Interview With a Vampire?

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Dark Cast Network. Welcome to the
dark side of podcasting. Hey, hey,
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welcome back to Autumn's addities. I
am Autumn. Well, I've got
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a doozy the case for you.
If you live in Australia, you may
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have heard of it, but it's
a little older, so maybe not.
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I'm gonna warn you up top gold
Star episode. There are trigger warnings for
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quite a lot in this episode,
including child use, sexual assault, incest,
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and suicidal ideations, not to mention
just a really really brutal murder.
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I also want to preface this episode
by saying that I am only referring to
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this person's sexual orientation because it was
used to give her a nickname in the
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press. I myself am bisexual and
in no way judging anyone's sexuality in this
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case or really any you know.
I simply cannot get around the moniker she
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was given in the press. Tracy
Wigginton is infamously known as the lesbian vampire
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killer by Australians. Wiggington and her
three friends Lord and inebriated Edward Baldock to
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his death, allegedly to drink his
blood. Wiggington stabbed him more than twenty
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times, almost severing his head.
In January of nineteen ninety one. The
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world media were busy with international news
coverage of the Gulf War, which was
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pretty you know, in terms of
media coverage. Tracy, who was then
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a twenty four year old factory worker, had pleaded guilty to the murder of
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Baldock. At this stage, there
was no hint of the intense media storm
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that was to follow her trial,
which very quickly spiraled into a story that
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wiped Operation Desert Storm from the front
page of every newspaper in the country.
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The case even made news overseas,
but you know, I was in first
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grade. I don't recall seeing it. But what details, you know,
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could have been so salacious that they
took over the media. Well, perhaps
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her being labeled a lesbian vampire had
something to do with it. The media
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were thrilled to report that Wagington enjoyed
drinking pig and goat's blood alike, wore
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only black, and had special satanic
powers, all while making sure that everyone
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knew she was a lesbian, because
I guess that adds something to the story.
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I don't know, not really.
Newspaper headlines included lesbian vampire killer,
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lord man with a promise of sex
before killing him for his blood. That's
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a really long headline. And also
killer was Devil's wife with power to control
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minds, so I'm confused. Was
she a witch or was she a vampire?
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Just wondering, But the real story
was a far cry from the media
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storm that erupted. This was not
your typical vampire, you know, biting
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the neck kind of killing that we
see portrayed in media. The so called
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lesbian vampire murder was actually a very
cruel and just very random killing of a
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man who had just left a pub
and was waiting for a taxi. And
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the killer, well, she may
have been many things, but a vampire
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was not one of them. On
the night of October twenty first, nineteen
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eighty nine, Tracy Wigginton Lisa I'm
gonna screw up her name to Chinski I
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think who was? Wiggington's twenty four
year old lover. Kim Jervis and Tracy
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Woe, both twenty three, spent
the evening drinking at a bar called The
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Moors in Fortitude Valley, Brisbane,
all of this taking place in Australia.
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Wiggington persuaded the others to help her
find a person so that she could kill
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them and drink their blood. All
right, Okay, so Jervis and Woe
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had only recently befriended Wiggington just weeks
prior. They all belonged to a loosely
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defined Brisbane subculture known as Swampies and
swampys. Really it just sounds like what
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we call goth. They liked industrial
music, they wore black, they wore
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Doc Martin boots, and they were
into the nocturnal lifestyle. And oh,
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they had a cult tattoos. Okay, so her three friends were apparently very
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impressionable and had heard of Wiggington's vampire
reputation for drinking the blood of animals,
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which is something that Wiggington later denied. The four ladies jumped into Wiggington's call
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at about eleven thirty PM, and
they began hunting the inner city streets for
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fresh blood. The Prince song bat
Dance, which is a great song,
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was playing full blast on the car's
stereo. It's kind of an odd song
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to choose to go out hunting,
but whatever, I guess. I'm sure
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Prince did not endorse that. Meanwhile, Edward Baldock had decided to make a
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move towards home. The father of
five and grandfather had spent the night just
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you know, socializing, drinking with
his friends at the Caledonian Club in Kangaroo
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Point, and he was just waiting
for a taxi. So you can imagine
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his surprise and delight when instead of
a taxi, a car full of four
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women pulled over and offered him a
ride. Wiggington even insinuated that, you
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know, maybe some sex would happen
if he was up to it. So
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Baldock was heavily intoxicated, so drunk, in fact, that he could barely
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speak, let alone you know,
stand up without assistent, But he probably
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could not believe his luck when he
stumbled into the passenger seat of you know,
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these women's car. He had no
idea that he was being lured by
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four young women with murder on their
minds. Really, there's no other way
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to put that. And I'm not
blaming him at all for you know,
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being drunk. He was doing the
right thing. He was drunk, he
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knew he was drunk, and he
was standing there waiting for a taxi.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with that,
And why would he have been afraid?
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Shouldn't have been afraid right, because
a woman can't do something like that.
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So Wiggington drove Balldoc to Orley Park
and she left her friends in the car.
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She then walked him down to the
banks of the Brisbane River. Wiggington
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then returned to the car and asked
Pachenski to join her. When they returned,
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Wiggington attacked Baldock with a large hunting
knife. Pichenski quickly fled back to
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the car while Wiggington stabbed Baldoc repeatedly, inflicting some twenty seven slashes to his
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face and neck. By the time
the stabbing friendsy was over, Baldoc had
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nearly been decapitated. Later, Wiggington
told police that she buried her face in
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the victim's neck and drank his blood. But you know, because all of
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her friends were in the car,
there were no witnesses to this alleged blood
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drinking. However, Tracy Woe later
dramatically recounted to police that she could smell
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blood on Wigginton's breath. In her
chilling police interview a few days after the
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attack, Wiggington said she felt nothing
as she stabbed Baldoc, and even sat
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down to smoke a cigarette while she
watched him die. Here's a direct quote
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from her as to what happened.
She said, I walked around behind him.
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I took my knife out of my
back pocket. He asked me what
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I was doing. I said nothing
and stabbed him. He went up to
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grab my hand. I pushed his
hand down withdrew the knife and stabbed him
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in the side of the neck.
I stabbed him on the other side of
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the neck, and I canuously stabbed
him. I then grabbed him by the
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hair on his head and pulled back, stabbed him in the front of the
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throat, and at that stage he
was still alive. Yeah. I mean,
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she's putting that like pretty bluntly,
like pretty matter of factly, like
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she's ordering a sandwich when she's talking
about stabbing a man multiple times while he's
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trying to fight her off. After
watching Baldock take his final final breath,
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Wiggington said that she sat down nearby
the Brisbane River. You know, she
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smoked that cigarette, washed her knife, her hands and her arms because of
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course they were covered in blood at
the time. This confession could not be
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made public because Wiggington entered a plea
of guilty to the murder. As a
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result few details of the crime were
revealed during her nineteen ninety one sentencing,
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which last lasted just nine minutes,
but clearly she was very deeply disturbed.
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If you can talk about murdering another
human being or anything for that matter,
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killing anything with just such you know, matter of factness. It wasn't until
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psychologists looked closely at her horrendous upbringing
and her mental illness that anyone could grasp
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the reasons behind this ghastly crime.
Tracy Wyggington grew up in the Northern Australia
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coastal city of Rockhampton and experienced a
very traumatic childhood. She was adopted at
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the age of three by her grandparents. I'm going to get into that later
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because you're probably like me, like
why was she adopted by her grandparents,
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because you're going to hear me talk
about her mother being alive. We'll get
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to that. But she was adopted
at the age of three by her grandparents,
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George and Avril Wiggington, who treated
her worse than probably any foster family
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could have. Not only did her
grandfather sexually abuse her for several years,
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but her grandmother was very violent.
She repeatedly beat Tracy with the court of
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a clothes iron, really anything she
could get her hands on, making her
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home life even more challenging. Wiggington
claimed her grandparents were into the occult,
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and I don't really know why that
would make your home life challenging, but
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whatever. While her childhood was marred
by abuse, it was not one of
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poverty. In fact, her grandparents
were extremely wealthy. Her grandfather, George,
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was a self made millionaire thanks to
a lucrative earth moving business that garnered
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an enormous number of government contracts.
In fact, George was so well known
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in Rockhampton that the local council named
a street after him. Can you imagine
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like having to go round your town
and see a street named after the person
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who is related to you by blood
and sexually abusing you. I can't imagine
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that. Truly. The Wiggingtons were
one of Rockhampton's most powerful and influential families,
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and imagine if locals had known what
went on behind closed doors, if
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they would have even believed it.
According to family friends who spoke to the
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media during Wiggington's trial, her grandmother, Avril detested her husband just so much
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so that she spent her days just
you know, playing with her pet schuawas
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you know, when she wasn't screaming
at or beating her granddaughter. In her
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teens, Wiggington attended a prestigious private
girls' school where her interests included playing the
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organ, ballroom, dancing, and
other girls, and of course that was
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not allowed, so she was eventually
expelled for quote, molesting other girls and
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was sent to a Catholic convent school
where she only lasted a few years.
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After Wiggington's arrest, her mother,
Rhonda Hopkins, she decided to, you
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know, give an interview to the
media in defense of her daughter. And
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here's what she said. She said, I remember one time when we had
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a sick chook which is slang for
chicken, and someone told Tracy to chop
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its head off and put it out
of its misery. But she couldn't do
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it. She did not drink blood. And that's the whole of the statement
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from her mother. During the trial, it emerged very unsurprisingly that Wiggington was
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mentally ill. This is the part
that I disagree with. She was diagnosed
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with multiple personality disorder. According to
medical experts, there were about five distinct
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personalities in Wigginton's head. Two of
which they saw as being capable of committing
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murder. Now remember you know this
is the late eighties, early nineties.
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Now a physician would follow the DSM
five diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder. I'll
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refer to it as DID from here
on out. DID is associated with overwhelming
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experiences, traumatic events, and or
abuse that occurred in childhood. So she's
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ticked all the boxes there with her
very very terrible childhood. Someone with DID
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has multiple distinct personalities and the various
identities control of person's behavior at different times.
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The condition can cause memory lost,
delusions, or depression. And again,
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di ID was previously referred to as
multiple personality disorder. According to a
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psychologist's report, these personalities included Little
Tracy, a childlike, innocent personality,
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Big Tracy, a woman with severe
depression, The Observer, who was a
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disconnected personality with really no feelings,
Bobby, a frightened and brutal person,
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and Averrol, the reincarnation of Wiggington's
horrible grandmother. Bobby and Avril were seen
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as the most likely personalities to have
taken hold of Wiggington's mind at the time
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of the murder. And to that, I say, are these really different
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personalities, because these all seem just
like various aspects of her. You know,
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Little Tracy is the abused, sexually
and physically abused child. You know,
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that's that part of her life.
Big Tracy, a woman with severe
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depression, is Tracy in her current
state. The observer is probably you know,
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the out of body, the out
of body personality that she experiences or
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experienced when she was being abused.
Bobby a frightening and brutal person I would
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just think is part of her personality
that's angry. And Avril is very clearly
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just her grandmother. So I think
these are all just different parts of her
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personality. I don't think that they're
like actual personalities with lives and thoughts and
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all that crap, you know what
I mean. I don't think that's what's
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going on. Wiggington was placed under
hypnosis in an attempt to figure out the
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differences between her multiple personalities. Well, I think I just explained it,
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and I am not a doctor.
One psychologist, doctor Chris Clark, from
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the University of New South Wales,
invited Wiggington to describe the moment when she
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saw her intended victim. Doctor Clark
claimed that her face quite literally changed in
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an instant, and that she adopted
the voice of Bobby and growled, I
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want him okay. Multiple personality disorder
now called DD, like I said,
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very complex mental illness that occurs when
a person has experienced extreme trauma, like
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Tracy did with child abuse. You
know, they try to distance themselves from
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their own personality by creating new ones. And it means that they can tell
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themselves that the horrific events that happened, you know, to them, they
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didn't happen to them, They happened
to somebody else, They happened to a
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little Tracy or you know whatever.
The disorder is characterized by two or more
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distinct identities to have power over the
person's behavior, and there was and is
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a lot of debate about the disorder. However, during Wigginton's trial, the
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prosecution used the evidence of a psychiatrist
who believed multiple personality disorder was little more
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than a fantasy concocted by well meaning
doctors. And I don't think that's the
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case at all. I think it
exists, but I think it's just a
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hoping mechanism for trauma rather than actual
differing personalities of different people, like what
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was that movie? Oh my god, James McElvoy and Anya Taylor Joy.
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I'm not gonna remember it. I'll
remember it later and then i'll blurt it
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out. The one where Patria that
wasn't me, that was Patricia. I'm
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not gonna remember it right now.
It's an m Night Shamalan movie. I
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don't believe that multiple personalities exist in
that way, but I do believe.
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I believe they're kind of compartments in
someone's mind. And here I go,
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I'm getting into philosophy, but I
believe there are compartments inside of someone's mind
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where they kind of put, you
know, different parts of their trauma.
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I think that's much more realistic than
oh, well, this other personality comes
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out and it takes all control in
the physical body of that person is no
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longer theirs. No, I don't
really believe that. So in Ron hicks
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book The Vampire Killer, the author
delved into Wigginton's background and of course,
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the horndous crime that she committed.
The book shed light on just how dysfunctional
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the Wiggington family was, and I
think we've already covered that. But you
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know, Avril, her grandmother's childhood
was remarkably similar to her granddaughters, and
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hurt people. Hurt people, You
know, it's saying for a reason.
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Avril was also apparently sexually abused from
the age of eleven by an uncle who
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adopted her when her parents' marriage fell
apart. What is with all this adopting
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of immediate family members when like some
inconvenience arises. That's a little confusing to
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me. And as a teenager,
Avril was beaten with a bottle trigger warning
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here sexual assault again, and raped
on a railway track by a friend of
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the family. She married George Wiggington
in the late nineteen thirties, but soon
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realized that she was unable to have
children. They still wanted to be parents,
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so they adopted two girls, Rhonda, who was Tracy's mother, and
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Drell, who later spoke out on
the abuse they endured as children. Avril
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was said to have been just absolutely
vicious in terms of discipline, regularly beating
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her daughters over pretty much nothing and
refusing until the marriage slowly unraveled and George
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bought himself a second home all Right, where he entertained a string of lady
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friends. Avril added to her family
unofficially adopting a disabled girl named Mary Bateman
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and years later Tracy's half sister.
In the mid nineteen sixties, Ronda married
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a local painter and the couple had
Tracy five years later. But Avril was
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against her daughter's marriage and she used
her just you know, abusive influence over
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Ronda to ensure that the marriage wouldn't
last. And when it did end,
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Avril immediately just ingratiated herself into baby
Tracy's life until the child found herself almost
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completely separated from from her parents.
So yeah, Avril legally adopted Tracy by
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the time Tracy was just three,
So her grandmother came in and quite literally
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broke up her mother's marriage and took
her from her parents to abuse her.
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I'm not getting it. I'm not
getting it. So Ronda moved away from
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Brisbane and married another man. Having
virtually nothing to do with her own daughter,
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Avril began drinking too much and when
she was drunk, she would beat
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Michelle, that's Tracy's half sister.
She regularly entertained two disgusting male friends who
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joined in beating Michelle in full view
of young Tracy. The abuse they subjected
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Tracy to was mild in comparison,
but that, you know, in combination
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with the mental scars inflicted by having
to watch her sister being beaten on the
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soles of her feet and forced to
sleep outside with dogs, was surely,
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you know, a trigger for did
if anything was, you know, coupled
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with her sexual abuse from an early
age. Tracy was not allowed to have
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friends and was forced to live in
an adults world. She was completely isolated,
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physically and sexually abused. Yeah,
I mean, this was just a
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recipe for absolute disaster. And it's
not her fault. It's her fault that
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she killed someone, But it's not
her fault, you know, her upbringing.
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Journalists who managed to interview family members
during the murder trial reporting claims that
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she'd been a large child. These
are their words, not mine, who
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towered over her classmates, which it
would have added to her feelings of being
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an outsider. Her only friend was
the chronically abused Michelle, who managed to
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run away from Avril by the time
she was fifteen. Following the murder,
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Michelle told the media that her only
regret was that she hadn't taken then eight
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year old Tracy with her. I
mean, what were you gonna do?
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You were fifteen, your raise an
eight year old by yourself who's already been
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abused. And yeah, I mean, poor girl, she's putting Michelle taking
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that on to herself, like that's
her responsibility to really, like in an
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ideal, ideal world. Sure,
but you know it's like that, that
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was not your responsibility, that was
not your that was not your fault.
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In her early teens, Tracy was
said to have been obsessed with the occult
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you know, mostly ouigi boards and
tarot cards, which I don't really even
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considered to be a cult, but
okay, And in nineteen seventy nine,
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George died from cancer. Good riddance, hope you're in a hell dimension,
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you pedophilic rapist. Averill died in
nineteen eighty one, also good written,
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good riddance, but not before she
managed to persuade one of her male companions
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to take charge of disciplining Tracy,
Like, good Lord, why what's wrong
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with you? I understand that she
was abused as well, but why in
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God's name? Like this, poor
Tracy, this poor girl. Every one
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in the house is thinking, we're
finally free of this fucking bitch, and
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she's like, no, no,
I'm gonna have someone else continue to abuse
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you. But Tracy didn't take it
for long. One incident involved Tracy fighting
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back and beating the man who was
hospitalized with head injuries. And to that,
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I say, good for her.
Just keep on. You know,
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every time someone is hospitalized for rape
abuse, anything like that, you know,
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at the hands of their own victim, I just applaud them. No
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one should ever face jail time for
killing their sexual abuser defending themselves, no
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one, No one should. At
sixteen, Tracy had an affair with a
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friend's husband. She became pregnant and
had an abortion. By the time she
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was eighteen, she was finally entitled
to a seventy five thousand dollars inheritance from
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her grandparents. And I'd be like, I don't want that fucking blood money.
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Their daughter's Durrell and Ronda were left
hardly anything, and she apparently just
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pissed away the money on a motorcycle
and you know, just drinking and partying.
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But what do you expect. She
was very young, she was eighteen,
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So Tracy at eighteen years old was
rich and also a physically imposing figure.
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Not only did she dress like a
biker, Tracy at eighteen, was
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a very imposing figure. Not only
did she dress like a biker, but
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she was six feet tall. She
worked for a short time as a sex
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worker, then stepped up her interest
in Satanic rituals and began a love affair
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with a woman who went and by
the name Sunshine, eventually marrying her in
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a civil ceremony. When Tracy turned
twenty one, she inherited a further eighty
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thousand dollars from her grandparents estate,
so it was like a staggered kind of
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settlement, not settlement inheritance. This
money was once again spent real quick.
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I mean again, she's twenty one. If you got eighty grand at twenty
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one years old, what would you
have done. I don't even know what
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I would have done, to be
honest with you, that would have been
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so much money to me at twenty
one years old. Tracy's marriage to Sunshine
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didn't last, even though the couple
had tried to have a child together.
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Tracy unfortunately suffered a miscarriage in nineteen
eighty nine. When the relationship with Sunshine
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ended, Tracy struck up a friendship
with the three women who were with her
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on the night of the murder.
The women all had common interests. They
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you know, they like vampires,
got stuff, the occult, and of
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course other women. Lisa Patchenski was
Tracy's lover, and she was allegedly obsessed
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with killing herself. A chronic self
harmer, Patchenski clocked up more than eighty
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visits eighty yeah to local hospitals after
slashing her wrists or attempting to overdose on
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pills. Most of her attempts at
self harm were labeled cries for attention.
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But again, and this was a
different time, and mental health wasn't taken
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very seriously, particularly that of women. It's you know, maybe it was
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a cry for help. I don't
know, but I doubt they did either.
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You can't just be like, oh, because someone wasn't successful in killing
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themselves, then they don't really want
to die. She may not have,
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she may have, we don't know. Who's just No matter the state of
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the group member's mental health, there
was never any doubt that Wiggington was the
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ringleader. On the night of the
murder, the four friends met at around
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ten pm at Lamour's to drink champagne
and enjoy each other's company, but just
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ninety minutes later, they were cruising
the streets in search for a victim,
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according to police interviews, when the
women enticed Balldoc into the car and drove
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him to the river, Wiggington led
him to the bank with the promise of
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sex. They got undressed, and
then Wiggington made an excuse to return to
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the car, where she told her
friend that she needed help killing the man,
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and Patchenski offered to help. When
they went down to the river where
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Baldock was waiting, and he was
waiting naked, he was found fully nude
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and Pachenski lifted her arm to stab
him. Baldock turned around and saw her,
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which caused her to freeze in horror, so a panicked Patchenski ran back
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to the car, and that's when
Wigginton took over with her long bladed knife,
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stabbing him in a frenzy that nearly
severed Baldock's spinal cord. When she
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was satisfied that he was dead,
Wigganton went back to the car and asked
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the others, you know, hey, you want to come see the body.
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Patchenski and Jervis went with her,
but Woe spent the entire time in
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the car, a choice that led
to her eventually being acquitted. After the
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murder, the women went back to
Jervis's flat, where Wigginton seemed to be
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in denial about the horrific crime,
a fact psychologists claim indicates that one of
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her multiple personalities had killed Balldoc.
We'll see. When Baldock's body was discovered
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the next day, in the exact
same place he fell, police found Wiggington's
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bank card stupped inside his shoe under
his neatly folded clothes. How did that
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get there? Apparently the card was
shoved all the way down toward the toe
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box of the shoe, suggesting that
somebody. I don't know, if it
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was one of Wiggington's friends, Maybe
maybe it was Wiggington herself, you know.
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Oh, if it really was a
different personality, maybe they wanted to
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get caught. Others believed that Baldock
somehow got hold of the bank card and
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shoved it inside the shoe himself.
I don't think that happened. He was,
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like they said, very inebriated,
and I don't think he thought he
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was being lured down there to be
murdered. When officers paid Wiggington a visit,
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she admitted that she'd been near the
river, but didn't give them any
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further information, and so the officers
held off on telling her that she was
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being questioned for a At that stage, their interviewing was pretty much routine,
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prompted only by the discovery of her
bank card at the scene of the murder.
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And you know, if they had
found her bank card and not said
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hey, we found your bank card, and she was like, you know,
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if she just said at the very
beginning of that interview, oh,
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I was nowhere near the river,
and they're like, oh, really,
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well we found your bank card.
I mean, by admitting that she was
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by the river, you know,
she could have said, I dropped my
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wallet, I dropped something. This
man robbed me. She could have said
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anything. Really, the officers believed
her story at first, because they found
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it very difficult to believe a woman
was capable of such violence, even a
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woman as strong as Wigginton. And
I'm like, well, he was stabbed.
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He wasn't beaten to death with someone's
bare hands, you know what I
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mean, or strangled or overpack.
He was stabbed. It was with a
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weapon. Also, there was evidence
that following the death, somebody had placed
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their fingers in the wounds and you
know what, they thought, it takes
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a man to do something like that. Again, the officers did not believe
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that this was something a woman would
do in the aftermath of a murder,
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because, according to the Australian Institute
of Criminology back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety
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one, only ten percent of homicide
offenders were women. They were the perpetrators,
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but when they searched Wiggington's car didn't
take long. The officers found the
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towel that she'd used to wipe the
blood from herself and the knife. At
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the same time, the erratic Patchinski
had told some friends about the night's events,
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and they had urged her to go
to the police. She did exactly
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that. Not only did Pachinski tell
the police about the murder, she went
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above and beyond. She told the
police that her lover truly believed that she
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was a vampire and had recently forced
Patchenski to cut her hand so that Wiggington
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could drink her blood. Once police
had Patchinski's confession, they brought in Wiggington,
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who gave the officers every grisly detail. Well, how'd you do that
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if you don't remember it? Huh? Hmm. Interesting. But while Wiggington
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pleaded guilty, she denied that she
identified as a vampire. Her initial interviews
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with doctor Clark were pretty mundane at
first, but once Clark del further,
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he was convinced that she had multiple
personality disordered did now he believed her illness
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was so extreme that she couldn't even
recognize herself. When she was shown a
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video of the first police interview in
the days following the murder, strangely,
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Wiggington recognized that she was guilty,
even though she claimed to have no memory
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of the actual attack or losing her
bank card. Again, if you have
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no memory, how are you giving
police any details of the murder? I'm
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very confused. That makes sense to
you, because it doesn't to me.
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In the lead up to her trial, when Wigginton underwent hypnosis, she was
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quizzed at length about her childhood with
Avril, the sexual abuse, and also
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witnessing the vile abuse of her adoptive
sister Mischee. Well, the doctors who
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witnessed her state under hypnosis, you
know where they met, Bobby the observer,
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Avril Little and Big Tracys, you
know, respectively. Respectfully, they
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were unanimous in their belief that there
was no way she was pulling off an
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Oscar worthy performance, that this was
the real deal. There was one Wiggington
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quote that the media latched onto following
the release of the details of the hypnosis
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session. Get ready for it.
She said, I'd like to slice the
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top off someone's head and say think, let me see you think. Woo,
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that's some hannibal lectushit right there?
All right? What personality said that?
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Though? Huh? Doctors? Either
way, Wiggington was deem fit to
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stand trial, and in January nineteen
ninety one she pleaded guilty to first degree
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murder, and this meant that under
Queensland law, she'd receive life imprisonment.
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And that trial lasted a mere nine
minutes. It wasn't really even a trial.
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It was just a sentencing hearing.
The trial of Wiggington's friends. They
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did have a trial, did little
to examine the actual murder of Baldock,
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who became, like most murder victims, sidelined by the theatrical event. I
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really couldn't find much information about him
at all, other than his age and
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the fact that he was a father
and a grandfather. The women did not
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take the stand, but the court
was shown videotaped interviews conducted just days after
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their arrests, which covered everything from
them being lesbians to incest, to vamporism
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and Satanic worship. Okay, newspaper
editors agreed this was much more entertaining than
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reading what was going on in the
Middle East, so of course they ran
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with it. They're like, oh, thank god, something that isn't war
401
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.119
in the desert, and you know, they're like, oh, god,
402
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:51.880
lesbians and vampires. Ooh. When
confidential videotape evidence of Wiggington's psychiatric interviews were
403
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:57.839
made public, there was a political
debate in Queensland over doctor patient privacy versus
404
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.480
the public's right to know, which
I agree with. Some feminists at the
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00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.279
time went so far as to suggest
that seeing Wiggington was, you know,
406
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.680
an incest survivor and a rape survivor
all around, that she could almost be
407
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:16.079
excused for acting out a murder where
she visualized her evil grandfather as the victim
408
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:21.359
instead of the innocent and unsuspecting Baldoc. And I'm going to disagree with that.
409
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.279
No, that's horseshit. I don't
think that she saw Baldock as a
410
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.039
stand in for her grandfather. He
was an easy target, a very inebriated
411
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.880
man being lured with the promise of
sex did not stand a chance. And
412
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you know, the only way I
think you could even rationalize that and be
413
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.839
like, oh, she saw this
man as a stand in for her grandfather
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00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.759
is if he had done something to
physically harm her or threaten her, and
415
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.279
then she acted in self defense.
She went out on a hunt, quite
416
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.960
literally, She made that conscious decision. And it wasn't one of her other
417
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:58.359
personalities that made that decision. It
was her. So I don't know,
418
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.680
She's trying real hard with the smalltiple
personality thing and I ain't find it.
419
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.720
Patchenski was also convicted of murder and
was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was
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00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.159
released in two thousand and eight when
she had her application for resettlement to leave
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00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.480
approved by the Queensland Parole Board.
She'd served seventeen years behind bars and has
422
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.280
kept out of the media spotlight since
her release. Jervis was found guilty of
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00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:28.800
manslaughter and sentenced to eighteen years,
but was released after twelve years. Woe
424
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.480
was acquitted of being an accessory since
she did not help during the crime or
425
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.239
after, you know, as far
as anyone could prove. All three women
426
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:43.079
pleaded not guilty, and at that
point all loyalties were out the window.
427
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.719
They were determined to put all the
blame on Wigganton. Their defense was that
428
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.480
they were intimidated by her and that
if they didn't help, you know,
429
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.760
with the murder of Baldock, that
she would harm or kill them. Patchensky
430
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.840
was determined to paint a full picture
of Wiganton and as a vampire, telling
431
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.320
the court Wiggington had bought blood from
a butcher so she could drink it into
432
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.000
that I would say, did you
see her drink it? And what happened
433
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.719
when she drank it? Can she
go into the sunlight like you know?
434
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.360
This and this and that? Is
she really a vampire? She also repeated
435
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:20.079
the story that she'd told to police
that she'd been forced by Wiggington to cut
436
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.360
her hand open so that she could
drink Patchinski's blood. Tracy Woe, who
437
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.119
had never left the car, had
the best defense of all, and she
438
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.039
was able to walk free. You
become an accessory to murder if you have
439
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:38.679
any part during or after planning.
I don't know how Queensland law works,
440
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:45.559
but planning there's a little bit to
that. There's a little bit of culpability
441
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:51.000
there, but otherwise you have to
have helped during or after the murder to
442
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.440
be an accessory. So she didn't
get out of the car at all,
443
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.239
so she didn't see his body.
She wasn't out there when the murder took
444
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:00.960
place. She wasn't out there there
afterward, when you know, everybody else
445
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.800
went to view him, and they
didn't dispose of his body or clean anything
446
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.320
up as far as I know,
other than her like just washing blood off.
447
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.800
She left the weapon and the towel
in the car, so I guess
448
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.320
I get that one. Wiggington,
for her part, she apparently did pretty
449
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:22.440
well in prison. You know.
She earned herself the nickname fang uh Okay
450
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.800
well all right, and she got
to work in the prison library and eventually
451
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:31.679
earned a Bachelor of Arts degree with
majors in anthropology and philosophy. Great In
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00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:37.199
nineteen ninety six, Currier Mail journalist
Ella Riggert was given permission to interview Wiggington
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00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.199
at Boggo Roll Road. Gowl,
I probably screwed that up. It's a
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00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.800
jail, it's a prison. Wiggington
gave Rigert a graphic description of the murder
455
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.480
I'm gonna read it to you.
Six years on, I can still smell
456
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.679
the river, the smell of blood, the smell of metal that has been
457
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.400
left to rust in the rain.
Then I started to stab him. You
458
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.760
think nothing, nothing goes through,
there is no emotion, just blind fury.
459
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.440
But once I started, I couldn't
stop. I couldn't see mister Baldock.
460
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.719
I kept seeing my grandmother, my
grandfather, my mother, my father,
461
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.679
and all the people in my life
who had hurt me. It was
462
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.360
such blind fury I was able to
pick a dead man up with two knives.
463
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.239
Yikes. Afterwards, I sat down
against the roller door with my arms
464
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.480
resting on my knees. I was
like a husk or the shell of a
465
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:29.119
volcano, whatever the fuck that means. Bitch, the public has no idea
466
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.719
what my dreams are like at nighttime. It's never over. I think.
467
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.840
I don't think about it constantly,
but whenever I'm alone or having a quiet
468
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.239
moment, I think about it and
then I cry. Murder is a terrifying
469
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.280
experience. It's extremely scary to have
that much power. It's playing god with
470
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.800
life and death. Nobody should have
that sort of power, but we all
471
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:51.960
do. To me, that seems
like some she wants to sound like poet
472
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.360
kind of shit. And you know, I ain't buying any of it.
473
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.159
And it's very interesting to me how
many details, like all the details she
474
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:06.320
can remember when she initially claimed that
she could not remember the murder because one
475
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.000
of her other personalities was responsible.
And I love how she threw in there
476
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.199
that once she started stabbing him,
she sees all these people who have hurt
477
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.559
her, Well, bitch, those
people are the ones that hurt you,
478
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:23.119
not the man that you killed nearly
decapitated. He didn't do anything to you.
479
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.440
You lured him to take your anger
out on. Then you blamed it
480
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.320
on a different personality. And allegedly
you can't remember, but you just said
481
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.880
you do and that you think about
it constantly. But how could you think
482
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.360
about it constantly and be so upset
and remorseful over it if it was committed
483
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.519
by another personality that you had no
control over and you don't remember any of
484
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.360
it to begin with. That's just
very confusing and contradictory to me. But
485
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.760
I guess it doesn't matter since she
pleaded guilty. But I'll just say that
486
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.920
I was not buying her story from
the beginning. The sad fact is that
487
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.920
the murder had nothing to do with
vamporism and everything to do with a woman
488
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.840
who survived a childhood just full of
abuse, and she managed to talk her
489
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.440
friends into joining her on a bloodthirsty
adventure that ended in tragedy. During her
490
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.280
years in prison, Wigginton had the
balls to write to Baldock's family, saying,
491
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:21.719
I have served nineteen years of a
life sentence, and not a day
492
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.599
has gone by that I don't think
about the terrible thing I have done and
493
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.960
the pain I have caused you.
I know that no amount of wishing or
494
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.280
dreaming can bring mister Baldock back,
but God I do, I would give
495
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.719
anything to change what happened and to
save you all the heartache, pain and
496
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.599
confusion and anger that I have caused. Well, that's one of those instances
497
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.840
where the apology is entirely self serving. His family doesn't want to hear that
498
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.000
shit from you. You murdered you
know, their father, their husband,
499
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.679
their grandfather. You murdered him,
and you did it for no reason whatsoever.
500
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:59.039
You went out hunting, you found
an easy target and you murdered him.
501
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.840
So who that apology for. It's
not for them, like absolutely nothing
502
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:08.679
you say changes changes anything for them. In two thousand and nine, Wigginton's
503
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.800
application for early release was rejected by
the Parole Board due to her serious and
504
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:22.559
violent offense and psychiatric reports that considered
her significantly institutionalized. The Board formed the
505
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.800
view that you posed an unacceptable risk
to the community at the time and decided
506
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.119
to decline your application for a parole
order. That's according to the report the
507
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.159
Parole boards report. A psychologist's report
from February two thousand and nine found that
508
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.039
Wiggington was a medium to moderate risk
for further violent offenses over the next seven
509
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:47.039
to ten years. She appealed unsuccessfully
against the Parole Board's decision in the Supreme
510
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:53.239
Court, placing her psychologists and prison
reports on the public record. Wigginton served
511
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:59.079
twenty two years in prison and was
released in early twenty twelve. Upon her
512
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release, she expressed remorse for the
absolutely senseless killing and once again denied that
513
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.840
she ever thought of herself as a
vampire. I don't give a shit if
514
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.880
she thinks she's a vampire or not. She killed a guy on purpose fully,
515
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.960
intentionally, that's it. She kept
a relatively low profile until twenty nineteen,
516
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.559
when using the profile of one of
her alter egos, the psychologist missed
517
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:30.239
this one. Its name is Ogberon
Fairchild. Wiggington allegedly posted vampire pictures and
518
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:35.440
a meme that reads, now panic
because I'm back. Included in the posts
519
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.000
is a picture of a demon with
vampire teeth and another of a skeleton in
520
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.480
a graveyard. And you know that
kind of negates the whole I feel remorse
521
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.519
and don't really think I'm a vampire. Bit doesn't it. That's it,
522
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:53.400
That's a That's the very contradictory story
of Tracy Wiggington. So what do you
523
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.039
think? Was she a vampire or
just a very disturbed, violent person who
524
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:04.239
had a terrible, traumatic, horrendous
upbringing. I'm not a doctor, but
525
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.880
personally, I think she knew exactly
what she was doing. She was lucid
526
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.360
when she asked her friends to leave
the bar to find a victim. She
527
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:17.239
was lucid when she returned to the
car. But apparently another personality committed the
528
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.360
murder, and she didn't remember any
of it. But she remembers every single
529
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.280
detail every day, and she feels
so bad about it. Don't get me
530
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:30.679
wrong. Tracy Wiggington is a survivor
of grotesque abuse at the hands of her
531
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.519
blood relatives, but that does not
give her the right to kill someone who
532
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.199
had nothing to do with what she
endured. If she had killed her grandparents,
533
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.639
I honestly wouldn't have convicted her if
I was on that jury. You
534
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.280
know, to me, that would
have been self defense at the hands of
535
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.440
your life long abusers. But choosing
a man at random, and I believe
536
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.599
that she chose a man because she
knew that a man wouldn't be afraid of
537
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.360
getting into a car with women who
said they'd have sex with him. I
538
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.760
believe that this was an absolutely no
way self defense. You know, even
539
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.280
if she saw something of her father
in Baldock, he was not her grandfather.
540
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.719
He never did anything to her to
warrant what she did to him.
541
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:16.280
Many many people have survived sexual and
physical abuse and don't go on to commit
542
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:22.079
murder. I have experienced both and
have never had the desire to go out
543
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:28.239
hunting for a victim, animal,
human or otherwise. As for the vampire
544
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.360
aspect of it, you know,
I think maybe Tracy drank blood here and
545
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.000
there. You know, she was
into the occult, and some people do
546
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.599
identify as vampires. There are whole
communities of them want to exist in New
547
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.599
Orleans, and I don't think there's
anything wrong with it, you know,
548
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.159
so long as you get the blood
from a person who can sense, or
549
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.400
an animal or whatever from the butcher, and you don't make yourself or someone
550
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.519
else sick, because you know,
drinking blood can make you very sick.
551
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:58.119
I think Tracy did what many people
do when they're searching for a place to
552
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.280
belong or to gain some kind of
power when they feel powerless. I think
553
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:07.199
she felt safe in the you know, goths, occult world, and maybe
554
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.519
dabbling just gave her a sense of
power because she did feel so powerless in
555
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.719
her youth and probably even as an
adult, even after her abusers, her
556
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.800
oppressors were dead. You know,
she just had a lot of unresolved shit,
557
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.440
truly, And again, I don't
care what you do, so long
558
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.840
as you're not hurting anyone and you're
not breaking any laws, with the exception
559
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.199
of smoking weed if you live in
a state where that's not legal, I
560
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.320
don't think that should be illegal.
That's my personal belief. I don't think
561
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.000
she really believed that she was a
vampire, though, you know, maybe
562
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.320
she told people that so that they'd
be afraid of her, or you know
563
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.440
that she'd have this kind of lore
about her, and of course she would
564
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:45.840
want people to be afraid of her. Why wouldn't you if you had spent
565
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.239
your entire life being abused, wouldn't
you want people to be so afraid of
566
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.480
you that they would never even attempt
to come at you in any kind of
567
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.400
a negative way. I mean,
I get it. That's the kind of
568
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.119
defense mechanisms I used to put up. I just used to put up this
569
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.239
like hard ass front, and sure, can I be very mean and you
570
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.800
know, even violent if I want
to be? Yeah, I don't need
571
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.280
to. You know, as I've
grown, as I've done work on myself
572
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:19.079
with therapy and medication and otherwise,
you know, I've kind of dropped that
573
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.400
persona. I've realized the entire world, you know, doesn't owe me anything.
574
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.719
They're not out to get me,
and just deal with conflicts that actually
575
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.599
exist, you know what I mean. It's tough, you got to do
576
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.360
the work. But multiple personality disorder, you know, it's it's heavily debated,
577
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.880
and I'm on the side that doesn't
really believe in it. I believe
578
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.440
that people dissociate and go into some
sort of state where they may take on
579
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:49.079
another personality just to protect themselves.
But in the truest sense, you know,
580
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.239
meaning that one person has several different, fully formed personalities that exist within
581
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.679
themselves and that they have no control
over. I don't believe in it.
582
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.480
You know, many many cases have
been debunked. And I'm not saying that
583
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.559
people with DID don't have very serious
mental issues. I'm saying that I think
584
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.280
they do know what goes on when
another personality takes charge. They may dissociate
585
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.800
in the moment, hence the name
associative identity disorder, but I do think
586
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.400
that they have a memory of it, and Tracy proved that when she admitted
587
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.440
that she remembered every single detail of
the murder after her conviction. Of course,
588
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.480
before that, she claimed that another
personality had taken hold and that she
589
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.239
was a mere passenger who remembered nothing. You know, I completely understand Tracy's
590
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.119
need to create these other personalities to
protect herself after what she went through.
591
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.760
I just don't think that she lost
control of her body in her mind to
592
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.639
one of them. I think that
she knew what she was doing initially.
593
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.559
Maybe it went further than she intended, but she didn't know. I can't
594
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.119
even say that. She said I
want to go out searching for a victim,
595
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.400
and by that, I don't know
if she elaborated further and said I
596
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.199
want to search for a victim to
murder, or I want to search for
597
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.960
someone to drink their blood. I
do believe she said I want to find
598
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.119
someone to kill, and after she
killed him, you know, really didn't
599
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.000
show any sort of remorse. And
also so if you don't remember killing the
600
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.400
person in that moment, and then
you come back into your body and you
601
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.119
find yourself covered in blood holding a
knife, and you're in the car,
602
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you know, wiping yourself off with
a towel, you don't know what she
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just did. You know, wouldn't
you be freaked out and upset and crying
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and be like, oh my god, what have I done? Go turn
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yourself in, say I don't know
what happened. I snapped. She didn't
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do any of that. She just
left the scene, the card in the
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shoe that she put it there.
I think she I think she probably wanted
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some help, you know what I
mean? Like, I think she knew
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that if she went to prison,
that she would get medical help, like
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from a psychologist. I just don't
think, And maybe she wanted to cement
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that reputation for herself for the rest
of her life. You know, you
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don't fuck with me ever, because
I'll kill you. I'll sever your throat,
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I'll do what I did to this
man. But how would he have
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gotten hold of her bank card?
I think that she got it out and
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put it in a shoe. I
think she wanted to be caught. I
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do think she wanted help, But
you know, you could have just gone
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to a doctor instead of killing a
man. And I'm not laughing because I
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think it's funny. I'm laughing at
the utter absurdity of that logic if that's
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what happened. But I don't think
there was much logic involved in this.
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So who knows all that to say? No, I don't think she was
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a vampire. No, I don't
think that she really believed that she was
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a vampire. I think that she
had a lifetime of trauma and abuse that
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she really really needed some very intensive
psychotherapy for, and instead of doing that,
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she turned to you know, whatever
substances and just anger and rage and
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took it out on someone who had
absolutely nothing to do with any of you
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know, anything that ever happened to
her, just so completely random bystander.
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All right, that's enough debating over
with myself over whether or not multiple personality
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disorder exists. Do I want it
to, Yeah, because I think it's
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fascinating. But do I think that
it exists in the sense that you know,
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we've seen it in media. No, I don't. I think it's
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like a compartmentalization thing. I think
it's a defense mechanism and it's totally understandable.
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But I don't think that other personalities
take hold of your body because where
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are they coming from? These personalities
are they you know, they're they're They're
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in your head. They're being created
by your brain as a self defense mechanism.
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Especially in Tracy's case, you know, the personality she named all made
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00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.960
complete and total sense. It's like, well, this is very easy to
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see what each of these personalities is
and what it represents at certain points in
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your life and different traumatic events in
your life. All right, that I'll
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stop, and I'm gonna stop.
If you like what you hear, you
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can hear more episodes on Tuesdays and
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I'm on every social media thing.
I'm not gonna tell you again. You
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00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.800
know where I'm at, Hi,
Come see me, Come visit me.
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00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:27.679
I'm on Patreon. I'll tell you
about that one at Autumn's Audities podcast.
644
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.760
And you know I'm on all the
other places too. You've heard me say
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it ten thousand times at this point, not that many, I'm exaggerating.
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You know that. You know I
love hyperbole. It's one of my favorites.
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And you know that I appreciate you
listening. And remember, if it's
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creepy and weird, you'll find it
here.