5 YRS AGO DYNAMITE POST-SHOW: Bucks explain choosing Omega, Tyson referees Jericho vs. Dax, Darby vs. Hardy, live callers, emails

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Show five years ago.
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This week on the Donnamite Post Show, I was joined
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by Eric Krahl. We talked about that night's show right
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after it ended, which included the Young Bucks explaining their
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decision to align with Keny Omega and Don Kallis, and
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then the Bucks took on Pock and Ray Phoenix Darby
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defended the T and T title against Matt Hardy, So
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Jake Cargill against Red Velvet. We talked about the expectations
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for aw's increase in viewership without NXT as headhead competition
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going forward, and much more with live callers and emails.
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This originally live streamed on April fourteenth, twenty twenty one,
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and it is Today's Wade Keller Progrestlane post show five
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years ago Dynamite flashback for Saturday, April eleventh, twenty twenty six. So, Eric,
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I haven't talked to you since last week's show closing
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angle with the Young Bucks turning deal, but I kind
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of came away from the Bucks this week going is
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all is, how's it go? All's well? That ends?
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Well?
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Are they in a good spot now? The spot we've
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been waiting where they are clearly on one side or
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the other. Can can we be confident in that? I
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think we can be. I think we're seeing the Bucks
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this week be what people envisioned they would be one
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way or the other in terms of significant personalities in
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the mix on this show, well defined for the first
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time in over eighteen months.
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Well, I'll give you an answer in two parts. Yes,
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I think we're finally seeing a consistency to the Young
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Bucks characters. Nick is still mostly silent. He's not particularly
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a motive. Matt gives you a little bit more of that,
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but that's kind of always been the case with their team.
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Matt's better on the mic and Nick is the better worker.
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As for do the ends justify the means or however
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you started.
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I don't know.
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Man, I'm glad they ended up here, but man, it
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was inconsistent for how long has aw you been around?
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I mean since pretty much the the whole promotion it was,
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it was it was shit or get off the pod.
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It's you know, it's pick a lane, right, you choose
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your cliche.
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But yeah, we did there.
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Tonight from the from the different costumes. No more tassels
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there were, although Matt did.
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Have some frint, some fringe on his headband.
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Which Callus said, is gonna draw is gonna sell big
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in the merchandise table.
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Yeah, it could be if we have get fans back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, what did you think you were? Did? Did they
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get there eventually?
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Yeah? So I said, all's well, that ends well, which
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is different. Does the ends justify the means? If we're
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gonna dissect cliches and you and I could probably do that.
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I don't think the ends justifies the means because the
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way we got here is unjustifiable. I mean it was
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just awful and a waste of time, lost opportunities to
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get the bucks over all of that. But all's well,
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that ends well is a little different in the sense
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that you're sort of saying I think we'll forgive the past,
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not justify it, but forgive it. If and maybe we're
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willing to give a fresh start, because hey, at least there.
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If they can't have a good week and get credit
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for it, you know what's the point. So I think
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this was a really good week. I think it was
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a good step in the right direction. Don Kellison, Matt
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Jackson cutting promost for that group with Kenny Omega chiming
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in with a few weird things, not overdoing it while
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the others kind of cheerlead and Nick Sulks works for
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me as a dynamic. I want to see them build
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on it, I want to say them, I want to
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see them stay away from irony swerves and insider references
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and watch great nineteen eighties, early nineteen eighties, late seventies
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promos and build on that because their muscle memory is
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go to inside references, irony swerves, winks at the audience.
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They can go back to that later if it fits in,
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but I'd say in the meantime, go watch late seventies,
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early eighties, any great promos and build on that approach,
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because I think the talent is there and the personalities
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are there, and the heel obnoxiousness is there, and as
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we saw tonight, the in ring skill is certainly there
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with the Bucks. So I'm excited to watch the Bucks
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next week. And I had don't remember ever coming out
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of an episode of Dynamite in eighteen months going I'm
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excited to see the Bucks next week. I've seen them
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in good matches, but it's sort of like that's self contained.
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Now I want to see them gross characters there.
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Well, I've never been as down on the Bucks as
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you have throughout this, even if I've been frustrated at
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are they booking themselves type approach. To your point about
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the inside insidery stuff, I mean, during that promo near
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the end of the show that was pre taped and
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outside somebody said during that, what a promo?
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And when they did the fake superkick, hey are you
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doing a rib?
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I mean there was some insider terms, but that might
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have been the Good brothers who disappear from television that
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I would not miss them a single bit.
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And that's what I want them to move away from.
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That's sort of my point. I'm trying to stress the
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positive and make a note on what I hope they
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move away from because they have enough talent not to
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have to do that, Like you don't need to pop us.
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Like I always felt Don Kallous on commentary and promos, well,
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he had praise heaped upon him too often. I feel
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like he's trying to pop the boys in the back,
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like his commentary is built is based around too often.
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And I know there's this other slice to it, but
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too much of what he has done over the years
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seems like it's meant to curry favor with the insider
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fans who go, oh, I know what that meant. Yeay,
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he's talking to me, and I want him to grow
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beyond that. This is national television on TNT. Stop trying
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to pop the boys in the back and get some
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internet buzz and do some money promos, bring in that
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second million, sell some pay per view buys. The fans
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that they're catering to, alter catering to with their muscle
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memory promos and insider references. They got them and they're
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going to keep them if they have good matches in
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good character development. So stop the being the elite stuff,
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stop the pop the boys in the back watching on
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the monitor, and get in the business of selling tickets
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When they can.
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You know.
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I was gonna send a question into the Fixed mail
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bag this week, but I answered my own question in
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my own head. I was going to say, Wade Keller,
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is it possible that there is a way to draw
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money that is not just the sort of time honored
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way that you'd like to see the promotion draw money?
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And I thought, maybe that's what aw is doing. And
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then I realized, oh, yeah, they haven't been able to
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break beyond.
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The first million fans.
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So I think I answer my own question, can you
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draw money a different way the sort of the way
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the Bucks and Omega have done since since the lead
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up to all in with being the elite? And I
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guess the answer at the end of the day is yes,
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to a certain point, you've got to try something different
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to get the next million. Maybe it might be your
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sort of old timey traditionalist approach.
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Maybe that's the way to go.
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Yeah, and it has always worked. Yeah, And I'll push
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back against old timey. I mean, I think good grammar
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is timeless and newspaper writing, right, Like, if somebody starts
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not following grammars, you know, oh you're old time You
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wanting me to use a comma properly or or not
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say try try and do, but say try to do,
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because that's clearly better and correct and not a sloppy colloquialism.
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So I pushed back against this framing because I think
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if you do that, you sort of define it in
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a way where needlessly people who are currently in the
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business go, well, I want to move it forward. But
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to me, you don't move it forward by taking a
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train off the tracks because you think a train on
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tracks feels old school trains on the tracks because you
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need parallel metal strips for the wheels to stay inside.
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That's timeless. That's how you move a train. And I
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think you sell tickets by immersing people in an environment
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that subtracts as you grow larger. The wink no insider stuff.
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I mean, they think they've proven they can get to
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a million fans and sell out mid sized.
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Arenas with this approach.
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But I think the theme of this year and since
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they debuted Sting in December, has been how do we
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get to the next million? They I don't know if
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they've acknowledged that or not, but it's certainly been a theme.
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It's been the podcasts, yeah, and it's I think You
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don't pay money to bring in Sting in Big Show
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and Christian Cage and Mike Tyson unless you are looking
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to grow the audience. Cody doesn't do the mainstream TV
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appearance unless you know you're trying to bring in new fans.
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That's what it's all about, whether they've publicly acknowledged that
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or not.
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Yeah, and I want to say a little wink to
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the audience now and then I'm cool with I'm not
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going to like, you know, throw throw my you know,
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sandwich at the TV screen if there's some you know
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comment where you can you know it's got an undercurrentive
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insider reference and some people get it, some don't. What
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I don't want is for them to think that job
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well done if they're clever, super serving the being the
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elite type audience. And so that's what I'm It's not
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like I'm oh, you can never break the fourth wall
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or anything. You can do that stuff, just don't make
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it seem like that's how you judge whether you've succeeded.
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And yeah, I mean I think they ought to want
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to grow beyond the level that they're at now. I
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would adjust my thinking and my viewpoints if I saw
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evidence that it was kind of a passe or it
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had it had had its time, had its day, and
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something else is working. But I think the evidence is
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it's time to try something different to get that next level.
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They're successful. I think they have reason to be proud
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of where they are. Often a top ten demo show
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on TNT on cable that means less than it did five, ten,
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and twenty years ago, but it's still something, and it's
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enough to keep them around. I just yeah, I just
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want to see them kind of step back and go, hey,
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can we learn from the all time greats? Are there
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some things that we were doing? Like the bucks? One
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said Eric in a promo No, in a some sort
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of interview. I wish I could remember it and credit it.
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Actually it was probably at I don't know if it
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was at all in or not, but anyway, it doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter. I just can't remember. They said all
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we need are two thousand fans, and if they spend
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two hundred dollars a year on us, we can make
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a good living. Two thousand fans one hundred two hundred
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bucks each. They can make a good living. They can
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make you know, one hundred thousand some dollars on the
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endy scene, but we need two thousand hardcore fans will
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follow us, Drive, buy merch, buy all the new T shirts.
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That's great and that worked for them, but it's TNT.
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You're drawing eight nine hundred a million people, you're on
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pay per view. You got to change that approach now
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and broaden out the appeal. And that's what I'm i'mrging for.
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I don't think what they did was wrong. I just
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think they're on a different stage, different platform now.
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I mean, the company's less than two years old, and
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that New Japan does. I have loved a lot of
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the product in recent years, and I hold them to
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a higher standard. Like when I'm creating a pay per view,
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I say, oh, WWE, that's very good, even if it matches,
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you know, three and a half stars. I'm like, Wow,
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expect five star matches on a New Japan and on
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AW pay per views. So it's there is somewhat of,
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you know, a higher bar for the promotions that are
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doing better creatively than WWE.
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Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post show for Wednesday, April fourteenth,
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twenty one. I'm Wade Keller, editor publisher of the Pro
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Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter, and I'm joined today by Eric Kroll,
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a former Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter columnist circa nineteen ninety.
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That's crazy, Eric, I know we always say that, but
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it's great.
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I know.
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But you know, I would point out that even if
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the listener here might think you're trying to drag me
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for being so old, it also means you've been publishing
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The Torch for more than thirty years.
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I know. Don't forget that.
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I don't mean I think it's something to be proud
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of that thirty years ago you're writing for the newsletter.
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The newsletter is still in business and here we are
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talking wrestling. I mean, I think that's cool. Yeah, definitely
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not trying to drag. It's just it's fun to have
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you back on after having you on my radio show
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on KFN in the early nineties, and man, if you
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would have said yeah, like twenty twenty one, at the
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end of an internation near the end hopefully of an
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international pandemic. We were still talking wrestling or had come
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out of talk wrestling again. I think that'd be awesome.
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Yeah, I would not have foreseen that.
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How about twenty fifty two? What are you doing?
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We'll be talking through the chips in our brains, I think.
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Yes, yes, Speaking of talking, we want to add to
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march through calls, and we'll certainly cover more topics than
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than just the bucks. Callus and Kenny and that other
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team you want to see go away, Eric Uh. And
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we'll begin here with aera code eight zero one eight
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zero one go at state trename and where you're calling from.
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This is Derek.
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I'm from UCA.
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Hey, Derek, it's been a while. Now let me say this,
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and you might be one of those people, but I
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mentioned sert this a minute ago. If anybody watched Dynamite tonight,
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you know, really watched NXT on Wednesday nights, I'd really
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like to hear from you and get your impression of
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the show. You probably watch some of it, but like,
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how'd you feel about your Wednesday now being by default
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if you're gonna watch First Round Wrestling AW instead of NXT,
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So consider yourself invited, Derek over to you. I don't
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know if you're one of those people, but welcome.
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I am indeed one of those people. I think I've
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watched almost every ADW Dynamite, but most of the time
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I watch it after the fact on Thursday or sometimes
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Friday after I'm done with school, and I watched NXT
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live because it's been the product that I prefer of
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the two. Not saying I don't like AW, just NXT generally.
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It kind of fits my need as a wrestling fan more.
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But with that said, you know, you know, watching Dynamite tonight,
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this is one of the best Dynamites i've seen, not
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because the wrestling itself was better than usual, though I
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think on the large was. But generally when I watch AW,
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there's always been one or two segments it's kind of
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grown inducing or a match between people who just kind
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of come across as amateurs to me or not big
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league or not ready for the big leagues, and tonight
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there was none of that. I thought it was a
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really solid show from start to finish.
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Eric, let me ask you, because we've talked very specific
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in the micro step back Macro, was this a good
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episode of Dynamite, especially in the context of it being
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a show that is going to be It's going to
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have been watched live by a bunch of people who
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normally weren't watching it live, and probably a bunch of
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people who didn't watch them very much. Anyway, NXT last
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night was up substantially in viewership, and we've got details
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at pwtorch dot com on that if people want to
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dig into the numbers. But it was an increased run
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ext so certainly I expect AW to be up to
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NXT went from seven hundred and sixty eight thousand viewers
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for Takeover last week to eight hundred five thousand this week,
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and they're well above their six hundred fifty three thousand
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average in the first quarter of this year, up around
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one hundred and fifty thousand, So I spake to aw
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to have an increased too. So, Eric, was this a
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good show in general and a good show in the
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context of we're introducing ourselves to some new fans or
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trying to win people over who only watched us on delay.
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Yeah, it was a good show for it in both contexts.
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I mean the show itself. If you were you had
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a great match at the start, a world class tag
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team match. You had a good match in the middle
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with Jericho and Dex Harwood, and then you had this
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overbooked spectacle at the end with a guy and.
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Tony accepts the compliment.
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Yeah, and the Cody thought that main event was a
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bit overbooked. To give you an idea, I'm kidding, I did,
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but you know you had if you tuned in, you
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got the great match at the start, and then you
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had you saw Chris Jericho in the middle and Matt
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Hardy at the end. So if you were a new fan, hey,
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those are guys I recognize. It allows you to ground
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yourself a little bit.
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As for.
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I think this show it had more room to breathe.
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It didn't feel quite as breakneck paced where they were
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jamming in fifty things. They there were more video setups,
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there were a couple squashes, and there were actually two
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women's matches this week, which I guess when they were
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going ahead to head they never thought they could do
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more than one because.
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It would kill them in the ratings or something.
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So that was noticeable. And then they had angles from
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last week were followed up on, which isn't always the
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case with AW. It's one of the frustrations is they
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have a hot angle and they don't follow it up.
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But all the I think all the hot angles from
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last week were followed up, including the Bucks coming out
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at the start of the show to say, here's.
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Why we turned right in the very top yes promo Yeah.
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And then you had Tyson, a great MJF Tyson quick
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little skit backstage that again followed up on something that
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happened last week. So to that extent, they seem to
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try to be answering their critics a little bit. That's
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for a w and my experience, that's made easier when
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the show is taped as opposed to when it's live.
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When it's live, they still are working out some of
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the kinks in that regard, and they don't have chances
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to do sort of overdubs on the commentary, like they're
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very noticeable when Tony or Excalibur does an overdub. And yeah,
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but you know, I think I think.
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Slowing it down a little bit.
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And to Derek's good point, no amateurs on the show
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that's turned him off in the past. We didn't have
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Marco Stunt, we didn't have kind of the more indie
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guys out there kind of sticking out a little bit
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like a sore thumb, And so probably they got off
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to a good the right foot with some of the
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NXT folks and who might be watching for the first time,
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watching and not flipping back and forth for the first time.
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Yeah, Derek is aw gon to be destination Wednesday nights
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for you now in addition to watching NXT on Tuesdays
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or are you is that too much?
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Oh?
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You know, when I'm available, i'd make a point to
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watch live wrestling. So yeah, for sure, I think I've
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cut almost every episode. I think the difference that I
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noticed tonight is in the past. I mean, you brought
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up like Amateur Hour, But it's not just I don't
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want to like discredit the talent saying they come across
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as amateurs. I just think a lot of times, like
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especially with the women or some of the less experienced guys,
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their matches are going like ten minutes, where I'm like,
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a man, if this was five minutes, this would be
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so much better. And I think a good example tonight
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is we know Jada Cargill and Velvet's Red Velvet are
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not the most experienced, but I thought they were at
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what they were asked to do tonight to fill the
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time that they were asked to fill. They did a
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good and it didn't feel like it was bloated or
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they were doing things that they shouldn't do on live
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TV with a live, you know, television audience. It felt
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right like it was. It felt like pros. They look
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like pros out there. They moved with meaning, they packed
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the impact. It wasn't perfect, but the aggression was there.
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And a lot of times I see, especially with spot matches,
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it seems like choreographed movements instead of two people who
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are trying to knock the other one down and I
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thought those women did a really good job of the intensity,
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the impact and the purposefulness of what they were doing
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was definitely intact, which you don't always see with less
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experienced wrestlers. So I thought those gals did a really
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good job.
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I think it's smart too when they do the live
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tape live tape rotation, you know, to strategically put some
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of the greener wrestlers in an environment with less pressure.
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So if there is a screw up, you know, like
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Ria Ripley and Oscar would have been nice red the
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spot at WrestleMania that didn't go well or was it
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raw or was it both? And and so you know
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when they're when there are when there's less experience or
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something goes really wrong, it gives them a net where
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something can be edited. And that might be something. God,
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if I look went back and looked, maybe we would
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see a pattern there, you know, where you can round
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out some of the rough edges, or go to a
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different camera angle and retrospect and post at it. But
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it's good observation, dere admit it. You love Nick Barbatty
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I think my last comment, and then I'll let you
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guys get on the other callers and there's kind of
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piggybacks on your conversation on the Bucks to start the show.
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This is the version of the young Bucks that I
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think is the most successful where they can still hit
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their high flying moves and their innovative offense. But if
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you notice when they were doing some of their trademark
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offense today, the in between stuff is where they have
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you know, the smurk or the taunting or things that nature.
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And I think they're going to be well served in
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this environment because I remember and Ring of Honor, I
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kind of felt like in getting themselves over, they killed
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the product because they were supposed to be heels, but
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they just completely undercut every Babyface team that they worked
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with because the Babyfaces couldn't get over because the Bucks
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were doing the better, more entertaining offense and get in.
508
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The crowd was eating the Bucks, you know, eating the
509
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Bucks stuff, cheering like mad for them and all the
510
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other guys who are trying to outspot the Bucks, they're
511
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just going to come across his second best. But in
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this environment where the crowds not going to get organically
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get behind the Bucks because it's a smaller arena, I
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think it's going to allow Babyface teams to get the
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one up on the Bucks, which works when they're showing
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that smirky air again, taunting mannerisms that they do. The
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only reason the Hill does that is so the Babyface
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can stick it to them, And in this environment, when
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the baby Face sticks it to them, the crowd's going
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to cheer instead of cheering the Bucks. So I think
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this could work really well, and I think this is
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the best version of the Bucks, and it's going to
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be helped by the current environment that we're in.
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Yeah, yeah, no, really good point. I want to get
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Eric Stots on kind of the future of the Bucks
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in the context of how to best feature them as
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heels with the goal being to get booed, not get
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the ironic cheers. During that match, they showed I was
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gonna say Lucha House Party, Luch Sourus and Jungle Boy
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at ringside scu and was it oh Butcher and Blade
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and Bunny. She seemed like she was ready to fall asleep,
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but that was intentional. Do they have enough teams that
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the Bucks will be booed against? Because, like when I
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look at the landscape, I think eventually Jericho and Sammy
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as baby faces against the Bucks works. You can have
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Eddie Kingston and John Moxley against the Bucks. That would work.
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I think the fans would cheer the baby face teams there,
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But as far as the full time tag teams, do
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they have enough who where the Bucks have the opponents
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necessary and not end up being the cool, cheered heels,
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which I hope is AW is not Aw's goal.
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I mean, to Derek's point, the the Bucks got over
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big in New Japan. They're you know, national, I guess
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sort of. It was a big stage for them. They
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got over and they were cool heels, right. I mean,
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there's a reason everyone's wearing Bullet Club merchandise a number
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of years ago, even if they didn't know what the
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00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.000
hell the bullet Club was, it was it was the
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cool heel thing. And so for them, the psychology in
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this match with Phoenix and Pac was different normally.
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I mean, it was the standard psychology of a match.
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It's just the Bucks have been on the opposite side
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of it for so long selling as baby faces like
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crazy to do the hot tag, which you know.
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Is a tried and true formula.
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They were now they were getting the heat on Phoenix
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and Pac today, and Phoenix and Poc are I guess tweeners.
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So you could see as for teams for them to face,
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you could see them being you know, you could see
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them facing some tweener teams and maybe it's heel versus heel,
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but the opponents are shading a little more babyface in
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that particular match to make up for the fact that
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they don't have a bunch of hot baby face teams ready.
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You could turn Private Party and they could be up.
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You know, the baby Face team.
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They could get a run with the Bucks and you've
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got Jungle Boy and Lucasaurus as as you noted the
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Bucks and their promo by the way, Yeah, near the
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end of the show, you've got they put the tag
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team division un notice, which was weird because they're the champions,
571
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but uh they called out SCU, best Friends and Butcher
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and Blade, So I don't know if that's the those
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are the matches they're.
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Settling they're heading toward.
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But you know, there's been that SCU storyline where the
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next time they lose a tag match, they're breaking up
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as a team, and that was always destined to end
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with SCU losing to the Bucks on TV and then
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breaking up. Best Friends are good for you know, a
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short run. They are maybe not houlding the Belts for
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six months or anything, but they can be penciled in
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to at least reasonably well in a feud, as the
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baby Faces before before losing.
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So yeah, and hopefully' flown off on TV not pay
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per view.
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Yeah, I.
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Yeah, and I think, you know, I guess there's enough. Yeah,
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they have enough wrestlers on the roster who are underutilized
589
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that they and they have so many tag teams, They've
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00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.160
got an endless supply of people they can heat up.
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Give them eight wins on Dark and Dark Elevation and
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Dark the third and Dark the fourth, and they can
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00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.079
they can have them number one of the rankings based
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on a bunch of squash wins and pull the trigger
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on it.
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Quality of opposition is not a big factor in a
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OU rankings, and Britt Baker sort of made a mockery
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of that, you know, with her I'm going to go
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win a bunch of matches on Elevation against nobody's and
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then I'm going to be a number one contender and
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she's sort of kind of hanging a lantern on that
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flow in the system. So as it is at this point.
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Was that too meta for you? Wade? What?
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00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.039
Oh that Britt Baker? Oh no, no, that was okay.
605
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.319
I know sometimes you clutch your pearls about the insider
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references and when they get to excess.
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So I just want didn't take your temperature. Seehere the
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line is dry.
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I think that's totally storyline. I mean, I think she's like,
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I'm gonna get I'm going to be twelve and one
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and I'm going to get a title shot. I mean,
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that's a he'll take an advantage of the system, the
613
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same way he'll take an advantage of a distracted referee.
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Is taking advantage of the system, it's not. I mean,
615
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.759
the record is it's it's a legit record, but it's
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it's in the storyline, so it works for me.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Derek, any closing words from you, and then
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we'll get to a bunch of other people on holder.
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00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.400
Yeah, I think you weighed Your suggestion of putting the
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Bucks against John Boxley and Eddie Kingston is probably the
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best from in my perspective, because when I see like
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a Babyface team that's all through athletic but very proud
624
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of themselves for being such I kind of just want
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00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.160
to see more guys who are more aggressive and more streaks.
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00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.000
For lack of a better term, you just want to
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00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.440
see those guys get beat up. I mean, it's the
628
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:14.880
old Michael seven where when Seaw Michaels was so cocky
629
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.559
chomping on his gum the way he does, which is
630
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.599
the way the Young Bucks chomp on their gum. You
631
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.759
want to see someone punch that guy in the and
632
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.240
in ninety seven that was the Undertaker. You want to
633
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.160
see the Undertaker just beat the living daylights out of
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Sean Michaels. And I think the Young Bucks, given the
635
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.599
heal mannerisms they were showcasing today, I want to see
636
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.880
John Moxley and Eddie Kingston not do spot for spot
637
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.640
with the Bucks. I want to see them punch the
638
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.599
Bucks in the face. And to me, that works, That's
639
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.000
a matchup that works on that level. So thanks for
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00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.920
taking my call, gentlemen, and I hope to talk to
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00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.039
you again on a Wednesday.
642
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.720
Sounds good, Derek Good, you're a new voice here on
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the show with a new schedule. Thanks for thanks for
644
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.279
all the good kind of Yeah. By the way, Taza's son,
645
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.759
as Taza's Son is called, was the one chopping on
646
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.759
gum this week, so he's got he's got that gimmick cornered.
647
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.440
At this point, the yes I like the idea, you know,
648
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.000
the analogy and pulling from history like that Eric Uh
649
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.720
makes sense, you know, just having the big bad undertaker. Uh,
650
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.839
just paunch Michaels and Michael's pump like crazy for me.
651
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.039
And the Bucks are good at at getting sympathy and
652
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.759
doing the hot tag, but they can also sell like
653
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:28.839
crazy in a way that's gonna make the baby faces pop.
654
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.440
And some of the great heels in history have made
655
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their money off of the you know, whether there's Nick
656
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.119
Bockwinkle's Great Bumps or Shawn Michael's Great bumps. Steve Austin
657
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.279
is a heel, is stunning, Steve especially just great flat
658
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.480
back bumps. There's all these this this lineage of people
659
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.400
who just take great bumps for baby faces, and you
660
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.839
know Tully and arn in their day to Dusty's bonic elbow.
661
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.240
That there's money to be made there and the Bucks
662
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.759
should be great at that. If they you know, go,
663
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.480
if they if they lean it full in on that.
664
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I think Derek laid out the path for where they're
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headed for the next pay per view at the end
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of May. I think they're definitely headed toward I would
667
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.720
think that Moxley needs a match, right, and it's Moxley
668
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.359
and Eddie Kingston versus the Bucks, and Eddie Kingston can
669
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.640
eat the pin and then they can have the punchy
670
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.279
thing that you laid out.
671
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.880
Yeah, yep. One thing I'll say with the Bucks is
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and this applies to kind of the meta stuff, which,
673
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like I said, I'm okay a little bit here and there.
674
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.720
Don't hang your hat on that as a success story
675
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.319
because you happened to hit a few few few insider
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00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:30.799
comments out of the park to pop the boys in
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00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.759
the back and the insider fans. So with that as
678
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:34.200
kind of the layout, I feel the same way about
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the matches with the Bucks, like curate a little bit,
680
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like I thought, mocking the hot tag and in the
681
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right the riling up the crowd, like that's great, you know,
682
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I like, that's what But when he did when he
683
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.400
dropped to his knees and did the crocodile tears at
684
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the expense of his opponent recovering, it just it seemed
685
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.200
like one one step too far. Just save that for
686
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the next match, don't don't fit it all, don't try
687
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.960
to put it all into one match. And you want
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00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.839
to have respect for the Bucks, that they're not just
689
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.160
so into show voting that they don't take the match
690
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.599
seriously like at this stage of the game. And I
691
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.759
thought that was just one one section I would have
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edited out of them sort of mocking the mocking the
693
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whole situation now being heels.
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Yeah, is Han Solo once told Luke Skywalker, don't get cocky, kid.
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Yes, it's next level coverage that you come to expect
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evacuous social media experience that I know many of you
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regret once you get lost in it for minutes, if
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not hours at a time, and settle in for high
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quality PW Torch branded wrestling coverage. All Right, we'll go
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to uh seven eight one next, and then uh four
705
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.199
oh no, we'll probably go to after that seventy eight one.
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Go and state your name and where you're calling from.
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00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.000
Seven eight one? Are you muted? We can't hear you?
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00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.039
Seven eight one. I'm going to hang up on you
709
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if you get hung up on that was you, and
710
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then just call back and push one and we'll bring
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you in next in line. So for one zero you
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are up. Go ahead, state your name and where you're
713
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calling from.
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Hi, this is Steve from Baltimore.
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Hey Steve, get it from you.
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Yeah.
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So what do you think of Dynamite tonight?
718
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Whatever?
719
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I liked it a lot. Main event though, I think
720
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.440
they went overboard with the kicking out of the twist
721
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.880
of fade on the chair and then the leg drop
722
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.960
off the ladder. Just unrealistic that somebody's gonna kick out
723
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.480
of that stuff.
724
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:45.880
Yeah, Eric, what do you think about that? Did it
725
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.079
go too far? I mean you you had your your
726
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.920
wry explanation of how they would frame it or how
727
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.559
people critic I felt it worked both ways. Some people go, yeah,
728
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.320
that's a compliment, but it wasn't initially meant as such.
729
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.599
Yeah, I mean, as as Steve noted, I literally my
730
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.480
notes wrote down, shouldn't a pilmanized twist of fate outside
731
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:09.599
the ring be a finisher?
732
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.039
Yeah?
733
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.599
And same for a leg drop through a table? Shouldn't
734
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:14.519
that have been the finisher?
735
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:14.920
Right?
736
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.840
I asked that those questions and then when I saw
737
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.320
him hitting the coffin drop through a table through a
738
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.880
table off the scaffolding, I thought, well, for sure that's
739
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.360
the finisher, and not just because it was eight fifty
740
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:31.800
nine PMSU when that happened. But yeah, they you know,
741
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.440
Jim Cornett will be having an aneurysm tomorrow if he
742
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.360
has a show tomorrow. I'm not a listener, but shouldn't
743
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.480
that have been the finisher? I had other questions about
744
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:46.119
this match though, too. The overbooked part is like Ethan
745
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.000
Page and Scorpio are coming down. Okay, so I get
746
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.360
Dark Order versus the Hardy Family Office because that's been
747
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.199
established for a few weeks. But this other random team
748
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.559
decides to do an interject and then Lance Archer.
749
00:36:59.280 --> 00:36:59.800
Comes out, and.
750
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.280
Why is he saving Sting? Is it because Sting said
751
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.480
something nice about him last week during the promo, like
752
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.159
you're a star, you should be booked like a star.
753
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.960
Whatever Sting said? And then why did Sting leave after
754
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:13.519
tossing Darby the bat?
755
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.119
I mean, bad.
756
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.199
Stuff still could have happened there, you know, if you
757
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.159
if you are looking at that main event match from
758
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.800
a critical stand, but with a critical eye, lots of
759
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.119
questions left. I mean it was still fun, right if
760
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.599
you turn your brain off, it was you know, crash
761
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.719
crashing through tables and pilmanized chairs to the head and
762
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.920
and and it was enjoyable, but overbooked for sure.
763
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.440
Yeah. Yeah, again it gets to the whole. I mean,
764
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.840
I think I said it pre Dynamite with AW using
765
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.880
the term curated. I just, you know, you don't want
766
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.440
to go through a museum where there's not a curator
767
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.440
and everything in the storage room is just jammed on
768
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.360
the walls because more is better, And I think that's
769
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.840
just they're just you know, editing is called for. With AW,
770
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:59.280
I think it'd be good for them to have somebody
771
00:37:59.320 --> 00:37:59.880
with an eye for that.
772
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:00.280
Go.
773
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.559
Okay, I know you're trying to tell the story of
774
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.480
Ethan Page AND's guy in. They're in, they're here, and
775
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.599
you've dropped some hints cutting to the cutaways to them
776
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.360
watching and reacting to things. But this when we look
777
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:12.960
at when we step back and look at everything going
778
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.079
on in this match, I think we're telling so many
779
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.440
stories we're gonna lose some of the effect and lead
780
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.280
people just sort of confused. On top of that, like
781
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.280
what you said with the finishes, it's if you're gonna
782
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.719
have a big spot in a kickout, like you know,
783
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.480
make it count, make it memorable by having it not
784
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.760
be followed by three more instances of that. And when
785
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.519
you have so much craziness going on, have big spots
786
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.639
lead to lead to near falls, but they're not kickouts.
787
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.639
It's someone interfering in the pin. It's it's it's legal,
788
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.639
so you have an excuse to extend a match more
789
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.360
believably if somebody's interfering with the cover rather than actually
790
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.559
having kickouts, and then it doesn't seem quite as realistic. Unrealistic.
791
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.880
But I mean that you know in the opening tag
792
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.000
that rightfully so is being complimented. I mean there was
793
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.400
what I can't remember the exact spot Ray Phoenix eight,
794
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.159
and then like five seconds later he was doing some
795
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.039
sort of graceful high spot. You know, I think you
796
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.280
can fit in the dazzling moves and do so in
797
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.079
a way that doesn't involve you know, these these Tommy
798
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.159
Drummer comebacks where you get beaten up for ten minutes
799
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:17.920
and then suddenly, who who, You're one hundred percent again
800
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.880
with all your powers restored. It's not a video game,
801
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.079
so work to make it a little more, a little
802
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.400
more realistic, and I think it ultimately doesn't make the
803
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.760
match less enjoyable when you apply that kind of discipline
804
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:27.280
in editing.
805
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.719
But is that Does that get over with the younger fans?
806
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.800
Is that why they have such a strong younger fan
807
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:35.800
base and do better in the demo?
808
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:37.239
Is it?
809
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.000
Is it they're in their minds, they're taking it to
810
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.719
the next level, and that's how they're connecting with younger.
811
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.599
Fans and new generation, and we're just old and cranky.
812
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.559
I think I think they're connecting with the new fans
813
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:55.800
because there's cool characters and there's athletic moves. But I
814
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.800
think it's a mistake to say because something is present,
815
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.719
that's necessarily why, and not peel away the layer and
816
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:04.480
go that can be present, but it can be present
817
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.519
in a better in a better structure, with a more
818
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.400
realistic presentation. Like I just I don't think you need
819
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.760
to follow up one high spot with another with another,
820
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.480
because I think it waters down the effect of them all.
821
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.320
I think you're gonna have those three high spots that
822
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.519
are awesome, but paste them out in a way that
823
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.079
just fits some more realistic structure. And I think those
824
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:25.639
young fans are going to still be there for that
825
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:27.800
relative to whatever it is that they're not attracted to
826
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.880
about Wwe Steve anything else for us.
827
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.880
Yeah. Also when you're take into contact the whole show,
828
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.719
and if the referee was applying the same standard that
829
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.440
they did for Anthony A Goo goo that mastered him
830
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:39.559
stuff ten times.
831
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.239
Yeah, that was one of my big ripes on this show.
832
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.239
I didn't I didn't like. I thought the finish was
833
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.719
stupendously stupid, stupendously dumb. H the idea that we're trying
834
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.480
to put over a boxer. I get that you're trying
835
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.679
to put over that he's you know, has a great punch.
836
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.920
But if every time somebody keeled over because they lost
837
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.280
their win, you stopped the match. I mean, how many
838
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.239
times when Hardy and Darbumen stopped many times, would pretty
839
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.679
much every match in all of progressing history have been stopped?
840
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.719
You know? It's just there's other ways to get over
841
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.920
a punch without the referee doing something a referee has
842
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.079
never done before, which is call off a match because
843
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:16.440
that guy is expressing pain from a move. I just
844
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.280
thought that was dumb. Eric, What did it jump out
845
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:18.440
to you?
846
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.719
I mean, after this squash match and the way it was,
847
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.320
I still can't tell whether this guy is any good.
848
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.320
If he's ready for prime time, I will push back
849
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.760
on your your stomach punch thing. I think it was
850
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.480
just a callback to Ron Garvin hands a stone and
851
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.320
him knocking a guy out with his illegal closed fist.
852
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:41.679
I'm just kidding. No, it was terrible.
853
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.719
Yeah, it makes no sense and undercuts makes literally every
854
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.679
other wrestler who's ever wrestled look weak by comparison because
855
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:49.599
they couldn't take a punch to the stomach.
856
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.920
Well and like all thing, all they had to do
857
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.079
is have the jobb or just wave his hand of
858
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.239
the raft go I want to stop. I mean, that's
859
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.840
that's all they needed to do. Like why is or not?
860
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.000
You know, a match producer backstage saying, hey, this makes
861
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.079
no sense, but if Cole Carter waves off the match
862
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:09.719
with his hand, the reft can go are you sure?
863
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.119
And he goes yeah, Now you've got the wrestler basically
864
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.159
saying I can't breathe. That's the worst punch I've ever
865
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.559
felt before. I've been in matches. I'm a rookie, but
866
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:19.400
I've been in tough matches before. And come back. I
867
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.119
can't come back from this punch. You'd communicate that, but
868
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.000
not put the referee in a position to do something
869
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.360
that the referee doesn't do in any other match he has.
870
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.079
It comes across as a storyline, a gimmick in search
871
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.360
of a finish, instead of some sort of logical finish
872
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.440
that puts over the gimmick. So yeah, steep back to you, Yeah,
873
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.079
or just pen of afterwards. Either there is that totally
874
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.199
And that's the thing, Like, how wild and crazy for
875
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.079
you Steve to come up with something so inconmendial as
876
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.119
I punched a guy and he's so hurt he can't
877
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.199
breathe and he can't kick out.
878
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.159
I think the point was to like get him over
879
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.119
in some sort of mm A modern way, But I
880
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.679
just it fell flat to me. And you would think
881
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.039
when they were looking at the tape they themselves could tell.
882
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.760
But I mean they'd already shot the match, So what
883
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:04.280
are you gonna do?
884
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.559
Yeah, and a go goo could move in for another
885
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.760
punch and the raft could go no, no, no, you know,
886
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:10.679
I need to call it off. But he wasn't even
887
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:12.400
doing that. If you're going for MMA, the RAF calls
888
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.480
off the fight generally, you know when a guy goes
889
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.519
down and then the opponent's going in for our punches,
890
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.679
and refs like I just can't submit, I can't lead
891
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.039
this guy this vulnerable to more attack and I would
892
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:22.880
have loved that, but but you know, because in wrestling
893
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.960
that never happens. But it would have been an extra
894
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.039
step of at least self awareness that you got to
895
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.880
do a little something astro. But uh, Steve, Yeah, back.
896
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.119
Too well for to night.
897
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.320
Glad, Thank you Goo, Thanks Youeve. I was good for you.
898
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.760
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Oh.
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Now they called back. They pushed one. We still can't
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hear them going once, going twice. They dropped off. All
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right bye, sorry, all right, let's go next to Sky
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Hey, guys, it's hitting from London, Ontario.
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Hey, good here from you. What you think annamit tonight?
939
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.000
Yeah?
940
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.800
A good show today. Just a couple of couple of
941
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.679
notes regarding the opening part. Like the I like the
942
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:58.639
fact that they started with the young Bucks promo to
943
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.719
lead into the match. I just wish they didn't splice
944
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.679
in the MJF Mike Tyson's segment right in the middle
945
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.400
of that. I'd rather they just focus get the viewer
946
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.960
to focus on one thing throughout the show. But speaking
947
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.280
of that, that old the whole Mike Tyson involvement. So,
948
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.840
first off, I like Chris Jericho's promo before his match
949
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.960
with Deux Harwood. I like that he I called even
950
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.559
last week saying that I like that he's apologizing because
951
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:31.880
you don't see a newly turned babyface apologize virtually at all. Right,
952
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.840
So it's that's a really and the fact that he's
953
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.400
continuing to do it, I think is a strong point.
954
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.199
A weakness of the promo was in kind of trying
955
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.360
to explain why Mike Tyson was present last week. It's like,
956
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.519
I appreciate the effort, but why does a babyface five
957
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.800
man group need backup from a heel five five man group?
958
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.880
Like you should be you should be braver than that.
959
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.119
And also mentioned in to Zach last week that there's
960
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.320
really no good way for this to end be because
961
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.199
either Tyson turns on the Inner Circle and they mimic
962
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.480
Austin versus d X or ninety eight, or they keep
963
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.480
Tyson a baby Face and he joined the Inner Circle,
964
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.800
which he did today, and it's basically Inner Circle having
965
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.360
a one man advantage over the Pinnacle for you know,
966
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.599
the next time he's on, like during the pay per view.
967
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:24.320
So I'm not I'm not too fond of the use
968
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.159
of Tyson here. Otherwise I thought the match was good.
969
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.000
But yeah, your guys's thoughts on this?
970
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:32.159
Yeah, Eric, what do you think?
971
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:33.280
I mean?
972
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.960
I think as far as Tyson goes, he's He was
973
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.840
brought in last week because Tony Kahan was trying to
974
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:43.320
avoid taking an el to NXT on the last head
975
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.639
to head live show, and NXT was gonna win that
976
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.599
just because they had the takeover branding and a loaded lineup.
977
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.119
And Tyson they had him there.
978
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:55.440
So they tape tonight's show last Thursday, and so he
979
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.199
was just in town. They got a twofer out of
980
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:58.960
the guy. I imagine he's not going to be a
981
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.679
round week to week. I suppose it's possible he could
982
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:03.639
come back for blood and guts if they want to
983
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:08.800
spend the money for another appearance. I really enjoyed mjf
984
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.599
insulting Mike Tyson to his face, like, hey, I bet
985
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.920
you regret that face tattoo, right. I mean, he had
986
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.559
another one, a great one liner that I thought was
987
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:23.840
fantastic and I hobbled at the they Tyson's involvement in
988
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.320
the match was good.
989
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.320
I mean, he took the chair away from Jericho.
990
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:33.679
He he you know, tried to keep order. He wasn't
991
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.239
in the ring, thankfully, you know, he was outside the ring,
992
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:37.760
because if he was in the ring, it's really hard
993
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.519
to be a pro wrestling referee with no experience, cause
994
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.760
and Mike, I believe they've said, is somewhat limited.
995
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.280
You never know what you're gonna get with the guy.
996
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.079
So overall, that was a nice build to May fifth,
997
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.639
and uh, Unfortunately for Chris Jericho and the post match
998
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:59.360
promo with Tyson, Chris Jericho had to stand next to
999
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.239
Mike Tyson with his shirt off and like Tyson completely
1000
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.400
outclassed him.
1001
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:10.280
Yeah, well, I mean Jericho's beyond, He's been on the
1002
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.639
Dad bought at this point. He's just the legends can
1003
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.760
look however they want to look. What you mentioned in
1004
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.280
your rundown of the show earlier, Jericho and Dax said
1005
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.639
a good match. Was it what you expected? Were you
1006
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.079
hoping for more? Did it just kind of over the
1007
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.400
heis and lows of the story that they told him
1008
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.719
the way they told it in addition to by Tyson,
1009
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.800
Like you talked about Tyson, but how about just the
1010
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:34.880
resting between them.
1011
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.480
I mean, if you were being hyper looking at what
1012
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.760
a hypercritical eye, you would say, well, i'll hell broke
1013
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.639
loose during Jerich o Harwood, and then the same gimmick
1014
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:46.719
repeated itself in the main event with Derby and Matt Hardy.
1015
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:48.400
Yeah, I mean I think they worked hard.
1016
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.639
Harwood is obviously a great worker who can have excellent
1017
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.000
matches with opponents.
1018
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:57.840
He's used to losing because he.
1019
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.320
Was in the WWE for so long, and I think
1020
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.920
this is his second straight singles TV job. He did
1021
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.639
one to Jungle Boy a few weeks that you thought
1022
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.480
might lead to something. I guess it did lead to
1023
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:14.400
maybe a tag match, But yeah, it it met it
1024
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.320
met my mid sized expectations, but did not exceed.
1025
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.400
What did you think?
1026
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.119
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was good. I mean, I
1027
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.000
thought it was good. But you know, it's it's twenty
1028
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.360
twenty one Jericho, you know, I mean he's not he's
1029
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:30.519
not you know, the DDP yogas is not enough or
1030
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.039
he's not doing it enough to look like he did
1031
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.159
when he was forty five, and certainly not when he
1032
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.119
was thirty eight. You know, it's just there's age and
1033
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.360
lifestyle and and wait catching up a little bit, and
1034
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.960
he's just you know, he's not the same worker he
1035
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.760
once was, but he's a smart worker, and I don't
1036
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.760
think people expect him. You know, he doesn't have to
1037
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.800
be what he once was to still be really effective
1038
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.840
and useful because you know, it's wrestling. IQ is just
1039
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.519
so high and yeah, Dax is just super good. I
1040
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:57.920
mean it was a fun match, you know, I mean
1041
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.360
I good wrestling does not equal a good wrestling show.
1042
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.679
It's got to be part of it a lot. But
1043
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.400
sometimes a match is good not because of athletic race,
1044
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.280
but because you do other things really well and tell
1045
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.119
a good story and the characters are aligned and the
1046
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.400
selling is is good and takes people, you know, on
1047
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.280
a ride. And I think this match took people on
1048
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.920
a ride. And I agree Mike Tyson was used really well,
1049
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.840
like that's that's the curated version of a special enforcer,
1050
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.559
celebrity referee. You know, it's not one token involvement. It
1051
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.960
was like three or four things he did, but it
1052
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.079
wasn't overdone and it contributed to the match. The only
1053
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.519
thing that was kind of weird is, you know, like
1054
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.119
Mike saying he's going to be objective, but then posing
1055
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.400
and joining the group afterwards, Like I would be a
1056
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.840
little suspicious of a journalist who conducted a debate, you know,
1057
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.440
before a governor's race and then afterwards, well the families,
1058
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.559
you know, mingling with the candidates, goes and stands next
1059
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.920
to a candidate and the candidate announces he's joining their team,
1060
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.920
he's joining their staff, Like I wouldn't call that retroactively
1061
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.760
I'd be a little suspicious of the objectivity of the
1062
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:07.119
person leading the debate, and I'm a little subjective about
1063
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:12.360
whether Tyson truly didn't have a wishful, wasn't hoping for
1064
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:13.159
a certain finish air.
1065
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.320
Well, there is no cheering in the press box, as
1066
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.519
you know, but there is cheering at a wrestling ring.
1067
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:25.880
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00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.559
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00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.159
All right, hit back you.
1078
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.280
Next point I wanted to bring up was the Britt
1079
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.280
Baker promo, and my thoughts on this echo very much
1080
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.840
what Lance Storm has been saying. He sort of put
1081
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.199
it to words for me. And I'll repeat that here.
1082
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.719
So since the hardcore match, we've only seen the loser
1083
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:25.199
on television. The winner is nowhere in sight, and neither
1084
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.880
have competed on Dynamite since. And britt Baker to this day,
1085
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.719
was it been four weeks? Five weeks is promoting a
1086
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:38.000
match on Dark Elevation and there is no sight of
1087
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.400
thunder Rosa at all. It doesn't feel like they've followed
1088
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.480
up strong on this. And I feel like Dynamite runs
1089
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.800
into this pattern of they do something really good, like
1090
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.719
they did they did something really strong by putting the
1091
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.679
TNT title on Brodie Lee, and then he just sort
1092
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.679
of faded into the dark order comedy, common bullshit for
1093
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.840
a while, Like they're just not good with the follow up.
1094
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.960
I don't know if I'm the only one feeling this way.
1095
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.320
What did you guys think of britt Baker's current direction?
1096
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.159
Yeah, Eric, how do you great aw in that respect
1097
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.039
broadly and also brit Baker specifically.
1098
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.920
I mean, I think thunder Rosa was on tonight in
1099
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.119
a pre taped promo near the end of the show,
1100
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:28.840
challenging the Serena deeb who holds the NWA title. It
1101
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.360
seemed to be a reset for her. I thought they're missed.
1102
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:36.280
I thought they're mistake in the post hardcore match situation,
1103
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.320
was that was supposed.
1104
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:39.039
To be the blowof to the feud.
1105
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:43.000
I thought, I mean, logically, that's it, right, Britt wins
1106
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.199
the feud and moves on and moves up on the card,
1107
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.039
and thunder Rosa tries to rebuild herself. But I think
1108
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.880
in the to hints point in the following weeks, I
1109
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.199
think Britt sort of opened the door that she would
1110
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:55.880
beat her in a regular match as well, and they
1111
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.880
kind of left you with the impression the feud was
1112
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.400
still going on when it shouldn't be.
1113
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:03.400
That that should have been at and.
1114
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.000
So if they didn't do that, I mean, there really
1115
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.000
is nothing to follow up with Britt Baker and thunder
1116
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.159
Rosa other than his hitting points out individually with those two,
1117
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.840
and Britt has been sort of floundering. She's got her
1118
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.800
gimmick now of making fun of the making fun of
1119
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.039
the ranking system. I think it's okay to take a
1120
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.000
breath for a week or two after you have this
1121
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.159
earth shattering, groundbreaking women's hardcore match and you don't have
1122
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:30.320
to be on TV the next week.
1123
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:31.800
You could be selling your.
1124
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:35.639
Injuries thunder Rosa. You know, I don't think she's under contract.
1125
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.960
I'm not sure how often they have access to her.
1126
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.039
Maybe whenever they want it. We're in a pandemic. I
1127
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:43.119
know she has her own promotion that's running a little
1128
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.519
bit down in Texas. So yeah, to Hinton's point, I
1129
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.719
think they did thunder Rosa needed to be rebuilt after that,
1130
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.679
and they're just now getting around to it a few
1131
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.320
weeks later.
1132
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.239
But you know, they started tonight. We'll see where it goes.
1133
00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.960
Yeah, Yeah, I agree with hitting with your point though,
1134
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.880
if you're going to have that of a match, don't well,
1135
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:04.119
I think what AW And I can't come up with
1136
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.000
examples but off the top of my head, but I
1137
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.800
think AW has a tendency to say, let's do something
1138
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.000
really cool, let's do something really big, let's do something spectacular,
1139
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:17.119
as as as the as something in and of itself
1140
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.159
that's worth doing without an eye on Now, as lines
1141
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.519
Storm's pointing out, how do we parlay this into into
1142
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:26.559
something that moves to the next phase for both wrestlers involved.
1143
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.719
And there's examples where they have followed up just fine,
1144
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.920
But you don't want to just get oh we're gonna
1145
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.360
just we're gonna rock the world with this women's hardcore bloodfest,
1146
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.639
and oh okay, that we got great critical praise. Now
1147
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.280
we're going to go in a completely different direction with
1148
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.360
both both of the wrestlers involved. But one involves the
1149
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.599
winner having no momentum and the other involves britt Baker
1150
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:51.400
trying to work her way up despite the big loss
1151
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.800
through the through the flawed ranking system by taking advantage
1152
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.960
of a flat system and sort of flaunting it. It's
1153
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.920
not the best follow up for a match of that caliber.
1154
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.159
You would you would want to give them a spotlight
1155
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:05.920
in that kind of match. You'd want to have the
1156
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.039
wrestlers involved have momentum coming out of it. And you know,
1157
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.840
Thunderosa lost it. Whatever the logistical reasons are for it,
1158
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.480
you know, it's sort of forgotten. There's this thing, this
1159
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:18.840
image people have of a great match on Dynamite involving
1160
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:20.920
a couple of wrestlers. There's not a sense that it
1161
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.920
led to, you know, a big momentum generator or a
1162
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:26.719
change in brit Baker's course either. You know, I mean,
1163
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:28.360
she just came out bragging about what a good match
1164
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.960
it was, and and you know, so anyway, Oh, go
1165
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:32.599
ahead and to quot here.
1166
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.320
Yeah, I think I wonder what what's next for Sheeta
1167
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:41.239
after she disposes of take Kanti next week. I don't
1168
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:46.800
see them putting the belt on on ty Kanti. You know,
1169
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.199
there's a pay per view at the end of May.
1170
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.320
Do they go with finally pull the trigger on the
1171
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.280
britt Baker. Does Sheeta thing and do the belt switch
1172
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.079
because she has had the belt for so long? Or
1173
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.880
as do they have something else planned? Thunder Rosa mentioned
1174
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.159
she you know, she wants to challenge the winner of
1175
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:10.920
Hida and Kanti, you know, and so is that where
1176
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.079
they're headed. I don't know how you get that after
1177
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.440
losing your big eye profile match against britt Baker, but
1178
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.880
maybe they build her up between now and again hitting.
1179
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.320
Where do you think they're going with the next women's
1180
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:21.719
pay per view title match?
1181
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.280
I mean I think, well, first of all, I think
1182
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.360
that Tony Kahan wants to go back in time and
1183
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:28.559
put brit Baker over.
1184
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:29.360
On that match.
1185
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:34.920
That's what he wants to do, And then he wants
1186
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.519
to build her up and finally put the belt on
1187
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.880
her because I'm not really sending much momentum with it. Karashida.
1188
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:43.920
I don't know where she's been. Apparently she's been doing
1189
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.119
some matches in Japan, and I don't think she quite
1190
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:51.960
has quite has the charisma to now keep carrying this
1191
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.079
as like a strong, dominant babyface. They've kind of just
1192
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.679
done everything they can with her.
1193
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.800
Yeah, when you're a weekly TV show built around personalities
1194
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.400
and drama and feuds and promos, it's it's it's tough
1195
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:08.719
to go a really really long time with somebody who
1196
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.199
doesn't fit into that. They're more the spectacular matchdow And
1197
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.239
then that said, I mean, I think you can make
1198
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.599
it work, but you got to do everything else really
1199
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:23.320
well and then treat Chetah as this next level wrestler
1200
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.039
that if anybody can beat her, it's just going to
1201
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.280
be this monumental happening and just you know, but have
1202
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.239
everything else. It's kind of lessner, you know, when he's
1203
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.320
Universal Champ, it's like he's not there every week, but
1204
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.039
everyone's fighting it out to get a chance at him.
1205
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:38.239
Because he is the unbeatable. It's unfathomable to imagine him losing.
1206
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:41.719
Do that in a women, you know, Japanese women wrestler way,
1207
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.719
because just have Chetah track record be what you build
1208
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.840
up and talk about her and Framer as the wrestler
1209
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.400
of this era, and then everything else that happens sort
1210
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:54.000
of underneath, leading to one challenger emerging takes on more relevance.
1211
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:55.800
And I think you can do that too, But and
1212
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:57.639
I think they think that's what they're doing. I just
1213
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:01.320
think they could do a better job emphasizing she't on
1214
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.760
a regular basis and keeping her on people's minds is
1215
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.079
what everyone is aiming for.
1216
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:10.440
I think what else, sorry, Tony Tony Connell is a
1217
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:13.360
great debt to Hidah because when the pandemic set in
1218
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:15.480
and they lost half their women's roster to injuries and
1219
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.960
travel restrictions, she stepped up and kept it, kept it
1220
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.159
all afloat with when they were in grave danger of
1221
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.039
not having a woman's match on TV every week, and
1222
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.840
or any notable woman's feuds, and she stepped up. And
1223
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.199
she even dealt with like stupid crap like the Amadon
1224
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.280
feud if you remember that one, and you know, I
1225
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.079
mean made it not as embarrassing as it could have been.
1226
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:43.880
So uh, bonus points for Shida for her pandemic service.
1227
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.440
Are you a fan of aw looking to sit back
1228
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.639
relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share
1229
01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:58.199
your passion.
1230
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:00.559
Do you want to be topped off a ledge after
1231
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:02.880
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1232
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:03.360
they thinking?
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I hain't anything else was yeah, what'd you make?
1243
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:50.159
What did you make of the Christian segment today? There
1244
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.880
was a lot of I'm glad he at least pivoted
1245
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:57.519
to yeah, I'm here to win championships. He's sort of
1246
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.159
been saying that after his first promo as well. There
1247
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:01.840
there's a bit of a there's a bit of a
1248
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:05.039
mission statement to him now. But I mean since task
1249
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.119
came out, it just felt like, oh God, okay, here
1250
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:11.679
we go. Bingal Hall money, your friend carried you that
1251
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:16.760
sort of stuff, just off the cuff insider comments all
1252
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.119
leading to to then you know, pow Hobs, Powerhouse Hobbs
1253
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.000
challenging him and power Powerhouse Hobs. Sorry he's gonna lose
1254
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.079
next week. It feels like, you know, one of those.
1255
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.920
It feels like Tony conn has realized that people aren't
1256
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.880
as into Christian as he as much as he's into
1257
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.440
Christian so he's trying to be so he's trying to
1258
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.800
build him from from the ground up, so to speak.
1259
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.599
Yeah, a few weeks ago, I said, you know, Christian
1260
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:44.960
seems like the way to introduce Christian and build up
1261
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.719
his credibility and within the ranking system and with aw fans.
1262
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.239
Is a feud with team Tasks. I mean, it's just
1263
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:51.840
to me, that was the obvious place for him to go,
1264
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.280
not that there weren't other options, but that just seemed
1265
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.000
ready and right, and that's what they're going and I
1266
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.519
think it's smart. Also, he lightened the f up today.
1267
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:02.480
You know, in this promo, he smiled, he put his
1268
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.840
arm around Tony. He didn't seem super duper uptight with
1269
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:07.159
a chip on his shoulder in a way that I
1270
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.079
thought was off putting. It unlikable. I know he wanted
1271
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.760
to be seen as something more than a joke and
1272
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:14.159
a mid card guy who's good for a for a smile,
1273
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:19.679
but my god, he just was so uptight and you know, humorless.
1274
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.280
And when he smiled, I was like, yes, now, now
1275
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.000
here's Christian. This is this is a guy we like.
1276
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:27.400
It's okay to smile and and and be likable and
1277
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.280
affable and so and then you know, let the heels
1278
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.559
you know, do their work, and they did. I I
1279
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.000
I thought that this worked.
1280
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:36.679
Eric, what what?
1281
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:37.280
What do you think?
1282
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:39.199
Uh it?
1283
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.679
Other than the Jade Car Gill match, it might have
1284
01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:44.360
been my least favorite segment on an otherwise solid show.
1285
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.480
I think they're just doing a carbon copy of what
1286
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.320
how they book Sting. When he came in, he's shooting
1287
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.000
with Team TAZ, they come out and interrupt him. Every
1288
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.519
time you expect you're going to get a big long
1289
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.000
promo or at least a medium length promo from Christian
1290
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.440
to explain his statement, he gets interrupted, just like Team
1291
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:08.159
Tas interrupted Sting. That's the promo with all the insider
1292
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:12.159
jabs was you know, very wwe look at.
1293
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.280
Us, we're shooting right back. When they would do such things.
1294
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.840
Yeah, and you're not going to endear yourself to aw
1295
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.719
audience having the baby face say bingo hell derisively. That's
1296
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:21.360
a heel line in a w You're not a baby
1297
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:21.840
face line.
1298
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.719
Yeah, and you know, I know it's all a work,
1299
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.880
but I did howl when a Christian got off his
1300
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:30.840
you're standing. I'm glad you're standing on those steps so
1301
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.760
that I can say this face to face.
1302
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.239
Anytime somebody makes fun of Taz's height. I pop huge
1303
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:41.480
for that because he no, he's just so sensitive about no.
1304
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.199
I mean, he's just always been right.
1305
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.679
And so I assume that all of those lines were
1306
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.519
approved ahead of time with that, But you know, Taz
1307
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:52.159
really sort of delivered a less than optimal thing to
1308
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:54.760
get Christian over. I mean, you can say Christian socks
1309
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.639
or Christian's pastest prime, but instead he said you know,
1310
01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.760
he didn't name him by name, but he's like edge
1311
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.800
Ca buried you, right. I mean, that's that's Christian's big
1312
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.239
Achilles heel is the is that perception, whereas Taz is
1313
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:09.639
his height. But I'm sorry, I think Christian won the promo.
1314
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:13.760
Promo dissof just from the get gut was a TKO
1315
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:15.760
with that line about Taz being short.
1316
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.800
Love it tas saying I can stand on my wallet
1317
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.719
and stand ten feet over you. Is fine if Christian
1318
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.440
didn't have a ton of big money earning years in
1319
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.440
WWE like you can say that about somebody who you
1320
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.079
know comes up through the indies. I'm not sure it
1321
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.159
resonates with the average viewer watching either.
1322
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:36.280
But yes, that's also a very much of a seth
1323
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:40.920
rollins will Osprey on Twitter type thing to say.
1324
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.840
Yes, yeah, and I mean it's a good hell line.
1325
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:44.519
It's just I think you save it for somebody where
1326
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.280
it rings a little more true. I think people probably
1327
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.440
perceive Christian's bank account having had more funds deposited in
1328
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.880
it over the past twenty five years than Tass I
1329
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.199
get I would bet more people would think that. But
1330
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:01.199
still I think Christian smiling, declaring emission statement, Yes, it's
1331
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.800
a rerun of of sting and sting. They should interrupt
1332
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:05.840
because he loses his train of thought on sentence number
1333
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.719
three or four. Christian could have cut a longer promo
1334
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.920
this would that would have been fine, But I like
1335
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:12.480
this seemed like Christian finally showed up instead of whoever
1336
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.480
that other guy has been who was just way way
1337
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:19.679
too you know, self important and serious and humorless. So
1338
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:22.480
I give it a thumbs up, but I do acknowledge.
1339
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.360
You know, if I'm gonna be critical of insider stuff,
1340
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.000
I'm certainly am going to be critical of Christian as
1341
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.239
a babyface taking a dig at the Bengal Hall. That's
1342
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.679
what Eric Bischoff says to get heat with AW audience.
1343
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.800
I think that's gonna actually really work against Christian with
1344
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.119
AW fans if now he's taken shots at ECW. I mean,
1345
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.880
the AW logo is inspired in part on ECW's logos,
1346
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.039
so he's got to kind of note read the room
1347
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:47.039
a little better or the writers do you know who
1348
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:49.360
worked with him? Or the producers and unless they're trying
1349
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:52.519
to sabotage him, which I don't think is happening. Cool
1350
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:54.119
hitting any closing words.
1351
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.559
Yeah, just want to conclude with some some thoughts on
1352
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.239
the Young Bucks. I know you've talked about them a lot, so, uh,
1353
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:03.239
you may not have much to say in response to this,
1354
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.480
but I mean, if if you want them to sit
1355
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.159
down and watch the early eighties promos, I suggest you
1356
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:12.480
to hear their interview on TSN that they did recently.
1357
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.039
They they don't look like they're going to do that.
1358
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:16.480
In fact, if they're going to do it, they're going
1359
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:17.920
to do it to mock that entire system.
1360
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:18.440
Like they are.
1361
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.719
They're so proud of pissing off these sorts of critics,
1362
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.000
I can tell. And I'm nervous, Like there's so many
1363
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.079
there's so much good that happened in that match, like
1364
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.840
Matt Jackson doing flip flip and then the backbreak and
1365
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.480
not following into with the move. Yeah, that's fine. But
1366
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:40.480
then when I when I see like at the end,
1367
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:43.199
not the end of the match, but like they're they're
1368
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.880
promo with the good Brothers, et cetera, and the goofiness
1369
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:52.320
there and them just not taking themselves seriously at all.
1370
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.599
It tells me that these guys, okay, for the match,
1371
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:59.079
they probably sat down, read a textbook and said, Okay,
1372
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.320
let's do this so that Waight Keller cannot say that,
1373
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.400
let's do that, so that Waight Keller doesn't say this, Okay, good,
1374
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:09.400
now we've got that done. Now let's get this out
1375
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.159
of our systems. Because BT just isn't enough, by God,
1376
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.639
And I think I'm nervous that we're in tune for
1377
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:17.079
more of this going forward.
1378
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:20.600
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm trying to build on the
1379
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:24.000
positive and hope that the positive can be there in
1380
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.520
a big enough quantity that some of the other stuff that,
1381
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:29.880
like you put it, they need to get out of
1382
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.319
their system can be present. But it's not the defining trait.
1383
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.239
It's like I say about Don Kellis, I don't mind
1384
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:37.000
if there's a little comment to pop the boys in
1385
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.199
the back on watching on the monitor or to you know,
1386
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:40.920
tell them it over drinks at the bar afterwards.
1387
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:41.760
That was great what you said.
1388
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:43.279
I couldn't believe you got away of saying that, Like,
1389
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.880
but don't live for that, live for live for selling
1390
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:48.680
selling out crowds, live for drawing a second million fans
1391
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.840
by cutting actual money promos. And you know, the Bucks
1392
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.319
can have, you know, have the attitude that they have,
1393
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.760
and I'm going to respond to the product they put
1394
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.159
forth on television and make my make my best case
1395
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:05.880
for what I think will serve Tony Kahan the most,
1396
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:08.720
which by the way, means serving the wrestling fans most,
1397
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:12.359
because the more fans watching generally, unless it's just marketing gimmickry,
1398
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:15.760
that means they're more happy with the product, and you know,
1399
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:20.439
if the Bucks are principal on principle against it, I
1400
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:22.720
just want to compliment the stuff that I think is working,
1401
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.840
and I want to point to evidence when it seems
1402
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.319
like it is and maybe that will, you know, lead
1403
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:29.880
them down a road where it's not some sort of
1404
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.960
dig your heels in on some philosophy over competing errors
1405
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.680
or competing visions. Eric, your your thoughts on what him
1406
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:37.079
brought up.
1407
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:42.560
I mean, I think the Young Bucks. You could do
1408
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:47.359
a whole podcast psychoanalyzing the Young Bucks and and going
1409
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:49.079
match by match and bit by bit.
1410
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:49.720
And era by era.
1411
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:56.039
But I mean they they oh Aw's existence. You know,
1412
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.359
they met a lot of fans at indie shows and
1413
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.439
they made you know, they took their time to shake
1414
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:01.600
your hand, take the selfie.
1415
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:03.560
You know they wrote about in their book.
1416
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:07.000
Right, they were poor, they were broke, they were they
1417
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:10.920
sold them, they started selling T shirts and they were
1418
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.640
aware the whole time they owe what they have do
1419
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:18.239
to the support of the fans. And then when they
1420
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.560
got on the big stage in the big US platform,
1421
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:25.399
all of a sudden they started getting criticized, possibly for
1422
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.479
the first time in a major way. They left Twitter,
1423
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:33.399
right they did their inside potshots at Twitter's a toxic place.
1424
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:35.960
Don't get me wrong. They're probably a lot more mentally
1425
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.600
healthy andsane for not being on Twitter all day. But they,
1426
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.079
you know, they started sort of internalizing and taking these
1427
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.840
these some of the fans criticism and why did you
1428
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.880
guys put over a private party on the first night.
1429
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:49.600
You should have booked yourself.
1430
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.880
And they made it part of BT every week and
1431
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.039
started complaining and just came across as a bit thin skinned.
1432
01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.479
And it's hard to tell with all of the.
1433
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.640
Irony and the six six levels of insiderness and the irony,
1434
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.640
how much of this is a work and how much
1435
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:06.199
of it is a shoot and how much of it
1436
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:07.199
is a combo planter.
1437
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:10.840
Yeah, but it's sort of always been there, and.
1438
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:14.920
Fingers crossed that they they've picked a lane and they're
1439
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.720
going to stick with it and keep the insider terms
1440
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:20.000
to a minimum going forward.
1441
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:23.920
So Wade, we're on this like them again.
1442
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:26.640
Well, we're on the same page. I mean, that's that's
1443
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.680
the approach. And I you know, yes, I don't want
1444
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.359
to repeat myself too much. I think this was a
1445
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:36.560
good week for the Bucks. I don't expect them to
1446
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.960
cleanse themselves of everything that has that they built their
1447
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.039
identity around or and again you said, Eric, you could
1448
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.279
psychoanalyze them, and I try to pick my spots to psychoanalyze,
1449
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.920
because you can be wildly wrong, you know, with conjecture
1450
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:50.520
on what's going on in people's head. And I don't
1451
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.640
like to assume motive. I prefer to evaluate the finished product.
1452
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:57.800
That said, I do wonder if the Bucks are insecure
1453
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:01.520
about if they can survive. I'll there as a top act,
1454
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:04.199
not leaning on what them what brought them attention in
1455
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:08.319
the first place. And all I'm saying is I think
1456
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.239
they're good enough. I think they truly are good enough,
1457
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:13.600
so I can I don't want this to turn into
1458
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.800
dig your heels in. We're opposite sized philosophically, and it's
1459
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.039
a battle of battle to the death over you know.
1460
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:21.079
I just the Bucks are good enough. They really are,
1461
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.600
and they showed it tonight, so at their own pace,
1462
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.600
at their own comfort level experience that they're good enough
1463
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.079
not to have to do the insider stuff to pop
1464
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:33.800
the boys in the back, to pop the social media,
1465
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:37.520
to have have the the the kind of bubble that
1466
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.479
that you know, you can kind of live in praise
1467
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.680
you enough for things that that that aren't actually the
1468
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:47.319
most important things, and so I'm hoping for that. It's
1469
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.359
a larger stage. It's it's a growing process. And I
1470
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:52.439
thought tonight was was a good a good step in
1471
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:54.920
the right direction to clean up some of what we
1472
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:56.920
hope I just say clean up. It's what we hoped
1473
01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:58.479
was going to come out of last week. You know,
1474
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.720
Javier was on with Zack last week and Tyler and yes,
1475
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.279
it was hopefully this is finally a turn. And then
1476
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.800
if it is, I'm for it. If it's not, I'm
1477
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:07.760
completely done with them.
1478
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:08.000
You know.
1479
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:09.600
So we got Hobby or coming up in a minute.
1480
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.319
He can clarify and frame his comments better than I
1481
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.560
just did if I didn't do it well, Hinton. I
1482
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.920
appreciate all your topics and everything you contributed. Thanks for calling.
1483
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:21.479
Yeah everyone, go vip, thanks for taking my palm.
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01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:26.199
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01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.279
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1487
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.680
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01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.680
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01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:53.000
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1495
01:13:53.119 --> 01:14:00.960
much for listening. All Right, I believe it or not?
1496
01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:02.920
Seventy one try third time the charm?
1497
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:03.159
Right?
1498
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.119
Third time is the charm? Seven eight one. Please state
1499
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:07.279
your name and where you're calling from.
1500
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.039
Hey, can you guys hear me?
1501
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:12.000
Yeah? We sure, ken yep, Okay, thank god.
1502
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:18.039
This is uh Bryant. This is Bryant callin from Boston, Massachusetts.
1503
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:20.319
Hey Brian, good to hear from you. Thanks for calling.
1504
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:24.119
Are you an NXTV or who watched that Dynamite? No?
1505
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.640
I stopped watching. I watched WWE since two thousand and two,
1506
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.439
and I stopped watching in twenty eighteen after they did
1507
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:34.720
Saudi Arabia, after the Kashow Meet killing. That was too
1508
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:38.119
far from me, So I don't watch them anymore. Maybe
1509
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.239
when Vince McMahon's not in power anymore.
1510
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.479
So Linda McMahon heading up Donald Trump's nonprofit. That news
1511
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:45.680
didn't didn't bring you back today.
1512
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:51.359
No, nor Donald Trump is a thing of the past,
1513
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:52.119
thank goodness.
1514
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.520
But the former guy. Excuse me.
1515
01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:59.119
I wanted to yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to bring
1516
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.199
attention a little bit to the women's division. I just
1517
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.760
think a e w's chief problem, besides the fact that
1518
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.319
they have way too many factions that women, way too
1519
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:13.600
many storylines, is their lack of focus. And I feel
1520
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:18.000
like this week illustrated that because you know, you had
1521
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:22.079
two matches, one with Chris Statlander, and you know, I
1522
01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:25.760
don't want to sound kind of prissy here, but a
1523
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.439
jobber for all tons of purposes, and Chris Statlander, in
1524
01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:33.600
my opinion, is wildly overrated. She's a known botch artist,
1525
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:39.920
and she also injured Britt Baker when along with a
1526
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:45.279
Karrosheeta when they did that when they dumped Nil Rose
1527
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.079
on her back, and I think it was March if
1528
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.159
I'm not mistaken. So I really don't understand the focus
1529
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:56.239
around her or she's not. I really don't care about
1530
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.920
her or her story. And she's not a terribly good
1531
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:00.800
wrestler either.
1532
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:06.439
And Jade Cargill and is it red Velvet the cake?
1533
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:07.079
I guess.
1534
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.439
Those I mean Red Velvet's okay, but Jake Cargill really
1535
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:13.239
does nothing for me.
1536
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:14.479
She can't cut a promo.
1537
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.279
She may be on Royd's at least that's just my thought,
1538
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.399
because her body looks all out of proportion. But those
1539
01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:26.000
two were involved in a few that really wasn't done
1540
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.199
very well at all, and a lot of people, including myself,
1541
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.399
don't care about And I just think when you have
1542
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:38.960
women like you know, fonder Rosa or Rijo or Britt
1543
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:43.319
Baker or Sheeta or even that Ali aka the Bunny,
1544
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.079
I don't like calling her the Bunny. I just think
1545
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:49.199
they should be focusing more on those cold women and
1546
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:56.039
not distracting, you know, with two basically crappy match, two
1547
01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:00.880
crappy women's matches that really do not thing. I mean
1548
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:06.279
case in point the last week when they had Ty
1549
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.640
Conti versus Ellie. They could have had a really good
1550
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.680
match if left to their own devices. But again, like
1551
01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:18.039
the whole faction thing with Dark Order and Matt Hardy's group,
1552
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.079
they came in and ruined a good ruined what really
1553
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:23.319
could have been a good match. I mean that that
1554
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:27.359
match he was ruined for me, And I just think
1555
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:30.159
that kind of goes into the bigger picture that Tony
1556
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:30.720
Khan is.
1557
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.039
In over his head. He really doesn't know how to
1558
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:33.800
book very well.
1559
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:39.560
He let's, he lets his he lets the execs, Kenny
1560
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:44.079
in the Bucks, not so much Cody, because Cody actually
1561
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:44.840
knows what he's doing.
1562
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.439
But Kenny Kenny.
1563
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.399
Omega does not know how to book a women's division.
1564
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.399
And I'm far from the only person to say that.
1565
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:54.439
I just think Tony Khan needs to realize that he
1566
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.760
needs help booking and to bring in somebody. Not Jim Cornett,
1567
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:02.239
because that guy has all sorts of shoes, but you know,
1568
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.720
somebody like a dutch Man Tell or somebody who actually
1569
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:07.600
knows how to book, and you can bring focus back
1570
01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:07.800
to it.
1571
01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:12.960
Because this reminds me a lot aw right now.
1572
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.520
I mean, I love it, or at least I try to,
1573
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.279
you know, and I'll keep watching, But it reminds me
1574
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.520
a lot of WCW back in the late nineties and
1575
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:25.920
nearly two thousands, where you had so many factions, a
1576
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:27.880
lack of focus matches.
1577
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:34.439
That were just so riddled with interference that they really
1578
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:38.520
didn't mean much. And I just think.
1579
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.039
ADW is good, but it could be much better and
1580
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.800
I think Tony Kahan needs to realize that he needs help,
1581
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:49.079
particularly with the women's division, and firing Kenny.
1582
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.720
Omega as the head of that division would be.
1583
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:51.319
A great start.
1584
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:55.920
Brian, I mean, I think you summed up the non
1585
01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:03.479
fawning objective critique. It's I guess, subjective critique, but objective
1586
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.479
in the sense of, you know, you're not just going
1587
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:09.840
in predisposed to forgive the faults and sing the praises
1588
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:13.279
of the strengths out of out of proportion. I think
1589
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:16.640
the women's division has been obviously a weak spot for
1590
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:19.199
aw and it should be of concerned to Tony Kahan.
1591
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:22.520
I do think christ at Land is overrated. I thought
1592
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.640
her high kick to the head looked awful. Slow mo,
1593
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:28.359
It's not a good move, and she keeps doing stuff
1594
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.640
like that. The pile driver was four inches off from
1595
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.239
looking like it had any impact. That finished things off.
1596
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:35.960
I mean, yeah, I'd like to see her get better,
1597
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.279
you know, get some reps on evolution and and and
1598
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:39.960
dark and.
1599
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:41.920
You know.
1600
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:46.039
But yeah, so, I mean, I think Tony would benefit
1601
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.960
from at some point bringing, you know, an assistant booker
1602
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:54.680
in who he trusts, who has a different vision, who
1603
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:58.159
he will not talk at or talk, but but will
1604
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.239
listen to and and look at it as taking his
1605
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:05.760
booking knowledge to the next level and balance it out
1606
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:07.319
of it. I mean, I think there's a room for it.
1607
01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:12.720
I don't want awards and buy rates and demo ratings
1608
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.720
and cable rankings to go to his head in the
1609
01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.000
sense that he doesn't stay humble enough to know that
1610
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:21.439
with a platform and the talent and the resources he has,
1611
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:27.600
there probably are other philosophies and experienced wrestling minds who
1612
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:34.119
can help steer him in a more polished, disciplined way
1613
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:38.840
towards greater success without changing at the core the DNA
1614
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.359
of who he is, what his vision is, and what
1615
01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:43.640
he wants aw to be. Eric your thoughts.
1616
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:48.199
Tony Kahn was voted Booker of the Year by the
1617
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.399
Wrestling Observer newsletter readers. So, I don't know what you
1618
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:56.079
guys are talking about. Everything's fine, sarcasm Beside that. The
1619
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:59.800
women's division, so they had a thin roster to begin
1620
01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:03.960
with that was greener than the men's and tags tag
1621
01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:07.039
team divisions part of the roster. Then they got hit
1622
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.560
with a pandemic. So the best parts of the best
1623
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:12.079
workers in the women's division a lot of them were
1624
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.920
overseas and unavailable. They couldn't bring people in for you know,
1625
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:20.159
a couple of week long arcs, and then they had injuries.
1626
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:25.159
Britt Chris Swall, who they pushed last year even though
1627
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:29.560
she's she's still somewhat green, she had her health problems
1628
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:33.319
and they did the best they could. They brought in Serena,
1629
01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:39.039
deeb and thunder Rosa too improved things and they're they're
1630
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:44.920
starting to get back to a fuller roster and Chris
1631
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.000
Stantlander doesn't do a lot for me. I was there
1632
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:52.880
live at the Revolution pay per view at the in
1633
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:56.720
twenty twenty in Chicago where Chris Stantlander had her match
1634
01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:01.079
against Nyla Rose and oof that one was hard to
1635
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:05.760
watch in person, probably on TV as well. So I
1636
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:08.600
guess i'd give them a grade of incomplete so far,
1637
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:14.159
as opposed to an F for failure. And I think
1638
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:16.479
we'll find out for sure whether this is gonna be
1639
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.159
a chronic problem that they just can't fix this year
1640
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.760
as they get back up to full staffing and they
1641
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:26.640
can mix and match Serena, Deep, thunder Rosa, Britt Baker,
1642
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:29.600
maybe Riho. I don't know if she's still around or
1643
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.720
if she's back in Japan and Sheidah and maybe Kanti. Right,
1644
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:39.359
that's not a terrible core roster to work with, and
1645
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:43.439
they're going to continue to push to push Jade Cargill
1646
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:45.479
whether we whether we like it or not, or think
1647
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:49.119
she needs more seasoning. But this is probably never going
1648
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.920
to be all japan women wrestling in the eighties and nineties.
1649
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.119
Yeah, I think what I'm in search for is just
1650
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.600
a sense of hierarchy and distinct personality. So I kind
1651
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.600
of understand and who you know. We know who Britt
1652
01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:07.520
Baker is, and we know Riba slash Rebel is her sidekick.
1653
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.640
We know who Kishid is, a world class athlete at
1654
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.680
the top of her game, who's a champion? Who else
1655
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:15.119
do we know?
1656
01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:16.119
Like what else?
1657
01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:19.479
I mean, like though you know Jim Ross has mocked
1658
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.960
the alien gimmick in the bopping nonsense that belongs on
1659
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:25.760
indie shows in front of one hundred and fifty people,
1660
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:30.039
Like what else do we know about the Babyfaces and
1661
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:33.039
and even Red Velvet, Like what do we know about
1662
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:37.000
them that defines their their characters? I think the men
1663
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:40.039
We've got a pretty good, pretty good idea, which is
1664
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:42.720
about everybody you know, there's distinct personalities where you look
1665
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.560
at them and you go, all right, I associate this
1666
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.119
with this person. I see what drives them. I kind
1667
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:49.600
of get a sense of what kind of person there,
1668
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:52.239
whether it's Darby or Samy Gavar or Chris Jericho or
1669
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:54.960
Lance Archer. Is there enough of that in the way
1670
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.720
the women are booked or are they booked out? Are
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01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.680
they booked because wow, look at let's let's ex caliber
1672
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.000
tell you what they did in Japan, or wow, look
1673
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:05.319
at the high spot that they were able to do
1674
01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:07.960
in almost a patronizing way that can you believe she
1675
01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:10.880
was able to do that? I want to see more
1676
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:14.520
more personalities established as part of the booking. That's what
1677
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:16.399
you do on a weekly wrestling series, as opposed to,
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01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.720
you know, booking around big shows overseas, which has done
1679
01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:20.479
more often overseas.
1680
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:23.960
I mean, they get a two hour show each week
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01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:28.680
that the you know, the one two hour network TV show.
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01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:31.319
And for the longest time when they had an XT
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01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.399
competition and the roster, they had one woman match a week, right,
1684
01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:40.319
and it was super inconsistent, And tonight we saw two
1685
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:43.279
women matches maybe mid like those women matches.
1686
01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:43.920
Yeah, but.
1687
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:49.239
If you keep giving the women at bats, I would
1688
01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:53.439
think you'll see improvement eventually and maybe builds mangles around
1689
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.319
them and makes the match a little better than they have.
1690
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:58.319
Yeah, yeah, I guess. I mean the issue is just
1691
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.079
with the TV time they've given them. They've had injuries
1692
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:04.520
and set backs in a pandemic, and I'm accounting for
1693
01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:06.239
that as part of grading on a curve, I guess.
1694
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:11.079
But with that TV time, I feel like there's been
1695
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:14.920
when they focused on something, I've taken away the focus
1696
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.319
of the things I listed in my question, Oh her
1697
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:21.439
accolades from Japan, or look at that great move, or
1698
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:23.960
look at this indi rific gimmick, And I just don't
1699
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:25.359
think a lot of time was put into go, how
1700
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:27.199
is this person going to connect with an audience in
1701
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:28.560
a way that's going to make them look up to them,
1702
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.600
by the merchandise route for them on their journey, or
1703
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.560
root against them. I just don't think there's been enough
1704
01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:34.319
of that, and I don't know that that even enters
1705
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.479
their mind as something that they should be doing as
1706
01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:38.720
part of booking characters on a weekly wrestling TV series.
1707
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:41.000
I think they come from a different culture that doesn't
1708
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.800
work particularly well. It doesn't translate well to to our
1709
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.159
show weekly on TNT. I don't see that approach being
1710
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:52.439
taken with enough of the women, enough of the women's division.
1711
01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.399
Hey everyone, long time PW Toorge commis Sean Raddick.
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Can hear the look you know?
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helps you understand the story better or see it another way.
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Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? Then I bring
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Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone else who works in
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the business. Other times it's a guest analyst who brings
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their specialized point of view out a particular key topic
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01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.520
in the news. Recent guests have included Bronson Reid from
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WWE and PCO. One of my areas of specialty is
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the Japan wrestling scene, so I often cover a big
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01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:45.479
topic from Japan with PW Torture's own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells,
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01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.479
and Chris Lansdell. I don't just cover the news. I
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01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:50.600
don't just riff on the news or give a standard
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01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:53.479
hot take. I'll bring my decades of studying this industry
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and talking one on one with dozens of wrestling promoters
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01:26:56.880 --> 01:27:00.000
to each week's show, so you understand not just what's happened,
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but the context of why get ahead of the news,
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So right, we'll go back to you for any closing
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01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:19.159
words here. We want to kind of move through the
1737
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:21.920
last calls here a little a little quicker than we happened.
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01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:24.640
Sure, Sure, I'll just end with this point.
1739
01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:29.560
I think there was a back when Deanna Parrazzo was
1740
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:34.439
let go by NXT and there was a chance to
1741
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:37.359
sign her. Kenny Omega did not make much of an
1742
01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:40.720
effort to sign her, and you know, he was criticized
1743
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:42.840
for that, and he didn't take the criticism very well.
1744
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:45.319
And you know that goes back to my.
1745
01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.319
Point that he's not a very good booker for the
1746
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:52.359
women's division because with the Japanese, with the tournament, he
1747
01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:56.359
could have built up Britt Baker or Ty Conty, but instead,
1748
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.399
you know, he just had another Japanese woman that you know,
1749
01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:05.239
And I hate to sound callous here, but no one
1750
01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:09.479
in the United States really cares about Japanese women wrestlers
1751
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:13.159
for the most part, because like the only Japanese woman
1752
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:16.520
wrestler who's had major success here in like the last
1753
01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:22.720
thirty years has been Asika, And you know, real Misnami
1754
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:28.000
is not Osika to say the least. But I'll close
1755
01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:31.479
with the point that I think that AW should go
1756
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.840
after Tessa Blancher because I know there's a lot of
1757
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.159
controversies surrounding her and things like that. And I'm not
1758
01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:41.960
saying that the accusations don't have merit, but I think
1759
01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:45.520
it's kind of suspicious that all the act, that all
1760
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.199
the allegations came out against her right when she was
1761
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:51.199
about to win the Impact World titles. So I think
1762
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:52.960
you have to factor in the timing of that. So
1763
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:58.119
I'm somewhat doubtful that those allegations are are true to
1764
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:03.880
some extent. So and I just think she she her charisma,
1765
01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:08.079
her skill would bring a lot to the table in
1766
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.119
terms of the women's division, you know. And if they're
1767
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:13.960
worried about her being a problem backstage, her father can
1768
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:18.640
her father could probably be sort of a guiding force
1769
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.520
for her or I just think if they went after
1770
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.319
her or se A Trinidad, it could really do some good.
1771
01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:27.880
And I'll just close with that point.
1772
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.119
Sure, I appreciate it, Brian, Thanks anything you want to
1773
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:30.720
add to attaind you.
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01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:34.239
That I'd be a hard no on Tessa Blanchard.
1775
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:36.680
I guess you know, in the case of Harvey Weinstein
1776
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:41.239
and Cosy and serve for presidents, when one or two
1777
01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:45.199
people say something about you, maybe it's true, maybe it's
1778
01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:48.079
not true. When a whole bunch of people say stuff
1779
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.680
about you, it's all kind of the same thing.
1780
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:52.840
I think that tends to.
1781
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:56.600
Add to the credibility of the allegations against you. And
1782
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.640
there's a good reason that Tesla Planted hasn't even been
1783
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.199
touched by WWE, who was willing to put Matt Riddle
1784
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:07.039
on TV with a push despite the laws that's filed
1785
01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:11.399
against him. That's when you're when you're accused of using
1786
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.399
the N word women's locker room. I think it was
1787
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:18.000
in Japan, right, That's that's part of one to overcome
1788
01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:22.079
in twenty twenty one in the US society, it's I
1789
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.600
imagine both companies have said just not worth a headache.
1790
01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:29.239
Yeah, yeah, I think there's a body of evidence that
1791
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:32.399
you can exclude one or two or three things as
1792
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:35.119
sort of a mulligan or what if it's not true,
1793
01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:38.359
and still have a pile of things that are concerning.
1794
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:41.800
And there's people who know more, people who know more
1795
01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:45.479
specifics than I do, and you do, Eric, who also
1796
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:49.600
are saying, oh so talented, but it just you can't,
1797
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.680
you know, you just can't bring that toxic history and
1798
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.520
a lack of a sense of growth or or you know,
1799
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.079
I mean think you know, it's it's not a canceling
1800
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:02.840
or forever. It's it's a lot of this. It's like
1801
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:05.039
with Hogan, you know, just you give us an apology
1802
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.319
that feels sincere and that that seems to be grounded
1803
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.439
in some sort of you know, different place that you're in,
1804
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:11.119
and you're in the way that you look at the
1805
01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:13.439
world and that you've you've learned, and there's real regret
1806
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.960
and you know that moment needs to come and then
1807
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:17.680
a couple more years needs to go by, and then
1808
01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.159
you know, we can start talking about about you know,
1809
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:22.199
whether people in the business, it will start hearing people
1810
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:25.199
in the business maybe going now it's time to reconsider and.
1811
01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:27.079
What happened to Hall Coogan last week?
1812
01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:32.960
And it is yeah, yes, yes, all right, let's uh,
1813
01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:35.760
let's move on here to let's see what's up next
1814
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:39.319
to Alex in Montreal. Alex, go ahead and tell us
1815
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:40.680
what you thought of Dynamite tonight.
1816
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:46.000
Hey Wade, Uh, I really love the show tonight. I
1817
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:48.960
have to say, from top to bottom, I thought it
1818
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:52.279
was really exciting. I thought it moved really really well,
1819
01:31:52.760 --> 01:31:56.279
and it felt like a really nice reset from the
1820
01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:00.439
very first segment with the Bucks, whose story I really
1821
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:03.680
haven't been a fan of quite honestly, how they got
1822
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:07.560
here was really slot was really sloppy, but the way
1823
01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:12.680
they kind of just hammered it home today by saying, clearly,
1824
01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:16.920
we are heels, we are aligned with this faction. This
1825
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.199
is what we are going to do moving forward for
1826
01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:22.079
the best tech team in the world. Screw everybody, We're
1827
01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:26.399
going to prove everybody wrong once again. I'm on board
1828
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.279
basically so, and I knew this was going to happen,
1829
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:33.239
Like when when that angle happened last to end the
1830
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:37.640
show last week, I was like, here we go, Like
1831
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:39.800
it was like a turn too far, you know, it
1832
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:42.640
could have been like the name of their their story basically,
1833
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:47.239
but this time like they brought it all together. And
1834
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.760
what I really want to talk about today is actually
1835
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:54.000
the connective tissue of the show, the way that they
1836
01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:59.600
slowed it down and emphasized again and again the importance
1837
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:00.880
of championships.
1838
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:03.319
You had various performers.
1839
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.159
Throughout the show talking about the importance of titles and
1840
01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:10.680
wanting to go after titles like Christian and Miro and
1841
01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:14.720
thunder Rosa, and I'm sure there were other people and all.
1842
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:16.960
The tag teams scouting the Young Bucks match. I mean,
1843
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:18.479
in its own way, that was the same thing.
1844
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:23.920
Yeah, exactly, And it made everything feel important, and it
1845
01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:27.119
made things feel like that it had consequence. I guess
1846
01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:29.039
another part of that would be that there weren't as
1847
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:34.039
many you know, unranked wrestlers on this show except for
1848
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:36.439
you know that maybe the stat Lander match, which was
1849
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:38.800
kind of just a welcome back squash for her, which
1850
01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:41.840
was I was all for. I love seeing stat Lander backs.
1851
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.560
I thought she looked really good. But getting back to
1852
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.720
this connectives hissue idea, So you start the show with
1853
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:51.039
the Young Bucks promo, then you go into the Young
1854
01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:54.039
Bucks match. Right after the Young Bucks Match, you go
1855
01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:57.399
to the back where you have Marvez talking with Hangman
1856
01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:00.520
and the Dark Order, getting his reaction to everything that's
1857
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:04.399
going on with them. And then later on in the show,
1858
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:07.800
you go back and you talk to the Elite as
1859
01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:11.840
a unit talking providing even more context about this match
1860
01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:15.760
that we watched tonight, about the alliance with Don Kallas,
1861
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:17.720
what they're doing moving forward.
1862
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:20.840
So I really know Kenny saying where we go, gold follows,
1863
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.359
you know, like you're playing on your theme or you know,
1864
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:25.239
Alex what you picked up on the connective issue. You
1865
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.640
know where we go, you know, gold follows or whatever,
1866
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:30.079
whatever however you phrased it. Even that was the champion
1867
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:32.680
talking about championships and covening them and always collecting belts.
1868
01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:34.319
Yeah.
1869
01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:34.920
Absolutely.
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Thing that I really liked was how heavily the women
1898
01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.439
were featured tonight. And this also goes back to this
1899
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:21.880
connective tissue idea of you had Red Velvet and Jade
1900
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have a match, and right after the match, you go back,
1901
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you go to the back, you have Britt Baker and
1902
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she is talking about the rankings and how she's moving
1903
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.960
up in the rankings, and how she also mentions the
1904
01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:37.560
match that just happened and the consequences of Red Velvet
1905
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:41.079
losing potentially for the rankings, and she mentioned Shida, and
1906
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she mentions ty Conti, and hey, what do you know.
1907
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:47.520
Later in the show, you have ty Conti and Chidah
1908
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:50.840
get a little promo package for a match that they're
1909
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going to have next week.
1910
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For the championship.
1911
01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:55.760
So I really liked how they were interweaving all of
1912
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these title challengers. You see what's coming up, you know,
1913
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a month from now, you kind of you kind of
1914
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have the seats planted for the pay per view already,
1915
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and you see the steps that they need to take
1916
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before they get to these final destinations, which we know
1917
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we're going to get to eventually. And I don't even
1918
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:15.760
mind the predictability of it, Like I know eventually it's
1919
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going to be Britt versus Shida, and Britt is probably
1920
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going to win the title at the pay per view,
1921
01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.279
But I'm also really excited for this take Tykonti and
1922
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.079
Hikarashida match that next week, which has the potential to
1923
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:29.840
you know, have a couple of women just kneeing the
1924
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hell out of each other. So I'm I was just
1925
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:39.840
really really satisfied with the show today, mostly for those reasons.
1926
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:45.399
Just everything felt important and everything felt like it had consequence.
1927
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I mean, I don't want to say everything everything. I mean,
1928
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.000
obviously there's probably some some things I can point to
1929
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:53.159
a nick pick, but overall, like, I was incredibly satisfied
1930
01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:54.720
with the show tonight for those reasons.
1931
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Alex, We've been dissecting the box and you started talking
1932
01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:01.840
about them, and it's been about, you know, stay focused
1933
01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:05.000
on you know, wrestling storyline, developing your characters, stay away
1934
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from the meta of the insider stuff, or do it
1935
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in small, small enoughd dooses where it doesn't seem like
1936
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it's a primary thing you're grading yourself on. At the
1937
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.840
end of the night, what let me look at another
1938
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.359
angle about this. What was let's say their bucks didn't
1939
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do anything ironic and never have. This was just a storyline,
1940
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:24.159
after a promo, after a heel turn, and they're explaining
1941
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:27.920
why they chose to go with Callous and Kenny did
1942
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their explanation, and Eric, I want to get your take
1943
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on this after I ask Glex was there explanation enough?
1944
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Which was it? Or was it sort of begging the question?
1945
01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:39.720
You know, we chose friendship. Well, now the question is
1946
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.199
why did you choose to be friends with them? Oh,
1947
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we chose friendship. That's the definition of begging the question.
1948
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You're answering the question by restating the question. Did we
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get enough from them to explain this long, sort of
1950
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:55.479
bumpy on even journey we've been on with them? Is
1951
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:58.319
there more to be told and extracted from the story
1952
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:00.640
that they told where we might look back and go, oh,
1953
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.119
all those chapters that we saw, at least a lot
1954
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more of them actually kind of fall into place in
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01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.800
a way where now I disagree, I don't like them over,
1956
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:11.119
but I understand why they chose to align with Moxley
1957
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and Callum. I'm sorry Omegan Callous again as opposed to
1958
01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:17.560
staying loyal to Moxley and hang my page and Cody
1959
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:22.760
or just ourselves and our family. So, yeah, your thoughts
1960
01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:23.439
on that, Alex.
1961
01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:27.479
And then Eric, Sure, I think they did a decent job.
1962
01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:29.760
I mean outside of again that the word they took
1963
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:30.319
to get here.
1964
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:32.000
Was really slot, was really sloppy.
1965
01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:36.880
The execution of the segments of Matt Jackson trying to
1966
01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:40.199
act and seem dramatic when Don Callous slaps him and
1967
01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:42.840
is telling him that he doesn't have it anymore and
1968
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:44.960
that these are not the same young bucks that I
1969
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:49.439
saw in New Japan, and the explanation of you know,
1970
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:53.560
we chose friendship, and then saying also that Don Kallus
1971
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:57.079
was right that you know, we basically got a bit
1972
01:39:57.159 --> 01:40:01.520
too comfortable and we got a little too high on
1973
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:05.439
ourselves essentially, and we forgot who we were. And it
1974
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:08.840
took Don Challas kind of smacking Matt Jackson around, I
1975
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.920
suppose to kind of wake him up to that the
1976
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:15.520
way they got there was really really sold floppy. But
1977
01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:21.359
the explanation itself does work in a vacuum for me. Yeah,
1978
01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:25.600
it's not just friendship, it's also Callous being the invisible hand,
1979
01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:28.399
I guess, or very visible in the case of you
1980
01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:33.359
know him confronting Matt Jackson and kind of telling him, hey,
1981
01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:35.760
where have you guys been? You guys have changed, and
1982
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.920
it basically comes down to you change then, and then
1983
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:42.600
Matt Hardy just saying, yeah we have Matt Hardy. Who
1984
01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:45.840
am I talking about? Matt Jackson saying you know what, Yeah,
1985
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:47.239
we have changed and it hasn't been.
1986
01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:47.640
For the better.
1987
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:50.840
And I don't like who I am kind of when
1988
01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:52.479
I look at myself in the mirror, or I didn't
1989
01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:54.319
like who I was anymore when I looked at myself
1990
01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.600
in the mirror. So I think I think it works
1991
01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:01.039
in the vacuum and you can kind of just forget
1992
01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:04.159
everything they came before and give them a clean slate
1993
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:04.399
with this.
1994
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:06.520
And that's what I'm that's you know, I led the
1995
01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:08.520
show is all well that ends, Well, are we at
1996
01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:10.319
a good enough place we can sort of forgive give
1997
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:13.920
them all again, you know, just conveniently forget some of
1998
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:15.520
the some of the missteps as they were trying to
1999
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:18.720
carve their path, figure out their way. But you know,
2000
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:20.920
to acknowledge, we took a big payday and we're no
2001
01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:24.159
longer hungry. That match is what we watched for eighteen months.
2002
01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:25.520
They were happy to get a four and a half
2003
01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:28.119
star match now and then and hang their hat on
2004
01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:30.600
their ability to do that. But they didn't seem hungry
2005
01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:34.680
to establish themselves with, introduce themselves and expand their characters
2006
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:36.319
in a way that would you know, draw the so
2007
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.880
called second million, the proverbial second million fans expand their audience.
2008
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.359
And then they turned to saying we sat idly buy
2009
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:45.520
and let others take credit for the work they did.
2010
01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:49.079
I'm not quite sure, you know, I have to kind
2011
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:50.399
of process the more. I'm not quite sure how that
2012
01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:53.319
fits into We weren't hungry and we took a big payday.
2013
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:56.079
We also sat back and let others take credit as
2014
01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:58.840
I think they're sort of throwing, you know, throwing things
2015
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:02.039
out there that they've been criticized for in sort of saying, yeah,
2016
01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:03.920
maybe it's true, but who cares now, we're bad guys.
2017
01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:07.479
Eric. How about you, well, Wade, let's correct the record.
2018
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:11.880
They had a six star match at Revolution twenty twenty
2019
01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:15.159
against Adam Page and Kenny Omega, not a four and
2020
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:20.239
a half star match. But that's just me coloring outside
2021
01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.359
the lines here. Yeah, I mean, there is no way
2022
01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:26.000
to explain the bumpy ride. This was not the end
2023
01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:29.920
of the usual suspects. When Kaiser SoSE is revealed and
2024
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.880
the cop who's been interrogating him for two hours puts
2025
01:42:32.880 --> 01:42:35.159
all the pieces together and drops his coffee cup, and
2026
01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:40.159
Kaiser SoSE walks out of the police station and stops
2027
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:40.560
his limp.
2028
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:41.079
Right.
2029
01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.600
Spoiler alert, I get that that movie so old. This
2030
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:47.600
was they had a bumpy ride. They figured the best
2031
01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:51.880
way out of it. It wasn't for I thought the
2032
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:56.680
Young bucks inability to act, you know, an emote, especially Nick,
2033
01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:00.720
made this more difficult than an other wise would be.
2034
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:04.279
If you watched BT last week, they had this video
2035
01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:08.399
montage with stills and some old video of the Kenny
2036
01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:13.600
and Young Bucks you know Buddy Buddy times from before.
2037
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.159
That really filled in a lot of the backstory if
2038
01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:19.319
you didn't know it now. Unfortunately, the people who all
2039
01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:22.079
watch BTE already know the backstory and didn't really need that.
2040
01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:24.720
It was the people on Dynamite who needed the why
2041
01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:26.479
they're such a good friends part to be filled in.
2042
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:29.920
But if you're transferring a book to a movie and
2043
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.159
you're confused watching the movie and the person goes, oh,
2044
01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:33.960
they covered that in the book. They whisper that to you,
2045
01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:35.199
that doesn't make the movie better.
2046
01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:40.319
No, it's not great storytelling, but you know what, I'm
2047
01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:43.680
on team give them a fresh start and to hope
2048
01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:48.319
they improve going forward in in in that arena. And
2049
01:43:48.439 --> 01:43:50.840
they did give us a How many stars did you
2050
01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:54.000
rate the tag team title match tonight, Wade? I mean
2051
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:57.199
they did give us a four star plus match, probably
2052
01:43:57.239 --> 01:43:59.760
four and a half stars. I tend to be stingy
2053
01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:01.399
or than most with star ratings, so.
2054
01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:04.039
Yeah, I think more accurate. It's the word you're looking for.
2055
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.720
I think that was I think subtracting one to one
2056
01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:13.039
and a half stars. What was that, Alex?
2057
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.439
That was a four point two five for me?
2058
01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:16.560
It was really kind though.
2059
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:19.119
Yeah, yeah, I think for foreign a quarters is I
2060
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:20.680
think four and a half is a little more special
2061
01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:22.680
for me than and a little more rare than it
2062
01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:26.000
is for others. There's certain people I in who I
2063
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.000
just I look at their star rating and I subtract
2064
01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:31.039
three quarter stars. I'm like, there, that's that's the scale.
2065
01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.560
And and sometimes one star or one at a court.
2066
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.920
I mean, it's not a science, but I try to
2067
01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:41.319
be consistent in my own, in my own subjective structure,
2068
01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:43.560
and that that's for foreign a quarter four and a
2069
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:45.760
half is it doesn't mean it doesn't happen very often,
2070
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:50.000
but it doesn't happen very often it anyway, But star
2071
01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:51.960
ratings I think get kind of silly to talk about
2072
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:57.039
too much, Alex, anything else you wanna, Yeah, I guess
2073
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:01.199
around this. Back to my question to you and Eric
2074
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:03.399
was more, as much as we praise what they did
2075
01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:05.199
and it's fresh start and it's great, was there a
2076
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:08.359
missed opportunity to hone in a little bit more on
2077
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:12.079
Dynamite in a way that would have brought some of
2078
01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:15.159
the unevenness and the things that they covered in being
2079
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:18.279
the elite into that time that they had in that promo.
2080
01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:20.760
Was there was there a way to spend that time
2081
01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:23.079
a little bit better to have people at home go
2082
01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:27.399
oh oh screw them, you know, like now now I
2083
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.520
really understand where they're coming from and why they did
2084
01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:31.920
what they did, and I'm not quite sure it hit
2085
01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:34.840
that level of you know, home run promo, but the
2086
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.560
effect was we're heels and we're going to be obnoxious,
2087
01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:41.079
and we're aligned with this guy who you don't like,
2088
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:44.079
and now line up the baby faces and boo us
2089
01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:46.520
and that is you know, eighty percent of the game.
2090
01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:48.840
Alex any closing words are following.
2091
01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:53.000
No, I just want to say thank you for doing
2092
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:56.199
the show, and yeah it was. I thought it was
2093
01:45:56.239 --> 01:45:58.159
a really good show tonight and I'm looking forward to
2094
01:45:59.119 --> 01:45:59.800
more next week.
2095
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:00.319
Cool.
2096
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:04.399
Thank you, Thanks Dox. Appreciate it all right, Yeah, take
2097
01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:04.840
care YEP.
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01:46:07.479 --> 01:46:11.000
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All right, we'll go next Toe Nick and Bradboro. Nick.
2112
01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:55.359
We are running along, so uh, don't add to that
2113
01:46:55.479 --> 01:46:58.039
too much? Yeah quick, Yeah, we covered a lot already though.
2114
01:46:58.079 --> 01:46:58.600
So go ahead.
2115
01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.319
Yeah, yeah, you covered most of my points. Well, the
2116
01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:07.000
main big thing I'll say is I've mostly been an
2117
01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:11.800
AW watcher, not an NXT watcher, But I did watch
2118
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:17.680
NXT last night, and both shows I think are actually
2119
01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:21.680
going to really benefit from not being head to head. Yes,
2120
01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:24.920
it was cool the Wednesday night Wars and all that,
2121
01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:31.000
but both shows seemed to slow down like twenty percent
2122
01:47:32.640 --> 01:47:37.239
and made the show better just because you could get
2123
01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:40.399
immersed in the show and not be like flipping for
2124
01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:42.199
the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the
2125
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:46.000
next thing. And I thought, I thought both shows really
2126
01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.720
benefited from not having to outdo the other guy.
2127
01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:52.720
I was thinking that during the show, Eric, what what
2128
01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:55.680
do you think the effect is going to be for
2129
01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.960
AW not? I mean, Tony studied the minute five minutes
2130
01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:01.920
on Fridays, you know, and they went to break you
2131
01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:04.079
know sometimes you know we're gonna go to a you know,
2132
01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:06.319
a break, uh, and then they won't go to break
2133
01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:08.439
for two minutes because I'm assuming Tony's watching on the
2134
01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:10.880
monitor going, well, we can't go to break yet because NXT,
2135
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:13.359
you know, hasn't hasn't gone to their break yet, or
2136
01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:15.760
you know, whatever his strategy was some of that obviously
2137
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.199
is going to change when they're you know, they're not
2138
01:48:18.279 --> 01:48:19.920
gonna be worried about that. But do you think there
2139
01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:23.159
will be changes beyond sort of the that kind of
2140
01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:27.399
you know, little little mini strategies to try to try
2141
01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:29.640
to gain the system in a microway and in a
2142
01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:31.520
macro way. Maybe be more patient with some of the
2143
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:33.760
matches or some of the storylines and not have that
2144
01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:35.920
frenetic sense of urgency that we're gonna lose someone free
2145
01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.000
error video package, God forbid, they're gonna go watch something
2146
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:38.680
live on NXT.
2147
01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:42.159
Yeah, right, I think that benefits. Aw.
2148
01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:45.079
I never got the sense NXT was really counter programming
2149
01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:50.319
as much as Tony Kahan was in that second second way.
2150
01:48:50.479 --> 01:48:54.039
And almost pridefully so you know, like I mean even
2151
01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:55.640
last night it was like they just they picked uphe
2152
01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:57.479
were left out. We're not we're not, We're not. They
2153
01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:00.520
didn't even like reintroduce the concept the show and the
2154
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.399
wrestler's like, hey, we you know, like to sort of
2155
01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:05.199
acknowledge there's new people watching that interpolation and said we
2156
01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:06.840
just we're too busy doing our thing to worry.
2157
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:07.239
About that stuff.
2158
01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:10.840
Yeah, I mean their biggest counter move was their branding, right,
2159
01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.479
They got declared to show Halloween Havoc just for the
2160
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.720
hell of it, right, because it's a has some brand value.
2161
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:18.840
Still, I think they want I think they wanted Harry.
2162
01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:20.800
I think they wanted to be able to look back
2163
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:23.039
at everything that they did booking wise and the big
2164
01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:26.319
matches and go if Dynamite never existed, not a single
2165
01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:28.560
thing would have been different, which is BS. But I
2166
01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:31.119
think they booked and marketed themselves in a way where
2167
01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:33.600
they wanted to have that as some sort of plausible
2168
01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:37.279
framing of their booking, because you know, they just didn't
2169
01:49:37.319 --> 01:49:38.960
want to come across as if they were desperately trying
2170
01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:41.039
to win something that they were not winning.
2171
01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:46.600
As for going forward, I mean you saw it tonight,
2172
01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:50.159
more video packages, a less frenetic pace.
2173
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:51.399
There were times when I.
2174
01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:53.399
Felt the show was kind of dragging, like when they
2175
01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:57.039
went you know, the Anthiyegogo squash match. You know, they
2176
01:49:57.079 --> 01:49:59.439
had that great opening match and then it kind of
2177
01:49:59.479 --> 01:50:02.640
dragged for a little until they got to Jerich o'
2178
01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:06.640
harwood and then picked up again. So I know, I
2179
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:10.079
always got the sense Tony Khan is super worried about
2180
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:13.920
burning through too many high profile matches on TV and
2181
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:16.520
not having enough that feel special for pay per view
2182
01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:19.520
that you know, if you're not going ahead to head
2183
01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:23.760
there's less pressure on, less ratings, fall to hotshot, a
2184
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:27.199
bunch of marquee matches on TV every week and still
2185
01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:28.880
put on an entertaining show, which I think they have
2186
01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:31.439
a pretty good track record on that. Looking ahead at
2187
01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:36.359
next week's lineup, Chidah Kanti, they've been building that for
2188
01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.119
a while. But it's not like Sheeta Britt. You're not
2189
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.079
giving that match away on TV, right, It's more of
2190
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.760
an interim type challenger between pay per views.
2191
01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:47.920
Hobbs Kate Christian Cage. They set that up tonight, so
2192
01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:52.239
Ricky Starks versus Hangman Page.
2193
01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:54.560
That doesn't really seem to have a reason for being
2194
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.720
other than like it's a ranking system battle.
2195
01:50:57.520 --> 01:50:59.720
Which is good. Let's have more of that. Not every
2196
01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:02.479
match must have a you know, a storyline or argument
2197
01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:03.000
preceding it.
2198
01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:05.840
It seems to me they're they're building Page up the
2199
01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:09.000
whole year, and they built Max Caster up as the
2200
01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:11.399
number three guy right and rankings a couple of weeks
2201
01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:13.359
ago and then fed him to a Page. Seems like
2202
01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:16.000
they're doing the same thing with Starks and then Trent
2203
01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.479
and Penta at least was it should be a good match,
2204
01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:20.319
and at least it was set up last week I
2205
01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.359
think when the best Friends came out to confront them.
2206
01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:28.159
So none of those matches by themselves are like maybe
2207
01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:29.279
appointment television.
2208
01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:30.920
I mean, they could announce other stuff.
2209
01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:33.399
I suppose they're back live next week, so they've got
2210
01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:36.399
six six more days as of tomorrow to do that.
2211
01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:41.319
But if everything breathes and they follow up on the
2212
01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:44.239
angles they set up in a more consistent fashion, maybe
2213
01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:49.640
because they're not worried about minute by minute ratings as much. Yeah,
2214
01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:52.039
you'll start to see the quality improves. As for me
2215
01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:54.920
as a fan, selfishly, I'm really grateful that I don't
2216
01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:57.239
have to watch NXT for two hours and I'm exhausted
2217
01:51:57.239 --> 01:51:59.279
because of the breakneck pace, and then I go kind
2218
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:02.000
of fast forward through an XT. Now I could just
2219
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:05.279
enjoy NXT and watch it unfold at the pace that
2220
01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:05.640
it does.
2221
01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:08.520
Triple Age mentioned in the media call that we ran
2222
01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:10.920
on the show last week, not you know, like his
2223
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.800
philosophy on booking and the cadence of the week to
2224
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.760
week weekly series is is like a TV series, you know,
2225
01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:17.960
I don't know if he brought up walking dead or
2226
01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:20.560
breaking bad or maybe something else, maybe all of the above.
2227
01:52:21.479 --> 01:52:23.680
But he says, you know, not every show is meant
2228
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:28.279
to be the most blockbuster, praise worthy, buzz generating show.
2229
01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:30.800
You know, some shows are there to lay the foundation,
2230
01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:34.840
explore a character, bring things down a level. And it's
2231
01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:39.000
the same psychology of a three hour wrestling event. You know,
2232
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:43.039
not every match is a failure if it's not for stars,
2233
01:52:43.159 --> 01:52:45.439
if the goal of the match was to forward a
2234
01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:47.520
certain character and tell a certain story and also know
2235
01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:49.439
what's placed in the car to have an ebb and
2236
01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:52.159
a flow in terms of audience energy, and not doing
2237
01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:54.520
a bunch of kickouts. If you're trying to put make
2238
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:57.319
make a bunch of kickouts and big spots mean more later,
2239
01:52:57.439 --> 01:52:59.760
you don't burn the crowd on it earlier. And I
2240
01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:01.319
don't know that a lot of fans, and I don't
2241
01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:03.640
even know that some bookers and wrestlers have even think
2242
01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:06.359
about it in those terms. But Triple H was communicating
2243
01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:08.359
that that's how we book our weekly TV series. You know,
2244
01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:11.079
not every week is meant to be takeover quality, but
2245
01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:13.439
we have a built a base and audience and we
2246
01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.960
want to make their two hours worth tuning in, but
2247
01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:17.319
you're not always going to get, you know, pay per
2248
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:19.520
view caliber matches. And I think we might see more
2249
01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:21.359
of that with with Tony. And I think Tony's had
2250
01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:24.560
that approach to a degree too, you know, And I
2251
01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:27.640
think he's intentionally built up different matches to headline in
2252
01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:29.520
different wrestlers, And I think it's one of the strengths
2253
01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:33.279
of AW is not every week the main the main
2254
01:53:33.359 --> 01:53:36.039
segments aren't always built around the same you know, two people.
2255
01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:38.880
There's times with w TV over the years, even the
2256
01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:41.359
void of time that you missed Eric, where it was
2257
01:53:41.479 --> 01:53:44.079
like every like seven out of eight weeks, the same
2258
01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:45.840
two three four people were in the main event because
2259
01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:47.880
they hadn't built anyone else up where they could trust
2260
01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:50.239
they could put him in the main event. With the
2261
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:52.119
T and T title and the women's division and the
2262
01:53:52.159 --> 01:53:55.119
tag division and grudge matches, Aw's mixed it up, so
2263
01:53:55.640 --> 01:53:58.159
I think they'll I think Tony will feel comfortable dialing
2264
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.199
it down a little bit more. But I think he's
2265
01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:05.239
always been a cognizant of the of the negative of
2266
01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.159
hot shotting in a without an eye on, without playing
2267
01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:12.920
long ball and thinking long term. Let's see Uh, Nick,
2268
01:54:13.199 --> 01:54:14.079
what else have you got for us?
2269
01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:18.319
Just quick one. First of all, I thought the Mike
2270
01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:22.520
Tyson punch was man that was that looked stiff. But
2271
01:54:22.920 --> 01:54:26.960
it was really interesting is that when the pinnacle was
2272
01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.560
on the floor and the inner Circle was in the ring,
2273
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:39.960
who's uh mjf's guy, A big guy wardlow wardlow had
2274
01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:44.119
had the guy in a fireman's carry like he was
2275
01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:49.920
still out cold, which was just a great little little
2276
01:54:50.039 --> 01:54:53.479
touch that you know, if you're noticing it. It added
2277
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:55.399
a little little salt and pepper to the show.
2278
01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:56.000
Yeah.
2279
01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:58.079
The other thing I just wanted to say is give
2280
01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:01.000
me some more Layla hirsh And and Amna j when
2281
01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.640
she gets healthy. And also I was listening to your
2282
01:55:06.359 --> 01:55:11.600
VIP hotlines and I heard that you got your first shot. Congratulations.
2283
01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:15.199
I'm getting my second tomorrow and with that, I will
2284
01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:19.199
let the Old Man Curmudgeon Wrestling Club sail off into
2285
01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:20.159
the sunset tonight.
2286
01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:22.600
Thanks Nick, always good to hear from you. Take care.
2287
01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:26.840
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2302
01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:16.800
here with Hober, who's been patiently on hold listening to
2303
01:56:16.920 --> 01:56:19.840
us cover almost all of his topics. But as always,
2304
01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:21.319
Hobby Air, you've got.
2305
01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:21.640
More for us.
2306
01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:24.720
Hey wait there, Hey, Eric, how's it going good?
2307
01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:26.039
Yeah?
2308
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:28.119
The I thought it was a pretty good show. Uh,
2309
01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:31.439
it was taped correct, which pretty much as par for
2310
01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:31.800
the course.
2311
01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:38.159
Yeah, it's Tony Rewatches and Edits and Rewatches and Edits,
2312
01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:40.279
these pre tape shows. I mean it is. It is
2313
01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:42.800
the stonecutter version of his booking. When you see the
2314
01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:44.720
tape shows when he has six days to work on them.
2315
01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:48.720
Yeah, and the uh, I guess I love the opening
2316
01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:53.319
promo because after you've brought me up some time. Yes,
2317
01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:56.119
for the what I said about the bucks, I'm like,
2318
01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.439
if if their faces again or wish you watching again,
2319
01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:00.000
I'm probably there.
2320
01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:00.800
We're gonna hear the end of it.
2321
01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:04.439
Well, No, I think what you just said it's not
2322
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:06.279
so much giving your hard time as much as you
2323
01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:07.960
were like, I'm on board as long as this is
2324
01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:09.600
what it appears to be. But if it's another swurve,
2325
01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:11.840
screw them. I'm done. And I think a lot of
2326
01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:12.720
people would have felt that way.
2327
01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:17.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, I mean and and it's it's
2328
01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:19.520
not to say that I you know that I need
2329
01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:22.960
them to be uh heels from now on, from now
2330
01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:24.720
to like ten years from now or whatever.
2331
01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:28.119
But at least they have agency as opposed to just
2332
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:31.000
reacting wishy washy. Yeah, if it turns out like six
2333
01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:33.880
months from now, this was all you know, uh you know,
2334
01:57:34.359 --> 01:57:36.720
whatever story they're trying to tell that that that's that's
2335
01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:38.600
fine at least, but at least they're at least they
2336
01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:40.439
have agency. They're direct, and they're and they're the ones
2337
01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:44.760
pushing the story along. Now, yeah, although considering the kind
2338
01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:46.920
of the back seat that they took at that promo,
2339
01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:50.680
at the you know, uh the final promo that they did,
2340
01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:53.560
and uh, they kind of took like a back seat
2341
01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:58.760
to uh to callous and and Omega, I don't think
2342
01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:00.479
that that's the plan and that it is it's going
2343
01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:06.640
to be uh pretty bad. So, but now that they
2344
01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:09.560
have charted a course it I don't know. I got
2345
01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:13.239
the feeling the now hangman page is of course, because
2346
01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:16.479
when Alex Marvez asked him about the what's going on
2347
01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:19.600
with the elite, he kind of you know, dodged the
2348
01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:24.399
question and bailed on the interview. Look, you rather uncomfortable,
2349
01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:27.840
So maybe we're going to be getting a wishy washy
2350
01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:28.800
hangman page.
2351
01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:31.880
Now yeah, Eric, what did you make of page? What
2352
01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:35.359
story are they telling? What story are they telling or
2353
01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:36.319
trying to tell?
2354
01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:36.800
With him?
2355
01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:39.520
When he just tells an egg rolls joke or whatever
2356
01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:41.439
it was and waters off a dark order after swinging
2357
01:58:41.479 --> 01:58:42.239
a swinging a beer.
2358
01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:48.199
I liked where Hoavier was going with that.
2359
01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:53.319
I had a what if scenario brainstorm as soon as
2360
01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.640
I saw that and saw the rest.
2361
01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:56.319
Of the Bucks promos.
2362
01:58:57.399 --> 01:58:59.760
The conventional wisdom has been that they were going to
2363
01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.479
eventually at some point reunite the elite as baby faces,
2364
01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:06.359
and they would take their rightful place as the stars
2365
01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.640
of the show. And what if they're going to do that,
2366
01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:10.720
but they're going to reunite the.
2367
01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:11.600
Elite as heels.
2368
01:59:13.239 --> 01:59:17.159
Hangman is the last piece of that puzzle. And then
2369
01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:21.520
I kind of thought, well, that might be interesting.
2370
01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:23.079
It sure as heck.
2371
01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:26.399
Seems like they're doing with Hangman page what wwe did
2372
01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:30.119
with Bobby Lashley for a year. He's not losing, They're
2373
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:35.319
building him up. I assume he is the November challenger
2374
01:59:35.439 --> 01:59:40.439
for Kenny Omega at full gear. It is my assumption,
2375
01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:43.840
and possibly, depending on how things go, maybe they put
2376
01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.600
the title on him. I think Hangman will benefit like
2377
01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:49.319
Orange Cassidy from when there are crowds back and Hangman
2378
01:59:49.399 --> 01:59:52.000
can do his stone called Steve Austin gimmick with the
2379
01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:56.640
beer and the being the cowboy, and and I think
2380
01:59:56.720 --> 02:00:02.079
that's where it's headed. But that certainly is a certainly
2381
02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:04.399
as a route they could go. I chalked up tonight's
2382
02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:07.880
not wanting to answer the question as him is just
2383
02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:11.960
that uncomfortable. This doesn't want to doesn't want to go back,
2384
02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:13.239
doesn't want to comment yet.
2385
02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:17.079
Yeah. I don't have a lot to say yet, Hair,
2386
02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:19.840
because I'm I just it's a small sample of whatever
2387
02:00:19.880 --> 02:00:22.439
story they're telling with him. I mean, I'm you know,
2388
02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:24.680
I eric he was right. I mean, until crowds are back,
2389
02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:27.560
I almost feel like they're they're sort of spinning wheels
2390
02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:29.439
on purpose with him because they don't want to go
2391
02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:32.039
too far until the crowd is reacting, you know, an actual,
2392
02:00:32.279 --> 02:00:36.680
you know, full house audience. But I didn't. I don't
2393
02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:39.000
love the presentation and blowing off the interview and seeming
2394
02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:41.520
like he's not really focused when he's last week, you know,
2395
02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:43.520
is moving into top Contender ship suddenly.
2396
02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:47.439
Yeah that was my my My my take is the
2397
02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:51.760
uh he he looked like he was riding the ship
2398
02:00:52.119 --> 02:00:54.800
more confident, uh, you know, with with the friendship, be
2399
02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:58.000
struck up with the dark Order. But now, you know,
2400
02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:02.239
him going back to what they were calling a millennial
2401
02:01:02.319 --> 02:01:06.319
cowboy I think was uh what was what they were
2402
02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.199
calling him? Something along those lines. But uh, I don't
2403
02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.079
want him to go back to to the you know,
2404
02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:13.760
having all this angst about you know, what his former
2405
02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:18.239
friends are doing. Uh, you know, and they do just
2406
02:01:18.319 --> 02:01:20.640
do it like super briefly and then you know, have
2407
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:23.039
to to draw a line in the sand, and and
2408
02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:28.079
and and choose a side the Uh yeah, So that
2409
02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:30.960
that was on that uh and and the other thing
2410
02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:33.359
on the Young Bucks, I had uh on the because
2411
02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:36.399
you mentioned about them show voting, but that was kind
2412
02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:39.359
of like their That was kind of their gimmick was
2413
02:01:39.439 --> 02:01:43.039
the fact that they were so good that the only
2414
02:01:43.159 --> 02:01:47.520
way they would lose is that they they they they'd
2415
02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:50.600
start show voting too much and that's what would cost them,
2416
02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:53.760
or they'd become so reckless in their offense that they
2417
02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:58.399
started hurting each other. So I kind of like that
2418
02:01:58.800 --> 02:02:01.119
version of them when they were you know, early on
2419
02:02:01.399 --> 02:02:04.279
the you know, the the early Bucks before you know,
2420
02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:07.960
the crowd turned in face. I like that whole idea
2421
02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:10.800
that they, you know, they were their own worst enemies.
2422
02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:13.640
Was was kind of like the way that they had
2423
02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:14.119
been booked.
2424
02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:15.920
And I like that too. I just think they got
2425
02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.720
to that line and told that story and then he
2426
02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:20.880
dropped to his knees and fake cried, like I just
2427
02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:23.079
thought it was one one one just say that for
2428
02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:24.880
a different match. You know, it just was a little
2429
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:27.479
too much. It's it's that fourth adjective, you know, and
2430
02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:30.600
three were sufficient in a sentence or two, you know,
2431
02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:33.159
or one? Yeah, anyway, you got my point.
2432
02:02:35.439 --> 02:02:39.920
Yeah, uh, And Eric, I had written, I don't know
2433
02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:41.920
what you had written. I forgot what you had written,
2434
02:02:41.960 --> 02:02:48.279
but I had written the cherishisted, twisted fate was a kickout. Yeah, yes,
2435
02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:52.239
because yeah, because I mean I would I'm okay with
2436
02:02:52.439 --> 02:02:56.680
the the jump out, you know, through the table being
2437
02:02:56.720 --> 02:02:58.800
a kick out. A little bit later on, it was
2438
02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:02.960
just that one was it's his finisher and it's assisted.
2439
02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:08.119
The last time I saw something that egregious was Roman
2440
02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:14.359
Reigns powering out of uh Russv's uh the camel clutch
2441
02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:16.920
thing that he had, you know, on on stairs with
2442
02:03:17.039 --> 02:03:20.319
an iron chain and and and Roman rains powered out
2443
02:03:20.319 --> 02:03:22.319
of it could totally keep you know that. I mean
2444
02:03:22.359 --> 02:03:25.239
that that's what made me hate Roman range at that point.
2445
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:28.560
It was the same thing. Yeah, you know, It's like
2446
02:03:28.600 --> 02:03:31.439
I know that they're calling Darbiel indestructible and stuff, but
2447
02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:33.880
that was kind of you know, finisher with a with
2448
02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:36.800
a uh with a chair with that that was a
2449
02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:41.399
bridge too far. But if I turn off my brain,
2450
02:03:41.520 --> 02:03:42.359
I did enjoy.
2451
02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:45.520
The match bookers should not take pride in people saying
2452
02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:47.840
turn off my If I turn off my brain, I
2453
02:03:48.319 --> 02:03:50.880
dot dot dot. You know, your goal should should not
2454
02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:53.920
be that is the only way people can enjoy your booking.
2455
02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.279
But I I you know, yes, at least there's something
2456
02:03:56.279 --> 02:03:57.640
there if you do turn off your brain to like
2457
02:03:57.760 --> 02:03:59.760
and that that is that is a consolation price.
2458
02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:03.000
Well that in movies, because that's that's pretty much what
2459
02:04:03.600 --> 02:04:07.239
a lot of people who push back on some of
2460
02:04:07.279 --> 02:04:09.319
the critiques of you know, everybody's favorite movies like, oh, well,
2461
02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:10.760
if I turn up my brain, I enjoyed it. But
2462
02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:13.600
you shouldn't have to do that same thing with wrestling.
2463
02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:16.439
I think the same thing. You know, all entertainment. You
2464
02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.560
should never turning out your brain should never be a
2465
02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:21.279
prerequisite for you enjoying something.
2466
02:04:21.560 --> 02:04:24.239
I love Kevin Solomon's line w W. Booker when people
2467
02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:26.319
were critical of something he was doing and he goes,
2468
02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:28.520
you have to suspend your disbelief. It's like he didn't
2469
02:04:28.520 --> 02:04:29.880
even know what the term meant, but he just said
2470
02:04:29.880 --> 02:04:32.000
it in response to people criticizing something. It didn't make
2471
02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:36.079
any sense. Suspend your disfleief. It was like, I'm quite
2472
02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:38.520
sure he gets the spirit of what that phrase means.
2473
02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:44.199
But nevertheless, Eric, guys, sometimes I want to watch Kenneth
2474
02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:47.920
Brandna adapt to Shakespeare play for this big screen. Sometimes
2475
02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:50.279
I want to watch Godzilla and King Kong beat the
2476
02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:50.720
hell out.
2477
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:51.039
Of each other.
2478
02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:51.520
Exactly.
2479
02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:54.800
It just depends that where I'm at in life at
2480
02:04:54.800 --> 02:04:55.680
that particular moment.
2481
02:04:56.359 --> 02:04:57.479
Yep, totally.
2482
02:05:01.199 --> 02:05:04.159
The UH and and keeping in the main event.
2483
02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:04.680
Uh.
2484
02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:09.119
Some It was mentioned a while that, you know that
2485
02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.399
they might be relying too much on hardcore and blood
2486
02:05:12.399 --> 02:05:14.039
and guts, and well, this has been't have blood guts,
2487
02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:16.439
We've this has pretty much been a pretty solid UH
2488
02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:23.399
slate shows that's had some sort of you know, hardcore
2489
02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:27.479
weapons laiden, you know, match in a in a row,
2490
02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:30.039
and you think that might we might be you know,
2491
02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:31.359
grow on the too far.
2492
02:05:32.319 --> 02:05:34.800
I mean, it's a theory that that's what's actually driving
2493
02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:38.760
some people away, you know, I mean the viewership, you know,
2494
02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:43.359
seven sixty eight, seven fifty seven, seven hundred six eighty eight.
2495
02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:46.079
They've been on a one month downswing, you know. I
2496
02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:49.840
mean they're tony will point to demographic numbers and and
2497
02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:52.119
all that, but I mean, you'd like to see numbers
2498
02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:56.000
going up, not down during this stretch of ultra violence Erica.
2499
02:05:56.079 --> 02:05:59.279
What is the you know, cost benefit I guess of
2500
02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:01.640
of of making that a big part of your brand.
2501
02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:06.600
Well, there are some analysts out there, maybe they talk
2502
02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:10.560
to Tony Kahan every week who suggests that it's almost
2503
02:06:10.600 --> 02:06:13.640
totally the women viewership, right that's led to this decline,
2504
02:06:13.680 --> 02:06:16.279
and that they were turned off by the britt thunder
2505
02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:21.439
rosa blood bath and so they just checked out or
2506
02:06:21.439 --> 02:06:25.079
stopped watching. Other people have talked about an MTV reality
2507
02:06:25.159 --> 02:06:28.239
show cutting into the women audience. I am not a
2508
02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:33.319
ratings demographic expert and don't get the numbers to look at,
2509
02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:37.680
but they sure as heck have been down, as you
2510
02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:41.399
just eloquently pointed out with actual facts and figures. What
2511
02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:45.199
do we where do you set the success failure for
2512
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.359
the audience? This week, the first not head to head week,
2513
02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:52.199
we saw that I don't know when NXT's average. If
2514
02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:56.399
you throw out the takeover branding as an outlier, NXT
2515
02:06:56.680 --> 02:07:00.479
probably had a two hundred thousand viewer ups right, I
2516
02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:02.600
mean they were averaging around six hundred thousand a week.
2517
02:07:02.640 --> 02:07:04.359
Maybe I know.
2518
02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:06.640
The story I wrote at Peterdetorch dot com earlier broke
2519
02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:09.520
this down. The average viewership from January sixth through March thirty.
2520
02:07:09.520 --> 02:07:11.880
First reading for my story was six hundred and fifty
2521
02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:14.199
three thousand, so the eight hundred five thousand on Tuesday
2522
02:07:14.279 --> 02:07:19.079
represents a twenty three percent increase. NXT averaged six hundred
2523
02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:22.640
twenty five thousand in quarter four last year, so in
2524
02:07:22.760 --> 02:07:26.199
the kind of you know, taking in a larger sample size,
2525
02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:28.439
that's where they were coming from one year ago. This
2526
02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:30.439
weekend XT did six hundred and ninety four thousand, so
2527
02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:34.520
they're one hundred ten thousand above that. It's only one week,
2528
02:07:34.680 --> 02:07:36.920
but aw donam I had average seven hundred and twenty
2529
02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.239
five thousand and quarter one, So if they experienced a
2530
02:07:39.319 --> 02:07:42.720
similar increase in percent, they would end up at nine
2531
02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:45.039
hundred and fifty three. If they experienced a similar increase
2532
02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:48.000
in just sheer number, it's they'll end up at nine
2533
02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:49.319
hundred and fifteen thousand.
2534
02:07:51.159 --> 02:07:54.560
I bet on the lower end of that, well know,
2535
02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:58.960
in less than twenty four hours. But I I don't
2536
02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:02.319
know that they get it, you know. My gut just
2537
02:08:02.439 --> 02:08:05.600
says they don't get that big of a bump. But maybe,
2538
02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:08.520
I mean, maybe it's just because they've been so low
2539
02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:11.640
for a couple of weeks. Now that it seems like
2540
02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:15.399
to gobble up that many viewers again is might take
2541
02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:16.399
them a few weeks to get there.
2542
02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:22.119
But I'm wondering if they I was thinking, you gobble
2543
02:08:22.199 --> 02:08:24.239
up those viewers this week, and then you build on
2544
02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:26.960
that if the shows are good, like you know, it's
2545
02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:29.279
going to take some time for people to kind of recalibrate,
2546
02:08:29.399 --> 02:08:31.239
or you know, you watch NXT on a Tuesday and
2547
02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:33.560
now you're like, oh, that's right, Aw's on Wednesday. I
2548
02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:35.159
don't normally watch that, but I'm gonna give it a
2549
02:08:35.199 --> 02:08:38.159
try now. I think NXT has more room to grow
2550
02:08:38.399 --> 02:08:41.640
than AW because aw's on their normal night. So I
2551
02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:44.920
take the higher end of what is the what AW
2552
02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:47.920
should consider success because they're on the same night. NXT
2553
02:08:48.199 --> 02:08:49.960
didn't have competition. They're coming out of the rest of
2554
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:52.039
any weekend and takeover. That worked in their benefit. But
2555
02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:55.000
they change nights and people are creatures of habits, so
2556
02:08:55.479 --> 02:08:57.600
it's not apples to apples. That's why I think aw's
2557
02:08:57.600 --> 02:08:58.399
bar is a little higher.
2558
02:08:59.760 --> 02:09:02.119
I mean, to me, nine to fifteen seem in this
2559
02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:04.640
this week seems like the high end of what they
2560
02:09:04.760 --> 02:09:08.720
might do in the nine p fifty or more seems
2561
02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:15.039
maybe out of reach. But you know, again, does it
2562
02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:16.840
really matter when you get the plus three and the
2563
02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.560
plus seven figures. They're over a million just about every week,
2564
02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:24.880
so it's just when are you watching it? You're winning
2565
02:09:24.920 --> 02:09:27.479
the war on Twitter, I guess even if you end
2566
02:09:27.600 --> 02:09:30.199
up at the same place more less after seven days.
2567
02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:32.560
Anyway, I think it comes with expectations for rating comes
2568
02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:34.800
down to you do you think coming off of Takeover
2569
02:09:35.600 --> 02:09:38.560
a new Champion, WrestleMania week and a plug on Raw
2570
02:09:38.760 --> 02:09:40.760
and as Triple H keeps saying, only twenty four hours
2571
02:09:40.840 --> 02:09:42.399
instead of forty eight, you know from the plug on
2572
02:09:42.479 --> 02:09:44.520
Raw to people watching, I think he overrates that. But
2573
02:09:44.600 --> 02:09:47.199
it's a positive spin on moving to Tuesdays. How much
2574
02:09:47.479 --> 02:09:51.720
is all the positives out is? Does that more than
2575
02:09:51.800 --> 02:09:55.079
offset the negative of changing nights? Aw's on the same night.
2576
02:09:55.199 --> 02:09:57.640
I think being on the same night means they should
2577
02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:02.079
increase more than NXT did, And I think anything less
2578
02:10:02.119 --> 02:10:05.199
than nine twenty is a disappointment in terms of how
2579
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:07.439
many NX defense they grabbed on week one? Who tuned
2580
02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:10.560
in going, oh, that's right, NXT's not on I'll try AW.
2581
02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:13.119
I think AW should improve upon it because they're on
2582
02:10:13.600 --> 02:10:16.720
the old Knight, not a New Night, And that's where
2583
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:18.560
I think nine to fifteen is the lowest they should
2584
02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:18.920
be okay with.
2585
02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:25.680
Yeah, I I guess to get that they're getting a
2586
02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:31.279
ton of NXT folks switching over. Are they regaining the
2587
02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:32.600
women audience that they.
2588
02:10:32.720 --> 02:10:34.680
Well, let me push just a little bit, let me
2589
02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:37.239
push back in the women harder part. Right, If I
2590
02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:41.439
push back on the women's audience argument, you know, on
2591
02:10:41.560 --> 02:10:43.279
March third and March tenth, they did in the male
2592
02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:45.239
eighteen to forty nine point four nine and point four
2593
02:10:45.239 --> 02:10:47.800
to five in the male eighteen to forty nine audience.
2594
02:10:47.880 --> 02:10:49.640
Last two weeks they did point three eight point three eight.
2595
02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:52.800
I mean they're down on men. I don't buy the narrative.
2596
02:10:53.279 --> 02:10:54.960
I look at the numbers. I don't buy the narrative.
2597
02:10:56.600 --> 02:11:00.199
Well, last week they were down just in total viewers lot.
2598
02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:02.760
I assume because of takeover. I don't know what was
2599
02:11:02.800 --> 02:11:04.720
going on the few weeks before that thing was called.
2600
02:11:04.840 --> 02:11:07.880
They were using them to lose who they were losing specifically.
2601
02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:09.560
Well, they did six hundred eight eight last week and
2602
02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:11.520
seven hundred thousand a week before, both were way below
2603
02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:14.680
their average. My point is is, if the idea is oh,
2604
02:11:14.760 --> 02:11:17.159
that number is just because we lost women, No if
2605
02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:19.600
they did, but they did point four to oh or
2606
02:11:19.720 --> 02:11:22.800
higher the previous at least four weeks, and they've been
2607
02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:24.920
under point four to OHO in the men demographic the
2608
02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:27.399
last two weeks, so they have also turned off men,
2609
02:11:27.560 --> 02:11:29.960
not just women. That's my point is they're losing everybody
2610
02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:33.880
in this downward trend, not just women. The young male
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02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:35.840
demo has been a little more steady, but they're even
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02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:37.439
down there too. They did point one seven and point
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02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:39.159
one seven in mid March, and they did point one
2614
02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:41.840
three in point one five the last two weeks in
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02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:44.960
the eighteen to thirty four demos. So I like larger, larger,
2616
02:11:45.239 --> 02:11:47.680
larger sample sizes for demos because I think there's more
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02:11:47.680 --> 02:11:49.920
margin for air with smaller sample size. But I'm just
2618
02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:52.000
not buying the female audience being the only thing that
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02:11:52.159 --> 02:11:54.439
has that is, it's not like the same number of
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02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:55.880
men are watching and only women I've left.
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02:11:57.199 --> 02:11:59.760
My guess would be that historically it's easier to bring
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male viewers than female wrestling viewers because they tend to
2623
02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:04.399
be fewer of them to begin with.
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02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:08.000
Yeah, yeah, I'm just pushing back on the idea we've
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02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:10.760
only lost women and the men still love us. If
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02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:12.800
that's if that is, if that is what is being
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02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:16.159
positive positive, I am saying the numbers do not back
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02:12:16.199 --> 02:12:18.159
that up. That sounds like an excuse, a selective look
2629
02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:19.239
at numbers, and an excuse.
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How do you effect you? What else here?
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02:13:03.319 --> 02:13:07.960
The uh? Yeah you mentioned the uh what uh? The
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02:13:08.199 --> 02:13:11.199
the guy I forget his name, now I go go
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02:13:11.920 --> 02:13:16.039
that that knockout thing. The the other way that they
2643
02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:19.600
could have covered for that whole thing would be the commentary,
2644
02:13:19.840 --> 02:13:22.399
you know, saying that he couldn't answer the refs. Uh
2645
02:13:23.319 --> 02:13:25.079
you know, when the ref asked him, are you okay?
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02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:26.880
He couldn't answer the rest because that that you know,
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02:13:27.840 --> 02:13:30.199
you know, at least cover it that way. H. It
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02:13:30.199 --> 02:13:32.680
would have been nice instead of them, you know, h
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02:13:32.840 --> 02:13:36.840
making fun of uh you know move names, which happened twice.
2650
02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:42.720
I find it aggravating with particularly the one where j
2651
02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:45.399
R got to be in his in his bond bonded
2652
02:13:45.439 --> 02:13:53.479
about uh clothesline or lariat. That one annoyed me. Yeah, yeah,
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02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:56.680
but uh uh and Eric was the the other line
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02:13:56.720 --> 02:13:59.279
you like from MGS the I was barely born when
2655
02:13:59.319 --> 02:14:02.560
Tyson but yeah, I thought he was a big deal.
2656
02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:07.800
Yes, that was great. M Jeff's wonderful with the uh,
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02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:11.560
with the insults in his delivery, it's it's, i mean,
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02:14:11.880 --> 02:14:15.960
Tucker Carlson esque in its artfulness of of you know,
2659
02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:18.119
take taking a dig, but saying it in such a
2660
02:14:18.159 --> 02:14:19.840
matter of fact way that doesn't sound like an insult.
2661
02:14:19.880 --> 02:14:22.239
It sounds like a fact or it doesn't sound like propaganda,
2662
02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:24.119
it sounds like a given. And he says it in
2663
02:14:24.199 --> 02:14:27.680
a way where it's just like, wow, yeah, he's he's
2664
02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:30.640
really he's really good at his craft. I've stopped the
2665
02:14:30.640 --> 02:14:32.920
show with the Tucker cross reference. What actually one other
2666
02:14:32.920 --> 02:14:35.920
thing I want to bring up about inconsistencies. Is when
2667
02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:39.319
Jade Cargill entered Velvet Red, Velvet attacked her immediately and
2668
02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:40.760
they have called for the bell to start the match,
2669
02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:44.119
and Doughby's been better about this. It's it's that, you know,
2670
02:14:44.199 --> 02:14:46.560
it's a story you want to tell. Who cares about consistency,
2671
02:14:46.560 --> 02:14:48.800
about how referees act and if we're picking on referees
2672
02:14:48.880 --> 02:14:50.600
not being consistent. Oh, he got punched in the gut.
2673
02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:52.319
He looks like he's in pain. I better call off
2674
02:14:52.359 --> 02:14:55.600
the match. What the left? That never happens, that's just dumb.
2675
02:14:56.720 --> 02:14:59.760
The refs shouldn't reward a pre bell attack. When there's
2676
02:14:59.760 --> 02:15:01.960
a pre bell attack, you separate the rest is and
2677
02:15:02.000 --> 02:15:03.520
you check with the wrestler who got beat up, like
2678
02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:06.279
Matt Riddle a couple weeks ago with Shamus, and Riddle's like, yeah, yeah,
2679
02:15:06.319 --> 02:15:08.159
I'm fine, I can go. I can go. Once the
2680
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:10.439
person who's a victim of the attack says okay, then
2681
02:15:10.479 --> 02:15:12.479
it's not on the ref anymore. The ref can ring
2682
02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:14.560
the bell. The restler got beat up, gaate permission, And
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02:15:14.720 --> 02:15:17.319
so there's a you know, w's far from perfect. It
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02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:21.000
goes without saying, but aw, you know I like that.
2685
02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:22.840
I wish that there were some things they picked up
2686
02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.600
on that would be's corrected over time to make things
2687
02:15:25.600 --> 02:15:26.960
a little more logical in that regard.
2688
02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:33.960
Yeah, that just happened on New Japan Strong where Nicoleo
2689
02:15:34.119 --> 02:15:37.279
jumped Fred Rosser before the bells started, and they did
2690
02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:39.159
the same thing, you know, once the they got into
2691
02:15:39.199 --> 02:15:41.079
the ring, they asked, you know, Fred ross and said, no,
2692
02:15:41.439 --> 02:15:43.199
I'm good to go, even though he you know, was
2693
02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:45.680
so passed out in the corner, but he's as the
2694
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:47.720
stalwart baby face. He said he was good to go
2695
02:15:47.800 --> 02:15:51.119
and the man started. So yep, I think like as
2696
02:15:51.199 --> 02:15:52.800
far as I can, I think like everybody does that,
2697
02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:54.119
so aw doesn't.
2698
02:15:55.199 --> 02:15:56.880
Yeah, I know, it's it's part of where it's just
2699
02:15:56.920 --> 02:15:58.600
another voice in the booking room would be good.
2700
02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:04.319
Uh and and uh. For that opening match, I actually
2701
02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:08.159
gave it a three point five. I find it hard
2702
02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:10.520
to give more than three point five to any match
2703
02:16:11.239 --> 02:16:14.600
on TV when they've got commercial breaks because it kills
2704
02:16:14.640 --> 02:16:19.439
the flow for me. So but yeah, I enjoyed the match.
2705
02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:23.239
I think I know who you were referencing, Too's the star.
2706
02:16:24.439 --> 02:16:26.640
I gotta I honestly, there's not a ton of people
2707
02:16:26.680 --> 02:16:28.960
I pay attention to their star ratings, but I'm pretty
2708
02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.840
consistent and subtracting, and and one of them's on staff,
2709
02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:32.639
and I've told them that.
2710
02:16:36.120 --> 02:16:41.879
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, the uh so you did three
2711
02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:43.280
point five fair for me.
2712
02:16:43.680 --> 02:16:45.280
I don't think it's fair to take away from a
2713
02:16:45.479 --> 02:16:48.079
match rating based on a commercial on a personal level,
2714
02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:49.680
taking you out of it. I think I think you
2715
02:16:49.719 --> 02:16:51.639
almost have to fill in the gap, especially when most
2716
02:16:51.680 --> 02:16:54.639
of it's on split screen, and I I have it.
2717
02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:57.280
I don't give star ratings to TV matches as often,
2718
02:16:57.440 --> 02:17:00.760
in part because I just the I think the goal
2719
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:03.280
of a match on TV is most of the time
2720
02:17:03.360 --> 02:17:06.159
and ought to be different than a match that exists
2721
02:17:06.239 --> 02:17:08.360
as as not a means to an ends, but an ends.
2722
02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:10.559
It's what you bought, it's the end of the it's
2723
02:17:10.639 --> 02:17:12.319
it's the end of the journey or a major chapter,
2724
02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:15.520
major pillar in the story, and it's it's something you
2725
02:17:15.639 --> 02:17:18.559
pay for, and it's not there to set up an angle.
2726
02:17:18.680 --> 02:17:21.559
And there are matches that are exceptions on TV, and
2727
02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:25.120
I will make an exception on them, but as a habit,
2728
02:17:25.399 --> 02:17:28.360
I just don't. This gets into a much larger discussion,
2729
02:17:28.399 --> 02:17:30.600
and we've gone to two plus hours here, but I
2730
02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:33.239
don't think the star rating system applies should apply in
2731
02:17:33.319 --> 02:17:35.520
the same way to a match on TV as it
2732
02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:37.559
does on pay per view, because a good booker is
2733
02:17:37.559 --> 02:17:39.159
going to have a completely different purpose to a match
2734
02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:40.920
on TV than he does out of house shore or
2735
02:17:40.920 --> 02:17:42.760
a pay per view, And I think the scale of
2736
02:17:42.959 --> 02:17:44.920
how you judge it should should take that into account.
2737
02:17:45.799 --> 02:17:48.680
And I think, yeah, pre taped, I mean you don't
2738
02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:49.840
know what they edited out right.
2739
02:17:50.280 --> 02:17:51.879
Yeah, in that sense, you just go, I'm judging the
2740
02:17:51.920 --> 02:17:53.760
final product, you know. I mean, I you know, if
2741
02:17:53.799 --> 02:17:55.399
they took out twelve minutes and it was the best
2742
02:17:55.479 --> 02:17:58.000
or worse twelve minutes, I'm just going to grade what
2743
02:17:58.120 --> 02:18:01.079
the final edit was. You know, that the the director's cut,
2744
02:18:01.120 --> 02:18:02.520
so to speak, and not what was left on the
2745
02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:05.479
cutting room floor. But that can factor in. Obviously, a
2746
02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:08.079
match that goes eight minutes and there's a three and
2747
02:18:08.079 --> 02:18:09.840
a half commercial break in the middle, it's ridiculous to
2748
02:18:09.879 --> 02:18:11.840
star rate it. I mean half almost half the match
2749
02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:14.559
wasn't even there. So yeah, that's the thing is. You know,
2750
02:18:14.639 --> 02:18:16.239
you don't hear me talking a lot about star ratings
2751
02:18:16.280 --> 02:18:18.399
on TV shows because I I just I don't think
2752
02:18:18.399 --> 02:18:19.879
the point of a of a match on TV is
2753
02:18:19.879 --> 02:18:21.600
to have a good match. I think that's I think
2754
02:18:21.639 --> 02:18:24.959
it's it's a necessary ingredient in the aggregate, but it's
2755
02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:27.360
not what a match should be judged on on a
2756
02:18:27.399 --> 02:18:27.959
TV show.
2757
02:18:29.079 --> 02:18:32.520
Yeah, I actually don't really take it seriously unless it's
2758
02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:34.879
the like the G One or the Best of Super Junior,
2759
02:18:34.920 --> 02:18:37.280
which is a tournament, and and and it's mainly to
2760
02:18:37.479 --> 02:18:41.280
compare what everybody else in the same yeah, you know,
2761
02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:45.520
doing the same thing, you know, because you know, like
2762
02:18:45.559 --> 02:18:48.520
when it's even like what you mentioned on the pay
2763
02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:51.040
per view, it's just more of an entertainment valley in
2764
02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:53.520
terms of like how much did I entertain the story?
2765
02:18:53.719 --> 02:18:56.200
And on a new japan Pire podcast, I mentioned a
2766
02:18:56.280 --> 02:18:59.280
lot that you know, sometimes it's the build to the
2767
02:18:59.360 --> 02:19:02.879
story that or the storyline they're they're telling in the
2768
02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:06.200
ring and not necessarily the you know, the the the
2769
02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:11.680
action necessarily that that you know adds to it. You know,
2770
02:19:11.959 --> 02:19:13.680
it's the whole, It's the whole shebang, you know.
2771
02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:16.399
Yeah. I'd love to talk more about this, but we
2772
02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:18.840
got to we're broadening beyond.
2773
02:19:19.600 --> 02:19:19.799
Yeah.
2774
02:19:21.399 --> 02:19:25.079
Yeah, but one last question, well last ones it was
2775
02:19:25.319 --> 02:19:29.000
this was just weird. Uh have they been always putting
2776
02:19:29.159 --> 02:19:32.680
Trent's name with a question mark, because when they had
2777
02:19:32.719 --> 02:19:36.200
the tazmin of the previewing his match with Penta, they
2778
02:19:36.239 --> 02:19:38.200
had Trent with a question mark. Is that new or
2779
02:19:38.479 --> 02:19:39.360
was that a mistake or.
2780
02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:42.280
They've been doing this for forever.
2781
02:19:42.559 --> 02:19:46.799
Yeah, it's some it's some inside joke that I don't
2782
02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.600
quite fully grasp, Like it wasn't his name in New
2783
02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.079
Japan Trent Bretta.
2784
02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:55.520
And now he's just Trent question mark. It's some cute
2785
02:19:55.520 --> 02:19:57.799
seapoo thing q poo. I like that.
2786
02:19:58.719 --> 02:20:00.680
Yeah, let's let's get rid of the que super stuff.
2787
02:20:03.479 --> 02:20:06.200
Yeah, because that was that was that was I always
2788
02:20:06.200 --> 02:20:08.200
found that weird that Burretta is much cooler nan than
2789
02:20:08.479 --> 02:20:10.760
than Trent. So I guess that might be the trend.
2790
02:20:11.120 --> 02:20:13.879
Really you're gonna go with that? I guess that might
2791
02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:17.399
be must be it. Yeah, Yeah, so that's pretty much
2792
02:20:17.440 --> 02:20:17.760
all I had.
2793
02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:21.159
So cool, Thanks Aavire. I was great here for you.
2794
02:20:21.920 --> 02:20:25.639
All right, good take care? All right, VIP member, stay
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02:20:25.639 --> 02:20:27.959
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02:20:28.000 --> 02:20:30.639
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02:20:30.719 --> 02:20:34.399
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02:20:34.639 --> 02:20:38.120
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2799
02:20:38.159 --> 02:20:40.000
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02:20:43.159 --> 02:20:46.000
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Pro Wrestling post shows. All right, Joe from New York.
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02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:13.600
Tonight was the first night AW was by themselves, and
2810
02:21:13.639 --> 02:21:15.799
I think they did way too much wrestling tonight. They
2811
02:21:15.840 --> 02:21:19.079
probably had some NXT viewers, and tonight was a night
2812
02:21:19.120 --> 02:21:20.760
to go heavy on promos, let the people get to
2813
02:21:20.840 --> 02:21:22.719
know who some of the wrestlers are and give the
2814
02:21:22.719 --> 02:21:25.000
wrestlers a chance to talk. Rady's have gone down a
2815
02:21:25.040 --> 02:21:26.920
lot over the last month, and I think a lot
2816
02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:29.440
of that is because of too many fifteen minute wrestling
2817
02:21:29.479 --> 02:21:31.760
matches for guys who have not won the fans over yet.
2818
02:21:32.120 --> 02:21:34.719
AW needs more promos. It's missing in their product and
2819
02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:38.600
promos are what make people connect with the wrestler. I
2820
02:21:38.680 --> 02:21:40.639
think there's been episodes like that, Eric, I don't think
2821
02:21:40.680 --> 02:21:43.559
this was that episode. Like, I think this had a
2822
02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:46.879
pretty good balance. And when the wrestling is heavy, because
2823
02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:49.680
you do a twenty three minute four star give or
2824
02:21:49.719 --> 02:21:53.719
take take team match to open that, really, you know,
2825
02:21:53.920 --> 02:21:55.879
just puts out there, this is who we are, this
2826
02:21:56.000 --> 02:21:57.200
is what our brand is about, or a big part
2827
02:21:57.239 --> 02:21:58.840
of our brand for those of you who've been watching NXT.
2828
02:22:00.639 --> 02:22:02.239
And then you have the Bucks open the show with
2829
02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:04.479
a promo, and you have Kenny and Don and the
2830
02:22:04.559 --> 02:22:08.000
Bucks do a promo, and you have multiple pre tape
2831
02:22:08.479 --> 02:22:11.879
short video packages where wrestlers are presenting their characters, and
2832
02:22:12.000 --> 02:22:14.760
you have a MJF and Mike Tyson talk and you
2833
02:22:14.840 --> 02:22:18.280
have Chris Jericho talk, and I know I'm missing some
2834
02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:21.360
I mean, oh, Christian Cage, you know, and Taz, I mean,
2835
02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:24.159
wasn't along Christian promo before he got interrupted and it
2836
02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:25.280
was a set up for an angle, but it was
2837
02:22:25.319 --> 02:22:29.120
still a promo. I think this actually was a pretty
2838
02:22:29.159 --> 02:22:32.479
good balance. I think this, you know, you can say, oh,
2839
02:22:32.479 --> 02:22:33.920
maybe the Darby Matt match would have been a couple
2840
02:22:33.920 --> 02:22:38.559
minutes shorter. It got a little ridiculous. But other than that,
2841
02:22:38.840 --> 02:22:40.719
I mean, you know, you and I talked last time
2842
02:22:40.719 --> 02:22:42.959
you're on the show about squash matches. I'm I do
2843
02:22:43.079 --> 02:22:45.760
not think a show slows down when you have two
2844
02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:48.840
matches that go a minute to help establish a new
2845
02:22:48.879 --> 02:22:51.920
wrestler and their finishing holes in their personality, as opposed
2846
02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:54.079
to you know, fifty to fifty booking. We've got to
2847
02:22:54.120 --> 02:22:56.719
go eight to eleven minutes all the time or people
2848
02:22:56.760 --> 02:22:58.680
will be mad because it's a squash. I thought the
2849
02:22:59.000 --> 02:23:03.719
cadence of everything was just a rokend variety, video packages, promos, wrestling,
2850
02:23:03.799 --> 02:23:05.040
long matches, short matches, medium.
2851
02:23:06.440 --> 02:23:06.600
Yeah.
2852
02:23:06.600 --> 02:23:08.879
I mean in terms of the sheer number of matches,
2853
02:23:08.920 --> 02:23:11.360
they only had six tonight. I think they normally might
2854
02:23:11.479 --> 02:23:15.159
have seven or eight, and two of those were squashes. Yeah,
2855
02:23:15.399 --> 02:23:18.440
So I mean it really only had four, you know,
2856
02:23:18.520 --> 02:23:21.239
one with the opening match and the closing match were
2857
02:23:21.319 --> 02:23:26.840
long matches. I think if you were I don't think
2858
02:23:26.879 --> 02:23:28.719
it's a good idea for aw de vere in the
2859
02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:32.079
other direction where they used to not have enough promos
2860
02:23:32.159 --> 02:23:35.440
for fear of people turning the channel. You know, you
2861
02:23:35.479 --> 02:23:37.040
don't want to just you don't want to be NWA
2862
02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:39.479
power right, I mean, have Nick all just come out
2863
02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:40.159
three times.
2864
02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:41.000
In an hour and give.
2865
02:23:42.520 --> 02:23:47.760
Varying degrees in the same promo. But you know, I
2866
02:23:47.799 --> 02:23:50.879
think if they wanted to move toward a mix, tonight
2867
02:23:50.959 --> 02:23:53.920
was a good first step in striking a balance that way.
2868
02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:59.399
Yeah, yep, all right. In a larger sense, setting aside
2869
02:23:59.440 --> 02:24:02.239
Joe's besion pacifix that he liked or didn't like, was
2870
02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:04.719
this a good introductory show for people who haven't been
2871
02:24:04.799 --> 02:24:07.120
watching and did it feel like it had its eye
2872
02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:08.879
on the idea that we might have two three hundred
2873
02:24:08.879 --> 02:24:11.879
thousand people watching us normally don't or at least a
2874
02:24:11.959 --> 02:24:14.239
good chunk of them don't watch US live, and we
2875
02:24:14.360 --> 02:24:15.879
want to get them in a habit of watching US live.
2876
02:24:17.079 --> 02:24:19.000
Yeah, I mean, I think I said before. They had
2877
02:24:19.520 --> 02:24:23.280
two recognizable names. You know, they had Matt Hardy and
2878
02:24:23.280 --> 02:24:25.920
they had Jericho. So if you didn't know that much
2879
02:24:25.959 --> 02:24:28.200
about wrestling, you knew these two guys were on the show.
2880
02:24:28.239 --> 02:24:31.399
So that Christian, Yeah, Christian, So that could those could
2881
02:24:31.399 --> 02:24:33.799
be drawing points for you over.
2882
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:35.719
Now, there was another promo on the list of promos,
2883
02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:37.120
So if we're going to add to our case, there
2884
02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:38.239
was a lot of promos on this one.
2885
02:24:38.879 --> 02:24:41.159
I forgot about that one. He sort of buried Kip
2886
02:24:41.239 --> 02:24:42.879
Sabian in his promos.
2887
02:24:43.120 --> 02:24:43.559
That's weird.
2888
02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:47.520
I don't think that's the bigger loss there is Penelope
2889
02:24:47.600 --> 02:24:50.280
for disappearing from television, not Kip Sabian, who's always just
2890
02:24:50.360 --> 02:24:51.000
kind of been met.
2891
02:24:52.760 --> 02:24:55.079
I think. I think.
2892
02:24:55.239 --> 02:24:57.680
Yes, it was a good introductory show because they did
2893
02:24:57.760 --> 02:25:02.159
more video packages. So if you missed last week's show,
2894
02:25:02.360 --> 02:25:04.120
and a lot of people did, as it turns out,
2895
02:25:04.200 --> 02:25:07.079
at least on the same night, would you say six
2896
02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:11.639
underdy eight, six hundred eighty eight thousand, Yeah, you got
2897
02:25:12.760 --> 02:25:14.840
you got a little bit of understanding before each match,
2898
02:25:15.159 --> 02:25:17.360
what set up the match, what the match was about, right,
2899
02:25:17.479 --> 02:25:18.639
So you weren't going in cold.
2900
02:25:19.280 --> 02:25:22.959
Yeah? Yeah. I mean just the number of viewers from
2901
02:25:23.079 --> 02:25:25.760
January sixth through Feb twenty four, before the Shack appearance,
2902
02:25:25.760 --> 02:25:28.360
the average number of seven seventy one. They were down,
2903
02:25:29.079 --> 02:25:31.239
you know, eighty one thousand last week from what the
2904
02:25:31.319 --> 02:25:34.600
average was before the Shack match. And it's not devastating,
2905
02:25:34.680 --> 02:25:37.000
but that's that's more than ten percent, you know, I mean,
2906
02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:40.920
that's it's it's something so having a show that welcomes
2907
02:25:40.959 --> 02:25:43.399
them back instead of making them feel lost is a positive?
2908
02:25:44.040 --> 02:25:48.159
Is a point I'm making, all right, So let's go
2909
02:25:48.280 --> 02:25:50.360
to JV from Detroit. I think it's say the Bucks
2910
02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:52.200
have finally settled on a heel roll. That being said,
2911
02:25:52.239 --> 02:25:55.000
the unmasking spot with Ray Phoenix needed to be explained
2912
02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:56.719
a little bit better to night. In my opinion, is
2913
02:25:56.799 --> 02:25:59.639
Phoenix completely incapable of wrestling without his mask? Is it
2914
02:25:59.760 --> 02:26:02.159
like Samson losing his hair? I get that in Lucha
2915
02:26:02.200 --> 02:26:05.079
liber wrestling the mask is sacred, but I think they
2916
02:26:05.120 --> 02:26:06.520
need to do a better job explaining to that on
2917
02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:08.840
Dynamite if they're going to use a spot like that.
2918
02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:11.520
As always loved the show in go VIP, Yeah, that
2919
02:26:11.639 --> 02:26:14.760
felt like we want to protect Phoenix, so we're going
2920
02:26:14.799 --> 02:26:17.920
to have him cover his face because covering his face
2921
02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:20.520
is more important than protecting himself from being blindsided by
2922
02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:23.840
a superkick and losing a match. If that's your finish,
2923
02:26:23.879 --> 02:26:27.399
you better make sure people understand why he's so that
2924
02:26:27.479 --> 02:26:30.120
he'd be willing to be kicked in the face or
2925
02:26:30.159 --> 02:26:32.360
kicked in the hands covering his face and lose a match.
2926
02:26:32.399 --> 02:26:34.879
He just spent twenty some minutes trying to win because
2927
02:26:34.879 --> 02:26:37.680
he's so scared to do what everyone accepting this caliber does.
2928
02:26:40.159 --> 02:26:44.040
Yeah, I that stuck out to me too as well.
2929
02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:47.319
I'm like, I know the finish of this is Pak
2930
02:26:47.440 --> 02:26:51.399
doesn't job and Phoenix does job, and how are they
2931
02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:52.680
going to do it? And they went to the sort
2932
02:26:52.719 --> 02:26:55.760
of cheapest way possible to protect him. I think this
2933
02:26:55.920 --> 02:26:59.280
is the second time they've done this finish now. I
2934
02:26:59.360 --> 02:27:01.879
can't remember if it was Phoenix or Penta who had
2935
02:27:01.920 --> 02:27:03.920
their mask yanked off and it caused them to lose
2936
02:27:03.959 --> 02:27:08.239
a key match, probably sometime in the last six months
2937
02:27:08.319 --> 02:27:11.040
of twenty twenty. So that's a well you don't want
2938
02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:15.319
to go to too often. It doesn't bother me as
2939
02:27:15.399 --> 02:27:17.680
much because I understand why, but I could see if
2940
02:27:17.719 --> 02:27:19.440
you were a new viewer you'd want to more of
2941
02:27:19.440 --> 02:27:20.399
an explanation on that.
2942
02:27:20.719 --> 02:27:22.760
And even if you know why, it doesn't mean you're
2943
02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:24.799
not allowed to say, boy, that's really dumb. I invested
2944
02:27:24.840 --> 02:27:26.840
in a match rooted for one one team to beat
2945
02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:29.239
another team, and the guy was so willing to hide
2946
02:27:29.360 --> 02:27:31.760
that he cared. So I cared about him winning the
2947
02:27:31.799 --> 02:27:33.719
match more than he did because he was willing to
2948
02:27:33.760 --> 02:27:36.000
get kicked in the face and lose to protect his
2949
02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:38.760
face being shown. I mean, you really culturally need to
2950
02:27:38.799 --> 02:27:41.559
make that matter without insulting the viewers who were rooting
2951
02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:43.120
for this guy. I mean, if I'm rooting for my
2952
02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:47.159
hockey team to win, and I in its overtime and
2953
02:27:47.239 --> 02:27:49.399
a guy drops his glove and now all of a
2954
02:27:49.440 --> 02:27:51.159
sudden he just stops playing because he has to go
2955
02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:53.639
grab his glove, and the other team scores in overtime
2956
02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:56.040
to win, Culturally, that better makes sense to me, or
2957
02:27:56.079 --> 02:27:57.479
I'm going to be pissed off that I invested in
2958
02:27:57.559 --> 02:27:57.879
that game.
2959
02:27:59.760 --> 02:28:04.600
I mean, so ex Caliber spends longer than five seconds
2960
02:28:04.639 --> 02:28:06.719
explaining it and Jim Ross cuts him off and does
2961
02:28:06.799 --> 02:28:08.120
some cranky old man thing.
2962
02:28:08.600 --> 02:28:10.040
You know, Well, I don't know, yeah, I mean, the
2963
02:28:10.120 --> 02:28:12.040
question is is that part of the of a wrestling
2964
02:28:12.079 --> 02:28:13.959
culture if that is, is that part of the wrestling
2965
02:28:14.040 --> 02:28:17.959
culture from another country that you want to bring into
2966
02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:19.959
the AEW universe?
2967
02:28:20.399 --> 02:28:21.159
Is that is?
2968
02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:24.000
And if you do, then if you're going to bring
2969
02:28:24.079 --> 02:28:25.879
that in, it doesn't make sense on the face of it,
2970
02:28:26.040 --> 02:28:28.719
so you really no pun intended. So you really need
2971
02:28:28.799 --> 02:28:31.280
to then invest in explaining it. And that's sort of
2972
02:28:31.319 --> 02:28:34.319
the criticism I think of AW sometimes is they cater
2973
02:28:34.479 --> 02:28:38.239
to people who have a doctorate in international wrestling, and oh,
2974
02:28:38.280 --> 02:28:40.239
it's a trio smatch, not a six man match, aren't
2975
02:28:40.239 --> 02:28:43.239
we special? Like, just create your own world and make
2976
02:28:43.280 --> 02:28:46.520
sure that if you whatever your whatever your structure is,
2977
02:28:46.600 --> 02:28:49.479
and whatever the rules that guide wrestlers are is, you've
2978
02:28:49.520 --> 02:28:51.920
got to introduce that to the people on TNT who
2979
02:28:52.040 --> 02:28:55.920
haven't been studying international wrestling culture. And you can argue
2980
02:28:55.920 --> 02:28:57.760
they've done enough by having a caliber say it and
2981
02:28:57.799 --> 02:29:00.719
Jim Russ cut him off. But you know, and maybe
2982
02:29:00.760 --> 02:29:03.799
it's just a necessary evil in some cases that you
2983
02:29:03.920 --> 02:29:07.920
can't catch people up on a century of history on everything,
2984
02:29:08.360 --> 02:29:11.520
but then do a straight finish, you know, instead of
2985
02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:14.040
instead of making Ray Phoenix look bad for not caring
2986
02:29:14.079 --> 02:29:15.639
enough about a match to win it because he's worried
2987
02:29:15.639 --> 02:29:18.360
about his face and not having explained it to the audience,
2988
02:29:18.440 --> 02:29:19.079
just to have him lose.
2989
02:29:22.040 --> 02:29:26.479
Yeah, I mean they need, you know, Unlike WWE, they
2990
02:29:27.520 --> 02:29:31.639
aw has if not all cleaned finishes. They have every
2991
02:29:31.680 --> 02:29:33.719
match as I finish, right, somebody's eating a pin or
2992
02:29:33.760 --> 02:29:35.920
submitting at the end of it. For the most part,
2993
02:29:36.000 --> 02:29:38.559
I mean, ninety nine percent of the match is probably
2994
02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:43.280
so far and you want to protect people still and
2995
02:29:43.360 --> 02:29:45.760
you want to get a little creative and you know
2996
02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:48.399
they've done it twice now, so how about a moratorium
2997
02:29:48.479 --> 02:29:51.559
on ripping off the mask for the rest of the
2998
02:29:51.639 --> 02:29:52.159
year at least.
2999
02:29:52.719 --> 02:29:55.440
Yeah, And I and my issue is just how many
3000
02:29:55.479 --> 02:29:58.680
people watching go I invested in Ray and Pock winning
3001
02:29:58.920 --> 02:30:00.959
and they didn't care about winning more than he cared
3002
02:30:00.959 --> 02:30:03.280
about protecting his face. And I don't get why. Like,
3003
02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:05.360
I just think they need to understand there's a lot
3004
02:30:05.360 --> 02:30:07.879
of people watching who think that it's a fair point.
3005
02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:13.239
Yeah, we have a lot to say about Aw'm Brian
3006
02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:15.840
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02:30:15.879 --> 02:30:18.879
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All right up next to James and Clemson says I
3036
02:31:37.600 --> 02:31:39.760
think I figured out what to do with Jake Cargill, Eric,
3037
02:31:39.840 --> 02:31:41.760
what would you do with Jake Cargill? Before I read
3038
02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:44.559
his idea, I'd.
3039
02:31:46.799 --> 02:31:50.520
Send her back to the training center and give her
3040
02:31:50.760 --> 02:31:54.239
six to nine more months of seasoning under the tutelage
3041
02:31:54.399 --> 02:31:57.559
of Dustin Rhodes before I gave her the big Bush
3042
02:31:57.639 --> 02:31:58.040
Hunt TV.
3043
02:31:58.440 --> 02:32:01.719
Yeah, so he's what's her biggest problem? She show votes
3044
02:32:01.760 --> 02:32:03.840
too much? What if Jade was pushed in a more
3045
02:32:04.120 --> 02:32:06.479
Goldberg manner with less show voting and more just ass
3046
02:32:06.600 --> 02:32:11.719
kicking in short timeframes. What do you guys think? And ps?
3047
02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:13.479
Sorry about this way, but I'd like to nominate Todd
3048
02:32:13.520 --> 02:32:14.959
Martin to be the other voice in the booking room.
3049
02:32:15.000 --> 02:32:15.760
The guy's money.
3050
02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:19.200
Uh, no doubts there.
3051
02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:24.280
Yeah, so what uh with with Jade? I mean that's
3052
02:32:24.479 --> 02:32:26.399
you know, the praise that she's received for some of
3053
02:32:26.440 --> 02:32:28.159
the stuff that she's done, I think is deserved and
3054
02:32:28.200 --> 02:32:29.879
I think it come with me. It comes with the
3055
02:32:29.959 --> 02:32:32.760
qualification of she better keep learning, you know, like I
3056
02:32:32.799 --> 02:32:35.079
don't want this to be Oh, I've made it. Look
3057
02:32:35.120 --> 02:32:37.360
at me. I stand out when I walk around the
3058
02:32:37.399 --> 02:32:38.760
locker room. I'm clearly you know, I have it go
3059
02:32:38.879 --> 02:32:40.799
to her head and like like, have the TV hype
3060
02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:42.760
go to her head in the sense that you've still
3061
02:32:42.799 --> 02:32:44.799
got to earn it. I mean, Biacapelle Air is facing that.
3062
02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:47.559
You know, she's a star and she's been great, but
3063
02:32:48.120 --> 02:32:50.520
you know, there's a whole locker room full of women
3064
02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:52.120
who are like, all right, but you got to keep
3065
02:32:52.200 --> 02:32:55.079
getting better because they really have paved the way for her. So,
3066
02:32:55.479 --> 02:32:58.680
you know, on a metal level, Jade and a storyline level,
3067
02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:00.719
you know, Jade's got to continue to Sean prouveman or
3068
02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:03.000
the fans will we'll turn on her because they're going
3069
02:33:03.040 --> 02:33:04.920
to be looking at her with suspicion that she's getting
3070
02:33:04.959 --> 02:33:08.559
a push because of the physical appearance. And aw fans
3071
02:33:08.760 --> 02:33:09.760
especially want more than that.
3072
02:33:11.319 --> 02:33:13.200
Yeah, I mean they have tried to. They gave her
3073
02:33:13.239 --> 02:33:16.920
some pre taped promo time, which, given her level of experience,
3074
02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:19.000
as the way to go. What was her catchphrase, I'm
3075
02:33:19.079 --> 02:33:22.200
that bitch, I think and you know, I mean I
3076
02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:26.680
think that works for her and her persona and culturally
3077
02:33:26.760 --> 02:33:30.399
it works for her. Bill Goldberg, it's not like he
3078
02:33:30.559 --> 02:33:33.719
started out as Bill Goldberg all caps. He had to
3079
02:33:34.680 --> 02:33:36.680
find you know, they had to figure out what works,
3080
02:33:36.719 --> 02:33:38.840
and they then they remembered, oh my god, hey, you
3081
02:33:38.879 --> 02:33:42.040
know somebody noticed, maybe it was Mike today. Hey, you
3082
02:33:42.079 --> 02:33:44.120
know he's got a winning streak going here. Why don't
3083
02:33:44.120 --> 02:33:45.559
we make that a part of his thing and just
3084
02:33:45.600 --> 02:33:49.959
have to squash everybody and keep it going. And it worked,
3085
02:33:49.959 --> 02:33:53.280
It got over huge. Right, he can still make appearances today.
3086
02:33:53.360 --> 02:33:54.799
But it would have been good if along the way
3087
02:33:54.879 --> 02:33:57.200
he was secretly becoming a good wrestler and a good promo.
3088
02:33:58.319 --> 02:33:58.559
Yeah.
3089
02:33:58.639 --> 02:34:02.639
I mean, I think WCW in the late nineties was
3090
02:34:02.719 --> 02:34:04.799
not exactly the most conducive workplace.
3091
02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:07.319
That you weren't really being incentivized to become a.
3092
02:34:07.360 --> 02:34:10.799
Five star Goldberg there, right, No, you were just trying
3093
02:34:10.799 --> 02:34:13.760
to keep your spot so that Kevin Nash Scott Hall
3094
02:34:13.760 --> 02:34:16.680
doesn't end up tasering you and Kevin Nash wins the title.
3095
02:34:16.440 --> 02:34:18.840
From you ending your streak. Oh wait, that actually happened.
3096
02:34:18.959 --> 02:34:22.399
Yeah, all right, there's a rabbit hole we can go on.
3097
02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:24.840
Zach and Texas is up next. This was a really
3098
02:34:24.879 --> 02:34:27.520
good episode of Dynamite, book ended by absolute bangers The
3099
02:34:27.559 --> 02:34:31.719
Bucks and Try Ain't Try, Yes to do this? Doesn't he?
3100
02:34:31.799 --> 02:34:34.719
Triangular Dala maryer Tay tried to murder each other in
3101
02:34:34.799 --> 02:34:36.920
the ring, and then Darby and Matt Hardy tried to
3102
02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:40.280
kill each other everywhere else. Lord, that coffin drop was insane.
3103
02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:42.440
Darby is a mad man and I love him for it.
3104
02:34:42.680 --> 02:34:45.680
I also love the debut of Anthony O. Gogo The
3105
02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:49.360
One Hitter quitter liver punch was a unique finish and
3106
02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:51.799
the ref stoppage was a nice touch. No, it wasn't
3107
02:34:52.120 --> 02:34:54.200
speaking of the good punch, speaking of a good punches.
3108
02:34:54.440 --> 02:34:57.920
Mike Tyson's hands are still frighteningly fast. Cash never saw
3109
02:34:57.959 --> 02:35:00.840
that coming. Not to leave the women out. Jay Cargill
3110
02:35:00.959 --> 02:35:03.000
is way better than she has and any business being
3111
02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:04.959
four matches into her career. There might be truth to that,
3112
02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:07.440
by the way, but it is still four matches and
3113
02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:09.239
you have to get much much better before usually you
3114
02:35:09.280 --> 02:35:12.040
get TV time. Chris stat Leonard didn't look like she
3115
02:35:12.120 --> 02:35:14.079
missed a beat on her return other than the last
3116
02:35:14.079 --> 02:35:17.959
two moves, And I'm sorry, Zach, I'm totally totally can't
3117
02:35:18.000 --> 02:35:20.799
help myself here. But most importantly, though, it looks like
3118
02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:23.399
we're finally working toward a Britt Baker title match, and
3119
02:35:23.479 --> 02:35:25.799
that's a good thing. I agree it's time to put
3120
02:35:25.840 --> 02:35:27.680
the strap on her. It's amazing how much the aw
3121
02:35:27.840 --> 02:35:30.000
women's division has turned around in the last three or.
3122
02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:38.479
Four months, going from abysmal two maybe semi passable.
3123
02:35:39.000 --> 02:35:39.799
That is progress.
3124
02:35:40.399 --> 02:35:43.799
It's all all how your matter of perspective. Do you
3125
02:35:43.879 --> 02:35:46.559
know who would not have struggled to pronounce the death
3126
02:35:46.639 --> 02:35:48.280
triangle name I do Todd Martin.
3127
02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:50.040
Yes, he would have nailed.
3128
02:35:49.879 --> 02:35:53.440
Them because he had a mean Spanish teacher and I
3129
02:35:53.520 --> 02:35:56.559
didn't take Spanish ever, and that Spanish teacher taught him
3130
02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:59.360
how to speak Spanish and he's very good at it.
3131
02:36:01.399 --> 02:36:01.600
Yeah.
3132
02:36:01.600 --> 02:36:03.479
I took French four years, which was one of the
3133
02:36:03.520 --> 02:36:04.840
dumber decisions I've ever made.
3134
02:36:05.879 --> 02:36:10.000
I bet it helped your brain though, Uh sure, I
3135
02:36:10.040 --> 02:36:11.840
mean that's I mean, you know, you can learn math
3136
02:36:11.920 --> 02:36:14.520
and never apply that math. But it it's like you know,
3137
02:36:14.799 --> 02:36:16.639
lifting weights. You're never gonna actually do that movement in
3138
02:36:16.719 --> 02:36:20.239
real life, and it makes your muscle stronger. I think
3139
02:36:20.280 --> 02:36:22.159
you're smart because you took French. I think it's one
3140
02:36:22.159 --> 02:36:22.520
of the reasons.
3141
02:36:22.879 --> 02:36:25.159
Thank you, thank you. I assume you took French to them.
3142
02:36:25.239 --> 02:36:27.319
No, I took no foreign languages, and I think I
3143
02:36:27.440 --> 02:36:28.159
would have benefited.
3144
02:36:29.479 --> 02:36:32.479
Wow, you would think McAllister would have made you take
3145
02:36:32.879 --> 02:36:35.319
some foreign language, just you know, as a better of
3146
02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:36.280
course or high school.
3147
02:36:36.280 --> 02:36:38.799
Well you would think so somehow. I know I took
3148
02:36:38.920 --> 02:36:41.479
I took computer programming at a time when that was
3149
02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:42.719
the option. Or foreign language.
3150
02:36:43.600 --> 02:36:48.079
Okay, if I learned Spanish, I'd be able to converse
3151
02:36:48.120 --> 02:36:50.879
with more people in my everyday life than I presently
3152
02:36:50.879 --> 02:36:51.399
I am able to.
3153
02:36:51.520 --> 02:36:54.479
So anyway, let's.
3154
02:36:55.399 --> 02:36:58.959
Yeah John and Tennessee. Overall, I enjoyed this episode of Dynamite,
3155
02:36:59.000 --> 02:37:01.239
but the main event was a may. First off, Matt
3156
02:37:01.239 --> 02:37:03.159
Hardy shouldn't be challenging for titles or working one on
3157
02:37:03.239 --> 02:37:05.239
one matches anymore. His best days are past him, and
3158
02:37:05.520 --> 02:37:07.719
having a main event on a show makes AB look
3159
02:37:07.920 --> 02:37:10.239
like an off brand version of ABO B. Secondly, I'm
3160
02:37:10.239 --> 02:37:11.959
all for using a big roster, but these lower card
3161
02:37:12.040 --> 02:37:14.959
faction brawls each week must stop. Finally, is there any
3162
02:37:15.000 --> 02:37:17.840
word on the second AW show They could really use
3163
02:37:17.879 --> 02:37:19.600
one as a lot of the talent are getting lost
3164
02:37:19.639 --> 02:37:21.799
in the shuffle. Well though would be mid carters like Hardy,
3165
02:37:22.200 --> 02:37:25.079
Mirro and Christian are taking up TV time. Whoa, those
3166
02:37:25.120 --> 02:37:29.200
are shots fired. Mirro and Christian are mid carters. Thanks
3167
02:37:29.239 --> 02:37:31.719
for all the great content everyone goes VIP. I do
3168
02:37:31.879 --> 02:37:33.920
not think Miro and Christian are perceived as mid carters.
3169
02:37:33.959 --> 02:37:36.680
I mean, Christian is, you know, top of the second
3170
02:37:36.719 --> 02:37:39.719
tier that's not mid card, and Mirro is a guy
3171
02:37:39.799 --> 02:37:43.159
with a lot under push that people perceive deserved better
3172
02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:47.239
than a god. I wouldn't say they're defined as mid carters.
3173
02:37:47.280 --> 02:37:50.520
I think DL Szegler is probably like the standard for like,
3174
02:37:50.920 --> 02:37:52.639
you know, the border of being mid carter or not.
3175
02:37:55.719 --> 02:38:03.000
Just about everybody in w W isn't looking w A
3176
02:38:03.319 --> 02:38:08.159
W doesn't tend to do that, you know. I think
3177
02:38:09.360 --> 02:38:12.479
Matt Hardy's shelf life has is a lot shorter than
3178
02:38:12.520 --> 02:38:19.079
I thought it would be. Or yeah an aw, yeah,
3179
02:38:19.200 --> 02:38:21.959
but just in aw, Like I don't want to say
3180
02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:25.799
he's sort of used up at this point thirteen months
3181
02:38:25.840 --> 02:38:29.000
into his tenure, but man, he's had lots of resets
3182
02:38:29.040 --> 02:38:30.799
and gimmick changes and and.
3183
02:38:32.639 --> 02:38:34.799
You know, I don't know, he just he doesn't.
3184
02:38:35.319 --> 02:38:39.879
He is tonight like his last high big you know,
3185
02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:44.440
TV main event to see, barring some another changing character,
3186
02:38:44.600 --> 02:38:47.879
it when you lose the TV title, the secondary belt match,
3187
02:38:48.959 --> 02:38:52.040
and I don't think he's ever gotten the world title match. Uh,
3188
02:38:52.920 --> 02:38:54.680
you know, he just seems like he hit a ceiling
3189
02:38:54.799 --> 02:38:57.399
and is maybe destined to play out the string a
3190
02:38:57.440 --> 02:38:57.799
little bit.
3191
02:38:58.600 --> 02:38:58.799
Yeah.
3192
02:38:58.879 --> 02:39:01.360
I mean, I'm fine for him having a hardcore match
3193
02:39:01.600 --> 02:39:06.040
every now and then, and I think that's probably the
3194
02:39:06.120 --> 02:39:09.120
main area he can contribute in ring. I think having
3195
02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:11.440
him talk and keep a gimmick for a year and
3196
02:39:11.440 --> 02:39:15.079
a half, like, let's let's just stick with this. I
3197
02:39:15.159 --> 02:39:17.440
think he's smarty and and I think he plays the
3198
02:39:17.520 --> 02:39:21.600
role well of the of the agent advisor who's trying
3199
02:39:21.639 --> 02:39:25.159
to take advantage of younger wrestlers and you know, Ken
3200
02:39:25.280 --> 02:39:27.239
gives can help them, but at the same time is
3201
02:39:27.840 --> 02:39:30.440
acting like it's more altruistic than it is. I think
3202
02:39:30.479 --> 02:39:32.239
there's something in that. I don't have a problem with
3203
02:39:32.280 --> 02:39:34.520
Matt's current character, and I don't have a problem with
3204
02:39:34.600 --> 02:39:36.600
him headlining a T and T title match. I just
3205
02:39:36.840 --> 02:39:40.520
it's a secondary title and Darby one, and I think
3206
02:39:40.600 --> 02:39:43.159
Darby should defend the title enough that Matt Hardy by
3207
02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:45.040
necessity needs to be in the mix because there's only
3208
02:39:45.079 --> 02:39:47.159
so many people you can main event a TV show
3209
02:39:47.200 --> 02:39:48.680
with in a T and T title match on that
3210
02:39:48.840 --> 02:39:52.799
roster who can lose clean to Derby? So I'm fine
3211
02:39:52.840 --> 02:39:54.680
with it. I mean, it'd be you know. I mean,
3212
02:39:54.719 --> 02:39:57.200
I I don't blame anyone for you know, being over
3213
02:39:57.239 --> 02:39:59.040
Matt Hardy and being ready to move on. But I
3214
02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:01.200
don't think he's in anyway like I don't think anyon
3215
02:40:01.200 --> 02:40:02.879
would watch aw and gold Well. This guy must have
3216
02:40:02.920 --> 02:40:05.280
booking power because he's over pushing himself. I just think
3217
02:40:05.559 --> 02:40:07.120
you could say that about a lot of talent, that
3218
02:40:07.479 --> 02:40:09.799
maybe you push other people instead. But it's not like
3219
02:40:09.879 --> 02:40:11.120
he's a dominant figure on the show.
3220
02:40:12.319 --> 02:40:14.239
Yeah, I mean, I guess I figured he'd be more.
3221
02:40:15.239 --> 02:40:17.079
I thought he'd be more of a top tier guy
3222
02:40:17.479 --> 02:40:19.079
given how he came in.
3223
02:40:20.079 --> 02:40:22.120
Yeah, I did, and.
3224
02:40:24.159 --> 02:40:26.319
He You know, I guess you could make the argument
3225
02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:29.319
that he's being used perfectly now because he's putting over
3226
02:40:30.079 --> 02:40:32.719
Hangman Page and Darby Allen in his last two high
3227
02:40:32.760 --> 02:40:35.000
profile matches, which is exactly what you want him to
3228
02:40:35.079 --> 02:40:36.479
be doing at this point in his career.
3229
02:40:36.600 --> 02:40:38.719
Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, I'm I think this is
3230
02:40:38.760 --> 02:40:40.680
a good use of him. All right, Kevin in North
3231
02:40:40.680 --> 02:40:44.440
Carolina got to have dangly bits to be part of
3232
02:40:44.479 --> 02:40:47.079
the elite Gallas and Anderson seemed to be lacking then
3233
02:40:47.559 --> 02:40:50.360
just awful. Kenny is much funnier in his own mind
3234
02:40:50.559 --> 02:40:53.399
than he actually is. What a goofball group. I miss
3235
02:40:53.479 --> 02:40:55.760
John Moxley as a champ. At least he took it seriously.
3236
02:40:56.520 --> 02:41:00.239
I do agree with the statement Kenny as much here
3237
02:41:00.280 --> 02:41:02.639
in his own mind than he actually is now. Humor
3238
02:41:02.760 --> 02:41:06.760
is in the eye of beholder It's subjective, but Eric
3239
02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:13.079
Kenny is not a top tier money drawing heel world
3240
02:41:13.159 --> 02:41:16.479
champion act. There are slices in there that if they
3241
02:41:16.559 --> 02:41:19.559
were expanded and others were reduced, were in business, but
3242
02:41:19.760 --> 02:41:21.879
that discipline and self awareness is not there.
3243
02:41:24.600 --> 02:41:29.399
Yeah, Kenny Omega, I don't want to say has a
3244
02:41:29.440 --> 02:41:33.639
lifetime pass with me because of the third Omega Ocada match.
3245
02:41:33.959 --> 02:41:36.639
That is my favorite wrestling match of all time. I
3246
02:41:36.920 --> 02:41:40.399
just love it and was edge of my seat for
3247
02:41:40.799 --> 02:41:43.879
the full seventy minutes during it, and it's one of
3248
02:41:43.920 --> 02:41:46.760
the things that sort of cemented my desire to, like,
3249
02:41:47.000 --> 02:41:49.959
you know, watch pro wrestling on a regular basis again.
3250
02:41:51.000 --> 02:41:54.120
But yeah, I mean he's been disappointing.
3251
02:41:53.639 --> 02:41:57.000
And frustrating in aew and he's very thin skinned about
3252
02:41:57.000 --> 02:41:57.639
the criticism.
3253
02:41:57.799 --> 02:41:57.959
Right.
3254
02:41:58.239 --> 02:42:01.520
Every time he needs to get over and explain why
3255
02:42:01.600 --> 02:42:03.799
something was done, he goes to his kind of house
3256
02:42:03.920 --> 02:42:06.079
organ It's Sports Illustrated, and gets that guy to run
3257
02:42:06.120 --> 02:42:10.600
a glowing long profile of him and where he's at
3258
02:42:10.719 --> 02:42:16.000
and his artistry. I you know, there's you could still
3259
02:42:16.079 --> 02:42:20.520
salvage Anny Omega, the Good Brothers. I just there may
3260
02:42:20.600 --> 02:42:22.120
not be an act in wrestling I hate more than
3261
02:42:22.159 --> 02:42:23.159
the Good Brothers.
3262
02:42:24.399 --> 02:42:25.920
At this point in time.
3263
02:42:26.200 --> 02:42:30.239
Like, I'd rather watch a Yano Cult Cabana match than
3264
02:42:30.520 --> 02:42:33.680
hear the Good Brothers do their stupid dick jokes every week.
3265
02:42:33.799 --> 02:42:36.360
And if you watch BTE like I do while you're
3266
02:42:36.399 --> 02:42:40.000
having lunch every Monday, it's about fifty times worse on
3267
02:42:40.120 --> 02:42:41.799
there because they just run them up with the dick
3268
02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:45.680
jokes and it's obnoxious, it's juvenile, it's not funny.
3269
02:42:47.159 --> 02:42:47.840
I don't like it.
3270
02:42:48.360 --> 02:42:48.559
Yeah.
3271
02:42:50.680 --> 02:42:52.639
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02:42:52.680 --> 02:42:56.319
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02:42:56.440 --> 02:43:00.600
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02:43:03.200 --> 02:43:05.440
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02:43:05.520 --> 02:43:08.680
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3288
02:43:44.920 --> 02:43:48.479
Shae from New York City, Jade and Red Velvet was
3289
02:43:48.520 --> 02:43:50.120
everything I was hoping it would be. I've enjoyed this
3290
02:43:50.239 --> 02:43:52.479
fewed straight through. I felt like they both had good
3291
02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:54.399
promos leading up to this match, and tonight they delivered
3292
02:43:54.399 --> 02:43:56.920
a match with intensity which fit the build. I fear
3293
02:43:56.959 --> 02:43:59.040
for whatever followed that bucks opener, but they had their
3294
02:43:59.079 --> 02:44:02.120
own hell there on excuse me. Both came out looking great.
3295
02:44:02.239 --> 02:44:04.639
Jade will probably get more praise, but both will be
3296
02:44:04.719 --> 02:44:07.760
big players in the future of the division. With stat
3297
02:44:07.840 --> 02:44:11.440
Lander's return and ty Conte's rise and brit continue to
3298
02:44:11.479 --> 02:44:13.319
be awesome, I can honestly say I enjoyed the women's
3299
02:44:13.360 --> 02:44:16.879
division now. Chida Rio Nila Rose are also nice talents.
3300
02:44:17.079 --> 02:44:19.239
Have you guys enjoyed the women's division more lately? We
3301
02:44:19.760 --> 02:44:22.040
covered that quite a bit, Eric, but do you have
3302
02:44:22.120 --> 02:44:24.239
you enjoyed it more lately than the low bar set
3303
02:44:24.399 --> 02:44:25.559
by the first year of the company.
3304
02:44:27.280 --> 02:44:32.559
I mean, sure, that's again damning with faint praise. I
3305
02:44:32.719 --> 02:44:36.000
guess I probably liked car Gill and Red Velvet more
3306
02:44:36.079 --> 02:44:38.440
than most people tonight. I've seen nothing but positive praise
3307
02:44:38.479 --> 02:44:40.680
for it, and I just thought I felt it was
3308
02:44:40.719 --> 02:44:42.920
slow paced and there's not a lot of flow. But
3309
02:44:43.040 --> 02:44:45.280
I will acknowledge they did get about the best match
3310
02:44:45.840 --> 02:44:48.479
out of each other given their relative level of experience
3311
02:44:48.879 --> 02:44:49.799
that they could tonight.
3312
02:44:50.559 --> 02:44:53.639
Yeah, yeah, And it was seven minutes with a commercial
3313
02:44:53.680 --> 02:44:57.520
break in the middle, with some action at ringside. I
3314
02:44:57.600 --> 02:45:00.680
mean it wasn't you know They're swinging each other to barricades,
3315
02:45:00.719 --> 02:45:02.600
and I mean there's you know, some people you have
3316
02:45:02.719 --> 02:45:05.159
that that level of a variety in the ring and
3317
02:45:05.200 --> 02:45:06.799
out of the ring and some big moves and it's
3318
02:45:06.840 --> 02:45:11.120
it's going to pass a bar And I'd rather they
3319
02:45:11.200 --> 02:45:13.200
do that than then go twelve minutes if they can't
3320
02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:15.959
go twelve minutes yet, you know, And so in that sense,
3321
02:45:15.959 --> 02:45:19.120
I think that was smart. H Kenny Bucks good brothers
3322
02:45:19.120 --> 02:45:21.000
and Donn are the best group of scumbags from the
3323
02:45:21.040 --> 02:45:22.959
way they dress, speak, And I'll wrestle. I love it.
3324
02:45:23.239 --> 02:45:25.159
That opening match was incredible, and the Young Bucks were
3325
02:45:25.159 --> 02:45:27.120
far more interesting in that match than I've ever seen them.
3326
02:45:27.520 --> 02:45:29.399
I agree the Book the Bucks had to pick a lane.
3327
02:45:29.520 --> 02:45:31.040
I feel like I'm a viewer that just sits back
3328
02:45:31.079 --> 02:45:33.680
and enjoys ride. Most weeks, however, even I was losing
3329
02:45:33.760 --> 02:45:36.239
my patience with the Book Bucks characters. I'm glad they
3330
02:45:36.280 --> 02:45:37.959
finally had picked a lane. Week one is a big
3331
02:45:38.000 --> 02:45:39.879
success in my opinion. So All's well.
3332
02:45:39.920 --> 02:45:45.239
That's was that you? Or was that the letters I said?
3333
02:45:45.760 --> 02:45:47.920
I said, all was well that as well as my
3334
02:45:48.120 --> 02:45:50.799
little transition to you. I know I should have changed
3335
02:45:50.799 --> 02:45:52.040
my your flourished, I got it.
3336
02:45:52.120 --> 02:45:55.000
Yeah, at this at this point, you know, I'm uh,
3337
02:45:55.120 --> 02:45:56.079
I think we're both woozy.
3338
02:45:56.200 --> 02:45:59.559
But yeah, I think.
3339
02:46:00.959 --> 02:46:03.399
The Young Bucks were good tonight and hopefully it will
3340
02:46:03.399 --> 02:46:05.719
be things to come. I wonder if you would tell
3341
02:46:05.760 --> 02:46:08.159
the story from the Young Bucks perspective, if they think
3342
02:46:08.200 --> 02:46:14.120
they've spun a master piece. Since like, was it early December,
3343
02:46:14.159 --> 02:46:19.799
December second show when Kenny Omega won the title and left,
3344
02:46:20.200 --> 02:46:23.680
and then they Kenny's going to his Maybe it was
3345
02:46:23.719 --> 02:46:27.479
even before this Kenny walked out on somebody and the
3346
02:46:27.520 --> 02:46:29.280
Bucks were chasing him out and Kenny got in a
3347
02:46:29.319 --> 02:46:30.600
limo and said you're either in you're out.
3348
02:46:30.680 --> 02:46:33.559
They didn't get in the car. Yeah, was that maybe at.
3349
02:46:33.440 --> 02:46:37.040
The September pay re view whatever it was, you know,
3350
02:46:37.360 --> 02:46:39.520
had they thought in their minds they've been spinning this
3351
02:46:39.719 --> 02:46:44.760
well you know, well honed Hamlet routine of should we
3352
02:46:44.879 --> 02:46:47.639
join Kenny or not ever since then, and we've just
3353
02:46:47.719 --> 02:46:49.719
missed out on their brilliance. I wonder if that's how
3354
02:46:49.719 --> 02:46:50.120
they view it.
3355
02:46:50.319 --> 02:46:54.440
I think there's an attitude that is prevalent with an
3356
02:46:54.440 --> 02:46:59.000
aw and people who fought over their booking that I
3357
02:46:59.159 --> 02:47:02.239
think you're just not getting it. You're not that bright,
3358
02:47:02.319 --> 02:47:04.639
you're biased, you're not paying attention if you don't see
3359
02:47:04.719 --> 02:47:08.000
the beautifully woven story that you know to me that
3360
02:47:09.120 --> 02:47:11.040
if if nobody buys your album, it's not you know,
3361
02:47:11.120 --> 02:47:13.959
it's not a commercial success. And you can say artistically
3362
02:47:14.000 --> 02:47:17.200
it went new places. But in this case, string it
3363
02:47:17.200 --> 02:47:20.479
all together and put it on YouTube like just official video.
3364
02:47:20.920 --> 02:47:26.559
Here is the entire storyline, no edits a complete Put
3365
02:47:26.600 --> 02:47:29.280
the date and everything the Bucks have done that is
3366
02:47:29.360 --> 02:47:32.159
related to this story and string it together with dates
3367
02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:34.200
on the bottom of each and let people decide for themselves.
3368
02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:36.520
Is this a hit?
3369
02:47:36.600 --> 02:47:38.719
The guy who does that stuff, the great videos that
3370
02:47:38.760 --> 02:47:40.559
they do and they run up to a pay per view.
3371
02:47:40.639 --> 02:47:41.760
Is his name Kevin Sullivan.
3372
02:47:42.200 --> 02:47:48.360
Yeah, not the not the crazy demonic heel from w
3373
02:47:48.559 --> 02:47:51.079
CW in Florida. But yeah, I mean that guy does
3374
02:47:51.159 --> 02:47:54.000
great work. If he could probably salvage this thing, if
3375
02:47:54.040 --> 02:47:55.200
they gave him enough time, and.
3376
02:47:56.520 --> 02:47:58.399
And and I'd like to see them do it. I'd
3377
02:47:58.399 --> 02:47:59.920
love to have the Bucks sit down with with Don
3378
02:48:00.079 --> 02:48:02.600
and Kenny and and even if it's a, you know,
3379
02:48:03.159 --> 02:48:06.559
a pure YouTube video type thing, they certainly have enough
3380
02:48:06.600 --> 02:48:08.360
content up there, but maybe have something that helps the
3381
02:48:08.399 --> 02:48:11.239
main product a little more. Just sit down and do
3382
02:48:11.360 --> 02:48:13.280
a segment where they go over every twist and turn
3383
02:48:13.440 --> 02:48:17.040
and and and show show you know thin it was
3384
02:48:17.079 --> 02:48:18.760
on TV already. We don't need to show you well,
3385
02:48:18.799 --> 02:48:20.799
you know, there's a lot a lot of television. Just
3386
02:48:21.040 --> 02:48:23.440
go and show us everything and tell us what your
3387
02:48:23.479 --> 02:48:25.360
mindset was and walk through it. Kind of a kind
3388
02:48:25.399 --> 02:48:27.559
of the the actors talking over, you know, in a
3389
02:48:27.639 --> 02:48:30.959
director's cut DVD extra, tell us where their mind was
3390
02:48:31.000 --> 02:48:33.159
and and even if it's retroactively making it up and
3391
02:48:33.239 --> 02:48:35.799
bsing as you go it'd be kind of fun to
3392
02:48:35.920 --> 02:48:38.079
do something like that and and you know, shut up
3393
02:48:38.120 --> 02:48:40.360
the critics by proven it was a master plan.
3394
02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:46.799
This is a complete tangent. But in it all, could
3395
02:48:46.799 --> 02:48:49.479
you imagine if Kenny Omega had actually signed with WWE
3396
02:48:49.920 --> 02:48:54.360
and did his sort of flaky Kenny routine, his dances
3397
02:48:54.399 --> 02:48:57.520
to the beat of his own routine, how that would
3398
02:48:57.520 --> 02:49:00.639
have gone over with Vince McMahon. Could you imagine he'd
3399
02:49:00.680 --> 02:49:03.600
be on a Probably I'd say he'd either be like
3400
02:49:03.719 --> 02:49:06.920
Alistair Black and just buried and forgotten, or he'd be
3401
02:49:07.040 --> 02:49:08.079
riding a scooter around.
3402
02:49:08.200 --> 02:49:12.959
Yeah, no, you wouldn't. At riddle Vince has Vince is
3403
02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:15.200
going to see something and go I don't like it.
3404
02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:17.799
Never do that again, I don't like that. That's that
3405
02:49:17.879 --> 02:49:20.239
doesn't make sense to me. It's nope, and that's it.
3406
02:49:20.559 --> 02:49:23.879
Then the whole machinery doesn't allow that to happen, and
3407
02:49:24.079 --> 02:49:26.399
there'll be they'll be producers going to Kenny, you can't
3408
02:49:26.399 --> 02:49:27.840
do that. Here's what we want you to do, and Kez,
3409
02:49:27.920 --> 02:49:29.399
I don't want to do that. And well John Moxy
3410
02:49:29.440 --> 02:49:31.040
didn't either, but he made the best of it. Until
3411
02:49:31.079 --> 02:49:32.639
your contracts up, make the best of it and then
3412
02:49:32.680 --> 02:49:33.920
he has a choice. He can make the best of
3413
02:49:33.959 --> 02:49:36.799
it or not. But there's no way Kenny is doing
3414
02:49:36.879 --> 02:49:39.040
what he's doing now in WWA.
3415
02:49:40.079 --> 02:49:42.120
No, but it would have been hilarious to see him
3416
02:49:42.200 --> 02:49:44.159
try and then get cut off with it. Just would
3417
02:49:44.159 --> 02:49:46.559
have you'd have been miserable. So he obviously made the
3418
02:49:46.639 --> 02:49:49.680
right decision for his career. But alternate universe.
3419
02:49:49.959 --> 02:49:53.280
Yeah, Okay, back to Shay he goes. My first impression
3420
02:49:53.319 --> 02:49:54.959
of Anthony A Googo is he's going to be a star.
3421
02:49:55.280 --> 02:49:57.079
I have to see more and rain I would hope so.
3422
02:49:57.440 --> 02:49:59.239
But last week's for A in his presence and in
3423
02:49:59.319 --> 02:50:02.280
his presence night was really good. Many thoughts on him, Yeah,
3424
02:50:02.319 --> 02:50:04.360
Eric I super early, but I mean he's got a presence.
3425
02:50:06.719 --> 02:50:06.959
Yeah.
3426
02:50:08.680 --> 02:50:12.120
So they the one punch thing did not come out
3427
02:50:12.159 --> 02:50:17.840
of nowhere when they did the big QT Marshall versus
3428
02:50:18.399 --> 02:50:21.000
you know Cody exhibition where they were ripping off Cibisco
3429
02:50:21.079 --> 02:50:25.399
Bruno paying homage to it a few weeks ago, two
3430
02:50:25.399 --> 02:50:27.680
weeks ago, maybe two or three weeks ago, whatever it was,
3431
02:50:28.520 --> 02:50:30.440
you know, a Go Go did lay somebody out of
3432
02:50:30.520 --> 02:50:33.559
might have you even been Cody who the next week
3433
02:50:33.600 --> 02:50:34.920
in his promo came out and said that was the
3434
02:50:34.959 --> 02:50:35.799
hardest I've ever been hit.
3435
02:50:35.840 --> 02:50:38.520
I mean, it's not like they didn't set it up.
3436
02:50:38.799 --> 02:50:40.520
I'm fine with a punch, Dott. I just don't like
3437
02:50:40.559 --> 02:50:42.000
the referee stop of the match the way he did.
3438
02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:44.840
I'm fine with people winning with one punch. I mean,
3439
02:50:44.879 --> 02:50:46.920
that's that's a fine gimmick. That's a change of pace,
3440
02:50:47.000 --> 02:50:48.959
and I mean I don't love it, but I mean,
3441
02:50:48.959 --> 02:50:50.319
if you have something in mind for it. My just
3442
02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:51.959
issue is just the referee should be consistent.
3443
02:50:53.479 --> 02:50:56.079
Yeah, I mean I think that's a I think it's
3444
02:50:56.079 --> 02:51:00.360
a hard gimmick to sell a punch, right, Like when
3445
02:51:00.399 --> 02:51:03.920
Goldberg just squashed everybody in a minute or less. He
3446
02:51:04.319 --> 02:51:06.360
just had his limited move set and that's why he
3447
02:51:06.600 --> 02:51:07.959
was booked the way he was booked, and.
3448
02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:08.520
It got over.
3449
02:51:09.639 --> 02:51:12.319
I mean with this guy that I guess raising somebody
3450
02:51:12.399 --> 02:51:15.879
up for a jackhammer and spearing them looks pretty badass,
3451
02:51:16.000 --> 02:51:18.360
right did back then, still does today.
3452
02:51:18.399 --> 02:51:21.159
I mean Roman reins and edge. You know they use
3453
02:51:21.239 --> 02:51:21.559
the spear.
3454
02:51:21.760 --> 02:51:28.000
But wrestlers get punched and slapped fifty times in a match, right,
3455
02:51:28.040 --> 02:51:30.879
It's the basic move. And so one guy's punch is
3456
02:51:30.959 --> 02:51:35.079
so great that it ends the match. That seems like
3457
02:51:35.120 --> 02:51:37.159
a tough sell and makes other guys on the roster
3458
02:51:37.959 --> 02:51:40.600
in every promotion in the world look weak, right because
3459
02:51:40.639 --> 02:51:43.559
they you know, how is it that this guy can
3460
02:51:44.280 --> 02:51:45.920
end a match with a punch but nobody else can.
3461
02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:48.799
I don't know, it just seems weird. It's different. I'll
3462
02:51:48.840 --> 02:51:50.600
need to live, you know, live with it a little more.
3463
02:51:50.600 --> 02:51:51.280
I think. Yeah.
3464
02:51:52.639 --> 02:51:54.559
She says ratings may be hurt by the Challenge season
3465
02:51:54.600 --> 02:51:56.280
finale tonight, but I hope a good number of people
3466
02:51:56.319 --> 02:51:57.520
tuned in. For many of this may have been their
3467
02:51:57.520 --> 02:52:00.440
first time watching AW in a while. We're a really
3468
02:52:00.479 --> 02:52:02.799
fun show. I needed this since I regretfully gave RAW
3469
02:52:02.799 --> 02:52:05.559
a chance after a nice media weekend and I learned
3470
02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.719
my lesson there. And then finally Javier just added this,
3471
02:52:09.840 --> 02:52:11.799
so I'll just talked about it earlier. I looked up
3472
02:52:11.799 --> 02:52:13.959
by thunder Rossa wasn't on AW after the lights out match.
3473
02:52:14.000 --> 02:52:16.000
The best I can figure is n WA Power taped
3474
02:52:16.079 --> 02:52:18.639
March twenty first through the twenty fourth. It overlapped on
3475
02:52:18.879 --> 02:52:22.639
AW show on the twenty fourth, so sometimes logistics get
3476
02:52:22.680 --> 02:52:24.719
in the way, and they just got to accept the
3477
02:52:24.760 --> 02:52:27.319
criticism that comes along from using someone who has other commitments.
3478
02:52:29.239 --> 02:52:29.440
Yeah.
3479
02:52:29.520 --> 02:52:31.360
I mean, you know, especially during the pandemic, there were
3480
02:52:31.399 --> 02:52:35.600
guys last year who just disappeared off TV in both promotions,
3481
02:52:35.719 --> 02:52:37.680
and they really weren't telling you why, but you had
3482
02:52:37.719 --> 02:52:38.799
a pretty good idea of why.
3483
02:52:39.479 --> 02:52:44.000
Yes, yes, well we'll wrap up there, Eric, long show.
3484
02:52:44.159 --> 02:52:48.319
I hope, hope everybody enjoyed it. I appreciate the caller
3485
02:52:48.360 --> 02:52:51.440
and email contributions. And I was fun talking with you
3486
02:52:51.479 --> 02:52:54.440
about aw Eric, And if people want to read more
3487
02:52:54.520 --> 02:52:57.440
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02:52:57.639 --> 02:53:00.479
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3489
02:53:01.239 --> 02:53:03.799
I'm sure they were awful. I was like eighteen or
3490
02:53:03.879 --> 02:53:05.760
nineteen or whatever. Yeah, I didn't know what I was doing.
3491
02:53:07.200 --> 02:53:07.639
But thank you.
3492
02:53:08.000 --> 02:53:10.719
Yes, go VAP just because you get there, you have
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02:53:12.920 --> 02:53:13.879
It's totally worth it.
3495
02:53:14.520 --> 02:53:16.680
Thank you. Anything else you want to plug or say,
3496
02:53:16.799 --> 02:53:17.879
Eric before we sign.
3497
02:53:17.680 --> 02:53:20.559
Off, No, but subscribe to your local newspaper.
3498
02:53:20.959 --> 02:53:23.760
Yes, that counts as that's a yes. You don't get
3499
02:53:23.799 --> 02:53:27.680
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3500
02:53:27.719 --> 02:53:28.879
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3501
02:53:28.879 --> 02:53:30.799
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3502
02:53:30.799 --> 02:53:32.399
they ask them the question or make it a comment.
3503
02:53:32.600 --> 02:53:36.239
You know, it's the old yeah, no, totally Midwestern thing. Yeah.
3504
02:53:36.520 --> 02:53:39.600
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