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Let's talk some true crime.
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True Crime.
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Garage It's been over 16 years gone by since the
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disappearance of 24-year-old Kyle Fleischman. He went missing Friday morning,
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November 9th. And the last time that we have confirmation
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that Kyle is alive and well is when he is
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seen on security camera TV outside of the Buckhead Saloon
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in Uptown Charlotte. He's leaving. He appears to be leaving.
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This is at 2.20 a.m. And we now know that
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he left his debit card and jacket behind at the bar.
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As we said in part one, this is when all
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of the mysterious stuff, everything in question starts to take
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place right at this 2.20 a.m.
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Mark.
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One thing we did discuss in part one is this verbal,
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what I've seen described as a mild verbal altercation between
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Kyle while he's at the bar and a male or two,
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or possibly three, that were not happy with him dancing
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with a female briefly at the bar. What we do
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know about those persons, and we said that we believe
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that it is four people that were all involved in
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this mild verbal altercation, as it's described, We believe it's
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four people because there is a report out there that
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says that police have interviewed those four people. And we
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don't know the details of what went on that night
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between them. We don't know the details of the questions
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that police asked these individuals. But the report is that
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they've been interviewed. And they don't seem to be persons
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of great interest to law enforcement regarding Kyle's disappearance. But
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what I will say here, Captain, is I can't say
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that they had anything to do with what happened to Kyle.
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His family says they believe he was murdered. His friends
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say they believe that he was killed that night, that
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somebody is responsible for killing him.
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Right.
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They know much more about this case than we know.
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And if that's what they are willing to tell the public,
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that seems to me, unfortunate as it is, the most
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likely possibility. So now we have to, if we're going
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to go down that road and we're going to believe
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his family and his friends, and his dad is very
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vocal about this. He says, look, I wish that the
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Charlotte Mecklenburg family Police department would be more forthcoming with
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information to me. Their response is when we get something new,
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we do inform the family. So maybe it's as simple
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as they've not gotten anything new. But his dad says
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they've not shared a lot of information with us. He's
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not convinced that they took this thing very seriously for
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the first couple of weeks. We do know that the
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family took it seriously right from Jump Street because they
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hire a private investigator. They get canine search dogs involved.
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They have volunteers that are searching for Kyle, volunteers handing
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out missing persons flyers right out the gate. A lot
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of this stuff that the family had to pay for,
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they paid for a lot of this out of their
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own pocket. So they jump into action right away. Dad says,
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tells the media several times, they've not been very forthcoming.
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It does appear that there has been a good amount
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of work behind the scenes on Kyle's case by the
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police department. But one thing his dad says is at
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some point, it was homicide investigators that were investigating Kyle's case.
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So his dad says something made it go from a
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missing persons investigation.
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To a homicide investigation.
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To a homicide investigation.
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It makes no sense to me why law enforcement wouldn't
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explain that better to the family.
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Yes, yes. And again, we could sit here and spin
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our tires all day and night on why that has
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been what it is. We just don't know. Unfortunately, like
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the family, we don't know that. Now, for me, I
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want to go down that road. As unfortunate as it is,
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I want to go down that road. Because to be
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honest with you, Captain, when I first started looking into this,
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I'm like, this is one of those weird scenarios where
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this young man may have just been freezing his ass off.
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He's drunk. He's tired. Look, it happens. People crawl into
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a place and decide to take a nap or crawl
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into a place hoping to get warm and succumb to
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the elements. I really thought that's what we were probably
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looking at here. I couldn't, I couldn't move past the
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idea that he had left his jacket there. And I'm
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seeing reports that it would have been 30, 32 degrees
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at that time.
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Yeah. My problem with that theory though, is it's not
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a rural area. And so there'd be plenty of places
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where he could go into. Right.
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Right. There, there was a, the one part place of
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concern was there was a heavy construction site. project going
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on in the, in an area that was in walking
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distance to where he was last seen. So there's been
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some concern that, you know, did he, did he expire
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there and nobody is responsible for his death and, and
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somehow he got, he got lost in the, lost in
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the construction.
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Yeah. It wasn't, didn't they have cadaver dogs go to
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that site?
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Yeah. So they had search and rescue dogs and, that
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were brought in, again, they were brought in by the
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family and they took them to this area. Those dogs
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also went to a nearby park. What I'm saying to
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you and everybody else out there in listener land, it
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was only after hearing the family and friends and then
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police as well say, we don't think he had any
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reason to walk away. Reading their words, listening to their words, dad, uncle,
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best friend.
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Yeah.
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Very quickly convinced me if they're all saying murder, that's
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what it's gotta be. So that's where I'm at now.
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with looking at this case. And if, if going down
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that road, it seems to me like we only have
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a few, a handful of possibilities that something happened, something
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directly related to one of these locations has everything to
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do with his murder. Could be the bar. We know
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he was there. Could be fuel pizza. A lot of
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people have a lot of speculation and suspicions about fuel pizza.
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There was the park that we mentioned with the search
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and rescue dogs.
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Can we dive more into the speculation on the pizza shop?
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I mean, what would the motive be?
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Well, so what is also a little bit fascinating about
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this case is if you're going to say that it
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was somebody that he may have had some brief interaction
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with or a random person. that attempted to do something
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to Kyle and it ends in murder. The interesting part
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to me is the time frame that we're talking about here.
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Because what do we know that's happening all at the
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same time, right around the same time that Kyle is
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last seen at 2.20 a.m.? We know that all of
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those bars are closing. The pizza shop is closing at 2.30 a.m.
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So right at 2.30, what you have then going on
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in those streets at the time when this kid goes
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missing is you have the streets are filled with people
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that were either in those establishments as patrons or were
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working in those establishments, all leaving and moving about in
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this area all at the same time between 2.20 a.m.
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and 4 a.m. when his phone no longer is working
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or on or what have you.
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Right.
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So the speculation with the fuel pizza, Kyle's family says, look,
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we don't know how much weight the investigators, law enforcement investigators,
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put into looking at this pizza place and the surrounding
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businesses of that Buckhead Saloon. Of course, police investigators may
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not be of the type to tell them. But we
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do know that their private investigator says that that's where
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I would have started. You canvass the area. You go
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there and you check with all the surrounding businesses. Well,
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now you find out that he may have gone into
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this pizza place. He may have ordered some pizza. According
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to one employee, he did.
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Yeah, and that's backed up because the order seems like
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something Kyle would have ordered, at least to Kyle's father.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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Private investigator runs background checks on the individuals that were
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working there that night, as well as persons that they,
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he says associates of, but I'm guessing he would have
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had to have known the associates. And what would be
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the easiest thing to know them by is anybody that
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has a long-term relationship, be it a roommate, a girlfriend, boyfriend,
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somebody that is easy to determine from an outsider that
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this is an associate of this person. So he runs
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background checks on a lot of these individuals, and what
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he is seeing is some of them have police records.
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Some of them have violence, a history of violence, weapons charges, assaults,
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things of that nature. And so one piece of speculation
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regarding Fuel Pizza.
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Is, did....
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Somebody from the pizza shop that night see an opportunity.
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Kyle's inebriated. Maybe he's got some cash on him. He looks,
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he's looks like a young professional. Did they see an
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opportunity to, to rob him or take things off of him?
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I was looking to see, you know, was, was he
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the type to wear jewelry? It doesn't appear that, that
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he was, you know, some people, uh, wear expensive watches
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and what have you.
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To me, if, if somebody said, What does Kyle look like?
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I'd say, you know, Andy Dwyer from Parks and Rec.
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That's funny. That's, I was thinking Andy Dwyer as well.
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And the thin version of Andy Dwyer. Not the chubby,
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lovable Andy Dwyer.
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One of the things that the private investigator figured out
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as well is that one, at least one or more
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of the individuals that worked at Fuel Pizza were Lived
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in the direction of where the dogs took them.
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Well, that's fishy fish sticks.
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When the dogs were, we have to guess that they
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were following.
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Yeah.
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Kyle sent again, they can't, they can't talk. So that
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complicates things.
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Yeah. It always surprises me that the police use nonverbal
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dogs instead of verbal dogs.
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He says that he finds that that to be very interesting.
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And there, there have been individuals that have interviewed some
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of these people and And don't think that some of
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these guys are on the up and up. The father,
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his father said something that I found rather intriguing. Kyle's
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father Dick says, look, a couple of these guys, they're
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repeat offenders. They have a rap sheet. But after my
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son goes missing, all of a sudden, they're not such
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bad guys. They don't get in trouble for anything. He
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said that somebody explained to him that that doesn't seem
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to fit their pattern of their behavior for their life
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and their lifestyle. So what great thing changed for them
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to change who they are, or at least how they
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operate and live their lives? Yeah.
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It seems like we're grasping at straws.
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What we do know, too, Captain, is this is from
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law enforcement. Now, we don't know who the individual is,
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but it looks like at some point a homicide investigator
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traveled to talk to somebody that is somehow connected to
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Fuel Pizza that at the time of the interview was
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living in prison and interviewed that individual about Kyle being missing.
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That seems like to me, if that detective traveled, look,
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these departments, they, they, they run on a budget just
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like every other business out there. They don't have a
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lot of these departments do not have money to burn.
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So if it costs labor hours and travel expenses, uh,
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for this homicide detective some reports say two homicide detectives
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to go to a prison to travel out of the
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area and go to a prison to interview this person
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there must have been some you got to prove to
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the boss look there's there's enough meat on the bone
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here that we need to talk to that we need
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to sit down and officially interview this individual you have
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to justify the cost And the hours spent to do so.
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There had to be something there. To me, that seems
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like a little more than a hunch, right? You go
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knock on a door with a hunch. You get permission
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from the boss to travel and use the department's money
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to interview somebody that you can't just go and knock
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on their door.
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Okay, answer me this. Riddle me this, Batman. We have
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footage of him in the bar. We have him in...
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We have footage of him heading to the pizza shop.
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Do we have footage of him inside the pizza shop?
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And do we have footage of him leaving the pizza shop?
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Well, that's the thing. We have footage of him walking
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in the direction of the pizza shop. The problem then
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becomes we can't 100% put him in the pizza shop
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other than the person that worked there saying, yeah, I
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saw Kyle come in that night around this time, right
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before closing.
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Right.
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And remember, one of those reports is an individual saying,
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I saw him come in, but I don't recall seeing
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him leave. So let's go through this pizza shop just
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a little bit more. So what we do know about
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the pizza shop is that they would have been closing
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shortly after it's believed that Kyle was there inside the shop.
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Yeah, this is making me hungry.
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We do know that he places approximately nine calls every
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from his cellular phone between 2.19 when he first attempts
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to call his sister from the bar to 3.29 a.m. Now,
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if we are to believe those experts, those law enforcement
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people that say, look, this activity on his phone, we
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think that he might potentially be in a high distress
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level at this point, then we have to believe that
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that high distress level starts happening at This would all
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be shortly after it's believed that he was at the
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pizza shop. So 2.42 a.m. to 3.29 a.m. 45, 46,
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47 minutes. Where I go with this, if we're forced
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to go down this road of everybody believes that he
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was killed.
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It's kind of just weird to me that it's a
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true crime show and you feel like we're being forced
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to talk about a missing person case might be a
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homicide case.
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Then something had to happen at one of these key
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points here. Now, there's a park. So this park comes
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into play because the dogs do go to the park.
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The private investigator says that it's a possibility. We think
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he may have gone to the park. We don't know why.
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It was within walking distance. It's not a safe area.
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But we think that he went into the park and
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either chose to leave or something happened in the park
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and then he was moved.
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Well, they were saying, because I don't know this area well,
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but there's a lot of parts in Columbus, Ohio that, well,
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you got a nice stadium for a baseball team or
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a soccer club and a couple blocks away is not
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a great area. Right. And they're saying in this area,
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there's a lot of Drugs and a lot of gangs.
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The park is weird too because one report out there
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is that a homeless person at some point, and I
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want to be clear by saying that, at some point,
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I do not have a date for this, reported to
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law enforcement that they had witnessed Kyle being murdered, being
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killed in the park.
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Yeah, the problem also with all this stuff is these
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homeless camps or whatever you want to call them, They're
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a problem because, you know, we have individuals that, whether
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it's mental issues or drug addiction or just down on
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their luck, you know, another missing person case, the Riley
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Strand case, now they believe that he made it to
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a homeless park. or again, whatever, I don't know what
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you want to call them, but it just baffles me
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that we live in an America where we're going to
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spend millions of dollars on wars, but we can't just
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take care of some people down on their luck here
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and do something about this problem because it's becoming a
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problem everywhere. And my rant's over and never listen to
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me because I don't know what I'm talking about.
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If this report is correct, that this information was reported
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by a homeless individual to law enforcement, what we do
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know is, It was at least years ago, so it
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doesn't appear that this information led to anything. And remember,
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we said early in part one that today the reward
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is up to $ 50, 000. Is it just as simple as
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some individual came forward pretending to have information that they
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didn't really have, hoping to catch some of that reward?
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Right. And to me, it seems like if this was
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a random attack in the park, why wouldn't they just
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leave him in the park?
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Exactly. That would seem to make the most sense. And
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then And the other thing though, too, circling back to
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the interview with the individual that was in prison, again,
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they must have had something there, but let's say they
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did have something, right? That they had somebody snitching on
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somebody or they had what they thought was good information,
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good enough information to point to who did this and
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kind of what happened to Kyle that night and who's responsible.
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And that's why we need to go to this prison
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and talk to this individual. Either they're the person responsible
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or they know intimate knowledge of what happened to Kyle
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that night. Part of me also wonders, like, are we
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looking at a situation where this is a no body situation, right?
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Like you said, had he been killed by a perfect
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stranger in the park, you just leave him there. You
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leave the victim there. So I have to wonder there,
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there are cases that we know that never make it
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to trial or never make it to the point of
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arresting someone simply because they don't have a body. They
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can't prove that, that a homicide even took place. Like
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we don't, we don't even have a large amount of
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Kyle's blood somewhere.
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So this pizza shop did have a place where people
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could eat inside. And then, uh, I believe they had
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a patio as well. And I want to say something
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and I'm not trying to be funny. I'm, I know
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this is going to sound like a funny story, but
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I went to a Subway. This was a couple months ago.
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And it was roughly around closing time. And I went
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in there. There's nobody in the shop. There's no line.
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The guy asked me what I want. I start placing
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my order. I have more than one sub that he
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has to make. His level of irritation went from zero
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to ten very quickly. I wasn't like joking around with him.
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I was just, he asked me what I wanted. I
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told him what I wanted. By the time he is
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like rolling up my subs and putting them in the bag,
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he asked, and I think he asked just by reflex, Hey,
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is there anything else you want? And then he kind
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of looked at me funny as if like, I don't
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know why I just asked you that because I don't
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want to get you anything else. Hmm. And it was
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just this very strange interaction where I actually wanted some cookies.
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If I go to Subway, I get my three cookies.
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I didn't order the cookies because that's how irritated the
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guy seemed. And it seemed as, like I said, once
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I placed my order and then I placed the second order,
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every time I'm placing... another item to the list, the
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more annoyed he got to the point, like I said,
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and I'm a, I'm a pretty big dude. I was literally,
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literally concerned that if I would have ordered something else,
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that there might be a confrontation. And I know that
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sounds very strange, but that's how I felt.
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No, I think that plays here. So I, The reason
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why I think that plays here is remember we said
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in part one that the reports are that Kyle's device
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called a business that he was at earlier. And we
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found it to be very strange that they tell us
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all the other persons and places that he calls, but
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they leave that one out. Now, there is a report
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out there of the private investigator hired by the family
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that And I don't know if that report is meant
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to say that the private investigator believes or it is
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fact that Kyle called the Buckhead Saloon after he had
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left the Buckhead Saloon. Now, what I can say is
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the private investigator would know, right? They have the call records.
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So under that part, here's how this theory goes, that
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Kyle did call the Buckhead Saloon after leaving, which would
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stand to make some sense seeing how he discovered that he,
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this would be after, if he stopped at the pizza place,
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this is after that. So like you pointed out, this
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is when he's like, oh, realizing I left my debit card. Oh,
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I probably left my, oh, I did leave my jacket too.
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I'm going to give him a quick call because I'm
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going to head back there and pick up my stuff.
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It's around closing time. The reason why your story plays
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here is there are some people that believe that there's
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a chance that he made it back to that bar.
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Right.
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And that something went down. Now, could he have bumped
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into some people that he got into an altercation with
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before that we do know about? Or some people that
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he- gave a nasty look to before earlier that night
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that we don't know about along the way, that's a possibility.
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Could he have showed up at the bar, banged on
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the door and demanded to come in and get his
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belongings and they, they turned him away and something happened there.
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There are people online that have, have stated that they've
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been at that bar and something goes down between them
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and a bouncer or two. And they, I don't want
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to get into the details of those because I don't know,
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I don't know who these people are that are reporting
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this online. And if, if their stories are true, but
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in its simplest form, the way that these people have
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reported this is, uh, you know, I, I damn near
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got knocked unconscious by a, a bouncer there. And when
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I called the police, all of a sudden, the person that,
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that beat me up is no longer there. And the
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other bouncers are, yeah, we don't know who that was.
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Right.
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Turning, turning it from a situation where here's a person
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that we know is responsible for assaulting me, but the
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other bouncers can have his back and say, yeah, that
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was some random guy that was in here earlier. And
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he took off after he beat up this poor guy.
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And also my problem with this is we have him
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on footage at the bar on footage, leaving the bar.
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Why don't we have some footage of him going back
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to the bar? Cause I'm assuming he would have. went
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back the same way he came.
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of its minty bubbles. Conjuring melt in your mouth. Pure
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bubbly joy. melt into the moment with aero's delicious peppermint
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bubbles aero feel the bubbles melt.
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Lads watching the football like the lords of all creation
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ah that's never a yellow game's gone but who knows
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what the fates have in store for the 5.30 kick-off.
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you can still dance if you want to.
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And I want to, but not until we get through
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some of the details here. So we do know, remember
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we talked about the canine scent tracing team being brought in.
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This would have been days after his disappearance. So we
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00:31:33.930 --> 00:31:37.140
do have to keep that in mind. The basic report
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00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.599
here is that these dogs were deployed. It was two
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bloodhounds that were deployed at separate times. But what's interesting
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about these two dogs deployed at different times, Captain, is
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they both took the same route. So they go to
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the Fuel Pizza, then down 6th Street, down North Brevard Street.
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There's been a lot of discussion about Kyle walking down
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00:32:01.789 --> 00:32:06.180
North David Street. And so the thing is, that seems
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00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:10.210
to be confusing part of the story because that's not
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00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.250
the route that the dogs took. Now, remember the private
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00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:15.750
investigator said that the dogs did take them to the
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00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:19.430
park and then back out of the park. So they
533
00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:21.289
believe that Kyle at some point may have went in
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00:32:21.329 --> 00:32:24.720
there and then left willingly or unwillingly.
535
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.920
Well, law enforcement needs to decide whether these dogs, whether
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they believe what the the dogs are giving them is correct.
537
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.700
But that's the basic route of the dogs. Now, the
538
00:32:36.740 --> 00:32:41.960
dogs do take them to this edge line construction site.
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00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.730
Now today, I believe it's a very large apartment building,
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00:32:48.869 --> 00:32:54.589
but this was being constructed at the time. This construction
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00:32:54.710 --> 00:32:59.289
area is important as well because there are people that
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00:32:59.349 --> 00:33:04.880
believe that he may be buried there. And in one
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00:33:04.900 --> 00:33:09.420
news article, his father says that we believe that he's there.
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That's where we believe that he is.
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00:33:12.619 --> 00:33:15.000
This case is so fascinating to me because there's so
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00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.900
many similarities to the Brian Schaefer case.
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00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.309
The reports are that they have asked if they could
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00:33:21.369 --> 00:33:24.849
search and the property owners had said, under no circumstances
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will you be searching our property.
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00:33:26.990 --> 00:33:28.349
Well, I don't like that at all.
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00:33:28.509 --> 00:33:31.160
If he's under the building, It may be way too
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00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.259
late for any of that anyway.
553
00:33:33.339 --> 00:33:34.380
Yeah, it's fucked up.
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00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:38.869
But that's what the dog information is telling us per
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00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:43.690
the private investigator and per some of the words that
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00:33:44.069 --> 00:33:49.630
his father, Dick Fleischman, has said to some different news outlets.
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00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:53.180
But it doesn't have to mean that something happened by
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somebody at the Fuel Pizza. Because his father also says
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some other interesting things. And I know I'm putting a
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00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.220
lot of weight into what is, at the end of
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the day, pure speculation. But again, his father knows him
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better than any of us do.
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Yeah.
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And has been privy to certain bits of information that
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we don't have any knowledge of. That would be the
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investigation uncovered by the private investigator and some of the
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communications from the police department. And one statement that I
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found really curious about from Dick Fleischman is him saying
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that I don't think my son knew how late it was.
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And what he meant by that is that he didn't
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get up. He, he questions, did his son get up
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from the bar and leave because he was hungry to
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go down and grab a couple slices and come back
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that he didn't accidentally leave his debit card in his
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jacket that he intended to come back and retrieve them.
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He just didn't realize it was so close to closing time.
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Which would make some sense because he's also calling people
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very late at night. But if he thought it was
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a couple hours earlier, then it's not that late. But
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you got to applaud his father and his family.
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I mean.
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Oh, they've pulled out all the stops. They've done everything
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00:35:13.510 --> 00:35:16.150
they possibly could to try to find him. The private
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00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:22.159
investigator we do know collected Kyle's jacket and. debit card
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00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:25.579
from the bar, uh, and, and did talk with everybody
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00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.139
at the bar. He said that everybody seemed cooperative. I
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00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.309
want to give a, well, I was going to say,
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I want to give a shout out, but I failed
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to collect this person's name.
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00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:40.389
So let's give a shout out week in a row fired.
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00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:42.449
Let's give a shout out to the ghost writer.
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00:35:42.590 --> 00:35:42.849
Okay.
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00:35:42.889 --> 00:35:44.780
So I pulled this off of Reddit.
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Yes.
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This individual has a very interesting in-depth story. write up
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00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:55.139
on Kyle's disappearance. And this person says that they spoke.
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00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.920
So here, straight from their post, I recently spoke to
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the general manager of the Buckhead Saloon, the general manager
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00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.909
during the time of Kyle's disappearance. This poster says that
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the general manager said that People came by Buckhead Saloon
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on the day following Kyle's disappearance. He believes that it
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00:36:14.969 --> 00:36:18.480
was Kyle's sister who first came by, but was not certain. Remember,
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00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.179
I was wondering if we know that Kyle's sister lives
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00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:24.599
in this area or lived in this area at some point.
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00:36:25.340 --> 00:36:27.360
I wondered if she lived in the area when he
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00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:30.360
went missing. So it would stand to reason that she
607
00:36:30.449 --> 00:36:33.630
would be the first one if she's closest in proximity. Yeah,
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00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:35.849
I know that place. I've been there a bunch of times.
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00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:41.239
So upon realizing that Kyle is missing, according to this report,
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00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.920
the general manager pulled video footage from the prior evening.
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In this footage, he remembers seeing Kyle leaving the saloon
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and dancing on the dance floor earlier that evening. The
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00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.000
general manager said he was working that night but had
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no interaction with Kyle. I asked the general manager what
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his reaction was when he initially saw the footage of
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Kyle exiting the saloon. He said he initially noted Kyle
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00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:10.070
was alone, appeared to be intoxicated, and that Kyle seemed
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00:37:10.130 --> 00:37:14.380
confused or as if he was looking for someone. The
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00:37:14.409 --> 00:37:17.500
general manager of the saloon was friends with upper management
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00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.059
at the Holiday Inn located at Charlotte City Center. So
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this is 230 North College Street. This person is saying
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that the general manager told them that he went down
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to that Holiday Inn and asked them to pull their
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00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:37.010
video footage as well. Because, and he says that the
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00:37:37.050 --> 00:37:41.900
general manager says that he remembers them as willing to
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00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.599
show them their security footage, but must not have seen
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00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.360
anything on it. So the reason why we're going to
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00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:53.019
this from this poster here, what somebody posts on Reddit
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00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.909
is is they're talking about that somebody is speculating, is
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00:37:58.929 --> 00:38:00.780
there a chance that Kyle may have gone to an
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00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:04.250
after party at the Holiday Inn that is right by
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00:38:04.289 --> 00:38:07.949
the saloon? The people that work there say that it's regular.
633
00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:13.190
It's not uncommon for people that even live just out
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of the metropolitan area to book a room for the
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00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:21.309
night after partying uptown for the whole night because they
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00:38:21.329 --> 00:38:22.690
don't want to have to drive. They don't have to
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00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:26.460
drink and drive. So there is a lot of speculation
638
00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:29.409
here that none of his friends are saying that they
639
00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:32.429
were aware of him attempting to go to an after party,
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00:38:32.469 --> 00:38:36.119
but we don't know what transpired 100% after the friends leave.
641
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:41.079
One thing I do find fascinating about this case as
642
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.159
well is this is not a case where I have
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00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.380
any suspicions of the people that were with him and
644
00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:48.010
hanging out that night, his friends.
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00:38:48.389 --> 00:38:49.730
Old Clint Flores.
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00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:52.769
Because normally we would, right? Captain would be like, well, what,
647
00:38:53.230 --> 00:38:53.909
are we sure?
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00:38:53.929 --> 00:38:54.010
Yeah.
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00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.199
That so-and-so's story is correct? Are we sure that this
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00:38:58.260 --> 00:39:00.179
person is saying everything that they know?
651
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.670
Yeah, question why the friend won't take a polygraph test,
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00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:04.889
you son of a bitch.
653
00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:08.530
Talk about the Tyler Davis case, right? Missing in Columbus.
654
00:39:09.409 --> 00:39:14.099
There's a lot of speculation about his wife, his friend.
655
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.719
Yeah, if she's telling the truth.
656
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:17.840
Or if he's telling the truth. People that were with
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00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.920
him that night. In this situation, when I hear me
658
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.250
and my wife left and returned to our home, Me
659
00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:26.539
and my girlfriend left and we returned to our home.
660
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.849
And we know that they're not seen on the surveillance footage.
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00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.239
with him when Kyle's leaving. That to me seems to
662
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.840
tell me that those people are out.
663
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.469
But you still shouldn't leave your friend somewhere drunk by himself.
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00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:43.909
And I believe there's a Facebook page for Kyle's case,
665
00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:47.380
trying to help find information that was set up almost immediately.
666
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.159
And this was set up by one of his friends
667
00:39:49.659 --> 00:39:51.099
that was there that night with him.
668
00:39:51.260 --> 00:39:54.860
Well, again, we have the surveillance footage of people leaving.
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00:39:55.460 --> 00:39:58.940
So if somebody came back, you'd think law enforcement would go, well,
670
00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:02.320
that's fishy. Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
671
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.159
But again, you just don't know how, and it's just
672
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.500
such a shame that law enforcement doesn't take these serious
673
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:16.090
right away. Because most of these people that are reported
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00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.090
missing within 24 hours, they're getting calls and getting confirmation
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00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:21.829
that the person's not missing anymore.
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00:40:21.889 --> 00:40:28.969
I also wonder if and potentially how much information has
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been held back from the public.
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00:40:30.949 --> 00:40:31.170
Right.
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00:40:31.670 --> 00:40:34.829
Are there things that I hope... I hope that there
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00:40:34.849 --> 00:40:37.449
are things that the investigators know that we just simply
681
00:40:37.489 --> 00:40:40.230
don't know, because as you can tell, as your ear
682
00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:44.429
balls are telling you 10, 15 times throughout this, these
683
00:40:44.469 --> 00:40:47.969
two podcasts, there's a lot of question marks here. There's
684
00:40:48.010 --> 00:40:50.190
a lot that the Colonel and the captain just don't
685
00:40:50.230 --> 00:40:50.809
know in this.
686
00:40:50.710 --> 00:40:52.809
Case, dumb fucking idiots.
687
00:40:53.230 --> 00:40:56.210
Because there's a lot of question marks here. Now to,
688
00:40:56.289 --> 00:41:01.590
to add a little more color to what's going on here,
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00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:06.530
that holiday in, While that's just pure speculation, we should
690
00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:10.730
point out that it is very nearby Fuel Pizza. So
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00:41:10.849 --> 00:41:13.190
if the camera footage is telling us that he's walking
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00:41:13.230 --> 00:41:15.610
in the direction of Fuel Pizza, it also means that
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00:41:15.650 --> 00:41:17.659
he's walking in the direction of the Holiday Inn.
694
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.460
Well, with a lot of these missing person cases, we
695
00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:25.980
have to figure out when was the last time that
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00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.610
anybody saw him. And so... A lot of people just assume, well,
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00:41:30.670 --> 00:41:32.610
it's that night, but not in this case.
698
00:41:32.730 --> 00:41:35.230
No, because this one's weird. We get a taxi driver
699
00:41:35.289 --> 00:41:38.389
that claims to, we should be clear here on this
700
00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:41.679
because you see some of these reports and the reports
701
00:41:41.739 --> 00:41:44.780
are that the taxi driver claims to have seen Kyle
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00:41:44.860 --> 00:41:49.320
walking down North Davidson Street by himself. And this could be,
703
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.380
what is unclear to me, Captain, is the report says
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four days later. Well, does that mean that the taxi
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00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.030
driver reported it four days later or that he saw
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Kyle four days later.
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00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:01.110
Right.
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00:42:01.329 --> 00:42:03.510
Now you do a little more digging. And the first
709
00:42:03.550 --> 00:42:06.409
thing that you find out right away is regardless of
710
00:42:07.090 --> 00:42:11.960
when he spotted Kyle, you quickly realize this taxi driver
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00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:17.280
never says, I saw Kyle Fleischman on North Davidson street
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walking by himself. He says, I saw someone that is,
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00:42:21.860 --> 00:42:26.289
that looked to be like, or possibly could have been
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00:42:26.710 --> 00:42:27.489
Kyle Fleischman.
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00:42:28.010 --> 00:42:31.480
Right, because we're assuming that this taxi driver doesn't know
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him personally.
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00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:38.019
Correct. And so the taxi driver's statement is, I can't
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00:42:38.059 --> 00:42:39.880
say it was Kyle, but I can't rule out that
719
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.179
it wasn't Kyle. The person looked a lot like Kyle. Now,
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00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.329
the private investigator adds a little, his opinion to this,
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saying that he thinks it's highly doubtful that it was Kyle.
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00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:55.780
He doesn't doubt that the taxi driver saw someone. just
723
00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:58.949
does not believe that it is Kyle. And then we
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00:42:58.969 --> 00:43:06.150
get this strange statement from a resident who lived nearby. Okay.
725
00:43:06.230 --> 00:43:09.550
So going by the name of Mary and she was,
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00:43:09.789 --> 00:43:15.389
this person was interviewed on camera at one point, not
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showing her face. They interviewed her. You know how sometimes
728
00:43:19.849 --> 00:43:22.349
to keep a person anonymous, you might just get a
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00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:26.550
camera view of them from the waist down or Just from,
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or from the back.
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Yeah. Or they just show us their butt.
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00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:33.059
She was interviewed so you could hear her words and
733
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.920
know that it was her talking, but her face was
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00:43:35.980 --> 00:43:40.139
not shown on camera. So this person that they are
735
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.900
calling Mary could be her real name. I don't know.
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00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.460
I don't think it was. She's a resident, lives nearby.
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00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.349
She reports of suspicious, what she calls suspicious activity at
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00:43:52.610 --> 00:43:56.539
the Edgeline construction site. saying that she lived by the
739
00:43:56.659 --> 00:44:00.219
Edgeline Flats construction site. This is the place where some
740
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.570
people speculate that Kyle may be buried under. And years back,
741
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:11.610
WBTV Channel 3 interviewed this individual. The key here, Captain,
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00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:15.369
is a couple of bits of information. She submitted a
743
00:44:15.409 --> 00:44:19.989
tip to the police department stating that there was a
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00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:24.030
sudden foul odor at the construction site beside her home.
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00:44:25.429 --> 00:44:28.039
And that she had witnessed two men and a red
746
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:30.980
truck at this construction site in the middle of the night.
747
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.360
This all seems very suspicious. It seems to go along
748
00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:37.980
with what the dogs, some of the information we get
749
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.059
from the dogs. It seems to go along with a
750
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.139
lot of the speculation from the family and the private investigator.
751
00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:48.090
Where this story takes a bit of a twist, where
752
00:44:48.130 --> 00:44:51.269
it seems maybe not everything is on the up and up.
753
00:44:51.670 --> 00:44:53.389
Part of the story is Mary says, I got off
754
00:44:53.429 --> 00:44:56.599
work at 11 p.m. that night and It was regular
755
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.460
for me to go sit on my front porch when
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00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.639
it was nice outside. Everybody has a different description of
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00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:03.860
the weather and what is nice and what is not nice.
758
00:45:03.909 --> 00:45:06.630
But as we stated earlier, it's reported that it was,
759
00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:11.889
would have been about 30 degrees, maybe 32 degrees at
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00:45:11.929 --> 00:45:14.690
the time that Kyle was last seen. I like the cold,
761
00:45:15.050 --> 00:45:18.690
but I would, I would wager that most people wouldn't
762
00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:21.530
call that nice out that night. You know, that it
763
00:45:21.570 --> 00:45:23.059
was a nice night out that night. So I went
764
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.590
and sat on the front porch. Anyway, her statement is
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00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:27.639
she remembers seeing a red truck and two men at
766
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.639
the construction site around 3 a.m., so this is in
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00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.500
that very critical window of time that we're concerned about.
768
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.380
She believes that the two men were either younger or middle-aged.
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00:45:38.380 --> 00:45:41.769
The men were both Caucasian. She said that the men
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00:45:41.789 --> 00:45:44.429
were talking for a long time, standing behind the truck.
771
00:45:45.190 --> 00:45:48.829
She never says to have seen Kyle or somebody that
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00:45:49.030 --> 00:45:52.389
looked to be like Kyle, just that there was this
773
00:45:53.389 --> 00:45:57.510
foul odor that came from the construction site and that
774
00:45:57.570 --> 00:46:01.739
she saw these two individuals that she cannot identify and
775
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:02.760
this red truck.
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00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:06.500
If I'm law enforcement, I'm first looking at the individuals
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00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:09.599
he had a confrontation with and going, does any of
778
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:13.539
those guys own a red truck? Do anybody they know
779
00:46:13.659 --> 00:46:15.659
own a red truck that they could have borrowed the truck?
780
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.300
Does anybody that worked at the pizza shop, do they
781
00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:20.059
own a red truck?
782
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:21.239
Right.
783
00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:24.599
But it's just tough because you'd like to say that
784
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.119
the police did all they could in this case, but
785
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:28.219
I don't think they did.
786
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:32.409
Well, if they did, they were late to getting to it.
787
00:46:32.969 --> 00:46:36.150
Or if they did, they are not sharing that information
788
00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:36.550
with us.
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00:46:37.010 --> 00:46:39.769
So she says that this was of note to her.
790
00:46:39.809 --> 00:46:39.909
So.
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00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:45.130
Kudos to his family for spreading the word and conducting
792
00:46:45.210 --> 00:46:48.409
searches in this area because that's how she becomes aware, right?
793
00:46:48.449 --> 00:46:50.699
That's how everybody becomes aware that there, hey, there's a
794
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.880
missing adult male that was last seen in this area.
795
00:46:56.900 --> 00:46:59.940
And she says that this, her seeing these two guys
796
00:47:00.019 --> 00:47:03.550
in the red truck seemed of importance to her to
797
00:47:03.570 --> 00:47:05.710
the point of reporting it, not just because of that
798
00:47:05.769 --> 00:47:09.309
foul odor, but more important, but she also says because
799
00:47:10.769 --> 00:47:12.989
She had been out on her front porch many nights
800
00:47:13.170 --> 00:47:17.719
during the construction process, and she never remembers ever seeing
801
00:47:17.860 --> 00:47:21.340
anybody out there at that time of night prior to
802
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.969
or after. So we said all that. I've been honking
803
00:47:26.030 --> 00:47:27.010
for too long.
804
00:47:26.789 --> 00:47:28.469
Here, Captain. Honk, honk, honk.
805
00:47:28.630 --> 00:47:31.809
We've gone round and round with a lot of speculation.
806
00:47:31.969 --> 00:47:35.929
As we said at the very start of episode one
807
00:47:35.949 --> 00:47:40.119
of this case, that everything's in question. Our mystery starts
808
00:47:40.179 --> 00:47:46.820
at 2.20 a.m. Do you have anything, Garage Task Force,
809
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.510
gut check, do you have anything that you think, what
810
00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:50.550
do you think happened that night?
811
00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:53.690
I don't know if law enforcement did their due diligence,
812
00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:57.710
but at some point they started investigating this as a
813
00:47:57.730 --> 00:48:01.909
homicide and not a missing person case. So to me,
814
00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:07.369
that's pointing us into the direction that Kyle's not coming home.
815
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.800
But what happened, I couldn't tell you. And it's hard
816
00:48:12.860 --> 00:48:18.900
to dismiss the fact that he had this confrontation. I'd
817
00:48:18.940 --> 00:48:22.570
like to know the whereabouts of these individuals. Were they
818
00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:26.409
able to track these individuals? And again, then we have
819
00:48:26.449 --> 00:48:28.929
all these rumors about the pizza shop. And then right
820
00:48:28.969 --> 00:48:33.989
around the corner is this construction site. And I think
821
00:48:34.030 --> 00:48:37.409
when you have so many rumors, where there's smoke, there's fire.
822
00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:43.210
So some kind of homicide, but I don't think the
823
00:48:43.269 --> 00:48:48.429
motive is clear. This is, this is just a difficult
824
00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:52.630
case to me. It seems like the most likely thing
825
00:48:52.710 --> 00:48:55.389
is that he just ran into the wrong person that night.
826
00:48:56.679 --> 00:49:00.800
And they're just somebody that has no fucks to give.
827
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:03.960
And I'm, I'm right there with you. I think that,
828
00:49:04.489 --> 00:49:07.309
That's probably what happened. I have to go with what
829
00:49:07.429 --> 00:49:10.550
the family is telling us their beliefs are, that he
830
00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:15.809
was killed. And his dad is right in saying that, look,
831
00:49:15.849 --> 00:49:19.809
at some point, the homicide squad is investigating my son's case.
832
00:49:21.650 --> 00:49:25.469
And I think that whatever happened to him, there is
833
00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:29.489
high potential that the person did not intend to kill him.
834
00:49:30.590 --> 00:49:33.980
But without having more information and not being able to
835
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:39.699
locate Kyle, it's too difficult to say But I feel
836
00:49:39.739 --> 00:49:44.639
like unless there's some very random situation where he gets
837
00:49:44.699 --> 00:49:51.219
into a taxi cab and it's Captain Psychopath driving the
838
00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:53.849
vehicle and all of a sudden he's frightened out of
839
00:49:53.869 --> 00:49:58.369
his mind and randomly hitting buttons on his phone or
840
00:49:58.409 --> 00:50:00.989
some guys pull him into a car and start moving him.
841
00:50:01.610 --> 00:50:05.349
I really think that whatever happened to him involves one
842
00:50:05.369 --> 00:50:09.690
of the locations that we talked about at length in
843
00:50:09.730 --> 00:50:13.090
these two episodes, the bar, the pizza place, the park,
844
00:50:13.570 --> 00:50:18.909
or that construction site. It's, there's just too much that
845
00:50:18.949 --> 00:50:22.739
keeps taking us back to those different locations.
846
00:50:23.010 --> 00:50:25.760
Well, I, I agree with you. I think it's somebody, well,
847
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:27.840
I'm going to be a tough guy. I'm going to
848
00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:31.000
be a bully. I'm going to beat this guy up.
849
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:34.300
Here's a, here's an easy victim. I don't think somebody
850
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.199
just saw this random person and just went, That guy,
851
00:50:37.219 --> 00:50:38.139
I'm going to kill him.
852
00:50:38.219 --> 00:50:44.119
Kyle is listed on NamUs. He is missing person 2456.
853
00:50:45.230 --> 00:50:49.130
And there is a description of Kyle along with some
854
00:50:49.190 --> 00:50:54.190
pictures of him. And we should note that according to NamUs,
855
00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:57.880
they have his dental records as well. There is a
856
00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:02.630
Help Find Kyle Fleischman Facebook page. With about 5,000 members,
857
00:51:02.670 --> 00:51:07.030
I believe this number was significantly higher back in 2007
858
00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:10.929
and 8. This was set up by his good friend.
859
00:51:10.989 --> 00:51:14.860
I believe it was his one-time roommate, Dan, that set
860
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:20.119
up the Facebook page and runs that page. I do
861
00:51:20.139 --> 00:51:22.920
want to give a big shout out to the Vanished podcast.
862
00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:26.960
They covered the story in 2021. And there's no shortage
863
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.829
of information out there. or people that have covered this case.
864
00:51:30.909 --> 00:51:35.190
There's a lot of news articles online about Kyle's disappearance
865
00:51:35.269 --> 00:51:37.539
and what may have happened to him. There's no shortage of,
866
00:51:38.139 --> 00:51:43.880
of speculation on Reddit, but big shout out to Marissa Jones,
867
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.070
who does always does gangbusters work on missing persons cases
868
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.829
in their stories from the vanish podcast, because she was
869
00:51:52.949 --> 00:51:58.280
able to interview Kyle's father. his good friend, the private investigator.
870
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.070
And there's information that can be gleaned from their words
871
00:52:03.889 --> 00:52:07.110
that you don't get from these other news articles, that
872
00:52:07.130 --> 00:52:10.429
you don't get from a three or four minute news snippet.
873
00:52:11.949 --> 00:52:16.050
So kudos to her. And really, if you want to learn,
874
00:52:18.110 --> 00:52:23.070
if you want to extend visiting this case, that's the
875
00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:26.280
place that I would point you. And as said, there's
876
00:52:26.300 --> 00:52:29.579
been no shortage of good news articles over the years
877
00:52:29.780 --> 00:52:34.139
as well about this case. We truly wish Kyle's family
878
00:52:34.340 --> 00:52:36.829
the very best of luck in this regard and his
879
00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:41.610
friends who have helped to keep this story alive and
880
00:52:43.170 --> 00:52:46.010
in front of everybody's faces to remind them that this
881
00:52:46.090 --> 00:52:50.389
youngster is still missing and that this case isn't closed.
882
00:52:50.980 --> 00:52:53.679
We hope that law enforcement can get the right tip
883
00:52:53.739 --> 00:52:58.619
that they need. And law enforcement says that if you
884
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.480
have information, this is where they would point you. Remember,
885
00:53:02.500 --> 00:53:06.719
there's still a $ 50, 000 reward for information regarding the whereabouts
886
00:53:06.780 --> 00:53:10.030
of Kyle or what happened to him on that night
887
00:53:10.070 --> 00:53:18.750
in 2007. And law enforcement encourages anyone with information to
888
00:53:18.849 --> 00:53:24.940
call their Crime Stoppers tip line. So submit that information
889
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.940
to 704-334-1600. I want to thank.
890
00:53:41.110 --> 00:53:43.909
You so much for listening to the show and thanks
891
00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:47.250
for telling a friend. Colonel, do we have any recommended reading?
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This week, Captain, we are recommending Prescription for Pain, How
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