662
[evin___disco]: users snaps are similar to kudos they
allow you to recognize another another
495
00:19:41,481 --> 00:19:41,501
[sean_crowe]: m
496
00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:42,163
[evin___disco]: data
497
00:19:42,171 --> 00:19:42,861
[sean_crowe]: hm
498
00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:42,924
[evin___disco]: back pack owner
499
00:19:42,861 --> 00:19:43,106
[sean_crowe]: yeah
500
00:19:43,325 --> 00:19:48,394
[evin___disco]: for their unique contributions immaculate vibes et
cetera um and then we also have a
501
00:19:48,434 --> 00:19:53,322
[evin___disco]: number of organizations that are issuing credentials
of membership in good standing to the folks
502
00:19:53,482 --> 00:19:57,148
[evin___disco]: in their squads and so all of
those incoming credentials will show up for you
503
00:19:57,409 --> 00:20:03,919
[evin___disco]: in your in box um just array
of different j pegs rectangular jigs that if
504
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,669
[evin___disco]: you pop them open you can expand
them and see the decentralized identifiers or data
505
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:10,510
[evin___disco]: back that addresses
506
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:10,251
[sean_crowe]: m
507
00:20:11,011 --> 00:20:15,278
[evin___disco]: of the party that issued it the
party that received it that's you as well
508
00:20:15,499 --> 00:20:20,307
[evin___disco]: as pop open the full j w
t token so being able to interrogate it
509
00:20:20,367 --> 00:20:24,574
[evin___disco]: all the way down to the studs
if desire and then this inter face also
510
00:20:24,854 --> 00:20:28,801
[evin___disco]: as i mentioned makes it easy to
be able to send credentials to other users
511
00:20:29,322 --> 00:20:32,146
[evin___disco]: and the you can also write omen
about yourself so you can fill up your
512
00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:36,534
[evin___disco]: data back pack with some statement that
you write about yourself so this includes those
513
00:20:36,634 --> 00:20:43,425
[evin___disco]: preferences around ap experience like light or
dark mode language pronouns things like t shirt
514
00:20:43,505 --> 00:20:49,937
[evin___disco]: size even zodiac sign so where we're
really looking forward to soon integrating some other
515
00:20:50,017 --> 00:20:55,587
[evin___disco]: credential scheme as around achievement so things
like certificates of completion graduation and educational co
516
00:20:55,627 --> 00:20:56,448
[evin___disco]: heart participation
517
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:01,868
[evin___disco]: oh
518
00:21:04,371 --> 00:21:07,356
[sean_crowe]: so if i'm understanding this correctly then
there's a kind of the sub set of
519
00:21:07,437 --> 00:21:13,186
[sean_crowe]: credentials that are self issued that are
information about myself that only i could decide
520
00:21:13,286 --> 00:21:17,975
[sean_crowe]: on and then there's a set of
credenti as that are issued by other parties
521
00:21:18,095 --> 00:21:18,957
[sean_crowe]: like university
522
00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:19,670
[evin___disco]: exactly
523
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:19,940
[sean_crowe]: or
524
00:21:19,971 --> 00:21:21,313
[evin___disco]: yeah and often will
525
00:21:21,423 --> 00:21:21,583
[sean_crowe]: play
526
00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:22,295
[evin___disco]: differentiate
527
00:21:21,663 --> 00:21:22,405
[sean_crowe]: in a volley ball
528
00:21:22,335 --> 00:21:22,495
[evin___disco]: those
529
00:21:22,465 --> 00:21:22,686
[sean_crowe]: league
530
00:21:22,555 --> 00:21:22,735
[evin___disco]: types
531
00:21:22,706 --> 00:21:22,766
[sean_crowe]: and
532
00:21:22,796 --> 00:21:22,856
[evin___disco]: of
533
00:21:22,806 --> 00:21:22,906
[sean_crowe]: they
534
00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:23,437
[evin___disco]: credentials
535
00:21:22,986 --> 00:21:23,527
[sean_crowe]: say i did it
536
00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:27,003
[evin___disco]: as self attested credentials being the ones
that
537
00:21:26,942 --> 00:21:27,104
[sean_crowe]: yeah
538
00:21:27,123 --> 00:21:30,468
[evin___disco]: only i can decide about myself that
i can say about myself and those
539
00:21:30,348 --> 00:21:30,669
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
540
00:21:30,528 --> 00:21:35,986
[evin___disco]: are largely preferences or sort of personal
settings for how you would like to experience
541
00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:36,568
[evin___disco]: the metaverse
542
00:21:37,958 --> 00:21:39,821
[thomas_gorczynski]: so i think this is a kind
of like
543
00:21:39,789 --> 00:21:39,810
[evin___disco]: m
544
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:43,567
[thomas_gorczynski]: a neat segu into another topic because
jan and i did a deep dive on
545
00:21:43,627 --> 00:21:50,679
[thomas_gorczynski]: disco and by the way it was
like amongst our favorite and we something really
546
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:54,465
[thomas_gorczynski]: interesting about this co is how you
have to give consent that you like
547
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:55,292
[evin___disco]: uh
548
00:21:54,986 --> 00:21:56,970
[thomas_gorczynski]: these credentials this stuff
549
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:56,820
[evin___disco]: ah
550
00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:01,577
[thomas_gorczynski]: that's in your data back back is
something that you accept to versus someone just
551
00:22:01,617 --> 00:22:06,245
[thomas_gorczynski]: said age random stuff and span whether
that's like legal or illegal content so i
552
00:22:06,405 --> 00:22:11,995
[thomas_gorczynski]: love like a quick overview of that
for our listeners but then my question specifically
553
00:22:12,195 --> 00:22:19,647
[thomas_gorczynski]: is around what about the things um
that you did that might like maybe weren't
554
00:22:19,828 --> 00:22:27,020
[thomas_gorczynski]: so good for example like a speeding
ticket or maybe you had like an accident
555
00:22:27,621 --> 00:22:30,826
[thomas_gorczynski]: and you don't want that to show
up in your in your data back pack
556
00:22:30,906 --> 00:22:35,614
[thomas_gorczynski]: for like insurance records but it is
something that happened so it's like i can
557
00:22:35,975 --> 00:22:38,641
[thomas_gorczynski]: i can see like the positive things
but what about the negative things too
558
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,330
[evin___disco]: my
559
00:22:38,721 --> 00:22:39,946
[thomas_gorczynski]: that might actually happen with that
560
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:47,759
[evin___disco]: great question so when we think about
you know how we deliberately curate in and
561
00:22:47,819 --> 00:22:52,988
[evin___disco]: present information about ourselves in the real
world right now we have a pretty incredible
562
00:22:53,068 --> 00:22:58,317
[evin___disco]: degree of control over how that happens
when we understand that it's happening but when
563
00:22:58,357 --> 00:23:03,425
[evin___disco]: we interact with applications and services there's
this whole separate conversation happening behind our backs
564
00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:07,893
[evin___disco]: above our heads where applications are are
exchanging data about us that we don't have
565
00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:12,881
[evin___disco]: a lot of awareness about our ability
to to intervene in and so this is
566
00:23:12,941 --> 00:23:16,247
[evin___disco]: a double edged sort there are great
benefits of this in terms of you know
567
00:23:16,327 --> 00:23:19,752
[evin___disco]: automation the fact that we've gotten this
as a society in terms of being able
568
00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:23,178
[evin___disco]: to anticipate the kinds of things you
want to order from macdonald's at four o'clock
569
00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:27,465
[evin___disco]: in the morning on an app but
we also don't have the ability to enjoy
570
00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:32,454
[evin___disco]: a lot of the value that comes
with creating and re using and securing the
571
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:35,659
[evin___disco]: data that describes us in you know
the way that we prefer to move through
572
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:43,376
[evin___disco]: the world so what's really interesting about
web three public ledgers essentialized networks like etherium
573
00:23:43,436 --> 00:23:53,301
[evin___disco]: and bit coin is that the censorship
resistance and transparency they enable also necessarily requires
574
00:23:53,361 --> 00:24:01,875
[evin___disco]: an absence of consent at the wallet
layer so in the evmecosystem i cannot reject
575
00:24:03,077 --> 00:24:07,003
[evin___disco]: sort of using it out of the
key parer let's say from something like mad
576
00:24:07,084 --> 00:24:15,077
[evin___disco]: mask i cannot reject any token idea
that another wallet user wants to map to
577
00:24:15,177 --> 00:24:19,424
[evin___disco]: my public key if you know my
wallet address you know how to send something
578
00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:23,651
[evin___disco]: to me and of course we could
create all kinds of elaborate permission structures around
579
00:24:23,631 --> 00:24:23,855
[sean_crowe]: yeah
580
00:24:23,711 --> 00:24:29,641
[evin___disco]: this you know smart contracts that intercept
tokens and and things like that um but
581
00:24:30,262 --> 00:24:34,129
[evin___disco]: you know although that is also true
there is merit in observing the fact that
582
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:39,738
[evin___disco]: the default system as it exists exists
is one that does not involve consent when
583
00:24:40,018 --> 00:24:47,010
[evin___disco]: accepting public assets being associated with your
address now there are ways that you can
584
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:54,423
[evin___disco]: dissociate unwanted assets you can pay again
fee to burn that asset but now we've
585
00:24:54,463 --> 00:24:56,927
[evin___disco]: got to pay money to get rid
of things that we didn't want anyway sort
586
00:24:56,947 --> 00:25:00,212
[evin___disco]: of like you know having to pay
a fee to have someone scrape an unwonted
587
00:25:00,272 --> 00:25:02,596
[evin___disco]: bumper sticker off of your car but
588
00:25:03,081 --> 00:25:03,706
[sean_crowe]: oh
589
00:25:03,097 --> 00:25:04,379
[evin___disco]: but i think there is
590
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:04,481
[sean_crowe]: m
591
00:25:04,780 --> 00:25:15,117
[evin___disco]: lot more flexibility and native natively well
suited um you know features to verifiable credentials
592
00:25:15,177 --> 00:25:20,506
[evin___disco]: to describe lot of the data that
pertains to us as individuals as as human
593
00:25:20,546 --> 00:25:26,336
[evin___disco]: beings and so we're able to manage
with a little bit more discretion um which
594
00:25:26,837 --> 00:25:28,479
[evin___disco]: data assets we want to hang
595
00:25:28,431 --> 00:25:29,151
[sean_crowe]: yeah
596
00:25:28,539 --> 00:25:32,426
[evin___disco]: on and present and which we don't
whereas if someone's looking at our public address
597
00:25:32,927 --> 00:25:36,593
[evin___disco]: on block chain it's really hard to
decide which of these assets
598
00:25:36,711 --> 00:25:36,913
[sean_crowe]: oh
599
00:25:37,194 --> 00:25:41,160
[evin___disco]: did thomas and john want which of
these assets were air dropped gift it sent
600
00:25:41,281 --> 00:25:45,728
[evin___disco]: to them span to them that we're
unwanted so there's a lot of additional context
601
00:25:45,768 --> 00:25:49,114
[evin___disco]: that you've got to provide around public
assets when it pertains to how they got
602
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:58,008
[evin___disco]: mapped to a given public key you
know additional the inability to curate means that
603
00:25:58,389 --> 00:26:02,236
[evin___disco]: we put a lot of pressure on
the front ends of applications that display our
604
00:26:02,336 --> 00:26:08,045
[evin___disco]: on chain activity so we've got to
hide each application separately a silo set of
605
00:26:09,047 --> 00:26:13,214
[evin___disco]: unwanted assets now of course this is
another fund solution where verifiable credentials could come
606
00:26:13,294 --> 00:26:14,436
[evin___disco]: in and you could mark the assets
607
00:26:14,202 --> 00:26:14,242
[sean_crowe]: hm
608
00:26:14,496 --> 00:26:16,079
[evin___disco]: with credentials that you don't want to
see
609
00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:16,170
[sean_crowe]: eh
610
00:26:16,459 --> 00:26:20,642
[evin___disco]: and to carry that form to a
but you know totally beside the point um
611
00:26:21,584 --> 00:26:25,009
[evin___disco]: when we talk about negative reputation you
know i think that that's a really
612
00:26:24,731 --> 00:26:25,473
[sean_crowe]: oh interesting
613
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:31,260
[evin___disco]: valuable characteristic for us to contemplate in
any identity system and i'm so excited for
614
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,806
[evin___disco]: the day when we arrive when that's
going to be you know of the utmost
615
00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:40,295
[evin___disco]: importance up front like we are still
on party invitations you know where we're not
616
00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:44,121
[evin___disco]: quite at like the cartoral state and
speeding tickets and for
617
00:26:44,201 --> 00:26:44,341
[thomas_gorczynski]: yep
618
00:26:44,221 --> 00:26:45,884
[evin___disco]: my part i'm very excited
619
00:26:45,621 --> 00:26:46,386
[sean_crowe]: oh
620
00:26:45,964 --> 00:26:50,211
[evin___disco]: to welcome many more users into the
web three ecosystem before
621
00:26:50,331 --> 00:26:51,321
[sean_crowe]: yeah
622
00:26:50,392 --> 00:26:52,776
[evin___disco]: we start appealing to them with the
desirable
623
00:26:52,161 --> 00:26:52,466
[sean_crowe]: oh
624
00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:57,586
[evin___disco]: new experience of decentralized back in for
speeding tickets but i would prefer to throw
625
00:26:57,646 --> 00:26:58,208
[evin___disco]: parties first
626
00:26:59,481 --> 00:26:59,704
[sean_crowe]: uh
627
00:27:04,931 --> 00:27:06,674
[evin___disco]: well and also you know we're not
628
00:27:06,764 --> 00:27:07,104
[sean_crowe]: well i'm
629
00:27:07,134 --> 00:27:07,836
[evin___disco]: immediately
630
00:27:07,184 --> 00:27:08,125
[sean_crowe]: glad you're here doing
631
00:27:08,036 --> 00:27:08,617
[evin___disco]: eliminating
632
00:27:08,165 --> 00:27:08,786
[sean_crowe]: that because yeah
633
00:27:08,737 --> 00:27:09,438
[evin___disco]: the existence
634
00:27:08,926 --> 00:27:09,527
[sean_crowe]: nobody would get in
635
00:27:09,498 --> 00:27:09,558
[evin___disco]: of
636
00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:09,687
[sean_crowe]: web
637
00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:09,819
[evin___disco]: law
638
00:27:09,787 --> 00:27:09,947
[sean_crowe]: three
639
00:27:09,899 --> 00:27:10,420
[evin___disco]: enforcement
640
00:27:09,987 --> 00:27:10,848
[sean_crowe]: if that was the case
641
00:27:11,101 --> 00:27:16,450
[evin___disco]: like you know let's try to address
one at a time the daily experience is
642
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:22,440
[evin___disco]: in people's lives where we can remove
friction and add delight and value and there
643
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,482
[evin___disco]: are infinity
644
00:27:23,121 --> 00:27:23,343
[sean_crowe]: oh
645
00:27:23,562 --> 00:27:28,430
[evin___disco]: hypotheticals that we can you know concern
ourselves with when it comes to him much
646
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:32,136
[evin___disco]: higher gravity user data and we'll get
there we'll get there very soon but
647
00:27:32,034 --> 00:27:32,661
[sean_crowe]: hm
648
00:27:32,176 --> 00:27:38,687
[evin___disco]: we will not enjoy the privilege of
considering the consequences of our far reaching actions
649
00:27:38,747 --> 00:27:43,617
[evin___disco]: around sensitive data until we first figure
out how to have fun in web three
650
00:27:43,817 --> 00:27:48,635
[evin___disco]: in the metaphors and for those who
would like to first jump to systems of
651
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:53,543
[evin___disco]: punishment and negative reputation as we as
we take our very first steps in building
652
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:58,311
[evin___disco]: this new plane i invite us to
take a step back together and think about
653
00:27:58,672 --> 00:28:01,758
[evin___disco]: how can we make the space a
little bit more welcoming at least for its
654
00:28:01,798 --> 00:28:02,198
[evin___disco]: very start
655
00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:14,147
[sean_crowe]: yeah yeah this i had a twit
here pulled up i think you retweated it
656
00:28:14,708 --> 00:28:17,372
[sean_crowe]: and i think it was a quote
from you it was on clear but it
657
00:28:17,432 --> 00:28:22,401
[sean_crowe]: was the permanence of our public chains
are unintentionally diminishing the freedom for disenfranchised commun
658
00:28:22,481 --> 00:28:26,367
[sean_crowe]: it is by publicizing the very traits
used to discriminate against them and i feel
659
00:28:26,407 --> 00:28:30,734
[sean_crowe]: like that's exactly what we're talking about
here where you know you could get sent
660
00:28:30,855 --> 00:28:33,719
[sean_crowe]: these soul bound n f ts and
you have no choice in the matter and
661
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,964
[sean_crowe]: doxes basically and people know more about
you than you want them to know about
662
00:28:38,044 --> 00:28:39,145
[sean_crowe]: you and
663
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:40,233
[evin___disco]: that is absolutely
664
00:28:40,106 --> 00:28:40,206
[sean_crowe]: and
665
00:28:40,353 --> 00:28:40,674
[evin___disco]: all me
666
00:28:40,506 --> 00:28:40,726
[sean_crowe]: from the
667
00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:40,775
[evin___disco]: i
668
00:28:40,766 --> 00:28:40,966
[sean_crowe]: sounds
669
00:28:40,835 --> 00:28:40,975
[evin___disco]: feel
670
00:28:41,006 --> 00:28:41,066
[sean_crowe]: of
671
00:28:41,075 --> 00:28:41,316
[evin___disco]: really
672
00:28:41,146 --> 00:28:41,487
[sean_crowe]: it just
673
00:28:41,416 --> 00:28:41,858
[evin___disco]: strongly
674
00:28:41,547 --> 00:28:42,348
[sean_crowe]: go completely
675
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:42,439
[evin___disco]: about
676
00:28:42,428 --> 00:28:42,688
[sean_crowe]: solves
677
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:42,700
[evin___disco]: this
678
00:28:42,748 --> 00:28:42,928
[sean_crowe]: that
679
00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:43,081
[evin___disco]: that
680
00:28:43,048 --> 00:28:44,249
[sean_crowe]: by bringing these
681
00:28:44,164 --> 00:28:44,385
[evin___disco]: you know
682
00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:44,630
[sean_crowe]: credentials
683
00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:45,047
[evin___disco]: often
684
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:45,030
[sean_crowe]: off chain
685
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:48,959
[evin___disco]: public data that pertains to individuals
686
00:28:48,411 --> 00:28:48,754
[sean_crowe]: oh
687
00:28:50,183 --> 00:28:56,867
[evin___disco]: is more harmful when we're talking about
marginalized communities and having trades exposed that can
688
00:28:56,927 --> 00:29:02,877
[evin___disco]: be used to m yeah to disenfranchie
them to limit their options whether that's their
689
00:29:02,957 --> 00:29:09,027
[evin___disco]: race their gender their soc economic status
their region their primary language their citizenship and
690
00:29:09,108 --> 00:29:12,934
[evin___disco]: so if we want to create a
more equitable world a more level playing field
691
00:29:13,254 --> 00:29:20,204
[evin___disco]: in web three perhaps may be for
our a first act we don't replicate the
692
00:29:20,264 --> 00:29:24,269
[evin___disco]: systems of disenfranchisement that we know to
already exist
693
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:30,251
[sean_crowe]: m yeah m
694
00:29:33,282 --> 00:29:34,124
[sean_crowe]: do you have any specific
695
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:34,770
[evin___disco]: yeah
696
00:29:34,224 --> 00:29:34,946
[sean_crowe]: examples of that
697
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:35,020
[evin___disco]: so
698
00:29:35,087 --> 00:29:35,508
[sean_crowe]: that you're
699
00:29:35,481 --> 00:29:35,701
[evin___disco]: i think
700
00:29:35,708 --> 00:29:35,869
[sean_crowe]: you're
701
00:29:35,761 --> 00:29:35,901
[evin___disco]: about
702
00:29:35,889 --> 00:29:36,129
[sean_crowe]: looking
703
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:36,302
[evin___disco]: a lot
704
00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:36,530
[sean_crowe]: forward to
705
00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:36,603
[evin___disco]: on
706
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:36,671
[sean_crowe]: the
707
00:29:36,683 --> 00:29:36,863
[evin___disco]: many
708
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:37,092
[sean_crowe]: day that
709
00:29:37,103 --> 00:29:37,384
[evin___disco]: time
710
00:29:37,132 --> 00:29:37,513
[sean_crowe]: this comes
711
00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:38,105
[evin___disco]: horizons
712
00:29:37,553 --> 00:29:38,375
[sean_crowe]: to fruition that
713
00:29:38,666 --> 00:29:38,946
[evin___disco]: but
714
00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:39,498
[sean_crowe]: web three and disco
715
00:29:39,307 --> 00:29:39,407
[evin___disco]: the
716
00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:39,698
[sean_crowe]: could
717
00:29:39,728 --> 00:29:39,948
[evin___disco]: first
718
00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:39,979
[sean_crowe]: solve
719
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:46,659
[evin___disco]: that i'm particularly excited about is shortening
the time of on boarding into a community
720
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,826
[evin___disco]: organization right now when you join a
daw it's like your first day on the
721
00:29:50,906 --> 00:29:56,375
[evin___disco]: internet you have to hang out in
the discord participate contribute introduce yourself to everybody
722
00:29:56,496 --> 00:29:57,878
[evin___disco]: kind of farm that reputation
723
00:29:58,251 --> 00:29:58,572
[sean_crowe]: oh
724
00:29:58,379 --> 00:29:59,981
[evin___disco]: and there's lot of merit in
725
00:30:00,261 --> 00:30:01,010
[sean_crowe]: ye
726
00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:01,744
[evin___disco]: coming in hot to a community
727
00:30:01,641 --> 00:30:01,868
[sean_crowe]: oh
728
00:30:02,205 --> 00:30:07,454
[evin___disco]: and finding your nice and contributing but
once you make those contributions once you're core
729
00:30:07,554 --> 00:30:12,162
[evin___disco]: part of a guild you're writing the
newsletter organizing events and hosts twitter spaces it's
730
00:30:12,242 --> 00:30:16,209
[evin___disco]: really difficult to capture proofs of a
job well done when you do that work
731
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:20,776
[evin___disco]: and so very often if you want
to participate in another day perhaps take on
732
00:30:20,796 --> 00:30:24,382
[evin___disco]: another role or even move to a
new organization when you show up to their
733
00:30:24,402 --> 00:30:28,789
[evin___disco]: discord on day on it's like your
first day on the internet again and the
734
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:33,437
[evin___disco]: whole ground hog day repeats and so
being able to capture proofs of your work
735
00:30:33,497 --> 00:30:40,469
[evin___disco]: and your contribution whether those are your
individual preferences and proticipation in roles or the
736
00:30:40,509 --> 00:30:43,734
[evin___disco]: way that you've shown up for your
organization or community being able to bring that
737
00:30:43,835 --> 00:30:48,062
[evin___disco]: with you and show it as a
proof of contribution a new jobs to other
738
00:30:48,182 --> 00:30:52,950
[evin___disco]: daws to new organizations that proof of
accountability can be used in so many creative
739
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:58,699
[evin___disco]: ways by as also it's a high
assurance anticiple proxy that you're probably not a
740
00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:02,325
[evin___disco]: if you're showing up to twitter spaces
weekly and you're a good contributor and you
741
00:31:02,365 --> 00:31:06,793
[evin___disco]: always bring pizza or whatever and so
so you know i'm really looking forward to
742
00:31:06,953 --> 00:31:07,554
[evin___disco]: defining
743
00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:07,582
[sean_crowe]: uh
744
00:31:08,395 --> 00:31:09,337
[evin___disco]: with great granularity
745
00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:09,411
[sean_crowe]: h
746
00:31:09,537 --> 00:31:14,786
[evin___disco]: the different kinds of contribution that organizations
are excited to keep track of and allowing
747
00:31:14,966 --> 00:31:20,015
[evin___disco]: individual contributors to take custody of those
kinds of proofs so that we can lower
748
00:31:20,075 --> 00:31:24,166
[evin___disco]: the switching cost of moving from one
space and community another and web three and
749
00:31:24,246 --> 00:31:26,837
[evin___disco]: start to see the kind of portability
that we've always been promised
750
00:31:35,012 --> 00:31:39,179
[sean_crowe]: yet we we interviewed george from common
wealth that you introduced us to and it
751
00:31:39,219 --> 00:31:44,307
[sean_crowe]: was an awesome conversation about dows and
dow tooling what are some and i think
752
00:31:44,327 --> 00:31:47,894
[sean_crowe]: you guys are working with boys club
on like bata here so what are some
753
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:48,230
[evin___disco]: so
754
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:48,877
[sean_crowe]: credentials
755
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:48,891
[evin___disco]: we are so
756
00:31:48,977 --> 00:31:49,077
[sean_crowe]: that
757
00:31:48,991 --> 00:31:49,172
[evin___disco]: proud
758
00:31:49,117 --> 00:31:49,257
[sean_crowe]: you're
759
00:31:49,232 --> 00:31:49,312
[evin___disco]: and
760
00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:49,558
[sean_crowe]: starting
761
00:31:49,352 --> 00:31:49,672
[evin___disco]: excited
762
00:31:49,598 --> 00:31:49,678
[sean_crowe]: the
763
00:31:49,712 --> 00:31:49,773
[evin___disco]: to
764
00:31:49,779 --> 00:31:49,799
[sean_crowe]: c
765
00:31:49,813 --> 00:31:50,153
[evin___disco]: be working
766
00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:50,260
[sean_crowe]: being
767
00:31:50,193 --> 00:31:50,554
[evin___disco]: with boys
768
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,741
[sean_crowe]: issued
769
00:31:50,594 --> 00:31:51,155
[evin___disco]: club and
770
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:51,403
[sean_crowe]: within
771
00:31:51,215 --> 00:31:51,475
[evin___disco]: the very
772
00:31:51,463 --> 00:31:51,483
[sean_crowe]: a
773
00:31:51,555 --> 00:31:51,736
[evin___disco]: first
774
00:31:51,603 --> 00:31:51,944
[sean_crowe]: down
775
00:31:51,776 --> 00:31:52,177
[evin___disco]: credential
776
00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:52,345
[sean_crowe]: for work
777
00:31:52,257 --> 00:31:52,477
[evin___disco]: that they
778
00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:52,686
[sean_crowe]: people
779
00:31:52,537 --> 00:31:53,018
[evin___disco]: kicked off with
780
00:31:53,067 --> 00:31:53,167
[sean_crowe]: that
781
00:31:53,118 --> 00:31:53,178
[evin___disco]: is
782
00:31:53,227 --> 00:31:53,327
[sean_crowe]: are
783
00:31:53,278 --> 00:31:53,579
[evin___disco]: actually
784
00:31:53,387 --> 00:31:53,848
[sean_crowe]: doing within
785
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:54,000
[evin___disco]: the most
786
00:31:53,929 --> 00:31:54,089
[sean_crowe]: a do
787
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,105
[evin___disco]: popular one and what we see is
sort of the anchor credential not only in
788
00:31:57,265 --> 00:32:01,492
[evin___disco]: our growth strategy but also in the
strategy of so many com unities so this
789
00:32:01,552 --> 00:32:07,522
[evin___disco]: initial membership credential attests to an individual's
membership and good standing of that organization so
790
00:32:07,803 --> 00:32:13,131
[evin___disco]: this proof is private by default can
be revoked or set to expire and it
791
00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:18,020
[evin___disco]: is legible to or can be resolved
by the signature can be checked by more
792
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:21,405
[evin___disco]: than a hundred and fifty different kinds
of keys so etherium keys but coin keys
793
00:32:21,485 --> 00:32:25,151
[evin___disco]: keys that are derived from p g
p email a kind different stuff so it's
794
00:32:25,192 --> 00:32:30,781
[evin___disco]: very universally accessible information should the holder
decide that they want to share it um
795
00:32:30,941 --> 00:32:35,368
[evin___disco]: this credential can be used to access
google collaboration tools like google poles or slides
796
00:32:35,429 --> 00:32:41,158
[evin___disco]: or documents that kind of thing um
get hub repositories chat channels on telegram and
797
00:32:41,399 --> 00:32:48,270
[evin___disco]: discord as well as role titles discounts
and access to exclusive merchandise on shopifi as
798
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:54,360
[evin___disco]: well as access to privileged on chain
logic so gated n f t minting appropriate
799
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,068
[evin___disco]: only for that membership credential holder are
accessible only for that membership credential holder as
800
00:32:59,128 --> 00:33:03,956
[evin___disco]: well as we're starting to experiment with
permission to defy pools so how might we
801
00:33:04,056 --> 00:33:07,642
[evin___disco]: have a defy pool where you can
only deposit or interact with that smart contract
802
00:33:08,323 --> 00:33:12,671
[evin___disco]: if you have certain credentials off chain
so being able to have a go little
803
00:33:12,711 --> 00:33:16,637
[evin___disco]: file just to chase on blob that
you can carry around and interact in so
804
00:33:16,677 --> 00:33:21,185
[evin___disco]: many different spaces oh and i almost
forgot you can also you present that credential
805
00:33:21,285 --> 00:33:26,634
[evin___disco]: for verification to access physical spaces so
for en parties even you know secure
806
00:33:26,481 --> 00:33:26,745
[sean_crowe]: oh
807
00:33:26,975 --> 00:33:31,362
[evin___disco]: physical locations where you want to keep
track of who's in that space being able
808
00:33:31,582 --> 00:33:36,550
[evin___disco]: to have individual asset that has virtually
no marginal cost to create
809
00:33:36,831 --> 00:33:36,852
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
810
00:33:36,971 --> 00:33:39,956
[evin___disco]: and so universally valuable across
811
00:33:39,806 --> 00:33:41,088
[thomas_gorczynski]: i yeah
812
00:33:40,016 --> 00:33:43,823
[evin___disco]: so many different tools and planes i'm
just really excited to build out even more
813
00:33:43,638 --> 00:33:43,741
[thomas_gorczynski]: ye
814
00:33:44,203 --> 00:33:44,944
[evin___disco]: capabilities
815
00:33:44,838 --> 00:33:45,122
[thomas_gorczynski]: my
816
00:33:45,145 --> 00:33:49,372
[evin___disco]: as these communities grow and see migrations
to have that same
817
00:33:49,248 --> 00:33:49,268
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
818
00:33:49,432 --> 00:33:54,100
[evin___disco]: sort of point of access or combination
of access controls throughout their ecosystem so as
819
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,649
[evin___disco]: we add more roles and more types
of credentials pertaining to their contributions and participation
820
00:34:00,010 --> 00:34:03,866
[evin___disco]: then we'll be able to have even
more nuance access control to all these different
821
00:34:03,906 --> 00:34:04,207
[evin___disco]: spaces
822
00:34:05,778 --> 00:34:11,568
[thomas_gorczynski]: i think it's amazing and how like
literally an infinite amount of ways that this
823
00:34:11,608 --> 00:34:14,953
[thomas_gorczynski]: co can be used across like daws
to businesses
824
00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:14,875
[evin___disco]: oh
825
00:34:15,034 --> 00:34:17,397
[thomas_gorczynski]: to governments and so forth personal
826
00:34:17,415 --> 00:34:17,518
[evin___disco]: as
827
00:34:17,498 --> 00:34:21,925
[thomas_gorczynski]: preferences where do you think you're going
to be are you going to pick a
828
00:34:21,985 --> 00:34:27,594
[thomas_gorczynski]: particular focus like daws because that does
seem like it's such a huge potential of
829
00:34:27,635 --> 00:34:34,666
[thomas_gorczynski]: the future the other question i had
was what's the business model behind disco like
830
00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:39,695
[thomas_gorczynski]: do you have any benefit to working
with one type of organization or a kind
831
00:34:39,755 --> 00:34:43,865
[thomas_gorczynski]: of area than another or and how
do you make money
832
00:34:45,341 --> 00:34:53,154
[evin___disco]: so to address your second question first
we are currently experimenting with how we can
833
00:34:53,274 --> 00:34:59,665
[evin___disco]: contribute value to the application egosystem as
well as are our end users so by
834
00:34:59,825 --> 00:35:04,573
[evin___disco]: better understanding how much risk we are
removing from these application how much frustration and
835
00:35:04,673 --> 00:35:09,401
[evin___disco]: time complexity and drop off we're then
going to determine which so the flow we
836
00:35:09,501 --> 00:35:13,448
[evin___disco]: think have the most value at the
most value and represent services that we can
837
00:35:13,488 --> 00:35:20,259
[evin___disco]: charge for so my conjecture is that
relying parties applications that verify data that's bought
838
00:35:20,279 --> 00:35:26,850
[evin___disco]: to there door that they otherwise would
have to request and store will will participate
839
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:30,997
[evin___disco]: in a tired subscription structure will always
have a free ter for our de gens
840
00:35:31,057 --> 00:35:33,040
[evin___disco]: and our builders that definitely see
841
00:35:32,979 --> 00:35:32,999
[thomas_gorczynski]: h
842
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:34,964
[evin___disco]: an opportunity to have an a p
i call
843
00:35:34,707 --> 00:35:34,728
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
844
00:35:35,044 --> 00:35:35,685
[evin___disco]: based business
845
00:35:35,688 --> 00:35:36,558
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
846
00:35:35,745 --> 00:35:43,117
[evin___disco]: here also in the future we're really
excited about better enabling ego system of discoverability
847
00:35:42,888 --> 00:35:43,192
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
848
00:35:43,538 --> 00:35:48,186
[evin___disco]: having the disco tech or adapt store
essentially of different places where you can discover
849
00:35:48,827 --> 00:35:53,555
[evin___disco]: experiences that will be more personalized based
on the credentials that you've just obtained or
850
00:35:53,615 --> 00:35:58,142
[evin___disco]: interacted with in your data back pack
so being able to bridge the gap of
851
00:35:58,302 --> 00:36:01,428
[evin___disco]: finding places to go hang out in
web three and things to do with your
852
00:36:01,488 --> 00:36:06,055
[evin___disco]: keys that are going to be personalized
and interesting but not necessarily in a way
853
00:36:06,095 --> 00:36:10,531
[evin___disco]: that relies only upon funding your wallet
um m and then you know when we
854
00:36:10,591 --> 00:36:14,738
[evin___disco]: think about sort of how we how
we interact with this ego system all together
855
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,768
[evin___disco]: as users and as you know issuing
and relying parties we we really think about
856
00:36:20,988 --> 00:36:25,035
[evin___disco]: what is that wholes journey of the
life cycle of a credential how can we
857
00:36:25,235 --> 00:36:30,705
[evin___disco]: insure that we're bringing the maximum value
to the needs of the applications on both
858
00:36:30,785 --> 00:36:38,121
[evin___disco]: sides while respecting the informed cans privacy
and participation of the subject of data the
859
00:36:38,141 --> 00:36:40,828
[evin___disco]: human beings moving in between all of
these co ordination tools
860
00:36:50,051 --> 00:36:52,816
[sean_crowe]: i love it i don't know what
thomas said that made me think of this
861
00:36:52,876 --> 00:36:56,001
[sean_crowe]: question but sorry to go a little
more negative here but i was just thinking
862
00:36:56,041 --> 00:37:01,270
[sean_crowe]: about the security of that back packs
and kind of how disco is involved in
863
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:05,918
[sean_crowe]: that i guess from a decentralization question
as well but like if for example you
864
00:37:05,938 --> 00:37:06,799
[sean_crowe]: know how like f b i
865
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:07,572
[evin___disco]: oh
866
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,565
[sean_crowe]: goes to apple and they say give
me this data and apple says no and
867
00:37:10,605 --> 00:37:14,792
[sean_crowe]: then everyone's matt at apple if the
f b i came to disco and said
868
00:37:14,912 --> 00:37:15,052
[sean_crowe]: give
869
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:15,231
[evin___disco]: so
870
00:37:15,092 --> 00:37:16,354
[sean_crowe]: me this person's private
871
00:37:16,012 --> 00:37:16,733
[evin___disco]: your data
872
00:37:16,755 --> 00:37:17,235
[sean_crowe]: credential
873
00:37:17,114 --> 00:37:17,715
[evin___disco]: with disco
874
00:37:17,776 --> 00:37:18,176
[sean_crowe]: is that even
875
00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:18,276
[evin___disco]: as
876
00:37:18,257 --> 00:37:18,757
[sean_crowe]: possible
877
00:37:18,356 --> 00:37:18,937
[evin___disco]: it exists right
878
00:37:18,857 --> 00:37:18,957
[sean_crowe]: for
879
00:37:18,997 --> 00:37:19,157
[evin___disco]: now
880
00:37:18,997 --> 00:37:19,338
[sean_crowe]: you guys
881
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:19,738
[evin___disco]: is incrypted
882
00:37:19,458 --> 00:37:20,039
[sean_crowe]: to be forced
883
00:37:19,798 --> 00:37:20,279
[evin___disco]: against your
884
00:37:20,279 --> 00:37:20,359
[sean_crowe]: to
885
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:20,700
[evin___disco]: keys
886
00:37:20,419 --> 00:37:20,740
[sean_crowe]: do that
887
00:37:21,181 --> 00:37:27,972
[evin___disco]: by default and stored on the ceramic
network and so you and as the subject
888
00:37:28,012 --> 00:37:31,197
[evin___disco]: of that data the owner and controller
of it as well as the owner and
889
00:37:31,237 --> 00:37:38,169
[evin___disco]: control of the private key that overseas
its incription disco has no ability to intervene
890
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:43,979
[evin___disco]: between you and your data we could
receive that request and you know politely ask
891
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:44,880
[evin___disco]: you or let you know
892
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:44,781
[sean_crowe]: h
893
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,750
[evin___disco]: that it's been made but we have
no ability to seize and de crypt your
894
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:51,131
[evin___disco]: data
895
00:37:51,381 --> 00:37:53,013
[sean_crowe]: yes
896
00:37:51,513 --> 00:37:52,978
[evin___disco]: and share it with other parties
897
00:37:53,961 --> 00:37:54,264
[sean_crowe]: oh
898
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:58,043
[evin___disco]: oh
899
00:38:01,181 --> 00:38:05,624
[sean_crowe]: love it and are there any like
what is the biggest security risk then like
900
00:38:05,704 --> 00:38:05,865
[sean_crowe]: what
901
00:38:06,224 --> 00:38:06,364
[evin___disco]: so
902
00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:08,647
[sean_crowe]: what are hackers going to try to
poke their holes into here
903
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:08,810
[evin___disco]: we eat
904
00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:08,827
[sean_crowe]: can
905
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:08,950
[evin___disco]: with
906
00:38:08,907 --> 00:38:09,167
[sean_crowe]: someone
907
00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:09,311
[evin___disco]: our eyes
908
00:38:09,268 --> 00:38:09,508
[sean_crowe]: spoof
909
00:38:09,431 --> 00:38:09,692
[evin___disco]: first
910
00:38:09,608 --> 00:38:10,228
[sean_crowe]: my identity
911
00:38:09,872 --> 00:38:10,272
[evin___disco]: of course
912
00:38:10,308 --> 00:38:10,369
[sean_crowe]: and
913
00:38:10,653 --> 00:38:10,773
[evin___disco]: and
914
00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:10,969
[sean_crowe]: spoof
915
00:38:11,034 --> 00:38:11,154
[evin___disco]: so
916
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:11,670
[sean_crowe]: my credentials
917
00:38:11,294 --> 00:38:16,122
[evin___disco]: whatever we see has a pretty significant
bearing on the information that we believe to
918
00:38:16,182 --> 00:38:23,354
[evin___disco]: be true so as with all social
fishing and based misleading you know journeys intended
919
00:38:23,414 --> 00:38:27,381
[evin___disco]: to trick us we do have some
amount of risk because of course we're consuming
920
00:38:27,401 --> 00:38:30,747
[evin___disco]: this information through our eyeballs now there
are all kinds of trust cues that we're
921
00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:35,234
[evin___disco]: really excited about introducing and rolling the
coming months that will help to alleviate some
922
00:38:35,294 --> 00:38:36,596
[evin___disco]: of the concerns and allow
923
00:38:36,683 --> 00:38:37,491
[sean_crowe]: hm
924
00:38:36,757 --> 00:38:41,645
[evin___disco]: for an individual to interrogate an interaction
a little bit further than they can traditionally
925
00:38:41,705 --> 00:38:45,992
[evin___disco]: so that they can feel confidence you
know what the choices they're making inside of
926
00:38:46,052 --> 00:38:50,960
[evin___disco]: the app but i think we again
hit a bottle neck when we talk about
927
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,251
[evin___disco]: security around private key management and so
we're particularly excited about exploring some of the
928
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:57,561
[sean_crowe]: m
929
00:38:57,631 --> 00:39:03,060
[evin___disco]: unique properties of did documents documents are
like the decentralized link tray or set of
930
00:39:03,101 --> 00:39:06,807
[evin___disco]: directions or service and points for how
to interact with the decentralized identify or data
931
00:39:06,847 --> 00:39:11,635
[evin___disco]: back back in our world and one
of those capabilities for some decentralized identify our
932
00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:15,742
[evin___disco]: methods is the ability to rotate keys
so key rotation means that we can start
933
00:39:15,802 --> 00:39:19,788
[evin___disco]: off with a custodia or semi custodial
experience we can rotate the keys that sit
934
00:39:19,868 --> 00:39:21,331
[evin___disco]: behind public identify our
935
00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:21,646
[sean_crowe]: m
936
00:39:21,772 --> 00:39:25,959
[evin___disco]: and we can allow that individual organization
to ride off into the sunset as an
937
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:31,348
[evin___disco]: independent self custodial bank less entity umoukwowning
and controlling their data back pack and their
938
00:39:31,448 --> 00:39:37,017
[evin___disco]: assets so for that gentle on boarding
where we don't necessarily need to start off
939
00:39:37,057 --> 00:39:40,663
[evin___disco]: with private key management but we can
work up to it that does introduce a
940
00:39:40,763 --> 00:39:45,636
[evin___disco]: lot of potential concern is as we
an even larger market
941
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:45,801
[sean_crowe]: m
942
00:39:54,231 --> 00:39:56,633
[sean_crowe]: got to so i want to take
the last like ten or three minutes here
943
00:39:56,673 --> 00:39:59,776
[sean_crowe]: really to talk about use cases and
try to paint a picture of what this
944
00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:07,013
[sean_crowe]: world could look like with disco back
backs everywhere so what do you think the
945
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:07,914
[sean_crowe]: first experience
946
00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:07,633
[evin___disco]: so
947
00:40:07,954 --> 00:40:08,234
[sean_crowe]: someone
948
00:40:08,115 --> 00:40:08,397
[evin___disco]: if your
949
00:40:08,274 --> 00:40:08,494
[sean_crowe]: like
950
00:40:08,457 --> 00:40:08,839
[evin___disco]: parents
951
00:40:08,574 --> 00:40:09,235
[sean_crowe]: our parents will
952
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:09,241
[evin___disco]: are
953
00:40:09,295 --> 00:40:09,535
[sean_crowe]: have
954
00:40:09,804 --> 00:40:10,005
[evin___disco]: our
955
00:40:10,396 --> 00:40:11,157
[sean_crowe]: using the verified
956
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:11,680
[evin___disco]: up
957
00:40:11,698 --> 00:40:12,359
[sean_crowe]: verifiable
958
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,401
[evin___disco]: and running with their
959
00:40:12,419 --> 00:40:12,939
[sean_crowe]: credentials
960
00:40:12,501 --> 00:40:17,530
[evin___disco]: own private keys it's likely that the
first credential they'll receive is a membership credential
961
00:40:18,171 --> 00:40:20,294
[evin___disco]: even outside of that as we start
to
962
00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:21,032
[sean_crowe]: they're
963
00:40:20,995 --> 00:40:21,316
[evin___disco]: welcome
964
00:40:21,092 --> 00:40:21,192
[sean_crowe]: not
965
00:40:21,376 --> 00:40:25,443
[evin___disco]: more and more users with you know
ing levels of familiarity with the underlying
966
00:40:25,251 --> 00:40:25,434
[sean_crowe]: oh
967
00:40:25,483 --> 00:40:27,626
[evin___disco]: technology and sort of independent self custody
968
00:40:27,444 --> 00:40:28,071
[sean_crowe]: hm
969
00:40:28,568 --> 00:40:32,054
[evin___disco]: i think that membership credentials of one
form or another are highly likely to be
970
00:40:32,114 --> 00:40:36,060
[evin___disco]: the first that they interact with so
whether those are credentials of employment that attest
971
00:40:36,261 --> 00:40:38,204
[evin___disco]: to the fact that they work somewhere
972
00:40:38,118 --> 00:40:38,338
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
973
00:40:38,284 --> 00:40:42,331
[evin___disco]: whether those are credentials of membership in
a physical club
974
00:40:42,786 --> 00:40:43,287
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
975
00:40:42,952 --> 00:40:47,299
[evin___disco]: or a group or organization credentials as
the jumping off
976
00:40:47,162 --> 00:40:47,243
[thomas_gorczynski]: ah
977
00:40:47,379 --> 00:40:50,123
[evin___disco]: point of access across environments
978
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:50,410
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah
979
00:40:50,623 --> 00:40:54,748
[evin___disco]: to different groups and communities i think
will continue to be a really strong first
980
00:40:54,808 --> 00:40:55,249
[evin___disco]: experience
981
00:40:57,391 --> 00:41:03,461
[thomas_gorczynski]: um from a use case of like
developers utilizing disco and i was thinking about
982
00:41:03,481 --> 00:41:07,187
[thomas_gorczynski]: the business model to which i'm a
fan of i like that on like the
983
00:41:07,648 --> 00:41:15,942
[thomas_gorczynski]: call basis um will the business model
well you have a very fluid and direct
984
00:41:16,022 --> 00:41:20,409
[thomas_gorczynski]: relationship to developers such that like we
don't need to go through the like if
985
00:41:20,489 --> 00:41:24,115
[thomas_gorczynski]: i if you wanted to create a
financial app today and you need to use
986
00:41:24,255 --> 00:41:27,821
[thomas_gorczynski]: plat for example to you know hook
up the bank accounts and all this other
987
00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:33,050
[thomas_gorczynski]: stuff it's a process to get that
is it going to be way faster with
988
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:38,119
[thomas_gorczynski]: disco and kind of like an automatic
like per usage kind of like debit almost
989
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,927
[thomas_gorczynski]: to the developer for just like each
micro transaction for each a p i call
990
00:41:43,608 --> 00:41:43,768
[thomas_gorczynski]: that
991
00:41:43,611 --> 00:41:43,753
[evin___disco]: yeah
992
00:41:43,908 --> 00:41:45,252
[thomas_gorczynski]: such that you eliminate
993
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:45,182
[evin___disco]: oh
994
00:41:45,392 --> 00:41:48,740
[thomas_gorczynski]: all the kind of headache with getting
set up just like you're trying to make
995
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:53,463
[thomas_gorczynski]: it easier for users to use this
code to on board to no forms and
996
00:41:53,504 --> 00:41:53,705
[thomas_gorczynski]: stuff
997
00:41:54,471 --> 00:41:58,578
[evin___disco]: so we actually think a lot about
and the feedback that we've gotten so far
998
00:41:59,078 --> 00:42:03,666
[evin___disco]: has actually looked at these sort of
micro transaction based interactions is perhaps more cumbersome
999
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:11,639
[evin___disco]: and especially for you know for enterprise
applications that are you know thinking about their
1000
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,048
[evin___disco]: their own sort of financial relationship with
their vendors and parties they rely upon and
1001
00:42:17,128 --> 00:42:23,699
[evin___disco]: so we're loring more of a tired
rate limited subscription model where we will have
1002
00:42:24,481 --> 00:42:33,556
[evin___disco]: options for free participation as well as
virtually unlit i uncapped credential factory or verify
1003
00:42:33,716 --> 00:42:38,905
[evin___disco]: factory for those parties that are interacting
at scale so our objective and of course
1004
00:42:39,025 --> 00:42:43,012
[evin___disco]: will be really flexible with these models
but always you know learning and experimenting but
1005
00:42:43,052 --> 00:42:44,274
[evin___disco]: our objective is to remove as
1006
00:42:44,301 --> 00:42:44,542
[sean_crowe]: oh
1007
00:42:44,314 --> 00:42:46,078
[evin___disco]: much friction as possible from the
1008
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:46,290
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1009
00:42:46,138 --> 00:42:49,864
[evin___disco]: experience of our builders as well as
the experience of you know those rending that
1010
00:42:49,945 --> 00:42:52,129
[evin___disco]: the business teams associated with their apse
and services
1011
00:42:56,942 --> 00:42:57,044
[evin___disco]: ah
1012
00:43:00,892 --> 00:43:05,340
[sean_crowe]: so i'm definitely a hundred per cent
discopilled and i'm very bullish on this future
1013
00:43:06,421 --> 00:43:08,385
[sean_crowe]: but i'm curious are you seeing
1014
00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:08,979
[evin___disco]: oh
1015
00:43:08,505 --> 00:43:14,063
[sean_crowe]: any web two companies start to adopt
verify credentials because i'm just thinking of maybe
1016
00:43:14,144 --> 00:43:19,878
[sean_crowe]: like spotify for example in in this
world where they they can give me a
1017
00:43:19,918 --> 00:43:24,446
[sean_crowe]: credential or an n f t or
anything that says i am in the top
1018
00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:28,852
[sean_crowe]: point zero one percent of listeners of
taylor's left and i can take that to
1019
00:43:28,892 --> 00:43:34,019
[sean_crowe]: the concert and get unique experiences what's
in it for spotify to issue me very
1020
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,851
[sean_crowe]: valuable credentials with
1021
00:43:35,857 --> 00:43:35,977
[evin___disco]: so
1022
00:43:35,952 --> 00:43:36,715
[sean_crowe]: an open standard
1023
00:43:36,598 --> 00:43:36,859
[evin___disco]: i think
1024
00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:37,658
[sean_crowe]: rather than just keeping
1025
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:37,660
[evin___disco]: one
1026
00:43:37,699 --> 00:43:38,482
[sean_crowe]: that for themselves
1027
00:43:38,021 --> 00:43:38,842
[evin___disco]: really exciting
1028
00:43:38,542 --> 00:43:39,325
[sean_crowe]: and selling my data
1029
00:43:39,163 --> 00:43:45,033
[evin___disco]: part of the future that we're building
is that we can enable apt to consider
1030
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:51,405
[evin___disco]: a two way data market place where
they are creating a known brand around the
1031
00:43:51,445 --> 00:43:56,136
[evin___disco]: data they hand over to users so
if you open your data back pack
1032
00:44:05,242 --> 00:44:11,311
[evin___disco]: sorry guys um so if you open
your data back pack and you're able to
1033
00:44:11,432 --> 00:44:15,040
[evin___disco]: leverage your spotified listening credential to prove
1034
00:44:15,021 --> 00:44:15,681
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1035
00:44:15,221 --> 00:44:21,874
[evin___disco]: your membership in the intailorslift fandom you're
able to carry that with you to ticketing
1036
00:44:21,914 --> 00:44:26,642
[evin___disco]: platforms to get preferred access to tickets
to dating platforms to find people to go
1037
00:44:26,682 --> 00:44:32,612
[evin___disco]: out with who will come to the
concert with you to commerce retail platforms that
1038
00:44:32,652 --> 00:44:37,440
[evin___disco]: will curate you know look similar to
hers or esthetic similar to the ones that
1039
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:42,448
[evin___disco]: that taylor curates herself on um you
know whether it's tumilar interest or whatever and
1040
00:44:42,629 --> 00:44:49,360
[evin___disco]: so b able to easily address the
discoverability problem across planes and choose those experiences
1041
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:50,061
[evin___disco]: best suited to
1042
00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:50,173
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1043
00:44:50,101 --> 00:44:54,529
[evin___disco]: what you're feeling at the time helps
to remove a lot of friction in in
1044
00:44:54,569 --> 00:44:59,237
[evin___disco]: that process and get you more quickly
to the adventure that you started off seeking
1045
00:44:59,298 --> 00:44:59,819
[evin___disco]: in the first place
1046
00:45:07,971 --> 00:45:11,778
[sean_crowe]: got it so and the first part
you said i figure how you phrased it
1047
00:45:11,818 --> 00:45:18,329
[sean_crowe]: but basically it's a branding opportunity for
spotifye because this this is a spotify credential
1048
00:45:18,369 --> 00:45:21,515
[sean_crowe]: that i'm taking do all of these
places and this is more
1049
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,081
[evin___disco]: exactly
1050
00:45:21,996 --> 00:45:22,177
[sean_crowe]: touch
1051
00:45:22,141 --> 00:45:22,221
[evin___disco]: it's
1052
00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:22,558
[sean_crowe]: points
1053
00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:22,461
[evin___disco]: sort of
1054
00:45:22,638 --> 00:45:22,979
[sean_crowe]: with that
1055
00:45:22,842 --> 00:45:22,862
[evin___disco]: a
1056
00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:23,400
[sean_crowe]: brand
1057
00:45:23,142 --> 00:45:23,743
[evin___disco]: net new
1058
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:24,542
[sean_crowe]: if they can create
1059
00:45:24,885 --> 00:45:25,166
[evin___disco]: form
1060
00:45:24,943 --> 00:45:25,525
[sean_crowe]: that schema
1061
00:45:25,366 --> 00:45:26,027
[evin___disco]: of value
1062
00:45:25,705 --> 00:45:26,527
[sean_crowe]: and really brand it
1063
00:45:26,688 --> 00:45:26,829
[evin___disco]: so
1064
00:45:26,888 --> 00:45:27,509
[sean_crowe]: for themselves
1065
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:33,680
[evin___disco]: the more relevant pieces of information about
myself or you know tools or passes that
1066
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:34,361
[evin___disco]: i collect
1067
00:45:34,023 --> 00:45:34,043
[sean_crowe]: h
1068
00:45:34,742 --> 00:45:35,002
[evin___disco]: from
1069
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:34,911
[sean_crowe]: m
1070
00:45:35,864 --> 00:45:40,331
[evin___disco]: the spotify ecosystem then when i go
off into the big bag bad met verse
1071
00:45:40,531 --> 00:45:43,577
[evin___disco]: how much of my back pack is
owned by spotifyin
1072
00:45:43,592 --> 00:45:44,121
[sean_crowe]: okay
1073
00:45:43,617 --> 00:45:49,847
[evin___disco]: how much retail in the daily set
of tools and capabilities that i carry with
1074
00:45:49,947 --> 00:45:53,293
[evin___disco]: me is related to the experiences that
i have in that app and so for
1075
00:45:53,373 --> 00:45:58,181
[evin___disco]: some people you know like me i
love music and so muse represents a really
1076
00:45:58,221 --> 00:45:59,603
[evin___disco]: big portion of my life and so
1077
00:45:59,835 --> 00:45:59,856
[sean_crowe]: m
1078
00:45:59,944 --> 00:46:08,618
[evin___disco]: being able to accrue my experiences across
twitter spaces and concerts album listening parties and
1079
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,688
[evin___disco]: pre saving songs on streaming platforms listening
across streaming platform sharing content with my friends
1080
00:46:15,249 --> 00:46:19,777
[evin___disco]: you know all these different activities right
now aren't necessarily following me to provide a
1081
00:46:19,817 --> 00:46:20,137
[evin___disco]: complete
1082
00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:20,043
[sean_crowe]: oh
1083
00:46:20,198 --> 00:46:22,621
[evin___disco]: picture of my fantom but even as
an individual
1084
00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:22,627
[sean_crowe]: a
1085
00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:25,723
[evin___disco]: as we know a spot if i
wrapped it's pretty awesome to be able to
1086
00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:31,789
[evin___disco]: behold the totality of your activity around
a specific subject or group organization or brand
1087
00:46:40,612 --> 00:46:43,655
[sean_crowe]: so to talk about just a slightly
different use case
1088
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:44,031
[evin___disco]: oh
1089
00:46:43,775 --> 00:46:50,272
[sean_crowe]: for for us for content creators for
podcastersoutubers we were playing with this idea of
1090
00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:56,418
[sean_crowe]: issuing kind of a po app for
guests right what is the case to do
1091
00:46:56,518 --> 00:46:56,679
[sean_crowe]: this
1092
00:46:56,643 --> 00:46:56,763
[evin___disco]: so
1093
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:58,447
[sean_crowe]: v verifiable
1094
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,641
[evin___disco]: there are
1095
00:46:58,528 --> 00:46:59,194
[sean_crowe]: credentials
1096
00:46:58,801 --> 00:47:00,424
[evin___disco]: a lot of different ways that we
can
1097
00:47:00,481 --> 00:47:01,185
[sean_crowe]: not do this with an
1098
00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:01,906
[evin___disco]: recognize
1099
00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:01,527
[sean_crowe]: n f t
1100
00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:02,687
[evin___disco]: the contributions
1101
00:47:02,271 --> 00:47:02,991
[sean_crowe]: oh
1102
00:47:02,747 --> 00:47:08,277
[evin___disco]: and participation of different people in our
spaces i think the verifiable credentials are uniquely
1103
00:47:08,317 --> 00:47:12,524
[evin___disco]: well suited here because as much as
i love poets i love to you know
1104
00:47:12,604 --> 00:47:16,310
[evin___disco]: collect them they are kind of like
stickers in that they don't say a lot
1105
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:19,976
[evin___disco]: about the person who holds them and
so if i come into custody
1106
00:47:19,701 --> 00:47:20,105
[sean_crowe]: oh
1107
00:47:20,116 --> 00:47:21,619
[evin___disco]: of a po ap that doesn't necessarily
1108
00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:21,416
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1109
00:47:21,819 --> 00:47:28,290
[evin___disco]: me that i you know am that
that it is representative of my experience so
1110
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:30,614
[evin___disco]: if i have a pop that says
that i was a guest on the show
1111
00:47:30,734 --> 00:47:33,399
[evin___disco]: that doesn't necessarily mean i was a
guest on the show that just means that
1112
00:47:33,439 --> 00:47:37,225
[evin___disco]: a given toke i d has been
mapped to my public key and that token
1113
00:47:37,305 --> 00:47:42,474
[evin___disco]: i d points to r i with
j peg says that i was pro participant
1114
00:47:42,534 --> 00:47:45,779
[evin___disco]: on a given show so it's sort
of a proof of acquisition if you were
1115
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:48,243
[evin___disco]: it comes to personal experiences
1116
00:47:47,931 --> 00:47:48,621
[sean_crowe]: yeh
1117
00:47:48,784 --> 00:47:49,405
[evin___disco]: and especially
1118
00:47:49,122 --> 00:47:49,305
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1119
00:47:49,465 --> 00:47:52,911
[evin___disco]: for something like participating on a show
where it's very explicit there is
1120
00:47:52,894 --> 00:47:53,481
[sean_crowe]: hm
1121
00:47:53,051 --> 00:47:53,472
[evin___disco]: a known
1122
00:47:53,481 --> 00:47:53,744
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1123
00:47:53,612 --> 00:47:56,657
[evin___disco]: show you are a non individual that's
the kind of proof that you're going to
1124
00:47:56,697 --> 00:48:00,404
[evin___disco]: want to be really proud of carry
with you and other parties might rely upon
1125
00:48:00,664 --> 00:48:03,629
[evin___disco]: such as you know future podcasts that
want to see you know actually been on
1126
00:48:03,689 --> 00:48:07,555
[evin___disco]: a podcast before and having this proof
might be relevant to them so the consequence
1127
00:48:07,716 --> 00:48:11,442
[evin___disco]: of the data i think makes it
a little more important which primitive you use
1128
00:48:11,923 --> 00:48:16,450
[evin___disco]: i think pops are super awesome and
fun and wonderful but they're also kind of
1129
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:19,956
[evin___disco]: limited to the vmecosystem so if you
want to be able to surface this data
1130
00:48:20,757 --> 00:48:24,384
[evin___disco]: outside of the ecosystem or in a
web tube context in a little bit more
1131
00:48:24,444 --> 00:48:28,310
[evin___disco]: friendly manner this might be a good
good primitive for you to look into so
1132
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:32,357
[evin___disco]: we would love to help you guys
set up verifiable credentials for your guests would
1133
00:48:32,397 --> 00:48:36,163
[evin___disco]: be happy to put that together we
actually already have a guest speaker credential so
1134
00:48:36,243 --> 00:48:39,507
[evin___disco]: it's just a matter of you stick
in your sticking your logo on it and
1135
00:48:39,527 --> 00:48:40,549
[evin___disco]: we can get those issues right away
1136
00:48:43,673 --> 00:48:43,796
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1137
00:48:44,538 --> 00:48:44,758
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
1138
00:48:48,141 --> 00:48:48,961
[sean_crowe]: cool yeah
1139
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:49,272
[evin___disco]: yeah
1140
00:48:49,642 --> 00:48:50,823
[sean_crowe]: let's do that that'll be really cool
1141
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:52,021
[evin___disco]: so we're
1142
00:48:51,964 --> 00:48:51,984
[sean_crowe]: i
1143
00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:52,241
[evin___disco]: really
1144
00:48:52,084 --> 00:48:52,465
[sean_crowe]: imagine
1145
00:48:52,301 --> 00:48:52,662
[evin___disco]: excited
1146
00:48:52,545 --> 00:48:53,005
[sean_crowe]: you have
1147
00:48:52,742 --> 00:48:53,503
[evin___disco]: to not
1148
00:48:53,486 --> 00:48:53,926
[sean_crowe]: hundreds
1149
00:48:53,584 --> 00:48:54,325
[evin___disco]: only have those guest
1150
00:48:54,246 --> 00:48:54,306
[sean_crowe]: of
1151
00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:54,585
[evin___disco]: speaker
1152
00:48:54,427 --> 00:48:54,987
[sean_crowe]: guest speaker
1153
00:48:54,665 --> 00:48:55,186
[evin___disco]: credentials
1154
00:48:55,207 --> 00:48:55,648
[sean_crowe]: credentials
1155
00:48:55,306 --> 00:48:55,787
[evin___disco]: but also
1156
00:48:55,728 --> 00:48:56,048
[sean_crowe]: in your back
1157
00:48:56,088 --> 00:48:56,188
[evin___disco]: to
1158
00:48:56,108 --> 00:48:56,268
[sean_crowe]: back
1159
00:48:56,248 --> 00:48:56,428
[evin___disco]: allow
1160
00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:56,569
[sean_crowe]: at this
1161
00:48:56,508 --> 00:48:56,709
[evin___disco]: people
1162
00:48:56,629 --> 00:48:56,829
[sean_crowe]: point
1163
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:59,634
[evin___disco]: to take them to different spaces so
when you apply for
1164
00:48:59,568 --> 00:49:00,438
[thomas_gorczynski]: oh
1165
00:48:59,661 --> 00:49:00,441
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1166
00:49:00,034 --> 00:49:02,719
[evin___disco]: a speaking engagement being able to surface
all of those credentials
1167
00:49:02,871 --> 00:49:03,133
[sean_crowe]: oh
1168
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:04,963
[evin___disco]: or for example if you're
1169
00:49:05,092 --> 00:49:05,112
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
1170
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:05,211
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1171
00:49:05,183 --> 00:49:10,273
[evin___disco]: teaching a course or leading a workshop
being able to share those credentials of experience
1172
00:49:09,987 --> 00:49:10,008
[thomas_gorczynski]: m
1173
00:49:10,353 --> 00:49:11,555
[evin___disco]: with with other folks
1174
00:49:11,471 --> 00:49:11,491
[thomas_gorczynski]: a
1175
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:14,541
[evin___disco]: who are in your community could be
really relevant oh
1176
00:49:14,748 --> 00:49:18,754
[thomas_gorczynski]: yeah i wanted to pick your brain
1177
00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:18,810
[evin___disco]: m
1178
00:49:18,995 --> 00:49:21,198
[thomas_gorczynski]: and just see like how
1179
00:49:21,391 --> 00:49:21,533
[sean_crowe]: yep
1180
00:49:21,439 --> 00:49:21,799
[thomas_gorczynski]: crazy
1181
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:23,130
[evin___disco]: yeah
1182
00:49:22,701 --> 00:49:26,307
[thomas_gorczynski]: this code can get into the future
or like how how like fun let's
1183
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:26,340
[evin___disco]: m
1184
00:49:26,347 --> 00:49:28,020
[thomas_gorczynski]: see that way um so
1185
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,307
[evin___disco]: oh
1186
00:49:29,028 --> 00:49:33,535
[thomas_gorczynski]: level one is universe like you complete
a course you get
1187
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,651
[evin___disco]: my
1188
00:49:34,457 --> 00:49:36,781
[thomas_gorczynski]: you add to your back back that
like hey i completed
1189
00:49:36,459 --> 00:49:36,480
[evin___disco]: m
1190
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:38,563
[thomas_gorczynski]: this you know of course
1191
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:38,759
[evin___disco]: yes
1192
00:49:39,004 --> 00:49:45,575
[thomas_gorczynski]: i have this capability level a kind
of complexity is the whole do situation where
1193
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:48,680
[thomas_gorczynski]: you contribute to a dot you can
go to another one and now you have
1194
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:54,250
[thomas_gorczynski]: this proof that you've done this work
what are like what's three or four or
1195
00:49:54,350 --> 00:50:00,099
[thomas_gorczynski]: five like something that isn't applicable yet
in today's kind of world and state of
1196
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:05,672
[thomas_gorczynski]: web three but you can force into
the future that's just kind mind blowing
1197
00:50:07,361 --> 00:50:12,529
[evin___disco]: so a fun example that a lot
of friends like to talk about when we
1198
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:17,738
[evin___disco]: think about discoverability is disco as the
basis for a dating ap so you know
1199
00:50:17,878 --> 00:50:21,625
[evin___disco]: at the end of the day being
able to identify a sub set of your
1200
00:50:21,725 --> 00:50:29,097
[evin___disco]: data and the compatibility or fitness or
similarity of that data to someone else's able
1201
00:50:29,137 --> 00:50:33,344
[evin___disco]: to compare the same part of differen
data back facts um in a trust minimized
1202
00:50:33,424 --> 00:50:37,972
[evin___disco]: way without a centralized authority you know
taking advantage of that data and reselling it
1203
00:50:38,032 --> 00:50:42,660
[evin___disco]: et cetera m that's got the basis
for discoverability of human beings being able to
1204
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:48,409
[evin___disco]: find one another and so that also
invites us to explore things like secure computation
1205
00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:53,498
[evin___disco]: over that data in an incrypted form
that also invites us to contemplate how do
1206
00:50:53,538 --> 00:50:56,763
[evin___disco]: we even define these parts an is
what does it mean for me to hold
1207
00:50:56,984 --> 00:51:01,932
[evin___disco]: on to copies of my references and
to allow those for first secure computation to
1208
00:51:02,433 --> 00:51:06,840
[evin___disco]: find other people know whether that's finding
friends to go skiing finding someone go out
1209
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:10,664
[evin___disco]: with on saturday night or finding copanalists
for an event there are a lot of
1210
00:51:10,704 --> 00:51:16,752
[evin___disco]: different ways that we can imagine human
to human discoverability can provide a lot of
1211
00:51:16,872 --> 00:51:20,358
[evin___disco]: new lot of new openings or open
a lot of new doors rather for us
1212
00:51:20,418 --> 00:51:20,979
[evin___disco]: in this community
1213
00:51:24,685 --> 00:51:25,200
[evin___disco]: hm
1214
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:29,761
[evin___disco]: oh
1215
00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:33,688
[sean_crowe]: so last question us because that popped
up there when you said that do so
1216
00:51:33,809 --> 00:51:36,132
[sean_crowe]: like as an apt developer if i
utilized the
1217
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:36,181
[evin___disco]: so
1218
00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:36,713
[sean_crowe]: verifiable
1219
00:51:36,601 --> 00:51:36,761
[evin___disco]: right
1220
00:51:36,754 --> 00:51:37,054
[sean_crowe]: grentials
1221
00:51:36,822 --> 00:51:37,222
[evin___disco]: now we're
1222
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:37,294
[sean_crowe]: from the
1223
00:51:37,262 --> 00:51:37,523
[evin___disco]: playing
1224
00:51:37,314 --> 00:51:37,615
[sean_crowe]: data back
1225
00:51:37,563 --> 00:51:37,663
[evin___disco]: with
1226
00:51:37,675 --> 00:51:37,815
[sean_crowe]: pack
1227
00:51:37,703 --> 00:51:38,324
[evin___disco]: the spectrum
1228
00:51:37,935 --> 00:51:38,977
[sean_crowe]: do i have visibility
1229
00:51:38,725 --> 00:51:38,905
[evin___disco]: of
1230
00:51:39,097 --> 00:51:39,338
[sean_crowe]: into
1231
00:51:39,246 --> 00:51:39,646
[evin___disco]: privacy
1232
00:51:39,398 --> 00:51:39,919
[sean_crowe]: that specific
1233
00:51:39,706 --> 00:51:40,287
[evin___disco]: and publicity
1234
00:51:39,979 --> 00:51:40,219
[sean_crowe]: data
1235
00:51:40,347 --> 00:51:40,468
[evin___disco]: that
1236
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,480
[sean_crowe]: or
1237
00:51:40,508 --> 00:51:40,588
[evin___disco]: we
1238
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:40,640
[sean_crowe]: is
1239
00:51:40,648 --> 00:51:40,748
[evin___disco]: can
1240
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:40,860
[sean_crowe]: it
1241
00:51:40,828 --> 00:51:41,229
[evin___disco]: achieve
1242
00:51:41,122 --> 00:51:41,343
[sean_crowe]: i he
1243
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:41,970
[evin___disco]: between
1244
00:51:41,424 --> 00:51:41,746
[sean_crowe]: skated
1245
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:45,837
[evin___disco]: data that's incrypted and now only to
your keys and data that's public for everyone
1246
00:51:45,897 --> 00:51:48,120
[evin___disco]: on earth in space with an internet
connection on a public
1247
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,831
[sean_crowe]: hm
1248
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,431
[evin___disco]: ledger so some of the ways that
we can explore that includes decrypting data only
1249
00:51:54,531 --> 00:51:59,580
[evin___disco]: at the applayer for the end user
so there are a variety of differe
1250
00:51:59,541 --> 00:51:59,561
[sean_crowe]: m
1251
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:03,967
[evin___disco]: ways also that we can compute upon
data and learn something about it without revealing
1252
00:52:04,167 --> 00:52:05,009
[evin___disco]: its plain text
1253
00:52:05,032 --> 00:52:05,053
[sean_crowe]: m
1254
00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:06,170
[evin___disco]: and
1255
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:06,261
[sean_crowe]: m
1256
00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:08,735
[evin___disco]: so that sort of gets a little
bit more into the math of magic of
1257
00:52:08,835 --> 00:52:13,843
[evin___disco]: cryptography and so exactly yes it's just
sprinkle some zqs on it that's like the
1258
00:52:13,883 --> 00:52:16,588
[evin___disco]: vibe this week and so so sort
of that
1259
00:52:16,572 --> 00:52:16,693
[sean_crowe]: some
1260
00:52:16,668 --> 00:52:17,109
[evin___disco]: whole
1261
00:52:16,753 --> 00:52:17,215
[sean_crowe]: zqs
1262
00:52:17,369 --> 00:52:20,514
[evin___disco]: like area of the universe is what
allows us
1263
00:52:20,571 --> 00:52:20,711
[sean_crowe]: yeah
1264
00:52:20,755 --> 00:52:27,184
[evin___disco]: to examine more use our privacy preservation
while still enjoying the same level of data
1265
00:52:27,224 --> 00:52:31,589
[evin___disco]: availability and persistence that we would enjoy
from otherwise clearly accessible data in a local
1266
00:52:31,629 --> 00:52:31,989
[evin___disco]: data base
1267
00:52:38,271 --> 00:52:38,622
[sean_crowe]: oh
1268
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,062
[evin___disco]: absolutely
1269
00:52:40,091 --> 00:52:40,151
[sean_crowe]: ah
1270
00:52:40,483 --> 00:52:40,603
[evin___disco]: any
1271
00:52:40,633 --> 00:52:40,773
[sean_crowe]: love
1272
00:52:40,684 --> 00:52:40,824
[evin___disco]: time
1273
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:40,894
[sean_crowe]: it
1274
00:52:40,844 --> 00:52:41,065
[evin___disco]: we'll ee
1275
00:52:41,034 --> 00:52:41,215
[sean_crowe]: well
1276
00:52:41,085 --> 00:52:41,466
[evin___disco]: you guys in the
1277
00:52:41,456 --> 00:52:41,656
[sean_crowe]: evan
1278
00:52:41,486 --> 00:52:41,867
[evin___disco]: mediverse
1279
00:52:42,258 --> 00:52:45,127
[sean_crowe]: this was a blast we learned so
much thank you so much for being on
1280
00:52:45,148 --> 00:52:45,388
[sean_crowe]: the show
1281
00:52:49,492 --> 00:52:51,318
[sean_crowe]: sounds good give me one second here
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